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November 13, 2006
City Council Work Session
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Council:
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Staff:
Bailey, Champion, Correia, Elliott, O'Donnell, Vanderhoef(6:40), Wilburn
Baeth
Atkins, Dilkes, Franklin, Helling, Karr, Morris
TAPE: 06:84 Sides I and 2
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a) AMENDING CERTAIN SPECIFIC PROVISIONS WITHIN TITLE 14, ZONING
CODE, CHAPTER 2, BASE ZONES; CHAPTER 3 OVERLAY ZONES;
CHAPTER 4, USE REGULATIONS; CHAPTER 5, SITE DEVELOPMENT
STANDARDS; CHAPTER 7, ADMINISTRATION; CHAPTER 8, REVIEW AND
APPROVAL PROCEDURES; CHAPTER 9, DEFINITIONS.
Ok. The first item is a public hearing on various amendments to the zoning ordinance. Now.
I can either go through each one of them - all 33.
No.
Or, I can answer your questions.
Better.
What's your pleasure?
So, tell us why so many amendments?
Yeah, I couldn't figure out a reason.
Well, part of it is once you get using the code you run into situations where you see that there is
a lack of clarity. Rather than just doing an interpretation which, often what we did with the old
zoning code, we have what's called a zoning code interpretation panel. And when there was a
question about interpretation, the panel would meet, we would write up what the interpretation
was and it would be filed. We would not change the code. What we're doing now, we're
changing the code when these issues come up. The other thing is is that inevitably with a
document as big as this, there's gonna be some inconsistencies as you go through it. And we're
finding those as we use it. So those are the major things. A couple of things came up,
particularly the assessed value, replacement value as consequence of experience with the
tornado, because we used that provision more than we would have in the normal course of
events. So, that's kind of why. And I'm hoping there won't be a lot more, so it'll be perfect.
Well I look forward to that. I have a question about amendment one. I mean, going back to what
you were saying about an interpretation panel. These changes make it discretionary for the
building official. Would that always be the same person reviewing that particular issue? It's
about screening.
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That, yes, and that's the way it is now.
Right, ok.
It's been that way since I have been aware that the building official is the one that can make that
determination as to whether the screening is not needed. What this is doing is specifying that it
is due to
Yeah, grade and -
Adjacent prop, the grade and human-made features.
But it's already accomplished by other, other things.
Exactly.
And I guess consistency was my, my fundamental concern there, but ifit's regularly the same
person, I think there would be more of an opportunity for consistency in application.
It is.
Karin, the Central Planning District. Where? What?
The Central Planning District is in fact the one that we're doing right now, and it's the one that
surrounds the downtown and consists of our older neighborhoods.
Not downtown but surrounds it.
Yes. It's like a C around the downtown. Well. This is east. Ok? A half a donut.
Oh. A C around downtown. I see what you mean.
Like plan D.
That it? Ok. Sorry, Kumi, I'm not going to take as long as I thought.
Well, I guess I have, is there anything you could point out that you would say, so most of things
are from interpretations, clarifications?
Mmm hmm. Responses to a circumstance that came up the day, well, let's see. Amendment #4,
which is about parking lot design came up when we were trying to work out the Menards
project on the west side. And that how we were dealing with drives was much too constraining.
So it opened up?
Opened up, gave us more flexibility.
More flexibility - ok.
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Amendment #6 is a consequence of the attorney for Melrose Ridge arguing that we didn't need
to rezone that property because it was assisted group living that was being put in place there.
Well, the important point about all of that was that this was publicly owned land and it was a
public function and, or not, and, not specifically about assisted group living. So those, that list
of uses was misleading. Amendment #9, the daycare and the stacking spaces - we had a
proposal come in, it was for a daycare, in fact at the Christian Science Church. In which the
argument was made by the applicant that the stacking spaces could go out into College Street
because it didn't specifY that it was not into the public right of way. And so, you know, that's
what usually happens, is something comes up where somebody makes an argument, you look at
the exact words and well, ok, it doesn't say that, but. So this is to get clarity.
Are there any amendments in here that you would say are not, are not amendments that are not
clearing, to get clarity or interpretation or?
The assessment versus replacement value on the amendment #22. That's really not for clarity.
It's for ease of dealing with the situation. Because to get the replacement value at the time of
destruction - we found it was just almost impossible.
Well, and didn't we originally have assessed value and we spent some time talking about that?
Mmmm hmmm.
Ok.
But it was when it actually came into practice and used that we found that
It was unrealistic. And it made it harder for the property owner.
Made it - yeah, made it harder for everybody, yeah.
I think, Karin, that, um-
Yes?
I think on that same item,
Mmm hmm?
Two years was something that popped out on me, that it must be completed within two years.
And I'm thinking what if the tornado in April had cut a much wider swathe and I would assume
there might be some situations where is there a way to say this is a circumstance beyond our
control and we can waive the two year? How?
Mmmm.
Because I would assume that there might be some situations now where perhaps a year later
everything might not be done.
No, it might, it won't be done.
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Elliott: And that would double that. Is there any kind of an out?
Bailey: Couldn't a Council make that exception should we, you know, have that unfortunate
circumstance?
Elliott: Well that's what I'm wondering about it.
Franklin: You, you would have to, we would have to make a code amendment at that time.
Bailey: But that would certainly be something staff would be dramatically aware of, that this.
Franklin: Yeah. Well I'm trying to think now. For instance the Alpha Chi Omega house. It - because it
says any such restoration, of course, that's not gonna be a restoration.
Dilkes: I think it's gonna be difficult to add language to it now that's not gonna be very difficult to
apply and interpret. Like impossibility or -
Elliott: But we could address it?
Dilkes: I think you could address it at the time.
Elliott: Ok. That's fine.
Bailey: We have to. I, we don't have to,
Franklin: Yeah. And I think probably you, because it's about restoration you're gonna find that most
people, and you want that to happen, that's it going to be taken care of within that two year
period and if somebody is not addressing the issue, what we're going to have is some sort of
dilapidated building that we want to have taken care of within two years.
Elliott: Oh -
Champion: I think there will be people.
Vanderhoef: Falls into the nuisance ordinance almost.
Franklin: It could, potentially.
Vanderhoef: Neglect.
Champion: A lot of people not settling with their insurance company.
Bailey: Right.
Elliott: Well, as Karin pointed out with the A Chi 0 house, though, that might, it could well evict them.
Franklin: But that, that won't apply here because that's not a restoration, that's a total reconstruction. I
mean they're going to start all over.
Elliott: That's a legal- restoration is a legal term?
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Franklin:
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Yeah. Restoration would be taking the existing structure,
Because I think you're restoring the house.
No. No.
No, in, for regular people, if you restore-
Are you a regular person?
I'm restoring the house. I'm a regular person.
That's not how house restoration looks.
No, I'm saying, that's a, if that's a legal term, that's fine. But I would say the A Chi Os are
going to restore their house.
Rebuild? I would say rebuild.
Rebuild.
Oh, I would always say rebuild. Restore has something to work on.
I guess I'm not a regular person.
See, you're a special person, Bob.
Oh, thank you.
b) CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE REZONING 37.92 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED
ON NORTHGATE DRIVE FROM COMMERCIAL OFFICE (CO-1) AND
INTERIM DEVELOPMENT - OFFICE RESEARCH PARK (ID-ORP) ZONE TO
RESEARCH DEVELOPMENT PARK (RDP) ZONE (REZ06-00023) (SECOND
CONSIDERATION)
Anything else on those? Ok. Then item b is second consideration on the rezoning at Northgate
Corporate Park, and you've been requested by the applicant to defer this indefinitely. I think
what this means is just that it's going to take NGI a little bit more time to put together their deal
with Southgate, but as far as I know it's still going forward. Remember the TIF is a tax rebate,
and so if nothing happens -
I'm concerned.
Yeah.
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c) CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE REZONING 9.83 ACRES OF PROPERTY
LOCATED BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH OF STEVENS DRIVE BETWEEN S.
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Franklin:
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GILBERT STREET AND WATERFRONT DRIVE FROM INTENSIVE
COMMERCIAL (CI-1) ZONE TO COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL (CC-2) ZONE
(REZ06-o0024) (SECOND CONSIDERATION)
Item c, second consideration on the rezoning from CI-I to CC-2 and expedited consideration
has been requested on this one. This is down off Gilbert Street and Waterfront Drive.
d) CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE FINAL PLAT OF
KENNEDY'S WATERFRONT ADDITION PART 4, IOWA CITY, IOWA.
(SUB06-00009)
Item d is a resolution approving the final plat of Kennedy' s waterfront addition part 4. This is
one that you have seen. It's four lots off of Southgate Avenue. I understand from Mitch Behr
that the signed legal papers are not back. He expects them tomorrow. If there's a glitch I'll let
you know tomorrow. Otherwise just figure that you're going to go forward with this, please.
And that's it for me.
Wow.
Thank you.
Leadershio Enerl!v Environmental Desil!n
Wilburn:
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Leadership Energy Environmental Design. You ready, Kumi? Ok.
We're not doing Council appointments right now?
Council appointments?
