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Home My WebLink About1994-10-25 Agenda -',,-"::.'. " . , ; ,.',,<, ' ~~, <, )'~~". '.". .:'.' , "" .: . '. ~., \:':tl',.'i'":,,, . . j-'. j/' ~,,' '. ,'." , '. ......... /1 ";.::/ if" t- -- .,...,,--. -~"" ';....... , - . ..:'~ -. ','~ ,'i. .........,......'-,........""~..__.... . . , . . ' . - .. ~ _.n__'....'-';,.'--,,~l,;.u.t~...,..., _,u.,-,,, "/.'>\ ._" ~,.l.I_. ._~'-...". u, . ,'-'-.~ .._,.....~..~~-- .-.-_._ "'~ IOWA CITY CITY COUNCIL , AGENDA .ri ~..;.,& 1.1 \ . ,~ ,;~..,., REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING OF OCTOBER 25, 1994 7:30 P.M. ,1 i I I i I . I ! I II I ,~ I' ' 1,[ ~~ i~~1 , L, \ ,(~~~. ,_ . '-~~~-, '.' -- , . \',: " r 1 COUNCIL CHAMBERS, CIVIC CENTER 410 EAST WASHINGTON - ")"':' ,',0.,;;:''-'::' ,::\!::,,: "', , .. .1r .1 ............. . "......-.. -- " '. .- ';" '-." ',', , ... .... . ',' . n__ ...~~__,_,."'"'..,.: It) I . .. ........ .........1......-. ..,. '. ',',e;. .,.0', .' ,: <) , " ',~_ '. J", . .' ~i~;',:~, " ~, f", ~ . . " ',~t~" , . ""\1",, '. ,,-.,:. ;"" ",' "1,- ,'., l ... . . ., ',..;,.- .., --- ':,..,.,.... ..', "-" ...,- '" ,." ''''-''~''':'~'-'';:''''---''-''._'~-- ..-' , ,"" '. ,,' '. . .... ,.~ _ .__,..... "'''''.'-'-'-'-'',..'--' '_:;'~:"", >0_..............-...;,;'." ~, '.~;'~ . ~'. ......... _~_. ',..". w'.,' ..',," " _ _,.., '._. ", '.'_'" .'. ,',_ """ >,_. ~.___.;~_ n...._ _, ...' ROLL CALL. ~ ;b@~ . ~-7 tMtj . .~~ klVW 11~ ,Mr-H-u/ 'dI~ ~ AGENDA IOWA CITY CITY COUNCIL REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING - OCTOBER 25,1994 7:30 P.M. COUNCIL CHAMBERS ITEM NO.1. CALL TO ORDER. ITEM NO.2. SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS. tftuf-u4 a. Presentation of Outstanding Student Citizen Awards to squdents of Helen Lemme Elementary School. (11 Megan Ansley (21 T.J. Meyerholz (31 Brie Nixon (4) Anna Stephan b. Presentation of Certificate of Achievement for Excellence Award for the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report for the year ending June 30, 1993. " Comment: This Certificate is awarded by the Government Finance Officer's Association and is the highest form of recognition in govern- ment accounting. Its attainment represents a significant accomplish- ment. This is the ninth consecutive year that the City has received the award. Q " The following staff members should be commended for their hard work in achieving this award: Craig Standish, City Controller; the Accounting staff, specifically Regina Schreiber, Sr. Acco~ntant, and Ann Maurer, Accountant; Document Services Division for typing the document; and the Print Shop. [ fU' r, . '(, ,~ t ~" 1;,: \' , I ITEM NO. 4- a. Change Your Clock, Change Your Battery Day - October 30, 1994. b. Red Ribbon Week - October 23-31, 1994. In/Ji J l. Co,,;/ ~ IJIJIO ~J 71UC I'( &M.h CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS PRESENTED OR AMENDED. !' , ;& i ~.. , ITEM NO.3. MAYOR'S PROCLAMATION. a. Approval of Official Council actions of the regular meeting of October 11, and the special meeting of October 18, 1994, as published, subject to corrections, as recommended by the City Clerk. .'. b. Minutes of Boards and Commissions. (11 Design Review Committee meeting of September 19, 1994. (21 Board of library Trustees meeting of September 22, 1994. ,~'C~ ~":'A J .~ -;-,.. ~~.""""~~",, 0, j",;-" ,).....''- ":, ..........."..."........ T' ,,~ ;\. ..~ ' , 10/ .. "','-' -," l ;J ,w,~;:"'''' " '''''''''. " . ,~ , .~ .. .,', ".. ,', ' :,'i" ~: " ',' ")',1- ''''" '. . '",,1,..'.. , ~, '" ' , ;,' "'''' '"',, , ", I.' .,.' ~' ., .;...'_" ,.:..;;~'; ,,~::.~l.,O":';,~'.',,'c.,.::.,..\..'..,'."C'...h..............__'........._._....,' #2 page 1 Horowl (#2) Special Presentations Horowl We have some special presentations to be made. Let me come out here and ask our special people to come forward for our citizens Award. This evening our awards are for our students from Lemme School. And the citizenship Award is, as you remember, are for outstanding qualities of leadership this evening within Lemme Elementary School and for the sense of responsibility and helpful to others and we are recognizing these students as outstanding student citizens. The community is very proud of them. These are being presented by the city council and so I appreciate you being here this evening. The first award is to Brie Nixon, T. J. Meyerholz, Anna Stephen and Anna isn't here this evening but I am asking Brie to take this back to school for her and Megan Ansley. congratulations Megan. I would like to ask our Citizenship Award students to say something. I Brie Nixonl I would just like to say thank you to Mr. Kelly our principal and all the teachers and the city council. Megan AnsleYI I would like to say thank you to the city council, my teachers and the principal, Mr. Keely and I am really happy to be one of the good citizens. Q T. J. Meyerholzl I would like to say thank you to my parents and my teachers and my school for letting us participate and the city council for sponsoring. . r'. I, I Horowl I would like to tell you that they in their submission of why they wanted this award told us they were very proud to be considered leaders. That they were proud to represent their school. They thought it would be fun to be a representative of their school. And I appreciate those qualities of leadership. Thanks very much. .. d I I ! i I j Ii 'I : I i I I! l( \1>Jt J F102594 11 ;..~ f' i:' I '. ....: .: '... ,. . .'. ~" . 'I~ot )C",'::."'" '\ ::"-':,:)::;,':"'::':,:,:" '......;.1\,"',.. "'T" "! t;, ,;....'...) , ,10'/ :(~"~_I-"~=-- ';',,', 'I. ~~~~\, ~',:' , ~' {,'fi .. , . - ','1 " , ' --~"- .- .. ':''', "~" , ,.""\\\l'i -',' ~~, "P, ., " '"",,! .... '.,'. ' .. ' :, . '~.. ,,: .~;:" ._.,;,,~ ~",;~,i:;..".co;.~:...~~>:, d~'. _l.;;U:':-';';:';>I~'::'::I,;~I:'(';'o.J.,;;,:'::;;':'~;':'-U;:'~~I,,;..:,'....:::'~L;~J':':"l;~,-;"'~:~".,..",~~-:.-..:::~...~.~;~.. 'A_~, .~,~ ,." -"_ _...~.__~...~,_ .__ ,._.:. _, ~..~. _ .~.,. ..., :._ _....:....;~.:, ' .:. Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting October 25, 1994 Page 2 (3) Board of Library Trustees meeting of September 29, 1994. ,.(41 Sel,;or CeRter Ceffiffiissio" l"astiRS ef AI:I[ll:lst 16, 1 334. J;.,~ (5) Parks and Recreation Commission meeting of September 28, 1994. (61 Housing Commission meeting of September 13, 1994. (7) Charter Review Commission meeting of October 12, 1994 (8) Broadband Telecommunications Commission meeting of Septem- ber 21, 1994. " (9) Planning and Zoning Commission meeting of October 3, 1994. (10) Planning and Zoning Commission meeting of October 6,1994. c. Permit Motions and Resolutions as Recommended by the City Clerk. (1) Consider a motion approving a Class "C" Beer Permit for Miller- mart, Inc., dba Millermart, Inc., 2303 Muscatine Ave. (Renewall r (2) Consider a motion approving a Class "E" Beer Permit for Eagle Food Centers, Inc., dba Eagle Food Center #220, 1101 S. Riverside Dr. (Renewal) t ~. r:....~ I \ . ~~ if I . I II ii' I' I ~. I .. I \' :\.j l \~":{.' ~'I~ 1:' Ii. ~> ~" 1 - . .',", ' '~'i .' ....., ':"-~ . ' :]....:..." "';".. " 0 ", ' . 'I' " , ., ~- T ,If', '.,,',. '-,',.""".,;.,'''', '''T'''''~ ):1 ',~' .,..' ." B' , g [L \ .. .([~ " .! 0 :~" '" .,,' ',' A ~~ --,,<:::_, ' ,'j , I: / ! <I '., , .i:"..';.'. ,~t , , . " .;':~~~~'I:;~,:!:,. ':. ' '--.' , ,~< . . ',~, ' .. . ',!--;! " , ..' r '" .' ',~, , '" ',., ~ _' ~...: _;":'"';:_:~:l ,~,",...:)i:.,~~:;'<: ~ l~ .'-'~;;':;; ~.:':";,.J.. ;;:.;.:,:u;;i~h~',:.:.,;,;,:J~;:.;u.~.!':~';~::'::';::'!~'~~'l!!_\;<u" ",~ M''::'''~''~''~':':''_'"--~' .., . ,-. ~:...:-.~. ~'.~""'-''''''''''''-"' >--.""",-~",...,.,---._""'"",,....,'.'.' ' ~ ,. I I " Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting October 25, 1994 Page 3 d. Setting Public hearings. qf- 3ZS (1) CONSIDER A RESOLUTION SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING ON NOVEMBER 8,1994, ON THE PROPOSED RATE INCREASE FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER FEES. Comment: This resolution sets a public hearing on the proposed rate increase for water and wastewater fees. The hearing will be held in the Civic Center Council Chambers at 7:30 p.m., November 8, 1994, to permit public input to be heard for or against the proposed rate increase for water and wastewater. The first reading of the ordinance will also take place at the November 8th meeting. The second and third readings will be scheduled for the ~ following Council meeting. Publication will be done as soon as legally possible. The new rates are scheduled to go into effect I February 1, 1995, at the earliest. Water and wastewater rates were last increased in 1991. The I proposed increases are needed to comply with existing federal standards and in planning to construct a new water treatment I facility at a cost of $ 50 million and make improvements to double the treatment capacity of the existing south wastewater treatment plant at a cost of $16.4 million and construct a sewer line to connect the two wastewater treatment plants at a cost of $25.7 million. The proposed rate increases for water are 40% the first year and 75% the second year, effective February 1, 1995, and for wastewater, 40% the first year and 35% the second year. The rate increases as proposed will be applied as a flat increase across-the-board to all existing rates and minimum charges. The impact to the average residential user (750 cubic feet per month) is an increase from $38 per month to $48 per month in the ~ first year and an increase to $70 per month in the second year. The minimum bill currently is $23 per month and will increase to $27 per month and $39 per month in the first and second years, respectively. e. Motions. (1) CONSIDER A MOTION TO APPROVE DISBURSEMENTS IN THE AMOUNT OF $10,674,064.09 FOR THE PERIOD OF SEPTEMBER " 1 THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30, 1994, AS RECOMMENDED BY THE FINANCE DIRECTOR SUBJECT TO AUDIT. o I ' "I;''''''':' I " , ,i:... 0 ,oi, ,.,.1 ... .,< \ . '<::-", . ':, ''', 1'( '1\,' .&r.~lli:i " .. i::;!' ',." ~ . '.-,...'. ',1,.-, ,,:"",\\1; , ,','I .' , ' " . , " ""1'-" '" .' -'.' ., ;1;" ,'" __' """" :,' . . '. '.', ,.__w." .""~...,__".,~,,,~j,,,",----,,,(.::"...~,,,;:.o.;:jl.',...':':;\.';:,:,,,-l.::l.:=~.~~i:';';~il:t';";'~'.~,;.,;;;':':':,..~'l,'~.~(~"....,;".".:"'~''''''':':''~--'---'' - ~ '. ., ~._,~ .~,~."._~ '_"_.'_ _"._.~w,.._''''..'_'''' _..'"",'..,i.;. " Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting October 25, 1994 Page 4 f. Resolutions. Q'4 ~ 3 Zlo (11 CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO SIGN AND THE CITY CLERK TO ATTEST A PARTIAL RELEASE AGREE. MENT CONCERNING THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT EASEMENT FOR WINDSOR RIDGE PARTS 1, 2, & 3 AND THE PUBLIC WALKWAY/TRAILS SYSTEM FOR WINDSOR RIDGE PARTS 1 & 4. Comment: The Subdivider's Agreement and Storm water Manage- ment Easement Agreement for Windsor Ridge Subdivision obligate the D'eveloper to construct two storm water management facilities and a public walkway/trails system through open space in various' parts of the subdivision. This obligation constitutes a lien and a cloud on the title to the subdivision lots. The Developer has substantially completed the storm water facilities but a general release of the facilities is not yet appropriate. The Developer has not substantially completed the walkway/trail system, but the Subdivider's Agreement provides for the escrow of monies to ensure completion of public improvements when appropriate. Public Works/Engineering is in agreement that such an escrow is appropriate in this instance. This Partial Release Agreement removes the cloud on the title to lots in the Windsor Ridge Subdivision while protecting the City by establishing escrow funds which will be retained until the facilities and further development which may impact the same are completed. I ~ (f:\ \::;J ~ .1 ,......".. \ \ .-""1 r:':.:~ -;'-("' II' I ~ t '14-- 3 Z '1 (21 CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF AMENDATORY AGREEMENT #12 AND ADDENDUM FOR LEAD BASE PAINT TO THE CONSOLIDATED ANNUAL CONTRIBUTIONS CONTRACT KC-9166, PROJECT NO.IAOS.P022-010. '.' Comment: The Amendment #12 is for the total development cost in the amount of $931,750 for the Public Housing Project lAOS. P022-010 Acquisition of ten units of three bedrooms houses for Public Housing. This allows the ICHA to begin the project. The ICHA Public Housing is lead base paint free. I I I I I I I '6~~ II'" II (I , 91./- - 3 Z e, (31 CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE APPOINTMENT OF MR. DOUGLAS BOOTH ROY AS THE PROJECT OFFICER FOR THE ACQUISITION OF 10 UNITS OF PUBLIC HOUSING FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT PROJECT IAOS.P022.010. 'I~" ",",',' t I,j W t~ Comment: The Department of Housing and Urban Development ,requires a project officer to be appointed for the Acquisition Project IA05.P022.010. Mr. Douglas Boothroy is recommended. , \(-~ 0 1- -:=~- , - -~,~~ -- . !"",.' J"",,'" ,0,..: ,., ',-, ,', \' "c, /'"'1' 0, '''',H<I ' ,. ..L-~~ ~ . , . ,'. ~:' t" , : '\\1" ' " ~ I . " '" ---:l, '., ", ,.",,' . . :"'.' -"" ~ 1_~;.. ., ,..,.". 'h' , ~:. r - i '-'i . , " . ',,: , ~ ' , ' , -. ... . ., ,," ',I Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting October 25, 1994 Page 5 '14 - 32.11 (4) CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE ADOPTION OF THE FAMILY SELF SUFFICIENCY ACTION PLAN OF THE IOWA CITY HOUSING AUTHORITY. Comment: The Department of Housing and Urban Development requires a self sufficiency program for families assisted under the Certificate, Voucher, and Public Housing Programs. This Action Plan implements the program for our tenants and participants. The Housing Commission recommends this plan. HUD has ap- proved the elements of the plan. Cf4- 3~ (5) CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF CONSOLIDATED ANNUAL CONTRIBUTIONS CONTRACT KC- 9033, SECTION 8 RENTAL VOUCHER PROGRAM, PROJECT NO. IA05-V022-018. Comment: The contract provides for nine new Section 8 Rental Vouchers for three bedroom units. The Consolidated Annual Contributions Contract KC9033 covers all 309 units of Section 8 I(j) Rental Vouchers. This contract represents an increase of $ 72,095 I in the Annual Contract Authority to $1,438,196. The award carries a maximum increased Budget Authority of $360,475 over the next five years. 'N. - 331 (6) CONSIDER A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE WORK FOR THE " SANITARY SEWER. STORM SEWER, TILE LINE, WATER MAIN, J PAVING, AND DETENTION BASIN RELEASE STRUCTURE PUBLIC ....A'.~ IMPROVEMENTS FOR WINDSOR RIDGE - PARTS ONE, TWO, , \ THREE AND FOUR. T. Comment: See Engineer's Report. qt(-- 33l. (7) CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING, AUTHORIZING, AND DIRECTING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE AND THE CITY CLERK TO : I ATTEST AN AGREEMENT FOR THE USE OF THE PUBLIC PROPER- I TY BY AND BETWEEN THE CITY OF IOWA CITY, ARLINGTON I L.C., AND WINDSOR RIDGE HOMEOWNERS' ASSOCIATION FOR II PLACEMENT OF AN ENTRANCE SIGN ON STREET RIGHT-OF. I , I WAY WITHIN THE WINDSOR RIDGE DEVELOPMENT. i ~ Comment: Arlington L.C., developer of Windsor Ridge-Parts One, I"'il i Two, Three and Four, desires to place a distinctive entrance sign II '\ within the Arlington Drive right-of-way, which is a City street ~'J located in Windsor Ridge development. Arlington L.C. and the Windsor Ridge Homeowners' Association will maintain the entrance sign. Public Works/Engineering recommends approval of this resolution. , ,- '(- - " 0 '/-" ---~ ",-- ~'..:~ ~E..' o:1:~::" " I" a /5 sO. " ,,:-', ., ,. ;T~::' / ,~,j ~ ,I"'-i , .... , " :\ ,~, , :, ..1,', ,..'."\': ".' -- ",,:. ~ '- ..' '. "'.. ' . '" ,;... .',.,...\<,. .'~'. ' ." ,...;,'~~:-. .- .,. ,,_"._~... ~,~ u,., ",~~'i,,, ,,_.> ,;", \.,. ..... ~,',' ..--."' Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting October 25, 1994 Page 6 g. Correspondence. (1) Letter from Penny Bryn Neighborhood Association expressing appreciation to the City Council for acting on the concerns of the neighborhood by establishing on a trial basis a pattern of stop signs. (2) Letter from the Iowa Arts Festival requesting use of the parking lot adjacent to the Holiday Inn for the entire nine-day festival, June 9 - 17, 1995. The lot was used for a two-day period for the food fest event in June 1994. . (3) Letter from Tom and Sue Aunan expressing their views on the proposal for solid waste collection and on the transit buses. (4) Letter from State Historical Society of Iowa announcing the listing of the Brown Street District in the National Register of Historic Places. (5) Letter from Mark Ginsberg requesting financial support from the , CD City for the 1995 Jazz Festival. :! (6) Letter from Robby Wall regarding soccer fields. (7) Letters regarding the garden in public right-of-way at 618 North Gilbert from: , \ (al Nellie W. and Charles R. Kremena~ (bl James M. and Marci S. Lindsay (8) Letter from County Attorney White regarding Conditional Zoning Agreement for the south wastewater treatment plant. ,I ~ (9) Letters concerning the Neighborhood Open Space ordinances from: (a) Executive Officer of the Home Builders Association lb) Harvey Wehde (c) Bruce R. Glasgow 00~ Memoranda from the Traffic Engineer regarding: (al Stop sign installation in the Near Northside Neighborhood. (b) Stop sign installation in the Teg/Aber Neighborhood. lcl Stop sign installation in the Creekside Neighborhood. (dl No parking anytime on Westside Drive. leI Time limit for parking meters on the north side of 300 Court Street. (f) No parking between signs in the 400 block of South Linn Street. .., (:1, . " 0 ~', , , ----'~ --",I , ' ~' ",'., ~-<' ",)-':,',"'"'' 0,',' :':1' ",'- :,:., , ":... ' )?:'-" ~::. .;. '''',,1..'. "'(',,'> "IT '" :/ ~ t<. .... to, ,i~~ :,i" ( ." c'- \ v:\ ',;-, , I , , I : I ; , I , I ~ I , I \ ~' ~j "',','1,,( ~': !(~' '1, i', l , \r'~~~' ,'"i ~ . '~f: ' , . ',~ t, ~ , ,:', , -. '..___' ,;:. ;'...:.;.",_.;.'.-_~ 'A~ :",-"; ;:,,: ,,;,::,_ " ,,' .~:. ,; ',; ~','.~,:.~,. :,"..: ,,;,:;,_, ::,;,< ';:;'::':~':'_U:,:,., ...::,,' _: ::_'..','.<.. Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting October 25, 1994 Page 7 h. Applications for Use of Streets and Public Grounds. (11 Application from Marcia Klingaman for permission to use a portion of the 700 block of Rundell Street for a block party on October 9, 1994. (approvedl i. Applications for City Plaza Use Permits. (1) Application from Iowa Socialist Workers Campaign to set up a table for the purpose of distributing campaign literature on October 19, 1994. (approvedl ~~~J/7~ ..da ~/tr~.) END OF CONSENT CALENDAR '. ~~ , Itddr ~ aD ,,~ /kIUtI'{ ~ ad4e1t/ T " ~., .' ,,,,' ... ITEM NO.5- PUBLIC DISCUSSION (ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA). ,k ;k/ ITEM NO.6. PLANNING AND ZONING MATTERS. ~ f1t M1ntV a. Consider setting a public hearing for November 8, 1994, on an amend- ment to City Code Section 14-6E-2, Neighborhood Commercial Zone (CN-11, to allow restaurants as provisional uses or by special exception with specific restrictions, and car washes by special exception with specific restrictions. Comment: At its October 6, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning Commission, by a vote of 4-0, recommended that in the CN-1 zone: 11 dwelling units continue to be permitted by special exception, 2) restaurant uses of 2,500 square feet or less be permitted as provisional uses, 31 restaurant uses of more than 2,500 square feet be permitted only by special exception, 41 in no case would restaurant floor area usage exceed 20 percent of the total commercial floor area within a CN- 1 zone, and 5) car washes be permitted by special exception, provided the car wash is restricted to one bay and is an accessory use to a filling station. The Commission's recommendation is consistent with the staff recommendation. Action: 1~/ o&~v1 ,h/ ~tlaJ ".=-- ,~ . -~ P" ..., =:.~r'" 0):.,: '" IG ,I ;. '~, 10, ""'",,''' ",-,.'," ;m"imj'::" " + ,'. .!l",....., . ,"-,' 'y" ,',..:-. , ,:t , '."\ ;.....-'.;' " ':':t;,\l.j '\,' , , . .~.... .; l '. f" \~ ;:';,' ~~',;:;:.\ ,:,', '~';'~': ,,'I.: :.L": ~;'.-::::~; . ~ ',~'.; ;, #4 page 1 Horow/ (#4) Moved by Nov, seconded by Throg. Discussion. Throg/ Sue, it might be worth noting that item d.l would set a p.h. for the proposed rate increase for water and wastewater rates. Horow/ On November 8 we are having a p.h. on the proposed rate increase on water and wastewater fees. Thank you, Jim. Any other discussion. Roll call- (yes). Okay. I Q ,.! I i? : i I' I I I I I I \ I ~. "J , I FI02594 ;;1." .' IT, " \L-~~ ... ~: .. "'" .., , - I R 1""..','"."....'.., · ;','0:,' :::).~:."\ ~:---=- ,., .:, .. , ,.:,-;.:~;,.._- ~,~, 51'; d, ., 1-, . ~tJf',~~' " .- ~". .' . "~t ~,' 'j' , " ',,' . " ~ " f" . ., ',- ..,....:",'. .,,~ '.0, ,,;:',..:,,;' - '; __,:.,,,, . ".-,-:';..,.1," " .'.1,,;"... 'I,:' :',"','_.. #5 page 1 Horow/ (#5) Public Discussion Renee Paine/ 4347 River Bend Road here in Iowa city. speaking as the Director of Public Access Television tonight I just wanted to announce our new staff assisted series program which are now in production over Public Access Television. They will be-we have five and I will just quickly say what those are and give a one line description. We will be doing a show called Adopt A Pet. It is an update of pets available for adoption at the Coralville Iowa city Animal Shelter. Another show is called It Is News To Us which will be a local news and events show. Tom's Guitar Show, a how to play guitar show, featuring our own Tom Nothnagle. The other species which will be a program dealing with stories and articles regarding animals. And the Sanders Group back in all of its glory which is a free wheeling discussion of current issues hosted by Gary Sanders., Those are the five and look for them on Channel 2 probably around mid-November. Also our annual meeting is coming up, November 17. And that will be at 6:30. It will last until about 9:00. It will be in Meeting Room A at the Iowa city Public Library. The public is more than welcome to attend. There will be food there. Also among the other festivities there will be an election of one the membership of the Public Access Television Board of Directors. So if you are interested in being on the Board. Please attend that meeting. If you won I t be able to attend there is a way to have a petition filled out and possible get on it that way. Also the final thing is our programming and other information about Public Access Television is now available on Panda for all of those-for those of you who are now on the information super highway. So you can access our weekly programming schedule and other information via Panda. Are there any questions. o - \ Horow/ Thank you Renee. Ron Vogel/ Last Monday I read the report on pesticides and drinking water written by the environmental working group and Physicians For Social Responsibility. Then I read the newspaper articles about it and they completely missed the point and that is one of the things that I would like to mention here. But first I would encourage you to read the report. If you do I think there would be four things that you would insist on finding out about the local water plant and the water in the Iowa river. The first one is when is the water plant sampled. There was discussion in the report on the periodic variation of these levels of pesticides in the water and the rivers and you could do this by simply looking at the dates on the samples for the last two years, for instance. The implication in this report is that some water plans intentionally or otherwise miss the peaks of pesticides in the water. Second one is how much of these pesticides does '. ~ I \ \, F102594 fl 'r-~~- ._'., ..... '. P' ~.., ~ - ,.' 0_)';, 1/5 ' 10. '~'I~Ji " \ ~ . , , '~r\\'I"i, . " ~ ...... f" . ,'....,1'..' - ' ~?l' #5 page 2 ., the water plant remove. There is a discussion in this report about different technologies for water treatment and how many pesticides they remove. The third one is there was an independent study done last year on several of these same pesticides by Roger Gopul in the Geography Department and it such be possible to compare the results of that research with what is in the report and with the water plant's own samples to try to sort some of this out. The fourth one is we know there are other chemicals in the water. We tested for some of these ourselves. There are other agricultural chemicals. There are also the inerts in, the pesticide formulations which can be just as dangerous as the so called active ingredients and their are lawn pesticides in the river. We know that. And a more appropriate question and what they addresses is what would be the total cancer risk if all of these chemicals were taken into account and not just a five they specifically measured and were concentrated on. Now these questions probably wouldn't occur to you if you just read the articles that were published in the local newspaper. The local newspaper is not doing an adequate job of covering health issues. After testing, this is what I mentioned by this report by the environmental working group is one example. There are several others in the last year or so. After our testing of Ralston Creek for pesticides last spring and which we found a number of them, we submitted an article to the paper with the results and they refused to publish it. Last spring a so try on the connection between the pesticides and breast cancer was in most of the other papers but not the local paper. Three weeks ago there was a regional conference here at the University entitles The Media's Role in Communicating Health Issues. The local newspaper didn't even send a representative. But the worst example was probably the one a couple weeks ago, the article on grub worms. This article was like an advertisement for the lawn chemical industry in promoting the use of diazanon. Diazanon is one of the most dangerous of all the lawn pesticides but this article contained no warnings. It mentioned no health hazards. Over the last seven years while I have been associated with the urban Pesticide committee with EA we've received hundreds of phone calls and letters from people who have suffered various health problems due to pesticides. I know of several people who have been permanently disabled because of exposure to diazanon. The environmental affects are even more severe. Diazanon is rated by the EPA as very highly toxic to fish and birds. Its use is not allowed on golf courses or sod farms because it kills so many birds. It has been found in over 30% of the water supplies in this country. My point is read the original material. Last year during the debate on the pesticide ordinance I asked you to read journal article. No one did. One council member made the statement that he hadn't [) I C -.j \ .