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Home My WebLink About1994-04-12 Agenda .;. ..... I 3:_~';,.1.', "'.': . .,. ',".' ,- ,', .' . ...' .' '. .' :;:~. ~":. ,,"v:' ." . 'l . ,)';(..,;X..&,.;,;",,\,,~~.:;....;c.."_LLC:.."-.,..~..~~:.o~;;L~:~~"M:"~;,"::X~i,'~i..""l"L:.,2'''''M'''''.'~''''''''';_.~~,.~---"_::..,..-,.=.'" . .:' , . 3.':' ,!~ : , , , 1 I .1 ., . :1. ','. IOWA CITY CITY COUNCIL "I' ". AGENDA s..:" . IV . , , , ... -.-.!' REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING OF APRIL 12, 1994 \ tt, 7:30 P.M. COUNCIL CHAMBERS, CIVIC CENTER \'t .!~ l~ l. 410 EAST WASHINGTON I . ~ ii' il ~ " , I. . . . . ",. ,,',.. ".- .... ... ..<.,:/:,q",;;'...).....iX '. ._'.' ,1...:,.-..-", '..'.',',' .'.' :,.',', .,...'.', - ,',. . .:c...... 0 :;', .' .....i,.. ~ .'". . . 'd .'., .' '~.."" .; )1',.';"".. , ....: I , I . _.:i' . ,'~ . ',; \ ': . "t ',.' , .,::....:'.\1:.::.,'. '. I.",'.. ..i.~, ,.,1., '" .' ,'. ',.I, ',--,. (, ::Ji, ,'~ " ',\,.,1. ' 1 .: ' i . " , '. ..' ',:, ""..-,., . ... " , '," .'.':.\'::;' , ~ ,. . . . , '. ,...,._,~ _ . " L~"__ ,,_..~,~,_~.z~... ~.._.~..:........,_,...~."....~.,. ,--",~,,",-_._~_~. ~ . _._.__.__ ~._ ._' ... I, ..\ c~.,\ \ \ ....... {:;'71 I. I~ I k, : !'{': i I \ I ~~ .- ~ JrI.~ AGENDA ~ IOWA CITY CITY COUNCIL 1 ~ REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING - APRIL 12, 1994~ ttIVJ1 7:30 P.M. 1\'aMJ 1Miu ' COUNCIL CHAMBERS ~ ~. ~~ ~ d Yl~ ITEM NO.1- CALL TO ORDER. ROLL CALL. ITEM NO.2- SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS. ITEM NO.3- a. Presentation by Iowa City Kickers of a check to be used for construction of new soccer fields. ~ ,?j7fj;,,) b. Presentation of the Lutheran Blkba;:;k'commemorative bench from the City of Santa Rosa, Operation Payback. ~ ~a./ MAYOR'S PROCLAMATIONS. a. Week of the Young Child - April 16-23, 1994. ~ ~ b. Volunteer Week - April 17-23, 1994. "1 c. Infant Immunization Week - April 23-29, 1994. d. The Daily Iowa and Iowa State Bank and Trust Old Capitol Criterium Week. i/J.5 _ 5/{ ITEM NO.4. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS PRESENTED OR AMENDED. a. Consider approval of the Official Council Actions of the regular meeting of March 29, 1994, and the special meeting of March 28, 1994, as pub- lished, subject to correction as recommended by the City Clerk. b. Minutes of Boards and Commissions. (1) Human Rights Commission meeting of March 28, 1994. ., (21 Design Review Committee meeting of March 21, 1994. (31 Historic Preservation Commission meeting of March 8, 1994. (41 Historic Preservation Commission meeting of March 21, 1994. 151 Senior Center Commission meeting of February 28, 1994. (6) Mayor's Youth Employment Board meeting of February 22,1994. (7) Committee on Community Needs meetings of February 23 and 24 and of March 23 and 24. Copies of these minutes can be found in the CDBG Project Resource Book. ;( 0 ., .". _:~. "'~ . .."~' ')':;':':."';' ,.,. ~ .'.' l . _. " . ',: ' :,' \ ,. ... :,'."C<:),," ',:Y'. 15,1,0, . ,"".''---','" .... '-" i~4/':~' ....... ,( , .,.., ." I ,..' . .....'. "~I , ... . - '. ,.' . . ' , _,__..__,_.__..."....._.__h~._.._______~~...,.,,~.........."".,.......,."'.',.~."......".."~.'i ' . :'1 #2a page 1 . ~.! Hehowl (#2a) We have two special presentations this evening. One is a presentation by the Iowa city Kickers. Now there are two groups. There is the Iowa city Youth Soccer Association and the Iowa city Kickers who are giving to the city a check to be used for construction of new soccer fields and if they would please come forward I would be happy to accept the check. Come right here. Thank you very very much. I really would like you to go down to the podium and just repeat just a little bit if you could. This is fantastic. It represents $67,000. lIt has always been a dream of the Iowa City Kickers to have a multi field soccer complex. They good things come to those who wait. If that is true we are going to have great soccer fields. It has been a long time coming. On behalf of every Kickers player from the original 13 to over 2300 today and in recognition of all of our volunteers I am pleased to present this check to you for $65,000. Thank you. I On behalf of the Iowa city Youth Soccer Association, which is a much smaller club and more recent in its vintage, we also would like to extend out help in getting these fields built and our contribution for $2,000. Horowl Thank you. This is really fantastic. .j I, .'"~ , , \ " ,..>Ii.., !';':;;;f' 1.\ : I , i , ; I II, , ~, i I :-:'" \ ~J 1 F041294 . .. , )\ l[ i,' r of i(~_ 0 .::-: ~- .......)..<' ,;.....0 '.. , ,/ ""," ':::, . , ..." '~"\ ""1,..1 I - " ..,:1., ":'. , "'. . , . I n\i ). , . ',1 ""-},' i . ,.,' / '. '. ,., 2s,'.I'fl " '.""....",/,.,'.". , .~~~ ,- ,. r ,\ ",,',:1 , , \\ \ ( ~ r.~ , I, ' I I I" I I I I I Ir I". , I ~:J 'YI . " }',,' 'j" ~; '" I :.4'f\ ;,:'~'\',. l._~ "CO ., '," .. , "~~ ~ \'1 , .. . , '" . ".,1, , N",,, , ,......;,-~',-':..... "".' #2b page 1 Horow/ (#2b) This evening we are also pleased to present a new piece of furniture as it were but it is more than that to the city. I am sure that you can see that in front of you is a bench. It is wooden. It is cedars of Lebanon wood and it has come to us from the city of Santa Rosa, California. As some of you might have seen. It was presented to the city on Friday by the former mayor Maureen Casey and we wanted to have it officially presented to the city this evening. I have asked out former mayor Darrel Courtney to step up to the podium and give us a little background on this because Darrel has been very very involved in the relationship between the two cities and also the reason for giving us this bench. Darrel. Darrel courtney/You are right. It seems strange down here. A little bit of the background on this. When I went to Santa Rosa, we kicked off a fund raising campaign locally to raise money for the city Park restoration and I also have a few words to say about that tonight. My wife and I went out to Santa Rosa to help with their fund raising campaign that was really geared to individuals in the Johnson county eastern Iowa area. And former mayor Casey was in town last week to do a further needs assessment. They still have some dollars left in their fund out there and I think we will see the remainder of that coming in soon. But while we were out there as Maureen and I were traipsing around town going to all of the radio stations and hitting all of the newspapers and t. v . shows and everything, my wife was taken on a tour of the Luther Burbank gardens and she saw a bench very similar to this one and they kind of leaked it out at the time that they were planning one of those to come to Iowa city just as a constant reminder of the efforts from the Santa Rosa people. Little background, Lutheran Burbank was a famed horticulturalist who was born in 1849 and made his home in Santa Rosa for more than 50 years. He had a garden site there and another one in nearby Bastical. He conducted plant breeding experiments that brought him world renown. His objective was to improve the quality of plants and thereby increase the world's supply. His working career, Burbank introduced more than 800 new varieties of plants including over 200 varieties of fruits, many vegetables, nuts and grains and hundreds of ornamental flowers. He died in 1926 at the age of 77 and he was buried under a cedar of Lebanon tree which was planted in front of his Santa Rosa cottage in 1893. The cedar stood at the landmark until its removal due to a root disease in 1989. At that time another favored son of the Santa Rosa community I Charles Shultz, you might know him better of the Peanuts cartoon, he and his wife came forward and commissioned the building of several of these benches from the wood of that cedar of Lebanon tree. And there happened to F041294 - ., .4, ~. _ ]" - o ;I' . ,._.. A ... . I ',I r:. '"'. ,,) ~ f!. ,\ f\. n ij, t~ !: ! f ~ I I 1[1 .. .. ~. ,~' , , '.\' ".f'.\i,. '" . , . " , .';I",'lG~t "'1'", ,.. . . , ' , , .' " - ],-, ,,~;~.~.... . ,~"""..-. , I,:~ ~i r,~ ~~:;,< !:I<f' ,:", li~ l~~ !?liil 1\f: iI.,.... r~, t', lJ' ~ f #2b page 2 be one left which mayor casey coerced the people in charge to donate to Iowa City and it just so happened that her trip coming into town last weekend did not coincide with the council meeting so she asked that I present the bench to the city on her behalf. I might point out that also Charles Shultz is involved in the city in another way in which you might be consider. They have a nice ice arena in Santa Rosa. And he built the ice arena and he maintains it and it costs in excess of a million dollars a year to maintain that over and above the revenues that I brought in. We have a cartoonist that lives in our city too. He hasn't quite gotten to the popularity of the Peanuts yet but I certainly enjoy his strip and actually at one time the Press citizen was thinking about dropping it and some of you might remember that I chided from the mayor's seat about doing that since he lived there and it is still in there. Their two favorite sons, Luther Burbank and Charles Shultz, are primarily responsible for this bench being in Iowa city and a favorite daughter, Maureen Casey, was invol ved in the last step in getting it here. It is a gorgeous piece of furniture. It is going to be up in the area where the water and sewer bills are paid in the Finance Department. certainly encourage everyone to come by and take a look at it and have a seat. o ~, Horow/ Thank you very much, Darrel. Thanks for your part. Courtney/ My second topic tonight I will try not to take more than 45 minutes or an hour. I know you don't have much to talk about tonight. I had to say that. As I mentioned earlier, you might remember we started a little fund raising drive. I don't remember exactly when it was, sometime last fall, to make up the difference between what we expected to raise from FEMA and what the estimated damage were at City Park and Crandic Park. And we started this drive kind of on a guesstimate basis. Our first guesstimate was it looks like FEMA is not going to cover $150,000 of this. So that was the first goal we set. Well, as time went on and as PIR Director Terry Trueblood did an excellent job of presenting our case and the second FEMA person came through and the figure went up a little bit more and the third one went through and it went up a little more. It looks like most of the final figures are in now and we still have estimated expenses of around $380,000. But if everything works out just right, it looks like we could get as much as $335,000 from FEMA. Much more than originally expected. There is a couple of ifs on there. For instance the BOy's Baseball complex was had an estimate for re-sodding. Through his efforts, I think it is on the agenda tonight, it came in much less than what we turned into FEMA so they reimburse item by item and so there is about $15,000 there. Terry ask them if-well, their estimate for the r I ,,,,' (' \ .~ 7;';'; ( I' \, , , ',i 0" ,.~ F041294 ~t' , i'j' ri' ." I,," c"'- .' .,..,.. - ~.~ ' ) I 10' " 0 CI ,s . ., '. .. ;,:ll~.21 --'-. , [, ,.\ r' -,..\ , I \ : 'I i \ " ,\ " , , ,..(-\ , I' , I r r i.' , , ~. I' i., 0, , ; ! rl/'~'I' ' ,,' .' ;~] .1 " , "1'."..' i',~ ,I ' .... :"1.'~ . i",....."\ r'-~' .' ,.- I , '" , "'1 . .r'l '\". ,~. .' ~ " ".. . . ~: , ~ ~ "" #2b page 3 trees came in less than what we said if we could switch it over to the trees possibly and he got a great big maybe. So we are not real sure whether the $335 will come in at that or not. But that is the best estimate at this point. Are actual cash contributions to date on the city Park restorations fund are $47,674.15. It appears that the committee has raised a sufficient amount to supplement what is going to be covered by FEMA. Although it may be substantially insufficient if the tree replacement thing doesn't come through. It looks like we are okay. We also have, in addition to that, two pledges from the Morning and Noon optimists Clubs of $5,000 each which were to go specifically to the Boy's Baseball fields. I would just kind of like to I guess declare that the restoration of City Park fund is complete at this point because there is really no need to call it that anymore. We had our last fund raising committee meeting last week and we, as a group, decided to kind of change the fund raising theme from city Park Restoration Fund to let's bring the park back to better than it was before. In other words, let's keep raising some money and let's make the park better than what it was before the flood hit it. Additional money could be used to make a lot of improvements to the park or possibly construct a building in the area where the rides were in lower City Park. A lot of things could be done that make the park even more attractive than it was before. So it was agreed that the committee's work was completed. Rasing funds for restoration and any addi tional funds should be raised and directed to the P IR Foundation. In other words we are going to disband this committee and turn it over to the PIR Foundation. There is already a board in place there. There is really no sense in having two boards raising money. Plus I can get out of chairing the thing that way. My last duty will finally be over. Our total number of contributors exceeds 400. Some of those I would specifically like to recognize at a city council meeting with them present. We had some folks that went way above and beyond in their efforts. I request that some future meeting soon that we come back in and do that. As far as the Optimists Clubs pledges they really were designated for baseball fields. Dick Jackson who was on my committee was primarily responsible for taking suggestion to them and getting it past. He is going to go back to them now and suggest, since they are youth oriented, possibly they could find another place to put the money in youth orientation. I suggested that he ask for it for the soccer fields. He thought that might be appropriate and if not there then possible some improvements to the boy's baseball fields. SOme playground equipment. We are really short on some playground equipment down there. The concession ticket building. Just have to see what happens there. For right now I think we are complete but I certainly would encourage the public to F041294 -- ~- '- - _J I ~D 0 I~ , ., l _. - - _H________ ~:~ ';7~" ;':.'):.~, :,,r:.:; " limml',,",'': i'..' :::.'....-;J:'.'""":",,, ,,' i I #2b page 4 i continue to work with P/R Foundation and keep sending those dollars in. We can make it better than it was before. , I ! i I I I " J 1 Horow/ Thank you, Darrel, very very much. courtney/ Thank you. :1 I , ,) :' ""\' " , I I I " ,I "'..i ;, ~,,'I "'1' , " , .. '! , , , ,,~ ' ~ '...., '; '.1 . , " ':,,:.! .I ',' , :i l . F041294 l't." --:'".t':;....';" . ,.,.._ -.~~~~:__;i , ):,:,':;..,"',. <.':. , ",., ,',' ,""":,0":"":::" '.' ; II,., .~,I, ", ,_, ' ",' " : , ": "',: ~:,~, """ . \ ,::',:';'" ;, . "\ ' " i .." . "r'''''''''''''~ i5 " "'O"'::i, , , /1 ''''.,:;'', , )ft_~_ - -'::':' ,( :~ 4";;".';"::.;.;:.>",~(:,,i~, ' l\lIJltC ~, I " ,. '. ~ ;,;,. '~ ~. " ' ....~_,. ._":,_:...__.~~~_.":_..--'-r__;;~;:'.c_A #3a page 1 Horow/ (#3a) Week of the Young Child - April 16-23, 1994 Judy Blake/ Thank you. On behalf of the Iowa city Area Chapter of the Iowa Association of the Education of Young Children I would like to thank Mayor Horow. and the city council for their continued support of children in our community. This year, in particular 1994, has been named the International Year of the Family. In this world it is characterized by change. The enduring importance of the family with all of its diverse configurations remains a stable and reliable institution. In fact, the family is the keystone of society. It is still the best predictor of the well being of the individual. We, the educators and care givers of the children of Iowa City, wish to encourage the ongoing consideration of the child and the family in policy making and planning for the future of our community and children. Thank you very very much. Pigott/ Thanks. It would be nice to see the country passed the U. N.'s Convention on the Rights of the Child as well. Glad we have taken this step at home as well. I said it would be great if the U.S. could pass the U.N.'s Convention of Rights of the Child and I am happy that we have taken this step at home. , ,... \ ;;! \; ~ F041294 !; ~ (~ , :~:;, .....- v , " . '.'<~")':i"" , : ',,'"',V..'" '. ,!,,',' """",.:,'" "'<"'./':; "\ o , ),.',~..... ,. \ I " "j. "f .... Jl' .. I . , .j I " I , i I' i',': Co\' \:.Y- , ~ "1" IS 80"'."I( ~:' ,~: ,'...',.,'.".l"."".L,, ",.., ,:;.\ ';:.',' :: ~ ~L>;': ~ :r.. 1{:~:~~~:,~:'~." >,:1:. c ,.' j" ,'.','. " ' '....:~\~~,\',;.:.', 'I" ".'. I':'" ,...' : ,,;", !i ., "',,' c" " ',.., " ~':,'::~.:. _ ..._.....,....., Mo'. :...~......... .....:._ _.....___~......._...~~~_ ...,"'-:.',_'~.c,_,_,:.;.._"...:._,'~ ", ,'.-, ".' , . .,-,-";~._,~A__'_'~'___,~"_,,,,,,,,__ '....". I ,..,J \ \ , .~ t;:;. , , , I I . ~ I I ;,,\ 1 )[ l', ~) . (1 :( '. I", . Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting April 12, 1994 Page 2 c. Permit motions and resolutions as recommended by the City Clerk. (1) Consider a motion approving a Class "A" Liquor License for Loyal Order of Moose Lodge #1096 dba Loyal Order of Moose Lodg'e #1096, 950 Dover Street. (Renewal! (2) Consider a motion approving a Class "E" Beer Permit for Nordstrom Oil Company dba Dubuque Street HandiMart, 204 N. Dubuque Street. (Renewal! (31 Consider a motion approving a Class "C" Beer Permit for Ware & McDonald Oil Co., dba Wareco #446, 828 S. Dubuque Street. (Renewal! (41 Consider a motion approving a refund for an unused portion of a Class "C" Liquor License for Carlos O'Kelly's of Iowa City, Inc., dba Carlos O'Kelly's Mexican Cafe, 1411 S. Waterfront. Q'1 - 'j17 (51 Consider resolution to issue Dancing Permit. d. Setting public hearings. (11 CONSIDER SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR, MAY 10:, 1994, RELATIVE TO AN APPLICATION FOR RENTAL VOUCHERS FOR HOMELESS DISABLED PERSONS. Comment: Paragraph 403A.28, State Code of Iowa, requires this Public Hearing prior to undertaking housing projects. The Iowa City Housing Authority proposes to apply for 20 units of Section 8 Vouchers under a Notice of Funding Availability published by the Department of Housing and Urban Development. The applica- 'tion will be for one and two bedroom Vouchers to be used in conjunction with services provided by ICARE of Iowa City. q'-!- Cj( (2) CONSIDER A RESOLUTION SETTING PUBLIC HEARING FOR APRIL 26,1994, ON PLANS, SPECIFICATIONS, FORM OF CON- TRACT AND ESTIMATE OF COST FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE CIVIC CENTER WEST POLICE DEPARTMENT LOWER LEVEL RE. MODELING PROJECT. Comment: This project consists of the remodeling of the Police Department lower level to increase the size of both the men's and women's locker rooms, provide larger more secure evidence stor- age area, and provide increased fresh air ventilation and cooling . capacity for the locker rooms and squad room. The estimated cost of construction is $195,000. - - -", . ,. .' . ... 0.) , '.. ' "," '.,',,:,:.,,';',:::,::', "":,':,, )';' ..."..0..,.. ,: '.'. ";"""",', ',".,",'.,t:'...,",f, ,:'<:'- "'"----'. ,',.-: , ,,,'. \, - o ""_M".", \, , . . ".. . " ::' \, <D " . . ~;5 ,': IO} "''''f,'''' . ~~"f,~\'>,~\;/,:~"':; , ~x'~',>"I. ',', ., .'. , ,"!;' ,,'; .' ' '~ ;': ',. '1,', . " . ,., - " Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting April 12, 1994 Page 3 e. Resolutions. ~'t~9Z. {11 CONSIDER A RESOLUTION ADOPTING SUPPLEMENT NUMBER 64 TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF IOWA CITY, IOWA. . c' q'f~ q3 (21 CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO SIGN AND THE CITY CLERK TO ATTEST A SUBORDINATION AGREE- 'j', MENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF IOWA CITY,'IOWA, AND FIRST NATIONAL BANK FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 431 NORTH . VAN BUREN STREET, IOWA CITY, IOWA. Comment: The City's Housing Rehabilitation Program was con- tacted by First National Bank requesting that the City approve a '\", subordination agreement for the owner of 431 North Van Buren. The owner received $8,500 in the form of a declining balance -, loan through the City's Housing Rehabilitation Program. First ..~ National Bank proposes to loan the owner $54,500. The appraised value is $68,000, which provides adequate security to ' '. protect the City's interest as second lien holder and which was Ir also the City's previous position. (N--94 (31 CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO SIGN , ., AND THE CITY CLERK TO ATTEST THE RELEASE OF A LIEN REGARDING A PROMISSORY NOTE EXECUTED FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 427 CLARK STREET, IOWA CITY,IOWA. ,~ I, : Comment: The owners of the property located at 427 Clark i: \.! r\ Street received a no-interest loan of $2,055 through the City's \ Housing Rehabilitation Program on May 7, 1990. The loan was paid off on March 29, 1994, and can now be released. i ~ 'i1f-95 (41 CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO SIGN I! i AND THE CITY CLERK TO ATTEST THE RELEASE OF A REHABIL. ITA TION AGREEMENT AND MORTGAGE FOR PROPERTY LOCA T. ~ ED AT 1421 E. DAVENPORT STREET, IOWA CITY, IOWA. Comment: The owners of the property located at 1421 East Davenport Street received a low-interest loan of $3,380 on March 20, 1991. The loan was paid off and only the Promissory Note was released on November 5,1991. The rehabilitation agreement " I ~';' and the mortgage also need to be released. il ~ , J ..' '. , o , ,.',' - :'" .,.' .'. ,1),...''''''.. "\ 'i, ,,:;,,<(:), """'. '/'?'." " ' .,,'H' ;,.:''\,..;;'....':',::'0 ,~;,;t,.'.,::," "",'"" , ,", .......'..1........'. '.' ',...,'..'."'.",. ,., '.. "0'; ,'" ", ,I. 15.<' ,'.:. ,,' f ,i_, ~~", ~.:,' "\ : 1,1, . .r - ~.",,~:-':,. k" f':; , ~('::'i' ..."'~ ' ;.. ,I ,'-:1 . , j :{ " " .' --".":" , , l:"'-:"~ J.. e-1 \ \ \ :1, II I I I I r i, 'j' , I I, 1,\ ,;1 ~-" ,I _..~".. ,( , ....! " -' ~ "," " ',.'.,,', ,': , ' '::'.-~t: ~'~;' , '. 'A" , ,,:....1.'),.. .' <. , ,,:",l,.' . , . " ,...._-_.-..-.._-,-" Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting April 12, 1994 Page 4 ~f - "1& (5) CONSIDER RESOLUTION APPROVING IOWA CITY'S 1995 THROUGH 1999 STREET CONSTRUCTION PROGRAM. Comment: The Iowa State Code requires that cities receiving allotments of Road Use Tax Funds submit a five 151 year program of proposed street construction and reconstruction to the Iowa Department of Transportation for their review. This report must be submitted to the IDOT by May 1 of each year. The report in no way binds the City to these projects or the timing, and modifi. cations can be made. A copy of the report is attached. f. Correspondence. (1) Letter from Amy Wilcox concerning the deer population in the area of North Dubuque Street. (2) Letter from John Hayek regarding the proposed tree preservation overlay zone ordinance. (3) Letter from the Airport Commission regarding the Airport Master Plan. (4) l:etter from a R~mBer of propel ty O'fv'nef9, resideflts afld-eon- remee citizefl3 re~8rdil'lg lelX exelllptiol'ls fOI the Near Seuthsider (5) Letter from the Toastmaster Club expressing appreciation for Iowa City Public Access Television. (6) Petition signed by 76 residents of Washington, Riverside, Coralville, Kalona, Solon and Iowa City regarding the SEATS program. (7) Letters concerning the expansion of the Iowa City Airport from: la) Gerald Maye, Riverside; Iowa (b) Reece Amos, Coralville, Iowa lcl Barbara Curtin, Director of Big Brothers/Big Sisters (d) Catherine Vrchoticky (8) Letter from Grace Trifaro of the U of I Animal Coalition expressing appreciation for the proclamation of Great American Meatout Day, (91 Memoranda from the Traffic Engineer regarding: (al Handicapped parking in the 1400 block of Broadway Street. (b) Stop sign on Langenberg Avenue at its intersection with Sycamore Street. (cl Parking prohibition on the north side of the 1400.1600 blocks of Aber Avenue. ~ -_ _r- j >", ,': I', ,,"','" , :.. ":,,, .-,\ ,;'0"',, ,;: ;:, :':':\ .,' ':,',' :~..,~~';'"" ,,,..,' I"":";!"':'" o - 'I" I I 'I I I ,,.. ~ " " '. I ~ ' I . :1, , I I - 'S5"lo, ,,__.."0' ',",t, ~i(~' , '\,,:,',:" '.-.' , ...'.,' ,~, , ., ,(: , , ....:.... , ; " I I "i Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting April 12, 1994 Page 5 , ;"", .i " .: . ,0 I ; " (10) Letter from the Melrose Avenue Neighborhood Association regard- ing access from Melrose Avenue to the new South Pavillion of the U of I 'ios,pitals. A't\. ~ v"R)1 g. Applications for City Plaza Use Permits. " 1 " ~! ~ , , ',; (1) Application from Johnson County Songbird Project for permission to set up a table for the purpose of distributing literature. (ap- provedl " . "r' ",,';, i " , (2) Application from Billy Howell-Sinnard for permission to set up a table for the purpose of distributing literature. (approved) , , '-.~ "~ ,~ :' ., I I . I ',j : .' I I 1 I h. Applications for the Use of Streets and Public Grounds. (1) Application from' the U of I Hospitals and Clinics, Department of Orthopaedics, to have a Total Joint Parade on city sidewalks on June 12, 1994. (approved) -~'-." , " ,'," (2) Application from Thomas Conway for permission to have a can- dlelight vigil on the corner of Washington and Clinton Streets on April 6, 1994. (approved) ,"'.. ' ,-'" ''''1 " " t' (3) Application from Nan Trefz to have the Music Auxiliary Road Races on May 21, 1994. (approved) , ., r\--- ~ .,..... . t f r~r '1\,.:./,., !~ ' , , i ' ~ ' , J (4) Application from Pat Gingrich to have the 1994 Johnson County CROP Walk on April 17, 1994. (approved) n~/ ~ 1M ~.A<~ I h I J..&fOAfo;.Q D, . P END OF CONSENT CALENDAR I PUBLIC DISCUSSION. n ~~ 1/0 ITEM NO.5- /AP-V ~ ,; I (("d , ' " . '"..,- o : -, .,. - , -~ '. ,. .".'..' ..,).;"".'... '\ ',:,',;,'";:,;",,,::,':. ,',,\'.',',',', '::!. ..."",'..." ,.,q"..... .." , ':', ". ' " ."" ' "... d ::" ,~ . .. '; ,-~~",...: l' /5 'I cL: ;',,,"",("",l"I'" ;' ", t. , ~~. -' ,( r",\ , , \1 11:1 'T' t: \ , i " i I " r. I , ; , , "~'I.,;j \"'--" , ", (~ 0 " ,t' I "t' ,"\.\t', '1' , ,~, '" , , . '". < ~ , " ,," , " ,', ....""__~."".n-~ ..,'" "."... #5 page 1 Horow/ (#5) Public Discussion. Carol Casey/I live at 623 Oakland Avenue in Iowa city. It is the Longfellow Neighborhood. I come to you wearing several hats tonight. I am a citizen of Iowa City and that is how I will speak to you. However I also work with the Uni versi ty of Iowa as the Waste Management Coordinator, I am on ECCOG as a board member, and I am on the ECCOG Solid Waste Technical Advisory Committee. All of those hats allow me to talk to you tonight as a private citizen about a matter that I am concerned about and it is how we handle our solid waste planning and decision making in this community. Recently we had an opportunity to participate in a composting feasibility study. It appears that that won't happen because of the way the city has chosen to approach that scenario. I find that disturbing in that we are losing ground and losing an important opportunity to move ahead not only with composting as a viable to alternative to our waste management but we are also losing time in our reaching our goals of 50% by the year 2000 in waste reduction. In order to meet that goal we are going to have to be more assertive and aggressive in our management in the City of Iowa ci ty . As I see it now, we have layers of planning and staffing before that information on waste management gets to you. Then you have to work with it in the political arena. I find that it isn't providing ample opportunity for you to be informed on all the issues because there is too many other things for you to also be informed on. It is just too complex an issue for you to be solidly and have a handle on and I find that from my view of other communities and how they handle their solid waste I would like to recommend to you at this point that you strongly consider moving towards a regional or at least a local setting in which you have something similar to or if not exactly a 28E agreement where you would allow the management of what I consider a public utility to be done by a group of individuals who are interested in the topic. Who will take the time to become experts in the topic and who will take monthly-the time monthly to work through the management decisions that are necessary to move this utility through the process that it needs to go to. I don't see that the council is able to manage that much information as quickly and with as much ;nformation as you need. So J. would respectfully submit that you consider moving your solid waste decision making into an arena that removes you, the council, from that primarily and it goes through some other setting. I would like to submit for your review a copy of the intergovernmental agreement options for a regional composting facility. This is a report that was done by some students at the University of Iowa. It was put up for a national award. It is an excellent report and it is the sort of thing we can take as information right now and move towards quite quickly. Also I would like F041294 ,-- -,,- -~- l."" ','" -~~~~' ... . .,".",:"_._"_..",,,,:,,_.,- l\~ ;~'" " , :', , :;j t~ ~ D . . ~ ~ ~ :~ js \ fb _...;:;', ';:"i '" ,IY ~"':'::~":':':' " " '~..; j.....:"! f.! ,-.oj;,,;:~., , ' , \ \: rT1f'. , I . ~ , , .- .J[ ., " :,:.....:~.:;,<.:~ : " ' ,',," '"..,t,\l_ ~ ,"..,'.,'~;/,.;"::. , ,'~. " ,; , ,'" . . .' ,",' , _ ,:,,'~~., .,..__ ....;~,_c.:.".,~..___,~.".._ ~"_ __.,.. .,,',.c-_.__......:.-~~..:..__._..__...._______..;.h,. , #5 page 2 to mention that the Cedar Rapids and county waste people- governments have created a 28E agreement for their waste management and that appears to be moving quite swiftly towards a conclusion and that is something that we should be able to either take advantage of and join or certainly use as a model . to further our own waste management efforts. Horow/ carol, I want to thank you for the time you have taken in all of your hats and roles. As you know, before the comp plan update went forward to ECCOG we had the Johnson county Solid Waste Management Technical Advisory Committee and that probably is a very natural progression working towards this 28E agreement. I am happy to let you know that we are taking part, partial part, in the survey with R. W. Beck in Cedar Rapids. That of using the same design, survey design, to look at the material we have n Iowa city. So we won't be gathering apples while they are gathering oranges because I think we do work towards the eventual regional cooperation with Cedar Rapids. Thank you very much. Is there anyone else who would care to address council an any issue that doesn't appear. F041294 o Irn ,)'....,':"..".', ''-' 1.''-' ',' ,,'\" '.' ,:;i':', '\ * .~ '," '..", '-, ';~:;.:::':.:>:.~"\,i:,-",' .,\"'" " . ",,"',"" '. I ,. . " I ".. .-,'. :'\ ',t,,'. , I I I , . . i , " " js ,'fo;, . .,.-,.."",','.'1,',','"'/ .,', ' -".,..",' ,'t:.' ~', /~ i' , t\ \ ~ ~ I ' ) ~ : , I , I , , I I ! I ' r' I ' 'I". : :./' : , , i I ~I..,.,;. ",~~ " ) , , ....-,r'j " j', . ," , 'I"~. .', :.~h~'I.:j :' "t',' .. , ,~, / . '" '. '" ",', .;' , , ", "'~.., ';,\d,'" ~ ~.- ' ',' (, , ; " , ", '", , u:',_,_;;..;--'-"-._---::....,..;.;...:~:.._'~',,"""..__.;, :~O;:.::.;.:,'"i.:...;..:,.:..;:'..:;",;\ 1.'-', '.,j';,.c...",'_" '~.""d.,,.,~~ ._,_._:..."._____._"~:_... _ .. ..".-,."'--------..,'.-- Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting April 12, 1994 Page 6 ITEM NO. ~ - PLANNING AND ZONING MATTERS. a. Public hearing continued from January 18, 1994, on an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance by conditionally changing the use regu- lations of an approximate 7.86 acre tract of land located at 2312 Muscatine Avenue (Towncrest Mobile Home Courtl from RFBH, Factory Built Housing Residential, to CC-2, Community Commercial. (REZ93- 0010) to' ., I i I ;.' '. Comment: At its November 4, 1993, meeting, by a vote of 6-0, the Planning and Zoning Commission recommended denial of an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance by conditionally changing the use regu- lations of an approximate 7.86 acre tract of land located at 2312 Muscatine Avenue from RFBH to CC-2. In a staff report dated Septem- ber 16, 1993, staff recommended that the proposed rezoning be ap- proved only if concerns regarding the improvement of the First Avenue and Muscatine Avenue intersection and the loss of an area zoned RFBH are resolved. Comments were received at Council's November 23, 1993, January 4, 1994, and January 18, 1994, public hea~iJg~ on this item. k~ r;fdmcu1.~' ~ Action: k~ 17~ (liNt! Ctrl/i14f1rJYl~~(, aJU!.~ b. Public hearing on amendments to the Zoning Ordinance, Chapter 36-58, to require parking for commercial and office uses in the CB-5 Zone. Comment: At the Planning & Zoning Commission's April 7, 1994, meeting, amendments to the off-street parking requirements for com- mercial and office uses in the CB-5 zone will be considered. These amendments are the result of Council discussions reg~rdinB redevelop- ment of the Near Southside. P '1-1- ~ i;tJ 'i'hl. k~ Action: ~~ a,cf'O ff Ufl/iJ.Af(J)IIdM~( ~ ~. .~? ~ attat c. Public hearing on an ordinance amending the Zoning Or Inance y amending the Conditional Zoning Agreement for Wild Prairie Eptates, a 71.05 acre property located north of Rohret Road. (REZ94-0003) Comment: At its February 17, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning Commission, by a vote of 5-0, recommended approval of the proposed amendments to this Conditional Zoning Agreement. The Commission's recommendation is consistent with the staff recommendation contained in a memorandum dated February 17, 1994. This public hearing has been continued from the March 29, 1994, Council meeting. Action: '<\p ~ ~ ,( ~ .'/,' ,,0., -" ',", ~> --, ),.'.'. ".. ....,...,., .' .- ~ :." ,\ '. ,',' '\, r 'J 5' 4 .. , , ,10 ".......,'1, ' "I ,.: .~ i ( .1 \ ?'I L"'I , I' I , I I I I '( I , I , i I J ~.~j' ' r,:,L (, , ,(~ ," ,~' i " '" , , ,:~h\I' ': , ',,' .o, , '. < ~ ~ '. :: ' ',',:,""- n',,'), ,,_',~:~l::',:',," ,.... ,. #6a page 1 Horow/ (#6a) The p.h. is now continued. Ed Murphy/Good evening, Madam Mayor and members of the city council. As you all know last night I did conduct a meeting with several of the tenants. While all of them did not attend and participate I would like to share with you some of their concerns due to- Horow/ Excuse me just one minute. I have to ask you to say your name. Murphy/ I am sorry. I overlooked that aspect. Ed Murphy, former tenant of Towncrest Mobile Home Park. Because of the number of people that I am basically representing understanding that some of the other tenants and would like to address you also. I am asking you for some leniency in the five minute time limit that you apply due to some of the concerns that were voiced at the meeting last night because I feel that it is important that we share those concerns with you. Horow/ Do you have more than five minutes. Murphy/It probably will run- I will try to keep it as short as possible and run through it as fast as possible. I don't want to keep you here all night. We all have other things to do. After last night. I would like to encourage the other tenants that are in attendance to speak and I would like to also comfort them and to have them approach the podium and speak to you as if they are speaking to family in making a family decision. Just to try to make them a little bit more at ease because they are not use to this type of forum. It became even more apparent to me as we keep moving through this process that the living situation of the tenants at the Towncrest Mobile Home Park are not in a good situation. And with that in mind we can look at what can be done to improve their situation and it looked like to me that the best case scenario is if we could get some legitimate financial relocation assistance and get them relocated into a situation in which they would be more comfortable, more stable, and in a better overall environment. I would like to get into the basis as to what we are looking at with the offer from Eagles. How they came up with that $143,500 figure. I am going to share with you those breakdowns. There are 47 units affected in this $143,500. There were six renters and he based that on a $1500 assistance to be able to assist them in moving with securi ty deposits, rents and moving expenses. In that category it would add up to $9,000. He identified ll-the possibility that 11 units may actually be relocated to another site within the area. He used the figure of $2500 per unit to pay for those types of expenses and in that category it would F041294 '8L- -= .,Q,.), o ... . ..:,.,-.- I ~/ 5 () Id ,'I ','; l'1lllif~ ,..-' ,.-:-....' " r ,\ [~'\ \\ ...\)1. ,- ::'11"'\, , , ! " I , I I i " " II II I ' I , t I~: I 'I' i i " I 'I I '" t".": \,~ '.,~ ~i ~":I"" ,,: lI<(~ ",,",.'r" i' ~'< .-,t: ,~I :I~~. ~.l);. .' l, ,\.~t" ....-,-'\.- {(--;;" " ~,. j '" " , ,',~t ~\I .. , I: ,,', , '" , " ',', ~ , '-~ . . :.1, . ,'.. ;,;" ~', '~.l: ~~: ~ ';,';: '. : ;'.:';'" ~:, . I.., ...".,.,,',..'.,"L"',... ..."".,''",',',,'...-.....-.-.... #6a page 2 add up to $27,500. In addition there would be 17 other 12 wides that because of space limitations and not enough locations available that would not find a place and he budgeted $4,000 per unit for those items. In addition there were 12-10 wides and 1-8 wide which more than likely would not find any location which to go and he budgeted $3,000 for those items, $39,000 in that category. $68,000 in the previous one. I think I overlooked that. You sum up all of those categories and it comes to $143,500. Kubby/ Ed, excuse me, when you say there is no place for those units to go but they are budgeting money for them does that mean they are just getting bought out. Murphy/Basically it is to compensate them for the loss of the home. I think if you look at-I have had the question asked of me what is the difference between a 12 wide and a 10 wide and generally speaking in addition to the larger square footage, I guess the analogy could be made comparing a Cadillac to a Taurus in an automobile as far as the value. The acceptance of the program last night by the tenants-some of the tenants showed up and expressed some concerns and were not around when we took any kind of vote. But I included those that weren't in attendance as the nos. Basically 75% of them would rather accept this type of relocation assistance because of the future uncertainly of the mobile home park. Last night you discussed some other options of use of the land that did not entail the mobile home park and it did not guarantee that there would be any relocation assistance funding there and we have a voluntary contribution you know from the developer with this regard. They know that based upon these figures that that type of funding is available and they were more than willing and generally speaking that to accept that type of and be able to get relocated. Get in a better situation rather than risk not having anything down the road. This type of assistance was the personal goal when I first set out in this program. While we can always want to get more funding for the relocation we all know that that is not always the case. previously in one of your p.h.s, I believe it was January 4, I stated that I would have settled for $3,000 and moved away from my mobile home. Figuring with that $3,000 and what I paid to move it I would have been able to relocate myself. I would have been better off if I would have stayed there and waited based upon what is being offered. One of the things that I would like to emphasize to those tenants and I did not do this last night, I really neglected. None of this funding will go to me. Last night there was one tenant that voiced a little bit of criticism to me, really of me, because I could afford to move but they couldn't but yet my principles and my integrity did not led me to abandon what I had started. I F041294 ... --,- . I I i i , , I , " ~1 it\, '< ~~: 'I, '~:! ", " \' II H ;ili " 'I' II ,~ ~il ~~ _JO __ -- ): I I O. :Q ,is I --_.,~~- ,:;;l\~il:1' ,\ .--~~ , ..\ '-'I , \ , I \; 1:" ' T\\ I I" I i I I i I , '~: I 1'1 : I :' i ' , ~l.j t '1/.." ~1f.' tlr;'I..i. h" " ",' 1 ' L_-..... \(_. 0 .. ",."'" , '" , . , "It' - ~ \ \ I' '. , '... ,', , , "'.. ... . . ~ ...::~, ~:,'" ...-,. #6a page 3 would like to go back to your assistant city attorney's memo wi th regard to relocation assistance. It had dealt with mobile home relocation assistance act of what they could require. The only definitive relocation act according to mobile home parks is in the state of Washington in 1993 and it dealt ~lith park owners being required to provide monetary assistance for relocation costs if they close. The courts acknowledge that the state possesses a legitimate interest in addressing the problem of relocation expenses associated with mobile home park closings. The court found the requirement that the park owner pay those costs be unduly oppressive to the land owner, unreasonable, and therefore, a violation of the owner's substantive due process rights. Basically that also applied to the developer. While the closing of the mobile home park is the immediate cause of need for relocation assistance, it is the general unavailability of low income housing and the low income status of many of the mobile home park owners that is the more fundamental reason why relocation assistance is necessary. An individual park owner who desires to close the park is not significantly more responsible than these general society wide problems than is the rest of the popUlation. Requiring society as a whole to shoulder the cost of relocation assistance represents a far less oppressive solution to the problem. Last night you talked about shouldering some of the or all of the intersection improvements onto the developer. Should this not go through there is some concerns from the tenants and rightly so that if the mobile home park is losing money how long can it stay in operation losing money. It may be to the point where it would have to close and then they would get a 60 day notice. The definite concerns last night voiced by the tenants. There was one renter whose owner is her fiance. She was categorized wi th renter with the $1,500. They would have liked that bumped up to the rental list from $1,500 to $2,500 to pay for moving expenses. I shared that with Rockne and he had no problem with that. Additionally some of the tenants that owned 14 wides and 12 wides there was some concerns that only one actual mobile home would actually be able to be relocated. The concern was that rather than $2,500 that they would like to be assisted with the $4,000 level. Rockne had no problem with that. There was one tenant that owned another mobile home that was included into the program where as there are at least one other tenant that owned a second unit that was not included. Those are some of the concerns that were voiced last night. In addition, absentee owners without being able to move their assets out was not included into the program and I think and Rockne can touch on this as well. His concern was it is an investment and you know there are tax advantages with investments and things like that. Another concern was non- family roommates that would be forced to be moved out. And I ~ ~ I: F041294 L'_'_ -",Q ) i Ie. 80', l -.} ~ ,. " . i ,~flg~ '" , '~~:,\I,t , ',' , , .', ~ " ... . . .'"..1 ,::,'., .... #6a page 4 can't speak for anybody else as to whether it would be the requirement of the tenant to include that. Horow/ Are you about done. \ Murphy/ I will run through it real quick. I did speak with Jim Conklin. I didn't speak with Jim Conklin because he was in the hospital. I just speak with Frank Rogers, their neighbor, and their concerns-they both would like to retain ownership of their mobile home because of improvements that they have made. Jean Gebert who is a shut in-I spoke with her care taker and she thought strongly that Jean would be of acceptance of the offer. She was going to call me back later this afternoon, that was not the case and she did not and so- Then there was one tenant that is an epileptic and has 114 pound dog and the trailer is valued at $7,000. So I shared some of that informaiton. The dog is trained as basiclly like a seeing eye dog for a blind person. Concerns of the developers that the program not be a free for all and that you take into account of they fall behind in rent, in paying the rent. Concerns that I had was that the developer take ownership of the property and operate the mobile home park during the relocation program and maintain the rents at a steady level. The city planning department does have concerns to the tenant that no money be made available up front. This program has advanced from the infant to the toddler stage but it still has a lot of work and discussions to advance to maturity and I would like to leave you with one last thought. sunday I saw a T-shirt that had the big letters TEAM, it spells team. It stood for together everyone acheives more. Together the city Planning Department, Monica Moen, Bob Miklo, Steve Nasby, the Neighborhood Services Coordinator, Marsha Klingamon, her intern, Ray Keller, the developer, Rockne Brosman, and myself we have definitely achieved a lot more since the last p.h. The question that stills has to be answered is it acceptable, is it enough. Thank you. Horow / Is there anyone else who would like to address council onthis item. ~~"'. ~ [, rJ r ;' ,~~ ;!:! , . r I I' , '~ I Rockne Brosman/ I want to thank approximately 20 of hte residents that I did meet with. AlsoI want to thank city staff and Ed Murphy for providng some additional informaiton so that I could put this togetehr in concert with Ed. There are some errors in here and as Ed mentioned, as long as hte logic is supplied consistently that that is fine. I want tostress that we knew that the council considered this project inadequate in January and you are gracious enough to extend us some more time but I want to stress that this is the best offer we can make and ask that Phil Leff elaborate on some of ;-..', '~ F041294 :,.,~' ~:, ~:" ("I ~, "C .' T~ "'I' IN 1 . "~L' - .. J I ijo 0 Q is , .< ,,'.l1'f.l\~1 ,', J I .'~~ ',\'1,',' A ",.. , , ~,~ , . '~.. ~" . . ... ':~ " - #6a page 5 the points and clarify a few items that I haven't covered. Thank you. Horow/ Thank you very much. Phil Leff/ I have appeared before you in prior hearings as counsel for Eagles or First Muscatine corporation. What we are asking you to do tonight is indicate that you approve of this proposal and then to allow us to work with the staff to amend the conditional zoning agreement which must be changed to incorporate those terms so that they can be signed by the appropriate parties and then be presented to you at your next council meeting. If the council indicates that it is favorable to the proposal then the Eagles organization will meet with the park owners and structure their contract to allow them to carry out their proposal. One of the proposals is to delay the time that the park must be vacated by its CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 95-59 SIDE 1 , I' the proposal you have already submitted to you in written form and I will just point out a couple of items. Other than the obvious it is an increase of about $80,000 to the relocation of the individuals involved. I will like to comment on what you might view as a negative aspect and that is the wash out of request for tax abatement with a wash out of a contribution to the intersection changes. I would like you to just consider when you weight those factors that first of all the impact which is listed by the engineering report at $110,000 is by the same report $81,000 if you follow your initial staff report and recommend that you consider only the impact north of the intersection. Secondly this project to improve the intersection is a part of your city CIP and eventually will be improved under that program by the city without participation financially whoever owns or develops this particular property. And by delaying the vacancy in the park and the commencement of construction as a practical matter the new development would not take place of come to fruition until in 1996. Moving the impact onto the intersection close to the time that you may implement your CIP. In addition, as you know from your materials, Eagles has been willing to dedicate without cost to the city two strips to widen the intersection on both sides of the property. The soccer people said that good things come to those who wait and we think that that has occurred now in that this is a considerable improvement in the presentation that you have received. As Rockne says, it represents the as far as Eagles can go. If you don't approve of this program you should consider at least the fact that, or this proposal I should say, you should consider at least the fact that $150,000 will be lost in relocation assistance. I <D , \ 0- . , r ". , : , I 0-' '1 .' F041294 " ~', ~~.~ ,,' , f ~ .~~. & "- :_- ) I ~D:, , C______ '0 1'5 \' ".' .', - - " " ;"~,~,'~~I.:!' ~ ~ i , " ,," ' .. j ~.~ I \ .-!! l~';' , If , , I I , I , 1 i , ~ I : i " 0~ :1 r,~l. I"~ ',I I' ':,. '~;'.. '..'._,~ ., 1',' ',~' I ': ..,~t: 'I.' , ,I" '" . ..~. ,. i' " , .'....: 1 ,'~,..., , '" . . . . : ..' Jo.,= '''h._.:,~'.,;y:_'~,;,;.."... _':1., ;"..'~",:~L,:.:_..~,,_ :;.:.:.'.:;r.;_:."-,,, ,'...,:, .. .. .......;.._.~~,~.._._.... 'n ..-:._L""'~'-" ',:', - ,,:,:, :;;'~;~ ",:'.>';' ",'.',' ','..'-."h,,,,.',,,., ,'"'"....,..._'.....,__, ..._~.._,__. #6a page 6 think it is likely that this area will not continue to present and provide for the city low cost affordable housing of this type for a long period of time in the future. And that relocation will come sooner or later with or without the project. And you have already in all of the presentations that have been made to you all of the list of improvements that Eagles suggest that will benefit that area and the community that will be lost and those include some things that deal with the intersection. A new 36 inch storm sewer through the property, a storm water detention facility that is not there now that has benefits beyond the property. So we are requesting that you please indicate your approval of the project. Give the parties involved, including the city staff and the develop, a chance to put these into an amended conditional zoning agreement and submit that ordinance to you wi th that agreement at the next meeting. If it is your stated position that regardless of these changes you are not going to approve the ordinance as amended we would appreciate your say so now and the project will die a natural death. Thank you. Baker/ Mr. Leff, can I ask you a question. Leff/ Sure. Baker/ I want to get very clear what I think you just said which is if we don't approve the package as presented last night including the tax abatements the offer of relocation funds will be withdrawn and Eagle will withdraw the proposal. Leff/ Including the tax abatement. Gentry/ There is no tax abatement on the floor. Kubby/ It is a wash. Leff/ I am not sure. We are probably talking about the same thing, it is just a nomenclature. I have been advised and Mr. Brosma has just said that's is the best that Eagles can do and if something more is demanded it is not available. Baker/ So the tenants are in a situation where they are concerned that if the city doesn't go along with this proposal that they would be left out to dry. That is not your words. I mean these are the words that I am using and the implication I got from what Mr. Murphy said. Leff/ Yes, I interpret that. Baker/ I would like for the council to consider the possibility that perhaps if necessary we come up with some money to F041294 rr' 0 L - ,'~'R" ']:,' "'. . , , , A \j) '", I!~ 10" . ,...', r ,--' ,',' ,", ,. --,' ...':: ' r'~' , , ~,,'- f I ' ,'. r.;.'i.U,lL13' , ," -- :,~t,~t, ~ '",'~. .. ., .. I. .\ r \ \ '.~':. (, ;'~~-..;; I , ' , I' .. ! I , I : i , Ir, 1\['" , I , ' , , , , " J ~" :/ r,: ~:' I ~.', " G' , 0 .' '''" -~--- " , .~. , 'I ,'" ,": ":," , '.. , '~.,. ", . :!, . ,..,: _,.. ..",..""".'."':,., ,';,';...;:."..~"~'A.',~ ."...,...'~.'. ,",'," '.__~,.. .'...__..___......, #6a page 7 relocate these people and take a second look at the rezoning on our own. KUbbYI I would like to finish the p.h. before. Bakerl I just want to throw that out right now. Novl Let me ask a question of Mr. Leff. Have you any information about whether or not Eagle would consider this location for a smaller store. Leffl No. Novl If this trailer park is not available. Leff/I don't have that information and I don't have any reliable basis to answer it yes or no. Mr. Brosma may be able to. Novl Would you answer the question. Brosmar (Can't hear). Horowl The answer was the mobile home park is necessary for that. Throgl I would like to ask a question. Phil, you referred to the contractual agreement that Eagles has with the current owners of the mobile home. I wonder if you can elaborate on what the details of that contractual agreement are with regard to the instances-to what would happen if the rezoning does not go through. In other words, will the owner of the park be compensated for lost revenues that people having moved out of the park in the interim while this has been going on. Leffl Mr. Throg. I am not the attorney for Eagles. In a broader sense I am not a part of those negotiations of the contract. D. Reynolds is here and see is the attorney for Eagles and perhaps can expand ont hat. I believe that the negotiations would involve, and she can correct me if I am wrong, the delay in the time to June 1, 1995, and what factors may happen to revenue in the interim period of time. So I think that is the area that you are talking about. Lehmani We are really talking about a land use issue here not who is going to use it or what they are going to use it for. Horowl This is conditionally changing the use regulations. Lehmani Thank you. Horow I Are there any other questions. Thank you. Any other F041294 --~~ - ,. )". ,I "',, ',':-- " ',', " ,Q,;. '. : - I ... . ... I i 1 1 I o 'I' " ~~l 5" Itl. , ,,), "","" .. . .e1 ,\, ' r C,~'\ \ \ ." i:'"~ ; I i 1M' I , I , , I I , , 1(.\ , !~'~ I :i I ~~ -~ '(--- ~'~ ., I ., " , , "'~~,~~i'l " 'y '" . ",' '" " , '.,' ". : ':'~ ", , ,', , . #.,_.!.:..:~,..,._. ~. ~:.._..:.~__+-"~.~.-,~.w,..,:' :,,',.:';,,~...;..:;: ~ ... . ~',~ ", ,,' '~". .......-.,-..,-...,:.....-..,---...... , ~' ',' i I , , I I 1 ',.J":".',_' #6a page 8 speakers. Anyone else would like to address council on this issue. We have the-what is council's pleasure. Do you wish to continue the hearings or do you wish to close. KUbbYI We can discuss last night that there was more than a slim majority who felt, at least last night, we felt that Eagles was responsible for paying for the traffic (can't hear) as well as relocation. I guess I want to check in and see if we are still feeling that way. If that is the case then we need to indicate that to the developer- Horowl Would there be any other reason why- Lehmani I think Phil made a good point. Because we have included improvement of that intersection in our five year plan or whatever that perhaps not the entire portion but perhaps part of that portion that the city ought to pick up. We have recognized a problem there now and I for one would be willing to undertake part of the cost of that improvement. Kubby I Although the second time they said this was their final offer so even if it were $150,000 for relocation or if we went down to $143,500 plus any traffic improvements that doesn't sound like they are amenable to even $81,000 for traffic improvements vs. $107,000. Lehmani What year are we supposedly making those improvements. AtJdnsl (can't hear) KubbYI It is not even in our seven year eIP. Throgl surely the proposed grocery store would impose additional traffic. We got a report that says that. It is going to impose costs on our traffic system. And the existing roadway is not adequate according to calculations we received from Jeff Davidson. Not adequate to handle the additional traffic associated with that store and with other projected increases in traffic. So surely we have a burden in terms of making transportation improvements there. But do we not also have a responsibility to expect a developer who imposes costs like that to share in the payment of those costs. Lehmani I agree. Throgl Certainly not all of it. Share in the costs. Lehmani I am not so sure that we are not in a position that we can't reach a compromise that is going to be in everybody's best interest. We are looking at particularly if we do not F041294 17- -. .-, .",',;0....,:)...'. ~ I,"~ '10", ,~ ,~9 I r .\ " "\ , . \'\ \~ ~ ("r" r 1 , I" , I ~' I. I , ~~\"'.) , .Ii :\\~'" 1\ e;I.' , :!~', ~" ;': .~ :( ., ,. " ,~' , '" , "r' '\\!,. , , , " . ::'. #6a page 9 grant tax abatement which it looks at this point that we probably wouldn't need to. That the increase tax base over the next six years in that area might very well be very significant in off setting the costs of those improvements. Throgl You know, I never understood the linkage of tax abatement with the roadway improvements out there. Kubby I It was just a dollar amount that was going through the exercise of the paper work and the legal. Throgl And I never understood that at all. It would seem to me that if there are costs imposed by developer surely we should just recoup those costs as a condition to the rezoning. Lehmani It happened to be about the same amount. Throgl We would do a tax abatement only if there was some public policy objective that we are trying to accomplish and I don't see the connection between a public policy objective and this particular rezoning. I am uncomfortable with that at the moment although I am open to some kind of compromise if we can find it. GentrYI I might interject here the assessment of Jeff Davidson and Planning of what the cost value of that impact is and how far it goes up First Avenue in either direction is not a science. It is an art so there is some-there has to be some room for pinning a dollar amount between $81,000 and whatever because the initial cost estimate was $81,000 as opposed to $100,000 and whatever. It depends on how far up you think and we can justify legally that the impact, in fact, occurs and is connected to that development. Nov I To me there is no question that a store that size and a parking lot that size has to impact the traffic. GentrYI Yes. The point is, you know, how much in dollar and that is an art, not a science. Pigottl It may be an art but I think it really does, especially the size that we are talking about. I don't know if people are clear about it but a grocery store larger than the Econofoods on the south side of town, not only would that affect the size of the intersection and the width of the road but it might also affect the character of the neighborhood and I just wonder aloud how many people in that neighborhood who rightly would like to see that area redeveloped and might indeed enjoy an Eagle Grocery store would like one so big in the neighborhood. F041294 .,... - , ,Q ) o ... . ..,jQ, ~ :1 1 'i z lIt. , a 0" " ..~) u wtm.- " \ r:'J ( I , , :,,1. \",~ ,J y ~" \l " " ,. Y I '" , "'t' ., \\"~ , . .....", 1 '" . :,' . ...',',.....,..-;",:' #6a page 10 Nov/ That is part of this. Because if this were a commercial zone on a highway, on Highway 1 or Highway 6 for example, where we already had a four lane road and turning lanes and traffic lanes it might seem more logical. But we are asked to put this into a neighborhood commercial zone and it is hard to say that there isn't going to be even more impact because it is a neighborhood commercial zone. Throg/ So I think there are two elements there. What I hear anyhow. One is the traffic element and the second is the loosely defined impact on the neighborhood both the residential and the commercial neighborhood out in the Towncrest area. It would seen to me that some form of conditions attached to the rezoning would be appropriate with' regard to trying to make a development like Eagles better for that neighborhood. I don't want to push any of the stuff that I really talked about last night but there is specific elements that could be included. Perhaps having a design review component, staff design review component that would require among other things requiring trees-for the parking lot to be vegetated with trees, shaded with trees, both in the interior and the surrounded area. And, let's see I have a couple of other points here, too. Perhaps also as a possibility a pedestrian bridge and a pathway for the north across Ralston Creek. Another possibility is multiple pedestrian entrances to Eagles building. And another possibility parking located on the rear of the store away from the street. Those are possibilities. I am not trying to pin anybody down on anyone of them. The general idea is a condition to rezoning might include a design review element by staff that tries to make the store and its fit with that neighborhood more friendly to the pedestrians, to the person on foot. Lehman/ Would this be an LSNRD. Gentry/ No, we don't have them anymore. Lehman/ That dates me. Gentry/ Yes it does, Ernie. Baker/ Jim, can I maybe consider a revision of the phrase design review and change it to site review. Is there a difference between building design and how it is laid out on the ground. I think those are your concerns primarily. And I understand what sort of site review power do we have anyway and in this conditional zoning as proposed. Franklin/ Lots. First of all there is a site plan review process F041294 '[- 0 .-- 'IT ',Q-~-) -.....- ..:..,4 , ... f I "~ , ,~ w Q) ~ ~b. mj:?i ~ , r \' ,c;:, \ , \ \ ~ T I I"~ ! I", I'{'. , 'i",., ~~ \~' iI" :,~ "';, I,' .- " I "-- JC , " " .' " J I , '..,". '1'.\1.', '" . ~' " ' 1 ',.', -. . " "-.'".,~~,,.."'..., .";,, ,,'-,..; ,. #6a page 11 for nay kind of commercial development that is of this size. It is fairly specific in term of what is looked at. It can be appealed to the P/Z Commission, We had one recently with an apartment building near Lakeside that you may have read about. The types of things that are looked at there. The trees that you are talking about, Jim, that is all required as part of the tree ordinance. It was required a part of the conditional zoning agreements in the draft that we are working with right now to have vegetative screening around the edges. The pedestrian bridge across the creek was not addressed. That is something to be put in. But you could do a conditional kind of zoning that had those sorts of attributes called out. We do have a site plan review process which is a matter of course and that looks at some screening, the traffic configurations, but it doesn't specifically get into compatibility issues. Those were deleted in the drafting of that ordinance. You could not through the site plan review process or the conditional zoning limit the size of the store I don't believe. We would have to look into that in terms of it being a legal question. Then what you are talking about is coming to the conflict with some of the rights given in the zoning and so that is a shaky area. You could look at compatibility issues through conditional zoning but I think it would need to then define what those were and if those are size for you. That is if the only way you could live with that would be with a 28,000 sq. ft. store which very few chains are building anymore then I think then we are getting into that legal question that we really need to evaluate. Throg/ If we are going to approve a 55,000 sq.ft. store plus another 12,000 feet of retail that we need to be thinking very carefully about how that blends in with that neighborhood. It is not a wonderful condition. We don't want to fool ourselves about that. But we can be creating something better and we have an opportunity here with regard to this store to helping make something better. Horow/ I am not sure how much more better means. In other words, if we are all interested in a smaller store then that is a problem right there. Pigott/ What we have to do is think about-we have all talked about how we think about the-what is the best use of the RFBH area. This land use. We also have to think about the best use of the other area, too, and neighbors in the area have called me and said yes this are is a very good area for commercial development. We would like to see some commercial development there. And they said we wouldn't mind seeing a grocery store. others have said that we would be afraid, however, that the expansion of the street, the increased traffic and just the F041294 ~.. , ,..