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City Council Work Session
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October 16, 2006
Council:
Staff:
City Council Work Session
6:30 PM
Bailey, Champion, Correia, Elliott, O'Donnell, Vanderhoef, Wilburn
Atkins, Boothroy, Davidson, Dilkes, Franklin, Ford, Helling, Karr, Long, Rackis
TAPES: 06-76, Sides I and 2; 06-77, Sides I and 2
Planninl!: and Zoninl!:
Wilburn:
Franklin:
Franklin:
Correia:
Franklin:
Bailey:
Franklin:
Bailey:
Franklin:
Bailey:
Ok, we'll start with Planning and Zoning items.
a) CONSIDER A MOTION SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR NOVEMBER 14
ON AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CERTAIN SPECIFIC PROVISIONS WITHIN
TITLE 14, ZONING CODE, CHAPTER 2, BASE ZONES; CHAPTER 3
OVERLAY ZONES; CHAPTER 4, USE REGULATIONS; CHAPTER 5, SITE
DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS; CHAPTER 7, ADMINISTRATION; CHAPTER
8, REVIEW AND APPROVAL PROCEDURES; CHAPTER 9, DEFINITIONS.
Ok. Your first item is to set a public hearing for November 14th on various amendments to the
zoning code. This is part of the ongoing cleanup that we will be doing as we work through with
this new code. That's just setting the public hearing for the 14 tl,.
b) REZONING 37.92 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED ON NORTHGATE DRIVE
FROM COMMERCIAL OFFICE (CO-1) AND INTERIM DEVELOPMENT -
OFFICE RESEARCH PARK (ID-ORP) ZONE TO RESEARCH DEVELOPMENT
PARK (RDP) ZONE (REZ06-00023)
Item b is a public hearing and first consideration to rezone property from CO-I ID-ORP to
RDP; that's from a commercial office and interim development office research park zone to a
research development park zoning. This is in Northgate Corporate Park and it was instigated by
our efforts to have the NGI Company be able to locate in Iowa City and have an opportunity for
expansion in the 34 acres north of North gate Corporate Park.
And was this? That was how it was originally zoned, is that what I understood from the report?
The, the part that was in Northgate Corporate Park was originally zoned RDP. The developers
or owners came to us a year or more ago and he it rezoned to CO-I.
Right. So it's going back to what
Right, right.
Ok.
And then the ID-ORP is new.
Right.
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Franklin:
Ok. Any other questions on that one?
Elliott:
Karin, I did the, a, I've assumed nothing substantive, it's just wording, nothing substantive is
being changed.
Franklin:
We always do substantive work.
(laughter)
Vanderhoef: That's why we have to move on them.
Franklin: Um, no, there are some things substantive. There are some things in there. The one thing that I
can think of immediately, because I haven't memorized the whole bunch of them, but is how we
deal with nonconforming properties as to determining value when there's destruction. It came
up during the tornado repair, in which we had difficulties with the way that it was in our
ordinance and are suggesting a change to that. So there's some substance to that.
Elliott: We had, we had passed on that a year or so ago, hadn't?
Franklin: Right.
Elliott: If it is damaged beyond, what, 80% or something?
Franklin: Yes, but it had to do with the fact that it was based on replacement value in the amendment that
we just made in December. Replacement value is extremely difficult to determine and we had a
lot of problems - a lot. We had problems with that during the tornado repair, which of course
was a very quick lesson in terms of how we deal with these kinds of things. So, there's a
suggestion for a change and we'll talk about that next week.
Elliott: Thank you.
Franklin: But mostly they are housekeeping or clarity issues.
Elliott: Ok.
c) REZONING 9.83 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED BOTH NORTH AND
SOUTH OF STEVENS DRIVE BETWEEN S. GILBERT STREET AND
WATERFRONT DRIVE FROM INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL (CI-1) ZONE TO
COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL (CC-2) ZONE (REZ06-00024)
Franklin:
Item c is a rezoning of - actually, now it's 7.6] acres from CI-I to CC-2. What you see on the
screen is the original area that was being considered for rezoning to CC-2, and this is the revised
area. The portion that is deleted are these two lots right here. And they are being deleted at the
request of the property owner. There is a use in one of them that would become, potentially
would become nonconforming if it were rezoned to CC-2.
Elliott:
Can you tell us what those businesses are? Cause I got a call tonight.
Franklin:
Bochner, Bochners' Chocolates.
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So that is being eliminated from the... ...... ..........
From the consideration of rezoning.
That was the question, that was part of the concern.
Until they decide what they're doing with their business in terms of expansion and so forth.
Is that also - the contractors, needed the letters from the contractors?
Yes, Rummelhart is the owner of both of those properties, the one on which Bochner's
Chocolate is located. Ok?
Karin, are there any other businesses down that that potentially could be expanding in the
future? Do we know that? That would be effected by this.
They've all (can't hear)
No, all the other ones have agreed to the rezoning.
They're all agreeing. Ok.
Yes, yes.
Sweet.
And this is carrying out, urn, this blob that you see is from the South District Plan. And what
this shows is the area in which a change to a commercial retail was contemplated during the
South District Planning Process, and so you can see that this area is part oftha!. And it's all
predicated on the notion that over time there's going to be more development south ofhere on
Gilbert Street with Sand Hill Estates and other properties that will potentially be developing.
And that the traffic counts there are going to make it more successful for retail. But these were
brought in at request of individuals that do want to make some change there. Ok? That's it for
Planning and Zoning.
That's it?
Yep.
Oh.
Wow.
Wow.
Yeah. It's very short for Planning and Zoning.
We'll be out of here by 7:30 tomorrow.
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Inclusionarv Zonin!!
Wilburn:
Franklin:
Wilburn:
Franklin:
Champion:
Franklin
Champion:
Franklin:
The next item is the presentation, staff presentation, I presume by you, Karin? On inc1usionary
zoning?
Mmm hmm. Yes.
And just a reminder for Council, this is follow-up from the recommendations from the Scattered
Site Housing Task Force, and Council members wanted some, a presentation from staff, a more
detailed or a kind of overview of inelusionary zoning policies for background information for
Council to kind of mull over and decide if and where we go from here.
Ok. And you'll notice that I've entitled this [nelusionary Housing, because there are instances as
we've done research on this that the change in the regulations has been in the subdivision code
as opposed to the zoning code, or both. I'm going to start out with an assumption, and that
assumption is that the Council's goals are to increase the supply of affordable housing, or
affordable units, as well as disperse that supply throughout the community. And that second part
is very important as we talk about this topic, in terms of some of the parts of any ordinance that
might be put in place. Because if you include some things that will have an impact on that
dispersion.
So, [want to get right away to the components of an ordinance. One of the first things you have
to look at of course is the threshold for applicability of the ordinance. And that can be based on
the type of development, which could be residential, commercial or industrial. There have been
instances in which communities have looked at the need for affordable housing that has been
generated as a consequence of either commercial or industrial development. However, those are
more unusual than usual. Typically the communities are looking at residential development.
And it may be new residential development; it may be conversions of non- residential to
residential or any substantial remodeling. Those are all choices that are in there that would need
to be discussed as this went forward. The number of units in a development, and obviously this
is when we are talking about residential, is another aspect that can be used for looking at what
the threshold is for applicability. Typically, ordinances have between 5 and 10 units as being the
common kind of threshold at which then you start to look at the inelusionary measure. We
would need to look at our development over the last, oh, 5 years or so anyway, to determine the
number of units you get in the project. Whether it's owner occupied versus rental, the number of
projects we have, and this would all be part of a research task that I'll talk about a little at the
end of this presentation. But to determine what would be a useful threshold number, because if
most of your developments are six units, it obviously doesn't make any sense to have your
threshold at ten. You're not going to get anywhere. So there's got to be some relationship
between the number of units that's your threshold and what you're typically going to see in a
development.
Karin, when you talk about units are you talking about apartments, condos, and single families?
Yes.
Ok.
When [say unit [mean dwelling unit, which could be any of those.
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Champion:
Franklin:
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Franklin:
Ok. Thanks.
Urn, in some cases, the threshold for requiring any kind of inclusionary housing is a public
approval process. That is, only developments which require some sort of public approval, say a
rezoning, a planned development, it could be a platte, it could be in our case a sensitive areas
ordinance review or relief. But anyone of those things could be your threshold point. Or it
could be all development that meets that first type and number of units. So those are some of the
choices that you have.
Then one of the other components to look at is the income group served. And obviously a lot of
these things are interrelated. The income groups that are targeted for affordability are usually
based on some percent of median income. And that percent of median income is going to be
dependent upon whether you're looking at home ownership or if you're looking at rental units.
And you could have different percentages for different, different types of units that you would
be trying to achieve. A lot of the ordinances look at between 50 and 80% of median income.
Although some ofthem go for the very low income, that is, less than 50% or less than 30% of
median, it appears from looking at these, more often it's between that 50 to 80% of median.
And it may even go up to 120% of median, depending on the community. And so that's another
piece of information that we have to have a good handle on, is where our populations are that
are cost-burdened. Just to give you an idea, to give the public particularly an idea of what we're
talking about when we talk about 50 to 80% of median- 50% of median this year, 2006, for
Iowa City, for a family off our, is $36,300.00. That's annual income. 80% of median is
$58,100.00. Looking at starting salaries for City employees, because that's what was easily
accessible to me, anyone from a custodian to a police officer who is just starting on the job, that
is, at the bottom of the pay range, would be at less than 50% of median income. If you take it up
into the classifications, that would include fire fighters, librarians, engineers and planners - you
would be at less than 80% of median income. So just so you have an idea of what we're talking
about here.
You're talking individual salaries, single salaries, not as
That's yes, a one, that's a, household income. Ok. Then we need to look at the percent ofthe
units that would be set aside or those that are gonna be required to be affordable. Typically
again we're looking at about 10 to 20% of the total development. That is the requirement. And
this can be dependent on overall affordability. For instance, if you have a development that is
developed for housing that is going to be affordable to people at 80% of median income, then
there may be no reason to have inclusionary housing in that particular development. However, if
it's for, only for people who would be possibly at 150% of median income, then you would look
at some percentage, and there are some ordinances that break this down. The complexity of the
ordinance can vary. Some of them obviously are very, very complex. You can also have various
percentages for different income groups. For instance, if you had 20%, set aside of20% and
10% of that could be for 50 to 80% of median income, and then 10% for 81 to 120% of median
income. And so you could have some that was rental, some that was owner-occupied in the
same development.
The next component that is an important part of this is the timing or phasing of production of
affordable units. In most ordinances there is a requirement that the development of these units
be coincident with the market rate units. And that is so the development can not occur and then
have the affordable units at the end and the developer walk away from it before those are done.
Ah, design compatibility is an issue in many of the ordinances, and that is to ensure that the
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affordable units will not be visually distinctive from !be market rate units. And I would imagine
that, in most cases, !bat is to the advantage of the developer as well as the public. In some
instances financial incentives are given for these design provisions if they can be identified
quantitatively and analyzed that way.
The next one is sustainability. And this is to sustain the affordability over a period of time,
which can be anywhere from 15 years to 99 years. It depends also on whether you're talking
about owner-occupied or rental, and that can be resale agreements or rent restrictions. Those are
just other factors to be brought into play. Many of the ordinances also include alternatives to on-
site production. And this is where; this is the particular component !bat is very important in so
far as our particular goal of dispersing it throughout the community. Alternatives to onsite
production can be fees in lieu of, in terms of the ordinances that are in place. Some options are
that that can happen only in exceptional cases, and then obviously exceptional has to be defined.
Or it can be in circumstances that you have only small projects. For instance, if your threshold
is 10, and it's for all development, and you have a 12-plex coming in and it's 20%, then you
might want to have fees in lieu of rather !ban the, whatever unit you would have. Or if your
project is just too small. And, as I said, everything here is related one to another and it's all got
to be thought through.
Land dedication is another alternative to actual onsite production, and that obviously, that keeps
it right in that particular development, if it's land dedication. It then means that somebody,
whether it's the City or it's a for-profit or not-for-profit housing provider, affordable housing
provider, needs to be the builder of the unit in that particular case. In some instances that's been
seen as advantageous in terms of there then being an entity that can manage those units and can
market it and has experience in that area. An organization such as the Housing Fellowship. Fees
in lieu of means it goes into some kind of a fund, obviously, for affordable units, which could
be then fed into incentives for other developers to actually have them onsite or it could be to
build offsite. So, !bat's one thing that needs to be considered, is whether you want to have these
units right on site. Offsite production is one ofthe options that is in some codes and here
obviously is the issue of dispersion. And the possibility then that you have a concentration of
affordable units just in one part of town. In some of the codes when there's offsite production
that's permitted there's been an increase in the set-aside percentage. So that if you're gonna do
it offsite instead of requiring 15%, it's a 20% requirement. Again, in small projects, that's
sometimes an option that is provided.
Incentives. Incentives or developer benefits is what I would call this, in that incentives are,
when you're talking about a voluntary program, whereas if it's a mandatory, it's really a benefit
!bat's given to a developer to balance what is being required. The incentives can be financial.
Some communities pay $5000 to $10,000 a unit. Obviously the money has to come from
somewhere for that. Tax increment financing is an option. Regulatory changes or exemptions or
wavers are another way that this can be approached. Density bonuses have been used in a
number of communities, anywhere from 10 to 30% increase in density. Permit fee reductions,
you know, building permit fees, waiving any utility tap-on fees. We have water tap-on fees and
sewer tap-on fees. And !ben you have to work through all that too as to whether that was totally
for the development or just for a portion of it that was equal to the number of affordable units.
And then the last one in terms of incentives that is commonly used is to expedite processes.
