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REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING OF NOVEMBER 22, 1994
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AGENDA
IOWA CITY CITY COUNCIL
REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING - NOVEMBER 22, 1994
7:30 P.M.
COUNCIL CHAMBERS
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ITEM NO. 1 - CALL TO ORDER.
ROLL CALL,
ITEM NO. 2 - SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS.
a. Presentation of Outstanding Student Citizen Awards to students of
Lincoln Elementary School:
(1) Joel Donham
(2) Justin McDonald
(3) Heather Pezzella
(4) Kimberly Popendorf
ITEM NO.3 - MAYOR'S PROCLAMATION.
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a, City High Little Hawks Boys' Cross Country Team Recognition Day.
November 22, 1994,
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ITEM NO. 4 - CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS PRESENTED OR
AMENDED.
a. Approval of Official Council actions of the regular meeting of November
8, 1994, as published, subject to corrections, as recommended by the
City Clerk,
b, Minutes of Boards and Commissions,
(1) Animal Control Advisory Board meeting of September 21, 1994,
(2) Board of Adjustment meeting of October 12, 1994.
(3) Charter Review Commission meeting of November 2, 1994,
(4) Airport Commission meeting of October 3, 1994.
(5) Airport Commission meeting of October 18, 1994.
(6) Board of Library Trustees meeting of October 27, 1994,
17l Planning and Zoning Commission meeting of November 3, 1994,
(8) Historic Preservation Commission meeting of November 8, 1994.
(9) Civil Service Commission meeting of September 28, 1994,
(10) Parks and Recreation Commission meeting of November 9, 1994,
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ITEM NO. 2 - SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS.
a, Presentation of outstanding Student citizen Awards to
students of Lincoln Elementary School:
(1) Joel Donham
(2) Justin McDonald
(3) Heather Pezzella
(4) Kimberly Popendorf
Horow/ First one is Heather. Heather is a sixth grade student whose
is a responsible group member in school activities, excels in
organizational skills and readily assists others. Thank you,
Heather. This citizenship Award says for her outstanding
qualities in leadership with Lincoln Elementary School and for
her sense of responsibility and helpfulness to others. We
recognize Heather Pezzella as an outstanding student citizen.
your community is proud of you and presented by the Iowa city
city council today. congratulations.
The next award goes to Joel Donham. Joe is a fifth grade
student who is described as an optimistic individual. He works
cooperatively with all students and adults while maintaining
a flexible, easy going attitude. I like that. congratulations,
Joe.
Justin McDonald. Justin is a sixth grade student who displays
leadership qualities towards his fello~l students. He was
elected to be the treasure of student council and one of the
safety patrol officers. Justin has taken an active role in
planning safety activities for Lincoln students.
congratulations.
Kimberly Popendorf. Kimberly is a fifth grade student who is
reliable and a conscientious worker and is eager to learn and
continually challenges herself to think beyond the assigned
task. Congratulations. Thank you very much.
This represents only a roesonably accurete transcription of the lowo City council meeting of Novamber 22, 1994,
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ITEM NO. 3 - MAYOR'S PROCLAMATION.
a. city High Little Hawks Boys' Cross Country Team
Recognition Day - November 22, 1994.
Horow! I urge all citizens to pause and reflect on the efforts and
the accomplishments of these young citizens who have worked so
hard to earn the distinction of being the best in the state.
steve Marsh! On behalf of Head Coach Bud Williams, I would like to
thank the city and the Mayor for this proclamation. It is
greatly appreciated by the athletes at city High. This was
another successful year for city High Cross country, as stated
in the proclamation. The boys have won the state meet for the
fourth straight year. They have gone undefeated this year in
beating teams in Illinois and the state of Iowa with a
combined record of 135 teams beaten and losing to O. I feel
that the athletic teams at city High as well as other teams in
Iowa city are true representatives of excellent student
athletes in the City of Iowa city. Once again, thank you for
this proclamation.
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City of Iowa City
MEMORANDUM
To:
Mayor, City Council and General Public
From:
City Clerk
Date:
November 21, 1994
Re:
Additions to the Agenda
~City High Little Hawks Football Team Recognition Day - November 20, 1994.
Item #4c(5) Consider a motion approving a Class B Beer Permit for Mazzio' Pizza, 1950 L.
Muscatine Ave, '
Item #4c(6) Consider a motion approving a Class C Beer Permit for Fareway Stores, Inc,
2530 Westwinds Drive.
Item #4f(6) Memorandum from Traffic Engineer regarding:
(a) Stop sign installation in Creekside Neighborhood - Addendum #1
(b) Stop sign installation in Near Northside Neighborhood. Addendum #1
(c) Stop sign installation in the Teg/Aber Neighborhood - Addendum 1/1
Item #4f(7) Letter from Christina Randall regarding the Court Hill bus route.
Item #4f(8) Letter from Kevin Hanick regarding new southside development.
Item #20 CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 9, ENTITLED "TRAFFIC,"
CHAPTER 9, ENTITLED "DEFINITIONS, ADMINISTRATION AND
ENFORCEMEtilT OF TRAFFIC PROVISIONS," SECTION 6, ENTITLED,
"APPLICATION OF PROVISIONS" OF THE CITY CODE BY ADDING A NEW
PARAGRAPH APPLYING THE PROVISIONS OF THE TRAFFIC TITLE TO
BICYCLISTS. (2nd consideration)
Comment: This amendment applies the traffic regulations to bicyclists, and
requires individuals riding bicycles to follow the "rules of the road" applied to
other vehicles. This action makes clear that bicyclist must follow the rules of
the road, and tracks state law.
Item #21
CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 9, ENTITLED "TRAFFIC,"
CHAPTER 1, ENTITLED "DEFINITIONS," SECTION 7, ENTITLED "TOY
VEHICLES," OF THE CITY CODE BY ADDING A NEW PARAGRAPH TO
PROHIBIT TOY VEHICLES OR SIMILAR DEVICES UPON SIDEWALKS IN THE
COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. (1st consideration)
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Agenda
Iowa City City Council
Regular Council Meeting
November 22, 1994
Page 2
c. Permit Motions as Recommended by the City Clerk,
(1) Consider a motion approving a Class "C" Liquor License for Inc.,
Limited dba The Sanctuary Restaurant, 405 S. Gilbert. (Renewal)
(2) Consider a motion approving a Class "C" Liquor License for The
Ground Round, Inc, The Ground Round, 830 S, Riverside Dr.
(Renewal)
(3) Consider a motion approving a Class "C" Liquor License for
Pagliai's Pizza Palace, Ltd" dba Pagliai's Pizza, 302 E. Bloomington
St. (Renewal)
(4) Consider motion approving a Class "E" Liquor License for Randall's
International, Inc., dba Randall's Pantry, 1851 Lower Muscatine
Road, (Renewal)
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d, Motions,
(1) CONSIDER A MOTION TO APPROVE DISBURSEMENTS IN THE
AMOUNT OF $8,421,072.77 FOR THE PERIOD OF OCTOBER 1
THROUGH OCTOBER 31. 1994, AS RECOMMENDED BY THE
FINANCE DIRECTOR SUBJECT TO AUDIT.
e. Resolutions.
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(1) CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO SIGN
AND THE CITY CLERK TO ATTEST THE RELEASE OF A PUBLIC
WALKWAY EASEMENT LOCATED ON LOTS 9 AND 10. WEST
SIDE PARK. AN ADDITION TO THE CITY OF IOWA CITY, IOWA,
AND TO APPROVE AND EXECUTE A SUBSTITUTED PUBLIC
WALKWAY EASEMENT FOR LOTS 9 AND 10 OF THE SAME
PROPERTY
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Comment: Pursuant to a Conditional Zoning Agreement between
the City, West Side Company and Smith-Moreland Properties, the
City possesses a public walkway easement on Lots 9 and 10,
West Side Park, Iowa City, Iowa. Public Works has recommended
the release of the existing easement and the execution of a
substituted easement to comply with actual construction in the
area due to amendments in construction plans, The substituted
easement expands the existing public walkway easement area
from ,48 acre to 1.21 acres and allows for flexibility in the actual
location of the public walkway after further development, This
Resolution authorizes release of the existing public walkway
easement and the execution of the replacement easement.
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City of Iowa City
MEMORANDUM
To: Mayor, City Council and General Public
From: City Clerk
Date: November 21, 1994 .
Re: Additions to the Agenda
Item #3c City High Little Hawks Football Team Recognition Day - November 20, 1994.
onsider a motion approving a Class B Beer Permit for Mazzio' Pizza, 1950 L.
uscatine Ave.
Item #4c(6) onsider a motion approving a Class C Beer Permit for Fareway Stores, Inc.
2530 Westwinds Drive.
"Item #4f(6) Memorandum from Traffic Engineer regarding:
(a) Stop sign installation in Creekside Neighborhood - Addendum #1
(b) Stop sign installation in Near Northside Neighborhood - Addendum #1
(c) Stop sign installation in the Teg/Aber Neighborhood - Addendum #1
Item #4f(7) Letter from Christina Randall regarding the Court Hill bus route.
Item #4f(8) Letter from Kevin Hanick regarding new southside development.
Item #20 CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 9, ENTITLED "TRAFFIC,"
CHAPTER 9, ENTITLED "DEFINITIONS, ADMINISTRATION AND
ENFORCEMENT OF TRAFFIC PROVISIONS," SECTION 6, ENTITLED,
"APPLICATION OF PROVISIONS" OF THE CITY CODE BY ADDING A NEW
PARAGRAPH APPLYING THE PROVISIONS OF THE TRAFFIC TITLE TO
BICYCLISTS. (2nd consideration)
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Comment: This amendment applies the traffic regulations to bicyclists, and
requires individuals riding bicycles to follow the "rules of the road" applied to
other vehicles. This action makes clear that bicyclist must follow the rules of
the road, and tracks state law. '
Item #21 CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 9, ENTITLED "TRAFFIC,"
CHAPTER 1, ENTITLED "DEFINITIONS," SECTION 7,' ENTITLED "TOY
VEHICLES," OF THE CITY CODE BY ADDING A NEW PARAGRAPH TO
PROHIBIT TOY VEHICLES OR SIMILAR DEVICES UPON SIDEWALKS IN THE
COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. (1 st consideration)
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Agenda
Iowa City City Council
Regular Council Meeting
November 22, 1994
Page 3
(21 CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF A
RELEASE FOR LOTS 8, 9,10 AND A PORTION OF LOT 15, WEST
SIDE PARK ADDITION.
Comment: The Conditional Zoning Agreement for the property
located in West Side Park, an Addition to the City of Iowa City,
Iowa, creates a potential lien against a portion of the rezoned
property in the event the City exercises its option to construct
certain walkways, This potential lien places a cloud on the title of
Lots 8, 9, 10 and a portion of lot 15, This Release facilitates the
development and sale of Lots 8, 9, 10 and a portion of lot 15
while adequately protecting the City's interest by retaining a lien
on lots 8, 9, 10 and the remaining portion of Lot 15 in West Side
Park Addition.
(31 CONSIDER RESOLUTION APPROVING, AUTHORIZING, DIRECTING
THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE AND THE CITY CLERK TO ATTEST AN
AGREEMENT FOR THE USE OF PUBLIC PROPERTY BY AND
BETWEEN THE CITY OF IOWA CITY, VILLAGE GREEN SOUTH
L.C., AND VILLAGE GREEN SOUTH HOMEOWNERS' ASSOCIA.
TION FOR PLACEMENT OF AN ENTRANCE SIGN ON STREET
RIGHT-OF-WAY WITHIN THE VILLAGE GREEN SOUTH DEVELOP-
MENT.
Comment: Village Green South L.C., developer of Village Green
South - Parts 3A, 3B, 4A and 4B, desires to place a distinctive
entrance sign within the Wintergreen Drive right-of-way, which is
a City street located in the Village South development. Village
Green South L.C, and the Village Green South Homeowner's
Association will maintain the entrance sign, Public
Works/Engineering recommends approval of this resolution,
f, Correspondence.
(11 Letter from the Chair of ICAD Board of Directors expressing
appreciation for support from the Iowa City Council,
(2) Letter from Mildred M, Flynn regarding noise problems in the
vicinity of Ecumenical Towers. A reply from Mayor Horowitz to an
earlier letter on the same subject is attached,
(3) Letter from Jim Glasgow regarding the proposed water treatment
plant site,
(4) Letter from Duane Bickford submitting twelve ideas for consider-
ation.
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Iowa City City Council
Regular Council Meeting
November 22, 1994
Page 4
(5) Notice of purchase of equipment from Central Procurement and
Services Division, This is placed on the agenda in accordance with
state law,
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g, Applications for City Plaza Use Permits,
(11 Application from the Iowa City Astronomy Club for permission to
set up equipment on College Street adjacent to the Public Library
on November 11, 1994. (approved)
(21 Application from the Partisan Defense Committee for permission
to set up a table on November 19, 1994, for the purpose of
distributing literature and accepting donations, (approvedl
(31 Application from the Downtown Association for permission to
place lights on the trees on City Plaza beginning November 19,
1994. (approved I
h. Application for the use of streets and public grounds.
(11 Application from The Salvation Army for the use of public
sidewalks in various locations for their bell ringers during the
period of November 17 through December 24, 1994.
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ITEM NO.5. PUBLIC DISCUSSION (ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA).
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City of Iowa City
MEMORANDUM
To:
Mayor, City Council and General Public
From:
City Clerk
Date:
November 21, 1994
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Re:
Additions to the Agenda
Item #3c City High Little Hawks Football Team Recognition Day. November 20, 1994.
Item #4c(5) Consider a motion approving a Class B Beer Permit for Mazzio' Pizza, 1950 L.
Muscatine Ave.
Item #4c(6) Consider a motion approving a Class C Beer Permit for Fareway Stores, Inc,
2530 Westwinds Drive.
Item #4f(6) Memorandum from Traffic Engineer regarding:
(a) Stop sign installation in Creekside Neighborhood. Addendum #1
(b) Stop sign installation in Near Northside Neighborhood. Addendum #1
(c) Stop sign installation in the Teg/Aber Neighborhood. Addendum 1t1
Item #4f(7) Letter from Christina Randall regarding the Court Hill bus route.
Item #4f(8) Letter from Kevin Hanick regarding newsouthside development.
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Item #20 CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 9, ENTITLED "TRAFFIC,"
CHAPTER 9, ENTITLED "DEFINITIONS, ADMINISTRATION AND
ENFORCEMEf\JT OF TRAFFIC PROVISIONS/" SECTION 6, ENTITLED,
"APPLICATION OF PROVISIONS" OF THE CITY CODE BY ADDING A NEW
PARAGRAPH APPLYING THE PROVISIONS OF THE TRAFFIC TITLE TO
BICYCLISTS. (2nd consideration)
Comment: This amendment applies the traffic regulations to bicyclists, and
requires individuals riding bicycles to follow the "rules of the road" applied to
other vehicles. This action makes clear that bicyclist must follow the rules of
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Item #21 CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 9, ENTITLED "TRAFFIC,"
CHAPTER 1, ENTITLED "DEFINITIONS," SECTION 7,' ENTITLED "TOY
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Iowa City City Council
Regular Council Meeting
November 22, 1994
Page 5
ITEM NO.6. PLANNING AND ZONING MATTERS.
a. Consider setting a public hearing for December 6, 1994, on an amend-
ment to the Zoning Ordinance changing the use regulations of RM-12
zoned properties located generally along Fairchild and Davenport Streets
between Dubuque Street and Dodge Street, and in the 200 block along
Bloomington Street from RM-12, Low Density Multi-Family Residential
to RNC-12, Neighborhood Conservation Residential.
Comment: At its November 3, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning
Commission, by a vote of 4-0, recommended approval of rezoning an
area located generally along Fairchild and Davenport Streets between
Dubuque Street and Dodge Street, and in the 200 block along Blooming-
ton Street, excepting RM-44 zoned properties along Dubuque Street,
from RM-12 to RNC-12. The Commission's recommendation is
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Zone (CB-5l,
Comment: At its October 20, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning
Commission, by a vote of 6-0, recommended amendments to the Zoning
Ordinance to prohibit access to parking areas from the street in the CB-5
zone, and to require that at least 50 percent of the ground floor area be
used for commercial use.
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November 22, 1994
Page 6
c, Public hearing on an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance to
change the use regulations of a 5,52 acre property located east of
Waterfront Drive and the CRANDIC Railroad right-of-way from CI-1,
Intensive Commercial, to CC-2, Community Commercial, (REZ94-001 0)
Comment: This item was deferred from the November 8 Council
meeting. The applicant has submitted a revised plan which no longer
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in the original Conditional Zoning Agreement. If the revised plan is to be
approved by the Council, the alternative Conditional Zoning Agreement,
item d. below, would need to be approved, and item e., the original
ordinance and associated Conditional Zoning Agreement, would need to
be voted down, The alternative plan and Conditional Zoning Agreement
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ITEM NO. 64. Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance
to change the use regulations of a 5.52 acre
property located east of Waterfront Drive and the
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commercial, to CC-2, community Commercial. (REZ94-
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Horow/ Moved by Nov, seconded by pigott. Any discussion.
Kubby / Can we see the two plans up so people can see the two
alternates and which one passes and doesn't passes.
Franklin/ This is the first plan which is the subject of item e.
and basically calls for the vacation and closing of Waterfront
Drive through the site.
Kubby/ will you point to where that is on the map. Sometimes it is
kind of hard to see the first time you look at something like
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Horow/ Handy dandy laser.
Franklin/ This is the area where we would vacate Waterfront Drive.
This is the new site plan and it calls for a continuation of
Stevens and a 90 degree intersection with the RR tracks and
then continuing south abutting the site of the HyVee
development down along the existing alignment of waterfront
drive. This is the conditional zoning agreement which is the
subject of your p.h. tonight and a subject of item #9 which is
here for first consideration.
Horow/ Item d. You are looking at it upside down.
Franklin/ What did I say.
Horow/ #9.
Franklin/ I did? okay.
Horow/ Any questions. All right. Roll call- (yes). Okay, first
consideration passes, 7-1. 7-0, I'm sorry.
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ITEM NO. 6e. Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance
to change the use regulations of a 5.52 acre
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0010) (Pass and adopt)
Horow/ We must merely bring up and vote down. Moved by Nov,
seconded by Lehman. Any discussion.
Kubby/ I said this last night but I want to say it again. When we
have an ordinance we have three meetings where we vote on it
and sometimes it seems like a waste of time and here is one
instance where we would have passed and adopted this if we
only had two readings of an ordinance. But some new ideas came
in and we found a better solution for an area. So it points to
me how valuable three different readings are.
Horow/ Roll call- (no). Okay. It has been defeated.
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November 22, 1994
Page 7
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Public hearing on an ordinance vacating a portion of Waterfront Drive
located southeast of the CRANDIC Railroad right-of-way. (VAC94-
0006)
Comment: At its October 6, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning
Commission, by a vote of 4-0, recommended approval of the vacation
of a portion of Waterfront Drive located southeast of the CRANDIC
Railroad right-of-way subject to certain conditions. The Commission's
recommendation is consistent with the staff recommendation contained
in the staff report dated October 6, 1994, No comments were received
on this item at the November 8, 1994, public hearing, which was
continued to November 22, 1994, If the alternative conditional zoning
agreement with Hy-Vee Food Stores, Inc. is approved, this vacation
should be withdrawn,
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g, Public hearing on an amendment to the Comprehensive Plan to change
the land use map designation of property located east of Harlocke Street
from 16-24 dwelling units per acre to 2-8 dwelling units per acre. cruel/.;)
Comment: At its May 5, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning
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approval of the amendment of the Comprehensive Plan land use map
designation of the subject property from 16-24 dwelling units per acre
to 2-8 dwelling units per acre, The Commission's recommendation is
consistent with the staff recommendation contained in the staff
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the previous public hearings on this item, The public hearing for items
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ITEM NO. 6q. Public hearing on an amendment to the Comprehensive
Plan to change the land use map designation of
property located east of Harlocke street from 16-24
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Horow/ council we will open the p.h. and close this. Entertain the
motion to refer back to P/z Commission.
Kubby/ Are we going to withdraw.
Woito/ No. r would suggest a motion to refer items g. through p. to
P/Z. The entire ball of wax.
Horow/ Moved by Kubby, seconded by pigott to refer items g. through
p. to P/ Z Commission. Any discussion. That was great. All
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November 22, 1994
Page 8
i. Public hearing on an amendment to the Comprehensive Plan to change
the land use map designation of property located on the north side of
Highway 1 West from 8 - 16 dwelling units per acre to 2-8 dwelling
units per acre. (~)
Comment: At its May 19, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning
Commission, by a vote of 6-0-1, with Dierks abstaining, recommended
approval of the amendment of the Comprehensive Plan land use map
designation of the subject property from 8-16 dwelling units per acre to
2-8 dwelling units per acre, The Commission's recommendation is
consistent with the staff recommendation contained in the staff
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hearing on this item was continued to November 22, 1994,
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Residential. IREZ93-00071
Comment: At its May 21, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning
Commission, by a vote of 4-2-1, with Scott and Jakobsen voting no and
Dierks abstaining, recommended approval of rezoning four acres of land
located east of Harlocke Street from RM-44 to RS-5. The Commission's
recommendation is consistent with the staff recommendation contained
in the staff memorandum dated May 5, 1994, Comments were received
at the previous public hearings on this item and the October 11, 1994,
public hearing was continued to November 22, 1994, A protest petition
has been submitted and thus a three-fourths majority (6 of 7 members)
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Multi-Family Residential, to RS-5, Low Density Single-Family Residential.
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changing the use regulations of an approximate 11.5 acre tract of land,
known as the Ruppert tract, located generally north of Highway 1 West
from RM-44, High Density Multi-Family Residential, to RS-a, Medium
Density Single-family Residential. (REZ93-00071
Comment: At its May 19, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning
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approval of a City-initiated application to rezone an approximate 11,5
acre tract of land located generally north of Highway 1 West from RM-
44 to RS-a, The Commission's recommendation is generally consistent
with the staff recommendation contained in the staff memorandum
dated May 5, 1944, Comments were received at the previous public
hearings on this item, and the October 11, 1994, public hearing was
continued to November 22, 1994. A protest petition has been submit-
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November 22, 1994
Page 10
0, Public hearing on an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance by
changing the use regulations of an approximate two acre tract of land
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located generally on the west side of Harlocke Street from RM-44 to RS-
5, The Commission's recommendation is consistent with the staff
recommendation contained in the staff memorandum dated May 5,
1994. Comments were received at the previous public hearings on this
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November 22, 1994
Page 11
q. Consider an amendment to City Code Section 14-6E-2, Neighborhood
Commercial Zone (CN-11, to allow restaurants as provisional uses or by
special exception with specific restrictions, and car washes by special
exception with specific restrictions, (First consideration)
Comment: At its October 6, 1994/ meeting, the Planning and Zoning
Commission, by a vote of 4-0, recommended that in the eN-1 zone: 1)
dwelling units continue to be permitted by special exception, 2)
restaurant uses of 2,500 square feet or less be permitted as provisional
uses, 3) restaurant uses of more than 2/500 square feet be permitted
only by special exception, 4) in no case would restaurant floor area
usage exceed 20 percent of the total commercial floor area within a CN-
1 zone, and 5) car washes be permitted by special exception, provided
the car wash is restricted to one bay and is an accessory use to a filling
station. The Commission's recommendation is consistent with the staff
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1994. No comments were received at the November 8, 1994, public
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r. Consider amendments to City Code Section 14-68-2 and Section 14-6E-
8 to permit restaurant carry-out uses in the CB-1 0 zone. (First consider-
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Comment: At its meeting on November 3, 1994, the Planning and
Zoning Commission, by a vote of 5-0/ recommended approval of an
ordinance to amend City Code Sections 14-68-2 and 14.6E-8 to permit
restaurant carryout uses in the C8.1O zone, This recommendation was
consistent with the proposed amendments presented in the staff
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the November 8, 1994, public hearing on this item.