~.,Q')>' o ... . ~ IQ i i5 ~d i.l~tim~J ,C ,-'I , , \l \~ ~,.' ,~ r I, 1 , " ,h' I"'. , , , :; ) '~ ~;l' f~'; ,;,:" \ \ ~" ,,~ \"'\~'L. I'"~ , . " --' ',[ I,., ,'" ,,' i', ., ~, )"'j ,:,~~: ' '. '.11" <, '" . . " .... ., r ."....:\..., ";..\ \ . . ,.' _ ...:- -..--.....--,..,',',...,..:..; ,.,.'-,. ,.~,""-<,, #6a page 12 car traffic through there would significantly alter what is now a residential style neighborhood and perhaps we should consider that not just I the design of this but what kind of business we want to occupy or sort of size wise what kind of business. Maybe grocery stores of 55,000 sq. ft. just aren't what we need in that area. Maybe we need other sort of retail or commercial development in that area instead. Throg/ What is missing in our part here is some larger picture about what we want to do to that entire intersection. Horow/ But it is also seems to me to be missing other proposers who are willing to come in and do what we want to do. Kubby / Well, I guess I want to get back to the issue at hand. Instead of zooming out I am going to zoom back in. The question that we are really being asked up tonight besides listening to the p.h. is is the offer, the relocation fund, the money for traffic improvement acceptable. Last night we said they were not acceptable that we needed more. There wasn't a contribution, basically, for traffic and I still want to see some of that offered. Maybe not the full $117 but maybe the $81,000, a smaller amount if there is a majority that says the answer to the land use question is that land should be commercial which I disagree with. If there is a majority for that use, I would want to work towards Eagles contributing to traffic as well as the full amount of at least $143,500. Last night we were kind of like at a tentative 3 and a tentative 3/4 and against changing and one person had decided. So I guess I want to continue the discussion about making the conditional zoning agreement as far as inclusive as possible before we close the p.h. Lehman/ I would agree. Nov/ That is certainly a reason to continue the p.h. Lehman/ One of the things and I disagree with you Bruno. I don't think that is a residential neighborhood. You look at Towncrest out there with Osco Drug. You have some apartments out there, dentist office, vacant gas station. That is not a residential neighborhood. Pigott/ But what is behind those. It is surrounded by residences. Lehman/ The corner of two arterial streets. What better place for commercial. Much better than residential. Pigott/ I don't disagree with you Ernie in that we could use commercial development there. I agree that that would be F041294 ...- - ,'..q,,),\ o .. ... . " , . i - ~, , B) ~I~ 16. ',':il{'~':(' , " '-"'1 i " I I: I II , I 'i i i [ , ~: I : f". ! ( "~"', ~, il~ . i',\' " " ""r' "~'I ': _....\..;. .' .,,' jl, .' , . '. "'t' , "Il' -',', I . ;,,, ,.~. . " " '" , " "".i\ , , ~'., . ';~' , . .' ," _.__, ~..... "''-~''~ ,~..":._.._,'.-;.,,..:-,l:r '~',::.~',:;:!:~',;~:',; ". '-.~ ,'.'. .. '-c.'_'","h' .1 ... ~ " ,',. - ,...". ,...-',.'".'",".', ',.,.. ~,.,--.._".~...~..._- _ ,;._...-... #6a page 13 good. And I am not disagreeing with that. I am just questioning the size of the development of the commercial property in the area. Baker/ We talked about this last night whether one of these large mega stores was appropriate for that area. I am not concerned about the size of that development if it is laid out on land in a way that mitigates a lot of those factors and that is what the site review process and this conditional zoning can do. I said last night and I will say it again tonight I like the relocation funds. I think that is appropriate. I think it is appropriate that is there are costs to the city on infrastructure that has to be accelerate in its time schedule to be built that it ought to be paid for by the developer and with those two conditions and a site review a 50-55,000 sq. ft. store doesn't bother me. Kubby / You are saying $150,000 relocation and the appropriate amount- Baker/ I would advocate whatever the amount is that we have to spend to make the changes on the corner. That is what I would advocate. We have 3 votes for something else and nobody else can make up their mind. I will go with it. Throg/ By full amount I think you mean Eagle's share of the amount of making those kind of transportation improvements. You don't mean the total cost of widening First Avenue. Baker/ No, the initial cost. Lehman/ Well, what are we talking about fund wise. We are talking about $81 or $110,000. In that we are going to do it anyway I would favor if we could work something out with Eagles a compromise where we pay what we consider to be our fair share given the opportunity and get this thing on the road. Kubby/ I don't think we need to come up with a dollar figure. I thin]{ what we need to do is send them a message that we feel that Eagles has a share of responsibility in those traffic improvements and at least the amount of the relocation funds or and the amount of relocation funds that you have already described. And that there needs to be some more talk and the amounts that come back may not be acceptable to us and therefore we cannot approve the conditional zoning agreement. Horow/ I already heard that as coming back to us. Kubby/ Well, we heard tonight that this is the final offer and it did not include nay traffic improvement money. So if that F041294 ,(~_ 0 ._--~ l; -- . J....'...' ,", .\,:', ,,", " ,',,'," \'" ",.,', . ~ , " . ~ ' "/',,,:" " I' IS \ 10:, ,'!...~Ci' ',\ (..~ I ,\ ,-'\ \ ' \, \ ~ ""(, : i I If , ,~' , . , : '\ I"" \~~I .:1' , I '-- (-_..~-- ,. " ,~, i '" , '" , '1\\1'1 " ',", , ". " . " , ,. ..', 1..- ~ ...;,~'. .._. #6a page 14 really is the final offer then there is no sense in continuing the p.h. If there is some room for some additional conversation, even though I don't like the idea of having this go on forever, mostly because I believe the stress on the tenants has been very- Baker/ That is why I want to go back to the point I made earlier that indeed if we decide that this is what we would like and the developer says this is what we want, we can't reach an agreement, we, as a council, therefore have a responsibility, I think, to provide some sort of assistance for relocation if those people want to move. Kubby/I don't want to say that there are more options than saying people have to move. To go in and start talking with the trailer court owners where is it that your expenses are more than your income. Are there water conservation issues that tenants can do that can really decrease the bills that the trailer court owner has. There are things there that are costs that are making it unprofitable that he can't afford to run it. There are some things that we can do something about and some things we can't. But we haven't begun this conversation. I don't think just kicking people out of their homes is the answer. Baker/ Wait a minute, Karen. Nobody advocated kicking people out of their homes. We advocated not leaving those people in a lurch thinking that if this deal doesn't go through and conditions change so dramatically that they can't afford to stay in that spot that they don't have any resources that were promised them in the initial arrangement here. I think that we have an obligation that if this doesn't come through and that conditions change to such an extent that those people are forced or have to leave. Nov/ I think that having this serious condition, the deteriorated condition of this mobile home park brought to our attention gives us a certain responsibility. A certain enforcement of housing standards or whatever we want to call it. I think we have come to the point where we may not have known about the serious deterioration of this mobile home park before but because this rezoning has come up we are all aware and if we keep this as residential we have to do something in terms of safe housing enforcement. So we are going to one way or another have some city responsibility here. Throg/ I think that is right. Lehman/ Phil, can we talk, not asking you to promise anything but can we talk and continue this think until our next meeting. F041294 - ..'J: "Q. ):: ..- I ... I I . - ~", ~[j '..-, ,"',\", ,~', "J(~' r.-' , , \ ' I ,II .' H ...... ' r;~,;- ( , ., " I I , I i I , ~: , I', '~. i I, : I , I ~'_:';';' , ' ~ ' ~"'" .~. " , " "l, " " (,0rl'. r", " L.A {( " :. -'.;-.:::r-"""T o " At. I, / '" , , "1(' ,. \\!:~ , .. '\.' , ." ,~ ..,;! , """'. , ' , . . . , .,,_,_,,___,~.,'''''''.~', ~,.._u"..:.-..;.., ,~, " ... . ...'.:,.,;.''','''~'--,,~,., '.._.,._,_,.:_.,.4__._ #6a page 15 No promises, no nothing, just talk. Because I think we have come so far since the last meeting that we have had to continue this I really think there is-I think we can do this but I really think we need to talk. Phil Leff/ We can talk. It would be helpful if we- Yes, we can talk. We talked to staff, we talked to other people and then we come to council and we aren't talking to the people who are going to make the decision. Sure we can talk. If someone said, maybe Mr. Throg. or Mr. Baker, that maybe the city should put some money in the relocation fund. Gentry/ I agree. Leff/ If it is a partnership and the city is going to be a partner financially, then that will-what money is shifted from there to street relocation. Kubby/ I very strongly disagree with that because if the zoning request had not come in no one would have had to be relocated. Leff/ I think it is a land use decision that shOUld be made on land use basis but I though that from the very start but it has not-it has never kept itself at a simplified issue. You have said we will consider a land use question if you will find the answer to these questions. will you do something to help these people relocate and Eagles has gone out and busted their fannies to find some way to help relocate it. We have-you have heard that we have a better position for the tenants and the tenants and the mobile home court owner positions. We have done and maybe we can come further, Ernie, to do that. Lehman/ I think we should talk and make a decision. At the next meeting that is it, we do it. Leff/ But we need to be able to talk to find to what it is that you want and what we can talk. We are going to come back here in two weeks and we are going to be saying well we have talked to staff and we have talked to this and then we are going to get up and you are going to tell us about something else. Horow/ You realize you can't talk to four of us at the same time. We can't do that. Kubby/ Do you want $117,000 or $80,000 for traffic control. Lehman/ Since we have already planned improvements at this intersection in maybe the year 2001. Because we have planned those I think that we should perhaps share in that cost. F041294 _1:1 .- )" , , " f7>. , ,', " , ~ ,I'",.,,' I IS :' ',' ~ , ~O, , ", t .. ",' , ,.;.' ~. ,.",.', . ,'.' . "t' . . '.-\!, ~ ',' .. '" , .. , .", 1 ". . . . ,--"+ ,,_--~-""- ...,~.. ""'-'.,', '., ;.';, , "-".-.. ,. '>..."'_..___._,..,'.....A._...._. #6a page 16 Leff/ Yes, I think so, too, obviously. If we waited until the year 2001 and improvements were in and then we came in with the project of whoever comes in they are going to have a facility there and not have paid any part. Horow/ Excuse me, just one minute, I would like Ms. gentry to comment on what we ar doing here. Gentry / I realize the emotion of the whole thing but I need to remind you that you can extract money from the developers for the traffic impact. You cannot and I think you ought to appreciate that the money being offered on the relocation is not legally obligated and it is a moral obligation that they are trying to fulfill an you ought 0 take that seriously. Horow/ The question before us is strictly the land use changes. The p.h. either has to close based on where we stand on this or be continued in terms of wanting to look at this. What is your pleasure. Baker/ I am quite willing to continue the hearing. Pigott/ I would continue the hearing as well if we think it is productive. . , r " -, Lehman/ I would move that we continue it until the 26th. Kubby/ In the interim, Mr. Leff is saying we need to know what you want because all we will do is come back here in two weeks and have a similar conversation unless we give a little bit more specific direction. I think we need to continue this conversation at least a little bit to give them something more concrete. \ Lehman/ That is what I want is concrete for the roads. It depends on who is going to pay for it and how much and I think some consideration should be made on the part of the city. Last night you said hey, no tax abatement, you pay the total amount. I don't think that is quite fair. Throg/ But Ernie, we are already intending to put money into that road. Am I right steve. You correct me if I am wrong. ~ ; r , if i I i I , ~, ," Atkins/ You are right. Throg/ So the city money into improvements. is intending to invest a substantial amount of widening First Avenue and making other I , , , ',1 0- ": J Lehman/ What is the cost of improvements. F041294 I" " ~, , ;i, r, (' " 0 '\" -------.----------'- _r ".-9,' ), " ... 0". .' ~IS ' 10 .,':.'", .'" , ',\. ~', , " ~.(\ II \ ) " I I , I I I 1 , ~\ i i , , , , , 1 ~~ ~ ~ ':(d 0 ., ",' ')::'j, ':." ,..t'\I' , " . , .' .'" '. ,', , , , '-." . ," , -, , '. ' -'.' ~.... '-""-' -, ~'" ,;...:., , -_.-~,-- ;,. #6a page 17 Atkins/ The total project. I got it right here at my finger tips. Approximately a million dollars. KUbby/ We get $117,000. Baker/ And the city is also participating in the other problem here which is relocation. We are in the process of providing some sort of place for these people to go to. We are participating in that as well. Lehman/ To what extent are we participating. Throg/ Time. Kubby/ The $117,000 for traffic improvement that were in all of the memos. That was a number that was come up by staff as what there is a rationale for that number. ' Atkins/ Yes there was, Karen, that is correct. Kubby/ I think that is a number we should stick with. Leff/ And what Mr. Leff said is that their report indicated $81,000. Gentry/ It is debatable. Throg/ So there is a range there. Gentry/ There is a range. Nov/ And somewhere in that range there is a possible compromise. Pigott/ So our direction is to discover this range of contribution from Eagle in terms of the infrastructure improvement. Nov/ Bruno, I don't think we need to discuss this tonight. I need we need to indicate that we are willing to accept a compromise within that range and then let them think about it and see if they want to come up with something wi thin that range. I think we can probably just vote to defer. Kubby/ If they come up with something in the range it is going to be $81,000. If we know right now that this is not acceptable we can tell that. Throg/ One other smaller point, I think we did, some of us, did talk about having site review as one of the condition on the rezoning. F041294 --~--_:= - .- .: )'.:' , ',""', .< 1;\, ,,", ' ;,' .,' ,'" ... . - i .If,;. .. ~) i " lti, ", ' , " ,:~~:!J .,- , ,\ c \ \ ~ : i I " I I I I I b , I'" Ii c l,j \'~1M W i' .( " ,',' " ~;)' ~' " '" , 'It' ,.",.-\\!,. " , ',' I ", , . ":'-.. ,,' \ ~.'-,I. , ... . . . ,... ,,"~"--','" .'" ",,,,,',""'.",""':"" ,':_'" ....~'.. ~ " ',\ #6a page 18 ~, ~~ ~:~ ~ Pigott/ That is a given. Horow/ There is a motion and a second, Baker/Pigott-you made the motion (Lehman/Pigott). The motion was to continue this until-would you like time definite. Atkins/ A question of clarification. Are you instructing wither me or Karin to do something. Gentry/ No, they are instructing Marsha to do something. Kubby/someone will have to be involved in negotiations with Eagles on this traffic dollar amount. Atkins/ If you would like us to represent your interests I need to know what your interests are. Horow/ Here we go again. Atkins/ I am afraid so. Horow/ People, we have got to come to a clear- Pigott/ I thought we were pretty clear. (}) Throg/ We were trying to express our interests clearly so that- Atkins/ If I can repeat you interests. $143,000 whatever that is is acceptable with respect to relocation. That there is no tax abatement. That a intersection improvement which is estimated to be approximately $117,000 or there abouts is expected. NOV/ No. pigott/ Yeah, with room for negotiation. Atkins/ If you want me to negotiate I need is difficult obviously to do this. there. I to have some idea. It They are sitting out Throg/ As far as the traffic impact and the costs associated with that we have two numbers that we have talked about: $81,000 and $117,000. ~ Atkins/ You have an expectation of a contribution of traffic impact of some fashion n the neighborhood of anywhere from $80,000 to $120,000 approximately. That is the expectation. Lehman/ The expectation that you represent us as well as you can. F041294 -v- - ---- ,<,q,) liS' rd' o - ~J{.~:,/' : . :;.:-"" " """;,t:" .:' '~~:~t ::, "" ~ .. ," .,\1.',.-, ".,4.;:" " "j', 1 , i ,I "'~' , , '<./' '. ,'. ... '. . , .." , ", , , ' . . '. '., ; ::"_, ,',:,:i,~~;~:"_:",",,,,,,,":~:';';"~(;j.;:-""s:t...::.:.:::.:,~,,:,,-:~t.J.:.;;,n~,~,:',i.:!.,'.c~"~'",,,~,,:,..,~~:~:..~_~.:..._-:.;,~:.~' <, I ! #6a page 19 " Atkins/ I have to bring you back something that stands a chance otherwise two weeks from now you will have the same discussion except it will be a proposal that either Karin or I have fashioned and you will be mad at us rather than them and I prefer you mad at them. Kubby/That range and we should call steve and Karin and tell them where in that range. We are at a disadvantage in a public forum. And by saying that range why should they go above the bottom part of the range. Atkins/ It is your expectation that we will represent your interests in the next two weeks on this issue. By the meeting of the 26th you will have something in writing whether they accept it or reject it this matter is dead and over. Okay. I,' ' 'i Horow/ All those in favor of this motion signify by saying aye (ayes) . Moved by Kubby, seconded by Throg (to accept correspondence). All those in favor signify by saying aye (ayes). Kubby/ I guess I want to apologize to the residents of Towncrest for taking us so long to figure this out. I know it is really hard to know what is going to happen with your lives but we are trying to figure out the best thing and I am sorry it is taking so long. CD " \ :" ,;II' 1 " \ \ ~ { , I " , I ~, " ,I, , I~" I . ,I U ;<',;j 1 ":,r, F041294 ," ~' 4' ~,' ,;r I~;, .',1 ': ~ :( '0 J",:, :11 " " .": "" .'. .,<;,^,.. ',:,: ", ~ ..' , ' ~q, ' I,! ", " '\:I ,'",,'."', ~;' \ .... .,.""","."'"',.'..,),,, , ,"..;.......;'; "..."" ,.,,'. ,....::.' F~:' ., \. '\, ':.. "''':;'g,,:lti: ".1 ,'.'",'......";.."",,,,1', " " m:!::! , ,\ ( [ , \~~ \; ~ r i' I" I I I I ~' I. , , , I ~il~) \~; '.~" " ~ ( \ .,.. 0 ., ~.' ,II ,,' "1, '''Ii " '~, I ',' . '" , . ~", , '~"1 , . " , ...., ".',,_,,_"".'h'_,.,j'., ,< <, -~- #6b page 1 Horow/ (#6b) As I understand it this was deferred to P/Z's April 21 meeting. Is that correct. Okay. P.h. is open. Craig Willis/ I am a real fan of local government. I am hear to read you a selection of body limericks of my own composition and compliment you on your new furniture. Not to mention to bring to you the thoughts on the subject at hand that appears throughout the agenda tonight on my commercial resident the South Side neighborhood Redevelopment area. I do that on behalf of a group that I have worked with for two years, the D.T. expansion Task Force, the Chamber of Commerce. I add a quick caveat to that because as you know the Chamber is a body with a board that approves positions and some of what I say to you has not had time to go to the Board and be approved by the Board. Some of it has and I will identify the portion. Briefly the recommendations that the task force partially endorsed by the Board I bring to you are 1-reaffirm your strong support, historically, of the concept of the expansion of d.t. in the sense that we use it in Iowa city. 2-Go ahead and approve the tax abatement of proposition that are a bird in a hand. An economic development project that is near fruition and finally, this is the part that does not have board sanction but has been reviewed with members of the executive committee of the board, do not adopt any sort of different exaction in respect of commercial parking in that area different than what is currently available. A brief description of rational is in order. D.t.-d.t. is not just a collection of businesses. Of retail and office. It is more to us in Iowa city. It is a community asset. It is certainly the commercial center. It is also the center of the provision of a number of our important public services. The public library is there, the Senior Center is there, here we are in the civic Center. It is an important aspect of public service provision as well. A good portion of it is in effect a park. Something that we all ought to be proud of. It is that too. It is our transportation hub for mass transportation and it is a center of very unique residential areas too. And it is that synergy that ought to be promoted by seeking to replicate it to the extent that we can. Where this policy issue came up the first time some other factors became pretty clear. If you look at the geography of d.t. it is constrained. There is not a lot of places to move. You knew all of this. I didn't intend this. But, south is the easiest way to go. So, the natural tendency also you might as well stay. If you look out my window that is on the corner of Court and Dubuque Street you look around what happens is that it tends to grow in residential ways. So, if the policy to promote the expansion of d. t. then some sort of incentives are appropriate. All right, that gets us to sort of where we are now. Having been confronted with the tax abatement issue which the council F041294 -..~ H - ,q']" -- ... . "......:.."'--.....- ~ I I 8 ['J' , i' 5 ~~ 0 ' " . " ,~~r,.. ,," ,-,.,'1' . ',," ,~ ..........i , . [ ,.\ \ CJi , I, \ ' \ l~ " .::.0-, ; \ , I " ' I I : ! I ! ~; I I' , I I !! i ~l..j '-" " Y'( r.::') tlt ~ ,. Vr !H~,f _....\.:: ',C-o " j,; ,--- - ., ..,- ',~' ,,',. ' . ':~t,\t, ~ ','~ . , ''..' '..'. " " , "'... ~ 1 '~..' "., . U'4_~::~~":'~ .:.._,.. #6b page 2 presented with the proposition has reacted with a resounding maybe in reference to this and a resounding maybe with an asterisk in back on this and is to the parking. All right does this particular group that I speak for say don't change the parking rules that presently exist on that. First of all look at it from an historic land use notion. How do we deal with parking in the central business area, the CB-l0 area I believe it is designated now. Parking is prohibited on site. It is now also provided by ramps, publicly built, publicly financed rams which we either like them or we don't like them. But historically that is the way we have done it. Fiscally, as you well know, the parking fund is one of your enterprise funds. It is the government acting in its proprietary sense. you charge people money. You are acting as a business in that regard. That-and it has worked. It has worked. There is no suggestion that the fiscal engine does not work to provide the sorts of parking in the d.t area that ought to be there. Two models which we suggest that might apply to the new policy area, too. Speaking about the issue of the fact that this is proprietary parking that is, proprietary government function. That also suggests a reason why it might not be an appropriate concept to apply an impact analysis. Personally I have always thought highly on impact analysis as a innovative kind of government financing. It was a way to enhance government resources. But here is a situation where the impact is upon a service that the government is going to charge to get. So it seems to me that one of two things is going to happen. Either the merchant or developer who bears the original cost passes it on or eats it. One of those two. Passes it on then the person who parks pays twice. Pays twice in the increased costs of goods and services and slugs the quarter into the meter or whatever form of publicly financed availability there is. If the developer or an intermediary has to eat the charge then it is a disincentive to doing it. It is a disincentive in an area where there is suppose to be incentives for a particular use. So, we suggest particularly when you look in light of the fact that this is not all how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. This is a real project here. Think hard about imposing impact analysis on this particular service. So, again, reaffirm the basic concept expand the d.t., approve the tax abatement, and then do not adopt at this time the changes in the parking impact. Thanks. Baker/ craig, can I ask you a question. Willis/ You may. Baker/ You sort of expect this. Urn, I just want to repeat something that I said at an earlier p.h. when a representative from the Chamber came up that I understand your capacity here F041294 - -' . ) ", '. ,... . . .,;;:', ~ ~ "", , '. , 0 "."',"" , ... . ... i, is I i ,f '- I' 0, .'1 ", .....;, t:. ~i..'l!}'.- " ~ ' ,> ., " i". "f' '\,\1,', ", .. :~, '" , " <, ":;, , , , '~... , ,~,;.-- ~', ,;,:, <;', ~ :,.~~ _:.:..., ,...... -.- #Gb page 3 representing a particular part of that. That the Chamber itself I would suspect is not in consensus over this issue. The Chamber membership. Willisj If you mean by consensus unanimity I would suggest it is the same as the council on- Bakerj 50j50 CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 94-59 SIDE 2 Bakerj In another meeting but I want to bring it up specifically because you made the connection between this zone, the CB-5 zone, and the CB-10 zone. Willisj Yes. Bakerj And made the comparison. We do indeed restrict parking in the CB-lO and provide public parking and it is working. Do we provide tax abatements in the CB-10 zone. Willisj But you haven't changed anything. The notion is that the premise of this as I have been following is that it is a value worth expending to expand the area to reflect the increased population, the increased activity and all that sort of thing. And that there needs to be carrots. ,C'" ..-0;-,:1, \\ , ) I :~ Bakerj There is obviously more than one premise involved in this whole debate. And part of the debate centers around the question of when does an incentive become diluted by disincentive so that it is neutralized, negated, wasted. That is one of the questions that this council will have to deal with. Indeed, I fully recognize that an impact fee and a parking requirement is a what I would consider in the context of a larger plan a minimal disincentive in the context of a plan that offers a major incentive. That is one of the things that I would argue in this case. Something else, speak as an indi vidual now as ad. t. business person. Which would be better for us to grant a tax abatement in that area, forget the parking impact fee, parking requirement and just let the tax abatement itself work. Or should we indeed go ahead and build a new parking ramp somewhere south of Burlington to help spur development there. In other words what if we just built the ramp and forgot the tax abatement. willisj Sort of a Field of Dreams with that parking ramp. Build it and they will come, cars will come and people will come and spend money. My notion is that that is not enough. That is not enough. Look out my window. That is the test I have. I have an empirical test with reference to this and since the ," . :'~I( , , \! I~ I: I !: I', I !! , I I I I~, ! I' i J c I, \,,~;;'" , VI' ,!t . " l~(~:~."'.. ".' ~,l ~'l" "'~" -..'\.... F041294 G' : 0 "; ~--,---,._---~~-_. -- ~ ,,- J.',,: \ , , - , .',...0. ,!', .i, ... . ... I " I ~ " I 15 110 ,'..,,,',j " " . - '~': '~I ',\ &.~.?l-"",'.. I' ..,,'" " /c-r' I, (~\ ''l. : :~:. ' . I . If " . : I l\i~'I.."'"," \...:..... , ~~r :)l'~;~i L;,r~' , l' ~1"! .-"- :( 0 " ... Y'l , ,;.':::~t~XI":i : ..,. - . ',.'.. , .' ',~' , '.",', ~ 'W,'t'" ", " . ,',' ,_..,.. ,,"," .,~ '~'_'~""_U_"'__ ,'~,__ , ',' :.' , ,. .-.''''.'''_._'-'''~''-'' #6b page 4 passage of that original policy one project, one project. Nice looking, nice neighbor, doesn't look like d.t. Do you want d.t. That is the question. Do you want something like d.t. Kubby/ We are making a distinction because we didn't zone it CB-10. So we are making a distinction from d.t. Baker/ And we do want higher density. Willis/ Semantic I would argue. I would argue that it is basically semantic and perhaps that is the semantics that we need to deal with is where along the line you want to be. If you want to make such impositions on developers, it would seem to me, I am not a developer, I am not going to make any money in this. I am a tenant in a building. But it seems to me that if you put enough disincentives on developers there is not going to be any development. Throg/ craig, it is very easy to engage on hyperbole though I am not saying that you just did. I think you have the capability and capacity to engage in it. But what I gather that the tax abatement that we have been talking about is $1.3 million and I think that the parking impact fee for that same project would be on the order of $130,000. Now if $130,000 would kill that project, then it shouldn't be built. willis/ I am put in mind of a Shel 5ilversteen poem that I used to read to my daughter and it is about the alligator who visited the dentist with a toothache. And the alligator had the toothache and the dentist could not locate the tooth and so extracted a whole bunch of teeth and the dentist said what is one more alligator tooth more or less. So it depends on your point of view. If you are the dentist it might not make any difference at all. But if you are the alligator it makes a difference. So I am suggesting that if you are looking at those things and if you think that those projects are not budgeted to the point where they are sensitive enough that a $100,000 doesn't make a difference, that is wrong. It is wrong. Lehman/ Craig, I heard Larry say and not questioning you except that I have heard a fair number of Chamber folks who opposed tax abatement. I have not talked to one Chamber person who is in favor of a parking impact fee. Baker/ It is a good distinction, I appreciate it. So if we just debated the tax abatement issue- Lehman/ Your inference was that the Chamber was divided on a F041294 -- .- ~ - "L.o),.,'..' ',',' ",.,':",', ,: t:... ' ',~ ' , \ ... 1 . I .f " I i I I I , I ". &. l \-,) I .', "', ,.' , 1:0, ',.." J:.ii~la', ' ~.. ',. ," 1(- i ..< oF~__ J . , , jr7"'; r' ,~ ,\ ! ,-" \ \ \1 ~ m..'" .:.r . II' ~ i : I ! I J i I j ~ , 1 fC '~. .~' ;~;: ,~'" ' !' ,.: '" ,.'\t;;;'I. . , " ~~ - , " I, ,,',. "t', 1 "", '-...., . , . , ' :~:~:.._.,_~:...... .'