Remember that many of these ordinances are on the West Coast. They are in communities
where the review process sometimes takes 2 to 3 years, so expediting can be significant.
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Ok. So those are, those are the components of the ordinances that we have reviewed and I want
to thank FAIR for putting together that chart that I included in the Council packet. They
obviously did quite a bit of work with that, and I think that was very helpful. This is, what I've
given to you is a consequence of looking at that but also at looking at a number of ordinances
that we were able to access through the Planners' Advisory Service.
Types of programs. Ah, this is fairly simple. There's the incentive-based voluntary, which
obviously it's very important that those incentives be meaningful. We do have in our code right
now an incentive in the PRM zone for affordable housing units, if you get, or it was, that you
got certain bonus points then if you put in an affordable unit you could have greater floor area
ratio. To my knowledge, nobody's used it, and I think it's because the incentive doesn't match,
or is not meaningful enough for developers to really use it. Mandatory is exactly what it says:
you gotta do it. And then the mandatory with developer benefits is including some of these
incentives that I've outlined within that mandatory ordinance.
Some legal issues and this is very cursory: we would obviously need to have a greater in-depth
work done on this by the Attorney's Office. But just fundamentally, affordable housing has
been recognized by courts over the years as a legitimate government interest that could be
promoted through regulation. So we know that that basic tenet is there in the law. It must be
based in public policy. Now, we have a statement in our comprehensive plan now which says
"provide housing opportunities for households of all sizes, incomes, ages and special needs."
That's pretty broad. I think probably, to go down this road, we would want to enhance that
statement.
Substantiation of need. That is a critical piece which needs to be, it needs to be tied into the
locality. That is, we need to show that there is a need and it is empirically based with data from
the Iowa City or Iowa City area. Uniformity in application, that is just a matter of when you
adopt an ordinance like this you, you apply it equally to the same types of development, and
have as little ad hoc or discretionary decision making in it as possible. Virtually none if you can
do it. And then of course we have to look at in the context ofIowa law. To my knowledge there
is not another community in Iowa that has an inclusionary zoning ordinance or inclusionary
housing ordinance, but we're still researching that.
Ok. Administrative costs. To do a program like this, there are going to be administrative costs to
it, regardless of whether you do it as voluntary or mandatory or mandatory with benefits. There
will be additional review of development plans that will be required to look at the affordable
units, and that will vary of course depending on the complexity of the ordinance. There are
some ordinances which require an affordable housing plan as part of the whole project. There
will be a necessity to administer and monitor the sustainability options as well as the incentives
benefits, to make sure that what's happening in the development is related to the incentives or
benefits that are provided. And those sustainability options, if they are resale agreements or if
there is an equity sharing at the time, for owner-occupied at the time when the unit is actually
sold. During the affordability period there's a lot of complexities there, and those have to be
paid attention to. Ifthere are financial incentives, obviously, there's cost to that. And lastly,
there needs to be some kind of periodic analysis of the program to determine its impact on
whether it actually creates affordable units and the impact that it has on development. In the city
of Madison, when they put their ordinance together, they estimated that it was going to take 2
full time equivalents to take care of implementing their ordinance. After 18 months, they found
that it actually took lA, so that's actually a little bit less, but nevertheless, that, that's
somebody, so just to keep that in mind.
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Wilburn:
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Champion:
Elliott:
Ok. Process. I think there's two things that the Council needs to reach consensus on, and one is
those goals at the very beginning, which I assumed were Council goals, but, you might wish to
reaffirm them as a body. And that is that the goal is to increase the number of affordable units
and to disperse those units throughout the community. Secondly, I think it would be prudent for
the Council to talk about and decide whether you wish to pursue this as a single entity or you
wish to branch out into the metro area and engage your neighbor and communities in this
discussion. Assuming that you make the decision to go forward with this on your own, which is
a shorter time frame than branching out, because that branching out and engaging other people
in the metro area, other communities in the metro area, I would see would be a Council effort
since it's really a political question. So assuming that you get those two things taken care of to
your satisfaction, then the first thing that we need to do is to substantiate and define the need.
And substantiating and defining the need is what is going to plug into a number ofthose
different components in the ordinance as to the median income we're addressing, owner
occupancy versus rental, all those kinds of things. And to do that we would be looking at a
review of development patterns, including the frequency and number of units that we have in
Iowa City, the income strata that are within our community. Housing cost burden - who is cost
burdened? And the price of units in the market today. Based on the findings that we would get
through that research, the next step would be to work with the Housing Alliance, which I've
given you guys a name - you're now the Housing Alliance. This is this pairing of entities in the
community. To work with the Housing Alliance I think probably a representative of HCDC, the
Housing Community Development Commission and a representative of the Planning and
Zoning Commission, to draft an ordinance. It's kind of the model that we use for the Sensitive
Areas Ordinance, which is good and bad, because it's an elephant by committee or whatever
that terminology is. But. So, questions. Next?
I guess this is more just a comment to get the Council going with discussion. Thanks for putting
together the presentation first of all, Karin.
Sure.
First I think that, I was looking for, just, I suppose, a parallel in something that we currently do,
that we currently practice as a City in order to address a community issue, for anyone who may
be leery about inclusionary zoning, inclusionary housing programs, whether that's mandatory or
voluntary. Well you just said it your - we have the Neighborhood Open Spaces ordinance, so
we take fees in lieu of land dedications based on the amount of open space or lack of open space
in certain areas of the community and that's done so for a perceived and a real community need.
So I would hope that, if you have an initial aversion to doing something like this, thinking that's
not the role of government, let me just point out that we currently have a practice where we
address a community need with a mandatory ordinance. With that said, I'd just open up for any
questions about the actual presentation or the components for Karin.
I have a quick question. Did you look into residency requirements? Is there a legality, in other
words, anyone who would be able to, any purchaser or renter who would be able to take
advantage of these affordable housing opportunities would need to have been a resident, say, of
Iowa City or Johnson County for a period of time?
Wouldn't think so.
Have you seen anything about that?
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Franklin:
Oilkes:
Elliott:
Oilkes:
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Correia:
Franklin:
Correia:
Franklin:
Correia:
Franklin:
Correia:
I haven't seen that in the ordinances that we've reviewed.
We'd have to take a look at that if that was something
Pardon me?
We'd, we, the City Attorney's office, would have to take a look at that if that's something you
wanted to pursue.
And then my observation would be, we have a housing summit coming up the 14th of
November, and the group that came before us at the last meeting going to look at that, which I
thought was an extraordinary group. I would certainly want to hear at least a preliminary report
from them before we did a whole lot on this.
Well I, I really. Fabulous presentation, Karin, I think it really hit on a lot of the questions that
people had, just on nuances and the scope of what an ordinance would include. And the options
that you would have, and there's a lot.
There's a lot of options.
It's not just a one slotted there something is, that's really gone be a, if we move forward, a fit to
what our community is.
Mmm hmm. It really has to be for it to withstand any challenge.
Right, right, to succeed and meet the need. It seems like the process, the potential process that
you laid out, it makes sense to me. Ah, what we need to do is come to that consensus on the
goals and the scope. While I think it is important to bring in and communicate with neighboring
communities what we're thinking about and encourage them to also take a look at this, I think
we can do that through the next joint meeting and what not. I think that I am interested in
moving ahead in terms of I think we need to gather our current empirical evidence of need. I
mean, that's going to take awhile. I think that's going to help with clarifying are we gonna
continue moving down that road while at the same time, Housing Alliance and other groups are
also working on it, we're meeting as a community in the housing summit. I would say it would
take some time to gather the current empirical evidence that we need, and that is also going to
lead us to do we want to go to step 3, working on, I think that getting those answers.
Just as a point of information on that information gathering, Steve Long and I have been talking
about this in terms of just the background that we have for City STEPS and the Maxwell study
that we did, that was in '97, which is, which is rather dated. I mean, City STEPS is based on the
2000 census. It's 2006. The Maxwell was on the 1997, so I think regardless of what the Council
decides that you want to do with this, we will be doing some updating or possibly a whole new
study on those things are necessary for the COBG and HOME programs. What this would do is
go beyond that, because it would take income groups up to that 80 to 120% of median, and it
would be looking at different populations then what we're looking at with COBG and HOME
funds.
And is there, the, is there, the American Housing Survey - how often is that done? Is that? Data
that we?
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Franklin: Don't know. Not familiar with that.
Correia: Ok. Maybe I have the name wrong.
Bailey: So just jumping on this scope issue, I see that three of the areas listed on this table are counties.
I mean, could we also get some infonnation, I'm just curious what happens in communities that
do inclusionary zoning and the impact, and then what's the impact around them. Because we
have a lot of residential units coming online in neighboring communities in upcoming years and
it seems, it seems logical to try to involve those communities. I mean, perhaps not wait to move
ahead to ensure involvement. But it seems logical, given that a lot of residential development
will be in North Liberty and Coralville. So I would just suggest that we consider engaging our
neighbors sooner rather than later.
Wilburn: I think it's important to include them. However, there are current Iowa City residents who are
cost-burdened by their income and the amount of rent and/or housing available in the
community. I wouldn't, I mean, there's people that are struggling with just making the rent
payment now, and people who have been in the community for longer than 5 years. So, I'm not
disagreeing that we need to talk to our neighbors, but.
Bailey: I'm just curious about the impact that this will have on our community compared with other
communities if we take this on on our own.
Champion: And what do you mean by that, Regenia?
Bailey: Well, urn, I mean, are we responsible as the largest community in Johnson County to bear the
burden of addressing affordable housing to wrestle through this, or do others in our region also
share in that responsibility, and I believe that they do. I'm not saying that we should hold up
necessarily, but I think that we should move forward as a region to the extent possible.
Champion: Well I, I think you're right about that, I think that's kind of the ideal thing, but I think if this is
ever going to get any action we need to move forward with it, and hopefully other communities
will view this as a problem and deal with it. But I don't want to wait. I feel like Ross. I don't
want to wait until we can involve the whole county.
Bailey: I'm not suggesting waiting, but I am suggesting being, you know, moving along but being very
proactive in those discussions. Because we are a region, and what other communities choose to
do in so far as their job development has an impact on the region, and I think we've
acknowledged that in other discussions and it's important - we shouldn't be seen as necessarily
solving the problem for the entire county.
Champion: And how would you go about that? I mean, I like the idea, but I'm not sure how to go about it.
How would you go about it?
Bailey: I'm not sure. You know, probably forcefully as I do most things, but I don't know.
O'Donnell: I think the only way it's going to be effective is if you do incorporate the entire county.
Vanderhoef: Well, I think
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O'Donnell: I think any time you put mandatory on something rather than voluntary, you know, I think a
first step is to have our staff get together with the developers and come up with some creative
incentives. You know, you'll get more participation and cooperation, I believe, that way then
making it a mandatory thing.
Bailey: Well and perhaps that's the place to start. Our developers develop in all the communities
around, engaging them and seeing what their perspectives are and engaging other communities.
I'm not, I'm not willing to hold up our progress to wait for other people to get on board, but I
think that we need to pull them along behind us.
Champion: Yes, right.
Correia: And I, I.
Wilburn: I'm just going to suggest we, just, since Karin is still standing up there, any questions about the
components, thresholds, the incentives, how a community, if you had the opportunity to talk
with some other communities about how they - just questions about that before we get into
whether we should or shouldn't.
Bailey: And you said you don't know of any other communities in Iowa that have this. Do you know of
any other communities, as you talked, who are exploring this? That are?
Franklin: I don't. I don't.
Vanderhoef: Des Moines is doing a huge amount of work with creating new housing for cost-burdened, but
it's not going through a mandatory inclusionary process at all.
Bailey: They're providing it as a city, or?
Vanderhoef: They're working towards that and one ofthe two people heading up this new State housing
committee that I put together is a banker who travels throughout the State and has incites into
housing programs that she helps put together, the financial packages on them. But, I'm, I'm real
curious, number one, the cost of getting all the new studies and the gathering of data. I am very
interested in gathering data from the north to the south of the corridor where the jobs are
looking at it in terms of the folks who are traveling upwards of 90 miles one way for their jobs.
The, it seems to me that the labor shed is what we're talking about, because the more affordable
housing that comes into our region, the more folks that we're going to attract into a closer
proximity to where the jobs are. I'm not saying that's wrong, because that's a transportation and
a fuel and lots of other issues to go with it. But, I see new housing development going in Hills. I
see the Riverside, Washington area. I've been in contact with supervisors and council members
from the City of Washington who are starting to recognize housing needs in that area, where
they have had a surplus of housing units available that people were not, say, leaving Iowa City
to go live in those areas. So it's a much larger puzzle than just the City of Iowa City. I want
these cost studies to come back, I want a time line of what might be before we got that kind of
information, and whether it would coincide in the Spring sometime when that was what the
New Alliance suggested that they might be ready to bring a report to us in the Spring.
Champion: Ijust want to comment on.
Franklin: Ok. Can I, Connie can I respond to that?
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Champion: Go ahead.
Franklin: Because I do have some of the information relative to both of those things. When we did the
study in '97 it was $30,000.00 in 1997 and that was just for Iowa City, so, a current study for
Iowa City and environs, you're kind of beyond the environs with the labor shed, I'm thinking is
going to be at least fifty. In terms of time line, I would guess that it would take about 6 months
to get this done, from the time of engaging someone to do it. I would hope that in doing
something like this that we would work collaboratively with the Housing Alliance on this. Part
of the information that's necessary, I believe, is information from the realtors who know the
market, so, that's (can't hear)
O'Donnell: You know, and that's a good question too.
Vanderhoef: When you say the $50,000.00
O'Donnell: Oh, excuse me.
Vanderhoef: Excuse me.
Franklin: And that's a guess.
