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IOWA CITY CITY COUNCIL
AGENDA
REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING OF JANUARY 18, 1994
7:30 P.M.
COUNCIL CHAMBERS, CIVIC CENTER
410 EAST WASHINGTON
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REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. JANUARY 18, 199,\ ,LI
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COUNCIL CHAMBERS ;f.a,Jt.Cuv
ITEM NO.1. CALL TO ORDER.
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ITEM NO. 2., MAya;'~'PROCLAMATIONS + I'Mt)(.. II{.-tr~ /9t.u> ae'f~
a. Water Watch Year' 1994. 1
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b. Martin Luther King, Jr., Racognition Day - January 17, 1994.
ITEM NO.3. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS PRESENTED OR
AMENDED.
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a. Considar approval of Official Council actions of the special meetings of
January 3 and 6, 1994 and of the regular meeting of January 4, 1994,
as published, subject to corrections, as recommended by the City Clerk.
b. Minutes of Boards and Commissions.
(1) Planning and Zoning Commission meeting of December 16, 1993.
(21 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting of January 3, 1994.
(3) Broadband Telecommunications Commission meeting of December
15,1993.
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(4) Senior Center Commission meeting of November 15, 1993.
(5) Board of Adjustment meeting of December 8, 1993. I:
Board of Library Trustees meeting of December 16, 1993.
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(7) Mayor's Youth Employment Board meeting of December 1, 1993.
(81 Parks and Recreation Commission meeting of December 15,
1993.
(9) Historic Preservation Commission meeting of December 14, 1993.
c. Permit Motions and Resolutions as Recommended by the City Clerk.
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(11 Considar a motion approving a Class "C" Liquor License for Inn Ho
Shimm dba Aoeshe Restaurant, 624 S. Gilbert St. (Renewal)
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(2) Consider a motion approving a Class "C" Liquor License for Carlos I
O'Kelly's of Iowa City, Inc., dba Carlos O'Kelly's Mexican Cafe, i
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Grunts, Inc., dba R.T.'s, 826 S. Clinton St. (Renewal) f
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Horow/(#l-After Roll Call)
I would like to ask council' s consideration this evening
before we begin if they would agree to move items 19 & 20 on
the Pesticide ordinance forward after public Discussion and we
would allow the public Discussion to include discussion about
the pesticide ordinances. Is council agreeable to that. (Yes)
Then I would like to play upon your agreement right noW and
see if we can move #14 right after that. That is the CEBA
Grant. The gentlemen who are here to discusS this are going
to be driving back to Chicago this evening and I wouldn't want
to drive all the way to Chicago this evening. Are you
agreeable to that as well.
Throg/ will there be an opportunity for people in the public to-
Horow/ Yes, but it would be when we take that up. In other words,
it would not be under public Discussion.
Gentry/ May I have some clarification. Are you moving the item up
or just the discussion.
Horow/ I am moving the items 19 & 20 up after public Discussion has
taken place, which includes 19 & 20. But then after that is
finished, moving #14 up and within the context of after the
motion has been put on the table, having the discussion take
place among us as well as if they would wish to present
something. NoW I am looking at you. Is that acceptable.
Gentry/ Yes. I just wanted to make sure you were going to have the
discussion of the item and the action for 14.
Horow/ Yes.
Gentry/ And then discussion and action for 19 after.
Horow/ No. 19 & 20 come before 14.
Baker/ If our desire is to get these gentlemen back to Chicago
wouldn't we put them up first and then 19 &20.
Horow/ We have had a lot of people come for the pesticide this
evening.
Baker/ This one would be a lot shorter than the pesticide.
Gentry/ But you are going to have action after they speak.
Horow/ Yes.
Gentry/That is cool.
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Pigott/ So we are doing what first.
Horow/ We are doing #5, then 19 & 20, then #14. Thank you very
much.
Karr/ Can we have a motion to that effect.
Horow/ (Kubby/pigott) Thank you. All those in favor signify by
saying aye (ayes). Thank you.
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Horow/ (#2a) I, Susan Horow, Mayor of the city of Iowa City, Iowa
do proclaim the year of 1994 to be Water Watch year in Iowa
City and we encourage citizen participation in educational
activities and public dialogue on the importance of protecting
our water resources here in Iowa city. Is there someone here.
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Lou Licht/ I would like to pass these out. Just briefly. It is a
pleasure to be here and to invite us all to participate on
February 15 with a community drink and perhaps it sound a
little frivolous but it is really a kick off for a year where
we as a growing group hope to coordinate activities already
planned and further planned activities where we look at water
and try to understand it and try to debunk myth and try to
understand its science, its politics, and what water is. And
we have two events already in February. On the 15th there is
a Water cycle and You conducted by the Iowa DNR and the U. of
Iowa Department of Geology. And February 27 a family tour of
the Coralville Dam. so, look for this and we will be doing
more. But it is a pleasure and thank you very much for the
proclamation.
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Agenda
Iowa City City Council
Regular Council Meeting
January 18, 1994
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(4) Consider a motion approving a Class "C" Beer Permit for Clyde R.
Seaton, dba Seat9n's Cash & Carry Market, 1331 Muscatine Ave.
IRenawal)
(5) Considar a motion approving a refund for an unused portion of a
Class "C" Liquor license for Gasthaus, Inc., dba Jirsa's, 819 1st
Ave.
(6) Consider a motion approving a refund for an unused portion of a
Class "C" Liquor License for Charlie's East, LTD., dba Carol J's,
1578 1 st Avenue.
(7) Consider a resolution issuing a Dancing Permit to R.T.'s - 826 S.
Clinton St.
d. Setting Public Hearings.
(1) CONSIDER SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR FEBRUARY 1,
1994, ON AN ORDINANCE ADOPTING A T AP.ON FEE FOR THE
NORTHWEST SANITARY SEWER.
Comment: Section 33.3 of the Code of Ordinance of the City of
Iowa City, Iowa, authorizes the City to adopt and Implement
project-specific tap-on fee ordinances to provide for the equitable
apportionment of costs associated with extension of public
utilities. The City is proposing to establish a tap-on fee for the
Northwest Sanitary Sewer, a trunk sewer serving the northwest
area of the City within the Clear Craek drainage basin.
. e., Motions.
(1) Consider a motion to approve disbursements in the amount of
$7,331,646.55 for the pariod of December 1 through December
31, 1993, as recommended by the Finance Director subject to
audit.
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Resolutions.
(1) CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO SIGN
AND THE CITY CLERK TO ATTEST THE RELEASE OF A RENTAL
REHABILITATION LIEN REGARDING A RENTAL REHABILITATION
LOAN FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 314 S. GOVERNOR STREET,
IOWA CITY, IOWA.
Comment: The owners of the property located at 314 S.
Governor Street received a $7,000 rental rehabilitation loan from
the City on Dacember 19, 1986. Under the terms of the loan
agreement, $4,200 of the loan has been forgiven. The belance of
the loan ($2,800) was paid off on January 11, 1994, and can
now be released.
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Regular Council Meeting
January 18, 1994
Page 3
(2) CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO SIGN
~4' 13 AND THE CITY CLERK TO ATTEST A SUBORDINATION AGREE.
'I: MENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF IOWA CITY AND HILLS BANK
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AND TRUST COMPANY FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1531
PLUM STREET, IOWA CITY, IOWA.
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:' contacted by Hills Bank and Trust Company requesting that the
, City approve a Subordination Agreement for the owner at 1531
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'1 Plum Street. On July 9,1993, the owner of 1531 Plum Street
, received $2,180 in the form of a Conditional Occupancy Loan
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Trust Company proposes to loan the owner $60,000. The
appraised value of the property is $77,500, which provides .
adequate security to protect the City's interest as a second lien i ~
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(3) CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO SIGN " . ii
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BANK AND TRUST COMPANY FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 436
OAKLAND AVENUE, IOWA CITY, IOWA. , "
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Comment: The City's Housing Rehabilitation Program. was I I,;
contacted by Iowa State Bank and Trust Company requesting that Ii
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the City approve a Subordination Agreement for the owner of 435 !'i
Oakland Avenue. On January 12, 1990, the owner of 435 I
Oakland Avenue received $3,000 in the form of a Conditional I
Occupancy Rehabilitation Loan through the City's Housing I I
Rehabilitation Program. On September 26,1991, the amount of I ,
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the loan was amended to $2,640. Iowa State Bank and Trust I ,
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Company proposes to loan the owner $62,400. The appraised
value of .the property Is $78,000, which provides adequate
/ security to protect the City's interest as a second lien holdar.
(4) CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO SIGN
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AGREEMENT FOR WATER MAIN EXTENSION FOR ROCHESTER
HEIGHTS SUBDIVISION. I
Comment: A Water Main Extension Agreement dated August 30, I
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1 983, obligated the owners of land now known as Rochester I
Heights Subdivision, Lots 1 . 20 to pay a portion of the cost for i
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Installing the water main to serve that property. The subdivider, ,
E.L.H., Ltd., paid the extension fee on May 2, 1991, but a release I
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was not issued at that time. The lack of a recorded release has I
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given risa to a title objection. This resolution authorizes release I
of the Water Main Extension Agreement.
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Regular Council Meeting
January 18, 1994
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(51 CONSIDER RESOLUTION ACCEPTING WORK FOR THE SOUTH
SYCAMORE SANITARY TRUNK SEWER PROJECT.
Comment: This project was completed in December of 1993 at
a total cost of $564,256.80. Problems with easement acquisition
and poor weather caused considerable delay in the completion of
this project. See attached Engineer's Raport.
g. Correspondence.
(1) Letter from Leon Livers regarding tha pesticide ordinance.
(2) Letter of support for Public Access TV from Sharon Thomas.
(3) Letter from the Iowa Pest Control Association, Inc., regarding the
pesticide ordinance.
(4) Letter from the Professional Lawn Care Association regarding the
pesticide ordinance.
(5) Letter from the Chamber of Commerce regarding the pesticide
ordinance.
(61 Memoranda from the Traffic Engineer regarding:
(a) Parking prohibition on the west side of Lowell Street.
(b) Parking prohibition on the north side of High Street.
(c) Parking prohibition on Dunlap Court.
~ (d) Parking prohibition on Third Avenue.
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Horow/ (#3) Moved by Nov, seconded by Throg. Any discussion.
Atkins/ Susan, may I make a comment on two items, possibly three
items under Traffic Engineer Reports, parking prohibitions in
the City High area are being requested again. I just wanted
to alert you to that fact.
Kubby/ I would like to take those out for separate discussion.
Horow/ That is good because I have something to add to that, too.
All right.
Nov/ And permanent motions, Ic.(2). Can you tell me why that is a
new license, liquor license.
Karr/ It is just new Classification. New ownership.
Horow/ Jim, did you have something. No. All right, then. We are
considering the adoption of the Consent Calendar. A. through
G.(5); taking G.(6) for separate consideration.
Karr / Madam Mayor, and (7) & ( 8 ) have been added. So you are
taking all of (6) out for separate consideration and leaving
(7) and (8). Correct.
Horow/ Right. Thank you. Okay. This includes letters from Leon
Livers regarding Pesticide Ordinance as well as a letter from
the Iowa Pest Control Association regarding the ordinance and
Professional Lawn Care Association as well as the Chamber of
commerce, as regarding the Pesticide Ordinance. We also
received a letter of support for Public Access T. V. from
Sharon Thomas. Okay. All those in favor- You also received
a letter from the Alliance for the Protection of Environmental
Businesses regarding the Pesticide Ordinance. Also from Alda
Gephard regarding TCI contract.
Gentry/ Roll call-
Horow/ Roll call- (Yeses) Okay.
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City of Iowa City
MEMORANDUM
DATE: Jnauary 14. 1994
TO: Mayor, Council. General Public
SUBJECT: Addition'to Consent Calendar
3 - g. (7)
Letter from the Alliance for Protection of Environmental Businesses
regarding the pesticide ordinance.
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Regular Council Meeting
January 18, 1994
Page 5
ITEM NO.4. PLANNING AND ZONING MATTERS.
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a. Consider setting a public hearing for February 1, 1994, on an ordinance
amending the Zoning Ordinance by amending the PDH (Planned
Development Housing) plan for Walnut Ridge, Parts 5 through 9, an
85.32 acre, 56 lot residential subdivision located north of Melrose
Avenue on Kennedy Parkway extended. IREZ93.0015 and SUB93-
0023)
Comment: At its January 6, 1994, meeting, by a vote of 5-0, the
Planning and Zoning Commission racommended approval of an
application submitted by Southgate Development Company for approval
of an amended PDH plan for Walnut Ridge, Parts 5 through 9, an B5.32
'acre, 56 lot residential development located north of Melrose Avenue on
Kennedy Parkway extended subject to submission and app.roval of a
Grading and Erosion Control Plan. The Commission's recommendation
varies from the staff recommendation.
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b. Consider setting a public hearing for February 1, 1994, on a resolution
approving the voluntary annexation of an approximate 420 acre tract of
land, known as Sycamore Farms, and located south of Highway 6 and
the southern corporate limits. (ANN92.00031
Comment: At its November 4, 1 993, meeting, by a vote of 6-0, the
Planning and Zoning Commission racommended approval of the
annaxation of the 422 acre Sycamore Farms area, This recommenda.
tion is generally consistent with that of staff.
Action:
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Iowa City City Council
Regular Council Meeting
January 18, 1994
Page 6
c. Consider setting a public hearing for February 1, 1994, on an ordinance
amending the Zoning Ordinance by conditionally changing the use
regulations of an approximate 422 acre tract of land located south of
Highway 6 and the southern corporate limits from County RS, Suburban
Residential, to RS-8, Medium Density Single-Family Residential (62
acres); RM-12, Low Density Multi-Family Residential (10 acres); RM-20,
Medium Density Multi-family Residential (15 acres); RFBH, Factory Built
Housing Residential (84 acres); RR-1. Rural Residential (191 acres) and
ID-RM, Interim Development Multi-Family Residential (59 acres).
Comment: At its November 4, 1993, meeting, by a vote of 6-0, the
Planning and Zoning Commission recommended approval of an
ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance by conditionally rezoning the
Sycamore Farms area as noted above, subject to conditions related to
environmental concerns, neighborhood open space, an elementary
school site and infrastructure responsibility. The Commission's
recommendation is generally consistent with that of the staff.
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d. Consider setting a public hearing for February 1, 1994, on amendments
to Zoning Ordinance Sections 36-58, Off-Street Parking Requirements;
36-60, Sign Regulations, and 36-9, RFBH, Factory Built Housing
Residential Zone, to allow certain commercial uses as provisional uses
in the RFBH zone, and to replace the incorrect references to the RMH '
zone with RFBH.
Comment: At its November 4. 1993, meeting, the Planning and Zoning
Commission, by a vote of 6-0, recommended approval of the Zoning
Ordinence amendments cited above. The Commission's recommenda-
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e. Public hearing on an ordinance vacating the northern 212 feet of the
alley located between Burlington and Court streets, west of Dubuque
Street (Block 102). (VAC93-0005)
Comment: At its December 16, 1993, meeting, the Planning and
Zoning Commission, by a vote of 6-0, recommended ihat tha northern
212 feet of the north-south alley between Burlington and Court streets
In Block 102 be vacated, subject to resolution of the issues releted to
utility relocation. The Commission's recommendation is consistent with
the staff recommendation contained in a staff report dated December
16,1993.
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f. Public hearing continued from January 18, 1994, on an ordinance
amending the Zoning Ordinance by conditionally changing the use
regulations of an approximate 7.86 acre tract of land located at 2312
Muscatine Avenue (Towncrest Mobile Home Court) from RFBH, Factory
Built Housing Residential, to CC-2, Community Commercial. (REZ93-
00101
Commant: At its November 4, 1993, meeting, by a vote of 6-0, the
Planning and Zoning Commission recommended denial of an ordinance
amending the Zoning Ordinance by conditionally changing the use
regulations of an approximate 7.86 acre tract of land located at 2312
Muscatine Avenue from RFBH to CC.2. In a staff report dated Septem-
ber 16, 1993, staff recommended that the proposed rezoning he
approved only if concerns regarding the improvement of the First
Avenue and Muscatine Avenue intersection and the loss of an area
zoned RFBH are resolved. Comments were received at Council's
November 23, 1993, and January 4, 1994, public hearings on this item.
The Council packet includes a memorandum dated January 12, 1994,
regarding the Forest View Trailer Park and a letter from the applicant
dated January 13, 1994, requesting that this public hearing be
continued to April 12, 1994.
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g. Consider an ordinance amending t Zoning Ordinance by conditi~allY ~
changing the use regulations of an approximate 7.86 acre tract of land
located at 2312 Muscatine Avenue (Towncrest Mobile Home Court)
from RFBH, Factory Built Housing Residential, to CC-2, Community
Commercial. (REZ93-0010) (First consideration)
Comment: See item f. above. Consistent with COUl;cil policy, first
consideration of this item has been placed on the a enda Immediately
following the continued public hearing. A
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Horow/ (#4.f) What is council's- Open the p.h. We would ask you
again to keep your comments to five minutes. Please sign in
and state your name.
Phil Leff/ Members of the council, I am here again on behalf of
Eagles to simple expand upon Mr. Brosman's letter to you. The
motivation behind this request is the realization that it is
essential to satisfy your concerns on three issues. One is to
obtain some satisfactory method for financing the costs or
portions of the costs for relocating the members of the mobile
home court. Secondly, to provide some inventory or location
where they may move to and continue the same type of occupancy
and mobile home courts. And, thirdly, to provide some methods
to replace the inventory of mobile home court site that would
be lost upon the completing of this rehabilitation project.
