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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1994-01-03 Agenda , , , .;' I, ~ ~. --- - '" -. """W\---'-a-,_.....- .- -.-' ....- - -- ~I~ -- .. -- ...~_. \Y" . . . . . , ro, .:..- " ' " -f' /-:'" "".'" ' '., ":,' I I' ." , '... .(.;;./" .- I . " ..lJ,., . 'I . . . I "" ' '.. ( '. ' .", " . ,......, Item No.1- /1/ . "'] I,. ~ ~ t:Jf ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING January 3, 1994 .5:30 P.M. Council Chambers ~ Ct).) ~ ~ ~i?7- AS TEMPORARY CONSIDER MOTION TO APPOINT CITY CLERK CHAIRPERSON. 4/l(dJy tflLarw Item No.2- ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING TO ORDER _ CITY CLERK. Item No.3- ROLL CALL. Item No.4. CONSIDER MOTION TO FIX METHOD OF VOTING, r . it! I r~1 & 10m No.5. I 6 ~n)l il'~1: ~ #t ::If; .iff ~ .. ... '-"-_',",.,~ .u_. '~''''''_ Under Roberts Rules of Order, the prevIous custom has been to use the voice method voting. As the Charter does not prescribe the method of voting, Council will need to make a motion to fix the method of voting. Nominations can be made by balloting or from the floor. Voting can be by voice vote, show of hands or ballot. Council should also decide If the basis for decision is majority vote of the total membership and procedure for canvass of ballots. l""t / ~/ ..w IH6J. <I-C.~' "'i , d~~ NOMINA~ ~CE OF MAYOR OF THE CITY OF IOWA CITY. ~~ MOTION TO CLOSE NOMINATIONS. b.- ~ ;Z~~/71My BALLOT OR VOTE. CJ'~ Cllle ,,j ~~ (f ~f1 ~ f/~ 1l~ ~~ ;~ ~ Ik.n \t ~- ~ 10 -1/;/7/ -t M ~ ~~1' i I I I I' , . . I : ' . ;:J ,I I II ~ Ii . 'j if 11 Ii Ii I l f I I I' f: 'j,i d ., , I II I,ill .' ~ I " ., .... . .' . .,' ,', ::,<, 'j~", :,;' I.' :./~l -/D, ' ":: ',' ': .,' . -- , , / / /"'] i. . --"'-, #4 page 1 Karr/(#4) ! I , ! ~ i' ), ~: " .' f. , -, I, ~ ~ I Y ~ ! ! I I i ~ i I. , ~ Kubby/ Marian, two years I know we did a voice vote or hand, one of the two,and I don't k~ow if all nominations were taken or not. What happened two years ago. Karr/ As I recall and I have not researched it but I did review the minutes quickly. As I recall we first take all nominations and we do have a motion then to close nominations. So we have a motion and a second to place names on the floor for nominations. Then we have a motion to close nominations and vote on each of them separately. Does that answer your question. Baker/ But we decide the method of voting before nominations. Karr/ That is correct. Horow/ Correct. Kubby/ I move we take a voice vote. Horow/ That is okay with me. Lehman/ I second that. Pigott/ I also wondered if there was any particular reason for the order of nomination of office: mayor or mayor pro tem. Karr/ No. We just have typically have done it that way and certainly a majority of council members could decide to switch the vote or the order. Any further discussion on the motion-on the method of voting. I have a motion on the floor. Moved by Kubby, seconded by Lehman to do a voice vote. Okay. Majority vote of the total membership being acceptable. Baker/ As opposed to what. Karr/ Unanimous or extraordinary. So a simple majority being the method. So can the motion then read a voice and a simple majority. Horow/ Sure. Lehman/ No problem. Karr/ Any further discussion. F01~394 --"""_4. , i , , I' I (! i I 1:! f I' , ~ II! II I'! . Iii IL (, I!' 'I": - :.i I' Ii ;.1 I \ i' I I: " " if I I , I , I 'I :1 :1 , , i I ,1 , \: " ~". ........ - I I I r ~ t !; I, {i II I: 'I' I i 1 ~ I I "l~- --~-- . .' .', r' ':- '.. " " "...:.., :""l '.,' ....'.. " .. , ' . 1 _ 1 ' ./ 1./ .', , .' '(....., , . , '. , , . 'I" , " . ' ", ' " .. . '" . ~ . '" . "--:., . / >'\, ':.,' ......-.------ #4 page 2 Pigott/ I was wondering if there was interest in sWitching the mayor pro tem and- Karr/ Could we decide on the method of voting first. All those in favor of voice vote and simple majority, say aye. (Ayes). Now, Mr. pigott. Pigott/ I guess I would like to talk a little bit about whether there was interest in switching voting for mayor pro tem first and mayor second. Nov/ For what purpose. Pigott/ I don't know what the purpose of voting for mayor first is as opposed to mayor pro tern and perhaps making the process go smoother. Nov/ In the past there has been tradition to do mayor first and mayor pro tern second. And I don't have any strong feelings about it but if you are going to say lets not do it the way we have traditionally done it, I want to know why you want to do it that way. Pigott/ I thought it would perhaps make the voting go well smoother and give us a different result if we did it one way as Opposed to another. I don't know. Kubby/ Could you be more specific. Pigott/ I know if it is appropriate to be more specific. Karr/ Would you like to make a motion and if you have a second put it to a vote to switch item #5 and #6 if you are so inclined. Pigott/ Sure I will make a motion to that. Baker/ I will second it. Karr/ Moved by Pigott, seconded by Baker to switch the order of items 5 and 6. Discussion. Baker/ I don't have any strong feelings one way or the other but if Bruno is more comfortable with that procedure and the others are neutral I would be glad to support it. Horow/ I find myself being neutral, too. I guess I just sort of fall into tradition and feel that the-item #5 sort of sets the feeling of the council. FOI0394 ~.'-'"'' .-.- I I i i I,' i I i: I, , ' 11 I, Iii II i ~ - ,i " , I, II: !' 'i 11 !: .. , Ii Iii (;: !; II It " Ii ~ " J.. ; , , :1 ~ , . ,', /', ,,:-;,: ',;, -{' f~t' . , ..., ' .' .,., " 'J. "" I " ., '-" , '" , . " . ,..,,' :', ",' ,'. -- . , / 0\ /' J >.. -1: -. - --' ......-.'---.. -, #4 page 3 Karr/ Further discussion. Throg/ I hadn't thought about it before and I don't have a clue what to think about it. Karr/ Are we ready to vote. Karr/All those in favor of switching items #5 and 6 say aye. (Ayes: Baker, Pigott) Opposed. (Ayes: Kubby, Nov, Horow) For the record then, ayes were Baker, pigott. Nays I know were Kubby, Nov, Horow. (No vote: Lehman,' Throg.) 2-3, Motion fails. If you would like to re-state it or- Pigott/ No. I know when I - "I FOI0394 i , ',~ . .........--..."..".,......."-.. I. "-,) .', -.-.-- I J' ! , , , 'I Iii " II Ii 'I . ~ ! 'II .. I 'Ii i) , I ! li. r . ". I. "1(: . ;,1. r; ",/- , ':1"1 'f II I 'I '.' . ",:' d ~ . ~". - - ~----...- --........~,;'.....----- ..........-...---- -...,~.... -.... _~ ....-..... I r'o \ . ' -' ,', " - .' -... ,','- , " 1 I' I ./ t "', . '(;.'