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REG~LAR COUNCIL MEETING - MARCH 1, 1994
7:30 P.M. .
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ITEM NO.1- CALL TO ORDER.
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ITEM NO.2- MAYOR'S PRO CLAM A TIONS .
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C) Youth Art Month - March 1994.
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1) ~. Professional Social Work Month - March 1994. ~
[PI) ~ American Red Cross Month - March 1994. UuJ
A) ~. Fine Art and Fun Days - March 4-6, 1994. ~
ITEM NO.3- CONSIDER,ADOPTION OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS PRESENTED OR
AMENDED.
a. Consider approval of Official Council actions of the regular meeting of
February 15, 1994, as published, subject to corrections, as recommend-
ed by the City Clerk.
b. Minutes of Boards and Commissions.
(1) Airport Commission meeting of January 18, 1994.
(2) Planning and Zoning Commission meeting of February 17, 1994.
(3) Design Review Committee meeting of February 22, 1994.
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c. Permit Motions as Recommended by the City Clerk.
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(1) Consider a motion approving a Class "C" Liquor License for Elks
Lodge B.p.a.E. #590 dba Elks Lodge B.p.a.E. #590, 637 Foster
Rd. (Renewal)
(2) Consider a motion approving a Class "E" Beer Permit for QuikTrip
Corp., dba QuikTrip #509, 323 E. Burlington St. (Renewal)
(3) Consider a motion approving a Class "B" Beer Permit for Carolyn
Barrientes dba La Perlita Mexican Cafe, 327 E. Market Street.
(Renewal)
(4) Consider a motion approving a Class "C" Beer Permit for Deli Mart
Corp., dba Deli Mart #2, 1920 Lower Muscatine Rd. (Renewal)
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(5) Consider a motion approving a Class "c" Beer Permit for Krause
Gentle Corp., dba Kum & Go #104, 1104 S. Gilbert St. (Renewal)
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Horow/ (#2) We have four proclamations this evening.
DVIP - Seventh Annual Fine Art and Fun Auction
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Sue Chase/ Thank you very much. Some of you are going to be
volunteering for the event. So we will see you there. I hope
everybody comes. Everybody is very familiar with the project
at this point. We have been around for a long time. We serve
men, women, and children who are victims of violence. I hope
you can all come and join us and thank you very much.
Horow/ American Red Cross - March 1994
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Betsy Tatro/ I would like to thank everyone. Traditionally March
has been Red Cross Month. It was started in 1940's by
President Roosevelt as a way to recognize the Red Cross and
remind people of the services that we provide throughout the
year. We hope this year it will bring further attention,
particularly in the Iowa city and Johnson County area because
of the flooding last summer. And hopefully not flooding this
summer. One of our March events that we are holding is March
17-20, the Iowa Disaster Institute will be held here in Iowa
City at the IMU and on Thursday, 7:00 PM, on the 17th we will
be holding a community forum for public disaster education and
invite anyone from the public to attend this event and hear
more about disaster education and planning particularly for
flooding for the future if that should happen. Thank you.
Horow/ There are two other proclamations.
Youth Art Month - March 1994
Professional Social Work Month - March 1994
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Agenda
Iowa City City Council
Regular Council Meeting
March 1, 1994
Page 2
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d. Resolutions.
(1) CONSIDER RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE WORK FOR THE SANI-
TARY SEWER AND WATER MAIN IMPROVEMENTS FOR COURT
HILL CONDOMINIUMS.
Comment: See Engineer's Report.
(2) CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO SIGN
AND THE CITY CLERK TO ATTEST THE RELEASE OF A LIEN FOR
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 524 RONALDS STREET, IOWA CITY,
IOWA.
Comment: Youth Homes, Inc. executed a real estate mortgage
and promissory note to the City of Iowa City in the amount of
$12,500 in exchange for a no-interest loan. Youth Homes has
purchased property located on Waterfront Drive for a new facility
and wishes to sell the Ronalds Street property . Youth Homes has
executed a new mortgage and promissory note transferring the
balance of this mortgage to the Waterfront Drive property and the
City can now release its lien on 524 Ronalds Street.
(3) CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO SIGN
AND THE CITY CLERK TO ATTESTTHE RELEASE OF A LIEN FOR
PROPERTYLOCATED AT 402 SOUTH LINN STREET, IOWA CITY,
IOWA.
Comment: Youth Homes, Inc. executed a real estate mortgage
and promissory note to the City of Iowa City in the amount of
$37,500 in exchange for a no-interest loan. Youth Homes has
purchased property located on Waterfront Drive for a new facility
and wishes to sell the South Linn Street property. Youth Homes
has executed a new mortgage and promissory note transferring
the balance of this mortgage to the Waterfront Drive property and
the City can now release its lien on 402 South Linn Street.
e. Correspondence.
(1) Letter from the Iowa City/Johnson County Arts Council express-
ing support for the proposed Cultural and Convention Center.
(2) Letter from Evelyn Krall expressing opposition for the proposed
cultural center and also expressing concern about the cost of a
new water treatment plant.
(31 Letter from Paul A. Thompson regarding parking on Third Avenue
north of Court Street.
(4) Letter from MMS Consultants, Inc., regarding contribution to the
Iowa River Corridor plan.
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Regular Council Meeting
March 1, 1994
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Letter from Daryl Woods anctuary Restaurant, and Gary
Fitzpatrick' rick's Brewing Co., regarding the proposed
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Letter from Judy Pfohl ofthe Ty'n Cae Neighborhood Association,
regarding the need for a traffic Light at Highway 1 and Mormon
Trek.
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(7) Letter from lOOT regarding an 1-80 resurfacing project.
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f. Applications for use of streets and public grounds.
(1) Application from Riverfest Commission for permission to have the
River Run on April 24, 1994. (approved)
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ITEM NO. 4 - PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
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ITEM NO. 5 - PLANNING AND ZONING MATTERS.
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Consider setting a public hearing for March 29, 1994, on an ordinance
amending the Zoning Ordinance by establishing the Brown Street Histor-
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Comment: At its January 25, 1994, meeting, the Historic Preservation
Commission, by a vote of 5-0, Russell and Irelan abstaining, recom-
mended approval of the proposed Brown Street Historic District. At its
meeting of February 17, 1994, the Planning and Zoning Commission, by
a 5-0 vote, recommended approval of the proposed Brown Street Histor-
ic District. Staff concurs with the recommendations of both Commis-
sions.
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Horow/ (#4) Public Discussion.
Randy Neprash/Would I be correct in thinking the Water Treatment
Plan is not on the agenda this evening.
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Horow/ Go right ahead.
Neprash/ I live at 426 Grant street. I have left with you a copy
of some questions to ask you to consider. Also to pass on to
city staff and to the consulting engineer. In this case they
are relatively straight forward. Not nearly as complicated as
some of the others on this matter. First is that one of the
reasons cited for moving the site of the Water Treatment Plant
north of I-B-, upstream of I-BO, was to avoid problems because
of contamination due to accidental spills on I-BO. There are
some questions that area raised in this concern. One is the
intake, as proposed, is located very close to I-80. In the
study it is actually located right next to the bridge
abutment. The engineer has since spoken about possibly moving
it up stream by a few hundred feet. The question therefore is
how far is safe enough above I-BO. Even if the intake is
moved up stream from I-80, it is still locate din the dam pool
created by the Iowa River Power Company dam. That dam pool
lies under I-BO. So the question becomes how quickly would a
spill in that dam pool clear and how would that vary depending
on the rate of flow on the river in different times of the
year. The third question and this comes up because I saw a
car this morning head over the embankment exactly in this area
on my way TO work this morning. I have seen a number of
accidents in this area just this winter. The north side of I-
80, just east of the Iowa River, exactly where the intake is
located, exactly where the treatment plant is located. It
would be worth looking into the frequency of accidents in this
particular location and to make that a factor in considering
whether that is a good location for the plant. The second
question concerning location of the plant has to do with the
proximity of the intake to two large quarries. Especially the
fat the intake is located immediately downstream of both of
these quarries. There is a sand and gravel pit on the same
side of the river as the treatment plant. On the other side
of the river is a very large lime stone quarry. There are a
number of questions here. One is do either of these quarries
pump water from their sites into the river. And if so, are
there constituents in this water that is being pumped into the
river that we should be concerned about. Another is storm
water run off on sites where land is exposed and is not
vegetated. Are there controls in place. How much is known
about the quantity and quality of the storm water run off.
The last question is more fundamental. What is the difference
in the water quality n the river immediately up stream and
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immediately down stream of these quarry sites and how does
that water quality vary in the even t of a significant
rainstorm. So I would ask you to consider these and that you
pass them on to the appropriate people.
Horow/ Thank you very much. Is there anyone else who would like to
address council.
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City of Iowa City
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RE: Addition/Deletion from Consent Calendar
Additions:
3e(B) Letter from Mona Shaw regarding City Health Care Benefits to same-sex
couples. '
3e(9) Letter from Brian Witzke regarding new water treatment plant.
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Deletions:
3e(5) Letter from Daryl Woodson &,Gary Fitzpatrick regarding the proposed
Urban Revitalization District deleted from Consent Calendar and
added to item #9.
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March 1, 1994
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b. Consider setting a public hearing for March 29, 1994, on an ordinance
amending the Zoning Ordinance by amending the Conditional Zoning
Agreement for Wild Prairie Estates, a 71.05 acre property located north
of Rohret Road. (REZ94-0003)
Comment: At its February 17, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning
Commission, by a vote of 5-0, recommended approval of the proposed
amendments to this Conditional Zoning Agreement. The Commission's
recommendation is consistent with the staff recommendation.
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Public hearing on an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance to revise
Section 36-20.5/ Central Business Support (CB-5) Zone requirements.
Comment: At its February 17, 1994, meeting, the Planning & Zoning
Commission, by a vote of 5-0/ recommended approval of amendments
to the CB-5 Zone. The Commission's recommendation is consistent
with the staff recommendation contained in a staff memorandum dated
February 17, 1994.
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d. Public hearing on an ordinance repealing the vacation of the southern 97
feet of the north-south alley in Block 102 bounded by Clinton, Burling-
ton, Dubuque and Court streets. (V AC94-0002)
Comment: At its February 3, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning
Commission, by a vote of 6-0, recommended approval of the rescission
of the vacation. The Commission's recommendation is consistent with
the staff recommendation contained in the staff report dated February
3, 1994.
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e. Consider an ordinance vacating the northern 212 feet of the alley locat-
ed between Burlington and Court streets, west of Dubuque Street (Block
102). (V AC93-0005) (First consideration)
Comment: Council received a letter dated February 9/ 1994, in its last
packet requesting that this vacation application be withdrawn. No
further action is required of Council.
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f. Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance by changing the
use regulations for a 12.5 acre tract of land located west of Sycamore
Street and south of Burns Avenue from ID-RS to RS-5. (REZ93-0014)
(First consideration)
Comment: At its January 20, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning
Commission, by a vote of 7-0, recommended approval ofthe requested
rezoning, subject to conditions. The Commission's recommendation is
consistent with the staff recommendation contained in the staff report
dated January 6, 1994. No comments were received at the February
15, 1994, public hearing on this item.
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g. Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance by conditionally
changing the use regulations of an approximate 422 acre tract of land
located south of Highway 6 and south of the southern corporate limits
from County RS, Suburban Residential to RS-8, Medium Density Single-
Family residential (62 acres); RM-12 Low Density Multi-Family Residen-
tial (10 acres); RM-20, Medium Density Multi-Family Residential (15
acres); RFBH Factory Built Housing Residential (84 acres); RR-1, Rural
Residential (191 acres); and ID-RM Interim Development Multi-Family
Residential (59 acres). (REZ92-0015) (Second consideration)
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Comment: At its November 4, 1993, meeting, by a vote of 6-0, the
Planning & Zoning Commission recommended approval of a proposal to
rezone the Sycamore Farms area as noted above, subject to conditions
related to environmental concerns, neighborhood open space, an ele-
mentary school site and infrastructure responsibility. The Commission's
recommendation is generally consistent with that of the staff.
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Consider amendments to Zoning Ordinance Sections 36-58, Off-Street
Parking Requirements; 36-60, Sign Regulations, and 36-9, RFBH, Facto-
ry Built Housing Residential zone, to allow certain commercial uses as
provisional uses in the RFBH zone, and to replace the incorrect referenc-
es to the RMH zone with RFBH. (Second consideration)
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Comment: At its November 4, 1993, meeting, the Planning and Zoning
Commission, by a vote of 6-0, recommended approval of the Zoning
Ordinance amendments cited above. The Commission's recommenda-
tion is consistent with the staff recommendations contained in staff
memoranda dated February 4, 1993, and April 15, 1993.