The developer, Eagles, has been aware that there is now under
a study by the developer to increase increase mobile home
court sites that will include a large number of sites that may
be large enough to take on a transfer of the mobile home court
residents that would be displaced by this project. That
obviously is an undertaking that takes some time to analyze
but it is very likely that Eagles may be able to in some
manner participate in that project with the city and with the
funds that the city is apparently proposing to place into that
project and reallocate some of the financial assistance that
Eagles has proposed to make it a realistic possibility that
there will be affordable mobile home sites as a part of that
project. It seems to me that it warrants a continuation of
the p.h. to the date requested in order to give this a chance
to work. If it works successfully it will provide the
partnership that the city staff has asked Eagles to
participate in with the city to solve the problem. It will do
so in a way that will provide a more long term relief for the
uncertainty and anxiety that the mobile home court residents
feel they are now in a position of risk. I think it is
apparent that they will continue to be in a risk position even
if this project is not continued because it is not an area
that is going to provide long term affordable housing care for
these residents. So we ask that you allow Eagles the
opportunity to do what it has done up to now and that is to
work cooperatively and in good faith with the city staff to
openly and effectively provide a pool of their abilities and
resources with those of the city's to solve the problem. So
please give Eagles this chance and please continue the p.h. to
the date requested.
Horow/ Thank you.
Ed Murphy/Good evening Madam Mayor and members of the city
council. I am Ed Murphy, former resident of Towncrest Mobile
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Home Park. I am just going to briefly go through some of the
things that we have talked about either in P/Z or here before
you. I also have some other information that has not been
brought out in either P/Z or to you. We have talked about the
affordable housing and we know it is a problem. This project
exacerbates the current problem. The city and developer
united can resolve this problem. That is one of things in
which at least what has come forward recently could provide a
foundation for that working relationship. Karin Franklin in
the quote from the November 1 P/Z meeting says that the city
cannot find a way to address the additional burden that
providing relocation assistance would impose. It may not make
sense to rezone this area and incur the costs. Also said that
a new court would not directly replace this court since it
would have a different economic structure. Tom Scott, your
chairman of the P/Z commission, said that as long as this area
remained zoned RFBH even with upgrades it will provide a more
affordable housing than is available elsewhere in Iowa City.
So far you have not taken any of your discussions to the point
of with regard to the relocation funding assistance. We have
talked about where they could go. We haven't talked about we
can fund this. Maybe we do have to find the sites that will
take them first and then go to it but we can't forget that
aspect as to how we are going to fund it. with regard to the
issue that Towncrest Mobile Home Park is losing money. I
can't confirm or deny that. There are 96 spaces at Towncrest
Mobile Home Park. In the letter in your last council packets
66 units occupied those spaces. When you lose income
basically there are two ways in which they can make it up.
Lot rent increases which they put into place. The other way
is to re-fill what they have lost. Take in new units. If they
fill back up to 96 units at $175 month, those 30 additional
units would bring in $5,250 a month. I think that would make
that a profitable venture again. In addition, it was first
learned from discussions with city staff and it was concurred
the very next day in a discussion with Towncrest manager that
the purchase agreement with Eagles establishes an occupancy
rate at the date that that purchase agreement was entered
into. That agreement calls for a rent reimbursement for any
loss rent income due to people moving out. So from that date
that that agreement was entered they are really not losing.
They don't get it until either the project dies or it goes
through. Then they get the lump sum. I would like to read a
Press citizen article from August 21, 19B1 when the city
council then was taking a look at a new mobile home park
ordinance. Doug Boothroy, senior Planner for the city, said
that when the proposed ordinance was first tackled last
February one of the city'S primary concerns was to insure the
parks remained residential areas. That is to prevent the
possibility of a park being sold and converted to commercial
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use. Word for word. I letter from Properties asked
for a delay to April 12. I would like to from the October 18
and 27 P/Z meetings Phil Leff says the developer is faced with
serious time constraints. On October 27 he said the most
important aspect for this application is time which is running
out for this proposal. Okay. From the very first p. h. of
P/Z, September 16, basically to today has been about 120 days.
What I would like to know and I would like to have them
provide more specifics. Now I would like to hear their
proposal. I would like to get more ideas before I say let's
not extend it. I want to hear what they have and what they
hope to accomplish in the next 90 days that they haven't tried
to do in the last 120. We do have the developer here. I
would like to have him address that. I would like to know
what they do hope to accomplish. Regardless of the extension,
whether we go through, we do need to still continue. We need
to address other issues, unit owner assets, financial
relocations assistance, physical and emotional support
assistance and to make sure the statues in live remains
unchanged. We still have to find answers to those questions.
We haven't tackled those yet. I would like to take this
opportunity to thank the Eagles Towncrest Rezoning for
providing you with the opportunity for the educational
experience in which I have gained. It has really been a
learning experience. This is the first time I have ever
gotten involved in anything civic. In addition I would like
to take this time to encourage the people of the city of Iowa
city to come to these p.h.s, to come to the city council
meetings, to speak, to give their opinions because I know from
the process that it is a fair council. It is fair
commissions. You people want to hear what they are thinking.
If they don't share it with you you have no idea how they feel
even if it is in writing. So I would like to encourage
everybody in the community to speak their mind and let them
know what they have to say. If they don't want to get up here
and have their knees shake like mine are at least write a
letter and make their voice heard.
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Nov/ Excellent comments.
Horow/ Is there anyone else who would like to address council on
this sUbject.
Kubby/ Before we have discussion I would really like to hear from
the developer to have them answer Ed's question. I would like
to hear the answer before we have discussion about more
specifically what are they planning to do the next 90 days
that they have been working on or in addition to what they
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have been working on the last 120 days.
Pigott/ I agree.
Rockne Brosman/ oakridge Properties. I have been working with
Eagle for quite some time to put this project together. I
don't have any specific information to share with you at this
time. I don't have a specific plan of attack on how I am
going to resolve this. But I want to convey to you our
sincere dedication in resolving the issues that the city
faces, the residents face, and will have overcome a lot of
obstacles and hurdles with this project thus far and we want
to make sure that every avenue has been adequately explored.
In the two weeks since the last meeting we haven't had the
opportunity to come up with a definitive plan but we think
that there are solutions. We are just asking for more time to
explore.
Horow/ Thank you. Council. Council has the option of closing this
meeting, closing the p.h., continuing the hearing to a
specific time, April 12 as the applicant has requested. What
is your pleasure.
Lehman/I would move that we continue the hearing till 12th as
requested.
Baker/ I second that.
Horow/ Do you wish to take a vote on this.
Kubby/ I would like to speak against the motion and encourage
people to close the p.h. tonight. I think that there has been
lots of time to explore the possibilities and I guess I can't
even get past the land use question to get to relocation
questions in my own mind. If there are options out there for
more trailer park zoning in our community that we need to
pursue that and I would say even to pursue that aggressively.
But it doesn't mean that I am interested in rezoning this
particular piece of property from residential to Commercial.
I think we should explore the possibilities but I am not
interested in rezoning because I think that it is back
pedaling. Why should we back pedal 96 units when we are
trying so hard going six units at a time here and ten units
here and 25 here. Why back pedal.
Baker/ What do you mean back pedal.
Kubby/ If we rezone this we lose 96 units of affordable housing
whether of not these particular residents continue to live
there or not because trailer park housing is, in general,
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cheaper or equivalent to other kinds. So I see this, if we
rezone, to be back pedaling. So I am not interested in taking
the time to explore those issues in terms of this particular
application.
Baker/ Because I think the concern of the overwhelming majority of
council was the same concern which was we didn't want to lose
these locations because we had nothing to replace them with.
That, in my mind, didn't rule out considering every possible
option. It is interesting to me that very often my business
experience tells me that very often when you have a proposal
and you think you can work it through and you reach a dead end
and you were told that is not going to fly. Sometimes you can
become creative when you weren't creative before. This may be
one of those times. I attend to agree with Mr. Leff that
closing the hearing and voting no tonight is not going to
relieve the anxiety of those residents. That indeed it may be
that Eagles and Towncrest and the residents with the city can
come up with something knowing that this proposal -you're
right, is not going to fly. I don't think it is going to
pass. But in the future something possibly could be done and
I don't want to preclude that right now.
Kubby/ I guess I want to make a distinction from something you said
is that I don't agree that I could buy into this proposal if
there was relocation and that is what I mean by back pedaling.
That even is we expand by 96 units and decrease by 96 units we
come up flush. I am talking about wanting to move forward.
That we should build those or zone those 96 units and more.
Baker/ I guess the question I ask you at the last meeting which was
in your mind that is the only use of that property that you
are ever going to see appropriate there.
Kubby/ No and that is not what I am being asked. I am being asked
do you want to remove manufactured housing and replace it with
CC-2 and my answer is no. I want to keep that particular
piece of land that kind of residential use. Any decision. We
have revisited many decisions in the past couple of months.
So I could never-I would not want to make that kind of
declarative statement. But I am saying I am not interested in
changing the zone from manufactured housing to ,CC-2 at this
time.
Baker/ You don't rule out the possibility from changing that from
manufactured housing to something else in the future. Maybe
not CC-2.
KUbby/ I think we need housing in that area of town. And
affordable. And I don't want to back pedal on the
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affordabi1ity aspect. I am not interested in changing the
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Baker/ I guess I tend to think that eventually that may not be
affordable even at that location for that type of housing.
That is why I am anxious to see. I don't want to rule out
anything that Eagles and Towncrest can come up with because it
may be an attractive option for those people now. I think the
options in front of them now aren't attractive. But perhaps
something can be done that would make it attractive. So I
don't want to rule it out.
Nov/ There is also a possibility that if this is explored you will
need up with space for 296 units rather than just replacing
those 96. We just don't know.
Baker/ I hope that Eagles doesn't sort of operate, I am sure they
are not, but operate independently with their ideas. That the
staff has got to be involved and come back to us and maybe
this will accelerate our planning process for what we want to
do in conjunction with what they want to do.
Horow/ There is a motion on the table to continue this until April
12 and I think a lot of the discussion is certainly germane
once we actually close the p.h. and discuss it whether or not
we are going to vote it up or down. I would like to ask for
council's feeling on the motion on the floor. Is there any
other germane discussion on this.
Baker/ On just the extension of the p.h..
Horow/ Just the extension of the p.h. Okay.
Pigott/ There are two things that worry me about continuing the
p.h. One is the stress on the homeowners already and that I
think should not underestimated. I am not sure that ending
the p.h will solve that problem. The second is delaying the
decision based on promise to work to see if we can get
something done. It appears a bit vague to me as to what
measures will be taken in this regard. I don't mean to doubt
the sincerity of Oakridge Property people or anyone involved.
I do want to express some hesitation about that, however,
based on the amount of time it has been dragged out. But my
overriding thing is I really would like to see a solution
explored on this and for that reason I think I would be ih
favor of continuing this.
Throg/ I think I would like to make a comment too. I want to say
that I admire Eagles VOluntary efforts to help us find a
solution to this particular problem and my only concern is
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that I am confident that Eagles does not intend and so I am
going to dismiss my worry. But the worry is that in affect
that it is an effort to buy time to subtly apply pressure on
the residents of the mobile court to move. That is a worry I
have but I do not believe that Eagles is remotely intending to
do that. So I will support the idea of continuing the p.h. as
well.
Horow/ All right, let's- All those in favor signify by saying aye
(Ayes). Those oppose (Kubby-aye). We will continue this to
April 12 by vote of 6-1/ Kubby voting no.
KUbby/ So we talked at our informal meeting about whether or not we
wanted to vote on the zoning change on that same night or to
have some time to hear what was said and then have some time
to think about it. I think it we can-
Horow/ Would you like to make a motion.
Kubby/ Well, I think I want to vote on this.
Horow/ Let me repeat what this is and then we will take that up.
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Horow/ (#4g.) This was to be the first consideration. At council's
informal discussion we considered whether or not if the
meeting was continued to April 12 that we vote that evening or
we vote in the following meeting which was April 26. Now
discussion. Karen would you like to.
Kubby/ Well, I guess I would like to defer this to April 12 and if
we hear information at a p.h. that we need to ponder that we
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Kubby/ No. I guess I want to talk about it before I make a motion.
Horow/ Would anybody like or make a motion that we defer the
considering the ordinance on April 12.
Nov/I will move that we defer item g. to April 12.
Horow/ Okay, ~s there a second.
Baker.
Horow/ Nov and Baker. Now, discussion.
Kubby/ I said it. I repeat myself.
Baker/ I would just like to say that I hope we have information
before April 12.
Pigott/ I do too.
Baker/ That is what I want. So we don't continue the p.h., open it
up on the 12th , then vote that night. I think Eagle and
Towncrest would be well served by beating that deadline.
pigott/ I agree.
Horow/ Let's just go with April 12 and see where we are when we get
there.
Kubby/ Can we get monthly updates on progress on this project. I
would appreciate that.
Horow/ Okay.
Throq/ From staff I suppose.
Kubby/ From the group of people. I want to know who this group of
people is who is doing this vague exploration.
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January 18, 1 994
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h. Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinanca to redefine
"family care facility/family home" by including "community supervised
apartment living arrangement," (Second consideration I
Comment: At its November 18, 1993, meeting, by a vote of 4.0, the
Planning and Zoning Commission recommended approval of a proposed
amendment to allow unlicensed, but state. regulated, supervised housing
for persons with disabilities in all residential zones. The Commission's
recommendation is consistent with that of the staff, included in a
memorandum dated November 12, 1993. No comments were received
at tha January 4, 1994, public hearing on this item. In a letter dated
November 23, 1993, William Gorman, Executive Director of Systems
Unlimited, Inc., requests expedited consideration of this ordinance.
Action: .j(p~1 r~ IV d~) tJa-tL1I #~ ~
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i. Consider an ordinance amending Zoning Ordinance Section 36-58, Off-
Street Parking Requirements for Multi-Family Dwellings. (Second
consideration)
Comment: At its November 4, 1993, meeting, by a vote of 6-0, the
Planning and Zoning Commission recommended approval of an
ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance requirements pertaining to 1)
the number of off-street parking spaces required for multi-family uses;
2) the screening requirements when parking spaces are located on the
ground floor of or under a building: aRa 3) th~quirement.tbat-access-
"tOimfividoahnulti.family-dwelllng-unitiHlhall-be-from-enclosed-lobbies-.
or-corrider~eept-for-townhell8Wtyle..lJRit6. The Commission's
recommendation Is generally consistent with the staff recommendation
contained in staff memoranda dated October 15 and November 4,1993.
Comments were received at the Council's December 7, 1993, public
hearing on this item. Per the Council's direc'tion, Section 3) has been
removed from the ordinance to allow the Planning and Zoning Commis-
sion to develop design criteria for exterior stairwells.
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Nov/ I move second consideration of this ordinance.
Horow/ Is there a second.
Lehman/ Second.
Baker/ Is there any interest in collapsing the readings on this. I
just have a suggestion for the pUblic that they drive down
Bowery street and look at the new apartment at 422 Bowery. We
won't name names here. That looks like a fairly simple
building. It is a four plex. It is four apartment units with
five bedrooms in each unit and they are required to have eight
parking spaces. So you have 20 bedrooms and eight parking
spaces. I thought we should just sped this process up.
Karr/ We have a motion on the floor.
Horow/ There is a motion on the floor. Would the seconder like to
repeal and the first.
Lehman/ Okay.
Horow/ Then we repeal. Larry.
Moved by Baker, seconded by Nov (that ordinance be voted on
for final passage). Any discussion.
Kubby/ What is the specific reason for cOllapsing. So another
building can't go up in two weeks.
Baker/ I would like to make sure things don't slip through the
crack on this particular ordinance. Because you can get a
building plan approved and not start construction for six
months.
Kubby/ Monica, is there anything in the works that this ordinance
would apply to that you know about.
Mone/ There is a project potentially or has been before the city
but I believe that until this ordinance is adopted that there
is a moratorium on issuance of any building permits.
Baker/ Really.
Gentry/ We have a disagreement.
Horow/ What is your legal position.
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Gentry/ Not narrative changes. And this is a textual change.
Horow/ Give me a for instance.
Gentry/ If the property were being rezoned from R5-whatever
residential to CC-2. For example the RFBH to CC-2. That is
a rezoning classification change. And that is explicitly what
one paragraph of the zoning ordinance talks about.
Kubby/ 50 if it were not a zoning change and someone wanted to come
in to get a site plan review permit and building permits,
there is no stopping that until this is passed.
Gentry/ We need to fix the ordinance if that is what we want to do.
Baker/ Until this is passed, somebody could walk in like 24 hours
before the third consideration and plop down a plan that has
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Horow/ There is a motion on the floor. Any further discussion.
Roll call- (yeses, Lehman-no.)
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vote of 6-1 with Lehman dissention.
Baker/ Ernie agrees with Karen philosophically.
Horow/ Yeah
Moved by pigott, seconded by Baker. Any discussion.
Roll call-
The ordinance passes.
Kubby/ I do have one clarification on the note. It says that we
are asking P/Z to develop criteria for exterior stairways. I
thought we were aSking them to make the decision whether we
should allow them or disallow them. If we allow them to then
bring guidelines to us. This is slightly different. What do
other people remember we asked them to do.
Pigott/ That is what I remember had been said as well but I may
have been mistaken.
Throg/ That is what I remember.
KUbby/ What I said or what is written.
NoV/ That is what I remember also.
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would have prohibited walkways on any side of the building
which I thought was too restrictive. The front and the sides
I didn't have any problems with but at the rear walkways to me
didn't seem to be a problem. That would require some sort of
criteria even for those.
NOV/ My objections is to having the wooden stairway as your only
access. I really think this is not good fire regulations.
Baker/ That would be part of the criteria.
Nov/ Right. All of those kinds of things would be considered.
Horow/ Karen, do you want to state that again or steve, is staff in
agreement with-
Kubby/ We asked them to revisit the whole issue. It may be that
they come back to us saying we don't want exterior stairwells
at all. It didn't seem like there was a thorough discussion
looking at all of the issues and ramifications.
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Regular Council Meeting
January 18, 1994
Page 9
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j. Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance by affirming the
single-family character of the RNC-12, Neighborhood Conservation
Residantial, zone and restricting the number of principal buildings
permitted on a lot in the RNC-12 zone. (Second consideration)
Comment: At its November 4, 1993, meeting, by a vote of 6-0, the
Planning and Zoning Commission recommended approval of the
proposed amendments to the zone. The Commission's recommendation
is consistent with the staff recommendation contained in a memoran-
dum dated October 27, 1993. No comments were received at the
Council's December 7, 1993, public hearing on this item.