Vanderhoef: The follow-up is then FTE for the City.
Bailey: It's a consultant.
Franklin: No, I'm talking about a consultant to do the information data gathering and the analysis of the
cost burden and all of that stuff. And if you include the labor shed, then that's obviously a
bigger place. No, I'm not talking about any costs after this were potentially adopted. That's
where I was discussing the administrative costs was, those were the costs that if you adopted
and if it happens, then you would have those costs at the other end that need to be
Vanderhoef: Addressed.
Champion: This might be something we could bring up at joint meeting or JCCOG, because I think if we're
going to do a housing study, it might be really important to incorporate our surrounding
communities. I don't know if they'd be interested in sharing the cost ofthat, but I think,
especially towns like Coralville and North Liberty, that would really be important to incorporate
them. I just want to comment off of something Mike said about if we have this ordinance and
other communities don't. I think he's right. It could create profits for a development here, so
maybe Regenia was right then. It needs to be based outside ofIowa City.
Correia: I think it could, but I don't think we should, I don't think we should assume that it will. I mean,
I just don't think that.
Bailey: That has to be part of our discussion process.
Correia: Yeah, it does. It has to be part of an analysis.
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And we, and I think, because Karin indicate that, it's, we have to take that on if we're going to
involve other communities. It's. And I think that should be a priority that we all have.
If we
I think most developers, and this is where we need to appeal to the experts, the realtors, I'm
really curious, and I support single family housing, Habitat for Humanity and Greater Iowa City
Housing Fellowship, I think that would be good, but I'm wondering if in a development, if
we're going to go in and build 250, 350, $400,000.00 homes, how likely these people are to
purchase these homes with a six or an eight-plex put there?
Well, that's what you have to work through, as to, you want it, the result needs to be something
that is going to work.
Well, exactly right, that's why we need that question answered.
So
That's also some of their
And that's part of all the intricacies of the ordinance as to what, what that outcome becomes.
Well and I have one more comment on the, the design capability. You know, if we go into a
development and we impose design standards, it appears to me like we're standing right in the
way of affordable housing.
The design compatibility, and we're not
And I understand, and I don't disagree with it.
Has to do with mimicking or being like the market rate housing so that it doesn't stick out.
But there's a cost to that.
Yeah.
But I, but I think the issue, that issue relates to your previous issue, that you want to have
something that doesn't
I mean, it seems like that would be an important component to consider, as a way of addressing
those issues.
And other communities have considered that in how they constructed their ordinance, with, for
example, the in lieu of options. It may take a fee for the case that you brought up or if it weren't
such a large development and apply it to something like a housing trust or some other type of
thing. So those, that would be, I think, a concern also, if we freeze up and don't explore, then all
we're doing is perhaps responding, reacting to those case scenarios that might be a negative but
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not giving an opportunity to discuss some potential positives or things that other communities
have shown could be worked through.
Karin.
Karin. Go ahead.
How do you determine the value threshold for the units that are deemed affordable? And also, is
that uniform throughout the City, or does that depend on, let's say, property tax value?
It depends upon what income strata you're trying to target the housing for. And so then you
work backward from what that income strata is able to afford. And that's where you have to
look at the practicality too. In the example that Mike was giving of the $300, $400,000.00
houses. That is not where you're going to address housing for people at 50% of median income.
But you may address it for housing of people at 120% of median income.
Right, right.
But if you do have a housing development with 200 potential lots on it, are we not going to ask
for a percentage of those to be inclusionary zoned?
We could.
That's the idea.
Maybe.
That's the idea, so there very well could be that neighborhood that Ijust suggested.
No, there's exceptions.
What's that?
Well, we have to build an ordinance.
There's exceptions. You have to have an ordinance that has exceptions.
Well I would like to know that answer from the realtors who are the professionals just to know
if that is a viable property to sell.
We know it. But we said there would be exceptions, that there would be other things you could
do. What do you call that, Karin? Alternatives.
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To onsite production.
Offsite production.
But we've also, I mean I also think we're getting ahead of ourselves.
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Yes.
With some of those detailed questions.
We were born ahead of ourselves.
No, but in terms ofthose details, I think we've all already, have expressed support of involving
the Housing Alliance that, you know, and other folks, professionals, invested persons in the
community, that will have an opinion, that will have expertise, and that we value that input and
will consider that, so I mean, I don't see that as being an issue, that we will exclude that type of
input and expertise.
And I would presume that, in addition to local expertise, we would instruct whatever consultant
that would kind of do some exploration for us to talk to, for example, to go to Madison and find
out what happened, or what's happening in some of the surrounding communities, since they
just passed their, they just did their, it's mandatory in 2006. Did they have a, did they have a
voluntary one before? I know some other communities made some recent switches.
I don't think they had a voluntary, but they've done an analysis 18 months later, and that's very
interesting.
Ok.
Is it, is it just the City or the County?
It's just the City of Madison.
Just the City.
And they had these same exact concerns, and that's why I say you need to do a periodic analysis
to determine are you generating units, and what is the impact on development in the
community.
But again, I presume we would instruct the consultant to take a look at what has happened in
some surrounding communities if it were just a community that did it and what happened if a
County did it.
And I think, using, looking through the examples provided by FAIR, we could look at
communities of our similar size. Besides Madison we have Chapel Hill, NC. That would be a
place we could go visit.
I would like to do the San Francisco field trip.
San Francisco field trip.
San Francisco is not similar in size.
All right, I'll go to North Carolina.
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Correia:
Champion:
Or Santa Fe, I mean, I think that it's good to see that there are communities (can't hear)
it's the same in square miles though probably.
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We need to have one person speaking at a time, so that the transcriptionist can get this and
probably so that it's clear on the tape.
I agree with Amy that now is the time to be building background information, data, and that
would be available when the coalition, you called it?
Alliance.
Alliance.
Alliance, ok, pardon me. Those are the people who are living with the questions every day that
we just answered. A couple of items I thought of: the labor-shed info should be available for
most major employers in the City. I think most employers have that information, where their
workers come from. And also, it should be there are a myriad of complexities in this. For
instance, just because someone lives a ways away from Iowa City and works in Iowa City
doesn't mean that person would prefer to live in Iowa City.
True.
My brother.
I've worked with people who traveled from Davenport, from Sigourney, from Washington, and
they do that because that's where they prefer to live.
What's wrong with him?
Could that be
What?
We said, how could that be?
They knew Bob lived here. Just kidding.
Oh, that's not
I won't need to set you down because I encouraged.
Oh, he's even, not down.
Maybe we could ask if we all agree on the original principles of doing this ordinance. Because
if we don't agree on that.
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That's where I was going to go next, ifthere are no other questions just on the presentation
itself.
I have one other question.
Ok.
I guess when you, when we were talking about the current empirical evidence, that gathering of
the, I wasn't thinking of a Maxwell-type. Are you, do you think?
No, I'm thinking beyond Maxwell, way beyond.
Ok, I was thinking Maxwell scope. Ok.
I'm sorry, what?
I guess I wasn't, that wasn't where my head went. So you're thinking we should hire a
consultant and do - ok.
What I was saying was that we feel, Steve and I, Steve Long and I feel that we need to update
our data just for the CDBG HOME program.
Ok.
If you should decide to go forward with this, we would expand upon that to include these other
income groups and these other questions that need to be answered to do an inclusionary housing
policy. Because that is very different: what you base an ordinance on is different from what you
base a funding program on.
Ok.
For instance, Karin, I was just thinking ofthat. I think that when we received a report on rental
assistance, it was determined that there are somewhere in excess of 15,000 rental permits for
rental units in Iowa City, and that somewhere in excess of 1000 of those we know are getting
rental assistance, and there could be hundreds of additional ones that are getting assistance.
Because we have no way of knowing whether they're a certain kind of Section 8. That's my
understanding. You're shaking your head.
Well, well, just because our, Iowa City's Section 8 vouchers, the total number, aren't just used
in Iowa City. They're used all throughout Johnson County. So you couldn't say that all 1000 of
those vouchers are using, are being used in our 15,000 units.
Good point. My understanding was that was what was in Iowa City.
Ok.
That's the kind of information that I'd like to have. What the situation is and how serious the
problem could be.
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Wilburn: Well, let's go right to what Connie had brought up, the initial premise or the goals. If it's shown
there that we do need increased number of affordable units and providing a scattering
distribution of these geographically. Let's hear from Council. Are those goals that you are
interested in pursuing further?
Correia: Yes.
Champion: Yes.
Elliott: I'm interested in obtaining data and evaluating data.
Wilburn: Ok. Dee?
Vanderhoef: Likewise.
Wilburn: I am too.
Champion: I am pretty interested, yes. I mean, I'm totally for both of those goals.
Wilburn: Mike and Regenia?
O'Donnell: I need, I need more data, like Bob does.
Wilburn: Ok.
Bailey: I, I actually thought we were in agreement on the goals and I certainly agree with the goal as
Karin stated it in her memo.
Wilburn: Ok.
O'Donnell: Well, I could have some support for affordable housing, but I don't like the word mandatory
and I don't like Iowa City going it alone.
Correia: But I guess
Champion: That's not what the goals say.
O'Donnell: What's that?
Correia: But Mike, the goals said that we would like to increase the supply of affordable units. It doesn't
say how we're going to do it or what way we're going to do it or what's the preferred method, it
just says
O'Donnell: But this is about inclusionary zoning.
Correia: Well, it's about how we're moving through the process and what the basic underlying goal is:
we want to increase the supply of affordable units. We could get through the process and decide
inclusionary zoning isn't the way we want to do it, we want to do something else, but.
O'Donnell: It says right on our sheet that we are talking about inclusionary zoning.
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Correia: No, we are talking about inclusionary zoning, yes.
O'Donnell: Ok.
Wilburn: There is
Franklin: Not the goal.
Wilburn: Not the goal.
Bailey: That's a huge step.
Wilburn: What is the next step for you?
Franklin: Well, you, the scope. Sounds like you might bring it up at your joint meeting and that what I'm
hearing is that we pursue the information, the substantiating and the defining the need.
Champion: Yes. We need that.
Franklin: Ok. So, I'll try to figure out how to do that.
Elliott: Right.
O'Donnell: Good luck!
Franklin: And then how much it's going to cost and then we'll take a collection.
Elliott: I, I think we need to find out if anyone else is interested and I am kind of, I'm not terribly
positive in thinking they will be interested, but I think we need to, because there's a chance,
perhaps the County would like to be involved, Coralville, North Liberty, maybe Tiffin would
like to be involved. And before we go off unilaterally, I would like to at least check with them.
Bailey: Jeff, can we put this in the human service portion of the JCCOG agenda? That's sooner rather
than the joint meeting. Can we do that?
Champion: Yes.
Bailey: Can we do that? That would be great. Thanks.
Vanderhoef: I'm also looking at the $50,0000.00 for the study. I know we do studies. This is a little more
expensive than what I'm aware of.
Franklin: And remember I'm guessing that. I'm guessing, I'm guessing.
Bailey: She's guessing. She has to get a proposal.
Franklin: It could be 60. It could be 70.
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Vanderhoef: So it could be a budget kind of thing, but my other question is, would CDBG dollars be
acceptable funding for doing this kind of study?
Franklin: Yep.
Vanderhoef: Then I think we should request at least part of the CDBG moneys fund.
Franklin: And we can get some, we have $20,0000.00 right now. I'm getting a mmm from Steve Long.
Vanderhoef: I think for this defined focus that that is one of the ways that we should be looking at funding
the study.
Champion: Bet we're also going beyond what they would be willing to, I mean if we go beyond, but part of
it.
Franklin: Right. Absolutely.
Vanderhoef: So, so there's a sharing between the general fund and CDBG to.
Franklin: Well, maybe we can just grow this collaboration a little bit more.
Bailey: Yeah. We'll do that.
Wilburn: And may just the record show that the Mayor did not comment on the source of funding for the
potential study.
Vanderhoef: I'm sorry.
Wilburn: That's all right. And one quick question, and then I think we're done with this and we can take a
break, for Eleanor. At what point of, would you feel the need to start gathering some
background information? I'm curious if there's no Iowa case law relevant to this.
Franklin: Ifthere's a drop dead in Iowa law.
Dilkes: There's Iowa case law that will make it, you know, depending on which way Council chooses to
go, will make the situation in Iowa different than it is in other jurisdictions. The primary issue is
going to be, I think, an in lieu of fee, and there is case law that will, we will have to take a close
look at in terms of how, whether we us an in lieu offee and how we structure it if we do. But I
don't think you're anywhere near that at this point.
Wilburn: Ok. That, that's just what I was kind of curious about. All right.
Champion: I wasn't clear on who supported the goals. Did, Dee, did you support the goals?
Franklin: Yes.
Vanderhoef: Pardon me?
Champion: You did - you supported the goals?
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Vanderhoef: Yeah. With more information. I'm, I'm making the assumption that these goals are stating that
we do have that problem.
Champion: Ok. And Bob, did you support the goals?
Elliott: I said I'm interested in looking at the data before determining directions and concepts.
Vanderhoef: Well, that's what I'm saying.
Bailey: So Dee is not supporting the goals.
Champion: So is not in favor of the goals.
Bailey: But Dee said that's what she is saying.
Vanderhoef: I'm saying I'm making the assumption.
Champion: I'd like a yes or no.
Bailey: She's just asking you to buy into this statement or not.
Vanderhoef: To increase.
Bailey: That our goal with this exploratory discussion is that we want to increase the supply of
affordable units and we want it scattered throughout our community.
Vanderhoef: Until I know how many I have, I can't say that we need to increase.
Bailey: Does that answer your question?
Champion: Yes. I just wanted, I didn't really hear clearly from everybody whether they supported the goals.