Oh, did I miss that? I'm sorry.
We can do this first.
Why don't we do this first so she can get out of here, 'cause there's quite a bit of, quite a bit,
quite a few appointments'. Can't talk to tonight.
Where'd they go? Oh,jeez
Did you want to go, do you want Kumi up now?
Sorry about that.
We don't have anyone that's an expert in PowerPoint out there do we, before I begin? No? Ok.
Well, for those of you who don't know me, I'm Kumi Morris and I'm with the Engineering
Division. Tonight I'm - this presentation provides a general overview of the US Green Building
Council, or USGBC, and the environmental impact of buildings, green buildings and its
benefits, and the LEED ratings system, which is an acronym for LEED, which is an acronym
for Leadership Energy Environmental Design. The USGBC's mission is to promote the design
and construction of buildings that are environmentally responsible, profitable and healthy places
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to live and work. The USGBC's organizational activities include integrating building industry
sectors, lead market transformation, and educate owners and practitioners. The Council is a
national nonprofit organization that was formed in 1993. Its quickly growing membership
includes representation from organizations across the building industry. Architecture firms,
engineering firms, builders, manufacturers, service contractors, government entities, federal,
state and local entities and real estate developers, owners, financial institutions, universities,
including the University ofIowa, retail companies, nonprofit associations, utilities and others
are members of the USGBC. Further, the USGBC serves its members and the community
through the development of industry standards, design practices, tools and policy advocacy,
information exchange and education.
So what is green design? Design and construction practices that significantly reduce or
eliminate the negative impact of buildings on the environment and occupants in five broad
areas. These five include the sustainable site planning, safe guarding water and water efficiency,
energy efficiency, renewable energy, conservation of materials and resources, and indoor
environmental quality.
Buildings fundamentally impact peoples' lives and the health of the planet. In the US, buildings
use one third of our total energy, two thirds of our electricity, one eighth of our water, and
transform land that provides valuable ecological services. Atmospheric emissions from the use
of energy lead to acid rain, ground level ozone, smog, and global climate change. And as you
can see from the slide, the environmental impact of buildings that, over 36% of the total US
primary use, energy use, is from buildings. Further, we can see, also from the slide, that 12% of
the potable water consumed is through building use, and 40% of raw material use, globally, is
through the construction of facilities. The benefits of green building can be summarized as
follows: the local and global environment benefits from protecting air quality, water quality,
and overall biodiversity and ecosystem health. Economic benefits are experienced in building
operations, asset value, worker productivity and local economy. Occupants benefit from health
and safety features. This also relates to risk management and economics. The US EP A found
that the average American spends more than 90% of their time indoors, and indoor air quality
can be 2 to 5 times worse than the outdoor air quality. I'll be referring to indoor air quality at
times in this slide as IAQ, and you'll see that as a common usage through LEED or green
building descriptions.
Further economic benefits. Green buildings can potentially reduce project costs. Green
buildings projects that are well-integrated and comprehensive in scope can result in lower or
neutral project cost development. Further, rehabilitating an existing building can lower
infrastructure and material costs. Integrated design can use the payback from some of the
strategies to pay for others, for example, using high-efficiency heating and cooling systems can
have long payback in other ways. Energy efficient buildings envelopes can reduce equipment
needs. Downsizing some equipment such as chillers, or eliminating such equipment as
perimeter heating. Using pervious paving and other runoff prevention strategies can reduce the
size and cost of storm water management structures. Energy and water efficient buildings have
been able to reduce their operating costs significantly. Use can be cut to less than half than that
of a traditional building or even better by employing aggressive and well-integrated green
design concepts.
Productivity benefits. Studies have found higher occupant productivity in green buildings.
Healthy indoor environments can increase employee productivity according to an increasing
number of case studies. Since workers are far, by far the greatest, largest expense, excuse me,
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for most companies, for offices, salaries are 72%, 72 times higher than energy costs, they
account for 92% of the life cycle costs of a building. And this has a tremendous effect on
overall costs. Studies have shown that student performance as well as energy performance is
better in schools built according to green design principles. Employees in buildings with healthy
interiors have less absenteeism and tend to stay in their jobs.
So what is LEED? And many of you have probably heard the acronym being thrown around.
It's a certification system and accreditation system that was set up by the USGBC. LEED stands
for Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design. So there's two points that you're going to
hear back and forth. One is that buildings are certified and the people that go through the
certification process or bring that to a certification process are called, they're accredited. So
architects, engineers or the city, municipalities, the government can be accredited, but facilities
are certified. The Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design green buildings rating
system is a nationally accepted benchmark for design construction and operation of high
performance green buildings. LEED gives building owners and operators the tools they need to
have an immediate and measurable impact on their building's performance. LEED promotes a
whole-building approach to sustainability by recognizing performance in 5 key areas of human
environmental health, and I listed those earlier: sustainable site development, water savings,
energy efficiency, materials selection, and indoor environmental quality.
So why was LEED created? To facilitate positive results for the environment, occupant health
and financial return. Further, to define green by providing a standard for measurement and also,
to prevent green washing or false or exaggerated claims. And to promote a whole building
integrated design process. Why was LEED created? Much of LED has been the fallout of things
that came through from the 70s that we see and taking some of those efficiencies that we've
seen in building design. LEED is used as a design guideline. It also recognizes leaders in the
field that decide to design to a green type of standard. Further, it stimulates green competition
within the building industry itself, the technologies that are produced. Further, it establishes a
market value with a recognizable brand name; as you will see, LEED is a trademark by the
USGBC, and so in order to be able to use LEED, rug companies, tile companies, whatever, they
would have to follow a certain type of rigorous standard. Whether it's recycled products or a
recycled material within the product or a count within the product, it goes through a rigorous
standard before it can even have a LEED certification. Further, LEED was created also to raise
consumer awareness and to transform the marketplace.
So, in the LEED products for architect and builders and owners, what we see is that there is
different types of buildings and constructions and LEED covers a number of different product
areas. One is, well, probably most common for the City are two areas. One is the LEED NC for
new construction and major renovations and additions and the second one that we'll probably
see also is LEED EB, which is for existing buildings. It has the release dates of when these
packets were available. We would like to use the first LEED NC for new constructions and
major renovations for the Fire Station Two. We discussed that in the past. Since the release of
LEED 2.0 in March 2000, over two thousand project teams have registered their buildings, thus
expressing their intent to apply for official LEED NC certification by the US Green Building
Council. Now, there's two, there's different steps within the process. In order to be LEED
certified or have a building be LEED certified, the first step is to register. So, anyone can
register their facility, but not all buildings that are registered will necessarily be certified. They
have to meet a certain standard of green design. Here's the breakdown in registered projects at
this time. We can see that the majority, or the largest are multi-use facilities. Other listed in here
are commercial office use, higher education, 7%. Libraries are 3% of the building types that are
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registered for LEED certification. The types of owners that register LEED projects, the majority
being the profit organizations. We tend to see a lot of automobile industry taking a lead in
LEED. And also, local government coming in close with 22%. And federal government use,
different groups within the federal government have taken on a role within having their projects
be LEED certified. All GSA buildings, or general service administration buildings within the
government have, are required to be LEED certified by 2003. The US Air Force requires
lodgings to have LEED, to apply for LEED certification or to at least meet the standard of
certification even if they do not become, excuse me, meet the standard of registration even if
they do not become certified. The Army has incorporated LEED into their own program called
Spirit. And you can see other federal government agencies that also use LEED.
At present, no state requires LEED for public projects, although several are considering it and
encouraging use ofLEED in both current public and private projects. California is currently
considering LEED adoption in development of California LEED supplements for state projects.
Maryland has adopted LEED certification for all capital projects greater than five thousand
square feet as early as 200 I, so this has been going on for some time in Maryland.
Massachusetts is considering LEED adoption for state projects and now I want to get down to
here. Oregon has an interesting program. It has 35%, Oregon has 35% business energy tax
credit for commercial development is tied to LEED certification. For buildings over a hundred
thousand square feet, LEED silver building eligibility has a $105,000.00 tax credit. Further, if
you're a gold building in Oregon with a hundred thousand square feet or more, you're eligible
for a $142,000, excuse me, $142,500 tax credit. In terms of registered projects by state, these
are the top ten: California, New York, Washington, Pennsylvania, Oregon, Texas, Michigan,
minois, Massachusetts and Arizona. There is also a global interest in LEED. Canada, Green
Building Council has licensed LEED for use in Canada as well. India has a LEED certification
process. And all of the, you can see with the stars, those with a black star have registered
projects and those with the blue have certified projects, meaning they have gone through the
whole process of LEED and actually have projects they have certified within those countries as
well.