Action: ~Uo .I --&jp/o) Jwf' (', ulr
k. com"";, '~""t10" op,,,,,,. fu. '001 ,101 0' Wild """. ".::1. .%
One, a 9.84 acre, 20 lot residential subdivision located north of Rohret
Road and east of the Irving Weber Elementary School site. (SUB93-
0017) (60-day limitation period March 14, 1994)
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Comment: At its January 6, ,1994, meeting, by a vote of 5.0, the
Planning and Zoning Commission recommended approval of tha final plat
of Wild Prairie Estates, Part One, subject to staff approval of legal
papers and construction documents prior to Council consideration. The
Commission's recommendation is consistent with the staff recommen.
dation included in the staff report dated January 6, 1994. It is
anticipated that the legal papers and construction documents will have
been approved by the January 18, 1994, Council meeting.
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Consider a resolution approving the final plat of Wild Prairie Estates, Part
Two, a 12.05 acre, 33 lot residential subdivision located north of Rohret
Road and west of the Irving Weber Elementary School site. (SUB93-
0018) 160-day limitation period March 14, 19941
Comment: At its January 6, 1994, meeting, by a vote of 5.0, the
Planning and Zoning Commission recommended approval of the final plat
of Wild Prairie Estates, Part Two, subject to staff approval of legal
papers and construction documents prior to Council consideration. The
Commission's recommendation is consistent with the staff recommen-
dation included in the staff report dated January 6, 1994. It is
anticipated that the legal papars and construction documents will have
been approved by the January 18, 1994, Council meeting. /
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Regular Council Meeting
January 18, 1994
Page 10
ITEM NO. 6 - PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
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ITEM NO.6- PUBLIC HEARING ON PLANS, SPECIFICATIONS, FORM OF CONTRACT AND
ESTIMATE OF COST FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE 1994 SANITARY AND
STORM SEWER PROJECT.
Comment: This project consists of reconstruction of ona storm sewer and
reconstruction and/or enlargement of existing sewer pipes for four sanitary
sewers. The project was bid twice in 1993 but was not awarded. The
project is designed to aUevlate sanitary sewer backups at several sites
throughout Iowa City. Total estimated cost of this combined project is
$660,000.
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CONSIDER RESOLUTION APPROVING PLANS, SPECIFICATIONS, FORM OF
CONTRACT AND ESTIMATE OF COST FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE 1994
SANITARY AND STORM SEWER PROJECT , ESTABLISHING AMOUNT OF BID
SECURITY TO ACCOMPANY EACH BID, DIRECTING CITY CLERK TO
PUBLISH ADVERTISEMENT FOR BIDS AND FIXING TIME AND PLACE FOR
RECEIPT OF BIDS AT 10:30 A.M. FEBRUARY B, 1994.
Comment: See comment above.
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ITEM NO.8- PUBLIC HEARING ON PLANS, SPECIFICATIONS, FORM OF CONTRACT AND
ESTIMATE OF COST FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE WHISPERING MEADOWS
WETLAND PARK PROJECT.
Comment: This project consists of the development of a wetland park on 17
acres of existing degraded wetlands dedicated to the City as part of the
Whispering Meadows subdivision. The project will include native prairie and
\l!etlands restoration, and construction of walking trails, a slough, an
observation deck, and a waterfowl island. The estimated construction cost
is $143,000. To minimize cost, the boardwalk portion of the traU and some
wetland plantings will not be included in this contract and will be completed
at a later data at an additional cost of approxima,tely $38,000.
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Horow/ (#5) Public Discussion. This evening the discussion is for
those items that are not on the agenda but also for discussion
relating to items #19 and #20 related to the pesticide
ordinance. I would ask you to state your name and also keep
your comments to five minutes. If, after everyone has
finished, you have something else that has not already been
mentioned then we would certainly consider listening to you
again. Open the p.h. or public discussion, excuse me.
Nov/ Can we say if anyone wants to discuss something other than
pesticide they can go first.
Horow/ That would be a good idea.
Nov/ I know there are lots of people who want just that one item.
Horow/ Anyone here from the senior Center commission.
NoV/ Those are the kinds of people we want to get finished.
Tim Wo1f/ Madam Mayor and city council members, my name is Tim
Wolf. I am the owner and operator of Iowa city Clean Up and
Transfer. It is a trash removal company in Iowa city. I got
a little letter here I would like to give each of you. (Reads
letter)
Horow/ Mr. Wolfe, have you talked with Mr. Pelkey about-
Wo1fe/ We talked to everybody with the city. That is why I am
here. I haven't got any farther. I just feel that this is an
unfair deposit. I understand why the city is doing it because
our landfill bills are getting to around $100,000 a month. I
can see where the city would be afraid to losing that. But I
think that if you own a landfill that you are in the business.
The thing is what they said they would do for us now is take
to a weekly withdrawal from our checking account to pay the
landfill fee. That gives us a week to collect money which we
won't collect for 30 days. See what I am saying and another
thing that makes me mad is I pay my landfill bill when it is
due and now they are going to put on top of me-my landfill
bill usually runs about $35,000 a month. Come the first of
February I am going to owe $35,000 plus I am going to have to
pay my current which is unfair for me.
Gentry/ You get 12 months to repay.
Wo1fe/ 12 months so that means I have to com~ up with $3,000 or
4,000 a month to pay a bill that I pay monthly. It puts me at
an unfair advantage again. It gives me 12 months.
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Horow/ Mr. Wolfe, I am sure as you can understand, we would not
have the answers here but certainly will have staff get back
to us about the answer.
Wolfe/ Right. All I want the city to do is kind of put a hold on
this. Every time they come up with something new it seems
like we get less than a 30 day notice and it just puts an
unfair advantage to us.
Kubby/ If we put a hold on this for this business it seems only
fair to put a hold on the system for every business in this
predicament until we have had a chance to look at it.
Atkins/ That certainly is your prerogative. I want you to
understand that our intent here is to protect the city's long
term financial interests. That we have rather large exposure
and we have had experience of walk aways where people have not
paid us. We are talking-
Wolfe/I think that what I am trying to get across here is one thing
that is going to happen and I have seen it happen all my life.
There use to be a million gas stations. Now there is only the
big guys. There use to be a million grocery stores and now
there is only the big guys. You are driving the little guy
out of business. I have busted my butt for 18 years doing
this and I can't come up with it. What am I going to do.
Kubby/ The other thing we might want to be looking at too is when
we make decisions to change the process how long do we give
our customers to chance to accommodate our new change of
pOlicy. So we mayor maybe not decide to do anything about
the deposit. But at a minimum we should also be talking about-
Horow/ I would like to ask staff for a memo in terms of how we have
come up with this-
Gentry/ We need a report to you.
Horow/ Report in terms of how we have come up with this decision to
do this.
Wolfe/ To give an example, all of the years that I have been in
business I have gotten two notices from the city when the
landfill fees are going up. Two notices in 18 years. I read
it in the newspaper.
Horow/ Thank you for bringing this up.
Wolfe/ It is just making it unfair for the small guys. A lot of
national companies out there. They will just draw the money
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out of their checking account of do what you want. And
another thing that I think could happen in the long run is the
haulers from Iowa City, the larger haulers using a different
landfill and I am also concerned that the city might lose up
to $2-3 million in income because they are putting such
demands. I mean we pay $58 a ton out here. We can go to
Illinois which is an hour and half drive for $400 a load less.
Atkins/ I would like to point out to council that we would be
delighted-
Horow/ We would be happy if you didn't use the landfill. That
would be great.
Wolfe/ I understand what you are saying but still you have to have
the money coming in. And we do serve businesses and homes in
Iowa city.
Horow/ I appreciate your bringing this to our attention but I think
really it would be inappropriate for us to comment right now
until we did have a report.
Wolfe/ Right. That is all I ask. Thank you.
Horow/ Thank you.
Nov/ steve, I have a spectacle question. Can we delay his payment
for 30 days until you make a report.
Atkins/ We are going to spread it over a 12 month period.
Nov/ Is that what you are trying to say here.
Gentry/ That was the proposal. And I have drafted a c~ntract.
Wolfe/ still, you know, I pay my landfill bill every 30 days and I
am not behind on it. (Can't hear)
Gentry/ There is a misunderstanding.
Atkins/We will send a memo explaining. I just want you to
understand that you are here to protect our long term
financial interest. That is our intent.
Horow/ Is there anyone else that would like to speak under public
discussion before we get into pesticide discussion.
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Horow/(#19) Again I ask you to keep to five minutes. Make your
cogent points in the beginning. If you have got something else
to add to it you may certainly return after everyone has had
a say.
Mike Thavenet/ (See letter).
Horow/ Thank you Mr. Thavenet.
Nov/ I think we have to clarify that this proposal does not
regulate. It gives all the regulations to the state. All it
asks for is larger signs.
Horow/ And a registry.
pigott/ And a registry.
Nov/ And a registry, right.
Thavenet/ Like I said, the state started out simple, too.
Nov/ But we cannot regulate anything else.
prohibited us from regulating.
Kubby/ That is not totally true. There are certain things we do
and certain things we can't do. And who knows what will be.
The state has
Nov/ That is true. But as far as the state rules are concerned,
any sign is acceptable. You don't have to put up two signs;
one for the state and one for the city.
Thavenet/ Thank you.
Horow/ Thank you very much. Anyone else to address this issue.
Ron Salisbury/I am president of the Iowa Pest Control Association
and co.owner of Diam Pest Control. I really don't have a lot
to say except thank you to Mayor Horow and council for giving
us a opportunity to come at a late date to address you. What
I would like to do is to take a couple of minutes to tick down
through the ordinance that was faxed to me today by the city
attorney and just share with you some of the concerns that
those I represent have shared with me and kind of have been
brought to the forefront in this up to date proposal. We're
aware and we're in complete agreement that when ever
pesticides are put out, it has to be done so that it's done
safely and it does protect all citizens and safety and health
and welfare. Our concern is that this proposal doesn't do that
and in fact it does create some maybe situations that would be
detrimental to the pUblic. The first item that I talk about is
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that you cover commercial application and as commercial
applicators that covers about 2l different certifications
which simply means that's different classifications of people
who apply pesticide as the state requires. It doesn't just
cover lawncare or one other entity. To give you a quick
example, 70 is community pest control. The question comes up
on as a community pest control operator. A commercial operator
if we do mosquito control which is applied to vegetation how
do we post every yard. We have no idea and what signs do we
use to post it under this ordinance. General pest control.
When we do an outside application the state requires us even
if it's a spot application that we have to post it. How do we
do this in Iowa city. Which sign do we use and where do we put
it. Ornamental and turf. Animal pest control. Animal pest
control from time to time sprays repellents for rabbits, deer,
and other wood or shrub destroying animals. Has this been
taken into consideration and how do they operate in this. They
all have an interest in this and they all want to comply but
compliance seems to be very difficult in taking this into
consideration. Public applicators are much like commercial
applicators. They do the same things but they're not
considered in this. Private applicators also apply pesticides
and they're not considered in this as the state notes private
applicators. Item O. You refer to farms as being ten acres and
over. Those people in the city who have tree farms.
Horow/ Excuse me Mr. Salisbury. We have excluded farms under the.
Salisbury/ Absolutely. But the definition of a farm ten acres or
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of your greenhouses will have small tree nurseries or will
have small plots that will fall in the less than ten acres.
Those certifications would come under lA, 1B, 1C, 1D, and they
have to be taken into consideration in this posting and what
this means. Pesticides under item 6 which reads pesticides
include substances intended for preventing, destroying, or
repelling insects, nematodes, fungi, weeds, and other life.
What's other life. Let's move on down to the just under
section 3479 notification of sign requirements. It reads under
item a, prior to the commercial application of pesticides on
a customers property commercial applicators shall place
notification signs on each customers property. Said signs
shall be of material that is rain resistant for at least 24
hours. There shall be a minimum size of 8 1/2 by 11 inches and
have a bold black lettering and bright yellow background. That
sounds good on the surface but in the state regulations there
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are strict requirements on how far off the ground the sign
must be placed, where it's to be placed. The size of the sign
could be bigger than 8 1/2 by 11 inches in your ordinance. The
state requires that the sign be at least 18 inches if it's
posted on a lawn above the trim line. You've addressed none of
these issues. An 8 1/2 by 11 inch sign for a right of way 6c
is 8 1/2 by 11 inches. And that's for bare ground
sterilization and has to be three feet above the weed level or
the ground level.
Horow/ Excuse me, Miss Gentry, but I'm assuming that the state
ordinance is the basis for what we have.
Gentry/ Yes. It appears to me that in terms of word processing and
reading my writing that the word the other forms of plant or
animal life which is right out of the state code that dropped.
But that definition is straight out of chapter 206.
Salisbury/ Okay, I'm not clear on what you're saying. Are you
answering my question on what is other life.
Gentry/ Yes. It's supposed to say exactly what state code says
which is other forms of plant or animal life.
Kubby/ Which still is vague, but at least it's consistent.
Salisbury/ Okay that's fine.
Gentry/ My apologies for that phrase getting dropped out.
Salisbury/ Okay. Then it does not refer to reptiles.
Gentry/ No.
Salisbury/ Okay.
Gentry/ It mirrors state law.
Salisbury/ The signs, back to the sign issue. There's a real
concern on our part around this issue that you have exempted
public applicators which will take care of government
buildings, schools, parks, greenbelts, those types of areas
from your posting. If I'm a commercial applicator, I'm
contracted by a city entity, say a school, and I have to post
which sign do I use? And if I use the state approved sign
which is recognized throughout the state at a school, across
the street there'll be another type of sign that is used by
another type of an applicator. A different color and a
different size. So how do these children get to know the
difference between this sign and that sign. And then if the
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private sector's brought into this and allowed to use any
other type of sign within a small radius around young people
you can be setting a booby trap of three or four signs they
have to come to learn to recognize. The children from
Coralville or Cedar Rapids come here, how will they know what
these signs are. And as an applicator I am put at higher risk
than I would if you just used the state sign which is
recognized by everyone. It really becomes kind of a Catch 22.
I would hate to think in Iowa City that you would allow three
or four different locations and sizes for one way street signs
because I go down your one way streets the wrong way and
they're well posted. And I know that they look like all the
other street signs in the cities around town. Maybe I'm the
only one that does that but I do have a problem with that
occasionally. I'm going as quickly as I can and try and make
these points. Chapter 206.5 item 6 and I'm on item d. private
applicator you say means any person or entity who applies or
causes broadcast application of pesticide to outdoor property
where spraying, misting, fogging, dusting, dragging, or
spreading other means. The state says a private applicator is
farm hand who applies restricted use pesticides, not a private
citizen. And that is outlined distinctly in Chapter 206.5 item
6.
Horow/ Mr. salisbury, I'm sorry your five minutes are up. If you'd
close we'd appreciate that.
salisbury/ Could I just close quickly.
Horow/ Okay.
Salisbury/ I guess to get to the bottom and to bring it to a close
is that with the public sector not able to participate in
this, with pUblic applicators not able to participate in this,
private applicators not able to participate in this, that
leaves only a few commercial applicators which probably apply
a very, very small per cent of the actual pesticides in Iowa
city. And yet you're spending a lot of money for enforcement.
I think you need to take a look is this really worth it. I
just would trust that you consider these items. They are
concerns. They will have to addressed at some point in time.
I thank you for the time and urge you to vote no on this or at
least table it for awhile.
Horow/ Thank you for your perspective, sir.
Gentry/ Can I clarify points.
Horow/ Yes.
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Gentry/ If I may. The signs to be used would be the same sign as
you use now only they would be larger. You would only need one
sign. Larger, a different color. The locations will all be the
same as the state requirements in the rules as you and I
talked about earlier today. The nursery would only kick in if
they were hiring you as a commercial applicator. Whether it's
one acre or six hundred feet or whatever.
Sa1isbury/ If we-
Gentry/ But they're doing it to themselves, to their own property,
they're not commercial applicators because it's, the
definition of commercial applicator is application to outdoor
property of another meaning other than one's own home.
Sa1isbury/ That is not the definition of a commercial applicator.
The definition of a commercial applicator is someone who
applies pesticide for pay, whether it be on the interior or
exterior. And under category 7a, if we apply even a small
amount of pesticide outside of the six foot rule, we have to
post it. That's a requirement of the law.
Gentry/ I'm trying to explain what this ordinance does.
Sa1isbury/ But we're not governed, I mean we are governed by this
ordinance and we're governed by the state ordinance. If I
don't post that then I am in trouble.
Gentry/ But I just explained that the nursery person if they were
putting pesticides on own their own property not be governed
by this because they're not putting it on the property of
another person.
Sa1isbury/ No. You've exempted the private applicator.
Gentry/ And the nurseryman.
Sa1isbury/ Wel that just falls under another category and it could
be under private. If he's doing it for pay, he would have to
post under the ordinance. Sure that's the way the state law
reads but what I'm saying is if I'm contracted by a pUblic
facility such as a school.
Gentry/ You are covered under this ordinance,
sa1isbury/ How am I covered if the state says I have to post. I
would not have to post.
Gentry/ It's property of another so you would still be a defined
commercial applicator with one exemption and that's the
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Salisbury/ But the states says that when I make that, even at that
location, I have the- I don't think you can supersede the
state and say that their law does not stand true in IC. You
can add to it, but you can't dilute it.
Gentry/ That's right. The only thing you would do it differently is
add add a larger sign. It would be the same location. It would
be the same posting. The sign would be larger.
Salisbury/ So all signs that are posted in Iowa city would be an
Iowa City sign.
Gentry/ Correct.
Salisbury/ Even on properties that are exempt from posting. Sure.
You said you didn't have to post public properties because
public applicators, those who treat those do not need to
follow this ordinance.
Gentry/ As I explained to you earlier we track the same
notification requirements as are in the state law regarding
commercial applicators. The only difference is the sign is
larger.
Salisbury/ Are you going to limit the size of the sign to 8 1/2 by
11 so that there aren't different signs
Gentry/ No. It's a minimum.
Salisbury/ okay. I'll stop.
Horow/ okay.
Gentry/And there's two other, one other question of private
applicator that is not before you right now. That's in your
other version.
Horow/ Right.
Gentry/ And commercial applicator does include the school district,
public r.o.w., and cannot include the university by reason of
law.
Horow/ Okay.
Gentry/ I think I cleaned up everything.