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ITEM NO. 6q. Consider an amendment to city Code section i4-6E-2,
Neighborhood Commercial Zone (CN-i), to allow
restaurants as provisional 'uses or by special
exception with specific restrictions, and car
washes by special exception with specific
restrictions. (First consideration)
Horow/ Moved by Pigott, seconded by Throg. Discussion.
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zone a little more flexible without detracting from the
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big. So, I will support it.
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section of the City Code, as proposed by the Neighborhood Open Space
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ITEM NO. 68. Consider amendments to the Zoning ordinance,
section 14-6N-l, Off-Street Parking Requirements,
to require parking 'spaces for commercial uses in
the Central Business Support Zone (CB-5). (Second
consideration)
Horow/ Moved by Baker, seconded by Nov. Any discussion.
Kubby/ I voted no on this'last time and I will continue to vote no
on it. Very briefly, it is with the South of Burlington things
and because I won't support a tax abatement in the commercial
area and all of these decisions are a package, I will be
voting no on all the commercial changes for South of
Burlington.
Horow/ Anyone else. Roll call-Second consideration passes, 5-2,
Lehman and Kubby voting no.
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ITEM NO. 6u. Consider an ordinance amending Title 14, Chapter 7,
"Land SUbdivisions," of the city Code by adding a
new article D entitled "Dedication of Land or
Payment of Fees in Lieu of Land for Neighborhood
Open Space." (Pass and adopt)
Horow/ Moved by Kubby, seconded by Nov. Comments.
Lehman/ Well, since this is the last time I have a chance to talk
about it because we are going to pass it, I cannot support
this. This council prides itself and we go on and on and on
about affordable housing. This is one thing that absolutely
does not improve affordable housing. It costs us more money to
build because developers are going to be required to pay money
or dedicate land in the city. currently developers have been
giving land for the most part. It has been working very very
well. It appears to me that if it isn't broke, we don't fix
it. We also, at this particular point in time, really have a
problem in just maintaining the park land that we already
have. We are going to be adding to the amount of park land
that we already have, adding to the cost it takes to maintain
it and I just don't think this is a good idea.
Kubby / You know, when developers began voluntarily consistently
giving land it was because this was pending and the amount of
land they gave and the process we went through was as if this
ordinance were in place.
Lehman/ In other words, it is working.
Kubby/ Well, if the ordinance is not there and there is no pending
ordinance, I don't think the negotiations will be there in the
same way. So I am saying the negotiations have been happening
smoothly because of the pending status of this ordinance.
Lehman/ I don't necessarily agr.ee with that. The coalition is
broken.
KUbby/ It will come and go.
Throg/ I guess I would like to say briefly that this ordinance
carries out and implements a plan that was initiated, the
Neighborhood Open Space Plan that was initiated several years
ago by previous councils. So it is a pleasure to kind of join
with them in 'furthering the opportunities for people to have
parks in neighborhoods.
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November 22, 1994
Page 13
v. Consider an amendment to Title 14; Unified Development Code, Chapter
7, Land Subdivisions, by amending Article A of the City Code to require
review and approval of the division of land prior to recording. (Pass and
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adjustments) to be administratively reviewed and approved by the City
prior to recording, The Commission's recommendation is consistent
with the staff recommendation as stated in the staff memorandum dated
September 9, 1994. No comments were received at the Council's
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Green, Part XIII, including a resubdivision of a portion of Village Green,
Part III, an 11.57 acre, 17 lot residential subdivision located east of
Wellington Drive, (SUB94-0013)
Comment: At its November 3, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning
Commission, by a vote of 5-0, recommended approval of a preliminary
and final plat of Village Green, Part XIII, including a resubdivision of a
portion of Village Green, Part III, subject to City Attorney approval of
legal papers, including a sanitary sewer agreement, and Public Works
Department approval of construction plans. The legal papers have been
approved by the City Attorney's office, Construction plans have been
approved by the Public Works Department,
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November 22, 1994
Page 14
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City's south wastewater treatment plant site to P, Public. (REZ94-
00051 (Pass and Adopt)
Comment: At its August 4, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning
Commission, by a vote of 6-0, recommended approval of rezoning the
south wastewater plant treatment site to P, Public, subject to approval
by the City Development Board of annexation of the property to the City
of Iowa City, Iowa, The Commission's recommendation is consistent
with the staff recommendation in the staff report dated April 21, 1994.
Public comments were received at the Council's September 13, 1994,
public hearing on this item. Attheir October 17, 1994, meeting, the City
Development Board deferred action on this item to their November 9,
1994, meeting, This item was deferred from the October 25, 1994,
Council meeting,
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access to the South Wastewater Treatment Plant Site and to restrict the
use of Nursery Lane.
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meeting of the City Council and staff recommends it be deferred
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to provide a north access to the South Wastewater
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Nursery Lane.
Horow/ Chair would entertain a motion to withdraw. On October 28 I
sent a letter to the Chair of the Johnson county Board of
Supervisors definitely stating that formally and informally
the city council has now expressed formally to Johnson county
Board of supervisors that we wish to confirm-that we will
comply with the conditional zoning agreement even after
annexation of the South Wastewater treatment site. In all
respects concerning the city'S recreational park site plans,
use of county roads and providing access to the proposed
soccer fields from the north. So the Chair would entertain a
motion to withdraw this. Moved by Lehman, seconded by Throg.
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November 22, 1994
Page 15
ITEM NO.7- PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED RATE INCREASE FOR WATER AND
WASTEWATER FEES.
Comment: This public hearing is being continued from the City Council
meeting of November 8, 1994 to receive public comment for or against the
proposed water and wastewater fee rate increase, Water fees are proposed
to increase by 40% and 75% for bills issued on or after February 1, 1995
and 1996, respectively, Wastewater fees are proposed to increase by 35%
and 40% for bills issued on or after March 1, 1995 and 1996, respectively,
Water and wastewater rates were last increased in 1991. The proposed
increases are needed ,to comply with existing federal standards and in
planning to construct a new water treatment facility at a cost of $50 million
and make improvements to double the treatment capacity of the existing
south wastewater treatment plant at a cost of $16.4 million and construct'
a sewer line to connect the two wastewater treatment plants at a cost of
$25,7 million.
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The impact to the average residential user (750 cubic feet usage per monthl
is an increase from $38 per month to $48 per month in the first year and an
increase to $70 per month in the second year. The minimum bill currently is
$23 per month and will increase to $27 hth ~~30 per month in the
first and second year, respectively. ~ '
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first year and 75% the second year, effective for bills issued on or after
March 1, 1995, and for wastewater, 35% the first year and 40% the second
year, effective for bills issued on or after March 1, 1995. The rate increases
as proposed will be applied as a flat increase across-the-board to all existing
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ITEK NO. 7 - PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED RATE INCREASE FOR
WATER AND WASTEWATER FEES.
Horow/ Council's intention is not to vote this evening. We will not
be voting this evening. Again, when we open the p.h. I will
ask you to state your name, limit your, remarks to five
minutes. If you intend to have someone else defer to you I
would like,to know who those people are to give you more than
five minutes. But I will be timing you. The p.h. is being
continued from our November B meeting for the proposed water
and wastewater rate ,increase. I declare the p. h. open.
Ed Barker/ Mary Lorenzen and Deb Skubal would like to yield each
five minutes.
Horow/ Okay.
KUbby/ Interesting new process.
Horow/ Could I see them please. Thank you very much. I am running
a tight ship tonight, folks.
Ed Barker/ I live off of Linder Road, Iowa City. A slumbering giant
is awakening with a roar which is building to a crescendo in
Iowa City as more and more citizens express their concern
about the horrendous increase in water rates being proposed by
the City of Iowa City. And if this isn't bad enough, consider
the surprise we received at the council work session last
night when the proposal was made prepared by city staff at the
request, I suspect, of one or more council members to shift
some of the burden of the increase from single family
dwellings where on average more of the affluent people live to
multiple dwellings of five or more units where more of the
less affluent people live. This proposal includes increasing
the cost of the water usage, a portion of our city utility
bill that exceeds 3,000 cubic feet by 219%. Some people think
maybe the train has already left the station. That may well be
but it hasn't reached its destination yet. Therefore, my
answer is that it is time to saddle up the horses, cut the
train off at the pass, and switch to a track going to a
different destination. Tonight I am representing my wife,
myself, and the people who live in our apartments. However,
these remarks have the support of the Greater Iowa City
Apartment Association, the Tenant Landlord Association,
primarily a tenant advocate group, and the student governing
body at the University. These groups represent approximately
10,000-15,000 people who will be directly affected by the
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increase in water rates. I am not here to complain but rather
to be part of the decision making process to help develop a
solution that will provide ample safe water at a cost that is
affordable. It is time for us as citizens to take a firm stand
to control spiraling costs associated with governmental
services. The water rate issue is a good place to start. It is
also a time that the council and staff listen carefully to
these concerns and join with us in a concerted effort to
arrive at a reasonable solution to the broader issue. The
proposed water rate increase is a major topic of discussion
among the citizenry and they are not happy about it nor do
they understand the necessity of such an expensive project.
Let me make it clear that I am not an engineer, a water
specialist, not a consultant. I do know, however, that when a
major cost to families, individuals, businesses and industries
is to more than double over 13 months period of time and
perhaps some there after if there are cost overruns, there
are, without a doubt, acceptable alternatives. These
alternatives must be studied carefully utilizing a variety of
consultants, the level headed advice of the public,
governmental regulations and other sources of available
information. Let us take a brief look at some of the things
that must now be considered. First we need to analyze what
happened on November a and realize the=at there is a
significant likelihood that federal unfunded mandates will be
modified. At a recent conference of mayors a rollback of these
mandates was a major topic of conversation. As a matter of
fact the first thing that one of the leaders of this group in
a media interview talked about was the water quality mandate.
Also some senate leaders have suggested as recently as
yesterday that all federal unfunded mandates be abolished.
Perhaps we need to hold tight and relax a bit to see how this
unfolds in the 104th Congress. Second, if a new water plant is
constructed at the current proposed site the water level of
the river would be dependent on the stability of the dam at
the Iowa River Power Restaurant to maintain an adequate water
level in the river. +f this dam should fail and it is my
understanding that it is in a deteriorating state and is not
maintained in the same manner as the Burlington Street dam,
there could be a significant cost for maintenance and repairs.
Third, it has come to my attention that there are alternative
reasonable locations that would be less expensive to develop
one of which is located south of I-aD. Going north of I-aD
will not only be expensive due to the necessity of drilling
under the highway but also adds a considerable amount of
unnecessary distance to pump the water and to establish sewer
lines. If a plant is built on the proposed site we ~lould
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probably be the only town in the'united states with a water
plant at a busy exit of,a major interstate. Another site that
perhaps is viable, but I don't know for,sure, would be the
Coralville reservoir as suggested in a recent Press citizen
letter to the editor. Although 'it is located north of I-SO,
not having to maintain the'dam located near the Iowa River
Power Restaurant would perhaps offset the cost of drilling
under I-SO and additional 'pumping costs. That solution would
certainly insure a stable water supply. ' Fourth, for some
reasqn or other the pipeline owner by the Williams Brothers
Pipeline company does not sh9W up on the city site maps of the
proposed water treatment plant. This. pipeline should
definitely be a concern to all of us. Williams Brothers know
that, this line could spring a ieak at any place, at any time.
Why else would they have regular patrols of the entire length
of this 30 year old pipeline. Relocating the pipeline would be
a significant add~d cost to the project as there would not
only be construction and removal costs but perhaps easement
costs as well. Fifth, everything that I have read with regard
to the proposed water plant leads me to the conclusion that
the city is requesting an inordinately large amount of land
for the project. Only the minimum amount of land required by
federal standards 'for .the type of water plant under
consideration should' be purchased. No money from water rates
or any'other source earmarked for,the water plant should be
spent on anything not germane to the water plant. Not one
dollar. Cedar Rapids is currently constructing a water
treatment pl~nt with a capacity of 20 million gallons a day at
a cost of $35 million which could be expanded to 60-S0 million
gallons per day. There is a good possibility the total cost
will be under budget. It is built on SO acres of land that
cost $196,000. Their water rates are being increased
approximately 10% per year for a period of S-9,years. We want
to build a $50 million plant on 22S acres 'with a capacity of
16 million gallons per day with water rates more than doubling
rather 'quickly. currently we are using, an average of 6.7
million gallons per day with anticipated growth over the next
20 years'to an average of 11.15 million gallons. The maximum
pumped on anyone given day up' to the present time has been
approximately 10.5 million gallons. The 16 million gallons per
day capacity for a new, plant seems to be'reasonable. There are
perhaps other considerations that I am not aware of but based
on this factual information what conclusions can we draw other
than we can make significant reductions in overall costs of a
new water plant. sixth, as you know there is considerable
concern among people living north of the interstate about what
will happen to their wells if the water plant is built on the
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proposed site. They are' all dependent on individual or
community wells. In a dry year where will they be if a
significant number of wells fail due to the pumping by the
city. Yes, we know if that happens the city is responsible for
the damage done. This brings up two concerns. One, it will
take months if not years to develop a permanent solution. What
will these people do in the short term, bath in the river.
Second, the lowering of the water level in the wells could
serve as a rationale for the city' to annex the area even
thought most of the people are perfectly satisfied and prefer
to live in the county. Seventh, maybe the Iowa city water
doesn't always taste as good as we would like and on occasion
has a slightly higher level of impurities than is acceptable
at today's standards. But surely there is a less expensive
solution. Perhaps our water purity problems are perceived
rather than real. If it was just a taste problem it would be
a lot more economical to drink bottled water. Probably less
than 3%, of our water is actually consumed by individuals. I
realize that we cannot have two water systems but surely we
don't need to spend $50 million to build an acceptable water
plant. Many industries are responsible for cleaning up land
and water they contaminate. If entities other than cities were
responsible for cleaning up the water the, agriculture and
manufacturing industries contaminate with chemicals and other
pollutants, perhaps we would ,not use-need well. Eight, if the
water plant is not significantly scaled back the cost of
governmental services, including the city of Iowa city, the
Iowa city Community school District, Johnson county and the
state legislature, will during 1994-1995 and 1996 increase
anywhere between $40 and $50 per month per rental unit. Some
people have figured up to $70. I mentioned the state
legislature because of their unfair property tax system that
financially penalizes people who live in rental units and
rewards those living ,in individually owned homes through the
very regressive taxing system called the rollback. If you
don't take a stand against the proposed excessive water rate
increase, if you don't take a stand against the regressive
rollback system and if you don't ma)ce every effort to control
the increased cost of government to no more than inflation
rate, then we don't want to hear a peep out of you lamenting
the high cost of rental housing in Iowa city. Government is
the problem, not the owners. Some what is the procedure we
should follow. In light of the strong possibility of unfunded
federal mandates will be modified in the foreseeable future,
we should take a year to restudy the entire situation. Our
community is fortunate to have many well qualified experts in
water plant requirements. We should use these people along
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with the city staff, members, the engineers employed by the
city and ordinary citizens who certainly have a worthwhile
perspective to add to discussions. All of these people should
be organized into appropriate committees with a definite task
to accomplish. Each should know what the others are doing and
then, through a committee as a whole, recommendations should
be sent to the city council and the final decision made after
the middle of November 1995. If this kind of procedure is
followed a rational decision would evolve that would solve our
water problems in a manner that is acceptable to a large
segment of the popUlation at a cost considerable lower than is
currently under consideration. It is essential that a broad
spectrum of people including plenty of professionals from a
variety of points of views be used. This is such a major
project that you must know precisely that you have chosen the
very best solution possible which will received broad support
from the citizens if it is to be successful. Some has
suggested that local sales tax is the answer to the problem.
I would be opposed to this if it was merely a substitute
method of paying for the proposed water plant. That is merely
taxing people in a different way to pay for the original
proposal rather than reducing, the cost of the project which
should be the goal of all of us. If the proposed plant is
scaled down to somewhere between $25-30 million, a local sales
tax cost ,be possibly a viable part of funding. Let me suggest
two steps to be taken immediately. First, adopt a resolution
to restudy the entire project with a goal of containing the
entire cost to no more than $30 million. Second, increase
water rates on an annual'basis beginning in March 1995 by 10%
until income is at the level where the water plant is self
supporting and the bonds can be retired in a timely manner.
Income not currently needed to funa water and wastewater plant
operating costs and bond retirement should be placed in escrow
to be used later as needed for retiring'the outstanding bonds.
I am confident by truly working together, as I have suggested,
a good decision can come about that will received broad
support. Thank you for listening and thank you for your
willingness to participate in the governmental process that so
often brings only headaches, pain and frustration to you. Your
work is appreciated.
Horow/ Thank you.
Ken Wessels/ 724 North Dodge in Iowa city. I wish to speak to the
statistics that have been presented concerning residential
houses and I live in a's.f. dwelling, family of four, washing
machine, in the basement, don't wash the car at home and don't
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the residential home is way too low. Mine is running at 2400
cubic feet and this is with relatively conservative use for a
town like Iowa city, a family of four, basically teenagers and
adults using the facilities.
Nov/ Is this each month or is this each bill.
Wessels/ This bill that I have here is for a two month period. The
next one will be for a two month period but I understand we
get more than six. We get eight or something like that.
Lehman/ six.
Wessels/ Okay, so that is, two months but that is significantly more
than the average and so I am speaking to the 11,000 people
with single family dwellings that pay their water bill tonight
specifically. Many of the people in district C area which we
will cal the central third of the city are living by
themselves in their homes. Many are professional women, many
are retired people and a lot of the other ones are couples and
a lot of them are low use people and, you know, there is one
or two people using the facilities. They may eat out a lot in
terms of younger or middle age people. So, what are we talking
about here. We are talking about families being impacted even
more heavily than the statistics so far presented show. And,
if I can make a little joke. We had a family presentation
tonight but I think the spirit of the times of families are
going to be having in Iowa city, raising teenagers, is not
going to Jerry Mather as the Beaver type of family. It is
going to be more like Cotton Mather and Increase Mather with
some unknown force affecting people's lives in ways that they
don't quite understand with these cost increases. So I think
that is a significant contribution I can make as far as
statistics. Some of the other things I would like to speak to
are the rationale of the issue which is that we need to
satisfy federal regulations therefore this has to be done. I
think the previous speaker made a good point in that they are
already talking about lightening these restrictions. I don't
think any federal regulations have, you know, an air of
certainly to them and some of them may even be well off the
mark in terms of the affect they intend to create. So, with
the new Congress there is a real good chance that you could
let this go and you would probably not be confronted with it
and the rules themselves might change. Now, you know,
ordinarily, that wouldn't be a good way to run a city and I
think just about anybody in a responsible position would say
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that but these are extraordinary times, and this amount of
increase would be comparable to paying' $1. 65 for gas next
March and a year from next March paying $2.50 for gas and, of
course, we all need water. We need to bath, we need to do our
clothes. So it does affect everybody and it is the 11,000
people living in these houses, I think, that are going to be
affected even more than the apartment owners. Consider the
fact that in two weeks 15,000-20,000 apartment dwelling
students are going to be gone for a month. Their use for teat
1/12th of the year will be at zero because of the nature of
the school year. And the same thing happens in the summer
time. ,They are all gone. There is nobody in those big
apartment buildings. So, in affect, they are going to be
paying more in a monthly rent increase than they are getting
back out of it, too. And then the'history of this matter so
fat has been the city is being challenged on the land
acquisition in court by a millionaire who can follow through
on it. There has been a serious opposition ~rom citizens in
terms of the eco-rationale. Will this really be a defensible
place if there is a bog flood out in the country north of
town. will the water quality remain good. I think there is
rationales on the eco~level, too. And-but basically I think
the citizen opposition that I am feeling from behind me and
especially speaking to the people watching on the television
, tonight" the many hundreds and maybe thousands watching
tonight that are going to start realizing as I have realized
over the past year'h6w big an increase this is. And they are
going to start caring and calling the council and writing
letters: My last point-
Horow/ Your time is up.' Thank you very'much.
Kubby/ We need a one minute sign, Sue, if you are going to be hard
core about it so people can wrap up and you don't cut them off
in mid-sentence.
Anna Buss/ 525 West Benton Street. And I am ~lso a property manager
here in Iowa city. I have 'lived in Iowa city since 1966. I
have some water bills that I have taken to the city Finance
Department and the bills are for a two month period of time.
I have a bill that is for two adults and one baby in a condo
unit. These people have a washer and dryer. They do not wash
their cars on the premises. Their bill, as of today-
CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 94-133 SIDE 1
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of the property management people. I have a bill for 8 one
bedroom ~partments. There are nine people in this building.
The bill that we currently get for every two months is
$150.96. By: 1996 tqis bill, allowing for no water leaks, will
be $311.42. A bill for a 14 unit apartment complex. The bill
is now for every two'months is $438.55. That bill by '96 will
go to $977.47. The trickle down affect that this will have on
businesses when all of the money goes to living expenses and
housing for food, water, and electricity. Not much will be
left over for shopping. The multiple unit buildings will have
a major impact on the '95-'96 rent structure in Iowa City. The
students, in most cases, are already on tight budget. they
have tuition increases and the price of books. The elderly and
fixed income people will be affected. Businesses with high
water usage, beauty salons, barber shops, ~estaurants,
laundromats,' car washes, just to name a few, will have to
raise their' prices to their customers. I'm also not an
onqineer. 'I would, like to be able to offer you good
alt,'rnatives. I feel there must be a way that we can do this
picJect for a lot less money. Could this project be paid for
by other resources. Have any of the citizen groups been used
for ideas. Maybe we could consult with the University of Iowa
for ideas and assistance on this matter. After all we are the
most educated community. Please consider' all of the
possibilities that are available to you before you continue on
with this project. I thank you for your time.
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Horow/ Thanks, Anna.