.._ i/,~ ',,", '. ," \ . . \. , . , ~ 1\, . ,~. .' . I ,,,, , . " '.' , , - .I 1 ,I. #5 page 1 Karr/(#5) Nominations for the office of mayor of the City of Iowa City. Pigott/ I would like to nominate Karen Kubby for mayor of Iowa city. Karr/ Further nominations. Nov/ I would like to nominate Susan Horow. And I would also like to dispel a couple of rumors that are circulating and I know this may be a close vote. We have had rumors circulating that if we end up with a 4-3 vote for mayor we will have a council that can never work together. Just silly rumors floating around. And I would like to say that 4-3 votes do happen occasionally. It does not portend that the candidates will never speak to each other again. We expect to get along with each other. Okay. Another rumor going around is that Karen and I have had an arrangement that if I would vote for her for mayor she would wear my campaign button in the recent election. Neither Karen nor I had this arrangement and the first we heard of such an arrangement was via the rumor mill after the election. So on the basis of dispelling rumors hope that nobody is going to take any of this to heart and I do nominate Susan Horow for mayor. Karr/ Is there a second. Lehman/ I will second the nomination. Karr/ I have two nominations. moved by Pigott, seconded by Throg. to nominate Karen Kubby. Second one, Moved by Nov, seconded by Lehman to nominate Susan Horow. Are there further nominations. Second call for further nominations. NOV/I move that we close nominations. Throg/ Second. Karr/ Discussion. All those in favor. (Ayes) Okay. We will go in the order as nominated. Kubby/ I would like to make a few comments for discussion before we vote. There are, I guess, three things that I want to say. One is to touch upon what Naomi was saying as well as a couple of other points that since I have been Observing councils since '83 and have been involved with two selections processes for mayor since I have been on council FOl0394 I, ~ " II Ii .. II ,,, " T ,; :1 , , . " I I lJ' , I,: 'I II i , " :i I " I, I I I I I .11 I,' I' d I , ""If'''. - I , ! i' , ~: , I' " I) - '1------';" - -~..... \.& ,-' ...... -----------........----..-- ", " I' ,\. . " " .,:, r -' - - , . , G' I' t4 '/ t ,', , " I '" . ' , .' .. . ',' ,,.. .. '",','. . '. \ ~ ' , .' " , . . l . . l' ; ~ ,t-:~ '" ,.'. _...... \ ,,;...... '. I'" , / '1 --.--- #5 page 2 things have-the process for selecting the mayor has been really inexplicit and for me behind the scenes totally. And I have always felt very uncomfortable with that and as I stated before, when I made some objections to this process. People said well come up with something different so I gave to a suggested process that would be a balance of people being able to talk behind the scenes to feel comfortable to say what they need to say. But to also have some public process and I don't think it has been amazingly public but it has been more public and it has been more discussion than I have observed in the past. I really like this trend of discussion. There has also been some concerns raised that I would not be appropriate as mayor because I have an agenda and according to Webster an agenda is a list, an outline, or a plan of things to be considered to be done. And yes, I have an agenda. And I hope that all of you have agendas or else I don't really understand why people are here. We all have lists of things to do and general philosophies about how we believe the world should be and how it could be. And I have tried to be very clear as a council candidate and as a member of the city council to be very open and clear about my "agenda. II Having an outline of what you would like to see for the future should not be construed as a negative attribute. Articulating this does not also mean that anybody who articulates an agenda cannot run a fair meeting. And if any of you know me personally at all or have worked with me in any of the social service agencies that I belong to, their boards, you would know that I believe in a very well rounded fair process. Even if it is at the expense of a little bit of content. I also want to talk about this 4-3 split that could happen in that I really think the issues of whatever the vote is here today and how we are able to work together are two very separate issues. There is probably seven different philosophies of government around this table. There is probably seven different ways we think a group can work together optimallY. I hope that we really talk about those different philosophies so that we can find- some people want to do stuff a lot of behind the scenes. Some of us like to do everything in the public eye and at meetings and we are going to have to figure out a way to balance that out. And I think that that the Goal setting session is opportune time to do that. I guess at this point I would just like to ask if anyone has questions or concerns before we vote. , , i !i ~ i I I' I' " Ii I i, Ii, iI, I' I\' I!. Ii I', . I: I, I' .1 'II I,; II d I I) I \ I ; !I I I: Horow/ I appreciate your taking the time to make the statements, Karen. I certainly have talked to people. I was one who encouraged you to look into another forum but it seemed to me when you came back with that there weren't four people to support it. And so, for me, I am just as comfortable in FOI0394 i """,,,. - - ;: , , " , " ~ I' p j: {.' : r ~ , j l i I , ! ~ , ! ~ r '1 ~ - --~ -- ~ ~-, ....... ------~ -----~............... - - - -...,~.. ....-- F .. . r -. , . ." .' , f" ,-, :" tH' - '[ " ,", ' , ""(.., ,^ .I ;, .,,;,. , ." ~ . "- . 'j -" , ., .',., ; .:, -"", , 1 #5 page 3 talking on the telephone, talking with people personally and would encourage that in a council because I think among the seven of us it is this talking among us and going back and repeating that builds trust. It builds knowledge of where each of us is coming from. As you say, our own agenda. But it is our own agendas that has made me really think about this whole role of mayor and I see and believe very firmly that the role of mayor has to represent all seven people on those issues that we have come to a majority vote and I feel very strongly about that. Those groups in which I have been chair here in Iowa City and elsewhere I have found that I have had to divorce myself from my own personal opinions on these issues and make darn sure that I fairly represent each member on the committee so that they trust me. They know that when I am speaking, in the past, that it has been from an agreed upon position and that I wasn't out with my own agenda. So I see that because Iowa city is so diverse I see that as a very important