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Horow/ (#5f) Moved by Baker, seconded by Nov. Discussion.
We asked last evening about those aspects that were
outstanding and we determined that there were hydric soils.
There were no wetlands but it still needs the Corps
determination of jurisdictional wetlands. Is that right.
Have we received that confirmation. Alright.
Roll call- First consideration passes.
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Horowj (#5g) Moved by Kubby, seconded by Throg. Discussion.
Kubbyj When we discussed the natural areas inventory more I would
like us to add to that discussion some zoning designation that
is to public but is a natural areas designation so that we
d6n't have to resort to this rural residential which is the
least intensive use in the city. That we think about that as
we protect natural areas there might be more of these as more
land is annexed into the city or as land is rezoned that is
now interim development.
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Throgj Sounds like a qood idea to me.
Horowj Something to think about. This-remember, as we were told
last night, this ,has-will not be able to be finally adopted
until April 26. It still has to go to the city Development
Board because it is adjacent to that little section of Hills
that goes from Hills all the way up to the Hills bank. We
will be voting on this this evening but we won't be able to
pass and adopt until April 26.
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Regular Council Meeting
March 1, 1994
Page 6
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ITEM NO.6-
PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 1995 OPERATING
BUDGET, FISCAL YEARS 1995 THRU 1997 THREE.YEAR FINANCIAL PLAN
AND THE SEVEN YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM.
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Comment: City Council has reviewed the Fiscal Year (FY) 1995 Operating
Budget, the FY1995 through 1997 three-year Financial Plan and the seven-
year Capital Improvements Program. This is the first of two public hearings
being held to receive public input on the proposed budget, the second public
hearing and budget adoption will be held on March 8, 1994. An increase in
taxes by the amount of the percent change in the price index for state and
local government purchases requires the city budget to be published twice
and the City Council to hold two public hearings. The reason why the City
is using the inflation factor is due to the continuation of the property tax
restrictions in FY95 and the need to minimize use of cash reserves.
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ITEM NO.7. PUBLIC HEARING ON PLANS, SPECIFICATIONS, FORM OF CONTRACT AND
ESTIMATE OF COST FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE RIVERSIDE DRIVE RIVER
TRAIL PROJECT.
Comment: This project consists of construction of a 6-foot wide sidewalk on
the east side of Riverside Drive between Iowa Avenue and Burlington Street
for the purpose of providing pedestrian access at that location. Estimated
cost of the project is $35,750.00.
Action:
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CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING PLANS, SPECIFICATIONS, FORM
OF CONTRACT AND ESTIMATE OF COST FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE
RIVERSIDE DRIVE RIVER TRAIL PROJECT , ESTABLISHING AMOUNT OF BID
SECURITY TO ACCOMPANY EACH BID, DIRECTING CITY CLERK TO PUB.
L1SH ADVERTISEMENT FOR BIDS AND FIXING TIME AND PLACE FOR RE.
CEIPT OF BIDS AT 10:30 A.M. MARCH 22. 1994.
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Horow/ (#6) Public hearing is open. We urge you to address council
on this.
Sue Dulek/ I am the Vice President of the Neighborhood Centers of
Johnson County Board of Directors. As you are know, you are
very familiar with the Neighborhood Centers. They have been
around for 20 years working with children of Iowa city.
Currently we have a facility at Pheasant Ridge as well as one
on Broadway Street. The programs are many. They include
tutoring, family literacy, after school programming for
children ages first grade through twelfth, coop day care and
so on and so forth. These program supported by the City,
united way of Johnson county and other are very important to
these children. But what is crucial to these children is
their safety and their safety is threatened by gangs , members
of gangs that are in these' neighborhoods. I am not an
alarmist. We all know that this is not L.A. This is not New
York city. But none the less the iowa city police Department
has identified known gang members living in these
neighborhoods. Therefore the Board members as well as staff
and residents are here tonight to urge council to financially
support the concept of community policing. I know the budgets
are tight. Admittedly the issues of gangs and violence in
Iowa city is not the responsibility of the neighborhood
centers. It is not the responsibility of the Police
department. It is the responsibility of the entire community
of Iowa city, that community in which you represent. We all
know that the Chief and his proposal suggested three
additional police officers for the city of Iowa city. city
Administrators office suggested no increase at all. I want to
call your attention to some statistics, the comparison of
police officers, sworn officers, in comparable cities. Iowa
city has 59 officers. That is a ratio of .94. That is less
than one per 1,000 population. Des Moines, 1.16. Cedar
Rapids, 1.58. Davenport, 1.51. sioux city, 1.39. Waterloo,
1.74. Dubuque, 1.34. Council Bluffs, 1.63, etc. cities in
Iowa all have a higher ratio of officers per 1,000 population.
We urge you to increase the police officers in Iowa City, to
support financially the concept of community policing. I
appreciate your time and attention to this matter. There are
other members here tonight that will be more than happy to
answer some questions as well as two residents who live in the
neighborhood, whose children live in the neighborhood, who can
tell you what it is like to have officers in the neighborhood
and the difference that it makes in their lives and their
children's lives. At this time, before I turn it over to the
residents I want to introduce three other members of the Board
who are here this evening: Karen Franklin, Harry Wolf and joan
Van DeBerg, the Executive Director, is here. Then I am going
to turn it over to two residents who will address you: Leona
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Burnett and Liz Hudson. Thank you for your time.
Leona Burnett/ I have lived at the neighborhood for seven years and
for the past couple of years since the apartments across the
street have been built we have had large number of gangs and
a lot of people gathering around selling drugs. It is very
noticeable. You can see it. There is paraphernalia being
found in our yards, in the apartments, and across the street.
Dirty syringes, marijuana the children are finding and summer
time is coming. We are just concerned that it is just going
to get worse. When the police officers were here the year
before last in the summer walking around you could see a great
difference in the action that was going on. Just the presence
of the policemen walking around and talking with the children.
Nmv that stopped last summer and it is just really gotten
worse and we really need help with the officers being out
there. And the response time whenever there is a problem it
just seems to take forever for the police to even get there
and by then the people are gone. So, we really are not
getting anywhere. Thank you.
Liz Hudson/ I also want to state-I live in the Broadway Public
Housing on Broadway Street and I know that it not only takes
the police to protect the community but it also takes support
and teamwork of the community and neighbors as well and when
the police officers do their foot patrol in the neighborhood
a couple of summers ago, it made me not only feel really
secure but it also made me want to be more supportive and
grateful that they were foot patrolling and seeing what was
going on in our neighborhoods and the teens and the children
and the adults were aware that they were going to be there and
so we felt more comfortable on watching what was going on in
our neighborhood as well as being able to walk out of our
doors and when they were there we could visit with them and
ask questions-questions that we probably would have never been
able to ask over the phone or as they drive by in their cars
and even, I have two young children, they are now four and
five and if I go outside ~lith them and a police officer wal](s
by it is the biggest thing. Before they would be outside
seeing people drink beer. You could smell the marijuana or
people fighting and when the officers were in our area none of
that r.eally happened because they knew that someone was going
to be around and they also knew that we weren't going to put
up with it and that we were going to take action or call or
let them know when they came by. So, I also feel that a lot
of the petty crimes has ceased due to the pressure brought in
by the view of the officers in our neighborhood and because of
the neighbors feeling more comfortable being supportive and
calling in.
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KubbYI An $80 million budget and we have so few people to comment.
Novl We did get good people who gave us good comments.
Throgl We have another p.h.
GentrYI You have another one next Tuesday.
Novl So do we close this one and reopen.
Horowl I am closing the p.h. Hope that we will see more people
down here next week. This is a big budget. We do have a tax
freeze. Things are tight but we are doing the best. If you
have got any other suggestions we want to hear.
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taxes are going to go down. I think that even though we say
tax freeze, one of the effects of that is that your rate of
taxation is actually going to go down and that we should use
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Atkinsl I will take care of that.
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Agenda
Iowa City City Council
Regular Council Meeting
March 1, 1994
Page 7
ITEM NO.9- PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSED NEAR SOUTHSIDE COMMERCIAL UR-
BAN REVITALIZATION PLAN FOR A PROPOSED URBAN REVITALIZATION
AREA IN THE CITY OF IOWA CITY, IOWA
Comment: The City Council has received a request from Hieronymi Partners
to grant property tax exemption under Iowa Code Chapter 404 for a project
located in the Near Southside Neighborhood. The proposed urban revitaliza-
tion area includes the area zoned Central Business Support Zone, CB-5,
located between Burlington and Court Streets. Designating this area an urban
revitalization area would grant property tax exemption to qualified improve-
ments as designated in the proposed plan, The public hearing ~s ~e contin-
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ITEM NO.10 - CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE DESIGNATING AN AREA OFTHE CITY OF IOWA
CITY, IOWA, AS AN URBAN REVITALIZATION AREA WHICH SHALL BE
KNOWN AS THE NEAR SOUTHSIDE COMMERCIAL URBAN REVITALIZATION
AREA. (First consideration)
Comment: See previous item. Comments were received on this item at the
Council's February 15, 1994, hearing on this item.
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ITEM NO. 11 - ANNOUNCEMENT OF VACANCIE6.
a. Previously Announced Vacancies.
(1) Animal Control Advisory Board - One vacancy for a three-year
term ending May 4, 1997. (Paul Cooper's term ends.)
(2) Housing Commission. Two vacancies for three-year terms ending
May 1, 1997. (Terms of Paul Egli and Charles Eastham end.)
These appointments will be made at the March 8, 1994, meeting of the
City Council.
(3) Design Review Committee - One vacancy for an unexpired term
ending July 1, 1995. (Gordana Pavlovic resigned.) This appoint-
ment will be made at the March 29, 1994, meeting of the City
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Horow/ (#9) Declare the p.h. open. I would like Ms. Gentry to make
a few comments first before we have public hearing.
Gentry/There has been a fair amount of confusion about this
revitalization plan and how this whole process trudges down
the track of legalities according to state law. It is a very
confusing process and let us face it, we are not all experts
in urban revitalization. There were a number of questions
that were posed to me last night and so I started looking at
the statute more closely. I talked to my assistant, Marsha
Borman. We called our bond counsel, Bill Noth in Des Moines,
and ran through a number of things and it has become clear to
me at this juncture that unless the council is willing to vote
on the proposed plan as it was presented to you originally and
as was given notice to the property owners. If you want to
amend the plan then we have to start over. It is time for a
time out. Because the notice that is given to the property
owners is a legal notice and must be satisfactory and I do not
want it to be defective in any way. Good preventive
lawyering. So, our apologies to everyone for whatever time we
have spent progressing this far. It has been an educational
process for all of us.
Throg/ I don't completely understand of course. If we propose an
ordinance-if we propose a plan and then hold p.h.s on one, are
we not suppose to listen to what the public says and modify
the plan in some fashion if we deem it appropriate to do that.
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that. That after the hearing is held that there may well be
some amendments after the hearing.
Kubby/ But the process and the law says to start over because of
those amendments.
Gentry/ Well, in all fairness to the people who own a property
which will be burdened and benefitted, and since you have had
so much difficulty in deciding, what you want to impose on this
land, it would seem to me that we ought to have a better grasp
of the Plan before we send notice to the property owners has
to what we are going to do or let them do or not let them do.
Kubby/ But the changes we made, except for one, have not been very
substantive.
Gentry/ I disagree. I think the design review is a major
substantive change and Bill Noth, the attorney in Des Moines,
agrees with me. Also the whole question of residential vs.
commercial is a very critical question that needs to be
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what this plan provides for, the ordinance or the property
owners.
Kubby/ So, is it proper for us to go ahead and to make a
determination about the district.
Gentry/ No. The district is contained geographically within the
Plan. You cannot divorce them. You can expand it but then-it
is time to start over.
Nov/ If we amend the Plan, today for example, do we then start over
and set a new p.h.
Gentry/ You should, yes.
Nov/ And what time line are we talking about. Do we set it tonight
for two weeks from now.
Gentry/ No.
Nov / Next wee]{.
Gentry/ You have to have a finite plan in front of you and then you
send notice at least 30 days prior to your hearing to all
property owners by publication and mail. I mean you have to
give the property owners due process. And they have to have
some clue as to what you are going to be providing them and
taking from them.
Nov/ Okay. My thought on this which may be something else. Is
that we could put our amended plan in the works and then there
was a 30 day period in which anybody could ask for another
p.h. based on what we had amended.
Gentry/ Right. And they could object to it, yes.
Nov/ I am trying to say that if we amend it tonight can we just let
the appeal process take care of the-
Gentry/ I don't recommend that. I don't want to be bothered by the
possibly defective notice. I don't think it is worth it.