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to this particular item. It's item 19 the Pesticide
ordinance for Commercial Applicators. That has not
already been addressed. And please limit your discussion
to 5 minutes.
Angie Madsen/ I'll address an issue and that's taxpayers' money.
Karr/ Your name please.
Madsen/ Angie Madsen. Sunshine Lawncare. You have spent thousands
and thousands of dollars of taxpayers' money of this town to
pass this ordinance which is unnecessary. It accomplishes
nothing. We are regulated at the state level, regulated very
well. And here you've spent thousands and thousands of dollars
for a larger sign. Big deal. How many people want this larger
sign in Iowa City. How many. Not many. Only people pulling for
special interests. Hello, is this working I want to be heard.
Only people of a special interest group. And maybe a few other
people. That's it and trying to deny that but it's not true.
But it's true. This ordinance doesn't satisfy the scope and
the purpose. You all know that so why are we even continuing
wasting money pursuing this. When is it going to stop. How can
you justify spending ten thousand dollars on this. Maybe it's
only five thousand. Maybe it's twenty thousand. Who knows. I
think the public should know though how money has been spent
on this ordinance, pursuing this ordinance with time spent,
the city attorney, the city clerk, any secretaries, the paper
work, all of this. It all adds up. And you're not paying for
it out of your pocket. The special interest group who wants
this ordinance I doubt they'll put any money toward this. The
taxpayers are funding it. Do they want it. No ask them. You're
looking at a select few who want this ordinance. A wide cross
section of the city does not want it. They're comfortable that
we're regulated at the state. And to pursue this any further
and waste any more of the taxpayers' money is wrong. It's just
a drain and it's got to stop.
Horow/ Thank you.
Throg/ Angie, may I ask you a question.
Madsen/ Yes.
ThrogBaker/ How do you know that a wide cross section
community opposes this particular ordinance.
Madsen/ Opposes it.
Throg/Yes.
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Madsen/ I've talked to a lot of people. I have a lot of people just
come up to me. They know I've got a lawn care service and
they'll say this is ridiculous. I see this on TV. I read it in
the paper. It's ridiculous what I'm reading. You can sit here
and argue with me that the majority of people want this but
it's not true. It's just a few people of a group called
Environmental Advocates. There may be a few other people, but
your average homeowner, they don't want this regulation for us
or for them. I mean, where's this going to end. You're
regulations you're drawing here.
Throg/ How do you know that only a small group of people from one
particular as you put it special interest group want this
ordinance. How do you know that.
Madsen/ That's all I hear from actually. How can you not prove that
to me. How can you prove to me that the whole city wants this.
I guess I'm asking you as a councilor, how can you prove to me
that the majority of homeowners in Iowa City want this
ordinance.
Throg/ My only point, not to argue, my only point is that you've
made a few specific claims and I don't see any evidence to
support your claim.
Madsen/ Well I suppose I could do a telephone poll and so forth and
call all the, call a bunch of people and find out and give you
a poll. But I don't think that's necessary. I think you know
as well as I know as well as all these people here and
everybody in town knows that this is an unwanted and unneeded
regulation. This sign is fine that we have at the state level.
We do not need the bigger floppy Hawkeye lOOking sign. That's
only going to confuse children. Thank you.
Horow/ Okay.
Throg/ Thank you.
Mark Smith/ I didn't intend to speak to this issue tonight but I
did want to respond to this idea of special interest group
that is for the ordinance as if the people who have been
speaking one after the other night after night to this council
about this ordinance is not a special interest group. My
understanding of a special interest group is someone who has
a vested interest in a particular point of view. I do happen
to be a member in fact president of Environmental Advocates,
and I have my special interest is an interest in the
environment. That's not a really vested interest. That's not,
I don't think that fits the what I consider special interest
at all. And my conversations with many many people do not at
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all confirm don't near your experience in talking to the
people you're talking to. I think a telephone poll would
probably be a good idea. However we don't need that because
we've had elections to city council. And this has not been a
hidden issue. It's been a discussed issue. And I think that
the people sitting here are perfectly well suited on this
issue which has been discussed in the campaigns make this
decision for us. And I hope they support this very modest
pesticide ordinance.
Horow/ls there anybody else who has any issues. I'd like to
close.
Chuck Murray/ Barefoot Grass Lawn Service. I'll just make it real
short. I just had a quick comment. My biggest concern is just
the discriminatory aspect of the ordinance. It is
concentrating on a what I feel is a minority of the city of
Iowa City and of course of people how do and supposedly should
know what they're doing out there in applying applications.
There's been a lot of discussion going on some for but I guess
I feel a lot more that feel it is bad. I've heard and I don't
know if this is true or not but because that there's been a
lot of concern about the issue that there's been some other
issue proposed that will include home owners I another
ordinance somewhere down the road. Heaven forbid that this
gets passed or doesn't get passed I guess is what I should
say. Are you going to continue to vote on or discuss the issue
for homeowners to try to make this fair. This is what the
issue has been really big about and if this ordinance for
commercial pesticide applicators doesn't pass and you pursue
an ordinance for homeowners than you're back to the same vote
I guess as far as discriminating against homeowners as well.
I don't know if that's true or not but I heard that something
in that respect and so we're getting out of hand here and not
thinking through this whole issue, so I guess I want everybody
to say, hey look just step back a little bit and think about
this a little bit more and figure out where this is going and
what implications it's going to have on the city of Iowa City
and the surrounding areas.
Horow/ Thank you very much.
Mark Phillips/ I will make this brief. I want to make it clear that
I am in favor of reducing the use of pesticides and I really
believe that most of the lawncare companies are also. If I can
step back. I'm not a lawncare representative. I'm a private
citizen. I apply my own pesticide at home in my yard. But you
have to think of the example of the use of pesticides has been
reduced. I can think back ten years ago, every lawncare
company in this town used to broadcast spray fertilizer and
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pesticides and I don't fully agree that's probably the worst
thing that we could do, but I think you also have to realize
that the amount of people who do that and the frequency that
that's done is significantly reduced. You have to give free
markets full credit. There are lawn care companies that
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Phillips/ There was an article in the Des Moines Register Sunday.
Pioneer Seed you know Big Corporate government, Big Corporate
Business is promoting the growing of soybeans by with non-use
of pesticides and only organic fertilizers. They're paying
three dollar per bushel premium for soybeans to be grown by
any farmer in the state of Iowa or surrounding areas for that
use because there's a market for it. And let the markets
dictate the use of pesticides. Let's not let micro-managing
the city by creating paper work and large amount of ordinances
to control people's environmental morals. Let's let people use
their common sense and let the legal staff spend their time
doing something more constructive like solving the Towncrest
Mobile home thing. You'd think that we have some talented
staff in this city and a talented city council. If you let
your time be consumed by trivial things like this, you'll
never come to a constructive solution to real problems like
Towncrest Mobile Homes. That's a real problem. I guess I just
wanted to make that clear. thank you.
Horow/ Thank you.
Throg/ Thanks Mark.
Horow/ I'm going to close the p.h. Did you have something more to
add than has already been said sir. Okay. The p.h. is closed.
I would like council to go to item #19. Consider an ordinance.
Excuse me, that was not a p.h. it was pUblic discussion. I
want to make that clear.
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Horow/ (#19) Moved and seconded (pigott/Kubby) that the final
consideration be addressed at this point. Is there any
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Baker/ You just want discussion on collapsing. Not on the ordinance
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Baker/ I have thought a great deal about this because I oppose this
ordinance. I do understand that a substantial majority of the
council supports it. This is one of those ordinances that
ought to be debated at great length and have as much public
input as possible and I think the closer you get to the
resolution as something of some thing that is controversial
you will get more discussion. Ordinarily this is one of those
cases where I would not support cOllapsing the readings. But
it seems to me that the state has put us in a bind, put the
council in a bind and if the state were not pressuring us I
don't think that we should collapse the readings. But it is
obvious that the state is responding specifically to Iowa City
and I would certainly vote to collapse the readings tonight
and I would like to talk more about the ordinances itself.
Horow/ Any other discussion.
Pigott/ I agree with that, Larry. I think that that is exactly why
we want to collapse the readings.
Throg/ strangely enough I find myself not wanting to collapse the
timing of this. I think we need to adopt an ordinance which
is not the point at hand right here. But I am paying
attention to how I am feeling now and I noticed when Angie was
speaking I was feeling a response. I was feeling-I was being
clear headed inside as I was listening. And that tells me
that this is an important issue. It tells me that many people
are bothered and upset by the appearance of the ordinance and
its move through Iowa city right now. I want to extend on
that though. My sense is that people who have made the points
about a narrow special interest group pushing this particular
proposal and how they are kind of trying to force it on the
people of Iowa city. My sense about that is that that is
clearly not true. There are people in the city who want a
much stronger ordinance and we are not considering it because
our sense is that there are enough people in the city who
don't want a strong ordinance. We are trying to find a
balance. That is my sense about it. But I think it is really
important because of adequate consideration of the issue and
I don't give a hoot what the state is doing. I know that if
we defer then we are going to do something but I don't care.
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Horow/ Thank you very much.
Kubby/ I am concerned about-I appreciate you willing to change your
mind because of considerations but we won't be able to-the
debate will be closed probably after tomorrow if we do not
collapse and we have to have 6 votes to collapse tonight.
Throg/ Oh, I forgot about the 6 to collapse.
KUbby/ So I would ask you to reconsider your decision. I don't
know what Ernie is thinking about in terms of cOllapsing.
pigott/ This is a 6 vote requirement.
Nov/ I really think we ought to collapse. I think that the only
reason the state is discussing this is because we considered
it.
Horow/ Roll call-
There are six votes to collapse this for the third
consideration, Lehman voting no.
Kubby moved, pigott seconded to adopt the ordinance.
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Baker/ Could I get some sense and I think Jim has already spoken to
this. Is it the sense of the people who are voting for this
ordinance that you are working under the assumption that this
has wide spread pUblic support. It is not just a minority
small group. I don't know if there is a way you ever quantify
something like that. I have, in the last three weeks, gotten
comments back and forth on both sides and I couldn't have
called where the public sentiment is on this ordinance right
now. There is a lot of misunderstanding about this particular
ordinance right now. I think if we discuss in the future
regulating private homeowners we will have a v~ry clear sense
of how the public feels about regulation because it is going
to regulate them and not these commercial applicators. It may
indeed that those people supporting this ordinance support it
only because it doesn't bother them. I don't know. That may
be something that comes up in the future and I think we need
to talk about it.
Nov/ That is a valid comment because the commercial applicators are
correct when they say the private applicators or private
homeowners are using more pesticide, are applying more
pesticides and that ordinance will get more public response.
There is no question about it. But the responses that we have
here have been on both sides and most of the responses are not
concerned about regulating commercial applicators because they
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are already regulated by the state. And as far as I know only
the commercial applicators lobbied against the regulation at
the time that it went in. At the time the state started this
it was prevention of water pollution and most people said yes
we want to prevent water pollution and there wasn't a lot of
anti at that point.
Baker/ I still have problems with this particular ordinance. I am
uncomfortable with it. I do think it addresses-goes at it
from the wrong direction and then maybe this is all we can do
now. But it does seem to be just a lot of duplication with
minor revisions of state law and I would prefer to have a more
substantial one. A more comprehensive and fair one. I would
like to respond to one thing that was in the paper. There was
a discussion about this. It seems like one of the objections
to this ordinance has been in terms of turning neighbor
against neighbor and that sounds inflammatory. That it is
certain to conjure all sorts of images of sort of like 1984
and we are all turning each other in. But I think the public
needs to understand that you could probably go through half of
the ordinances on the books now that require some sort of
private initiative to start the process.
Throg/ Shoveling sidewalks.
Baker/ My sidewalks are cracked so my neighbor calls and now I have
a bill for several hundred dollars. I think my sidewalks look
wonderful but they are not passable and the city says that
they need to be replaced. If you want a bureaucratic
nightmare you arrange your ordinances where you don't have
that public initiative and if you want the state or the city
to go and regulate this and keep neighbors out of it you will
have a bureaucratic nightmare. I would just like to say that
one of the reasons-one of the less valid reasons to oppose an
ordinance like this is this whole concept of neighbor against
neighbor because it is a red herring. It is a false issue.
But I am still going to vote against this one.
pigott/ I agree it is a red herring. But just to get back to how
you measure public support or not I think that is ultimately
very difficult thing for any elected official to do and some
of the ways you can do it is conduct your own phone poll as
someone suggested. I got three or four calls this weekend all
supporting this pesticide ordinance and I heard from people in
the audience tonight a majority of which spoke in opposition
to the pesticide ordinance. So it is the elected officials
job to balance out what he or she hears and make the best
public decision not necessarily only reflecting the pUblic's
view but what is also the best for the public health, safety
and welfare of its citizens. And so I think that is important
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to note. It is not just we are here to reflect the public's
view. A little anecdotal story because I think we are all
talking about we have talked to a lot of people who are for it
or against it. Just to relate-a homeowner that felt strongly
enough about this ordinance to call me up and say why don't
you come into my house the next time it is not snowing because
I have a three year old daughter who I want to, when my
neighbor has her yard sprayed, I want that sign in the yard
and a big clear one. And so they spoke to me and said come on
over to my neighborhood. I haven't been able to see my kid
outside. And that sort of statement from a person who is not
at all a member of any group, environmental or any other
speaks to me real strongly.
Horow/ All right, any other discussion.
Lehman/ I obviously will will not support this for a couple of
reasons. One of them Bruno you brought up. This little three
year old kid can't go outside after we pass this with any
assurance that the neighbor didn't put it on themselves. So we
have done nothing to protect the public welfare. 85% of all
the pesticides are done by private individuals. All we have
done is re-regulate somebody that was already regulated. I
think this ordinance does nothing so I can't support it.
Kubby/ I did want to make a couple of comments, too, in that part
of our problem comes from the history of this in that we did
have, for a while, four people to who supported a very
comprehensive ordinance that really would have done some more
things to protect public health and safety. Especially not
being able to apply any pesticides within 30 feet of a water
way which to me was one of the real important parts of the
ordinance. When we no longer had four people and councils
changed and so this is what we have. Something that I believe
is a very benign ordinance. That the beauty if it is that is
follows state law and that the differences may be small but I
think are very significant just for the reason of protecting
health and safety of the community. And that people are
finding-people who have contacted me have said I have trouble
seeing the signs. I have gotten wonderful feedback from
Quality Care signs that are larger than the normal ones and
the colors that we are suggesting and the logo that we are
suggesting. And that that is the only lawn care company that
did anything differently voluntarily. And I find it
interesting that two weeks ago that what I want to call and
this is not a negative thing because special interests are
important because people either have an interest through a
vested financial interest or a personal broad base interest or
a heart felt interest. Special interest people of the lawn
care company came here and said the specifics of your
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ordinance are fine. It is no big deal. One you learn that
there is no effective prenotification requirements. It is
prenote but it is really kind of a bogus prenotification. That
two weeks ago you were saying the larger signs, no big deal.
The registry, no big deal. Just don't regulate it we will do
it ourselves. Well, in the past year since the hiatus in
which we have been talking about this only one company has
taken a private initiative to do it vOluntarily. So I think
it does protect the health, safety and welfare of the
community and giving people a better chance to see what the
state law says. I am finding from feedback from the community
that it is not working sufficiently here. And so that it
really isn't that big of a jump and find it a very benign
small thing yet very significant to people in this community.
Horow/ Well I think we have heard the points of view from most of
the council. I, too, have wrestled with this over a period of
time. I have gone back and forth. I know the last time last
year I flipped on my vote and my reason for doing it was that
in the spectrum of all public health issues in this city this
one is not the largest one and certainly not the one which I
think we should apply most of the attention. I am very very
concerned about the impending increased regulations by the
state on home rule and I took to support this through the home
rule point of view. I am also concerned about application of
private homeowners. I think that we certainly have agreed that
we will address that. But for this particular ordinance I
cannot support it. I go back to the original purpose of public
health issues from a broad point of view and I do not feel
that we really have that much of a problem and so for that
reason I will not be voting on this.
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The ordinances passes, Lehman, Baker and Horow voting no. And
because it passed we will take item #20.
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Horow/ (#20) Chair would entertain a motion-
Moved by Kubby, seconded by Nov to adopt the resolution. Is
there any discussion.
Kubby/ I am interested in how we got to the $5.00 figure for the
fee. Does that actually reflect-is that all of the cost that
you are going to have.
Karr/ We don't know. It is an estimate based on making adjustments
to the licensing permits system, programming adjustments. We
don't how many applicators are going to register. We know of
one experience on a very different nature in Waterloo with a
registry and how many people registered there. It is an
estimate based on staff time, the development of a program and
a very short application and we reserve the right to come back
in a years time and report to you that it may have to be
substantially increased.
Kubby/ I think that is a gross underestimatation of what it will
cost and I want to suggest that we increase the fee to $25.
Horow/ What are you basing that on. I tend to agree that it is an
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Kubby/ I don't know.
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Nov/ I really think we have to do it now or you can't implement
your ordinance. And I would be willing to increase it. I
think $25 is way too high but if somebody wants to suggest
something like $7 or $10 which is more realistic, I would go
along with it. I just don't know anymore. I think we should
take the staff estimate and see how it works out. We can
raise it-
Horow/ I can't-well, what do the rest of you think about it.
Throg/ I would like to agree with Naomi. Meaning take the staff
estimate and as we have experience with implementing the
ordinance adjust it upward or downward as we see appropriate.
Nov/ We also have to consider this as a fee for somebody who asks
for the list of registries.
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Nov/ Ten cents a sheet or whatever it takes to copy it is going to
be incorporated into this, isn't it.
Karr/ That is correct. What the $5 fee as recommended right now
includes the registration and one copy. Any citizen or
additional copies would be a price per page.
Pigott/ So what happens then if we establish the fee at $5 tonight
and we realize ten weeks from now that it should have been
much higher and all of the commercial applicators have paid
their fee. We are still short of money. So I would like to
suggest that we raise the fee and raise it to $10.
Lehman/ How many applicators do we have.
Gentry/ We don't know.
Lehman/ Do we have a guess.
Gentry/ We have sent out to the companies 15-20. But then when you
throw in the pest control that brings it up another 10-12.