Wilburn: Let's take a break until quarter 'til.
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ITEM 10.
CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 3, ENTITLED "FINANCES,
TAXATION AND FEES," CHAPTER 4, ENTITLED "SCHEDULE OF FEES, RATES,
CHARGES, BONDS, FINES AND PENALTIES," SECTION 8, ENTITLED "PARKING
VIOLATIONS"; AMENDING TITLE 9, ENTITLED "MOTOR VEHICLES AND
TRAFFIC," CHAPTER 1, ENTITLED "DEFINITIONS, ADMINISTRATION AND
ENFORCEMENT OF TRAFFIC PROVISIONS," SECTION 1, ENTITLED
"DEFINITIONS"; AMENDING TITLE 9, CHAPTER 4, ENTITLED "PARKING
REGULATIONS," SECTION 3, ENTITLED "PARKING NOT TO OBSTRUCT
TRAFFIC"; AND AMENDING TITLE 9, CHAPTER 4, SECTION 10, ENTITLED
"PARKING FOR LOADING AND UNLOADING" TO DEFINE AND ESTABLISH
PASSENGER LOADING ZONES AND PENALTIES FOR VIOLATION OF SAID
ZONES. (FIRST CONSIDERATION)
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Wilburn: Ok. We are on agenda items. Before Council gets into that, my understanding is Jeff Davidson
will not be here tomorrow night, so if there are any questions about valet parking, you should
ask those now.
Elliott: Oh, that's the person unloading zone, huh?
Champion: Right.
Vanderhoef: Ah, something came up for me specifically for the location that we're talking about. As I read
the memo it appeared that they turned down loading zones that were at the corner.
Davidson: That's correct.
Vanderhoef: Ok. So, if the loading zone is for the valet, is across the street from the location where the folk
are going, how much jaywalking are we going to have versus them walking to the corner, come
across and come back?
Bailey: Same amount.
Champion: The same amount.
Vanderhoef: I'm saying no way! To put the valet parking in that location.
Davidson: That's why we wanted to raise it, in case you had any questions. That is what's proposed.
Vanderhoef: Well, I say no, because I don't think anyone will walk to the corner, come across and come
back.
Davidson: Correct.
Vanderhoef: And that's a safety issue that we can stop before it gets started.
O'Donnell: I disagree.
Champion: I jaywalk.
Bailey: I do too.
Correia: I do too.
(laughter)
Bailey:
I think we should just change that ordinance, personally.
O'Donnell:
It's an American thing to do.
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Vanderhoef: What really comes up, though, is that if you have cars that crowd the street down if they don't
get in tight, then we have essentially made that a one lane street, so there are fewer breaks in the
traffic, there's more queuing there.
O'Donnell: What, where are you talking about?
Bailey: This is the evening, right? Evening hours.
O'Donnell: Specifically where are you talking about?
Bailey: I'm not too concerned about after 5 o'clock on Washington Street.
Vanderhoef: Across the street from the restaurant that's requesting valet parking.
O'Donnell: I, I don't see the problem.
Bailey: In the evening.
Correia: 126.
Vanderhoef: The problem is at night to jaywalk across the street.
Bailey: It's down the street from Bo-James.
Correia: Right, 2 doors down from Bo-James.
Elliott: Ok, ok.
Vanderhoef: And they want to park on the south side instead of on the corner.
Correia: Know your audience.
Davidson: Yes. And I did go down and verify that there's an issue, that the restaurant raised, with if a car
is parked, if a car desiring valet parking was parked at the loading zone now at the end of the
block, if there's a large vehicle parked in the parallel parking - excuse me, the angle parking
there on the north side of Washington Street, if there's a large vehicle there, even as large as a
SUV, you can not see from the restaurant down to that area.
Champion: It has to be right by the restaurant or it's not gonna be used.
Bailey: What's the point if you can't pull right up in front up, that's the point of valet.
Champion: What's the point of it? That's the whole idea. I say give it a try.
Vanderhoef: Then what option do we have to putting it on the north side of the street?
Correia: There's angle parking.
Davidson: Well, there's angle parking, right.
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Vanderhoef: I know there's angle parking there.
Davidson: We did consider using one of the parking spaces, which unfortunately removed it from use as an
angle parking space. It was felt that there would be difficulty in towing a vehicle out of an angle
parking space. Then you would be shutting down the entire street in order to do that. So we felt
it was better to have a double parking situation.
Elliott: Do we really have that many people who want to use valet parking?
Bailey: Valet parking is the best thing in the world.
Champion: Mmm hmm. You don't get that.
Vanderhoef: All right.
Elliott: I can't imagine.
Vanderhoef: What about the loading zone that is on the east side of Dubuque Street, that would be visible?
It's alongside the bank.
Champion: It's too far away.
Correia: You can't see the restaurant.
Bailey: It's a block away from the restaurant. They might as well just park in the lot.
Correia: You still have to jaywalk in the middle of Dubuque Street.
O'Donnell: Either that or they could park in the lot and walk.
Correia: There's parallel parking.
Vanderhoef: No. There's a loading zone right beside the bank. There's, there are two loading zones.
Correia: Oh, on the other side, on the same side. Oh.
Vanderhoef: Yep. See, on the east side of the bank, so you would get out, walk to the corner and.
Correia: It still seems far away.
Davidson: I would have to say, Dee, that based on our extensive negotiations with the restaurant
(laughter)
Davidson: That that is likely to be too far for them.
Champion: It is.
Vanderhoef: Based on my opinion, I think their spot is wrong.
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O'Donnell: I think it's a neat idea.
Correia: Let's try it.
Bailey: Let's try it.
O'Donnell: (can't hear) for Iowa City, let's do it.
Correia: If it doesn't work, we stop it.
Bailey: Iftraffic planners come back and say it stinks, we (can't hear)
Davidson: And I did emphasize in the memo and I would emphasize to you that they have assured us that
they will have a person standing by ready to go out and get the car and take it away. And you
will note that the ordinance is specifically set up, I believe 3 minutes is as long a length of time
legally that that vehicle can be double parked there.
Champion: I can't get my family out of the car in 3 minutes.
Davidson: Ifthey don't cooperate on their end, we fully intend to bring this back to you and say it's not
working, so.
Vanderhoef: And those drivers are gonnajaywalk to. The valets.
Davidson: That is very, I, that is very likely.
Elliott: So, the conversation at this point has been we'll try something and if it doesn't work we'll
eliminate it.
Davidson: We want them to honor their side of the border, which is that they will not leave the vehicle
unattended there, that their valet people will be out to take it away right away.
Elliott: But they know that if there's a problem, we'll just say we made a mistake.
O'Donnell: I think the only thing that we have to use caution on is to make sure that the valet drives the car
away.
Atkins: Have somebody steal it.
Bailey: Drives it to the parking lot and returns it.
Wilburn: Any other questions?
(all talk - can't hear)
Wilburn:
Any other questions of Jeff? Other agenda items.
ITEM 12.
CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 5, ENTITLED "BUSINESS AND
LICENSE REGULATIONS." CHAPTER 2, ENTITLED "VEHICLES FOR HIRE" BY
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Atkins:
Elliott:
Atkins:
Champion:
Bailey:
Karr:
Bailey:
Karr:
Bailey:
Atkins:
Karr:
Bailey:
Atkins:
Karr:
Correia:
Karr;
Bailey:
REPEALING SAID CHAPTER IN ITS ENTIRETY AND REPLACING IT WITH A NEW
CHAPTER 2, ENTITLED "TAXICABS". (SECOND CONSIDERATION)
Ah, one item, Ross, to bring to your attention, that's the vehicles for hire taxi. You know we
have an inspection process done by our police. I want to propose that we're going to change
that. I'd like to have that done by our equipment maintenance. I think they can do it
Right.
This is without criticism of the police, but they can do it far better. I think they'll observe safety
problems a lot quicker and simply having the equipment division as opposed to the police doing
the inspections.
That's fine.
So how will that interaction work with, I mean, the Clerk's office with the license and then the,
what department?
It will work, it will work the same way it does right now.
Ok.
The only difference will be instead of getting the signed inspection sheet from police we'll get it
from equipment.
And turnaround, there's no issue about time consideration or anything?
They have to have an appointment. In fact, it probably is a lot easier pulling into the equipment
maintenance
Well that, that isn't, again, that isn't going to be a factor with the revised ordinance, because we
have that 24 hour waiting period once the application is completed anyway, so I think it'll still
be
Ok.
So we plan to set that up
And that, that revision that Steve outlined is what's in front of you this evening, and it is,
Eleanor did review it, and it's viewed as a non-substantive or non-substantive change that
wouldn't require you to start over, so you can continue with the second reading tomorrow night
with that amendment.
So but, tomorrow we would need to make that amendment.
I will write, I will write something up noting that, because you also have, this also includes the
language that I mentioned on the agenda, that we allow the flexibility on the wording on the
dome light as well.
Right.
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Karr:
Correia:
Karr:
Elliott:
Wilburn:
ITEM 13.
Elliott:
Wilburn:
Elliott:
Wilburn:
Elliott:
Atkins:
Elliott:
Atkins:
Elliott:
Atkins:
Elliott:
Atkins:
Elliott:
Atkins:
Elliott:
Atkins:
So we'll note those two changes in the record tomorrow night, and you can just adopt as
amended and we'll just have that read into the record.
Second reading.
Yes.
Ok. I like that.
Other agenda items?
CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING, AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE
MAYOR TO EXECUTE AND THE CITY CLERK TO ATTEST AN AGREEMENT BY
AND BETWEEN THE CITY OF IOWA CITY AND ROHRBACH ASSOCIATES PC TO
PROVIDE PROFESSIONAL CONSULTANT SERVICES FOR THE FIRE STATION #2
DEMOLITION AND CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
Item 13.
Ok.
The Associates, what is it, Rohrbach Associates
Correct.
Are they consultants? Are they architects?
Architects.
Architects. Ok.
You must have
So, you're hiring an architect.
We're hiring an architect.
Why do you need an architect for demolition?
I don't know.
It just said for demolition and construction.
Oh, Jeff said to put, the preparation of the spec for demolition, there is apparently a spec for
demolition.
Ask the man who knows.
There you go.
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ITEM 14.
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Number 9.
Oh, I had a question about 13 also, since we're doing it right now.
Ok.
When we had our meeting about that we had talked about investigating LEED certification for
that building, and I didn't notice that in that agreement. I didn't know ifit needed to be in that
It's towards the end.
But I didn't
There was some discussion of LEED towards the end of it.
I thought there was. I'll confirm that for you.
Ok. Maybe I didn't see it.
But I don't know ifit was talking about - if there was some discussion, and I'm trying to get it
in front of me. You probably could get it faster.
I'll check that for you.
Ok. Because I would be interested in having that in there.
CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AMENDING THE PLEDGE, SERVICING AND
PARTICIPATION AGREEMENT AND THE LOAN AGREEMENT RELATING TO THE
SENIOR HOUSING FACILITIES REVENUE BOND (OAKNOLL PROJECT) SERIES
2004A.
And then 14, the amendments, the loan agreement. Technicalities?
Technicalities. There's a prepayment penalty clause in their current contract with their bonds
and they'd like for us to in fact relieve them of that responsibilities. We've sold the bonds. They
have to come to us. It's not a problem.
APPROVING PLANS, SPECIFICATIONS, FORM OF CONTRACT, AND ESTIMATE
OF COST FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE GRAND AVENUE ROUNDABOUT
PROJECT, ESTABLISHING AMOUNT OF BID SECURITY TO ACCOMPANY EACH
BID, DIRECTING CITY CLERK TO PUBLISH ADVERTISEMENT FOR BIDS, AND
FIXING TIME AND PLACE FOR RECEIPT OF BIDS.
I have number 9. Have we got any idea when they're talking about starting this roundabout?
It wouldn't be started until next spring, Mike. This winter, I can't imagine much before March
I", April I".
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Correia:
Karr:
Correia:
Karr:
Correia:
Karr:
Dilkes:
Correia:
Wilburn:
ITEM 7.
ITEM 8.
Bailey:
Correia:
Bailey:
Ford:
Wilburn:
Ford:
Bailey:
Ford:
And 1 was glad too the University coming through with $130,000.00 to assist in that.
Is that, this is a public hearing, and I didn't notice that the plans or anything were in the packet?
The plans and specs are never in the packet.
Ok.
They're always on file with, in the Clerk's office or in the department that has it. You typically
do not get the, they're quite large documents and irregularly shaped and so the Council doesn't
typically get them. You could stop by and get them.
Well, I wasn't really thinking about it for the Council, because, I mean, we've had presentations
and what not. For people that saw this and wanted to come to the public hearing.
They often stop by.
And I think - I think when we set it, I think that resolution provides that the plans should be
placed on file.
Ok.
Other agenda items?
APPROVING AND AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF AN AGREEMENT FOR
PRIVATE REDEVELOPMENT BY AND BETWEEN THE CITY OF IOWA CITY AND
NATIONAL GENECULAR INSTITUTE INC. FOR PROPERTY LOCATED WITHIN
THE NORTHGATE CORPORATE PARK URBAN RENEWAL AREA
CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING APPLICATION FOR FINANCIAL
ASSISTANCE FROM THE IOWA DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTS
COMMUNITY ECONOMIC BETTERMENT ACCOUNT (CEBA) FOR FUNDS TO
ASSIST NATIONAL GENECULAR INSTITUTE, INC.
Ijust wondered if people had questions on 7, because Wendy's here, if we want to go through
that agreement.
I had questions.
Do you have some highlights, Wendy, that you wanted to bring to our?
Ah
Wendy, can you come up to the mic? Thanks.
Specific questions, or would you like me to give ail overview?