~ /'.,1 , , , : ! , I I~':'J I' , , , , , ~ I ,J .~~ {;I'I '> F102594 ;'~:~~~,I; I. i.} ,~' " "'i'. l..~... )'. ~~ ~O, L-~ r',:" . -'11'" - -=- I ' ' . 0 0 .II) >"_ __~L .' ..... .... ,,1~j: ('- ~\ \ \ \ I \\ ,A:llIl: ',.~~ : I' 1, ! I , /" I I , , , i ". I ,1{,': I I () I, I; i I I ~~'~,j " , , l YI{~" 'fl:' ~.>>~ ' '~l"/~"" " U\~ ~. ~',,:~ -,~ c- . I., _~. . , .~ . . ". , ..~ ( . \ 1 ' , ., , " .. ,..,1 ~ -, . ""'.'.' #5 page 3 heard from his friends yet. If you want the answer to a scientific question you can't rely on opinion and the local newspaper doesn't report it. Please read the original reports starting with the recent one on drinking water. Thank you. Throg/ Ron, could you get us a copy of the report. Vogel/ certainly. Throg/ Please do. Vogel/ Do you want one in a packet or do you want one personally. Throg/ I would like to have one personally but I don't want to make you copy a whole bunch of stuff. Vogel/ I will get one for you. Douglas Jones/ 816 Park Road and I would also like to comment on the report that came out last week. I read the report. I was there at the press conference and I watched the media coverage of the environmental working group report in the days that followed and I was also disappointed by the coverage. It is not just the Press citizen. The D.I.'s coverage was fairly confused and the local t.v. stations were fairly confused. The report is available from ICAN. ICAN held the local press conference as other local representative for the group that did it and it is a good report. In general I was extremely impressed with the report. I felt that the one thing that it didn't do very well was look at economic incentives that would be available instead of regulatory approached for solving the problems. Looking at Iowa city' Water Department, both the response of the Water Department to the report and more importantly the response of the water Department to the problems with our water, I am quite impressed. We could do better. We are planning to do better with a new water plant. But if I compare the response of our Water department with the media reports of the response of the Cedar Rapids Water Department and of the University Water Department what I see is a tremendous contrast. The representatives quoted in the media of the Cedar Rapids Water Department gave a major denial that there was a problem. our water is safe. There is no problem. The public need not be alarmed. And the same response is what the university Water Department. Instead when I look at the response that I have seem from Iowa city's Water Department I have seen a balance of yes there is a problem, it is a problem that we have to deal with seriously and it is a major justification for our proposed water treatment plant. But also, in general, the water is pretty safe. That is true. Looking at the statistics in the report F102594 - ~ ' ,'1_ ----. .- ~V~-~ 0 '),., f" , .:,-,_.(. I/j 10, " ;- i JI.':N::1 . ~~ \, \i' " . .>, . ~ ..)', ,'~,:,;. ::,J" "._'"." #5 page 4 r that came out for the safety of the water I conclude that the health risks posed by regularly drinking Iowa city water are probably significantly less than the health risks of driving without a seat belt. If I drove regularly without a seat belt and acted unconcerned about those risks you would consider me foolish. If everyone drove that way as we all drink that way these days we would expect as a society to pay a fairly high price for the impact of that collectively foolishness. I suspect as a society today we are paying a fairly high price for the impact of our failure to take appropriate steps to treat our water and to preserve its safety by preventing things from getting into it which ought not be there. But at the same time each of us individually were are not terribly threatened. In the 1950's we weren't terribly threatened individually with our failure to wear seat belts. They weren't available. I remember that era. with that said though I think we are facing a significant problem. iowa city's Water Treatment Plant does indeed take action that does reduce the concentration of the pesticides in our water. We use activated charcoal in one of the less cost effective approaches that we can only afford to do during periods of peak toxicity. We use dilution with fossil water which we can pump I don't know for how many years before we no longer have fossil water available. This is water that got into the ground before pesticide use was popular. So we dilute the problem and we filter it some what. The new water treatment plant that is proposed would do considerably better because it would have essentially the full technology recommended by the environment working group report. As the best that a city can expect to do treating the water on its way out of the river. There is not much that the city can do as a city to deal with the root source of the problem and that is what goes into the water upstream. We can do something responsible for those who are drinking water downstream all the way to New Orleans and that is to attempt to reduce the run off of pesticides for our own territory. But all and all I have to say that I am just extremely impressed with the quality of the people we have working in our water plant. I believe that they understand the problem in as much they are in a position to deal with it and if we give them the resources as planned I believed we will do about as well as the city can hope to do. .;J r,:J I I ! I : ( ~, ., J ~~ Horow/ Thanks Doug. Carol Godiksen/ I represent the Homebuilders's Association of Iowa city. I am their executive offi.cer. This is a new position for the association. Our purpose is to work proactively with the city council, the city government especially on issues important not only to the builders but to the residents of Iowa city. I would like to comment on the Neighborhood Open F102594 ..~ .... - - o )" -,,')' :(--;~--- f" '. r ! Q) j H' I....) ~.[l ,~'IDf. \', ~ . "'> ,'!'W:, '. , ,.' '...'1 ~ '.,..'. ot" . ':: .,:"i'~;,~_C,:'-.:~-~:.,._'_ \:::.~:',~',':. ,>,';,,,'-, , #5 page 5 . C Space ordinances which are agenda items Ge. & f. If there is planned discussion on this issue I would wait until the appropriate item on the agenda to make such comments. Horowl This is as good as time as any. We have not p.h. on that. GOdiksenl Okay. Fine. When I began work last Monday the Board requested that I research Iowa city's proposed Neighborhood Open Space Ordinance. Much has been nationally as we all are aware of on this issue and I contacted the National Association of Homebuilders for input. I included a copy of the September 8 and September 9 drafts and they were sent to the Regulatory Affairs department of the Association. This morning I received a letter and supporting information regarding the preliminary research done at National. This information should be carefully considered before final ordinances are passed by the council. My detailed report, including this information, will be provided to the city council through the city manager's office before the end of the week. I would be happy to provide any additional copies to specific city departments if they would request them. As noted in the agenda I submitted a letter to the council requesting a two week delay before first consideration would be given. Mr. Atkins advised me this morning that during your work session last evening you denied the request. Horowl We did because, as you realize, we have three hearings. Godiksenl I, therefore, respectively request that the council not waive the three separate considerations of these ordinances to allow time for the council's review of the information that has been obtained through the National Homebuilders's Association. o '. f,d Horowl Okay. Godiksenl Thank you for your interest and allowing me to speak and I look forward to working with the council. Horowl Thank you. Throgl You are welcome and we look forward to working with you, too. ~ Pigottl I look forward to getting the information. GentrYI Could I have a copy since I am the City Attorney and I think you are probably challenging the legality of it. Godiksenl you may want some of the other pieces. They are about , ( F102594 ~1 .,I,,:! r~ " IJ' ... -". '0-). \ ,. I ',I ,,",, [JJ If \...J ' (=- . - " _.._~.- ' ,- .' " \";, ,?m~d, , , . ~t \ " . ,~,' ~ . , ~'" . ,.-~::. ,::., ,. ,,','...,,'u '. ',~' ..,..>,..."... ;." -_' '^"l,,~. #5 page 6 that thick. I will be glad to give it to you, Linda. Nov/ Also our Planning Department has many ordinances from various parts of the country if you wanted to see what other communities are doing. They would be happy to let you read those. Godickson/ Thank you very much. Thank you. Horow/ Anybody else care to address council. John Balmer/ Thank you Madam Mayor and members of the council. I reside at 10 Princeton Court. Just a couple of items that I wish to discuss with the council this evening. I know you have a rather lengthy agenda and I will certainly keep my comments short. Horow/ Could you please sign in sir. ....-..-" " ( ,.,\ .,-.~:.l [\), ,~j (,.,;7._ , ' II, ... ,: \ . I ' , II , It.:, : I : I I I I I I ' ' I .' I 1\ i I ~> i I! ., .. I : I J , .,..; ~~,..../ Balmer/ I will be happy to. Just in case you don't know. Several items. In recent newspaper articles relating to the Crime Bill enacted by the federal government it was noted that the city of Iowa city was the likely recipient of significant sums of money. I guess my question to you would be and a note of caution. I know you have talked about this but before the council would rush head long to accept this money I would hope that you would very carefully consider the ramifications thereof knowing full well that that money is not going to be available after the first year I am sure. And I don't know what the council has directed staff to do at this point but I certainly hope you would be considering that in that vein also. Secondly your most recent discussion relative to volume based garbage rate increases and the likelihood that this is going to ensue I would hope that you would look at all factors in this particular arena. I am speaking from a personal point of view with a what I consider a large family. One that generates a significant amount of solid waste. I think it would be patently unfair to single out those families that unfortunately and not by necessity just by the virtue of our size would generate a significant amount of solid waste. We do our best to recycle. We certainly try our hardest in that endeavor. I would hope that you are looking at all alternatives because as you well know the residences of Iowa city only contribute I think less than 15% to the landfill. Now I think you need to look at the overall area when you are considering this. I think you are unfairly potentiallY singling out the residences of the community that quite frankly we are paying for it now and we shouldn't have to unduly accept larger increases in the future. I realize you have regulations and you have timetables to meet but I think , ' :\~!Il{~' ;i~&W, 'h] :'IW,t.;;" L_~c. F102594 C-;'_~~~_~ -~._.. 1 o ~YT ,"' -'" r I D " T " I:;. ; , "', \," ~ 'I[J }K~i~)j , r .h, c \ 'I \ ~ , , ' ~ I: i , r i i:' ! l ' ~~ ! i ;~~i' ~~ ~ '~,':! ~~'. },'iJ.v ",,~ " .~ {(-"o 'L~,~__. . " i , .' . ': :'.~t\~'r,,~ " .. , f" : ,..".': .;:';' .'; ~.:~,l .,":' ,;::. _.,... ". " -,.'"",,;,...;.:',_.:::C #5 page 7 there are other ways to do it than unfairly tag us with more costs. And that is just for your thought in the future. I know you will be having a p.h. soon on the water and sewer rate increase. I guess one question I would have preliminarily to that is with the wastewater changes and the new regulations that are coming down after all that was done to improve and build the new plant I think the people should know what the government is demanding of us here locally. I think you are unfairly taking some discussion, some criticism just because there are new rules and regulations being promulgated from Washington quite honestly that many of us don't understand and I think should be explained to the public and really is there anyway that you as elected policy makers can challenge some of those regulations that frankly are being written by non elected individuals in Washington. Horow/ Well, there are-we belong as you know to the National League of cities and I sit on the Energy, Environmental and Natural Resources Policy committee and the aspects of national application of standards that in some areas of the country are not applicable. This is being questioned. But as you also know these standards have been written because Congress has passed the laws and that has come from people asking them to pass the laws. So it is a matter of us having to meet standards of purification for wastewater discharge that other places they have more problems. We don't. We still have to pay the tune. Balmer/ I think what is unfortunate, Madam Mayor, is this community exacted a large amount of money to what we thought to upgrade to the standards that were requested. And now coming in again with another level. I think that is the thing that I think are most troublesome and that is just for your information. Before I sit down I do want to compliment the city staff and specifically the Solid Waste Department. I think they run an outstanding program and I think it is one of the best around as far as collection and people that do it. I think those people should be complimented. I think you run a fabulous service. That is one area of government that really does work. Thank you. Pigott. Sue, could I just mention something. Mr. Balmer, it is regarding the solid waste issue. We talked in the session that we had regarding that issue about the process and it is important to let you know and the rest of the community too that the process isn't finished and we are in the process of the staff going through and sorting out the details as to the collection, the sort of rates and that once we put a package together we hope to go out in the community and solicit the various sorts of opinion that you have expressed tonight and F102594 ,., r ~ ~ -,-- - - , ' " 0-- ']f,:" ' . I 10"" . r: ,,~ ! ,.; ,." ',1, ?Vi)',l ',"\ , '.'~t~ ~'I ; ~ ','1, .- . " , ...., f" . . 'p ,:;;'.:' ':>~,., ',;'.' ,J ..,'~ '.',: '. '. -',,", ,<,,;'..'. ..,.", '.~ , .',;".,,"h '- ~ #5 page 8 adjust or change the program based on what we have gotten. And then in addition to that hold a p.h. to hear more from the public as to the benefits or drawbacks. SO I appreciate your input and hope to receive more of it as we get the plan together in the future. Balmer/ I appreciate that. I think that is comforting to hear that there will be further dialogue. I want to make one additional point. I appreciate the leaf pickup. I think all the community does. I want to make one suggestion. Maybe that you do it once or twice in the spring also. Throg/ Sue, I would like to say something else. John, I would like to say one other point about the garbage program that we have tentatively decided to adopt. It is not simply that we would reduce the amount of garbage that we would pick up. In other words only have two cans that we would pickup and have a sticker for the remainder. We are also planning to have curbside-weekly curbside pickup of recyclables material and providing a can that would cost $.20 a month for people. So there is a great opportunity to recycle and reduce waste in the first place and the other cans could be used to dispose the other garbage. CI <:;;J Horow/ Mr. Glasgow. Bruce Glasgow/ This is appropriate, John talking about the feds. Telling us what do to and how to do it and not send us any money. This is National Federal Mandate without Funding Week. Why didn't we- \ Horow/ Because this council took this under consideration and felt essentially that we didn't want to continue to bellyache about unfunded mandates. We would prefer to work with the state and with the feds doing our best as we can with what we can do. It could be worse. In other words we took it under consideration and didn't see that it was that difficult. Now some of us might differ with that but- Glasgow/ I wanted to talk to you tonight about the proposed water works site plant and so forth which is north of I-80 at the KXIC towers. If I could save you $30 million on that site would you give me six minutes to talk about it. r ,;Jl ",,'J< , I Horow/ You have already used three. You had better talk fast. Glasgo\~/ It is $15 million a minute now. All over the united States cities are getting their water from reservoirs. Down in Texas it is nothing for them to run a pipeline 50-100 miles in order to get water from a reservoir. Even though they , . ~ I' , , ! I , I \ ,,~ \'~ F102594 . ;~; " ~t ;'~ ~ :~ t~~ - . - : :.- '"""- - )~ i ~ 0, 'I, _ 0 0, ..~ .,~ ',,' ~ " . l~ ~ ' .,\ \~l.. . ':'_'1,,' . ,". , .' ;1~' ," . .':' '. .~".. J'" . . , ' .,.- " ....-...,.....,"' . :;, , .,.'.:.....,.,..',.C.',...,.'.... .",..J.'.',,,, '.'," ,;:,-,;,'-';.--;',:-",-, " #5 page 9 . cross rivers and so forth to get it. The city of Galesburg, Illinois goes 50 miles out to the Mississippi to get their water. The state of purifying water from whatever source is unsurpassed at this time. The University of Iowa can give you all the information you need on that process. The nearest reservoir to Iowa city is the Coralville Reservoir, three miles from Iowa city. I am attaching a list of savings the citizens of Iowa city would gain by moving this water plant from 1-80 on Dubuque street up to the Coralville reservoir. And in the minutes I have left I can only give you a few of them. So first of all the cost of the land and the lease costs-you have a sand plant out there with leases going back for nine more years. That is going to be costly. We can save a lot of money there. We can eliminate the purchase and repair of the Coralville Power Plant Dam. The city is going to buy that dam for $1.00 but I predict that it is going to cost us more than $2 million to replace that dam and it is required because we have to keep the water level high enough for the new water plant. We have to take 3 24 inch water mains underneath four existing Great Lakes Pipeline-Williams Brothers Pipelines. I tangled with Williamsburg one time about 12 years ago and they wanted $50,000 to lower a pipe across Tanglewood Lane. Mr. Baker would understand that. Now we have to go underneath four of them. Four pipelines and take three pipes, 24 inches in circumference underneath that. That is going to cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $250,000 if my $50,000 estimate is correct. We can eliminate about 5,000 feet of this 24 inch water main if we come from the Coralville Reservoir rather than from this area, the KXIC area. And what will it cost me by destroying all of the wells north of Iowa city. I estimate that at about $500,000. If we can eliminate the cost of one Jordan well and all the unknown other wells that are suppose to be drilled out at the KXIC Tower site I think we can save one half million dollars. Jordan Well in North Liberty cost $275,000. That is just one well. If we can reduce the purification process to just one source of water. Now out there at the KXIC Tower site we have two processes, one for Jordan and one for river water. If we can go out to the Coraville Dam and eliminate that one water source that has to have a separate process. $5 million in savings. And you can eliminate the sanitary sewer from Foster Road clear out to KXIC Towers. I am not guessing at this figure because I have got it, $1 million. So, cost savings there I estimate to be somewhere around $24,000. Horow/ Mr. Glasgow your time is up. Glasgow/ Is my time up. Okay. Can I talk about something else. Horow/ If you sit down and start up again after somebody else. i b ~- I' ..~ C-~ll \ \ .>..1ll ';'-1"'" Il' ' , ! , I I i i : I 'I ! I I~~' " I ( ~~ . ,': F102594 'I'" "", ~ II; ~l '\, (;;l~' .~, :, ..~ \' I ' I:,) , g [1 ,~ -- n.~,~ . - 1 ~ o -),.. ~CO' '\" ~._,._--------~, - ,:;mci '-j , . .,~ . '\1.1 '. i, ~ f" , .,1"., . '.~. I ., ,_'_,. " , (''I' frf , #5 page 10 Glasgow/ I wouldn't give you- f,~ Horow/ Thank you very much. Anybody else care to address council. Any issues that are not already on the agenda. Baker/ Could we go ahead and accept the correspondence. Horow/ Moved by Baker, seconded by Pigott to accept correspondence from Mr. Glasgow. Any discussion. All those in favor signify by saying aye (ayes). Thank you. Dick Dolezal/ I live at 1111 Marcy, Iowa city. A little rebuttal for Mr. Glasgow. I noticed in the paper a week ago that Iowa City was on the lower end of the graph. They were showing towns that had pesticides and herbicides in their water. sigourney, Cedar Rapids were all way higher than us but yet we had the most antiquated water plant and I thought about it awhile and I think it is the reservoir where it is all sitting so I don't know if that is such a good idea or not. I am here tonight because I am concerned about the cost that you people are incurring for citiZens of Iowa city who aren't in the weal th category that some of the higher paid doctors and professors over at the University are. The people that are blue collar and had to earn their money, maybe people on retirement. I noticed in my property tax the last several years historically the schools has always been the biggest bite out of your property tax. I notice the county and schools are now under Iowa city. The county hasn't increased for the last year more than $2-3 for my property tax but the city of Iowa city just keeps going up and up. You keep going up and up on the water plant, the sewer plant, the garbage collection and where is it going to stop. I mean this is a-I seen one of the councilman had it in the paper last week that he was in favor of water-using the water rates to conserve water. That relates to me more increase in the water cost. Is that right Mr. Throg. Throg/ Depends on how it works out but what I am trying to get at with regard to that has to do with the multiplication of water consumption times the rate that we pay. If the rate goes up and if you can reduce your own personal consumption then the bill that you will have to pay will be lower than what it would otherwise be. But there is another point that you're tying to make and that is if everyone conserves water than we still have to pay for the plant and the overall rates will have to go up so my point has to do with people who somehow don't have the opportunity to use water more efficiently because of their fixed income or because they're low income or because they're renters and what I want to do is find a way to help them keep their bills from going up as much as they're going to go up. 10 " i ;-.. >. "j ~'.': i1 I , F102594 'G~--- ~, '^ 'l'''' - "lIrI --, o )\.'," ~ I /5 ~IJ ::}~,i7~~ ,r ( \ ';,~ C : , \. r~ , '"i--, r i I" : , !~','. ::-~"-," " j ~"{v~; j',{':),' l ' ~ ) )''>;~~' ""I".f , "...,r , I '--.' ,(~'"'~_. , , ':r',\i ~ . .. ~ -, :~ '. #5 page 11 Dolezal! I certainly hope that you believe what you're saying but I don't believe it. I see what you're saying is we'll increase their water rates. Therefore people who don't have the funds to pay for it will use less. That's how it relates to me. Another item that I take issue with is the recycling effort. I read in the paper if I'm not correct that you're going to provide everybody in Iowa city with a trash container. The people who believe in recycling are have already gone out and purchased a container and they're already recycling. Horow! That's perfectly all right. If they have them they may use them again. Dolezal! If you use the one you have. Pigott! That's correct. Dolezal! What's it going to reduce my cost. Horow! By $12 and whatever the amount of money it costs. Dolezal! Then there's some mention in there of you expect to see a reduce in the refuse collection with an increase in the recycle collection. If that is the case then I assume our recycle fees will go up because our collection fees won't go down. If there is an increase in the recycling I aspect then that you are going to be charging more. You definitely going to charge more for the containers we are going to purchase. There has to be an end in sight somewhere. I mean that is very questionable what I am saying. We purchased a $90,000 telephone system for this building. Mr. Atkins told me it was the state of the art when I questioned him on it. For who does it help. It doesn't help me when I call down here at 356-5000 the operator can't hook me to the person I ask to talk to. I have to go through a rigamaroll pressing 1 or pressing 2 or pressing 3 and when I get that person they are not there I press 816 to talk to somebody. The other day I called over to Karin Franklin's place and it rang five minutes and for every 20 seconds it came on we are busy now we will get to as soon as we could and it went for five minutes and then it rang for two consecutive minutes and recycled and started ringing again. When I questioned the purpose who answered the phone they said they had nobody assigned to answer the phone during the noon hour. I don't know what that saved me with. It might have saved the city a lot of money. Why do you constantly or why does the newspaper and you people have to quote it because they are quoting you constantly tell us what our rate increase on our water bills and sewer bills will be in an monthly and our bill comes out as a to month bill. If you would double that figure I am sure you would have people down here pounding F102594 - ,,- - '- J" 'T , ~o ~ ,.' . - r I ! 10 : ,,' ~ " >.; il ~ lJ, :m:I:n' ;: ( ~ , \ \ .~ rc!.;(, ~ I I I' . ! , I : I i I , ' i i IQ; I I \ ~~l J ~ ,( 0 ., \,"', ' "~~:~'I : .>, ,"I, . ',' ~ ", . _1_ ;:,t: ::,',;';'::.;'~: :,:~,"::; , ,-,..,,;, .,;" '-",~':", ,.