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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2006-09-05 Transcription September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page I September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session 5:00 PM Council: UISG: Staff: Bailey, Champion, Correia (5:30), Elliott, O'Donnell, Wilburn, Vanderhoef Baeth Atkins, Boothroy, Dilkes, Franklin, Helling, Hennes, Karr, Robinson, Rocca TAPES: 06-68, Both Sides Plannin!! and Zonin!! Items Wilburn: Franklin: Bai]ey: Franklin: Ok. Let's get going, folks. Karin? a) CONSIDER A MOTION SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR SEPTEMBER 19 ON AN ORDINANCE REZONING 49.05 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED BETWEEN COURT STREET AND LOWER WEST BRANCH ROAD FROM LOW DENSITY SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL (RS-S) TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY - LOW DENSITY SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL (OPDS) (REZ06-00022) Ok. First item on your agenda tonight - just make some room here - is a setting a public hearing for September 19th on an ordinance to rezone 49.05 acres between Court Street and Lower West Branch Road. This is another part of the Stone Bridge Estates. It will be for 139 single-family lots. The reason it is a planned development is to enable variation from the 35% disturbance of critical slopes. That's up for public hearing for September 9th - for September ]9th, sorry. We're meeting then, too? b) AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BY AMENDING THE NEAR SOUTHSIDE DESIGN PLAN TO CONSIDER CENTRAL BUSINESS (CB-10) ZONING SOUTH OF BURLINGTON STREET. Yeah. A meeting you didn't know about. Ok. Item b is a public hearing that you will have tonight on amending the Comprehensive Plan by amending the Near Southside Design Plan to consider central business zoning south of Burlington Street. The Near Southside Design Plan, along with the Near Southside Redevelopment Plan that was done in '92, the Development Plan, '95 was the Design Plan, were incorporated into the City's Comprehensive Plan in 1997. In the Design Plan there was quite specific language regarding zoning in this area and referenced CB-5 as being the appropriate zone. What is being proposed, in order to enable a higher intensity of development between Burlington and Court Streets in the Near Southside, is to indicate in that Plan that either CB-5 or CB-] 0 zoning is appropriate between Burlington and Court Streets, based on the property providing a logical extension of downtown, and adequate services for the density proposed. This would apply across the board in the Near Southside, This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5,2006. September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 2 as it pertains to, between Burlington and Court Streets. Then as you receive rezoning requests, you would look at each one to determine whether you felt it was a logical extension of the downtown and whether adequate services for the density proposed were provided, ok? So that's the general overall policy shift that we're looking at, which then enables you to consider the rezoning for Hieronymus Square at the comer of Clinton and Burlington Streets. That proposal was the impetus for looking at the Near Southside Plan and considering this shift. Elliott: So this doesn't rezone, it just allows consideration of rezoning? Franklin: Correct. Correct. Elliott: Within parameters. Vanderhoef: Which then allows us to, if we do choose to rezone, then we can put conditional zoning onto it. . . Franklin: Yes, yes. Vanderhoef: . . . like we are doing with this one, for parking and such. Franklin: Yes. Absolutely For adequate services, yes. Bailey: And this Planning and Zoning talk about changing the floor area ratio to have some stepdown possibilities as we move on those blocks? Or. I mean, we're not using the maximum anyway in CB-IO. Has that come up for discussion at all? Franklin: Right. Well, the whole discussion was about how much of a stepdown was needed or not. And the conclusion that I would gather from their recommendation on Hieronymus Square is that a stepdown is not necessary, and that's on that site. Now there is another property between this and the Federal Building, which they have not addressed yet. There is a request for rezoning to CB-IO but there was no development plan submitted and so they have suggested that they're not going to look at the rezonings until the development plans are submitted. That doesn't really answer your question, I know, Regenia, but I know they have, they have a lot of discussion about stepdowns, but not Bailey: That, that will be, right, I know, that's what I Franklin: I think if there had been a serious concern about it on this block, then they would not have endorsed the rezoning of this entire piece, because this entire piece for Hieronymus Square is at least two thirds if not three quarters of the west face, or the west side of the block. Bailey: Yeah, and I don't necessarily have that concern with this block either, but. Franklin: But it might be in other places. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5, 2006. ._---",."-~.,-_._--~---~_.---~.,-_..- -_._-_._------------_..~_...-....._.~-----,~---~-_._.".....- .__._--_._--_..._-~--------,-_..__.._---- September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 3 Bailey: Franklin: Bailey: Franklin: Bailey: Franklin: Bailey: Franklin: Bailey: Franklin: Bailey: Franklin: O'Donnell: Bailey: I mean, what's the plan on the south side of this block, or have they thought about it, I guess. Haven't gotten there yet. Huh. Ok. I mean I think what this does is it enables discussion of that issue on a block by block basis, or a parcel by parcel basis, in fact. Right, but is that a good way to do it, I guess is what I'm wondering. I mean, if we think a stepdown is a good idea as we move farther from the central business district, where are we going to start having, I mean, naturally, there are buildings there. Yeah. Like the Federal Building, and then of course around the Court House, and that's a lot of public. And that. I mean, I can give you my view. Can you imagine? Oh, I always love to hear your view. In this particular block, because of what we have in the next block, which is the Federal Building, which is likely to stay there for an indeterminate period of time and not change, that by the very fact of that building, what that building is used for, that for this block, there is an adequate transition between this block and whatever happens in the Near Southside to the south of the Post Office. As you get to the west, which is the block that abuts the Court House, there are expressions of concern that we have received from Pat White, and it has been expressed by others, as to preserving that view of the Court House. The other thing that you have in that block is that on the Burlington Street side, in fact, you are transitioning from a parking ramp and University buildings, so one, I think, could argue, that there is not the logical extension of the downtown there that you have... Right. . . . in this particular block, because of the presence of the University and then the parking ramp, which is kind of dead space. So there's different ways that you can approach each of these blocks. As you then go to the east and look at that block, where we have the Goodyear Building, which is the likely redevelopment parcel, you have Town Center Apartments immediately to the south of there, so I think you would want to respect that building, given that it's relatively new. I mean, it was built in the 90s, I think. Yeah. What building is that? The brick apartment. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription ofthe Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5, 2006. September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 4 Franklin: That's Haywood Belle's building there, the apartments with the commercial underneath. O'Donnell: Right. Franklin: And then of course there's St. Pat's, which we're gonna have changes there to look at. So there's a lot of issues there to think about in terms oftransitioning. Vanderhoef: But we've got the big tall building across the street. Bailey: Yeah, we've got Franklin: Capitol House. . Bailey: Yeah. Vanderhoef: Well, the old, a Bailey: Qwest? Is it now Qwest Building? Franklin: Oh, Qwest, yes. Vanderhoef: Which is very large. Franklin: Yes. Champion: And very ugly. Franklin: Thank you, Connie. Champion: It's not cute. Franklin: No, it's not a cute little building. Bailey: So at this time it doesn't seem, the Planning and Zoning Commission doesn't feel there's the need to codify some kind of stepdown policy, that we'll do it on a case by case, and they feel confident that that will result in something that's coherent and appropriate? Champion: I think you've got some automatic stepdowns. Bailey: Yeah, we do, but, I mean. Vanderhoef: And it's going to be mixed. Bailey: But buildings aren't forever, and Franklin: Yeah, yeah. I don't, I would not feel comfortable making that statement, Regenia, for the Planning and Zoning Commission. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5,2006. September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 5 Bailey: Franklin: Bailey: Franklin: Wilburn: Bailey: Eastham: Bailey: Eastham: Bailey: Eastham: Bailey: Eastham: Franklin: Bailey: Franklin: Bailey: Ok. Would anybody? Well, I'm looking to see if there's somebody. Charlie's here - Charlie. Charlie! Would you like to address her? Well, he's not running away, so. But he did sit quietly until she noticed him. I'm Charlie Eastham, a member of the Plarming and Zoning Commission. If Karin's not comfortable with making that statement, I'm not so sure that I'm going to be comfortable making it either. I'm sure the Commission would be happy to meet with the Council if this is something you want us to consider. I was just curious about the direction that the Commission was going with stepdown and codifying it and sort of vision for this as we develop and redevelop south of Burlington. I mean, as Karin pointed out, there are limited properties for redevelopment, but it's going to happen. Well, again, I mean, I'd ask you to look at the minutes of the meetings. I have. And if you'd like to discuss it, I certainly am not going to, I don't think it's appropriate for me to talk for the Commission as the whole. Ok. Well, perhaps we could chat with the Commission at some point. Sure. I would agree. I guess I would conclude from that that the Commission hasn't directly addressed it. Yes. Well, that's what I concluded from their minutes. Ijust wondered if, if you had heard that that was on their. Well, one of the things that everybody should be aware of is that as a result of this project, and as we look at the potential for other larger buildings in the downtown, that we will be looking at the CB- I 0 zone. It is not built to its maximum capacity now. I think there's questions as to whether we want it to be. We need to talk about what it is we want downtown to be like now that the market is such that it appears that there's going to be a demand for higher rise development, and that there may be some modifications to the CB-IO zone that we want to talk about. Ok. Thanks. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5,2006. September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 6 Elliott: Bailey: Elliott: Bailey: O'Donnell: Bailey: Franklin: Elliott: Bailey: I understand the concerns, but I really appreciate leaving the flexibility there. I think too often we, we put something is as a guideline and pretty soon it becomes a blueprint and we have no latitude to change. But I think it, it does give direction to developers in the area. Direction I like, blueprints I don't. Well, flexibility isn't direction, it's like, bring us your plan and we'll see what we can do for ya. I don't know if that's. Certainly not the way I want to head. Yeah. That's not. Shall we go onto the zoning item itself? Shall we. Certainly. c) CONDITIONAllY REZONING 1.12 ACRES OF PROPERTY lOCATED AT 314 & 328 S. SOUTH CLINTON STREET FROM CENTRAL BUSINESS SUPPORT (CB-S) ZONE TO CENTRAL BUSINESS (CB-10) ZONE. (REZ06-0001S) Franklin: The next item is also a public hearing that you will have on the rezoning of the property in question. That is the Hieronmyus Square project on the corner of Clinton and Burlington from CB-5 to CB-lO, and the Planning and Zoning Commission has recommended approval of this with a conditional zoning agreement. There's the location for anybody that doesn't know where it is. The cross-hatched is the location of the project. This is a conceptual view of the project as you would see it on the corner of Clinton and Washington. Elliott: Looking west, on Burlington? Franklin: Looking down the street. You are looking sputh and southeast. Bailey: South. On Clinton. Elliott: On Clinton. Oh, I see. I see. Vanderhoef: Clinton. d) VACATING THE EASTIWEST AllEY IN BLOCK 102. (VAC06- OOOOS) This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5,2006. September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 7 Franklin: You're standing on the comer of Old Capitol Town Center, ok, by the bank? This is a schematic view from the Clinton elevation, and remember that at this point we're talking about concepts. We're not talking about refined architectural drawings. A lot of that will be worked through as we proceed to the building permit stage on a project this large. This is to give you an idea of a birds-eye view for the first story, and the developers will be giving a presentation during the formal meeting on this. But I show you this so you can see for item d the location of the vacation of the alley. Currently, this is a, or actually down here, is a public alley which has been there for some time. And the request is to vacate that portion of the alley so we can scootch it to the north. This would then become a new public alley that would enable vehicular access off of Clinton Street into the development, into a drop-off loading area. Also access to underground parking, and then egress onto Court Street. Ok? Everybody get that concept? Vanderhoef: Wait. Franklin: Now this is just showing you the first floor. Vanderhoef: The north is? Franklin: North is to the left. This is Clinton Street, this is Burlington Street over here. Bailey: Further over on the left. Vanderhoef: That's the south. Franklin: This is Burlington. This is, north is, to your left. Bailey: Drive along Clinton Street. Franklin: Clinton Street is here. Bailey: Take a left, and you're in the alley. Franklin: And then Burlington Street's here. This is where the big circle is. Let me go back. Ok? The upper floors will go over this, so this is not a break in the building all the way up. But the developers will explain the full architecture. ljust want to make sure that you all understand the provisions of the conditional zoning agreement. Vanderhoef: I have - I've got something I want to ask about the agreement whenever you're ready for that. Franklin: Ok. Let me run through these and then if there's anything that you all want to bring up, we can add that. Conditions are in your packet. The first one to note is that there is a minimum of one floor of commercial development above the ground floor, and that is, that is consistent - I'm sorry, that is in addition to what would be required normally. A maximum of 200 dwelling units. Now that's a maximum. Many of these other things are going to be a minimum. Dwelling This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5,2006. September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 8 Bailey: Champion: Elliott: Franklin: Elliott: Franklin: Elliott: Franklin: units, the residential mix, would be of one, two and three bedroom apartments as opposed to four and fives. No more than 30% of the dwelling units contain three bedrooms. A minimum of eighty parking spaces would be provided subterranean. That will require Board of Adjuslment action, to have any parking on this piece if it's zoned CB-IO. There maybe more parking spaces. The minimum is to enable some flexibility to the developers, since physically it's difficult to tell exactly how many might fit there with these supporting colunms for the building. Because this is in Parking Facility Impact Fee District, and recall that the Parking Facility Impact Fee District is a geographical area, it is south of Burlington Street, west of Gilbert Street, north of the railroad tracks, and east of Madison. The reason that it is in that geographical area is because that is the area in which we felt, at the time that it was adopted back in the '90s, that we had opportunities to build additional parking structures, and therefore that any residential development that occurred in that area would contribute toward the cost of that structure through a formula that's outlined in the Code. So, regardless of the zoning in the near, in the Parking Facility Impact Fee District which is coincident with the Near Southside, if a development has residential component to it, it must pay into the Parking Facility Impact Fee fund. The difficulty that came up with this project was that in CB-lO there's typically no parking requirement. So, what the Planning and Zoning Commission resolved to do was to use the CB-5 parking requirement and indicate that the Parking Facility Impact Fee would be equivalent to the number of spaces that were required but could not be provided on site. So say there's 120 spaces that are required and only 80 spaces are provided on site, that means that 40 spaces or there equivalent in cost would be provided, a fee would be paid in lieu of. Ok? Everybody get that one? Mmm hmm. Yup. Now does that mean that there is parking not available, or that the, the developer is not providing that parking? Because there's parking available right across the street. It means the developer is not providing it on site. Ok. It treats each project with an obligation that they either meet through providing it on site or by paying fees in lieu of. So the fact that there is public parking adjacent or nearby is irrelevant. Ok. Right. Because the public parking is what is supported by the Parking Facility Impact Fee that enables us to build more spaces that then, yeah. The building would be a minimum of seven storys in height, and this is because if it is not at least that high, then it would only be as high as what you would have in CB-5, so why go through the whole rezoning? Setback a minimum of 10 feet from Burlington Street right of way, which is a requirement ofthe Code, but in this case, that 10 foot setback would apply to the upper floors as well as to the street This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription ofthe Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5, 2006. September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 9 level floor. And this is one of those pieces that we may be looking at in terms of a modification to the CB-l 0 zone as a whole. And the reason is so that you get sufficient setback to have adequate sidewalks on Burlington Street that you can still have street trees there and you've got enough room. Also, to try to not have the sort of structures that we've gotten with just a 10 foot setback at the street level, where you have the building overhang in this kind of arcade notion that really backs the retail away from the pedestrian way, such that it doesn't make for very successful retail. And the whole idea here is that we have successful, commercial retail streetscape that is accessible easily for pedestrians. Then we have a requirement to dedicate the alley right of way that will take the place of the one being vacated, and that the property would include this landscaped courtyard, which is what I was, is this little circle thing that I was showing you before. The design of the development would come through the Design Review Committee. There's been a lot of discussion already with the developers about the design. One of the pieces that still needs to be resolved is how we, how we have this street level designed in such a way that it is not just a glass wall. And so we're working with them on that. It would not require that that all be all resolved before it goes through the zoning, but that we will work through that at an administrative level before the building permit is issued. And we're making progress on that. Ok - Dee? Vanderhoef: I came up with a thought that I think would be beneficial to all of downtown and potentially beneficial to the developer. We know that we have been talking about Burlington Street and the barrier for pedestrian traffic getting across that street. We're doing what we can do, but it still is not necessarily taking care of everything. I would like to see a provision for a skywalk two places, actually. One from the Transit Center into the Hieronymus Building, and another one that would go north across Burlington to a new building that has been announced but has not come into the City, so that we could have a ground level elevator system that would take people up to a skywalk and get them across Burlington Street, which I think also would create a lot more traffic and interest in that second floor commercial. So, it's one of the things that has helped in many buildings in cities. It is something that I think our locals would embrace rather than trying to get out there, and certainly we're bringing more people into that transit center that are trying to get to campus, to the Old Capitol Center, where more and more offices are being placed. And we've got a lot of people that we're moving, and we might encourage a lot more transit use if they had the option of driving to the transit center and getting to their location. Therefore we'd keep our parking open closer to the downtown pedestrian area. Franklin: There is a connection, a pedestrian connection, between the Court Street Transportation Center and this building. They will be connected. When we built that building it was built as a catalyst to development of this area, and so there are provisions for connections in place. Vanderhoef: That will be good. Let's just get one more and take it across Burlington Street. Champion: I think it sounds like a good idea, Dee, but I don't know if it's really necessary. I'm just thinking about, I'm trying to think about anywhere else I've seen skywalks. Cedar Rapids and Des Moines. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5, 2006. September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 10 Bailey: Des Moines. Champion: That might be it. I mean, people in New York City and Chicago seem to be, have no trouble crossing very, very busy streets. And a lot wider. I don't, what is it? That we have to park in front of a building that we're going to and we can't cross streets in Iowa City? I don't know. I think it's not necessary. O'Donnell: Well, plus you have to enter the building, be on the 2nd or 3'd floor before you go across. And I really, I agree with Connie. There's stop lights and there's going to be medians, and they're going to have a barricade in the center of Burlington Street, so I just see that as an additional cost to the developer. Vanderhoef: No. I would say that this is a cost of the City, that just having the design, and it's one of those things that could be done with some of our TIP dollars for infrastructure that needed to support the downtown activities and be a welcome idea for a lot of the businesses that are over on Washington and Clinton and on over on Iowa. O'Donnell: I don't see how that would do it, but. Wilburn: Any other comments on that or? Bailey: Well, and Ijust wonder, I don't know, because I'm thinking of Cedar Rapids and Des Moines as well, and I just wonder the impact that skywalks have on street life and I think because we're talking about Burlington at the same time, I think it's contingent upon us to make sure that it's not a barrier but an invitation to cross, so, I think we have to pay a lot of attention to that design. And it also seems to me that that would be not very high up if it were second floor. I don't know how high up that be but it just seems very, very. Vanderhoef: It may not be second floor. I don't know. Bailey: Well. O'Donnell: On the fifth floor you'd have Franklin: You have to have a certain clearance, below Vanderhoef: Yeah. (can't hear - all talk) Bailey: Minimally, if we only have, I mean if we have retail, commercial, and then another floor of retail commercial that's required, the second floor would be the natural place. If the above is residential you wouldn't want it going there, so I don't know, I mean. Wilburn: We have some existing skywalks here. They're pretty unique to the, the Biology Building, the Senior Center. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription ofthe Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5, 2006. September 5,2006 City Council Work Session Page 11 Vanderhoef: Hospital. Bailey: Yeah, I think I'm with Connie. I think we just have to figure out a way to get people crossing that street. Wilburn: And, I'm sorry for interrupting Regenia, just to finish my thought, I, that it's not something I'd really considered for this Burlington. I'd have to give it some thought as to whether or not I - Vanderhoef: I hadn't considered it until yesterday until I was reading and trying to vision what, what we could look at as the possibility. So I'm putting it out as a possibility. Bailey: Well, and if we pursue that idea that you presented about Highway I, that could change a little bit of the traffic on Burlington. Vanderhoef: That could help. Bailey: And I think that would be an approach that interests me a little bit more. Vanderhoef: Mmm hmm. That's fine. Wilburn: What's going on Karin? Franklin: I think. Elliott: I just, one, differing from that, I think it's important when we talk about this project that it is, that we make it clear that it is still in the potential stage. That there are many things yet to be discussed and determined and finalized. e) REZONING APPROXIMATELY 9.53 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED EAST OF GILBERT STREET AND WEST OF SANDUSKY DRIVE FROM INTERIM DEVELOPMENT- RESIDENTIAUHISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY (ID-RS/OHD) ZONE TO LOW DENSITY SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAUHISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY (RS-5/0HD), (REZ06-00010) Franklin: To be worked out. Mmm hmm. Ok. Item d is vacation of the east-west alley that I spoke about in block 102, so that b, c and d are all related. Item e is a rezoning of9.53 acres called the McCollister subdivision. This is on South Gilbert, Sand Road. This is a project that you have seen before with a, urn, it's where the old farmstead is. And this request is to just divide this property into two lots. I know that's kind of a murky drawing, because it's got so much on it, but essentially what's being retained is the existing house and the lot line. Let's see. I don't have it. Ok. The lot line is kind of down here, so this area over here and this leg would be in one lot, and then the existing house and the remainder of the property would be in another lot with this road being the access to this lot two. At this point there are no particular building plans that we have seen, but it would have This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5,2006. September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 12 Correia: Franklin: Correia: Franklin: Dilkes: Franklin: Correia: Franklin: Elliott: Franklin: Bailey: Franklin: Bailey: Franklin: Correia: Franklin: to be subdivided further to be anything other than a single family house. It's recommended for approval by the Planning and Zoning Commission by a vote of 7 to O. Karin, was this the one that had been, they had come in and had it platted for more than two, it would be Yeah. It was platted for eight, then withdrawn. Ok. So this is. f) CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING FINAL PLAT OF SILVERCREST RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY - PART 3, IOWA CITY, IOWA. (SUB06.00010) Item f is a resolution approving the final plat of Silvercrest Residential Community. This is 7 lot, ]2.]7 acre development on the - oops! - east side of Iowa City at Scott and American Legion Road. It's, essentially what it involves is platting out the lots a little bit differently to enable the construction of the buildings that I, if you remember seeing, it's two large buildings that are gonna be connected. They wanted to have a theater and common dining area and it came before you as a planned development. I don't know that the legal papers are finished on this. The applicants requested deferral until the] 9th. Ok. And this is the assisted living, or retirement? Urn, yes. Y es. Yeah, I think this is assisted, in this part. Deferred until when, ] 9th? Yeah. Oh, I have a question. I'm sorry, I didn't see this note here. On e ] think something I read in the packet said something about sensitive area issues had not been resolved? Are those resolved and? Yes. They are. Ok. Urn, item g. Sorry, I still have a question about this, this is from before. You asked, yes. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5,2006. September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 13 Correia: Franklin: Correia: Franklin: Correia: Franklin: Franklin: Elliott: Franklin: Is this, it's assisted living, folks who have Medicaid, or an elderly waver or Section 8, have access to this as a, housing, do you know that? The last time I asked that of the Housing Authority and they didn't, I don't think, as I recall, the response was that they didn't have any units there now that. Sure, but I was just wondering. And so it would be a matter of someone actually trying to do it and whether they would be successful or not. I don't know that we have, we don't have any statements from them saying that they would not take Section 8. Ok. But I don't know that anybody's tried. g) CONSIDER A LETTER TO THE JOHNSON COUNTY BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO OPERATE A HOME BUSINESS ON 3.3 ACRES LOCATED AT 4396 TAFT AVENUE. h) CONSIDER A LETTER TO THE JOHNSON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF A REZONING FROM COUNTY RESIDENTIAL (R) ZONE TO COUNTY MANUFACTURED HOUSING RESIDENTIAL (RMH) ZONE FOR APPROXIMATELY .58 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF LAKE RIDGE MANUFACTURED HOME PARK, WEST OF RIVERSIDE DRIVE. Fringe area items, g and h, the first is a conditional use permit, and this is the general location of the property, and we're going out Highway 6 here. And this is the property. This is a home occupation, essentially, or a home-based business, a siding business, that has had a conditional use permit here in the County for five years, I think, and the request is to make this indefinite. We see these conditional uses because that's the way the County zoning ordinance is set up, that's when there's a conditional use, there's an opportunity for comment from the City that is within, it's within 2 miles of, which this is. The recommendation of the Commission is that it be approved, that's on a vote from 6 to 0, but subject to this running with this owner of the property. It is within our 2-mile extraterritorial jurisdiction, but it's way out there on the edge, there's nothing foreseen in the foreseeable future that it's going to be annexed or part ofIowa City, and it is a use that has been a good neighbor. And it's conditional with the owner, that (can't hear) change? That's the recommendation that is made in the letter to the County Zoning Board of Adjustment. Whether they choose to impose that condition or not will be there decision. It's just input. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5, 2006. September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 14 Vanderhoef: Will this come back to us, for instance, if they decided to build another building or two on that property? (can't hear) the house? Franklin: Not necessarily. If the, if they decide to go ahead with the detached garage, if they decide to do an expansion on the house and it's for a single-family or this home-based business, if they are given an indefinite conditional use permit for this home-based business, then we would not. It would only be if the situation changed such that the conditional use permit no longer was valid. Vanderhoef: But there's plenty of property there that if they were to build another big storage shed and this business were to grow a whole lot. I guess Council should have an opportunity to review if that were to come back to us. O'Donnell: Well, they'd have to get a permit for it, wouldn't they? Champion: No, they're not- Franklin: Well, they'd have to get a building permit. Vanderhoef: From the County. O'Donnell: But it has to be approved by the Council. Franklin: If it is considered to be, and I'm trying to recall the language of the fringe agreement, but ifthere is a development, which is not a subdivision, but it is a development that is 2 acres or more, we get to look at it. So I think if they were going to do anything of any consequence, assuming that everybody remembered what the fringe agreement said, then you, we would see it, at least administratively. O'Donnell: I thought that was the purpose for joint review, when I was on the fringe are agreement - I think any - Franklin: It's when it's subdivided. Rezoned or subdivided. And what you don't get to see, for instance, we didn't have any specific review of the Eyman at Herbert Hoover Highway and the 1-80. I have to say that though. Bailey: Oh right. Franklin: Because it wasn't subdivided. It was a zoning change, but we never got to review it as a subdivision. And so that's when we put in the 2 acre or more, we want to see it. Ok? You can think about that. Moving on. This is a County rezoning to enable the construction of additional storm shelter at Lake Ridge. I'm not sure this is very informative. (laughter) Bailey: Sign in field; I like it. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5, 2006. September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 15 Franklin: Elliott: Franklin: Elliott: (laughter) Correia: O'Donnell: Franklin: Bailey: Wilburn: Franklin: Yeah, yeah. The recommendation is for approval, it's for 1/2 an acre, and it can only be used for a storm shelter and associated parking. Ok? I'm done. Karin? Yes, sir? At my age, when you turn those lights down very quickly and unexpectedly it frightens me. My age too, Bob. That statement really frightens me. That statement frightened me. Ok. Thanks for sharing. Done, Karin? I'm done, yeah. Just pretend I'm not here. Council Appointments Wilburn: Council appointments. We have one applicant for the Telecommunications Commission, that's Margaret Weiting. Vanderhoef: I suggest we use Margaret Weiting. She's a very knowledgeable gal and will do her homework. Champion: Good. Correia: That sounds good. Wilburn: Looks like agreement. Elliott: Yep. Bailey: I'm glad she's willing to apply. She's also a busy woman. Wilburn: Yes she is. Correia: I had a question. We, we seem to not be getting applications for the different Airport Boards. Vanderhoef: Have you noticed that? Hmmm? Correia: So, I'm wondering a couple things, is there This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5, 2006. September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 16 Bailey: A problem? Correia: A problem? In terms of, is there any special outreach we might want to do to Particular segments of the community, to try and solicit applications? Vanderhoef: The point is that a lot of the people that apply for commissions are wanting to be active and involved, and these only get called in maybe once or twice in the last ten years? Correia: Oh, is that right? Well maybe that, maybe that would be a sell to some people that are really busy. (laughter) O'Donnell: We advertised in the paper one time didn't we? In The Press, or The Gazette? Karr: We've advertised twice. O'Donnell: Already? Karr: And then we still run this constantly, we just don't republish, but we do run it constantly on the website and on our bulletin boards, and it's always on the agenda, so that anyone watching us. Vanderhoef: Marian would love to get it off. Correia: Right. I mean, you know, some boards, when you're having a hard time recruiting, then you might identify ten people that you think might be good and then ask them to apply. Karr: Ok. Champion: We don't usually have a problem except for a few of these, which nobody really wants. Correia: Yeah. So it's not a problem that we don't have people on them? I mean, we have people on them, but there's enough people? Atkins: Hopefully there will be no need for a meeting. Correia: Ok. Bailey: Yeah. Elliott: What happens? Correia: Ifthere ever is would we have a problem? Atkins: Yes we would. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription ofthe Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5, 2006. September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 17 Elliott: What happens? What do we do if there is none? Correia: That's what I'm saying. Champion: We'd have to appoint somebody very quickly. Franklin: Mr. Mayor? Wilburn: Yes? Franklin: I'm sorry, but I did have one other thing. Wilburn: Ok. That's why I asked. (laughter) Franklin: Right now we send the Economic Development Committee packets in the Information Packet to the whole Council. Do you wish for us to contioue to do that? O'Donnell: Yes. Correia: I do. Bailey: Yeah. Wilburn: Thank you. Elliott: Eleanor? Is there a quick answer to what happens ifthis Commission is needed and it's not there? Dilkes: No. Elliott: There is not a quick answer. Ok. Bailey: But there are, there are people serving. Elliott: It's not that important. Correia: Are there enough people on these commissions to have a meeting ifthere were one needed. O'Donnell: No. Champion: No. Correia: Ok. So that is a problem. Vanderhoef: It's tiny. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5, 2006. September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 18 Correia: You wouldn't really want to have that happen if you were needing something to happen, to have to recruit somebody then to go through the meeting process. Atkins: If I recalled, I even volunteered to be a member of one of them once, and was. Dilkes: I think if the situation arose, we'd, you know, we'd probably have some advance warning, we'd just have to recruit somebody and get them appointed and get them O'Donnell: You weren't appointed, Steve? Atkins: No, I was just trying to help out. Correia: Are there no members on these Boards? Karr: No, there are some, there's just not enough to constitute a quorum. Correia: Ok. How many do we need to constitute a quorum on either one of those. Karr: I will have to get back to you. Correia: Oh, ok, could you let me know? I'll try to recruit. Karr: Because some of them, the makeup is done, the makeup is done off of other boards and commissions, some of them are citizens representing others, so I'd have to take a look at it. Correia: Oh, ok, ok. Vanderhoef: Supervisors have one or two seats Karr: Airport Commission. Correia: Ok. Tree Plantinl! Wilburn: Tree Planting. Replanting. Atkins: I was sent a memo, I think it was two weeks ago, Ijust asked Terry to stop by, if you have any questions of him. We're starting to put together Bailey: So, I have a question. Did you have a presentation, first? Robinson: No. Bailey: You're not going to show us pictures of trees? Robinson: No, I'm not going to show you pictures of trees. Green side up, brown side down. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5,2006. -~--,-----_._-,-~..,- "--~.~~..~-"-_..~-_._------_._-_._.._~----~_._--_._..----~'_.-'--'----'------'-'----"--'--'-----"--~--'--- September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 19 Champion; Ok. Bailey: So do you have, I mean, there were lots of volunteers and also people interested in making donations after the tornado. Are we using either or both? Robinson; Yes. We're using both. Bailey: Ok. As long as they know green side up, brown side down, you're using them. Robinson: Yes. Bailey: And they should contact you if they're interested? Robinson: Yes, please. Bailey: And they should write you checks, or the Forestry Department checks? Robinson: Preferably not directly to me. Bailey: Ok. Elliott: Why is Terry here? Vanderhoef: Actually, if they write them to the Parks and Recreation l'oundation, then it turns up as a charitable donation for tax purposes. Robinson; Yeah. The Foundation is good. I do have a little bit, Ijust don't have a picture presentation like Karin does. I would mess this up, anyways. Just to give you some FYls, at this point, we are at 146 right of way trees that have been lost, that's right of way trees. Those amounts are generally, this doesn't total up, because I just picked the highest ones: Hotz Street, 26 trees on that little short section of street. Washington, 23 trees, Iowa Avenue 19, and little bitty Orchard Street, over behind Har-, Hartwig's, excuse me, II trees. Champion; Oh, right. Elliott: Really. Bailey: Wow. Robinson: Yeah. College, and if you think about it, that's where the tail came down and banged and then took off again, College Street 10 and Rochester 10. Now that's not the 146, those are just some of the high points. O'Donnell: Terry, is College Street, was that primarily in the College Hill Park? Robinson: No, no, I've got another area for College, College Green Park. College Green Park, 18 trees within the park itself, 6 trees in the outlying right of way area. South Hickory Hill, and this is one that's a big envelope, South Hickory, and we This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5, 2006. September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 20 Robinson: refer to South Hickory, I know that everybody else refers to it as Hickory Hill Park, but for our purposes, when I tell my guys to go somewhere Ijust say Hickory Hill, they look at me and go, north end or south end, so we say South Hickory, 10 trees in the area by the shelter. This does not constitute the trees that were in the creek or the trees that are in the timber. I don't even want to begin to try to count there, because I don't know that I could, because there were small ones, large ones, so on down the line. So that's where we're at now. We're estimating a total amount of trees on public property, the right of way and in the parks, of about 174, and you notice I keep using terms like about and approximately. We will see more calls, now, starting into the fall as the leaves come off and people who look up and go, oh, ok, it's cracked or it's broken or it's something to that effect, and so we'll have to go out and find if that tree needs to be removed also. We have a, the contract has been sent out, or the bids have been requested. The opening is tomorrow, here, at the City Hall, and we are looking at working 45 trees this fall and we've broken it up (TAPE ENDS) Be easier for my staff to get to all of those locations as opposed to doing 107 of them at one time, which would be really burdensome for us, and some of them, and I knew this going in, because I requested some species for this fall that I knew probably would not be available, but I at least wanted to ask, because if there happened to be a lot out there somewhere that had them sitting on the lot ready to go, I wanted to try to put them in. We'll probably have to do them this year, and of course the logic of that is the oak trees, and most of them, they, the suppliers want to dig those in the spring as opposed to the fall. So. And I've already heard from the guys, what do you mean, asking for these in the fall? Ok, guys, just give me what you've got and we'll go from there. So we expect that and we'll see that coming up. We are looking at the standard trees we always look at as far as size and number. 2" caliper, and if you know 2" caliper means 2" in diameter measured 6" above the ground. That's the standard nursery term. And ball and burlap, which is, as you've seen, the burlap wrap with the wire cage around it. We don't plant container trees unless we absolutely have to. There's whole bunches of reasons for that. And we'll be proceeding along with that and I'll be sending out letters - I wanted to get them out today but I didn't quite make it. I'll be sending out letters tomorrow to all the adjacent properties of that, of where we're looking at planting these trees so they will be notified that we're up, we're running, we're getting ready to go and, they will call me, because persons always questions, as well they should. I've had a few calls already. If you happen to live someplace and you see a little white dot out on your curb and a white dot on your sidewalk, somewhere in there is where we are looking at putting a tree, and that's how we pretty well set it up. One important thing I want to bring up, and we could have some more trees coming in for another situation, I'll just use an example. Let's say Dale and I live next to one another. 