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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1994-11-22 Agenda ",:.:.. "..' d:.{j!~~~'" I~ ' .'f /" ,. .~ ., . >~:t,., . ..:'~ 1\'" ;"'. '~ ,;, ,~' " ~ " '" " , , '",~ ,.. '~; : . . . ,', . . . '... , .,. ._ .__..._ ~"c...-'< "~""",;"",:-"^,,.,-..,, "'-..'. '..\ .'... ....:.1- '",.,..-,,', ".'.'~ ~"_:';-;,'...': ;':;,,1,:.-,,-- ",',./,_ ,,: ~ r..,.".......",~ IOWA CITY CITY COUNCIL AGENDA I F ....-:.... .. , r, .,1 ,..\: i (~., ~:; I " I~.i '..1 ~ , ~ REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING OF NOVEMBER 22, 1994 7:30 P.M. \ i I . , I I I : I i r:'1 ;;,,1<;,) '" . 'F 1 . I. r:~;'~'.'~.l'.."" II; . .' ..f;,.. . " ---, .:( ~'-.- '.~'. ,,--- COUNCIL CHAMBERS, CIVIC CENTER 410 EAST WASHINGTON ., I. ~, .~ .po I' pi~ ': ;';,'. }~' .:).\"': I 'U,o', i;\!I~, .11;.,,'. .....8,,\ ;},~f'I~, . ~ J.. ."..,.....,.,...............,....'.'_."..". :,,/2i,?h'.' '.' ..... .,.,,"."'..'''.;..... .' 'I':" ," "0' . ,0 ... ,'" ....,' ':.", :,-,..' .. ',.. ' .. ",' .. ,", '.' . '1'.', . . c;,. . . :-"l . . , , _,.::/:'"'' ,~'.' , :..,...).. . " . .~,~'"' 'I" .' " ,,!1rM~' ~': , ('''' ' \ .;.:i4 If I . ~ : I , I I I r~ r ~ l'lJ " "1' .:~: ,~; I~l V~j. '1, L.' 'C3 .::';. " ~ , "". :1'1',( .' ,': '. ',,',.1,, ~ '. " " ,~ I . . . ",.'~""'::';'J .1..,:,,:,':':';::'..,f';';~':'-_ ~_:~.;..-;.;~~ ;.;:....-.:.'.::...;,L.,::.;;.;:.:;:..:;~;~;~,;.',._,.:~.:,.c'..::,~'....,;~".~:i.,..~ ;.. '-'.,"'''',...." ,.~,' '. ,'.- <.., ,-" .'__'_" .-, ~.. ,..,.,,,' .'__' i ,'''."1 i ,:. '''':i:' ," "-.,' :.',', "",' _'. ~'"....".. ., ,. ,I:, . ....-,...,-_.-,,-,....~..,:',:,~,.. AGENDA IOWA CITY CITY COUNCIL REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING - NOVEMBER 22, 1994 7:30 P.M. COUNCIL CHAMBERS ~ ~ ?(aMJ , ~~ ~ ITEM NO. 1 - CALL TO ORDER. ROLL CALL, ITEM NO. 2 - SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS. a. Presentation of Outstanding Student Citizen Awards to students of Lincoln Elementary School: (1) Joel Donham (2) Justin McDonald (3) Heather Pezzella (4) Kimberly Popendorf ITEM NO.3 - MAYOR'S PROCLAMATION. , .. ,~ ,.. a, City High Little Hawks Boys' Cross Country Team Recognition Day. November 22, 1994, b. ," J~ c-&. Family Week - November 20-24, 1994, €I ~ iJ.dddzon ITEM NO. 4 - CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS PRESENTED OR AMENDED. a. Approval of Official Council actions of the regular meeting of November 8, 1994, as published, subject to corrections, as recommended by the City Clerk, b, Minutes of Boards and Commissions, (1) Animal Control Advisory Board meeting of September 21, 1994, (2) Board of Adjustment meeting of October 12, 1994. (3) Charter Review Commission meeting of November 2, 1994, (4) Airport Commission meeting of October 3, 1994. (5) Airport Commission meeting of October 18, 1994. (6) Board of Library Trustees meeting of October 27, 1994, 17l Planning and Zoning Commission meeting of November 3, 1994, (8) Historic Preservation Commission meeting of November 8, 1994. (9) Civil Service Commission meeting of September 28, 1994, (10) Parks and Recreation Commission meeting of November 9, 1994, "..,-~. . -........ .-t'"-.,.' -,' ...,.T.....,.' .: ...~..\.':'::.'.."...," __ _~ _ ___ ...:. _~. __."0,.,,1';' ..... 11, ':... ~ ^.~" .1 .. . , ~l' . ~l , ~; ... [;~,\ .,. " .is ,0 '* \.... . ,/ ~ , .', ~;'...." , . "----.,, i' [."'\\ \l" ...\~ ~ (r ' I I. i f 1 ~l \! , I I' I lL...... -0 ", . ,. \"-\ <, ',~ r '. \ '!, ~. , ~ '.... ., ;'.. "," ~ '. . " ,;,-', ......',.... "... . "',........'''-.,'.,....''''., .' , #2a page 1 ITEM NO. 2 - SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS. a, Presentation of outstanding Student citizen Awards to students of Lincoln Elementary School: (1) Joel Donham (2) Justin McDonald (3) Heather Pezzella (4) Kimberly Popendorf Horow/ First one is Heather. Heather is a sixth grade student whose is a responsible group member in school activities, excels in organizational skills and readily assists others. Thank you, Heather. This citizenship Award says for her outstanding qualities in leadership with Lincoln Elementary School and for her sense of responsibility and helpfulness to others. We recognize Heather Pezzella as an outstanding student citizen. your community is proud of you and presented by the Iowa city city council today. congratulations. The next award goes to Joel Donham. Joe is a fifth grade student who is described as an optimistic individual. He works cooperatively with all students and adults while maintaining a flexible, easy going attitude. I like that. congratulations, Joe. Justin McDonald. Justin is a sixth grade student who displays leadership qualities towards his fello~l students. He was elected to be the treasure of student council and one of the safety patrol officers. Justin has taken an active role in planning safety activities for Lincoln students. congratulations. Kimberly Popendorf. Kimberly is a fifth grade student who is reliable and a conscientious worker and is eager to learn and continually challenges herself to think beyond the assigned task. Congratulations. Thank you very much. This represents only a roesonably accurete transcription of the lowo City council meeting of Novamber 22, 1994, F112294 ---- - - r~ - ......)....'.... 0,'. .;: , . . ., " ",I'", :,'." , , ,.' I " 'i, 1,1' ~\ ,W; . ". ,r'- I C. :l~ ~., ~ 0, ;~: ~~ ,. ' ',,," I - r (~! \ \ '1 ~ , (-\1 i / 1 ! ! " Ii , I , , , I I I , W ~ Pf i~,~,... " ,1' j ~~"I'..' ,'-'.. -~ (--~T~' ,. ',1'1". ;'~I;ll. '. . ,,' .~ , . ','-:'. , '. ...... . ..... ':' .'...' ""-:'':.'''''-'_.' .,,,,,,,..,-', #3a page 1 ITEM NO. 3 - MAYOR'S PROCLAMATION. a. city High Little Hawks Boys' Cross Country Team Recognition Day - November 22, 1994. Horow! I urge all citizens to pause and reflect on the efforts and the accomplishments of these young citizens who have worked so hard to earn the distinction of being the best in the state. steve Marsh! On behalf of Head Coach Bud Williams, I would like to thank the city and the Mayor for this proclamation. It is greatly appreciated by the athletes at city High. This was another successful year for city High Cross country, as stated in the proclamation. The boys have won the state meet for the fourth straight year. They have gone undefeated this year in beating teams in Illinois and the state of Iowa with a combined record of 135 teams beaten and losing to O. I feel that the athletic teams at city High as well as other teams in Iowa city are true representatives of excellent student athletes in the City of Iowa city. Once again, thank you for this proclamation. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of tho Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994. F112294 -= ~,~' L _", ..,.0,);,:,....... . , - ".~"-,.. .:. _,i f" , I"'" , "5 l ,\ <<, r i , I. I I , I , I I . :;~ a' vO.. . . t.irr-'- ~._- "L. ooJ~/;21.' .j r \ t1 \ i i , I ! , : I II l :,.. '," j ~l " " '.:1).... F L I"~, ~ . , "~to . \~ I, ~ '. ,.., , '". ,-:, ..-,;...--),,:,;,.-...~. , , . .~ _, .... "_'.._.". _'"'.'_' '--'_'~m_'_' ....__ . . ...__,~ .',,"'" .L.... .-,' ~,-..."_ ".,.. '. , .....,."...,....,. , " City of Iowa City MEMORANDUM To: Mayor, City Council and General Public From: City Clerk Date: November 21, 1994 Re: Additions to the Agenda ~City High Little Hawks Football Team Recognition Day - November 20, 1994. Item #4c(5) Consider a motion approving a Class B Beer Permit for Mazzio' Pizza, 1950 L. Muscatine Ave, ' Item #4c(6) Consider a motion approving a Class C Beer Permit for Fareway Stores, Inc, 2530 Westwinds Drive. Item #4f(6) Memorandum from Traffic Engineer regarding: (a) Stop sign installation in Creekside Neighborhood - Addendum #1 (b) Stop sign installation in Near Northside Neighborhood. Addendum #1 (c) Stop sign installation in the Teg/Aber Neighborhood - Addendum 1/1 Item #4f(7) Letter from Christina Randall regarding the Court Hill bus route. Item #4f(8) Letter from Kevin Hanick regarding new southside development. Item #20 CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 9, ENTITLED "TRAFFIC," CHAPTER 9, ENTITLED "DEFINITIONS, ADMINISTRATION AND ENFORCEMEtilT OF TRAFFIC PROVISIONS," SECTION 6, ENTITLED, "APPLICATION OF PROVISIONS" OF THE CITY CODE BY ADDING A NEW PARAGRAPH APPLYING THE PROVISIONS OF THE TRAFFIC TITLE TO BICYCLISTS. (2nd consideration) Comment: This amendment applies the traffic regulations to bicyclists, and requires individuals riding bicycles to follow the "rules of the road" applied to other vehicles. This action makes clear that bicyclist must follow the rules of the road, and tracks state law. Item #21 CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 9, ENTITLED "TRAFFIC," CHAPTER 1, ENTITLED "DEFINITIONS," SECTION 7, ENTITLED "TOY VEHICLES," OF THE CITY CODE BY ADDING A NEW PARAGRAPH TO PROHIBIT TOY VEHICLES OR SIMILAR DEVICES UPON SIDEWALKS IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. (1st consideration) _4U ~.".. '=" ,) .' 0 ,./ . :,' ... . o I I J\ t.. . ~l ~ .- I . , .r.. ,/"lO, .:,-; ". , I;", ..,'~k\'I:" , '. , ,"!. ,~' , .r"'i " , ~ta': /, . '",j, , '~, . '.',...;' ':;". ~ . f" ',--._' ,,,,',"_ ..,.,__ ;t'". "_~"'.__"__"M ., Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting November 22, 1994 Page 2 c. Permit Motions as Recommended by the City Clerk, (1) Consider a motion approving a Class "C" Liquor License for Inc., Limited dba The Sanctuary Restaurant, 405 S. Gilbert. (Renewal) (2) Consider a motion approving a Class "C" Liquor License for The Ground Round, Inc, The Ground Round, 830 S, Riverside Dr. (Renewal) (3) Consider a motion approving a Class "C" Liquor License for Pagliai's Pizza Palace, Ltd" dba Pagliai's Pizza, 302 E. Bloomington St. (Renewal) (4) Consider motion approving a Class "E" Liquor License for Randall's International, Inc., dba Randall's Pantry, 1851 Lower Muscatine Road, (Renewal) ~ ~.6Yf d, Motions, (1) CONSIDER A MOTION TO APPROVE DISBURSEMENTS IN THE AMOUNT OF $8,421,072.77 FOR THE PERIOD OF OCTOBER 1 THROUGH OCTOBER 31. 