LEED is based on energy and environmental principles and strikes a balance between koown
effective practices and emerging concepts. The development of LEED was instigated by the
USGBC membership representing all segments of the building industry and was developed
using a transparent process open to the public. The ratings system provides a framework to help
move the US building industry to a more sustainable practice as it responds to the US
marketplace and budgets of the US design practices. The LEED ratings system is on a 5-year
review cycle. So once you register for LEED there are different certified levels. The lowest of
the four is just being certified, which requires 26 to 32 points, and the highest is called the
platinum level, going from certified silver, gold and platinum to 52 points and above. LEED
defines a threshold for green buildings and introduces a tool to promote and to guide
comprehensive and integrated building design. In terms of, I'm going to show you a couple of
projects that are similar in scale to Fire Station Two that have LEED certification. Last month,
New York City has announced that the new World Trade Center was going to apply, well,
register for LEED certification and also go for the gold standard. Recently in Missouri the new
Lewis and Clark Building, a state facility, had just gotten platinum level. So we see this on all
different levels of both, in the private interest and the public.
So, there are five categories in order to qualify for the points. Energy and Atmosphere being the
largest of the categories; Indoor Environmental Quality, Sustainable Sites, Materials and
Resources and Water Efficiencies. The five environmental categories are further divided into
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credits. For each credit, the ratings system identifies the intent, requirements, technologies or
strategies to achieve the credit. One or more points are available within each credit, and points
are achieved by meeting specific requirements. The next two slides are two facilities that are
about the same scale as Fire Station Two that have been certified, and I'll talk about, I'll just
mention a few of the things that they have done in order to meet that certification. The first here
is the West Coast and Alaska Tsunami Warning Center. It received the LEED,just LEED
certification in December 2003. It was the first LEED certified building in Alaska. It's about
6,690 square feet and monitors the potential tsunamic earthquakes occurring in the coastal areas
of California, Oregon, Washington, Alaska and British Columbia. The project reused an
existing site, relocating the old warning center building and storage facility for use at another
site. By plant, by planting adaptive vegetation which does not require irrigation, more than half
of the site was restored, and within the building, water usage is reduced to more than 30%.
Additional commissioning helps the building to achieve 28% energy efficiency over the
ASHRA Y 90.11999. Now, commissioning is something that occurs after the building is built.
It's where you go back and you look at the standards that you, or the models that you've set for
yourself to see if you've met that criteria, and what you can do to further, to further try and
reach those goals, and so that's a separate team that comes in, that's separate from the design
team, the architects or the building owner, that look at the facility even more closely. The other
project that achieved the LEED silver certification is a fire station in Washington. It's a two-
story, three-bay fire station similar to what we're considering as well, and incorporates many
water efficiency technologies for both building and landscaping to maximize efficiencies.
Within the building the project achieves 55% potable water use reduction for waste conveyance
and 36% water use reduction for flush and flow fixtures. In addition, the landscape design does
not require a permanent irrigation system, further reducing the need for potable water on the
site. During construction a waste management plan was implemented to divert 76% of the
material from the landfill. Further, the fire station #73 supports the regional economy, as 44%
ofthe building materials are locally manufactured, and of those, 55% are locally harvested. For
the interior, the project uses, includes several indoor environmental quality strategies, such as
carbon dioxide monitoring systems and the use oflow emitting materials. Further, construction
indoor air quality, or IAQ management plan was implemented during the construction as well as
before the occupancy to help sustain the comfort and the well-being of the fire fighters. A
biodiesel fuel storage tank supplies the building's emergency generator and also has the
capacity to provide fuel for the fire service vehicles based at the station. To further demonstrate
innovative performance, a rainwater cachement system and underground cistern provides non-
potable water for truck washing, conserving 4,500 gallons of water annually.
So there's a 3-step process for LEED certification. The first step is project registration, as I
discussed. And one of the most important things in registrations is that you have to have
someone on your team that's accredited. You're only required one member to be accredited.
Many of the architects locally are accredited: Rohrbach Associates, Newman Munson, John
Shaw, to name a few. And as I mentioned, there's accreditation and then there's membership,
and there's different organizations and people that are members, within those firms that are
members and then organizations like the, like The University ofIowa, that are also members of
the USGBC.
Vanderhoef:
How many of our Iowa City engineers have been certified?
Morris:
None, at this point.
Vanderhoef:
Ok.
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Morris:
Elliott:
I'm the only one that has gone through the workshop and will, and will go through the process
of registration to be accredited. And so as I said there's a 3-part process, 3-step process. First is
project registration, which LEED has templates for that process. The 2nd is technical support
and, as I said, you saw the packages that were available for the different types of buildings, and
those reference packages, you purchase those and begin that process. And then you have
building certification. LEED is a registered trademark of the USGBC. Only buildings certified
by the USGBC under the LEED buildings ratings systems may refer to themselves as LEED
buildings. So the certification process involves the following: as I said, to register the process.
To initiate a relationship with the USGBC and receive orientation materials. Registration during
pre-design phase is highly recommended, though you can do that once you're, if you've already
started the design phase, you are able to go back and become registered.
The 2nd is, again, is technical support. This comes in the form of reference guide and credit
rulings. In some cases the design team may encounter questions about the application of a
LEED prerequisite or credit to specifics of the project, and the project contact should first
thoroughly consult the reference guide. If questions remain, the contact should use the
following credit interpretation procedure. The project contact reviews the intent and the credit
of the prerequisite in question to self-evaluate whether their project meets this intent. Further,
the project contact reviews the LEED credit rulings page for previous logged credit
interpretation requests or CIR that may assist in answering the particular question. All LEED
project contacts have access to this page. If no similar or relevant credit interpretation has been
logged, then the project contact may submit an online or CIR to the USGBC. Within 2 to 5
weeks, the USGBC credit ruling committee posts its decisions on the credit ruling page. Now I
won't go through all the different processes for all the different credits, but it's a very thorough
process.
In addition to the awards that you get from the Council upon certification, you also receive the
implicit benefits from using LEED and building green. LEED facilitates integrated design from
start to finish. It encourages the design team to use a holistic approach and to measure the
progress. Using LEED ensures that your building will have a low impact on its occupants and
the environment and a positive and economic impact over the life cycle of the building.
To become a member for the City, the population under 500 thousand is $500. For populations
500 to a million are $750, and for populations of more than a million is $1000. There's a
benefit to being a member in that when you go to register your project, there's a cost to
registration, and being a member, there's benefits to that. You get a reduced cost in that
registration process.
These are some of the resources for LEED or for the USGBC. As I said, I attended a training
workshop to learn about certification and the process of having our buildings become LEED
certified. There's reference guides, there's a web, there's an extensive website. And if you have
any other questions you can visit the site. Thank you.
I have a question. It appears that's it the design and construction process will be more costly, so
you have to, to be cost effective, that has to be made up with cost savings later on. Would it be
safe to say that the larger the building, the more cost effective it would be to be LEED certified?
Or is there a breaking point, when say buildings under a certain square footage might not be as
cost effective as buildings over?
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Morris:
O'Donnell:
Morris:
O'Donnell:
Morris:
Correia:
O'Donnell:
Morris:
O'Donnell:
Correia:
Morris:
Elliott:
O'Donnell:
Not necessarily. I think, I think it has more to, because they do have certification processes for
existing buildings. I think what it has more to do with is the dollar amount of your building. For
example, in, the Air Force requires that most of their facilities for their lodging facilities meet
the LEED certification, but they don't necessarily require all of their projects to be registered
and to pay the registration fees for all of those projects. But they do require them to meet that,
those goals. And so, depending on, depending on the project, the dollar amount of the project,
because of the cost of registration, I don't know that that's necessarily based on square footage.
It might be more based on what you're expending in the project and what types of changes
you're making in the project. For example, if you're, if you have changes that are, have high
value returns like carpet, where you might have a high recyclable content material within, like
in carpet or something like that, or, you just weigh that out to see in terms of what types of
things you're changing within a facility to see if you would gain that, whether it would make
sense to have it be registered.
How much more expensive - I noticed when you had the pie that the residential was just a small
little sliver. Is that because of the cost?
I think, well, mostly I think the reason for that is, is that only about 3 to 6% of housing is
designed by architects or engineers. Most of that is designed by builders and I think the
building, the housing, residential building industry is now only becoming interested. When you
look at buildings that are designed by architects or engineers, they might be more likely to apply
for LEED certification process. And I think that's why we see that in the residential, the
residential field.
And approximately how much more expensive is it on a? Is there any percentage you can
throw out?
Well, after the initial cost of registration, of membership, I think it's about $1400 for, to go
through the design process with the USGBC, and it's based on square footages. You know, it
vanes, so.
But is your question related to the cost? I mean, there's a cost of registering with this
organization, but are you talking about the cost of building with the?
The cost of building, building the house itself.
Oh, I see.
Does it take $100,000 house up to $110 or $120? What would it do?
We're not really talking about residential. We're talking about commercial more, industrial.
Right, talking about commercial. Well, I do have something -let me check first.
Yeab. I'm thinking of, say, a 20 million dollar commercial building without looking at LEED,
which doesn't mean that the cost should be the only consideration. But I think that cost is
always going to be a significant consideration.
Especially residentially.
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Morris: Yeah, I saw in my - you know, I'm sorry, I can't pull to that right now, but I can get back to
you on that, in terms of like, what percentage of impact that would have.
O'Donnell: Ok. Thank you.
Elliott: Good.
Vanderhoef: Do they ever go back and
Correia: Well I think, oh.