role for the mayor. This crazy lovable city has people who have many different points of view. But it is we seven who have to bring those points of view, agree on an agenda, and then work with it. All of us being leaders. So I see the mayor's role as presider, ceremonial, and then this behind the scenes or in the public hearings or in smaller groups working to get us all leading Iowa city together. That is where I am coming from. Kubby/ My only concern about doing a lot of behind the scenes things is that when you call and say well Jim and Ernie said da, da, da, da, da. It goes through your mind and through your biases vs. here I can hear what Ernie is looking like and saying. I think that a discussion with everybody here is a lot different than a one on one with you being a hub or with the mayor. Horow/ But often times what I have found out in doing that in previous situations is that I can come up with questions that perhaps you have not thought of that Ernie thinks about it and it will trigger then me thinking about it differently, you thinking about differently and I think there is a good balance of public discussion and behind the scenes. I think that if we don't get a lot of the questions raised behind the scenes so that they are investigated and answered by staff at the meetings we are going to spend more evenings until midnight which I think are very counter productive. I have picked up the local joke going around Iowa city that nobody is worried about this 4-3 split. That we are not going to get anything done anyway because we are going to sit around and discuss it all of the time. I think it is up to us to work for a prooess that will get the discussion balanced. Behind the scenes and on the table. FOI0394 .. ill. , , , i: ! , I, ~ 1 I, I - ,I ,.' I I:' f, r i f: II I I,: i I I I " I l I I ! II i , , II/ Ii j fi , , ! i I i ! :i " ---"""---~ ~-J......- (.' , "...:;, ' ',- '-t "', ' , ,,' '.. "', D 1 'tg , " -- ',. , . ',', , '-', "I~I' , .' , , ", . . .. ~ . . ..' ' '; ,. t-:. "':, __. ,.~. , ~ " / , , 1 {. '_._._-~ j I, t r ~ #5 page 4 KUbby/ I think you and I agree on the ratio of behind the scenes and public discourse- Horow/ I feel very strongly about building relationships with people. Frankly, I think there are many times when a public discussion is not appropriate. It just isn't. Kubby/Hear me. I am not saying no behind the scenes. I am saying our ratio or the balance are the difference. Horow/ Well, anyway, this is where I am coming from. Throg/ I would like to make a comment and since I have written something I might as well use it. I have been impressed Susan with your energy, the experience that you have that is relevant to becoming mayor, and with your deep commitment to the city. I think that it is really quite apparent. And I embrace your intentions to seek out the opinions of other council members, of setting agendas, and talking about issues behind the scenes. I think it is appropriate to do that. And I have no doubt whatsoever that you will be a fine mayor. And even if the vote here turns out to be 4-3. Well, we even had a 2-3 vote just a minute ago. Nov/ We can't abstain on the next one. Throg/ I have also been deeply impressed with Karen's energy, with her dedication to informing other people about what is going on in the city and what is going on with regard to staff activities and with her desire to promote open debate about important issues. I think that is vitally important. At this particular point in time I think we need a mayor who will help us publicly debate controversial issues and I think that you would be able to do that in a very competent way. Further, I know that a large number of people in this city, I think a clear majority, would prefer to have Karen as mayor. So I intend to support her when it comes to the vote. But I do want to reiterate that no doubt that you will be a fine mayor if in fact it turns out that you get elected and I look forward to working with you if it works out that way. Horow/ Thank you. Pigott/ I would just like to add my second to Jim's remarks. I appreciate your openness, Susan, in the last few weeks and willingness to talk to me about why you want to be mayor and some of the concerns that I had regarding the role of the mayor. I just want to reiterate two quick points about why I think that mayor is an important role and why I will be FOI0394 r '., i I. ~ I; r; fi ,: ~ ,. f. ~ i ! I ......."<, '. -.-..... ._~ ;: : I , , Ii Iii , I I !! :i I: " J I: It r: , ;:: r - n jl. :' Ii' ii !: 'I ., 'i I' Ii I I' ,:1 I I I ! I I I II I 11 I Ii , " I ! , I I I I I I :i II ~-- ~-~---'"W\.... " , ; ,-,' ',: - ';.:.~ " ' .' " , :.;" I ".^ 'I ~:::f:o t71 ' ;i.. ' . ". " , " . - 1-'" " . . ,', .' '-- L'. , ' ..... . '.. . " -. -.,,..... . ~ , "1 , " ", ~, #5 page 5 voting for Karen. But why I think also that you will do, if elected, a fine job as mayor. I think the mayor's job is somewhat ceremonial. But two important aspects of a mayor's commitment is one-facilitating meetings and the facilitation role is very important and I have been impressed, since I have lived in Iowa City, with your ability to do that Karen and I have been happy to work next to you and see those skills from the other side of the podium as well and I am very impressed with that and I think that that is one the most important roles that the mayor could play. The second is setting an agenda and whether it is the agenda in the book that we receive every other Friday night. Or it is the direction the mayor would like to take out city. I share your vision in many aspects of that and I share the agenda items of many of which we share in common and so I just wanted to say that those are the reasons that I will be voting for you and Susan, I am sure that if you do get elected you will do a fine job in those areas as well. Horow/ Thank you. Karr/ Further discussion before the vote. Going in the order that is nominated we have a motion by Pigott, second by Throg nominating Karen Kubby. All those in favor for Karen Kubby for mayor say aye:(Ayes:Throg, Pigott, Kubby. Nays: Nov, Horow, Baker and Lehman). Second motion, moved by Nov, seconded by Lehman to elect Susan Horow mayor of the City of Iowa. All those in favor aye-Only one opposed and two no votes. Okay. Susan Horow is elected 4-1-2 no votes. Horow/ Why didn't you vote. Throg/ I was a little confused on the way the vote went so I was sitting there-I didn't say anything and you properly accounted for that as a no vote but I would be happy to make that a yes vote. Pigott/ I would be happy to switch my vote as well. Kubby/ I voted ay.e. Horow/ Oh, you did. Karr/ Okay. , , , . I :' , !:I . I, ~ 1, II; I" I' , 'I ,. I.. t 'j, I 1 I " I" - H 'i !: ,I " i': 1,1 II I I i, j I I I Ii 'I II f Horow/You voted yes or you voted no. Kubby/ I voted aye for you for mayor. FOI0394 I:i .