1994, AS RECOMMENDED BY THE FINANCE DIRECTOR SUBJECT TO AUDIT. e. Resolutions. 9+"- ~43 (1) CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO SIGN AND THE CITY CLERK TO ATTEST THE RELEASE OF A PUBLIC WALKWAY EASEMENT LOCATED ON LOTS 9 AND 10. WEST SIDE PARK. AN ADDITION TO THE CITY OF IOWA CITY, IOWA, AND TO APPROVE AND EXECUTE A SUBSTITUTED PUBLIC WALKWAY EASEMENT FOR LOTS 9 AND 10 OF THE SAME PROPERTY .' C i, , r I I I Comment: Pursuant to a Conditional Zoning Agreement between the City, West Side Company and Smith-Moreland Properties, the City possesses a public walkway easement on Lots 9 and 10, West Side Park, Iowa City, Iowa. Public Works has recommended the release of the existing easement and the execution of a substituted easement to comply with actual construction in the area due to amendments in construction plans, The substituted easement expands the existing public walkway easement area from ,48 acre to 1.21 acres and allows for flexibility in the actual location of the public walkway after further development, This Resolution authorizes release of the existing public walkway easement and the execution of the replacement easement. I I' , I i i 1 i : I : I "- ,.~ 'j; ~I " ;;. iI, G-' ,: 0 .-,. " . ',:, --------_...,-- .11 -..I>..... 1.- - ,.....'~;j,::: ~P' o I . , ., . ',\ " I, iAt\ .. ., I / ~'i:.l: B o' .... '., ,!...) 3 ~imkm .,~......'">lI, " \"j ~ . . ~? i '. '- .V'~ 1 ". ~:....' -':~: ,', , , - '. ,.-. , .' ~ :: ;,',":;:; : ,~;;""" ,,;,,~.-.'- .:;;, :.:.~',.:. -;:;' , "'" ':; .\ ~~ ~','::....'- -' City of Iowa City MEMORANDUM To: Mayor, City Council and General Public From: City Clerk Date: November 21, 1994 . Re: Additions to the Agenda Item #3c City High Little Hawks Football Team Recognition Day - November 20, 1994. onsider a motion approving a Class B Beer Permit for Mazzio' Pizza, 1950 L. uscatine Ave. Item #4c(6) onsider a motion approving a Class C Beer Permit for Fareway Stores, Inc. 2530 Westwinds Drive. "Item #4f(6) Memorandum from Traffic Engineer regarding: (a) Stop sign installation in Creekside Neighborhood - Addendum #1 (b) Stop sign installation in Near Northside Neighborhood - Addendum #1 (c) Stop sign installation in the Teg/Aber Neighborhood - Addendum #1 Item #4f(7) Letter from Christina Randall regarding the Court Hill bus route. Item #4f(8) Letter from Kevin Hanick regarding new southside development. Item #20 CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 9, ENTITLED "TRAFFIC," CHAPTER 9, ENTITLED "DEFINITIONS, ADMINISTRATION AND ENFORCEMENT OF TRAFFIC PROVISIONS," SECTION 6, ENTITLED, "APPLICATION OF PROVISIONS" OF THE CITY CODE BY ADDING A NEW PARAGRAPH APPLYING THE PROVISIONS OF THE TRAFFIC TITLE TO BICYCLISTS. (2nd consideration) I ;'J I I I Ii I: !: I , : , ~', I : j'" ! i i : I ! ""f; ~~,:,,,. .I Comment: This amendment applies the traffic regulations to bicyclists, and requires individuals riding bicycles to follow the "rules of the road" applied to other vehicles. This action makes clear that bicyclist must follow the rules of the road, and tracks state law. ' Item #21 CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 9, ENTITLED "TRAFFIC," CHAPTER 1, ENTITLED "DEFINITIONS," SECTION 7,' ENTITLED "TOY VEHICLES," OF THE CITY CODE BY ADDING A NEW PARAGRAPH TO PROHIBIT TOY VEHICLES OR SIMILAR DEVICES UPON SIDEWALKS IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. (1 st consideration) p , \'1:1.... .., 1,: :.i;...~.. i'.'jt*t , ",. , '" l,,,-.~ ,(~"~ O"~ ' " ,~~- ~ '~''')'. .- -;- f" . , , ......'",.....'.. . I ".' :) ~ 10, ,_....-, , h, . ,1j,W~ ,,'.-.;1," ,- .& C- \ ~ I i I ~, Ii i I , ' , I , I i 1 II~: !l ;,.", ]A "'~:[".:..'.' i.;~~! Ii F\. ;~'" , " ''-.. . \"1, ":, "',': ',- - ~t 'j, \ !., . ...:.' ,. "",.. , .I" ".; .-.,..', ~ .. f" , . ' '. , . ".';,-;'.,'",--... .'.','..':..,; . ";-,;,.:,.,,,:,; '.',\.';';,,_._.:,,'..'.".,-;,;.""-,.,~-, Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting November 22, 1994 Page 3 (21 CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF A RELEASE FOR LOTS 8, 9,10 AND A PORTION OF LOT 15, WEST SIDE PARK ADDITION. Comment: The Conditional Zoning Agreement for the property located in West Side Park, an Addition to the City of Iowa City, Iowa, creates a potential lien against a portion of the rezoned property in the event the City exercises its option to construct certain walkways, This potential lien places a cloud on the title of Lots 8, 9, 10 and a portion of lot 15, This Release facilitates the development and sale of Lots 8, 9, 10 and a portion of lot 15 while adequately protecting the City's interest by retaining a lien on lots 8, 9, 10 and the remaining portion of Lot 15 in West Side Park Addition. (31 CONSIDER RESOLUTION APPROVING, AUTHORIZING, DIRECTING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE AND THE CITY CLERK TO ATTEST AN AGREEMENT FOR THE USE OF PUBLIC PROPERTY BY AND BETWEEN THE CITY OF IOWA CITY, VILLAGE GREEN SOUTH L.C., AND VILLAGE GREEN SOUTH HOMEOWNERS' ASSOCIA. TION FOR PLACEMENT OF AN ENTRANCE SIGN ON STREET RIGHT-OF-WAY WITHIN THE VILLAGE GREEN SOUTH DEVELOP- MENT. Comment: Village Green South L.C., developer of Village Green South - Parts 3A, 3B, 4A and 4B, desires to place a distinctive entrance sign within the Wintergreen Drive right-of-way, which is a City street located in the Village South development. Village Green South L.C, and the Village Green South Homeowner's Association will maintain the entrance sign, Public Works/Engineering recommends approval of this resolution, f, Correspondence. (11 Letter from the Chair of ICAD Board of Directors expressing appreciation for support from the Iowa City Council, (2) Letter from Mildred M, Flynn regarding noise problems in the vicinity of Ecumenical Towers. A reply from Mayor Horowitz to an earlier letter on the same subject is attached, (3) Letter from Jim Glasgow regarding the proposed water treatment plant site, (4) Letter from Duane Bickford submitting twelve ideas for consider- ation. ('" I 0 ii". 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" Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting November 22, 1994 Page 4 (5) Notice of purchase of equipment from Central Procurement and Services Division, This is placed on the agenda in accordance with state law, /lte-- a.dcVJ-I cfY} g, Applications for City Plaza Use Permits, (11 Application from the Iowa City Astronomy Club for permission to set up equipment on College Street adjacent to the Public Library on November 11, 1994. (approved) (21 Application from the Partisan Defense Committee for permission to set up a table on November 19, 1994, for the purpose of distributing literature and accepting donations, (approvedl (31 Application from the Downtown Association for permission to place lights on the trees on City Plaza beginning November 19, 1994. (approved I h. Application for the use of streets and public grounds. (11 Application from The Salvation Army for the use of public sidewalks in various locations for their bell ringers during the period of November 17 through December 24, 1994. 7Aif / flrr c1/J d/J?1Mut~ ~ % END OF CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM NO.5. PUBLIC DISCUSSION (ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA). -()/ .~ ...=~ '.2,--.:...0 )"" .' iI, I " ~ I . ,,1:'-,.-1 .-, " ',. ,~ .. ' ',,',.. '" -.' , ..,. ._11 "'I"." "~" , , . " I I f" j " p, r .! , I,D', '-''', -j 2-7a< .~ ~t\. \'1.', , , ~, , '.,", ~ ., . . ,'","";' . f" .. "".;~':-i',,-,-,-;--"" " City of Iowa City MEMORANDUM To: Mayor, City Council and General Public From: City Clerk Date: November 21, 1994 / Re: Additions to the Agenda Item #3c City High Little Hawks Football Team Recognition Day. November 20, 1994. Item #4c(5) Consider a motion approving a Class B Beer Permit for Mazzio' Pizza, 1950 L. Muscatine Ave. Item #4c(6) Consider a motion approving a Class C Beer Permit for Fareway Stores, Inc, 2530 Westwinds Drive. Item #4f(6) Memorandum from Traffic Engineer regarding: (a) Stop sign installation in Creekside Neighborhood. Addendum #1 (b) Stop sign installation in Near Northside Neighborhood. Addendum #1 (c) Stop sign installation in the Teg/Aber Neighborhood. Addendum 1t1 Item #4f(7) Letter from Christina Randall regarding the Court Hill bus route. Item #4f(8) Letter from Kevin Hanick regarding newsouthside development. ,~- ..r r~\ ~ 01::- i-Ie,- , . Ir , , Item #20 CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 9, ENTITLED "TRAFFIC," CHAPTER 9, ENTITLED "DEFINITIONS, ADMINISTRATION AND ENFORCEMEf\JT OF TRAFFIC PROVISIONS/" SECTION 6, ENTITLED, "APPLICATION OF PROVISIONS" OF THE CITY CODE BY ADDING A NEW PARAGRAPH APPLYING THE PROVISIONS OF THE TRAFFIC TITLE TO BICYCLISTS. (2nd consideration) Comment: This amendment applies the traffic regulations to bicyclists, and requires individuals riding bicycles to follow the "rules of the road" applied to other vehicles. This action makes clear that bicyclist must follow the rules of the road, and tracks state law. ' " I , , , , ; h i , I" , i (' j ~~ ) Item #21 CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 9, ENTITLED "TRAFFIC," CHAPTER 1, ENTITLED "DEFINITIONS," SECTION 7,' ENTITLED "TOY VEHICLES,. OF THE CITY CODE BY ADDING A NEW PARAGRAPH TO PROHIBIT TOY VEHICLES OR SIMILAR DEVICES UPON SIDEWALKS IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. (1st consideration) I" \,~~';' t l,i. ': f;l~; 1'- ~~ Il~ ~ 'ill ~ ~ rr , ;. " :C_o ..