Vanderhoef: Look at something that was already built, maybe before the standards were even done? I'm
thinking of our environmentally friendly house that we built a few years ago, that has some of
these components in them, and whether it would be enough to have it registered. But I think it
might be kind of interesting.
Morris: Right. To be able to go back and look at that. Well, to even be a part of the process you have to
have a person that's LEED certified, or LEED accredited, excuse me, in that process. But it
would be interesting. I know they do, they have gone back and looked at other, looked at
facilities to see the differences. And as I've said, there's some facilities that are designed to that
standard but not necessarily register. And I think in good city building practice, our aim,
whether we decide to register a facility or not, we should try to meet the standards that we see
here within the guidelines, whether or not we go through the registration process.
Wilbum: You have a table of cities that were certified. Was that a comprehensive list, or just a sample?
Morris: That's a sample.
Vanderhoef: Just something that struck me as you showed the fire station. Knowing what we have with water
problems over on our site where we're rebuilding the fire station, that cistem makes a whole lot
of sense for reclaiming the water. I know we built a cistem here in town and it was something
brand new for the City to do after years and years, but, I understand it functions well and they're
draining off of 2 or 3 homes in the area, all have been piped into that one cistern to use for the
gardens in that project on Washington Street, just south of where I live, and they have cistern
and saving all the rain water, and that's what they pump to all the gardens.
Elliott: Everything old is new again.
Correia: I think, as we look at looking at how much it costs on the initial building, I think it's also
important to have an analysis of how much it saves over time, because you know, you talk
about just for a homeowner getting a high-efficiency water heater costs so much more than a
regular but over, they can tell you, over this many years you'll make that back up, and as we're
thinking about 20 million dollar buildings that are going to be in operation for, you know, 50
years, 75, 100 - you know, what, we need to look at what those benefits are, both on cost
savings. But, because we expect there to be savings in efficiency and cost of energy, but then
also the environmental impact savings, so.
Elliott: That was the point of my question, was the initial cost and then the cost savings later on. Is
there a relationship between size and anything else. So I think that's yet to be looked at.
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Wilburn:
O'Donnell:
Elliott:
Morris:
Atkins:
Wilburn:
O'Donnell:
(laughter)
Any other questions for Kumi?
No. Very good.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Kumi can not be here tomorrow night. Was there any question on the HIS remodeling project?
Agenda? Ok. All set.
I had a request for a break. Can I make it a 5 minute one? 7:30.
Try 8:00.
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Council ADD ointments
Wilburn:
Champion:
Correia:
Bailey:
O'Donnell:
Elliott:
Champion:
Bailey:
Atkins:
Wilburn:
Bailey:
Atkins:
Bailey:
Council appointments. I think the fist one is Animal Care Task Force. Is that right?
We have so many good applications.
I know - that's really hard.
Well, I'd like to - Pat Farrant I think would be very, very good.
Great one.
Pat Farrant, Roxanne Showmers.
I had Theresa Kopel and Pooley.
Pooley would also be good, but Friends of the Animal Center Foundation get to appoint
somebody, don't they?
I didn't hear the question.
Do the friends -
Friends of the Animal Center Foundation have an appointment - they appoint one person to
this, right?
I thought they did.
And I know Lisa's been very active with that group and perhaps that, perhaps
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Wilburn: Another group.
Bailey: She would end up being appointed I guess is what I'm saying.
Vanderhoef: I kind of liked Theresa.
Champion: Me too. I liked her a lot.
Vanderhoef: Ah hah. I think.
Wilburn: That, that would be the Coralville appointment, Theresa Howard?
Correia: Theresa Kopel.
Champion: No, Kopel, Iowa City.
Wilburn: Oh, I'm sorry, you're still, yeah.
Vanderhoef: Pat wouldn't have to go off of the Deer Committee, or would she?
Karr: Those are, these are both task forces. It's totally up to you, but the practice has not been the task
forces. We've done that with boards and commissions.
Elliott: They're not mutually exclusive. She could be on two.
Karr: That is entirely a Council policy. Council policy has been for boards and commissions they can
not serve two, but for task forces.
Wilburn: An informal policy.
Karr: Correct.
Wilburn: I think it's informal in the sense that we have not said you can only. There was a lot of head
nodding for Pat, so maybe we'll start with there. Patricia Farrant - are there four?
Bailey: Mmm hmm.
Elliott: Mmm hmm.
Wilburn: Ok. That's one. We need one more Iowa City.
Elliott: I like Roxanne Schomers.
Champion: I like Theresa Kopel.
Vanderhoef: So do I. Theresa would be my.
Wilburn: That's two for Theresa and one for Roxanne Schomers.
Champion: I like Theresa.
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Vanderhoef: This is a place that I think they could have a University (can't hear)
Bailey: Pardon me? I'm having a hard time hearing you, Dee, I'm sorry.
Vanderhoef: I said I think this is a task force that might be well served by having a University person on the
task force.
Champion: I'm trying to think of why I liked her so much (can't hear)
Wilburn: Theresa's is on
Bailey: Theresa is the first one.
Wilburn: The first one, yeah.
Vanderhoef: Mmm hmm. She's the one that is a University researcher, so she has that, that look at at animal
care.
Bailey: And Roxanne is connected with a faith-based organization and was going to bring that volunteer
sort of connection in, right?
Elliott: She's just done a lot of work with animals and animal care.
Bailey: They all have. I think it's pretty amazing.
Correia: That's what they all have.
Elliott: Mmm hmm.
Correia: Yep. She's part of the Christian Culture Community, nonprofit arm of the Iowa City Nazarene
Church, Roxanne.
Bailey: Mmm hmm. Ok.
Champion: Well, Theresa's also been a very active, involved member ofthe Animal Care and Adoption
Center, and she's fostered cats and kittens and she's been very involved with the Humane
Society and I think she is more than qualified and probably has earned, since she has spent so
much time working with these animals. (Can't hear) I thought she was very impressive.
Elliott: I suspect many of these would meet that criteria, you said, so it's pretty much up to whoever
favors.
Bailey: I just wonder to be effective, you know, how they're on the advisory board and then also their
volunteer activity, because those are two different roles, and sometimes if you're in, you have
those two different roles in an organization it can be a challenge to you.
Champion: I think that's what get them interested (can't hear)
Bailey: We wouldn't want to lose volunteers I guess is my point.
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Elliott: Well why would they need to, why would you lose a volunteer?
Champion: You wouldn't.
Bailey: Well, if you transferred your volunteer activity to being on the advisory board rather than, and if
you only had a limited amount of time to do the work.
Elliott: Oh.
O'Donnell: Who do we have?
Wilburn: We have Theresa and Roxanne. How many would support Theresa Kopel?
O'Donnell: I would.
Bailey: I will.
Vanderhoef: Fine.
Elliott: That's four.
Wilburn: Yep. Ok. So those are the Iowa City, Patricia Farraot aod Theresa Kopel. We have one Johnson
County, Jane McCune.
Bailey: And a good, a very qualified person. That's terrific.
Champion: Yes.
Wilburn: Four folks.
Champion: That was easy.
Wilburn: And one Coralville.
Champion: I like Paula Kelly.
Bailey: I like Lindsay. Right. Once again, they're all quite qualified.
Champion: They're all qualified.
Correia: Mmm hmm.
Bailey: Oh. Paula's the vet assistant.
Correia: Mmm hmm.
Bailey: Ok. Yeah. I would be supportive of that.
Wilburn: That's two for Paula.
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Vanderhoef: Who is that?
Bailey: Paula is the vet assistant.
Champion: Vet assistant.
Elliott: That's fine.
Vanderhoef: Fine.
Bailey: She switched her.
Wilburn: Ok. So Paula Kelly will be the Coralville representative.
Champion: We had so many good applicants.
Bailey: That was exciting, wasn't it?
Wilburn: None for Board of Adjustment. None for Board of Appeals.
Champion: Housing and Community Development Commission.
Wilburn: Housing and Community Development Commission.
Champion: We only had one application.
Wilburn: I'm sorry, I have a-
Bailey: Why don't we do the rest of them and do that last?
Wilburn: Ok. We'll come back to housing. Thank you. Human Rights.
Champion: We just have, didn't we just have one application?
Bailey: Joy Kross.
Wilburn: Joy Kross.
Bailey: And she'll be good. She'll be very good.
Champion: She'll definitely - yeah.
Wilburn: Ok. Have four with that? Ok. Parks and Rec.
O'Donnell: John Watson.
Wilburn: John Watson.
Bailey: Yes.
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Champion: Yep.
Wilburn: Everyone ok with that?
Elliott: Mmm hmm.
Bailey: That's great.
Champion: He's serving on an unexpired term, unexpired term before.
Vanderhoef: But we've still got two more openings. That surprises me.
Bailey: We do.
Champion: Mmm hmm.
Bailey: Me too.
Wilburn: There's usually quite a bit for that.
Bailey: Yeah. It surprises, it surprised me that we didn't have more applicants.
Wilburn: Public Art.
Correia: Do we. Oh.
Wilburn: Go ahead.
Correia: No, go ahead. I can do it at the end.