Horow/ As I hear you saying, we essentially should takes items 9 &
10 and begin again.
Gentry/ Unless you are ready to go as proposed by the staff.
Pigott/ You mean to say we should not have-allow a hearing tonight
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Gentry/ On the proposed plan without the DR considerations.
without the clarification about residential.
Throg/ I would suggest that it is still appropriate for us to hold
a p.h. It would be very beneficial in terms of getting advice
and suggestions about how to modify the Plan.
Horow/ All right. As long as we understand and the citizens
understand that this p.h. would be on the general concept but
that the structure of the plan itself would have to receive-
Gentry/ The plan as proposed to you that you received in December
is basically what you are looking at.
Nov/ Except that we changed it.
Horow/ We changed it a couple of times.
Gentry/ Well, that is the problem.
Throg/ What you are telling us is that the comment is presumably
directed towards the plan as originally proposed by staff and
that is what we are listening to and we can incorporate those
comments into our any revisions that we want to make in a plan
and resubmit that to public hearing. Any kind of revised plan
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Pigott/ So holding a p.h. or allowing the public to comment tonight
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Horow/ It wouldn't be detrimental. But as long as they understand
it is not one with the design review and the residential
aspects of that. Correct.
Nov/ We do plan to at least the fact that we talked about limiting
residential. I think it ought to be out in the open.
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Throg/ Sure.
Kubby/ The next question I have is that if there would have been a
majority of council voting against the district tonight which
would have made the Plan a moot point.
Gentry/ You can still vote.
Kubby/ Does not voting on the district and kind of starting over
obligate us to continue discussions about this. I mean if
there is not a majority on council who does not want to go
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issues or residential/commercial ratio issues.
Gentry/ You are saying if-
Kubby/ Can council not deal with this is there aren't a majority
who wants to go forward with a new plan. Seems like if there
aren't four people it seems like a waste of city attorney time
and staff time and the pUblic's time.
Horow/ Well, but we have not made that determination yet.
KUbby/ No, I am asking a process question that what do we-by having
the public hearing and I guess we would be closing it. What
are we obligated to. Where is our starting over point.
Gentry/ It could be tonight. You could start over tonight and what
ever you do does not preclude you from coming back with a
different plan, expanding the district, rewriting the entire
eligibility qualifications.
Horow/ Can we continue the p.h. to next week. Is that possible.
Gentry/Well, unless you are ready to vote on the original plan.
Baker/ continuing the p.h. on the Plan as proposed doesn't seem to
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Baker/ And Linda, the only thing we can do tonight as far as a vote
goes is vote this plan up or down.
Gentry/ Up or down, yes, and you may have some indication about
where you want to go from there from the nose count.
Nov/ But we are not voting on this plan. We are voting on the,
district.
Gentry/ No, you are voting on the plan.
Kubby/ No, the vote tonight is on the district.
Horow/ The p.h. tonight is on the Plan but there is no item to take
a vote on the Plan.
Nov/ What we were told yesterday is that we have to have three
considerations on the area because it is an ordinance and then
after that one resolution for the Plan.
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Throg/ That is what we were told.
Lehman/ Can we vote on #10 tonight designating a district and not
the Plan.
Gentry/ Not until you pass a plan.
Nov/ You have to close the p.h. on the Plan before you can set the
district.
Kubby/Even if we wanted this plan we couldn't vote on the district
tonight.
Gentry/That is correct. And I apologize for any confusion, Larry,
that I gave you last night.
Horow/ So in other words, the structure is if we vote this down,
the original plan could be brought-if we vote item #9 down,
which is the Plan that we have looked at.
Throg/ There is no vote on it tonight.
Horow/ If we close the p.h. on this, there is no more discussion
about this. At what point do we then bring up the plan that
we had when we originally started.
Gentry/ I would suggest after a work session.
Throg/ So let's do a p.h.
Horow/ All right. Why not. Public hearing is open.
Lehman/ May I respectively request that people who address this
issue address the issue that the property and not the proposed
plans for that property or individuals who are going to
develop on that property. But whether or not this area does
qualify for the zone. To me that is the question. Is that
not correct.
Horow/ That is the question.
Kubby/That is a request the public mayor may not accommodate you
on.
wilfrieda Hieronymous/ 3322 Muscatine Avenue. If I understand what
has just been said, you can vote on the Plan as presented
without amendments. Is that correct.
Gentry/ That is correct.
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Hieronymousj Everybody understands that. without amendments you can
vote on the plan that was presented by the staff.
Throgj But we can't do it today.
Gentryj Unfortunately it is not on the agenda.
Horowj Just the p.h. is on the agenda.
Hieronymousj Excuse me. You can hold the p.h. and set a time for
the vote.
CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 94-43 SIDE 2
Hieronymousj So that means it does not have any restriction on
housing at the present moment. It does not have a design
review at the present moment. That is it, isn't it.
Throgj I believe so.
Hieronymousj Now then, if you go ahead and vote yes on this and
accept the plan as presented by the staff we can proceed with
the plan. We can proceed with the urban revitalization. In
other words, nothing has changed. The only thing you are
being asked to do is not amend the plan. Is that correct.
Gentryj Yes.
Hieronymousj That you don't have a DR Committee and I am not going
to mention a special project but some of these projects have
their own design people that are supposedly very competent.
You don't do anything about housing and some of the plans
being presented will have housing. So you go ahead and you
allow activity in this zone. You can then go ahead and
introduce restrictions against the residential in the area.
You can then put in a design review which I would admit
probably wouldn't affect the proposed project.
Gentryj Yes and that can be done after the second hearing even if
that is triggered. Yes.
Horowj But that vote would not necessarily take place this evening.
Gentry j Unfortunately the resolution is not on the agenda. It
should have been but it isn't. Things happen.
Horowj So the p.h. will take place on this.
Hieronymousj I just want to be clear to the public and to myself
that there is no reason that this plan, as long as you are
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willing to delay the requirement against housing and the
requirement of design review, that it can't go forward. Have
I got it right.
Horow/ I think you got it right.
Hieronymous/ Just as it was planned.
Horow/ Karen Franklin, would you care to comment on this please.
Franklin/ You can't vote on the Plan tonight because you have to
have the 30 days between when you close the p.h.. It could
not be put on the agenda tonight.
Gentry/ That is true. Yes, I apologize for that.
Franklin/ I want to make sure everybody understood that.
Kubby/ Is the thing that (can't hear) the city is that we needed to
vote on the Plan before we could vote on the district. Item
10 should not have been on the agenda.
Gentry/ That is exactly correct and we are all learning along this
little road and that is correct. The ordinance comes at the
very end of the procedure to implement the Plan.
KUbby/ So we were trying to move things along not knowing that we
weren't suppose to do that.
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head.
Gentry/The strange thing I the reason that I looked at this so
closely is that everyone was asking me about a p.h. and the
strange thing about this is we don't even need a p.h. on the
ordinance to designate. We do need ample public hearings,
perhaps three, on the plan. So this is a very strange animal.
Horow/ All right, let's continue this plan as it was originally
presented.
Gentry/ Now that we have you all confused.
Peter Fisher/ I am confused but my comments are pretty general so
I don't think it matters. My name is Peter Fisher. I sent a
letter to the council that was included in your packet. I
just want to say a few things very briefly regarding some of
the issues that I raised. There seems to me that in the past
my understanding of city policy with respect to residential
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incentives in the form of regulatory relief or participating
in the cost of infrastructure when there are public benefits
that the city wants to obtain in the development project such
as lower cost housing. It seems to me that with the
revitalization district proposal and the tax incentive, the
tax abatement provisions that are apart of that, that the city
is embarking on something in a much grander scale that we have
contemplated in the past and I think there are a couple of
concerns or questions that I \vould raise. One is that I think
this tax incentive plan for this three block area has the
potential to be quite costly and I do not think it is correct
to argue that in the absence of this ordinance and this tax
incentive plan there would be not development in that area.
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Development that would pay property taxes at the full rate.
And so to conclude that nay taxes, any increase in taxes is a
net gain I think is a mistake. I think the potential is this
will cost the city a great deal and under those circumstances
we need to be sure that not only for proposals in hand but for
all future proposals for development, the city is going to be
in a position to guarantee that they are getting something
quite tangible in terms of public benefits that justify that
cost. And finally, even if we thought there are probably some
public benefits and that this incentive might help to bring
those about, is this the least cost way that the city can go
about pursuing its public purposes in that district.
Horow/ Do you have any more remarks. I have questions. In your
experience, what other tools have cities used to accomplish
purposes that they have agreed on as a public purpose such as
the deliberate attempt to keep the d.t. area where it is or
let it be enlarged a tad to the south. This city has taken
that position of not expanding to the north. Rather promoting
expansion to the south. When a public body takes that
position, has the literature reflected any other method of
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clear how many of them are possible under Iowa law or how many
could be done quickly but there are a variety of things in the
financial arena. There are cities that have participated in
financing of projects. It is a matter of undertaking risk.
They have talten a position in the project itself and shared in
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words, stewardship of the d.t. area would be seen as a public
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Fisher/ I think it could be, sure.
Horow/ Thank you very much.
John Cruise/ I am a local attorney and I have been asked to come
here tonight on behalf of a local company that owns a
substantial d.t. building and to read a brief statement to you
from the company. The company is Hawkeye Bay states Partners
that owns the Paul Helen Building at 209 East Washington
street. This is a partnership that bought the building in
1986 after the previous owners were unable to secure funds to
renovate the building. Hawkeye Bay has spent $1.5 million
renovating that d.t. building and completely restored it and
it is now on the historic registry. We think the building is
quite an asset to the d.t. Since the issue tonight is property
taxes in essence we think you should know that the property
taxes on this building has increased by over 400% in the last
six years. We currently pay nearly $2.00 in property taxes
for each square foot in the building. Hawkeye Bay objects to
the proposal before the council to provide property tax relief
to select property owners. To put it directly, the
partnership believes that the proposal is unfair to other
property owners in the d. t. The partnership questions whether
many of the assumptions made by staff and Ms. Hieronymous are
actually well founded. At its heart, the proposal would allow
Ms. Hieronymous to charge rents not based on the real costs of
developing and maintaining a building. While the proposal
does, in effect, is subsidize her building by permitting her
to charge rents below the actual cost. Rents are affected by
two factors. The cost of building and maintaining a property
and by market competition. Those of us who develop property
take risks and based on our best guesses as to market
condi tions . Sometimes we guess wrong and lose and sometime we
guess right and profit. This is the nature of capitalism.
Risk and rewards go hand and hand. There is no such thing as
a sure thing and all of us investors know this. But capitalism
can only work when the playing field is level of all players.
What the proposal before the council does is to tilt the
playing filed to the benefit of certain select property
owners. The primary reason for providing the tax break is to
help Ms. Hieronymous secure financing for her building. The
argument is that such a tax break is needed so that she can
charge rents below those that she would have to charge if her
rents were based on the actual cost of the building. Our
rents for the Paul Helen Building include our fair share of
property taxes. Yes the rents charged by Mrs. Hieronymous
will be artificially lowered because she will not be paying
her fair share of the property taxes. How can we compete for
tenants when she can charge rents'below actual costs. Will
the city grant us property tax relief after her building is
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full or if we have financial problems. Some say that the
council needs to approve the tax relief because it will mean
more money for the city. That is true. More property taxes
will be paid if the property is developed. But why assume
that only the current owner is capable of developing that
property or other property in that district. Indeed, there
may be other developers who are interested in acquiring the
property and developing it without any needed tax relief. In
fact, on the side I could say that I could think of a half
dozen or more. That is how capitalism works. What some
investors see as being too risky, others see as being an
opportunity. That is why we bought the Paul Helen Building
despite the previous owners being unable to secure financing.
Yet, letting the normal workings of the market place is not an
option that the council has considered. Others say that the
council should grant tax relief because there is not enough
vacant office space in the d. t. Did anyone check whether this
is true. Talk to realtors who know the commercial market and
they will tell you that this isn't anywhere near the truth.
Over 21% of the Paul Helen Building is vacant. That is 6,000
square feet of vacant office space. We understand ,that there
is also 6,000 square feet of vacant office space in Plaza
Center One and the Commerce Center also has office space
vacant. So it seems that there may be a lot of office space
to rent in the d.t. area. But whether or not there is office
space in the d. t. area that is vacant should be a market
decision not a political one. Those of us who develop
property will build if the demand is there. That is our
business. All we are asking is that the council keep the
playing field level for all of us. We are not asking you to
reduce the tax burden on the Paul Helen Building. We are
asking you to treat all the property owners in the d.t. and
throughout Iowa city equally and fairly. Thank you.