.".. -:..',:"'"-~..~;~.:-.",::"",,,,-,,;,:;;;; ,i~;I.:.:.~. :';'-,::'::~,>:';,,:.i.:-,.;,~ " l I , .... I 'f' ';..',.. '.'-0,"';"" , , ,. . ...v:.,',"'-,.""",'.:...,~'......,.~.._~~_._,___,:..:..__., ' , #6b page 5 parking impact fee. I don't think that is true. Willis/ I think that is an accurate statement but we don't know. Baker/ Craig's position about the tax abatement that is what I hope to make clear. Craig something else I think the public and the Chamber also need to keep in mind is that this is not a consideration just for the simple fact to have the tax, to have the impact fee, just for the sake of having one. You talked about the city investing, the city government investing gin that area. We plan to invest in that area. Plans have been discussed at this level in public that if they come to fruition will cost hundreds of thousands of dollars of city money to help redevelop that area. To make it exactly what you want it to become which is an extension of the d. t. , something compatible to the d.t. north of Burlington. It is not simply the case of us taking, taking, taking. We are going to reinvest in that area. This is part of that process of this public private cooperation and quite honestly we are going to spend more money down there than we get as far- Willis/ Let's not get confused about whose money it is. It is all of our money. You and I know that you are talking about it that way. The council is spending the collective public funds and we are talking about collective public good and- Baker/ And there will be very specific commercial good as well. Willis/ Don't forget though that private development, if you enhance private development, it costs the tax payer less money. I would imagine it would cost developers less to do the things that the city would do. Baker/ I would be glad to sit down and talk to you about it. Willis/ You need to think about it. Horow/ Do we have anymore questions for Craig. It is fun. willis/ I am having a great time. I love this. Baker/ craig, did you pick up your application papers for Charter Review. willis/ Sure, hit me on the knee with a hammer will you. Thank you all. Clyde G~llaume/ There is actually only a few things. I guess I just want you to reconsider why the South Side Redevelopment Plan is adopted. It was again to encourage development on F041294 -. .. ) "".. , ,,',' .' ...",,".: ., " <''-'', - .'," ,:,,:,<..'::,9,';.:.:: I I I J , J . ,I 15 10:. , , .',...",,,; ".',- ., ~4TI1 ",,',\ " ~ ",~~: ,'r: , .. " . "'.,', , . . ... .R..., .", , . "~"'''~'" . ..'. ",," .".''"......',.,....-. I' #6b page 6 ~ that side. Craig made that point. Reasons behind making it a CB-5 zone were the cost effectiveness of developing in that area. To require parking on those sites is not good economic- it does not make good economic sense for those developers. You ask if $130,000 could kill a project of this size, when was the last time any of you developed a building in this area. When have you tried to purchase land in this area. When have you looked at the financing for a building in this area to know that that does not affect the project. These are the questions that you really have to look at if you are going to start implementing fees on this particular area. Planning, your development and planning, city development and planning made recommendations to staff before the city who does look at things like this has made recommendations that you choose to ignore or choose to change at this point in time. CB-5 zone was implemented to encourage development in this area. It is not going to happen at this time without the addition of the tax abatement. Again because of the cost of development in this area are too high to do the developments and also provide parking and parking impact fees. Yes, there is a fine line between success on a project. $130,000 may be that fine line on this particular project. It may be $80,000 or $50,000 on another project. In addition you talk about putting the funds back into this area. How many of the businesses extending d.t., I don't know how many of the businesses have agreed that this is a good thing to block off Dubuque street if that is your plan and put those impact fees or whatever back into the project. That it is a good idea for those businesses who are going to be directly impacted by the area. Baker/ That is part of the process that we are going to go through. Gillaume/ It is part of the process but you are stating this is what we are going to do is put it back in and I believe that if we allow the development to take place, as craig pointed out, it may well exceed anything the city can do on its own. You got to let free market work for itself if we want development to increase tax revenues. That is what the tax abatement does. We don't penalize the project again by now implementing parking requirements and parking impact fees. i I I , I' I i I () r I. I ,\, -" \ ' \ \ ........ r,:~ Baker/ The very fact that we would put a tax abatement in means that we are trying redirect- ~ , , I I ~~, I' ! i, , I \'" "J !~ ~f{~ L_, Gillaume/ You are trying to encourage it to happen now because the community needs it now and fiscally and financially it is not possible under normal circumstances for it to happen right now. But the community does need it. That is what the tax abatement does. It increases also the tax revenues for the city now to expand on other projects that you would like to F041294 ,('- ...-- - ".. --- - ), I rei. 0 Q ....~ : .. ~ ~~' ~, ',~' i '" , : ','~t ~\i ',': ~. " ',., ".' ~ 1 '\... ... . . " " , " , , ,.:'_1...,,: :.'..,'_":<~~_.-,_ ..,. . .-.,..,.-....", ".,.",;.".",. ,.,.'.."....', "'"."...,,,,- - #6b page 7 do. Pigott/ So it is appropriate for the city to do things which would benefit the community in using economic tools to encourage that sort of sort of thing. Is that what you are saying. Gillaume/ That is correct. Pigott/ And another thing that might benefit the community is what Larry is saying is something like an impact fee which is another economic tool the city would use to encourage the development of a parking ramp. I ,~ , Gillaume/ That was not the intent of the impact fee is pay for the parking ramps when the parking system itself is flush in this community and supplements the transit system. That is not a logical argument if you are going to draw on that. He is just saying well we are drawing an impact fee to pay for the parking ramps but the city is going to put more back into the redevelopment of the area. That is another subject and I don't want to get off on it. Horow/ I would remind council that we have got a lot of people to hear this evening. Let's limit our discussion to questions rather than debate the situation. Anybody else. John Rummelhart/ And I just want to get my two cents worth in. If you really want to develop this area my suggestion would be to allow parking on site if it is acceptable along the city's design standards and go from 1% up to 100% on site. I firmly believe that if that option is available that that in itself can enhance and would enhance economic development of this area. Both businesses and the customers are going to come to those facilities in which they can park where it is most convenient. That is the name of the game. We own a small parcel of ground adjacent to that large development taking place, the Rebel Plaza. That has got a lot of parking. It has got a few surface ground parking right now and you talk to any of those businesses, the few businesses that are in that spot and why are they there. Their customers can drive up to the door. Those little old ladies can come up and get their hair done. Their customers can run in a and get their insurance taking care of in a minute because it is right there. That is what is keeping those tenants in this building. I don't think anybody has thought too much about that particular option. It is a debate of whether to have it or not or are we competing with the city as far as parking revenue. I mean if I can build a building, be smart enough, innovative enough to do it and get my parking on site which would be agreeable to the city staff and to you folks, why in <D , , id ! . r I I !' ~ " , I , I I I I , , , ' I ;-':J J F041294 )~.. \', l', ^" , '- G. .-- , 0 ; _ lULl -) , \ I, ~ ~d. " Q i " ~ "' - ,'I t:. ,~m , - 1:..'-'... r ,\ ~''\ \\ \\ ii :r"!1 I 'I ~ I" I, I I! I I ! II i I k' I I' , , I \, ! \1,;- \ '-' .. , , '~"~. ~:: \; I ..' ~" i:~~.I~ 'l,i;'\l L._-'\..~ r( " ,~.. ..;-' , '''~t:\i'' ~ ','l,.. , .' " , " . , .' ~ ". . ':' . , , ..,.....-'"_c,.:...,,.--'-,,'....___._,..,_... #6b page 8 the world would you restrict parking on my parcel. Horowj Excuse me. I have to question do you mean underground or you certainly don't mean use of surface parking. Rummelhartj I would not want to restrict that potential use depending on how it was designed into a particular building. If you can totally hide parking I don't care if it is 20 stories high with a beautiful building around it, I don't have a problem with it. Perhaps you would but I don't think I would if it can be placed in a particular project in a way that would be permissible or enhance the rest of the area. Horowj I don't mean that it wouldn't be designed acceptable. I am talking about looking at the best use of that land. Are you telling us that you would use some of the surface for parking or you would provide parking on that site in a different manner. Rummelhartj On this particular site we would definitely be looking at underground parking totally. Although expanding upon that these I think that the use of space on different size lots where they are located on ground level and higher level parking on an interior part of a building which would make the area more desirable, economically desirable for both businesses, for the office people and those people that are trying to get to those services. I think it is a big plus. Kubbyj The ordinances that we are talking about though is that the developer, commercial developer, is responsible for 100% of parking. Up to 50% of it can be on site. Didn't we do that one or was it 100%. We didn't decide yet. Bakerj That is residential. The proposal is considering 25j75. 25% on site and 75%. Rummelhartj I want to forget about nay of the ratios. If- Kubbyj You think it should be 100% allowable on site. Rummelhartj 100% allowable if it works. If it is zero that should be okay too. If it is an extension and the d.t. is heading south, the only way to go. For many years now everybody has known that. Those businesses, if it is their choice, if it is the developers choice not to have nay parking and they think will work for them let them go for it. Throgj John, what I hear you saying is that basically asking a question: why think about a parking impact fee. Why think about building a public garage. Why not let some entrepreneur F041294 , . L h.. = ,Ql) , \ o ".. . .... ~ i '} c.. I'l ~,} 10' " " . ,,' ,,~l1.i!'l' .. \,'.fi '" , ",'r', .,/ '.'\',' . .~. , ,:..'\ , ..' . . ':~ '. . . "'-'. ;," ~ A' <.,..;.. '..' ..., ,.,.".. -; ..,J,' ,":',:~:' .:. ; . ~ ',.~,; ~ ,::',~, ,;',~ ',. ,.- " " ,: - ,'"',';:",.., #6b page 9 build privately a commercial available parking garage. Rummelhart/ Not necessarily. That would be another option that actually I did bring up at the P/Z meeting earlier this week or late last week or whenever it was. That is a whole other option, too, which would happen I think somewhere down in that neck of the woods if somebody could pull it off. What is so bad about that. I don't know. You go to chicago, Go to New York. What do you see. You see a lot of private lots. What do you see. They charge a lot of money. More power to them. They go sell the piece of property and be out of there and the could have a building. i i " KUbby/Expensive car parking. Horow/ Are there any other questions for John. Rummelhart/ Okay. Thank you. The last thing consider not restricting the parking, allow it if it will work, and don't penalize anyone for being able to come up with a design and a plan which would allow up to 100% parking requirement on site. Thanks. Horow/ Is there anyone else who would like to address council on this issue. Q) ~ " ..\ r ' \ \ ~ ; I' i I" , I , i I Karin Franklin/ I would just like to clarify what is before you. You have a parking requirement at one space to 900 sq. ft. And then in the parking facility impact fee the direction that you gave us at your last council meeting when you set the p.h. was to have it 100% flexible. That is that that developer could choose how much to have on site, how much to pay into the parking fee. Okay. Kubby/ That the per space fee would be $2,000. Franklin/ That is correct. i~" Horow/ Okay. Frank Wagner/I am a real estate agent in town and I have spoke to this council before a number of years ago on some of my view points on d. t. parking. My vie\~ point on this particular question is if you want that area to be d.t. why don't you zone it d. t. And I personally think it would end a lot of the problems that came up today. The second thing is is that I also believe that you have a real conflict between your concern with d.t. parking and your city bus system which I think is suffering seriously on this. You are inviting cars to come d. t. and no one talces the bus. The second thing is no I i: i: . I ~, F041294 'v 'I l ' " . ,.:q.". I ~: )'fi "",.:1. .' 6~', I '--' ,(--~~ - -- :' )i I 10, ,,:,Q,., is " " .mn, 1',;, I " I, I I II I I~, I' ! J ;-..1./ , If f "~' . Ii ,i!Jd .." I :,..1,"'.'.'. I" 't~ f" il';;'Jl -'i!,'ffl. ._~.......; ~(: .? . ,'...', , '-., ... . . , ' , .1 '. ,~:;..,-,-,~'. -~-,,",'-',.- . '_",""... ,"'_"'_'_~''''' ,___c, I I ,. #6b page 10 one has brought out the idea what every good appraiser knows what the 100% corner theory is. The 100% corner in this town is exactly two blocks from the area that you are talking about. It is a theory that says this corner is the most valuable corner of the town. If you seen an appraisal you have run into this. I personally think if I was doing something I would expand the Iowa City d. t. zoning three blocks in every direction and let the market take its course. I certainly wouldn't build any more parking ramps. And if I did I would put it down by the river and walk two blocks. I would put them on the most valuable property in town. Thank you very much. Throg/ May I ask you a point of clarification. My understanding that the parking impact ordinance would not necessarily result in the parking garage being located in the CB-5 zone or in the Near South Side Urban Revitalization area, the 3 1/2 block area. Franklin/ It would be in the 20 block area that is the near south side. Throg/ The reason I ask that is because I know I have read or heard other people saying publicly somehow that we necessarily would be committing land in that 3 1/2 block area, very valuable land. Franklin/ No, I think there is a lot of confusion about where the impact fee would apply and it would apply in the entire 20 block Near South Side. KUbby/ And actually that is a challenge for us because the conditions and the uses that may occur in the CB-5 in the area south of Court-that we are trying to have the rules be the same for everybody and that makes it very difficult. Horow/ It is difficult for anyone to understand. Is there anyone else who would like to address council. Nancy Carlson/I am a citizen of Iowa City and I was at home listening to this on t.v, thanks to my car, I can zoom down here. Here I am. That is what I want to talk about. One of my concerns is we have this love affair with the car and it gives us incredible mobility to get from one place to another but then you have to deal with it when you get there and we also have to deal with the fact that while we are in our car zooming somewhere there are people on the sidewalks who may not appreciate the fact that we are zooming there. And I am really excited about the redevelopment of this area. But what I am concerned about is do we want to encourage more cars in F041294 -- ~ )'.'.,'" .' , , ' 1. ,'. 1'~5" ~.. ." ", ,~ O. ,':'" ,0 , . - ~ L1&i~J " .~ 7~ : , "i " " ) :1, l" " " ~ ;'</ f' ~, ,~', I '" , "'~,t ~ 'j h ".0\ , ". . , ~, .' ,.",," ~ . #6b page 11 excited about teh redevelopment of this area. But what I am concerned about is do we want to encourage more cars in teh d.t. area and in encourgaing more cars in the d.t. area are we going to make the d.t. area a better place or are they going to end up being a detriment to what we are trying to create. I don't know what the answer is but this is a concern that I have that the car has become this sort of love hate relationship and that in attempting to deal with this area I think we need to look at the car as both a plus and a minus. Yes, sometimes it is a plus because it is very fast and very convenient and \~e can leave exactly when we want to and go exactly where we want to go. But for pedestrians when you get into large number of cars, pedestrians disappear and it becomes uncomfortable for people, the streets, with the cars, the cars are the ones who end up taking up the whole area and teh pedestrians are the ones who lose. I think this can be shown very effectively in the fat that when we close Dubuque street and College street and turned it into a pedestrian mall the number of people who populate it. I don't know a=what the answer is but I am concerned about teh fact that we need to think about do we want the d.t. totally for cars or do we want the d.t. for people and if we want if for people and how do we go about attempting to egt a balcne between the two. Thank you. Horow/ Thank you very much. Anyone else who would like to comment to counicl. Before you do I just thought maybe you would like to know that the evening's election result. Mr. Sehr garnered 4,284 votes, Ms. Gilroy garnered 2,568. Mr. Sehr won the county election. Thank you. Deborah pullin/ I am an Iowa City resident. I am also someone who works in the area that you are considering and I am very proud to work n that area and I am very glad that this sort of hting is going on. My background is in teh financial industry. I have worked all over southern Minnesota, in Iowa, in the banking industry. I am looking at projects such as what you are looking at now. These projects can be very thin. It depends upon the type of structures that you want. If you want a quality structure then you are going to have to give in a little bit and so are they. But I think that the parking impact fee that you are asking for is above and beyond what you should expect from these developers who are trying to come into an area that you want to enhance. I really don't believe that that is fair. I did hesitate to come up because I have seem so many people come up since you have been talking about this and since this subject has come up who don't support teh plan that you are speaking of and I have also heard that in this council that it isn't supportive. I just don't believe that as a citizen of Iowa city that our views are being F041294 t_ 0 ~ ~~'-- I -~-,- ' '.0. ) . , ' :' ... . ~ ,) I!.'" 1 CD 1/ S Ie] J'~~' .. . '''';. ~' , r' ,\ ...-"1 l , \ \, ~ ,..,-, ~ 'r I' . i , i, ~'~~J ~~ :t ,:"~: ",) "", !Ill " "/, -' " ~..'~ i :',.'. . .r \~ i., '" . '.,', ~ ", . #6b page 12 front of you. Pigott/ Thanks for coming down. Horow/ Anyone else. Carolyn Gross/ I, too, hesitated to come up tonight because I thought about this for a long time and I don't seem to come up with an argument that is any better than has been given to you already but I still say I guess I have to reiterate it. I feel that since we are a community where our largest employer does not pay property taxes. Our largest employer is a very good employer and I am not complaining about that. It is just a fact of life that most of our d.t. area is used up by our largest employer. We get no property taxes from that and it hurts us financially that the slack has to be picked up by the rest of the community. The property taxes have to come from somewhere. We pay it whether it is our personal property taxes or business. I am disappointed that the city council seems to be putting every obstacle they can find in the way of a building that will be renovating an area that I think desperately needs it and giving us more property taxes. Even . with the tax abatement we are going to wind up with more property taxes immediately than we have got now. And I would appreciate a vote to get this building built. I don't think there is any reason. I don't want to say that it is a penalty that you are offering in the way of the fees, the parking fees. But it begins to sound like one. I would appreciate your expediting this and getting something built. Thank you. Throg/ I guess I would like to say on my own behalf and not on the behalf of anyone else on council that I don't feel like I am trying to obstruct anything. I feel like I am trying to help find a way to develop this property and the area south of Burlington in a \~ay that is good for the people of Iowa city. I am striving very hard to do that and I think the rest of the members of council are trying to do that. Horow/ Is there anyone else who would like to address council on this issue. This has to do with required parking for commercial and office uses. wilfreida Heironymous/ That is correct. That is the thing that absolutely kills this project. Sorry that there is a feeling on the council that there is an endless amount of funds. There is not. I can get funds from the banks to build this structure with the aid of tax abatement. The reason that the banks are interested in tax abatement is that it allows us to charge the tenants and they are the ones who benefit from tax abatement. To charge the tenants a lower rent and that is F041294 ".. . ,,',..-... ~ ~ f.n ~!J .. - . : T -"... ), i It]': .,' 0 'IS ' .'. .. ~, c: 0 .' ~9;a :\ ~, ,~ , '" , "'.\" " -tw:, '. , ,,~, . , , ., ... . . " , , , ,',. . -,:.', ~ " ;, ',~;'--' ~ '. " .""" '.....-,. '.- #Gb page 13 ,: I " what we are after. Perhaps you think this project if there. Perhaps you think $200,00 is not very much or $130,000 or any amount. I can tell you frankly it is more than enough that this project will not go forward. I have spent a lot of time in trying to redevelop d.t. as you all know. I have put all of my energy and my finances at stake time after time and I am certainly proposing to do this with not only my funds but my family's funds at stake. If you don't want it, fine, let's say so. But last night I talked with the schools. You people seem to forget that this is not just money for the city. This is money for the schools. Money that they desperately need through the increased taxes. The buildings that are there are substandard. I have never contended otherwise but they were the buildings that were there when I bought the land. Five years ago I thought I could do this. It really the market wasn't there. Now the market is here. When we see a tenant who has to take 25,000 office to Cedar Rapids because it is not available that tells me that we are not fulfilling the needs of the people who are here. We are not fulfilling the needs of the graduates of the University because they are being forced to go somewhere else for jobs. I would hope and I know that we will be bale to attract office tenants who will provide jobs that are now lacking in d.t. And I don't know what else I can say. I have tried to be honest. I don't think anybody has ever found me anything other than honest. Otherwise I couldn't get the money from the banks and I am plainly telling you that I am doing everything I can for this d.t. This is as far as I can go. To talk about making me pay for parking is just ridiculous. That is all there is to it. It is just ridiculous. I don't have parking through the middle of this building because I want public areas through the middle of this building. This building will have a five story atrium which means that every tenant in that building will have natural light available to it. It will be an energy efficient building. It will be built with the idea that it will have to stand for many many years to come. Now I could have come in here and said I will build a two story building. That wouldn't have caused all of these problems. But I don't believe that a two story building fulfills the needs that we have and there is just one piece of land. Once that is built on it isn't going to change for 50-75 years. I am not interested in building apartments whether they are low income or not and incidently I have built low income. It was my money that made it possible to build the elderly housing right next to st. Pat's because my partners were not the least bit interested in that project and I came up with the money. I happen to think that elderly people need to be in the center of activity and someday I am going to be one. So I have built low income elderly housing in that area. But I do not believe there should be more of it and I certainly do not recommend to \ ,-"i r".( I / I I , I" 1<' , ~'" .,', ;".'~' ~~ , ~' r :'~ I:"~'"~ '-. F041294 '.:C:_ : _: . _7 - )'> I Id 0 ,0 'l~ .'" ',', t ..., ..- ,( ,!?::mt~i ,I -', c , , \ \ .~ "";;,::--1 , : I \,., i , I, , i{' , , ~ !i' , " "'I~'.' .1, ~H,. 1, ~', ' \~ '". 1 ~,..~:: L.: ;r~ . ", ,;- I' :."t' , '."'11' ""; .' '" . ,'-,.\ 1 '.~ "'. . . ,'-,',..'--_:'-,; "I", , ,_....,.,,-,.,.':.', .. #6b page 14 that you build low income housing in that area because there are no schools. Because you bring the children d.t. and very often these are unsupervised children simply because both parents have to work. Not through any fault of their own. It is just an economic fact. They ought not be d.t. where they can get into trouble and make problems. They ought to be out in the residential area and not in the businesses. I can't fight all of the battles I am simply telling you that I would like this building go forward. As the handout indicates, we had hoped this building would be ready for occupancy next fall. The longer you put it off the less likely that is. And you put it off long enough it just simply will not happen. Thank you very much for your time and attention. Kubbyj Freida, one of the things that I get confused about is when you say that the market is here now but the market can't bear the cost of the building. So the market is arriving. Would you say that is fair. If tenants need lower rents then the market is not there. Hieronymousj No ma'am, that is not true. There are lower rents available in d. t. Iowa City except they are full. If the space were vacant you could rent for a lower price but there isn't any at any price. The space that is now being made available is being made available at a much higher rent than what we want see happen because that discourages. You can see the places closing and leaving down. That is a discouragement. That is all there is to it. ~ ' Pigottj Mrs. Hieronymous, I wonder if you could tell me what you estimate the impact of the parking impact fee-how much would that cost you approximately. Hieronymous/ Well, the figures that Mr. Baker gave me was $200,000. I told Mr. Baker he talks like that is pocket money. To me that is real money. PigottjI understand that. And I also wondered what the total amount of the abatement- Hieronymous/ The abatement is for my tenants. Pigott/ I just wondered what the total amount would be. Hieronymous/ I don't know. We have always used the city's figures because they are best guess around and that is exactly what they area. They are a guess. We do know that immediately- immediately the taxes will triple and depending on how much the taxes are raised in the interim it is estimated that at the end of the ten year period, after the tenants have paid F041294 I " u,.-. = _1, , I 0, '. 0 1:1 "'",, ~ .- . ',I .: ,\ _.. r \ \\ ~ ~.'" ~~;;... , r '1 I~l i I ' I I ; . I i" ' I', , . ! 'i I : I j 'l.c;;J \~~ \,/,', JIW(' ., ~'I r.~\''' r:. "l~ "\~. " 'I;:, -,..... 'i[ " .. ,~, J' i ' , '" I ~. '. ,"1\,\1,'; ..1 .', , '" , " "" "'':;,,: , '~... , "',,., ,:",' ":.1', ....",,--; ."--~'--"''''-''''-'''' .' . , .... -----.,-.,.--,-, " . #6b page 15 for their tenant improvements, after the tenants have established enough business that they are comfortable, that the taxes that will be produced will be 16 times what is being produced right now. Pigottj The abatement is for what again. About $1.3 million over a ten year period. Hieronymousj I don't know. Over ten years. You are not talking about an abatement and you are certainly not talking about something that comes to me or that it makes it easier for me to build that new building. Pigottj Excuse me Mrs. Hieronymous. I just wanted to compare those two figures. $200,000 in impact fees would be charged to you and you would be granted an abatement of $1.3 million. I just wanted to make that clear for everybody. Hieronymousj I am trying to make you understand that the dist.inction is that the abatement helps my tenants. The impact fee is a charge on top of what I am already struggling to accomplish which is the building of a first class building that will last as long as I have. Kubbyj The problem is we are trying to base policy on one site. Hieronymousj No you shouldn't. You should be basing it on the whole area. Kubbyj If I believe that the parking impact fee is the best public policy for the 20 block area but you are saying don't do it because it will kill your project and you are asking me to make that policy decision. Hieronymousj No, I am telling you there will be no development in that area. You see, I am a dreamer. I dream the elderly housing and it happened. I dreamed the d.t. shopping center and it happened. I dream of that building being duplicated five years from now. It will not be duplicated because it won't be there to duplicate. In that area I can build two of these buildings if the first is successful but the first one has to be successful. You know it was said well, if you don't do it somebody else will. I am sorry there isn't anybody else around. I own the land. I can leave it set just the way it is. And my husband keeps saying and why don't you do it. Thank you very much. Any other questions. Horowj We have got to move on on this situation. This ph. was on the amendments. P jZ deferred this to April 21. ' What is council's pleasure: to continue this hearing or to close it. F041294 o - - ,_:: ,I),i' .. , ..0 .. '\-: ~ 1 I 1 . I , ... I . \ ,',' 1 ... I I j) l. I \~ :.ll ,\I ~ ~. f;, ~l! ( R' ~ " ;1 ,. I '. '10 ,'~, , " ~;" ':::' : . , #6b page 16 Throg/ Why would we want to continue it. , i Franklin/ You haven't had the recommendation from P/Z so I would suggest that you continue it. Horow/ (Moved by KUbby,seconded by Nov) All those in favor to accept correspondence signify by saying aye (ayes). Moved by Pigott, seconded by Lehman (to continue the p.h. to April 26). Any discussion. , " , ! , , :'! i " '! Kubby/ In particular I am concerned about the Maiden Lane area and this letter we got from the owner of the Sanctuary and I would like to make sure that P/Z gets a copy of that letter so that can be part of their discussion that past agreements made that might make a real difference. Throg/ I am aware of the letter, too, and it bothers me a lot. We need to find a way to resolve that in a manner that is good for- Horow/ I would assume that P/Z Commission gets copies of the other letters that we receive this evening. Kubby/ That is not a status quo thing. Kubby/ Oh, all right. In that case I would ask that they do. We received a letter from Jay Honohan one from a Mr. Hueholt and one from Darrel Woodson. K~rr/ 'You will also be accepting Mrs. Hieronymous's. ~oV/ Wqsn't that all accepted when we moved. Kubby/ Right but all of that should be forwarded to P/Z. Is there any other discussion. All those in favor signify by saying aye (ayes). okay. ~ I i :, I I I I~~ ! I ' I ! ~\'''i ~,""'" I F041294 '(-0 i . ~: .,.......,...,:'.,..i),:;;;'" ,. ",.. ,,(!) 