Probably go with an overview and people will think of their questions.
Ok. NGI, which stands for National Genecular Institute, is a, an R&D, a research and
development company that sprung out of an established by yet still young company called
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Dermacia, which is a company that specializes in skincare for the anti-aging and post-surgical
market. NGI is the research and development part of that, not part of that company but
subsidiary of that company, and they had been looking at locations to start their business and
moving it forward. Iowa and Utah were two of the last locations and they've chosen Iowa
because of its proximity to the University ofIowa, and in fact have put together a kind of
unique package of joint collaboration. We've all worked together. That is, the University, the
City of Coralville and the City of Iowa City, in applying for their application to the Iowa
Department of Economic Development for CEBA funds. In their application they have
requested $655,000.00 in funds, plus what will probably amount to about 1.9 million dollars in
high-quality jobs creation funds. For the sponsorship of that application to Iowa Department of
Economic Development, they ask for local matches from both the City of Coralville, who .
approved an $800,000.00 up front finance in the form of a TIP bond, I guess it is. And they
have requested from Iowa City a local match as well. When we looked at the numbers and the
components of the project that would be located in Iowa City, we were able to figure that with
the investment of a minimum of a 4.5 million dollar building and the maximum of a 6 million
dollar building, we could provide up to 1.2 million dollars in TIP finance rebates over the
course of 7 years for this business. It's unique in that it would have 2 locations, the first location
of which would be in Coralville's Oakdale Research Park in what will be a new building built
across the street or across Park Road, I guess it's called, from the new Hygienic Lab. The Iowa
City component will be what's called a Bio-Material Storage Facility, or Bio-Bank for short,
and that would be located on Lot 9 in Northgate Corporate Park, just north of the old
Highlander, with an option to buy about 34 acres from Northgate as well that sits just north of
that also. The Bio-Bank facility is twenty thousand square foot, two-floor facility with one of
the floors below grade, and that floor would be the biomaterials storage. And they put that
below grade so it can be protected from the elements, especially tornadoes. They would like a
secure place for the storage of those materials. Essentially what you have before you are two
resolutions. One is to support the local match in a form of a TIP rebate of up to 1.2 million
dollars over 7 years, and the second is a resolution to support their application to IDED for the
CEBA funds, in which the part of the Iowa City match is the TIF rebate for them. That's
essentially it in a nutshell. I kind of glossed over quite quickly.
Elliott:
Good summary.
Ford:
Thanks.
O'Donnell:
Thank you.
Correia:
So is the, just, I think this is in the packet, but just to confirm, so that the facility is part of
Oakdale Research Park in Coralville, which is University property?
Ford:
Yeah, it's on University property, in a building that would be owned by the developer, as far as
we know. They would be leasing it from a property holder, let's put it that way. They will not
hold title to the building there. They will incur costs in building it out, but they will not own it.
The exciting part for us is that they will actually buy and own the land that
Correia:
Right, that's the difference in terms of what's in Coralville isn't on, do they pay property taxes
to Coralville or is it, can some University?
Ford:
That's a good question.
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Well, they have to.
The property is owned by the University and thus is not
I think, as far as we understand it, the building is going to be owned by a private entity.
Ok.
And so taxes would be paid on the building, though not on the land. If the building were owned
by the University, then there would be no taxes paid.
And just to be clear, that's the Coralville property, not the Iowa City property.
Yes.
Right, right, right. Urn. The one other question I had was, I wondered how incorporating,
obtaining LEED certification in this, I mean, we talked about this with our last TIF, and it
seemed like an exciting thing to have that be part ofTIF projects, so, I didn't know if that had
come up with them, if that, if anyone else is wondering about that?
Did we talk about that?
Did not.
That, I don't think that even came into the conversation in this one, and I don't know if that's
because of the scope.
I think we were focusing on the jobs.
Sure, I think the jobs are great, I mean I love, they are great jobs.
Yeah, I didn't touch on that, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, and it's great, with the University connection and you know.
I think the length of the TIF, too, it's only 7 years.
Yeah.
It was important to me.
It would have been a good idea to bring it up, but it's too late for us to do it now, but now that
we're keyed into that, the Council can remember that.
Yeah. I think so. Well, and it doesn't prevent Wendy from bringing up that it's an exciting
thing, that people around here get, are really excited about, and we have expertise in the area. I
don't know that.
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Champion: That's a large building. I'm sure they will take those kinds of issues seriously, because that's
kind of out in the middle of the prairie, and the winds come all across there and the sun's going
to beat down in the summer.
Bailey: The underground portion of it could qualify for LEED points, actually.
Wilburn: Dee, I'm trying to remember, was this the group that came to the ECCOG meeting in December
last year?
Vanderhoef: Mmm hmm.
Wilburn: Ok. So this has been, they've been looking at this for some time, because I remember we were
out last December when ECCOG had their December meeting there and they came and were
showing their interest in the area, so this has been some time in the making.
Ford: And at that point it was a much smaller project. I'm not quite sure.
Vanderhoef: And Coralville only.
Ford: And Coralville only.
Wilburn: Right. That's right.
Ford: I'm not quite sure what prompted changes in the whole size and scope of the thing, but it
certainly lends itself to something that would look good for the future ofIowa City, given that
land purchase in Iowa City and given the fact that they'd be buying this extra 34 acres on this to
expand. That holds a lot of promise for the future, more so than I would think then a lease hold
property.
Vanderhoef: Yes. But going back to your LEED comment, I think this is something that we should look at
putting into our policy for TIF projects, if this is what we're gonna ask, and another piece that I
spoke with 2 or 3 of you here about putting into that policy as we update it is the possibility of
establishing a maximum percent of every TIF that comes through may be reserved for City
infrastructure related to that TIF area, and I'm not sure what that percentage number would be
at this point in time. It doesn't mean we would always do it, but I think we are remiss if we
don't give information up front when somebody first starts looking at their project and saying
what do I need to make this project go. And if they know the possibility, you know, 10% of that
money is going to be used for infrastructure then they can run their numbers as if they had all
but 10% and they could run a second set of numbers that if we chose not to take part of the TIF
for infrastructure, that they could request more. But they need that up-front information and I'd
like that discussed.
Correia: Can I make
Elliott: I will second that, that's why I, I have suggested that we have a discussion on proposed
guidelines for TIFs. I think that would be beneficial for staff, for Council, and for any business
entities that are interested in being in Iowa City.
Wilburn: Well, we certainly can open up our economic development guidelines for our work session, a
future work session.
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Bailey:
Wilburn:
Bailey:
O'Donnell:
Correia:
Wilburn:
Bailey:
Champion:
Bailey:
Wilburn:
Baeth:
Ford:
Baeth:
Correia:
Champion:
Bailey:
Correia:
Bailey:
Correia:
We are looking at them tomorrow morning actually.
Ok. All right.
Can I make a suggestion about this LEED sort of issue? This is one of the things that we're
really looking at on the Vision Iowa board, we're asking more and more libraries that come
across our desk, and we're actually going to have a work session on what LEED means. And I
would suggest that since we talk about it a lot, that that may be helpful for this group as well, is
developing a better understanding of what that means and what we're asking people to do so
we're more conversant in LEED. I don't know if anybody else would be interested in bringing
somebody in for a work session that we could perhaps tape?
That's a good idea.
I think it's a great idea.
That's fine.
I know that there were experts here a couple of weeks ago. We probably should have piled on
and taken advantage of that. But I think we can
One of our architectural firms might be able to, might have expertise for us.
Dh absolutely - well, Neuman Monson has somebody.
Before there's more discussion about this, we've already decided that we're going to, we're
going to have a work session about that, but are there particular questions about this particular
agreement?
Wendy, did you say how many jobs this is going to bring?
Yeah, it'll bring to the area about 178, I believe. 36 of those will be located in the Iowa City
facility by the end of the third year of operation.
Thank you.
And all those jobs have benefits.
Mmmhmm.
Yeah, 14/70.
They have a childcare benefit.
Yeah, they have a really interesting benefit package.
The last question I have is tomorrow when we open up the public hearing, could, were you
going to do what you just did for us? Could you do that? If other people were interested in that?
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Ford:
Wilburn:
Elliott:
Correia:
Wilburn:
Correia:
Champion:
Correia:
Champion:
Karr:
Correia:
Karr:
Atkins:
Correia:
Karr:
Correia:
Karr:
Dilkes:
Karr:
Dilkes:
I could certainly do that. I also know that Dr. Fujia will be here as well, and if you like, I can
lead off with sort of an intro, like I did today and then I expect that he would come up and be
available as well.
That's fine. That would be nice.
Good.
That would be great.
Thank you Wendy. Any other agenda items?
I have a question about, there was a memo from the police chief about the Que Bar, but they
weren't listed in the renewals. Were they not? Is that a?
They're getting renewed.
No, no, but that's not on this.
Oh.
Two different issues. They were preparing their paperwork for renewal. It hasn't been brought
before you. They're doing their preliminary information for you. Also, what he was telling you
was almost a "what if" situation. It does not effect the renewal even if it was on the agenda. He
was just telling you because of the quote your decision to allow a year's worth of notice, this
would not be one that would trigger this time, it would be the next time.
Ok.
He was giving you a heads-up.
A heads-up.
Right. No, I was understanding that.
Yeah. And the paperwork was still being completed on the renewal, so that's why they didn't
coincide.
Right. So. You're saying the year's heads-up, was that, I mean, I can't remember every detail.
Was that incorporated into our ordinance?
It was specifically something that you wanted in there to allow
The, the ordinance, it's not in the ordinance. There was a separate resolution that adopted
guidelines for review of liquor license applications. Do you remember that? And I think it did
include
It did.
It did include the 24 month.
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Correia: Ok.
Vanderhoef: Some wanted to go right ahead
Dilkes: I mean 12.
Correia: 12.
Champion: Right.
Dilkes: There's 12 months in a year.
Vanderhoef: We were split on that one.
Correia: Well I appreciate it, having that memo about that. Just, I think that's important.
Item 4 Consent Calendar f(14) Smoking policy
Vanderhoef: On correspondence, number 14, the smoking policy, this young lady needs our form letter.
Correia: And you know, I have, what I wonder is, if there would be a way to have a page on our website
that would just describe the history of the smoking, the smoking ban and what happened and
where the locus of control is now, so that when people are investigating whether the City has a
smoking ban, they could see oh they tried it, the supreme court, here's where they need to
contact if they want to advocate that, so they could sort of, we could bypass.
Bailey: That's a great idea.
Atkins: Excuse me (can't hear)
Bailey: With direct links to legislators.
Correia: Yeah, with links to legislators and how to advocate, just Iowa.gov, you know.
Vanderhoef: All 150 of them?
Correia: Yeah.
Bailey: Absolutely. Send all.
Elliott: Maybe Phillip and Morris will sponsor it.
O'Donnell: Sure.
Karr: We get a lot, a number of phone calls, again, it's a class project, it's an identifiable, there, it is
on the website, not as a separate link and I agree, but we are going to constantly get those types
of questions from individuals doing research and we do, I don't know that it's possible to do a
link for every project. Now, we do get a number of smoking, but we get the same type of thing
with 21 ordinance and various other.
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Correia:
Dilkes:
Correia:
Dilkes:
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Correia:
Bailey:
Karr:
Wilburn:
(laughter)
Wilburn:
Item 4
Correia:
Bailey:
Correia:
Bailey:
Correia:
Dilkes:
Correia:
Franklin:
Correia:
Dilkes:
Well it seems like with this one it's very specific to we had it, you know, the City Council had
done this and, I mean, I don't know.
Some of them are, some of the questions we get though are not directed to smoking in public
places in restaurants, which is what we tried. They're directed at smoking around public
buildings and that kind of thing, and that really is a different issue.
Right. Well that is, yeah, yeah.
And so.
It may be helpful in some situations, but we will continue to get correspondence from
Oh, I know.
It's not a panacea.
But of course.
Because I've received some, I've followed up on some correspondence related to smoking and
said were you aware and well yes, but I still think something should be done. So.
Other agenda items.
Consent Calendar f(15) Country Club Estates
Country Club Estates protest of rezoning. What does that mean for us?
Isn't that deferred? In Planning and Zoning?
It's deferred. So what is that?
Indefinitely.
Oh, ok. Is that why it was deferred?
It doesn't mean anything for you right now.
Ok.
The developers are reworking the plans. The neighbors are trying to have an influence on what
happens.
Oh, ok. So it was in our packet but.
It will be back.
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Correia: Ok.
Priority Policv Review for Proposed '08 Bude:et
Wilburn:
Atkins:
Wilburn:
Atkins:
Correia:
(laughter)
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Bailey:
Atkins:
O'Donnell:
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Bailey:
Atkins:
O'Donnell:
Atkins:
O'Donnell:
Atkins:
Elliott:
Other agenda items? Ok. Priority policy review for proposed '08 budget. Mr. Atkins? I'm going
to, I think, 10 minutes. I'm just going to throw out; maybe we can take this in 20 - 20 minute
chunks. Go 20 minutes, see where we're at, see if we need to add on. All right.
I can't be on my feet much longer.
Oh, yeah, that's right. You want to sit down and just pull the mic over?
No, that's ok. I have a wound.
Maybe Dale could write and you could sit.
Were you jaywalking?
Were you golfing? Oh, sorry.
Not jaywalking and not golfing.
It's a good thing we're going to have valet parking.
Yeah, exactly.
Ok. This is an opportunity, really what I intended last time", it was a little more formal, we can
make this more informal. Are there things you'd like the rest of us to think about? Let us do a
little staff work earlier in the process wherein we're beginning to assemble the budget now. I
just need to know what kinds of ideas you have. They can be capital or operating. Capital was,
as you know one of the formal presentations.