Horow I Mr. Cruise, I have a question. Do you know whether the
space in the Paul Helen Building is contiguous, 6,000 square
feet of is it in smaller parcels. Or what.
cruisel I know that there is one large empty unit in the Paul Helen
Building that is contiguous. I don't know if that is the
entire 6,000 square feet.
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Lehmani I have one other question. You said your taxes are $2.00
per foot for that building. Is that $2.00 per foot for each
floor.
cruisel Yes, as I understand it.
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Lehman/ In other words, the building is how many floors.
cruise/ I think it is four but I am not real familiar with it. I
am not one of the owners, I am here representing them and
presenting a statement on their behalf that they have
prepared.
Baker/ John, can I ask you a question also. Talked about empty
space in your building and some other buildings in town. It
may not be possible for you to answer this question but let me
ask you anyway. Is it your perception it is empty because
there is a lack of demand or are there other ancillary
problems about the location that makes it less attractive. For
example, a parking problem.
cruise/ Parking is a consideration at every location. But I would
say that there is not a tremendous demand. I am one of the
owners of another project known as Kennedy Plaza and we still
have space available there and we have good parking. We are
doing pretty well. We are not complaining. But there is
plenty of space to rent and if fact-
Horow/ What kind of space Mr. Cruise. commercial, retail or office.
what is the largest office space that you would have.
cruise/ 3,000 square feet. Frankly I am on the peripheral of being
in the development business myself. As an attorney I
represent numerous people who develop property. I am a fairly
big investor myself and I have always looked at property in
this area that you are considering wanting to buy something
there and in fact, have tried to buy a parcel now and then but
have never been successful. And I don't think you need
property tax abatement to see that property developed. If you
want it to be part of the d.t. zone it the same as the d.t.
and do a couple of other little things and it will be
developed.
Horow/ Do you think the developers that you were talking about
would adhere to those desires that the city policy staff- that
the city policy has been wanting to promote. In other words,
initiating the commercial retail area there with a pedestrian
friendly scape in almost like a flagship then for the rest of
the area south of Burlington to develop.
Cruise/ Yeah, I feel pretty comfortable that they would. We are
seeing more commercial demand. Now we didn't have that four or
five years ago. And I have been working with a lot of people
who have been wanting to do what we call Carnegie on the Old
Library Parking Lot for almost ten years and during the last
ten years the demand has been primarily residential. But now
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we are seeing that there is more commercial demand. It takes
a little longer to rent up but I think that people are looking
at that more positively now.
Horow! Is the same demand there for professional office space.
Cruise! Yes. It is just a little slower. And-
Horow! But if it is slower then wouldn't that say that the taking
a risk of putting large building up. Let's say the developers
that you are talking about put a large building up and if the
demand for the professional office space is longer, won't that
be a larger financial risk for them if it does not fill that
building.
Cruise! Sure, absolutely.
Horow! So anybody who developed there would still have this iffy
type of risk in terms of filling the building.
Cruise! My point would be that if the zoning was such. Let's say
you had a zone and that you wanted only retail and office use
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I think.
Horow! Why hasn't someone purchased Rebel Plaza and done the same
thing. Or why hasn't someone else-
Cruise! The owner of Rebel Plaza will redevelop that. He will get
around to it. I know him personally and he has go a lot of
things in the works and he has been drawing plans. He has
been working on it for as long as he has had it.
Horow/ It comes down to which developer gets there first, right.
Lehman! If this proposal did not have office space you probably
wouldn't be here tonight, would you.
cruise! No. The group that owns the Paul Helen Building, the
company that owns that building, is in opposition just because
it unfairly competes with them.
Lehman! I realize that. But if this were a five level mall, all
retail, would you be concerned about that.
cruise! I think my client would still because we are talking the
Paul Helen Building is competing in the office space area and
in the commercial retail area. So they would say that you are
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urban renewal. Which, by the way, I firmly opposed. I was
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Horow/ I guess what I am hearing is that nobody wants this because
it is in competition with them.
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would still be in competition with the Paul Helen Building.
Cruise/ But they would have to charge the same rents. Right now
they can undercut the rents that we can charge for the Paul
Helen because they are paying less taxes because everybody's
rent is based on what the cost of the building and the
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NOV/ And if you were talking about the cost of the building because
construction costs have gone up, their rents might conceivably
be even higher than the Paul Helen Building.
Cruise/ That is possible too but you see we have higher maintenance
costs in an older building too and these people have put $1.5
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more expensive than Plaza One rents. Is that right.
cruise/ Possibly yes.
Horow/ So it really comes down to competition.
cruise/ That is right. But by doing this you are helping them
compete and giving them an advantage over everybody else in
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economic development policy on the city. At least I think it
does. And that is under what conditions, if any, would your
client support adoption of urban revitalization plan.
Cruise/ Probably if it were spread over a broader-if it applied in
a much broader scale.
Throg/ What boundaries could one imagine. It could apply to the
city as a whole presumably.
Cruise/ I think, frankly, I think why shouldn't I get the same
break if I build an office building on the east side. We have
need and we have demand and it is a benefit to the community
that would bring in more tax dollars and business to this
communi ty and it would be very desirable. But you are
limiting it to one small area.
Throg/ If the city thinks that it is good policy for the city to
redevelop a particular part of the city and that that would
have larger benefits that rebounded back to the city as a
whole. Shouldn't we do that.
cruise/ I think that is for you as councilors.
Throg/ I think we should consider that at least and it might be a
good thing to do. That there might be some part of the city
that we would choose to apply tax abatement-the tax abatement
mechanism to in order to redevelop those particular parts of
the city rather than- Another possibility is to apply the tax
abatement process to the entire city and then have some
specific criteria that would indicate which businesses or
firms or types of housing would be eligible for those
incentives.
Cruise/ I agree. I just think that you should take a very slow and
be very careful and make sure that you are fair to everybody
in the city.
Lehman/ Nothing is slower than the Iowa City council. We are slow.
cruise/ This has corne up because of one particular project.
Lehman/ Yeah, but this carne up and correct me if I am wrong older
councilors. Not older but being on council longer. The city
of Iowa city apparently has decided that because the d. t.
cannot expand in three directions there is only one direction
to go and that to encourage develop in that one direction is
probably in the public good. And this is why this whole thing
carne up as I understand it. To encourage commercial
development and I like this because we are encouraging and we
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are not discouraging. We are not preventing. If we can
encourage commercial development and we are not talking about
office or we are not talking about whatever. Just commercial.
What ever they choose to build there that is their decision.
Is it in the public good to keep this area which is contiguous
to the d.t. free of frankly apartments, residential. That is
the only place d.t. can move. Is it important to the city of
Iowa city, after spending million and millions of dollars in
urban renewal to try to maintain a continued viable d. t. That
is the whole question. It has nothing to do with office space.
It has nothing to do with retail space. We are talking about
an area that we would like to or the city has said it would
like to see develop commercially. So the question is is this
a good project. Is this a good idea. Should this area be
designated as a revitalization area. Not who competes with
who and who has got the money and who owns the land. I don't
think that is relevant at all.
Cruise/ Hopefully the free market would decide what is needed even
better than all of us who would like to plan it out.
Throg/ Ernie, here is your opportunity to argue against the free
market.
Lehman/ I think this is a matter of perhaps occurring before we
have ten years down the trail or fifteen years maybe and I
don't know if this would be true at all. In fact I kind of
doubt it. But it could deteriorate to the point that you
could say hey, this is a blighted area and now it is time to
do something about it. Obviously something like this would
speed the effort up. I don't think you do it for tax dollars
either. I think you would do it for the overall well being of
the community. If it is in the best interest of all of Iowa
city and if we do have a commitment to the d.t. area and a
vital d.t. area, fine. If we don't, then you don't.
Horow/ Anybody else.
Sheila Boyd/ My family is in the hospitality business but lately we
have been in the development business. So Ernie, I am back to
speak-I have no land in d.t. Iowa city. I am on the fringe as
everybody says. So I am here in support of urban
revitalization. I am a native to Iowa city. I have seen
three parking ramps be built. We have talked about setting
precedent. I have seen a city street be closed for what is my
family's competition. So I have seen those things happen. I
am very much-I am happy. I am not happy for it but I am glad
to see the d.t. survive and prosper and that is how I see it
right now. I think, that is exactly what we need to do, is
look at the vitality of the community. Just kind of
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out in the outskirts and every once in a while I think, I have
used this story before, but we drop a pebble in the pond
somewhere. Sometimes it is in Coralville. Sometimes it is on
the south edge of Iowa city. Sometime it is right d.t. Iowa
city. But eventually the whole community, it takes a while.
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area. And that is why I don't think it is a d.t. issue. Lot
of times it is talked about as a d.t. It is a vital community
issue. And I grew up in this community so I have seen a lot
of things happen. I have seen it when it was a little rocky
d.t. but we keep surviving and I am in 100% support of urban
revitalization. And I think when you sit there you have to
look at a win win situation. I believe this is a win win win
situation. I believe that the city can prosper and I know you
say it is not tax dollars but it is. It is my understanding,
I heard a little bit before that the city would give. Really
the city isn't-again, we have been educated on this. I have
been educated on this. I don't understand it as the city
really gives anything. They still pay, by project again, and
it is not just one project. I have tried to stay off of that
one project. You know, the city doesn't really give. The
ci ty will eventually will win from this. The developers,
whoever, whomever develop down that area will win. Their
tenants will win. The city wins. The community, the whole
entire community wins because sitting on the north end of town
I will eventually, it may take a little longer for me to reap
those rewards but that will eventually happen. It will
eventually happen into all areas of the community. So I see
that as a- I see our d.t. area as an asset for part of the
community. I see certain other parts of the city assets for
this community. So, I sat through the February 15-1 would
really-I guess I have tried to stay non-project specific
because that is truly how I believe. And I know there are
people about fair competition and I know what it is like to go
to financial institutions and put it on the line. And
sometimes you have to take a little bit of a use the legal
tools available to make something happen so that we don't sit
idle for a long time. I believe that. Getting project
specific for a minute. I do believe that this is a good
project. I believe that it goes along with what I understand
the city wants to go to be able to at least keep that d.t.
vital. The only area to go with. If I understand it
correctly I think the person that is doing this also, again,
is somebody that is local. This is not an out of town
investor. This is a local person that believes in the
community. I think it would be wise of us to go ahead with
the way the staff-again, staff has talten time and looked at
this issue and studies this issue. I would like to see us go
ahead with the recommendation so that a project could get
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started and at that point I understand the housing issue and
I think those are good points. unfortunately we learn in the
process. Maybe we would have done that a little sooner than
later. But I would like to see this go ahead.
Horow/ Thank you.
Cordell Braverman/ This is my partner, Eric I we are small
business owners at 710 S. Dubuque street. We own River City
Iron Works Gym. We are down here to speak in favor of this
project, the whole concept. And of the vehicle of the tax
abatement as an incentive offered by the city. A couple of
points that I would like to address. Being a somewhat long
time city resident an issue came up about whether this is an
appropriate or to provide incentive for this kind of a
project. My personal opinion vs. some other vehicles
mentioned, maybe revenue bonds or city help with financing.
I believe the city has had some very poor experiences with the
other vehicles in the past. Several projects d.t. which I
think the city maybe did not come out quite as healthy on as
could have been. I think the tax abatement is a much lower
risk vehicle to provide as an incentive for this kind of
project and I am in favor of it. Another issue that I would
like to address in terms of being brought up about destroying
the free market policies and how this affects vs. the
competition. The free market in real estate doesn't really
operate in the free market as you know. The very powers that
are granted to state and local governments through the police
powers and zoning, right off the bat, will have an effect on
free market and distort the flow of the free market. There
are always winners and losers. In a Zoning Board and a Zoning
Hearing, land use plans, five year plans, there are always
winners and losers. In my opinion I think that the existing
property owners in d.t. Iowa city are benefitting from the
great difficulties in bringing forward new projects of this
scale for several reasons. And I think they are enjoying the
de facto benefit that would not be available in the free
market had land use planning not been very tightly controlled
and regulated. So, I personally tend to dismiss that argument
a little bit. Obviously this is an actual dollars argument
but I don't believe that a lot of the properties d.t. operate
in a true free market sense by the mere fact of zoning
policies and land use planning that the city is able to
effect. To sum up, I just wanted to, again, as small business
owners in d.t. Iowa city with a business that would be a block
and a half or two blocks from this project, we are in favor of
the project and in favor of the vehicle or the tax abatement
as appropriate and lowest risk alternative to the city in
promoting this project for the greater good of d.t.
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Throgj Thanks.