--,.':.,.".,.,.:-,'.',. #5 page 12 their hands on the counter telling you to cut it out. Horow/ We talked about whether or not it would be better to have it monthly rather than bi-monthly. Some people would prefer- Dolezal/ What you are telling me you are going to do is then increase the cost of it by going to a single monthly billing because we can't afford to pay two month bill when you get done with this. I got it figured out my bill will be $190 January 1, 1996. That is what it is going to be if I have figured it correctly. Another gentleman back here in the audience estimated his was $189. So we are not too far off. I figured there is going to be at least $8.00 a month in recycling because I am going to have to pay $1.00 a month more for a bag. I mean a $1. 00 per week more for a bag which relates to $8.00. So I just-I am frustrated at this point. I don't know where it is going to end. I think you are going to drive us people out of the city. I see in the paper the Chief of Police is talking 8 new officers, not you people yet. But do we need 8 new officers and what criteria did he use to determine that we needed 8 new officers. Only because the money was available so he took it. We are paying for it either way out of either pocket. I would hope that you would consider a lesser amount of officers because I don't think we have a crime \~ave in Iowa city that I have seem lately. As in understand now that police operation would be worth roughly $1 million after four years increase in our taxes. I talked to the city finance man the other day. He said I was a little off but he indicated by I was too far off. I figure we have to buy uniforms. We got to pay workmen I s comp. You got to do all these other figures, not just the cost of the officers. So you are talking a lot of money. One other thing that I want to talk about is the water plant we are talking about building. After our little fiasco down here where we are paying for it twice I would certainly hope because it has been mentioned before that you people would take this pesticide and herbicide issue into account because as I read the paper correctly that is not planned to be treatable in this present plant. Throg/ Wrong. It will be treatable. It is going to be a fine plant. Dolezal/ Well, I don't think we need bicycle paths. I don't think we need a castle for a sewage plant that is going to be so many floors in the air. CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 94~123 SIDE 1 Dolezal/ I don't think we need art. And I saw Mr. Atkins said in the newspaper he was quoted as saying there was art works for the city budgeted in that sewage plant. I think the cost of F102594 .. ~_. o oJ:' .... ~ .-t~ f" .", :'-\:''':':;'' o '. ~, "1 I ' '1:.. .' ,) 0, .' " , i , , :' ,~~ \\' , " ''- . . ~' ,lmm ~ . , '.... . _41-..:~ . ..~.~ ,..,'" ,...'~". "",L',,;,., '. '. ,','" ,..', ,,"~'. #5 page 13 . . ,~ I, ,.;\ \ r::7d , I', the sewage plant-the water plant. Excuse me I keep saying sewage plant. The cost of the water plant should be exactly what we need to get the water because it is essential service. We don't need art work for the people who can't afford it. We don't need the bike paths. If you are going to have them, have them paid for from some other source and not from the tax dollar. Thank you. Pigott/ Could I say something. Horow/ No. Does anybody else wish to address council. Doug Jones/ One small issue brought up by Mr. Glasgow's comment about the old Coralville Mill Dam. I have been trying to get somebody to pay attention to that dam for years on a low key basis. This summer I decided to canoe up there again and poke around and see how it stood up to the flood and what I discovered is of some concern. That dam needs someone to pay attention to it. Somebody has to rehab that dam. It is going to be either Johnson county who owns it now or the city who I believe ought to own it. We the taxpayers are going to pay the , price of repairing it or demolishing it one way or the other and I would rather see it repaired because I believe it is an asset to the community as a dam. Right now the east end of the main dam has a large crack in it that is leaking water at high pressure around the dam foundation and through the dam and not over the dam where the water belongs. Right now the emergency flood spillway of that dam is undercut in some places as much as half of the width of the concrete by the turbulence of he flood. That dam needs attention and I urge the city of Iowa city to take the initiative, get that dam and fix it before it collapses and becomes such a liability that we have to demolish it. I think demolishing it would be a disservice to the community, to history and to the scenery of the river. Horow/ Thank you. Anyone else care to address council. " Jerry Arganbright/ principal at West High and just a point of clarification. I didn't know if the council is going to be dealing with the topic I read in the Press citizen late this evening. I I Horow/ Under council time. If you would stay we would certainly appreciate any input that you wish to make. Thank you. Anna Buss/ 525 West Benton. Just two more points about your water and your sewer rate increase. As a property manager in Iowa city one of the constant complaints I get is that the fact that the rent is high and one of the problems that Iowa city has been trying to address is affordable housing which in Iowa , ! , I : f' I I',. t I , ' , ~~ )~!.~ ~ F102594 (- .- )., -~~---- 'Q' 1 I""" - ): 0 (1" ~~i1- " o , 'I R ijO, I . r . ,) .' .i1fl2iri' ;. i , , . , ",~t \ \' ' , .. '., . \~, ~ '-. f" , . ''-_. ,I. .; .. , ^< .' ., '_..c, ,':~"__-. ..,... ."." ,.'.' .-..", .~! :..~,,', -:; ,':', ,"~ '- ~ -,.. '";~ .-: '," f #5 page 14 city is becoming non-existent entity. Every time the city increases rates these rates are passed on to the tenants who are renting. Every tenant that-anyone in Iowa city who rents from someone ought to be down here complaining because that goes right back to their rent. A lot of the older buildings are plumbed in such a fashion that the owners receive the rate, the water bill, and it is not divided amongst tenants. So there is no way for us, as any property managers or owners, to reflect that back on who is and who is not conserving water. There is just no way to do it. When you talk about and the one gentleman addressed this a $10.00 or $22.00 increase in your bill per month. For some of the people in Iowa City who cannot afford it-By the time it gets to a $22.00 a month increase, that is $44.00 above what they are paying right now and that is only for water. That doesn't include the sewer increase. And that is on a bill that is an average bill of $23.00. Now that is really not too bad until you start receiving a bill that is $300-400 and higher. Now when you start talking about your rate increases of 35%-40%, add that on to those and then you are going to see some rent increases along with the property tax increases. The tenants pay for this. The owners cant afford to pay for that. Along with that-one other item that has been coming up is the trash collection at the multi family dwelling unit. And I urge you to please consider that a lot of the apartment persons are for this. There are probably some that are not. But a lot of the ones that I work with are willing to work with the city if they could just come together on what they are going to do. Thank you for your time. r( , '~ """"", :::-. "-';'~~ ! I ' r~ I , i : I ) Throg/ We want to do that with regard to the garbage collection and we have asked the city manager to pursue that kind of multi family program and so expect to hear something. Buss/ And thanks for going to pick it up every week, the recyclables, because there are a lot of us who even if we have the list there can't remember if it is this week or last week. Thank you. " w Horow/ Are you talking about me, Anna. I have to ask my next door neighbor lady. Is there anyone else that cares to address council. okay. Let' close public discussion and move onto P/Z- Mr. Glasgow, all right, get away with it. , i : r, I'; Bruce Glasgow/ I tried. I am going to talk about the mandatory parks dedication ordinance. Nothing is new in Iowa city. It never has been. But it didn't get done five years ago so come around again. Just for your information I pulled out of my files a draft of a ordinance amending the subdivision Ordinance of the city of Iowa city establishing regulations II ,\ ;. \~~ , F102594 ,",':,'",'.~~: f~ ':(Vi i:,~ ~ c..----"Jl1 ~ )i I ~ .~ -- -,r - I" []. " 0 0 ,'~ < " ,'.,', ' - '~:,;::-> . J1:.~~~:' ,,' '.',.',..' . :',:,.~~'--, ' .,'."...'".' ,. '....".,. : i .. I~ C1 \~~\ \ ~ '~lO.~ /;"11 ([ I i\ I [ iQ1, II . II j 'ijI,"",;.J, \~;r ':,' 1 \>;,. :~-; ~ ' , ',[,- 0, ,\ , "'I.,~- , .' ,', ",' .. ~;.,~-" ': >r..~'V, ", " l . ~ ' . j'.' '. ~ ...., , " " .~.,. " I I I , I .,".\ . "f' J; ',!",' , #5 page 15 for open space, 1984. This is 1994. This dedication thing started in May of 1981. It was pretty hot in May of 1982. The peak during council election in March 1984. Then it went to council and was defeated in April 18, 1985. Mr. Baker was there. I thought I would just give you this information and you can add it to your packet but you have to zexox it. I don't have time. Throg/ Bruce, what is the point. Glasgow/ The point is it is word for word in 1984 as it is in 1994. Nothing is different. The only difference that I can see is that Karin Franklin is ten years older. Thank you very much. pigott/ She doesn't look it. Throg/ She is not the only one. Horow/ We are going to move on. ,I F102594 - ~~~~j:-- -- ,', ~ );;".' ...,; -';<'~~"5 ' 'I O:~ , ,~, I, '. '-",...,. ~{i~~\ .. f,: ,', _,-.,,1:'. ",',' """ ');:.'..- ;'( , I I i ~ ~~ ',. (: \ i \,' " \ i I .~. ~', "1"""," ;' i' ,;~Z" /""" ,..-1 "ll ~ : .'~ '. ,'.'.\.; " ,; '.~r~'-' /".'"".\1:1,-:,: .. " ';..'.. . ',', , ''"'l'' -"\ #6a page 1 Horow/ (#6a) Moved by Throg, seconded by Lehman. Any discussion. Throg/ I guess at the next meeting or maybe at the work session I would like Karin and the P/Z Commission probably to explain the special exception with regard to dwelling units. Like we talked about last night. Horow/ Any other discussion. All those in favor signify by saying aye (Ayes). F102594 ~ - ..-...... , '. -. ~':- : ,,],..,,',""',.,"",.,' 'J,:"',....'", .0''''',.3:, ,,:.',.,'.. '" "',"'" , , I " f" '. ",I:. ' ../ .J ;,:, I , , I "1 5::'::.;;, I I, i , I ! '. . .!' ~ 10, ',-' \-. ,'; " J~, ,~ . ~ ~~ :,\'1 ' . ..,'I, " ': l , " 'M..- f" . " "','.; ,-~- ",'.' _.. .,.._,r #6c page 1 Horow/ (#6c) Moved by Nov, seconded by Lehman. Any discussion. Nov/ Yes. I don't understand what it means. We already have it. Throg/ Right now I don't understand why we are proposing to do it. I know we haven't seen the minutes yet from the P/Z Commission. Nov/ Well, we will see it. Franklin/ The question is why are we looking at this amendment at all. We already have it. Well, we don't actually. We have restaurant drive in carry outs which are a different kind of use that allow drive up \~indows. A restaurant carry out would not necessarily-would not have a drive up kind of facility. It is more pedestrian oriented. Throg/ I am still a little confused. I know that this-the proposal would permit carry out restaurants, right. I know that there is at least one in d.t. and probably more than one already. So what is with that one restaurant. Franklin/ Well, what one are you referring to. It could either be a nonconforming use or one that I can't explain. o Throg/ I am thinking about . That is the one I know about. ., Franklin/ The reason for this is a problem came up with a proposed use d.t. It came up in terms of the enforcement of the zoning ordinance and the amount of seating that was in this particular restaurant versus the amount of production space. And that is how you distinguish between a restaurant carry out and a regular old restaurant is the amount of seating space. As we looked at this use and found that it didn't seem to be problematic and probably would be a good addition to d.t. and therefore are proposing this amendment so that it can occur. Nov/ So all of the restaurants that now allow carry out are doing this because they have lots of seating area and therefore it is okay. J J c--' \ """ (J.''';.''t , ! ' I I I' , I I i! I ~,~ II I, : I \ I ~ r:I" rii:.~', "L Franklin/ They have 50% or more of their space consumed in seating and that qualifies them as a restaurant even though you can go in and have carry out. Like the subway. Horow/ I suggest that council members get together with Ms. Franklin between now and November 8. Any further discussion. All those in favor signify by saying aye (ayes). " FI02594 (( -or, ~' - -~=- II ')~,' I I 0, 0 " r;, " 0 ...<1.",) ;',,' --..:........-.~-- -~ -- ---",.",,', , '.', , ,', ~',:, ......;;',... ' ", ~ .". '!,',:. , 01'.' ,3'.\'i,', ' " ~: ",; . " , . ',:. " ,.' "~, , " :-'~ , . :f: Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting October 25, 1994 Page 8 ..., r i b. Consider setting a public hearing for November 8, 1994 on an ordinance vacating a portion of Waterfront Drive located southeast of the CRANDIC Railroad right-of-way. &Jzw.~~ , ; , Comment: At its October 6, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning Commission, by a vote of 4-0, recommended approval of the vacation of a portion of Waterfront Drive located southeast of the CRANDIC Railroad right-of-way subject to retention of a utility easement over the sanitary sewer line located in the right-of-way, retentior) of easements over other utilities located within the right-of-way, and establishment of a temporary public access easement over the property between the eastern terminus of Stevens Drive and the northern terminus of Waterfront Drive until the time Southgate Avenue is constructed between Waterfront Drive and Gilbert Street. The Commission's recommendation is consistent with the staff recommendation. Action: &P: 17( M;/~) I c. at{ ~tP-d) I~~~~/'I' Con~ider setting a ~ublic hearing for ~ovember 8, 1994,. on amenaments-l . ,', to City Code Section 14-6B-2, Section 14-6E-8, Section 14-6E-7 and ' Section 14-6E-6 to permit restaurant carry-out uses in the CB-1 0, CB-5 and CB-2 zones. d. Comment: Tlie Planning & Zoning Commission will consider these amendments on November 3. Their recommendations should be available for the November 8, City Council meeting. Action: ~tJ / rJC;JV;)~ de/!/ Ir~ ~ Public hearing on amendments to the Zoning Ordinance, se~~~" 1, Off-Street Parking Requirements, to require parking spaces for commercial uses in the Central Business Support Zone ICB-5). , ,~. 1', t, (-<'\:' \1\ ..... ~:"i ,I' ~ I : I I I I1II : I I i I I r(! 1[1 I J ~,:~c,), \'v \ , ,;: , Comment: At its October 6, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning Commission, by a vote of 4-0, recommended amendments to the Zoning Ordinance to require parking spaces for commercial uses in the CB-5 zone at the rate of one parking space per 1200 square feet of floor area. Action: bz? mw)#~. 'C~__~___~ " ~;-{- ,0,'" 'I" "",,',, ), .,',","',..""'.,,.,.,...,.....,.,"""" , '. . ,., ,\<:,'", . \ '. .:}:\\:;" ,;"":,"",,, ;("'-:",,-:':;('~-;':: \",",'"'''''', " . L- II'. ~') ," J~ ...' It1 .~.;:..'~~::' ":,' .r-'<" I \" ...~~ . c-'\ \J" ,..i~ I I , , , , ! I : I , I u.(~ 0.-. . ,I; r, , . . ',.':~f~';'I: , ,'-'" '".:..,. '~' . ~ . ,:,' ,. '.. f" , , ' .-'11 . ,':"_~':" ,;"" J -,' :".'"~,:,, ~-;, . :..... ::' >. _.!_" :,'. ',.. ... ..'u._.",: :i-:..:.: ;, ~ '.:.: 'u c ,-,' ;,- ;"_',-' r Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting October 25, 1994 Page 9 e. Consider an ordinance amending Title 14, Chapter 6, Article J, Section 2 of the City Code of Iowa City, Iowa, entitled "Planned Development Housing Overlay Zone (OPDH)" to require dedication of land or payment of fees in lieu of land for neighborhood open space. (First consideration) f. Comment: At its September 15, 1994, meeting, by a vote of 6-0, the Planning and Zoning Commission recommended approval of the amendments to the OPDH zone section and the subdivision regulations section of the City Code, as proposed by the Neighborhood Open Space Committee in a draft dated September 9, 1994. Comments were received at the Council's October 11, 1994, public hearing on this item. ~ Aot;oo: .Q'F1:14-( /51" '-'iI it~ 5~;p, I ~>> #.:.kA/ 7A / J?AAff- -dJ ~~ I I W-tf ~ aU. II Consider an ordinance amending Title 14, Chapter 7, "Land Subdivi- ~ ~' sions,",of the City Code by adding a new article D entitled "Dedication ~~ of Land or Payment of Fees in Lieu of Land for Neighborhood Open ~\t Space." (First Consideration) Wl ~ l~fl ~ r~ ~~tdv )~Jl I' II ,11 aU.~ 1t(J ,'if,: - ([ <0. I~ I' Comment: See item above. Action: fu,t4 / 7/~ 1.J.f t-v / ~ 6' J .rl7 Y\(l1dl)ltd~ /;;~ { g. Consider an amendment to Title 14, Unified Development Code, Chapter 7, Land Subdivisions, by amending Article A of the City Code to require review and approval of the division of land prior to recording. (First consideration) Comment: At its September 15, 1994, meeting, by a vote of 6-0, the Planning and Zoning Commission recommended approval of this amendment to require any division of land (except minor boundary line adjustments) to be administratively reviewed and approved by the City prior to recording. The Commission's recommendation is consistent with the staff recommendation as stated in the staff memorandum dated September 9, 1994. No comments were received at the Council's October 11, 1994, public hearing on this item. Action: Vl !uJi.lJu J /1dlW ~ /' PtiJ,tI 6A ~/a&<Llhif KlLb6~ .~ -~T . '0 , .. '1',....." .l,',..'.,., ,,',' . .,}(':.:,: 10","'" ,.'1"",.,.,' ,) t.. , ,~ ,] JUl ~'rl~;}'J ; , '~k'l, , 'I'" , , ~ . , ~ '" . ,::<''::,''-' ,'." #6e page 1 Horow/ (#6e) Moved by pigott, seconded by Throg. Comments. Gentry/ I would suggest-were you going to talk about the DU. Go ahead. Franklin/ You have received a memo from Sarah Holecek and Melody Rockwell regarding the definition of dwelling unit. It is a consequence of some input we received from developers in the last week or so. We thought that the amendment that is before you, that is attached to the memo, is a better explanation or statement of that definition of dwelling unit. It does not change the substance of it. What it does is just more clearly states it. And so we would like to have that be part of your consideration. Do they need to make a motion to amend what is before them. Gentry/ Yes. Throg/ So moved. Horow/ So you are asking us to amend this to include the definition of dwelling unit. Gentry/ To substitute this definition on your memo from Sara and Melody for the definition in your present draft for both subdivision version and OPDH version. ,""-;--:-'" Horow/ It has been moved by Throg, seconded by pigott to accept the substitution. Any discussion about the substitution. All those in favor signify by saying aye (ayes). Now back to the main motion. r \ , :-:~ r 1 1 \ \1;, " "~ Throg/ I guess I would like to say something about the ordinances. I think in principle they are fine ordinances and at this point I am quite ready to support them with pleasure which is not to say that I want to shut the door on hearing what Carol Goddickson or anybody else has to say in public discussion over the next couple of weeks or there abouts. I guess I would also like to say that these ordinances have been in the works for about a year and they derive for the Neighborhood Open Space Plan that took two years to develop before that. So the Neighborhood Open Space and the related ordinances were initiated by previous council and the Neighborhood Open Space Plan itself was approved by the previous council and we are just following on some good work that they initiated and we need good neighborhoods and a good neighborhood isn't just a matter of housing. It is a matter of having roads. It is a matter of having water. It is a matter of having sewers. It is a matter of having good parks for children to play in without the threat of harm from cars and whatever. So I am ,....- , " 'I" !i I i I I , , , ' ': ! ,f I J',J'1 , I, 0-!<,--:J: ., ' I , ,,( , ,h<w.Wlii t;r",~I~~~ :1" ,Yflr;~{ I' \",,:1,:. ' ." -1,,1 '--, ---"-- F102594 C' .'= i _ 0 _____ ' , - - -~ -T 0):: f" " r [ '! ~ ~ ~ ~:~ ~D -,:,,';'{\, , I ;w,~.' ' , ,- ~'" p ~'-*<, I \ ~ { I ! I ~ i I , I Ir II ~j ~ I'L_o , . '; I: .,;"'. >, (~~\,~'t'll" . i-' " . ~: . " ,'..' ~ " "...... '.. " .' #6e page 2 pretty happy with it at this point. Pigott/ So am I. I think that point that I would like to make, Jim, is it is a part of the infrastructure. It should be considered part of the infrastructure and the open spaces in the neighborhood and I support the hard work that Casey Cooke and all of he other people that have devoted to it have put into it. It looks like a good ordinance. Horow/ Casey Cook. That is okay. Maybe Casey did but Naomi and I have been on this since '84 or '85. It has been a long time coming. All right. Any further discussion. Lehman/ You know we have been, over the past several years, we have had a, I think, a fairly successful effort in getting builders to contribute property for green space. And I think it has worked fairly well. One argument I haven't heard for this is perhaps those lots are worth more if they have green space around them. Now we have heard that they cost more. I think perhaps I may be able to support this by the time we read this a second or third time. At this point I am not so sure that the system is broke and if it isn I t broke maybe we really don't have to fix it. So I guess I will be voting no for the first time. Nov/ I have to understand your argument. Most developers do comply that do negotiate and they do contribute. But those that don't need to be addressed on this fashion. Horow/ okay. Any further discussion. Roll call- (Yeses, Lehman- no) . F102594 '- 1\ -- - ), ..".,7"" '\ , T '~;:L-);::>:' .: "0 '. " :l','~, /'j f" '. , I A ~ I I , ',10, . .,." ". ~\' ,I,' I ~ j r'~ \ \ " .',,5. I I I i : I I: , I i~ I i I \ 1 ~ ,I' if: {I Ii,;' I'" (, " ([ ,,'.i;."'l.:" ., ',',! , \ I I I " " ' f" P, ,""':, .,. , " , . .....~,. ....<.....!_.....'-..::~...~.-:..:.... .[.;.;:r_.'1\-l.,.~~hl2<....:.......v:""(l,:J.:~....:;.:..:,~-d~.....'~I,-.;',,,.:.{.:,_:.:.... :'t.:..\.I,,""~, ~ ~" ._ " ,: ,",,_ ..\.., _" . :.,1,; ':".',.., .~'-._.... _ L'-< .:: r Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting October 25/ 1994 Page 10 "f+~ 3bH h. Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance by changing the use regulations of a1.02 acre parcel located north of Scott Park Drive from County RS, Suburban Residential, to RS-5, Low Del)sity Single- Family Residential. (REZ94-0011l (Second considerationl Comment: At its September 1, 1994/ meeting, by a vote of 5-1, Jakobsen voting nOt the Planning and Zoning Commission recommended approval of rezoning a 1.02 acre parcel located north of Scott Park Drive from County RS to RS-5 subject to certain conditions. The Commission's recommendation is consistent with the staff recommenda- tion contained in the staff report dated August 4/ 1994. No public comments were made at the September 27/ 1994/ or October 11/ 1994, public hearings on this item. In a letter dated September 23/ 1994, John Cruise, attorney for the applicant, requested expedited consideration of this item. Action: rJ lAM!- h.ryw j~, (hUt #- '141-Ctf ~ ~I ' -J~, i. Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance to allo crematoriums as an accessory use to a funeral home. (Second consider-' ationl 'I', Comment: At its September 1/ 1994/ meeting, the Planning and Zoning Commission, by a vote of 6-0/ recommended approval of an amendment to Section 14-68-2 of the Zoning Ordinance adding a definition of a funeral home which includes crematoriums as an accessory use. The Commission's recommendation is consistent with the staff recom- mendation included in a staff memorandum dated August 26, 1994. No comments were received at the September 27/ 1994/ public hearing on this item, Action: . V /,~ I .w~w ~~~ -dd4 Ii-ho1<-t '" v, -- T ,.,'.',' - )RT7" ,- :' ,.,.-xo~ .~ --.- ldi j ",i', '. ", ,";, ,-: ~ " .,"' .. ," ',' ,I": ,;, " ,,!,;)i:!:,-"'" , ",'. _.:-,"':::...,.. r;' ' " !'.. ' ",f, ~~) , ~_ "w 0' ','-" , "', .1'-: " c ~~ c \ \ ,...~ Iq~ I, ' , ~ I I : i Ii i i 1M' I " II \ l ",~..J ~, ....' " 1 \'~~:" ,i\ '~ ~I.,;:",'. II". ':'..' 1,.._..4 .' ;C~_~ ~-.1 , ., ~'; " " ': ',,~'" " , "t",II, ~ . .' , ': , '~.., '~. ' . '. .. , ,-:~'.,:,::'.'.:';,; .'':; ': Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting October 25, 1994 Page 11 j. Consideration of an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance to change the use regulations of a 5.52 acre property located east of Waterfront Drive and the CRANDIC Railroad right-of-way trom CI-1, intensive Commercial, to CC-2, Community Commercial. (REZ94-0010) (Second consideration) Comment: At its September 1, 1994, meeting, by a vote of 6-0, the Planning and Zoning Commission recommended approval of rezoning a 5.52 acre property located east of Waterfront Drive and the CRANDIC Railroad right-ot-way from CI-1 to CC.2 subject to certain conditions. The Commission's recommendation is consistent with the staff recom- mendation contained in the staff report dated July 21, 1994. Comments were received from the public at the September 27, 1994, and October 11, 1994, public hearings on this item. q4- - 36 'i-_t/- )7 ~~) / pjJAJU//U/ :lId ~ (/1/ ' \.. r {/ :(;--i~~ ~ Jl k. Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance to change the u~ it~ I regulations of a 5.11 acre property located east of Wellington Drive from RS.5 to OPDH-5. IREZ94-0010) (Pass and adopt) Action: Comment: At its August 4, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning Commission, by a vote of 6-0, recommended approval of rezoning a 5.11 acre tract of land, known as Village Green Part XIII, from RS-5 to OPDH-5, subject to certain conditions. The Commission's recommenda- tion is consistent with the staff recommendation contained in the staff report dated April 21, 1994. Action: I\~ ) 7~_ ( q<f- 3"4-5 jJof~ / flu) ~ Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance b; cha~~~4 use regulations for property located in the vicinity of the Mormon Trek Boulevard/Highway 1 intersection from County A 1 to CI-1, Intensive Commercial, and land northwest of the intersection from County R 1 A to CO-1, Commercial Office. IREZ94-0007) (Pass and Adopt) I. Comment: At its May 19, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning Commission, by a vote of 6-1, Dierks voting no, recommended approval of rezoning land in the vicinity of the Mormon Trek Boulevard/Highway 1 intersection from County A 1 to CI-1, and rezoning land northwest of the intersection from County R 1 A to CO." The Commission's recom. mendation is consistent with the staff recommendation contained in the staff memorandum dated May 12, 1994. This item was deferred pending approval of the annexation by the City Development Board. The City Development Board has approved this annexation. Action: rBit1if ll(/U;'t,l) ke ' ~~-IJ/ /)o/-.