I have one I'd like to see, Foster Road, continue to Prairie du Chien We've got a great deal of
the work completed already.
That's a project of water, sewers in, grading on the property - it's a matter of just paving. Just.
That's a big deal.
But that opens a lot of grounds for development up there.
Yes it does.
Since we're on roads, it seems to me that we talk about different intersections. To me the
number one bane of intersections is especially westbound traffic on, what is it, Highway 6,
interchanging with Riverside Drive. The stacking lanes are far, far too short.
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Atkins: Highway 6.
Bailey: Mmm hmm.
Vanderhoef: Mmm hmm.
Atkins: Ok. We've got Gilbert still under contract.
Elliott: Yeah. But. Only, I don't know, a half dozen cars, and so many times the cars are backed up in
the straight-ahead lane when they really want to turn and the cars wanting to go straight could
go forward.
Bailey: And could I build on that Riverside Drive? I had that Riverside Drive, when is Riverside Drive
on our list? It's not on the out years, to upgrade the street and pedestrian access? So, ['II just
build on, you know, Riverside Drive.
Elliott: Yeah. I just think, in several instances, there are a couple of places on Highway 6 bypass.
Atkins: Give me the, Riverside where?
Champion: Unsightly.
Bailey: Riverside Drive from you know, tornado damage south. What? Exactly what?
(laughter)
Champion:
Bailey:
Champion:
Elliott:
Bailey:
Champion:
Atkins:
Bailey:
Atkins:
Correia:
Bailey:
I said unsightly.
It's unsightly?
It needs some pruning.
Regenia, there out of line.
It needs some, yes. Fluffing.
It does.
Ok. Get this out.
Yeah. That would be good.
Anybody else?
Well, I'm interested in looking at the numbers for expanding transit hours. And what I'm
thinking, what I'm interested in looking at is all Monday through Friday routes going to
midnight or 12:30 and then having Sunday service. Having the Saturday service on Sunday.
I have that on my list as well. Sunday service, particularly.
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Elliott:
Ifwe're going to look at that, I would certainly like to look at the financial aspects. How much
money are we putting into the transit system now and how much more this.
Correia:
Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying, that's what I'm asking to see, what.
Atkins:
That's what you'll get.
Bailey:
That's what a budget, yeah. Well, one of the things that I thought about when I thought about
(end of tape)
Bailey: Right and so, right, but it is a holiday and would that enable,
Correia: Oh, that's true.
Bailey: I mean, and there is a lot of congestion. Would that enable more people from?
Vanderhoef: Holiday Lights on that one. That, almost like a.
Bailey: What did you say? Holiday Lights?
Vanderhoef: Holiday Lights. I had brought it because I became aware of other communities that pick up, go
drive them around.
Bailey: Oh, that do sightseeing, holiday.
Atkins: Oh, Holiday Lights.
Correia: I know, I was like, what, Holiday Lights?
Bailey: Extra cocoa.
Champion: Good we all can get together.
Bailey: I know. I wasn't tracking either, but ok, got it.
Vanderhoef: As a fun service for some of our homebound folks.
Bailey: And that would be an easy way to take kids.
Vanderhoef: It's an easy way and keeps a lot of cars out of the streets.
Champion: I don't know if we should have taxpayer money to do that.
Bailey: Then how about coming to the festival that we support? No. I can't see, once it's halfway. But I
can listen.
Vanderhoef: I want to look at extension of the trail from Napoleon Park down to the new
Wilburn: Sand Lake?
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Vanderhoef: Sand Lake area and also opportunities to purchase the land down there along the river that is in
the flood plane.
Bailey: Ooh. Did we get a letter on that?
Correia: Yes. Get you a chair Steve?
Vanderhoef: Well, you could turn the page over. You don't have to write clearto the bottom. You can waste
paper tonight.
Bailey: He's saving resources.
Vanderhoef: The trail from Napoleon to Sand Lake and then purchase of flood plain areas.
Bailey: And I would really like Sand Lake to be one of those projects that we seek outside funding for,
even perhaps to DC for the trail parts of it or something, so.
Correia: Do we have tape? Tape. Do we have tape, you know, so we could tape that up and still see?
Karr: Is that supposed to, are those supposed to?
Bailey: No. Because we're, we save money. Those are more expensive.
Vanderhoef: The collaboration with, I would still like to work with the County on that.
Correia: We have to.
Vanderhoef: And the County Conservation Board and Wetlands Corps of Engineers, all ofthose folks,
because this is a potential area that we can use for storm water holding.
Correia: I'd also like to investigate private investment into that.
Vanderhoef: Yeah.
Bailey: Oh, absolutely.
Correia: You know like, you could have it named after a donor.
Bailey: Well the shelter could be the Correia shelter.
Correia: Well, not me, business have much more money than my $5000.00 stipend.
Bailey: Perhaps relatives.
Vanderhoef: We could all donate our Council paychecks.
Bailey: Like that would go - it pays for the health insurance.
Correia: A couple park benches.
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Champion: Urn, ok, one thing that bothers me, well, a lot of things bother me, but when I drive around town
is the lack of sidewalks in certain parts oftown along major roads. And as we're getting
development now east, you know, there's a lot of Rochester that doesn't have any sidewalks
and people are walking in the street and I don't know if we have an inventory of areas of town
that need sidewalks?
Vanderhoef: We do. Well, you have Riverside all the way down to the airport.
Bailey: Oh, Riverside is a disaster, because they're assuming trail though, I mean that's how that
shuttles off, and it's not good access.
Champion: Along Rochester, there's a lot of people walking along Rochester and as that develops along
there, people are walking in the street or they're walking in the weeds, and I don't, I wouldn't
mind investing some public money in completing sidewalks.
Atkins: Ok.
Elliott: Well, I've always thought the fairness issue comes up. When you tell someone that you have a
sidewalk in front so you're required to keep it in good repair and they say but, well, that's ok,
let them go. That's, I mean, that's just unfair.
Champion: Well, there's not a sidewalk there. It wasn't part of the requirement.
Bailey: Right.
Elliott: Yeah but if I'm going to pay for a sidewalk I want them to pay for a sidewalk.
Vanderhoef: We've never done assessments. Ah, I think it's time we had a conversation about assessments
for things like sidewalks.
Champion: But I think those
(all talk - can't hear)
Bailey: Oh, goody. Good idea.
Vanderhoef: No, but there is a fairness issue there.
Champion: But if it's undeveloped land, what do you do then? A lot of that land is undeveloped.
Elliott: Somebody owns it.
Atkins: How about if we get you some answers?
Champion Yeah, I would, that's just the thing that.
Bailey: There's no land that's not owned, though.
Champion: That's for sure. There's no land that's not owned.
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Elliott: You have property you build a sidewalk.
Champion: You're really rigid tonight.
Bailey: I'd like to pursue the idea that, I mean, this is actually a revenue side, Connie's licensing idea,
the animal center.
Atkins: Pets?
Bailey: Yeah, are we looking into that?
Atkins: We're already done with that. We're going to get a report for you.
Bailey: Good, because I think that that's something that.
Champion: We're missing a lot of revenue.
Bailey: Yeah, we should be looking at that side of the budget as well, and I thought that was a great
idea.
Champion: And of course my eat's not licensed, by the way.
Bailey: Neither are my two cats.
Champion: No.
Correia: They don't go outside.
Bailey: Mine don't go outside, but
Champion: Mine don't go outside either, but they still have to be licensed.
Bailey: Technically. We're all in violation. Jaywalking, non-licensing.
Champion: Jaywalking, non-licensing of pets.
O'Donnell: I would really like to see us look at that 4th fire station.
Correia: Beat you to it.
Champion: Well, we all want that.
Vanderhoef: Yes.
Correia: Yes. I'd like numbers for that too.
Champion: And maybe Steve you could even tell us when you think it's going to be possible. I know you
can't predict the future.
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O'Donnell:
Bailey:
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I can do a pretty good job.
But you can do, I know you can, so.
I don't think it's going to be possible for a long time.
Oh, ok, well that's pretty bad.
Unless we do what?
Yeah, that's the question.
Unless you really make some dramatic reductions in other services.
Put the number up there.
It's possible. We have to prioritize.
Absolutely.
What's the number?
The number.
For nine
Well if we pull services out of somewhere else, what do we have to get to?
Maybe 10, so you've got $600,000.00.
We could get it picked up from (can't hear)
At the very least you've got 10 employees and a $600,000.00 payroll. The very least. To open
the doors.
That's a developing area and it's a matter of public safety and I
Which would then increase each year.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
Everything increases, it seems.
Ok. What else?
Well since
Do we have enough animals, enough licenses to come up with that kind of money?
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There are a lot of cats in Iowa City I think.
I'll bet you we have ten thousand.
If we license do we have to use that for animal services?
Oh we need to.
Don't ask. We never ask for that.
Well, library fines don't go into the library, right?
We can't pick you up over here - we don't have a microphone.
Sure they do, don't they?
They didn't.
They go to the library.
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Vanderhoef: I want to get the South Airport Industrial.
Atkins: Oh, Aviation Commerce Park South? We have presentations planned for you.
Vanderhoef: Ok. But that's a high priority for me for funding.
Bailey: But funding what? I mean, infrastructure?
Correia: You mean to get more funding. If we develop it.
Atkins: Water, sewer, fiU, aU this
Bailey: Well that's what I was asking her, is she?
Correia: I thought you were talking about
Champion: Would this be additional land out there, Dee?
Atkins: Yes.
Vanderhoef: Pardon me?
Champion: But we don't have it developed. We haven't sold any of the others. Why would you want to
develop more?
Vanderhoef: Because I see this as a different zoning then what
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Atkins:
Bailey:
O'Donnell:
Atkins:
Bailey:
(laughter)
Correia:
Atkins:
Correia:
Atkins:
Correia:
Atkins:
Correia:
Atkins:
Bailey:
Atkins:
Champion:
Correia:
Bailey:
Yeah. I think you need to prepare for the inevitability of it. It may not be use but the next. It' s
going to happen. Excuse me.
It's not going to be us what?
We may not be here when.
You may not be making the decisions as this one fills in, but this, this'll go.
What do you know that we don't?
People always say you won't be on the Council when.
Ok.
Well, I'm interested in exploring doing an exciting, affordable housing initiative using our
bonding capacity, so I'mjust going to throw out my idea of bonding for 5 million dollars for
affordable housing, having, looking at lead-based paint abatement, having the housing rehab
that we already do bond for the 80 to 110% be a part of that, increasing our capacity to have a
loan fund in terms of pairing this money with the HOME allocation, which is only a fraction of
what the need is. And then proposing having a memorandum with the Housing Trust Fund or
some other non-profit to lead a community education campaign, which is something we all said
was important.
Use of GO bonds, that's the big issue.
Yep.
And we're going to build a program around that.
Yep.
We can get you that.
That would be interesting to see. What the possibilities are there. I would be really interested in
that.
Ok. Anything else?
And that would be paid back by? Mortgages?
The loans.
Revolving loans.
(all talk - can't hear)
Champion:
Fund.
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Bailey: The question would be how fast. You could revolve it.
Correia: Similar to what, with Oak Mill, right?
Bailey: It uses that. Ok.
Vanderhoef: I would like to continue looking for contract, independent contract folk for, we did it with
management of building of the library, for instance. Contract management for the whole
building of the engineer. I think perhaps we have more opportunities that we could use those as
independent contractors versus hiring engineering fIrms to do some of that.
Champion: I don't understand.
Atkins: Go a little further with that one.
Correia: I'm lost.
Bailey: I'm not tracking, yeah.
Vanderhoef: Ok. We used an independent contractor to be the contract manager.
Atkins: We do that all the time. We have, that's our eyes and ears on a project.
Vanderhoef: And I'd like to see, I'd like to see more of the independent contractor rather than contracting
with engineering fIrms to do the same job. I think there's
Atkins: What's the difference?
Bailey: Yeah, what's the difference?
Vanderhoef: The difference is that an independent contractor is here and then gone, but they do their own
work without paying for a whole corporate background on it.
O'Donnell: To do what job? I don't have any idea what you're talking about.
Champion: I don't understand, Dee.
Vanderhoef: Remember when we hired the contract manager for the building of the library?
Champion: Yeah.
Vanderhoef: That, that was totally independent, didn't work for an engineering fIrm, worked for himself.
Champion: And?
Vanderhoef: And that contract came in considerably lower than what we get from the engineering fIrms.
Atkins: Yeah, it did.
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Champion: Oh.
Bailey: Engineers are expensive.
Vanderhoef: We have people out in the community who are engineers who have done that. Ijust spoke
recently to someone who came into the community, a civil engineer, in the military, retired after
25 years, would like to do a few jobs, doesn't want
O'Donnell: That's, that
Dilkes: I think what was confusing is that those are both independent contractors.
O'Donnell: Yes.
Dilkes: One is in the contract management business and the other is an engineering firm that does
contract management.
Vanderhoef: Mmm hmm.
Elliott: The term independent contractor is different than employee. Wage and hour people, you have to
meet a variety of criteria to qualify for someone to be an independent contractor as opposed to
an employee.
Dilkes: Right. But that wasn't the distinction that Dee was talking about.
Vanderhoef: I also want to look at the upgrading of Gilbert Street from basically where Bowery comes in
where we're redoing the intersection south all the way down to the 4-way down by Napoleon
Park. Well, no, it's 4-way actually south of Highway 6.
Champion: What needs to be done to it?
Vanderhoef: It needs to be upgraded.
Atkins: Around the railroad tracks, about there?
Bailey: At Kirkwood and Gilbert.
Vanderhoef: That whole.
Atkins: Where it changes to Sand Road.