John Morrisseyj1218 Highland Court. I would like to ask you this
evening to vote, make your first vote in favor of this plan
and take the appropriate actions to put this proposal into
action. There has been a lot of mischaracterization I think
of the tool that you are being asked to use. The tax
abatement tool as an incentive to help developers proceed in
this particular area. This is a legitimate legal tool that is
widely used in many other municipalities. It does not cost
the city directly. There is some foregone revenue during the
ten year period but there is not a direct costs to the city.
In addition I note for the city assessor's office that this
city has been fairly generous in its forbearance of property
taxes for industrial uses. Unfortunately I didn't bring my
notes with me this evening but it amounts to several tens of
millions of dollars of improved properties that have been-
where taxes have been volunteered forbeared of a certain
period of time which brings me around to the point that I
really want to make this evening. Past week or two I have
been working as a temporary employee in the city making about
$5.00 an hour at some of the industrial enterprises in this
city and I can tell you that I will not live here and I cannot
li ve here making those kind of wages. I am an educated
person. I need to find a place where I can put my talents and
skills to use and it isn't going to be in Iowa city I regret
to say. You have an opportunity here to assist developers to
make space available for people who have the kinds of skills
that are going to drive our economy in the '90s and in the
next century. And I think you are-you would be making a big
mistake to not view this issue in that light because we have
a University in this city that is the apple of the state's eye
and is trying to be one of the premiere university's in the
country and we need to figure out a way to put the brain power
that is here in this community to apply it to our economy. To
better the people who live here in Iowa city. To better the
people who live here in Iowa and to better the people who live
in our nation and our world. In closing, I have to say that it
took a lot of brass from the people from the Paul Helen
Building to come down here and complain about how they are not
being-about how the playing field isn't level. In the first
place if they had a lawyer that bothered to read the code who
would know that they could have asked for the very same
incentive and it seems to me that those owners maybe ought to
look for another lawyer before they wrote that check for $1.2
million or whatever it was that w just heard that they have
spent on renovating that building. And the second place for
the them to come in here and say that they are only getting
the cost of maintaining and operating a building is a damn
lie. They are getting more than that because space d.t-there
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isn't enough vacancy d.t. to provide any decent competition.
This revitalization area may change that and I can understand
why the owners of the Paul Helen Building might be a little
anxious about that. But if they don't like it they can cash
their chips in and go some place else. So I guess that is
what I would ask you to do this evening.
Horowj Thank you very much.
Throgj John, I would like to ask you a couple of questions. See if
I can sort this out. First I guess is most of your comments
have to do with the economic development benefits of projects
kind of like the one that we are considering tonight and as a
temporary employee who wants a better job you are attracted
the possibility of those kinds of developments. But what
puzzles me about that is I don't see the direct connection
between the revitalization plan that is before us tonight and
the provision of better jobs for under employed people.
Morrissey/ If you are serious about making d.t. a continued vibrant
employment center as well as a retail center then I think you
have to look at it that way. If you are not serious about it
then the jobs will go to Coralville. They will go to the
Oakdale Research Park. They will go to-they may go to Hills.
They may go who knows where they will go but they will not
come d.t. because the costs of providing the kind of office
space that is needed for these kinds of enterprises is
otherwise prohibited. This afternoon I had an opportunity to
be on the ninth floor of the Holiday Inn and looking out
across the city from that vista. One is impressed by the
limitations on d.t. Iowa city. There just isn't very much or
very many places to go as far as expansion opportunities are
concerned. And unfortunately some of our redevelopment of
d.t. has been not particularly well planned. We have several
one story buildings that are unfortunate. And it might be
worth staff's time to figure out if there is a way to craft
this tool, this tax abatement tool, to see if we can intensify
some of those uses. It is a legitimate question to ask-do we
want to provide this benefit to the developer and I think you
should do that. But I think you should make that
determination in light of the other things that you are trying
to accomplish here in Iowa city.
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similar developments won't occur in the absence of this
particular tax abatement somewhere and sometime here in Iowa
city.
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ci ties the wave is against development in the core area.
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There was an interesting article in today's Chicago Tribune
about corporate offices that have moved from the loop to one
of the outer rings of the suburbs and are now have picked up
and moved again to 30 and 40 miles away from the center of
Chicago. The same thing will happen in Iowa city. Maybe not
on the scale as in Chicago but the same thing will happen in
Iowa city because the land costs are so much cheaper and it is
so much nicer to be able to drive to the building and park in
front of it then it is to find a space in the parking ramp and
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Throg/ Thank you.
Clyde Guillaume/ You don't need to hold your breath tonight. I
made some points a couple of weeks ago concerning this
proposal before you and I just want to reiterate some of those
proposals. I asked you to look at this on more of a financial
aspect and I guess that comes from my banking background. As
you look at your future plan for this community. What are
your ten year plans or 20 year plans down the road. When the
South Side Plan was adopted for this area we were trying to
encourage the city to develop in the South Side. I think we
all agree on that in this particular area here. Tax abatement
is simply going to encourage it to happen faster. What are
you r plans for the next ten years. Can you wait for the
development of this area for ten years and the increase taxes
it will bring for ten years. On a fair market value if you
want to wait for this to compete it will take ten years for a
new project in this area for the costs to get so expensive in
d.t. Iowa City the development costs in this projects without
tax abatement will be-it will be cost effective in ten years
from now that these buildings will be bale to compete with the
prices d.t. I think tax abatement now and I don't know all
the specifics of the Plan before you. I don't think the costs
are less than what they are currently getting d.t. for office
space and the points that were made a couple of weeks ago
concerning the available space is that there is not enough
large blocks of available space to bring in the types of
companies that can provide the better jobs, the better
opportunities for our citizens here. So what you have to ask
yourself is what is the most benefit I can get for the
community and this type of project brings a lot of benefits to
the community as a whole. It produces more taxes in the near
future and on a proven scale. If you just look at the one
project itself, that along you can build several plans on over
the next ten year period because each year the taxes increase
on that particular property to take care of some of the needs
right now. We heard on the budget issue earlier tonight of
wanting more policemen. We need to afford that. We need to
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each year to look at and count on this much tax increase from
this particular project and encourage additional projects in
this area that are going to do the same thing for us. Just a
matter of tax abatement will let it happen sooner than later.
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will happen eventually. Yes it will happen eventually. Is
eventually good enough for us. That is what you have to ask
yourselves. Look at it as a purely financial standpoint.
Throg/ I would like to ask you a question. If demand exists for
office and retail space, will not development occur- Let me
check my notes again here. I can't read my own writing. If
there is demand for office and commercial and retail, office
and retail space, won't some developers see that demand and
want to build space to meet it in which case there would be
projects built to produce tax revenues to the city. In which
case in this particular instance we would be foregoing #1.3
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willing to pay higher than market costs to move in this
particular area. That is what we are looking at. Without tax
abatement the costs are going to be higher than in other
markets in other cities so the demand is not as strong that it
is going to bring them here to Iowa city.
Lehman/ Clyde, I have one question for you and you are a banker.
If I own property, which I do in this area and I came in to
you to borrow money to build commercial or to build
residential, you know-apartments, which would you be more
willing to loan me money for. with no tax abatement. Just
hole in the ground, I want to go in and I want to build.
Guilluame/ It essentially comes down to the collateral and the
cashflow and the project. An apartment complex is going to
cashflow where a commercial project is going to have b\to be
leased out to a certain extent before a bank is going to agree
to finance it because it won't cashflow in the beginning.
Nobody is willing to take that risk unless there is a
collateral there or very very deep pockets. Developers are
not willing to lose money for five or ten years or however
long it takes in order to get a project off the ground. I
don't care how-you can't look at it as subsidizing the wealthy
because you don't get to be wealthy by losing money off of the
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but not apartment complexes in this particular area. Do you
want to have it now. Do you want the increased taxes now due
to projects that are- that each of you may have planned for
the next ten years.
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my wife and myself. And I think anyone that knows Carolyn
knows that I do so very carefully. I'd like to speak in favor
of this project. It doesn't require widening any streets or
taking down any trees. I like it on that aspect. I feel
briefly that
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the d.t. is boxed in on three sides. Carolyn reminded me that
while I was doing dishes tonight that it's really not boxed in
on three sides. We could jump Ralston Creek and start
bulldozing some fine old homes and low cost housing if we had
to go in that direction. But I don't think that will happen.
Briefly, Carolyn and I favor very much supporting this
project. We feel that anyone with the courage to jump
Burlington Street and build a commercial project should be
supported in any way we can. This matches the city's intent to
be commercial there. If that avenue for expansion should get
closed off for some reason by residential the d.t. will die if
it can't grow. So we very much support this project and we
feel with tax abatement we will probably get a better project
than another developer at another time. There could be other
developers later come on and they're willing to do the
development but right not we've got a bird in the hand. And I
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that was formed six years ago to look at this area of d.t. and
also our board to review this matter further and come back
with some specific comments this evening. I appreciate the
council's determination on this. It's a very complex process.
Frankly that's sort of thrown all of us I believe a son of a
curve ball and I'm forced to extrapolate the chamber's
position into what we're faced with this evening and I'll try
to do that as best I can. A couple of weeks ago we read a memo
specifically coming down to the support of the adoption of a
urban revitalization plan in concept, not a specific plan.
We're clearly faced this evening with a question on a
specific, very specific plan. At the time we- the tax force
the chamber of commerce reminded you of our involvement with
the area south of Burlington and again I'm reminding you that
we have, over the last two weeks reviewed this again and
subject to the decision this evening we will continue to be an
active player in this. The task force and subsequently the
whole chamber board has approved unanimously the comments I'll
make tonight. We discussed the issue of whether this area
needs to be revitalized. It seems to be a fundamental
question. We feel that this area does need revitalization. We
looked at the concerns about parking and feel that the city
has addressed parking and they will continue to address
parking. The zone that this area has speaks to the parking
issues. We feel that parking is something that the public- the
city will be responsible to take care of and we believe that
staff has taken that into consideration. We understand that
the process is a very long process and as a task force and a
chamber felt that it would be appropriate for you to act as
quickly as possible on this issue. Again it is impossible to
ignore the fact that there is a specific opportunity
presenting itself to the city and we feel that it should not
be an opportunity lost. The- After saying all that I will
answer some questions if you have some but let me summarize by
saying earlier on in the evening we were faced with the
question whether we can approve the plan as it was presented
to you in December. I think an alternative was offered that
that plan could be approved that the process could move ahead
but that the issues such as design review and residential uses
could be addressed at a later date. If that is a sound model,
I think that is a model we would like you to consider. The
task force did look at residential issues as you specifically
asked. We frankly support the staff position on that that a
limited amount of residential use would be appropriate, that
abatement should not be allowed for those uses but as those
uses are appropriate in a commercial multi-use project we felt
that that was appropriate. But the bigger message that the
task force came up with was that this area is limited and if
left to its own devices will develop into more housing and we
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think that that is a message I want you to hear loud and clear
in keeping with the tax force's work that that area needs to
be whatever incentive provided but whatever the city can do to
provide for commercial development in that area. We would
certainly ask for you to consider doing that. I'd be happy to
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residential construction that can happen within the whole CB-5
zone. I guess from your comments I would guess that the task
force would support that kind of change but I guess that will
be coming up and would hope to hear from you at that later
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January that yes this is what we want excludes residential.
Then someone else read it and said that no you're not
interpreting it correctly. You have to change it if you want
to exclude residential. And we still have to go through this.
Kubby/ And so the current' plan still allows a building with one
floor of commercial a couple floors of residential to receive
tax abatement and that is not acceptable to this group so that
causes me to say how could we go forward with this plan if the
plan says something we don't like. How do we rectify that
later that or the design review question without starting
over.
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then you have another hearing.
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Kubby/ Because then you're doing this for a specific project which
is just how we're trying to steer away from this whole thing
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Gentry/ No.
Nov/ Under what process are we talking about amending it.
Gentry/ You have to give, after this hearing you have to give an
additional 30 notice to the public to come in, petition and
have another hearing. But you can still have an additional
hearing after this one to do the amendment and give additional
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Nov/ okay, what if. This a theoretical. What if we rejected. Put
out a new plan tomorrow, gave everyone a 30 day notice and
then a p.h.
Gentry/ You can do that.
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Lehman/ Wouldn't a change as major as the change in housing. To me
that's a really major from what was presented But we still can
go back and say you can't have any more than 20% residential.
That's major to me.
Gentry/ Frankly I'm going to shoot the player. I'm shooting from
the hip now you understand and I don't feel real comfortable
about it. I'm telling you that the statute contemplates
another hearing. Just how much that change in degree becomes
a change in time and additional due process and additional
hearing I can't tell you 100% right now. I just can't.
Throg/But you want to be risk adverse.