'C,' '. '\'1\ '."i\:,' ".','~':"~,; '::. ",\,' '.'.":" , /,;" , i" --.' . I ',' , ,.,,',' \' , " 1,';.. "" . ,.~', ' ',"," " ''',;',' I' ',. , . "', " " \"', ' I."".. I'...'. ....".. 'I' '.' ,)S"',..,..'n,;: ~.. ~.' .,~:. ".;: ,/,~,~ (r,: , ",,:.;;,.:: ,',' ~'... ,':~,i:;r,,"" ~, ,,,' ., ' "~i",' \ .._...:....~__..~._.... _,.,.._..'-'"'.....____...... ____ : Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting April 12, 1994 Page 7 d. Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance by amending the Conditional Zoning Agreement for Wild Prairie Estates, a 71.05 acre property located north of Rohret Road. (REZ94-0003l (First Consider- ationl Comment: See Item c. above. Action: ~/1~ Is.t-c vi f ~% e. Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance by establishing the Brown Street Historic District. (First Considerationl Comment: At its January 25, 1994, meeting, the Historic Preservation Commission, by a vote of 5-0-2, (Russell and Irelan abstaining), recom- mended approval Of the proposed Brown Street Historic District. At its meeting of February 17, 1994, the Planning and Zoning Commission, by a 5-0 vote, recommended approval of the proposed Brown Street Histor- ic District. Staff concurs with the recommendations of both commis- sions. Comments were received at the Council's March 29, 1994" public hearing on this item. f. Action: <<~I p~ I*cuif )" 'fA' 1~ % Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance by changing the use regulations for an approximate 7,500 square foot parcel of land located in the 1300 block south of Sheridan Avenue from 1-1 to RS-8. (REZ94-0002) (Second Considerationl Comment: At its March 3, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning Commission, by a vote of 4-0, recommended approval of rezoning the former electric power substation site from 1-1 to RS.8. This recommen- dation is consistent with the staff's recommendation contained in the report dated March 3, 1994. No comments were received at the March 29, 1994, public hearing on this item. In a letter dated February 23, 1994, the applicant requested expedited consideration of this"item. Action: ~~ U~"Ii' % ~; -!1.uHd.J ~ ul[- ~ - , =~ ...'.~.'.'. ,,"',' . ,,',', ",' i".,.',.: ,..::""""',,,L>'.9~..:{1-';,;?';"":o,'~':'" ..." ..:';~" '\ ,', , ",'"'' , .., . .... .. I , ' " ,... , I j f:. ,- """"1""10'''''''> ", /5 \,.'....'/ :;,:~'_"",',' ,_,' I ';-':'i' ~~,~:'f?'}i:, . .' '_'~"l.' " ' ! :~ ( I c: \ .~ ('~ ! ! I I~ I, II, ~ '" ~~:/'." ~J ~ 1'1 .' L\ rt .. . ',I' . __~~ . '.., ' , ..','...." ,," #6e page 1 Horow/ (#6e) Moved by Kubby, seconded by pigott. Any discussion. Pigott/ I just wasn't quick enough off the gun. Go ahead Karen. Horow/ Karen, hit it. KUbby/ Well, at our p.h. there were some people worried about that people are going to be telling them what to do and in some instances that is true and in most instances it is not and actually the experience we have had in other historic districts is that that process had been very helpful to the residents in finding economical ways of making improvements to their home that are compatible with the rest of the neighborhood. Another comment was made that these are just plain houses. There is nothing of historic value. And so it challenged me to go down and look at the neighborhood a little more carefully and at first I was thinking well, you know, this is part of working class history and after looking at the houses it is really not that either. It is very-part of University history where a lot of famous people from our Uni versi ty side of our history lived in that area and the houses I would say are more than modest houses. They are not mansions. But they are an important part of our history of Iowa city and I think this is a posi ti ve step and I will voting (can't hear). Pigott/you took the words out of my mouth, Karen. Precisely what I was going to say. The second thing. I did want to add something however. I wanted to add that I thought that the HP Commission did a wonderful job of really communicating with the people in the neighborhood. Despite the fact that we heard some comments that people weren't contacted, I talked with the people in the neighborhood and I talked with members of the commission and I would like to congratulate Doug Russel and everyone else involved. I think they did a wonderful job. Horow/ Roll call- First consideration passes. F041294 "', ' ~i ~~ '.", "":;'''''').'''''::''-''''': ;,',; ~"';"':,,':--':,;,.),;.,,~('-:~J(':'{i," . >,.,r'", ~ ",,' "~'~=';-.",' I, '; , ~:, j) :'i; .," ;! I, .' i:, /. I'" " , . "'," '", '."1....."'_....' .""'1''''/''''.:' ',' '0" t" " .:; , ,',I' ,j.." " ./5" .'.., /1' ,! "".."",,,,,,,'j'l ' ,~; ;'~::,iV/'~'!:'~ ~ ~..~".~~ ...;;;",'\",,', '. , " ~ '''I ,I, '\\0,,'.."' .. ..., , ~ ": ' 1 ';'.', ',.,'-."--'... ,I '1 ') i .1 #6f page 1 Horow/ (#6f) CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 94-60 SIDE 1 Horow/ Moved by Nov, seconded by Pigott. Any discussion. Pigott/ Yes. Just a note. A side note about the property and the relations between the developer and the neighbors. I have received some calls and talked to some people about some of the development near him and I have heard from Mr. O'Brien in meetings here that he wanted to be a good neighbor in this area and lately I have gotten a few complaints about some of the things that have been happening. I just want to note that if Mr. O'Brien, and I am sure he does, wants to be a good neighbor that it is more than signs and crosses in a plot of land that makes for good neighbor. It is listening to neighborhood concerns and hearing what they have to say. So, with that, I just wanted to say that that is what it takes to be a good neighbor more than just the placards in the lot. Horow/ Any other discussion. Roll call- Second consideration passes. ,,'," r.\ ',\>:) "j j i " ,"( r- \ \ i ,j" \,,1 '", ~ I I I , ! ~ ., i I , I, : I I ~: '[ II, ~l' \~ ,), i F041294 "'. ,'" ; , - l[:::~~ ,. - .L. .' )',~:~J__,~_~ ., =," ,,;" :',,' , ~, , ' ' " ,~'" " ", : ,:\ ::~'i~ I)....::>:.":,,,.'.. , .--...'.., ',', " , , ':,;;,:,\:,,<' ,:y\t'.'" ' ", " "\ iI"...' ',15 ",',r,' , " '<"{"':Yc 10"':' '" '" l:, , r,'-''';'"" ~' , (' ! _:' , ,,' ~:,:..t':,\:':: -',[.' !i1ii!~": "; "' ~, C.~ ;~ '.. .0..'. " ., , :':',:';~i~,\l,:: , A'",.. ,i'. , .,;" '" ':- , , " ,:. '" ' ,.. ~ ';,\ . , ," " " ' , ,", ,_:"..:.-....,.., ""'4....,"~_'.:~,~_~:~,:~'L_._;:::::', ,'~ .' , ' ' '.., m:'_--'-...;._............",'~...~'.\ ..' .,:..:, ',:;' ,..;c:..','. ,).:: ;' ;~.:',(:'); "~ ~~,;, :~...,' '"";-,-,~.~,,,,, .,,~;.., -:"-'~""""";"'.., '" ,,,~~~:.."',;..:"':.o-<._';'_-':":':"".;...'~~~.' "', Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting April 12, 1994 Page 8 q.L/-- 3",,4 g. Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance to revise Section 36-20,5, Central Business Support (CB-5) Zone requirements. (Pass and adopt) Comment: At its February 17, 1994, meeting, the Planning & Zoning Commission, by a vote of 5-0, recommended approval of amendments to the CB-5 Zone. The Commission's recommendation is consistent with the staff recommendation contained in a staff memorandum dated February 17, 1,994. No comments were received at the March " 1994, public hearing on this item. ,'. , Action: _n~J 1~ \, I P <t- cL- ~~ 9.'f - 3(, IS h. Consider an ordinance repealing the vacation of the southern 97 feet of the north-south alley in Block 102 bounded by Clinton, Burlington, Dubuque and Court streets. (V AC94-0002) (Pass and adopt) Comment: At its February 3, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning Commission, by a vote of 6-0, recommended approval of repealing this street vacation. The Commission's recommendation is consistent with the staff recommendation contained in the staff report dated February 3, 1994. No comments were received at the March 1, 1994, public hearing on this item. Action: 71 ~ / ,f(d-dy I % JJ rf~ I ,~ ql- 'i'1 i. Consider a resolution approving the final plat of Mt. Prospect, Part VII, an 8.95 acre, 32 lot residential subdivision located south of Lakeside Drive and east of Sycamore Street in Iowa City, Iowa. (SUB94-0002) (60-day limitation period: extended to April 12, 1994) , Comment: At its March 3, 1994, meeting, by a vote of 4-0, the Plan- ning and Zoning Commission recommended approval of a final plat of Mt. Prospect, Part VII, subject to staff approval of construction plans and legal papers prior to Council consideration of the final pfat and a provision in the legal papers referring to the construction of basements,. The construction plans have been approved by the Public Works Depart- ment. The legal papers are being reviewed by the City Attorney's Office. The Commission's recommendation is consistent with the staff recommendation contained in the staff report dated March 3, 1994, This item has been deferred from the Council's March 29, 1994, meeting. Action: ~/~) ( 1<1~ % "--~ ~' -_.~ .' ,;;0...;\. .i,'" . \ "":'.~~.""''''''':':~,,:':, )5,10" \ ,,-"'" "",/'1'" - ,".'-,' ~ ,"I" r", ~;Q~j'\ i /'~ , I. i ,"\, C-, \ '. .;~ ~ , , II' I iI I , I , ~~ f , i '\ ~~ j ../;'1 ~ L_~ )( ./r.>,'~::j: ," '", 'I '" . , ":.,...",' , ' -~..,,".,...,'~-',....-,'..-;:;,...'....-.-.:.;;,... " .'., , , '::"'~~:"I:"" ' ., .1.. " ~:';' '.. " , ',' " :',' ~~,;-,~, ;,o,~~,.~.,:~,(. ~.'_..__ ,:~' , . " ',' .. ' .,_.,u~_..""."""'.'~~""""~~' R_'._."_ ,_._ Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting April 12, 1994 Page 9 ITEM NO.7. \ ITEM NO.8- q'f~ <j '6 ITEM NO.9- o ~ 9:55 ~ n.O,13~ PUBLIC HEARING ON PLANS, SPECIFICATIONS, FORM OF CONTRACT AND ESTIMATE OF COST FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROHRET ROAD PEDES- TRIAN BRIDGES PROJECT. Comment: This project consists of the construction of two (2) free-standing pedestrian bridges over U.S. Hwy. 218 adjacent to the existing Rohret Road bridge. The approach pavement, minor grade widening, and limited sidewalks on each side are also included. The preliminary construction cost estimate is $698,965.00 with Federal STP funds available up to $481,487.00. This project will be bid by the Iowa Department of Transportation. Action: Yl.? Mtf.J ~--I ~d? CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING PLANS, SPECIFICATIONS, FORM OF CONTRACT AND ESTIMATE OF COST FOR CONSTRUCTIOf\l OF THE ROHRET ROAD PEDESTRIAN BRIDGES PROJECT AND DIRECTING CITY CLERK TO PUBLISH NOTICE TO BIDDERS. Comment: Because this project is federally funded, the Iowa Department of Transportation will establish the amount of bid security to accompany each bid, fix the time and place for receipt of bids, advertise this project, and open and read the bids. Unless otherwise specified by the Iowa Department of Transportation, the opening and reading of the bids will be performed at the Iowa Department of Transportation in Ames, Iowa after 9:00 a.m. on May 3, 1994. Action: 7?!t$d// hf<<l &i~% PUBLIC HEARING ON PLANS, SPECIFICATIONS, FORM OF CONTRACT AND ESTIMATE OF COST FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE PRIMARY ROAD SYS- TEM PROJECT NO. NHS-6-7(41H9-52 (REVISED). Comment: This project consists of paving, storm sewer, flood control, water main, sidewalk and landscaping improvements to Highway 6, from Rocky Shore Drive to First Avenue in Coralville. The estimated cost of construction is $2,200,721. Iowa City's financial commitment is approximately $130,000. This project will be bid by the Iowa Department of Transporta- tion. Action: rr ~P'/ ~/?At?4 '..',r,... , :;::~-J",' , " ,,,\",,,\.",""', "",...'-,,'. . \ " , "f ... :. ,,' ,--..,- ,-,:...:.. '! ,"' ?S' :. '10:. ".'..',' _:,~:::,;:;,:""":~,, ~'" ","':"""" ,..,-.,."" - , "I ,'. , , . " '. ., . . "', ' '..':,'.. . '. .... . ' ;~, ,:,,,,--,,~,;..'.;;...:....~ ~~~'.,. Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting April 12, 1994 Page 1 0 i I ITEM NO. 10 - CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING PLANS, SPECIFICATIONS, FORM t{J/w Cfq OF CONTRACT AND ESTIMATE OF COST FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE PRIMARY ROAD SYSTEM PROJECT NO. NHS-6-7{41H9-52 (REVISED) AND DIRECTING CITY CLERK TO PUBLISH NOTICE TO BIDDERS. Comment: Because this project is federally funded, the Iowa Department of Transportation will establish the amount of bid security to accompany each bid, fix the time and place for receipt of bids, advertise this project, and open and read the bids. Unless otherwise specified by the Iowa Department of Transportation, the opening and reading of the bids will be performed at the Iowa Department of Transportation in Ames, Iowa after 9:00 a.m. on May 3, 1994. 13rr% ITEM NO. 11 - PUBLIC HEARING ON PLANS, SPECIFICATIONS, FORM OF CONTRACT AND ESTIMATE OF COST FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE LANDFILL LEACHATE CONTROL SYSTEM PROJECT. Action: n Md.dlJ J 1~ '- I Comment: This project consists of the construction of a leachate control system along the east edge of filled landfill cells and is intended to remediate the existing groundwater contamina'tion first observed in 1990. The leachate will be collected and pumped through a lift station into the City's sanitary sewer system. The estimated cost of construction is $447,000. A 'C'. '1." Action: 7!IJMltV~'(!u/~ >( \ . \ ,~ y'~';':;." I' ITEM NO. 12 - CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING PLANS, SPECIFICATIONS, FORM 91-100' OF CONTRACT AND ESTIMATE OF COST FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE LANDFILL LEACHATE CONTROL SYSTEM PROJECT, ESTABLISHING AMOUNT OF BID SECURITY TO ACCOMPANY EACH BID, DIRECTING CITY CLERK TO PUBLISH ADVERTISEMENT FOR BIDS AND FIXING TIME AND PLACE'FOR RECEIPT OF BIDS AT 10:30 A.M. MAY 3,1994. 1 ',; , .I . , ~ Comment: See comment above. , I Action: fJ~/~Aft ju/ (ffiJ Ij~ fit; I ~~ Ij" 'I II \'U \~j, ,(~ o '.','~.,'~~~,. - <., I ,.,/ -. ').:'.:......."'.,'''.'.'...'''.'.'''..'....'.......1-......'..1'''''''. :;:;.;;'< " ,,;""'\ ',\ ,.'. '0,::' ',. ,;""\:1,,.,' .' ,," .' .') G.. I " ,-,:"",, " , ,..t~,::"":,, ',"; ,r,t:' ,~:' ...~',,,',>~'"",\, ii', /;.. .'" l i I "I ~~~i'.}'P:'.;' . ',' " ,; "','", I;' #12 page 1 Horow/ (#12) Moved by Pigott, seconded by Kubby. Any discussion. Kubby / I guess just a reminder to the public that all of the contamination is still on the landfill property. We are not bothering any other property owners. We are taking care of it and the original estimate of this remedial work was $2 million. We found a way to do it much more economically. Horow/ Let's give credit to our staff where credit is due. Roll call-(Yeses). l , i j i ! " I '-'l ... \ \ '; ., ,,," ,...., : I I ~ I I: ~ q .1:', F04J.294 ~' ~~ !i &' , ': ~i J( ~v ! .'. :-...,7,':.....,..,1"..: " : ',,' '~'~''''-~ ". _,..' . .;."..'.,..,..., ";;" ,;;,;;:,,:,:\.;,\::q;;:;''':~)1V.,,''<;"' .....,.'1'.....,....:.'.'.".".'1"'"..,;;:: ':.....'[]'.': '15':',:., : ,';:' , . :.c '.' , ' "'., ,: .-' ' ,~ ~' "''"''''/' ',"'!;""';""("""'f;'::'\'" -" . ,,--,'" ..~,~, ,;:,;:" , ' . ..l~mgr, . ., " .,.. '" , , . '.; "~' , . :' ~h\I, " , I'. , "~ ..,," ,,', , , , ". .'""t , '.", """'.',:' ." l: ',; ,".' ~ ' " . . , ,,' " , .._".,~.. ~_,.,: ,._ _..,.:_ ...._.~" ;':"'H."~,~:::_..,,.'':~',_::~:J.t, .; , . ".. "'-, .-.... --,....~...~--~--,~.. :i Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting April 12, 1994 Page 11 ,\1; ~1j()1(3 ~fc ~-/J ~1f1 ITEM NO. 't4 - PUBLIC HEARING TO HEAR COMMENTS fROM THE PUBLIC REGARDING ~l ",;:I:c- THE RECOMMENDATIONS BY THE COMMITTEE ON COMMUNITY NEEDS l~)ol' k (CCN/ ON THE USE OF 1994 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT Jvtf!i?'v (CDBG/ FUNDS AND COMMENTS REGARDING THE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE USE OF 1994 HOME INVESTMENT PARTNERSHIPS (HOMEI FUNDS. Comment: On March 24, 1994, the Committee on Community Needs met and formulated recommendations for projects using 1994 CDBG funds. The project recommendations and additional information regarding the funding requests have been forwarded to Council in the 1994 CDBG Program State- ment Resource Book. Council approval on the final Program Statement is scheduled for April 26, 1994, On March 22, 1994, the Housing Commission discussed staff recommenda- tions for projects using 1994 HOME funds. The project recommendations and additional information regarding the projects have been forwarded to Council in the 1994 HOME Program Description. ,Council approval on the Program Description is also scheduled for April 26, 1994. After the Public Hearings ~re con?luded, staff wishes Council. direct';;~o which projects to include In the final statements for both proJects. ~ Action: (D ITEM NO. 14 - PUBLIC HEARING ON AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 32.1, IOWA CITY CODE OF ORDINANCES, "TAXATION AND REVENUES" BY AMENDING ARTICLE VI, ENTITLED "PARKING FACILITY IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE". .~ ,;~ .. ' \ ~ Comment: At its meeting of March 29, 1994, the City Council directed staff to prepare an amendment to the parking facility impact fee ordinance requir- ing new commercial development in the Near Souths ide Neighborhood to pay a parking facility impact fee. Action: k~.tV 1/ i/.,. . ~ ~ If2u..JwJ /'1 ~ ('.a"~,, ~~. r 'l ' CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE NEAR S THSIDE COMMER- ~ CIAL URBAN REVITALIZATION PLAN. ; , " ITEM NO. 15. , I ! l: , I"' , I I' , I ~L \~j Comment: The Urban Revitalization Plan outlines the improvements which qualify for property tax exemption in the proposed urban revitalization area. The proposed urban revitalization area includes the area zoned Central Busi- ness Support Zone, CB-5, located between Burlington and Court Streets. Action: . Piatftf / 'liAAta (I;IP) ~ ~ 6 U I ,",V" 0- # '* @ - J:: (Itay II , (- ._~ -= '..,~- ..,-), ..0..'.. .. "', ' ,", ii", , , ""',, '.' ." '.' " ,:;i ,mr'~: i'D, '.. .1,)' i, , "',,." ;,'''' /",','1,. ..'".It::Uin' .' /......., I. .\ .....-... " , , , , I \ I , , , , ',' II{,. I " I ' , -........ If" -'l1l! '\.....~-~ "',I' , .. ',~ ' ,.t\\I ','t '" , ...', \ '. . :: ' #13 page 1 Horow/ (#13) Item #13 is going to be moved before Item #7. This is a joint p.h. but for purposes of the records we would appreciate if you are going to speak to both of them please speak first to CDBG and then sit down and then come up to speak at the end towards the HOME improvements. I would appreciate that. The p.h. is open. Charlie Eastham/ I am speaking in regard to the CDBG Program and I am speaking this evening as solely as my capacity as President of the GICHF. I would like to ask the council to follow the CCN's recommendations of allocating CDBG funds for the project proposed for Mr. Robert Burns and the GICHF. We are proposing the development of 324 units of mixed income, rental and owner occupied housing. We believe this development fully conforms to the city's comprehensive Housing Affordability strategy. Mr. Burns and the Housing Fellowship are making this proposal as a joint venture. Mr. Burns will have primary responsibility for development of the site and the Housing Fellowship will have responsibility for managing rental properties as they are developed. Both parties will participate in all phases of the development process. The CCN has recommended $150,000 of CDBG funds to be allocated for site acquisition. Commitment of these funds is a prerequisite to secure additional funds for site acquisition from other sources as described in our CDBG application. We therefore request the council follow the CCN recommendations and commit funds at this time for site acquisition of this project. Thank you. Robert Burns/ I am a local architect and I am in good company with the fellowship. I enjoy working with them. We have the same mission which is to build affordable housing in Iowa City. We are very excited about this project because we think it is an opportunity to be on the cutting edge of housing development. We plan to do this with quality design and quality management. Our only problem is without a site we have no project and that is why we have come to the city council with to ask for assistance in acquiring this site. There will be plenty of chances for you to review the details of this project as we go forward and we appreciate your consideration of our requests for HOME funds and CDBG funds. Thank you. Ron Langston/ Mayor and council, I'm with the Institute for Social and Economic Development and if I my approach I would like to distribute these ( distributes brochure: ISED-Small Business Assistance). The Institute is a private non profit organization whose mission is to take individuals who are on low income, welfare, etc, and help them become entrepreneurs. We have been incorporated in the State of Iowa in Iowa City F041294 ~- "",!I-.- -~ .-"- ,9 :)," " ... f - r is r 1:1, 'l~, {r t,J.' '~t: i'M (fi~ '."'J:' ':b'. ~;A'.' 1':'1 r..,. ;~~:r! ,~~I;(; J~~: ,,'I. ;;~: .",;1, :{w .'t '1,;( r~~' "'\".' ,', Ii" l~ li~~. 'w 1'~ n~ 1\,.' i',;r .~ "'~ [J, .~ -- /,. ..\' ",--''1 , \ \ .~ (,;'.(4 : I I" I I i ~, : I. I 'I \1". \,~ , '-. '(__n~ ., , , ~,' Y i " '" . : ' ':"~l~,\'l:, " . " " , .-. , '.;., . :~ '. #13 page 2 since 1988. Again, our mission is to help people become self employed entrepreneurship. The CCN has recommended an appropriation to us of $17,500. We submitted a proposal for about $27,000. I am here tonight to respectively request full funding of our recommendation for the following reasons. #1- the program as we have initiated over the years has focused primarily on people who are on welfare as opposed to low income. We find that in the Iowa City area, most of the people are in the low income category as opposed to the welfare category. That is they are students or former students with some resources, etc., so our fit under our previous contract, federal contracts, have limited us to the welfare recipient client profile. We would like to serve the niche just above the welfare profile but in the low income area by definition. We think there is a very strong need for that. We have been highly successful at this throughout the state. We are in Burl1ngton, Davenport, Cedar Rapids, Waterloo, Marshalltown and Des Moines and again our home base is here in Iowa City. We are not very well known in Iowa city although we have been in existence since 1988 and have had great successes. We would urge full funding so that we will be able to continue to serve our welfare client and population and also approach the low income population here in this city and in this area. with that I will entertain any questions. Horow/ My. Langston, I had a question last evening and that had to do I use the word follow up. The CCN Chair used the word follow along which I really appreciated which I thought was a better word. I was concerned in terms of following along with the client over a period of time. Three months isn't enough. six months many times isn't enough. And I wondered in your experience how long have to you been willing to see the low income or the welfare recipient stay in that mode of entrepreneurship. Langston/ We have an average of 12 month -18 month follow up and I am actually glad you asked the question. We take our clients through a 15 week intensive curriculum training program. Much of it is self esteem and much of it is budgeting, self management. They are in a classroom setting. For those in our outer areas where there is not enough for a classroom we have consultants all of whom have owned their own businesses in the past and those consultants give one on one training. In the 8-9 week we are into a business plan development process. We help out clients write a business plan. We don't do it for them. After the business plan is completed we take them to various banks to whom we have a relationship with now in the state and within the particular regions. We have leverage about a $1 million in funding for our clients. Since 1988 74% of our business are still up and running and they are F041294 -". - '.' I ')..,.e, " ',~' ,',' , '\ - .. ',',~... O. . " ,.,': .'" "'. . ... I 'If;" .. ~) , ',' I: k ~I !_'ii t~;t,. ~'~ .;". ;i If! .~, ,f r,.,,; L: , "1 k h ' l::~~ .t., b ~~;; /" e:' ~' " ~, ~ l) ~ I [j, ,"', iT~ ,\ . ,-, " . ,\ ' \ \ \1 \, ~: ',:.:-.:. . ! f 'oj ,I I" i I I I I I ~, I I; I " i :! )' , I ',I,,; ;,\".- "[;I' t l".~",,~,',""."i 0:,: \,'( " ,..,., f'~~ ,< '; L_...", C' ;'. ____0 . Y i " '" , :, '''~t; \'1' , " . , , ~' , ", "'l' "'.,"'. , ~ . ';..'. .._,,. ',;. ,'.' #13 page 3 up and running because we have the follow up program that stays with them. We just don't help them get a loan and abandon them. We stick with them and we follow up. Horow/ Is any part of this-last evening I used the example on my own part of having this year to file income taxes on a person who came and house sat for a period of time. And just the daunting experience of getting an employer identification number and figuring out how much social security I was suppose to pay. I found this difficult and so I asked myself is that part of working at that end of that tax year with your client in terms of teaching them how to then be-how to submit income tax for that business. Langston/ Yes. As a matter of fact we are getting a lot of calls during this period. Our phones are ringing quite heavily because, again, a lot of our clients and they are from all different walks of life. We have PhD.s, we have a lot of single mothers, we have a lot of particularly white males which we are very pleased about who just are falling through the cracks. For one reason or another no particular fault of their own. It just happened. A lot in this area are not poor enough to get Ivelfare but they are not well off enough to apply for the programs. But historically, we have had to come back and help our clients go through the tax program, help them with business planning, help them again go to the bank. A lot of them didn't have bank accounts. A lot of them were just not well organized from a financial management point of view and we have excellent business trainers who have owned their own businesses who we sit down and work with them and they work with the clients. Horow/ Thank you very much. Pigott/ Could I just a ask a question. I thank you for coming down. I think your program is really a great program and I know you realize the constraints that the CCN and the council work under to distribute this block of money fairly and equitably and to projects they feel are necessary. What I would like to ask is in your application you said if CDBG funds are not allocated, ISED will be unable to expand its program to additional low and moderate income individuals. I assume with this $17,000 recommendation you will be able to expand but it will be limited expansion as opposed to the size that you would like to and you are asking us to give you the full $27,000. Langston/ To be really effective at this market because we think this market is a very strong and viable market. What we will do exactly is we have a trainer, a business trainer in Cedar F041294 - -- .',- -J." '.' .... e . , ,~.', .:' I ... . ... ! 'j c. ~ ",,) ',~ .. tj 11. ['3 !~ ~ i ~. ~ ~ ,[ W "~ t I , l .' \ ~ 0'. ~; ~'11 ( , r I .,.\ ,~''\ \ , \ \, .~ :f I" I I I I , , If I' , i , , ~ i ~~ J' c. 0 'V ., , , ,', '. ~:', \ ': . / '" , '''~t :.\'I,~ ',' "'j' '....d 1 -, . ':~ . #13 page 4 Rapids, who commutes now to Iowa city to train people in this area. For those individuals are under a contract for AFDC or our family investment program to move into a niche beyond that. It is going to take some extra time and extra work and we hope to have another business trainer to provide or supplement the Cedar Rapids business trainer. We do have other funding sources that we will spread out. Administrative costs and some other things so we can pay someone at a very competitive salary. And the $17,500 restricts that, limits that, and doesn't give us the flexibility that we think we need to really work and be successful in this area. Pigott/ The $10,000 difference, were some of it going to go to travel fees between Cedar Rapids and Iowa city. Langston/ If we are restricted to the one business trainer in Iowa City that will have some impact on that. Pigott/ You pay their mileage between Iowa city and Cedar Rapids. Langston/ Yes, we do. But it's very negligible. There are other things that go on in this program. For example, we have training programs that might happen Des Moines. We have offices in Davenport and sometimes we move our training and consul ting around the area. But the travel between Cedar Rapids and Iowa city is very negligible at 21 cents per mile. But to be technically honest with you, yes we do cover their out of pocket expense. Horow/ Anything else. Thank you very much. Langston/ Thank you. Pigott/ Thank you. Howard SOkol/I came to speak in behalf of the Adult Day Program and wish to thank the council for providing the park bench which I should be on instead of here. Horow/ Mr. Sokol, did you write your name in. Sokol/ Yes. My name is Howard Sokol, 801 Normandy Drive and I have been a client of the Adult Day Program through having my wife there for a period of approximately three years. At this time I have no vested interest in the program because, unfortunately, she passed away in January and I do hope at this time that I have never have any occasion to use the program myself. But I do think I owe my freedom and my life in a sense to the program because for the past 3 1/2 years at least I was able to carryon normal recreational activities an F041294 - ......~ ) ,," , '" . '. " :,:',:' ':'.1',.,' - '0 , ", ... . "" r. ~ ~ ( , l " , ?) ~O. 1\ . ti.(:1k:t, ~, ,." I " ,'M..,' ~-'. , (~ :r'i I" I , I", 'I' , . , I , '! ' I '\1. /. \ 'v " , . 'I> r {,It":' d'~j.... :';'&1.. . If;'ri,, .i ........."\,. If . ,~--~--- ., '" , "'t' ..'.,\",,' " " '" , ; . ." .... ~ ,"~. : . :;'. .--...-,..--...-''''.''.'' ,"...,,,....,.,....,,'.,,.'.,,_._...~ #13 page 5 extensive program of volunteering which I do through peer counseling at the University Hospital and with the Bar Association and many other aspects. I want to say that the program is operated on what I consider the most economical basis. They pay no rent. The salaries are minimum. The staffing is minimal. And right now the future of it looks a little bleak because it looks like the space requirements that are going to be imposed by state authorities are going to limi t the number of people that can be attending in the present quarters with to a less and viable number financially and otherwise. I worked somewhat with Doreen who is, as I say, is used to operating a program with really a bundle of sticks because she has been kicked around from Oakdale to Churches to other places of the Senior Center and they have been moved there at the request of not the Senior Center people but the Fire Department into less quarters than they had when my wife first went there. But she has the expertise to tell you all you need to know about running a day care program and where you can find it. We heard discussion and in the paper talk about a task force and I can say that when the task force is mentioned last night there was a lot of exhaling of breath out in the lobby that well, here we go again, one more task force to try to shed the responsibility for a decision which is going to be right on your doorstep ultimately regardless of what the task force comes up with and it is the building, Mr. Burns was not involved in it, as I understand it. But it was built with limestone instead of latex walls and it is not going to be able to be expanded very readily. So, this program I know doesn't want to pick a fight with anybody and there are lots of competing interests there. The grim facts are if more space is allocated to the program somebody is going to have to go and I know that the ultimate decision is going to fall on you and not on a task force and I am sure I am perfectly willing to do ~Ihat I can to add anything to the knowledge of the task force from my experience and would like to cooperate in any way to get this program expanded because or kept alive at its present level because it is absolutely an essential program in the community and very worthwhile. It is a transitory thing. There is only-now I was in the program. I committed to it. I am out of it. There is down the road, people die, they get to the point they can't go to the program, somebody new ta]ces over. But as our consti tuency of supporters moves as your constituency of attendees so we don't have a strong lobby out there but I want you to know that from my experience that this is a program that is very valuable to the community. It keeps people in the home, out of the nursing home, and it doesn't only affect the people in the program. Families, neighbors, and everybody else in the community gets some benefit of it. So, I would have liked to see the regional funding go through because I F041294 = ,Q,')" ... . .' .' ,-.,:.