Vanderhoef: It's one of the areas that is needing some upgrading. We've got the changes happening in the
County buildings down there. The money has been approved by the way for the building of the
new armory out, so that building will be changing down there when they, within a year or two,
so I think we're ready to do redevelopment down there. Spruce that part of the City up.
O'Donnell: I think that's a good idea, Ross, these 20-minute sessions. We actually get some time to think
about the next one.
Wilburn: We have 2 minutes left on our 20 minutes.
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Vanderhoef: The clock is ticking.
Bailey: I have, well, one of the ideas, I think I brought this up, I think we need a kind of a contest or
some kind of within departments, put management and frontline service staff together to look
for ways to save, you know, to cut expenses. Because every year we do this budget, everything
increases, and, I mean, I was really impressed with what Rick was saying the ways we contain
costs with energy. That was very helpful, but I think that there might be other ways that we can
look at cutting expenses. And the people who do the work are probably the best people to know
that. So if we could put together some incentives, for committees and departments, a little
contest or something. I don't know, it could be fun too, it could be real community building
within the City staff and they could come and.
Atkins: They could come to me and I come to you and I get all the credit.
Bailey: I, I, if they save money I don't care. Everybody can have the credit. I don't care. It wouldjust
be nice to see not all the lines going up.
Atkins: Because we'll certainly get (can't hear)
Champion: The other thing that I would love to see, it's a dream of mine.
Bailey: I have a dream.
Champion: To make, I have a dream, to make those parking ramps more beautiful.
Correia: Did you talk about that last year?
Atkins: Do you like the one across the street.
Champion: Yeah.
Atkins: Do you like the architecture?
Champion: I like all of them except for the old ones.
Correia: The old ones.
Bailey: The old ones.
Champion: Those are the ones I'm talking about.
Atkins: Do you mean spiff em up?
Champion: Yeah.
Bailey: Can we paint them? Wrap them?
Champion: Wrap them.
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Elliott:
Champion:
Wilburn:
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Could wrap them.
Could we mural them?
I think just new facing would
How does the one across the street differ from the one around the corner?
No, no, he
Parks better.
It does? It's a parking ramp. I mean, it's a parking ramp.
But it doesn't have to look that ugly.
It's a parking ramp.
The other ones don't look that ugly.
We just used 20 minutes.
Do we want to take another 10?
I have one tiny little capital project?
Do we want to take another 10, do people have more than 10 minutes of projects to throw up.
Oh, no, not 10 minutes.
No.
I'd like to increase Shelter House funding.
Along with that I'd like to look at increasing funding for programs like the Free-Medical Clinic.
He could play?
What?
He can play.
He can play.
You know, it's just my opinion, you know.
Say it again?
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Baeth: Free-Medical Clinic.
Correia: I'd like a budget for the Iowa, the Youth Advisory Commission.
Bailey: Oh, that's a good idea.
Correia: We're talking at our next meeting about what they want for the.
O'Donnell: Just a quickie, I'd like to see more funding for the 4th of July and I'd like to see more funding
for the Jazz Fest, we need, I mean, that's hugely successful.
Bailey: You want to increase from 50?
O'Donnell: I'd like to increase, and I'd like to see the 4th of July increased also.
Elliott: We did give it a substantial increase.
Champion: $50,000.00 over three years. 4h of July, they could use more money.
O'Donnell: I think it could use another one.
Vanderhoef: Austin?
Bailey: Little tiny capital project that we, that you and I have talked about, is College Street Trinity
Church, College between Gilbert and Linn, basically.
Vanderhoef: Well we've overspent our budget by at least 200%.
Bailey: I have a cost saving, I have two, I have a cost saving initiative and we're going to do animal
licensing. We'll bring in lots oflicenses.
Vanderhoef: Lots of money. We're going to put in wind energy and sell the, proceeds.
Champion: What's the
Elliot: What's the College Street thing?
Atkins: College Street near.
Bailey: The streetscape, there's a lot of erosion between the sidewalk and the street in front of Trinity
and then in front of that commercial building, the Clark Commercial Building. The tree roots
are exposed and there's just, just right down from our new library, it just doesn't look.
Elliott: I think. Oh, downtown. Downtown.
Bailey: Between Linn and Gilbert.
Atkins: Right in front of the church.
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Bailey:
It'sjust that short shaded block. It's a nice block.
Atkins:
One of the difficulties, I had staff do a rough sketch of how we might deal with it. The sidewalk
is here and the curb is here. So you've gotta find some way to transition down from the
sidewalk to the curb and make it more attractive. It's a mud hole now.
Bailey:
It's very messy. I mean, it's not just looks, Bob. It's efficiency.
Champion:
How about before we end, I have one more thing. How about we totally remodel the cute bus
station.
(laughter)
Bailey: Remember, $190,000.00 to shore it up. That's not even remodeling fees.
Vanderhoef: That's no cuteness, that's just string.
Bailey: That's just keeping it together.
Vanderhoef: We're going to keep that one on there until it's pushed over.
Atkins: It's time, Ross?
Bailey: That and duct tape.
Champion: All right. Yeah.
Atkins: We'll summarize these and get it back to you.
Champion: The Joint Communications Center - that should certainly be part of our budget.
Bailey: That should totally be.
O'Donnell: Yeah.
Vanderhoef: The obvious we're leaving out.
Bailey: We have left out a lot of obvious.
Champion: We have.
Elliott: And I'd like for us at some point to put priorities on these.
Champion: Oh, yeah. This is no priorities.
Wilburn: Thank you.
Motor Scooter Parkin!!
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Wilburn: Motor scooter parking.
Elliott: I like wliat Connie said last time. I, I would like to find a way of encouraging that form of
transportation.
Champion: I'm concerned about it. I read the memo about no driving on the street. Well they don't have to
drive on the street to park their scooters.
Correia: On the sidewalk.
Elliott: On the sidewalk.
Champion: Yeah. But if we had designated scooter parking, we wouldn't even have to have a rack. It could
just be painted off or something.
O'Donnell: Define a motor scooter. I don't know.
Champion: It's a motor-powered bicycle with fat wheels.
Vanderhoef: Under 50 cc.
Champion: We're giving these kids tickets and we should be encouraging them to drive these things.
Bailey: Ijust don't, I want to make sure that whatever we do we're not taking bike parking and so if we
want them on the sidewalk near bike racks, I think we should make scooter, right, because I
think we're just finally getting to have enough bike parking downtown.
Champion: It only would need, would be an area, like we have a bicycle, we wouldn't, you would just need
a pole and a pole and a pole.
Bailey: And say scooter parking.
Champion: And say scooter parking and they can park on both sides.
Correia: You know, one of those, right, one of those, when we were talking about the commercial park,
loading zones or whatever. Wasn't there some sense that some ofthose commercial loading
zones that we have on Iowa Avenue aren't being used that much for commercial? Could we
take?
Champion: We could rope off part of that somehow.
Correia: Rope off part of that for scooter parking.
Champion: But I think we should, they don't, I think we should allow them to park more easily than going
to a ramp, even though I know we provide free parking for them in the ramps.
Bailey: I do too.
Correia: I think that's a good option.
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Champion: Because they want to hop offthose bikes and run to their class. They're not going to drive into a
parking ramp.
Atkins: So the idea is find a spot for them, they'll have to be charged.
Champion: And let them park there.
Bailey: Find some.
Atkins: If we took a parking space and made it into a scooter.
Correia: I was thinking about trying the commercial loading zone.
Champion: Yeah, right, yeah. Call it scooter parking.
Vanderhoef: But we were thinking of trading that for parking if we took some parking spaces off around the
comer to make a loading zone.
Correia: Right. But we decided not to do that, I thought.
Bailey: See, I don't have any problem with them being, being on the sidewalk around the bike ramps.
Champion: I don't either.
Bailey: And I'd rather not take parking spots, because then I think it's going to make cars bitter. I think
if we had designated spots around bike racks. I don't know how feasible that is.
Champion: But maybe you could ask somebody to walk around and see what they can find, somebody who
knows what they're talking about, besides a dreamer. I just.
Atkins: We'll let Chris.
O'Donnell: So if you have a 50 you can park there, if you have a 90 you can't.
Champion: Right, that's right. Because that's a motorcycle. That's a motorcycle, you need to park in the
street.
Bailey: If you have a Harley you park in the street.
Elliott: Anything I've seen, clearly, there's a distinction between scooters and cycles.
Champion: They're very different.
O'Donnell: You know, it's a motorized vehicle. Ijust question ifit has any business on a sidewalk.
Vanderhoef: I agree. I don't think they
O'Donnell: What's the liability issue there?
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Elliott 1 think what we've said to Steve is can you find some ways to make the use of motor scooters
easier and make it easier to use and park and that sort of thing.
O'Donnell: I can see taking a parking spot in the street and making it for scooters, but not a motorized
vehicle. You know, we have enough complaints about bicycles on the streets, and if you get a
motorized vehicle.
Champion: But I tell you, these are not driving their bicycles down the, their scooters down the sidewalk. I
can tell you that.
O'Donnell: Oh, maybe some are.
Vanderhoef: 1 beg to differ. I've watched them do it.
Bailey: You've seen one. But I'm concerned about taking parking. We have plenty of complaints as
well for vehicles.
O'Donnell: We shouldn't have. We have 3500 parking spots within a block of downtown.
Bailey: We also have an obesity epidemic. Nobody walks.
Elliott: People just don't like ramps. I don't. Most people don't.
O'Donnell: What's that?
Elliott: We're gonna still complain. You know, there are plenty of ramp spaces. Most people just don't
like ramps and they're gonna complain.
Correia: I like the ramps. So I don't have to get a ticket.
Bailey: I hate ramps.
O'Donnell: So you can't do a skateboard downtown, which I agree with. You can't do a bicycle downtown,
which I also agree with, but you can do a scooter.
Bailey: You can do them downtown. You have to do them on a street.
Elliott: No.
Champion: No, no.
Correia: You can't have it on the sidewalk.
O'Donnell: How. How likely do you think that that's not gonna happen? That they're gonna drive the
scooter into the parking spot?
Correia: I do think there could be a risk.
Bailey: Yeab. I don't feel strongly, I just, I mean, I do have concern about taking parking for cars, but if
the majority wants to go with parking on the street, just find them a spot.
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Council Time
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That's convenient.
Ijust would like. All right. We'd like it to be easier for them to park their scooters. And not get
a ticket.
Yeah.
But not on the sidewalk. Sidewalk's for people.
Whatever. And bikes. Racks.
Dogs.
Do you have what you need on that, Steve?
My note to myself is easier scooter parking.
I am sorry I brought it up.
Closer, I think, too, to the.
Are we getting Council time?
Council time, yeah.
Good. When are we gonna be done with North Dodge?
There was a memo in here.
There was a memo.
Next spring.
Read the memo.
I didn't read the memo.
It's going as we speak.
Read the memo then call me. We'll talk about it - I'll fill you in.
Ok.
In the future.
And what's going in in front of the old Highlander Inn? The building that's going up?
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Don't know.
I was told it was a chiropractic center.
That's right.
You don't need to write it down. Ijust wondered.
You know, also, I had a discussion with Joe Fowler and we had that conversation about trucks
parking in the center of Dubuque Street, and I understand that that's substantially better than it
was.
It is better.
Good.
Although I watched somebody on Iowa Avenue for an entire - I was having lunch with
somebody and a truck was out there taking up 3 parking spots. Not in the parking spots but
blocking them for an entire lunch.
You know, and
So maybe they moved to Iowa City.
No, they are better, no.
I was thinking of something
It is better.
It's much better.
Oh yeah, I tell you, it's 100%, not a 100% better, but 60% better.
I talked to Joe about taking the east side of Dubuque Street between Iowa Avenue and
Washington, making that whole thing a loading zone. And I think the only parking spots you
eliminate are employee parking spots.
That's exactly. In front of those stores, that's only employees parking there.
But you have that whole side to be parking, it would be available at night for when they get
called down there for deliveries. It just seemed to make a great deal of sense if this doesn't
work. But I understand it's getting better.
It is better, it is definitely better.
I think it's terrific if we can alleviate a problem without making an ordinance or any of that
crap.
Doing anything, right.
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Anyone else Council time?
I do have Council time.
Go ahead Connie.
I, ah, don't laugh at me again, but seriously, I think the Press Citizen's idea of putting the 21
issue to a ballot was not a bad idea. Think about it. It takes us out, it takes it out of constant
Council elections, it becomes a major issue at every Council election. It becomes - let the
public decide.
They also said a threshold was that if they were suggesting that the public, or some interested
person in the public, the first threshold that they would have to meet would be to get enough
people to sign a petition to bring it forward. There are two steps to that.
They put the idea out there. We may see it.
Did you have a comment Eleanor?
Yeah. It's not something Council can do. It has to be an initiative by a citizen.
I like the fact that the group that had a press conference put out some suggestions, and I have
said all along, I'll be happy to consider 21 and over with an open mind, if it is considered
comprehensively with everything that the City and the University and others can and would do.
Right.
But the University, there was a huge gap with University in their suggestions.
Well, I think one of the things we're tired of is the University saying we have a big problem,
what are you going to do about it?
Well, I, I thought that was very much like that, but.
Exactly.
Well, what I wondered about is, for the next joint meeting, if this could be something on?
When is the next joint meeting? We keep talking about this.
Is it January?
I don't have it on my calendar.
January. We haven't decided it yet. The County is supposed to get, they've sort of tentatively
set a date, but they're floating out there. They have not committed - they've noted January lOth,
but they're waiting for input.
Right.
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Vanderhoef: (can't hear) the tickler on what we're putting onto these subjects?
Bailey: The joint?
Vanderhoef: Mmm hmm. Are you doing that, Mr. Mayor?