Mark smith/ 205 North Westminster. I just recently bought a new
car. It was kind of a big deal for me. I had been driving an
'83 Aries ,around for a couple of years. It was also kind of
disorienting. I am the kind of guy who goes out of his way
quite a ways to save 30 cents and suddenly here I was
deciding, willy nilly, on thousand of dollars here or there on
what seemed like whims or fleeting preferences. Now, the Lexus
looked very nice. But the $50,000 did make me think twice. But
at $8,000 I was attracted to the Metro. Super mileage but it
was real small and Beth didn't want it. We got a Prism. We are
real happy with it. We think it is great. Didn't have lots of
expensive options, stick shift, practical but attractive
interior. We got rust protection and extended warranty. We
splurge~, and put in cruise control and a tape deck even though
we obviously didn't need them. We just wanted them and got
them. America is a great, place to live in. Now about this
water plant. I have heard this council argue a long time about
little bits of money for bike trails or newspaper racks, bus
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routes or a stop light and that is good. Guard our money. But
now we come to the big items, $91 million, and it feels like
we are willy nilly somewhat carelessly spending by whims. I
think lots of citizens believe you are buying the Lexus.
Actually we could buy 1,910 for that price. Or 11,375 metros.
If you,want us to accept this as wise you have got to sell it.
You need to invite yourselves to every church, community
organization, coffee klatch to explain what the choices were
or are. What were the options. How much did they cost and what
did we get for them. Why must poor Jim Glasgow be thrown out
of his house. Why aren't we building Bruce's great plant on
the reservoir. Even after full discussion not everyone will be
happy as with cars people have different values, needs,
interests and tastes. I, myself, am convinced that a lot of
the expense is to insure a water supply that will encourage
new business to come to town. While not welcoming population
growth and resenting being billed for it I never the less have
been largely convinced of the need for a new plant and in the
main fine the plans acceptable. I am particularly pleased of
the plans to use alluvial wells and look forward to the
improved water quality and the satisfaction of knm.ling that we
are improving the quality of the water in the river as it
passes through our city. what I do not look forward to is the
explosively infuriated responses of the citizens when their
water and sewage bills double and triple. Before that happens
explain, explain, explain. And then there is the Chamber of
Commerce. If they aren't for this thing then vote against it.
These are the guys that love growth, that hate obstacles to
more and more people and people coming in. If they aren't
going to help this-to help sell this, then forget it. They
will get the very water plant and growth that they want and
still lie in the cut and snipe the bejezus out of councilors
that wasted the tax payers money.
Joe Donetti/ I am here to represent myself, my family and the
company I work for, United Technologies. UTA, United
Technologies, employees 900 people in this city. I would like
to express my concern to the council regarding the proposed
water and sewer increases. the proposed increases will be
especially difficult for those on fixed incomes and those who
are in the low income bracket. Even citizens in the middle
income bracket will be hard hit by the rate increases. High
water and sewer rates will have a negative affect on all
business in the community. It will have an adverse affect on
attracting new business and citizens into the community. I
would recommend that the council consider options and look at
ways to reduce the cost of construction. Questions: Can Iowa
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city combine its improvements with Coralville and North
Liberty to reduce the cost to consumers. with a joint effort
it would be better than trying to go it alone. Where does the
University of Iowa fit into the new water regulations. Is the
University another option for combined efforts that can be
made to reduce costs. Do the citizens of Iowa City have to
bear all of the construction costs by themselves. Just a
couple of personal notes. I know a young female, a single
mother, who works for minimum wage and she can barely make it
on her own right now. with the rate increases that you are
talking' about for apartments, she will not be able to afford
to live in this city. I want you to reconsider what you are
doing to the citizens of this community and the rate increases
that you are proposing.
Lehman/ Excuse me, Susan, would you just refer briefly to item #14.
I hate to interrupt but I think that that is very germane in
the discussion tonight.
Horow/ Item #14. We are considering a resolution to authorize to
have an agreement between Stanley Consultants of Muscatine,
Iowa, and the City of Iowa city to provide consulting services
to perform value engineering studies on the Iowa City Water
facility. In other words, we are having another set of
engineers come in and take a look at the existing set of
plans. So we are planning this.
Audience/ (Can't hear).
Lehman/ It is not required, is it.
Woito/ No, it is not required.
Horow/ It is not required. We are doing this.
Atkins/ It is required if you choose to pursue federal funding.
Kubby/ There is none for water plants so that is not even an option
for us to pursue federal funding unfortunately.
Harvey Wehde/ First of all I want to thank Jim Throg. for his
editorial and getting, hopefully, more people aware and public
opinion is really important. It is one of the few things Jim
and I have probably agreed on in the last year but I want to
thank him for the editorial. I think it helped a lot and I
agreed with basically what you said on that. We need to use
the land needed for the water plant only. No more. Why? The
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land can be used for, a corporate park, office building',
retirement apartments and a commercial site. This will add to
the tax base and help pay for the cost of the water and sewage
plant. Adding parks and trails will only'cost the tax payers
~ore. The county attorney, Linda- I am not sure how to
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Woito! I am not the county attorney. Pat White would be very
offended at that. I am the city attorney and my name is
pronounced Woito.
Wehde! Your name was throwing me. I wasn't used to-Gentry. It was
so easy. stated that parks and trails would be physically
responsible. I think that statement is ridicules. Parks and
trails will cost the tax payers money to build them, add
staff for administrative purposes and maintenance. The city
cannot maintain the parks and trails that they have now as
Ernie has stated. the first thing that should be done is
correcting the problem on Dubuque street so city Park does not
get flooded out. This is a nice park and is wasted for parts
in the summer. correcting the problem would not only help the
city Park but would also help University of Iowa students who
live'in the dormitories and eliminate having the road closed
to traffic thus causing problems getting around the city. I
recommend to the city council that they redesign the water
plant, making it more cost effective like Cedar Rapids and Des
Moines. Maybe we can learn something from these cities. Why
can they do it so much cheaper than we can. The longer we hold
off the possibility exists that the change in our last
election might help pay for some of these costs from our
federal government. I have one page but it turned into two
after I saw what happened at the work session last night. The
new proposal delivered by city officials at Monday's work
session was prompted by Karen Kubby and Jim Throg. First, what
does this do to the student and people that live in apartments
that can't afford to buy a home. These costs are going to be
past on to them. Two, industrial users would be hardest hit by
the new proposal. New business, whether it is industrial or
not are staying away from Iowa city because of its cost. If
you pass this new proposal you will not only be hurting
students and apartment renters but you will add to the problem
of business coming to Iowa city that create jobs for Iowa city
citizens and add to the tax base to pay for this water plant.
Don't get carried away with this new proposal. It could malee
things worse than they already are. Thank you very much.
Lehman! Harvey, a point of clarification. steve, what in this plan
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is set aside for parks and trails and whatever.
Atkins/ There is no water or sewer revenues intended to be used for
any other public purpose than water and sewer system.
Lehman/ I think that is important to know that this does not
include any of that.
Horow/ This has been'misinformation that has been perpetuated and
it is very frustrating for us to listen to you say it and not
be able to say this isn't true. It is not a park up there.
Kubby/ I think one of the things that we created a problem-
Horow/ Let's use the map. Excuse me-
Nov/ steve, do you want to explain what is going to be there other
than the water treatment plant.
Atkins/ the 230 acre site is intended to be the site for the water
treatment plant. It is also the source of our water.
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from a well system on that site. A second fact, of the 230
acres, approximately 40% or about 100 acres is in the flood
plain and is substantially undevelopable. However, it is prime
development with respect to a provision of a water system.
there is a lake on the site. That lake will be used for the
purposes of extracting water to be put in to the treatment
plant to be part of our system. These numbers that get thrown
around rather cavalierly are such that it is really bum
information. The site has unique geological formation which is
available in any number of reports that anyone can read. And
once you review the geological information I think you will be
at least satisfied that the purchase of that complete site
only makes good environmental and economic sense.
Kubby/ will you get the map that shows where the flood plain is.
The one that has the colored lines on it. And when people are
talking about the different wells. People are concerned about
using so much silurian water that we will affect people north
who are also using silurian well water. We are using three
different kinds of wells. Mostly alluvial wells which are
really shallow wells and basically draws the river water
horizontally through the sands to remove a lot of sediment.
And so we are not using-the majority of the well part of the
water that we want to produce is not from those deeper wells.
Part of it is but not most of it. So it is very little
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reliance on the silurian and Jordan compared to the alluvial
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Atkins/ This line represents the flood plain area. (can't hear).
Wehde! And where is the pipeline.
Atkins/ The pipeline is right here. And that is another bit of
informatiqn that is incorrect. It is on plenty of reports. The
pipeline system is also one that goes through the Coralville
well field. It-we have known it is there.
Wehde/ How does this make economic sense. That statement you made
kind of throws me a little bit.,
Atkins/ If you are able to secure this site given its geological
formations, given the protection areas that must be
established around each well as required by law When you
package that all together, controlling the whole site-that is
not permitting development or jamming the water treatment
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move the water treatment plant closer to some of the wells.
And the reason that we are looking at not doing that is
because of the geology. It will cost three times the amount to
construct the plant on sandy soils then it would be to move it
over on' to the bedrock. And the land is cheaper than the
construction costs. So we have already cut down some of the
costs of this by buying more land. The total cost of the land
is 2% of the total project. So it is a very small amount of
the total and I thing that is an important thing for people to
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filter the water is actually going to save the city money in
terms of treatment costs. So if you were to-we are not going
to debate. I am responding to Harvey. If you jam the plant
into the flood plain area you have removed your filtering
system which will provide you with better tasting, safer and
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Horow/ Harvey, we appreciate you asking the question so we could
give this. Thank you very much.
Wehde/ At least we are getting a little more communication.
Horow/ Thanks.
Charles Denniger/ I live here in Iowa city. I find myself in a very
odd position tonight. I am sitting here and I see
conservatives and liberals. I see business people. I see
people from multi family housing, single family housing and we
are all saying the same thing. Back it up. We do not
understand what you are doing. It is too much money for us.
Back it up. Let's sit back, talk about this, convince us. If
this is the right decision, you can convince us. If not, let's
find the right one. But this is not right the way we are doing
it right now. Thank you.
Keith Neuzil/ I 'have signed in already. I live at 40 Ventura Avenue
up off North Dubuque street. A couple of questions here and
statements. In a memo to the City of Iowa city to the city
council and city Manager of November 4, page 4, last sentence,
a little section caught my attention. It says if water usage
in FY95 declines more than 5% then the rates on January 1,
1996 will need to be increased even more than what is
presented. I mean all along we have heard this well, you can
conserve water. If you want to reduce your bill, conserve the
water. Right here it says if we conserve too much the water
rates are going up again. You know. So the conservation angle
of this I don't think is holding much water. Second of all,
the flood plain down there, I have been around the area that
you are going to build or try to build or present to build the
water treatment plant on for about 22-24 years. Since they
have started the sand plant down there anybody that is
familiar with sandplanting and mining-there is a substance off
of the top of the sand that they are looking for. It is called
overburden. That is the clay, the unuseful sand and everything
like that. That, as I have looked at it and understood and
kind of had a back seat to what is going on, is going to be
used to raise that ground up out of the flood plain. So it is
not actually-yeah, it is flood plain but there is materials
there to alleviate that problem. So it is no longer in the
flood plain. Another point is if I was Jim Glasgow and was
going to live down there for 24 or 20 plus years, I would be
mad as hell if somebody come and told me they were going to
come and condemn my house. He has worked hard down there to
build a house. He has got a nice place. He didn't want to live
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in the city. That is why he lives down there. Think about it.
If somebody come and told you I am going to take your house
from you. We are just going to come in and offer you $145,000
for this house and you are gone and we can do that because we
have got the power, we are the city. You know. It is damn hard
~o fight the city hall and we don't live in Russia or any of
the communist states. We live in the united states where
everybody is suppose to have a voice. You know. The right to
pursue happiness and I think that place down there does give
Jim Glasgow some happiness because it is his. He built is with
his own two hands. You know. To walk in and say we are going
to take your little part of America and you are going to have
to find some place else to live. That is not right and we all
like to do what is right in this world and I would like to
think we try to and that is just not right.
Horow/ Thank you.
Lance Tyson/ I am a law student, second year, student senator and
a councilor for the Landlord Tenant Association. I rise to
assert two propositions. One, that individuals in this
jurisdiction, particularly students, are better informed as to
how the tax will affect them. I think in order-it calls for a
cost and benefits analysis to be discussed in a forum where we
all can have a mutual exchange of ideas. Second of all, the
council must not, I repeat this, must not disregard student
interest. Students make up at least 35% of Iowa CitY'iS
population. And most students, such as myself, are on fixed
incomes where any type of drastic increase in rent can take
away dreams and take away opportunities. In conclusion, I
request that no action is taken until these two propositions
are fully considered and acted upon. Thank you.
Horow/ Excuse me, Lance, did you sign in. Mr. Tyson, could you
please sign in. Thank you.
Steve Pattee/ I am also a worker in student government and I would
like to point out to the city council that we have not
received much information about this. There have been really
no publicity in the Daily Iowan, the only newspaper that a
majority of students receive. And I would ask that council
yield to a few general questions so I can take some
information back to my constituents. Is that okay? I first ask
very generally how you propose the plant will be funded and
what alternatives have you looked at for the funding?
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bond. Water revenues will then be collected in the form of
utility bills a portion of which will be used to retire the
debt on that borrowing. That is how it works.
Pattee/ What alternatives have you looked at?
Atkins/ There are no other alternatives available to us currently
under Iowa tax policy. The issue of a sales tax was
considered. That would require authorization by the city
council and a referendum.
Kubby/ Actually we also talked about using property taxes for a
portions of it and decided that there is so much untaxable
property from entities that actually use the water and sewer
plant to some degree. The University does use Iowa city water
in some instances. That that wouldn't be a fair way of paying
for it because not all the people who use it would be paying
for it.
Horow/ The other aspect of this is there are no federal grants for
this. This has been suggested but that is not a realistic
source.
Pattee/ How quickly are you trying to recover the costs of building
this plant?
Atkins/ We expect the debt to be about a 25-27 year debt.
Pattee/ And how much extra capacity will this plant have over what
is currently needed in Iowa City?
Atkins/ The plant is designed to accommodate what we call our
growth area which is about 20-30 years. The plant itself under
its current construction plan should be good for 20 years or
more.
Nov/ It is possible then at the time the bonds are retired there
will be a new bond issue if we need more growth.
Atkins/ It is always possible.
Horow/ And there is room at this site to enlarge that. Have to plan
for that.
Atkins/ yes.
Pattee/ Have you considered a new hook up few to pay for any extra
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Kubby/ We talked about that last night so that new growth would
help pay for itself. We are not sure where that is going to
go. Last night was the first time we started to talk about it.
Throg/ We will probably talk more about that after the p.h. is
over. Immediately afterwards, along with some other-
Kubby / So we hope people will stick around for the further
discussion so you can hear it here and not through the rumor
mill.
Pattee/ What alternatives have you considered to building plant on
this specific site? Have you considered-I know somebody
suggested building a-going together with Coralville and
building a plant with them or possibly North Liberty also. Has
that been considered at all?
Atkins/ To the best of my knowledge Coralville and North Liberty
have no interest in being a part of this plant design. They
have their own interest. You would have to develop a shared
agreement between the two parties. Quite frankly, sir, I am
not so sure that you have any real genuine economic gain. If
I can for one moment relate a tidbit of history. The audience
will recall about two years ago we made a very serious effort
and attempt to find a new water source south of town which
would have been a substantially less costly project. Quite
frankly we met with somewhat of the same type of opposition.
So it is not like other alternatives have not been reviewed.
And I would like to, if I can, to take a second of your time.
The Coralville Reservoir was, in fact, considered. As a flood
control reservoir they have the ability to drain it dry if
they want. The Corps of Engineers expressed no interest in
providing for a municipal water supply from that reservoir
which is virtually the same as the river. You still have to
treat it and you still have the issue of planning for a well
system to supplement it.
Pigott/ steve, could I ask for a point of clarification? Are
Coralville and North Liberty under the same federal mandates
that we are?
Atkins/ They are under the same federal mandates. They are not on
the schedule now. Their turn is coming.
pattee/ In closing, I just ask that the council consider how this
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proposal will affect the students. Thank you for answering the
questions.
Horow/ Thank you.
Rod Shutt/ I am already signed in. Resident. Concerned resident of
Iowa city. 520 South Governor. I had a few things I was going
to bring up. They were covered better with the gentleman that
sat here. But I had a couple of questions about the federal
mandate. Wondered what is the council's latitude for time, for
instance, with the federal mandate? What are they demanding of
you? Probably been in the press but I haven't read it.
Horow/ Good question.
Atkins/ The Safe Drinking Water regulations began in July of this
year. Come July of next year they will be more severe than
they are this year and more severe the year after that and the
year after that. The federal government passed a uniform
policy throughout the United States with respect to
enforcement of the Safe Drinking Water Act regulations. And
that simply means that all municipal suppliers of water have
to fulfill those mandates in the same sort of timely fashion
that we are under right now. You have, at least in my
judgement, little to no latitude. Are there things about the
project that we would change if we had our own discretion and
the answer is yes. I don't see- I don't share the same
enthusiasm that there is going to be a change in the federal
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for water quality. I don't know about the mandate thing but it
irritates me like I think it did most citizens. The federal
government comes in and acts in a sweeping way to do sometimes
what seems to be foolish things and in this case they're
mandating that 97% of the water that we wash the sidewalk off
with and wash our cars with and flush down the sewer from our
toilets be purer than it is now. I don't know what all the
logistics are in your new plant but I could almost bet with
big odds that water quality in the new plant for the 3% of
water we use in cooking and drinking will not be state of the
art. In other words, reverse osmosis micropore and carbon
infiltration methods available probably at a lesser cost. If
everybody had an in-line filter for their drinking water would
probably be less expensive than this plant and sewer facility.
Nov/ We did think about that.
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Shutt/ I have come to the conclusion that the government must feel
we are too big of saps out here, the federal government, to
have a separate water supply to use for drinking. Can't figure
that out and mandate that we throw pure water down the drain.
Horow/ I think we looked into this is terms of-I certainly asked
the question could we have two different systems. It literally
would be two different systems including two different
distribution systems which it turns out would be more
expensive. You are right about the eater.
Shutt/ An in-line system in each house could do this though and
they are available now.
Nov/ We asked about it. We were told no.
Kubby/ We have to meet water quality standards not when it comes
out of your pipe at your home or business but as it leaves the
plant and that is why that very practical way of meeting the
regs whether you agree with them or not is not acceptable.
Shutt/ Yeah, I don't blame you for this. But I say that is what I
feel to be part of the foolishness in the mandates and why, if
possible, it could be resisted. That is the second part of the
question. There is now Proposition 187 going on in California,
another federal mandate that they object to there and are
there any processes contemplated. Is there any ground swell of
opposition within this state or any other one to get a
proposition to resist the mandate like this? It may not make
good sense.
Kubby/ An ancillary question, if I can, is what is the consequence
for us as a city for not following the mandate?
Atkins/ If we do not follow the mandate we have an obligation to
issue don't drink the water orders if we are unable to provide
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pigott/ What sort of financial repercussion?
Atkins/ You will then then be subjected to I would suspect and I
will ask Linda to comment better than I-If we fail to meet
those standards as a city council and city government I can
assure you we will be sued with a great deal of regularity
because of your failure to meet those standards.
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Kubby/ Does that mean then that we might have to build a plant
under court order and be paying those fines?
Atkins/ Yes.
Kubby / I guess a question I have for the audience is are you
willing to take that risk to have the cost be even higher?
AUdience/ (Yes).
Horow/ Listen to the question. Ask the question again.
AUdience/ (can't hear).
Kubby/ If we don't build the plant and we do not meet the federal
regs, we get sued, we have to build a plant under court order
anyway and we have to pay fine and court costs, etc. That is
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come out of your pockets to pay the extra. Are you willing to
take that risk?
AUdience/ (Yes).
Kubby/ You are willing for us to take that risk for you?
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prolonged time in the future. I mean the worry is the
standards get ever more rigid.
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law. They will add 25 new chemicals every three years that we
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Shutt/ 25 new chemicals for treatment.
Atkins/ New chemicals that we must test for and treat for in our
water. That is the new law.
Shutt/ You know, it would seem to be about endless though. When I
looked into water and it is admittedly been quite a while ago,
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Atkins/ I am sorry, sir, I can't hear you.
Horow/ Could people keep it down please.
Atkins/ I am sorry Rob, I didn't hear you.
Shutt/ I was saying that when I looked into the water quality about
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water systems anyway. Long term better goal 'might be to
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Horow/ Thank you very much.
Throg/ While we are waiting for the next speaker I would like to
make an observation. So far, everyone has talked about the
water plant and rightfully so. It'is an important deal. Almost
half of the proposed rate increase is attributable to a
wastewater treatment system that we are proposing to spend
money on. You need to know that because even if we don't do
what you want to do with regard to the water there is also the
wastewater thing and the sewer system connection. So one of
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discussion is over with is separate the two and have two
separate ordinances so that we can consider them separately,
talk about them separately so that-and mayM vote on them
separately. The only reason I bring that up is because it may
well be that the rationale for building a water plant is quite
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different from the rationale for doing the wastewater
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the wastewater or vice versus or neither one. But is has big
affects on potential rates that you pay. The other thing I
would like to say is I think we have all read the newspapers
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about the quality of our drinking water and I have never heard
anybody talk about how great Iowa city's drinking water is.
Horow/ Mr.Denniger, I would like to make sure that everyone else
speaks before we have repeats.
Denniger / I wanted to answer Karen Kubby' s question. You put a
question to us and I don't think we answered it.
Horow/ Well, rhetorical question-all right, if we could get your
answer quiCkly. But I would like to get to other people.
Denniger/ The debate we are having here is not whether or not we do
something. What we are debating here is how to go about it and
what we should specifically do and what we are listening to
from a city manager is we are being pushed to do something we
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Atkins/ sir, I never said that.
Denniger/ Of the federal government. That is the implication I am
getting from you.
Atkins/ No, that is a wrong application.
Denniger/ We have to do this now.
Atkins/ We have to do it.
Denniger/We have to have the bonds out in March 1.
Atkins/ Yes we do.
Denniger/ Okay. That is being pushed in my book. You may object to
it but that is the way I read it.
Atkins/ sir, I am not telling I am objecting. I am trying to point
out to you that there is a schedule of events and activities
that must be fulfilled to fulfill federal requirements with
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Denniger/ (can't hear) who are telling you here to back it up and
that you investigate the best procedure. That is all we are
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Horow/ We are not picking you up. If you are going to continue to
speak you are going to have to come up to the mic. Is there
anyone else who would like to address council?
Kubby/ Before the p.h. closes, steve, would you get the sewer
project map out so we can briefly show that because I don't
want people to lose focus of that large project of $41 million
either.
John Lohman/ I am Student Body President of the University of Iowa,
representing nearly 30,000 students and many of them are
citizens and renters in Iowa city as I am sure you know.