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Throg/ You want to be risk adverse and not get us in the
possibility of getting caught somehow.
Gentry/ Right.
Nov/ Well based on this and risk adverse system we have to just
inspect this and start allover again.
Gentry/ That's an option.
Throg/ You want really to be risk adverse.
Gentry/ That's an option. It's another option to proceed and make
other amendments in the meantime in the next thirty days
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bond council and give you a better answer.
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Nov / But if we had anybody coming in and asking aSking for tax
abatement on residential construction they would automatically
get it until they've amended it.
Gentry/ That's a long way down the road.
Nov/ I don't get it. If these things were okay in the process.
Gentry/ They'd still have to- you still have to approve the
project. First of all you have to approve the plan. Then you
have to pass an ordinance. Then you have to approve the
project. And then the city assessor has to make a
determination and do a physical site inspection.
Kubby/ You're saying that \~e could do- this process could be
completed and we could start the other one before someone
would have a chance to come in with a project-
Gentry/ Yes.
Kubby/ That was mostly residential.
Gentry/ Quite easily. Yes.
Nov/ There are too many changes going on all at once.
Gentry/ Well, if we could sort of get a laundry list of what you
want to do. I am sure that Karin would be very happy to hear
that. But right now what you have in front of you is what you
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Baker/ Susan, I want to ask Harry a question before Bob gets up.
Okay, Harry. You indicated that you represent the Chamber
Board and the task force on this particular issue and there is
unanimous support for this proposal from those organizations.
It is probably safe to say that considering the public
comments that we have had for the past couple of weeks there
wouldn't be unanimity in the Chamber membership about this
proposal. So what I want to do is pass along a question that
is put to me in this issue because I don't have a good
response for it. But, we get conflicting reports about
demand, market forces, demand, we have so many square footage
available, there is such a demand. We have literally been
told two different things. One there is a strong demand for
d.t. large areas of office space. Then we are told by other
people that that are blocks of fairly large space available.
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they are concerned about is a proposal that facilitates and
encourages, in their mind, grants an advantage to a
substantial commercial development becomes a shell game in
which you don't compete for new business. You are in a sense
competing for businesses that are already there and the d.t.
business resift or just shift. And that is a concerned
expressed by more than one person to me and I don't have a
good response for that because I don't have, based up on these
p.h.s, a sense of the demand out there. So is that one of the
considerations in your group's thinking and how do you respond
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unfortunately I can't give you a response this evening. We
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to discuss that issue. It seems that all of the discussion
has been based on the proponents of the assumption that it
will generate new business with the additional space and the
present office space holders will compete with that. Their
concern is that they will lose tenants now to a building that
is new and that is either at the same rate or a little bit
lower than what they are paying right now. And I don't have
a response for that. I just wondered if somebody did.
Throg/ And another reason for that concern I think from what I have
heard Larry is that an explicit purpose for tax abatements
with regard to the particular project that we have before us
or that we are considering is the explicit purpose is to
provide or to subsidize rents in the earlier years to that the
project doesn't flounder. And that strikes me at least that
in the first year or two or three to mean and I have heard
other people say this too that that has to mean taking some
occupants away from existing buildings and moving them in to
a new one in the first few years anyhow.
Baker/ I raise that because it is one of those unanswered questions
that I feel a lot more comfortable if I had an answer for it
and could say well, your concern is misplaced here. But I
haven't got a good answer yet.
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Baker/ The first time. 1980.
Nov/ And don't you remember all the stores that moved around and
around d.t. when urban renewal was finished. It was in 1979 or
so that it was actually completed. Through all of the early
80's there were kind of a musical stores game.
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Baker/ I remember that and I wonder how much of that was market
forces moving around or as people say to me now you have
allowed this to happen by subsidizing somebody else who can
compete against me and encourage that sort of musical merry-
go-round.
Nov/ I am not sure why it happened but there is certainly an
incenti ve to say, well, let's move to a larger location.
Let's move to a better place and we will just do it.
Baker/ I understand.
Nov/ And it is particularly true of retail. It is very volatile.
Baker/ If I were going to build a project under this plan I
wouldn't say to myself I am going to restrict it to new
development from outside of town. I am going to say I am
going to get as much as I can from where ever I can into my
building and offer whatever incentives I can to do it and that
is the market force.
Nov/ That is and if for example a tenant in the Paul helen Building
said I really want to expand and I need twice as many square
feet, it isn't available in this building but I want to stay
d.t. Where are they going to go.
Baker/ But the concern expressed to me was not that you can stop
that from happening but that you, in a sense, encourage that
to happen.
Horow/ Can we let the public continue.
Bob Elliot/ I wish I hadn't answered your question. I am Bob
Elliot. Those are among the questions that you are going to
have to ponder. I have heard tonight some questions about
needs and wants and partnerships. And I just wanted to point
out that need doesn't always mean that it will happen. We
needed low cost housing d.t. Several years ago I was on the
original Board of Directors that put up Ecumenical Towers and
that would not have happened without federal rent subsidy.
Now the building didn't turn out to be what we wanted or what
we had planned but it was a good building. I think it was
good. That was a partnership with the federal government and
it wouldn't have happened without it. Wants, I think you want
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too much philosophies on helping perhaps wealthy people. I
oppose that kind of philosophy. But I think that simply
helping someone who will be benefitted, himself or herself.
For instance right here in Iowa city you could take the
University. We pay a lot of money to the University for
people to come and educate themselves and help themselves
immensely. We firmly believe that the betterment of society
exists because of that help. I just as firmly believe that by
helping businesses to develop in an area where you want them
to develop will also help society. So just think of a lot of
things. I am glad you are pondering it and not me and I
appreciate the fact that you allow us to talk and you have to
sit here and pretty soon I am leaving. Thank you.
Lehman/ One other thing that we haven't mentioned and I think it is
a big part of this. Burlington Street is a very very
effective barrier to development taking place south. Very
effective and it is hard to cross. People just don't walk
across Burlington. I think that is one thing that is
definitely going to and already has hindered development in
that area. So you know I think there needs to be a little
give and take and if we expect development to take place I
think something has to occur to kind of offset that barrier
that prevents people from crossing the street.
KUbby/ Just draw them across the street.
Lehman/ It is not going to draw them but it might help. And in
effect, lower rents might do that.
Horow/ See if we got anymore public that would like to address us.
Tom Werderitsch/ Sorry it took so long but as you know I have a
long name. Good evening. I live at 3 Evergreen Place. I
would just, as you know I spoke two weeks ago and I don't want
to take a lot of your time. I would just address one concern
of Mr. Baker, if I might from my perspective. They want a
little thing in support of a report that you have and asked
you to consider not eating some of what I consider some of the
smoke screens on some of the issues. First thing as far as
space goes. Okay. As you now I am a contractor, I am not a
developer, I am a contractor. 6,000 square feet is not a lot
of space. Lots of, it was in the paper, Mrs. Hieronymous said
it publicly here. If she had her way she would rent full
floors, if she could do that. That is about 30,000 square
feet of floor, I guess if the project is five floors,
150,000. So we are not talking where there is 2,000 foot here
and 6,000 foot there if we are going to attract the type of
tenants that she is looking for. So there is a distinct
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that I had talking to these other people and they came back to
me and said look, that may be the goal of the particular
project and it is not a reflection upon Frieda. It is a
reflection on anybody that has got that kind of investment and
that kin doa building. If that goal is not met very soon they
will break it up into any space that is rentable.
Werderitsch/ Tru and I would expect there is a great possibility
that some of the businesses would move. That, I think,
happens in any community. I don't think that is unique. I
don't think that is unusual or necessarily think that is bad
because normally in the cycle soon after other people come in.
But talking to Marty Kelly and ICAD, one of his goals is to
try to get a large employer such as an insurance group here in
town. Now, if you know anything about insurance companies and
I am not talking about agents, I am talking about divisional
offices. They have a lot of space need. And we don't have
any to my knowledge in our community. I guess that is the
type of jobs, new jobs, new clients, shifting the old office
people within the community. I think there is going to be a
mix of it. That would be my response to those people. Sure
there is going to be some but the goal, obviously of any
developer in that area, Not just Mrs. Hieronymous, is the
other. I hope maybe that clarifies a little bit.
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Werderitsch/ The second thing I would ask you to do in your
considerations is to really reread this , what I consider an
excellent report by Karin Franklin and her department. To me
it puts the issues out in black and white. In fact I think she
concludes that if one disagrees with the benefits outlined
above there is probably no justification to vote for the plan.
I think it is that simple. I think all the good cognizant
arguments are here and you are going to have to make up your
minds whether you believe they are in the best interests of
the community. It is going to be as simple as that. If you
don't believe it then you vote no. If you believe it then you
vote yes when the time comes. What I do have a problem with
personally is some of the issues I think are smoke screen.
Like comments, unfortunately some of these come from our
written media and I think maybe some of them are taken out of
context. But supporting the wealth. You know what the wealth
are. I think that is an issue that shouldn't even be
discussed. Number one, whether you like it or not, a fact of
life is that for a development of any size you are going to
have to have some accumulation of wealth. People that don't
have accumulation of wealth, companies that don't have an
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institutes. And you may disagree with that philosophically
but it is the truth. I am a businessman. I can't borrow past
a certain limit. I might want $10 million. I don't have that
good of credit. I probably never will.
Throgj Have you tried.
Werderitschj No, but I have tried a little bit of that. And that
is fine. But you know if for whatever reason I should
accumulate some more wealth then the banks will back one of my
projects in that range. But until I create some of that and
retain it in some sort of assets whether it is cash or land or
whatever, they will not take the risk. And again, you may
philosophically disagree with that but that is the facts of
the world. Another one, again, is the give away. Again, very
simply, you can't give away what you don't have. You have to
decide will we take some, a goodly share, or at least open the
avenue because it is still not a sure, Mrs. Hieronymous or any
other developer, they still may not be able to put a deal
together. Okay. Even if the abatement is voted. But all you
are doing is, if you vote yes, is allowing that atmosphere.
The city will get revenues if something happens. Nothing
happens you are not better off than if you voted no. But if
you vote no and it creates a 5 year, 19 year, 15 year, a 3
year gap, then you will have lost out on the opportunity to
get some more economic wealth and tax base for our
community.It is as simple as that. I think again you can't
give it away because you don't have it and you won't have it
until something happens. The last point I would direct, and
again I am quoting the media so perhaps that is wrong but I
would address a concern I have to councilor Kubby and to
pigott. In the article I read tonight one of the comments
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misquoted, you said from a comment from I think Karen
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the free market, if you really believe that the free market
should rein, then let it rein. If you say let the free market
rein, we won't develop this by abatement, then accept the
possibility and let it happen that it might happen on the
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people's arguments and not my arguments.
Werderitsch/ Like I said, I might not have been able to take it,
you can't always trust how to interpret the media. Thank you
very much.
pigott/ Thank you.
Throg/ Thanks.
Horow/ Is there anyone else.
Hieronymous/ 3322 Muscatine Avenue. I am talking to the wrong
banks and the wrong council. If this building is going to
rent for a lower rate then they are asking d.t. right now I am
definitely talking to the wrong people and I would like to be
introduced to the people who can produce that kind of rent
because the only way this building can even happen is with tax
abatement that makes it still on the high end but affordable.
You know, we have gone through this and as I tried to get
clearly understood you can still move ahead with the original
plan and then later you can come in and put restrictions
against the housing, restrictions against whatever you want
to. But if this plan does not proceed you are looking at next
summer. We have winter in Iowa and you can't just delay this
project forever. I read a quote that I would like to pass on
to you that I thought applied to all of us. Don't be afraid
to take a big step. You can't cross a chasm in two small
jumps. That David Lloyd George and I am asking for your
cooperation so we can take the big step and get on with it.
Whatever can be done tonight I would certainly appreciate
having it happen. Thank you very much for your time. May I
please put in one more word. You have a wonderful wonderful
very efficient very conscientious staff who have been very
helpful in making sure that what was presented was in their
interpretation what you would like to have. Thank you very
much.
Horow/ I am closing the p.h. It is my understanding, then Linda,
that this evening while we have had the p.h. on this, we did
not have a consideration to vote on it. Is it my
understanding that we can essentially, I don't want to use the
word vote, but essentially get rid of this item #9, this Plan.
Gentry/ No. 30 days people can come in and file a petition.
Horow/ Well, what I wanted to propose was a motion- For 30 more
days, on this particular item. Would it be of any value to
ask for a motion to propose a new Plan to be presented next
week at which point next we would set the p.h. on this new
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Kubby/ That would just be on our informal agenda.
Gentry/ You can do that informally.
Atkins/ Can I comment. Next week. No I mean putting together a
new plan next week.