Lehman/ We are talking about 30 people and we are arguing about $5.
We are talking $150 or $300. We spend more in that- I think
it is irrelevant.
Horow/ Let's discuss-
KUbby/ No. Our policy is to try to get these administrative fees
to reflect the actual cost.
Horow/ That is right. But we don't know what they are going to be.
And in terms of doing it and to get it on the books and get it
going and then evaluating it would you be willing to evaluate
it in six months.
Nov/ There is a once a year registration. We charge $5 this year
and if it doesn't work out we will charge $20 next year.
Whatever it takes.
Horow/ Let's do it.
Baker/ Assuming the best of all possible worlds. We pass this, you
pass this resolution, the state does preemption but somehow it
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doesn't apply to us and we can go back and amend this and
include private homeowners. Are you going to ak private
homeowners for a registration fee.
Nov/ No.
Throg/ There is no registration requirement in the proposed
ordinance. There is no registration requirement in the
homeowner's ordinance, our private ordinance that we are- So
there would be no registration.
Horow/ We haven't passed that ordinance yet though.
Baker/ It goes back to this question of equal protection under the
law or whatever the phase it.
Kubby/ There is a component of registration and ability to have a
local registrations in the state law for commercial
applicators and that is where this idea came from. There is
not regulation of individual homeowners in the state law. We
are paralleling state law. We are not opening new grounds and
breaking sod.
Baker/ But you are charging these guys $5. We pass another
ordinance, private homeowners, but we don't charge them
anything to apply. That seems to be the sense of where you
are going. okay. I would say let's just have a registration
process and don't charge them anything.
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Baker/ Just absorb the cost.
Horow/ Let's have a roll call on this.
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Horow/ (#14) Chair entertains a motion to adopt this resolution.
Moved by Lehman, seconded by Baker. Chair opens the
discussion from the floor as well as to council. Does council
have any other questions to ask staff.
Throg/ I think I would like to make a comment on it and I will be
quite brief about it. This will echo a comment that was made
earlier in the informal meeting. It is simply that I find it
distressing to be asked to respond rabidly to this proposal,
to this request, on the basis of confidentiality.
particularly since we received some new information tonight
and that bothers me that the process of moving quicklY under
confidential terms on something of importance to the
community. So I just want to express some concern about that
and to express a hope that we can avoid this kind of situation
in the future.
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directed to this applicant. I think the applicant is just
doing the process that has always been in place and I am
certainly glad to support this particular application. I hope
it goes through and everything as well with the state. But in
the future, there is a different council and I think one of
the things that we are going to be sensitive about is the
process of involvement. our involvement in getting adequate
notice so we are not surprised at the last minute. I will be
very self conscious about that in the future.
NoV/ I have to say something on behalf of the previous council and
that was exactly what Larry said and here we are doing the
same thing. This is just too rushed. It shouldn't be this
way. And particularlY because we are dealing with a firm that
has been a good corporate citizen. Most of us are ready to
say okay, for Moore Business Forms, this is okay. This is not
a bad application. But never the less we were not given
enough time to think about it.
Kubby/ I guess what we need to do is give the message to ICAD and
to our economic development people and to the Chamber and
anyone else involved in economic development issues that this
is unacceptable and that we realize sometimes time frames get
shortened with decisions getting made although I cannot
believe that a consolidation decision is a quick decision.
And I guess I want that message out there and feel very
trapped by this.
pigott/ I agree. Also there is another concern that I have and
that revolves around the whole issue of being put in a very
tough position. We either say yes to this application for CEBA
grant and gains jobs or say no and lose jobs. It feels sort
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of as though we are between a rock and a hard place and it is
not really a choice we have based on the merits of the
application. But solely do you want jobs in your community or
do you not. You know, it reminds me of the discussion that
people had after the incentive programs that were set up to
lure Mercedes Benz over to South Carolina. I believe it was
South Carolina, wasn't it. In after reflection, looking at
the incentive plan there, people started to question why is it
that they give X number of dollars to Mercedes Benz, this
incredibly huge corporation to move to South Carolina when
Mercedes didn't need those tax breaks. I think that we were
thrown into a cycle of competition with other cities which is
not necessarily fair and well, we as a city council, can't
necessarily address that on a day to day basis and we are
forced to react. We do want good jobs in our community. I do
feel it does put us in a tough position and I would like to
see some sort of federal legislation dealing with this precise
issues. Dealing with putting cities in a hard place. I
certainly can't blame Moore Business Forms which is really
just trying to take advantage of a good economic opportunity
and that makes a lot of sense. That said, I would like to say
also that I really appreciate some of the economic benefits
that our community could gain from such a proposal. And I
really do appreciate the good record that Moore Business Forms
does have in the community. People who I have talked with who
know people who work there said it is a good company. I did
want to preface my comments with that however.
Horow/ Mr. Smith, go ahead.
Mark Smith/ Councilors, I really do appreciate the opportunity to
share my opinion to the proposed public assistance to Moore
Business Forms. Actually there are many groups in town that
support this plan. Moore, of course, is more than ready to
receive the $675,000 of tax payer money. The 50 workers whose
jobs Moore is threatening are probably eager that you
facilitate this deal. Many retailers no doubt looked
positively on the prospect of the growing population implied
by promised of 130 new jObs in the community. Home builders
and Realtors may also profit by this decision. Some
unemployed or underemployed people may hope that such a deal
would improve their prospects. All of these groups have
legitimate concerns that should be heard and considered as
this decision is being made. I, however, am not a member of
any of these groups. I am speaking as a third grade teacher
in an overcrowded school and a homeowner and I don't think
this expenditure of public money is in my interest at all. I
believe there is a relationship between the sustainability and
the livability of a city and its size. I don't think we
understand that relationship fully but my instincts tell me
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that we are big enough. Iowa city is a pretty nice size right
now. As we get bigger we will inevitably face many big city
problems that we have so far been spared to a great extent.
Traffic congestion, crime problems, the anonymity of big city
life, and an ever over taxed infrastructure. And the suburban
sprawl that leaves more natural areas evermore remote and
degraded. We do not need more people. We do not need more
jobs for the sake for the sake of more jobs. We need to get
better not bigger. Now, the fact is that Iowa City is growing
and no doubt will continue to for the near future and we need
to deal with that reality in a welcoming and proactive way.
But we do not need to recruit people for heaven's sakes. Much
less spend my tax money to do so. Iowa city has a very low
unemployment rate in a state with a low unemployment rate
compared to most any place else. Is it right that we lure
businesses here away from other communities that may be losing
population and needing people and jobs to make their
communities viable. Or from big cities where ghastly
unemployment rates are devastating whole regions. While we on
the other hand are already taxing our infrastructure to the
limit. My school, Penn, is too big and growing fast and I
know of no plan to deal with that problem. We already have an
exceptionally tight housing market. We are f.acing the $46
million expense of a new water plant and much of that cost
seems to be related to projections of growth. If the
government is to hand our money over to individual businesses
with all the issues of free market fairness that that raises,
let it at least be to create jobs that our enhance our sense
of community and our health. Day care, social workers, mental
health workers, environmental planners, police, preventive
medical workers, Hospice and recreational facilities. If the
government has the funds to hand out there are many jobs that
can be imagined that would make this more humane and creative
and delightful place. But, dear councilors, I can assure you
that Iowa city will do quite well without Moore Business
Forms. When a farmer pours feed in the trough the pigs, not
knowing there future, eagerly and contentiously, line up to
get their share. with the big ones getting the most and going
to slaughter first. But we are not pigs. When the feds, as
with the airport, or the state, as with CEBA grants, lays out
the money we don't have to thoughtlessly rush to the trough.
We have the ability to think and to decide do we want what is
offered. Is it in our short and long term range interest. In
this case do we want and need more people in Iowa City. There
is another thing. How is it that items such as the pesticide
ordinance which are aimed at protecting and in some small way
the health and well being of citizens takes weeks or even
years of deliberations to resolve even thought they cost the
city almost nothing. But CEBA grants pop up and are dealt
with in a manner of days while involving many thousand of
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dollars. And impacting the city in fundamental ways. We, the
citizens, want time to consider these issues an we want you to
consider them fully. And I really do thank you for listening
and for providing this forum for sharing ideas.
Horow/ Thank you.
Pigott/ Thank you, Mark.
Throg. Thank you.
Horow/ Anybody else want to address council on this issue.
Kubby/ Usually I really by this time know what I think we should do
or what I should do. I don't know what I should do. I feel
very hesitant about voting for this because for the last three
CEBA grants we have said that we need more information, we
need more time, we need more thoroughness and we always say
yes to them as a group. So why should anybody change their
behavior. So is this the time I put my foot down and say no
for that reason although I said no last time for some other
reasons. But not for that reason specifically. If I say no
then people automatically say you are anti-business, you are
anti-job whether or not that is a my reason for voting no. I
get cast in a certain role and no one will see if I am in that
role or not in that role. If I say yes I do so without fully
thinking it is the right vote to do. And I know that
deferring is really not an option because in terms of
competition with other communities, if we defer then we are
out of the competition. Although I am maybe assuming that.
Is that true. If we should defer for two weeks that Iowa City
would not be considered for the expansion of the jObs.
Atkins/ If you were to defer then it is off of the DED application
and-
Kubby/It would be on their roll for February, couldn't it.
Atkins/ The decision is January 31.
Kubby/ I am asking can Iowa City still be in that pool of
applicants without the CEBA grant.
Robert Broadbear/ Iowa City would still be on the list of
applicants. What we would be doing is comparing what sense it
makes in this particular instance vs. what sense it makes in
the others. So it would be weighing the cost and the benefits
in both senses. But yes, Iowa City is still on the list. We
just compare different packages.
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Kubby/ I guess what this brings up to me is that when we are in
competition with other communities we haven't even -at least
maybe I missed it, don't know what communities we are in
competition with. So we don't know how our cultural factor or
those other factors that you look at weigh against the tax
factor that may be 7th or 8th on your list. So I have no way
of gauging how we are competing. I don't know what they have
offered. Maybe someone else has only offered $5,000. And I
know that maybe that is not to your advantage to give us that
information but it is to our community's advantage to try to
gather that kind of information before we make such a
decision. So I am yin yanging around. So persuade me.
Baker/ I don't think I can persuade you, Karen. Let me explain why
I am voting the way. Let me explain why I strongly support
this particular proposal and it is this particular proposal
and not this particular process. The last time this carne up
and the previous council it was the Millard thing, right. You
and Naomi opposed it. Absolutely correct, you should have and
it was a bad proposal and I am glad it went down. I think
your position was borne out by the facts that developed
afterwards. I cannot imagine the same problem with this
particular application. That is why I am comfortable doing
it. These are not a new business corning into town. These are
people that we know, people that have done a great deal for
this community. And quite honestly, with all for respect to
other speakers, jobs do matter. They matter to the people
that have them and to the people that might get them in this
community because not only do we need jobs we need jobs that
pay more than minimum wage. These pay more than minimum wage.
NoV/ We are employing an awful lot of people at minimum wage.
Baker/ You talk about learning more. I think the public needs to
be aware that what is our commitment. What are we doing to
them. We talked about this at the informal meeting. This is
a procedural obligation. We are giving them $100,000 loan
which they are going to pay back. We lose in the long run the
interest of inflation factor on that $100/000. In a sense we
are not giving away tax dollars for this. We have a tangible
return and it is important that we show a strong commitment to
this time for this particular project. There may be another
project coming down where I sit back with you and say look, I
am uncomfortable because I don't know enough. I don't know
these people, I think what we are getting involved with is too
much for some intangibles that may not develop. I go back to
that word particular because I am guided by the fact that we
have a concrete proposal in front of us that will do this
community a great deal of good.
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Kubby/ So basically you are saying that there is more community
good being served by those jobs that we will potentially get
than the small amount of risk beoause of the process.
Baker/ Oh sure.
Kubby/ Is that a fair-
Nov/ I question the financial risk. I called Don yucuis and said
what do we lose in interest on that $100,000 if we invest in
it and what do we gain in property tax for the addition to
this building or equipment of whatever. And he said it came
out about even. So if we do it or if we don't do it we are
about in the same position.
Lehman/ I think we are talking about a lot more than $100,000. I
think $100,000 to Moore is no big deal. But I think the
commitment to the community is very important. I think the
message that we send you and we send to other people who
potentially might like to come to this community, good jobs
and good companies, is terribly important. I support this
because Moore has been a great citizen in the community. They
have great work records. Your people stay there for years and
years and years and this is the kind of thing that makes a
really good community. Those jobs are very important. Those
jobs will sell homes, raise taxes to build schools.
pigott/ You mentioned the commitment that we have to as a
community-it would be important to us to show commitment to
Moore. One of the questions that I have is what kind of
commitment is a threat to cut 30 jobs from our community has
to our community when it says if you don't do this we will
take 30 jobs for you people who live in this community. I
feel, as a councilor, threatened. I feel threatened that if
I don't do this I will reflect an anti-jobs position and I
will be causing unemployment and because of that threat I
wonder well what sort of commitment can we ask of Moore and a
question that I pose is it is equally important for a company
to show a commitment to our city as it is and you rightly say
for our city to show commitment to its citizens. One of which
is Moore.
Robert Broadbear/ I just want to address that one point because
again, our number one concern is this is a feasibility study
at this point. That point cannot be lost on anyone and I hope
we have been clear. Our number one concern is our associates.
It always has been and always will be. We did not in any way,
shape or from try to convey the thought that we were
threatening jobs. In fact this process has been going on for
several months and we have been contacting a variety of
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communities and we have never brought that up. That issue has
never been surfaced. And the only reason it was here was
because that is a field that we had to fill in on the
application.
pigott/ What you are saying is you would not cut.
Broadbear/ I am saying that we have not surfaced this issue and
have not used it as a threat. We have been very cognizant not
to leave that impression. But it was a field that had to be
filled out. And that is the reason that you have seen it.
pigottl And it is a likely outcome. Would it be fair to say should
you not-
Broadbearl In this feasibility study, and I keep going back to
that, if it proceeds then likely if it does not turn out to be
Iowa city, those jobs would be centralized somewhere else. We
would make every attempt, if that occurs because we always
have, to offer early retirement, to offer severance packages,
to relocate employees, to try to find jobs in the facility for
them. That is a primary concern with us.
Horow/ Jim.
Throg/ I would like to make a brief statement. I would like to say
first of all I was deeply impressed by the statement that Mark
smith made. Whether you agree with him or whether I agree
with him or not he raised some really important issues and in
a wonderfully persuasive way. Which does not mean I agree
with him. In fact, on this particular issue, I am going to
disagree with my friend Mark and I will support this proposal.
However I want to state my intention real clearly on this
particular point, if we receive another proposal concerning
any other firm that requires us to decide quickly on the basis
of inadequate information and in a confidential way and if we
find that information we need to act on changes on the night
of the meeting that we are suppose to decide the application
on, then I will vote no. I want to be very clear about that.
But on this particular issue with regard to Moore for reasons
elaborated by other people I will vote yes.
Horow/ I appreciate that. I think that the council appreciates the
interest that you have in helping Iowa city retain and develop
a local company. A company that while it has international
ties is very deeply integrated into this community. I think
that the commitment that you have already shown to this city
through your very deep support of our united Way Campaign just
absolutely knows no parallel. And I appreciate my councilors
points of view on the process of CEBA. We are frustrate by it
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as I understand other communities are. I am sure that you as
an international company realize that there is no net gain.
The gain is just moving around from state to state in this
particular gain. But this benefit our community and we really
do appreciate your taking the interest and investing the value
in our community.
KUbby/I have one last question, I guess really for council, and
that is since-we never know when CEBA applications are going
to come to us and so I we tend to leave issues until we have
to decide on them. I am wanting some commitment by this group
to- I don't have a certain time
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Kubby/ That Sue and I gave as a base line. That we deal with this
as soon as it is feasible.
Horow/ I suggest that this be the issue of one of the focus groups
in which we discuss economic development because I think if we
had to ask ourselves are we going to from this point on
decline to even entertain CEBA grants that will give clear
signal to our economic development community. And I think
that maybe this is an issue, the process of CEBA grants, we
need to talk at a focus issue where we can really grapple with
it but have input for that we are not just talking to
ourselves on this. Would you-how does that go with anybody.
Baker/ When are we going to do that.
Pigott/ Sometime soon.
Horow/ Well, this is something that we have to set up when we are
going to do these focus groups.
Kubby/ You are talking about our quarterly informal work sessions.
Throg/ We talked about six.
Horow/ Let's take a look at the notes and go back. You probably
have them verbatim. We have got to get through January with
the budget and finish it all in February. We are making a
promise to ourselves to deal with this in the focus group. But
I would like to move on this one right now.
Roll call-(Yeses)
The resolution passes.
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Horow/ (3.G.(6)a-d) We have an issue right now, our Consent
calendar. We took out item #2G. (6) which dealt with memo from
the Traffic Engineering. At that point the Traffic
engineering is proposing parking prohibition on the west side
of Lowell street, parking prohibition on the north side of
High street, parking prohibition on Dunlap Court and parking
prohibition on Third Avenue. Today I called the principal of
city High to let him know about these items from the Traffic
Engineering. I would like to ask staff to make sure that the
Traffic Engineer send a copy, if there are any more streets in
that area, to send a copy or to any other principals of
schools that this sort of a prohibition would affect. Send a
carbon copy to the principals of those schools. Steve, can we
do that in the future.
Atkins/ certainly. In fact I had thought at one time there was
going to be some arrangements made that there was going to be
some continuing discussion.
Horow/ Could we have the door in the back closed, please.
Kubby/ Well, we had left it at this point that the student senate
at city High had taken names for a committee of people who
were interested on working on this issue and exploring some
options.
Horow/ I have asked the school senate president to come this
evening if you would be willing to address the council.
C. J. Douglas/ I am the student senate president from City High.
What we are looking at right now from the students'
perspective- we have 700 licensed drivers right now and in six
weeks we will have another 100 more and we have 150 spaces at
the school. We have already lost spaces on other streets
around school but the students are still driving and that is
going to continue happening. And from the students'
perspective if you shut down these streets also they are just
going to be parking farther and farther away which for both
the students and the parents is a concern with the cold
weather now and also with the construction of other things
going on. What is going to happen is, if this passes, we will
be back here in another month, maybe two months, with
neighbors of other streets discussing the exact same thing.