Basically what I have heard here tonight is the public here
doesn't know enough and the students don't know enough and we
are still trying to find out more information and what this
water is going to do, how much it is going to cost, the
ramifications it is going to result, and I think and I would
encourage the city council to put off and make sure that the
city and the citizens know more information before you vote on
this. Also, I have one question. What about a referendum? Has
there been any discussion on a referendum for voting on the
water issue?
Horow/ This is a public health issue. This is not something you
decide whether you have pure water or not. Is that what you
meant, John?
Atkins/ John, understand that if you would choose to choose a
referendum that is certainly a means of expressing pUblic
pOlicy. The bottom line is the city council has an obligation
to fulfill the requirements of the federal government and
unfortunately there are many times, such as when we built the
last sewage treatment plant, that we spent time debating and
discussing the issue and even if the referendum, would have
said no, the courts said yes. And that is where we will end
up.
Lohman/ Okay, thanks.
Kubby/ Although when we were going to have the vote for-should this
be the plant that we are going to have? Should this be the
size of the plant we may be contract with the consultants on
those parameters? There were some of us on council who said we
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don't want to vote on this yet because we want to go out in
the community and let people have some feedback and understand
what we are planning on doing and have some front end input.
There was not a majority of council who wanted to use that
process and so the end product was well, we are going to vote
on this and afterwards we will go out in the community. And we
have gone out into the community although obviously not
anywhere near the level and frequency and intensity that we
need to. So I guess I want people to know that we have had
these discussions about trying on the front end of any
decision to let people be involved. There was not a majority
of people who wanted to pursue that process and we will
continue, no matter what is decided, to go out to community
groups and neighborhood groups, whoever wants us there, to
explain what the options are and hear what you have to say. I
mean that is the value of these p.h.s. We are hearing what
you have to say.
Nov/ We can offer to come to various groups. Those groups that took
us up on it did get our water expert and the councilmembers
and they did get the attention that they asked for. Also since
we have students here who are saying the Daily Iowan hasn't
covered this issue, I am urging whoever is here for the Daily
Iowan today to put it in the paper. I think that will be a
good way to let students know what is going on.
Throg/ Thanks, John.
Pigott/ Can I ask a question? I wonder if-what I hear-a couple of
things out there I hear. One is back up, stop, let's delay any
vote until we-to reconsider to think about these issues. I
would like to know what-how much would the delay in making a
decision cost us in terms of rearranging rates, etc., etc.
Atkins/ Rearranging-well, remember the rates have a great deal to
do with the amount of capital that you have to raise. The
longer you postpone. Of course you don't know that until you
actually bid the particular project. When do you hit a
favorable bond market with respect to the sale of the bonds.
There is some unpredictable issues in there. I think that I
can speak with some assurance that if you were to postpone the
vote, we will have an administrative order from the DNR within
six months directing that we get this thing back on track.
pigott/ I would guess that it would cost us a certain amount of
money in terms of maybe increasing our rates or something like
that if we delay the decision say a month, two months. Let's
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say-Can you give me a cost estimate on okay, if we delayed
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Atkins! Two months is not a major problem except we have to go to
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for March 1 which allows us time to do the publicity that is
necessary for this ordinance.
Throg! If we end up building, for whatever reason, if we end up
building the same size plant, same cost water plant, $50
million, but we delay that decision from the end of December
until late January, late February, is there some cost per two
weeks? Is there some financial cost that we would bear?
Atkins! I am sorry, I am misunderstanding what you mean by delay.
Delay what now?
Throg! If we choose not to vote, make a final vote, at the end of
December. But instead as people are asking us to do, reflect,
reconsider, get out and meet the people and talk about it and
take another couple of months to do that.
Atkins! The rates will probably be bumping up a percentage or two.
Not extraordinary amounts. I mean they are already
extraordinary amounts. But I am saying that each of those will
bump up a percentage or two the longer you postpone the thing
becaus,e we need to begin the process of collecting the
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Kubby! So when we got some figures or Jim got some figures from Don
Yucuis, our Financial Director, saying that for every month
that rates are not increased approximately $83,000 in
additional revenue is not taken in by the city which then
would have to be made up which means an additional increase to
what is already proposed. So it is $83,000 a month. Is that
correct, Don?
Pigott! That is just for water, Don?
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Don Yucuis/ That is just for water, Karen.
pigott/ It doesn't include the wastewater.
Yucuis/ I think the question, if I understand it right Bruno, is if
you are going out to sell bonds next summer and we only have
four months worth of rates and income coming in to sell those
bonds, it is like buying a car today and say oh, I am going to
get the money in six months to pay you for that car but can I
use it. And we need to show the bond holders that we have the
ability to payoff these bonds the first time a principle and
interest payment comes due which would be a year from when you
sell the bonds. And the longer lead time you have to show what
kind of revenue flow you have the better off you are in the
market to sell those bonds. And right now the March 1 date is
four month lead time of five month lead time. And, ideally, I
would have preferred a longer time but we are dealing with
four months right now and to go to market in July or August to
sell some bonds. It will be difficult to sell the magnitude of
bonds that we want and will be working on, how that is going
to be structured.
Nov/ Difficult to sell I assume means high interest rates.
Yucuis/ Not necessarily. It may mean we will be structuring the
bonds. We will sell some bonds this year and some bonds the
following year or some bonds now and some bonds six months
from now until we can get the commitment from the bond market
that we can repay those bonds based on our revenue flows.
Horow/ Let's get back to the public.
Larry Svoboda/ I live at 16 Cherry Lane, Iowa city. I guess I just
have questions tonight. We always know that once we start a
project it is always going to cost a whole lot more in the end
then what it starts and we are already talking about an
atrocious amount of money to be spent on a water plant. I have
some what ifs and one of the what ifs I have is what if the
wells at River Heights, Cherry HillS, and Forest ,Gate and
Windham Bluff and Spring Valley and all the other subdivisions
north of here are affected by this new well system. I know
everybody is quite willing to assure me and I am a resident of
that area, are quite willing to assure me that is not going to
be the case but I have been assured about things by the city
of Iowa city before that have not come true or the opposite
has happened. I am a little shaky sometimes when somebody
promises me that it is going to be okay, don't worry about it,
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and then the other thing happens. What-if you do pump those
wells and if you pump the cone of deflection in this wells do
come dry, what is going to happen. How are you going to fix
it? The DNR, I know, requires that the city of Iowa city be
responsible for costs incurred in correcting those situations.
It could be a horrendous cost, What if the pipeline breaks? I
mean it is just like it is there. It is a hazard but nobody
assumes that it is never going to break. If the thing breaks
with pressure it has go underneath it it would flood and
inundate the entire area before it could probably be shut off.
I have seen a couple of fiascos out west of here or east of
here at the other pipeline place and it certainly could happen
here anytime. What if the river does flood the area and
contaminate the area? These are just what ifs of this
particular location I think really need to be addressed in
this issue because we could be looking at the tip of the
iceberg as far as the cost of the plan before it is over and
done with. And then what if we go through all of this misery
and then what if the feds do roll back the mandate on this
thing? I think there is going to be an awful lot of unhappy
tax payers in Iowa city. The wastewater plant that we are
talking about. My question is didn't we just do this? Didn't
we just go through this process? And if we are going to go
through this water plant process what is going to stop the
federal government from saying go and do it allover again?
I mean, we just went through this very scenario. I guess the
thing that I am really wanting to see the council do here is
just I can't believe that this is the last year to build and
finance a water plant. If we don't do it now that it is never
going to happen without extreme financial difficulties? I
would like to see us at least give the federal government a
little bit of chance with the change of complexion in
Washington D.C. and see what is going to happen. I am certain
that six months or nine months isn't going to make or break
the situation. Who knows, we might get lucky and this whole
situation will change. And Jim, you are not correct when you
said that nobody said anything good about Iowa city water.
Very recently I made a comment to you about Iowa city water
and I happen to drink or draw water out of the silurian
aquifer at my home and the comment I made to Jim this morning
is if I was half way between Iowa city and my home and I was
dying of thirst and I needed a drink of water, I would come to
Iowa city for it. If you don't believe me, come out and take
a look at the water that comes out of the tap and then try to
taste it. I am sure that I have a lot of neighbors that are
probably upset with me for making that comment because I
probably devalued the property a little bit. But it certainly
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isn't the quality that Iowa city water is as far as the taste
and odor are concerned. Thank you.
Dean Thornberry/Iowa city. I was wondering if at all possible have
you checked with the state, with the Governor's office, to see
if there was any money from the state that we could use for
this project?
Atkins/ Already did that.
Thornberry/ You have already checked with-
Throg/ And what is the answer, steve?
Thornberry/ What did Terry say?
Atkins/ I didn't talk to Terry but the state at one time-Dean, you
may be thinking about a one time the state thought about, and
I guess they are still thinking about it, what they call a
state revolving fund. That is what you are thinking about. And
it was, I think, funded in the neighborhood of $10-15 million.
And the interest rates were far higher we can borrow in the
open market. Far better. And I think it is really more
intended for the smaller rural water districts.
Thornberry/ It seems like we are in the middle. Not real small. So
we have to have, you know we are held to a higher standard
perhaps.
Atkins/ We are held to a higher standard and we are large by way of
Iowa standards. And remember what the EPA does is that the EPA
is the enforcement agency for the Safe Drinking Water Act and
I am telling you anything you already know. They then delegate
to the state the enforcement of that law and if you will
recall there was significant press about this. At one time the
EPA was about to remove that authority from the state because
the state did not have an adequately funded section within the
DNR to manage these water projects. So what the state chose to
do is put a tax on municipal water which goes back to the
state so they can enforce the federal regulations upon us. So
you are paying for your own enforcement. I didn't make that
up.
Thornberry/ Would the state approach the federal government in our
behalf?
Throg/ No federal funds available.
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Atkins/ There are no federal funds for water projects that I know
of. None.
Throg/ And there won't be.
Atkins/ And to the best of my knowledge I cannot comprehend this
Congress appropriating the kind of money.
Thornberry/ What happens if we don't build it, we get sued by the
federal government, we don't pay. Then Iowa City is taken over
by the federal government. What happens? Our bond rating
probably goes down.
Kubby/ Don't laugh. That costs us a lot of money.
Thornberry/ I understand. We are an A rated community now.
Atkins/ A rated for revenue. AAA for general obligation. It is the
best you can get.
Thornberry/ Do we have to be the best?
Throg/ Saves a lot of money.
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Nov/ This is the kind of thing that were to cost $50 million with
a high bond rating. It could cost us $70-80 million with a
lower bond rating.
Thornberry/ I would like a breakdown please. This is not all water.
What is the water price? What is the wastewater treatment?
What is the trash? What is the- We don't know the breakdown of
what these increases are going to be.
Kubby/ $50 million for the water plant, $41 million for the
wastewater treatment plant.
Atkins/ Your utility bill has pretty much four components: water,
wastewater, solid waste and then the state tax on water. And
the state also taxes commercial properties for sewer.
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Kubby/ And all of those things on your bill are basically about
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either providing clean water or protecting water from being
contaminated. I mean everything we are doing with solid waste
is to prevent the ground water contamination.
Holly Berkowitz/ 612 Granada Court. Seems that we are asking
ourselves do we need to build the water plant now. Not do we
need to but can we postpone it. I would like to ask on what
parameters we would be at risk if we did not build the new
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to a .5. Well, next year they are going to change that to .3
and the following year they will change it to something else.
Berkowitz/ Do you know which of the parameters we would most likely
fall in violation?
Throg/ You mean for nitrates or-
Atkins/ Nitrates immediately. I don't think there is any doubt
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Berkowitz/ Turbidity. Okay, are there any others?
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will tell you why. If you contact Lou Licht at the University.
He is an environmental engineer who has been traveling
internationally proposing a project on vegetation buffers.
There about 80% effective at moving the sediment out of the
water that travels from the farm land to the water. You plant
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with Lou Licht. In fact we have virtual forest of poplar trees
at our landfill for the very purpose that you are talking
about. Secondly, you talked about planting along the river.
Every year since I have been here the council has pursued with
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the state legislature the adoption of filter strip legislation
to do just as you proposed. Every year it has been voted down
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Berkowitz! Why? What is the reason?
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Atkins! No, I am sorry I didn't hear that.
Berkowitz! If you contact, him about that and look into this because
there are many many vegetation crops that can profit. That you
can profit from and it doesn't have to be a crop that sends
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water before it gets into the water way. And if you plant the
planting I forget the rate of growth but they are effective
water treatment within five years. The growth was absolutely
incredible. I am going by memory. I need to get the facts. I
am proposing that you look into this as a very possible
alternative to building the treatment plant on schedule
because it is possible that this could relieve the
contamination enough so that you can avoid the fines. I would
also look into the other sources of contamination such as
septic tanks on the Iowa River in subdivisions because a great
majority of septic tanks are not maintained adequately. I
would urge Johnson county seriously enforce the regulations
for septic tanks because this could be a major source leading
to the need for treatment. Catching the source of
contamination at the source is much less expensive because you
have the source there. You know what is going into the water.
You don't have to detect it. A lot of the cost is detecting
low levels of contaminants downstream. That is the cost of
water now. That is the cost of water treatment and trying to
figure out what is there and you are building a cauldron if
you put more and more things in. 60,000 chemicals are produced
on the American market every year and I think that 25 per year
in the regulations is conservative. If you are talking about
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adequate environmental risk information and we cannot say
delete the deferral mandates from the regulations until we
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rat tests and the cell test which these regulations are
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Jim Glasgow! I would like to know what you as councilors think this
230 acre site is going to cost the City of Iowa City?
Kubby! Our appraisals are $1.5 million.
Atkins! We have had two reputable appraisal firms estimate it at
$1.5 million.
Glasgow! Does that include the cost of the power plant dam or any
repairs to the dam?
woito! Yes. No.
Atkins! The repairs to the dam is part of the budget for the
overall project and that is about $600,000.
Glasgow! Does it include the cost of moving the pipeline?
Atkins! No, it does not.
Glasgow! Are you going to move the pipeline?
Atkins! The engineers need to make a recommendation on that.
Glasgow! At this point do you have any idea whether you are going
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Glasgow! So at this point the water plant is going to be there for
100 years and the pipeline will be in place for 100 years.
Atkins! That is not what I said.
Glasgow! That is the impression. All right. I guess the only thing
I can say is your costs are way off. I would estimate that you
are going to look at somewhere between $10-15 million more
than what the city staff has estimated.
Atkins! Sir, we did not estimate that. It was two appraisal firms,
well known throughout the state of Iowa. Both came up with the
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Glasgow/ Okay. You are still wrong and the reason is none of these
land prices or anything has been negotiated or solidified and
until it is you cannot accurately assess the cost of this site
and I guarantee you I am not going to be selling my land for
$145,000 and I don't think Washington Park is looking to sell
their land at $1.5 million or whatever you guys project. Also
you have offered $25,000 to Sand G Gravel to close down their
sand plant. That doesn't include the cost of any mineral
rights. It doesn't include the cost of their business. And
that particular cost is so far our of whack it is crazy. That
thing is at least worth $2 million, probably $3 million. And
you have another 9-10 years left on a land lease and there is
millions of dollars worth of sand left there. So these costs
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Throg/ I would like to make an observation. This is-all of your
points are a matter of litigation now so we are a bit-we have
a difficult time trying to respond to the matter that is being
litigated. The one observation that I would like to make which
I think doesn't get into the legal quandaries of it is that
you have tossed around a whole bunch of numbers without
anybody having the benefit of seeing how justifiable those
numbers are. Whereas we have at least presented some numbers
and said we have two separate independent appraisers providing
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you guys hide behind that veil of either litigation or saying
that you know you can't speak to it because you are not
experts. That is a real good out for you guys.
Throg/ I am not saying it is an out. I am just stating the fact
that it is being litigated and you have stated some numbers,
we have presented some that have some support.
Glasgow/ Do you think, in your mind, $25,000 is going to buy a sand
plant that puts out $600,000 or $800,000 worth of material a
year? $25,000 won't even buy a scale for that sand plant. When
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you throw numbers like that at the public and then you come
and say yeah, this site is going to cost us $2 million. That
is where the scam is. The people of Iowa city are going to be
paying a hell of a lot more for this site than what you guys
are telling them. That is all I am saying. And you are also
putting a park out there. A park.
Kubby/ No water fees will be spent for bike trails or parks.
Glasgow/ Well, you weren't at the sherret.
Throg/ I was.
Horow/ Yes we were.
Lehman/ I was.
Glasgow/ What was that all about?
Kubby/ You know, it is really interesting because a lot of us are
always talking about wanting front end input on things and we
finally did it and it backfired like crazy on us and it is
probably going to teach a lesson that probably shouldn't have
been learned. I mean that is not the right lesson to learn
from that. Let's just assume that you agree that we need that
much land to do this project as proposed. Just for sake of
argument. We want to have control of that land so that wells
and the sands don't get contaminated. How can we allow the
pUblic to use that land that they have purchased in the most
efficient way possible? To like use your dollars in the best
way possible without contaminating that. And one of the ways
is to let people walk around on it because it is beautiful out
there and that is what we were getting at. What other public
purpose can be served? We need the land anyway. Why let it sit
idle if there are some ways the public can use that land
because you own it without contaminating it.
Audience/ (Can't hear).
Kubby/ No water rates, water fees, will be used to build the bike
trails.
Glasgow/ Would you be willing to put that in a city ordinance?
Throg/ Yeah.
Lehman/ In a minute.
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Glasgow! I am just asking, right now, would you be willing to put
that in a city ordinance?
Council! Yes.
Glasgow! Good, I will have it for you tomorrow. I will.
Horow! We will do it ourselves.
Throg! It is important for you to understand we are not committing
money for-Your user fees are not being directed towards the
purchase of bike trails and so on. All this other stuff, we
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Audience! (Can't hear).
Throg! Yes, but it is not being purchased for the purpose of
building trails and if you think that is the case you are
misunderstanding pretty deeply.
Horow! Misinformation.
Kubby! We are trying to have a discussion with mutual respect.
Horow! Jim, do you have another point because your-
Glasgow! I am not meaning to argue with you. I am just saying-I am
trying to state some facts. The fact is the alternative plan
that we presented which uses about 130 acres would be
acceptable by the DNR for a water plant and that means you
don't need to take 230 acres for a water plant. Now, if I can
take my plan to the DNR and have it approved for an Iowa city
water plant and you take yours and have it approved, does that
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Kubby! Your plan will cost us more in construction costs.
Glasgow! Oh, bull. How do you know?
Kubby! Our engineers-our consultant-
Glasgow! Your engineers are getting paid $3 million on this project
and the more it costs the more they get. That is the facts.
Howard Green is on percentage basis with you guys.
Lehman! I don't think that is true at all.
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Woito/ No.
Glasgow/ Want to bet?
Lehman/ I don't want to bet but is not true. A lump sum contract.
It has nothing to do with the cost of the plant.
Glasgow/ You know what it is. You know how much it is? The lump sum
contract.
Lehman/ $2.5 million, I think. That was negotiated. It has nothing
to do with the price of the plant.
Glasgow/ You think Howard Green is going to do anything that guy
says to justify whatever grounds you want to take.
Horow/ Jim, your time is up. Frankly, we are not getting anywhere
with this.
Audience/ I got to leave. I will refer my time to Jim.
Horow/ His time was up at 9:26. okay.
Audience/ (can't hear).
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people want to hear the answers it was written in the paper
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Horow/ That is probably right. It is misinformation so keep on
going Jim.
Glasgow/ I guess back again. The only thing I really would like to
see come out of this is if you guys are going to take this
site then I think the Iowa city people have the right to know
how much it is actually going to cost. If you are going to
take the whole 230 acres or if you are going to stay on this
site, there is a lot of issues that I brought up. Pipelines.
There are trees out there. You are going to take 20 acres of
trees out of this site. That is doing the sludge ponds the way
you want to do them and that is another issue. I am going to
file an environmental law suit against the city for taking
those trees out and Larry Baker and Karen, you guys that are
big tree lovers, I hope you are out there with the first ax.
You know, this is going to cut those trees down and- Well, I
guess I am open to any type of discussion and I would be glad
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Jim Freeman/ I am real short. I believe in what this man says. I am
a Iowa city resident and I have been for all of my life. And
I have drank Iowa city water all of my life and I don't think
I have gotten too small from it and it tastes pretty good to
me. I would like to say something to you city Manager. I think
you are pushing it to the people of Iowa City. Let me finish
before you pull that mic and get on me. I think that you
should go out and talk to the people of Iowa City who are
trying to retire in this town. I have dealt with them for 35
years. I know of older people that live on nothing but $500 a
month. They live in a house and they are proud because they
can pay their own way yet. And what you are going to do for
them is you are going to take their pride and I really firmly
believe that. All of these people are saying just wait. That
is all they are saying. Just wait. I believe the deferral
government will ease this regulation. But maybe you are
smarter than I and you can look at them in the future. But I
also think that you people were voted by the people of Iowa
City. You should listen to the people of Iowa city. Ms. Kubby,
you ask the people back here if we are willing to gamble and
you got a big yes. And I think that will happen throughout the
City of Iowa city. You have to get out and talk in the little
coffee places. Not by churches, not by the Chamber of Commerce
and not by anybody else. I know of a lady who lives on one of
these incomes because I have dealt with her and I have helped
her. I am not asking for any pat on the back. When she cooks
a chicken she takes the skin off it, she takes a knife and she
cleans every bone, even the rib bones to get the meat. Those
are the people that you ought to see and talk to and how they
are going to pay for your water bill and everything else. It
is not the rich people or the poor people or the apartment
owners or the- I like your smile on your face, sir, and I will
be done in a minute so you can do away with it again.
Horow/ Sir, excuse me, the city Manager does whatever the city
council asks him to do.
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that you were voted by the people of Iowa city and I don't
know if I am using the right language or not. Maybe we should
have a recall on the city council. Whatever I am trying to
say. You know what I am trying to say. And find out what the
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people of Iowa city think. That is all I have to say. Thank
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Throg/ For those folks who are leaving I would like to urge you to
watch the remainder of this when you get home or some other
time because that is our only opportunity to discuss some of
the issues that you have raised. To be fair to us and to be
fair to you you need to have an opportunity to hear what we
say in response.
Donna Wilson/ I live at 1926 Broadway. And I have been listening
tonight to all of these big figures being thrown around and I
would just like to say a few words for the people like myself
for whom this whole issue boils down to the fact that I make
$8.60 an hour. I have two children to support on that one
income. And the bottom line is I can't afford to have my water
bill double. There is no way that I can stretch my budget any
farther than it goes right now. And we can talk about hundreds
of thousands of dollars and millions of dollars but I have to
consider the budget that I have to live on and you are making
Iowa city a place where people like me cannot afford to live.
And I think you really need to consider if I have to live on
a budget, you need to work more closely within a budget that
everybody in this town can afford to live with. Thank you.
Dave ClarkI I am here representing 172 home owners of Benton Manor.
They are an affordable housing structure off West Benton
street. Soon, maybe not to be affordable. We, as an
association of 172 condominiums, wish to voice our opposition
not only to the proposed rate structure for the new water
plant but also of the scope of the unnecessary frills included
such as purchases of additional land and who knows what. The
Benton Manor owners sewer and water bills is what I really
want to focus on. There is 172 units and our bill every other
month at present is approximately $4,000. Every other month.