- ~,'" ,", -"., ,,' '- " ~, ,'.", '-, I 't'-f / t ' -i... -,^ -- ~, _.. ' _ ,_ - c '., , , "" ',' t : . :1' _.", ~I tv ' , ' / f'\1 ~,. \ ""':::-:::.::-, -'---.... ~'- 15 page 6 Pigott/ I would be happy to switch that. Karr/ Okay, so-on the motion to swltch the votes then we have 5 votes aye. You are an aye? Throg/ Yes. Karr/ So it is a unanimous vote for Susan Horow. Horow/ Thank you. , , FOI0394 ,.; - I I, .) I I i i ':i ---'-. --- I , I !. I I, I, I I! I II ,I': ,I Ii (/ L ',\., i:,\ ' il '~ ;'1' ~: I J: II 'Ii IlL' Ii" 'I- I "if P ii, \t /,:_;. '1' .. , ' :' '" , I . . ,', / . ',., , - /- ' ." '.', ' , :""1' '. I' t7l ,',... .' ': -/, , " .r. I 4..:,; ~, . ., - ,- , .'v '." .', :' '.,' '-- .\~, '-" . NOMINATIONS FOR OFFICE OF MAYOR PRO TEM OF THE CITY OF IOWA CITY. !t' /t~ ~/&j;.l. MOTION TO CLOSE NOMINATIONS, Ih;/~ / ,:>-, .I ' :\' Agenda Iowa City City Council Organizational Meeting January 3, 1994 Page 2 Item No, 6 - !JflI _.~ -- Ji#; 7!1tv~~/ r aa~) $~ 1!J ( BALLOT OR VOTE. ~ OR ND MAYOR PRO TEM SWORN IN, Item No.7- Item No.8- MOTION FOR CITY COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS. Legislative Committee yO. 'l!Jd!1kr ~?' g t7/.e n~t?~) &~'-UI ,7Jd~-hU, 1~.tJ Rules Committee (2), 1kPr/J ~~ c. Emergency Management Commission (1). A'~ '~ . . .--. -.~... ..~~....--., -_..~... -_...-..~- ':'1 -.--. ._~ :' i ! i ':' I, i: 1. Iii II Ii ,I - " .I !I ij: ii /.; I: :i /1 " I 'I !;' II '{ II Iii " I,! ' I j r , I '1 ','1 , 'i i "'ff"". - - '1-----'" --:----~.... 411. :.-' ....... - ~. ..- - ... ..,~.... -.... ."- ... - " ~ ,',," '. '. ," . " .'; (, '- -' , " , , ,U,^ 'I,.' 'f; I '/l.,O,: ' ",,', ,', ,'j " , ", 7:r.', ,',v ..', ' " '..' : ,. _:, ',. ,<_.\ _. I / ! fo\ , I <, -. 16 page 1 Karr/(#6) Nominations for the office of mayor pro tem of the City of Iowa city. Pigott/ I would like to nominate Karen Kubby for mayor pro tem. Kubby/ Second. Karr/ It was seconded by Kubby. Other nominations. Horow/ I would like to nominate Naomi Nov. Baker/ Second. Karr/ Moved by Horow, seconded by Baker. Other nominations. Second call for nominations for mayor pro tem. I have a motion to close nominations. Horow/ So moved. Throg/ Second. Karr/ All those in favor of ceasing nominations say aye: (ayes). Okay. Voice ballot again going in order of as nominated. We have amotion by pigott, seconded by Kubby to elect mayor pro tem of Iowa City, Karen Kubby. All those in favor say aye: Horow- Horow/ Wait a minute, oh, you are doing the actual ballots. I am sorry~ Nov/ We need to all wake up. Karr/I have a motion on the floor: Moved by Pigott, seconded by Kubby to elect mayor pro tem Karen Kubby. All those in favor say aye. showing three: Throg, Pigott, Kubby. Opposed: showing four. Moved by Horow, seconded by Baker to nominated Naomi Nov for mayor pro tem. All those in favor say aye: Showing five, six, seven. Unanimous. 7~O electing Naomi Nov for mayor pro tem. Congratulations. FOI0394 -- ;' j I " i ( !I, Iii Ii ii II :! Ii: I 1\ I:i I'i ,I:!__ ' I: ) :'1 r: I\!I:; :i , I J I,:' , , ;i 4'1Jr ..",.,. , ' ',I. I - ---"'1~- ~--~:'-I....' - --- .'QIIII...------..------....--....,~.... -.... --- r" ~.., '. -'. - ." ..~'. , 1 1 ' t I' 't ',. , ' .' l'c:....'" ,,^, ,'-, ;/, " " , '" ' ,'.:, ,:'~ ~..'.' '_. ."/.. ,.,.\ I I,' :'' / I / 1,'\ " 1 ~" -. Agenda Iowa City City Council Organizational Meeting January 3, 1994 Page 3 f d, Johnson co~nty Council of Governments (5 + 2 alternates), ~ ht&) ~,n~ ~ 7k-rr:=1cI '-a.t1 ~ / &~ fltfMIdJ?1- e, Iowa City/Coralville Convention Bureau (1), J4~:~ f~ f, Committee on Community Needs Representative (1). ,1\ ir , r ! 'j , Ii I Ii I Johnson County Land Preservation & Use Commission (1). 'i') " t;" i ~; 1~ I; I~! It i I ,I, ' /,',' i' Item No.9. h, HACAP Board of Directors (1 + 1 alternate). ~1l4' ' (K.t/1f) fJ,C, ~...~~, -~ MOTION T6 ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION (Collective bargaining and land acquisition). tr;/~ Ma-J % . 6.',2'7 Item No. 10 - ADJOURNMENT. c~"IccomI.:l,~d KvMr ;/1 !.'to 1ft ~~~ I' , , " :\,; ,', "'ff"". _ ~"1---' --.-....-._... ~ ~. ........---~---- ...,~ ... --.....-~ ..-._~--......--- . , ' 'I ,', ;.' ~ .' jL!',' . :~~ /. ... fj ~ " ". " ," " ' 'l. _. , / I , . .;' " .~ #B page 'JJ Horow/ (#B) I have checked with some of you on these positions. On the Legislative Committee we have got four and I would like to see whether or not you are willing to change this number to three so we would not have to have a minute taker for each time we get together. Kubby/ Who are the four. Horow/ I was thinking of you, Naomi and Larry. Well, it would either be Jim or myself as a fourth person. Kubby/ I would be happy to step down and give information on issues that I know are coming up. I have four or five things that I would like to be involved in and would prefer not to do that. Nov/ I would be happy to do this with three and therefore meet more often and not having to have a minute taker means you could really get more done. Horow/ This committee has been kind of grumping along for the past-ever since. I , ! ! Kubby/ It has done nothing. Nov/ Would really like this to do more. Horow/ We would really like to get a little bit more active. I agree with Naomi, having more meetings is probably appropriate but having the minute taker for all of them- So I would entertain a motion to decrease the size of this committee by one. Nov/ I will move that we have a Legislative Committee composed of three members. :' Throg/ Second. Horow/ Okay. Any discussion. All those in favor (ayes). Great. So we have got three. Karen, you would really prefer not to be on it. Kubby/ You can always funnel information. Horow/ Larry would you be willing to be on it. Jim, would you be willing to be on it. Throg/ I hadn't really thought about it but I think the answer would be yes. Horow/ Okay. Good. FOI0394 "^'.'.'..,.t,.. - i' il: " I 'I I, il " I: I " " I" I I: ~ , 1,1 Ii II I I II , II ,,, :I; 1\ I' ,.J ,.' f; , '.1: J 'I '! I' ; :i ! I r, I 1 ~ . , , , l ~' ,:-," "'I' ':td' " i~}, ", ", "" ,,' ,'(..;..,,;., ... , rV, I .,. ":. _ I' ,'j' ~ 8." I , / / /,\ " 1 ~, , , .