-,-.... g ti ~, [~ [~" "'~ ~i ~.I'. -if. ~i'i.~[~ " ,(:~' J); ~~ I ~ ~. ~ j, 10'; (~T:ri' ,\ " ,~' j '" , , "~t:', ' ,\.." , ..', ~ ". .... . :.' , ;,<",..,r"., ",.',' - #13 page 6 didn't think that the Senior Center could accommodate it. But at least I want to support the $25,000 at this time to get something going. Thank you very much. Horow/ Mr. Sokol, I would like to let the council know that you have graciously accepted to be on this task force when I approached you. Steve Lacina, Chairman of the Board of Supervisors, and I met this morning. We have arranged to have seven members on this task force. Mr. Lacina and myself, Mr. Sokol, Tom Muller on the Senior Center Commission, Sue Finney has agreed to do it from CCN, we will be having someone from the University's Center on Aging, Pat White the attorney will be on, Marge Penney will be the facilitator, and the resource staff who will be exofficial will be Bette Meisel and Doreen Meija. And we have formed this task force for two objectives. The first objective is the short term one. That of getting space for FY95. That is to be the answer to that is a recommendation to come back to council by the 29th. I am sorry I pronounced Doreen's last name incorrectly, Nidly, I'm sorry. The second objective, however, is what you really are getting at and that is the more long range look at the needs of the population coming over the next ten years. The needs that will be evident by this age group. Both who are frail as well as healthy. Looking at the local area, the county area, state legislation, and so through having these two objectives we hope to make a decision but also being able to have advise and recommendations for both the county board and the city council over a long range period of time. A \;;I r~ Sokol/29th of what. Horow/ 29th of April. The first meeting will take place on the 27th of April and the recommendation will be made at that time or by the 19th. Sokol/ I will need to talk to you about that. Horow/ okay. Sokol/ Any other questions. Did a perfect job. Hope Sanchez/ Hi and I am in favor of the money to build a new center in the Pheasant Ridge area of Iowa City. As a teenager who has lived in Pheasant Ridge for about 6 years I am really familiar with the neighborhood center. So much so that it is where I am currently employed. The center was, when I was young, and still is among one of the most popular places for young people to hang out. It provides a lot of fun and educational acti vi ties like after school and teen groups, tutoring program, pre school work experience programs, drama /' , r ,\ C \ i ~ ,-",( . I '(' I. ~ ~'~~ :i , F041294 r~' . , !'~;. 't, " " (: i': '. ~ eo ( ... - ') I 0 0 0 '~ ,",' .' ,f' ~ ~;il,Q3 . I, J \ .A /,....:t . 1 1 ~ I , 1 'I ~~~ ?;~. r:i 1'1 iY\ L. )('.0 ., ,~, y ~ " ',~" , "t\\i , '. . ',.. ,~. '" , "',,', , '-., . :~ . - ..-........._,._".""..,,-, '.-C-',L:,...--;;,...;,;...' "-,.", ",'..-,.. #13 page 7 F041294 trips and countless others. These programs and the people that run them are exactly what keeps high risk teenagers who Ii ve in this area out of trouble. It is a respected and appreciated organization. But the one major problem we have at the center is the space. We are confined to a very limited space which means that people are not receiving the attention that they need and deserve. That people are being denied entrance into groups that they might or should be in. And the center's services are not being used to their fullest extent. My first point is that the teenagers and kids are not recei ving as much attention as they need and deserve. Because of severely limited space, the teenagers that are not allowed into the neighborhood center right after school because of after school groups going on and these kids, these teens, might be having serious problems or might just want to hang out at the center because for fear of danger in other places and because of the space they can't come it. They can't receive the help that they need. Also, several kids, especially in the after school groups, are being denied entrance into the after school groups because there is simply no room for them. They are over crowded. It is unfair to those young kids, K-6 graders who can't come in just because it is hard to control a lot of kids in a small space. If the center space could be extended, then that means the limit of kids in the groups could also be extended and therefore benefit more children. And that brings me to my third point, the fact that the center is not being used to its fullest extent. No matter how many groups we at the center provide and how much counseling is there or how many kids want to stay there so they are not out in other places where they could be getting into trouble, where they could be doing other things and going to places where there is no positive reinforcement for them. None of this can be done if we can only serve one group, one age group of kids a day and not allow other kids at the center because it is really tough to keep an open door policy when there is not enough room for the kids in the center. If the problems of space limitation remains we simply can't serve the kids and the teens to our best ability. In conclusion, having a larger center would result in many promising changes. More kids could be allowed in the center any time. That means that both teen groups and after school groups could occur simultaneously. Therefore, helping more kids most of the time. Also the services at the center provides to adults could also occur such as bread distribution and parent meetings. These meetings could go on without disturbing any of the kid groups or any of the staff people. The programs could enlarge to incorporate as many people as possible and therefore, they are helping everyone which is what the center's main concern is. It is helping everyone in the community. If we are not helping as many people as we can - _,JJA - ,Q ). ,.. . - n"_____'_ ~ ~, ~ t. I"j\ v I "5 t .. ~d .,;, ',\ ~" / ,1 \ " ...., r,;~'i ( I I I' i I ~ , I 1 '1 !.':l~. ';':1 " L, iC 0 ""t". t> , "It" ',\\i" ." , ',' ....1' ~ '. . ~_.._/,,'~ #13 page 8 then I mean the purpose of having the center there is to defeated because we are not helping anyone. If we work to better provide services for all of the people we are creating better individuals and better neighborhoods. Especially for the children in our neighborhood. Thank you. Horow/ Thank you. Is there anyone else who would like to address council. Tom Muller/ The Chair of the Senior Center commission. First of all I would like to thank the council for moving this hearing up. If I start to fall asleep. I feel sorry for you folks. I am not blaming you, I understand. I am here on behalf of the commission just to mention briefly a comment about the Johnson County Health Department Adult Day Program and their desire to move it. The Commission felt kind of blind sided or at least we though we were on this issue but we are most happy with your approval of using a task force to resolve the issue and we are going to be as supportive as possible. Just wanted you to know that. Thank you. Throg/ Thanks, Tom. Horow/ I would have to say Tom really persevered. He couldn't get through to me on the telephone because I was on the telephone all afternoon so he showed up at my front door. Thank you. I appreciate that. Is there anyone else. MaryAnn Dennis/I am here representing the CCN. The CCN spent hours discussing the funding recommendations. We have provided you recommendations that reflect our best intentions, thoughts, and very hard work. The Adult Day Program by far generated the most discussion and the committee recognizes the difficult, decision that must be made. Committee members urged the newly created task force to concentrate your efforts first on deciding whether the Senior Center is the appropriate facility to provide services to all seniors in our community. Thank you. Horow/ Is there anyone else who wished to address council. Is there anyone who wished to address council on the HOME Program. Charlie Eastham/ Again I am making this request solely in my capacity as President of the GICHF Board of Trustees and it is simply to extend or request for site acquisition to HOME Program funds which are allocated to the City of Iowa city. As I indicated earlier or to follow up in my comments about a request for CDBG funds, we would use the same reasoning and request the council approve designating $185,000 in the city's F041294 - -~=.. ,,- .:' 'J: , ", - . ; " ~- . 0' :.-' "" ' ,', . ~~ ... . " .. ~ ~ ". I " js 10 '" "', J!mIt',a"', ,) " '-', ,'~ I ( : ,C;;) ," , \ \ ~.. ,Y , ' , ~ , I , ; i I I , ,b 1\:'. ! , I , I i i I ~'~ r.il' ~'.'j ;-',,', i!""., L~ c.._ 0 <. ", ,-' .-..;! , , .~'.. " . '--,t.': --...., .... - ....,~ """ ._'~,~ ~.-- ;'.1; ~';"" ' . .....-~.._,_...;",-,--",.,',;"..:...:,; , ~', :,,",: ,~' -. #13 page 9 HOME Program allocation for site acquisition for the joint project-the GICHF Project and Mr. Burns. Throg/ Thanks, Charlie. Jim Harris/ I am a member of the Iowa City Housing Commission and I have just passed out to you a recommendation from the Commission formulated this morning at their 8 o'clock meeting. So I wanted to give it to you because I didn't think I would get it to you any other way. I think the substance of it is the Commission recommends to you in regard to the HOME funds that this following four allocations be made and they are very similar or exactly the same as what the staff had recommended in the beginning and the issue was raised as to whether the community Housing Development Organization that was making a proposal at that time was going or construct a development which was entirely intended for low and low moderate income housing income households. I think the staff felt that should be a mixed income development and the petitioners agreed to that. So I think opposition on the commission was that it takes a great deal of time to work out all of these financial arrangements and we would seek to recommend to you this allocation and also with that a review after six months and I think there may be some confusion in your minds as why we designated this or it was designated as a community housing development organization for which there is a small set aside. I guess, I think I am right in saying this, mandatory to the HOME allocation. But the GICHF is the only qualifying CHDO so that is the reason why they may seem a little confusion in your minds. I would be happy to answer any further questions if there are any. Nov / Thank you for meeting this morning and running over here tonight with your recommendation. Horow/ The Housing Commission felt strongly that the CHDO should be increased at the expense of the Housing Relocation and Replacement Rehabilitation. MUller/ Yes. Horow/ Was there a reason why. Were you seeking other funds for flood relocation. Was this part of the conversation that there would be other sources of funding. Muller/ I am trying to recall exactly what-Marianne Milkman was behind me. I trust she is still there. Perhaps she can supplement what I have said. Marianne Milkman/ There was discussion about the need for the F041294 '~ ~ ~ - :-7~.:T.q<'1\ .,.. . , ' .".,:---,_.,. Pi> 'I I 'IS ,;1'0.. .. ' " ~~' \ ~, Y i ' '" , , "It' "I'j. '" ':. ., ,"....', ~ ... . . " " , ..'.",.'....'...',."w""...'-'..,._ .. . ...,-..,-.... '" ' ,". .'."..,,_'.......-..,. A #13 page 10 funding for the manufactured housing replacement and repair. And I think the majority of the commission felt that with this six month limit that I think is stated in their handout you got, they felt that they wanted to see after six months how much money had been spent on manufactured housing replacement and repair program and how far the site acquisition for the GICHF/Burns Project had gotten. And then if there could be a shifting of funds again at that point. Nov/ Can we assume then that this is worded similar to the CDBG funds based on acquisition and rezoning we will then hand over the money. Milkman/ Right. Yes. Horow/ And legally we have the ability to be that flexible. Milkman/ Yes we do. Horow/ Thanks, Jim. ~ I Ben Moore/ Most of you know me as Ben Moore. I have been on the Housing Commission for about nine years, presently chair. I am not here representing the Housing Commission. I am here representing a concern that I have. Up until this morning the staff had recommended to the Housing Commission that $295,000 of the HOME money be awarded to manufactured housing. I still recommend that as a personal feeling for the fact that about an hour and a half or two hours ago we heard for the mobile home people, manufactured housing people, out of Towncrest that they need relocation. Along with relocation you are going to have a cost of some of them are going to have to be replaced. I think there was four or five that has to be replaced. And also a replacement-part of that replacement is going to have to be rehabilitation to those mobile homes because some of them are still the pre-January 15, 1976 approval and there are a lot of repairs that have to be done to them. There is a lot of rehabilitation. One other concern that I have is not just Towncrest. There are Baculis Trailer Court, Thatcher Trailer Court, Regency Trailer Court and also everybody keeps forgetting about Forest View Trailer Court who has a lot of old trailers in that area, too- manufactured housing. I feel there is a need now for this money to be spent as you all heard from Towncrest people that for relocation and so forth. The three R's I am referring them to. Not against the Burns project, it will probably go through. But there is a need now. The concern I have-one concern I have of the Burns project is off the subject is the social factor of what is going to happen when all of those units, even though 40% of them are low income, end up being Q .1 \ ..>!I r:~ , I' I Ii I I "t " ,. , I ",i:..: "1 ti F041294 r l ~ :', ,', ,::(~- ~ ~~ I - )'.' i !o 0 ,0 ..' "5 , , ~ " i \, ~r ,. " :~ ''\'' : , , r ,_~I,' r'-' \ \ -,.' ~.(..,.. , I' .j I I I I I , ~: I' , i i : I ,t .J \~ ! , ,(__ 0 ,~>~"'~' , " .' '. ",~P:\l;' , . ~ I '. ,'" '" , '...' , '." ,'~., .... "',".i1" 1 . ." .t....,,',,', ;'~'..-,;,.,..~":'",::'l..,.._,:.;"..".Jo........_._._.,_ # 13 page 11 that phase which is all in one area of town. We have that area of social problems right now on Broadway. But the main thing I am talking about tonight is what our need is now. The Burns Project will take six months to, we were told this morning, to achieve ground. Then another year to year and six months for development and construction of the project. So here we have all of these 47 people out at Towncrest Mobile Home Court that need the money even though the First Avenue Group has given $150,000, negotiated $150,000, on that. There is also 180 some trailers down in southern Iowa City called Baculis Trailer Court. They are getting some funding from FEMA but it isn't, I don't think, going to be enough. To my knowledge and we all know that there is in the workings a mobile home manufactured park that the city is going to help subsidize in the works. But to my knowledge none of this $295,000 will be applied to that. It will be basically for rehabilitation, relocation and replacement. And I think there is more of a need now for that with the floods and also with the replacement out on First Avenue and Muscatine Avenue. Horow/ Thank you. Any questions. Nov / Can we have a 1i ttle bit of information about how the committee went from this number to the other number in spite of what you said. You certainly make convincing argument here. Moore/ I could get in trouble. I think the committee feels there is a need for low income housing here in Iowa city and right now, if you are aware of it, there is between 94-95% of our voucher and certificate program are being used. That is on a rotating basis. There is certain months we only have 80%of them being used or 89% being used. So we feel there is a need. We don't want the Burns Project to die to this is why they switched to that to give them the six months. Up to that-why we didn't have a recommendation on this a month ago is because we allowed the Burns people to come back in on the CDBG money after another meeting to reconfigure their percentages, 40 & 60%. At that time, up to that time, the Committee had approved up to that time approved this $295,000 manufactured housing. Kubby/ When you saw the Burns Project it was originally 100% low mod income and that wasn't acceptable. Moore/ Right. The city staff did not recommend it and as of 8 o'clock this morning where it was changed the city staff still did not recommend it. I was the only vote there to vote against it. F041294 ~: "iW - ), '. .'" ,.' ..'. . . , ..'. " " , ,,', . .,'. r,\ I,', ','\:I .",":",.,'i' I , I " , , ... . .. I )5 ~.d' ,.'C. ,",' _...'-,, ,.",\"': '. ~' , ,', . ~,' ,"'. '" '\t' .":":'.\1,; '* ,,'.. :l', . '. '" ," " 'I: "'!' . --, ',- ~, , ,I' ' . i " _ "_' ';,;'"., "...," ''-,'':.C,.;.:"~,,;,,,,__:,,;,,_,_;,~,'~'~'~'i';~;'':':~':':'.(';''''A ,_.-,"'-"--'-....;~__h_ '. ';.', . ' ....' .._~._;...-..-......"-",....,,~-,C,'.-___ ";'_". .,.,','^",",.._...._.,,_..~____......_ "'! "....~ /'7": " ,,\),,: "..-. , l \ \ ~ I' , " I I , , k, , I"; I, ,I , , , I ~ rr-:- , " 'L_,~_ #13 page 12 Nov/ Thank you. Horow/ Anyone else who wishes to address council on HOME Project. Kubby/ Before the p.h. closes, do we have correspondence. Horow/ Moved by KUbby, Any discussion. (ayes) . seconded by Pigott to accept correspondence. All those in favor signify by saying aye Kubby/ I have watched CCN or have been on CCN since 1983 and decisions are never easy because there has always been some project that has CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 94-60 SIDE 2 KUbby/ Seems the most difficult and I am glad that I was not on CCN during these deliberations and I just want to again thank CCN for all the time and effort that you took in discussing this. We need to thank our volunteers. Nov/ And this committee worked very hard. Pigott/ They really did. Kubby/ And actually, after thinking about this task force idea a little bit and after reading the minutes of CCN again, I think that I kind of am not as interested in the task force idea although it is acceptable. So I don't have any problem with it but I think our task forces are CCN and the Senior Center commission and that what we really need to do is have the Senior Center commission look at this. You have got CCN's recommendation, hear from the Senior commission and then it is our responsibility to make the decision even though I don't feel fully qualified to do it. I would listen to both commissions so I guess that would have been an acceptable way for me to do it. The task force is also- Horow/ Also remember that that particular program is a county program. And so from that perspective we had to do it from a different angle. I appreciate that. Nov/ The Board of Supervisors have to make this decision also. Horow/ P.h. closed. F041294 i ' ~ )> ,,", '" ,', . " ,,;..> <:f'":,, "..:2" '/\ ':\',~>,' :i:/'," j,', J I , , . ... . , - , ' I 1'5 ,,, ,:10'" " . ,.".'\,,', I,,', I~' " '.' .,.,,', '?',,' , . ,:' ~:': I ", '" , " . : '::~~; \'1 ,'." " . .'.' . " " . , . , ','~;., ..'.. 1 ... . f , "." - #14 page 1 N$F$W/ (#14) Declare the p.h. open. Pigott/ Thanks for staying with us, Clyde. Clyde Gillaume/ Actually I guess I would like a point of clarification first on this. Is it irrelevant if the change in the CB-5 zoning doesn't go through. Is there still an impact fee that can be implemented without the change in the CB-5 zone. Baker/ The parking requirement. Gillaume/ Right, that was addressed earlier. Gentry/ There would be no impact because CB- Gillaume/ CB-5 currently has no parking requirements. !. ~ \ Gentry/ No impact. Nov/ No parking for commercial. There is still an impact fee on parking requirements for residential. Gillaume/ I am obviously here to address the commercial aspect of it. Actually a lot of the points were covered earlier and a lot of good points made. I guess I would suggest that we do listen to the individuals who have spoken earlier this evening. I don't remember hearing anyone speaking for the impact fees. We are not talking about obviously just the CB-5 zone. The impact fees do go all the way down on the south side to the RR tracks. I don't know how clear that was made to other individuals who will be influenced by that. I guess just a few points that we should look at and readdress one of the points that was made earlier concerning this. parking impact fees have to go directly towards parldng ramps, is that my understanding. As we encourage development in this area I have heard many of you say in the past that we want to encourage use of the transit system also. If that is our intention what is the point of impact fees that have to go towards parking ramps. If you don't make parking ramps available then we will be forced to use public transit. If we do make parking ramps available that is additional revenue source and the parking system is a very healthy system. It supports the transit system right now by $638,000 a year. with an additional-if we have the encouragement- 'A\ \J .. ,-- \ ~ I I , , j I I , ~ , I , " , , I' : I , I ~,'I '1 .~ Nov/ It is not that much. Kubby/ It is $90,000. F041294 ~ l' ii , " " I -, , C' ~ 1,- , ], r D, ,Q,' ')~ '\1 _..~ ... ~ ,", ,'-'. , ,', ,\ ~a' ....,'i .. ~ [" \ .-'l t.~ I . \ . I , . i \ i i \~, ',j j 'I ....". ,-' ~.r til , ( , .' ;~ ,',~"', I , ' ,';,...,. ' "t ','", \~r,' " , ,', -, '" . ,'I , ,", . '~"I ,.', , "".:'. ,., . """,.,.":..~,..~j)__L.,,.... ..."',~~, ,;-" "~~"',. :L ,"_" . ,..,'.-,.'',"'_'H'..__._'_. .,-~,--","",", #14 page 2 Atkins/ $90 I 000 transfer on July 1 from the Parking Fund to Transit. Pigott/ That just happened this year. Nov/ That larger number is probably what comes from the general fund. Gillaume/ There is a supplement there that it is not supporting itself. If we are increasing the demand on the Transit system it may reach a point where it is more self sustaining. And that is the point. If we are encouraging development in this area and not encouraging parking. We are not collecting impact fees to build more parking ramps and draw more cars down here, you really want to encourage use of the transit system and you don't want parking impact fees. Kubby/ I don't think people are thinking about it that way. That it is not whether or not we are going to build a ramp. I think the majority of people on council are saying a ramp has to be built there. Gillaume/ And that is what city staff had projected prior to this issue even coming up. That we are going to have to build a ramp. Kubby/ Do you think we need to corne up with a new facility south of Burlington. Gillaume/ Not in that 3 1/2 block area. Eventually yes I do. But will that be enough to encourage development to build a ramp. No, I don't believe that is true. without tax abatement the costs are still too high in the particular area. If we have the time now I am willing to go into finances and tell you why these projects are paper thin on $200,000 worth of impact fees or smaller project. In that example of that proposed development $200,000 is 2% of that project. That changes whether the project will work or not. Throg/ Can I ask you a question clarifying that. It is in excess of a $9 million project. So you say it is 2 1/2- Gillaume/ If it is a $10 million. $200,000 is 2% of $10 million. Throg/ If that parking impact fee is spread over say a five year period. If it was, would that have a more benign effect on the financing of the project. Gillaume/ I don't know the specifics of this project. But if you F041294 "I - '...A",....)... \,,;" . -';" o " '. . ,,_ u,"_'_' o i I '.i5 .. , 10, ,,,, " ,'" ,', , 'i ~ .:;S:J.~'lt . , I \ i!1 , , I , \ I , , : : , , 0" '1 'r-.',r ~~ f.\ (, " , ~' 1 (-_.~ .,' ,~' ", '., ' , "1,' ",\\1 , '. . , ,~, '" , "',0\ 1 '.. . ,:.;';..;j;.<:" ',-... ..__.__.___,_,',..,~c, "...; '...j,:.'.",: ...'-"", #14 page 3 are looking at projects in general, it may. When you look at financing on a project, you need a debt service ratio of 1 1/4% taking into account the loan servicing and everything else. And if it meets that 1 1/4% it goes. If it doesn't meet that 1 1/4%-it may be only $10,000 that effect whether it meets that percentage rate or not. And if it is only $10,000 or if you spread $200,000 over five years obviously it is more money than that and that project doesn't go. It is that thin. But that is what makes business go and you, Karen, brought up before whether if the demand is great here in Iowa city why aren't they willing to pay the higher rents. They can go elsewhere. They want to come to Iowa city but is it worth coming to Iowa City to pay above market rates to be here. All it is going to affect by not allowing this area to develop is the other rents in Iowa City for the current businesses that area here will start paying more and their profit margins will decrease. Kubby / But what will happen after a few years when this tax abatement period is over. Won't those rents have to jump to a certain level. Gillaume/ Market conditions will suggest all rates in general will increase just as the cost of doing business. Taxes will increase, utilities increase, and so on. So all rents in the community. Everything constantly increases. Kubby/ But because there is an artificial lowering of the rates because of government intervention, you have to add that plus inflation. So won't it be more than just an inflationary jump or won't it. Maybe I don't understand it. Gillaume/ I don't know the exact rent proposals on this particular project but in general and generally speaking, the market- everyone's business will develop to a point. It all depends on who you get for tenants of course. The individuals that are intended to come into these types of projects that are the larger businesses can at that point in time, once their business has developed, can sustain the higher rents at that time. And they will be higher than market rents more than likely at the end of that ten year period. Kubby / That is a primo corner. You would expect to pay higher than market rents. Nov / The theory on this is that the rents do go up gradually because the tax abatement is diminished gradually. It doesn't jump at the end of ten years. Horow/ Are there any other questions. F041294 " ~:"',O.'. ' ",/ ", . '" , '.),'" , ,"~ ' ... . .... I }:, I o " 10', ~ . ~ (~~o '. " ", , ,i ., , ": ~ " : "\t'", ,.\ I: ' '.'h' " '" . ,', , t;" , \.' ..' - , ". ..,~,,: ... ,'.. . . , " . -'._~ft,_.._,~,~;.''-;''''''''';'';'~';''';'''' :'..',.':,",'::.,', ,'~'_'-","""." .'. ..'.'_4_.. &II. #14 page 4 Gillaumej My point on this is I don't see where there is any justification to go forward with parking requirements in the CB-5 zone or impact. We want development and we want it now. If we want to benefit from the increase in the tax revenue, just vote for the tax abatement tonight and skip the whole parking issue. Thank you. Kubbyj Getting back to that whole 20 square block area, do you think that the parking needs are different in different parts of that area. Gillaumej Definitely. Kubby j At one point we were kind of agreeing that that was the case. Trying to figure out how to differentiate between the different needs and we haven't been able to come up with- Gillaumej until you can come out with this we are looking at this specific Near South Side zone, the CB-5 zone. It is too costly to expect any parking to go in there. Nor we would we want parking to be in that area. Kubbyj The specific project has underground parking, 30 spaces. Gillaumej Let them provide what they can provide. But to change the zoning of that that they are required to provide X number of parking and so much on site and so much to pay impacts off site is not practical. It won't happen. .F;\. \:J Horowj Thank you very much. Close the p.h. Item #15- Bakerj But did we want to close this. Horowj Do you want to close this. Bakerj We haven't heard from PjZ on this one either. Throgj We don't want to close it. Horowj Back up. Bakerj I would move that we continue the p.h until the 26th of April. Throgj I will second that. Novj I wonder if this doesn't need more time than that. F041294 . . ..~ '~~i")" '. \; , ' " ,,~ ", '.: ----'~-'- ,,:,' , 25, fd:,: ;",' . \ '.. '~i """'":', '1\' ~:,,~ i" ..~...., /, "Jf,'.! r , \ ) \ I ~, I ; I I I i i I ~, , f':'~ I !, : : I i' , I I' , I ~',c,v ,/ ,'._<.'...'.: , "I " " i:; '" 1"1 ' I~ '\. " l._..-(. r-.~ ,~\..._'_.~m " , '''' " ,': ,'..:~~:,,~.i\ , , ",~' ". .. ., , .. ..'~.. '. ' , ...' , " . . ... , ,,~.:,..,:~:; ;..,'.-_,_...,"-~-_.., ..___..., .__,~..:.__.., ,..',..".-.c''',.;..,"'.',.-,.;,:,:~' .',~.::_:..:U:',~;,::,. .'.~,; ,.'", "':':': ~,',., .- ..,'.__,~..~,," _~....,_~..,_ ~"'h ..._ .--..-, , __ #14 page 5 Baker/ We can always go beyond that. Something I was going to say on the next item relates to that, Naomi, which is-I can go ahead and say it now I guess since we have a limited audience here and Clyde is captive. We got him. When we started this process 6-8 weeks ago, whenever it was, on the first vote on the Revitalization Plan I said at that time I was uncomfortable with the underlying zone requirements and I would like to see those changed. But because we had a specific project in front of us that it was possible to get done this year if we could agree on the zone changes and the revitalization plan that we ought to continue that process. I said at that time that I will assume that in the process we would get comfortable with the underlying zone changes and then deal with the Urban Revitalization Plan. All with the effort of trying to speed up this process in such a way that at least a majority is comfortable with the plan and the zone at the same time. To speed up that process because we had a particular development that wants to go this year possibly under whatever plan we would come up with. We were told tonight that if we change anything there is no project. My sense of urgency is to diminished therefore. One of the things that is going to happen on #15 is I would stress that we defer the vote until at least two weeks from now and the one that is going to come after this, #16 as well and let P/Z look at this. If we are not driven by a particular project than let's get comfortable with the rules as soon as we can and possibly do something this year but if it takes longer than two weeks we ought to take longer than two weeks. I would like to get it resolved within two weeks. Get it settled, voted, go. But if it tales longer and evidently it is not going to impact a project now let's take as long as it is necessary. I I " Pigott/ I don't know that it will or will not. It has been said but things change and maybe it will. I would like to give it at least a couple of more weeks and see from there. Not necessarily meander through this process. Horow/ But we have meandered and it is a good word for it and at this point I find it difficult for the public to understand what we are doing. I find it difficult to merely explain this and I certainly the public reaction or citizens reaction to me is that council is unable to make a clear decision for what it wants to do. Pigott/ I don't think that is true at all. Throg/ We are clearly trying. Some people are saying that to you. Baker/ That is exactly what we are trying to do-make a clear F041294 ....