According to the proposed increases, as of January 1995 they
will go to $5700 a month or every other month. That is $1700
which is a pretty good shot on our operating budget for these
units. And let us not forget that the first of January also of
1995 that the sewer rates are also going to increase .0165
cents a unit. Somewhere along in there. These ridiculous
increases are in themselves bad enough but listen to January
1996. For out now $4000 every other month to $7821 every other
month. I know this is a bad pun and it came up before but we
are not a bottomless well. If Mr. Throg's proposed larger user
fee is discontinued these numbers will inflate to yet another
$852 every other month. That is on top of this last increase.
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I would hope that you pay close attention and listen to Mr.
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of us and I would urge you to pour over his presentation very
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John Balmer/ I will remember to sign in, Madam Mayor. I reside at
10 Princeton Court in Iowa city. Speaking to you tonight as a
homeowner with a household of six who are certainly going to
feel the affects of this proposed rate increase. And speak to
you as a former pUblic policy maker that has had the pleasure
to sit on this body and empathize with your position that you
are in and what you are having to deal with and I am very
frustrated knowing that you in many ways aren't the ones that
are proposing this but are having to carry the water. It is
almost like fait accompli and I am hoping that in some way we
are going to be able to send a message to those folks in
Washington because I was very frustrated in my 8 years on
council when we were dealing with this same particular issue
of wastewater treatment plant that we ended up paying a large
sum of money, all of us here are paying for that now. I can
remember back then that there was the carrot that was the
federal government will pay 70% and you pay 5% or whatever it
was. Well, ultimately we paid all of it. Now they are being a
little more upfront. You are paying all of it. I think that is
where my frustration is and I share that with the individuals
here this evening because it is like we don't have any control
over it. And who is promulgating these rules. I think it is
some non-elected individuals in washington, frankly. Sure
Congress writes those laws but who is the ones that ultimately
make the rules and regulations. That is coming from those
folks in D.C. that are non-elected officials. I am convinced
of that. Now, why can't we as a body contact our federal
legislators. I am convinced, as a member of the party that was
just successful, I am convinced that we are not going to see
many changes unfortunately in those rules. I am just convinced
of that and I am being practical I think. But by the same
token I think we would be doing a disservice to all of us here
if we didn I t at least attempt to say okay let's have some
sani ty and some reasonableness to these rules. We cannot
afford, as a community, we have too many people on fixed
incomes, we have too many people that are barely making it and
we have families. Yeah, I will be able to afford it. It is
just going to take less out of what I can do for my kids when
they go to college. I will have two of them in there next
year. So, it is going to be a stretch and I am not the only
one so don't feel that is the case. I am expressing a
frustration as a former public official. I know what you are
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going through here and I have empathy for that. But lets see
if we can't, as a group and a community, work together and
maybe go to our elected officials and see if there is any way
that some 'of these rules and regulations can be lessened. I am
not saying completely eradicated. But I think there has got to
be some reasonableness in this and frankly, what I have heard
tonight, if this is true about the city of Cedar Rapids, I
would like to know how they are doing it for less than we are.
I think that is a reasonable request. I thank you very much.
Throg/ John, can I ask you a question? I am sorry. I was trying to
ask you a question. Somehow my mic wasn't working or whatever.
I hear your point about getting together, sending a message to
Washington and so on. But you're not optimistic about changes
so I guess what I'm wondering is as a former mayor of this
council, as a former member of the city council, if you were
in the position that we're in, what would you do.
Kubby/ Would you take that risk of the fines and the court ordered
plant? Would you?
Balmer/ I think I'd have to look at the what the ultimate cost to
this community would be when you factor that in. Would I be
willing to risk that with the taxpayers? I think that would be
very hard for me to say that I would but I'm bull headed right
now and I'm so frustrated having been on this end and
basically just accepted it before you as this is what we had
to do and we had to live by it but I'd first like to try our
persuasion and negotiating skills to see if we couldn't do it
from that end. I frankly I just think there's that
unfortunately they have that lever on us and if they impose
those fines, I don't know what court of law we'd be able to
win in because they're the ultimate
KUbby/ It's so hard to know what's the responsible, response is.
Balmer / It is and I understand that and maybe that's not what
people here would like here tonight would like to hear, but
quite honestly you have to be practical about it. But I'd like
to see us as a group as a council as our elected officials try
to make that effort to reach out to those people and say hey
we've got a problem and we need to have some help.
Horow/ John, we have no problem, I have no problem doing that and
I don't think the rest of the council does either. I guess I'd
like to be able to assure them however that the citizens of
Iowa city are not looking for the problems that impure water
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will bring. In other words if some of the impurities, some of
the problems, the reason for the clean water act to begin
with, if they show up and the citizens are complaining about
contaminations or health problems that come from impure water,
you know this is what congress has been responding to. Am I
going to say to congresspeople that our citizens don't really
care about health problems, about cancer or anything else,
that they perceive to be in the water.
Balmer! Sue, I don't think we're saying that. I'm saying let's have
them be consistent. We've got a new wastewater treatment plant
essentially. Now we're having to make improvements to it
because of new rules and regulations. The city manager was
telling us that in several years these regulations for water
will get tighter. Well now is that fair to the local
communi ties that have to bear that burden. And how much
further will we have to go. How pure does that water have to
be?
Kubby! How can we get flood and pollution prevention programs? I
mean a lot of us refuse to vote for people who will do
pollution prevention programming on a state level. But don't
want to pay the after the fact cost individually. And that's
a problem too. Someone came up last time and said when are you
going to stand up and I want to then turn it back on all of
you as voters and say when will you elect people to state
houses and to the feds who will do front end pollution
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perspective when I utilize the water system except for the
drinking water which is sometimes granted not the best, but in
any other endeavor, i.e. showering, the laundry, etc. what's
the deal. What's coming out of there is it going to be any
different that's going to make my clothes any cleaner and the
dishes any brighter? You know, it isn't.
Horow! But we have no way of double....
Balmer! I know that Sue and that's what's so frustrating to
people here I think. And I know you share that sense and
I appreciate it, what you're going through.
Nov! I really have to answer that. This business of the EPA
standards has been a bone of contention with cities allover
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campaigned on this issue and lobbied in Washington and we're
a member of this and we've helped lobby on these mandates and
at one point I talked to somebody who works at the EPA. And
said look, we don't need to test for everyone of these
chemicals. Not all of them show up in Iowa. Can't we have a
set list to test for in Iowa and another set list in
California? We don't have enough people to do that, so every
state has to test for every chemical. We will have to test for
chemicals that are found only in Hawaii.
Balmer/ See now that's absurd in itself. There again is a good
reason.
Horow/ But you want to cut government and the EPA does not have the
staff to be able to allow us the flexibility of just testing
for things in Iowa.
Nov/ And they are not likely to hire more staff and make individual
regulations for each state.
Horow/ I mean we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.
Balmer/ I understand.
Throg/ I want to pick up on that.
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plant. It sounds like given the federal mandates, we really
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water treatment plant now. I'm talking about the infiuent
water treatment plant, but perhaps we have some control over
the size,of the plant and I'm wondering about the increase in
the size, the increase in the daily usage that's projected to
be 11.5 million gallons per day for 20 years. Is that correct?
Atkins/ That's about right sir.
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Zell/ So that proportionately that represents an increase in our
population of about 50%. Is that about right?
Atkins/ Oh, no.
Zell/ From 7.5 to 11.5 million.
Atkins/ Oh. Just on the pumping.
Zell/ Just.
Atkins/ No,
Zell/ Well ,where's that water going.
Atkins/ I'm still having trouble with your question. On a peak day,
you're going to love when I say this, the DNR requires us to
design the plant around peak days. So we have to go back
through. our history and we have to demonstrate to them what
our peak performance of the plant is. Then they use that as a
factor in designing. Please don't hold me to all the details
of the thing but that's what we use as the factor in designing
it. And historically that number that you used, about 11.5 to
12 million, that includes certain growth that would occur and
then you have to factor in just general growth with respect to
it's'cheaper to borrow money now than over the long term and
that's why we're going to build the plant, it's about 16
million gallons which means it's full bore. That's when it's
pumping all that it can pump.
Kubby/ So we're saying 20 to 40 years.
Atkins/ Yes. Yes.
Zell/ Well then I guess what I'm getting at is it sounds like
that's the only place where we would have
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Atkins/ Wasn't enough then we could not have the ability to
accommodate virtually any growth at all.
Zell/ So you're saying to replace the plant that we have and to
handle the surges that we have and to produce the quality of
water that we must, if we, just did that, and we had no growth,
we'd save two or three million dollars out fifty.
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Atkins/ That's a very rough estimate staff had. I'm sure I could
come back and get some better calculations for you with the
engineer. We Ive gone through that scenario when we were
talking through the project.
Zell/ Thanks.
Atkins/ Also keep in mind that our intent was to use river and well
water and in periods of drought I recall if it was in '88 we
had the drought year we did not have to dramatically cut back
in our production of water.
Zell/ A lot of our expense will be because we're going to be lime
softening the water.
Atkins/ Technology's the biggest expense there is.
Zell/ Well, it's extremely capital intensive to build a cold lime
softening plant.
Atkins/ I don't know the...I do know the capital intensive aspect
was explained to me by the engineer to put together the
technology. And the other thing is the sludge lagoons, which
we do not now have, to build. We're able to take the water by
product sludge and put it right back into the river. The new
regulations say we can't do that any more.
Zell/ When I talked to' the woman who represents the water
department and asked her about alternative treatment schemes,
she was strongly in favor of cold lime softening and it seems
like that's the wave of the future, but I'm wondering if there
might be alternate pathways at least for the time being that
we' could use to meet EPA standards.
Atkins/ I don't know. I certainly could pose that question to the
engineer.
Kubby/ I did~'t think that the answer given at the last forum was
complete, so I talked to Carol Sweeting, our information
coordinator. I'm not sure of her title.
Atkins/ Water Educator.
Kubby/ Thank you.
Atkins/ You're welcome.
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Kubby/ About this and we are going to be using some carbon filters
to cap off the last part of our process which is a little bit
more expensive but will help with taste and odor and some
pesticide removal. Before when I'd asked about pesticides the
answer was we're going to just continue with our policy of
dilution, but with the carbon filter add-on, we're actually
going to be removing some of the pesticide as well as some of
the Lou Licht poplar tree method that is not approvable by EPA
but we may do some experimental stuff because it is a very low
tech, cost effective way of removing some of these things. The
reason for the lime softening is because especially in periods
when, the nitrate level is high and we'll dilute with the
Jordan water, that's very hard water and it will help us have
consistent water throughout the year by using the lime
softening. It'll take away the hardness and create, will take
organic matter out of the alluvial water anything that's left,
and the river water.
Zell/ Well I can understand the need to control ph for the water
mains to prevent corrosion but I don't know why we have to
control hardness out to the population. Even an industrial
plant will have operators testing influent water and adjusting
their softener influent and make-up accordingly. That's a
point that I don't understand. Maybe that's something that
could be discussed. One more question.
Horow/ Okay. Time's almost up.
Kubby/ Just decrease my talking from his time.
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Dick Dolezal/ Well I was here. There's a crowd outside. That's what
you're not aware of. Earlier.
Dolezal/'llll Marcy. I lived here all my life.
Horow/ I know. But the television audience doesn't.
Dolezal/ I talk to you quite frequently.
Horow/ Right.
Dolezal/ Earlier tonight we had a man here with some what if's and
I have ,some what if's also. What if Mr. Glasgow does not lose
his lawsuit against the city on the condemnation proceedings?
What is the city's plans? What if he says 90 acres is
sufficient? Are you going to build on them 90 acres?
Kubby / We can't do the current plan on 90 acres. We'd have to
change our plans.
Lehman/ It's an engineering question.
DOlezal/ Well I thought we had a timetable that Mr. Atkins gave us.
We have a ,timetable and you haven't got the lawsuit settled.
What are you going to do?
Horow/ okay. Do you really want me to answer it?
Atkins/ The timetable is in order for us to comply with the federal
regulations and they say at certain times, they happen to do
it in July of every year, we must meet a new standard with
respect to the water that comes out of the plant. We are on
schedule right now to satisfy the federal government's
timetable. Could something occur to cause that timetable to go
awry? Absolutely. '
Dolezal/ And you're collecting money ahead of time that you don't
need?
Atkins/ We need to borrow money in anticipation of the fact that
we're on ,schedule. Now if something were to occur financially,
then we can certainly make adjustments. Remember it's a two
year adjustment process. Please keep that in mind.
Dolezal/ If we have the two years then earlier we had several
people say please slow down. And I suggest you do that.
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Horow/ Thank you.
Lou Licht/ I was watching this on television and thought I'd better
come down.
Horow/ You heard your name and.
Licht/ Yes it was just after Home Improvement. I just wanted to
mention that I've heard alluded to using trees and other items
for cleaning water before it goes into our pipe systems and I
did want to mention that I did just return back from Slovenia
Tuesday, last week Tuesday, and as kind of a hobby when I'm
there we're covering landfills as we do here, but there is a
quite a bit of work in the Eastern Bloc using infiltration
galleries to clean their water. So to characterize the
situation, they're not wealthy people. And so their rivers are
quite contaminated with agricultural and urban run-off like
ours and so what they do is bury pipes in the ground and they
pull their water first through the soil and then into the
pipe. So really our alternatives for getting water, we don't
have enough rainfall to feed our water needs by catching it on
the surface so we either take it from the ground water or from
the river. And up to now we've been taking it directly out of
the river, but that makes you very exposed to problems flowing
by you~ So you if you take it from the ground after sucking it
essentially through 200 feet of soil before it gets into your
pipe, it gives you several things. One is you have a buffer so
we have a big rainfall in May and here comes nitrate
fertilizer down the river, well some of that if not all of it
will go into the aquifer and it gives you a chance to kind of
buffer the peaks and valleys of what's in the water. And then
that gives the microbes in the soil a chance to denitrify, get
nitrate out of the water, and,organic carbon that's, in that
alluvium. We've got a lot of alluvium in this Iowa valley in
that soil that was deposited by the glaciers. It gives that a
chance to, the organic matter to adsorb the herbicides or
other things. We were talking about leaks from Interstate 80.
That type of material. And it gives you some time. It gives
you some time to react. It's been my belief that it's, if I
had one thing to do, that I would like to pursue, it would be,
I think that we've all agreed that infiltration galleries have
merit here. I've this part of the design and it seems
that our plant, maybe one of my frustrations, maybe it's
something I don't know, is that if all of our water were to
come from infiltration galleries with no water planned to come
from the river, that would probably substantially change our
de~ign because the sediment from the river substantially would
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be out of that water supply. And then that would also perhaps
eliminate use of ground water. And if we didn't have enough
sediment or excuse 'me, source north of town, well maybe
there's enough or more south of town. Maybe we ought to split
the plant. There's a lot of alternatives here that I don't
know that I've heard have been explored. I believe that
distributed systems not relying on one system but two systems
is 'not a bad idea. We've had a time recently when our water
plant went down and the whole town was out of water. So I
g~ess that trees will not solve the problem. Trees are a great
thing to put over the ground between the river and the
infiltration gallery. It helps keep things clean. It helps get
carbon in the soil. It helps support that eco-system. But
they're not enough for the amou~t of water we're taking out
everyday unless you have miles of infiltration pipe. So I just
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Horow! Thanks very much.
Woito! Lou, can I ask a question?
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Woito! You understand that we are using the infiltration in this
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Woito! Wouldn't your proposal be even more land consumptive, use
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of the river; So you can calculate the yield through the bank
at different gradients and however deep you pipe is you can
calculate how much water comes through a foot of bank. So you
can calculate how many miles of infiltration gallery you would
need. I don't think you have enough on Bruce Glasgow's portion
of land. You don't. So you would have to be using city Park.
Maybe this other peninsula, this area. So there are
calculations. I know that it is controversial and it perhaps
it would require easements and!or parkland and things such as
that. But you probably, wouldn't want industrial development
over the top of these things and the type of sources for
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have the spikes of sediment and nitrate and other 'chemicals in
the river and because we're in our original plan there was not
the use of activated charcoal in the water treatment system,
the alluvium would be your treatment. It would treat your
nitrate. It would treat your herbicide. It would treat a lot
of your priority pollutants that are in the EPA critical
priority pollutants list. So again I just wanted to clarify
that there's no panacea here that you're not going to get a
magic plant system to do what is done by the engineered
systems but of our two choices, the river direct and an
infiltration gallery, again I know that this has been done. I
don't know to what extent, but if we use the infiltration
gallery as a sole source, maybe we have to build a section of
it and really pump it to get good data. That may be necessary.
But it's such a critical problem,and it might reduce it really
by, millions of dollars, the cost of the supply.
Kubby/ Thank you, Lou.
Throg/ Lou, can I ask you one brief question just to make sure I
understand?
Licht/ Yeah.
Throg/ I hear you saying that in order to use this infiltration
gallery which is a very effective way of removing nitrate and
sediment from the water before it gets into the plant in the
first place.
Licht/ Right.
Throg/ ,In order to do that, you need a substantial amount of land.
Is that correct?
Licht/ Well you need again it's a calculation but you need river
frontage. And it might be miles.
AUdience/ (can't hear)
Licht/ Okay, so you may need miles of Iowa River frontage and who
owns that, what their regulations for what you can 'do on that
land or upgradient. But other things that are being done and
I have all this except it's ~n Slovene which makes it rather
difficult. But you get the drift. But they do things like
flood in the winter months when the nitrates low they pump
water upgrade and flood it. And they put millions of gallons
in the reservoir so crafty people that are intelligent but
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without some of the resources that we have, have looked at
ways to provide a safe, no one wants their people poisoned, a
safe drinking'water supply.
Horow/ Thanks for coming down here.
Karmen Glasgow/ I was born and raised in Iowa city. And I guess I
know I just can't go home tonight if I don't have this
question answered. 1 respect Dr. Barker and his statement
tonight that Cedar Rapids built a water plant on 80 acres of
land for $196,000 is just going to keep me awake and I have
toq much to do on Thanksgiving to risk that so what I'd like
to know is why when we live in the educated community that
I've been in, can't we cut 'the cost. I just, 50 million
including one million.
Atkins/ $196,000? I thought it ($35 million) was the number.
(Several voices at once)
K. Glasgow/ Okay but still that's a lot less to me. 15 million
isn't a drop in any bucket I've seen recently. So I still want
that question answered and since the public, everyone's saying
we want our questions answered, I really want that answered.
I know I'm not going to get it answered before Thanksgiving
but.
Throg/ I don't think we're going to answer it but we'll look into
it and answer it.
Bob Welsh/ I'm one of those that isn't watching on television. And
I cam not with any technical comments but probably to make
some very unpopular statements. Number one, I do have the
feeling that we need better water in Iowa city than we have.
I'm distressed when I read the levels of contaminant that we
have and the effect that it has on people's health. So I think
that there's' a safety matter there. I guess I also came down
because Karen you asked the question about risk and I think
you probably, have people those people ,who come to some of
these are people who are opposed to what they think you might
so. I'm not willing to take that risk and I think that delays
from my perspective will do one thing. It will adq to the
cost. Iowa city has had some experience of delays that have
been very costly at this point. I probably have not taken the
opportunity to be as informed as you all would like for' me to
be. I know that people have talked to me who have attended
some of the sessions that your staff has conducted, who have
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told me that they have come away from those being convinced of
source that you're taking is a correct course. And those of
people who have not felt that way when they decided to attend.
So I guess that leads me to make this statement that I guess
I really don't come to ask you to make any specific decision.
I come' to say to you, I think you probably are fairly
representative of this community. I would tell you all
blankly, I didn't vote for all of you. I did vote for, I won't
give you the exact number, but I sure voted for a majority of
you and I guess I want to say I trust you. Now that may be a
very unpopular thing to say about elected officials in our
country today, but no I really do. I guess I trust each and
everyone of you. I differ with you at times. But that doesn't
curtail that resect for you. You have more information than I
have. For example, I,heard people applaud when you said yeah,
you would be willing to pass a resolution that says you are
not going to use any'of this money for bike trails or parkway.
Even with my limited knowledge I knew that you never did
intend that. I am not sure of this but I am not sure that you
could even if you wanted to. But it has never been your
intent. I don't think that is any great concession and
deserved the, applause the people that said hey, boy, we'sure
go this passed. I think that is an indication of
misrepresentation and misunderstanding and I probably have a
lot of misunderstanding without it. I have given you a letter
expressing concern about the impact ,on low income people and
I think that is a justifiable concern that I trust that you
will address. You have addressed in the case of transportation
which you feel is an essential service. I trust you will
address that policy matter for the essential service of,water
and sewage. I guess I am willing to trust you that you will do
that and so I guess in summary please take all of the facts
that you have, listen to all of the input and technical advice
that people can offer you and then make the best decision that
you can. But I guess I do want to express the fact that I went
on the Parade of Homes just recently in this community and ask
the cost of a house. The person said well, this house costs
such and such. But if you wanted it built today, it had just
been completed, it was going to cost $15,000 more. The longer
you delay on what you build, the cost is going to be higher.
And my water rates are going to have to higher and quite
frankly I am disturbed that they are going to be as high as
they are. And so, weigh all of the factors. At least 'I just
wanted you to know that, there was one person in Iowa city and
I don't think I am the only one who really trusts and respects
you and whatever decision you make I trust you will take
everything into account and make the best decisions for this
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community.
Horow/ Thank you.
Gary Sanders/ Iowa city. What percent of the problem of our
drinking water is due to nitrates that come from agricultural
sources up stream?
Horow/'Gary, we don't have that information.
Atkins / Gary, I don I t think we can answer it as a matter of
percentage. I do know from experience and when we have to put
out the public notices that the nitrate level has increased
dramatically and we have an obligation under law to put out a
public notice. I don't know how to measure that as a matter of
percentage. I can measure it with some frequency going into
~ur records but it is the result of chemical run offs. That is
correct.
Sanders/ My only wish and I have been sitting out there for 2 1/2
hours. My only wish is that 1% of the energy that I haye seen
here tonight from all of the anger from people on.these rates
have been directed over the years to our state legislature for
allowing the unbelievable degradation of the rivers of this
state. And a good deal of it is from agriculture. I understand
that it is very important to this state but it is totally
unbelievable to me. And I am upset that people are trashing
the EPA which I believe is trying to protect us. I believe
there are health risks. I believe that we have reached the
point where we have to pay the piper. I don't know if it is
this particular amount but I think the time is here. We have
left the environment basically go to hell in our non-stop
growth, in our non-stop agricultural dependence on chemicals
and I might be wrong but I think we are going to have to pay
the piper and it is unfortunate that it is this city council,
it is this city, it is at this point in time when everyone is
angry about rising prices, the interference of government and
so on and so forth. But. we have let things slide for way way
too long. Thank you.