~, " , ( f1{/J' ~ , lit t21f4.p~ _II ,-- - ).'.."..,',',",'.'.' o '. 1':(, :f:, . ":1..:'.." "~ , ~,', ~. " ,.'/, l ~ I I I ~, ~~; ~~ FIJ !,r~~1 ~ y,~ I ~ , " ] , 1 ,10. -...--'.:",.. .,,'" ai, ,i', "',,')":'," '. ., 'i' : ",'.' , , ,:~i:'J';\,.. , "~" "-t , '," ,:~I l' '~'f ' , ':1'1', . #61 page 1 Horowl (#61) And for the public what this means is there is going to be a light at Mormon Trek and Highway 1. Moved by Pigott, seconded by Nov. Any further discussion. Roll call- (yes). Great. This passes. . .~.. , ~' '. l'i t:':I \JI' I . ( r~ \ . \ " .~ .~:'1' I I i I I I I I I , Il I .' I \ j ~' :, J" ~ F102594 rc-- " :',.-_._.~_." ".~',,"',"',--.' , ~~~r--~ ,. , "~ ~:l,".,-"..,...-"'" __" ,..,,,'.,'..,...1. ",' ,',,,,-. " '0 .',',~'.' ,:~':',', .' '.. .'," .'-';",:- , ,,)~\~~'~:";> ":' .::,. , ",-". , "".,: "~~'5' ,,'10/, -. -', ~_:-, " 1;~mf , , c-r k c: \ \J f~ ( , 1 I ' I . ~ ; I I , , ! I 'I ' , I I~:' ; " , I : I j ~~,jl, \<.~/ , J(, (,' ~=--' " , 0 ' \ , 0'- , . - , , , .,--." ' ,':>~t~'\'l;~' " '0.. . ,'. , , ",.' 1 . 1" . ....,. . , " I, " ..,__.::. ',~.."l',. ..," _ '...'_; __..~ ,: ....". L. , ,',' ..,,;',' '..:., _", '~"'; ',,:':,: ;',J',;,;,;:",i.; Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting October 25, 1994 Page 12 . m. Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance to rezone the City's south wastewater treatment plant site to P, Public. (REZ94- 0005) (pass and Adopt) 9'-/ ~ 333 Comment: At its August 4, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning Commission, by a vote of 6-0, recommended approval of rezoning the south wastewater plant treatment site to P, Public, subject to approval by the City Development Board of annexation of the property to the City of Iowa City, Iowa. The Commission's recommendation is consistent with the staff recommendation in the staff report dated April 21, 1994. Public comments were received at the Council's September 13, 1994, public hearing on this item. At their October 17, 1994, meeting, the City Development Board deferred action on this item to their November 9, 1994, meeting. This item should be deferred to the November 22, 1994, Council meeting. Action: ~~/7JJJ dr~ ~ II/J~ ~~_ /~) aLe ~ 'tt~ a~/if n. Consider a resolution extending the expiration date for the afnended preliminary plat of Hunters Run Subdivision, Part Eight. ITEM' NO. 7- Comment: The expiration date of the preliminary plat is November 4, 1994. Hunter Run Development Company has requested an extension of the expiration date to May 3, 1996. The Planning and Zoning Commission will discuss this item at their October 20, 1994 meeting. Staff has recommended approval of the reque'sted extension. Action: ~t'v / ~ ! L ,~/ OJ 42-d14/ ~~" , J'lU?- CUit/J..;h , ~~ PUBLIC HEARING ON AN ~NANCE AMENDING TITLE 14, CITY COD OF - IOWA CITY, IOWA, UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, BY AMENDING CHAPTER 9, ARTICLE A, ENTITLED "PARKING FACILITY IMPACT FEE". Comment: These ordinance amendments would require new commercial developments in the Near Southside Neighborhood to pay a parking facility impact fee. These amendments are the result of the Council's discussions regarding redevelopment of the Near Souths ide. Action: :Eft/' / rt//vn~ -It; ~~~ ~ t: tJ .bt?/ f44/ ~~r~ ----, - ...,:....,;, ' :-..- T-'~~__ _ DR J]!ir, ,0,. f" ,:';::J.;, r s. ~ ~ i,l' ~I * f.:,;. . '. , '. i r:. , '.~, ~) ~o, - ".~...' '" ,~' ,<: ,~ IJ," " , r J ,~ \ \ ~ ('" I I ~ I! i I I~ I, ~\!\ld 'J , ;.', ,~~' ,f' \' Ii, ~~' ',I,: {C :-I ',' ," " ,- '.;:',',,\.. .. '..:;," ',';, . ~,~t, ~'l' :,..'..'.:'1..". . ~. . "..' , '~... " ':-" , . #6m page 1 Horow/ (#6m) Moved by Nov, seconded by Throg (to defer this item to 22 November). Any discussion. Ms. gentry, would you care to explain why we are doing this. Gentry/ yes. There has been some miscommunication, I think, and some misunderstanding between the city and the county regarding the city's intent to comply with the Conditional zoning Agreement entered into in 1988 between the city and the county whereby the wastewater treatment plant zoned public so that the city could use it for its wastewater. We had some problems with the City Development Board for purposes of annexation and the city staff and county are getting together tomorrow morning to solve some of these problems and I think they are all very resolvable and very doable within a short period of time. And we have to communicate somehow with the Development Board as to the November 9 meeting, steve. Don't let us forget that. Horow/ November 9. This item is being deferred to November 22. Gentry/ Yeah, right but the Development Board deferred until their November 9 meeting so we have to communicate something to them before that. Horow/ Any further discussion. Throg/ Well, Sue, I guess I would like to say that sometimes there are legitimate conflicts between governmental agencies and that is okay because sometimes there is just disagreement. In this instance I thought we were trying to coordinate and cooperate with the county and maybe we didn't do it as well as we would have liked to. Horow/ We are not perfect. Right. Any further discussion. All those in favor signify by saying aye (ayes). F102594 - "CI'lIII~ "I~_(.,.""""., ]"""""""",,"C::": ,; ,,,,',oI"'; , i::(' ,,\/"\','; , - ,\:~'" ',:''-'' " ,.. < '." ',':~ ; --:~.' """ ,,', \',' o ."" , ',', .,'.." , . , f" '. ""',l ,.-,,' J ,I [I '" I" I A V , ,I '" '-"f7,',: "j r;, rJ' .... i" ....J 10/ - .-"''-''~' ~ , ' -: ~~\: . 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Staff recommends deferring the resolution to November 22, 1994. ~/711Aj h~ a:e'eZ;; ~ I r-r-if t,,: ,.'., I C\: \11 .~.-~ ~~. r' ' I ~ i ,I I i , I~)' ! ~I~) C'~' . L ,:.i..,r._,-,,' 0 , -, - .'~ ~~ ~ ~~~~,-, l,,',...,"-,:::,",',.,.."~,.''','''':''.:.. ..", ,I.....', ,\ '.:'::,~o...;~:'~':'..'. :S~'\\::",.,:~;~',::::-,'" ::,< "~"'i,"' ,.....,-"..','...,',;":1: " \ '1':,"""',"',",..1" , '5" 0 <c, '.' \Ill \,', ' _,/ -,,~,..~',.,.-, ;","'")-'" JmP~,' " J ,-, \ \ ~ ,.., (1 I I I , i , I : I i~ II \\ ~'1 \l/il .' ;,1 , . City of Iowa City MEMORANDUM To: Mayor, City Council and. General Public From: Date: Re: Additi s to the Agenda. Item #60. Consider a solution stating the Cit s Commitment to provide a north access to the outh Wastewater Tr. atment Plant Site and to restrict the use of Nurser Lane. s deferred on September 13, 1994 for ff recommends deferring the resolution .:]';";"'"'''''\''' , 0,'" ,}\' ",,"",' ...' ,;' f" '" 'f";; ,,', ~ '/,:~, 'I' ""', ~.. . /" (}) ~' . , 10, ",\ ',' ,,"-'_d,,' , " ~~;, ~ .' ,~", J, . .... or. ~~ \ 1 \ \ , ~";':' '~":::''''l ! ' I ~ I I I I i i I ~, h~ " I " , ~ A(_O . ~, . ., ~.. I. ' '., .' " "t':' , '. .:~ \~p ~ .' '.'-'l';,',,, ,0 .' " , .~. , , '.,; . " ." #6n page 1 Horow/ (#6n) Moved by Nov, seconded by Lehman. Any discussion. Nov/ We assume P/Z Commission did discuss it on the 20th and did concur. Horow/ Yes. Roll call- (yes). okay. The resolution is extended. F102594 ',', ,---: ~~~~_2 ~, '""\\,',,'. "" ".O~~i."'" - " l', ".. . . '''' '1.;'" , ., L. Ii, ..) "".' ~, " fD I i ( ld', ""~~'~~::~'; ';,~'.,;'" . ~: :,.;': " t ( (;'~ \ .,;;.:1 ':11 It I ~ I I i r: \1 0.,:~j .~ 1;~ i~r1 , .; ...' .., . ~~' . ~: , '.. ,. "\~\;l' :':; '~,:l ~ . . .",' , l~, " , ", , ".!' "'" , , . " .,. -;" l ',.,'_ '~.,:.: J'~."..._,.- :".' ;'~; :',"-',;. /. ,~:" ,::: :.'~" c;~j::,~; A_,':.',~.r;-. #60 page 1 Horow/ (#60) Moved by Nov, seconded by Throg (to defer resolution to 22 November). Discussion. This is similar to the previous one about the wastewater treatment plant site. Nov/ Basically it says we will zone the site and we will build a road to the site and the two are connected. Ii Horow/ Any further Discussion. All those in favor signify by saying aye (ayes). . ',< 0- 1;9 I F102594 ','~', ':' ,,'--- " , ,'.". ". . I> ,: ft '~"b' ',0, ( -, \: __0 , ~~- -.' , :. 7,"',,0 j,',.,"""",.., '''', ''',..":,.,,, " '.,' '~'i,' ")/\""1:.:' /. , ,m:-R. .r r-\ \ ~ j( I' " I I : i I I , , i ~,'I ,I" " i I Ii :~ ~JIi"! ;;~',~,l'~~;' i~ : l~I"~ l_~ tC ~" 'I , ,\~.. . '''Ii' , ,. ,', . " , . ,',I 1 . ,,' '., .,,'-,'::_:1" #7, #8, #9, page 1 Horow/ (#7) Declare the p.h. open. Franklin/ Before we have public comment the council had asked that we put together something to hopefully clarify for people what was going on here. The first p.h. that you will be hearing comment on is the parking facility impact fee. The parking facility impact fee district is shown on the overhead in dark outline. Any residential or commercial property which expands or has new construction within this area would be subject to the parking facility impact fee. The urban revitalization plans and districts are the subject of your other two p.h.s and the commercial district that we are discussing ins the area outlines in yellow which is essentially the CB-5 Zone and then the area that is outlined in green is the residential urban revitalization area. The hatched marked properties are those that we have projected in the Near South Side Plan which was done two years ago-the potential for redevelopment within ten years. Now we haven't it shown on here Town Center which is in Block 103 because that redevelopment is already taken place. The other possible changes from this include the small piece of property on Block 19 which is the Dan Bray, Lori Klochau Law Offices that were rezoned to CB-5 and we so we don't expect redevelopment there. The possibility of redevelopment on Block 1 and on the southeast corner of Block 103, whatever happens with st. Pat's, may come into play also. Understand that all of these projects of possible redevelopment within the next ten years are speculation on our part but they are based on the buildings that are there, the ownership and some discussion with the owners two years ago. Horow/ Thank you. All right, the p.h. is open. I would ask you to sign in, state your name and limit your comments to five minutes please. craig Willis/ First a context comment. I'm certainly glad to be in a pUblic meeting in the last week in October that the subject matter is not Halloween costumes or the religious appropriateness of Halloween. I was nervous when Jerry Arganbright walked in until I realized that every day is Halloween at West High unless it's changed since my daughter went there. Gentry/ craig, from one attorney to another I can interrupt you. willis/ (couldn't hear) Gentry/ You're off the clock. I suggest that we have all three p.h. combined. willis/ That was my next question. That could we not do that F102594 ~-- , ~ ~1r LI~ r -- - 0_ li," ,'., o ~ f" , ,'~ ,,',:t I Q ~ ';i)' It ' T ft ,: S. ' m 0, 'fl, _',."..-v , 0 " . " ,m';:]l, ,/'.. L \\ \: d;F:!l ,.~, " I '! ' .; i , I : : i , I , r i'" I, , I : I ~~ 1 t;~,il~ r;l~~ ; , ~ . ". . ,'1\\1' , '~ . . -. . ,..' "l'" " , #7, #8, #9, page 2 because I'm going to give you the full boat all the way around. I organized my comments around. Horow/ I'd entertain a motion to combine all three of them. pigott/ I'd move to combine the p.h.s. Horow! Moved by pigott, seconded by Lehman. Willis! I get 15 minutes right. Horow! Let me tell you what the other p.h.s are just one minute. The second p.h. is a proposed near south side commercial urban revitalization plan for a proposed urban revitalization area. The third one is a p.h. on a proposed near south side residential urban revitalization plan. okay. Proceed. And no not 15 minutes. Willis! There will be a test. I've organized my comments on the different points of view or the different voices I have. I have lots of different voices and I might be a ventriloquist but I don't have the advantage of having a separate puppet for everyone of my voices. So just to recap quickly so the involvements I have with the collection of issues are first of all I am connected with the Chamber of Commerce in this. I've worked with the d.t. expansion task force and have attempted to work on the consensus building aspect of this through the Chamber formally and we'll pass on that view. I am the owner of a peculiar kind of enterprise that's associated with this area and the incentive network in this area that being the owner of an office variety as opposed to retail variety business. I'm a business tenant in the projected area projected commercial area. And my final voice, my Lambchop, would probably be me. I will through in my asides from time from time too. First of all from the institutional stand point the Chamber standpoint and I advise you that the Chamber executives have approved this position. The board has not yet and we'll post you on that. First of all on reviewing the objective that the fundamental purposes pretty much the same as last time I talked to you. We believe that left alone the area would develop to residential. Something would happen absent some kind of incentive program. And that expanding the basic core of the d.t. with the Iowa city kind of a mix of residential office and retail into this area south of Burlington is in the interest of the public. We also believe after some discussion as you might expect was appropriate under the circumstances and the comments of last time that tax abatement is an appropriate kind of incentive to bring about these public purposes. The carrot is still a worthwhile tool. Somewhere along the line there's a carrot. Now you've looked F102594 T =~~ - o )" f" ~! r.& 11 ~ ~ I r 11 I, c " !o" .-." ,) ~ ',.', :rJ;?t,yj , ""/'. r,..- t ..'\ ~'"'""l , 1 \, '" ~""~',' ,,~ I r " : I " I ,I i I I I I I " "~'l' i P : i . :~ ~ ,.';: :::,'J, '/' ), '; , " '.' .'~. ~ W. \'i, . , ''\',,It r'l#~: '(Lo ~~ . r\ '.",~t :,\'j,~ . ...": ", , " , . .,..f'.. ...;,:.(':...'-" .~, .... .-~'. ,'._C."'" ", . ",,""'~ #7 page 3 at the plan that divides into two the original area that was being considered the residential and the commercial redevelopment areas. The Chamber advises you that that seems like a reasonable kind of division. It's an elaborate bow to the inevitable. What's really happened historically and really what the circumstances the area are. I think that's very reasonablG, A comment at this point if you look at how far we've come so far in implementing this policy. If you give us all a grade ~~ this we might get a gift D on this. That in reference to looking at commercial incentives there has been a commercial spot created which is vacant and remains vacant and also has been vacant. And there has been a project turned down that had substantial commercial impact. So we haven't gone very far in the existing policy. Again, Chamber. Proposed impact fee is not justified. I made some of that argument and I will continue that in maybe one of my other voices here in a brief period of time. The Chamber believes that the closure of Dubuque Street is not justified at this time in that if you balance the proposed amenities. Posed in that proposal that would make ingress and egress in the existing d.t. difficult. It will make it difficult for those of us who are there and it will make it difficult for anybody who becomes there without seeing our way clear on that. So we don't see our way to clear it to endorse that right now. We also would suggest to you that the proposed employment of a consultant at this time in light of some of those context issues may be premature. One thing from the Chamber standpoint that is important to review and go back. Last time it was clear that there was unanimity among the business community in reference to this issue. That that was the subject matter of much discussion, introspection, discussion to see if, in light of that. And that argument was basically why should the government give carrots to people when there are people who are in the business of selling carrots. And that, in general, is a good argument. So one has to think hard about why it should be and the people that raised this argument are solid citizens, solid business participants in the community who have substantial investments and whose interest would not be taken lightly. The two major points about this, however, seem to us to be: l-that the public at large does benefit. That we will all benefit from this and that any kind of temporary dislocation or temporary apparent competitive disadvantages would be, in fact, that-temporary, over the long run, that will all grow together to the point we make out. Voice shift. All right now I want to tell you something that I think may have been lost in this. I am now speaking to you as I said a special kind of group of commercial people. I am a office person which means that I am a service business. I don't sell particular items. People come see me basically by appointment. They usually make single F102594 ~.- -, ~ --- _=-~o )" f" . I I r , ~~ ' I' " 80', .~ ,t:., U ' ,~~ ';'} , , ';'~Ilif.~';1 ,- .r .1 [ I \ \ (,~ , ( r' .) I , I , I I : i ~ I I f, II" ! l ~~"') " .) , ?~/~{ " (I ~' , r:f~:" ( -,,-.-. . ; 0 "r,,:, _. . r I , .' , "t , ,~\ I.'~ ", . J " ,;,/ l '.,..., . ,..:;,,::~,,' :",:;:".:7:.t,';;:~',.-.;:., '::'.:.,,:, .,... \" ',".',:..'-','..-,;' #7 page 4 purpose trips and they usually arrive by virtue of their automobile. In thinking about office type of people I pose you two different pictures. I found this helpful when thinking about this issue to think about two different situations. Think about d.t. Cedar Rapids on one hand and the area of Ames, Iowa known as Campus Town-dog town to those of us who spent any time in Ames. Two differeht-very different compositions of commercial. They could all be called commercial under our treatment here but there are two different kinds of commercial. The important thing to think about there is which do the implementation schemes here lead us toward and where do we want to be on that. The thing about office that I need to pass onto you is that when I started in the community in 1975 it was clear to me as I think back to the orthodoxy of all of this kind of situation: banks, the lawyers, the real estate offices, insurance offices, accounting offices, all the people that fall into this category. The orthodoxy was you must be d. t. There was really no discussion about that. Your office had to be d.t. That where it was. And so we built through that. The retail has been organized from that. The transportation systems have been organized for that. until recently and particularly focused in my own thinking by the comments that came from the folks who objected to the proposal the last time. There had been more and more people among this community, for various reasons, that are saying almost literally I don't have to be d.t. The office people are saying that. I could tick a bunch of these off. This bothers me. There is a blind spot in mind and I think it may be something we need to think about because that group is an important group for this whole concept anyway. So test the plan and the implementing elements by affect on that group. A disincentive to that group is an incentive to the basic premises of the plan. That we all grow together that we balance our growth. Voice shift again. Now I have to shift into my resident of 150 East Court Street, corner of Court and Dubuque Street. I have been there for approximately ten years. CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 94-123 SIDE 2 In order to construct an improvement by a quasi proprietary system of the government which could currently finance that very easily under existing policies by itself, I view that as extortion. I think that the developers are having the parking impact fee exhorted from them. It would be a disincentive to me. If I would do it it is a matter of a principle enough to me that I would not apply for tax exemption to do that. Throg/ Why is the tax abatement- F102594 ..r:, ,-~~- - _ - '~..\:l~: , , f" " ,-', trf I I b '. I;'~ , 8.0", '" ': \-,) >> . ~~I~S1 j \ \ & I f i , I : I I i .~ , , : : " " i ~'1,\, "~ ""'~' -". I , L:' ~;,: \.., 'Lo , , .':r:\', "" ~ . , 1 -, .'.. .. .. ....'"'.,,,,.;.., " #7 page 5 Willis/ What I suggest here the problem is this fits into a larger fiscal dialogue which I do not believe we have had yet. And we need to. If there is going to be a major change in how we are going to deal with parking funds and how this relates to transit and how this relates to the d.t. in general. Let's have it. Let's do it. I know all the members of the business community would be anxious to do it. Let's confront it. Let's not do it in the back door this way. But in any event the point here is to me the lowest level here that would be a disincentive. A disincentive to do it. Where we are talking about carrots it is a non-carrot. It is a negative impact. Now closing Dubuque street. I certainly have always been on record favoring open space and hearing the discussions tonight about the Neighborhood Open Space reminded me of the time that I was back on the P/Z Commission when all of that was going on the first time and I remember that very well and I remember the part of that plan that dealt with the Neighborhood Open Space assessment assessing for different parts of town what was lacking about parkland and d.t. is one of them clearly. Well, so, I am in favor of that in general but when you think of it in how it applies to me that open space to me the office is not an amenity. So, if you are constructing-closing streets, constructing improvements to make amenities to draw as an incentive businesses my use is indifferent to that. That doesn't matter to me and the people who come to see me. A way to put that is-well, a way not to put it in my opinion is it is not a field of dreams. Build it and they will come. Well, build what and who will come. In graphic terms I asked myself if the folks who are at noon between Washington Street and college Street in the pedestrian mall are there to buy securities at Dains Bosworth, generally not. Generally not. So it is not a direct amenity in that kind. To me it will make my access difficult. Not me, I don't care about me. It is the people that come to see me that I care about. closing Dubuque Street makes my access more difficult. I have some antidotes which I won't share with you about coaching people who call me on their car phones coming from out of town with an abstract saying that they want to-they are coming off of the Dubuque Street exit and they would like to know how to get to my office. That when was the last time you were in Iowa city-1950, good luck. You stay where you are and I will come and meet you. But in any event, because I am a tenant, if my access is more difficult I suffer some kind of damage on this. I suffer damage to the point that I will move. So I am moved out of the area where I think I am a preferred use by this particular use. In other words right now the way the deal looks it doesn't look at the amenities that we pick up are worth the trade of my access. I will go somewhere else. See, I have a luxury of doing that being a tenant. The owners, ny landlords who are sitting over there are ready to put on their FI02594 , - - ~'''': - , - 0 _.-l~, f" rtj i I o , ::t , ~O, i .' I.:., , ~ ,. J .' """'" ;,..,~nl.t~, II, " , ".~ \\ i,~ .' -" , \ -, , . . ~...,'~..:,.; ;"-.,0",;'"'"''.':'.',-''' ""'.',,<',;'.~,;,:.:, '-;-':.",:_:..;'" #7 page 6 boxing gloves here have a different oplnlon but I will just move. I will go somewhere else. And that has happened. That has happened to me personally. I use to be in the savings and Loan Building across from College and Clinton street. Access problems moved my along. One other point, subpoint, about being along Dubuque street there. There's a lot more traffic there than I would have ever thought on Dubuque street. I noticed the traffic counters came out the first week in October and I am sure showed that it is probably as busy as Linn street and maybe not as busy as Clinton street. still it is a busy street. It is a direct route for our friends down at Johnson County Ambulance at 808 S. Dubuque street. Since I have been-we have been talking about this I have been looking out my window every time a ambulance call comes from the ambulance garages and the ambulance goes straight north, through the intersection of Court street, up the stub of this street and goes straight to Burlington street to respond to a call to go east or west. So most direct. It is not to say that they wouldn't do it otherwise but it is the most direct route. So the usage patterns I think in general indicate that '. the street is part of the system. The argument has been made to me and I think I buy this from my own observations is that also the egress from the Dubuque Street Parking Ramp, for example at 5:00, becomes more difficult if you close Dubuque Street. People say that it is a third, a third, a third of people turning left, right, going straight. If you cut one off it makes it more difficult. I understand the exit- Horow/ craig, you are way over your five minutes. ~C ( \ \, . ~,'i Willis/ Next item is summary right here. In summary, I believe and all of my voices, that this is a good concept. That we have a good formula with the reservation that there is something going on among the office type of group that we maybe need to think about especially. That we don't want to pose any unusual incentives for. But we have to look carefully at the implementing techniques and I would oppose in all of my voices the parking impact fee until we at least get that fiscal master plan in place and I would oppose the closing of Dubuque Street. I thank you for you time. ~:;.;:'- . I r \ " Horow/ Thank you. The next person please. : i , I Baker/ Sue, are we going to be able to ask Craig back up later for some clarification on a couple of points that he has raised. , I ;{', i I" ,: II ~~",;, ~\o.'''''' , , V " Horow/ Definitely. Kevin Hanick/ I would like to note that Mr. willis's name is illegible here. F102594 '11'1' ~, , '\~_~ll I". [~ C~_? --:~ ' .' _ - ,_,rr ,- o _J" '\1- ~ f" , .,-' .'," .!. '. , , ." I. " , . !~ 'I ,{~Iu . ,!mi'~~1I " ; 'I ,,' ~ , ,..