--. - ..',;."..i:~l);., .,' ~. 5' It]. '\ - I".""" ", ~::";.~i" '" " ,'I: ,} c'", , I. ,~ \ ~ . I I I , I I I i ,1(." I ~'~ , , . , 0-:~j J ?i(,~~' ;'ir1 t 'L__~ ., ~I ,)' j '" , . ':,~t; , '. ..\1.-, , , ~ , , .~.,. ;. " ....: ~ 1 '.', . #14 page 6 decision. Horow/ But we are not achieving it. Baker/ We are not achieving it on the time table that makes everybody happy. But we are going to achieve it one way or the other. Kubby/ We preferred it to the 26th date because if it is not ready you can always defer it again. But this way it gives the message that we need some discussion, have it on the 26th, in case things change this project can be reconfigured or finding additional financing to make the project go. And I guess I don't want to close off that option. Baker/ Once we resolve the zone changing, the zone changes issue, we can certainly speed up the process. Horow/ Larry , I think I have to be blunt enough to say that I disagree at this point and I frankly would like to stop it. I would like to take a deep breath and start over again. As a matter of fact I intend to vote against this. Throg/ Against the deferral. Horow/ Against the deferral. Against the resolution. I think that this-well, when we get there. In other words, I will not vote for the deferral but if- We are talking about p.h. and whether we want to close this, defer it and I am giving you my opinion. Kubby/ You are talking about, Sue, stopping the process and saying whoa. We need to really settle down , zoom up and look at the whole South Side and start over. Throg/ If I said that someone would accuse me of trying to obstruct the process and I am not going to excuse you of that because I don't think you are trying to do that. But I am aware of the fact that somebody would say that about me. okay. I don't think you want to obstruct the process. What you want to do is come up with something that is good for the city. Horow/ The process has already been obstructed by the changes that we have continually been inflicting on this. We have started out before you came on council with a CB-5 without any parking at all. And the object was to expand CB-10. It was CB-5 simply because there was some residential but we didn't want to get as much residential I there as the normal market would allow. I am beginning to look lilte Jim again. I think. as Bruno has said, we have meandered from that original concept F041294 ~- ~.,.. - :,q .J. .'::' --- " " ~. . , '. , ~ ij , ' j ~,. , ~~ ' {.i' ~lJ;.\ rlf r~~ I>i I"\~': " ' {~' t 'a ~. .~ (- t ii I CD I )) 10; .' '" ,,", ,\ i.'illili'i" l' ,.' , ,~~ , \ '...... t:~ , ' ~ I I I I I , i , ~~. ,I' , I I' t I 'I' ~1 .' . li~.'.' ~:I i, ::~i ["', , l[ . ., " "'. :'t' ' ~" \\( '.'l" :~. "':' , , ,~ ,.,...1\ , " . . ."'.....,,...- "':"~""~~:~'::""'" . , -. ._,..-..:.:....:~.".."~,-,-"..".~'..':,,,~, .,":_;,~~ """'" ,..~'..'...,,,.'...'. '"',"'..;.,, #14 page 7 so much so- Throg/ We have diverted away from it. Horow/ We have gotten, well, I am going to use the word because I feel that very strongly that and I am having trouble each time I talk about this with P/Z members or with Larry I have faith that it is all going to work out. In the cool morning thinking rationally I think to myself no way. And if I think that way that is my consciousness. That is the way I-right now I feel very uncomfortable with it. Lehman/ Susan, really the bottom line is either four votes or more who will support a revitalization zone without a parking impact fee. That is the bottom line. I think that we owe it to the developer to let them know right now. I think that is a philosophic thing and if we can't agree to do it then let's say hey, we are sorry, we will go back to the drawing board, we will start at ground zero. But as far as your prospect is concerned we are not going to do it. Baker/ You are absolutely correct and I want to say this for the tenth time. That has been my position from the very beginning. It is not my meandering. It is not my indecision. It is the justifiable concerns of the part of other people on this council. And if there are not four people that agree with that, you are right, they should say that now and say without some sort of change in the parking and the impact fee schedule, I can't support of revitalization plan. I will say that now. Kubby/ I guess we need to hear if there are people who say if you change the parking I can. Horow/ Wait a minute people, procedurally we are about to make a decision on item #15 before you have made #14. Gentry/ You have to vote on your motion to continue. Horow/ That is right. Kubby/ And it is the motion to continue to the 26th. Horow/ The motion was made to continue to the 26th. Kubby/ Sue, what would you think of postponing or deferring it to the 26th and seeing what happens between now and then and then postponing indefinitely. Horow/ No. I am going to say no because I think we have postpone F041294 r~ JIt..!II -- ... '..:~ " .0 ....' ..','.]. .,..'...'...,' . "":'/""". ."~ --- .' o '.', ... . '- I ., , 'J r... .. ..J " , ' Q '., 10. ,,') , , "I' ,:'l>liiillI' .'., " ''';' .: ( ,\ ,'~ , , \ ;1 I , , , ~, I : I 'I i '1 ~~ '~ " l' iie r" ;L__~ ;'.. " ~; ":~.' ,i ., '-",'. "t' -:,', '.\ !.~ , , " '" , ',' " ',.. ,'-',., ,",.', , . #14 page 8 this and deferred it and referred it long enough. Nov/ I would be willing to say this item could be deferred to the 26th because we know that this issue is still pending in P/Z and I am not happy with the current proposal as far as parking requirements are concerned. And I think that changing the parking requirements is a long drawn out type of discussion. I don't think that we are going to happily settle this kind of thing on the 26th. Franklin/ If you are inclined to drop-table this whole issue for a period of time and step back, zoom up or whatever direction you are going to go in. I don't see any sense in continuing with the parking and impact fee discussion at the P/Z Commission level. I don't believe they have any particular desire to go through those deliberations and agony if its for naught. Those changes were suggested by the city council to attempt to get to some closure on the urban revitalization area. If the council is moving to appoint right now of dropping the urban revitalization area there is no sense in looking at these parking impact fee requirements. Throg/ How are we going to decide that. Franklin/ Can they table their decision on #14 and go on to #15-16 and go back to #14. That is just a procedural question, Robert's Rules. Throg/ I don't know if I want to do that. Gentry/ Withdrawing a motion to continue. Horow/ Does Baker and Pigott care to withdraw the motion. Baker/ No. I think that is a simple motion. Horow/ To then take up item #15 and go back and do #14. Baker/ We are not willing to do that. Nov/ There is nothing wrong with saying we will postpone this until after #15. Horow/ Well, wait a minute then. people who wish to continue take a vote. I think I sense there are four this. That's fine. Okay, let's Kubby/ Of the three other people besides Larry, in the past who voted for the urban revitalization area, are you interested in looking at impact fees of some kind. F041294 . - - )......'.. " ." . ",' q ... . -......_.._,0, . I 'It.. , ..) ~l ) , . 1 " ~ ' I~ ~ }.:, '", ;( (lI \!;) ." ici "," '..t.'.,., ~",.. 1,1,' " , .. . Iii 'I' II I I ~\ 1 :;.)' I t I, d,) ~ -.......- , "I":I''''':'Vi ','. ~. jll ~. .. , ~~ V f ,) 'l~' """, -..,,-- ,(.1, " ., -, , ':.~t: " , ',\l'\, '" , '..' " , " . ~ . , '...,'" . ,'" ..,_....",',',..,,,..._,,,~'u_.,_.., A #14 page 9 Nov/ For some areas of the South of Burlington, yes. I think we could consider this. I am not interested in a particular ordinance that has been proposed and I do not think that this particular impact fee should be tied to tax abatement. Kubby/ That is the only way it can be. Baker/ It is not legally. It is just a matter of looking at the whole perception. here is a plan. What are the conditions. For this plan to be in effect, what are the conditions underlying the zone that you are comfortable with before you can vote for this plan. Lehman/ I guess as far as impact fees (can't hear) generally. If we are improving, for example, the project that is up right now, if their taxes triple the first year, I guess I am not too worried about impact fees. i think the increase in tax should enable us to do the kinds of things we would like to do in that area and the more rapid development, after all this is what we are trying to do. If it works we have got the funds without the impact fee. Kubby/ On a practical level there can't be a revitalization plan unless there is some kind of a parking impact fee. So are you interested in that. Lehman/ I am not interested in a parking impact fee, period. Baker/ I want to go back to Ernie's original statement which is not just relative to this particular issue. That train of thought would also be valid for everything everywhere in the city, on the fringes as well as d. t. That why collect money from Eagles for their project because in the long run we collect the taxes for them. Why on the fringes on so on and so forth. Why collect impact fees, or hook up fees or tap on fees or road construction fees anywhere in town if the taxes eventually going to reimburse us. Lehman/ Tell me a fringe area that is going to build a $10 million building on a quarter of a square block. We are talking commercial property. It generates a lot more taxes than fringe area. A lot more taxes. Baker/ Which is exactly what we are talking about with Eagles, a commercial property. Now I am perfectly willing to say to Eagles that that infrastructure cost, pulled up out of schedule out of our eIP, you will have to pay a substantial portion of that. Lehman/ We are talking about not giving them tax abatement. F041294 -- rr- ,. ) .,.'.0 ., ',. ."" o . ... . ", i , ';5 .. ... "10, " ':. . ...,. :~ ",: ~',""'i'-"~ ,"; .. , , i '" \ , r,?j , , , I I i ! I, , I' Ii , I ! I \\ '1 l;~' r, {i' " l (-- '.. 0 I.. ., . , ,~,:" ,~:: ,j , " . :-'t;"'-, , ;:""\" , ','. ~ ,;'.. 'y '" . " '" :" .: , ", :} , ,'" , . :.',;;' .._,_"."'.,',."J...,,',',',.J..J,........_~___... , :.' .' ,,' " '"__::.,;H...~.__.~',q"_",-0"'"'-'":-:;'-',,'.o.:.:':...;.':.:.';,,::,';..i,-i;:,;"",:':.'.';, ',: ','."'--.,.,,''','-~,..__~.'.n._.,_. '.' #14 page 10 Bakerl I still say they ought to pay for it regardless. Tax abatements aren't even an issue. They still have to pay for that impact. Lehmani What do you think the taxes on that piece of property going to be. Bakerl I have no idea. Lehman/They are certainly different from residential areas and fringe areas. We are talking big big bucks. I think there is a significant difference between commercial development and non-commercial development. KUbbYI You don't have a roll back factor. Horowl Karen, what is your vote here. Kubby I I just heard Ernie say that he is not interested in an impact fee. That just blows this whole thing away. Throgl I know I want to say a couple of things before a majority of this council does that. One refers back to something Sue said earlier by having had to do with meandering, obstructing and being unable to make a decision. I see that completely differently, Sue. The simple fact that a majority of council has taken a path of decision that leads away from where the staff proposal originally started does not mean that that majority has been unable to make decisions or is obstructing or doing anything else to try to block that project. It means that we are trying to find a different consensus based on a majority of the council about what to do and what is good public policy in the area south of Burlington. That is what that means to me anyhow. And, let's see the other thing that I would like to say, is if you and others choose to vote down #15, the near South Side Revitalization Plan, that is your choice. It won't be me who is voted to obstruct that particular project. Okay. What I prefer to do is vote to defer action on that, vote to defer action on the parking impact fee, and continue making the decision that a majority of the council was leading towards earlier in the evening. Horowl Pardon me for saying so but it sounds like to me that you are making a decision to defer and the question that is I have is- Throg/It is two or four weeks. Horowl What is the-yeah, but we have deferred it. What more do you think is- F041294 --- - - ~ -, r"' ._ ",:,;~,,'J'::' " , , .f ... ',\ " "'" ('1\ \::J ','.. ?S ,10:, ,'d " . 'r~'. " }~..:_' ;. ,.,,,", ,i !I, I I I k, 1 ' : IX; It ~ I , : I I ' I .l) J j 0c::i ..' giI(; ?~':.'..'.'i~ I." , I,:. .' "" ',',' L_~j :c..~' ., " . ,:. ," '.h,:. :', ~'W,' ,. I ,', , , . "~I' '" . t: I', ... ," ""'.,d: ".. ....,. ~ , .,... . _.:.. ..... ,,,k . ~_'., ,._;:.. :. ....~... ...~ _~ " . .. "'~'"" ',_ :",,:.:,~:")'!C'.I,,_',_, ."~...,,,.,....;,. . .~~,_...-.,_.._.._,'_.--..._,,,...~, .'...,",~,',.,.,;.".. ,,', ' #14 page 11 Throg/ We want action. The majority of the council, in this context, wants a clear decision ont eh parking impact fee. kUbby/ For example, Jim has said that you might change your mind about the revitalization plan depending upon the conversation about (can't hear) and about other plans south of Burlington. That you are still open to that. Horow/ I am definitely open to the revitalization of the Near South Side. There is no question about that in my mind. And the desire to have this go forth through abatement to stimulate that area is very very strong. But I no longer have equal desire for an impact fee. Now this is my opinion and if we-if the majority wants it, fine. But what I would like to have us do is make the decision. If there are a majority who want the impact fee then let's make that decision rather than deferring it. At this point we are waiting for P/Z. Why? Well, we sought their counsel on how this would be structured. We don't get an indication from the majority of us right now on impact fee or if we do then what is the sense of giving it to P/Z. Pigott/ Perhaps the structure that they come up with or their recommendations my influence some councilors on the acceptability of an impact fee and may influence the way they vote on a project overall and that is why I would like to give it some time to think about it and that is why I would like to have the end result from P/Z. I would like to hear for them because I want to know that they think. How it should be structured and that could influence the way I feel about this impact fee and thus the Near South Side Commercial. Horow/ There is a motion on the floor and then let's vote on it. The motion is to defer until the 26. Baker/ To continue item #14 the p.h And that has been moved and seconded. Horow/ Yep. Nov/ And no one wants to continue it beyond the 26th. Are you saying you expect a decision on 26th. Baker/ I would say that I would like to make one. I don't necessarily say that it is going to happen then but I certainly would like to have a clear sense then. Nov/ My concern about this is that we are no longer talking about the CB-5 zone. We are talking about a variety of different zones with in the area south of Burlington. The variety of F041294 - , -:' -~ ).." ,.."..,:' . .';,q, .. ,"' . , " " . I j~ ,,~[t ~.:1' s, \ ,..>j ~,. , , ~ ~.':, "1 ~ '~..: ~, , :;,~ I' I :.. 'c~' ~, ,~"', '" , "'r' "\" , '~ , ',' , .,.', , '-, #14 page 12 different zones and variety of different parking requirements. And we mayor may not want impact fees for all of these parking requirements and we are now getting to the point where the issue is much more complex than the one we started with. Baker/ That is one of the reasons we want input from P/Z. Also, you are right, it is important to remember that the different commercial zones down there already have different parking requirement. CB-5 has none and that is the first step here. So those people are required, I think the requirement is a lower rate than 900 square fee per spot. So in a sense their parking requirement is less-is more stringent that the CB-5 that we are talking about and also it is my understanding that in those other commercial zones they are allowed i the present zoning to build up to 100% on site. what is their flexibility now on parking in the other commercial zone. Franklin/ There is no flexibility. You have to provide it on site. Baker/ You have to provide it on site. Nov/ There is no impact fee. Baker/ So, in a sense, they don't have an impact fee even though we institute one. Nov/ No, if we institute one for the entire area then they have one. Baker/ No. Gentry/ Yes they do. Baker/ The second part of the impact fee discussion is what sort of flexibility you allow. Kubby/ You allow 100% flexibility. They can choose (can't hear). Baker/ And I don't see any and this is what legal is going to talk about. It seems to me it is fairly logical to say when you already have different parking requirements for the zone you can have different requirements about what is required on site vs. what is not required on site. So if you allow them to build-force them to build up to 100% on site, in my mind since they are not contributing to the demand for the infrastructure by putting it on site and we allow or force them to do that they don't pay an impact fee. Now, possible flexibility of this I would like to see us consider and the staff consider is let's say in one of the terms that P/Z has been talking about what I want to talk to Clyde here is a 25/75 ratio. I don't F041294 - -- " -) - o , , ... . - I " t:.. i _) , - f'C\ \J I 10' <":~:'\,',:'.!\' ~'... ., " . - "\1' , . I,\'!,~ , , .~' " '" ." " , " '. ' "',' '. :,...: ~ ' , , , ,'., " " " " . . , , ,-- " .. .' " " ' ._ ~:-., ....:..~.~,_;_:..........:;'....H"'" ~.'llo1....: ,;"::,,,,,\~,,,,::;";, ~"'.,~ ,"..__ J'." ~,.___ _, _..-.:._ ~_~_'. #14 page 13 want to get into too much minutia here. Permit up to 25% on site which is what is comparable to what this particular project would do anyway and then require that 75% of the new required parking be subject to an impact fee. If you allow- that is the only impact fee they pay. They don't pay the first 25%. If you allow some flexibility in the other zones, up to 100% then they can put all of their property as they do not and not pay any impact fee. Maybe they wanted to spend more of their property on their building and pay an impact fee to go into a ramp that allows them that flexibility. It is not a requirement. That is what I think the staff has got to address. Kubby/ We can have the different ratios for the different zones. Nov/ What does Linda say. Gentry/ Linda and Marsha are not at all comfortable with it. Throg/ with what. t ,..:":;; \ \ , Pigott/ Ratios for different zones. Horow/ Sounds like a patchwork quilt. Baker/ But your goal is in the CB-5 zone to eliminate as much space used for parking as possible. Gentry/ The problem is that you are confusing need with location and the impact fee deals with need. Kubby/ So how do we in a practical sense have different needs for parking but make it flexible- Gentry/ That is a zoning question which is a entirely different analysis then an impact fee analysis. l' i Kubby/ Because we have different zones- Gentry/ Could we maybe have this discussion-do we need to do this now. Horow/ No, we can't. Nov/No. I am only illustrating the point that this is a complex issue that- '~ , I : I Ii ~ .9 Gentry/ Yes it is. It is a very complex issue and i- pigott/ That is precisely why I would like to defer this. F041294 .' ~ .. r-i ~f, ( .:(, '~'~~ --'- ;",':,,',,:', ,). '...:',., '. ...., '0.,..,,:,.'.:: , ,,:.- ',' ,.;, ,; '/":", ~",:",": ' , '."" -" ':~ ,'.. '. ... .. CD , I'" " 5 'I", .:I'd' ..""",,,,,;1 ,',' ' , " ~~j' I: ' f .\ ,~''\ \ \ \' \ \ , ~ , ( " 1(' ,I' I i ;,.~t,) '^ , ! ..'."~..'" ~~~ Ji ., iH ,1 :1 ,i't.,. -- :I[:^._~ . ~" Yi ; .' : ",~t ~ ' " ,,\1,, , '. '" . ,~' "'.il t "~ .. _.., ~ ,~.: :,::;L~...~; ...;:,..~;,;,_;:'; .::f. ::: ,',:,_..,;:'.~; _.:1.:',','-',. . ,..., ' ',,; "';;",;'".' #14 page 14 Baker/ If P/Z can't come to a conclusion in 2 weeks, fine, it will take longer. We are going to have a clear decision, I hope- eventually, sooner than later. Lehman/ Larry, why do we want an impact fee. Baker/ Okay. I fell like I ought to write this down. Three reasons in my mind. We can do this. I am missing the party anyway. We can do this. There are three reasons that I started out with 6-8 weeks ago. One, philosophically, I think new development that creates a demand for public infrastructure ought to pay some part of that development. Some part of that infrastructure. Fringes, d.t., everywhere else. That is in the abstract. Politically it makes it much more palatable in my mind to the people in this community to talk about a bigger plan that allows tax abatements when indeed there is some public private participation in costs, politically. And just pragmatically/financially it generates money that we can use for the system that frees up money for the General Revenue Fund and a system that not only benefits the abstract public but the particular developments. In general those are my three reasons. And that the third reason, pragmatically, I have compromised on because when I started this process I was thinking $4,000 a spot and the staff has a figure of $2,000 a spot which I think is woefully inadequate but I am willing to live with that. Throg/ There is another compromise involved in this and I think everybody is missing this entirely and that is the original proposal was to have $1. 3 million tax abatement, correct. Over ten years, right, agreed. I am willing to vote for that. hey, nobody has noticed that. He was willing to vote for that and she was willing to vote for that, I think last meeting. I was willing to vote for that. So I am still willing to vote for that but I don't think that the total benefit of the particular project in mind and the other kinds of development there are worth that magnitude of tax abatement. So i want to find a way to reduce the dollar amount of the tax abatement and connect that particular project and any other particular project in that area to a larger plan for developing the area south of Burlington so that we have public space for public use in that area. That is what I am trying to do. So I am willing to compromise. Willing to commit myself to something that a lot of people who support me don't like. Okay. But I am willing to do it because I think it is in the larger public good for Iowa city. So I would really encourage you to recognize that I am making a big compromise here. Nov / Nobody has said that you have not made this compromise so please- F041294 - -. '),i e, !' ','" - f" . - I. 'it. "" "j I) 10 ,,',", .~}:;t'.i" ;',;'- " ,', , ;. ; , ~! <'":'; , I #14 page 15 Throg/ I am the first person to say Jim, you have made a big compromise here let's acknowledge it. Nov/ (can't hear) My concern is that we are not going to get to your big plan within two weeks. Throg/ Of course we are not. Pigott/ That is not the point either. The point is to move toward it and to keep the vision. :-:-. KUbby/ I can just hear Darrel Courtney laughing. Horow/ Let's take a vote. We are going to continue this to April 16th. Lehman/ Every trip starts with a first step. Throg/ And I am taking steps. , Lehman/ I agree. Nov/ Call the question. Baker/ Wait a minute. No. No. No. j~ r .\ ,--- \ Council/ ( can't understand) Kubby/ I don't mind voting but I don't- Baker/ Remember what I said, any question that gets called on anybody I am walking out. I would rather talk until midnight. ~ I" ! Nov/ We have. Baker/ you want to make-Sue has introduced the possibility of a major redirection here. And talk about meandering, that is a left turn-no, a right turn. Horow/ All those in favor of the motion to continue this to April 26th say aye (ayes). Vote was 6-1 (Horow voting no). p f!; I I ~U \~~ F041294 f " .', ~'i ' :~" (.; 'f. ,,,.- o. ' '"'r , 1 - ',,2_,,' ,OJ" . .'> ,),(, ::, ",',,' ,',' :,>,,:~,';,;;?;:,;,:,'O,,', :',,":',' :/.,.;:! ,. ,', ,. ",' '.oJ,,,?,;,, _",-" .,.. '.r', " " ", "'" ",',' , ',' ". ", 1IIi' ",:,/",'" :,\ - d....,", " , ,;',-, '\,', ..; ,'" ' :\:, " "',' 'I I5 ','\ . "'I'.'.. "',,'! '.,.0..' ,:~;i .1"....",'\.'.."".1'.'","'\ ~) ...~,' '~,~ :~.:" . " , '~" , ..,! .~ I, ( ~ \", ,'- , ' \ ~ I' I' i I :I~ i I 'l' '1 , \~.;: ~, ' ~\ . lfi ~'cnO" y ,.\, ,':,:',-"" " ,'" '. ~~. , , ;: ,.,\;'~:,-\, .. ~: ' '~' ; , . l 'I' " ... . . . ",,-,,;:,;.c,.,,.,..>.. ;.:: ,':'~'''';';'~'::.:"':'~:':::;''';;'~L'''''~i"L:\i..--,,-;. J ,,","'~M.,~i:~':_,__~i~.~. " ' , ' " ":'.___'.:.-__..,,,~.~ . __;~'.,,,.' .."'-'-"~.':.;;~",-".:, ,\, l.',.u,;. .";,;:""";".";",""i..,,,,,_~,,~~:~.:.;~~ Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting April 12, 1994 Page 12 ITEM NO.16 - CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE DESIGNATING AN AREA OFTHE CITY OF IOWA CITY, IOWA, AS AN URBAN REVITALIZATION AREA WHICH SHALL BE KNOWN AS THE NEAR SOUTHS IDE COMMERCIAL URBAN REVITALIZATION AREA (Pass and adopt). Comment: See previous comment. Adoption of this ordinance designating the proposed urban revitalization area is required to implement the Urban Revitalization Plan; therefore, final passage should occur only after the Council's adoption of the Plan. Action: 7~/ tfd- dY'J io fht ~ -0 ~ # ITEM NO. 17 - CON~' DER A RESOLUTION SETTING A PUBLIC HEARIN~OR APRIL 26~ 1994. ON AN AMENDED NEAR SOUTHS IDE COMMERCiA URBAN REVI- TAL ATION PLAN. Comment: The City Council has directed staff to prepare an Amended Near Southside Commercial Urban Revitalization Plan. The Amended Plan defines new construction, limits the amount of residential uses allowed in qualified' real estate, establishes a design review procedure for qualified improvements, and defines the area as only an "economic development" area (rather than both an "economic development" area and "blighted" area). Act;,", ~ra-) 7~ If') ~ ~,,; aU tZ~ ITEM NO. 18 - ANNOUNCEMENT OF VACANCIES. a. Previously Announced Vacancies. (11 Charter Review Commission - Nine vacancies for one-year terms ending May 10, 1995. These appointments will be made at the May 10, 1994, meeting of the City Council. b. Current Vacancies. (1) Committee on Community Needs - One vacancy for a three-year term ending July 1, 1997. (Andy Penziner's term ends.) (2) Design Review Committee - Three vacancies for three-year terms ending July 1. 1997. (Terms of Craig Welt, Don Sinek and Gilda Six end.) These appointments will be made at the May 24 meeting of the City Council. - .j.'."'...".'..' I '" ..., -- , ," ", ,"'. . ','." " " . " .~:' [' ',.' 25, .., .' " '~,~r,;.:',:.::,\Q(;:',,', ,,',"':,!,'i":''-'/,'! .":,::. ~)-;'i,;', \ .,.'",.'.,''' "'M " ",,,, " '.', ~ CD ! . D'" 'i' 00;, .....,n',: ,~~;:<J:'! ,;..,[i""':: .....- , ,,'1; " ~ iJ., ." " I,", . ~, ,. ......,'"., ',...', '" . '. ~ ,;, ,.' '__ __,~......--..._,..~> -__L .__,,,.:. -:,'_~~_ \._...r..,""'.....'"<_ ,...........:____._ "~I Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting April 12, 1994 Page 13 '.,' ITEM NO. 19 - CITY COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS. a. Consider appointments to the Mayor's Youth Employment Board: II\! ~J~ (1) One vacancy to fill an unexpired term ending November 4, 1995. (Karen Heimer resigned. ) Action: 7/f-:IA~ UAMJ& btJf '" f<fU -# 3 (2) One vacancy to fill an unexpired term ending May 5, 1996. (Paul Engler resigned.) , Action: ~<.J mC~eL " o b. Consider appointments to fill the following Community Task Forces: (11 Transportation (2) ....-' li Action: ."' ,. (~ ,} , (31 Action: ~ (4) Action: (5) vironmental Protection 11 ...., , {(~o 1114 "r .:';,>\, ',4,,," " ":"::'\:j,';,Q:,<:;,-, ) " ",,-, ,':' '.'.--" ,.,'. " ',' JY',' . '~:"':'.,'(""._,- .-...".'......-." '\ .', !, nll.;'!'~":~'f[Jm'l, ...., ,,' I, ,"I;"'.""""":"":';"'" , ; ,.;:;:.:~ :' , , 1'\:",,', ~\,',; , 'r ~ .. . . ."" ',~ , :,\ ',,',.: . , r"""'~':'! . "",. ','-',' .' '" . " , , , ""-:,....,;,.:. ., ':"',, ' < ' ';",:. ' '. ) .tw. If":...,,. )' 1,', :';. i , ~ . . ,.' : ,:L;.;.,." '.:..."~"'~ .,~ ....., ,,;;",:'.' ,.;,:~';..~:~.;::.:o.:.;''..:.',,' ;:"'::J.':i~',:"~;:"<:~,,,,, ...:,~...._.__;~~.:...::.,. r~.:,'... , ,I ., ' ' . " ___,n'_..__,__'.....""._,,,', _ ,",,,.~-""..'_,,'--".......; -'<""..'"\.:l..~,.',~,,.._",..~_.__:.....::.:;....._,__ ,'. ;' ...' , ,\ rl ~ i i I ~ , ~~.".. ~1 :CC. 0 Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting April 12, 1994 Page 14 (6) Action: m Action: (8) se and Urban Pattern ITEM NO. 20 - CITY COUNCIL INFORMATION. ....dt// j/J.aJ ITEM NO. 21 - REPORT ON ITEMS FROM THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY. I~Tn~~,- a. City Manager. -0- b. City Attorney. jU/~fl) - - "'.'."..',> ':':"','.";,:,::(':',:",, ,:.' ",,,,', ,;: ...,,,. ,..,!...'1"","'.... ',.' . ",,'< , ' :,", "',' , ", .- ,; ,':',;: . ","1 ..', . '. ':' ",' I I. I , ., ..,1';\ "" ! .,,' \ . " , " ~! s:"ltJ'; . .-,..,' , ' ", . ' .- ' ,I ~,' , ' \ " . L~IWt~: , '. /' " r, ,\ ,-'I \ \ 41 T I" i I I i", I"~. i , , : I ~~ }~ ~ii " I,.'. ("', '--' t[ -''W'""r , ~, . '" . , "'t' ",,\1,1 '.... '--..'.. , ", . :.' , - __. ,_,_..,~ '..,.,..'...,,' ...",,".;cc.'..' ~',';,~. '" ,";, ,',' . ~ ..;'.'..,.", " #20 page 1 Horow/ (#20) City council Information. Lehman/ It is getting late so I will try to keep this one slow- short. A week ago last night we had a meeting with the folks at Independent Living and it was a very good meeting. We have heard from those folks several times considering about the ADA and businesses in this area and I am sure allover the country do not comply and the lack of the ability of the city to enforce that ordinance which we really can't or the law. One of the things we kind of decided or at least had some agreement on and I would certainly hope the council would support this is that the City of Iowa city kind of take a leadership role along with the Chamber of Commerce and Independent Living group to help inform business people in this community as to what the requirements really are. And I firmly believe that many many business people do not even know of the ADA nor what it requires. Other business leaders probably are scared to death that compliance may cost them so much it puts them out of business. I think an informational effort on the part of all three of us would be well received by the community. And there are other things that we can do. For example, designing a decal for windows for stores that comply or businesses that comply. I think it would make a very definite public awareness in the community. We as a city are making curb cuts, we are doing things to make public buildings accessible, bit by bit we are getting there. I don't think the private sector is doing it nearly as quickly probably because they don't know. But I think encouragement by the city, by the Chamber, by the Independent Living folks can make this happen and I think the peer pressure and from other businesses would really be a good thing. I would really encourage this council to work on this. I even talked to- newspapers are very interested in a public campaign. I talked to one contractor who told me he felt most contractors would be willing to give a reduced rate on making changes to make businesses accessible. Bruno, you and Jim were there. You may other things- Pigott/ I wanted to support exactly what you said, Ernie. I thought you put it very well. I also think that we can do more, as you mentioned earlier, decal campaign noting that businesses were accessible would be a fine idea. I would like to support that and work on that with you and other members of the council as well as some sort of awards ceremony for businesses that really work hard to accomplish that goal and work with the Chamber. I would be happy to work with anyone on council to do that and finally, I would be supportive of finding some sort of pool of money. We talked about different possibilities and leave that open. I would be happy to wrestle over that issue with everybody. But to encourage F041294 o " 0 ;', ',',' ).'