The students aren't going to stop driving. All we want right
now is time because the school board has three plans that we
have seen for a parking lot addition on city High that will
give us at least 200 more spaces. Hopefully that will cover
almost all the students that will be driving in the future.
At least the next couple of years. What we would like-we
don't want to be on these streets anymore than the residents
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want us there. What we want is just to get time so we can get
that built and then go ahead because we recognize that it is
a safety problem on those streets with our parking there.
Then go ahead and eliminate most of the parking out there. We
will probably still need some overflow parking there. But
once we have that parking lot we will be much more comfortable
in getting off of those streets.
Nov/ How many more spaces are you talking about.
Douglas/ The school board plan is between 180 and 200 more spaces.
Nov/ so, if you have 200 more spaces and you end up with a total of
350 spaces. You still have 700 drivers. How is this a
solution.
Douglas/ A large number of those don't drive. They either car pool
or get rides from parents and things like that. We maybe have
350, perhaps 400 cars that drive every day. That should
almost cover it. It certainly be a lot better than what we
have now.
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Douglas/ 700 drivers. What we have right now-juniors and seniors
have permits and that is about 500.
Throg/ You mentioned 100 other drivers, C. J. What was that-
Douglas/ Those are sophomores that will be completing driver's ed
and they will get their permits at the end of that or their
licenses.
Nov/ But they won't necessarily have a permit to park.
Douglas/ Right. That means they will have to park on the streets.
The sophomores, there is 100 now approximately and there will
be 200 then will be parking on the streets. 50-
Horow/ It is a loose situation. We even have a city High parking
sticker on our car but Kathryn doesn't use it every single day
of the week. Maybe once. But they have them just in case and
so that is the numbers that you are quoting. We did-I was at
the Parent Teacher Association meeting the other day where
these three plans that he is talking about were presented. I
don't remember the timing of that but I can't imagine that it
wouldn't happen until after the snow or certainly until spring
time takes place. We have got a problem here. The neighbors
have asked for prohibition on one side of the street at all
times and prohibition from eight to five, Monday through
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Friday, on the south side of Dunlap Court and similar
arrangement on Third Avenue.
Kubby/ For A. and B., parking prohibition on the west side of
Lowell street and north side of High street, these are not the
whole sides of the street. They are for a certain footage
from the intersection. It is, I believe, more of a safety
concern. I don't have a problem with those two. The other two
I do have a problem with and I would also like to revisit
Morningside Drive issue as a matter of fact. But the Dunlap
Court and the Third Avenue, both of them are cuI de sacs. And
I think I would like to prohibit parking along the cuI de sac
because they are so narrow it is hard for our service
vehicles, our garbage, etc., to get around there and there are
some substantially sized trees in each of those cuI de sacs
which get damaged when there is not enough room for vehicles
to get around. I don't have a problem with prohibiting
parking on the cuI de sac on Dunlap or Third but I do not want
to prohibit parking anymore than already is on Dunlap or Third
because currently is 200. There is no parking on the west
side of Third Avenue 200 feet already and I think that is for
some sight distance and intersections concerns.
Nov/ There are people parking there in illegal fashions. Blocking
driveways and things like that.
Kubby/ They have laws to take care to that.
Nov/ They seem to ignore the laws and that disturbs me. These are
kids who finished out of driver's ed. If anybody should know
those laws by heart these kids do. They are really not
unaware and that disturbs me.
Throg/ You don't mean to suggest that only students ignore laws.
Nov/ No. No, that is not true. Of course not. But we cannot say
that this is somebody like a University student who just came
to Iowa City who hasn't been here and doesn't know the
distance from the curb or the distance from the driveway
regulation. These are kids who were just trained. If anybody
knows the rules by heart it is these kids.
Horow/ C. J., I would like to ask you if the student senate has
made any attempt at education or let's try to work with the
neighborhood and don't park in somebody's driveway type of
campaign.
Douglas/ We have got clean up neighborhoods campaign because that
was one of the problems expressed by the neighbors on
Morningside. To try to control the litter problem. As far
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just as in parking too close to the curb that is just a
general problem that is talked about all the time just in
general. It is just a big thing. Nothing specifically has
been done but that kind of education is occurring anyway.
Nov/ My concern is that these are not people who need education.
These are people who have had driver's education. These are
people-they know the rules and they don't obey.
Douglas/ I would think then that that is a police matter and not-
There is not a lot we can do about those kinds of people.
Nov/ This it something that the student senate or somebody who
belongs to the school has to do something about. Because the
neighbors are not going to be home to complain. They are
going to corne home and find the driveways blocked. They won't
get in. That is not right. It happens far too often.
Kubby/ What essentially is a Darrel Courtney prediction about what
would happen has corne true. And it will continue on down
Third Avenue past Court street and the next neighborhood.
Horow/ I mentioned the word regionalization last year and this is
exactly what has happened. I knew it was going to happen.
What we are faced with though it's the school senate asking
for a delay of I would figure of approximately three months.
Maybe four months. Of course we really don't know that. That
is the problem.
Douglas/ Until we can get the parking lot built-
Kubby/ I am not sure it is appropriate to do it after that. I
mean, Chad, I can't remember his last name, someone wrote us
a letter saying public streets are public streets and that
prohibition of parking should be taken under consideration of
safety concerns and that was a very powerful argument for me.
Horow/ Thank you.
Kubby/ So instead of-usually we vote on these things all at once.
I would like to break up A. and B with C. and D. I would
like to move that we-I don't really know what the language is
because it is under correspondence but I move that we approve
the parking prohibitions as outlined under A. and B.
Pigott/ I second that.
Nov/Are you saying that you want to vote against C. and D.
Kubby/ I want to modify them.
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Horowl There is a motion on the table to approve prohibitions for
Lowell street and High street in (6) A. and B. Is there a
second.
pigott/ I seconded.
Novl I would second for the purpose of discussion.
Horowl Discussion is open. It has been moved and seconded.
Discussion.
Novl I would consider on C. and D. a deferral because I expect the
parking will be constructed this summer.
Horowl We are dealing with A. and B. right now. We have separated.
There is a motion-I thought the motion was just to separate.
Kubbyl No. The motion was to vote on-
Horow/To approve prohibition on A. and B.
Novl Okay. Sorry, I didn't understand that.
Horowl Is there any other discussion.
Roll call- Just a motion.
GentrYI It is part of the Consent Calendar.
Horowl But then it is part of an extraneous.
GentrYI Go ahead. Motion.
Horowl All those in favor signify by saying aye. (ayes) Okay, A.
and B. have been approved.
Now do you wish to make a motion to deal with C. and D.
Kubbyl I would like to modify the prohibition. Actually what I
would prefer to do is to throw back to our traffic engineer
the idea of prohibiting parking only along the cuI de sac
because of garbage trucks and snow plows and other city
service having a hard time getting around that cuI de sac
safely if there are cars parked on the cuI de sac and not
prohibiting it in other places along those two streets that
are not currently prohibited parking.
Horowl Karen has introduced a motion. We have no second.
Kubbyl I will make that a motion.
Bakerl I am sorry. I was doing my imitation of John McDonald.
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Kubby/ The motion was to give this back to the traffic engineer to
look at prohibiting parking only along the cu1 de sac.
Baker/ Second.
Horow/ It has been moved by KUbby, seconded by-
Atkins/ Before you vote. Is that implied. What we normally do,
for some of the newer council members, we send out a card, a
postal card survey and if you are going to change what they
saw on their original card survey do we not have an obligation
to send something back out to them and say look. We will send
them a new card survey saying the proposal is to do this, what
do you think. And then we can get a reaction back. Is that
okay.
Kubby/ If the traffic engineer says that-I guess either way I would
like to hear.
Atkins/ Okay.
Baker/We don't know what the proposal is yet. We just want to
revisit it.
Atkins/ Jim, for the newer council members, Jim has traditionally,
unless it is way way out in left field, is very much as
supportive of the neighborhoods. The neighbors are the best
judges of what the parking needs are and generally go along
with those.
Horow/ within the context of the existing construction that is
going on at the school and the proposal, because they do have
three proposals they are considering right now. I think if
this was explained.
Atkins/ There are extenuating circumstances I think and will have
construction activity going on in the neighborhood. We will
get back to them and say this building is going to be finished
next month or so and the parking- Remember like Kirkwood
community College and all of the troubles we had along Lower
Muscatine at the time.
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KUbby/ But we have to balance the whole community's needs.
Horow/ Exactly. But we also have a school safety meeting coming up
the 26 of January at 10 o'clock.
Atkins/ February 1.
Horow/ February 1 at 10 0'c10ok and we certainly can put this.
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Palmer. There is a motion on the floor to send this back to
the Traffic Engineer to modify it and send out new postcard
survey. All those in favor signify by saying aye (ayes).
Novl We didn't get any discussion on that.
Horowl What I would like to suggest is that because we have dealt
positively on both motions on sections (6) A" B., C., and D.,
should I now ask council to include this in the agenda with a
roll call. No. You are finished with it.
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Horow/ (#7) Moved by Kubby, secinded by Throg to consider the
resolution. Any discussion.
Lehman/ Just one question. We are talking about getting the bids
back on February 8 and we haven't even gotten them drawn up
yet.
Horow/ No, no. That was the advertising.
Fosse/ The plans and specifications are prepared and the
perspective bidders have been notified that they will be
available. '
Lehman/ That is all I wanted to know. That is fine.
Horow/ Great. Thank you.
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Sandy Richard M. Rhoades/ I ought to get a stamp to do this. I
live at 2014 Rochester Avenue and I would like to say that I
strongly support this resolution, ordinance, what is the
appropriate term.
Horow/ It is a contract.
Rhoades/ A contract. However I did notice two potential flaws in
the contract in a very brief examination. First of all Dr.
Drake's original concept plan said that you require water
depths in excess of three feet. In other words three to five
feet to support minnow populations over the winter time to
keep the mosquito population down in the summer time. The
current plans only for two -three feet and does not provide
for a deeper hole for the minnows to survive over the winter.
So it will probably have to be restocked every spring. If you
look at the-at one of the plans and I just have a tiny copy
that is not the right size anyway, there is sort of a horn
that extends southward off of the main wetland that has the
island in it. The main pond or whatever you want to call it.
At the juncture of that inlet and by the pond there could be
a deeper hole that could give you some potential for having
minnows survive over the winter time. There is that
criticism. And then secondly I was looking at the list of
native species that was going to be planted. Looked wonderful
to me except one small omission in that some native species
have been selected for domestic purposes. Your contract does
not specifically exclude those and how did I phase it here -
those domesticated named cultivars of native species. One of
them in particular, switch grass, has some very aggressive
ones that might otherwise meet your criteria and could expand
and totally take over the whole area if that particular
genetic line used. And there really has to be something in
the contract that would specifically exclude these every
aggressive cultivars. So-
Throg/ Sandy, could you very very briefly explain to me what you
mean by have been selected.
Rhoades/ This gets on the real border of my knowledge but people
have gone out and looked for particular strains of these
particular plants that are used in CRP land. The Conservation
Reserve Program that will seed very easily and take over very
quickly and they have absolutely uniform genetics. This is
not what we are after. We are after a natural type of
setting. Not a domesticated field that is suppose to
approximate some sort of native setting which it really isn't.
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out of the wild gene pool for these very domestic characters.
But they are still native species.
Horow/ I have a question for staff. Rick, is this something that
we are able to do in terms of selecting out aggressive
cultivars.
Fosse/ With us tonight is Scott Wallace, Shive Hattery Engineers
and Architect, and I will let him address those questions.
Scott Wallace/ With Shive Hattery Engineers and Architects. I was
the design engineer on the project and I can address some of
Sandy's concerns which I think are very legitimate. First of
all his comment in regards to the depth of the wetlands slough
that we have created. Three to five feet is the target depth
for having enough water all winter long such that minnow
populations in that slough can over winter. That has to be
traded off against some potential safety issues of having this
be an area that is suitable for people to go walk in,
potentially children to go wading in and we quite frankly
reach a compromise of a maximum depth of three feet because of
the safety issues. That may certainly require periodic
restocking of the minnow populations in that slough. We could
certainly modify the plans to create an area of deeper water
if that is in the city's best interest but in the design
process we were looking at the desirability of being able to
over winter those fish populations but we also have the safety
aspect to deal with. The second comment of Sandy's that is
again a point that is very well taken. I think what he is
trying to say is that ideally we would like to use wild
varieties of wild plants. Not commercial or domesticated
strains of wild plants. We have already restricted the source
of seed supply in this project such that it has to be
indigenous to the upper midwest and it has to come from a U.S.
Department of Agriculture zones 4 or 5 which covers this area
of the country. The reason for that is we want to exclude
some very well known cultivars that are grown in Kansas,
Oklahoma, the southern Missouri that do not have the
appropriate germination for flowering and seed times for this
part of the country. We have discussed internally the option
of trying to specify wild varieties of wild species or more
specifically exclude any potential commercial varieties and it
becomes an issue of how you enforce that in the contract and
how the individual can really prove to you that he is indeed
using a wild variety of a wild seed type and not a commercial
variety.
Horow/ Thank you.
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establish exactly what it is, is there something in there that
will speak that issue so that it is clear to the bidders what
we are after. I think it will be fairly clear but the more
explicit we can be in our contract the more what we envision
will actually happen.
Wallace/ Right. We could add a statement to the bidding documents
that states that we do not want to see these commercial
varieties. We want to use wild types of seed and leave it at
that to try to explain to them what we want. Like I said,
that would be a very difficult contract provision to enforce
in the field and on the job site. But we can certainly add
that to the bidding documents to clarify that situation.
Kubby/ If we wanted to amend the language to include such a
sentence, Linda, can we do that tonight and still vote on it.
Gentry/ They are on file-I would not say that that is a major
substantive change. They are on file in the city clerk's
office.
Wallace/ Yes they are.
Gentry/ Give staff direction to that affect.
Fosse/ If you have desires for changes on this project they can be
handled by addendum and that will not affect the plans and
specifications that are issued tomorrow. They will just be an
addendum that will go out to amend them at a later date.
KUbby/ If we wanted to so that tonight could we add them as an
addendum for tomorrow night so people on the very front end
know that.
Fosse/ It probably won't happen tomorrow morning but it will happen
soon after that. Whatever you decide tonight we can
incorporate into the project in a timely manner.
KUbby/ Thanks.
Horow/ Is it your intentions that you want to go into that this
evening.
Nov/ It is a one sentence addition.
Horow/ Is there anybody else that would like to address the council
on this.
Dan Daily/ I live at 17 Regal Lane just a couple of blocks from
this site. You Honor and members of the council, employees and
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fellow citizens of Iowa city I am here tonight representing
the Grantwood Neighborhood Association to express our support
and our appreciation for your support of the Whispering
Meadows Wetland Park. Our state is one of only seven that is
lost more than 80% of its wetlands. USDA Soil and Water
Conservationist for Johnson County Wayne Peterson places this
loss at over 90%. While we may celebrate the productive uses
to which former wetlands have been converted surely we have
diminished the natural beauty of our land. Wetlands are to
the midwest what tropical rain forests are to South America or
what coral reefs are to the oceans. In no other place in the
midwest can be found a greater diversity and abundance of
life. For Iowa Wetlands, this includes not just birds and
fish but also the plants, insects, amphibians, reptiles and
mammals. Our entire community benefits from our wise
preservation of the woods of Hickory Hill Park. Soon native
prairie will bloom next to Grantwood School. The Whispering
Meadows Wetland will off an excellent compliment to these
natural areas. The Neighborhood Open Space Plan adopted by
this council on July 20 last year found a deficit of open
space in the Grantwood Neighborhood. Since this study was
completed, steady and rapid growth has continued in our
neighborhood. The wetland park will favorably impact this
deficiency. But far from being a neighborhood park, there
seems to be every reason to expect the unique attractions of
this site will bring people from all over out city. with this
in mind we hope that council will take no action precluding
access to the park from Lakeside Drive or Hollywood Blvd. for
future development. It would be nice to have a spot to put a
school bus or several cars without crOWding less arterial
streets and cuI de sacs which are now the access points to
this park. Of course the task of restoring a wetland that has
been farmed for six decades will not be easily not quickly
accomplished. The present plan originally conceived by
Professor Lon Drake and refined by Scott Wallace and Joyce
Powers seems to address the complexities and limitations very
well. It will take a few years for the vision proposed in the
plan to come into focus. The area will certainly not be pretty
after grading takes place and before lush vegetation comes
into bloom. We welcome your assistance educating the public
about the process of creating this park and enlisting
volunteer efforts to bring about future enhancements such as
those that are suggested in the Shive Hattery blue prints.
Our neighborhood looks forward to sharing with the wider
community the joys of catChing tadpoles and Chasing dragon
flies and watChing great blue heron. Thank you very much.
Horowl Thank you.
Carol Thompsonl Tonight I am here as a representative of the
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Society of Wetland Scientists which is a professional of
organization of the wetland scientists. surprisingly enough.
I, too, am here to support the Whispering Meadows Plans. This
is an excellent opportunity in an urban setting to allow
people to experience wetlands. I would support one of the
previous statements made about allowing access because one of
the things that we have seen, for instance at Huntley Meadows
in the Washington D. c. area, is that use of such a wetland
park is enormous. Matter of fact there is an article in
Audubon where several of the legislative staff said that this
is where they go to think. But also in terms of the school
groups and things like that. We have nowhere and I have been
approached by several school groups often to do some sort of
wetland thing. Our nearest one is quite a distance and I think
that this will be actively used by school groups in the future
and others and so that I would urge you to adopt this and
perhaps consider adding to the educational facilities in the
future there like the signs, brochures, etc., things like
that. Thank you.
Throg/ Thank you.
Horow/ Is there anyone else.
The pUblic hearing is closed.
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Iowa City City Council
Regular Council Meeting
January 18, 1994
Page 11
ITEM NO.9.