Throg/ Gary, can I ask you a question? Gary. Would I be putting
words in your mouth if I said something like this? That you
would love to see the state legislature direct funds to Iowa
city to help us clean up the river water that has been
polluted by upstream users.
Sanders/ If we can dream all sorts of fantasies. You know, we could
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start requiring farmers to do all sorts of things. We could
require industrial polluters to do all sorts of things and
residential users and urban polluters. The whole thing, you
know, if we wanted to come up with our dream fantasy. But I
thing the era of the dream fantasy is over and I am sorry to
say that. So I wish ,you all luck. I do. Thank you.
Charlie Greenewald/ This last statement that was made about the
farmers polluting all of this area. I am a farmer. Farmers at
one time were doing the polluting. Nobody knew how much
nitrogen and phosphate and potash to put on. They thought if
they put on 100 pounds they got so much. They put on 200
pounds, they get double that. Well it doesn't work that way.
So, you talk about us farmers. How many trucks do you see go
by in Iowa city spreading fertilizers on these beautiful
lawns? And then nobody says anything about that.
Kubby/ We tried. '
Horow/ We have.
Greenewald/ So those are some of the things that has kind of irked
me. Another thing that I-I was talking to a friend of mine in
Des Moines. They draw water out of there and they have good
water. About 80% of their water comes right out of the Des
Moines River, the Red Rock Dam. So I don't see why we can't
use some of this water around here. We have that Coralville
Dam. Why don't we fix that up?
Horow/ Charlie, we have already-that was already raised this
evening. Mr. Atkins-we looked into this. The Corps of Army
Engineers uses that as flood control. They have to have the
ability to drain it. It is not a constant source that we can
count on. In other words, we have been rejected.
Greenewald/ Maybe we can build our own dam down stream aways. That
is all I got to say. Thank you.
Bruce Glasgow/ Don't take this off my time. I am going as fast as
I can. I guess I must own the 230 acres some place because you
keep telling me about it. I just want to give you all the
information, the facts that I have in my possession and the
people keep calling me ,and giving me more, so you can make an
intelligent decision on this. I was watching television last
night and there was Irving Weber and he stated that knowing
the history of Iowa city leads one to make better and wiser
decisions about Iowa city. So I wrote you a history of this
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farm which we call the Butler farm. It was owned by Mr. Butler
and he had the first bed and breakfast in Johnson County and
you got there with your little covered wagon. He said the
ferry is closed down for the night but you can stay in the
barn and we will feed you in the morning and then when it gets
daylight we will take you across the river. He lived in a
beautiful house up on top of the mountain there. A big three
story brick mansion. It is still there. We preserved'it and it
is going, to be a nucleus for our retirement complex that we
have figured out there. Another thing that we have dope out on
the farm ,there is planted about 3,000 trees in ,the last 21
years. Now this is prime commercial ground and it will net the
taxing bodies about $1 million a year just in property taxes.
The only maintenance required would be that on Dubuque street.
This is what we have planned over the last 21 years. Maybe it
was more years than that. I lost track. But this is probably
the most expensive site that the City, of Iowa City could ever
latch on to. It is I-SO, highway commercial. It has 10 acres
zoned for apartments' and it has got the nucleus for everything
that you see on that map. The total amount of expenditures
that we will have when that site gets completed will be $93
million and $93 million, multiply that by 30 mils and you get
somewhere around $1 million a year and you don't do anything
because this will be a retirement community and we want to own
all of the interior streets, the sewers, the waters,
everything. We would like you to come up with the Fire
Department once in a while but that is about the only thing we
will need. So, as-I call a call'the other day to tell me some
facts that I was thinking about and it makes me want to
reconsider the location of this $55 million water plant. I
would rather have my drinking water drawn from a virgin soil
source and not from. a sewage discharge area fed by North
Corridor, housing and commercial areas. So I looked into it.
There are more than 400 septic tanks draining into the Iowa
River above the Butler Bridge. Those come from places like
Windham Bluffs, River Heights, Thisers Addition, and you name
it. They are all located on the east side of Dubuque Street.
There are more than 100 septic tanks and all of the sewage
effluent from the city of North Liberty drains into Muddy
Creek and Muddy Creek opens right into the Iowa River just
below the Butler Bridge. Best fishing in Iowa city. I have
always wondered why. Now I know. Then there is a large
operating asphalt plant just across the river. This site that
you have chosen is a sewage contaminated area. It really is.
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ten minutes, if that pipeline would break. Because where that
pipeline is located on the highest point of the area and all
that fuel produce would follow right down the ravine and into
the south water plant and then down into the soil and we would
have to buy quite a few trees in 50 years time ih order to
clean it up. And of course the other one is a definite
prospect that every well in the area will go down when you
start pumping. It is no doubt about it. It happened 20 years
ago when the University of Iowa decided to do air conditioning
using wells and the Elks Country Club lost their well. I
bought a' house across the street and we lost ours. It is
predicj:able. So ta]ce that stuff home ,with you and read it and
if you need anymore information just call me.
Horow/ Thank you, Bruce.
Bruce ,Randall/ Iowa city. I am curious about the gas pipeline. Is
it a fuel line, gasoline.
Atkins/ Yes.
Jerry Full/ 906 South Lucas. I was watching television, paying my
water bill and doing my dishes all at once. So I thought I
would come down here. I may have missed some things but has a
law suit been considered towards some of the people that are
putting this in the river. I know it is finding somebody with
20 acres, doing something to their yard or like the tobacco
company law suits that have sued the tobacco companies. Has
anything been looked at like that to make the costs of the
production a real number? Because as far as I, am concerned
what we are paying here today is part of the cost of producing
food and it seems ,to be that that should be paid, for by
everybody who buys food instead of just people in large
communities and along rivers in Iowa. Has anything been
investigated like that?
Atkins/ Help me out a little bit. I am misunderstanding on the law
suit. "
Full/ A law suit against the chemical companies, along those lines
to help subsidize cities that are trying to get their
, chemicals out of the water. Instead of blamin'g unelected
bureaucrats that were hired by elected officials to make sure
our water isn't killing us.
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Atkins/ To my knowledge there has been no such law suit against the
chemical companies. More against the individual who purchased
the chemical and uses ~t inappropriately and the state law is
pretty 'clear. And we have tried for a number of years to have
that process regulated by the state and they choose not to do
it.
Full/ I understand that because of the amount of money that comes
into the election process in the state of Iowa by chemical
companies. I am not necessarily saying the chemical companies.
Maybe there is a large landowner up there that is using large
quantities of chemicals.
Atkins/ The major land owner up stream from the water treatment
plant is the U. S. Government.
Full/ Well, I assume they are not spraying nitrates allover.
Kubby/ They are leasing land for agricultural purposes and we have
talked to them about, watershed management possibilities to
reduce nitrates getting in the river so we don't have to take
them out of the water to use the, drinking water. The lawsuit
question is very interesting.
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wondering if that has been thought of.
Atkins/ I am not so sure how we would fashion such a law suit.
Kubby/ Maybe we have a class action suit and we have a 100,000
people in Johnson county.
Full/' Th~ Environmental Defense Fund would love to jump on that.
okay. Just one more bomb, to reiterate what that gentleman
said that I do feel sorry for you guys about dealing with this
issue and I don't think there is a conspiracy against anyone
in this town or I mean I don't see what you guys have to gain
by ,spending all of this money to do this. So I wish people
would relax a little bit on this issue. Thank you. '
Keith Neuzil/ Again, just on the second round up here. I think
people are forgetting that part of this increase is going to
a sewer plant. This is a sewer plant that back in the
beginning was state of the art and was suppose to carry us
forward. Here again with a little insight. The contractor knew
it was obsolete before it ever pumped one piece of sewage
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Atkins/ That is not correct.
Neuzil/ That is not correct?
Atkins/ That is not correct.
Neuzil/ What happened?
Atkins/ Let me step you through kind of the history of the thing.
Maybe it will help you. When, the project was authorized, I
think it was 1988, it took about two years to build. We
flipped the switch around 1990. It made the plant operational.
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moratorium that we would have ten more years before we had to
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the process and here is where we are today.
Neuzil/ okay. One other question. Has anybody thought about instead
of building a water plant on the Glasgow site, taking the
water from it and moving it off sight and putting it some
place else?
Atkins/ We considered other locations for the treatment process. As
I understood from the engineer the economics simply made sense
to place it all in one location.
Larry Svoboda/ Again. A short thing I wanted to mention. Two weeks
ago I came before you and told you about the problems we had
as landlords with the one water meter system when we have a
tenant that may break a plumbing pipe or break a faucet or
whatever and fail to report to us-to report the problem to us.
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water and not report it to us by that tenant or by another
tenant. One thing I want to try to point out that can help us
control that problem to some degree is to go to monthly
billing rates. I think you really need to seriously consider
that.
Horow/ We are going to do that. Johnny-
John Rummelhart/ I certainly want Ed to get back up here. A major
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point this evening is in reference to an ordinance, it was
touched on briefly by Jim Glasgow, filed August 23, '94. I
hope this is an appropriate time and maybe we can get the
council to act on it. I don't know what happened between then
and now. This is a letter filed, again a number of months ago,
to be adopted part of Chapter 33, liThe proceeds of charges
collected from users of Iowa city's water services shall be
used only for said water service limited to what is essential
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debt service of the city's water treatment facility. Any other
usage of such proceeds shall be in violation of this
ordinance." I am asking and I don't know if it can be tonight
but whenever it could be, if what everyone up here was just
saying earlier. I would like to request that you put your vote
where your mouth is and vote on this as soon as possible.
Again, this has been filed. Let me give it to Linda.
Kubby! We never voted on'it. We received it but we never acted on
it.
Rummelhart! I would like to get that put on file and you folks vote
on it ASAP.
Nov! Linda, didn't we respond somehow on that one.
Rummelhart! Never to me directly.
woito! I never saw it before tonight.
Rummelhart! I spoke here at another meeting.
Atkins! John submitted sometime ago.
Woito! Maybe I wasn't here.
Karr! It was filed August 23.
Horow! John, we have, as you know, intentions to do that.
Rummelhart! That is great. Whatever it takes. from this point. Let's
get it whipped through the system. Let's get it voted on.
Atkins! So your recollections are correct that as a matter of law
you are okay. You can choose to do that. Use water revenues as
you see fit. However, if you choose to limit yourself I would
encourage you to limit yourself only to this particular
project. We have a number of projects out there that were
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purchased with utility revenues. For example, we are building
a soccer field for our Kickers Association on the sewage
treatment plant site. Now the actual construction is being
paid for by general fund moneys. But the site itself was
purchased with utility revenues. So just as you think this
thing through, if you are going to constrain yourself on this
particular site, I would recommend that your policy is very
very specific and the language in John's proposed ordinance is
very general. Just to caution you.
Horow/ We will take a look at that.
Rummelhart/' Perhaps that ordinance could be refined. I appreciate
that point. We are willing to look ,at that. One other point
and I will try to, be brief. As far as the experts and the
appraisal values, the pieces of property, if you folks are up
there and your appraisers you have got working for you-if they
are so sure of the figures, this $1.5 million on this piece of
property, that that is what it is worth, what does it take to
get a guarantee on that. If this goes through court, however
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talking about or on $1.5 million figure. Is that right, Don?
Atkins/ $1.5 million is what we used for the estimate based upon
the appraisals.
Rummelhart/ I think two things. My views are going to be different
from yours. But if your appraisers and your experts are so
certain that this is the amount the citizens of Iowa City are
going to be paying for this piece of property, why can't we
get some kind of insurance upon that figure? It doesn't work
that way does it.
Kubby/ Do you mean that if we went through court and the cost were
more we could go back to the appraiser to make up the
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Atkins/ May I comment, Linda. Rummelhart and Glasgow family has a
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Rummelhart! It is. Well-
Woito! It will be decided under law.
Rummelhart! Correct. But I am saying as far as the citizens of Iowa
city getting a realistic scope on the cost of this thing,
there is a sale going on here on a rosy best case scenario. I
want everybody to know that that doesn't necessarily mean that
is the final price tag for this piece of ground. And I was a
betting man, which I am not, but if I was I'd bet. We will see
how things flush out to the next couple of years. There is
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Horow! John, you are out of time.
Rummelhart! I am out of time? Okay. Can she give me her time?
Horow! Yes.
Rummelhart! Thanks, I ~1ill keep it under five minutes here. A
couple of things, too, as far as forecasting costs. I think
there have been a lot of projects in the past. There is one
that sticks in my head specifically as far as cost overruns
which I think are a concern. I don't know what we have got for
contingencies on the water plant.
Atkins! Can you name the project for me?
Rummelhart! Maiden Lane construction.
Atkins! Because it was five years later.
Rummelhart! This is in less than a t\~O -year time period. From
$30,000 it was going to cost us to over $60,000. That is a
concern. I don't know where this is going. One other thing,
too. As far as how we are going around the costs on our
experts and our engineering people. I just want to-I have a
question as far as who and how and why we are paying somebody
like Kevin Monson from Neumann Monson Architects to be talking
to resident of Iowa city about the site of this proposed water
plant if we are at this early of a stage.
Atkins! I don't recall us paying Kevin. He volunteered his time to
conduct the sherret.
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Rummelhart/ It was volunteer? To my understanding, I can't remember
who I talked to, and maybe this needs to be looked at. This is
a poncern. To my understanding, not Stanley but Howard Green
and Associates hired him as a consultant. I am assuming for
the city of Iowa City to run this dreams fill in the water
controversy brainstorming session on the property and we are
spending money on talking about what we are doing with this
site an4 number 1 we don't even know if we are going to have
a water plant there. We are spending our money on stuff like
this and it makes me sick and that is my comments, thank you.
Kubby/' What is the cost overrun factor or the wiggle room factor
that is built into our financing?
Atkins/ We won't know until we bid, Karen. The sewer project that
we built back in '88 came in substantially under budget. I
mean it can happen. When you it the favorable markets with
respect to bidding, the number of bidders you are going to
have, there are just so many variables. It is correct,
inflation does eat away at the price. The longer you wait the
more expensive it becomes. That is the fact of life.
Kubby/'But we don't factor in a certain contingency for-
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little bit slower than I did the other time. First of all I do
want to express at least my personal point that nothing that
at least that I have said or many of the people are directed
at you folks as individuals. It is an issue that is bothering
us obviously that we are concerned about. Second, I would like
to thank per~onally and publicly Don for his work in providing
information for everyone who asked for it in regards to their
potential water bill. It is very helpful to many people. I
have a couple of questions just for clarification. On the $50
million, is that principle and interest? Or is that just
principle?
Atkins/ Principle.
Barker/ So the total cost and the bonds would be for how many
years?
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Barker/ So it would double' that?
Atkins/ Approximately.
Barker/ Okay. So we are talking $100 million?
Atkins/ In total cash outlay. That is correct.
Barker/ I assume that would be the same with the sewer treatment
plant?
Atkins/ Yes.
Barker/ And so we are talking $200 million. 20% of a billion
dollars over a period of time. I think that has not really
come out too much in the discussion. Other thing that I want
to emphasize is a point I was trying to make of utilizing
experts and people knowledgeable in these areas and I am not
one of them within the community. I think back to the fellow
that has been working in pennsylvania who seems to have a good
bit of knowledge and he apparently lives right here in Iowa
city and I wonder if we knew about him.
Throg/ We have all talked with him.
Barker/ These type of people I am saying we need to explore all of
these various alternatives, too. I am more optimistic than
perhaps some and I am sure more optimistic than Steve in
regard to these mandates being modified by the government. I
would suggest because you folks have the power as being a
public official to contact at least Jim Leach to see what he
thinks and let this unfold in the legislature to see if some
of these unfunded mandates might be changed. And in answer to
Jim's question earlier about who might be responsible for the
nitrate removal and so forth, I do think that there are other
entities that should be reasonable for that. Because
agriculture is a state wide industry. We happen to live on a
river. Nitrates are put in around Eldora and there are put in
in Oxford and so forth. It happens to drain into our river.
And so I would think that there are other entities that
pressure could applied. That this is a common problem of the
state. Agriculture is a big business and farmers are gradually
learning that they have put too many nitrates on and I think
they are try-ing to control' it to. And so I think that this
would be an effort that can be explored. And that is why I say
take a year or two to come about this. It doesn't bother me to
postpone something for a year and I don't accept totally
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although some instances have occurred that it is going to cost
more a year down the line or two years down the line. In
dollars maybe but if it is an inflation thing it evens itself
out and maybe even interest rates will be lower in another
year. So, my main thrust is to slow down, relax, check out the
alternatives, then a rate increase in March of 10% to start
building up a fund that you are going to need. Obviously we
are going to need something. But not the big whammy all at
once. Another question I have just for information. Perhaps
Steve may know. Are there other cities on say the Des Moines,
the Iowa, the Cedar River that are encountering the same
problems and what kind of solutions are they coming up with?
Atkins! I can check for you. I prefer not commenting on what
another community is doing. Our circumstances are
substantially different because we have a 100 year old plant
confined to. a 3 acre site. We couldn't get the technology
necessary to meet the cleansing process for water actually on
that site. I would be happy to report back-
Barker! The same water flows down to other folks.
Atkins! Oh, yeah.
Woito! I can answer that question.
Atkins! But they go by the municipal supplier of that water and we
are the institution that provides it so therefore we are the
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Woito! Steve, I can answer that. There is only one other city in
Iowa that uses river water as heavily as we do and that is Des
Moines. The other cities are primarily ground water.
Barker! And it does bother me that we are proceeding rather quickly
without really knowing what the ramifications of this whole
thing are going to be. One other point I was going to make and
I forget what that was now. Okay, on a lighter note then as I
will close, maybe nobody will follow. On a, lighter note and
with tongue in cheek, have you ever considered as a revenue
raiser. 'putting meters on your fire trucks and charging for
squirting water on fires? That might bring in some money.
Kubby! I don't know. If your house burned down and you had nothing
left, would you want to be charged?
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to echo Dr. Barker's message about maybe it is time to talk to
the federal government a little bit about the predicament that
we are in. I have 20 units in Iowa city that I have contracted
to make available to low income housing through Housing and
~rban Development. That is a program administered by the city
with federal money. And I sign a contract for ten years to
rent my' units for a rent that is set by the federal
government. ,They don't factor in a doubling of the water
rates. It is impos~ible for me to pass that cost on. And that
is the federal government causing that situation and, I think
there is a lot of probably program overlap that you could look
into here that might be good to communicate to them that I am
going to have to violate a contract or pocket this increased
money. I just wanted to- '
Atkins! That is a good observation, Ron, and we were aware of that
when we were discussing our staff that we do provide
substantial housing assistance programs and we are aware that
the potential is that it kind of skinnys up the landlords
willing to participate. I know what you mean.
Kubby! Does the feds allow us to increase what the fair market rent
is?
Atkins! The fair market rent is determined by the feds, Karen.
Kubby! But do they factor in local conditions.
Johnson! That is in theory what should be happening. 'The small
factor of Iowa city I s water increase put into the pool of
statistics that they draw from to set their rents is
insignificant. In fact fair market rents this year in Iowa
city went down. So the amount of money that I am allowed to
charge for rent on low income housing actually went down this
year.
Atkins! You are correct.
Nov! And they don't allow utilities to be figured in somehow?
Atkins! I a~ sorry, I can't recite chapter and verse-
Nov! You could check that out, ,yeah?
Kubby!'The amount people pay' for section 8 is 30% of their income
including utilities.
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Jim Glasgow! Do you mind if I just have you clarify a couple of
points? When I got in the mail in condemnation papers was a
resolution passed by the c9uncil August 2, 1994 and the reason
stated for taking my house was that the city wanted ny
particular half acre of land for what is called multiple
shared uses not incompatible with the water facility, i.e.
bike trails. Now you just said earlier that there was no park
or anything other than the water plant involved in this taking
of ground. So I would just like an explanation.
Horow! No; The water rates, if we are going to charge, would not be
used for anything other than the water plant and' its-
Glasgow! But the purchase of ground and trails you can use it for
or-
Horow! No.
Glasgow! What is multiple shared-
Horow! Steve.
Atkins! Linda. The condemnation process as I unde~stand ~t that
that is a reasonably standard sort of language. What you said
is that if in fact you do any trails, parks, anything you do,
water revenues would not be used. That, is what-
Woito! And the land that the city needs to condemn of yours, Jim,
is not just because of the trails. It is for all the, other
reasons that we have explained in terms of interference,with
the water from your septic system and etc.
Glasgow/ Well, I have only heard one half way plausible reason for
needing my property and that was a septic tank issue. Now you
have got septic tanks draining into that river from allover
the place and I am not within any control zone of any well on
that property. So I don't see where my septic tank comes into
play. And I mean if it is that important you can hook me onto
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sewer Slnce you' are bnnglng sewer over there or
alternatively, you can move your wells down. I mean right now
I am about a thougand feet away from any well and if you are
so concerned about my septic tank, why is the pipeline not a
prime concern because when we were first originally talking
about this land, it use to be just called farm ground, now it
is called Wisconsin Lush Alluvial Soils-highly sensitive but
we still have this pipeline running through it and that is an
issue that nobody seems, to want to address or make a decision
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Woito/ I can address it. The reasqn why that pipe such as that
break are because of human interference which would be digging
for example. Digging'perhaps with the proposed construction
that you have talked about. That is why it is even more
critical for the city to have control over the entire site. So
that does not happen.
Glasgow/ Well, I would not argue with that point but I would also
say flooding is another major consideration of what happened
in Houston when they had the flood that pipeline ruptured. You
are in a situation here where that pipeline runs under the
river and it is probably going to be subject to flooding
multiple ties over the next 100 year. If you are planning to
leave this plant on here for 100 years you are not looking at
a short term item here. This pipeline is going to be there for
100 years and it is 36 years old now and all I am saying is it
may be a minimal risk but it definitely a risk and you are not
only putting the water supply at risk but you are putting
really the $50 million plant at risk over the next 100 years.
I mean that is your decision. All I am saying is that I don't
see -I haven't seen a real plausible need for my particular
piece of property yet.
Woito/ I unde~stand that.
Glasgow/ And the other-the alternative plan that we have submitted
tbat sits on 130 acres on that same site which I am telling
you would, be approved by the DNR. That land is negotiable. It
is not li~e we are sitting here saying no you guys can't have
any land out here. That particular piece which you need to put
this water plant in, that can be negotiated. But not the whole
place. And you are going to spend a lot of money in
litigation. I now at least with me and I am sure with the
other people out there, if you choose to go beyond the 130
acres that,you actually need. And I mean I heard statements
like we are going to jam the plan on,orie corner of this farm.
Cedar Rapids seemed to jam, a plant bigger than this one on 80
acres and what I am saying here is that you can hav~ 130 acres
if you want to negotiate it out. Thank you.
Horow/ Anybody else care to address council?
Kubby/ Before you close the p.h. I have requested that Steve get
out the map for the sewer plant and just show p~ople. I mean
no one is asking any questions. It is almost the same amount
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of money. It is real important that people understand that
project.
Horow/ Moved by Nov, seconded by Pigott (to accept correspondence).