..".: . ,,:1, . '..: ... . - (1) , I 'i~ "', ,-,. . ~d: ,,'..\ i',:.'",. . ,,'{ tiAN.'lil -:. :1' '~"'" .--.." , , , ,~ \' i ,-- " ... , r~',\ \ I \\ II ~ ! I' 1 , ~. ' I : I i I !b I' , \ I J "~l./ \'\,-~ , " r ~';..l'.'.':. l, . f:' : W'.' -'~ c ' 0 . ;' ;: --,-_.- , ", ~",)" i, " .' '. , '. \~", ' "11\'. . ,..'I. j~, '" ., , , , :~... ' ',1,. . , , ~ " '" ' , ,..'.,__...., M_...,.;.;..,'.-...~,.,',..""'....:.1,~_,..,..-.,,..~,__;_,_. ,. -",;, #20 page 2 businesses to comply with the ADA. effort, as you have explained, is a businesses to comply. I think a multi -front good way to encourage Nov/ I want to announce a couple of meetings and issues that may be of some interest. There is a non-farmers guide to agriculture going on in this community. They have a spring session on April 27, 6:30-9:30, to talk about how farmers plant and farm demographics and soil science, etc. If anyone would like to go they need to register by telephone by calling the Soil Conservation District. That has to be done by April 20 in order to attend the meeting on April 27. There is a meeting sponsored by the Iowa Environmental Protection commission to talk about changes in stream channelization to protect local small streams from flood problems. This is April 21, 7:00 PM, Room A, Iowa City Public Library. Then, on April 22 at Montgomery Hall, 7:00 PM, there is a meeting on the ecology of urban deer management. And the council has had a lot of people concerned about urban deer and there will be a wildlife biologist from Minnesota and this is also sponsored by Johnson county Conservation Board and I hope they will get some good responses. Pigott/ I just wanted to follow up on two quick things. One, we did receive a letter regarding the deer population in our packet and I would like to explore those alternatives of our letter writer. Horow/ I have done this. Pigott/ Great. Then you can talk about it. Second thing I noticed in our packet was a ton of letters regarding the airport and bowling alley and I was-just wanted to note that there is some mis-perception that the bowling alley will be closed if we don't relocate the airport and I think that that is not necessarily a fact. And if it is to happen it might occur in the distance somewhere down the line. Also that should it close there is still an opportunity for a business, a bowling alley, to relocate. Kubby/ That we would have an obligation- Pigott/ Exactly. That relocation funds would pay for. Nov/ And there is also a possibility that any independent business, bowling alley or not, may close whenever they wish. Pigott/ I thought it was just important to clear that. Throg/ It is also we are saying that we are not intending to expand F041294 ,-- ,i~']' ,." 0" ,., ." "",':' ':'1", <.', ,',..,', , ,;,1'" ,,' ,: . Y' ,. " ... ~ " ',' - ~ . r I .."~'5..,lo. '''''''''' ",,-", 'O\ ~:?',.. .' r- \ ,'... T-~ I. I I I , , I I' : \ ~ J .. ~ I , :( 0 " ~! " " .,\."," . "".J\,\i:, . ," ~,' ',. ' ' j~' . "," " "; , "', ,,"...: '~ " .j. ': \ " "" , . , ',.1...' , . , . ,-," _,~_, ,.":,~__,~,,_~':"""'JJ~,....,,,".~,;_,,;.;:t-.:;''::.';''.I..'.:.:i;J:;::';":!.,,',:~;,_.'"",-~".;::':; ','",-,;: ~'",",~'''''''''.'~''''_'' _ ""M ....~_.__ ..~. '. . #20 page 3 the airport though we do have to buy some property and extend easements in order to make the airport more safely operatable. But we are not building some big new airport right there. Pigott/ Even though it may give the impression to people that because we purchase more land we are expanding. We are not. KUbby/ We are not expanding the service capabilities. Pigott/ That is right. Thank you. Kubby/ On the deer thing, I have a lot of detailed information about the reflectors that were mentioned that I will give to Jim Bracthel. Horow/ We just got this. I was talking to Lisa Goodman about this. Kubby/ I have had this information for about a month and a half. Horow/ Is this the strider Light wild. KUbby/ It is the same thing so I will let you take care of it. Horow/ Lisa Goodman of our Animal Control Facility has met with other people: Jim Thompson, a natural biologist, and Grace , from the Coalition at the University, on the problem of deer. Especially in the North Dubuque corridor and one of the suggestions that has come forth from this meeting with the citizen who has written us about this is the use of highway warning reflector systems, strider Light wild Animal Highway Reflector Systems. Our transportation planner will be looking at this material in determining just exactly where and how to locate this. But it does appear to have some very valid experience and is not that expensive, $17, it is not that expensive for it. And it is an attempt to mitigate a difficult problem of deer crossing on North Dubuque. Certainly if we have got them from somewhere else we can consider that. Right now, to protect not only the deer but certainly protect the motorist traveling that way. We appreciate the work being done on this. Kubby/ I would ask that we look at it at the deer crossing on North Dodge, too. Horow/ okay. Kubby / That is the only other area I think we have had some concerns. Horow/ There is some on Rochester. There is not as much of it. F041294 - - .'..) .,.. '.....,.',,0.,..., ,,:, ..'. ,,' "i' ','" ,:' '.- '- ",' ',<"." ."\ ' \ ~ - ' I I ., . , ... . , ... f,)\' v , , J /, 55 ,;,10; ":"/'.,'.',,.,,.\, ' ;~~~\~.;' '; ;,-,,~ ,','" , ," " ':"::})I'l' >, , 'f',' ',....' ., , '; , .. " #20 page 4 I just want to report our officers, our Police Department, has reported in that when we had the gun buy back program which was sponsored by KGAN Television and funded by the Iowa Lottery and Handimart Corp., we received-over three days we received 210 weapons. Bottom line of this is these weapons, 8 were of historical significance and were transferred to the Johnson County Heritage Museum. The rest of them were put up and transferred to a salvage yard where our officer supervisor destroyed them. Who knows, they might be part of a new automobile at some point. The most exciting thing is that we have been invited, once again, to participate in the Iowa City/ Coralville Area Chamber of Commerce Forth of July Parade in Coralville. And I would be delighted-I will be delighted to participate in this. I would really like to have the rest of council join me and so I challenge all of us to come up with some ideas that our collective thought process can- Throg/ You mean we would march in the parade and- Horow/ Hey, whatever turns us on. Last year I walked the whole length in the rain with my umbrella unfurled. It was a- Lehman/ One other thing I forgot. I think it is important. I really think that we should try to look into a possibility of doing a cable cast on the ADA for the general public. Horow/ I have been thinking about that and I would really like to work that up with you. Kubby/ Something practical and not legalistic or esoteric or- Horow/ I mentioned this to Jennifer Olson as a matter of fact-has spoken with me and I think this is a very real possibility. Pigott/ Just one follow on comment on that and it was something I said last night, too, but I did want to say that I would be happy to work with bringing the different variety of groups together and sit down in a room and talk about how we all can best achieve the ADA because I heard some comments last week that other groups would have liked to have been part of the process and work- I know Dale has been working on this for a long time so I would be happy to be a part of that. ~ F041294 (I;.... ,::'l."""--____~____, r-' :-'1" =-, ~:" ):":"--'" " ;t"'i',,,~ ' ,:;:,;',',>;,\~~:,:,! ,), ''',- ". '. :"",' '(,'; "....\' ._.",:'," ,---: '\ >,.,';':' I , ," 1 i I , I I 1 ,1 '... . ..~' ','. , , \ I ,,' .-~.. , , i . 'f"";' ')5 "'00: ,~ . ~ ''',,~~,!,:....><; ~;;-!.:"'::~::~,,:-:-/;:\:";::;' .," . " ',"';' ",~. " '-" ,'.. " ,'" ' ~ ",' , .. ,:' ,,' ':" , ,,'" "", ,,' . ,.':" ", :;'->'",~, .~~___~';":""";'~'''''.'':;'''';''''''.<J,,:!~...'''';,;;:,-;;~::::~;'::~1j,;;,-~\"',V.;:..\l,,-i...''''--.'..;.~.....:.:...:.o....::.~_'~, \, #21b page 1 Horow/ (#21b) city Attorney. Gentry/ I would like to report from Marian Karr and myself that we have finished the hopefully last major edit of the code-back in the codifiers. six to ten thousand pages and you will get it soon. Kubby/ will the index be usable. i / , , , " \ - ~ Gentry/ Yes. Karr/ We certainly hope so. Kubby/ The current index I can't find anything. Gentry/ No one can. It will be user friendly. Horow/ Thank you very much. Anything else. , , I , , I "i Gentry/ No. , i i i -r:" I' (~1 \1 \ ~,~'f I,. , r . ~. F041294 ,- "c____~_ ' r :r.,.'.~~... .- -,,' ,C,:,/i,~/;)'...,' ' ;.,"','/.6.,"""....';\\". '.".,",0,.""""","("" \,",';','" :":.'" ,,'};'... ':"".., ", ',", . I , I i " ..; t1\' ,. lY' . \: ' 'T' i'5 ," ' 1"''''''" 0"..' ,.,. i';' ["'\",,;,j, '.'.: . ,~~ ,'" ~-:;;;(j\l" j- ., .....~. ' . ~ ,~, 'Y'". ", , ".' .' . ," ,',~' '. " "t'll '" "\, . ':.' " .' ,'-'-..! , '". ... . . " ," .,._......"..,-....~.~,",- ,~~" .. __.~...~.",. ...".,,~ .,c'_;..;;.,;;.;'....:,:.:. ~';~ ..; ;..-~.-,'-'"..,~"",~..,,. Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting April 12, 1 994 Page 1 5 ITEM NO. 22 _ CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO 9Jf-/D/ PURCHASE THE PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS THE SOUTHWEST QUARTER (SW 1/4) OF THE SOUTHWEST QUARTER (SW 1/41 OF SECTION 14, TOWN- SHIP 79 NORTH, RANGE 7 WEST OF THE 5th P.M. Oex;JlJ ~ ITEM NO. ~3 _ CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY ENGINEER TO NEGOTI- qL{-/o'L ATE AND THE MAYOR TO SIGN RIGHT-OF-WAY ACQUISITIONS, PERMA- NENT EASEMENTS AND TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENTS IN CONNECTION WITH THE ROHRET ROAD RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT. Comment: This 40-acre parcel of land near the City Landfill is currently for sale. The property is ideal for providing daily cover soil and final cover soil. In the near future there will not be enough soil from excavations to satisfy our daily cover and final cover needs and therefore we may have to buy soil off site. The asking price for the land is $52,500. Public Works staff esti- mates + /- 400,000 cubic yards of soil may be available from this property. Public Works recommends purchase of this property, (Reference March 31, 1994, memo from City Manager to City Council). Action: (?~~ ) 1~ @ , Comment: The City of Iowa City must acquire right-of-way, permanent easements and temporary construction easements to construct the Rohret Road Reconstruction Project. This resolution authorizes the City Engineer to negotiate and the Mayor to sign these documents, including authorization of condemnation if necessary. Every effort will be made to negotiate acceptable agreements without resorting to condemnation. Prior to proceeding with condemnation, staff will notify Council. Action: 1~ / ~~ .~~ &luJ % ITEM NO. 24 - CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING. AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING 'lL/'-/()?;' THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE AND THE CITY CLERK TO ATTEST AN AGREE- MENT BY AND BETWEEN THE CITY OF IOWA CITY, AND SHIVE-HATTERY ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS INC. TO PROVIDE ENGINEERING CONSUL- TANT SERVICES FOR THE IOWA CITY SANITARY LANDFILL. ! r,! , I :~ ~ Comment: This agreement authorizes Shive-Hattery Engineers and Architects Inc. to provide associated landfill engineering consultant services necessary to begin utilizing the western portion of the currently permitted landfill site. The work includes preliminary cell configuration, leachate collection and pumping facilities, new cell construction, and upgrading the hydrogeologic monitoring system. The total cost of engineering consultant services is $285,000.00. Prior to any construction, the work performed by Shive- Hattery Engineers must be approved by the Iowa Department of Natural Resources. Action: ~JtJ/7~ ~% I '1' ~' ..i ,\1 , r t c~ ,':, , --~- - ~-- , ..~. ",' 0 :) I rd~ I," .,',' " S , ,',' ,'." .'\ l~~' i:--'.'-' l \~'\ , , ~\~ ""f f, : I" , ( I I"i j..1 i i'l iil i I t: I: , . ! l : I I ; I' ii, ; ~~:,,>,,: , ~I " ~' ~ ': " ;, ,r! ~:' . , t{ I):~~,.~ , "," , , ...........'\._-.; {( 0 " ,.., " ~.', j ,',', ' "t' '...\1,. " . '" , ',' " , -:"'. ", ... . .,'",,; ..,-'. .'.". .",...~','~ :'~.~",,~.~----"'--.., n __."..~"..,.',.... ,',"... ",','.. ".. #23 page 1 Horow/ (#23) Moved by Throg, seconded by Lehman. Any discussion. This is not a p.h. but you have been very patient so please come. Gentry/ You can always have public discussion on these items. Charlie Lisle/ I am a resident on Rohret Road and I think I should probably divide what I am going to say into three categories: what I really know, what I think I know and what I wish I knew. But the disagreements regarding Rohret I think probably I think you can make sense out them if you look at that road in about several different ways of what it exactly is-an arterial road and that it leads to Iowa city. It is a recreational road. There is always bicycles, joggers, walkers on there and there will be more as it is developed. And it is a residential road and in the past I thought this has kind of moved to the bottom of the stack of priorities but I was just totally stunned with the engineering staff last night because I felt they took what is really their priority which is consider this an arterial road and they made it secondary to a very human consideration which os the residents of that road. I was just awestruck. Finally Rohret is a primary school road. There is going to be buses going to school. There is going to be cars going to school. There is going to be kids walking there and the busses and the cars going by them. Even though the normal approach for council and staff is to approve an arterial road and keep as much r.o.w. as possible I think this approach has come to be tempered by two things. One the concern over damage to properties and proper owners by moving the road and sidewalks-moving the sidewalks so close to their properties. And even more so important is this approach to concerning this arterial road has been tempered by the fact and the placement of that primary school. Now before the school way there I would have had very little disagreement with anyone on saying this is a primary route and it should be expanded width wise and everything. But it is- the baby has arrived. There is no longer planned parenthood. That school is there. It is a fact and I what I am worried about and what I have been concerned about is the fact that if you use all of the r.o.w. there would be a period of time somewhere in the future that some council would say for some reason that this should be a four lane road and I have a lot of apprehension on the thought of a four lane road past a primary school. So when they moved last night, when your engineering staff suggested 33 feet on the south side of the road as r.o.w. I felt that was a good step to locking off the possibility of that ever being a four lane road. And I have got one suggestion regarding the north side which they are presently considering at 40 feet. If you have a 40 foot-on the north side a 40 foot r.o.w., 8 foot sidewalk, this gives F041294 -- - -. . ;Q..l r . I[} )', " ~\;:1,",i:',:, "j , .... ...:'f"," -' ~ ~. '" " " '" " " "",,, , >" ._..._,.,.._.-.___--:,,_--.:..:.-.:..~A' -'.""'.j!:..;..:<J;.~~' ".. #23 page 2 . . you 14 feet of parking. okay. On the south side where you have got 33 foot r.o.w. and a 4 foot wide sidewalk, you have got 11 feet of parking and engineering has been telling us that you need 9-10 feet if you are going to plant trees on the parking to do this. Well, if you cut the north side to 35 foot r.o.w. you will still have 9 feet of parking and you have made one more lock against the possibility of that road becoming a four lane road and you have done some very neat things too, besides that. I have been talking to people that live on the north side and I know at least one property owner that spares all of his shrubbery and trees and whatever which he figures is devaluates at about $5,000 worth of investment for him. Just that moving a 5 feet difference. You still have got the wide parking between the sidewalk and the road, you still go the safety factor for the kids there and yet you have spared at least four different property owners along the road there that are very close to the edge some serious devaluation of the value of their property. I just-I think that is a good compromise and I would recommend it. Horow/ Thank you very much, sir. Okay, there is a motion on the table. Any other- Does the Engineer Dept. wish to comment on this. .' , \": 'j' " j',' / No. \ ',' Horow/ Roll call- Resolution carries. .1 l~J . "i '"Yo \, l) :'i'\ !T~ I ' , ~ I " , I I I I i " ' II; . I[ I ~~ ,1 " ;,' ',> F041294 "i, :', '. .... ":';11).....', -:":""",',," ..,,',"',,',' ,,,:" :"..:..:,..'.0.,.... ,. ,:;.. ,', , ,,' ,..,:,~"":,\,\~;"(,~::,,,,,,:,,~,~~:,:;:,,~,..:l,~i:':':,:, ,:~\::':"> . ,\' :,( i,.."."'."'S'S'."..',.'...I"'B;~., , ' '" , ,,,", ". ",~, I , .,' ' .. l" , ,( 0 .;ce.. : I '",,; --,--_..~._- -- ~ ;),,(>~,~:.: :::, '~' ~ gl'l\k.', , ..~,'~;)f..~:~:, , ~~'..' 't.', .' ' , . ' " ,",-' ..._,..;....__,_..~,.:...,'~:................~""..;"m,~'u'i::";:{c;,..}i;:..:;i'::!;UJ""'I::',;,:: " Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting April 12, 1994 Page 16 Comment: The Parks and Recreation Commission and staff review fees and charges annually, and increases are considered in order to help support the Recreation Division's budget. The Commission's objective is to generate approximately 45% ofthe Division's budget from non-property tax revenues. The proposed fee increases for FY95 will help to achieve budget support in the amount of 44.7%. Per Council request, a three-year plan has been established, with FY95 fee increases being recommended for adoption at this time, and FY96 and 97 fee increases tentatively identified. The Parks and Recreation Commission has reviewed and adopted the proposed fee increas- es. ITEM NO. 25. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING A REVISED SCHEDULE OF FEES qlf- - IO'f AND CHARGES FOR PARKS AND RECREATION SERVICES AND PROGRAMS. ITEM NO. 26 - CONSIDER A RESOLUTION 0 EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT WITH DAVEN. 11~ 105 PORT SOD FOR PROVIDING AND INSTALLING SOD ON THE YOUTH BASE- BALL FIELDS IN CITY PARK. ~~ Q)' . Action: 1~/7z~v , r Comment: As a result of the 1993 flood, virtually all the turf in City Park was lost, including the outfield turf on seven of the youth baseball fields. In order to rejuvenate these fields and have them playable in time for the 1994 season, it is necessary to re-sod them immediately. To ensure the safety of the participants, and to provide a better playing surface in a cost efficient and timely manner, it has been determined to utilize a new method of sod installa- tion provided in this area only by Davenport Sod (Seven Cities Sod). This method requires specialized equipment whereby rolls of sod 41 inches wide and 110 feet long are installed; it is 15% to 45 % less expensive than the traditional method. . ' , ,'\ ,. . I,', , ~t Action: i'.d/HtMJ/ &btJ i/fw /jkau/% '. I ::\ " , ~ , " " <f'1'" , '\\L. 0 V"" , \ .'."c:...'..._,.,.."c' ',.'..,'.'.....'.1. '.'O""'!.\'... ,} . ," . ," ,A 5 ,'" ,,' , ""...."..,1","""/",,.-'. ""i\ ':.~~ ..-- '. . ")~" i:',;<;iA'~ilj:;l' '>', ... ','" ,',"'" ;~-,,~,".r;;:.',", , ' ,~ "-'_'~.';';':'':'-''''''"''''J,'''''"l!f-"u::.-..;,.'';'';';':',..=.,""""....."_~....,,,,:',~':''_......._._~:~----'...:.._:.:.....:._--'u___. .\' , ',., ..,', Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting April 12, 1994 Page 17 r, ; " ITEM NO. 27. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION DIRECTING SALE OF $7,370,000 CORPORATE 9lf--/oh PURPOSE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS OF IOWA CITY, IOWA. " Comment: This resolution ratifies and confirms the actions of the Finance Director in the most favorable bid which was received on April 12, 1994 at 12:00 noon. These bonds are being issued to finance the projects as follows: Rohret Road ($2,100,0001; Wastewater distribution projects - Westside Trunk, Pine, Kineton, Sunset ($795,000); Wastewater. EPA compliance, design only ($1,555,000); New Water Treatment Facility - design only ($1,500,0001; Whispering Meadows Wetlands Park Development ($190,000); Curb Ramp Improvements (ADA) ($50,000); Regional Stormwater Detention - S. Sycamore Area ($705,0001; Robert A. Lee Recre- ation Center roof and floor replacement ($425,0001; and Bond Insurance Costs ($50,0001. The bids will be opened April 12 at noon and the amounts will be entered on the resolution before the Council meeting Tuesday evening. I '-j " ! Action: % ITEM NO. 28 - CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AMENDING THE BUDGETED POSITIONS IN THE 'l'f-/l>7 FINANCE DEPARTMENT. , i i l'" .1 ,. ,--,J,;,,\, \ \ ~ " Comment: This resolution will delete one full-time Administrative Secretary Position and add two part-time (one ,50 and one .631 Administrative Secre- tary positions. Action: .;id1f, I #.fi/J4tdAJ ~~&V ITEM NO. 29 - ADJOURNMENT. 1(~/ llu~ /;:cJ( A1JL 1~% . " ;..;~ ~, ' at( ~' i l' , , , ' I'; . I : II ~ ,/$"[: : ",:,) }, '.'; ,,;" '" .,; ,.',: '",' , ' I ',.., . c.o .".':::'0,'.)'" . .'.,' ..,'.,",., ",...',;,,, , "',"~'",,,,,:,,~~l;'~'-;:"'Jv,,,,'~",":',;,~;;,' .'r:f:~':"" " ., ,','oj, ''. '''''''''' 'i,.i""', -:..,' .."....C...5'~.'.. :1.0' ""'i ", .:1 r, ~, 'r', . ":':":'f~',r::"",/,,-,,,>, '. / '.. .. " ,,'" ";':';"', - ,.",;', ."'.'(', ,,;,- ~.':.." " l , ! ,,..-: \"; , , ,-",,\ \\\ ~\ .~ ('7~ : r ' ~, i i I I ~~, , !'i.. : ; i I : I , '~.'.."J. .,;( !;.',..:".'" ~l " H .> \.._'''' r~~ '\ "', ,",' " I' '" , "t' . .';' \'" , "1 '~, <, .' ':1,: , ," ',' .~.... ',','.-1,': , ,,; . ~' . :;, ,,:, _ :e: ':', '., ~ ;;, ;, ;',:,-,< ~ ,,,..', ,_ ." _.'.:': ,~ .~':~,,' M"; ,',,,. ..", "",. ~~, .".... "'. . ...-",~",^,._>l."" _,:~_~.-_ M'" .~_'_~~, #27 page 1 Horow/ (#27) It is now the 13th, ladies and gentlemen. Mr. Yucuis. Yucuis/ We brought you the report of the bids and I wanted to have Dave Dirks from Eveson Dodge hopefully have a quick speal today and not yesterday on what happened. Dirks/ I will atempt to succinctly give you the hghlights of the bond issue as it unfolded through teh bidding process. First of all we received six bids from six sindicates representing a total of 25 firms within those sindicates. I guess I should preferce this that the citiy's bond rating was held at AAA which is, this late in teh day, good news. Or this early in the morning it is still good news. That translates, I think, roughly into over $100,000 in savings vs. a lower bond rating so that is in and not in any small part due to the diligence of your staff in very zealously guarding that. The low bid was that of Kempers Securities of Chicago. It was a rate of 4.826%. It had a net interest cost of $1,940,889. The important part of that is obviously the fluctuation in the market. For the last four to six weeks we have been monitoring that. Had a good deal of conversation with Don over the course of the last two weeks regarding whether we even wanted to go ahead with the sale. Let me tell you ,ve are delighted with teh results of the bids. We checked. There is a daily published index that allows us to monitor after your bids are opened and see how you fa ired on teh scale and it is rated from AAA down to below A rated. You sold approximately 25 basis points stronger than a AAA today. The good name of Iowa City carried you through the recent turbalance in the market. Kubby/ Wasn't our last bid-wasn't intrest rates 5.8. Dirks/ It was a little longer issue. It was a refinancing. It had some other components. It sold at a better time in the market. You're right. This is a ten year issue. So you will know, an upset number, where we would have been to you recommending to not award the bid, was right around 5.20. So you were well under that. So we would enthusiastically recommend the award to Kemper Securities. Kubby/ Great. pigott/ congrats to the staff. Horow/ Okay, there is a resolution. Moved by Pigott, seconded by Kubby. Roll call- The resolution carries. Discussion. Thank you, gentlemen. F041294 -~ '~, . '-', . "",,\;:;";;';; \. ",,~) ..'", '\' - .,/':,.Q". ',",' " ,',' I, " !^'.'.... :t'5 I I ! ro, / '.. \:" . " !;' . " . . .,\,j~; .: ."'., ,.' ":",'''' . . " . , ... .. ': . ',,' .." .., ..,.... .. ~ .. .....~._-_.~...._-,-~.._-:... #28 page 1 Horowj (#28) Moved by KUbby, seconded by Lehman. Any discussion. Kubbyj And these will be permanent part time positions that will get pro rated benefits because of that classification. Yucuisj Correct. ,', \ Kubby j I really like that we are flexible in this and that the reason we are doing this-will you explain briefly the reason we are doing this. Yucuisj For the public, one of our employees wished to be at home with her two kids and to accommodate that and also to be able to use her experience with the city and our department we wanted to see if we could accommodate that and allow her to work part time and be home with the kids and to do that I believe we can work this out and get two positions to fill-two people to fill the one position. I I Horowj Great. Fantastic. There is a resolution on the table. further discussion. Roll call- The resolution passes. Yucuisj Let the record show that was Mr. Atkin's idea, too. Any '" '0 '''~ Ji r-'1 \ . \ ~'" ~ ,..", ,,~ ( I" ' " : ~ ' ~, I i( II , "! ~ 8.1 F041294 C.'"' 0.'- :'1 .' - ~' , "."," '.'," ~ ',".:, ..- .- )'" \.' , . I'" (), '\ ,'I ,'. , t' ," !,' . , (" ". , 11 , , , '\ \ . "Ii~ 25 ":.., :...;1'., " '0'" . '.. .. ' ..' , -:-". '.;, y'" .' "'; \' ...,. ,:, .~'''' " :' ,:1 ,; , ..::.;::::,\', '-' , , j", '.: ;.'::. ;:; :~.~.:.., . '. .' " , ,.."t'II'. . .. '::",,'.---, ~" ,'-... ..:......_\"' ,,:\ -, , ' ,. -"i mJ:l:a '. .. -., '>.~.'~:~,. ;' ' .. ',' .. I. .. . .... : ""-, -_: . .. .. - '" ---'..._,..._.....~_. City of Iowa City MEMORANDUM ! . f DATE: April 8, 1994 TO: City Council FROM: City Manager RE: Work Session Agendas and Meeting Schedule April 11, 1994 Monday 6:30 P.M. - City Council Work Session - Council Chambers TIMES APPROXIMATE "--. ~ 6:30 P.M. 7:30P.M. 7:45 P.M. B:15 P.M. B:30 P.M. 9:15 P.M. 9:30 p.rt 9:40 P.M. 9:55 P.M. Review zoning matters - Cablecasting Work Sessions - 1994 CDBG Allocations . 1994 HOME Program Statement - Capital Projects . Domestic Partners' Insurance Benefits - Discuss Task Force Appointments - Council agenda, Council time, Council committee reports - Consider appointments to the Mayor's Youth Employment Board April 12, 1994 7:30 P.M. - Regular Council Meeting - Council Chambers April 25, 1994 6:30 P.M. - City Council Work Session - Council Chambers Agenda pending Tuesday Monday April 26, 1994 7:30 P.M. - Regular Council Meeting - Council Chambers Tuesday PENDING LIST Appointments to the Charter Review Commission - May 10, 1994 Appointments to the Committee on Community Needs and Design Review Committee - May 24, 1994 ,lC 0 ... -~ - . .' I~.,~" '; ". ')...,:;.;;:'''':'~'''''.''''.'.,._-- 1'.' """",,,,,, (),,"', "n:., ., 'is' "-':"""'::l.i<\Z~.,t/..:_;:"'::':~ .,',.Y\' '. ,', '.,.;~ 'I ...' " , "1.", , 1'."'...':"....' 0', . . '. ,'." ,.." .~.. .~.. ,. ," j , " ' . ~:'~:'~";":::",r',:'::,;,' ~',.:'~-."'(""" ,'! , , " " , ,.-~ \~'i ""," r-' \ , \ "'~ V;r-l I,' ~ : I .1 : ~~ I I!,l...j \~ e.."'...... :' 0 I',. ,.. _.. , " '. ~.'.'~ ::"'~-H~.~tf.'1.: .' -.il' " , I , .~. "','f ", ,.' .. . "',' " .' . ," , .__..~..;.._.:._.._...____~_d_..._.._.....,,~.v.. .",..'.t...~......c,(~.'):.J\.~'.:."f.(<';"',-t...:.~,_",,,.,..., ',.'.';::,', . #25 page 1 Horow/ (#25) Moved by Throg, seconded by Nov. Any discussion. Kubby/ I will be abstaining because one of the fees is for the pottery wheel which I use and pay for. Baker/ How much are we raising. Kubby/ I don't remember. Baker/ It is not enough. KUbby/ I do have a question about this that has nothing to do with the fees in particular. Can I ask. Horow/ Sure. Kubby/ As the school district's contribution to Mercer Park decreases over time. How will the Rec Center maintain its 45% fee policy. Terry Trueblood/ Their percentage can only go down one more percent. It can't go below 25%. It is at 26% now. Kubby/ So that difference will be made up in fees over time. Trueblood/ That is correct. But what I wanted to get at is that we don't have to worry about it going down to zero. Kubby/ For some reason I thought it continued decreasing but 25 is the lowest. Trueblood/ 25 is the lowest it can go. Kubby/ Thanks. Horow/ Than you very much. Any further discussion Roll call- The resolution passes, Kubby abstaining. F041294 , "., ...2,.,...1,), ."c"" (), "" . ....j'.. ,::,~\,:";;:"~::;_'~~,i-,. >:':::"i:':\' j'::~~~':.' -..&h... ','" '" . , , \,...... "15' ' , .,{ ~.. ."\ ..' I I. " (D , ' , . I': :,1' "', '1"0'."";:"" ;~:' , .,': , ;, '~".! '" "~'"l. .' . ....... ~ '.. ~~';::'::"~' '..', ,"' -.",'. ..,' : ,'. '" ,', ., "'. " . , " '." ......:.....;.;,:..:....:.;;.~.;,.;..;~....::......~_.~~.......'.~...'r...'-~'..'..,."V.<;.i".<.:.':~"LJ;,:./.;,;.:,.::::,';):;,-'J~";'",':':;)-:'.::Ji'..,";;: ,',';', . ", ~ ! ! #26 page 1 , , , j' ':, : Horow/ (#26) Moved by Lehman, seconded by Baker. Any discussion. Pigott/ How do you know what it will be 15 or 45. " . ,. Baker/ This seems like a big range here. Pigott/ will that be determined once it gets here. Is that a- Trueblood/ That has been determined by some price estimates we got through the traditional laying methods which ranged anywhere from 15-45% more costly than what this method would be. That is why the range is in there. The best estimate that we would have gotten otherwise and that was only an estimate. It would have been 15% higher than this. . , Trueblood/ It is conceivable although unlikely with the weather that it could begin tomorrow. Pigott/ Okay. Baker/ Do you know when this is going to-when they are going to do this, Terry. Baker/ Tomorrow. Because from what I understand this is really impressive sight that the press-there ought to be some visual record made of this. Trueblood/ Let's hope it is impressive. ',) I( J -' c \ .~ r::.:~ ( , , . ! I t Baker/ Terry, talk for about 45 more seconds because I have a bet that this is going to be a two day meeting and I think we can just make it if- Kubby/ I have a comment I would like to make and I am going to be voting for this and I do understand the need for sod vs. seed but I do have a concern because sod traditionally is a very chemically intensive way of producing turf and that we are encouraging young people to play on the turf and I just have a concern about it. There is no way to reconcile it in an inexpensive way or a timely way. So I will vote for it. Horow/ Roll call- Resolution carries. ..-r, i f' , , I i I ~ ~ F041294 (' .,:' ..... " "~, -- 1f '". . ,'. . . ., ; ,,'],;;\,q,:.',"\\:,io;':" : ''\ ,'" ,.::",:,~~,,,.,.l'~ ,,-,,'~,/,,::"" ' . '''''---''l''r.'..... ", "I' ".':'!, , '5 0 .. ,2.... .' i: " . .,,', . " ". '~"'". -' ."~ "p, l 0(" I '"....