- ~',,~ . , ~ -- - j ,'"",-" I i 0, 0 1'/5 - .- - ,,0', ",~- \ "..c._" " .. mm'" J, ,'.,..)1'.., 1 . 1 /;\ ".. " ,.[~. (I; , l' ~, r J II' , II' " I \, , Ii , ~ 11 ~L)' (Co " ~ , .:.- ':~- , " ,"""\1"" ' "..'-::"\1" ,.'. ,",",-'J. .. ,: .~. ,:' .', ''''t,' . ,...: ,~.~; ~~'~~ ;~~ lA.' ~2J,}~"-,;,. ,,",~'~~~;,,!;8.;..~~,~j;;~: ,:;G;~;i~,,:.;j:~';~~;;~L~:~~;~;"'~:;:~~~';;~~"';;;~.~i~~"~'-':~r~;2~ ~'~'J"':~"'" .;~'.\,: f" '..;-0- ',-,',,' :,:",....-...:.;"'>I.:N.'.."..',.~..._,,''''.~'r~.....'',~...''',.._ ~_.__~_ " Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting November 22, 1994 Page 5 ITEM NO.6. PLANNING AND ZONING MATTERS. a. Consider setting a public hearing for December 6, 1994, on an amend- ment to the Zoning Ordinance changing the use regulations of RM-12 zoned properties located generally along Fairchild and Davenport Streets between Dubuque Street and Dodge Street, and in the 200 block along Bloomington Street from RM-12, Low Density Multi-Family Residential to RNC-12, Neighborhood Conservation Residential. Comment: At its November 3, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning Commission, by a vote of 4-0, recommended approval of rezoning an area located generally along Fairchild and Davenport Streets between Dubuque Street and Dodge Street, and in the 200 block along Blooming- ton Street, excepting RM-44 zoned properties along Dubuque Street, from RM-12 to RNC-12. The Commission's recommendation is consistent with the staff recommendation. Action: ;f~ ~) b. a#~ Public hearing on an amendment to City Code Section 14-6E-7, to regulate the location of parking spaces in the Central Business Support Zone (CB-5l, Comment: At its October 20, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning Commission, by a vote of 6-0, recommended amendments to the Zoning Ordinance to prohibit access to parking areas from the street in the CB-5 zone, and to require that at least 50 percent of the ground floor area be used for commercial use. Action: ~~~ ~ i'I,~."T' T ,-Od-- " ,),..'"...'.' ,'!,~,.,.;:~,. ">;',' :~:..:i' .' ,.. . ".' ,,"1', _01 ..~" .',;.".r,."..".,'",.......," -, ".'" ".', ,>:1,' , '. II T"""': , It. .l~) '1' I ,I , , . i , I I I i 10, ":"':':1" ,." ~,: " ,-,',... . 1':'1' :,; ',' " :, ".~t~:.; , . . -' ..\l,~ ' ,,'. ,,-', '. '~ . ", ...... .\;. '-" ~ . ", . ' , "., ...", ',>.,1""' '_' :..,. ...-.:,::".;..-~_';:'I~'::""-:j. ~'~~:.-~' -,:;.:".:..':;.L:",';.d,~~::;~.: ':'~':';,""::,~~'.~~: ",,~',~ :;:;' ,...~~~~....::.\ '. ;1~"\-:.'~~::,.:.-:.:::~ ;_'::.-'.!;.;,~', --;;:, :; I f" '('; :;,:.:, "",.p :~,.:.~ ;;~"":";':"~d:;;".'r_.",~,,,,,.. _~,...'~~_____ , Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting November 22, 1994 Page 6 c, Public hearing on an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance to change the use regulations of a 5,52 acre property located east of Waterfront Drive and the CRANDIC Railroad right-of-way from CI-1, Intensive Commercial, to CC-2, Community Commercial, (REZ94-001 0) Comment: This item was deferred from the November 8 Council meeting. The applicant has submitted a revised plan which no longer / .', would require the vacation of a portion of Waterfront Drive as specified in the original Conditional Zoning Agreement. If the revised plan is to be approved by the Council, the alternative Conditional Zoning Agreement, item d. below, would need to be approved, and item e., the original ordinance and associated Conditional Zoning Agreement, would need to be voted down, The alternative plan and Conditional Zoning Agreement are consistent with the Planning and Zoning Commission's and staff's recommendations, This public hearing was set to permit public comments on the alternative Conditional Zoning Agreement. Action: Y\o lM1.V ~~ '- , , , , ' d, Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance to change the use regulations of a 5.52 acre property located east of Waterfront Drive and the CRANDIC Railroad right-of-way from CI-1, Intensive Commercial, to CC-2, Community Commercial. (REZ94-0010) (First consideration) ('"'~'~ (, r" : \t 1.:::- ;. ~ ; I. Ii , I: ~ I: I: I Comment: See item c. above, ~"j/ flr- _ :v 1h/ Action: ~% l e, Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance to change the use regulations of a 5,52 acre property located east of Waterfront Drive and the CRANDIC Railroad right-of-way from CI-1, Intensive Commercial, to CC-2, Community Commercial, (REZ94-00 10) (Pass and adopt) Comment: See item c. above. Action: 'h/~/rt~J ~ ( ~Pt?/ 1.IAA'j f ~cv ~'>> ,Y- '-_ 0 ",')".,",', " ,:.\~:,:, - I,:"""" ~-~~_~-.~--- , L::. -0" "', " '.! '. II" l:"'"'' :/:~ D, , -"-'; " ",~ .R' ','-),:' ",-..'", "'.' /" ,~"l'''l f , "\ ~ ,,,~~ 'I' II' I , I " : I i : I I , ~, I II':' \ I J :1.,;. " ~ LA '(- .~- .' " , ---_._~ ., ,"',': '" , :,~r:.\'l" ~ . .., ~ ." . ,'~. ~ " .......; l,'.',,'_ ~':,;,: ,.;;;",',;, .....u '< ;~~:"i;,'_' :':,~;,~I,_:',',,;;'.';' : ' '. #6d page 1 ITEM NO. 64. Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance to change the use regulations of a 5.52 acre property located east of Waterfront Drive and the CRANDIC Railroad right-of-way from CI-l, Intensive commercial, to CC-2, community Commercial. (REZ94- 0010) (First consideration) Horow/ Moved by Nov, seconded by pigott. Any discussion. Kubby / Can we see the two plans up so people can see the two alternates and which one passes and doesn't passes. Franklin/ This is the first plan which is the subject of item e. and basically calls for the vacation and closing of Waterfront Drive through the site. Kubby/ will you point to where that is on the map. Sometimes it is kind of hard to see the first time you look at something like that. Horow/ Handy dandy laser. Franklin/ This is the area where we would vacate Waterfront Drive. This is the new site plan and it calls for a continuation of Stevens and a 90 degree intersection with the RR tracks and then continuing south abutting the site of the HyVee development down along the existing alignment of waterfront drive. This is the conditional zoning agreement which is the subject of your p.h. tonight and a subject of item #9 which is here for first consideration. Horow/ Item d. You are looking at it upside down. Franklin/ What did I say. Horow/ #9. Franklin/ I did? okay. Horow/ Any questions. All right. Roll call- (yes). Okay, first consideration passes, 7-1. 7-0, I'm sorry. This represents only e reesenebly eccurete transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994. F112294 .~ ...,. \ -- ,',... -' -.J" , . , , ,,' , ' ",," ,'0, .... ':', , '" '" ,', ',' ",:',,:: ' '," ' ',,' -L ' ' \,::.;".'\:' f" I i I i I , , t I '/'~ ,Ii, \. '~" . '10, " .. <"...,. " ,mvm"-, ' ,'" ~ : ;.,-.~ . .' :~: 'j . ~1 '>\r~:' " . ,11.\ ..," , - , . ~;.: , '.......,.,.-',,, . " #6e page 1 ITEM NO. 6e. Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance to change the use regulations of a 5.52 acre property located east of Waterfront Drive and the CRANDIC Railroad right-of-way from CI-1, Intensive Commercial, to CC-2, Community Commercial. (REZ94- 0010) (Pass and adopt) Horow/ We must merely bring up and vote down. Moved by Nov, seconded by Lehman. Any discussion. Kubby/ I said this last night but I want to say it again. When we have an ordinance we have three meetings where we vote on it and sometimes it seems like a waste of time and here is one instance where we would have passed and adopted this if we only had two readings of an ordinance. But some new ideas came in and we found a better solution for an area. So it points to me how valuable three different readings are. Horow/ Roll call- (no). Okay. It has been defeated. ,,...: i', ',' 1\' ("';'\ \ '~(. I ' ! ' ; , i I " i I , ' ! I I ~~, I , I , .J "1iiJ 'fi'1 , 'j "..,.~.i,; ~', ~t'..1 :,1, ~ , ,-" This represents only a roosonobly OCCUlOto transcription of tho Iowa City council mooting of Novombor 22, 1994. Fl12294 (-- : 0 "i ' : :--- -'-- ----~-'- -.- - J,,",' ':,~ :'I'~ .':,)~'~':~', . "', ""l I I f" " I I I 1 I I 10 I ". " I ' "I ' 1/)' , 0, ':' l~ d.Wri....',' . , ) .-~ i"-:"I" l" " , ' .." ,! c-" , \1 \(., ,j , , :'~'('i f' \ i ~ i I I ! ~,:,i i" J. ~~..,~-;:,:I ':~"I,",',':.' '~\ ,~ t1~\:, L_.~ ([ ;,.., ~ " {" ..', . . :'\t' . .' : ~, \ \'1. i, , , ..... ~ , ",'" -' , '. . '. ' ":'~'''';'c' :...