30 years ago I took a tree, little bitty I" tree and planted it 6" from the property line. That was 30 years ago. That tree is now 2' in diameter. Well, it's grown 6" onto Dale's side ofthe property, but that tree is still my tree, because the center of that tree was planted on my property 30 years ago. We use that same philosophy to determine ownership of the City tree or not being a City tree. So we have some there that are kind of in the fog right now, because we're going to have to get them surveyed. That doesn't mean we're not gonna, we're going to say to somebody, oh, you're not going to get a tree. We just want to make sure we know whether or This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5,2006. September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 21 not that tree was on, originally planted on City property or whether or not it was planted on private property. That was the basis for that reasoning. Any questions? Vanderhoef: Will you work with homeowners if they choose to have the tree put up in their yard versus out on the, ah, parking area. Would you do that? Robinson: I do not typically, unless there is some compelling reason, and then I go to this guy over here and say to him this is what's going on, is it ok I do that? Because typically, you know, this is all the taxpayers' money ofIowa City planting that tree out in a right of way as opposed to in someone's yard. And we have one particular case right up here on Washington Street that you're going to look at it and go, Terry, you told me you weren't doing that. But the right of way in this location extends extremely far back behind the sidewalk. And for all the world it looks like we are planting someone a yard tree when we are not. Anything else? Champion: And we just let as Hickory Hill Park, let nature take its course there, right? Except in the picnic area? Robinson: We're going to go in and work in as Hickory Hill, and one of the difficulties we have with south Hickory is getting access to that area on the east side of the creek from the 7th Avenue side. We have a way to do that, Public Works has helped us out with a way to get in there. We haven't done it because it's going to be doggone difficult. You know. It's going to be a lot of hassle. We're not going to improve those trees that, in a great amount. We're going to clear out material that needs to be cleared out and go from there and yes, let nature take its course. There's a natural process in a timber, that's just the way it works. Big old trees go down and small young ones come up. That's the way Mother Nature wants it to be. Champion: Well, I would O'Donnell: When you say we, Terry, have we got, all these stumps that are to come out, is this what's being bid tomorrow? Robinson: No. This is tree planting. O'Donnell: Just the planting. Robinson: The stump contract is done at this point unless somebody comes to me and says, hey you missed one, which is entirely possible, because sometime they get down, cuts down so flush with the ground that we can cruise right on by them and not even know it. And there were a lot of trees that were taken out that we had no knowledge of. They were taken out by other persons and we found quite a few that was like, oh, ok, that was there - I didn't realize that. Champion: Thank you. Bailey: Thank you so much. Robinson: Go out and plant a tree if you want. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5, 2006. September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 22 Bailey: I'm not clever enough. O'Donnell: I've had about enough of trees this year. Fire Occupancv Suildin!! Code ITEM 12. CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 7, ENTITLED "FIRE PREVENTION AND PROTECTION," CHAPTER 1, ENTITLED "FIRE CODE" BY AMENDING SECTION 4 TO INCREASE THE PENALTIES FOR OVERCROWDING. (SECOND CONSIDERATION) Wilburn: Fire occupancy building code. Agenda item #12. Atkins: We had an extensive discussion, obviously, at the last meeting. You asked that Randy and Doug be here. The next reading is up on the increasing the fines, the proposed change on the implementation date, and beyond all that. Where's Joe? Wilburn: Any specific questions that Council had for staff? Elliott: I had no question, but I was just very pleased at the memo from Steve that I saw regarding the, especially the Fire Department's willingness to provide a delay on this until February 7. Bailey: Well there still will be penalties, they just won't be increased. Elliott: Absolutely. Bailey: And I, I don't know, I'm ready to get this going, myself. I don't see why we have to wait 'til February. Vanderhoef: For the increase. No, I don't either. The, the, working with the bar owners to help them adjust and work with them on occupancy is, is the right way to go, but that doesn't, doesn't mean that we shouldn't be able to go ahead with the raise in the fee. A fine. Bailey: Yeah. I suspect this semester's a more challenging one to, for occupancy, so I think it's good to have an increase now. Take it seriously. Baeth: Well, I've, I've already seen the bars complying more, and that's without the increases, that's just with the knowledge that it's going to be enforced more vigorously, so, the effects of it have already taken effect. Bailey: But I mean, so, if they're complying, then, ifit increases, then no worry. Champion: I think the problem is Regenia is that some bars have a lot of space and the safety of being in the building isn't necessarily what's limiting their occupancy. It might be the number of bathrooms, the number of exits, or whatever, so my whole point, and I think Elliott's too, is to give them time to correct those things so they can increase their occupancy to what it really should be. That's what I'm This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5, 2006. September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 23 looking at, or looking for. I'm not looking for them to have overcrowding and not be called on it. I, I think we ought to be doing occupancy checks all the time. In fact it's always been, I've always advocated for it, but I think in some cases the occupancy is so low in a huge space because of the numbers of bathrooms, that people need to have time to adjust to that. Now its obvious to the Fire Department if they go into a space and they can't walk through it that it's overcrowded. Bailey: Right. Champion: But, you know so, Bailey: And that's the typical situation, at least before this summer. Champion: Right, and that needs to be looked at, that needs to be enforced. I don't have any problems with increasing the penalty. Bailey: But, the question is do we increase the ordinance, the penalty, starting February 1 'lor now. And I thought what Andy said originally was the fine was so out of line with the serious nature of this infraction that it seems appropriate to go ahead, and if people are doing what they need to be doing, then, that's, then they will avoid a fine, a larger fine. Elliott You have to realize this is brand new. Now whether it's brand new on the books, it's brand new to the people, and it's not their fault. It, I think you have to, when something is altogether new, altogether different, their going to need to make some significant changes with significant expenditures, you have to give them time to prepare, to first understand, then to train, to proceed with whatever needs to be done and get on with it. So I'm very pleased to have this start February 1. Bailey: Well, we've been working on this since March. I mean. Champion: But they didn't get their occupancies in March. Bailey: But they've always had their occupancies. Occupancy is not a new concept. O'Donnell: We're going to enforce occupancy, Bailey: I get that. O'Donnell: But we're not going to enforce the increased fines. And I, I support giving them time. This is new, and we'll enforce occupancies, but, 1 do agree, we should give them time to comply. Bailey: So, if we read second consideration, are we changing the ordinance that we won't enforce until February? Vanderhoef: Well, it would have to be amended. O'Donnell: I would. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5, 2006. ~,_____,_~___.",,__,___,__,___,_,__'_~~__~'~'____"'____ - _.__.__.___..,.__~__._._____.___________." __ ',__.___..._.___'o.""__'_' _____...___,_,,~.__.___ September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 24 Bailey: See, I'm ready to go second consideration as is. Correia: Are we enforcing, ah hah. Are we? Elliott: I think that, I'd like to hear the answer. Do we need to amend this and then have a first consideration, or can we amend and? Dilkes: No, I think you can amend it on the floor and that would be second. I don't see a later effective date as being that substantive. Correia: But the occupancy code, with the current fine structure, is still in place. We're not saying? Right. Ok. Elliott: Yes. O'Donnell: Sure. Bailey: Right But Andy's point was Correia: No, I understand, no I know, I know, and I, I also agree with Regenia that Bailey: This is the busy time. I think you, you pay a little bit more attention when you have a little bit more, I don't know. Correia: And it's good to hear that, the visible change, too, so that then there, there wouldn't be fines when they are. Bailey: Right. Absolutely. Elliott: I move we amend it to. Wilburn: We're not amending it. We're not amending it right now. Vanderhoef: No. Correia: Work session. Elliott: No, but I will be tonight, I will be moving to amend it. Wilburn: Ok. Bailey: Did you have any comments? Wilburn: Anyone have any questions directed to staff? Atkins: Do you need the rest of the crowd for tonight? Otherwise we're going to send them home. O'Donnell: We can send them home. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5, 2006. September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 25 Champion: Oh, they can go home. Atkins: Send them home. O'Donnell: Thank you. Vanderhoef: Have a nice evening. Bailey: You mean we can just keep them here? We could just keep Dilkes: You know, I'd hate to, but if we have comments from the public about occupancy and how it's established, etc., we're not going to have these folks here to answer those questions, just so you know that. Bailey: I don't think we should send people home. Dilkes: I mean, I can't answer how, Tim calculates occupancy. Bailey: I think it might be a help - I don't know, flip a coin. Dilkes: I don't want to be in the position of having to address that later tonight. Wilburn: I think you'd better just stay. Boothroy: Tonight's'meeting is not about occupancy. It's about fines. Bailey: For occupancy. Dilkes: Well, fines being Correia: Related to occupancy, right? Boothroy: Ok. Well, Ijust didn't think it was part of the public hearing, that's why I was clarifying that. Champion: The public hearing is just on fines. So the mayor will have to keep it limited to that. Wilburn: All right. Bailey: It's all reruns, anyway. Wilburn: Andy, go ahead. Rocca: Just one comment related to fines. You're absolutely right. I wanted to raise them to make them more commensurate with the risk at hand. We're really after compliance here. We're not interested in the money, the fines aspect. Bailey: Right. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription ofthe Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5,2006. .-----------~~--_._-----"_.--------_.__._...,._---_.~._.._._---~_.~_._---_._-'_.__._-- September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 26 Rocca: We have a mechanism in place. Those that are going to overcrowd will overcrowd. We'll deal with that, matter offactly. So we're good. If you want to move it, move it. If you want to leave it, fine. We have the mechanism in place that we need to to enforce occupant loads. Champion: Great. Bailey: Well, perhaps I think that enforcing it right away communicates our seriousness, and that's, I think, why I would be interested in enforcement of the increase right away. I wouldn't want anyone to think we're not serious. Rocca: No, we clearly are enforcing. In fact, we were out this past Saturday and hit a number of establishments, and the assessment is people are complying. They're counting them in, they're counting them out. Champion: Great. Bailey: Good. Oh that's great. Rocca: Yeab, it's certainly a good step, just for your information. Wilburn: Andy, just as a reminder for myself and the Council, what month did you all begin working with the? Rocca: It's been a long process, I think it was March! April when we had the awareness training. I'm working off the top of my head, but it's been a number of months and I think it was just last week we finished up with the crowd control manager training, so we're on schedule. Wilburn: Ok. O'Donnell: But you've noticed a big improvement in that time, Andy? Rocca: Certainly. O'Donnell: Ok. Vanderhoef: And, and the crowd control training has been given. Do you feel like it's been implemented or are they just starting to work on their implementation of that? Rocca: They had to submit a written plan. They had to name individuals that were in charge of their facilities as well as train these crowd control managers. As I indicated, I think the last work session I was here, I think it really will be a year before we say we've arrived. I mean, there are just some issues that we'll have to deal with and work through, but I think we're on the right track, and that's probably the best assessment I can give your right now. Vanderhoef: So it's, it's not just the owner or the managers that were trained, it's, it's the actual people This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription ofthe Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5,2006. -_.._---~~--_._~_.._-- -- ------------,- ..- ----..-...-.-.....-.--.------ .'-_..__._---_._--_._.._-'~..._-_._---_._~- ".-,..-----------.--,-----------------.-... September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 27 Rocca: Employees, employees have a role, certainly. Vanderhoef: Employees. So this will be another one of those kinds of things that will be an ongoing training, every so often, for new turnover of staff. Rocca: That is correct. Vanderhoef: Ok. Bailey: That we'll provide at no cost. Rocca: Correct. Bailey: Ok. Great. Rocca: Anything else? Champion: Thank you. Bailey: Thank you. Rocca: Thank you. Boothroy: I should also add that, since the building department, division, is establishing occupancies, Tim's been meeting with a number of, quite a few of the bar owners in'downtown Iowa City, and has been walking them through the way it's computed. It's cleared up a lot of misunderstandings in the process. And we've also met with an architectural firm that's doing at least a half a dozen of the bars in downtown, and the positive thing about that is that they're out there advocating for these changes as well when they're talking with their clients. In other words, we have the architects saying this is a good thing to do, this is what you should do, this is what makes it safe, what we're talking about, and so we see a lot of interest in bringing about compliant structures. Frankly, the threat of the fine has got their attention, and they're working hard to get to where we need to go. That's not to say we might have one situation that might come up or two, but generally speaking, everybody's moving in the right direction, and that's the momentum that we need to keep going. So, that's very positive, I think. Champion: I have one more, I have one more question before you all leave. One of the reasons I was really worried about occupancy is because of all these 2nd level bars we have. Do we have anything in our zoning laws to reduce the occupancy in those? I find those really scary? Boothroy: Well, they are a problem as far as safety is concerned, and we'll be coming back to the Council with an ordinance amendment that will address that issue for improving the occupancy for 2nd level bars. Champion: Oh good. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5, 2006. September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 28 Boothroy: Champion: Bailey: Karr: Boothroy: Karr: Boothroy: Elliott: Boothroy: Champion: O'Donnell: Bailey: Wilburn: Champion: Vehicle for Hire There are some fire safety things that need to be done, and we'll have that discussion I believe in October. So. That's one of the things that we are, also alerting the owners that when we meet with them we're saying, this is a discussion that's coming up. We're going to talk about it, you need to be aware about it, you need to prepare for it, so if you make any changes at this point in time, this is what we're recommending, and you should account for those in terms of your capital financing for this, you know, particular project. So you'll see that in October. Thank you. That's up and down, right? We have one that's? Yes. It's underground. Anything not on the ground. Anything above or below the first floor. Yes. So that's coming. Good. So you want somebody here I take it. No? I don't think we need anybody here. I don't think so. Your call, Ross. Have a good night. Go home. Wilburn: Vehicle for hire. Karr: As I noted in my memo and from discussions with a couple of Council folks, we've had a large increase in the number of vehicles for hire in our community over the past few years, and as a matter of fact, since the memo was written we have another company, so we're up to 16 companies right now. Vanderhoef: All one, all one cab company? Karr: No. As noted on the attached, that's why I provided that information, we have, half the companies have less than two vehicles. One of the new ones that we added added three. And I believe they're going to be up This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5,2006. _n~__._.'_'_ _.______~~_~____________."_.___.______..___"._.,_.._..-. -.-.-----..-..-.,.--.-------.-----. September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 29 Elliott: I believe that's one, right, if it's less than two? You said some of the companies Karr: Less than three. Elliott: Dh, I thought you said less than two, and I thought, oh, that was an odd way of putting it. Karr: So less than half of the companies that we currently have licensed have one vehicle, so that certainly is one issue that might be an approach Council might wish to take is the starting ofa company with the status of having just one vehicle. That is something that would have to be enforced throughout the year if that's your desire as well. But there's a number of issues that come into play. There's been a number of years since we've done any adjustments to our vehicle for hire. I think the last time we did anything was for horse-drawn vehicles and pedicabs. Bailey: And we have so many of those. Vanderhoef: And colors. Karr: Well, colors we attempted it, you deferred it, you took no action on colors. Vanderhoef: Mmm hmm. Mmm hmm. Elliott: Can we, urn, legislate quality? Karr: Well, I think to a certain degree, and we have some language from other cities, that we certainly can bring across some standards about crumpled fenders or necessary. Elliott: I'm thinking the easiest one would be quality of the vehicle both engineer and appearance. Karr: Well, we go through every cab, every vehicle for hire, is inspected by the Police Department prior to being issued a decal. Elliott: I was waiting for one to turn a comer today and if that was a 6 cylinder, it couldn't have been hitting on more than 3. It just barely made it around the comer. Karr: Again, it's at the time of the inspection, so again, it's an annual inspection, and they go through a lot of wear and tear, as you can well imagine. And that's also something that, if there is interest by four of you, four, we'd be happy to bring, four more of you, we'd be happy to bring back some language and some other, it isn't, in many of these cases it's not reinventing the wheel. There's a lot of cities that have been doing this for many more years than we have. We just wanted to get some inkling from you on what issues you wanted to tackle. We'll be happy to prepare an ordinance and prepare a recommendation for you. Many of these things can all be handled independently of one another or it can be done in total. So we're just looking for some direction. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5, 2006. September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 30 Elliott: O'Donnell: Champion: Karr: Bailey: Karr: Bailey: Karr: Bailey: Karr: O'Donnell: Bailey: Karr: Bailey: O'Donnell: Karr: O'Donnell: Bailey: O'Donnell: Bailey: Karr: I'd sure like to look at it. I think rather than quality we look at safety. Yeah. Me too. Which items? Yeah, I think that because we license those we should have some, people have expectations of them being safe and clean, fair, which I would like to look at meters and posted rates, because some of these are charging anything. Well, the safe, the safe part of it is, it's inspected and it is safe, and I can assure you our Police Department wouldn't But the insides aren't always safe. If we don't inspect the insides and there's a door panel missing So are you looking at the ability to stop and do spot inspections throughout the year? Yes. I mean, his point, Bob's point I think is well taken. If, I mean So under vehicles, then, the ability to stop and do spot inspections. Is there any interest in doing semi-annual? I (can't hear) Well, that's what we, we license them, we have the right to inspect, I assume. Is there any interest to do semi-armuallicenses. Inspections? Yeah. I think that would be better than... Spot check? .. . stopping the car. But I also think that ifthere's complaints, obviously, we do an inspection. Oh, if there's a complaint. So if you get out of a cab that was dangerous on the inside because something was ripped off or the door handle had. the knob broken and it was sharp. Well, I think if there's some safety issues, that's always built in. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5,2006. September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 31 Bailey: Right. But I think we should make that more clear. Wilburn: Also, our, the ability to do a spot check I presume gives you the ability to stop and respond too. Elliott: Do we have, do we have some agreements that do not run other than weekends. Karr: We do not have any requirement that a taxicab run any length of time at all. Elliott: I just, I would like to see, those are among the things to look into. It just seems to me that we have numerous cabs operated by numerous Karr: Well, I, could we go through the list real quickly? I mean, is there interest in four of you to do the 24/7 hours of op.eration? Champion: No. Bailey: Yes. Vanderhoef: I think we have to talk about that. Because I think the people, if we expect 24 hour coverage, than they have to be, someone has to be on duty for that company in the hours when they don't expect to have any calls. And to have somebody come in with one cab and cream from II pm to 2 am kind of thing on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday night, perhaps? O'Donnell: Did you say cream? What is that? Is that cherry pick or Vanderhoef: That would be another one, yeah. O'Donnell: Ok. Vanderhoef: Yeab, cherry pick the time when it's busy and compete with the same people who are providing 24 hour and trying to make a living off of it. So. There's different considerations, and I don't have an answer for it right now, but I can see some potential conflicts there. Bailey: Well, I would like to look at, if not 24/7, expanded. We don't have bus service on Sundays, and it doesn't seem right to me that you can, you can run this licensed, professional, so-called professional company, and yet, cherry pick. I think there's a professionalism that we should expect, and I think that's a greater availability of your service. It's not just for Thursday, Friday, and Saturday night. So I would like to look at expanded, even if we don't get to 24/7, I think we should definitely look at expanded hours required. And, you want to go through this list. Wilburn: Well, how many first are interested in the 24/7 - a show of hands? Correia: Well, I'm interested in looking at what we might want to regulate for hours of operation. I don't know if! think it should be 24/7, but I think Elliott: Ross, I would think expanded hours. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5, 2006. September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 32 Wilburn: So are there four who would be interested? Bailey: Can we do expanded, call it expanded? Karr: Sure. What would you like? Bailey: At least on Sunday, and certainly some requirements that Karr: 8 hours on Sunday? Correia: , guess I'd just like to look at like what, what the different option are. Bailey: Well, we have, we have any options. Karr: Yeah, that's exactly Correia: No, 'mean, how many, how many cabs do we think we need to have operating on Sunday? How many cabs? Bailey: That's a market decision, isn't it? Champion: But you're trying to control the market decision by having expanded hours. Bailey: Because we license the market, because we license the market. And , think when you get into a cab. Correia: 'fthere isn't a market and you're licensing and there's no business, or not enough Bailey: 'think that when we're in the business of licensing we have some expectation of professionalism, which is availability outside of! can get a cab from midnight to three on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. That's great. But if! come out of Hancher and it's raining and , walked over, can' get a cab, or whatever? , mean, , think we should look at expanded hours to some degree. 24/7 is the thing that most cities do. Cedar Rapids does that. O'Donnell: 'think that's the case in most larger cities, but' think to require somebody to do an eight hour, twelve hour shift on a Sunday with one fare, , think that's a hardship on the business. Bailey: Mmm hmm. But Vanderhoef: I question Bailey: How many people are really in the business? Vanderhoef: loosely calling business a one-cab, one-driver situation. O'Donnell: That depends on whether it's a big business or a small business. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5,2006. September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 33 Bailey: Well, I don't think me and my car and a cell phone is a business. O'Donnell: I agree with that statement. I don't think you can have, I don't think one car can do it adequately, unless they just sit downtown. Bailey: But I do think that we have to, I do think that some expansion of hours makes sense. Vanderhoef: I do too. Champion: We do have cab companies that operate 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Bailey: Right. But I guess what we're doing is setting the bar for what is a cab company and what is one chick in a car and a cell phone. Champion: I think that's worth looking at., but I don't want to regulate hours. But I think that's a valid thing, what makes a cab company? That's Bailey: But if you don't regulate hours, what motivates me to, I mean, to do anything but go downtown on the weekends and do that? Correia: Is part of, is part of this assessment of what we might need, what the market, can we, do you know of all the currently licensed cab companies, what their hours of operation are? Karr: No, because we have no requirement. Correia: We don't ask, it's not part of? O'Donnell: They're independent businesses. Correia: No, I know. Karr: No, we do not. Correia: But that's something that we could call them and ask. Wilburn: We can ask, but, if I'm sitting and listening to this conversation, then you call me and I say, 24/7. Bailey: Here's my cellphone. 24/7. Karr: I can tell you we get citizens who call because the companies are calling off their phones, because the expectation is. We explain to them that there's not a requirement. And I agree with Ross. Bailey: I think if you're called a cab company, you need to be available, and if you don't, I don't know. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5,2006. -- _._-_._----_._--------_._._--~--_.._-----,_._._--~--~...,..,-'"..-,-"-------_.,------_._-"_.._-,_."._._~._---.-" September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 34 Elliott: I don't think we're going to resolve this tonight. I think we've started a discussion, let's think it over and at another work session, maybe some of us can come up with some recommendations. Bailey: But Marian can bring us some language if we have a direction. But if we keep deferring this, then it's going to get into license, you know, January. O'Donnell: I'm trying to think of any other business that we dictate the hours that they're going to be open. Champion: The Ped Mall vendors. Bailey: Well, any mall. Karr: That we license, the Ped Mall vendors would be one. Bailey: When we license, we, we dictate. Vanderhoef: This is a public service versus a different kind of business that you can lock the door and people expect the door to be locked. And even there, they at least post their hours, and a cab company doesn't necessarily have anything but a cellphone right now. O'Donnell: I think we just need to Dilkes: I think all these, all these regulations that we have for cabs and that other cities have for cabs, are related in one way or another to ensuring the safety, legitimacy, etc. These are all ways of getting to that end result. So that's where you need to keep your focus. We're not regulating the market, but we are regulating the safety, legitimacy, etch. Bailey: Credibility. Dilkes: So that when some, what we want is, when somebody gets in a cab that we license, we want there to be some assurance, that, you know, that the fare is posted or the fare there going to be charged, that it's a safe vehicle, etc. Wilburn: Well, and what's being proposed in addition to that is that I can get a cab in Iowa City. That's related to the 24/7 availability. Bailey: Right, and I think that Karr: It can be. Dilkes: I think the 24/7, what I'm saying is the 24/7 is, I think why you see that regulation is that's related to the legitimacy of the operation. Wilburn: Ok. Bailey: Calling yourself a cab. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5, 2006. -~-~------ - ---~-- --~-- ----- "------_._..~--_.__.._-----------_.._._.._...._._-._...~ September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 35 Dilkes: Bailey: Wilburn: Karr: Wilburn: Bailey: Champion: Bailey: Karr: Bailey: Karr: Champion: Karr: Bailey: Champion: Karr: Bailey: Champion: Right. And so, that's where your focus is. And I think we think of ourselves as a small town but, you know, we have some qualities that aren't so small town anymore and if we have the responsibility of licensing, I would like to see us, I mean, stepping up and raising the bar a little bit and having some credible, legitimate businesses that do a good job. Well, it's apparent that there's at least a majority who would like to explore that expanded coverage, whatever that may look like, so are we ok using the 24/7 as part of the discussion? I can prepare some language. What about the local office being open 24/7 or minimally, emergency land phone number? I think that goes along with the hours of operation, how you get at that. But does there have to be a land phone? Well, once again, we're talking about legitimacy and turning off and I guess We're having, we're having trouble getting a hold of the owners on complaints when they can shut off their phone. Now, they could certainly on the land phone, they could do the same thing, but there are cities, Cedar Rapids again being one, requires a land phone. Do they require an office? Yes they do. Maybe we should look at some of these. I'm beginning to change my mind. Well do you want, I can bring you a number, I just thought I would narrow down what, if you could tell me what you're interested in I can bring you Well, I heard that people were interested in looking at this minimum number of vehicles. I think we should, I think you're right, businesses should have some sense of legitimacy. All right. All right. [fwe're licensing them, sure. Ifwe're licensing them. And [don't know what makes that legitimate, but [can see the problem that Regenia and Dee are dealing with are people who just go out downtown on Friday and Saturday night. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5,2006. September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 36 Bailey: Champion: Bailey: O'Donnell: Bailey: Karr: O'Donnell: Correia: Dilkes: Bailey: O'Donnell: Correia: Bailey: Correia: O'Donnell: Correia: Wilburn: Bailey: Which I'm thinking of doing now. I think they do it for money. There's a lot of money to be made. What's the consequences if you don't answer the phone. Is there a fine? I mean that we have to think of also. Well, I think Marian probably has, there are examples. What are the consequences? Municipal infraction. So what if you, if you take the line off the, the phone off the hook, it's busy, how do you know? I mean even if The basic consequences would be a municipal infraction, that you violated the code, there's a fine, a revocation proceeding for your right to operate. Well, it's a matter of busy because you're taking another call and it rolls over to voice mail or something. You know, I think, that's all part of the range. Difficult to prove. I do think that with the changing nature of the economy and technology, I think requiring, I'm not so sure about requiring a land phone, but if you have a cell phone there has to be a way to leave a message, and if there's a message left with a complaint by the City, that there's an expectation that they respond within a certain amount of time. Because even if you have a land phone you have a message machine, you take it off the hook. I mean I think there is, once you're notified, whether it's by the mail or? But if they don't have an office, I'm assuming they There has to be an address, there has to be a mailing address, whether. But see, once again, If there's an office that's great, but I'm just saying that I don't know that. Well, for example, we do, I don't remember how it's worded but, with cable, our cable franchise, we have a requirement about the, at least the following up with complaints, so. The complaints. That's right. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5,2006. ,~__~....u__._._....._____~_._.___.___.__.,___~__,_____,________~______.__,_._.._."____._ - September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 37 Vanderhoef: And the pickup time and the follow-up and all of that. Bailey: Right. Vanderhoef: And I, I'm curious. I know we've got some kind ofliability requirement on the insurance but I don't know what that is. Karr: We have, I can provide that, we have $100,000.00 and a $500,000.00 coverage on those. We've had some issues on those. We go with what the risk management for the City, we go through our risk management department here at the City and this is what they recommend as coverage. Dilkes: They're at least equal to or higher than the State requires. Karr: Correct. Vanderhoef: Ok. Bailey: And then you have those Wilburn: What about, I'm sorry. Bailey: Oh, you're going down the list - go ahead. Wilburn: Minimum number of vehicles? Bailey: I heard interest in that. Champion: That may become part of the being legitimate. Wilburn: Ok. So. Look at that. O'Donnell: Is there anywhere, is there anywhere where they post the hours of availability? I've not- Vanderhoef: Well, legitimacy would partly be in the Yellow Pages with hours. O'Donnell: I'm talking if somebody posts I'm open 24 hours a day, they should be open 24 hours a day. They say I'm open 8 to 5, then that should fulfill the requirement. Bailey: So we would be ok with I'm open Monday through, or Thursday through Saturday, 10 to 3? 10pm to 3am? O'Donnell: If you set the hours of your business. You know, I'm sure we have some that are open 24 hours a day. Karr: We have two that I'm aware of. Elliott: I can conceive of having This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5, 2006. September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 38 O'Donnell: Then they'll prosper. Elliott: differing licenses for a certain number who have 24/7 or extended hours. I'm thinking of the safety concern. Say a young woman comes out of the University Library. I don't know what time it closes anymore, but we've had some assaults on the streets, and if there's not bus, and there's no assurance ofa taxi, and the friend is gone, I think that, I feel a responsibility to have some protection for people who need to get from one place to another late at night. And I think at least extended hours. Wilburn: I think we've already agreed that we're going to discuss that particular issue, Bob. What about approval of color scheme expires 30 business days unless vehicle is licensed? Bailey: So you have people reserving color schemes and then they don't? Karr: Correct. I think this is just an administrative manner, and unless there's a problem, I think. So it would be active for 30 days and then the colors are back up, fair game, and they'd have to reapply. Bailey: That sounds fair. Karr: Ok. Wilburn: Urn. Eyes glaze over whenever I look at color scheme stuff. I'm sorry. From our last experience with this. Vanderhoef: We did that one. Wilburn: Yeah. Bailey: What are the options to distinctive color scheme? Karr: The options are totally, quite frankly, at my discretion, as long as there's not another cab that can be confused with it. I certainly can't, you can't limit, ok, if! have one company taking yellow I can't say nobody else can do yellow. I mean, we don't have enough colors in the spectrum. So I try to look at the shades of yellow, I take a look at how much yellow, I take a look at design, I take a look at, I don't get down to lettering, we do have a requirement on letter size in our code, but other than that, you know, I try to be lenient because there are just too many companies. We've had a lot of creativity with patchwork and stripes and divisions and we don't require solid colors - you know, it's pretty open-ended, and you can see the, we've got, every once in awhile we receive people saying the reds are too close, again, it becomes the paint chip that I have was a very different red than the paint chip. I require a paint chip, we also file paint chips at the Police Department who do the actual inspections of the vehicles. Champion: Can we have dinner? (laughter) This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5,2006. --------- ~- -~ - ~ ---~ ~ -~ ----~---- ~--~- -- -- ----- - -~---- - - -~ - ~ - -- -----_.._..._.._--~---_.__..__.,--_.- - --,_..._~..._.- September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 39 O'Donnell: Bailey: O'Donnell: Karr: O'Donnell: Karr: O'Donnell: Karr: O'Donnell: Karr: Bailey: Champion: Correia: Karr: Baeth: O'Donnell: Champion: O'Donnell: Bailey: O'Donnell: Elliott: Bailey: Wilburn: We're really making this complicated. Well no, I think it's really complicated for Marian. I saw a black and gold cab name the other day and it was red. Black and Gold and it was a red van. I think there has to be some cohesion there. There is. All their cars must be painted the same. They would not have passed inspection, they would not have been given a decal. So for Black and Gold and they were all red? If a company has, if a company is called Black and Gold and the company's color is red, it would all be red. Ah. But I don't know that you saw any Black and Gold that were red. I think I did. Well you might have. Ok. I am not aware of any. But haven't you said you're colorblind? Can we eat? I'm interested in looking at options for all these things. Does everyone, do other people have any that they don't want. Is there any that you're not interested in? Yeah, let's try itthat way. Do we, do we need 16 different cab companies? That's Probably not. Again, that's Well, not 16 cab companies with one car each. That's right. Right. And so I think some of these regulations would change that. Some of that may impact that. Are, are there This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5,2006. September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 40 Karr: I mean, you could do no color. You could just let, you can Correia: Just have lettering. Karr: Just lettering. Bailey: Well, that could just be a market thing, right? Karr: That's our marketing thing. Vanderhoef: Does our ordinance, I can't remember, require the actual meter? Karr: No, it does not. Bailey: No we don't and I think we should. Karr: It does not require a bubble light or a meter. Some do, some have voluntarily done that, but we do not require it. Bailey: I think a cab should look like a cab inside and out. Otherwise you're just getting into somebody's car. That is a problem downtown. Karr: Are there four who would like the bubble light and the meter. Champion: That's my Bailey: That is a huge problem with gypsy cabs downtown and somebody's gonna get hurt. Wilburn: Eleanor. Dilkes: I just, ljust wanted to say what Regeniajust said kind of, that's putting the cab licensing issue in a nutshell. Karr: That's it. Bailey: So I think meter and bubble. Champion: Maybe that's all we have to do. Bailey: Well, hours. Of some sort. Champion: Well, I think we have enough 24 hour coverage. Wilburn: Are there Vanderhoef: Those two things may well take care of those, some of the other. Wilburn: Some of the other. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription ofthe Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5, 2006. September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 41 Bailey: Well, if you can make enough Thursday through Saturday. Champion: You need to think about it. If you don't have a meter and you pick up somebody downtown. Bailey: Pizza delivery people are picking up people. Champion: Which maybe doesn't have all their memory right then. Bailey: A little tired. Champion: A little tired, maybe has the flu. O'Donnell: Or intoxicated. Correia: But you know, the issue though with the gypsy cabs is, is, do we have any, if we hear that there's a company operating as a cab that's not licensed, what happens? I didn't know that gypsy cab wasn't a licensed cab. I mean, I don't use cabs really, so. Bailey: Not, no, not called gypsy cabs. Correia: I know, but, well there was one. Karr: We do have to, we do work on a complaint basis, you do have to catch them picking up a fare and charging for it. If they voluntarily pick up someone and voluntarily give them $5, it's not a charged licensed carrier. Correia: Ok. So if we had, we licensed, could there be something that we are saying licensed by the City ofIowa City or something? Karr: Well we've provided decals for the. Correia: A decal? Ok. Karr: Yeah, we provide a decal for the Vanderhoef: It has to be displayed. Correia: Yeah. Ok. Karr: But now, some individuals, when it's pouring rain and they're tired, and they see a vehicle and the vehicle offers them a ride home. Bailey: They forgot what their mom said. Wilburn: Let me try this Elliott: (can't hear) Marian, can you just bring us some recommendations? This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5,2006. September 5, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 42 Correia: Yeah bring us Wilburn: Let me try this again. Bailey: Make the cabs look like cabs. Wilburn: Are there any - excuse me Council, are there any items on this Exhibit A that was prepared for us that four of you are opposed to? Otherwise we'll just go with the whole thing. Karr: With the whole thing. Wilburn: Ok. Let's do it. Urn. Do you want to take a break? O'Donnell: I think we can get through this real quickly. Vanderhoef: Eat. Bailey: Yes. Karr: Dinner is here. Champion: We're through. Wilburn: Ok. All right. O'Donnell: Agenda items. Correia: I have stuff, I'm not through. Wilburn: We have agenda items and. Champion: We can postpone it. During the meeting. Correia: No. Bailey: Yeah. I have some questions. Correia: Til when? Champion: In the meeting. O'Donnell: You have more questions on cabs? Correia: No, no, no. Bailey: No. I'm done with the cabs. Other items on our agenda. Wilburn: Well, let's go ahead and eat and I guess you'll just have to reserve your questions for the actual Council meeting. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of September 5, 2006.