--'-, "-" - -~........._----~.. #8 page ~ Kubby/ Instead of taking these one on one could we at first do this a little more informally to see what people are interested in doing and actually I would really like the new people to have the first crack at some of these things. Horow/ I had talked to bruno about them and I hadn't gotten a chance to talk with Jim. Bruno would you still be interested in the Emergency Management. Karr/ Who is the third appointment to the Legislative Committee. Horow/ Jim, Larry and Naomi. Karr/ Thank you. Pigott/ Also are there a number of committees that you are limited to participating on or not. Horow/ There isn't but I think it would be helpful if we all looked at them and kind of reshuffled them in our mind. Just letting everybody take as active a part in being council members. Nov/ We would just like to encourage everybody to do something on these committees. If you say you want to (can't hear). Pigoot/ If I could just express a couple fo preferences right off. I would be most interested in JCCOG and CCN. But if there are strong feelings about others then I would- Kubby/ I am the current CCN representative but it would be fine because you are more connected to them than I now because of your recent work there. Horow/ This has never been actually a committee. This was something Karen originated and asked to be on it. Kubby/ It was there as long as the committee has been there. Yeah, but it was just by default not happening. When I was on CCN the council member rarely was there. The position was there and I kind of revived it but it is really irrelevant. Also be happy to give it up. Nov/ I would like to add the Johnson County Resource Enhancement and Protection committee to the list. I am currently a member of that and I would be happy to let somebody else do that one. Horow/ While we are still on JCCOG, Naomi you have been just elected chair. FOI0394 '[ i . I I . ,.......,.....,",~...," ...... ,'. ,"'.-, .' -"," ~" .'. " , h_..... ._~ I I I ii I I I. I I I " Ii ! . i '1 i , , Ii I " Ii' ! " 'l' " Ii I, Ii i ., i' n i Ii I' , I I;' I I.. :1 ,', II I: ' h. ! , i' I i I I II ') , i , - il \., " I \, ~ , I "'~-""d',i''',.;.. I .' '. ' . , , ',', ", '. 'f ,..... ~~ _ ~' I, " :-, J : I" t I I' '[' , , ' .'" ,', , " , j'(...." "^..- "" I. . - i' ~ _.' " . . . .. -.\ \ ~ / ,>" , '1 ,j: \." . " '-, --..-.-----... #8 page J Novl I am definitely on that one. Throg/ I would very much like to be a part of that. LehmanI So would I. Horowl We have already got Ernie on here in terms of I ask him whether he would go for ECCOG and JTPA. I have got him on there. I would like to stay on that. Kubbyl I would like to stay on JCCOG. Horowl I would, too. Kubbyl Traditionally I thought the mayor was not on JCCOG. Horow/ That was just a self. I looked into that one. That was a self stated preference. Kubby/ Can't have six people. Horowl Jim are you at all interested in the Johnson County Land Preservation or the REAP Committee. Throg/ I am much more interested in JCCOG but I suppose I would have some interest in either of the other two. Horow/ You have a fax in terms of what the Land Preservation and Use Commission is. This will not take a lot of time- Karr/ No. You are the only one who received it. Horow/ Oh, all right. I had Charlie Duffy fax me information about this. This was created by the state about ten years ago with a budget of $2,000 and was staffed through JCCOG eventually. It looks at the use of agricultural land township by township and there was a report written in terms of the evaluation fo the agricultural lands and how they should be changed. It is now time for that to be reevaluated. And in terms of moving towards the year 2000 and our relationship with the county I think it is very appropriate that it is reevaluated. Nov/ Is this really going 0 define future land use. Horowl Certainly in Johnson County it makes the recommendations for future land use, yes. I don't know. I thought of you I must say. Kubby/ Can we go back to the JCCOG thing. We have six people who FOI0394 -.-"'" "'- , , , , ,.. ~ I' I Ii i I: II: I: , I; :1 III Ii ij' I, I, ~ II I'i II " I, I !1 " Ii .'1 I . t h. I "11(". - .- "" -" ~-... ~ ..~....." ~ ---. ...- - , ,'. :-,'.~ I' , L4' ':tl~ '. ,.... ,.. ", ", ", " . ','(.;;., :'.'. " ~v . .". . , '.' ' . ,..-- .' 1 .. . . . .' '. ", .- / / >j ;, :,' . - -~ ..... --------. #8 page /)1/- are interested. Naomi should not have to apply. Horow/ We also have to have two alternates. Nov/ I kind of a given on that one. Throg/ Why don't we simplify that. I will take your suggestion and go with the land Preservation. Baker/ so, Jim and I would get the alternates. Horow/ You two, then, are the alternatives for JCCOG. That includes ECCOG. It is essentially any elected official. Baker/ Also you and I talked about this HACAP board of directors if you need someone. I would be interested in that. Either the rep or the alternate. Horow/ Okay. Kubby/ I am on the HACAP Board and that kind of means you are on the Johnson County and it takes you like five years to understand what is going on. They have like 16 different FYs. It is unGodly. We meet once a month plus the county and I have been doing a lot of facilitation with the board so I would be kind of interested in staying on. Baker/ The alternate is alright. Kubby/ Once in a while I can't make it. Baker/ Do they meet on a regular schedule. Kubby/ The forth Thursday. Horow/ Okay, Bruno, you wanted to be appointed on the CCN. Did you have another burning desire. Pigott/ I didn't express one to you earlier but it would be interesting to be involved with the Convention Bureau. I would do-you suggested the Emergency Management Commission. I would be happy to do that. Horow/ I think you would be pleasantly surprised with this one. This appears to be a sleeper but it isn't. And what it does is you get to enter into relationships with other jurisdictions in the county. I have always enjoyed this one. I would like to be on the CVB following the previous mayor.. I think that and ICAD and Chamber of Commerce are kind of the pulse of getting feedback on what is going on to FOI0394 ........."."..,.........,,'...., "'....,.-.,.".. ..-..... ,,+- ! I 'I I' I! I i I " !l il I il ij: f I I' i 'i i I 'I , I" , f ! J)' I' t .r I I 1;[ I I 1 , I t' J ! ~ " t 11 : ; , , , \'.. " "'1('''. - ~ 1 ! , I L , " - ""1--"'~ ~-- ~ ..-,'...... ----- -- ~....-..-- - --,~- rf" . .. r" ,; '.:...'. "',':,-:-1"--1'" '..:" :~', ,,', .' -:::' . ' ' ,d'" .