-.,',', ,'....,.,,'_,"~"...,...._~__ Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting November 22, 1994 Page 7 f. Public hearing on an ordinance vacating a portion of Waterfront Drive located southeast of the CRANDIC Railroad right-of-way. (VAC94- 0006) Comment: At its October 6, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning Commission, by a vote of 4-0, recommended approval of the vacation of a portion of Waterfront Drive located southeast of the CRANDIC Railroad right-of-way subject to certain conditions. The Commission's recommendation is consistent with the staff recommendation contained in the staff report dated October 6, 1994, No comments were received on this item at the November 8, 1994, public hearing, which was continued to November 22, 1994, If the alternative conditional zoning agreement with Hy-Vee Food Stores, Inc. is approved, this vacation should be withdrawn, Action: ~/) f'nIt7 / 1tt:'A.AP~ g, Public hearing on an amendment to the Comprehensive Plan to change the land use map designation of property located east of Harlocke Street from 16-24 dwelling units per acre to 2-8 dwelling units per acre. cruel/.;) Comment: At its May 5, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning Commission, by a vote of 5-0-1, with Dierks abstaining, recommended approval of the amendment of the Comprehensive Plan land use map designation of the subject property from 16-24 dwelling units per acre to 2-8 dwelling units per acre, The Commission's recommendation is consistent with the staff recommendation contained in the staff memorandum dated September 16, 1993. Comments were received at the previous public hearings on this item, The public hearing for items g., i., k., m. and 0, were continued from October 11, 1994, to Novem- ber 22, 1994, to allow further negotiations and development of a plan for this area, \) on } n II ''fuw. I' II tJ. _ . n, A,Hon: ~"',y r'r: ~j- L ~ ~ ~ h, Consider a resolution amending the Comprehensive Plan to change the land use map designation of property located east of Harlocke Street " from 16-24 dwelling units per acre to 2-8 dwelling units per acre. (~f/,a,lllJ/ Comment: See item g. above, Items h" j., I" n, and p. were deferred from October 11, 1994, to November 22, 1994, to allow further negotiations and development of a plan for this area, Action: kll" ~ , nv ,,' ' ~,- ,,' -, 0 )'" , ' ' -, ',' ~ ',',' "".. ." ,.;.',',: () f" :\ " b 1 , I" ;'. '~ .' ,Ii. ~, l : I[]. ~ . ':"~,; , , .1,'" ~', "".. , ,.."."....' , , ",,' ',',,' , ,,:.' , 'o,'''.,.-,"...,~' , i ! " (.":-- .\ ' ...~_...\ ' , \, 1 \. ,li ~ i II I I I I r~ I i I I 'l J,' ~..:::' . ,,\, .,' ~'" c-- ',:.. " 0 "("i:: ' ,l: .",".', ,~_.:~,~,~:.~'i;~\ ):'..". " , '~ " ,', , . " "'-...: , , . , . '; 'J,:~:,_:; ';,',,:;, ;'~,r.:-;,:): .': :.',{,: ';;;, ~;.-; x. ~':::.:;~.,I ,:.o;'c:.: ~-.;:.;..; :;::",\:.. ,,;, ~~::.., . #6g page 1 ITEM NO. 6q. Public hearing on an amendment to the Comprehensive Plan to change the land use map designation of property located east of Harlocke street from 16-24 dwelling units per acre to 2-8 dwelling units per acre. Horow/ council we will open the p.h. and close this. Entertain the motion to refer back to P/z Commission. Kubby/ Are we going to withdraw. Woito/ No. r would suggest a motion to refer items g. through p. to P/Z. The entire ball of wax. Horow/ Moved by Kubby, seconded by pigott to refer items g. through p. to P/ Z Commission. Any discussion. That was great. All those in favor signify by saying aye (ayes). Great. This represents only a roasonably accurate transcriptIon of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994, Fl12294 ---- , . ~,. ,'~. r ','.-- '~_'I ( -)"'.."'..'.' ,;;~, 0,1,',' ."."";1,,,",. - ...-- ,:,/,":, I',::,.,,,,,, " f" '5 , '" ' ~., , I I i I , I i 1 n ' :'~D, .lM'lin:, I .' C \ a , I r (, I I ; I , I , I ; : , i I .~ II : I \' "J ~' ..l ;':'i 1;' ~, . f C' .- '~, " " . r':j ,," ~ , "," ' "t' ,'~ \\1;.," , I, .'.. "~' "'_,1, ~ '."f' f" ., '" '."',:',,'~':, ',.,,:, ','."..',"" ""',\-.~,,-----,._-,-,-, Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting November 22, 1994 Page 8 i. Public hearing on an amendment to the Comprehensive Plan to change the land use map designation of property located on the north side of Highway 1 West from 8 - 16 dwelling units per acre to 2-8 dwelling units per acre. (~) Comment: At its May 19, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning Commission, by a vote of 6-0-1, with Dierks abstaining, recommended approval of the amendment of the Comprehensive Plan land use map designation of the subject property from 8-16 dwelling units per acre to 2-8 dwelling units per acre, The Commission's recommendation is consistent with the staff recommendation contained in the staff memorandum dated May 5, 1994, Comments were received at the previous public hearings on this item. The October 11, 1994, public hearing on this item was continued to November 22, 1994, J'/J /' /I Action: dJe~ ~ j. Consider a resolution amending the Comprehensive Plan to change the land use map designation of property located on the north side of Highway 1 from 8-16 dwelling units per acre to 2-8 dwelling units per acre. {~-) Comment: See item i. above, Action: ~~ // 'I J k. Public hearing on an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance by changing the use regulations of approximately four acres of land, known as the Jensen Tract, located east of Harlocke Street from RM-44, High Density Multi-Family Residential, to RS-5, Low Density Single-Family Residential. IREZ93-00071 Comment: At its May 21, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning Commission, by a vote of 4-2-1, with Scott and Jakobsen voting no and Dierks abstaining, recommended approval of rezoning four acres of land located east of Harlocke Street from RM-44 to RS-5. The Commission's recommendation is consistent with the staff recommendation contained in the staff memorandum dated May 5, 1994, Comments were received at the previous public hearings on this item and the October 11, 1994, public hearing was continued to November 22, 1994, A protest petition has been submitted and thus a three-fourths majority (6 of 7 members) vote of the Council is required to pass this ordinance, Staff has also prepared an ordinance rezoning this property to RS-8, Action: ~~, II! II 'W ' ..... :- ~,~:' =- ,,' ],..".,,'" 0, , ," , ", " ,', ,,;,'; t' ,<,':::: '. o , \ ,,' . I:.. ") ,~ ' ~.' 0' " 10/ . ~,";..' "', ;~\; " ' ~," : -': ,,~ ('" 'i " '';'J ,'_i c-'\ " I' 1~ y,;;:;. : (. , " I i I ' I ~ i , , : I I I ~) I ~[j ... ,,:1 1 , ),,' ~'~,~I""~ ,~~~ t':fh~" L ,.. , ,I .....-'\.'. t~r~o .. ,;-'1' '; , , '.", '.~ ,', . '.:'~~ '.\! f ~ -, ", '~ " ,~, ',"',,:! t -" , , . ~ ' " ". . ' ," ",,:., ,,","~'_ r:; ",,'.;.~'J. "d.~;~,::,.~:~.:.: ;,:::';i;;..~ .,..':.:;.;'~; x..:. ',lJ;,~i::..:':;~;~'~i.-i, ~,::~.;;;"" ~'.:J-j ;:'':;:;J';~~';'c;.'.:. "~'" 'L:~ ~ .::", ::~~:.::':~" f;.', ~"' ,;, ~'" ,1; , '... .'" ':~ f" l '"J " ",' .",'..' ...11..',..' '''''' ....",-,--_..._,... -- 'I , I I Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting November 22, 1994 Page 9 " I. Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance by changing the I use regulations of approximately four acres of land, known as the Jensen tract, located east of Harlocke Street from RM-44, High Density Multi-Family Residential, to RS-5, Low Density Single-Family Residential. (REZ93-0007) (First considerationl Comment: See item k. above. Action: ~ II .; (J,/ ! II m, Public hearing on an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance by changing the use regulations of an approximate 11.5 acre tract of land, known as the Ruppert tract, located generally north of Highway 1 West from RM-44, High Density Multi-Family Residential, to RS-a, Medium Density Single-family Residential. (REZ93-00071 Comment: At its May 19, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning Commission, by a vote of 6-0-1, with Dierks abstaining, recommended approval of a City-initiated application to rezone an approximate 11,5 acre tract of land located generally north of Highway 1 West from RM- 44 to RS-a, The Commission's recommendation is generally consistent with the staff recommendation contained in the staff memorandum dated May 5, 1944, Comments were received at the previous public hearings on this item, and the October 11, 1994, public hearing was continued to November 22, 1994. A protest petition has been submit- ted and thus a three-fourths majority vote of the Council is required to pass this ordinance. Staff has also prepared an ordinance rezoning this property to RS-5. Action: ~I II II t n, Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance by changing the use regulations of an approximate 11,5 acre tract of land, known as the Ruppert tract, located generally north of Highway 1 West from RM-44, High Density Multi-Family Residential, to RS-a, Medium Density Single- family Residential, lREZ93-0007) (First considerationl Comment: See item m, above, 4, 1/ II I~Lt Action: - -- , . \ \' )",,',.::,','....' '0,.:"" '"I: ' ...';"'! ,. _...~ 'I','..'. . "..'" ' ':) ." ,'~, ~" ' ,I '. 10, ,~,;:,>.-::, . ::" ,,'''i'l, ~',' " ,"'," .;;.;,::e,'" '. , "", . ,,' i ,~ h', (, ~ r , \, \ \ 1 ",,::i-1 T71 I ! ~ I I I I I ~; I ' I ~I",i ~J 'I.,',' ~\ ~'; , p (",u 0 ., " .';,". ',TO:"~~~.\'i,~,,' ,_::'~ ,....' , " " ~ . :I~' ',''".. , f"', ' . '. , ";."""" ,:~. <0..,_,,,,::, '., (L">".~;j;;~~..:,~i::,~~)L.'~~~;'.~~:~.) ,.,.'I:,...,',:~:t;~~:L~,;~,;~.~J.<i".,~,;:~;),~,~~.'~i.:'~...;.;'..~:;,!~:,.I.~.'..:(,~;.:"~:j~..:,,,~:,~i,~-,,"";~ ,;," ";'.;~ .;, ,.",-,'.,,-,-,," .-~' j, ~,'~" "',,'''''''.''..>...-. ,_.:.:.~-'... --", ' i I I' i Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting November 22, 1994 Page 10 0, Public hearing on an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance by changing the use regulations of an approximate two acre tract of land located generally on the west side of Harlocke Street from RM-44, High Density Multi-Family Residential, to RS-5, Low Density Single-Family Residential. (REZ93-0007) I I Comment: At its May 19, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning Commission, by a vote of 6-0-1, with Dierks abstaining, recommended approval of the rezoning of an approximate two acre tract of land located generally on the west side of Harlocke Street from RM-44 to RS- 5, The Commission's recommendation is consistent with the staff recommendation contained in the staff memorandum dated May 5, 1994. Comments were received at the previous public hearings on this item, and the October 11, 1994, public hearing was continued to November 22, 1994, Staff has also prepared an ordinance rezoning this property to RS-8. Action: 4e~/ r ri ,1 !- p. Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance by changing the use regulations of an approximate two acre tract of land located generally on the west side of Harlocke Street from RM-44, High Density Multi-Family Residential, to RS-5, Low Density Single-Family Residential. IREZ93-0007) (First consideration) Comment: See item 0, above. Action: ~v> ,\ II IJ rl ~-, m[ I u~' j',.,.."..,.. ,',,' " ::", ,:' ::Y":\;";:", ~ '; " '''T~'' " r. l ..:) , 10, .~.,- ,',," "':"""1 "0':, ';':,1-",,' ,""..' .~', .':,""';; , " .- r, (ic\ \ ~ rr , I i ~ I I I I I ~:' I" It '} it . ;. ., n, l' .,'. ,". '::~ti\-',... ., .. . , ".. ,~, ,,' .. ,.'.. " :~ , . ~ "...-",'1' ;,/ ;,....., " . :',~' ~~,: .;:',_:_ '...,' ',; ,.,~, 'c.:'~ "",~" .'."-....,,~_,"-"~ _'...w' ;.,.~',", :'..: , ."-'"....,, , ,.:,-': ,;:;, ".,;..~;~'.:~.;.~;.~~:: (. ", " " " ,"..., ',' '- " ::,~ ~.:.:.::' ~;~':,j..:..'",,;~':;~S'.:.ii.::~,~:0,;::,.'J..:d;'i'~':":; ..;!~8,~': .~;:,\b,;~:;:;;.;~;" ~U~;;.,,~":;:.,:~~.~,;;;;:, ;:t,,'.., ;-',.' :,;.': >--:. Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting November 22, 1994 Page 11 q. Consider an amendment to City Code Section 14-6E-2, Neighborhood Commercial Zone (CN-11, to allow restaurants as provisional uses or by special exception with specific restrictions, and car washes by special exception with specific restrictions, (First consideration) Comment: At its October 6, 1994/ meeting, the Planning and Zoning Commission, by a vote of 4-0, recommended that in the eN-1 zone: 1) dwelling units continue to be permitted by special exception, 2) restaurant uses of 2,500 square feet or less be permitted as provisional uses, 3) restaurant uses of more than 2/500 square feet be permitted only by special exception, 4) in no case would restaurant floor area usage exceed 20 percent of the total commercial floor area within a CN- 1 zone, and 5) car washes be permitted by special exception, provided the car wash is restricted to one bay and is an accessory use to a filling station. The Commission's recommendation is consistent with the staff recommendation contained in the staff memorandum dated October 6, 1994. No comments were received at the November 8, 1994, public hearing on this item, Action: CM ~ r. Consider amendments to City Code Section 14-68-2 and Section 14-6E- 8 to permit restaurant carry-out uses in the CB-1 0 zone. (First consider- ationl Comment: At its meeting on November 3, 1994, the Planning and Zoning Commission, by a vote of 5-0/ recommended approval of an ordinance to amend City Code Sections 14-68-2 and 14.6E-8 to permit restaurant carryout uses in the C8.1O zone, This recommendation was consistent with the proposed amendments presented in the staff memorandum dated October 28, 1994, No comments were received at the November 8, 1994, public hearing on this item. Action: 1~~,/ nri /# " ~if &toW ~ ~ - "'"":,-~t '-Z,;?<)i;::, " , ",-~ ' \ o \" J_ ) ,.. " f" r r .',.... " "I' f \" ; ,I,d I "~ ""''"''[ ,.,',.1,1"1' " ,It.', 0 I,{ \,),.' , ! -,"."'l " ' ii:m,;,.. ,,'" '-~," , , ". .;[~ C'\, \~ ~...:~ ',,~' '\ ~ I , I II i I I' I I I i1, \~ (",j', \'I..'-.~ \1" , , j" ;',! _A , " f I' " ' ',.'. "I' . ,,~.\ I,:; ", ':,.-.. , <; , , , .' ~'..., " " . ,__",',;,",: ,;/,-~': .'ifi;~.J~;'.;;~~;::' Ji:: ,,:, >;':_~:;.!:;;" _, ,~ ~ ~ u '" ,.: #6q page 1 ITEM NO. 6q. Consider an amendment to city Code section i4-6E-2, Neighborhood Commercial Zone (CN-i), to allow restaurants as provisional 'uses or by special exception with specific restrictions, and car washes by special exception with specific restrictions. (First consideration) Horow/ Moved by Pigott, seconded by Throg. Discussion. Kubby / Basically these changes make the neighborhood commercial zone a little more flexible without detracting from the neighborliness of the commercial area so it doesn I t become too big. So, I will support it. Horow/ Roll call- (yes). First consideration passes. This represents only a reasonably accurete transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994, F112294 ( o ~, , ~~,: v ;-~~ =" --~ ' ' 0 ),":,"'""": '; ::" \~'/:"'" , , ~.; ,', ' ",- - ""'F.'.' " 'r- :./'j ;!' , I " " ,'10, .. '".--'-' '.: ,.j :::';',:::.,: ',' ,:, .':,~t\.\'l,~ 1,/, , -, .~;... ~ '," ,'1' ;'J, ~, " ' , , ~" . 'il , '''~ .--,.:,,'. " " ;, .U; '_c:-i,~ .;..;.\:;:,:L~'.'~~,,~~,~~ .,:..::..:o;,':'l;~' ;~0.-;~,:~L,-:':'Q~~'t;~-:~'A~': .~:.:..~ ;i!.;;:;'1.::;[~',:.::~,j);::;.'~.::' ~.'",:,--".,,~~;~'~.:;~i.~''':'JJ;: '_ ',:.\...'~'.<-:':_',,;,_.", ,;,.,', ~i' ,--:::~,,~,'~'- '-'!,- '~:"~'''''''''~''~'''''''''',,,,,:'-... _.~._~,'~ ". ' f" ie' Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting November 22, 1994 Page 12 , , , I s, Consider amendments to the Zoning Ordinance, Section 14-6N-1, Off- Street Parking Requirements, to require parking spaces for commercial uses in the Central Business Support Zone ICB-51. (Second consider- ation) Comment: At its October 6, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning Commission, by a vote of 4-0, recommended amendments to the Zoning Ordinance to require parking spaces for commercial uses in the CB-5 zone at the rate of one parking space per 1200 square feet of floor area, No comments were received at the Council's October 25, 1994, public hearing on this item. I Action: J1j 5/J. It I' M ' , , '., : q'f-~' 31.'+ ~ t. Consider an amendment to City Code Section 14-6J-2, Planned Development Housing Overlay (OPDH) Zone to require dedication of land or payment of fees in lieu of land for neighborhood open space, IPass and adopt) r.!\ ~ .:: c'~ \ ) A ~~ I I i ~4.. 3h49 ! .. I Comment: At its September 15, 1994, meeting, by a vote of 6-0, the Planning and Zoning Commission recommended approval of the amendments to the OPDH zone section and the subdivision regulations section of the City Code, as proposed by the Neighborhood Open Space Committee in a draft dated September 9, 1994, Comments were received at the Council's October 11,1994, public hearing on this item, Action: .{ td-Ct.g / 1~1/ JJ 'f- a/ ;?Iv r ~~ ~ ~Ii ,I u. Consider an ordinance amending Title 14, Chapter 7, "Land Subdivi- sions," of the City Code by adding a new article D entitled" Dedication of Land or Payment of Fees in Lieu of Land for Neighborhood Open Space." (pass and adopt) i I I i I If.; I I \,\ ~~, }J Comment: See item t. above. Action: v ~ I( If /t~ ;"/ ~, ,- .Ii I" k 1 <, ,1 ,GI-_~'" , , ," '~_IW~ ".".w:~.",' j""...."',",..,"',.. ,.~ ',' ,"" , ..'".", " "0' " ' . '.. ':', " \:' ' ",' ~~':,{.,. .~~ , '1 __ _"y:~':: , ",;,,'" ., ~~ ",..,....,...."....'1,"",',' ',",'1 "', .",,' ,';,. ,'" [J' 'I " ',' 'I ' .' ",,5 .' ',i I, :i~&"1 , -- ,;~ "'~.." . t ,..!;'; I \, ii1 , i I , i I i I ; I I '~ I! ! I 1\ , , ' '~ ' ,~;;' " ji r. 1(( 0 ,"i ,~ . , :'''~t~\' ',.' : , ,'," . " ". " "-.' '~", ,'" , , . ..,.'.- ",--, ;;'.<,'.'::-.;;,:i':>. , . , ..',' '"..,. ',' '...-, ""'--' #6s page 1 ITEM NO. 68. Consider amendments to the Zoning ordinance, section 14-6N-l, Off-Street Parking Requirements, to require parking 'spaces for commercial uses in the Central Business Support Zone (CB-5). (Second consideration) Horow/ Moved by Baker, seconded by Nov. Any discussion. Kubby/ I voted no on this'last time and I will continue to vote no on it. Very briefly, it is with the South of Burlington things and because I won't support a tax abatement in the commercial area and all of these decisions are a package, I will be voting no on all the commercial changes for South of Burlington. Horow/ Anyone else. Roll call-Second consideration passes, 5-2, Lehman and Kubby voting no. This represents only a reasonably accurate trenscrlptlon of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994. F112294 - : ~:~- .. .l"r;"\ "~.' - f" I I f I A \;.:J ~: l~ ." r ',' i' , }r.::., 0 :'" ,)" yz,::vf-:11' " r -~ .' , \ ' \ ~ , , , ' " : I I '~'; :[' ~",j 'rJ ~" l~" , I i'!:rh,:~" ,",;l r,\ -' r - :\, 0 , ' ,l'l ~ , '\~ . ',\\1,. ' " , ~ "- ,,~.-" " . #6u page 1 ITEM NO. 6u. Consider an ordinance amending Title 14, Chapter 7, "Land SUbdivisions," of the city Code by adding a new article D entitled "Dedication of Land or Payment of Fees in Lieu of Land for Neighborhood Open Space." (Pass and adopt) Horow/ Moved by Kubby, seconded by Nov. Comments. Lehman/ Well, since this is the last time I have a chance to talk about it because we are going to pass it, I cannot support this. This council prides itself and we go on and on and on about affordable housing. This is one thing that absolutely does not improve affordable housing. It costs us more money to build because developers are going to be required to pay money or dedicate land in the city. currently developers have been giving land for the most part. It has been working very very well. It appears to me that if it isn't broke, we don't fix it. We also, at this particular point in time, really have a problem in just maintaining the park land that we already have. We are going to be adding to the amount of park land that we already have, adding to the cost it takes to maintain it and I just don't think this is a good idea. Kubby / You know, when developers began voluntarily consistently giving land it was because this was pending and the amount of land they gave and the process we went through was as if this ordinance were in place. Lehman/ In other words, it is working. Kubby/ Well, if the ordinance is not there and there is no pending ordinance, I don't think the negotiations will be there in the same way. So I am saying the negotiations have been happening smoothly because of the pending status of this ordinance. Lehman/ I don't necessarily agr.ee with that. The coalition is broken. KUbby/ It will come and go. Throg/ I guess I would like to say briefly that this ordinance carries out and implements a plan that was initiated, the Neighborhood Open Space Plan that was initiated several years ago by previous councils. So it is a pleasure to kind of join with them in 'furthering the opportunities for people to have parks in neighborhoods. ThIs represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of tha Iowa City council meeting of Novembar 22, 1994, F112294 , -,:'~- MM ,0'1)",.','.," -"", ,- ~' '. t;\:' !N ". " " . o Ii, ' :( '~\t ~ " r ' ,,:'j O. , " ;rn:r~YJ ' , ::';) ,'"1 " r.