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CONSIDER RESOLUTION APPROVING PLANS, SPECIFICATIONS, FORM OF
CONTRACT AND ESTIMATE OF COST FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE
WHISPERING MEADOWS WETLAND PARK PROJECT, ESTABLISHING
AMOUNT OF BID SECURITY TO ACCOMPANY EACH BID, DIRECTING CITY
CLERK TO PUBLISH ADVERTISEMENT FOR BIDS AND FIXING TIME AND
PLACE FOR RECEIPT OF BIDS AT 10:30 A.M. FEBRUARY 8,1994.
Comment: See comment above.
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ITEM NO. 10 - ANNOUNCEMENT OF VACANCIES.
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a. Current Vacancies.
(1) Board of Library Trustees - One vacancy for an unexpired term
ending July 1, 1997. (Gary Lundquist resigned.)
(2) Civil Service Commission - One vacancy for a six-year term ending
April 1 , 2000. (Mieh8ell(enne~';'s term ends.1 -
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These appointments will be made at the March 1, 1994, meeting of the
City Council.
b. Previously Announced Vacancies.
(1) Historic Preservation Commission - Two vacancies for three-year
terms ending March 29, 1997; one for a representative of the
Woodlawn District and one at-large. (Terms of Douglas Russell
and Ginalle Swaim and.)
These appointments will be made at the February 16, 1994, maeting of
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1997. (Terms of Tim Finer and Joyce Patton end.l
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December 31, 1999. (Alan Bohanan's term ends. I
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Horow/ (#9) Is there a motion. It has been moved by Mr. Pigott,
seconded by Mr. Throg. Any discussion.
Kubby / I would like to amend the specifications by adding and
addendum or the appropriate from to add the sentence about
Horow/ Are you making a motion to do that.
Kubby/I am making a motion to do that.
Horow/ Is there a second.
Pigott/ Second.
Horow/ Moved by Kubby, seconded by Pigott to amend the contract to
add an addendum to the contract that will go out for
specifications dealing with the cUltivars. Just the cultivars
or the . Any discussion.
All those in favor signify by saying aye-
Throg/ I am not sure that Rick is clear about what we are
addending. What the addendum is. Are you clear-okay.
Horow/ Okay we are going back to the original motion with the
amendment now to adopt this resolution.
Roll call-
NoV/ No.
Horow/ No, no, no.
NoV/ I hear people saying there will be a lot of school groups and
there will be no room for school buses and I need to hear Rick
or somebody answer that question.
Atkins/ Susan, that was a question that I was going to ask. Rick,
are we precluded at some time, I know the words are not good,
but are we talking about building a parking lot. I know those
words hurt but that is what we are talking about. Getting
buses off of the street so kids can get at-
Kubby/ Why can't they make arrangements and park at Grantwood and
have a hike to the wetlands so that we don't have to have more
concrete in the park. There is some reasonable distances
there that we are talking about.
Atkins/ I think what is going to happen there, Karen, is that the
neighbors are probably going to have a little trouble witn
that idea because of, for example, on the weekend they think
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they may see parking along the street, Lakeside Drive. I
think- My impression is they are willing to wait it out. I
suspect that sooner or later there is going to be pressure.
I don't want to speak for the neighborhood but I suspect
something like that could occur.
Novl Yeah, I suspect also.
Horowl Rick-
Fossel Currently, as I pointed out, first of all let me show you
what this is. The green outlines the park area. The brown is
the trail. The blue here-
Horowl RiCk, excuse me, could you possibly slant that at least one
camera can pick that up.
Fossel The blue is the slough that will be constructed. The larger
blue area is the storm water detention area that is already in
place. Access points for the park currently come off the end
of the cuI de sacs. The potential exists in the future for us
to extend the trail around the northside of the detention
basin and link up with Lakeside Drive at that point. But
right now we don't have enough money in the budget to
completely finish this trail portion that is going on now. We
have got a little gap right here where a boardwalk will need
to be constructed. We hope to use volunteer labor or
inexpensive labor later to accomplish that. So a trail around
in the north is a potential item for the future.
Horowl And where would the parking take place right now. At the
cuI de sac.
Fossel CuI de sacs and Whispering Prairie Avenue. And I don't
think that there is parking allowed on Lakeside drive right
now.
Horowl Okay. Thank you.
Atkinsl Is there a spot that ultimately folks could come in and say
pull off immediately before even entering the neighborhood and
then head into the park putting in a paved surface if that was
necessary.
Fosse/ I don't think so.
Novl I cannot picture a school bus going into a cuI de sac and
backing out again.
Atkins/ They are going to park on Lakeside.
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Mary Lewis/I am with the Grantwood Neighborhood Association. I
just wanted to point out something on the map here.
Horow/ Would you sign in Mary, please.
Lewis/ One thing I would like to point out is that the area, I
guess this doesn't show too much, but the housing around this
area which is where the accesses will be are are duplexes and
it is a very small cuI de sac. So I don't think that there is
going to be a lot of parking for anyone to park along those
streets. You have to come in from Lakeside Drive, go down
through the neighborhood to get to these accesses also.
Something that we had thought would be ideal would be if you
or someone could settle on an entrance area for the park.
Right now it is just kind of random entrancing through the
neighborhood. You know, if there could be an entrance on this
end somewhere with some parking it would be perfect. And I
realize that some of the property-this property here is not
developed yet but it is prime property so I don't know how
that would work. Maybe even something-of course you would
still have to go through the neighborhood at the other end but
there isn't really a good place to park right now and there is
no parking on Lakeside Drive and it is a busy road and there
is more housing being proposed along that street so I don't
know how that will work for parking. It will be Okay in the
short term. In the long term when things get going maybe it
won't be. And so i guess that is up to you people on how you
want to handle it but I think it may be a problem in the
future. The thing I hate to see is this land around here that
might be available won't be available by the time it is
needed. It will be-
Horow/ What land is available.
Lewis/ The land that isn't developed I should say.
Nov/ Where is Grantwood School. How far is Grantwood School.
Lewis/ It is about 4-5 blocks, 5-6 blocks down. About 4-5 blocks
down the street.
Kubby/ But they are not long blocks.
Nov/ So the potential of a school bus parking on school grounds if
they came from somewhere else and then walking.
Lewis/ They could cross Lakeside and then walk.
Nov/ Is there a safe walking area there.
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Lewis/ Lakeside Drive is getting busier. crossing it can be kind
of difficult. They can cross Lakeside Drive. They have to
cross about four or five streets to get there and then come up
in the neighborhood and down the cuI de sac. So it is kind of
a long walk if you go to these accesses. If they open one up
to Lakeside Drive it won't be quite as bad. They won't have
to go right into the neighborhood to walk there.
Horow/ Would it be about a ten minute walk.
Lewis/ About 10-15 minutes.
Horow/ So that would take about 10 minutes off of the walking tour
around the wetlands.
Nov/ Takes 20 minutes off. They have got to get back too.
Lewis/ Again, it won't be something that they really need to go see
for a year or two. It won't be really ready but it is
something that with the property that is not developed around
there I don't know if there is a possibility of that being
anything useful or not. It is something that we wanted to
point out.
Horow/ Thank you, Mary. Thanks, Rick.
Kubby/ Steve, were you going to say something else.
Atkins/ No, Mary pretty much articulated what I was trying to think
about. If there is some other way, privacy entrance through
the cuI de sac can be an attractive feature and it can also be
an unattractive feature depending on your perspective. Well,
if the park is going to be ended up being more for regional
nature and start drawing folks and if we do in fact do the
educational efforts that appear to be of interest. I think
you are going to find yourself stuck. You are going to have
to have some sort of a parking facility assigned where you can
pull in and park and head on into the thing. The only thing
I can think of is just immediately to the right there. We may
have to purchase a piece of ground. Let us look at that. I
wouldn't hold the project up. Let us go back because I think
those points are well taken.
Horow/ Okay. Is there anymore discussion.
Roll call- (yeses)
The resolution has passed.
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Nov/ I would like to suggest that since we did not have anyone
apply to the Senior Center commission that we add it to the
list again. Could we do that.
Horow/ Thank you. Sure.
Pigott/Yes, I would support that.
Nov/ And shall we say for February 15 or do we have to delay it
longer than that.
Karr/ That is a council decision. Typically we put it on for 30
days.
Nov/ That is four weeks. That is pretty close. It has been
advertised so many times.
Horow/ What is your pleasure.
Kubby/ Put it on again.
Horow/ Put it on for another two weeks. Okay, put that on again.
Nov / For February. February 1, okay. That is not what I was
saying. I was asking for the 15th because we are not getting
anybody. There is no reason why we couldn't do February 1.
I will go along with that.
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citizen to be on that commission.
understand that.
have to be a senior
Maybe people don't
Horow/ I think that is very real. I don't think people really do
understand that they do not have to be a senior citizen to be
on the Senior citizen Commission and we urge you to consider
that appointment.
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c. Consider an appointment to the Senior Center Commission to fill one
vacancy for a three-year term ending December 31, 1996. (Re-advertise-
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Action:
d. Consider an appointment to the Airport Commission to fill a vacancy for
a six-year term ending March 1, 2000. IPat Foster's term ends.
IContinued from January 4, 1994.)
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a. City Manager.
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pigott/ I have two or three things. First I will start out with a
conversation I had with Carol Carlson, Goodwill Industries,
this past weekend. I don't know how many of you are aware of
her recent efforts to start up a program to pick up
recyclables from restaurants and from grocery stores of Iowa
City area. She has worked really hard to try to make it
happen. Surveyed over 100 businesses in the Iowa City area
all of whom agreed that this was a necessary. And she even
made an agreement with City Carton to have her, if she was
able to pick up this stuff, to have it taken by City Carton.
She wanted to apply for a grant through DNR that will enable
her to pick up a gravity loading trailer as well as a pick up
truck. And she asked the companies that wanted this service
whether they would be willing to pick up part of the cost of
doing it and she received a somewhat negative reply and I
think it is a really good idea. I think having Goodwill do
this with Goodwill help and getting people involved with
recycling and making them conscious of this sort of thing is
important. Also it saves in the reduction of the stuff that
goes to the landfill which I think is very important. I don't
know whether we can discus at some other point in time or in
another format, informal meeting, finding a way to help this
woman out financially and I just like to bring that up with
you folks. I don't know whether or not this has been
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County Technical Advisory Committee on Solid Waste because it
seems to me that if it was possible to submit a proposal for
DNR grant. It certainly has not come through the pipeline.
I know Goodwill has already been picking up bottles out of
Cedar Rapids.
pigott/ I believe that the thing that has really inhibited her
option. The idea that she could-she has got so much more
money she thinks she has to collect in order to make this
service go and I am thinking well if she could get the grant
and everything else goes through and why don't we work to see
that the other end of it, the financial end that yeah, we can
help her manage. If we can work everything else out. I think
it is just a real good idea.
Horow/ Why don't you have her talk to Brad Neuman about this.
Nov/ Also find out why the people who are getting their recyclables
picked up want to have it done for free. They have to pay if
they send it to the landfill. They ought to give her $50 a
ton even if it is based on a ten pound increment.
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Pigott/ I think that they thought that it would be a lot more money
than that. So they saw it as a really great idea but they-
Kubby/ There are grant possibilities from the DNR.
Horow/ Anything else.
Pigott/ Yes. I have number of other things. One of the other
things was a thing we talk about often and I just wondered if
steve, perhaps you could tell me whether the Chamber set up
this ADA group of people yet. If you know-
Atkins/ I don't think they have officially done that. We sent the
correspondence off to them. I think it has been at least a
mont or six weeks ago. Dale did a follow up letter to the
DTA. I have not heard back from them. But we will find out
for you.
Horow/ On the 20th, you know, there is the Chamber and the Civil
Rights Commission compliance with the ADA series from one to
four at the library.
Pigott/ Just aSking for an update on that. Two more things. We
had a proclamation tonight about water and I thought it was a
really appropriate one considering decisions that we were
going to be making on the Water Plant and I wanted to state
that the city is preparing a series of water informational
meetings in case people haven't heard about the proposed Water
Plant in February and March on Thursday, February 17, at 7PM
a meeting will be held in the Grantwood Neighborhood, although
I'm not sure where, and on Sunday the 27th will be held at 3PM
in the Northside Neighborhood. In addition to that I wanted to
say as we talk about what kind of Water Plant we want in the
community, it's important we note ways in which we can
conserve water to help us reduce the need for perhaps the need
for as large a Water Plant. And I'd like to offer a little
tip. Check your toilets. My tip of the night. Did you know, I
don't know how many people know out there, that 75% of water
use in a home is from your toilet. A quiet hissing sound, the
very quietest where you can put your ear down to the toilet to
hear it, is wastes a lot of water, wastes 720 cu ft in the
billing cycle that you have.
Nov/ Are you talking about a leak.
Pigott/ Yes.
Nov/ A little dripping sound.
Pigott/ Yes, a loud dripping sound wastes 216 cu. ft. of water per
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day, 1,512 per week, and 12, 960 cu. ft in a billing cycle.
It is significant. And knowledge of that sort of information.
Help people check their toilets, check their water fixtures,
help them save both on their water bill and help us conserve
water for the city. And then one final-
Nov/ If your bill goes up particularly that is the-
Pigott/ That is right. One final thing is there are two one act
plays at the Senior Center this Friday since no one came at
the public information time. On the Porch and The Old Lady
Shows Her Medal. They are at 1:00 and 3:30 PM, Friday,
January 21. The tickets are for free and there are only
tickets leff for the 3:30 performance so please come and see
the show.
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Thank you very much. Jim-
Throg/ It is late.
Horow/ Thank you very much, Jim.
Nov/ Yes, it is late but I am going to say while we on water
meetings, there will be a LWV sponsored water meeting February
3, Iowa City Public Library, 7:00 PM, Meeting Room A. Panel
discussion followed by a nice opportunity to get all of your
questions answered. So, come.
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implementing the classification study for our employees.
Atkins/ Vote, no. It is negotiated with employees.
Kubby/ So we don't accept the report or nothing directly comes
through us.
Atkins/ I assume we can bring you the document and show you the
results of it but it was agreed early on to be subject to
negotiations with employee groups.
Kubby/ In a certain way I think that is a very appropriate-
Atkins/ You ultimately vote on the contract, I guess you are
voting-
Helling/ The classification plan will be or at least it always has
been part of the AFSME Contract. When that all comes together
for you that will be part of it.
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Kubby/ Okay. It would seem that I don't know what kind of policy
issues are associated with how you are directed to negotiate
but I hope that is part of our conversation when we talk about
negotiations.
And we also got a memo in the back of our packet about putting
minutes on Internet from the city Clerk and I think she is
looking for some kind of policy direction. I don't want to
open up that conversation tonight but request that at our next
informal meeting that we spend some time.
Atkins/ January 31.
Kubby/ Oh, that is that real heavy one. I feel like we need to
move on this but I would be willing to wait until the 14th to
specifically talk about it and I can talk with Marian about
some additional questions that I have that maybe she could get
answers to before that time. But she really can't move it
seems without some direction from from us. Is that true,
Marian.
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Lehman/ It is late.
Baker/ I have two wives inform me that I am not very informative
after 11:00 PM so I am going to cut short anything I had on
the agenda here. I was going to express my condolences to the
city staff about having to stay late for these meetings but
then I noticed in the Press citizen today they published the
salaries and I lost all sympathy for these people. So
midnight, it is a flat fee, it is all right. So, that is all.
too, and all of things that we
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Horow/ I would like to comment that wEhave a special formal meeting
on 24 January at 6:30 PM for the Joint Urban Fringe Agreement
P.H., Room A at the Library. 6:30 PM. January 24,6:30, Room
A at the Library, Joint Urban Fringe Agreement P. H. The
second thing I would like to ask the public is to please
shovel your sidewalks. These sidewalks are not being shoveled
in a timely manner and fashion. For your own safety. For the
safety of everybody else, I urge you to shovel your own
sidewalks.
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Agenda
Iowa City City Council
Regular Council Meeting
January 18, 1994
Page 13
ITEM NO. 14 - CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING APPLICATION FOR GRANT
'11- I~ MONIES FROM THE IOWA DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
FOR COMMUNITY ECONOMIC BETTERMENT ACCOUNT (CEBA) FUNDS TO
ASSIST MOORE BUSINESS FORMS' EXPANSION AND AUTHORIZING CITY
PARTICIPATION IN THE FORM OF A $100,000 LOAN.
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Comment: Moore Business Forms is requesting a forgivable loan under the
State of Iowa Community Economic Betterment Account (CEBA). Undar
CEBA, it is appropriate for the city in which the business is located to make
application to the State on behalf of the business.
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ITEM NO. 16 - CONSIDER A RESOLUTION REPEALING RESOLUTION NO. 78-9 OFTHE CITY
q4- 2./ COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF IOWA CITY AND APPROVING A NEW RESOLU-
TION SETTING FORTH RULES OF ORDER FOR T"'E CONDUCT OF FORMAL
COUNCIL MEETINGS.
Comment: As per Council direction the order of business has been changed
to allow public discussion after the consent calendar, prior to Planning and
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ITEM NO. 16. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION RESCINDING RESOLUTION NO. 93.336
APPROVING A CHAPTER 28E AGREEMENT WITH JOHNSON COUNTY,
IOWA CONCERNING CERTAIN ROAD MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES, AS
NOT FULLY EXECUTED.
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Comment: On December 17,1993, staff recommended, and City Council
approved, a 28E Agreement with Johnson County on the City and County's
respective maintenance responsibilities for roads along the newly-annexed
and subdivided area known as Windsor Ridge. Sinca certain mIsunderstand-
ings then arose, but have no~een corrected, Public Works Director and City
Attorney recommend rescinding the earllar Resolution and agreement because
it was not executed by the County, and approving a new agreement, see
item balow. The County will maintain Taft Avenue and Lower West Branch
Road, and the City will maintain American Legion Road at their respective
Jurisdictional standards.
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Horow/ (#15) I really like to sort of talk about this in a couple
of weeks at a work session in terms of definition of pUblic
discussion and wonder if we couldn't defer this.
Nov/ I thought we were just talking about the public discussion
section where something is not on the agenda.
Horow/ Well, the whole question comes down to what is pUblic
discussion.
Baker/ Is that separate from when we have the public discussion.
Horow/ No. No, not necessarily.
Kubby/ I am ready to vote.
Nov/ It is on every agenda.