Nov/ No. Just put in the amendments.
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the suggestion we ask staff to prepare a new plan and get it
back to us within a week or two or whatever the date.
Baker/ (can't hear) to recommend amendments. It is up to us now.
Nov/ It is the same amended plan that we liked yesterday. It is
just that we have to call it a new plan.
Throg/ Okay. What I want to say -
Atkins/ I was questioning the words new plan, Jim. I just wanted
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legitimately be before us. In which case, we I suppose on
council, need to talk more about what, if anything-how, if
anyway we want to amend the proposed plan beyond what we have
talked about already with regard to residential-changing the
residential requirements and changing the design review
component. In other words, if we want to have a amended plan
that really has the chance of being passed we need to talk
about what the components of that plan would be so that we
have clear sense that there is a majority behind it. Am I
being clear about that.
Gentry/ That is precisely the reason why you have a p.h. and you
can now take the p.h. and consider it and propose come
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for weeks after weeks after weeks. We ought to be able to
come up with something among ourselves, present it to the
staff and the public in a very short time. I think we all
have ideas that we can get together on. I want to let the
public, people actively involved in this, know that we will
not drag this out a long period of time. We will do it as
quickly as possible.
Gentry/ You can have a guideline of what you want the staff to be
considering during this 30 day window of opportunity which we
must give the public to comment on.
Kubby/ Can we have two plans in motion at once.
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Horow/ What would be the purpose of that.
NoV/ Well, that is what we are proposing to do.
Kubby/ That is right.
Gentry/ This one can keep going down the track if we can get some
guidelines on how you want to amend it after 30 days.
Kubby/ We have to wait until the process has gone through on the
current plan before us.
Gentry/ Yes.
Kubby/ Before we can do this plan. So they cannot run parallel.
Nov/ Yeah, they can.
Kubby/ You just said it can't.
Gentry/ You can.
Nov/ People can have a second p.h. on this proposed plan and then
we can have another one in the works and that one can also get
a second p.h.
Kubby/ Okay. My question was do we have to wit until the 30 days
on our current plan before we begin the new plan.
Gentry/ Not informally. You can have some guidelines to give the
staff that outlines-
KUbby/ In terms of on the agenda we have to wait.
Gentry/ To act informally on it it will have to be after the 30
days. You can certainly give direction of we have heard this
input. We would like the staff to pursue this, this, and this
because we have received this input.
Nov/ And we can also get comments from the public.
Gentry/ Yes.
NoV/ We just cannot vote.
Gentry/ That is right. This is a time for people to come in and
comment if they wish to object.
Baker / I don't want us to get into a process of amending the
amendments. I think we ought to come up with something that
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we need more public input
Gentry/ That would be helpful.
Throg/ You sound more optimistic about our ability to come up with
amendments to a plan that a majority of the council is willing
to accept.
Baker/ It is either be optimistic or look at the toilet. Did that
make sense.
Throg/ No. Depends on what you mean.
Baker/ I am optomisitic. I don't want to flush it. I am
optimistic. How's that for a metaphor.
Kubby/ So in terms of item #10 do we defer this.
Gentry/ And continue it to April 26.
Baker/ Jim, I am confident that we can come to some sort of
agreement -a majority can come to some sort of agreement on
some plan or we can come to an agreement that no plan period.
Throg/ And we can do that in an expeditious way.
pigott/ within 30 days.
Lehman/ Linda, one question. We can pass this plan and then make
substantive amendments to it.
Gentry/ Uh-huh. And I believe, and I am not going to tell you for
certain, but I believe and after I do more research and call
our experts. I think after you give the window of opportunity
for comments within eh next 30 days which you must do by law.
Then you can get back together, take all of these comments,
take objections from the public and amend it. I think you can
do that. And I will be back with you for sure.
Nov/ Can we also put in all of the council comments.
Gentry/ Of course.
Franklin/ I have a question.
continuing.
Ph. is closed.
What are you
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Kubby/ The vote on the district.
Franklin/ Deferring it to when.
Gentry/ April 12.
Franklin/ Why.
Gentry/ To keep it alive.
Franklin/ I thought the idea was that you adopt a district and then
you apply the plan. You cannot adopt a plan until you have
the district. You are positive.
Gentry/ Well, that is what our bond counsel who gets paid a lot
more than I do said.
Franklin/ okay. So after April whatever we will have to do three
readings on the ordinance. So we are talking about then
another month and a half on this month.
Gentry/ You could collapse.
Nov/ But actually three readings is only four weeks. Even with
three readings- We would start on April 12 and then the next
April date and then whatever the first meeting in May is and
it would be a four week span.
Horow/ We have a meeting April 12 and 26.
Franklin/ Can we just defer this to March 8.
Gentry/ And re-review this.
Horow/ Item 10.
Kubby/ We can always defer it again if you so need to.
Gentry/ Legally we will review it.
Kubby/ That sounds fine.
Horow/ The chair would entertain a motion to defer item 10 to March
8.
Moved by pigott, seconded by Throg. Any discussion.
Lehman/ Madam Mayor, I guess my only concern is if we are so sure
that we could work out amendments, it would seem to me that in
the best interests of the proposal that is ahead of us that we
pass this damn thing.
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Gentry/ But you can't.
Lehman/ I think we ought to defer it.
Gentry/ The statute is not a master of clarity. But, you know, if
the counsel say you have to do the plan and then you do the
ordinance to implement the plan, I am not going to argue with
him. And that is what they are telling me.
Horow/ I want to make sure the language on the motion is correct
according to how we are going to use this. It is going to be
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Gentry/ No. You are going to defer item 10.
Horow/ That is why I asked the question. Item 10 is deferred to
March 8.
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that I think is justified becomes a reality and four people at
least agree on a plan. We still have to have three readings
of the plan, three vote son the plan.
Gentry/ The plan is one. The ordinance is-
Baker/ The ordinance itself would be necessary for the construction
to begin and any particular project to start, right? We would
have to have three separate readings on the ordinance.
Gentry/ You have to have three separate readings on the ordinance
and you have to approve the project.
Baker/ Okay. What I am saying is once we agree on the plan we agree
on the overall plan and the area plan we have to vote on it
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Baker/ Which normally would be three separate meetings two weeks
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Gentry/ You can collapse.
Baker/ It takes six votes to collapse, right. But if we didn't get
six votes the four member majority could call a meeting once
a week or more often to get the thing passed. Another words
we could speed up the process once we make up our minds.
Kubby/ I don't think there would be that obstructionist attitude
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KUbby/ Then you should ask directly if that is what you are asking.
Baker/ We don't know what the proposal in our minds is going to be
yet. So there may be more than one person who would not favor
the plan and it will take six to collapse a reading. We may
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Iowa City City Council
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March 1, 1994
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Horow/ '(#12a-c) Moved by Kubby, seconded by Nov. All those in favor
signify by saying aye (ayes). Chair would like to call a five
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Baker/ A couple of things. I want to go very quickly. First of
all I went to a neighborhood meeting a week or so ago at the
Longfellow neighborhood and talked about the Water Plant with
Ed Mareno and the other staff and it was very enlightening for
me. I realized I made a mistake in my presentation. It is a
logical mistake based upon the way I read my water bill and
the way I read staff reports. It is my fault but it is
another symptom of some sort of bigger problem I suppose with
me. Our water bills list our consumption in cubic feet and
that is the figure that I have been using except I have been
calling it gallons. So you use an average of 750 gallons a
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Baker/ Why is that and wouldn't it make more sense for the public
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Atkins/ I think you can convert it.
Baker/ It is 7.something gallons per cubic feet. Why don't we just
go ahead and stop talking about cubic feet and talk about
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easier to measure in cubic feet as opposed to gallons.
Baker/ I understand that but as far as the billing process. Our
information ought to be in gallons and not in cubic feet. It
is a little thing but I mislead a couple of groups talking
that way and that is my fault but nobody raised their hand and
said we are talJdng cubic feet here, Mr. Baker. It made sense
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Baker/ In gallons and where it is listed on your bill, your usage
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Atkins/ I can sure find out for you.
Baker/ In the packet we got a letter from Doug Boothroy about
amendments to the zoning Code about Board of Adjustment
Review. If the council doesn't have any problems I would like
to see us go ahead with that. I have talked to Doug at length
and he says there are some other things but they are going to
fine tune it with P/Z and Board of Adjustment.
Atkins/ We have to draft an ordinance.
Kubby/ The only question I have is about on site parking, if that
should be something we should allow.
Baker/ That is one of the things Doug and I talked about because-
well, I am getting into too many details here but he
recognizes that you can't use a percentage formula on that and
there has got to be some other way to do it and they want to
work that out. He thinks it can be done.
Kubby/ So that issue will be addressed.
Baker/ That will be addressed.
Nov/ And we will finally get something to actually vote on. We
will have more discussion on it.
Atkins/ You would have to amend the ordinance.
Baker/We have to amend the ordinance, comes back to us, make sure
that we were interested enough to go ahead and amend it.
We also got a letter from-
Gentry/ Were there four votes.
Horow/ Yes, there were four.
Baker/ Letter from Bob Hardy and Drew and Dale about Cable
Television and informal meetings and stuff. Can we put that on
an informal agenda to talk about soon.
Horow/ That would be the appropriate time.
Baker/ When are we going to meet with P/Z on our disagreement.
Atkins/ Monday night, the 7th.
Baker/ You all were at the Corps of Engineers meeting last week.
I was at the CCN meeting and the CDBG public hearing process
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related projects that went through those two day hearings. I
just want to congratulate the CCN Committee for the work they
do. They put in a lot of time and I was impressed with the
thought that went through that and I am anxious to be at
another meeting with them. That is it.
Pigott/ Well, two things. First was I endorse Larry's putting the
informal meetings on for-televising the informal meetings for
during the informal meeting to get together to talk about it.
Second, there was an idea I talked to a person in a
neighborhood who said who had heard our discussions regarding
the Internet and minutes and so forth and so on and said a
really useful idea, and this is something I would like to
discuss in an informal meeting somewhere down the line, is
establishing some sort of neighborhood network. Right now we
hand out a lot of neighborhood newsletters to people in
neighborhoods but there is not a lot of cross communication in
those newsletters often times. The person I talked to
suggested that what we do allow people to e-mail our
neighborhood association coordinator and give her an item that
are similar to what they put in their newsletters and that one
big electronic newsletter can go around to the whole city
through the internet so that people in all neighborhoods can
find out about what is going on throughout the city. In other
words, it is like a giant neighborhood newsletter featuring
items from every neighborhood so that anyone in any
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the city, the neighborhood association person, have a password
and that people and the neighborhood association themselves
could set up a person if they wanted to communicate, a person
who already happens to have a computer, to communicate with
Marsha via computer with the items that they would normally
put in the newsletter to also include them on this electronic
newsletter. So it wouldn't add any additional cost to
providing computers to residents in homes or anything except
allowing an extra hookup in the city and apparently we have
analog lines. Really just getting another password for a
member of the city and using this new technology in a
neighborhood friendly way. So, if we could, I would like to
schedule a time to discuss that.
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Pigott/ Great.
Horow/ Are there four people who want to do this. Okay.
Pigott/ Finally I just wanted to congratulate Sue Horow, our mayor,
on her bowling skills. I was at the Playmore Lanes on
Saturday and I saw Sue bowling for Big Brothers/Big sisters
and she is lIa knock out.1I U!YOU throw that ball very well.
Horow/ I didn't fall flat on my face this year.
Pigott/ You did get a strike, too, I believe.
Horow/ I did get a strike.
happen to be a gutter.
people look better.
Pigott/ I congratulate you.
Not the first one. The first one
You know, I was trying to let other
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like to congratulate my fellow councilor, Larry Baker, for the
outstanding job he did at Longfellow School. I think we did
wonderfully well at informing people there about what the city
is doing as did the staff. But I am pointing you out.
My friend, , was here earlier. He is from South
Korea. He was observing our form of democracy in action. And
get this, he is going to take it back to South Korea. He has
every intention of taking a video tape of our meeting back
with him to South Korea and he intends to run for office when
he gets back there and he is learning a lot about democracy by
paying attention to what happens in Iowa city.
Baker/ Is Rusty going to run his campaign. I am sorry.
KUbby/ with the Internet it won't cost very much.
Throg/ One last point. I noticed in the council packet a letter
from Larry Schnittjer about MMS consultants which notes that
his firm had donated over $4,000 worth of design services and
materials in preparing the Iowa River Corridor Plan. I wish
Larry were here right now. I would like to acknowledge that
kind of contribution and to thank him and his associates for
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We went to Horace Mann School and the staff did do a very good
job. I was very happy with our city employees and we had
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favorably about how much they had learned by coming to this
meeting and we were a little disappointed that there weren't
a lot of people coming to this meeting but there weren't.