~ (I \ .~ ""'(l . i I , I I, : I I ~:' [I" J'J "'it ~p, ':(~; . \ 'J~' i:' . H':/I 1;'l'iII -' ,(~~ 0 " 'f I '.', .", . '~.'. :',~t \ \",; , .. ~ ' 1'-... . ~ .. '~..., . ",,';:'''''' #6u page 2 pigottl And it has been a long process. We have had a lot of p.h.s and input from all sides. Horowl Okay. Roll call- Passes, 6-1, Lehman voting no. This represents only a reesonebly accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994, F112294 _ ~--,-> -..r' ,,', '~TW~ 0, -1,' ',,~; .~ .:,,,;, 1'(, ";',': f" , ..":',.,-",,,-,...," .s ' ..,oJ' '_ '- l I I ! I I I i I I I r '! " \ " I '. D. , ';,';-' ,~*~:_, I' " ,..~;,; / , ,r-: t ,/ ""'\ ' r-" I '\l " ,~ ~'~~("'\ ! I' \ ! I ~ I I II~ : I ::;.'..\ J ." 'i"- ~,,~,,::.: c' I,' ~;. I o , " ' ' '{'J' ", ~ , ~ :'~~_;,,\"t~ ';-..: ',',,1 " '~-.., (" , . ",-, :"-,",-:,,,:," '''~--' .,,'..... ,; .,;;'.;i.:,,":,,' i;'!:':"-''-.';!,>''''<';'I'_''h:''~''''''.~ , Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting November 22, 1994 Page 13 v. Consider an amendment to Title 14; Unified Development Code, Chapter 7, Land Subdivisions, by amending Article A of the City Code to require review and approval of the division of land prior to recording. (Pass and adopt) ql./ ~ 3(,50 If'/-- 1I,'f1. "C,'o .~,,' ,.. - , Comment: At its September 15, 1994, meeting, by a vote of 6-0, the Planning and Zoning Commission recommended approval of this amendment to require any division of land (except minor boundary line adjustments) to be administratively reviewed and approved by the City prior to recording, The Commission's recommendation is consistent with the staff recommendation as stated in the staff memorandum dated September 9, 1994. No comments were received at the Council's October 11, 1994, public hearing on this item, Action: ;;(/.lvm.tVItJ /7?t!-;',U,!)) , I ( f cj.- a/ d;.Il/71t.t1/2t) % . w. Consider a resolution approving the preliminary and final plat of Village Green, Part XIII, including a resubdivision of a portion of Village Green, Part III, an 11.57 acre, 17 lot residential subdivision located east of Wellington Drive, (SUB94-0013) Comment: At its November 3, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning Commission, by a vote of 5-0, recommended approval of a preliminary and final plat of Village Green, Part XIII, including a resubdivision of a portion of Village Green, Part III, subject to City Attorney approval of legal papers, including a sanitary sewer agreement, and Public Works Department approval of construction plans. The legal papers have been approved by the City Attorney's office, Construction plans have been approved by the Public Works Department, Action: 'JJ.!t0 JJ/ Itfd )(~Jv % -- ,~---_ $m -,~, - - - ~.O,'i1,-,~~;'. -- I,...,' , \ I ,I f" , I J : ,I "1:<"": ,'. 'J " I": 'I. ;ii q!. ~~I 0', .; '-,~;~'. ,. ' "'.,'-"1" ~'Wj):_~ ' .,,-,..'- .1 r'''~ \ \ t.l ! I r ~\ '1 ~' ~1 " t!' ~' \-",)' , " . , '~ .-.- - ',- ~ t' ',..,'. \-\(' ~ . .,','.... . 'I.' ,-'). \ :..... ,.-' :', :',.;:~: /',o'::;,::',:;,lX::.; ~":;.~,,,,;'l~""" ,-".vl"".-.'" '-,_"..',.....:_,,_..:.. " , ,',' "'I, ,,', ,...,,", ", ,". , _,; /~: l ;,.0.:.. .;,~, ,;,:).:>: ;.;:i.~~~_;~~L:.:,.: -::'-~:,",,'- ,~'::'.J;;:.::,,:,' ':;~"':'~~':" ~.~;':';::;:~\i~:~:liL:~ .:~, ':::).Ii~;L~~;;:::'::-':;'~:";'\"'i' :'_~ l,::..:,.,tl;.;~L:::.:',:,:.'!.~::",,~. :~; Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting November 22, 1994 Page 14 q'-f~ .%61 x, Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance to rezone the City's south wastewater treatment plant site to P, Public. (REZ94- 00051 (Pass and Adopt) Comment: At its August 4, 1994, meeting, the Planning and Zoning Commission, by a vote of 6-0, recommended approval of rezoning the south wastewater plant treatment site to P, Public, subject to approval by the City Development Board of annexation of the property to the City of Iowa City, Iowa, The Commission's recommendation is consistent with the staff recommendation in the staff report dated April 21, 1994. Public comments were received at the Council's September 13, 1994, public hearing on this item. Attheir October 17, 1994, meeting, the City Development Board deferred action on this item to their November 9, 1994, meeting, This item was deferred from the October 25, 1994, Council meeting, Action: JJf!tdJ / ;f;JI/JIta/IJ f ~CA . d ~ r ItJ y. Consider a resolution stating the City's commitment to provide a north access to the South Wastewater Treatment Plant Site and to restrict the use of Nursery Lane. Comment: This resolution was deferred from the October 25, 1994, meeting of the City Council and staff recommends it be deferred indefinitely. ,~ ~ Action: iL~",,) / 11.6 -hi' 1~A!tuJ I ; tlb acJ~ ;t, ~r'-~-:__:: ' ",-,,', ~, ,~=r-, ~', '~2Eo<jT: "',"'. , .""" f" I I I, :':' A \;I , , ,I '1,"'5 : 10. ,m;,m~' (,' - ~," - .'~-"\ ;~' " " ;'1. '~ . . .. " , :"~F.~'~';l. .' ',' ,'~' ' , '.....", , ,..' " . ,<~'.),'.',,,J,,',, ~" #6y page 1 " ITEM NO. 6y. Consider a resolution stating the city's commitment to provide a north access to the South Wastewater Treatment Plant site and to restrict the use of Nursery Lane. Horow/ Chair would entertain a motion to withdraw. On October 28 I sent a letter to the Chair of the Johnson county Board of Supervisors definitely stating that formally and informally the city council has now expressed formally to Johnson county Board of supervisors that we wish to confirm-that we will comply with the conditional zoning agreement even after annexation of the South Wastewater treatment site. In all respects concerning the city'S recreational park site plans, use of county roads and providing access to the proposed soccer fields from the north. So the Chair would entertain a motion to withdraw this. Moved by Lehman, seconded by Throg. Discussion. Okay. All those in favor signify by saying aye (ayes). Great. I, I ", ...... t": h;' .'i ,." \ '--'~' \~ ~ rr~ I I ,I' ", II 1 I I II Ir:, , II J. \'~ "jkY( <I:' f I' ~J,~. '~ -~ This reprosents only a reesonebly accurete trenscrlptlon of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994. F112294 (C=--. " 0 ,',1,.,,__ . ,,,,. ~ ,"- - - l"'i" ; ,'\'." ':' ' .. ~ , "" I , \' II 0, , ,I t _ "j': . .) ".: " ~ "I ,Elfl~: .. , , (~c \ \ \, ~ rr~ I ! ~! : i , , f,~ ".! I" ,'\ ) "'~'"'" " , , ,,1 ~'I'~/ ~l\":': \' ';\,', ',' '-.- :(, l=m- 0 ,', " ., ~ , . ,.,.', , "t' ,."\,1" . ~ ,.... '. ". ,."" , . "'-.. f" . '. ;. . -' ",' ; . ., ,'.._" -.. -,' ,~''" ..' ," ":., .-",,,;,::,',.' ;';"... ''-:,'~.. --"....,.'..'.-.~.. Agenda , Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting November 22, 1994 Page 15 ITEM NO.7- PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED RATE INCREASE FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER FEES. Comment: This public hearing is being continued from the City Council meeting of November 8, 1994 to receive public comment for or against the proposed water and wastewater fee rate increase, Water fees are proposed to increase by 40% and 75% for bills issued on or after February 1, 1995 and 1996, respectively, Wastewater fees are proposed to increase by 35% and 40% for bills issued on or after March 1, 1995 and 1996, respectively, Water and wastewater rates were last increased in 1991. The proposed increases are needed ,to comply with existing federal standards and in planning to construct a new water treatment facility at a cost of $50 million and make improvements to double the treatment capacity of the existing south wastewater treatment plant at a cost of $16.4 million and construct' a sewer line to connect the two wastewater treatment plants at a cost of $25,7 million. ITEM NO.8. The impact to the average residential user (750 cubic feet usage per monthl is an increase from $38 per month to $48 per month in the first year and an increase to $70 per month in the second year. The minimum bill currently is $23 per month and will increase to $27 hth ~~30 per month in the first and second year, respectively. ~ ' A"'on, 1f; /'l~ (lNl' t;n/i; ~JIJII,ce . dI~ '1f11 /~ ~2Ni id .!% I 0 ~~.v~ CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 3. CITY FINAN9es:~iAXA- 'tVf.() TION AND FEES, CHAPTER 4. SCHEDULE OF FEES, RATES, CHARGES, BONDS. FINES AND PENALTIES, SECTION 3-4-3 POTABLE USE AND SERVICE AND SECTION 3.4-4 WASTEWATER TREATMENT WORKS USER CHARGES (FIRST CONSIDERATION). 9 I .! Comment: The proposed ordinance increases rates for water by 40% the first year and 75% the second year, effective for bills issued on or after March 1, 1995, and for wastewater, 35% the first year and 40% the second year, effective for bills issued on or after March 1, 1995. The rate increases as proposed will be applied as a flat increase across-the-board to all existing rate blocks and minimum charges. Is} c. /.I A,,'o", ~/?kr JtIA/ -t e;,t' ~-') Jir~ df'tV ' 1"41 4zr -tJJ ~ 'uM< Je. ~ I ~ &.<(-w -1:0 1:>'/6 .t~ a.QQ, ~ ~~ 'o.,)/'I>j '" 'I~~\ Y\, , ""I ' , , 0 , -- UilLJ""...'....... r : 4 .~a " .,' ( -'';'''~ (' \ "~, . i ! I ;1 : j , , i !~, ,I '\ ~J '."