~tv '" '" ,1'l"".. i~' "..,1 l "-... f" , . ,.., --,"':,;,1,',;" .".',_ ;.::.i,..,'.;".. , "",.'" " -.', .' :t ~ " #7 page 7 \ Horowj He isn't one that has a stamp. Hanickj I want to jump right up. I am here as a owner of a business in the south side redevelopment area, Lepic Kroeger Real tors and also representing a group of investors and partners who seek to develop a hotel at the corner of Burlington and Dubuque streets. I wanted to jump up very quickly after Mr. willis finished. It is always a pleasure to speak after someone so eloquent and you can agree with most of what they said and get that on the record. I do agree on one level and I have spoken to a number of councilors on this issue individually. But i do agree with the general concept that abate and parking impact should not be linked and I wouldn I t probably use the words to describe that as Mr. willis. But I do think it is unfair to link those things. I thin at least on one level the public benefit, the public good derived from the kind of redevelopment we are seeing plans for is in fact justification for the kind of abatement or carrot as craig described it. That said and for the record I have two other items I wanted to mention. One-in our particular plan and given the location we seek to develop early on in our planning stages we were directed to work with city staff and specifically Mr. Fowler of the d.t. parking garage and we have ascertained that at least at this point we would be able to allocate a certain amount of parking in the Dubuque street ramp for our use and I wanted to point out and I for whatever discussion there might be the fact that this is a kind of a double indemnity that we particular are going to suffer here. We are going to pay for the ramp. We are going to pay very directly for out impact across the street as we use that just like anyone else would. But at the same time we are going to have to pay for probably something that we aren't going to use. Now there is going to be some sort of circular argument saying we are pushing people out of that ramp and they are going to have to go somewhere. I am told there is adequate room in the ramp as it is now. So I at least throw that out as a question. Is there, at least on some level, a kind of double indemnity here, for our particular use and should that be considered and should there be some sort of offset or credits that can be entertained on that issue. And the last thing I wanted to mention was we have talked in some very general terms about the closing of Dubuque street and I just want to reassert that we have never taken a particular position on that but we are at a fairly crucial corner on that block. We are not opposed to closing it. We are not necessarily in favor of it. We want to work with the city staff in planning our own development and we will do that. But I certainly have respect for what craig mentioned in terms of what he perceives to be impact on his business and on his building. So I wanted to just say that we are not taking a o I [ ('- .-'" :I '. I 'c : i'{1 I, i I " 1[ 1 F102594 l'. '. ~': :J' j;j: If, \( '~"'..'P'"'"' - -- - , -,- ]'" In i 0, 0 0 j ~ " :':F< .; ..:. ' ~~~. 1-, '~tl,,/. ~ .. . '. . -- ~ '...,., , . ,1,"; ,.",'.,' '..,.,., .'.. "', . ",',1'" "--"" . ''''''-'--''''"'' .;",';, ',;,,""',", ."..,','- #7 page 8 position on that and don't particularly have one at this point. I can see that there may be some benefits to derive from that and would like to see how that would impact other people but I don't want to say that I am for or against that. And lastly I want to oppose craig very strongly as a former teacher many years ago at West High by his comments about Halloween and West High School. For the record. Thank you very much. Horow/ Thank you. ( Larry Hanson/ with Mid-America savings Bank and represent Mid- America in the ownership of the building on Court and Dubuque. This building was built in 1980 to accommodate our bank and other commercial tenants. Again, we provide parking for our customers, tenants, their customers, and also access for a dri ve up window. Currently our tenants represent an insurance agency, an abstract title company, law offices and a dentist office. All are very dependent upon services and very oriented that way. The access to our build, of course, and parking lot is off Dubuque street, both north and south. Our concerns are with the closure of Dubuque Street. The closure of it would limit the access for our customers and our tenants. It would further isolate us both visibly and vehicularly from the central business district that flows off of Burlington Street. Closure would also limit or lack of the access to our drive up window which is very key to the success of our business. Any change in Dubuque Street creates a drastic change in the traff ic access to our property. We believe that the closure of Dubuque Street would have a significant and adverse impact on the usefulness and the value of our property. Mid-America is supporti ve of the redevelopment plan of south of Burlington and does hope that the city is able to go fourth with the plans that facilitate the redevelopment. However the bank does not believe that closure of Dubuque Street should be a part of these plans. Thank you. 'r. r" i I i I :\\' .~ Horow/ Thank you very much. Anyone else care to address council. John Gross/ I am a co-owner of a business in d.t. Iowa city. I would like to make just three points about the plan. First closing Dubuque Street seems to restrict the use of Court Street as a way to get across that part of town. I use that myself quite bit. And closing Dubuque Street will certainly restrict the long term goal of moving traffic to Court Street. It also restricts my access to clients across Dubuque Street and I feel that the disadvantages and access problems to those businesses and to the senior citizen center or the residential properties there is certainly limited as well. So I would F102594 "<,j !~ ;', ('--W-"-'-- : 0 , u.... muM --;: --. . All: .., 0,. )<;' ~' ~i;;' f o ,!' "t- 10', I ,I: " -.. :~ ~.-I' ~ri', 1:' 0;;\ \ \ ~ r I I , ' , I ! : i " i ~' " ,.. , I I ~':", \'J ~(' I! ~ , :( . ; j .' " '.~t :.\!" ~ .,". . .,', , .~,.,. "" . . ::-'. -:>'~:~,'~~~"'~ ,-.:,.. ;';~""" ,~::~;: - '. ' __"',,'.J:......... .'c,..;",'..., , #7 page 9 oppose closing Dubuque street. It is really going to load up that intersection as craig indicated earlier. You talk also in the plan about hiring a visual design consultant. In looking at the transparency that we had it seems to me that there are very few properties clustered along Dubuque street or really along any major access that would be redeveloped that could benefit from the use of a visual design consultant. And secondly I wonder if it is in the role of the city to tell private property owners what their perspective buildings are going to look like. We certainly had design review that commented on the suitability. But to hire someone and pay them to design these elevations when they are really only scattered through the area seemed to be rather improper use of city funds and not really the role of the city. Nov/ Excuse me. This was a designer consultant for streetscape not buildings. Horow/ Right, not for buildings, John. Throg/ Not just streetscape. Gross/ It is my understanding that the city staff has done some streetscape. The amenities design already and this is in fact in talking with Jeff I believe talking about designing the sides of the buildings. Maybe Karin can clarify that. Horow/ Karin, would you care to elucidate us on this. Franklin/ As I understand the council's direction it was not to design specific buildings but to render a drawing which would show what the sense of the council was on how this area should develop in the long run and focusing a lot on types of buildings, scale, bulk, and public spaces. Throg/ It very much had to do with public spaces and there is an element in the draft resolution, right, about bulk and so on. But the focus of the draft resolution was very much on public space and how to create publicly useable space in the Near South Side. Q Franklin/ Yes, that is right and John is right in terms of the streetscape. We have done some work on that already. But I think we would be tying that work into something larger for the entire area. , Gross/ Am I right in understanding that you would be defining maybe the bulk in terms of some facets of the building. Franklin/ In general fashion but I don't believe the intent is to F102594 -r -= o )"/~' ",..~' , -... ~\, . I" 10 ./' , I V < 5 .J' '- o " ~= ~,:'j,<;~a .......~..... " r ,,\ ,........., I ' \ \ \:, ,:'l, , I , 11 , i~ I I i i , ,: I f I , I" \ " I :! I " ! \ I , \' , ' ~",,:~,,~.;, ,." , I , ;/~~~~ ";~,rlijJVC ,.\j,~ ~;r'~,""', 1"" 11m~e ,'.'\' i..._-"\.... '(-"-0 " , " ' '~t'.\'f'-, .. , ,~' , , ~ ". ,.' . '. ,'..'::..:",,' " ,",,", '''. , '. ,.',1,': " ,'.. " '..,..'..).,'-",'..' ,,"c,...;,,,\ ~~ ~' , #7 page 10 get down to any detail of design and we will sort through that if there is any misunderstanding before we would hire anybody. Throg/ John, just to clarify, we have a draft resolution that we are not considering tonight but which will come up in another four weeks or there abouts and that draft resolution-the only point where it really addresses buildings in the sense that you mean it says the design plans shall also propose revisions to city zoning regulations in a way that will prescribe the design elements which create a unifying sense of place through architectural design and public improvement projects. So, I don't understand that to mean that we will be telling people how to design individual buildings. Gross/ That is good. The only place where there seems to be any property massed together is Mrs. Hieronymous's space on Clinton Street. other than that the parcels as I saw on the transparencies are pretty much scattered and I am really not sure how they can be unified when they are sometimes several blocks apart. One additional point I would like to make and that is the consideration of the st. Pat's parking lot for a parking ramp site. I think it is pretty clear that shoppers who park will park where they can see their destination. A shopper will walk a quarter of a mile across a mall parking lot because they can see where they are going. To put a parking ramp on the st. Pat's lot is around the corner and down the hill and I don't think we will serve shoppers well at all. I would suggest maybe that a parking ramp if we are looking for one to serve that area might well be placed in the area of Mod Pod, a good size ramp there with an aerial link across Dubuque Street to the hotel. Another aerial link to the existing Dubuque Street ramp in providing a way of easy transit. I am very concerned about people with suitcases trying to dodge the traffic across Burlington Street. I think they could be better served by a parking ramp across Dubuque Street connected aerially. I would like to suggest that be given consideration rather than the st. Pat's property. Thank you. Horow/ Thank you. Anybody else care to address council. John Murphy/ I am with the DTA and I had a bunch of things on the parking issue again for public discussion but I was a little too busy so I am not going to talk about that tonight. But as far as the DTA and our Board of Directors we talked about this and we represent about 80 stores in the d.t. business community and we both support the South Side development incentives and we oppose the closure of Dubuque Street both for reasons already stated. F102594 ~-- , ___n__ -~~" ) i '.' ~.. ", .' I '~I' 0'". '/ ,c.. ,.' ~) ., . " ,~'ljt.tiL~ ..,1- '\,', , ..-\ I,~!,'. . ",..' , . .'; ~ 'w." #7, page 11 horow! Okay, thank you very much, John. Anyone else care to address council. Dean Thornberry! On behalf of Dr. Zimmermann of All Pets Veterinary Clinic who was unable to be here tonight. His office is on Dubuque street and he vehemently opposes the closure of the Dubuque street south side. Thank you. ,r t ~\ ( 1 Throg! Thanks. Dell Richard! I like craig share part of the Mid-America Savings Bank as my office. Craig and I basically have the same office space. His upstairs and mine downstairs. I have been a resident of this area since 1972 and chose to stay here in large part because of Iowa city's commitment to d.t. and my interest in urban renewal in the d.t. area and those kinds of issues. In 1981 I was looking for space for my law office and I chose the Mid-America savings bank because it was a unique property for the practice of law. It is close to d.t. It is close to the court house, post office and most of all it is one of the only properties in the d.t. area that had parking on site. My initial lease ran out or runs out on December 31 of this year. For the first half of 1994 I was looking around throughout the community to try to determine whether I wanted to stay where I was or find a new location. ultimately determined that there was no better place for doing what I am doing where I am and I am now committed or have the opportunity to remain at this location until 2025. That will give me a total of 40 years in this location and so I feel I have some interest in what is going on Dubuque Street. I am willing to pay premium rates because of the unique nature of my practice and the fact that my clients can get to me. A lot of the work that I do is for people who want to stop, come in, drop off documents, see me for a couple of minutes and leave and so having access to Dubuque Street to get into my parking lot is extremely critical to me. I, like craig, would feel very strongly that I would suffer a significant economic loss if the Dubuque street access were not available and would very likely not elect to renew the options that I have to continue in this site and, like craig, would probably find myself in a- I would have to give up my commitment to d.t and go find some place else where my clients could easily and conveniently get to me. So for all of the above reasons I strongly urge you to not do anything to Dubuque Street which would limit the access of vehicles to our building. Thank you. Horow! Thank you. Baker! Mr. Richards, can I ask for a point of clarification because it has come up several times about this discussion on closing \ ~ (""1"1 ! i : I r I I , , , I , ' , i , ! , 'r' 1:,<' . i' ! I II A "~'," , ",~ \,1 , I ~ FI02594 y~~:,' ',' i:'~ fT:"~'" , ill" -' c~- <:. 0 "- -~,---~ - 0'):':" : a_ f" . '.'I~" ",Ij) l~' g I I b I I }^' t., I,' " i~ ~ll 2~~ .f r---"\ , \ ~ , I I" ; i I I I , , ' , , , i , " : 1-:'" I, ! ! , , 1\ ~,;.' "~ ~ 'l[ .' , , , . , '~t\ \'1 , " ~ . ~, . ~ .~., , ", ....__,,-1.......,._:...',,-,,, ,', , ' ,. .,'..'\., ,.,J"."', ;',-""..c', __,..' #7 page 12 Dubuque street. Are you working under the impression that the 'council plans to close Dubuque street from Burlington all the way to Court. Richard/ We don't have any operating assumptions other than that any closure of Dubuque street would limit our access. If the council is only planning to cut it off so that there is access from the north and access from the south that would not have nearly the impact on us as a complete closure of the street which would effectively shut off our building from vehicular access. We don't really know what you are planning for sure because I don't think you have really told us other than you put a big red line down Dubuque street and said we are going to close it. Pigott/ And nothing is set in stone either. Baker/ That is not entirely true because I think the discussions have been a substantial closing of Dubuque street with the south side access still open. Richard/ Okay, if that is the case we mayor may not be able to live wit that until we see exactly what you are doing. My- even if you narrowed the street or made is more curvy of whatever it is you want to do to make people not want to drive on it, at least what is important is to be able to get in and out of our parking lot. Horow/ Is there anyone else who would care to address council. Douglas Jones/ 816 Park Road. I suppose I should sign in again. I would just like to comment that I like plans that I am seeing. I like the direction that you are talking about going. The idea that merchants are now beginning to think that they don't need to locate d. t. whereas they use to think that is was appropriate and I shouldn't say merchants-professional services are now thinking that they don I t need that d. t. location. That threatens me personally because my job d.t. I work on campus. If I had to park to get to me office I would be parking out at Finkbine or out at the commuter parking at Hancher and I would be walking close to a mile to get to my office anyway from a parking lot. I would rather walk all the way to work than to do that. Once I am d.t. I am captive there because my car would be so far away, because right now I simply leave my car at home and I really value being able to walk to my stock broker. I do indeed walk to a stock broker on the pedestrian mall. If that broker weren't there I might well be dealing by telephone and if I were dealing by telephone I would be as likely to deal with Merril Lynch of Dina, Minnesota or with one of these brokers in Des Moines who F102S94 ,-~~ _.. - --~~V- .)~ o , 0 ".. I ..~ ,.., '-, .~.f I I o , , 1~1 10, . " "-'"",4' ,'~''''~!4. ;- i . " ' . , 'It., ' ,",\',; " , " ., . ',"" ~ ". "',,,1,.:, ' ~""~'..'.',, ,,',,',,', #7 page 13 keeps telephoning me trying to get my customer. When I have needed a lawyer which thankfully hasn't been very frequently a d.t. location that I can walk to has been preferred. When I think of the businesses that had representatives here right now, most of them are businesses that I want d.t. That I want within walking distance of where I am a captive employee. The only exception to that is All Pets Vetinary where my dog and cat happen to go. I have to drive there anyway to move the animals and I could probably drive to a suburban location just as well. But the fact is I really appreciate being able to have even that somewhere close to where I am working because I can get more bang for the buck and drive d.t. and drop off some stuff at my office and then deal with the pets and then pick up something else and take it home that I would otherwise have to carryon the bus. So please, whatever you do about the closing of Dubuque street, whatever you do about parking access fees, make a go of it. We do need to have a growing healthy business community d.t. to support all of us who work there and are captive employees of the University and would otherwise be driving to get something done that we could instead take ten minutes of walkover and do it. Horow/ Thank you, Doug. Throg / So Doug, let me make sure I understand. You are not recommending that we establish an urban pet revitalization area. Correct. Jones/ And we have to have pet access fees also. (" ! ..~ C-\ Horow/ Is there anyone else who would care to address council. \ 4~ I;' Dean Thornberry/ I feel compelled to respond. I am not in the pet business. That is my friend. And he lives outside the city of Iowa city and is not eligible to vote for the council person of his choice but he works in Iowa city and All Pets vetinary Clinic is there and has been there for where people could leave there pets in the morning and go to work d.t. and pick them up in the afternoon and go home. It is needed. Transportation to that particular business is needed other than public transportation. , I I , I , , I , ! Pigott/ Thank you Mr. Thornberry. Horow/ Thank you very much. Anyone else. ," ; ," i, " , , : j ; \ J ~ - Ray Novick/ I own the Electronic Cave at 313 South Dubuque Street which is right on the heart of the area that is being discussed to be closed. I picked that location because it provides a unique location that has on site parking as well as F102S94 ,\~:",; ~'):1' ,I,:~, II~ , '--' (:~=~~:~ - ~ ~ - -):.: 0 - . f" '. ~~, ID~ ,\~ ~ l I , ~i r a ,/5 ,'ijO, .. '''''i''--' ;;~i{ , .:'__.i::. \, ~ I i ! I i I i I' ~ ~ "',::',', ,..," '. " ,~ . fe'. ,:,':~t:,~'!.~,' ~.. ' ",,' '-,'". .. ;', " . , .' ~ ,'" "'I', :. , ' ' ':~. , , , #7 page 14 . being accessible from d.t. for people who are d.t. who don't have vehicles. And while a majority of my customers do park we get people that walk in from d.t. So closing Dubuque Street would naturally affect my business and I would have to oppose it. The other observation I would like to make is I waited to speak last intentionally because through the p.h. not one person here has supported closing Dubuque Street and I have yet to see the city council show any benefit to the community of supporting Dubuque Street. So I have to question how much more time and money the city needs to spend looking into this when there seems to be no support for it. Thank you. Horow/ Thank you. Anybody else care to address council. Okay. I am going to close the p.h. Moved by Pigott, seconded by Lehman (to accept correspondence). Any discussion. All those in favor signify by saying aye (ayes). Thank you very much. F102594 !r-._~rr 1~ ~ ' - ",','."~., --.. , ",L,..",..._.::' "J"-""o;~:jjJ\""i',,, '\ ",',.".,1 " f" , , ;~ I I. ! @ , " , 'I' ,.t., / ",; 10, ", ~,-~ ' ";' " -{"",,~,.,' .. --..,:', .-~ /' \(7'~ ".)~ ":,','~, " ,.'.' ,':",; \-'\, ~ , , I I q, I " ~~J \\", "I .,1'1 ',"-',"",' 1',' '.. '.~1' " ~:;:" ~:I . " ,,:,.',' ~-~ ,{[ 0 , . -.... '. ': . ,,', ";"" ':,~t\',',:;, ' , '...,.\,., , ", ~ <'. l' , , . '~-"r' ' ,. Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting October 25, 1994 Page 13 ITEM NO.8- PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSED NEAR SOUTHSIDE COMMERCIAL URBAN REVITALIZATION PLAN FOR A PROPOSED URBAN REVITALIZATION AREA IN THE CITY OF IOWA CITY, IOWA. Comment: The proposed Urban Revitalization Area includes the area zoned Central Business Support Zone, generally located between Burlington and Court Streets and along Gilbert Street. The Urban Revitalization Plan outlines the improvements which qualify for property tax exemption in the proposed Area. .#V ~d1 ' Action: {j~ I.. 8 (If f!IfI-JtttJl fjj~ ITEM NO.9- PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSED NEAR SOUTHSIDE RESIDENTIAL URBAN REVITALIZATION PLAN FOR A PROPOSED URBAN REVITALIZATION AREA IN THE CITY OF IOWA CITY, IOWA. Comment: The proposed Urban Revitalization Area includes an area zoned Planned High Density Multi-Family Residential Zone and Central Business Service Zone, generally located south of Court Street along Linn, Dubuque, Clinton, Capitol and Prentiss Streets. The Urban Revitalization Plan outlines the improvements which qualify for property tax exemption in the proposed Area. ~ j;:(;f1v Jr 7 , Action: f1/ ctdJ aflLjJt UnA M/(J(jht 1 ?de /1(i d ITEM NO. 10 - ANNOUNCEMENT OF VACANCIES. a. Previously Announced Vacancies. (1) Parks and Recreation Commission - Two vacancies for four-year terms ending January 1, 1999. (Terms of Bill Brandt and Dee Vanderhoef end.) (2) Human Rights Commission - Three vacancies for three-year terms ending January 1, 1998. (Terms of Jason Chen, Sara Mehlin and Pamela Dautremont end.) (3) Board of Adjustment - One vacancy for a five-year term ending January 1, 2000. (Catherine Johnson's term ends.) These appointments will be made at the November 8, 1994, meeting of the City Council. )L& ftw , ,','~,', _ -. .:'" 1'.'...' ".,.,- ",.,_'.~q~__>,'O,', j:,\i. "-""..\,,,,','h"'.'''''' .~ f" , r i I '," I ", 1.\, "1"""'1,0"/. .j'S .1,', I , .'"'' ~:'~.~;'I: ':, ' .as,.. ,,' ...,',','~.. " " I (' \ ';Jl ;,,~ I, I I I I I I ~ It \ ' , ~,' ~l ~ I. r ( ',"::j' .:" " ',',:,"', ':' .', ,~,,::~h~\'i..;' , ',."..."1... ., . ~:..' , , . , "-' " " , ' ' I...... '~\ .' :~" ~ #lOa page 1 Horow/ (#lOa) I urge you to really consider these. They are three excellent commissions. P /R, HR commission and Board of Adjustment. Also on P/R Commission there is one vacancy for a four year term. F102594 o " , ,,", ' ".' ~.,=~,,>-':I~_' ":-~,,o,,\]ji1: " ,.:,1'_, " \. -:,';,' .', ',,:,~r:" . ,:' ,.. ,pp. " . ~' ~ . , :;, .-.,'.' J.:.':;' :';;"-:..,:~~/. \',,'1'.: I I I I I , @ "\- . ,l r.;, !t~' ~~) ,'10'/ "",.",,' ; f, .zm\l, , .' ~' ~. i "-, ; .~; r:"".,.:.. c.., C,"';'\'j , \,,( ,'~. . ,., " <'~- " I' " , \,; F' ~ I'.: \ II I' II.' i I . i I 'I ' I ~1, Ill. I, I, ~lJ., I .Co I.; - . ~ ::: , ,:.,\,.,' . . ~ 1 ..,'; . ;-"'. "t:"':" :'....'\1'. . ,: ,.'.!\ ~ . ,~i , ,',.'.':'- , ',',' ., __,,,,,,;,,;,_,,'." ~:..:.,;:';",~',;;..:,L.;"...;.~.~,._.."...' "..__,..,~~_ . . Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting October 25/ 1994 Page 14 (41 Parks and Recreation Commission - One vacancy for a four-year term ending January 1, 1999. (This appointment replaces the School Board representative.l This appointment will, be made at the November 22/ 1994, meeting of the City Council. b. Current vacancies. (1) Housing Commission - One vacancy for an unexpired term ending May 1, 1996. (Robin Paetzold-Durumeric resigned. I (2) Committee on Community Needs - One vacancy for an unexpired term ending April 1 / 1995. It has been reported that Marc Libants has moved out of state. Inasmuch as his term ends April 1 , 1995/ staff recommends the vacancy be advertised, as a full three-year term in addition to the brief unexpired term. This extended term would end April 2, 1998. These appointments will be made at the December 6, 1994/ meeting of the City Council. ITEM NO. 11 - CITY COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS ~/. I !I' il!1 r b. Consider an appointment to the Board of Appeals for a building design professional for a five-year term ending December 31/ 1999. (Robert Carlson's term ends.) ,AL~~'f(~ bu~J /I{).~ P~Atlud'!.(7.) 1J>> Consider appointments to the Senior Center Commission to fill two vacancies for three-year terms ending December 31/1997. (Terms of Tom Mulier and Mark Thompson end.) Action: , ' f" ; '. Action: 0/Ji!IP,iJ .dJ,#~v 15,'1 j ""tuuu kte- I ~ ~ /Jj;a) ~.~f, /I~,~ ~ ITEM NO. 12. CITY c;ru;~IL INFORMATION. kf; ~~U1"V 0/1 ~ : -}2: j".,.,'.:.""..,'" \, ,",: "',' , , ' ' " , . .,',0:)";',,,,;' , ,''''',' '.,' ,.1" , ~~'" " \ ",',!,C"',;,, I,~ ,'" '.' ',c-, ~) ", i' '" ',i'. ". , "'1",'."'7."':" " . (' A' ""'\ i" ~"II . 11 '~':"~J ' I" .~' ' ..,-,,!' , , 1~~7 \ \ ' ,,~.' ~ Ii , 1\, 'I i I ! I i! I, , i~~' It d::)' : f , " ",e i - ., .; . , " , .~ :t ; '~'t ; . , ' ~ ",'.... '1,'..".. ',-' ," , "~.,. " . 0.""'-":"""":""'" ,::: '.:;__':'~;';':,::~ ~,'';::...;J;',~',;':'.: . , ,.' -,uTI,..",."'