There was just a small handful. But I am hoping that that
small handful who said to us things like, gee, I didn't know
we even had to have a new water plant after they had listened
to the staff tell them about it. Talk to their friends and
let everybody know that yes it is needed and we are going to
do it. And it is going to be expensive.
Also I went to a REAP meeting last week and I would like
everybody to know that we, in Johnson County, have received
REAP funds from 1990 until now in the amount of $774,589. I
was very impressed because we here say oh, no, we are not
doing much at all in Johnson county. Everybody else is getting
money. Well, it dribbled in in small bits but we have spent it
well. Also there is a REAP Assembly on March 29 for those of
you who don't want to watch the city council meeting. You can
go to Kirkwood Community College from 7:00 to 9:00 PM and
participate ion the REAP Assembly. REAP stands for Resource
Enhancement and Protection. That is it.
Kubbyj I have another traffic issue along Kirkwood. I got a couple
of calls from people concerned that when you are at the three
way stop on Kirkwood and Dodge that because of the three way
stop on Keokuk clogging up traffic that even if you are on
Dodge and you are turning left onto Kirkwood that the traffic
is so backed up from the stop sign at Keokuk that there is no
room for your vehicle to get in and that that is a problem.
And I know that we are kind of waiting to do anything
different until we have done all of the traffic management
plan for the whole-to finish Kirkwood. To do it along Dodge,
make the light different at Governor and Burlington. But that
should be another thing on the list to evaluate.
Horowj It happens at noon and it happens between 3:00 and 5:00.
There is a defi.nite queuing problem on Dodge. Yeah, I have
heard these same comments.
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Novj There is a stop sign there, isn't there.
Horowj Yes and that is the problem. The stop between Keokuk and
Dodge does not permit enough time or headway to be made for
people to leave when they stop at Kirkwood and Keokuk.
Novj So there isn't a Kirkwood stop at Dodge.
Horowj Yes. There is a Dodge and Kirkwood and there is a Keokuk
and Kirkwood and both of them are three way. You will have to
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try it. And the problem comes when people are getting off of
the bus heading east on Kirkwood at Dodge. They cannot cross
the street at the south side of Kirkwood without fear of their
lives because the cars are rather aggressive because they are
ticked off having waited in the line. And so it is a problem.
Is there anything else.
Kubbyj Yes. Sue and I received a letter today from ASCFME speaking
to domestic partnership. I just want to make sure, Dale, that
every council member got a copy of that letter. That is all
I have. Thank you.
Lehmani Briefly, I was in Los Angeles the last nine days. We have
problems here but we don't know what problems are. This is a
wonderful wonderful town to live in. Between the smog and
traffic and whatever this is a great place and we will take
care of the little problems.
Horowj I have a couple of items. I rejoice in telling you that
this weekend City Carton is having the magazine recycling. My
husband rejoices. Trust me. This is from 8:00 until 4:00 at
City Carton on E. Benton, Texaco Mustang Market Highway 965
and Holiday Road in Coralville and also the Mustang Market in
Solon. Magazine recycling, this saturday, 8-4. Thank God.
Remember the DVIP Seventh Annual Fine Art and Fun Auction
which is March 6, 1: OOPM the IMU. And then talking about
letters we have received. Karen and I, along with members of
the school board and the district parents teachers
organization, are on a safety committee subcommittee and we
peti tioned the state. A couple of you have seen those
chartreuse signs strategically placed near schools and they
have been very effective. They really capture your eye.
Well, the parents at other schools would like them to be
located at the other schools and so in the spirit of saying
why not, run it up the flag pole, we wrote and solicited them
under the guise of having consistency throughout the
community. Well, they wrote back and said no way. So. But
at least we tried-
Bakerj Why.
Horowj They are in a study and it hasn't been completed and now the
powers that be all the way up back to the National Science
Foundation have to analyze the study nationally before they
will permit.
Kubbyj And we don't have the individual ability to change the color
of the sign. It goes through this very long process.
Horowj Get Dan Coffey and Mr. Science to do it.
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Horow/ We are not about to be meek and mild on this whole thing.
Frankly, those signs really do catch your eye. That is it.
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Iowa City City Council
Regular Council Meeting
March 1, 1994
Page 9
ITEM NO. 15 - RECOMMENDATIONS OF BOARD AND COMMISSIONS.
(a) CONSIDER A RECOMMENDATION OF THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMIT-
TEE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVE THE FIELDHOUSE CANOPY
PROPOSAL.
Comment: At its February 22, 1994, meeting, the Design Review Com-
mittee voted, by a 8-0 vote, to recommend approval of the Fieldhouse
canopy proposal as presented to the Committee subject to the canopy
meeting all applicable building and sign regulations as determined by the'
Department of Housing & Inspection Services. Council can concur with
this recommendation' by motion and thus allow the canopy proposal.
(Note: The Committee reviews the canopy proposal, because the pro-
posed canopy will project into City Plaza).
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ITEM NO. 16 - CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF AGREEMENT
_q4- b'D WITH THE IOWA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORT A TION FOR TRAFFIC SAFE-
TY IMPROVEMENT FUNDING.
Comment: The resolution and the attached agreement are for a project which
will provide for the use of Traffic Safety Improvement Funding for the pur-
chase of new traffic signal controllers at the intersections of Burlington Street
and Madison Street, Capitol Street, Clinton Street, Dubuque Street, Linn
Street and Gilbert Street. In addition, the left turn signal heads from
Burlington Street will be replaced with five-section traffic signal heads which
C will permit a permissive left turn during off-peak traffic times. Additionally,
the funds will provide for the replacement of interconnect along Burlington
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Comment: The City Council authorized the City Attorney to negotiate a
settlement of an action filed by Craig Demmon against the City and the City's
snow plow driver, Anthony Worrell. The negotiations resulted in an agree-
ment to settle all claims against the City and its employee. The City Attorney
recommends the Council adopt the proposed Resolution Ratifying Settlement
of Pending Litigation.
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Horow/ (#15) Moved by Lehman, seconded by Throg. Discussion.
Baker/ I have a question, Sue. When we say we accept the design,
what if we don't. We are but what if we don't. Is this one of
those council things that we can control the design.
Atkins/ My understanding is that the DR Committee recommends to
you. You have the ultimate-
Baker/ We have the final say so.
Gentry/ Yes.
Baker/ That leads to my final question which is I like these
sketches. I am sure that the DR Committee had saw something
in color.
Atkins/ That I couldn't tell you. I just don't know.
Schoon/ The Committee was presented a color sketch and they were
also presented a sample of the canopy material and the color
that would be used.
reason I asked is that we could have looked at
stuff last night. Just for our background
I don't need to see it tonight. I trust their
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Schoon/ So, at an informal work session you would like to have-
Baker/ Something more precise if we are going to be talking about
design.
Kubby/ Our current code allows for lighting behind an awning which
turns an awning into a sign.
Gentry/ Yes.
Pigott/ How many other awnings do we have in town that are back
lit.
Horow/ Many. I was on P/Z when this first came up and we really
wrestled with this one. It is a hard issue.
Nov/ This is not an awning, this is a canopy. This is rigid and
not made of cloth.
Throg/ I suppose the real question is rather we have good reason to
trust the judgement of the DR Committee because we should,
shouldn't we. We appointed them.
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Horow/ (#16) Moved by Nov, seconded by Kubby. Discussion.
Baker/ I was explaining what a five section traffic signal was.
Pigott/ What is a five section traffic signal.
Baker/ It has five things on it.
greens and yellows and reds.
It is has got turn signals,
But it has five lights.
Kubby/ So it has an arrow that directs you.
Nov/ What this does, because I called Jim Brachtel, is give us an
option of having both a permissive left turn and a non-
permissive left turn. So those of us who have sat on the
corner waiting for this green arrow ten o'clock at night when
there isn't another car in sight will get a green circle and
we can go.
Kubby/ Now, will these be timed so that there is no signage that
just you have to follow the lights or will there also be-
because if the behavior is different at different times people
may assume during peak times that it is the same.
Nov/ No. What it will give you is a green arrow followed by a green
circle and the green circle says that if there is nothing
coming you can go. It gives you both of them. You know the
signal on Dubuque street, turn left onto Park Road. It would
work that way.
Kubby/ Okay. So they are both up at once. But that is that way
all of the time. My concern is that when it is one way one
time and one way another time, how do people really understand
how their behavior is suppose to shift at a certain definition
of non-peak time. I guess we could see if there are
accidents.
Nov/ As far as I know it stays on there all of the time. The way
it is on Dubuque Street.
Kubby/ I guess Jim wouldn't recommend it if he didn't think it was
safe. It seems a little scary to me.
Nov/ He also told me that these signals are old. They are worn out.
They are ready to be replaced.
Horow/ Any other discussion. All those in favor-Roll call-
Item #16 is approved.
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Horow/ (#18) Moved by Nov, seconded by Kubby. Discussion.
Kubby/ Last night I had mentioned the idea of still doing some
outside testing on some infrequent but regular basis to just
as a good check and balance of our system. I wanted to make
sure that was alright with people. I want that understood
before we vote on this.
Atkins/ Chuck and David both acknowledged that it is a quality
control factor.
KUbby/ I just want to make sure there is nothing in the federal law
that prohibits us from testing ourselves. There is not.
Okay. I think it is a great idea and I hope that we can also
do some testing for the Water Plant and any other city
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Horow/ (#19) Moved by Throg, seconded by Baker. Discussion.
KUbby/ I wanted to confirm that the duties would be be similar and
that the compensation is similar.
Helling/ The compensation is a little higher. For a person
starting in this position it would be about $600 a year for a
half time person. The duties are similar but they are not the
same. One is administrative duties, some administrative
duties as administrative clerk typist. The others are not.
KUbby/ Okay. Thanks.
Horow/ Any other discussion. Roll call- The resolution passes.
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Kubby / For the past year and a half we have heard commercial
applicators say that they don't have a problem with
voluntarily having a larger sign. Only one company has chosen
to take on that publicly stated commitment and I want to
challenge other commercial applicators to choose to
voluntarily have a bigger sign. I think your customers will
give you some real positive feedback about it. I will be
voting no to rescind this ordinance. It is not out of the
sense of mean spiritedness. It is out of an obligation to a
lot of residents who have expressed concern about this issue,
who want larger signs, and we have got to take what we can
get. I think that if people had to do it for four months they
would have such great feedback that the would be doing it
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Regular Council Meeting
March 1, 1994
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ITEM NO, 21 - CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 33 ENTITLED "UTILITIES"
q4-3~()q OF THE CODE OF ORQINANCES OF THE CITY OF IOWA CITY, IOWA, BY
ADOPTING A NEW SECTION 33-10.4 ENTITLED "TAP-ON FEE FOR THE
NORTHWEST SANITARY SEWER PROJECT". (Pass and Adopt)
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Comment: Section 33-10.3 of the Code of Ordinance of the City of Iowa
City, Iowa, authorizes the City to adopt and implement project-specific tap-on
fee ordinances to provide for the equitable apportionment of costs associated
with extension of public utilities. The City is proposing to establish a tap-on
fee for the Northwest Sanitary Sewer, a trunk sewer serving the northwest
area of the City within the Clear Creek drainage basin.
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City of Iowa City
MEMORANDUM
DATE:
TO:
FROM:
RE:
February 25, 1994
, Ci ty Counci 1
City Manager
Work Session Agendas and Meeting Schedule
Monday
City Conference Board Meeting - Council Chambers
Separate agenda posted
7:00 P.M. - City, Council Work Session - Council Chambers
(Times approximate)
7:00 P.M. - Review zoning matters
7:30 P.M. - Near South Side Redevelopment Plan
8:00 P.M. - South Sycamore Stormwater Detention
8:15 P.M. - Neighborhood Parking
8:30 P.M. - Council agenda, Council time, Council committee reports
8:40 P.M. - Consider appointments to the Board of Library Trustees
and Civil Service Commission
February 28, 1994
6:30 P.M. -
March I, 1994 Tuesday
7:30 P.M. - Regular Council Meeting - Council Chambers
Adjourn to Executive Session (Collective Bargaining)
March 3, 1994 Thursday
7:00 P.M. - City Council Work Session - Council Chambers
Meet with Airport Commission
March 7, 1994 Monday
6:30 P.M. - City Council Work Session - Council Chambers
Agenda pending
March 8, 1994
7:30 P.M.
Tuesday
- Special City Council Meeting - Council Chambers
PENDING LIST
Appointments to the Animal Control Advisory Board and the Housing
Commission - March 8, 1994
Appointment to the Design Review Committee - March 29, 1994
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