~'.. " ~; ;t~ :fe, 0 ') " - ; , .' ~~ \ 1'1 : , " ~ ", .. , , , '. . ,"". #7 page 1 ITEK NO. 7 - PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED RATE INCREASE FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER FEES. Horow/ Council's intention is not to vote this evening. We will not be voting this evening. Again, when we open the p.h. I will ask you to state your name, limit your, remarks to five minutes. If you intend to have someone else defer to you I would like,to know who those people are to give you more than five minutes. But I will be timing you. The p.h. is being continued from our November B meeting for the proposed water and wastewater rate ,increase. I declare the p. h. open. Ed Barker/ Mary Lorenzen and Deb Skubal would like to yield each five minutes. Horow/ Okay. KUbby/ Interesting new process. Horow/ Could I see them please. Thank you very much. I am running a tight ship tonight, folks. Ed Barker/ I live off of Linder Road, Iowa City. A slumbering giant is awakening with a roar which is building to a crescendo in Iowa City as more and more citizens express their concern about the horrendous increase in water rates being proposed by the City of Iowa City. And if this isn't bad enough, consider the surprise we received at the council work session last night when the proposal was made prepared by city staff at the request, I suspect, of one or more council members to shift some of the burden of the increase from single family dwellings where on average more of the affluent people live to multiple dwellings of five or more units where more of the less affluent people live. This proposal includes increasing the cost of the water usage, a portion of our city utility bill that exceeds 3,000 cubic feet by 219%. Some people think maybe the train has already left the station. That may well be but it hasn't reached its destination yet. Therefore, my answer is that it is time to saddle up the horses, cut the train off at the pass, and switch to a track going to a different destination. Tonight I am representing my wife, myself, and the people who live in our apartments. However, these remarks have the support of the Greater Iowa City Apartment Association, the Tenant Landlord Association, primarily a tenant advocate group, and the student governing body at the University. These groups represent approximately 10,000-15,000 people who will be directly affected by the This represents only e reesonebly eccurata transcription of tha Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994, F112294 III T !L~ ---o<i1.1:l. o ,),',.'" -"." . \ - f" , I"",',' ::M: -:it' ~.' AV CD ~ 1')/;, I\~, '0;'.. " 'l\!. I"~ '1O~ 1'1'.. 8 '/5 ' u[l .~~;' C' ,-", ....." c<\ .....,,~ '7- , I i I , i " I I , ' I ,~~ I:' ,j J ' , ~\,/ \,j". , ,( '11'_" K\, f: ~,'I "~"'" ,. """'.' -'''- (- ~-- . , ~ . . "~~I_V ". . ..._' ,', :~"',_,::,X ,,'. ,,';.."" .'," #7 page 2 increase in water rates. I am not here to complain but rather to be part of the decision making process to help develop a solution that will provide ample safe water at a cost that is affordable. It is time for us as citizens to take a firm stand to control spiraling costs associated with governmental services. The water rate issue is a good place to start. It is also a time that the council and staff listen carefully to these concerns and join with us in a concerted effort to arrive at a reasonable solution to the broader issue. The proposed water rate increase is a major topic of discussion among the citizenry and they are not happy about it nor do they understand the necessity of such an expensive project. Let me make it clear that I am not an engineer, a water specialist, not a consultant. I do know, however, that when a major cost to families, individuals, businesses and industries is to more than double over 13 months period of time and perhaps some there after if there are cost overruns, there are, without a doubt, acceptable alternatives. These alternatives must be studied carefully utilizing a variety of consultants, the level headed advice of the public, governmental regulations and other sources of available information. Let us take a brief look at some of the things that must now be considered. First we need to analyze what happened on November a and realize the=at there is a significant likelihood that federal unfunded mandates will be modified. At a recent conference of mayors a rollback of these mandates was a major topic of conversation. As a matter of fact the first thing that one of the leaders of this group in a media interview talked about was the water quality mandate. Also some senate leaders have suggested as recently as yesterday that all federal unfunded mandates be abolished. Perhaps we need to hold tight and relax a bit to see how this unfolds in the 104th Congress. Second, if a new water plant is constructed at the current proposed site the water level of the river would be dependent on the stability of the dam at the Iowa River Power Restaurant to maintain an adequate water level in the river. +f this dam should fail and it is my understanding that it is in a deteriorating state and is not maintained in the same manner as the Burlington Street dam, there could be a significant cost for maintenance and repairs. Third, it has come to my attention that there are alternative reasonable locations that would be less expensive to develop one of which is located south of I-aD. Going north of I-aD will not only be expensive due to the necessity of drilling under the highway but also adds a considerable amount of unnecessary distance to pump the water and to establish sewer lines. If a plant is built on the proposed site we ~lould This roprosents only 0 reesonebly occurete trenscrlptlon of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994, F112294 ~-~ ~-'- - --~ 0,' )< f" ~,lW ~W I' I l I ~ ~l -,:4\ ,J "",~ '" "~ "')10, I /'" ~, ~) 'no,' ~i.{~m ; , ~ , ",' .'\\',. 1 ". . 0."';-_'..1 >,,,,' #7 page 3 ,...._...'- J ._,,;.r. ( \ \1 \." ,:~, -"'7\. :; r' \ l; " d q;; , I'; , 1< " :,' 1\ I" , , ' I' 'I I i I I,f I ; i" II ,I 1\ \~..J.' , \.;:" ", 'I , 1 probably be the only town in the'united states with a water plant at a busy exit of,a major interstate. Another site that perhaps is viable, but I don't know for,sure, would be the Coralville reservoir as suggested in a recent Press citizen letter to the editor. Although 'it is located north of I-SO, not having to maintain the'dam located near the Iowa River Power Restaurant would perhaps offset the cost of drilling under I-SO and additional 'pumping costs. That solution would certainly insure a stable water supply. ' Fourth, for some reasqn or other the pipeline owner by the Williams Brothers Pipeline company does not sh9W up on the city site maps of the proposed water treatment plant. This. pipeline should definitely be a concern to all of us. Williams Brothers know that, this line could spring a ieak at any place, at any time. Why else would they have regular patrols of the entire length of this 30 year old pipeline. Relocating the pipeline would be a significant add~d cost to the project as there would not only be construction and removal costs but perhaps easement costs as well. Fifth, everything that I have read with regard to the proposed water plant leads me to the conclusion that the city is requesting an inordinately large amount of land for the project. Only the minimum amount of land required by federal standards 'for .the type of water plant under consideration should' be purchased. No money from water rates or any'other source earmarked for,the water plant should be spent on anything not germane to the water plant. Not one dollar. Cedar Rapids is currently constructing a water treatment pl~nt with a capacity of 20 million gallons a day at a cost of $35 million which could be expanded to 60-S0 million gallons per day. There is a good possibility the total cost will be under budget. It is built on SO acres of land that cost $196,000. Their water rates are being increased approximately 10% per year for a period of S-9,years. We want to build a $50 million plant on 22S acres 'with a capacity of 16 million gallons per day with water rates more than doubling rather 'quickly. currently we are using, an average of 6.7 million gallons per day with anticipated growth over the next 20 years'to an average of 11.15 million gallons. The maximum pumped on anyone given day up' to the present time has been approximately 10.5 million gallons. The 16 million gallons per day capacity for a new, plant seems to be'reasonable. There are perhaps other considerations that I am not aware of but based on this factual information what conclusions can we draw other than we can make significant reductions in overall costs of a new water plant. sixth, as you know there is considerable concern among people living north of the interstate about what will happen to their wells if the water plant is built on the This represants only a reasonably accurata transcription of tha Iowa City council meatlng of Novamber 22, 1994, F112294 .l?,'~ 0 - .~" -- '0),.'.'.,..",.' - '., , ", :", _LoLL ,.. .." -- f" , I' ".e.. " ,) c " j I"~,'~ j~il' t!!J !:t~, ~ if ~, (, ~I f f , l r~ I~ ~,\ ,'10 r.r-i:~ ';":I'I"'.i,~, , ......-...'.. " ( ';:'..'.. " I " \ \i. ,-j ,,~';,:'" 'I' '. I , , \ , I I~' I I I , , i I r I" ~, I .1 ) \'"" '<."