.,",,',, ," , " ' , ' , , t " ' . , , ' " ,I #l1b page 1 Horow/ (#llb) Council from time to time does hear from people who recommends the applicants. We really do appreciate your input on all of this but we do ask you to get your input in before our informal session. And for those people who have applied we really do appreciate this very much. Thank you. Moved by Nov, seconded by Lehman. Now discussion. Baker/ Sue, could I ask a point of clarification because I was not here last night. I wasn't here last night so excuse me for asking a lot of questions that were asked last night. On the Senior Center appointments did we-clarify the discussion for me about guidelines for appointments if there were any guidelines discussed for appointments to this commission. Horow/ We didn't discuss any guidelines in terms of the appointments for the Commission. As we know we always look at' the gender balance. We also look for the age. There is certainly an age balance from time to time. But the appointments that came in last night we had four people. Nov/ We had four people who were worthwhile and we picked two. Baker/ Was the decision based on age at all. Horow/ No, not necessarily. Baker/ That is the point that I would like to get clear. pigott/ While we talked about age it was not based on age from my understanding of the discussion. Baker/ So the appointments were not based on age but that was part of the discussion. There was no discussion that any future appointments for that Commission being restricted to a certain age group. Horow/ No. As you recall we just recently did appoint someone who was younger, Terry- Baker/ I wasn't hear last night so I assume that there were four votes and everybody is comfortable with the people that they did appoint. Horow/ It has been moved and seconded. Any further discussion. All those in favor signify by saying aye (ayes). F102594 - ;~ o,',...,,),',\';.."';'~ ,,'.".' -""" "},'\,, " . ,; ~' " , " , '. . o - ~----- I I' e..)" 0" /S' ,'" . };\Tit!l " ; i . '" : '1\, \ I,~, ~ . " . . ,,';',' ,,'..',...4 . ~ 1,-' .... '_,";.,-,..,,~ -, ....'., 1"':",__",,:.-':,;; ,..'.'" '..-' '; . '.;, ~, .' ",. '. #12 page 1 Horow/ (#12) city council Information Lehman/ Last Saturday's Press citizen carried an article about some traffic difficulties we were having out by West High. The impression from the article, at least the way I read it, was that the city was really not too interested in doing nothing about it. As a matter of fact, on October 12 the School Safety Committee met here in this building. It was comprised of three council folks, the folks from the school administration and some concerned parents. On that day we asked the city Traffic Engineer to take a look at this situation and come back to us and tell us exactly what would be best for this intersection. They understand there is a real problem. He is looking at it and I understand he is going to be coming back to us with a recommendation of some sort. ~ ,1 \ Horow/ We have that this evening. Mr. Atkins would you like to give us the report from Mr. Brachtel. Atkins/ Why don't I take a couple of minutes, Susan. If I can just kind of set the stage for this. Jim Brachtel, our traffic Engineer, was also receiving the same phone calls that you all and I was receiving and in the review of that intersection Jim reminded me that we do have in the works right now about a $2.1 million project which will involve substantial reconstruction of Melrose Avenue as well signals as that intersection. That project is not planned until next year. The design work has just begun for that and that is in accordance with our CIP schedule. Be that as it may the issues were such that several council members called and follow up the meeting that Ernie was talking about are there some temporary fixes that we could consider. And Jim I think summarized it rather well. There is probably four options and I am going to summarize them in the order of what appears to be the best solution none of which are particularly good. And that first solution is the installation of some temporary traffic signals and that really involves nothing more than putting in some wooden poles. We would have to have IIGE provide power I stringing a line. We have-keep an inventory, enough signals, for five of them that we could use at that intersection. The second option is a four way stop at that location which I think is rather straight forward. The third is consider some sort of traffic cop and fourth is do nothing. As Jim pointed out to me it is going to be very difficult to make that intersection safer and the primary concern that he has is the hill that you see immediately west of their property. When the reconstruction occurs the hill will go away. There will be a much clearer line of sight. Jim's concern is that folks exiting off of 218 or coming up Melrose will approach the hill and there is some sort of traffic control right over the hill. '. 14:] :~( , i' " I I i I I : I I , I I I 'f' : i n i, , I , , 'i . '.j \~ pi F102594 "'I'" 1'~ )1 !:h, l_ :(-r '~,'r --: ~ .--~ ~ . : ,0 ...J,: f" . ~l' ti~ o ; ~i ~} j ! 0- T~:,~ " (' \ i:1 : I ! : i i I~ I, , , : i , ' ::,\ ~~~ J ~ I , ~ J; l; ~ , , Co \-1 , . '~t ~J 'I ''}'. '. , ~ '., f" . .", ,,,'..~-' ., ,,'. ...-,:...' ",,-. .'-',;,:,...'". :,:;n'; " ~._, " ,,:;': , i', #12 page 2 Potential for rear end collisions can be dramatically increased, Quite frankly certain times of the day, probably not much more than we are experiencing now. Second issue that Jim pointed out to me is that we have to keep in mind that this intersection functions satisfactorily 23 1/2 hours a day. We really have two peaks times that appear to be the problem. In order to make the traffic signal, which if you chose to do anything, work it is going to have to be traffic actuated. That be you don't want those signals on a cycle. If there is no turning movements it ought to be completely green. Well, that makes it a much more involved project. Obviously we have to cut the street to put in traffic actuators in the street. The through land heading east to west for the turning movement will likely have a turn lane because you are going to get cuing of traffic and the same with the other direction. And Jim, rightfully so, said I don't want to tell you that this is going to make it dramatically safer. And he doesn't want to point out a false sense of security about a possibility of installing traffic signals. That alone is a kind of a summary of how he feels. If you would choose any of those options: lights, signals, some sort of an individual directing traffic or do nothing. But there is another issue and that is just simply getting the work done. I think I have to be very candid with you we have four major signal projects underway as we speak. We just activated Lakeside and Highway 6 just recently. And we also have the installation of stop signs, lots of them as you know, in several of our neighborhoods. We are trying to get all of that work done. We are moving along on those projects. Even the installation of temporary signals is going to distract something from some of that work. Not going to get it done. And I want you to know that. Which one we are going to have to pick and how it is going to work I just don't know right now. But I think you havl~ to be aware of that. And that is sort of Jim's summary which I concur with. @" " Horow/ Does anyone have any questions. I have two questions. 1-If I recall correctly if we put the traffic light into permit left turning there will be a no right turn on red. Atkins/ Yes. Jim indicated that that would probably be a likely consequence and that would probably make some sense. Also keep in mind traffic signals and or stop signs are not going to stop the delays. It is just going to control the movement of traffic. That there are still going to be certain delays making your turning movements because it only clear so many cars. So please keep that in mind that it is not going to be a free flow in and out of that driveway. Horow/ I think this is important from my perspective that the no right turn on red will mean that while the cars are turning F102594 ._'....... I>.. v' "I' 0, ]', ~~ I' I " /) 0 .--- ,', j.l.:~f~;;;l ..-"., .L '. C-'1 , \ \~ "":~\ .. I I ! I I ,.( 0 ',"',. ,.----- .' " I '::: . , , ~t II! ' '. '~ -' ~ . .. , '",... . 'r: "',...'",:,"",,'::'., #12 page 3 left there cannot be cars turning right heading from the west to the east and they will be cued back up that hill. Atkins/ That is probably correct, yes. It makes sense. Horow/ steve, have we had another situation like this in another part of the city. It seems to me that we have at ACT. Atkins/ ACT just recently. Horow/ They were coming off I-80 and the speed coming off I-80 and the proximity to the other and we turned them down. Atkins/ We postponed it because there were a lot of other issues that you had to consider plus you also had to get the approval of the DOT to get the thing approved. And we moved it up. They were planning to have it close to their driveway but I think we all realized that it wasn1t going to work. We needed to move it further down the street. We did say no we weren't ready to proceed with that one at this time. Nov/ Does the DOT get involved on Melrose Avenue. Atkins/ No,this is your call. Horow/ I wonder if we could have the principle of West High School address us for a couple of minutes. Baker/ Could I ask a question while Jerry is coming up. Refresh my memory, what is the pros and cons of having an officer there directing traffic two or one times a day. Were those discussed last night. Atkins/ We talked about it, Larry, and frankly as a matter of operational policy we have discouraged that because I get the same request from many of the businesses throughout town and peak hour times are busy times and we just simply don't have the personnel to tie up directing traffic. Horow/ It was in cooperation of Mr. Palmer and I working out these with Mr. Brachtel and Mr. Palmer contacted the University in terms of seeing if he could get a security officer from the University and the university did not return his phone call. So that particular warm body is of unknown quantity right now. Baker/ okay, thank you. Jerry Arganbright/ At first I would say that in all the feedback I have had on this intersection I think the number one concern people have I don't hear a lot of people talking about being F102594 -.. m"' . - - ),,,L " 0 , ... f" . i r l\ ,'. I" ,~\I ' /r.:., 0 '. .,J ~, J:f?"&.i' !: (' .. I~ ! f : I t I I : I I , , , ~ , J .,) ,l r','; I' :, J r (, " ':',: , .' i'i ~ . :,~r',\1 .. , ^ .. ~ '~~, , . .", '..",',-, .-'. , ". :....',.~-'" ",', .....:.;;",'.. ,', ,." . "" .'", ;, , ..':.', ,,'-:,~.' ,",' ',', , . ".., " #12 page 4 late to work or having-you know we try to have some flexibility with kids getting late to school because of that intersection. I think the primary concern that adults and kids have is just the safety in using that intersection and as a daily user myself and I know the parents that are here and kids that are here, when you use it every day you know the danger factor is as significant as steve pointed out. I think there are probably three things that have brought this to focus in my mind today. This intersection has always been frankly a hassle. I have been here ten years and we have one entrance way to our property. It has never been convenient but in the last five years we have grown from 900 kids to 1300. So we have increased in student population in something like over 40%. That same growth is going to continue in the short term. Next year we will have 1400. The subsequent year will be 1500. Again, just because of that we have more vehicular traffic entering our property. The other thing that we have, as you folks know, we have the developments just west of our school becoming more occupied. We have more people traveling east CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 94-124 SIDE 1 is the opening of the entrance way onto the University property going the other direction. Again further complicates the safety factor from about 7: 00, probably 7: 45 to 8: 15. Steve is right. From the standpoint when is that a crisis, it is probably about 30-35 minutes a day. The rest of the day we don't,have lots of problems from the standpoint of the danger issue. But-and I listen to Steve and I understand what he is saying as far as an easy solution. I am sure there is not an easy solution. But from a standpoint as a parent it is a very very dangerous intersection and I think particularly with the winter weather coming. We have had a half a dozen fender benders and I get nervous just from the standpoint of what is going to happen when the weather gets a little bit more complicated with winter weather driving. So from my view it is hard to not think that there isn't something that we ought to be looking at. I am not advocating anyone of these over the others from the standpoint of what is the right answer because frankly I don't know. All I know is for that short period of time I can't believe that there is a more dangerous intersection in this city. Horow/ If the light goes in, do you think that the student body would be able to live with cuing to make the safe left turn because having set up on Galway Hills I am ready to put no U- Turn on Galway Hills. Arganbright/ You won't get a lot of argument for anybody. F102594 o H~__ :: - 0"]','". ,; -- ,:~':';','" -Wr' - -,--,- ' f" . I , ,.. ....... ,"- ." ~ o I[} . ,;;;:r~ " \ .' ~ . "fA" -,\\1" . ',. ",-' ~ ... . .'~,.:'."",::,:~ .~;:... , .".. .""',,,:....:".,...:,,_..,.. ~.. ,'..',...',-, " ,-:',-,'.,' ~ #12 page 5 Horow/ I couldn't believe the number of parents and students doing that there and Walnut Ridge and if they realize that when they come back from west to east they could possibly get rear ended. Do you think the student body and the student senate would buy this and really work on it. This is what concerns me. Arganbright/ Well, there are some people here from the student senate, Susan, they can address that. I am confident they would. The conversations that I have had with kids and parents and staff on this is that the perception is something ought to be done and I think people would cooperate with that. Right ow it is an open intersection and all and it is really a mess. Horow/ I would like to hear from student senate because this is going to take a lot of persuasion and peer working. I couldn't believe the number of U-Turns that I was witnessing that morning. ~ .1 .~'\ , I \ Throg/ Parents and students. Horow/ Parents and students. Jeremy Brown/ Student Senate President at West High and I think basically something needs to be done and in terms of the U- Turn up in the development I think that students in general won't have a problem stopping that. It is not just students doing the U-Turn. It is parents as well. It is everybody doing the U-Turn just for convenience and because they don't want to make the left turn and everyday when I am driving to school I am crossing my fingers saying will I get in here today and so I think this is definitely not something we want to put off until spring especially with winter weather. Horow/ Jeremy, can you tell me at what point does school open. You have early bird right. So are there a certain number of people who are driving early before 7:30. I,~ f , I , I" , i I I , , I , I I Brown/ Right. People start arriving around 7: 00 and I am not exactly clear on what you mean about the cuing of the light. Horow/ I mean stacking going west on Melrose. But what I am interested in is how many vehicles do you get in from the opening of school. Is there a way of having more cars come in before this 7:45-8:15 time frame. , i , , i , '~, , <' : I'" I, ',I \ \ ~.~ Brown/ I know that it has been encouraged before to say okay drive to school earlier and that will take off some of the stress on the traffic. Realistically I don't know if that is really F102594 ;'~;0,',' ~,,(:;. i~ , It i, .- _ _L'f - . .,~-,; 0-]) .:(-;- ~~~ f" '. "",''';'';:'-,'' " Q " ~~ 8 ' !P, U ,/5, 0, ;' \ ::;:,~"'j "t , . \~ r, ~ , ~ , ~ ., .'". ' ~. #12 page 6 going to happen. If students are going to set their alarms early just to get there earlier. I mean, we can push that and we can say that as much as we can but I am not really sure if that would happen. If there is a light there people would follow the light and people would be glad to follow anything that is put in there just for safety sake. So I don't think we \~ill have a problem with students at all following the light. Horow/ Well, it is going to take a lot of work on your part. As they realize that this is temporary, it is dangerous temporary until we reconstruct that portion of Melrose. Throg/ I was just curious. I wanted to ask the question of either Jeremy or Jerry or anyone else. Is the situation worse now than it was a year ago. It is, okay. So why is it worse now than a year ago. Horow/ University. Brown/ There is more students and also with this new University Heights parking lot or road that is put in right there. I mean, if that is put there there has got to be something done. There is an affect that goes along with that because now we have people turning left onto Melrose and people turning left into school and right into school. It is a four way intersection now and there is nothing being done to deal with it. I mean, I assume that with the four way intersection with as much traffic volume as we have at West High there would be at least a four way stop sign there. I realize there is a hill and I realize that there is a hill and I realize that there can be signs put in saying stop sign ahead. r Horow/ Well, this is all scheduled for construction but we have a temporary situation which is going to have to be alleviated. But it is going to have to take some help. We need some help with it. Any other questions. Okay. Joane Margolin/ I am a West High parent and prior to yesterday I had been taking my daughter early to school at about 7: 30 because she is involved in something extracurricular. For the most part traffic was clear enough most of the mornings. However we did comment to each other more than one time look at it it is 7:40 and it is already a mess. But I would like to see something other than the hill and tell you my experience yesterday. I was going west on Melrose and was in the position to make the left hand turn into the driveway. There was a woman coming out from this new parking area. She waited there for a long time as I did while the traffic kept on moving from the west and then finally she came across the west bound lane, d ! , I ! ; I , I , I " ". F102594 '.',',1:, " t;: ~' !' L 'G-- - '.-: - 0__ )'" :-.-- f" , - ""'I I o '" I L !,'" ~ ~ [], ;::~I,.zil~, J~' c-'\\ \ i. ~,~ " I I ! , , I , , '0 ' 1<, ! i I 'I ' : I \i..,~!,' \",,-:--~ ..:1 " ' ,_.-"\.~ .\", ~ . /t\t't' ',"~I, .. .'" , 'W"", , , - .- " ,,:,I"~,' ' ....,'.'.. . .'1, #12 page 7 came up along side of me-I mean she was practically already cutting my car off and I could see that she was going to complete her left hand turn. I was waiting to do my left hand turn and she did just that. She turned left right in front of my car into the clear lane and that prompted me to go see Dr. Arganbright and say because if we have snow and people are doing things like that it is going to be very bad. Horow/ That was a good one. Margolin/ And it is going to happen more and more. I don't really vote for the four way stop sign. I think that that is going to make it-it would be better than nothing but I would like to see a light. Horow/ I guess my question to you is if there are 25 cars cued in front of you in front of a light are you going to be patient enough to wait. Margolin/ I have never made a U-Turn. I have always waited in line. I always wait in that line and I think people will be more relaxed about it. Like Jeremy said at least there is something there to help us. You know that your turn will come. You don't have to zoom across to try to just squeak in before the car is coming from the other direction. It is very dangerous. Horow/ Okay. We are going to need parents to help talking to other parents on this. Baker/ Sue, can I ask a question. I wasn't here last night. So if this was raised last night I apologize again. It is a question for Jerry Arganbright if you have a second here. The question was asked me today and I don't have a good answer but I did say I would bring it up tonight. There is some talk about altering behavior, patterns of traffic, people should come in earlier or later. How feasible is it, I was asked, to mandate different arrival times for different classes. Arganbright/ Not very feasible. We have-there is somewhat of a mis-perception. We have a lot of kids who drive to school. We also have 28 buses. We deliver kids to our school everyday and pick kids up everyday. We are not a neighborhood high school. It is becoming more of a neighborhood school. But we are basically a driving school because of its proximity to other residential neighborhoods. But a lot of our kids do ride buses. You know with north Liberty and Hills and rural areas. Over half our kids do arrive via some bus transportation. Most of our juniors and seniors just like we probably were in high school days do drive cars. The 9th and 10th graders of the most part do ride buses. I was going to say from the F102594 :( 0 - - _._'~ -~ 1, " 0 -. ".-/" f" '. t"'~ IFJ 1::'" .,;r I:, ')b, 0 ~r-:m:tri , , ,~ ' .t\jf , , '~, , ~ . ~ ". . ~I :!-; , -',',',,' ' , '; #12 page 8 standpoint of altering arrival times, school starts at 8:10 and we do have some early bird classes and we do encourage kids to come early as much as we can. Last year R. J. Winklehake who had a kid at West High-I had him come out and give us some advice about how to handle that and R. J. wrote a nice letter that we included in our parent newsletter that went home encouraging people, back to your point Larry, to arrive early. If you come 10-15 minutes earlier to work the transportation is not a problem. However I would say the success of that is somewhat limited. Most people still arrive about 10-15 minutes before school starts which again magnifies the problem. Baker! Do the buses usually arrive about the same time or do they- Arganbright! Yeah, they are all there around 8:00-7:45 to 8:00. Baker! And so I can go back and tell this person there is no way to tell a particular segment you have go to be here at 7:30 and another segment at 71145. Arganbright! Not that it is going to change the safety factor on that intersection, no. r " ( ",\, , 1 \ \ \~ ~ T' i I~ I I I Baker! But if it sort of dilutes the traffic. Arganbright! If that would work we would have done it, frankly, because we talk about options. Barring any kind of traffic control device there which one was just encouraging people to drive and arrive at school earlier. And ewe had frankly limited success encouraging people or getting people to change their behavior. Horow! You don't have a preferred parking lot space. The students. Arganbright! No I don't. The best thing I did was take out the principal reserve sign many years ago and it reduced all the complaints about parking for staff. I am sorry- Horow! At city High the kids like to get into the parking lot and so they get there a little bit early. Arganbright! We do not. If we are able to handle all of the vehicles that we have at this point. , , I ! Horow! Okay. Thank you. Any other- Mary Gantz! I am a West High parent, too. I am wondering whether or not-I mean we are talking about a temporary solution here. This warm body traffic director kind of person would be a ~:' I" i [I ~'~\;,) -', " ; :,,~/,~: .., ~ l_~ F102594 0, ); c---. , "-~------- =- ~ f" . r ~~ I ' >> /s' nO, i:,~~~)j . 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Atkins/ No. Nov/ I am sitting here wondering why not a stop sign because that prevents the cue from being too long. Atkins/ Because it functions 24 hours a day. That is the problem. And sooner or later they will start blowing it. They won't pay any attention to it. Nancy Perkins/ I live at Walnut Ridge. I addressed a few weeks ago about the walkway and I would like to thank you for that. We are very happy about having that done. One of the questions that I have is the idea of a temporary doesn't really make sense to me because you talk about putting something in next summer but what I hear is that Melrose might not be widened next summer and that if it is not widened then we will go ahead and we will put in a light anyway. But you still will have the problems of the hill with this permanent light and that is where I have a lot of questions. How I experience every day this problem. I personally had a car accident there because I want to point out to you that students are not making U-Turns in the developments. They are making U-Turns on Melrose into suing the entrances as part of their U-Turn. This boy was doing that and he did not yield to the traffic stop sign at Galway. he did not realize that traffic was stopping. he banged into someone who banged into someone who banged into me. These kids don't-in defense of them, yes they are compulsive and they do things in a hurry but part of it is they have to because the visibility. So I still am concerned about this so called temporary light that you are going to put in.. But you are going to put a permanent light in but you are going to do that even if Melrose is not widened. Horow/ Nancy, let me have Mr. Atkins explain this sequence of what is going to be happening here. Atkins/ I am not so sure I can. F102594 o , - T" . :~.:-~ . -: ~- )'.' \1"1'. ,,"" ';,;' l - ,0 ' f" , () I c, I,' , ~i\,' i '" ie.., 0 ...., n) ,'" :~.2,~:;'1 .r \ ~ I" . I ~; ; I" ! I , I \ I ~j " :",I~,(j"",( ;, );\1 ,'j I '-., \CO ., ; \ , .' . , . \~. , ,'~ 'J i 'l': , '~' ~ .t", , . :':,,~, ..;.;;~ ,~: _.' ., ,,,,,'a'._.. ..',';,,',.,; ,,'. ~,;;:, ,., -1_,.' .',', " ,......""',...,,..-','..'