^ 1 ' .t_ '''. "'~,, . , , ':. ',' , 'I " , '. " , . " . " " r . ~ ,.... : -. / I,' " ,:' 1 '~.. ~- - "- '-- #8 page ~ tJ help us a little bit more understand. Kubby/ I would really like us to spread those out because of that reason so that different people may get different kinds of feedback and that since kind of automatically you are on the ICAD Board and Chamber Board I would like someone else to be on the CVB to get that diversity of people out there on those types of issues so it is not concentrated with one person. Horow/ That is interesting because I was thinking about the same thing on CCN. I would like to know if Larry would do CCN. Baker/ I would be glad to do it but Bruno has- Pigott/ Tell you what. I would but you know what. If it is a thing that is really a burning thing for you. I have been on the committee so I know how it operates and I know hat you are interested. I would be happy to give that up. Lets say I would be interested as well just for the heck of it for the interest and knowledge that I haven't got on the CVB. That is where I want to be. Horow/ The only thing that concerns me is your availability. I don't know when you meet and I don't know- Nov/ They meet in the afternoon. Baker/ The met in the mornings a long time ago. Lehman/ When I was on their board they did. Pigott/ Is it once a month. I could do it. Horow/ Why don't we try it. If it works out that you can't I will certainly substitute for you. Larry, would you mind taking CCN. Nov/ It is always easy to find somebody to do it. If they happen to meet on a day that you can't do it just call me or somebody else. You can always send a SUbstitute. I just don't want us to ever get into a position where you can't do it and you don't find a substitute. other people have done that. Pigott/ I would be happy to call around and find a substitute if I can't. Horow/ What about the REAP committee. FOI0394 -_0_--. __~ : I i ,I j> IIi III: ,I I: it ~ .. l':,: . fd Iii II I I , I I ti, 'I'!- " I h i." :,' f! I.: I" {, i /,:11 i ,......._.~.....,J.,....~..," . ", \: . '~. .. . .' ," .'. " '4'" -t " ',' ',' '-, ,I.., '" . '.i....I, :^ 1 ',. ,""':" " " ,: ,'.' , , ' I ' ' " < . , . .', ,'.. '.,. -. / ,""1 <. #8 page~" Nov/ I think I have done that for a number of years and it would be good to give somebody else the experience if we can find a volunteer who would like to do it. Horow/ REAP Committee. How often does it meet. Nov/ It meets kind of on a as needed basis. The focus of it is how much money is the state going to allow for REAP and otherwise you get to the point of evaluating individual applications. If there are applications from Johnson County they want the committee from Johnson County to comment on those applications. Anyone who is interested in commenting on the applications or commenting on the state allocations of money or that sort of thing and hey don't meet absolutely every month. They have been meeting on Thursday evenings. Lehman/ Do they send meeting notices. Nov/ Oh, yeah. And I have said don't decide to meet next year on Monday or Tuesday.Otherwise I didn't put any restrictions on it. Horow/ Karen, did you have some other- Kubby/ Well, I am currently the city's representative on the Onsite waste Water Management district. The septic tank committee and I would like to stay on that. Nov/ I forgot about that one. It is a good one. Kubby/ I would like to stay on that committee. Horow/ Is this a state committee or a Johnson County pUblic- Kubby/ The Department of Health requested a city representative a couple of years ago. A year and a half ago because we were making some determination about septic tanks in the city and districts that were happening right outside of the city limits. Horow/ Okay. So you want to stay on that one. Baker/ Sue, when would it be appropriate to discuss the possibility of additional committee. Horow/ I don't mind this at all. The previous council went ballistic when you talked about additional committees. Baker/ There might be groups out there that we might talk about. The Neighborhood Association network that is developing. A FOI0394 '~II - I. . ii I Ii II ii Ii. Ii I'.' '1 .1 (- I: I, ' :i t<,- jl !: I 'II' I" I :' ! :I II ' '1 i~ , Ii "- "'IIf"". - j , " ....".....".... \, - ..,-----.;,.- --~...-\.& ~~.'1.1....- --- ..-- - -!~.. ,. ',\ ~. '-'. --" ' ,'.' ", ,,'. 'I' 'I' 14 1 t ,.', " . . ". i~ . ,.;. · &..' . , ',-: ',,' "-;: .' '..... ~"""f " ,'. : ;'. . / /''] ,t.- "-., "-:":::" "--...------. #8 page"1 formal council representative to that and something having to do with student representation. student government or something like that. University student groups. So I would like to formulate a little bit more precisely but r think those are two groups out there that- pigott/ If we can throw in just another idea. The ADA thing. Again maybe we can have someone who meets with those groups and with the Chamber. So sort of a representative expert on ADA. Kubby/ I really like the idea of a University connection. I now that in the past informally I met with the- i forget the name of the student group who was the city issues group of student senate. Baker/ I did that when I was on before and I couldn't get the council at that time to sort of formalize that arrangement. Throg/ I think it is a terrific idea. Baker/ I will volunteer. Horow/ Okay. You volunteer and see if we can get what we need to do to formalize it. Kubby/ Then it would go to the rules committee. Horow/ Which is what I want to get us back to. Kubby/ I would do that. Horow/ I would really like to work with you on that. I think we have done it. Karr{ I am sorry I didn't catch what you have done. Horow/ Start at the top: Legislative Committee: Naomi and Larry and Jim Rules committee: Sue and Karen Emergency Management: Bruno JCCOG: Bruno, Naomi, Karen, Ernie, Sue Larry and Jim are the alternates. Coralville CVB: Bruno CCN: Larry Land Preservation: Jim HACCAP: Karen with Larry the alternate. REAP: Ernie septic Tank Committee: Karen Kubby/ Onsite Waste Water Management District. And I have a FOI0394 - , ! l I, [; I> I: i l.> " 1: I ;'; " I r !! I II I J ': ,I :! , i ~ .....', ..,....'.,..,'" ~...... ~ -;. .......- - --.. r.: ' . ,- ' '" ~ 'L'-1 I':,: ,",,", -, ' ',:', . '''',d. .^ 1 ' . "'"-0: " I .