Wilburn: Nope.
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Correia:
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Well, if people are interested.
Well, for example, the ECCOG, the JCCOG meetings, I'm not, I'm the alternate, so.
Well I'll track that, but I don't track joint, because I don't.
Nobody really tracks joint, either. To get agenda items to you and then.
I've missed the last two joint.
I went to one. I had to leave early.
I guess I'mjust like wondering if we can make those meetings more productive, have an agenda
item that we're all interested in talking about cooperatively with the other jurisdictions.
Anybody interested in that?
In what? I'm sorry?
I was just wondering if at the next joint meeting, if we submitted an agenda item, of having a
joint meeting with our meeting and the alcohol awareness working group, and the University,
you know, having the University representative from the President's office or whoever.
Do you have a particular agenda, or do you just want to chat?
Just to start, just to really just hash it out. What are things that should be countywide.
Not a bad idea.
I've talked to a couple people from the Board of Supervisors, and they're interested in the
different government entities getting together, discussing the alcohol situation.
Well, since we already have ajoint meeting, I'd rather, that's why I'd rather just put it in a
meeting we already have then scheduling a different meeting to have something, you know.
Right.
Right. I'm with you.
Is tomorrow the day that our representatives meet with Mid American?
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Atkins: Today.
O'Donnell: The 16th, did I understand.
Bailey: Today we met.
Correia: We met today.
Vanderhoef: We met today.
O'Donnell: We met today? Ok. I really hope that you keep us abreast of what' s going on there. Because I
had a problem with that initially because I, you know, we're negotiating for the. I, I think we're
just exchanging ideas, but negotiating when you don't know what the Council, how it feels or
what points we feel are important and I, I hope you keep us well-informed of what' s going on.
Bailey: Well, if there are key points.
Wilburn: I think also you would open it up for any of us to get a hold of them with ideas too.
Champion: Sure.
O'Donnell: I'd like, I'd like something in writing we could read, what transpired in notes or something.
Helling: Oh, we can do that.
O'Donnell: Yeah. I mean, that's just me. Is everyone else as curious as I am?
Bailey: But then we're negotiating
Champion: Are they negotiating in public? They're not supposed to.
Bailey: Well then we're negotiating in an open meeting.
Helling: Well, you don't, I don't think you want the public invited.
Champion: No.
Vanderhoef: No.
Bailey: So I think it's better.
Correia: Can we do a confidential memo or not?
Champion: Could it be confidential?
Correia: No.
Elliott: I would like to know what the key points of negotiating are.
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O'Donnell: I would too. I mean, I'm just curious.
Wilburn: And, Regenia and Dee are part ofthat group and.
Bailey: I'm more than happy to have individual conversations with anyone of you at any time.
Vanderhoef: Right. Likewise.
Champion: That's good. That's the way to do it.
Wilburn: So I encourage you to follow-up with them so that we can continue negotiating without it being
a, points that mayor may not be up to agreement will be headline news. Causing confusion.
Bailey: Yeah. We don't want Press Citizen editorials premature, because yeah.
O'Donnell: Why not? We want a referendum on drinking?
Wilburn: Anyone else have Council time before I go?
Bailey: I have some, this might flow into the other thing. I was looking at some of the things we
discussed in our goals setting session in January, and one of the areas that I think we haven't
quite touched upon, and if there's interest we should develop a plan to do that, is this
engagement area. Educate and engage the public. We've done the youth, I mean, clearly we're
getting youth input, but there was some talk about sponsoring a board and commission info. fair
and developing a promotion campaign and just some more ways to engage the public. And I
would like to revisit that conversation, because I thought it was a really good one that there was
a lot of excitement about what we could do, and so I just put that out there.
Champion: Maybe that would be a good thing to tackle after the I"' of the year, after we're done with
budget, because I think that could be kind of fun.
Bailey: No, but, if we tackle, if we do another goal setting session, I would suggest that we also develop
a plan for when we're going to revisit the goals that we set. I mean, sort of implementation.
Champion: You are a hard one to deal with.
Bailey: That's what I do in my life. I keep people on track of their plan.
O'Donnell: What you're asking for is organization.
Bailey: And accountability.
O'Donnell: Doesn't seem right.
Bailey: Yeah. I know it's tough.
Wilburn: Did you have any other items, Regenia?
Bailey: No, sir.
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Wilburn: I have a few items here, one, to point out that everyone and the public are invited to the Camp
Cardinal ribbon tying, Camp Cardinal Road ribbon tying on Monday at 4pm on Camp Cardinal
at the point where the hill comes up.
Elliott: What's the best way to access that from? Coralville or?
Correia: Iowa City.
Bailey: You see a big ribbon, don't drive through it.
Elliott: Out by West High?
Wilburn: Well if you wanted to make it a real symbolic ribbon tying you would come from the Iowa City
side, but that's up to you.
Bailey: We expect you to do that if you attend.
Elliott: I don't want to be philosophical. I want to be pragmatic here.
Wilburn: Or you can ride your bike up.
Vanderhoef: From your house it's still better to go up Melrose.
Elliott: Up Melrose? Thank you.
Bailey: Take transit.
Wilburn: On November 16th is the employee luncheon and historically Council has served.
Correia: We serve the luncheon?
Wilburn: Served.
Bailey: I won't be able to be there this year. I'm sad.
Wilburn: We also have two work sessions set on the 30th and the 6th.
Champion: Mmm hmm.
Wilburn: With
Bailey: An agenda that you're gonna set?
Champion: Is this budget?
Wilburn: With something that we could decide if we want to talk about some of these things that came up
or if there's anything else that we want to follow-up, or revisit, remind ourselves of.
Suggestions like Regenia just put out, with the.
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Champion: That's not gonna be, I'm, that's not a regular budget work session, it's just a work session to
talk about what we're gonna talk about?
Karr: It was a work session to set aside.
Wilburn: We had set them for work session to be discussed items, a list of ongoing.
Atkins: It was just an open meeting.
Champion: Well maybe we could cancel that meeting.
Bailey: Housing, do we have other housing?
Wilburn: Or we could use them for the original intent, to discuss work session items that we hadn't gotten
to so that I don't get reminded that we didn't discuss something.
Vanderhoef: Items that were getting behind.
Bailey: Yeah. Well we still have, Farmers' Market was still on a list somewhere, and that has some
Elliott: I think we always need more work sessions.
O'Donnell: We extend that.
Vanderhoef: I'll bet we can
Correia: Is there something you said you were working on?
Bailey: Farmers' market. I said Farmers' Market.
Atkins: That's been referred to Parks and Recreation.
Bailey: Will it be back by then?
Atkins: I couldn't tell you that.
Karr: No, they don't meet again until November. I know that.
O'Donnell: On these two meetings we start at 6:30. We don't have an ending time. Should we not put an
ending time?
Elliott: 6:45.
O'Donnell: Ok.
Bailey: We don't have an agenda, I don't thing the ending time.
O'Donnell: But we should, we should set a time on there. I know we could run this into midnight and you
know, we need to plan and let staff plan how long we plan on being here.
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Elliott: No, Mike, because you will always be there and would not allow that to happen.
O'Donnell: Thank you.
Correia: This is just our first budget priority, I mean, I thought part of having an extra work session was
to continue our budget priority.
Vanderhoef: No.
Champion: It's hard to do until you have a budget. I thought, that's a little early, but I thought that's when
we were going to get the budget.
Wilburn: Let me try this a different way. We have two dates reserved that we can use or not use for
whatever we wish to use. Do we want to take up an item that we haven't addressed yet, or
Elliott: Yes.
Bailey: And what would you suggest putting on that agenda, Bob?
Wilburn: And what would you suggest that we?
Elliott: If, well, the Farmers' Market we have talked about. I think that's something productive and
wouldn't be costly and.
Bailey: That's coming from Parks and Rec. Remember, we sent it to them for recommendation. And
that won't be back. Can you find out?
Elliott: Well, the alcohol situation needs to be addressed.
Correia: Was Rick Fosse putting together a presentation on the public works?
Bailey: Yeah, we haven't done that.
Correia: Was that something?
O'Donnell: He is just absolutely fantastic in those presentations. I really enjoy his.
Bailey: Can we just get Rick to do something?
Atkins: Steve, is that somebody that
Champion: Could we just maybe not have the meeting?
Correia: But I thought you just said you were working on a presentation about something when we were
talking here and I can't remember what it was. What was it?
Vanderhoef: I'm sitting here.
Karr: Aviation Commerce Park.
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Correia: Oh, Commerce Park! Can we do Aviation Commerce Park, then?
Atkins: Could do that.
Bailey: Well, do we want to talk a little about some of our goals, or do you just not
Correia: I do.
Atkins: Yes. Can I make a suggestion?
Wilburn: Yes please.
Atkins: You have a meeting on the 30th, say go with the 30"' or the 6th, whichever one you would
choose, you could probably drop one of them. It would be a work session; Ross and I could get
together and put together a list of things that have been pending. Public work site, Aviation
Commerce Park South, and why don't I include a copy of your January goals statement, back
through those again, just take a look at what's going on.
Wilburn: Sure.
O'Donnell: That's a good idea.
Wilburn: Let's go with that.
Atkins: Just make it kind of real, a list of, to-do list that we haven't gotten to.
Wilburn: So go with the 30th and cancel the 16th.
Karr: 6th.
Vanderhoef: I'd rather go and check.
Elliott: Let's leave the 6th on and then we can always cancel on the 30th if we need to.
O'Donnell: Are we, I thought we were going to, are we gonna cancel the 30th or the 6th?
Wilburn: That's what I'm asking right now.
O'Donnell: Cancel the 30th and do the 6th.
Champion: Yeah. Let's do. I mean, I won't be here but, I'm gonna be out of town and.
Vanderhoef: Ifwe think we've got enough to fill both of them, we should keep.
Correia: You're gonna be out of town on the 30th.
Champion: I mean, I will try to get back, I will be back here in time, but Ijust do not try to get back here in
time.
O'Donnell: We're sitting here struggling trying to think of what we were talking about.
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Champion: I know. This is ridiculous.
Vanderhoef: Well we're waiting for some things to come in.
Bailey: Yeah. Things are coming in. I really thought.
Vanderhoef: The wind thing (can't hear)
Correia: Wind thing?
Atkins: I don't know the answer to those things.
Elliott: To me it would make sense to meet on the 30th and at that time determine whether or not we
would want to meet on the 6th.
Vanderhoef: I agree.
Champion: Whatever you guys decide is fine.
Bailey: I don't care.
O'Donnell: Oh fine Bob.
Champion: You have to have your own way.
Wilburn: Meeting on the 30th.
Atkins: The meeting on the 30th, Ross, I will put the agenda together.
O'Donnell: So then we're going to meet on the 30th to decide if we're going to meet on the 6th.
Champion: Yeah.
Elliott: Yes.
O'Donnell: Perfect sense.
Correia: How many people are planning to go to the November 14th Housing Summit?
Bailey: I cannot.
Champion: I'm going to try to go.
Vanderhoef: I would like to go.
O'Donnell: November 14th what?
Elliott: Housing Summit.
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Correia: Ok. So we're not close to 4.
Wilburn: There are 4 right now.
Champion: We are 4.
Dilkes: As long as there are 4.
Champion: Well, you just can't participate. You can still go.
Correia: Well Steve can come.
Atkins: I'm going to be out, I'm on the panel.
Karr: No, Connie is.
Correia: Connie said yes? I thought she said no.
Vanderhoef: Connie said yes.
Elliott: Connie, Dee, Bob.
O'Donnell: Since there's 4 of them I'm not going cause 1.
Bailey: I have to work that day.
Elliott: Breaks your heart, doesn't it Mike?
O'Donnell: Go home and watch the Cardinals.
Champion: They're already beat.
Elliott: If they're losing by now, you guys have had it.
Correia: So what does that mean?
Vanderhoef: The 14th.
Bailey: Say it again.
Dilkes: Do we have 3 or 4?
Wilburn: There are 4.
Correia: 4.
Champion: We have 4 that want to go. But if I don't participate, can Ijust go?
Dilkes: If all 4 of you want to go and just sit and not participate, then you
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It's not an open discussion type thing, is it?
Well, what I think is is that the beginning part is like an open discussion, the open part, there's a
keynote speaker and then there's breakout sessions where we could be dispersed so that when
there's talking going on we're not in the same small group.
Yes.
Is it going to be televised, Amy, do you know?
I think they're going to tape the keynote speaker and then, and then there's a
I may have to leave after the keynote speaker.
So is that all right?
Yeah, Amy, as long as there aren't 4 of you participating in the same discussion.
So in other words if they come back to a large group session and there's mass discussion.
We can't talk.
She can't talk.
Ok. Is that ok?
It would be like that unusual AARP thing where we.
Right, right.
Small groups and we didn't discuss.
Actually, I had an article I wanted to share with everybody, just to sort of reiterate the
timeliness of having a successful aging forum and meeting. This came from the Nation City
Weekly, from October 2nd, "To Prepare for an Aging Population," so we're on the right track.
I'm prepared for it.
Let me ask one question while I have everybody here. You remember the, do you remember the
letter in the paper, was it a Council memo, somebody was talking about specifically, housing for
disabled seniors. Do you remember the letter we got in the packet or the?
A letter about wanting it?
A letter about the need for housing for disabled seniors, coming here for long term possible
stays or so forth. I know I read that letter somewhere.
Maybe it was to you individually.
No, no it was. Do you remember it? Do you remember who wrote it?
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(laughter)
Bailey:
That is demanding a level of attention to detail.
O'Donnell:
I have found somebody that will donate land, so I think it's pretty important who did that.
Champion:
You just need to let somebody know. The right people.
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