-,'. #12 page 10 Horow/ Try it. Atkins/ The installation of a temporary signal is strictly that, Nancy. That is simply to take care of the current conditions. When the project would be and that is the complete project- that is the street widening, taking out the hill. The component of that project would be to make that temporary installation permanent one. Now your question about could it possibly not happen next year. The answer is yes. That could happen. Weather conditions, the whole variety of circumstances could occur. But in accordance with our eIP it is planned that we would be reconstructing that hopefully and have it finished this time next year. But there are no guarantees. I can't give you that. Baker/ The hang ups are not necessarily-there are things out of our control. Atkins/ You could have- Pigott/ It is not a political hang up. Atkins/ No. You have it approved in the eIP unless you amend it after the first of the year. Nov/ And if this temporary light is installed would it not stay temporary until the hill is gone. Atkins/ it can stay there as long as you would like. Keeping in mind that if sometime during the construction it will come down because we would be closing the street to do the things you have to do to build streets. Nov/ If the construction isn't done there is no point in putting in a different light. Atkins/ No. Horow/ Oh no. We wouldn't do it permanent until the construction is done. Throg/ steve, I would like to ask you a question about the temporary light. I was speaking with a gentleman earlier before the meeting who suggested to me the possibility-he wondered whether it would be possible to install a yellow flashing warning light on the hill before you come over the crest of the hill. Would that be an exorbitant cost. Atkins/ No, they are not exorbitant Jim. Just caution lights eventually become ignored. You really need to fully actuated F102594 .,: ..~ o~'" ).' ,,::',-:- f" r .t.. " ,) ,~ '\'" I '. () ~. IlJ, ,rri7t~! , j "t .",\1., , , ., . " \ ". - :(", #12 page 11 signal that people respond to. Red, yellow, green. No, that is certainly an option. Horow/ A suggestion has also been made to have like they have in the county- Atkins/ Assuming we can get power to it. And I am assuming we can. Horow/ The other suggestion was to have the bumps in the road, the speed bumps, prior to the hill. Perkins/ So the way I understand this is if they don't do anything now and they say they are going to widen Melrose. Atkins/ They being- Horow/ Us. Perkins/ And the plan is approved and they widen Melrose next summer, spring-summer. Then it will be all taken care of. But if it cannot get done then that means we will go all this year and all the next year without any kind of light or anything. Pigott/ Not necessarily. We are talking about a temporary light. Atkins/ If we were to agree to the light, Nancy, there is no reason the light can't stay through two construction seasons. Perkins/ But if they don't approve the light that means we are looking at maybe two years. , (, '=< , Atkins/ That is their call. Perkins/ Interesting. \ a , i r I , I I' i I I Horow/ Anybody else. Perkins/ I guess I just say that is the concern. That everyone at the school is saying well they are not going to do anything until something really happens and we are going to be really sorry and it might be my kid and that is what everybody is worried about. And what bothered me in the paper was to read that-the people who had stop lights that are being put in because there are fatalities. Well, those happened but really this is a potential, a big potential, for happening because just when we had wet weather one day we had a six car pile up and a car that went into a ditch and fortunately it was just a little ditch because the ditches on the side of Melrose- ~: i I , , , , , , ~<l '11 '/II Atkins/ Please keep in mind that when you install a traffic signal F102594 'I" It '-- 'G-'-~- ..r ~.- -- 0,)" . I , i I f" . li.~' , f"" rUt' ~'N t"" ia: ~ [ I \0 I ~ ~ r. '", rID ._~ ..,; ij.... / " J~9, " I __ ~t '.\'1., ~ . " ,:',':' , '., . #12 page 12 there is an extensive study that is undertaken and that it is done to minimize your liability. And of course you have to keep in mind that Mormon Trek had some extreme circumstances because you had to annex the land. You had to deal with lOOT. Okay. Darcy Koehn/ Another West High parent and I know that you have difficult priorities to set and you have got a number of areas that are looking at these same kinds of issues but it is hard for me to believe that there are as many more dangerous intersections than the one that we are facing. We would like to believe that we would encourage our young people to get to school early but we know it is the nature of an adolescent to procrastinate until the very last minute. It is also the nature of 16-18 year olds to be very impulsive and to make those quick turns and do a lot of darting. So I think when you are looking at the nature of the population that you are trying to protect I just urge you to set this as a very high priority. Thank you. Horow / Darcy, I would just like to ak you something. Now, we recognize what you are saying. I happen to be a mother of a 17 year old. But I hope that the parents at West High will work with the students to realize that this temporary measure before that street is reconstructed presents as dangerous a situation as it is right now. I would hate to have them get into a false sense of security. They are going to have to be very careful. Even with a light. ~' J .-:... (" 1 \ ~ ( II' r I Koehn/ This has been a major parent issue for well over a year. certainly the urgency has increased this year and I think the parent student organization would be more than willing to do whatever we can to inform, encourage and educate our parents. Thank you. Ted Murphy / I live in Galway Hills. And I want to echo Nancy I s thanks for the path going to West High. You have a series of two hills you need to consider. One is between 380 and the entrance to the subdivision. The other one is between the subdivision and West High and it seems to me if there were some type of warning between I-380 and the top of that hill letting people know that there is a potential for danger. Most people that drive it know about it but there is the occasional person that comes off of 380 that still thinks this is a 45 or 50 mph zone. Thank you. Horow/ Thank you. Okay. What is your pleasure. We have got to make a decision this evening. Nov/ We have to decide this evening? " : i i , , , i ~," i: '1 ! I \( ~iIf ~l F102594 }~", i~,:,', , ,> , -- :((-0 ,~. :~_ = T ~-: ~ . -, '-0).:'/ : . f", ['W 11" I' i' o I " I;.~ 10, " \"j /JJ.a ~ . " , :~t, \ I ','1 .. , -, f" , ",,-, ,-- _."'. ;,-":,'.-,,.;. #12 page 13 Horow/ Yes we do. Get this thing moving. Pigott/ I think it is significant enough with the kids in the area to put in the light. Nov / Are we going to decide this evening to eliminate a signal somewhere else. No, I shouldn't say it that way. Reprioritize it and if we reprioritize which signal are we going to ut at the bottom of the list in order to move this one up. Throg/ Based on what we have heard before, the other intersections that need to be signalized are at least as serious as this particular one is. Is that a fair restatement? Atkins/ I think that is very fair, Jim. And we have investment we have already- Throg/ And there is some data to back that up in terms of accident counts and so on. Atkins/ Absolutely. Throg/ So if we choose to move this one up then we are risking harm to other people that use the other intersections. Baker/ Why is it a either or situation. Atkins/ simply because we don't have the staff to get the work done. o r \ \ Baker / It is not a question of money. It is a question of logistics. Atkins/ The temporary signal is-we have a current inventory on signals and we are talking maybe $6,000 total costs. Now fully actuated intersection is $60,000 investment. d , i ; I Pigott/ Is there something we can do temporarily at the other places if we choose to reprioritize them. A stop sign. Some other sort of temporary solution while we put in a light here so that the staff time can be allocated here and we mitigate any chance of harm in another location. I , ! , i I : I ~\\ .." Atkins/ Mormon Trek, you know the circumstances there. NeS, you know the circumstances there. Lower Muscatine and Mall already is already a stop intersection. And First and Mall is a request from Southeast Junior High. Nov/ How about that Lower Muscatine stop sign. That one has been there forever. Is that a problem. , F102594 \, l': :.' " " ,( :: - -~u i~- -- -1'11 ~~~~J!,i " J I Dr 0 :'5 J:.",~jjj, ,;..-1, ""'. 1 r~\ \1 rM : ~ \ 'I i I ~ ! I ! , , i i :: I r;, ~ ~~), m " ~'~"" f't\,:, ~" -! 'I- , , ..-'\ /,,1'" , ,~_. . ,: i . , "t' ,:",W.;, >",.. .>, , ~ "...'f', , #12 page 14 Atkins/ It is not a problem. It is just something that we have been at for a couple of years. Some of the newer council members may not remember we just had a bear of a time getting easements and there were all kinds of environmental issues. Throg/ As far as that stop sign is concerned, how serious is the traffic problem. I mean when I go through there taking my son to city High I don't encounter a problem there. Is there some other time of the day when it is more serious then- Atkins/ No. It is just the matter of the comings and goings of that. If you were to ask me right now which one is the lowest priority that is the one I would take because it already has signing. It is getting cold and it gets dark early. I certainly don't want these crews working. And the overtime doesn't accomplish much because it is just too dark. You can't have them out there late at night. Nov / I understand that overtime at night doesn't work. Maybe Saturdays might. If we have to reprioritize probably leaving Lower Muscatine with a stop sign for another year is not going to create huge problems. Atkins/ Well, I am sure you will have some Sycamore Mall folks here at the microphone some evening. We can handle that. pigott/ I propose that we lower that on the priority list. Atkins/ If you are interested in having it done I need to go back and have Jim redo his schedule. Baker / Is there any interest in having the stop sign as the temporary solution. stop sign set up. Atkins/ I just think- Baker/ Given the two options of signalization or stop signs, signalization is a better option. Atkins/ Quite frankly, the stop sign if you didn't have to deal with it during the other 23 1/2 hours is probably the better solution. stop, go, stop, go and you will clear traffic a lot faster. Throg/ Is there anyway we can put stop signs up and then put a shroud over them. Atkins/ Everyday? Throg/ Just brainstorm. F102594 ,/ --- .,.- .-~ . , - o~,< l"",).,,;, " ....,.,:1"".',.,."", ... ~, o f" '. "",:'>,, v.(~_ r l I " ./ , I 0, ~~~~ ( \ t-1 , ; I l I l \" ~j ~ I.. ~o I, .. ..'., ~ . "f' . ,-',\1" ~ .., ,:~. ,:.i' 1 -.. . t.t. "'..,.'";. --..'"..,,'-...., , "l." ," ,-,'-.- .~,::' , . .". #12 page 15 Pigott/ steve, some schools have a removable stop sign. Throg/ A student could do it. Horow/ We all know that you have to be consistent throughout the city. You can't have people- First of all I take it that we are in agreement that we are going to go with a traffic signal at this intersection. I didn't hear any dissention. Lehman/ I don't think we have any choice. Horow/ That is it. Then the second thing is pending Jim's observation on this we suggest that he puts Lower Muscatine and Mall down. I will comment however that the wiring has already been done there so it is almost like a no brainer to put the final business in. Atkins/ No brainer is a little-there is a lot of work to be done. The guy that hangs from the pole up there doesn't look at that that wa. Nov/ We understand that and- Horow/ At the same time we are doing that we ask that the parents and the students and the faculty at West High cooperate totally with this because it is a temporary situation and it is not being done with any reconstruction of melrose which would make it really safe. Nov / I would like us to say also that if we could put a sign wherever it is needed to say there will be a traffic light ahead and if those signs exist and if it doesn't take much time to put one in. Atkins/ I am assuming that. Nov/ And I would put one in from both directions even though there isn't a hill in the other direction. Atkins/ Give us a couple of days to put something together. Horow/ Jerry, did you want to say something. Arganbright/ I just wanted to thank the council for responding and we will do everything we can to make sure that it is a safe intersection. So thank you on behalf of everyone at West High. Nov/ one more warning for West High. This isn't going to happen next week you know. It will take a while. F102594 - v _-'. ):,,:' "..' .. , ,'~', . . .,:.1' '0,' - f" '. I_.'.'\.'~--"...,;-'. ' I -to, ,;/ ,.J o I 0, J~k.;rr.!l C' ~"\. C \ \, .,.i ''1'''\ ,I " , ' r I I I , , I ., \' , ~ . , ~~;\I , '. \ ". , .' ....,.. #12 page 16 Lehman/ There may be something that can happen next week though and I think Jim kind of alluded to it. There are a lot of places where you have schools or whatever where you have stop sign that is moved into an intersection or whatever for a period of time and then removed from the intersection. Is there any reason why if we provide or could we from 7:00 to 8:30 and the school has somebody put it out and take it down in the mean time. Arganbright/ There is no reason that couldn't happen. I am not sure, just knowing the traffic flow over that hill, if it there sometimes and not there sometimes how wise that is. I am not an expert on traffic flow pattern in general but it makes me a little nervous thinking about it. pigott/ I have driven through two towns every day that has that very same situation. North Liberty and Muscatine. Atkins/ Keep in mind volumes of traffic. I am not-the idea has a quick appeal. I am not so sure that young man that volunteered to do it I don't know if I want to have him rolling that thing in the middle of the intersection. That is a bit risky. He did volunteer. I did hear that. Horow/ Thank you very much for coming. I appreciate your waiting. Mrs. Novick do you have anything. Nov/ No. Throg/ I think so. Let's see or as my son would say in high school da- In the Consent Calendar there is reference to memos about installation of the set of stop signs in the Northside Neighborhood, the Teg Drive Neighborhood and the Creekside Neighborhood and I just wanted to mention that in this particular situation that we are going to be doing that. I am sure the timing of the installation of the stop signs will be affected by ~lhat we just decided to do. correct. But stop signs are going up in neighborhoods. Atkins/ As quick as we can. Throg/ The other thing I want to mention is I had a great time at the Human Rights breakfast a little while ago. It was a really fine event and the people who received awards certainly deserved them, particularly Marge Penney. pigott/ I had four different things, Madam Mayor. The first thing and I don't know if it is appropriate but we heard tonight during the public discussion concern by some residents about three different issues and I think in particular the F102S94 C"_ 0 - T J'; 0 'j ~ f" . 11"'b' p:/J rriff r.f~ ! 'I. }t.. I~. '., I ['1 E~ ,~i~~ 0, JrJiEl ,r~ ( .:\ .-.;... \ \ \, ':~ ".'t\ J " I I ! : I i , If " Iii " , : I i v 1,..;; \"or , , Illl Co . Y j , .' , '" .\\.\1" , , .. , -, . . ,,' " " ,'" .... ,., ,.-, -;.. ". '.. .,,'_..,~ ..' '-'. "-.,...-','. '.-' '.. ,.,,,,,", .. , #12 page 17 increasing costs in town is the overall theme that I heard. Garbage, water and police. We talked about adding police and how much more it might cost. Increasing rates of the water and the possibility of increasing garbage rates and I wanted to say in response at that time and now since it is our time to speak I would like to say in response that the council is fully aware of this and is as concerned to each and every member is concerned about it. And that is why when we do consider the availability of police under the crime bill we were going to pay particular attention to the cost over the long run as to whether or not we do that. In terms of water bills, you know, part of this concern of the increasing rates have been discussed in a number of ways by the council from how we increase our rates and where. In addition to that there has been talk about conservation methods that would help reduce the cost and the size of the facility. So I think throughout our discussions and knowing how difficult the increasing bills will be for the individuals in the city council members have all been concerned about the increasing rates in that area and have been trying creatively to think of ways to soften the blow for the residents. And finally on garbage rates. Jim mentioned it in the discussion a bit. But that we seek to reduce the cost of help mitigate the increasing costs in these areas through increasing our recycling program. Secondly that this process because we are so concerned about the increasing rates across the board we want to involve the public in the process. And when we do get a plan cobbled together we are going to bring it out to the public and the public will have a say in that because it is important and because we are concerned about the increasing costs to the city. So I wanted to respond to those concerns and that to say I think that every council member up here is very concerned about rising costs and we are all trying to think creatively of ways to address those issues. That was the first thing I wanted to say. The second thing I wanted to ask about was a letter we received from the Iowa Festival concerning council approval for use of the parking lot across from the library from June 9-17 of next year. We hadn't talJeed about it last night. The letter was in our packet and I just wondered when we might talk about it. What the procedure would be and- Atkins/ A couple of ways you can do it, Bruno. I have already asked Joe to prepare a memo and it just hasn't come up yet and I am sure you will have it by your next meeting. You are probably better off considering these kinds of things in conjunction with the budget. The same with the Jazz Festival. But really you are quite free to do it whenever you want. If you want to send a message to them. They are not big ticket items in the sense of expense but we have memos prepared for both of those. F102594 ~ !J"L ],',:,,' --,,' , "l -- o f" . - r I t I .{;;, <\./ ...,1 ~ .10, . " ,w,r~i' ,....'. !' ; "0 ' , '.~~ I,~ !,'j ,~ .',. ,',. \ -., . ,..-.,;..."...::. "<.,-1:"" ',.' ....,.. ,..,. ".' ",' ..--,.-,~',.,,;,,~ " #12 page 18 Nov/ We need to find out what we lose on that parking lot. Atkins/ That is what we are doing. That is what is being prepared for you. Nov/ Figure how much the direct contributions. Atkins/ What is the loss to revenue. We will have that all for you. Pigott/ And this was in regard to a permit for use of that parking lot. Atkins/ Yes and the loss of the revenue and we will give you those figures. Pigott/ So I don't know when we want to talk about that. Horow/ I think I would like to see a memo. Throg/ It is not simply the loss of revenue but it is the permit holders. Atkins/ Oh yeah because we have to move them to other places and so the people have to move out. Joe will do that for us. pigott/ And the same is true with the Iowa city Jazz Festival. We will find sometime perhaps to consider the proposal. Atkins/ Whatever you would like. Pigott/ Great. " r \ \ Throg/ Bring your trombone. 1:1 Horow/ You have to also think of any other festival. I I , I : I , t Pigott/ Absolutely and that was one of the comments that I was going to make was that we get a lot of request for help and was received in fact a request for help financially from the Iowa Festival, financially, and we have a request now from the Jazz festival and I suppose maybe we should come up with some sort of cross the board consideration of whether we do that sort of thing or not. Maybe we have had one from past councils but since I didn1t know I think it is wise to- , , I I i i q ~, ~,1 J Horow/ It is but I would like to talk about that during the budget. Pigott/ Finally I had one other issue and it was in regard to our policy regarding diskettes for the distribution of the minutes F102594 "I" ~,', ' .' ;\' ! fi l ,,:r-o'~ . , o~~:l;,i -_:~ ._~~~.-.- ~ . ;.__i,:'" f" . r I () l I:.~ ' 10, .' , " w'lirl' " ,~. ~ ". . #12 page 19 of the meetings and Marian, could I just ask you for a reminder as to our policy regarding what we distribute on diskette currently and what our policy recommendation was in the past. "..- J ~_-".A. \ .. I \ ,~ i:,i':;;;1 " 1 Karr/ I don't have the policy here right now. My recollection is the minutes themselves would be available on Internet and available for sale on diskette for a period of I believe 6-8 weeks and at time removed. Transcriptions would be done, used for preparation of minutes and then not kept on diskette for sale but a hard copy would be made and would be made available. Microfilm for permanent retention purposes and then also available to make copies to xerox. Cassette tapes of the meetings are also kept and are available through the Clerk's Office and can be copied and we also keep the video available for roughly I believe 4-6 weeks. Bob could answer that. So we have the video and cassette. We have microfilm. We have hard copy transcriptions and we have internet minutes in addition to the legal publications. Pigott/ We currently don't put the transcriptions on cassette. Is it-it is just the policy we decided. Karr/ That is correct. Pigott/ Would it take extra time, a significant amount of extra time or how would you measure-what sort of labor, additional labor, would that be. Karr/ To do it upon request or keep it permanently. Pigott/ To keep it for a period of time so that you could, upon request, distribute a diskette at the cost of the diskette to- Throg/ Like for one year. Horow/ Is there a big demand for this. 'r , , I , ! i , I , , , ; ! Pigott/ No, I am sure there is only one or two requests out there for that. Horow/ Why would we do it. with all of the rest of the ways that the minutes are available. Pigott/ Because my feeling is and I don't know the answer and that is why I am asking how much time it takes. If it is not a huge inconvenience then my question would be why not do it. Not why do it. If it is a terrible inconvenience to the staff and a use of time since we already provide other methods then I think we would have to justify it based on the number of , , I If, I, " i I ~ \ ' '~ , F102594 "'~','~,',,". ~t \ I:'! \ ':l iI"" , ,\,'::j -~ ~-' , 0 , , ' -., ~---~---. -= ~u ,~)'" 0, ... -- - f" , ,_.,::;,;.;, ::!' w o I " t ft ' "'1;/5 ' u[l .' .1~;.ti~~, 1'1. "~~W,~ . ~ . " l " . , . ",..",'",'.\,,'. ",'..", -.'..'..:"\. ". ,..:_;L,..,j',,:;,':'...,..-.... - ,'.' ._,~.-_...,~ ,.".,,'.,__c,;, ".':'\_'-",.:,', #12 page 20 requests. But if it is not an increased burden, a huge increase burden, then I would say why not provide it if requests come in and I would like to make that possible. Nov/ Because you can get the audio tape which is to me a better way to do it than the transcription. Horow/ Let's discuss this at an informal meeting. This is going to take some time. I would like to look into it in terms of the amount of requests, in terms of the amount of time it takes. You might be right, it wouldn't take that much more but- Throg/ Having the disks, storage space and having a few diskettes. Nov/ Marian can give us an answer after some time. Pigott/ That would be great. Horow/ We discussed this before. I remember Rusty Martin was about the only one that- Pigott/ That is right. Horow/ I guess I really question with all the ways that we have already got it. Why do we need to go to another manner. You have-you say why not. I think we certainly could look. ,~ " r '='\ ' \~, :II . ,,'" , i.~lt" ; \ !, I , Pigott/ Thanks. Baker/ At the last formal meeting we had I said that I was going to have a meeting with John Lohman of student government as a follow up to our public meeting and John and I met this afternoon and talked for a couple of hours and one of the reasons we met was to try and do-to figure out some process to keep whatever initiative or inertia that was developed on most particular issues that were raised. To follow through on those and one of the things that John suggested and I thought was a good idea was the possibility of the council, instead of us meeting formally as a body with seven people with the group over there 3 -4 times a year. Why not have some sort of permanent or standing council subcommittee representative or representatives deal with city student relations so that the student government of students could know that there is a particular person or group of persons that they could go directly to and wouldn't have to deal with the council and come down here to meetings and to follow through on individual issues and if the council, the whole council needs to be involved then these council reps can come back in that case. But in other words to appoint somebody to be a liaison with the student body and that is what John and I talked about and I' I ! i I i I , I ~:, I \ i' I \' I \\" '\,"~~. ,I F102594 (C-~ ~ __.. ~-lm, ~ ,u- ),',:'.., ',';!' , ,0 - 1 I J f" l!it ~)j ~' ' I ;' ) I~~ ~D, .... ." ,," ::~!~\1m ......~.".~ " ( ~~ r \ \J~ .,... " ''''(- , i~ 'ii j i \, !(, i I' . I: II I ! i i ill : I , 'I I ' , ;! I 'j II [f i ',I" ./ I, , I' II ,I I' \ \ !, ",./ ' i:;v" ,,' "~/~'J' ,t,' >.'; ~ ;,:',11" n'ri' ' " 1/,.\lI,~, -.......-.. .rc 0 ~ \"l . "1 , ,:",\1:, .. ,... ~ . "'.', , '~... . '".,;",~....- ~~" , "."'- ",-',"" .'-.'~'-,.-.;.,\\.......",.',"....' ,., ,':'-",...,'- ,'," ,,' ,..' c,,,,',o.,,,,.!,.,,,,',' #12 page 21 would like to see what sort of thought the council had on that. Horow/ Did John want to do that himself. Does he see himself doing this or- Baker/ He sees the student body president or whoever it is being the liaison for that group, sure. And, for example, we were talking about the whole parking issues that were raised. I told him I had some problem perceiving it being a major problem we need a lot more discussion on it. Let's sit down with a student body rep, council rep, a staff person and talk about it. We don't need to come back here and do it at this level. But the idea being that there is some formal acknowledgement of the liaison between the council and student body on a continuing basis. My first suggestion is have the district representative where a substantial portion of the University is and the student body is. Nov/ I think somebody who is on campus next time. Throg/ Someone else who has a long standing relationship with the University- pigott/ I think someone who represents the district might be a good idea. Baker/ That would be my first choice. But in addition, if that person wanted additional help, that is fine. A person or persons. pigott/ Have the whole council doing it. Throg/ I would be happy to serve on such a committee and I think it would be a good thing because otherwise students feel like they have essentially no representation whatsoever. So I am happy to do that. Pigott/ Maybe there are a variety of ways that we can interact with the student senate. One of the other things that I though about after our meeting which I thought was pretty productive. They meet one Tuesday a month or something like that. Two Tuesdays a' month. One of those could down on a free Tuesday night. Not that we don't have other meetings. But I would be happy to go down and listen to the discussion and report to them on a Tuesday night that we don't have a meeting and if they do if we are so lucky. Baker/ And John talked about that. He would like to see us have somebody down there. This liaison person come down. If nothing F102594 ~ ~ .