Wilburn: Public Art. Mark Seabold?
Correia: Mmm hmm.
Bailey: That's great.
Champion: The architect.
Vanderhoef: And Chair.
Bailey: And Chair.
Champion: And Chair. Right.
Wilburn: Senior Center Commission.
Elliott: Nancy Wombacher.
Wilburn: Nancy.
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Champion: Nancy Wombacher.
Vanderhoef: We still have one opening there.
Elliott: Mmm hmm.
Bailey: I wonder if so many people weren't busied by the recent election or distracted by it that they
just didn't meet that deadline. That's my optimistic.
O'Donnell: Well, we went from having nobody apply to a great amount, though. I think this is.
Wilburn: I agree. Yeah. Youth Advisory Commission. We've got one for the 18-21, Michael Nelson.
Elliott: What's with the city limits - anything?
Karr: We can not appoint within, well, unless you're in the city limits.
Elliott: Ok. So there are three applicants who are not in the city limits, right?
Vanderhoef: Mmm hmm.
Bailey: And are you making these recommendations?
Correia: Well, and that's why, I haven't, I was, I would like to appoint Michael this week. He's served
one year, and then, I haven't had a chance to talk with any of the qualified applicants, and I
would like to have a, if that's agreeable with the rest of you, have a chance to talk with them
and come back with a recommendation the next meeting?
Champion: That's fine.
Elliott: I would like that. That would be a more informed appointment.
Bailey: That's fine.
Champion: Because I didn't really read those, and I thought you were going to make a recommendation.
Correia: Right, right.
Bailey: I scanned through them, but I was waiting for your feedback.
Wilburn: So we're going to go with Michael Nelson? Are we?
Karr: We'll do it for the other two.
Wilburn: Ok.
Karr: But we, we're not going to readvertise.
Wilburn: That's what, that was my question.
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Correia: No, just defer.
Wilburn: Ok.
Bailey: Should we defer all of the appointments until? And do them all at once?
Champion: I think that would be a good idea.
Bailey: I think that might be better.
Wilburn: Better. Yeah.
Champion: Yes. That might be better. Cause then people won't think there was a big problem. Yeah.
O'Donnell: It doesn't matter.
Bailey: Yeah like.
Karr: Well the only, you certainly can. The only distinction I think Amy was making was the
reappointment, she won't be interviewing Michael anyway because it is a reappointment.
Correia: The reappointment - he's the only one applying. But that's fine.
Karr: The only one applying for that, and it doesn't really make any difference.
Wilburn: For that age group.
Bailey: That's fine. I don't feel strongly. Ijust thought, I thought if we were gonna address it, just do it
all at one meeting.
Champion: We could reappoint because (can't hear)
Wilburn: That's, yeah.
Elliott: For appearances sake.
Correia: Yeah.
Elliott: Sounds good.
Correia: Sure.
Champion: Yeah. I think that's a good idea.
Vanderhoef: I'm just really pleased that in our first go-round we had almost all females apply, and this time,
we have males, but one thing did strike me, is that all of them are from one high school. Are
other two high schools are not represented in the applications.
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Karr: I'd just like to note that one high school, I sent out a number of reminders, we published, I
contacted both government classes, went through the school district, went through the guidance
counselors, and these all came in the last day after one government class from that school.
Bailey: interesting.
Elliott: We tried.
Vanderhoef: Thank you for trying.
Elliott: Yes.
Vanderhoef: I don't know how else we reach them.
Wilburn: Well, and there's nothing wrong with them trying to reach each other too, so maybe that could
be a topic for a future commission meeting.
Bailey: Right.
Wilburn: Housing and Community Development Commission, I have a conflict of interest with
appointments to this commission, and will not be participating in this discussion.
Bailey: Ok. We have one applicant.
O'Donnell: Sounds good.
Bailey: Andy Douglas.
Champion: I thought he sounded good.
Bailey: Ok. Do we have two other people?
Elliott: Fine.
Vanderhoef: Mmm hmmm.
Bailey: Great.
Al!enda Items
Wilburn:
Agenda items.
ITEM 7.
CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CITY CODE TITLE 17, ENTITLED
"BUILDING AND HOUSING," TO ESTABLISH LICENSING REQUIREMENTS FOR
THE PLANNING, LAYOUT, SUPERVISION AND INSTALLATION OF HEATING,
VENTILATION, AIR CONDITIONING (HVAC), COMMERCIAL KITCHEN HOODS
AND FOR DUCTED AIR HEATING AND COOLING INSTALLERS. (FIRST
CONSIDERATION)
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Correia: Ah, item 7, this is the establishing licensing requirements for the air conditioning and
ventilation. It said in the memo that Coralville is also doing the same thing right now. Are, will
these ordinances be similar?
Atkins: That's the' idea.
Correia: I mean, will they be the same.
Atkins: As far as I understand it, Amy, I think they're identical. That's the plan.
Correia: Ok. That's, right. That's what.
Elliott: Why is this necessary?
Atkins: Licensing requirement?
Elliott: Why is it preferable? I mean, where do we go.
Atkins: Personal opinion? I want someone who knows what they're doing if they're installing these in
the house I'm going to live in, particularly HV AC, where you have the risk of carbon
monoxide. I mean, those are the things that come to mind immediately.
Vanderhoef: It's public safety.
Atkins: And the trades are the very folks that are recommending it. It's a public safety issue, from my
perspective.
O'Donnell: But they've been doing it for 30 years. 40 years.
Champion: And they're probably all-
O'Donnell: Is there not a provision where we maybe should grandfather somebody in who has been doing
this for so many years? I understand the importance of somebody new coming to town and we
don't know the workmanship, but somebody that's been doing it for a number of years,
certainly appears qualified and no complaints, what? I just don't see - I think we should have a
grandfather provision in there.
Vanderhoef: Well I think they have allowed for some of that Mike, just in that up until a certain date.
O'Donnell: They have allowed it until 2010.
Vanderhoef: But after that, everyone has to take the exam.
O'Donnell: And that's what I'm saying, the people who have been in business for 50 years, I mean, that's.
Vanderhoef: They pretty much are allowing for that.
O'Donnell: I think they should be grandfathered in.
Elliott: We don't license automotive mechanics, do we?
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Atkins: No.
Elliott: Isn't that much more dangerous than an air conditioning unit?
Atkins: I - now that's a personal question.
Elliott: They can be AFC certified, but to me, I think this is on, in the area of danger, this is certainly on
the low end of - I don't know how much damage can be done by an improperly installed air
conditioner.
Champion: If it's a gas air conditioner you can have big problems.
Vanderhoef: Mmm hmm.
Elliott: But I would be much more concerned about who works on my automobile than who puts in my
air conditioning.
Atkins: We rely, I mean, the Board of Appeals is made up of the very trades they regulate. And Ijust
hold their opinions pretty high.
Vanderhoef: Well vehicles are not part of our purview.
Correia: We don't make vehicles. Permits.
Vanderhoef: We don't inspect and give occupancy permits to vehicles, but we do give them to buildings,
houses, so forth.
O'Donnell: But by the same token,
Elliott: And the connection?
O'Donnell: We, we allow people to come and put weed killer on our yards and they put chemical
Champion: I don't.
Bailey: I don't.
O'Donnell: And people that will put chemical into the ground that will kill termites for a period of 25 years.
Elliott: Yeah. My thought is, where does it end?
O'Donnell: We don't license them in the City, so.
Correia: So, the folks that do this work in the community.
Atkins: Yes, they recommend it.
Correia: They have recommended to us that we do this.
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Atkins:
O'Donnell:
Elliott:
Correia:
Elliott:
Champion:
Elliott:
O'Donnell:
Baeth:
Atkins:
Bailey:
Atkins:
Wilburn:
Elliott:
O'Donnell:
Champion:
Bailey:
O'Donnell:
Wilburn:
Elliott:
Bailey:
Yes.
Some have.
As a means of keeping outsiders out.
Protecting the public safety.
If somebody from Columbus Junction isn't licensed in Iowa City, he can't install an air
conditioner in Iowa City. So this is pretty much a protectionary move.
That's a really good point.
Well that's what it looks like to me.
Well and I think during a, like the case where we had the tornado, if we'd have had many places
damaged, people will come to a town where there's work available, and I can see the necessity
to have them licensed, because we don't know, they have no history of workmanship. These
people that have been around since 1956 doing work in our community, we do have that.
Steve, do you have an idea of what the licensing procedure is like?
It's an examination.
An exam and, you know, they have to have years of experience as well.
Yeah.
And one more too, there's, nationally, a concern about the very issue that Mike has been talking
about. Not necessarily just people coming in for disaster but, you know, not every state has
active Better Business Bureaus and things like that, so.
Mmm hmm.
We do, and we're, I agree. That's.
I would be more concerned about somebody putting in commercial kitchen hoods. I mean,
that's where all the fires have been downtown. It's been kitchen hoods.
Mmm hmm.
But see, once again, that's
That's part of it, yeah.
I think this is, that's in here.
It is.
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Champion: I know it, but I'm talking about the rest of it. Maybe we can defer this so we can all get more
information.