- . . ~ ;.!,U ' . I' '.: . '-.: .,,, .... ~ .f ." I / i, ~'" , 1 [ '-'. #8 page ~~ letter that needs to be written to HACCAP. It needs to be written by the 15th. It says who the alternate is. Karr/ Okay. Horow/ This isn't a council committee but I am on the ECCOG Solid Waste Management Technical Advisory Committee. Since I have got like four or five years on it I might as well, if you wouldn't mind. I will see. I am not the ECCOG rep and- Kubby/ Are you the city rep. Horow/ I am exofficial for ECCOG. Karr/ So it isn't a council committee then. Horow/ It isn't a council committee. Nov/ If you are not ECCOG not somebody else might- Horow/ We have Neighborhood Association which iG open and ADA which is open. Why don't we investigate these and take them to the Rules Committee to determine how they should be structured. Karr/ And then what about the status of the student representative committee. Horow/ It was Larry and he was going to look into it. So there is the Neighborhood, the Student and the ADA that we are going to look into and bring to the Rules Committee and bring back to council. Kubby/ There are a few other issues that were organization in nature that we have kind of talked about either in the last two years since we have had this meeting or in the last six months. One of them is something that Larry had talked about, that I have talked about, that Bruno has talked about. About the possibility of either rotating our informal or our formals to different locations around town. It might be more feasible to do the informal since they are not televised. But the other issue is televising the informal. And I don't know tonight is the time to talk about all fo these things but I guess I wanted to talk. Baker/ bring it up tomorrow night at the council. Horow/ I think it is an excellent thing to bring up. The rotating the informal. I would go for rotating the informal. I think rotating the formals would be just be more difficult. F010394 Ll ~__.l_ ---.... '--.- u.... I; \ , III I' .I Ii 'I if. I! ,I if' il: r i ; :1 " i h' III " ',! I I: I " I d , I ! I; 11 ./ ,:, ;i ~ . , .".... , , . ~ (" ,', ",.. '8 " f " ..' ~ , t' ,", '" ", ~ -' I,d, ,^ 1 ',.. ,', 7]' , " ;,: :"', " . ' .' -.c, ,~ ,...... _ , , ' " 1 )~. - n___ #8 page.~ Nov/ I would think we ought to consider televising the informal. Kubby/ W have talked about it before and in a certain way it is a budget item and maybe-there was a small memo that Bob Hardy got us it said. It would cost us a $1,000 and some equipment and $4,000 and I don't know if those estimates are back but could we revive that memo and make sure everybody has a copy of that for the budget discussions. That seems like a good time to talk about it. Horow/ It is going to be interesting. I would like us to discuss this. I have mixed motions about televising the informal. I really do. I have been pUShing for it and against it. Throg/ There are both ways of making the process more open to pUblic viewing. So rather than thinking of them as either ors we could think of them as part of the menu of ways in accomplishing that. Baker/ I have problems with televising every informal meeting. I am not sure that we need to do that but certainly there are many meetings that ought to be (can't hear) Horow/ There might be another alternative. Kubby/ On the other, just a thing that has been brought up a couple of times is moving the item on the agenda that is pUblic discussion to before P/Z instead of after. And there are pros and cons to doing that. Just seems that this is the time to talk about that too since we are talking about how to organize and how we do things. Throg/ I had a slightly different way of thinking about that. Maybe it is consistent with what you had in mind. My sense is a member of the audience for a long time and then as a member of the council is that there are clearly some items that we can see in advance that are going to attract a large number of people. Can't we move those two or three items up whether they are P/Z items or whether they are public discussion or whatever they are. Kubby/ Because we could make a motion to move _ Horow/ I guess I would ask the City Clerk is there a reason for the way the agenda is structured right now. Karr/ The reason is we have a resolution stating that that was the interest of the council at the time to structure the agenda. We certainly can amend or do a new resolution with a new order. But going back to Jim's suggestion I might say F010394 .'..."...,.. '., ---.... .-. I, , , , ~ j' II II I! )11 'i: r: - I~ I,' - , : , j, i: , . , , , '. I, "! I i f II,i, :i -........ ~ ,,~.'-,...- ~. .....- - - -- - -r~ .... - -' .... -~.~.....,- \ . ,'", 1'" \. , . f ,,' '. . , .' " -, 1 ,i-I -t ',.. -," '" ' . "j"i..,; ,,^ t_ '. "1 , " " " . . " "1:-'. '~:' .~'. -.: '" , _.' . ,l~ 'r \.. ' , '. , , " , / .' I, , , ~. . #8 page .10 too. council always has the option on any given night, just as this evening, to put amotion on the floor and move it out of order and not rely on a resolution to depict the order. So I think you have to decide do you wish to deal on one meeting basis and CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 94-1 SIDE 2 Karr/ To be left there and just the discretion at council to switch any order and I think they are two very different issues that accomplish perhaps the same but on an individual- Kubby/ I don't think so. I think the issue of having the public discussion be first thing on the agenda puts the pUblic first and no people with specific issues. Horow/ In addressing Jim's- Yeah, we got tow different things here. , ! , ;: I, ~ I Iii I , i I , Ii. !: " " IiI I: p n Ii .. " " I,' Iii !.: .. 'I I,: I, I' .I :1 I I Ii ' I 'I I, I Kubby/ What I was talking about was changing the resolution because that I think your form reflects your value of moving that resolution but not denying the opportunity to switch any specific agenda we would know we are going to have a lot of people. Karr/ I can also relay a little bit of background on that resolution and that was the feeling at that time and it is not a new resolution. It is an old one certainly times have changed. But the feeling at that time was one that there were a number of developers, attorneys who quite frankly were sitting in the audience waiting and were being paid on a hourly basis and that the thought process was let's take care of these folks first and many times many of the people in the audience were also there for subdivisions and P/Z items. So I think you are going to hear an argument perhaps from some of the developers or some of the neighborhoods that they would wish to be at the front end of the meeting for the same reason that they would like to come and not stay for the rest of it. I think there is that. Kubby/ zoning (can't hear) usually takes more time. sometimee public discussion is very long. Like the Melrose, we cold also ask of them if you are going to have a long presentation during pUblic discussion could you wait. More often than not pUblic discussion is very- Horow/ We could limit each person to five minutes. This has not been enforced. It has not even been instigated in previous years. It is done on P/z commission. If you coach and F010394 d , - .