Any discussion. All those in favor signify by saying aye
(ayes).
KUbby/ (Can't hear). And will people please stick around if you can
for the discussion that will happen after this. It would be
appreciated if you can. Or drive home safely and turn on your
television if you happen to have cable.
Atkins/ The aerial photograph in front of you represents the
connection of the north treatment plant to the south treatment
plant. And the project involves, for simple purposes,
construction of about an 84 inch pipeline from the north plant
to the south plant. The south plant will be expanded sightly
in order to accommodate the effluent that will be directed to
the south plant for treatment. The specific purpose of this
project is that under the new federal regulations that were
bumped up on us instead of the year 2000, we have to build
now. That we must dramatically remove the ammonia that is in
our sewage effluent before it goes to the Iowa River. There is
a very small growth factor built in to this project. The most
significant consequence is the removal of ammonia in
accordance with the federal regulations. Okay.
Kubby/ So what is the growth factor? Do we have a percentage of the
capacity or a percentage of the cost?
Atkins/ I can only guess. I would suspect it is something less than
10% of the total project cost. More likely 5%.
Anna BUss/ Karen, in answer to your question, I think that the
sewer plant issue is a lot like when we get our water bills.
We think of it as one total entity because when the city came
out with the water bills this last time, they had the water
rate increase table on the bottom of it figured out by the
month and I made numerous phone calls and mentioned to people
that that was in there and out of I would say 45 or 50 phone
calls n?t one person read it. So there is an issue in itself.
Atkins/ Thank you because you are right Anna. Folks think of it as
the water bill. And in fact it is water, wastewater and solid
waste. They are all built in.
BusS/ That is correct and when you-when we get our water bills, I
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mean I can assure YOll that when I am sitting at my desk at the
first of the month it is not a pretty sight. It really isn't
because I pay bills for a lot of other entities as well as my
own. Sometimes not always in as prompt a manner as I would
like to because they are bigger than they should be. But I can
tell you that since I have lived on Benton Street. I moved
there in 1988. I went back out of curiosity and I dug out my
bills. The amount of people in my house remains about six at
any given time because my house is a duplex. I have children
who are of different ages and they are habitual shower users.
They give conservation of water ,a dirty name I am sorry to
say. They are not going to- I can't pull them out of the
shower. It won't happen. The problem is that the bill has
increased so dramatically in just that short of time I have
never paid bills this high before. My bill is $113 and I don't
sit down and go $50 of this is water, $60 of this is sewer,
$30 is trash. This, that and another thing. All I look at is
the bottom line and when a publications have come out in the
press citizen and wherever else they have come out: the C.R.
Gazette, the 0.1., people see $10 a month. They don't think
$20 every two months. They don't think now add that onto- You
are saying now water $10 a month. But they don't sit down and
say oh now another $10 for sewer so that is $20 a month but I
get my bill every other month and when they really start to
sit down and see some of these figures now on the news. I mean
people see these things. It is like the last time Jim said
well there is only seven of you here. Well, see what seven
people can do when they put their mind to it. Think about the
people who are at home and came in and I am sure you have
received phone calls and letters. But again, to your issue we
just see it as one bill. So, when maybe a lot of us have
spoke, we have been addressing the whole thing.
KUbby/ There is a lot of specific questions about the technical
aspects or the alternatives have been directed at the water
plant. I just want to make sure people understand the other
project as well.
BUss/ Water is cleaner to talk about than sewage.
Kubby/ Thank you.
Horow/ Is there anyone else who would like to address council on
this issue?
Roberta patrick/ I live at 515 Oakland in Iowa city. I have lived
in Iowa city for-well, about 3,000 years. Since 1937. So, that
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sort of outdates most.of you here in the room.
Horow/ By one year.
Patrick/ I would like to speak again for those people living on
fixed incomes and low incomes and some of those fixed incomes
are low. Some of the low incomes are for people who are
working at low wages. I would like to speak very sincerely for
those people because I am one of them. We are going to find it
very very, and I add about fifty verys to that, difficult to
pay the increases that you are proposing. It will be
absolutely a disaster for most of us. Our incomes-there is
just no way to incr~ase in in any way, shape or form. When you
reach the age that I am and you try to think of adding some
more money, there is no way to add it. Where I am going to
find a job? Who would hire me at my age? No one in Iowa city
because it is full of University students, University wives,
other people, people coming from small towns around. I have no
options whatever. So I am asking you-I have a great deal of
respect for all of you. I really do. But I am asking all of
you to think very carefully about all of the proposals that
were offered tonight and the other options that you might at
least investigate and see if there isn't' some one thing or
maybe even another one thing that,you can find that would help
those of us who are going to find it so extremely difficult to
deal with. Thank you very much.
Horow/ Is there anyone else who wishes to address council if not I
intend to close the p.h? Actually we're continuing this to
December 6.
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I speak to you as an outsider. When I sit in these council
chambers weeks and weeks ago on a night on which you approved
an engineering report which is what you're about to vote on,
and I think there's probably a record of what was said that
night and you told your voters that this doesn't mean we're
going to vote for this. What you've really got is you sold
this wrong. You backed the horse into the barn backwards. You
didn't educate the public as to what was going on first and
why. And that's why you have the reaction that you have. It
might be a lesson in 'politics. And if you want to try to tell
them that it's 50 million, you know that it's not 50. You know
that it's not 91. with interest it's admitted that it's 100.
with law suits it's going to be at least 30, that might be
something that 30 million and that might be something that
you're unaware of, but I am aware of it. I sit in a law firm
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and I think all of you' can guess which 'one it was, and this
lawyer was talking to one of you. I'm not going to identify
who. ,And he told whoever it was that he was going to make you
the star of this show and tonight you're on t.v. Maybe it's
time to not back the horse in the barn backwards next time and
go to the public and tell them why you need something rather
than just ram it down their throat. The public needs to go to
the public library, and I think you need to provide more
copies of the engineer reports from Hand R Green than the one
copy that is on reserve at the library and the one copy that
can be checked out, so the public can understand what is going
on and why. Why is HR Green the consulting engineer always for
the Iowa city?
Horow/ That is not true.
Feick/,Well i won't use always emphatically. But that's told me by
a very reliable legal source. I'm not going to mention the
name but you know who it is.
Horowl Your innuendos are getting to me, fella.
Feick/ Really.
Horow/ Yeah. .
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to address council? Then I'd like a motion from council to
continue this until December 6 at which point we'll be voting.
pigott/ Moved by Pigott, seconded by Throg, to continue the,p.h.
until December 6.
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understand why we're delaying the vote, but I'm not sure why
we're continuing the hearing.
pigott/ Well, I think that given the proposals for possible change
in rate structure that should things change it is wise for us
to talk about those possibilities now and have that
opportunity for the people to respond to it before we vote on
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NoV/ I understand and I thought that we had heard three hours of
testimony and three more hours would not likely bring
different testimony. We don't expect people to come in and say
these rates are wonderful.
pigott/ No, but they may have different opinions about the
different proposals.
Throg/ Yes, we do have other proposals that we will be talking
about here in just a couple minutes that people need a chance
to respond to. And no one has had an opportunity to really
discuss them at all because we haven't got them out on the
table yet.
Nov/ Okay.
Horow / There's a motion on the floor and the question is for
discussion. Any further discussion.
Kubby/ My, I have a request and I'm not sure of the appropriate
time, but we're getting a lot of letters from people. And in
terms of deferring the p.h. I want to make sure people have as
much information as they want. And my request is that we
gather these letters and have Carol sweeting our water
educator get a hold of these people ,individually and answer
their questions.
Horow/ I think that's a good idea because some of the questions I
would like to poll them too. It just seems the more that we
talk to people individually, the more we can answer questions.
We can get rid of some of the misinformation that's flying
around here.
Kubby/ And I think that having a consistent person doing that is
valuable.
Throg/ I'd like to make a related suggestion which we talked about
briefly last night. The ordinance that we have before us
proposes a rate increase that combines water and wastewater as
well as a very small increase for solid waste. So my
suggestion is that we separate the two into two separate
ordinances so that we can be...
Audience/ (can't hear)
Throg/ Well that's not quite right at all. As a matter of fact.
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Throg/ Well I'm sorry I shouldn't be talking to him.
Horow/ sir, that's enough out of you.
Throg/ So my suggestion is that we have one ordinance that focuses
on water increases which would be the same increases as are
currently shown on the draft ordinance but would only pertain
to water. And that the other ordinance focus on the wastewater
improvements and would have the same increases as currently in
the draft ordinance but focuses only on the wastewater.
Pigott/ Would clarify the different proposals.
Horow/ steve, that's no problem is it?
Atkins/ Splitting the vote? No.
Woito/ As long as you're changing, not changing the numbers you can
split them.
Throg/ No. The purpose at least as I see it for doing that is
because basically from what we heard tonight hardly anybody is
aware of the fact that we're considering a $41,000,000
increase for wastewater, and that there's a reason for
proposing that. Maybe we shouldn't do it. I hear everybody
clearly on that point. But the rationale for the wastewater
stuff differs from the rationale for the water plant, I think.
Two fundamentally different issues that have some
commonalities and yet we've bundled them together and people
don't understand that they're really different things.
Horow/ Good point.
Lehman/ I don't disagree with separating but I think what I heard
tonight from these folks is it's the water bill which includes
the sewer and I don't think it makes any difference if it's
sewer or water. We're talking about dollars, what it's going
to cost to live in this town. I don't think it has anything to
do with separation.
Throg/ surely if we end up despite what everybody says that if we
end up adopting a rate increase of the kind that's before us
in the ordinance, yeah, it's just another rate increase.
Lehman/ I think that's what we've been hearing tonight.
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Throg/ Right. Sure. But if we separate the two, the votes might go
differently on the two. I don't know. They might. And who
knows, we might end up voting one down or the other. Who
knows. Maybe we'll vote for both, maybe we'll vote for
neither.
Kubby / I had one other thing because of the time frame, we're
expanding the timeframe for the p.h. I would like for the city
council to specifically request that the chamber take a
position on this issue or discuss the pros and cons if they
can't, if their membership is split, because on many of the
issues that have dealt with water quality the Chamber has come
out, for example the pesticide ordinance, the Chamber has come
out with a position, a very strong position, and had their
people here. On issues of growth or when we were trying to get
the process slowed down, when Bruno and Jim and I were trying
to slow the process down to' talk with the pUblic, to gain
support for the issue instead of doing a sell job which is
what we are now in the process of doing, and I'm not asking
for any comment please.
Audience/ Remember what you say will (can't hear).
Kubby/ That they, people were saying, you're anti-growth and they
have positions on growth for economic development as well as
residential growth. I want them to take a position on this
issue or to explain why they can't, or the pros and cons. So
I would ask as a group for us to request that position from
the Chamber... to participate in this discussion and have the
value of their input.
Throg/ It is an important issue for the city (can't hear).
Kubby/ It is the biggest Public Works project, money wise and
possibly facility (can't hear) and affect on community and
history of Iowa City and we need everyone's participation in
this discussion. Could you call so they have some time to get
their membership together so they can respond by the p.h.
Horow/ Okay. Any other discussion. Larry.
Baker/ I think I have to say something. I have some specific
questions I want steve to look into for our next meeting.
There seem to be three recurring concerns or proposals that
came through. I counted 36 people, some of them duplicates.
They got up and talked up front. We can certainly call Jim
Leach and Newt Gingerich and Chuck Grassley and John Balmer
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who has better connections that we do with regard to the
Republican Party. We can certainly talk to those people. In
sending us money I don't think they are going to be very
sympathetic but we owe it to ourselves and the people that
spoke to make that sincere effort to contact them forcefully
and immediately for some clarification on what they see as the
future of mandates and explain our position and have some
response from those people hopefully at our next meeting.
Nov/ I understand that you are struggling to talk. I think it would
help if you moved your microphone close to your mouth. Maybe
you would have a little bit less strain.
Kubby/ And there is a rumor that Newt has an E-mail address. Maybe
we can get a faster response or at least-
Horow/ Great you can do him and I will do Leach (can't hear).
Baker/ The second issue that seems to be coming up a lot was the
comparison of the Cedar Rapids Water Treatment Plant and just
any more information about what is the difference between the
two projects and why. And what are the exact figures, the
problems, the costs 'and what was appropriate there that is or
is not appropriate ~ere. And I know the third issue of the
Williams pipeline location and relocation was part of the
design review. But I think we might want to have an update on
that and talk about ~lhat were the concerns and what do we
foresee as the problems there and what we are projecting
(can't hear). And those three things in particular I think we
need to get some more formal feedback from staff.
Atkins/ I will prepare that.
Baker/ And we will talk about rates (can't hear).
Horow/ Any other further discussion.
Throg/ I would like to bring up two sets of issues. One has to do
with the fact that it is very easy to point blame at
Washington on this issue and talk about unfunded mandates. The
devil made me do it. I was talking with a women this morning
not too long ago who was pregnant and in the hospital and
walked up to the drinking fountain and saw a sign on the
fountain that said don't drink the water. It was a warning for
her not to drink the water. Okay. And it's interesting that
she was, warned not to drink the water because of e~cessive
nitrate levels in the water. Those nitrates come from
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agricultural chemical usage upstream in the Iowa River
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easily point the finger to Washington and say the devil made
me do it. The other thing I want to say has to do with the
proposed rate increase. Last night we-several of us presented
ideas about how to change the proposed rate structure. I want
to be clear about several of the elements involved and I
really want to make sure that anybody who is listening on t.v.
or are here in the audience understands what we are proposing
with these amendments to the-or proposed amendments so that
you have a chance to react to them at the next p.h., two weeks
from now. So the first proposal has to' do with the monthly
minimum that we pay. And the proposal there is for us to adopt
a smaller increase in ,the monthly minimum charge so that the
rate increase will be smaller for people who use less than the
average amount of water. That would apply to people who use
leSS than 750 cubic feet per month. They would pay less.
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second proposal has to do with shifting from what is known as
declining rate structure which means the way it is structured
right now for water is that you pay less. There are a couple
of graduating points where you pay less for each additional
gallon of water that you use. So our proposal is to shift from
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after the minimum fee. That means heavier users would pay the
same rates as lighter users. Okay. The third suggestion and
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today. We have a proposal to charge a special tap on fee for
new users so that new users would pay for the portion of plant
capacity that is meant to accommodate new growth and that tap
on fee would be then redirected ,back into the water revenue
fund. We might think of it as something like a rate reduction
reserve fund. The idea is to at least avoid any future
increases for water and at best possibly reduce rates in the
future like 3, 4, 5, B, 10, 12 years from now on into the
future. So, those are three proposals that we put on the table
last night and I would really invite people to comment on them
two weeks from now because they have a lot to do with who
pays, how much. How much the rate increases would be for
specific households.
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Kubby/ There was one last proposal we that I don't know if Bruno
and Jim and I who had made those other ones together but the
other one was to have-the proposal was to have a late payment
fee of $5.00 and the proposal was to have it be three dollars.
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Nov/ It' is my understanding that we currently have the $3
administrative fee, not a service charge on late bills. It is
quite different from what' you just said and what we are
proposi~g is that since our administrative costs have gone up
we are going to change to $5.
KUbby/ It is called a delinquent sanitary sewer service account fee
in the ordinance. Now I don't have the current ordinance in
front of me and it is slated to be $5 but the proposal was
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Throg/ Can I make one other very brief point? I meant to say this.
The reason for proposing the amendments that Karen just
mentioned and the ones I mentioned is,so that if we adopt a
rate increase that it would be a fairer rate structure that
reduces the economic harm to low to moderate income households
and the people on fixed income. That is, the purpose of the
proposals. $0 if they don't work. It may be that they don't
because we have a unique population of renters because many of
them are students that are living in multifamily units. If it
doesn't work out that way then we need to be'told that. But I
want to be clear about w~at our purpose is.
Horow/ One of the aspects of this, Jim, was that without that
proposal the original rate structure we were talking among all
of us about getting some sort of process to have a sliding
scale or assist the low income.
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Horow/ Right, we had a draft resolution. That is going to take
place regardless. There are the Roberta Patricks in the city
and we do recognize that and that is a concern to all seven of
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Baker/ So when are we going to talk about this again?
Horow/ It will be the 6th.
Baker/ Because I want to make sure the public understands that
Jim's proposals are proposals right now and there is still a
great deal of discussion about those. I mean I think there is
a case to be made that the other rate structure is in itself
a fair rate structure. So I don't want to lose that
designation. But we will talk about those things.
Nov/ A couple of questions arid ,Steve if you can answer these today
do. If not, if you can look up some answers. Do we have any
figures on what water costs are in other cities than Iowa?
Atkins/ We did kind of a brief phone around and tried to-We ended
up contacted 16 other cities. We had 17. And we prepared a
little summary for you if you would like. We do have some
general information about them. Like currently now, with the
current rate structure we are done near the bottom. But with
the proposed increases obviously we are going to go much
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just what their costs are.
Atkins/ Yes.
Nov/ They are not talking about major capital expenses.
Atkins/ Particularly with utility costs being-electricity is a big
cost for a water plant. The local electrical supplier, once
they get a rate adjustment, it does bump our costs
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Baker/ Sue, can I get a sense of-
Nov/ I have got a couple of more. I know that we have looked at
water sources and other treatment styles for approximately 3-4
years. Right. Almost ever since I have been on the council we
have talked about this and I am at the end of my fifth year
here. So we know that these kinds of histories exist. Can we
prepare something like a summary history and hand it out to
the press and leave it at the library? People are saying we
don't have this information. We have never seep it before and
I know that a good part of it has been covered in the
newspapers and I know that people cannot retain all of this.
I can't retain all of this.
Atkins/ Explain to me what kind of summary you would like prepared.
Nov/ A summary of water 'history we have had within the past 3-4
years.
Pigott/ You mean in terms of looking for a location of a plant.
Nov/ Looking for locations, rejecting-
Atkins/ South of town. We talked to the reservoir. That kind of
thing.
Horow/ You were looking in the east.
Nov/ People are saying why haven't you thought about other things
and I am saying yes, we have thought about other things. We
just haven't publicized these thoughts recently and we should.
Atkins/ Okay. We will prepare something.
Nov/ So, if you can give us a,small summary I think that would be
a g'ood idea.
Atkins/ Fine.
Nov/ And we also need to add, to that summary a little bit by
explaining that we need the wastewater treatment because. I
think that has been neglected at times in today's discussion.
Kubby/ And the wetlands option we looked at that was three times
the ~ost that we rejected.
Nov/ All of those kinds of things, yes.
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Atkins/ Okay, we will prepare that for you.
Nov/ One more question. When we talk about an increase in rates, we
start with a March 1 billing which is the example we have in
the current proposal. Isn't that an increase for January and
February? I mean if we are billing in March isn't that an
increase that when into effect two months earlier?
Don Yucui~/ Yes, it is.
Nov/ Okay. I want people to understand that.
Yucuis/ It is for your usage in January and February.
Nov/ So the increase, if ,you are billed in March, is the increase
that started in January? If we switch to a one month billing
that would change?
Yucuis/ Correct.
Nov/ Thank you.
Horow/ Larry.
Baker/ I have variations on what Naomi just asked. I would like to
get some sense from the council about what is your perception
of the pUblic's common theme was stop delay, 'step back. And it
seems that they had three reasons: to consider funding
alternatives or design alternatives which is something Naomi
talked about supplying these to them. Or to wait for a
reprieve from some federal governor somewhere. This is where
the death penalty comes in. I just want to see if there is a
sense that there was any other reason out there for delay
except for those three: design, cost or reprieve.
KUbby/ Information flow.
Baker/ And that leads to my fourth thing which is we may not have
sold this as well as we could have but it is not for lack of
trying. I mean I know that we have all individually
participated in num~rous private meetings, ,neigpborhood
meetings, all sorts of things. I am wondering if it is
possible for Steve and Carol Sweeting and they kept 'track of
sort of like the-
Atkins/ I can tell you-I think, in fact, I sent a memo to you not
too long ago what Carol, alone, had done. I have made every
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round when I have been invited. We have gone to neighborhood
associations. We have been out and about.
Baker/ And I know it is the nature of any big issue it all comes to
a head at the end and I don't want anybody in the-
Atkins/ One of the things the public has to appreciate it is very
difficult to meet one on one or two or three people. We try
to get a gathering together 'and you know what Carol does. She
brings the maps, takes Ed Moreno has done it. In fact, the
Water Watch folks from the county have been very involved.
Baker / You have done television program and public forums and
League of Women Voters.
Atkins/ Yes. We have done all of that.
Baker/ We have individually talked to hundreds of people.
Atkins/ We got a televised League of Women Voters extensive
discussion on that. '
Kubby / 'You know, it might be interesting to take some of those
presentations. The last one with Dave Elias and Carol sweeting
was very good. To have copies'at the Public Library for check
out so people who don't have cable and can't catch it on
pUblic Broadcast. So they can also, if they don't have a VCR,
view them at the Public Library.
Atkins/ Sure,: '
NOV/ The League Forum was done that way.
Kubby/ So, can we make sure there is some extra copies there and
send out a press release fairly soon so people have a couple
of weeks to look at those videos if they should want to take
that up'.
Atkins/ If you remember this is kind of a bad week for folks- We
will try to get it all together though.
Horow/ So they should call both council and Carol if they have any
questions after having seen the video.
Atkins/ I will take care of that.
Baker/ All right, thank you.
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Horow/ Okay folks, let's move on. Any other questions?
Throg/ I would like to thank all of the people who came and stayed
for their contribution.
Horow/ Okay, there is a motion on the floor to continue this until
December 6~ All those in favor signify by saying aye (ayes).
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ITEM NO. 8 - CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 3, CITY
FINANCES, TAXATION AND FEES, CHAPTER 4, SCHEDULE OF
FEES, RATES, CHARGES, BONDS, FINES AND PENALTIES,
SECTION 3-4-3 POTABLE USE AND SERVICE AND SECTION
3-4-4 WASTEWATER TREATMENT WORKS USER CHARGES
(FIRST CONSIDERATION).
Horow/ This is the ordinance so I would entertain a motion to defer
the ordinance to December 6.
Moved by Lehman, seconded by Throg. Discussion.
Throg/ with the understanding that we divided into two separate
ordinances.
Horow/ Right, okay.
Throg/ Do we have to do that officially.
Baker/ We just directed staff to do it.
Woito/ No, you should-You would have to get it on the floor and
amend it and then defer it.
Horow/ Okay.
Woito/ If you are going to separate it, I think you should do it
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this again and we will then ask for an amendment. (Reads #8)
Chair would entertain a motion to accept this. Ernie-
Lehman/ So moved.
Horow/ And you are seconding it (Throg). Now, discussion and now
the chair would be entertained for an amendment.'
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separate ordinances. One having to do with water exclusively.
The other having to do with wastewater and the small garbage
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Horow/ There is a motion on the floor. You made it. Who seconded
it. (pigott). Discussion. All right. All those in favor
signify by saying aye (ayes). Back to the main motion.
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Pigott/ I move we defer the motion until December 6.