~ ~."--- - 'o~.i],',,',:,;;: ~, ",," f" , .'_,,"1 r , i l '." I'; 1 [J', ,./~ , , ' "r~m r " r ,~\ r, \ \ ,,~ "f' I" I I I '{' I{'" i . 'I, ! ~~ !,.~~h~'" 1\ ' ~~, !, ~:{ -,- ~L~'~ , , ~ . '~k, ""\ ~ f" . ,t." '...,.:'. ,,:L. fij'l I',' l' #12 page 22 else just listen to their concerns or do an update for them about what council is doing on particular issues that might be relevant to those and that group. So, the question is do we want to appoint somebody a subcommittee or a liaison to coordinate efforts with the students. Horow/ I think we certainly have made good strides so far. I see nothing wring with doing this. If Jim wants to take this on it is fine with me. Would you be willing to do that for a while. Nov/ Sounds like Bruno wants to do it also. Baker/ Let me suggest Jim and Bruno both. Horow/ Good heavens. Baker/ And they could alternate and work out a schedule. Pigott/ That is great. Baker/ I think it is a good idea and I will talk to John and john can- You know, reading body language at that meeting two weeks ago one of the frustrations was bang, bang, bang, bang-we have talked about it now we have done out public relations duty. Let's get on with our lives. The sense that we are not just there for you know the- Horow/ Well, we were also trying to get back to- Baker/ I explained that to John. We got thousands of people waiting to see us at 7:30 and we have to get back for that. And he was semi sympathetic to that. Throg/ So we are a University Student Liaison Subcommittee or something like that, right. Baker/ Whatever, you guys work out the- You all work it out. I will talk to John and tell him you are coming and you all can work out whatever details you want to work out. Now, this is a statement of frustration that I have expressed before. Other council members have expressed before. And it comes after our p.h. process tonight on the revitalization plan. I will say, again, that I think the public was not served well simply by our policy of letting these people present a case and us not responding to it. Now I understand why we have a p.h. I understand it is for the public to present their views. But there was a great deal that was said tonight, other nights, that should have been responded to at that moment. Not disconnected by 30 minutes or a meeting some other time period. craig willis in particular talked about a public F102594 f, I/)~IO - -- -~'-~ " .~ - - ,~ v 0 4) ., ,nm'~~' f'j " . " , ~''':f~,\'\. . ~ . ",' . . .. ~ ". .....,.~" ','C: ~~_:...:: ;:'~..., _.... ,:'..,.,~-:..,:" ~_~ ,2,;.,.. ~:,_" .:",; ~..,. -~l ~..;\ .,',' ." . .' ,'. ,'..'.."..,... ,.-. #12 page 23 debate, a government business debate about the issues and the roles and the goals and we sort of started that but from one side only and we never connect those two sides and I don't say we need to jump into a public hearing process adversarially but there has got to be some better way to handle the debate. pigott/ I have a recommendation. Thinking about it I thought you now one of the points that is a potential negative feeling is to be interrupted when you are on the lectern and talking to us. And if I were a citizen I wouldn't want to be interrupted and had questions shot at me. So maybe a proposal to sort of mediate that affect is allow the public to speak, at the end of that period and I know this isn't always possible so maybe tonight was an indicator by then council members CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 49-124 SIDE 2 That would help mitigate it. Maybe not. Maybe they would leave. Horow/ That has worked sometimes in the past. It depends upon how late you are going. Pigott/ I know, I know. Horow/ And whether or not somebody else has already answered the question. I mean there is a delicate balance between getting into a debate truly with the p.h. .f ,...-~.,.' , \ ~ (T : /~ Baker/ The problem now is that there is no balance at all. Throg/ The thing is we have got to construct some kind of dialogue. Basically, the point where I interjected with craig I shouldn't have done that at that particular point. So-but he said something right then and there that needed conversation. He said something we were proposing to do constituted extortion, right. Now if the parking impact fee was extortion what is the tax abatement. That needed to be asked. Yes there was no opportunity to ask it. I mean I could use similar language as extortion to describe the tax abatement and it would be unflattering, right. , : ; . I Baker/ I wanted to talk to Craig at the end and that is why I asked you can we get craig back up later for clarification on some things because I saw some things that- There were a couple of things that I quite honestly was not clear about because the issues were blurred I think and that needed to be clarified. Not just responded to but just clarified. Horow/ I think there was enough said this evening that we need to , : ! , , i ~' it' ~ :;~I;' )!~ ' ~w, It F102594 :c~ ___ - ~, .- :'."-~ )'" 0.' ",'r . " ..' '. I I , , i. @ I ~!, I"'~' I' , ' ? S. [J, . :"'~, " l\' ,\",\ ,;','-', "",, .\i$l1i1!l' '" "I" " ''",\\',;, . '""~ '. ,... .' , . ''':' , " " . .. .. _'_'.1 :':.'.~;."..:;:.;, -,. '\,';: ;:.,:':,::.1.;';" :::.:!;~~~,,~:.. ~-~::~'.:.'''., ,." #12 page 24 have a forum on that particular subject with the public. Baker/ What do you mean by forum. In the back of my mind is another way to handle this. Horow/ Essentially a public hearing but only on that subject. We had a number of issues this evening that were too long. It was difficult. Obviously craig took more than 5 minutes. No way I could stop him on that and I wouldn't have wanted to. The other people could have probably gone on longer and then you would have jumped in and it would have been a ping pong affect. Well, you can't do that within the context of a formal meeting. Baker/ That is why I wanted to bring it up and is there some other way that we can handle that sort of exchange. A separate forum or a separate meeting. I hate separate meetings but on really big issues a separate televised meeting might be essential. Horow/ Sure. Yep. Baker/ And let those people know. The d.t. people, the Chamber people. Whatever the issue is those people who are concerned. Say all right, we are going to discuss it and we want to hear your views but we want to be able to talk to you as well as listen to you. Horow/ In the interest of the fact that we have some people in the public who are waiting, let's take this on and work with it within a short time frame. .~k , \ ~ (, ' i I , I tJ, Baker/ This particular issue I think we need to come back to it and really have that debate. And that is all I have. Thank you. Horow/ I have two issues. The Hospice Road Race is coming up this weekend on sunday and I am assuming everybody who can is going to be there. The reason I said that is John McD isn't here. And the celebrity book talk is tomorrow at noon at the library. I would remind you. Nov/ Come to think of it the candidates forum is Wednesday night for the U. S. Congress. ! I i I : i ! F:' U ~~ Throg/ Thursday night as well. "" " F102594 (""___ w.. - :\ _.~- ,~:' _="-,_~ ~m,~r- '"ii, .:,',',',:,.".','" '''[, o ' 2r4}' , t ,.. ' ' ';. A \9 , ,I ,..",'. 'f Do /:)i ,"U"', " .,;..-::-'.-,,' ~","'l. ? \ \, ~ I i I I I I I i I I, \( , W ~i f" " ,fC- 0 ., . ';:' ,;~, " ',i", : :', '~ .' ' . , '~, " . '. ':>~\;lI.": , ," '. .1..,. #13b page 1 Horow! (#13b) city Attorney !~. , . Gentry! Just to tell you again that steve and Karen and Terry Trueblood and Rick Fosse and I are meeting with two of the Board members tomorrow to talk about the conditional zoning agreement in trying to work out our problems with annexation and access from the north. I think we will come up with a good solution. F102594 , ,'.. --r 77_J4_~- "- ~,!< -,J . ~: I' , '0 ' : ',0 "..', '~',' '.'1"';::: "'~",,.~)'~',;':; ';,".' \ ",",~t", ",'''f ...~... " ,r,"_' " J ,I . , , I f" '. I i " I I Q : '! l' I L" I I I , ,I.. "'I",' , .- ',-Ii....'::: it. "" '..) '"I' . mO " ,f ," :,.,. .l\1l';m' ,; '.I.."..'.., ~ ,~~ [ \ i.td ., , I I ! I I ! . '~' " ' ; , ' I ' I \ ~~; 'J ~I,' /~ ',(,.r 'd~ '-\, ~, ' . ., ,'j . .':' ~~~'II: " ,.:' '. , , I,. " ~ ,0 '; .:,:' \ '.... . f" '." .,':',,-,..... :;;',:;:'~j-,~~.-;~"..." . .,:.-., ",,,,,". ,.-,'"...., #14 page 1 Horow/ (#14) Moved by Throg, seconded by Baker. Discussion. Nov/ I will start if no one else wants to. We asked yesterday for the contract to be changed to come up with a fixed amount not to exceed $50,000 and what we received today was an amount for $50,000 plus expenses and that is far to nebulas for my taste. If it is not to exceed $50,000 that is the complete package. So what does the library want to do about this. Susan craig/ The Library Board anticipated that the expenses would be somewhat over $50,000 and they have set aside money this year in the gift money that they have to cover the expenses that we anticipate will be incurred during this phase. Nov/ What are they. Craig/ The expenses are things like trips that the architect would make to Iowa city and they are spelled out in the contract that he would make no more than X number of trips during this part of the project. Nov/ Do you have a dollar amount in mind. Craig/ It is spelled out in the appendix of the contract depending on how many- I mean if he makes three trips not to exceed X dollars. If we want him there for four then he would come more. Horow/ In other words city council would really only be paying $50,000. The Library Board's gift source would be paying the extra amount. craig/ That is correct. Nov/ So you are saying it is possible to run up another $50,000 before you even have a schematic drawing. craig/ It may be possible but it is not considered that we would spend $50,000 on expenses for this phase of design. Gentry/ Why can't we just change the sentence to say the reimbursable expenses will be paid by the Library whatever fill in the blank. craig/ That would be fine. Nov/ Is the Foundation at the library prepared. Is the money sitting there. craig/ Yes it is. F102594 - ~n'- _'____ )',',", , , ' \ '" . ,~}: '," 0 \. '." . 'f<I ~17 (j\ v '. " " , "'I' ,,} t. . ~ ..,) 10" .. 'I_ ,~, ."-, ,~ } c~\\ \<~ ~-?" , I ' I ! ' I .1" I I I I I ,! I' , I ,I I , I ,: I ,~:! I 0' i i ,.J ~"."" """ ,( ,( " '~~I' ;' 1(,',1!'" " ;'1 ,~ !1r~"', r,"ift/.i '.~ 1, -.. C' ~ ':, 0 ,".M ., \'1 ~ . ,~,~t:,\'V, . , " , .~... . ,,' ;',,:;: ':';'::,:,~:,~ :~.'/:,.. ''':'' , ",...-:,i' #14 page 2 Nov/ All right. Now the other question is who signs this. We never did decide that. Gentry/ I think the city mayor ought to sign it. It is dealing with land and you don't have any authority over land. You can operate it, you can't build it. craig/ That is a legal question. I understood that when the current facility was constructed that the architect contract was with the Library Board and I assumed this would be the same. But if legal people tell me that is not the case, I will trust their judgement. Nov/ That question is for Linda. Gentry/ You really should have three signators: Library Board, city and- That is the way we did the other agreement with the architect. It is late. Never mind. Can I change this to reflect that. We will type it in or send it off and have him change it. Mr. Jansen. Tomorrow. Do you want to call him. Craig/ I will do that. I will probably call Steve- Gentry/ No-We need to get the signature lines on it too. Horow/ Do you need an amendment for the language that Naomi is asking for that you have suggested that reimbursement would be by the Library Foundation. And is it indeed the Library Foundation. craig/ It is not the Library Foundation. Gentry/ Fill in the blank. Whatever it is. Nov/ What is it. craig/ It is the Library Board gift account is where the money has been set aside and it is sitting there to use this way. Nov/ I guess I can expect that the gift came from the Foundation. craig/ Not in this case. Gentry/ No, you don't need a motion to amend anything. Horow/ There is a motion on the floor- Baker/ Can I ask some questions and Susan, I apologize, I was not here last night. If I ask something tonight that was asked last night just smile and act like it was a brilliant question F102594 r1l'l" \~-~~:~ )'.."..' 0" .,",' :.'", ~rF..." f" '- ., ' " I" .~ " ,-,j':"., ~[t 5;il~,: r', ' , ~- ,,,..----:... " J! -" C<\. '~ I ~ ' , ! i I ' I I, ' 'I I , : i If' I ! i ';, , I' ' [I J ',I; ~," 'I J. --'" ,:,r"o-- " ~' I ~ . '.' ~ r : \' I " . 'q " , ~ '...' f" .".., \. :-.,--"..~" ,,",.,',-, ',,_......'.,'-,,; u ~'.... '.-'_".,'.. -,.-, , ",___ . __,_. .'.'" '..',r._ "':, Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting October 25, 1994 Page 15 ~("J1t4..,J ~f d ITEM NO. 13. REPORT ON ITEMS FROM THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY. a. City Manager. -0- b. City Attorney, Ju, 7k) ITEM NO. 14. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING EXPENDITURE IN THE AMOUNT 33't OF $50,000 FROM THE GENERAL FUND CONTINGENCY ACCOUNT FOR THE PURPOSE OF COMPLETING THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN AND COST ESTIMATING PHASE OF AN EXPANSION AND RENOVATION PROJECT PLANNED FOR THE IOWA CITY PUBLIC LIBRARY. Comment: The Library Board has adopted a written building program and chosen an architect and construction management company. This funding is requested to provide schematic designs and complete cost estimates in preparation for a public referen9um. Action: 71v~ / /3t~ed kt!/ ~ rdt.e-.t-I ITEM NO. 15. CONSIDER AN ORDIN NCE AMENDING TITLE 2, ENTITLED "RUMAN RIGHTS" OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF IOWA CITY, TO REPEAL THE TITlE AND ADOPT A NEW TITLE TO BE KNOWN AS "IOWA CITY HUMAN RIGHTS ORDINANCE". (pa~ ~~ Comment: Council requested that language in Section 2.5, relating to registration fees and certified copy fees for domestic partnership, be revised to delete the reference to specific fee amounts and to provide instead that such fees will be determined by resolution of the City Council. Section 2.52 has been revised ~CCOr'IY. A,coPY of the complete ordinance is attached. Action: J(t'tftt~ ~jtf ~1Id' c 1/11 ..#-M .5) JrjA7'tMt '/0 /I ~M~~ ITEM NO. 16. ADJOU~ii~1 ~p-tf ;j..tl1, - . .. ,',oj"""."." ~ ' ' c " '." ' , I'" ,I r;;, . ,) ,.... ~. - --~- - ~ 4i.... r , 1[1 .' .mi;<g " , j ~ . '\~' . 'I\I!', "i ,',' ". .' .t.".. . ;',"" -::"':,.. "I' ",; " ... ,;."",." 'W"'_ ___."" ... ,,'," ~"".~~.. ",;_,oi;..... ',,".,_ ..,....." ,_,'".'-..., ,...CO--..'- -'~~" #14 page 3 you never heard before. How did you arrive at the $50,000 anticipated figure. craig/ The $50,000 is based on when the Library Board interviewed and selected architects they submitted proposals and based on the only cost figure that we had at the time which came for the building consultants which was $5-5 1/2 million and based on the percentages that we were anticipating paying for this part of the process, that is where we came up with $50,000 and we said we would ask council for the money for those professional fees and the Library Board would find the money for the expenses. Baker/ Refresh my memory on chronology here. When did you go through this process. Craig/ The architect selection process was in November and December of last year and this was a proposal that was submitted through our budget process during the last budget phase and we did spend some time in our budget hearing last January or February talking about this project. Baker/ It was part of the budget that we approved back in January or February. craig/ No it wasn't. That is why we are here tonight. It was not actually approved as part of that process. The Library Board submitted a budget that included this proposal for capital expenditures. J~ c \ \J, " ~'" <"7\ I' 1 Baker/ And the council, you have to refresh my memory again, we said at that time that- craig/ You seemed amenable to the project and go ahead with it and that is why we are here now. Baker/ okay. I am just trying to figure out at what point that $50,000 was not part of your budget. Why we are- Atkins/ Ask me that again. I" I , I : I I , ! Gentry/ I think the reason why it wasn't was because the consultant had to be hired initially to come up with a proposal for expansion and they couldn't-until they got the expansion costs you had to back that into the consultants fee which is a general percentage. So until you got the consultant on board and did that you couldn't back into this contract. ! ; : ", I IX" i 1,01 'I i II I iI, ) ~,~ FF: , Baker/ So there was no way for you to work this cost into your present budget. F102594 t;.','/' I ~ ' , , F' f ,.- .e '~~' ~r ,-~ -- - ,- -'f7 _._~- .- .~ , ),: o. ~.. f" . \ /j , I b " r ; l I ), '10, .--,..,,', ~i.!.t;i!d' ?':'" ~" , ~' [~ nl'~ ;'-( \ f' ! : I I . I I , ! i ; I I I , ' , if: , I ~~ ~, I 1~ i;~~ l_-" ':( " ., \"1 ,". . ,'\, ,~, ~\ 1" . " " .' ~ . ,~' ,',; , ."-, . ,.:. ~~,:~~.":.., ':~,':';.'. ,:: ;,:..;"~,~:,/:',i~I:-;/:.:,: ;;;. ',~. .L.:....:,. ,..' ~:;;;::':.'"."~:_:::if:,' "-_" . ,." ,"- '.' ~'..~" ,," -.,-'; \,,' . #14 page 4 craig/ Well, it was submitted with our budget proposal last year and the city Finance Department and steve decided that they preferred to fund it in a different way. Atkins/ I believe her. I must have line itemed it out for some reason. The library hired David smith to do the study. That study was to give you the various options. The Library Board then reviewed those options and began to narrow them in the sense of making certain selections and I don't recall the specific timing. It is just coming back tome a little bit. And that at the time they, the library, would choose to proceed with putting together a project plan they would need money to assist them in putting together that project plan. This is part of putting together that project plan knowing that they have to have something in which to present to the public-here is what we want to go to referendum for. I don't remember, Larry, the exact schedule and details but it is coming back. I remember Susan and Lolly having a conversation about it. Baker/ All money questions like where is the money coming from and why wasn't this accounted for earlier and why we, you know, you have a $2.4 budget and now you need $50,000 more for this project because there is not $50,000 in your budget to take care of this. Did the Library Board at any time consider the possibility of taking the $50,000 out of the next budget. I guess the city would have to advance or approve an advance on the next budget. Atkins/ In affect that is what this does, it does that. It is just a matter of when YOll would book the entry. If you are suggesting that could the library submit a budget proposal with the budget that Susan and the department directors just put in, certainly, the budget isn't effective until next July. Baker/ So when we talk about the budget in the spring we could if we wanted to, consider this part of. that budget in our deliberations. Atkins/ certainly, you can do that. That changes their schedule then. Baker/ But they would still spend the money now, get the process going on the current schedule but it- Throg/ So we sort of forward them $50,000 now knowing that it would be incorporated into their budget later and sort of reimbursed. Nov/ Really a rigormaroll. FI02594 _--.::r _ JAU. ),':...""" , : ' . " ,'." " .;'....' , ,'" .~ - , 0, o , 1 f" '! . , I ! I " ":--,,, " ..;..'.0,_', I!I 'l,',"~ ;;1,-1 , '" I 0, ., :~w...r~ , i . . / , ' ,'~i \\' " , . ~ , , -, . :.::.\.- '-~.., .',' ...:.,'".~ ..',..,~." ,.-...,;",:'J, .,.' ~' , .,,-' #14 page 5 Baker/ It makes a difference of where the $50,000 comes from. Lehman/ I don't disagree Larry but if that was included in their budget request and we, as the Finance Department, lined it out I have no problem putting it back in. Atkins/ I think Sue is correction this. Lehman/ They asked for it and we took it out. Nov/ We just said we would do this kind of thing when the contract is ready and not right now. ( ,....~~.... , Lehman/ Or when we knew the amount. Throg/ Well, but what I hear Larry saying is in at least the forth coming budget which would be $2 1/2 million or there abouts, why shouldn't the Library Board incorporate $50,000 for this- Baker/ That they have already spend but it would become part of their budget deliberation process. pigott/ So that the consider that. craig/ I would just say that the Library Board budget deliberation process is almost completed. Our budget forms are due to the city Wednesday and the Library Board signs off Thursday on them. So, we have already had three budget meetings. Atkins/ We can amend that by with a memo between Susan and I, if we can make an amendment. I don't know what you gain by it all. Baker/ Because I am also looking at our contingency fund and the possibility that-is it three months into our budget's contingency fund and taking $50,000 out of it. \ ~ I Atkins/ That is a big hit. t', Baker/ Do we want to reimburse that in the future. Consider that in the budget deliberations. Atkins/ We have never reimbursed a contingency expenditure. It doesn't mean we can't do it. I I I , i , I I Baker/ I am just raising that question. It is something to talk about during the budget session in the spring then. Atkins/ The only difficultly-I could say to Susan fine Susan, here is the $50,000 loan. We are going to put it in next year's budget and I won't line it out this time and Susan will go , i : ! I I~' , " I; :1 , \ ~~ F102594 '~~' "I.:';" '~' I ,; " fio-j" t:'", L_, iC_~__.__ ~ ~.: , 01>);, ""'- ,"' , ~3 ! 1'0'" " I I " 9 , /5 ' DO, ~, " ~( (~ \ ,\ ;,~ r r I ~~ , I : I I I : I , , , ' I I~: , I I "~I .~, '.'1" " i\' Kl, i~l [" ',", - ,( 0 ., \",' ',..-', , '~k"I' . 'l',. ' , "",~, " ~ , l ", " ,,,,,,,,':..-;,'-,,', #14 page 6 okay, fine. And it works out for her that way too. craig/ Just tell me which form to put it in. Baker / I guess my concern is I would like to see not just the Library but any department trying to anticipate as much as possible which I think you tried to do your cost and have that part of our budget deliberation and not later in the year come back and ask for additional money. That is what I would like to see happen. Atkins/ I absolutely agree with you. Mid year budget adjustments are always a pain in the next. I don't think there is any doubt about that. I think that Susan appears to be saying that this is the schedule that her Board has laid down for her with respect to how she wants this project to proceed. In order for it to proceed there is an expense that she has to incur. She needs a supplementary appropriation to her budget which you got in the form of this resolution to cause that to occur. If you choose not to give her the appropriation she goes back to her Board and says we have got to reschedule how we are going to handle it. Baker/ I am not saying that, They will get the money. That is not the question. It is a question of how the process works in the spring on the budgeting and we could talk about all of that in the spring but I wanted this $50,000 to be part of the budget consideration for the next FY as well. Atkins/ And then show that as a reimbursement back to a contingent account. yeah, I could do that. I think that is a little extra bookkeeping that is not necessary. I can do that. Baker/ I will raise that in the spring. I didn't want to slow the process down here. Atkins/ If you don't want to slow the process down- Baker/ It is not directed towards a particular department or particular request but to try and anticipate as clearly as possible and not have to go back and make these adjustments. Horow/ Is there any other discussion. There is a motion on the floor. Nov/ I would like to say one more thing., I think the plan that you have approved to build upwards is the right way to go. craig/ Thank you very much. F102594 "... 1 ~r : _~___ ,0,':,)"',,;"':" ~ '-".',:',,'. , :',"''''':'-','' l ,I I f" '"it ,~ Q, ,': \>< 10, " ',,-.'(', 't~','.' ' ~', , "--~,! <,.., ., ;', "" " " , ~ ' , : ':'~~\\i,~' .. . , . , ',,'-, , ,......,-'.:', '",;,' ,','",_.-' ''-..J'',,'.:_., , '~~' ~ ",' " '. . ,,_ '-~',,:.1 ,:".-: .. ,:: ~';,-,:l.,;, #14 page 7 Horow/ Roll call- (yes). '-,. ~;~~ , ...'-',':; \\ ,~ I ~ i i ;' l+ I ! ' F102594 ';':1 --'\ _~(C.-L~-':: -_-'.. ' --7- -____ ~So,l:,,:i _L.:-'------,~,___~',______,_-__:-".'-,'- ,'.." , ' . '~' f" " . ': ;': '; :.,',;' ,...' :~j, ,::,.;,'.' :.-, l~:',\:~' _' '-:"C" .:;:":i n:. ' '; . I i I I I I I I I I " \~;.,;; 101, ~,~', , -,;-,i':J),.'I, ,;,.; 'I' City of Iowa City MEMORANDUM , 'I; 1,-' " "'1 , , , , .. . ~ ~ (: (~ (T1 I ' I I " I fi, ,:\i ~ l~I':,,',',',' for, ' '.':' 1-'1 ii( 0 DATE: TO: FROM: RE: October 21, 1994 City Council City Manager Work Session Agenda and Meeting Schedule ;;, October 24. 1994 6:30 P.M. Monday .6:30 P.M. 7:00 P.M. 7:15 P.M. 7:30 P.M. 7:45 P.M. 7:55 P.M. City Council Work Session - Council Chambers TIMES ARE APPROXIMATE - Review zoning matters - Near South Side - Family Self Sufficiency Action Plan (FSSAP) Library Expansion Project Update Council agenda, Council time, Council committee reports Consider appointments to the Board of Appeals and the Senior Center Commission October 25, 1994 Tuesday 7:30 P.M. - Regular City Council Meeting - Council Chambers November 7, 1994 Monday 6:30 P.M. - City Council Work Session - Council Chambers Agenda pending November 8, 1994 Tuesday 7:30 P.M. - Regular City Council Meeting - Countil Chambers t. PENDING LIST ,I' Appointments to the Human Rights Commission, Board of Adjustment, and Parks and Recreation Commission - November 8, 1994 Appointment to the Parks and Recreation Commission - November 22, 1994 Appointments to the Housing Commission and Committee on Community Needs - December 6, 1994 ' '. ".,.lI1H.~~~~:'-:.-..'..,.-L" '\-:', I , ' .' .,:, '< o~',:":i,;:l"':""'''-''''''-'''''T~:''~~'': I 0 ,.," ~:i;;'~;'::':i,., .;;,,' .., '/ ~"~", " fll.