Baeth: Let me tell you from a pre-medical background, carbon monoxide is nothing to thumb your
noses at. It kills.
Atkins: True.
Baeth: And I think this is important. I mean this can have grave consequences if this isn't done right. It
can kill a whole family.
Elliott: Good point.
O'Donnell: That's very true, but once again, I'm talking about the experiences of people that have been
doing this for 40 and 50 years that
Bailey: And so are they concerned that they would have to take an examination?
O'Donnell: Some are.
Bailey: Because?
O'Donnell: Some people just don't take tests well.
Bailey: Oh, I understand that for sure, but.
O'Donnell: I don't know. I, I'm probably going to lose this. !tjust seems, it just seems to me if you've been
doing business in our community all these years and doing it relatively, well, doing it safely, to
now come in and make this provision, when I think there should be a grandfather provision, just
seems like we're dong it because we can.
Bailey: Well, and I can only assume that this, like so many other areas, has advances that people mayor
may not be up to speed on. They may be working with certain types of air conditioning, heating
and ventilation units, and I think it's important that people know how to do this accurately. I, [
generally, when we do these sorts of things, I generally take the Board of Appeals and you
know, the Homebuilders' Association's opinions on this professionalism very seriously because
this isn't something I do. I mean, it's not my area of expertise, so I think listening to the experts
has some, I mean, I think it's an important thing. And if our, if Coralville is also looking at this,
I think that that also merits some consideration.
Elliott: I forget when I read through this. Are we licensing individuals or businesses?
Vanderhoef: Individuals.
Atkins: Individuals, take the exam.
Elliott: So in other words a business, there might be some people who
Bailey: Choose not to.
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Elliott: If they're not licensed, they could not work on it. Could they work on it with someone else, just
so there's someone, how would we do it? Someone on the job is licensed?
Vanderhoef: Yes, yes. The business has to have someone who is licensed and then there can be others that
work with them. .
Elliott: No - but, there would have to be, is that the way it would be enforced, Steve? It would have to
be a licensed person on the job 100% of the time?
Atkins: Someone must be licensed to sign off on the work performed by the company.
Elliott: Ok. To sign off on it.
Atkins: Yeah. Same way an architect or engineer uses their seal.
Elliott: Mmm hmm. Ok.
O'Donnell: When you brought up a commercial hood, though, if a commercial hood is installed downtown,
we inspect that, don't we?
Atkins: I suspect we would, yeah.
O'Donnell: We have inspectors who are going to inspect that to make sure that it's done properly.
Wilburn: Well, give it some thought overnight.
Champion: I'm not sure, because if you're getting a new hood, I'm not so sure that would even require a
permit or, would you call for a?
Atkins: Folks, you ask me - I'll have to get somebody here.
Bailey: But I guess, I mean, your point, Mike, you've always been really concerned about businesses
and being able to operate things efficiently and effectively. So if we come in
O'Donnell: Thank you for pointing that out.
Bailey: Ifwe come in and inspect, and it has not been installed correctly, that's a delay for that
business. And you know we're probably going to bear the brunt of that, but the fact of the
matter is, if we can do things to smooth the way, to make sure things are safe and properly
installed, that's, that's a business-friendly practice, actually.
O'Donnell: That's also assuming that they're not being done properly now.
Bailey: This is like a double stamp of approval.
O'Donnell: Well this is like, that's not the case in this. You know, you can either agree or not. We can
grandfather people in who have been doing business in our community for a number of years or
not. That's just a yes or no thing.
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Bailey: But not everybody in an establishment has to be licensed to be able to continue to work in this
field.
Wilburn: Eleanor, did you have something you?
Dilkes: Well Ijust wanted to, you know, an inspection doesn't guarantee the workmanship, just so
we're clear about that. In fact, the City has immunity. We don't have any liability for a quote
bad inspection, so that's kind of at a different level than the workmanship being done by the
folks.
Correia: I was going to say, cause some things are related to under the surface. You can only inspect
what appears to have been, and then you have to have that trust of a license, that you know that
they know.
Bailey: True.
Elliott: Mmm hmm.
Champion: You know, another way to look at this, I'm not sure I'm gonna support it, is that we do inspect
electrical wiring. In fact, you can't cover it up until it's inspected. You can't cover it up until
it's inspected, you can't put a wall over it. So this is, and that has to be a licensed electrician. So
we're already controlling this in some areas.
Elliott: Austin's point was most compelling for me, but I'm still concerned about this being basically a
protectionist.
Champion: Well, I think that's a really good point.
Atkins: You have to adopt one of these public safety codes on a split vote, folks and I think if you have
that concern, send it back to the Board of Appeals with your concerns, and let them respond to
them.
Bailey: But do keep in mind that most trade groups exist for those kinds of reasons, in addition to other
reasons. So.
Wilburn: It's not also, to take off from your point, it's not just a mater of installation of equipment but the
handling of equipment and you know, systems where people are breathing in different-
Elliott: Oh yeah.
Wilburn: Contamination can happen ifit's not handled correctly as it's installed and I guess that's the
only other point.
Bailey: Do we have to send this back?
Champion: Can we defer or send it back?
Bailey: I would support it tomorrow night.
Vanderhoef: I would too.
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Correia:
Wilburn:
Bailey:
Elliott:
Wilburn:
Elliott:
Wilburn:
Elliott:
Wilburn:
Elliott:
Wilburn:
Correia:
Wilburn:
Correia:
Correia:
I would support it.
I would too.
But I do tend to agree with Steve that we should, we should, this is a public safety issue, we
should be really clear that we're supportive of it.
I'd like to have a little more time to talk to a few more people and think about it, but as I said,
Austin's, Austin's point was compelling for me, but I do have some other concerns. For
instance, one of them being where do we go from here? What else are we going to license?
Well, I don't know that the Board of Appeals is gonna be able to answer that question.
No, but I need time to roll it around in my mind and talk to some people and.
Ok. All right.
Because I would like for this, I think Steve's point is good too, that it would be good to have a
strong, at least a strong consensus.
Ok. Well, if someone wants to think about it overnight, ask some questions, do that during the
day tomorrow. If someone wants to defer it then they can do so tomorrow night.
And that would give Mike a little time to think about his concerns. Thanks.
Any other items, agenda items?
I have, in setting a public hearing, item-
The consent calendar?
Sorry. The consent calendar.
4(e)2 CONSIDER A RESOLUTION SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING ON
NOVEMBER 28, 2006 ON THE UPDATE OF THE IOWA CITY HOUSING
AUTHORITY'S HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHER (HCV) ADMINISTRATIVE
PLAN.
4(e)3 CONSIDER A RESOLUTION SETING A PUBLIC HEARING ON NOVEMBER
28,2006 ON THE UPDATE OF THE IOWA CITY HOUSING AUTHORITY
PUBLIC HOUSING ADMISSIONS AND CONTINUED OCCUPANCY PLAN
(ACOP):
Item (e) 2, the resolution setting a public hearing - I'm on page 3 of the agenda - setting the
public hearing on the update of the housing authority, housing choice voucher program. Do, the
Housing and Community Development Commission, the description of the duties of that body
include reviewing policies and programs of the Public Housing Authority? I haven't seen that
this, these policies have gone through that?
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Atkins: I learned this afternoon that we did not take it to HCDC and I haven't had a chance to do any
work on that, but I, my instincts I think, Amy, are the same as yours. That they ought to have at
least a run by.
Elliott: Oh, very much so. Yes.
Correia: Yeah, I would like to see that.
Bailey: Yes.
Correia: Ok.
Atkins: I don't koow - I don't believe there's a deadline on this.
Correia: Ok.
Atkins: At the worst we could have the hearing, you could refer it on to them. Just let me find out a little
more by tomorrow.
Correia: Ok. Ok.
Vanderhoef: There are some new rules also. I was talking with Steve Rackis this afternoon, because there
have been some changes made at the federal level that I wasn't aware of, and so I was calling to
talk about this preference, because originally we weren't allowed to put preferences in, and in
checking back and so forth, they went through in '98 or '99.
Correia: Yeah. We've had local preferences for awhile. The opportunity for local preferences, yeah.
Vanderhoef: But, prior to that time it was a problem with our Human Rights ordinance. On preferences.
Because then it was open to first come first serve kind of thing.
Correia: Mmm. So the other item then related to that is the Affordable Dream Home Opportunities
Program. Would that? Because the Housing Commission says regarding the use of public funds
to meet the needs of lower and moderate-income residents?
Atkins: I'll, if I recall the history, I don't believe we've done that routinely.
Correia: Oh, ok.
Atkins: I'll ask the same, when I'm talking to staff tomorrow I'll try to get answers for all three of
those.
Dilkes: Good question about the Dream House.
Atkins: I didn't think we had, yeah.
Vanderhoef: I didn't catch
Correia: I was just wondering if this goes through the Housing Commission or could or should as a?
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Atkins: I don't believe it does. I mean, as your own policy, you can certainly adopt or any review
procedure you want, but I think historically we have not done that. The other two I'm not as
comfortable with.
Correia: Right, because it specifically says public, yeah.