Lehman/ Second.
Kubby/ And that is with the understanding that there will-after
some further discussion possibly be three other amendments. Of
a number of other amendments made on December 6.
Horow/ okay. All those in favor signify by saying aye (ayes).
Karr / Madam Mayor, the last one. Bruno moved and I think Ernie
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6 to do that. And I guess I would like to hear from more
people than were here tonight about my question about risk. Do
you want us to take the risk of slowing this down even more
for public information flow and looking at further
alternatives? To take a risk of a court ordered building of
the plant and any kind of fines and what position that places
us as responsible elected folks. I would like to hear from
more people about that.
Lehman/ I don't disagree except that I think that if we want to
know the risk factor we are going to learn a lot more from our
city staff and from the city attorney than we are from the
public.
Kubby/ I am not expecting the public to quantify and maybe that is
a question to ask is what is the quantity of risk and the
measurement of that risk. But I guess no matter what the size
of it is I feel irresponsible not following the law. I need
guidance from people that I work for to say should you commit
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something about the sewage investment. Give us some sense of
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Horow/ This is very distressing.
pigott/ Maybe part of our activity in the meantime is to publicize
in a' more detailed way in terms of what we might know as to
the risk. You know, it is going to cost us $10,000 a day.
Horow/ But if someone is in a bellicose mood and they are feisty-I
have problems with that. '
pigott/ (Can't hear).
Kubby/ You have to choose as an individual council member what you
think is the best course of action. Feedback is one part of
that formula. I need to hear., other people it may not make any
difference what the feedback is and it may not to me. I might
get a thousand calls in the next two weeks saying no matter
what the cost, don't do it.
Horow/ December 6 ~hen. Right now it is set for a continuation of
the p.h. 'and the first consideration. Great.
Kubby/ So do we need to vote on that deferral yet.
Woito/ You already did.
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November 22, 1994
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ITEM NO. g. ANNOUNCEMENT OF VACANCIES.
a, Previously Announced Vacancies.
(1) Housing Commission. One vacancy for an unexpired term ending
May 1, 1996. (Robin Paetzold-Durumeric resigned,) This appoint-
ment will be made at the December 6, 1994, meeting of the City
Council.
(2) Committee on Community Needs. One vacancy for an unexpired
term ending April 1 , 1995 (Marc Libants has resigned). Inasmuch
as his term ends April 1, 1995, the vacancy is being advertised as
a full three-year term in addition to the brief unexpired term. This
extended term ends April 2, 1998. This appointment will be made
at the December 6, 1994, meeting of the City Council.
ITEM NO. 10. CITY COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS.
a. Consider an appointment to the Parks and Recreation Commission to fill
a four-year term ending January 1, 1999. (This appointment replaces
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ITEM NO. 10 - CITY COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS.
a. Consider an appointment to the Parks and Recreation
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1999. (This appointment replaces the School Board's
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Horow/ Last evening council agreed on asking Judith Klink of 1101
Harlocke Street to take this position.' Chair would entertain
a motion to approve that. '
Moved by Nov, seconded by Throg. Any discussion.
Throg/ I had a cQnversation with someone today who pointed out how
important it is to involve younger people on P/R Commission
because there are so many participants in their programs who
are young. So we might be looking that way in the future.
Horow/ All those in favor signify by saying aye (ayes).
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ITEM NO. 11 - CITY COUNCIL INFORMATION.
Horow/ City council information.
Baker/ Somebody called me today and I promised I would ask this
question from West High School. They said they were having
problems with the light out there and he had reports about
this. That the left turn light. The right is doing green and
red, green and red. But the left is not coming on. That is
just the report.
Atkins/ The light. Is there an arrow? I have not been out there.
Horow/ I went through it on Wednesday and it was working fine.
Kubby/ Let's double check.
Baker/ It is just that somebody said they are having problems with
it. And also somebody said it is a very short arrow.
Atkins/ Short as in timing. I will take care of that.
Horow/ I would just like to comment that I appreciate the efforts
that Dr. steven Fox and Alan Roberts put forth in bringing the
Kosai Town Cultural Delegation to Iowa City last week. This
was truly enj oyable and those who took part in all of the
events: Senior Center, city High School, Library, Art Museum,
Clapp Recital Hall. Just had a wonderful time. I certainly
did.
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ITEM NO. 13. RECOMMENDATIONS OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
a. CONSIDER A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PARKS AND RECRE-
ATION COMMISSIONS.
Comment: At their meeting of November 9, 1994, the Parks and
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11/1/94, and forward them to the City Council for adoption. This matter
should be referred to the Council Rules Committee for recommendation.
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ITEM NO. 14. CONSIDER RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO SIGN AND CITY
CLERK TO ATTEST AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN STANLEY CONSULTANTS,
INC. OF MUSCATINE, IOWA, AND THE CITY OF IOWA CITY TO PROVIDE
CONSULTING SERVICES TO PERFORM VALUE ENGINEERING STUDIES ON
THE IOWA CITY WATER FACILITIES IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
Comment: This value engineering study by Stanley Consultants will analyze
the water facility design work completed by Howard R. Green Company in an
attempt to reduce the overall cost of the project. The study will be restricted
to facility design and construction. The work will be divided into two phases
with the first phase conducted upon completion of the design outline and the
second phase conducted at approximately sixty-five (65%) per cent of final
design. The total cost of the value engineering study is $56,000. Public
Works recommends approval of this agreement.
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ITEM NO. 14 - CONSIDER RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO SIGN
AND CITY CLERK TO ATTEST AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN
STANLEY CONSULTANTS, INC. OF MUSCATINE, IOWA, AND
THE CITY OF IOWA CITY TO PROVIDE CONSULTING
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THE IOWA CITY WATER FACILITIES IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
Horow/ Moved by Pigott, seconded by Lehman. Discussion.
Kubby/ I have a problem voting for this and would rather defer this
to December 6. Depending on what kind of feedback we get in
between time, I can't support this and would prefer to defer
it until the next meeting.
Horow/ Is there any other discussion?
Nov/ Do you think that we should not have someone review the design
or what is the problem?
Kubby / I think we should but I think that there is a process
problem for me personally. That before I vote on the rate
structure that implements the actual project I don't want to
commit to spending more money to review that project. Since
they can't do this anyway until we get the ball rolling for
the rate structure if that is true.
Horow/ I am not sure I understand your rationale. I really don't.
Because this to me would be something that is ongoing and
would indeed almost add to our knowledge.
Kubby / But it is like saying we-Before we voted on the rate
structures it is like saying we are going ahead with this
project with no changes. There could be some changes if we are
truly open to looking and listening to some of the feedback.
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Nov/ I was thinking stanley Consultants could propose changes.
Throg/ When is the study going to be finished though? That is the
question.
Lehman/ I think this is a great idea because we have already
committed what, $2.5 million in design or whatever. It isn't
a matter of whether or not we are going to build a facility.
It is how can we build it most efficiently. I don't think this
has any bearing on rates. It is doing it-None of us are
engineers and we got hit tonight with all kinds of questions
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that none of us could answer because we do not have the
expertise. This would make me much much more comfortable with
Howard Green I s proposal to us because we have an engineer
critiqueing an engineer. It has nothing to do with rates. It
has to do with the most efficient possible plant. So I would
favor it.
Pigott/ One of the reasons, even if we are open to suggestions to
Changing the facility, this still might be necessary after
that process. So that is why I would support it. Not because
I agree with you in terms of being open enough to change the
designs if that were something that we found necessary. But at
the same time after that I would still think it would be
necessary to have an engineering consultant firm.
Kubby/ While that may be technically correct, there is a headline
tomorrow that says p. h. continued but council votes $56,000 to
have a second engineer review the project. A very long
headline. Not very powerful or punchy. I guess that is not my
job to do but I think it creates-
Baker/ It seems like we are doing exactly what the public wants us
to do. Look for alternatives. This is what they are doing.
Kubby/ No they are not. This is, to some degree, that is true.
Baker/ To reduce the overall cost of the project.
Kubby/ I agree but it is looking at-It is not changing what we are
going to do. It is saying this is the method by which we are
going to treat water and the kinds of wells and this is the
lime softening we want and we have it all figured out. How can
we do what we figured out better? Not what are better ways to
treat our water. Those are two different questions and clarify
is I am wrong, Steve. Doesn't this look at the proposal that
we have and how can we do the treatment processes that we have
decided upon? To use the most state of the art, the most
efficient and cheapest technology to do that.
Atkins/ It is a technical review.
Kubby / But it doesn't create other al ternati ve ways of treating our
water. It is how do we do the way we have already decided upon
the cheapest possible way.
Atkins/ It is not an expansion of your option list.
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Kubby/ And that is the problem I have.
Pigott/But and this doesn't change it if we do decide to expand the
options. This doesn't tell us is what we are doing is sticking
with this present program. All it does is say when we do form
a program a design for a plant if it is changed from tonight's
version of it that that too, whatever we come up with will be
changed.
Kubby/ And I could agree with that when we have gone through the
process. It is a technical-
Horow/ There is a motion on the floor. Okay.
Throg/ I fully agree with Ernie that this is a terrific idea. I
think it would really be a value to us with regard to the
plant that we choose to build. But I completely agree with
Karen that we shouldn't vote on this until we decide to go
ahead with the rate increase. So I want to defer as well and
I don't see-I mean, help me out. Tell me if there is some
severe implication associated with this. But it seems to me
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Pigott/ I don't have a problem with deferral if it is a big issue.
Kubby/ I guess I would ask the motion maker and the seconder to
remove those so that we could move to defer and see if that
went. If it doesn't really make a difference I think it will-a
perception problem.
Woito/ A motion to defer supersedes the other one.
Horow/ Moved by KUbby, seconded by Throg, to defer. Discussion. All
those in favor signify by saying aye. Four ayes to December 6.
Motion carried. Opposed: Baker, Nov, Horow.
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Horow/ So it is 5-2.
Throg/ To be clear, I don't think there is anybody at the table who
opposes the idea of doing it.
Nov/ Since we have deferred everything else, it doesn't do any harm
by deferring it.
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ITEM NO. 15. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION RATIFYING SETTLEMENT OF PENDING
'1t~ 34-'1 LITIGATION.
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Comment: On October 22, 1993, Debbie Olson filed an action in district
court against the City as a result of injuries sustained in a fall on city-owned
property on Madison Street. The City Attorney has negotiated settlement in
consultation with the Finance Department. This resolution ratifies settlement
of the litigation, as required by Chapter 21, Code of Iowa. The City Attorney
recommends adoption.
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ITEM NO. 16. CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING AND REGULATING THE
LOCATION OF ENTRANCE DRIVES TO PRIVATE PROPERTY ALONG AND
ADJACENT TO U.S. HIGHWAY NO.6 FROM THE WESTERLY CITY LIMITS
TO ROCKY SHORE DRIVE IN IOWA CITY, JOHNSON COUNTY, IOWA.
(FIRST CONSIDERATION)
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Comment: This ordinance regulates the location of entrance drives along 1
U,S. Highway No. 6 between Rocky Shore Drive in Iowa City and First
Avenue in Coralville in conjunction with the Highway No. 6 Fifth Lane
Improvements Project, and as required by the Iowa Department of Transpor-
tation. The City Attorney and the City Engineer recommend approval.
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ITEM NO. 17. CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 14, "UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT
CODE," OF THE CITY CODE, BY AMENDING CHAPTER 9, ARTICLE A.
ENTITLED "PARKING FACILITY IMPACT FEE," TO INCLUDE COMMERCIAL
DEVELOPMENT. (SECOND CONSIDERATION)
Comment: These ordinance amendments would require new commercial
developments in the Near Southside Neighborhood to pay a parking facility
impact fee. Adoption of this ordinance should only occur after Council's
adoption of the amendments to the Zoning Ordinance to require parking
spaces for commercial uses in the Central Business Support Zone.
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ITEM NO. 17 - CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 14, IIUNIFIED
DEVELOPMENT CODE, II OF THE CITY CODE, BY AMENDING
CHAPTER 9, ARTICLE A, ENTITLED "PARKING FACILITY
IMPACT FEE,II TO INCLUDE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
(SECOND CONSIDERATION)
Horow/ Moved by pigott, seconded by Baker. Discussion.
Nov/ I think we have to discuss this a little bit. Larry can't
talk, I know. And this has been something that the council has
discussed back and forth, back and forth and I would like
people to think a little bit more about it before we get to
third consideration for pass and adopt. The issues here are
becoming very clouded, almost for cross purposes. We are
saying that required parking in CB-5 is X amount, only 25% in
allowed on site and that cannot take more that 50% of ground
floor and then there is an impact fee. Maybe we should
consider this as more of an option. Give people a little bit
more flexibility on this and I am not proposing a specific
flexibility but maybe we could somehow figure out a way that
people could say I do want parking on site or I would rather
spend the money and give you a fee for the parking facility.
similar to what we are doing with Neighborhood Open Space. We
are saying people who can give us (can't hear) dedication of
land and so far we haven't been quite that open, quite that
optional in our talk about parking. I would like us to think
about that before we get to the third vote.
Kubby/ Do you want to allow people to put all of their parking on
site?
Nov/ If all of their parking will take no more than 50% of that
ground floor. Yes, I would.
KUbby/ So if they wanted to dig down or go up that would be okay.
Nov/ Because we are giving them a great deal on the impact fee. The
cost of them putting in all of their own parking would be much
higher than paying the impact fee. It is really a bargain.
Kubby/ $2,000 a space is a steal.
Nov/ That is what I am saying and I don't see why, after I have
thought about it for umpteen weeks, it has to be quite as
complicated as what we have produced so far.
Baker/ But you are saying, Naomi, that you are still- we are also
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adding a parking requirement for commercial. You would keep
that and just amend the impact fee.
Nov/ That is what I am thinking about.
Kubby/ So Larry had requested that someone who voted against his
proposed amendment about having hotels have options of
providing their-paying the impact fee or having a parking
agreement with the city instead of, in some cases, having
both. If people wanted to resurrect that and reconsider it.
llorow/ I would reconsider it but only for more than just hotels. It
would have to be for-
Nov/ I am really talking about everybody not just hotels.
Baker/ You want to talk about all commercial development, parking
impact fee, or parking contract. We haven't talked about that.
Pigott/ Either they pay an impact fee or they do a contract with
the city.
Lehman/ The problem with a contract is that we do not have the
capacity to give all commercial in that area permits in the
ramp.
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Nov/I wasn't talking about contracting.
Baker/ (Can't hear) Look at possibly eliminating that requirement.
My head is not that clear.
Nov/ Larry, think about this. We haven't mentioned hotels. I am
talking about just parking requirements, parking impact fees
and not giving people a firm commitment on exactly how much
they have to do here or there. Understand. It is really going
beyond hotels and contract.
Pigott/ Explain that a little more, Naomi.
Nov/ If you have a structure that has a requirement of 50 parking
spaces and if you have enough land that you could put 50
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parking spaces on your own property, it can cost you $10,000
a parking space. And you may choose to look, I can buy 50
parking spaces by parking impact fee at $2,000 a space. And we
are not going to say you must do it this way or you must do it
that way. Give people some options. A hotel is not likely to
build parking. We know that.
Baker/ One thing I need clarified is those figures of $10,000-
12,000 per parking spot. Is if we build a ramp that is what it
will cost us? Somebody that already owns their own land, it
may not cost them that much to put in that parking space. I
just don't know. We haven't talked about it.
Nov/ They may have to go underground in order to spend that much
money. I understand.
Baker/ I would be glad to talk to you about it.
Kubby/ Which means the December 6 meeting which is already so far
a very heavy meeting.
Baker/ We just have two items: water rates and south side.
Nov/ This is also a meeting where we want to do a work session
prior to the-
Kubby/ Better bring in the espresso machine.
Franklin/ If you make an amendment to the ordinance on the 6th, we
will be bumping the consideration of the Near Southside
Package. You will need to start over and give first reading at
least if not-I don't know whether we will have to go to a p.h.
again or not.
Baker/ What is this major or minor amendment? Where is the trigger
here?
Pigott/ This would be a major amendment.
Franklin/ I don't know but you would have to give the amended
ordinance three considerations because you would be talking
about a different ordinance than what you are talking about
now.
Woito/ No. This is less onerous. You are not going to have to start
over. If you were being more onerous I would say-
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Franklin/ But they would have to give it three readings, correct.
Yeah.
Baker/ But we would have to set the p.h.s. (can't hear).
Woito/ No (can't hear).
Throg/ Naomi, did you think you might write up a very brief
statement about what you are proposing so we can have-
pigott/ Yeah, that would be helpful.
Nov/ Yes, I could do that.
Throg/ And we are also pretty tired.
Nov/ Yeah, that is why I am saying let's not do it today.
Horow/ All right, do you wish to vote. There is a motion on the
floor for second consideration. Roll call-Okay, second
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Iowa City City Council
Regular Council Meeting
November 22, 1994
Page 19
ITEM NO. 18 - CONSIDERANORDlNANCEDESIGNATlNGANAREAOFTHECITYOFIOWA
CITY, IOWA, AS AN URBAN REVITALIZATION AREA WHICH SHALL BE
KNOWN AS THE NEAR SOUTHSIDE COMMERCIAL URBAN REVITALIZATION
AREA. (SECOND CONSIDERATION)
Comment: The proposed Urban Revitalization Area includes the area zoned
Central Business Support Zone, generally located between Burlington and
Court Streets and along Gilbert Street. Adoption of this ordinance designat-
ing the proposed Urban Revitalization Area is required to implement the Near
Southside Commercial Urban Revitalization Plan; therefore, final passage
should occur only after the Council's adoption of the Plan,
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ITEM NO. 19 - CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE DESIGNATING AN AREA OF THE CITY OF IOWA
CITY, IOWA, AS AN URBAN REVITALIZATION AREA WHICH SHALL BE
KNOWN AS THE NEAR SOUTHSIDE RESIDENTIAL URBAN REVITALIZATION
AREA. (SECOND CONSIDERATION)
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Comment: The proposed Urban Revitalization Area includes an area zoned
Planned High Density Multi-Family Residential Zone and Central Business
Service Zone, generally located south of Court Street along Linn, Dubuque,
Clinton, Capitol and Prentiss Streets. Adoption of this ordinance designating
the proposed Urban Revitalization Area is required to implement the Near
Southside Residential Urban Revitalization Plan; therefore, final passage
should occur only after the Council's adoption of the Plan.
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ITEM NO. 18 - CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE DESIGNATING AN AREA OF THE
CITY OF IOWA CITY, IOWA, AS AN URBAN REVITALIZATION
AREA WHICH SHALL BE KNOWN AS THE NEAR SOUTHS IDE
COMMERCIAL URBAN REVITALIZATION AREA. (SECOND
CQNSIDERATION)
Horow/ Moved by Pigott, seconded by Baker. Any discussion.
pigott/ Yeah. I would just like to talk for a minute about some of
the conversation we had last night concerning the resolution
which is part of the larger package here and part of the
reason that I am voting for this ordinance and have already is
because we have agreed upon on working on an ordinance which
would provide public space for public use and last night we
talked about another resolution which we were to pass which
would have signaled our intention to vacate Dubuque street and
we decided last night, informally it seems to me, that we
would not vote on that resolution and I just wanted to say
that doesn't mean that we are not considering that option.
That that has not disappeared. I read the headline of the
Daily Iowan, today, that we have cancelled consideration of
South Dubuque Street as a possibility for providing public
space for public use. 'However, it also does not mean that we
are not considering other options. I think that should be very
clear because I think that, you know, that is a real key part
of this plan and I think it is important that we investigate
'objectively all options including vacating Dubuque Street. So,
with that in mind.
Horow/ Okay, any other discussion. Roll'call- Second consideration
passes with Kubby voting no.
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MEMORANDUM
To: Mayor, City Council and General Public
From: City Clerk
Date: November 21, 1994
Re: Additions to the Agenda
Item Hall City High Little Hawks Football Team Recognition Day. November 20, 1994.
Item #4c(5) Consider a motion approving a Class B Beer Permit for Mazzio' Pizza, 1950 L.
Muscatine Ave.
Item #4c(6) Consider a motion approving a Class C Beer Permit for Fareway Stores, Inc.
2530 Westwinds Drive.
Item #4f(6) Memorandum from Traffic Engineer regarding:
(a) Stop sign installation in Creekside Neighborhood - Addendum #1
(b) Stop sign installation in Near Northside Neighborhood. Addendum #1
(c) Stop sign installation in the Teg/Aber Neighborhood. Addendum #1
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e CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITlE 9, ENTITLED 'TRAFFIC:
CHAPTER 9, ENTITLED "DEFINITIONS, ADMINISTRATION AND
" ENFORCEMENT OF TRAFFIC PROVISIONS," SECTION 6, ENTITLED,
"APPLICATION OF PROVISIONS" OF THE CITY CODE BY ADDING A NEW
PARAGRAPH APPLYING THE PROVISIONS OF THE TRAFFIC TITLE TO
BICYCLISTS. (2nd consideration)
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Comment: This amendment applies the traffic regulations to bicyclists, and
requires individuals riding bicycles to follow the "rules of the road" applied to
other vehicles. This action makes clear that bicyclist must follow the rules of
the road, and tracks state law. /III #
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CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 9, ENTITLED "TRAFFIC,"
CHAPTER 1, ENTITLED "DEFINITIONS," SECTION 7, ENTITLED "TOY
VEHICLES," OF THE CITY CODE BY ADDING A NEW PARAGRAPH TO
PROHIBIT TOY VEHICLES OR SIMILAR DEVICES UPON SIDEWALKS IN THE
COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. (1 st consideration)
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MEMORANDUM
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DATE: November 18, 1994
TO: 'city Council
FROM: City Manager
RE: Work Session Agenda and Meeting Schedule
Monday
Special City Council Meeting - Council Chambers
Executive Session (Pending Litigation)
6:50 P.M. - City Council Work Session - Council Chambers
6:50 P.M. - Review zoning matters
7:50 P.M. - Near South Side
8:15 P.M. - Court Hill Transit Route
8:25 P.M. - Council agenda, Council time, Council committee reports
8:40 P.M. - Consider an appointment to the Parks and Recreation
Commission
November 21, 1994
6:30 P.M. -
November 22, 1994 Tuesday
7:30 P.M. - Regular City Council Meeting - Council Chambers
November 24, 1994
THANKSGIVING DAY - CITY OFFICES CLOSED
Thursday
November 25, 1994
CITY HOLIDAY - CITY OFFICES CLOSED
Friday'
December 5, 1994
6:30 P.M. -
Monday
City Council Work Session - Council Chambers
Agenda pending
December 6, 1994
7:30 P.M. -
Tuesday
Regular City Council Meeting - Council Chambers
December 19, 1994 Monday
6:30 P.M. - City Council Work Session - Council Chambers
December 20, 1994 Tuesday
7:30 P.M. - Regular City Council Meeting - Council Chambers
, PENDIIlG LIST
Appointments to the Housing Commission and Committee on Community Needs -
December 6, 1994
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