Horow/ I still think-you have got a situation like tonight where we
had the CEBNA grant which the some of the public wanted to
comment on it but we do not have a public discussion laid out
for it.
Kubby/ And we have at our discretion to open up-
Horow/ We do but we can do this in a more reasonable manner. P/Z
Commission does it. They put down under each item public
discussion. If it is for the second and third vote, at least
if you take it up everyone knows that there is going to be
public discussion for it.
Gentry/ But then it is followed by action.
Baker/ But then it is on the agenda. We are talking about public
discussion not on the agenda.
Horow/ We can certainly deal with this resolution tonight but I do
think in the way I look through the various papers that have
come part of history, there is a need to have a little bit
more information.
Nov/ Are you saying that you want every resolution to list the
words public discussion.
Horow/ I think we should look at what public discussion is for and
when it occurs.
Hgrew/ But that doesn't have anything to do with this resolution.
This resolution just says there will be a period of public
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Gentry/ It does because public discussion as it has been used in
past practices means items not on the agenda. And I think
Madam Mayor has some different ideas about what public
discussion means. Whether it includes items on the agenda or
not which is quite a departure from past practices. And in
terms of due process I really encourage you not to adopt a
resolution where you have two diverging definitions of public
discussion and the public will have no idea what to expect at
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this council now for six years and I have always assumed that
the word public discussion, it is even broached as public
discussion of any item not on the agenda. Not on the agenda.
Okay. And people would get up from the Senior Center of
whatever and I want to make sure that either that continues or
if council wants to change it that it is changed. This
evening we had people who wanted to speak on the pesticide
ordinance and there was no place under the way we currently
handle things to do it within a certain control of council.
I mean we all agree that we want to move council along and not
stay here until midnight. We do-the way the agenda is set up
right now there is no clear place for public input into a
resolution or an ordinance during the second or third
consideration. I don't even know that there should be and yet
I sense that the council doesn't want to thwart people when
they want to say something. But this is not clear.
Pigott./ But that is why I thought you handled that particular
issue on the pesticide specifically rather well and I don't
think that the movement of the public discussion from one
place in the agenda to the next would inhibit your ability to
do such a thing. I mean you did a great job.
Horow/ You are talking about ad hocing it and I would like to know-
this is what happened to night.
Pigott/ I think we are only talking about moving the stated public
discussion from one spot where it is currently to another.
Gentry/ I think there is some confusion about what- Public
discussion you can have any time at any place at your
discretion. This is a public meeting and your discussing an
issue and it certainly sUbject to public input. And you can
decide that as your prerogative. You know we will limit you
to a minute or we will open it up. It doesn't have to be
listed on the agenda as pUblic discussion.
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Mayor's that if item 16 there is no p.h. but people are there
to speak the Mayor has allowed them to speak. It is only
recently that that has been challenged actually with our last
mayor is it fair those kinds of issues.
Horow/ No, but that didn't use to happen. I mean it really didn't.
In other words the input from the public would come in during
a p.h. on an issue in a timely and orderly manner. After that
point when we started considering it, it the public wanted
input they were urged to either write to council or call
council and get the input that way rather than each
consideration having more public input at the podium and I am
urging us to think about this because look, it is 11:05 and we
really going to try to control these meetings so that we don't
lose visitors. In other words we are losing the impact of the
meeting by dragging it out for lengthy times.
Kubby / It just brings up that we have complicated issues that
people want to have input on. In that sense, is a positive
sign.
Horow/ I agree, but they can't get to us.
Kubby/ Whether we have public discussion at the front end of the
meeting which portrays a value other than waiting a little
while doesn't preclude us talking about these issues more.
Horow/ But public discussion, remember, has traditionally been only
for those items that are not on the agenda.
Kubby/ And I don't have a problem with keeping it that way and that
if at item 16 someone in the audience says I really would like
to speak, we allow them to speak and we might limit the time
if 20 people want to speak.
Throg/ I agree. Let's understand it that way.
Gentry/ I am concerned that you are going to have a hiatus between
the time of discussing a particular issue that you are going
to vote upon two hours later and for in terms of due process
it is important that people be able to hear and have an
opportunity to be heard for purposes of your discussion
making. And to separate the discussion for the decision
making disturbs me as a lawyer.
Throg/ What I understood is the majority of the council is clearly
saying that we want to define public discussion to mean items
not explicitly identified or included on the agenda.
Gentry/ Right. But as I understand it the discussion was to
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separate all of the items included on the agenda from the
decision making.
Throgl No. We want to define public discussion, that category-
pUblic discussion, to mean that we want to move it up to the
front. We want to-
GentrYI Then I must have misunderstood Susan's.
Throgl She is raising a question about how to handle a particular-
Nov/Susan was aSking a different question which really is not part
of this resolution.
Lehmani That is a different issue in fact.
Horowl Well, the way I thought about it, it was simply because it
all comes under the heading of input and trying to do things
in an orderly manner without getting yourselves into a five
hour meeting.
KUbbYI People will talk under public discussion or under the agenda
at the time that is either here or there.
Horowl How many- well, okay.
Bakerl Can we vote on moving the agenda item.
Horowl Let's move on this one. As a matter of fact I have lost the
number. We are on item #15.
GentrYI And everyone understands that it is items not on the
agenda.
Novl Right. What we are doing here is repealing an old resolution.
GentrYI Right but the definition stays the same.
Throgl Yes. Correct.
Horowl I have to say that I still think there is more elements to
this than what we are doing right now.
Novl Those elements can come up another day. Okay.
Horowl Roll call-
Karrl I am sorry, do we have a motion on the floor.
Horowl It has been moved and seconded (pigott/Throg) that we
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Horow/ (#16) Chair would entertain a motion to approve this
resolution. Moved by Nov, seconded Baker to approve the
resolution. Any discussion.
Kubby/ I do have a problem about part of this and I don't know if
there is a resolution and that is the people who live along
Taft Avenue-Although I don't know if it means people have to
have an address on Taft Avenue that they would be assessed for
dust control. If their backyards face Taft would they be
assessed.
Gentry/ No. If they abut. I don't know Chuck.
Kubby/ Is it address or abutment.
Schmadeke/ It wouldn't be any assessment by either jurisdiction.
Those that request dust control would have to pay for it.
Kubby/ So we are placing some city residents in the position of
having some trouble with dust on Taft Avenue and if they want
it alleviated they have to pay for it.
Schmadeke/ That is correct.
Gentry/ Yes because that is the county's pOlicy.
Kubby/ It is the county's pOlicy. I understand that and it is just
another on a long list of things that I would like to make
Realtors tell people when they are selling property.
Gentry/ It is going to be recorded. Both our agreement and the
agreement between the county and the developer is going to
take on that obligation for what-three years.
Kubby/ So after that, if you have got a good layer who tells you
everything, you will find it. God, that is such a big if.
Horow/ Any further discussion.
Baker/ I was going to ask a question about item #17 but since Rick
was up here I figured now. Is that all right.
Horow/ No, no, no. Let's do a roll call on this.
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Iowa City City Council
Regular Council Meeting
January 18, 1994
Page 14
ITEM NO. 17 - CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING A CHAPTER 28E AGREEMENT
'i.oj'. 23 BETWEEN JOHNSON COUNTY, IOWA AND THE CITY OF IOWA CITY,IOWA
FOR CERTAIN ROAD MAINTENANCE PURPOSES.
ITEM NO. 18.
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CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTH021NG THE CITY MANAGER TO SUBMIT
AN APPLICATION FOR AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ADMINISTRATION
SPECIAL DISASTER RECOVERY GRANT FOR THE PURPOSE OF FUNDING A
PROJECT TO ELEVATE NORTH DUBUQUE STREET.
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submit a proposal briaf for funding a project to elevate North Dubuque Street.
The resolution also announces the City's commitment to provide the twenty-
five (25) percent local match for the project.
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, ITEM NO. 19 - CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 34, ENTITLED .VEGET A. 'Iu'j
'1<1~ 31,,01 TION,. CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF IOWA CITY, IOWA, BYi '
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ADDING A NEW ARTICLE IV, DIVISION I ENTITLED .COMMERCIAL !,
PESTICIDE APPLICATION," WHICH ARTICLE SHALL PROVIDE FOR i .
REGULATING COMMERCIAL APPLICATION OF PESTICIDES AND ENFORCE-i '
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Horow/ (#17) The chair would entertain a motion. Move by Nov,
seconded by Throg. Discussion.
Baker/ Mr. SChmadeke, in 15 seconds or less could you explain why
we are having to do this. What was the problem and what is
the change and is this an equitable-I mean are you comfortable
that this is an equitable distribution of responsibilities.
Schmadeke/ The change is necessary because of the dust control. We
were never able to reach what we felt was a fair agreement on
dust control. We still don't think it is a fair agreement
because of the dust control issue but I think it is the best
we can get from the county.
Gentry/ And we got other thinqs out of them.
Kubby/ If we then don't agree to this agreement and there is no
agreement-
Gentry/ Lowell Swartz is out of luck because the county will not
approve his subdivision. They have held him hostage.
Kubby/ So basically we are held hostage by the county on the dust
control issue.
Gentry/ The ultimate responsibility for that road is still the
county's and they acknowledge that and that is in the
agreement.
Baker/ Had they not acknowledged that earlier.
Gentry/ Well, there was some fudging.
Kubby/So when they agreed to it they agreed to it under how their
status quo which is to assess those requesting dust control
will pay for it.
Gentry/ They will get pressure. Those people will show up and say
we don't like that.
NoV/ We are basically in this controversy or disagreement because
half of the road belonged to the city and half of the road
belongs to the county because it is on the edge that way.
Schmadeke/ About 80% belongs to the county, 20 % belongs to the
city. It is down the center of the road but the distances
that are in the agreement divide up the ownership 80/20.
Horow/ Any other discussion.
Roll call-
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Baker/ I am still a little bit confused about whether this is an
equitable agreement. And I am getting reservations,
vibrations on the part of the staff.
Schmadeke/ It is equitable in the sense that the county will
maintain that road in the same manner they maintain other
roads in the county and the city will maintain their share in
the same manner they they maintain roads with in the city.
The problem is is that they do not maintain their roads in the
same fashion that we do. If there is a dust problem on a city
street the city with its resources alleviates the dust
problem. The county does not. The county holds those that
are affected responsible for that payment. So in effect what
will happen out there is the people within that subdivision,
by this agreement, and being within the city limits will help
maintain American Legion Road. However the county will not
help those people alleviate dust. They also have to help the
county with dust control. So in that sense I-
Baker/ So it is not equitable towards us as it is inequitable
towards the people using the road. Okay. Then I will let
them work out that with the county.
Kubby/ It is not the people using the road it is the people who get
dust in their homes because of the use of the road.
Horow/ Roll call-(yeses)
The resolution is adopted.
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Horow/ (#18) Motion made by Baker, seconded by Lehman. Discussion.
Baker/ What does that language mean, announces the city's
commitment to provide the 25% local match.
Atkins/ Anytime you are applying for a grant you express,even in
this proposal brief, you are expressing that if awarded and it
you accept you have the ability, the financial where with all
to satisfy the match.
Baker/ Okay. So commitment here means the same thing as
willingness.
Atkins/ Yes, it is an expression of willingness now for all
practical purposes if you accept the grant. You always have
that ability to say no we are not interested.
Baker/ This does not lock us in. Okay.
Atkins/ No.
Throg/ steve, what does that 25% equal in terms of actual dollars
that the city would commit.
Atkins/ About $500,000 to $600,000.
Nov/ I have a question for Rick. I am vaguely remembering that
when we first talked about this we also talked about the study
about where water would be displaced if this street were
raised. Are we still considering that possibility.
Fosse/ It is underway as we speak. We are waiting for information
to come up from Tennessee where it is stored now and once it
is here we will run a computer model or Shive hattery will run
a computer model and determine the affect on the water surface
profile there. It is the same person that did the original
flood study years ago. So he is always a good person to have
on it.
Nov/ We can always say because this water is displaced in a spot
that we don't want it we are going to turn this particular
grant.
Fosse/ Yes. His gut feeling is what the model will show is we will
see about a one to two inch rise in the flood level because of
the elevation of the road.
Nov/ Okay. We need to see that on paper.
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where do we get that money. Because it is not in our CIP.
Atkins/ No. It is not in your CIP but it is one of your projects
remember we outlined the list of those that had not found
their way into the CIP. I see really a couple of options.
Given the extent of the reserve position that we try to
maintain in our road use tax you could finance it in that
fashion. A very favorable bond market we hereby the interest
rate is lower than we estimated in the numbers that we gave
you, we might be able to add it on to a bond project. Of
course you always have the ability to say no to a project.
Just change the priority on the spot. This is not-this is a
substantial commitment. We can't make too many of these. But
we can make this one I think. It appears we can get some
federal aid.
Kubby/ I am going to be voting no on this so I wanted to explain
the reason why. Dubuque street has only been unpassable once
in decades. And so I have a problem with even taking a lot of
staff time to look at doing a project that will do something
that was a problem once in many many years. So usually when
Dubuque floods there is at least one lane of traffic going
each direction which allows people, although with not maybe as
smooth an entrance and exit into our economic area of d.t. It
does not impede access to our center that we are trying
protect. And so I don't think it is good use of staff time to
even explore it because we have so many things we need staff
to work on. So I will be voting no.
Pigott/ Last time I voted against this. I think that this time I
will be voting for this. I wanted to explain why I am flip
flopping. The reason I voted against applying for the grant
last time was in part at least that we on council, I wouldn't
want to blame anyone else, approached this issue incorrectly.
Instead of first framing the issue, deciding that we had a
problem, we discussed the solution which mayor may not be
appropriate to this particular problem. A problem which in
fact has not really been defined by this council. In the end
when a majority of the council voted against applying for this
grant I felt that some citizens had the mistaken impression
that the council had no intention to address any problem on
North DUbuque street. speaking for myself, I was unwilling to
vote for an application which put the city on track to spend
$600,000 of tax payers money when we did not even discuss the
nature of the problem. I feared that perhaps it might be like
buying a big John Deere tractor to plow your backyard
vegetable garden and that sort of expenditure would be a
foolish expenditure of money. I think I will change my vote
because I would like to keep options open. I think though
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that I would request that council in an informal session
before we make any decisions about this sit down and have Rick
Fosse talk to us about the nature of this problem, the
possible alternatives and then we can sit down with all of
these options open to us and make a decision on what exactly
is the best way to deal with this issue. Thanks.
Horow! Any other discussion.
Baker! Can I-I think Karen raised an interesting point about staff
time. Can you give us a sense of what kind of staff time is
involved in this application process.
Fosse! At this point David Schoon will be putting some time into
figuring out the application. We will need to put together a
preliminary cost estimate which is pretty well complete right
now. We are doing the water surface profile analysis which is
under contract. That will cost us $800/000.
Baker! What is going to cost us $800,000.
Fosse! $800 to $1,000.
Baker! Okay. That is going to be done regardless.
Fosse! That is underway as we speak, yes.
Baker! But that would have been done anyway.
Fosse! Un huh.
Baker! I am trying to get a sense of what this particular
application-
Fosse! Once we get some feedback from the brief. That is they say
it looks like a favorable project or it doesn't, that is when
we look at the real staff commitment and to making the full
blown application and beginning the design process. At this
point it is not a large investment in time or money.
Baker! But that large investment would only come after the council
had a sense that the grant was coming or-
Fosse. Right. First the Economic Development Agency has to make a
judgement call if this is an appropriate project and if it is
likely that it will be funded. Then we will get the feed back
and then it is decision time again if I understand it
correctly, is that right steve.
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Baker/ That staff time wouldn't be committed until we got a sense
that it was likely to happen and we would discuss why.
Atkins/ The EDA officials have said that they will give us their
impressions of the likelihood of funding and clearly from what
I understand when I talked with the guy was the likelihood of
funding means that go spend the money to do the engineering
design work because you have a lock on the grant. And given
the sensitivity of this issue, when he tells me that I am
going to trot back here to visit with you to make sure that we
are still all on board because w don't want to spend the
engineering money for a $2 million project. $80,000 to
$100,000 we might spend to put something like that together.
Baker/ We need to have this discussion even before we get a sense
from the feds.
Atkins/ You can have it anytime you want. This is intended to
preserve certain opportunities that you might not have-the
window is going to close on this pretty soon. But we can bring
it back as soon as you want.
Horow/ All right. Any other discussion.
Throg/ I would like to say that I agree with much of what Bruno
just said. However I think, in my jUdgement, it is a mistake
to spend a total of $2.4 million to solve a problem that has
happened once in two decades. And a mistake for the city to
spend $600,000 on that project when we don't know what we
would bump out of the eIP to replace it with.
Horow/ Roll call-
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City of Iowa City
MEMORANDUM
DATE: January 14, 1994
TD: City Council
FROM: City Manager
RE: Work Session Agendas and Meeting Schedule
January 17, 1994
DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR., HOLIDAY
Monday
CITY OFFICES CLOSED
January 18, 1994
6:30 . 7:30 P.M.
6:30 P.M.
7:00 P.M.
7:15 P.M.
7:25 P.M.
Tuesday
City Council Work Session. Council Chambers
Review zoning matters
CEBA Grant . Moore Business Forms
. Council agenda, Council time, Council committee reports
. Consider appointments to the Broadband Telecommunications
Commission, Assessor's Examining Board, Airport
Commission and Senior Center Commission
7:30 P.M. . Regular Council Meeting. Council Chambers
Adjourn to Executive Session (land acquisition,
collective bargaining)
January 20. 1994 Thursday
7:00 P.M. . City Council Work Session - Council Chambers
Discuss FY95.97 Financial Plan
January 24. 1994
6:30 P.M. .
Monday
Joint Meeting of City Council and Johnson County Board of
Supervisors. Public Library, Room A
Oiscuss Fringe Area A9reement '
January 31. 1994 Monday
6:30 P.M. . City Council Work Session. Council Chambers
Agenda pendin9
February 1. 1994 Tuesday
7:30 P.M. - Regular City Council Meeting. Council Chambers
PENDING LIST
Appointments to the Historic Preservation Commission - February 15, 1994
Appointments to the Board of Library Trustees and Civil Service Commission.
March 1, 1994
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