Vanderhoef: Yeah. The Dream House one is when they have money in the account and
Correia: It's public money.
Vanderhoef: That, and also when they have buyers.
Correia: Excuse me?
Vanderhoef: When they have buyers.
Correia: Oh, uh huh.
Vanderhoef: Eligible. But when they knew they were getting close to having their second one after they
opened the previous house.
ITEM 12. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION RESCINDING PRIOR RESOLUTION NO. 02-11 AND IN
LIEU THEREOF SETTING FEES AND CHARGES WITH RESPECT TO THE
ADMINISTRATION OF REGULATIONS OF TAXICABS, BY REPLACING "VEHICLE
FOR HIRE" REFERENCES WITH "TAXICAB".
Elliott: Item 12. The cost of vehicle decals stays the same but every six months. Does that mean the
annual costs doubles.
Karr: Yes, it means the annual cost doubles, because it's actual costs, but we did add a $20 credit for
every decal turned in, so in essence, instead of the potential of $80 a year, $40 times 2, they
have a $20 credit that would keep it to $60.
Vanderhoef: But they're getting two inspections for that rather than just -
Karr: They're getting two inspections, two decals, everything is times 2.
Elliott: Now is this gonna be, have we decided, is this going to be mechanical, automotive inspections
or are we just doing exterior?
O'Donnell: I have automotive inspections.
Vanderhoef: Mechanical.
Karr: We're doing, in accordance with the ordinance, exterior and interior inspections twice a year.
Atkins: It's a better, it's a higher level of inspection, if that's what you're
Elliott: But I'm thinking of exhaust systems and that sort of thing.
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Atkins: Breaks, yes.
Elliott: Ok.
O'Donnell: It is? (can't hear)
Vanderhoef: That's why we changed it down to public works than to the police department.
Bailey: That's why somebody else is doing it.
Elliott: Right.
Atkins: The police substantially did a walk around.
O'Donnell: Good.
Elliott: Right.
Atkins: The mechanics are going to
Elliott: Do the break lights work and you got two headlights.
4(f)2 CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING BY-LAWS OF THE HOUSING
AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION
Wilburn: I have to jump back up to the consent calendar, page 4, resolution approving the bylaws of the
Housing Community Development Commission. Eleanor, am I conflicted with that resolution?
Dilkes: I think we've. Probably.
Wilburn: I'm looking in particular at the second amendment.
Dilkes: We've, although your vote won't, assuming it's a 7/0 vote, it's not going to make a difference to
the result, but yes, you probably should remove that one.
Wilburn: So, if somebody could remove that.
Vanderhoef: #2?
Wilburn: Yeah. For separate consideration from the consent calendar. Other agenda items?
Correia: Well, I can go. Actually, I have that agenda item as well. As part of the Youth bylaw changes,
we, well the Housing Commission requested and then (can't hear) to take out for this particular,
the questions about race. This was the only (can't hear) and one of the things that, I would be
interested in having that information on all commission applications just to get a sense of are we
building diversity within our boards and commissions. I was just wondering if there was some,
Eleanor, her staff would have to do some checking into that, whether that, you know, what
would be the ability to do that, which would take some time, so.
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Champion: I think, if it's legal we do it, otherwise I think if somebody is in a minority and they're on a
commission or applying for a commission, especially when that, we'd like to see some
minorities, they should state that in their application.
Bailey: Well not if it's Planning and Zoning, because we don't ask them to do that.
Champion: No, they don't do that.
Correia: Yeah, that's
Bailey: So if we want diversity across our commissions and task forces, we're going to have to gather
some information and see if we're getting the diversity we seek.
Correia: Right. And so just having it be standard on all boards and commissions, and it could be
optional, people certainly don't have to fill it out, but that would be just one way.
Bailey: Absolutely.
Champion: Can you legally do that?
Elliott: Oh that, that really grates on me. Even if it's optional. Anybody filling out an application, if you
say it's optional, they assume it's required.
Correia: We can have a statement!
Bailey: Some, some people have not filled it out, some people have not chosen to fill it out, even for the
Housing and Community Development Commission.
Elliott: I am very apprehensive about asking questions about race and
Bailey: But we do it.
Elliott: I know. And it really causes me great concerns.
Dilkes: I think we'd have to take a look at it. There is, despite the number of, you know, public boards
and commissions that require gender balance, for instance, I think there is a problem with that.
But it sounds to me like you're not talking about gender balance, race balance, that kind of
thing. You're talking about it as one factor to consider in an attempt to assure diversity, and I'm
just gonna have to take a look at that. I can't give you an answer to that right now.
Bailey: I'd be interested.
Correia: I guess the question is is there enough people interested just in finding out?
Champion: I think I would be.
Bailey: I'm interested.
Vanderhoef: The other way that we could go about it that wouldn't identify a certain person is have a report
back on the diversity from the commission Chairs.
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Bailey: As long as we let people self-identify.
Vanderhoef: No, just as a group we have 2 or 3.
Bailey: Right, but I as a Chair do not call you, you know, American Indian, you identify yourself as
American Indian.
Vanderhoef: Oh yeah.
Bailey: I mean, so that's, we would have to be gathering that information somehow.
Correia: Well, that would certainly give us a sense of where we are right now on our present
commissions if we wanted to do a surveyor something, which seems a little bit separate from
how we.
Bailey: Well, it is
Champion: We make appointments based on gender.
Bailey: Right. We all, we've discussed that.
Champion: Sometimes a commission is all females and,
Bailey: Right.
Champion: So we are already making that, I'm already making that decision based on one of those things.
Bailey: So I think if we could look at more.
Champion: Yeah - I think it'd be great.
Elliott: And these are the arguments that have been used in the employment area.
Champion: What?
Elliott: They say "oh, we're using this so we can, so we can more effectively recruit minorities,
whether, racial minorities or women who might be considered minorities," that sort of thing.
That's the reasoning I've heard for years.
Dilkes: Well, in the employment area, under Title 7 it, you have to, in order to do that, have a
demonstrated history of discrimination which allows you to correct that by the consideration of
those factors. But there is case law, like in the Michigan law school case, that may allow it to be
considered as a factor, but not the determinative factor.
Wilburn: That was the University of Michigan case, wasn't it?
Dilkes: Yeah. It certainly is a difficult area, and you, we have had claims made, we have had a claim
made by someone who was not appointed to a volunteer board based on a protected class; so it
certainly is a touchy area.
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Champion: Yes. I can see it would be.
Wilburn: Well, there's enough of us interested in asking you to pursuit it, yeah. Get some information.
Elliott: I'd appreciate that.
Wilburn: Other agenda items?
ITEM 13. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION SUPPORTING THE DEVELOPMENT OF
AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE CITY OF IOWA CITY BY COMMITMENT OF A
$320,000 LOAN TO THE HOUSING FELLOWSHIP FUNDING BY ISSUANCE OF
BONDS AND AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO SIGN A LETTER OF SUPPORT TO
FULFILL THE THRESHOLD REQUIREMENTS OF THE LOW INCOME HOUSING
TAX CREDIT APPLICATION.
Elliott: I had a question about 13, but I can't now remember what it is. Could somebody explain? We're
talking about acquiring and rehabilitating 14 affordable family housing units. What?
Atkins: Housing Fellowship has 14 units of affordable housing. They wish to apply for tax credits. They
need someone to provide matching moneys for the whole, for the overall program. It takes a lot
of arithmetic to get you there, but the bottom line is that in participating in trying to secure these
tax credits, these projects will be, in effect like a holding company will own them. They will be
substantially rehabilitated.
Elliott: So this is funds to enable us to rehab existing low-income units that need rehabbed. Ok.
Atkins: Yes. As well as - yes, ok.
Elliott: Ok. Good. Thanks.
Vanderhoef: They're sold out and then they can be bought back after 15 years.
Correia: Well and, right, and during that time of the holding company they will be paying property taxes.
Atkins: Yes.
Elliott: Good.
Vanderhoef: What bothers me about this whole thing is the fact that the Housing Fellowship had to sell 2
units this past year just to have cash flow. And now the, we're not, we've lost 2 units, we're not
getting any new units, we're only preserving these 14, and it's over 2 million dollars to preserve
all of them. By the time they put their money in, from both, the tax credits and the Housing
Fellowshipment, it's a little over 2 million dollars for those 14 units. And that seems a little
expensive to me.
Champion: I think it's really expensive. It doesn't include the land.
Correia: Yeah, it does. It includes the whole thing.
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Atkins: Yeah.
Vanderhoef: But the value on the units right now is 800 and some thousand dollars. Then the tax credits
they're going for is over a million, one million three or something like that.
Atkins: Yeah.
Vanderhoef: I don't have it right here in front of me, but when you add it all up.
Correia: The tax credits are (can't hear) dollars. You sell tax credits you don't get dollar for dollar back.
You get lower. I mean, a tax credit isn't a dollar. It's - you really need to buy.
Atkins: The real bottom line, folks, it's a means to accomplish a goal to get these 14 units remain
affordable.
Elliott: Sold. I'm fine.
Correia: Mmm hmm.
Vanderhoef: Than, and it's.