- ~. ~ - '1 _ 9\...... , r' ,': ':':' ',' ,: 1 .: ,I-" " f-:"t' , " ' ----:-.', .' ',w.'. .:^ "."_ . &";,,, ,".:.' '; I' ...:;.: ":'.,,', . \ .' ~"... '. , .~~~~'. "f . ' ,'/1 /'1 -',,'. ---"--- #8 page .1' point of the people giving testimony is done within the five minutes. And that allows other people to get their two cents worth in rather than having a long monologue. I think there is a couple of ways of doing this. pigott{ I would be interested too in moving the public discussion period up further because I think that Karen pointed out something good that indeed often times we come to council meetings and the chamber is relatively empty except for staff and some of the developers or people that have concerns about a specific issue. So that the public comment period is very short. In addition to that the public who do come down to the chamber often times don't know when it is going to occur. So often times they miss the chance and these other people are being paid to wait. l ! ! I Horow{ I looked at that from two ways, though. Pigott{ That is why I think-they are being paid to wait. Then the public who is paying our bills should be here first. Lehman{ It would seem to me if- we could have a fairly workable option if we had public discussion first and limit it to a certain amount of time and then readjourne it to be taken place after the rest. So most of the time you would be through in plenty of time. But the few times you couldn't be you could finish it up after the rest of the- pigott{ So, in other words, you would give five minutes to each person and if some of those people have concerns that take up more than the five minutes after the council has adjourned there is another public comment period. Lehman{ Just allow so much time up front. Half hour, a half hour. They use it, fine. If they don't they, you go to the rest of the meeting. pigott{ That is interesting. Baker{ You are talking about the public discussion period for things not on the agenda. Pigott/ That is correct. Baker/Move it up front and if somebody is here- Nov{ I have no objection to moving the public discussion things that are not on the agenda. I do have some concerns about moving something from the end of the agenda to the beginning because that agenda was published. Somebody who really F010394 '- Jj- t'; ~ .' J I: II d i: ' " II' I, .' /1 :1 , ri . .' , 1,- [I I' " , I' I !j I I I;! I , , , I ;1 I i II I ! I I " ,: \ , . 'I ,i .. " .! " "ff"". - .....' - '" - -.:-~--- , , ' . I.' (',' ',,":",', :,~ 1 ' U ,I~l ,0::' ,,' " . ~ " I~' " .' 7;,-, .' ': f U . ' I '- , ' , I ,~ ' . \, ~ I ... .,,' I ; -" . / , /.,\ " 1 I, '.. . ~---'-''''-----. #8 page IllI'). wanted to talk about that knows that they don't have to show up for the first hour. Kubby/ So you are talking about if there is something at the end of the agenda that if we knew a lot of people- that it could (can't hear) Nov/ I don't like the ad hoc moving around because the agenda is published ahead of time. I do not object to saying public discussion items not on the agenda should come at the beginning. Baker/ Very often you can anticipate where the public discussion is going to be and arrange your agenda accordingly ahead of time and publish it accordingly. It may not work out that way. Throg/ The pesticide ordinance will get some attention. Karr/ If you stick to the resolution , the resolution does not allow staff that discretion of knowing at one time or another. It gives you an order. Now if you would like us to resurrect the resolution and take a look at the wording. But it doesn't- Baker/ When you pu things on the agenda, is it first come, first serve. Karr/ Are you talking P/z item. No. There is the settings of the p.h.s. There are the p.h.s. And then there are the ordinances and resolutions. We certainly could keep that in mind when structuring within itself. All that the resolution says is P/Z items, period. I don't believe it goes into the detail of the order within itself. Horow/ Throg. Jim do you have anything. Throg/ I am sensing that we seem to want to move those major items up but that it might take some time to figure out exactly how to do it...go through the Rules Committee. Karr/ We can resurrect the resolution. Throg/ Maybe that would be a wise thing to do is to defer that part of my suggestion to the Rules Committee. Horow/ I think that too. Why don't we get a copy of the original resolution and have us take a look at that and then corne up with some options and get back to council. FOI0394 __h... .'__ , I ! I: II I: ': " II :! :I: Ii /l I: ,I (j' I 1:1 I,~ I' \! ! I] , I I , I Ii I Ii , , ' " _____ -~~~ ~~ ._~-w ~ .._.'_~"'___---__ ......._ ..........' , '.,' I _, I...', ,'. I '-. - - " f-t .' ',,' , ,.' ,U'., j~.:;L',:",l/' ,,:' ;' :,'" , ., I . ' . 1 ' '.' "o" ., . ,._~ -. .~ ,j.. , . -.- ~ . / /~ 4." , ". ---'-, -_.~...-- --......., #8 page I", pigott/ Can we in the mean time however move the public discussion period up before because that seems to be not controversial. Kubby/ But we would have to change the resolution. But it seems that there is agreement to do that. Nov/ For tomorrow I think we have to stick with it. We can change the resolution the next time. Horow/ My understanding tomorrow by a motion to take the public discussion period out of its normal text we could change it even tomorrow. Kubby/ I prefer not to. Naomi's-if people now. Horow/ Leave it the way it is tomorrow. And we will work on this and get back to you. Kubby/ I think we should do a press release about it. Horow/ After we have made the decision, right. Karr/ So it could be two meetings by the time the Rues Committee meets and makes a recommendation to council and they act on a resolution. So you might have two meetings under your belt. Kubby/ You are going to talk about rotating informals tomorrow night so we can talk about it more then. And then the televising informals we can talk about during budget time. And we will get that memo again about costs. Horow/ Anybody else have any other issues that they wish to bring up. Okay. F010394 ~ "\:",-.;" , . ~ -----. --- , II I', 11 I II! , I r - I 'I 'I Ii If 1" 1\ I: :1 - 1\ 'Ii: i" 1:\ h ,. 'I , I 1], I , ,J I , I, "I." 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