Atkins: We're in a first position, that'll be a mortgage placed on the property to protect our interest.
Vanderhoef: 5.7, which is, is that 2, what is prime right now?
Champion: I'm not gonna vote it down, but that's a lot of money. 6 and 1/2.
Atkins: It's gotta be, I was gonna say it's pushing 7 - this number is probably a little high. We usually
borrow at a lower rate than that. That's what they incorporated - their estimate, not mine.
Dilkes: I made the resolution, when I was asked to add this, I made the resolution, because they needed
a commitment, as I understand it. You needed to express that commitment,
Atkins: Yes.
Dilkes: But I said commitment subject to subsequent City Council approval of a loan agreement with
Greater Iowa City Housing Fellowship. So you'll have, you'll be looking at this again before
there's money given.
Atkins: If they don't get the tax credit, the deal's off.
Vanderhoef: Yeah. But the, I didn't know whether we were sort of using the prime minus 2% like we have
done on, ah
Atkins: This will be a taxable bond, too.
Dilkes: I don't know what those arrangements have been, but it will corne to you again to look at.
Vanderhoef: Ok.
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Wilburn:
ITEM 16.
Correia:
Atkins:
Correia:
Elliott:
Correia:
Champion:
Correia:
Atkins:
Correia:
O'Donnell:
Correia:
Atkins:
Correia:
Atkins:
Correia:
Atkins:
Elliott:
Atkins:
Wilburn:
Council Time
Other agenda items?
CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AWARDING CONTRACT AND AUTHORIZING THE
MAYOR TO SIGN AND THE CITY CLERK TO ATTEST A CONTRACT FOR
CONSTRUCTION OF THE GRAND AVENUE ROUNDABOUT PROJECT.
Ijust have a question on #16, the Grand Avenue? This total project
I didn't hear the number. Which one was it?
# 16.
16.
The Grand Avenue roundabout.
Roundabout.
This bid for this construction includes all of the work, including that taking the stairs out in
front of?
That's what I understand - it's everything.
Ok. It's everything, that whole Univers - ok.
There's a huge difference in the bids. It went from like 340 to 5, 50S? Insanely different.
500.
I asked the same question, and without pointing fingers, somebody thought they might try to
steal it, because you look at the others, put your thumb over it.
They might, what did you say?
In our term, they try to steal it, like, well, let me throw a bid and see what happens.
Oh.
Four others got in in front.
Shows a level of interest.
Yes it do.
Other agenda items? Council time.
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Bailey:
Correia:
Helling:
Bailey:
Helling:
Bailey:
Elliott:
Helling:
Bailey:
Elliott:
Helling:
Bailey:
Elliott:
O'Donnell:
Helling:
O'Donnell:
Helling:
Elliott:
Dale, I have a question about this Mediacom issue. Sorry. This is, is the issue only with KGAN?
Is it also with KDSM, the Fox station, which is a Sinclair-owned station? I've only seen KGAN
in the correspondence, but the newspaper included the Fox station, KDSM.
Yeah, it did.
The, Sinclair owns network affiliates, CBS, whatever, and also some Fox affiliates. I'm not
aware of what will happen with Fox, because my understanding it that the disagreement,
they've negotiated a package on these. The disagreement is with, over the CBS station, KGAN.
Now, whether the whole package falls apart, that, that I don't know.
Ok.
We can ask that question and see.
I'm a little bit curious, because I've gotten that question, because they're-
I've talked to a Mediacom employee, who was definitely not a part of management, but who
indicated that the Fox station would go too, but that, who knows.
It very well might.
But that's what people are saying because that was in the newspaper article, so I would just like
to have some.
Yeah. I agree.
The only complaints that I'm aware of that we've gotten is, focus primarily on KGAN, that's
what people are really mostly concerned about.
Right, right.
Tell the people who to be angry at - that's what most people I talk to say, "I don't know what to
think!"
Realistically, what are the odds? I mean, there have been.
I don't know, Mike, I really don't know. This has been played out before with some satellite
companies.
Yes it has.
And my understanding is that, that they somehow resolved them at the 11 th hour. But it's also
my understanding that this is the 1'1 time that Sinclair has taken this position with a cable
operator.
Sinclair has an attitude anyway, I think.
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Baeth:
So Dale, you say here that any additional costs incurred if they do negotiate for this channel,
will be felt by the subscribers. How about if we don't get these channels and we lose them - are
we going to pay less money?
Helling:
I wouldn't bet on that.
(laughter)
O'Donnell: You never pay less.
Baeth: That's wrong.
Wilburn: Either way, the public loses.
Elliott: Yeah.
ITEM 15. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION DEDICATING 8.29 ACRES OF A PARCEL OF
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4213 S.E. SAND ROAD AS PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY,
AND DESIGNATING THE BALANCE OF SAID PARCEL, CONSISTING OF
APPROXIMATELY 152 ACRES, AS PUBLIC PARKLAND.
Vanderhoef: Mmm hmm. I have one other question, I'm sorry. #15. When we're talking about the
boundaries and the land dedicated for future road, it's talking about the southern boundary of
this, and the Mormon Trek extension is north of Sand Lake, south Sand Lake. So is there
another road on the south side of that property?
Atkins: That's what I was explaining. Yeah, there is another road. It's on the south portion.
Vanderhoef: Clear down there.
Atkins: Yeah. Clear down there.
Vanderhoef: Ok. I know they showed that to us and I couldn't remember.
Elliott: That's the existing road?
Vanderhoef: No.
Elliott: Their gonna put -
Atkins: Let me see if! can find some kind of a simple map or something to bring along tomorrow night.
Elliott: Ok.
Vanderhoef: If! hadn't thrown out myoid packets, I would have looked up that map. But I did a good job of
cleaning up the office this week.
Wilburn: Anyone else want Council time?
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Champion: Oh! I just want to remind everybody and, and I didn't RSVP for the employee dinner, but we
can just show up, can't we, if we're gonna work?
Atkins: Sure. You gotta work. II o'clock-ll to 1.
Vanderhoef: We gotta change this date. I have not made an employee dinner since I went on League of
Cities.
Atkins: What are better times?
Vanderhoef: It always is (can't hear)
Bailey: League of Cities, it probably employs fewer people - we have how many employees, right?
Atkins: We'll feed about 300.
O'Donnell: Has anybody noticed the leaf guys out? They're just doing a tremendous job there.
Bailey: Yeah.
Correia: Yeah. Love leaves.
Bailey: Could they just come and vacuum them off my stupid sycamore tree? It's not gonna drop until
January.
(laughter)
O'Donnell: Only if they do my oak trees.
Elliott: The one guy who moves the vacuum, I don't know how long he or she does that, but that's gotta
be tough on the shoulders and arms.
Atkins: It is. Yeah.
O'Donnell: We watch these guys, and they're just covered with that, mulching.
Bailey: Are we done, then.
Elliott: No, they're coming back later this month.
Atkins: Oh no.
O'Donnell: 'Tit the 22nd, I understand.
Champion: I mean the leaves are just, so many leaves.
Vanderhoef: Unless it snows tomorrow and the next day. Then what do we do?
Wilburn: Well in the past, when, they've sent them around again in the past, when the leaves have still
been in the trees.
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Atkins: Not much.
Bailey: Sycamores never throw off.
Atkins: 3 years ago we had an early snow and it bunged everything up and we had to wait about 3 or 4
weeks. People got a little excited, but there's not much you can do about it.
O'Donnell: I used to bag mine up, take them over to Ernie Lehman's.
Wilburn: Anyone else want Council time?
Bailey: Still have to bag them. That's the problem.
Wilburn: We still have on the schedule pending discussion items and future meeting schedule.
Vanderhoef: What have we got left on our pending schedule right now?
Bailey: I thought we cleared it.
Wilburn: I thought we did too, pretty well.
O'Donnell: I did too.
Bailey: I thought we cleared it.
Vanderhoef: We cleared a lot of it. Having 2 extra work meetings. Amazing what we can get done.
Wilburn: Yeah.
Bailey: Feels like it's been a really (can't hear)
Atkins: I wouldn't plan too many more of those because the I't of the year is gonna roll around and
you're gonna be gobbled up with budget time.
Wilburn: What's your tentative plan for getting the budget draft to us?
Atkins: Oh, mid-December.
Champion: Want to set some days in January to meet?
Bailey: We have them.
Atkins: We should probably.
Correia: We have them?
Bailey: They're on your calendar, Connie.
Champion: Thank you.
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Wilburn: Trust her.
Champion: I'm still in November.
Wilburn: Ok. See you tomorrow night.
Vanderhoef: Oh, on the Economic Development proposal, it's just in draft form at this point I think. Ah, I
would just request that the Committee look at adding Kirkwood Community College as one of
our assets or for certainly an opportunity.
Bailey: We talked about that today. It came up today.
Champion: We're not gonna have that list.
Bailey: It's gonna be a narrative.
Champion: Narrative. That was just for our own.
Bailey: That was just an exercise. But that did come up today, Dee.
Vanderhoef: Ok. Good.
Wilburn: See you tomorrow night.
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