- .,; I I t~~~ Wr*~ L_~~ :c~ , I , , ,'. "\\l,. , , ~ " .C :~ ," , #7 page 4 , , proposed site. They are' all dependent on individual or community wells. In a dry year where will they be if a significant number of wells fail due to the pumping by the city. Yes, we know if that happens the city is responsible for the damage done. This brings up two concerns. One, it will take months if not years to develop a permanent solution. What will these people do in the short term, bath in the river. Second, the lowering of the water level in the wells could serve as a rationale for the city' to annex the area even thought most of the people are perfectly satisfied and prefer to live in the county. Seventh, maybe the Iowa city water doesn't always taste as good as we would like and on occasion has a slightly higher level of impurities than is acceptable at today's standards. But surely there is a less expensive solution. Perhaps our water purity problems are perceived rather than real. If it was just a taste problem it would be a lot more economical to drink bottled water. Probably less than 3%, of our water is actually consumed by individuals. I realize that we cannot have two water systems but surely we don't need to spend $50 million to build an acceptable water plant. Many industries are responsible for cleaning up land and water they contaminate. If entities other than cities were responsible for cleaning up the water the, agriculture and manufacturing industries contaminate with chemicals and other pollutants, perhaps we would ,not use-need well. Eight, if the water plant is not significantly scaled back the cost of governmental services, including the city of Iowa city, the Iowa city Community school District, Johnson county and the state legislature, will during 1994-1995 and 1996 increase anywhere between $40 and $50 per month per rental unit. Some people have figured up to $70. I mentioned the state legislature because of their unfair property tax system that financially penalizes people who live in rental units and rewards those living ,in individually owned homes through the very regressive taxing system called the rollback. If you don't take a stand against the proposed excessive water rate increase, if you don't take a stand against the regressive rollback system and if you don't ma)ce every effort to control the increased cost of government to no more than inflation rate, then we don't want to hear a peep out of you lamenting the high cost of rental housing in Iowa city. Government is the problem, not the owners. Some what is the procedure we should follow. In light of the strong possibility of unfunded federal mandates will be modified in the foreseeable future, we should take a year to restudy the entire situation. Our community is fortunate to have many well qualified experts in water plant requirements. We should use these people along This represonts only a reesonebly accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994, F112294 - TT "'nll'" -~-:- " , , '-o~J~.' f" , r ~,l ~ . ,) f~:~ "# r I ~ I , ,! '.. II 1\\ [." I:\t '~4 ~,(Jr ,..' ':,:d\, ,"'ll), ,:~Yl~"~: i .~ ( .. \ q i,' , I, , , : i I , : ,~ I I , l ~i,' '~ "I ~ :(- 0 , , .~', . ".h",l' , ~ . '''.: ~ '. , , :::'; #7 page' 5 with the city staff, members, the engineers employed by the city and ordinary citizens who certainly have a worthwhile perspective to add to discussions. All of these people should be organized into appropriate committees with a definite task to accomplish. Each should know what the others are doing and then, through a committee as a whole, recommendations should be sent to the city council and the final decision made after the middle of November 1995. If this kind of procedure is followed a rational decision would evolve that would solve our water problems in a manner that is acceptable to a large segment of the popUlation at a cost considerable lower than is currently under consideration. It is essential that a broad spectrum of people including plenty of professionals from a variety of points of views be used. This is such a major project that you must know precisely that you have chosen the very best solution possible which will received broad support from the citizens if it is to be successful. Some has suggested that local sales tax is the answer to the problem. I would be opposed to this if it was merely a substitute method of paying for the proposed water plant. That is merely taxing people in a different way to pay for the original proposal rather than reducing, the cost of the project which should be the goal of all of us. If the proposed plant is scaled down to somewhere between $25-30 million, a local sales tax cost ,be possibly a viable part of funding. Let me suggest two steps to be taken immediately. First, adopt a resolution to restudy the entire project with a goal of containing the entire cost to no more than $30 million. Second, increase water rates on an annual'basis beginning in March 1995 by 10% until income is at the level where the water plant is self supporting and the bonds can be retired in a timely manner. Income not currently needed to funa water and wastewater plant operating costs and bond retirement should be placed in escrow to be used later as needed for retiring'the outstanding bonds. I am confident by truly working together, as I have suggested, a good decision can come about that will received broad support. Thank you for listening and thank you for your willingness to participate in the governmental process that so often brings only headaches, pain and frustration to you. Your work is appreciated. Horow/ Thank you. Ken Wessels/ 724 North Dodge in Iowa city. I wish to speak to the statistics that have been presented concerning residential houses and I live in a's.f. dwelling, family of four, washing machine, in the basement, don't wash the car at home and don't This represents onlv a reasonablv accurata transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of Novamber 22, 1994. F112294 I J f" ,~'l ! I o .. .-. r- ~ ,- ",0) " I ~D, 'I.) IT' '".;, ,\ ~ ".. , "'.'~l' ~\' "'...'.., , " . , ',:tl\', , " ~ " .. . ',' ~ '... ..,":,1 ..'.,.":.. ' #7 page 6 "p_...'~. J C-"" \ I \' , _,'-:l ;r:..::,.. 'i: !,' If \ f I' , I.' i \ 'I ili I i' I I " ! I I ,~'; I it i ii, : I !" ~L:;,i " ..,' .. water the lawn and the average it shows of 750 cubic feet for the residential home is way too low. Mine is running at 2400 cubic feet and this is with relatively conservative use for a town like Iowa city, a family of four, basically teenagers and adults using the facilities. Nov/ Is this each month or is this each bill. Wessels/ This bill that I have here is for a two month period. The next one will be for a two month period but I understand we get more than six. We get eight or something like that. Lehman/ six. Wessels/ Okay, so that is, two months but that is significantly more than the average and so I am speaking to the 11,000 people with single family dwellings that pay their water bill tonight specifically. Many of the people in district C area which we will cal the central third of the city are living by themselves in their homes. Many are professional women, many are retired people and a lot of the other ones are couples and a lot of them are low use people and, you know, there is one or two people using the facilities. They may eat out a lot in terms of younger or middle age people. So, what are we talking about here. We are talking about families being impacted even more heavily than the statistics so far presented show. And, if I can make a little joke. We had a family presentation tonight but I think the spirit of the times of families are going to be having in Iowa city, raising teenagers, is not going to Jerry Mather as the Beaver type of family. It is going to be more like Cotton Mather and Increase Mather with some unknown force affecting people's lives in ways that they don't quite understand with these cost increases. So I think that is a significant contribution I can make as far as statistics. Some of the other things I would like to speak to are the rationale of the issue which is that we need to satisfy federal regulations therefore this has to be done. I think the previous speaker made a good point in that they are already talking about lightening these restrictions. I don't think any federal regulations have, you know, an air of certainly to them and some of them may even be well off the mark in terms of the affect they intend to create. So, with the new Congress there is a real good chance that you could let this go and you would probably not be confronted with it and the rules themselves might change. Now, you know, ordinarily, that wouldn't be a good way to run a city and I think just about anybody in a responsible position would say This ropresents only a reasonably accurete transcription of tha Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994. :. Fl 12294 f~l\~~,~ ~ii r!~~ , L._"'\.__ c~ :', -~- ~:"'." -, -~- ~..-~- : o I ,J f" , ~~;f~( 'J~' M-: {,~ ';1 !~ ( 1"'" "it..., .; \,,"'- .1 "j ;-:'1 'Il !,V :l~ :\)~ 1[1 '-"-' " ;ml'~f, ,/ ", ,~... 1 c \ \., "~I y,:":'r'(': ~ ( , \ ! \ I ,I .) I I ' I , I , I : I I ~ I I I, II ~) I I" , d ) ;;',,,,,", ) ~' " _I : " .:." , ,,--',~~ ~~(;. ~ '. ~"--. , '.' , " , '....' . f', l I ,I I i . #7 page 7 that but these are extraordinary times, and this amount of increase would be comparable to paying' $1. 65 for gas next March and a year from next March paying $2.50 for gas and, of course, we all need water. We need to bath, we need to do our clothes. So it does affect everybody and it is the 11,000 people living in these houses, I think, that are going to be affected even more than the apartment owners. Consider the fact that in two weeks 15,000-20,000 apartment dwelling students are going to be gone for a month. Their use for teat 1/12th of the year will be at zero because of the nature of the school year. And the same thing happens in the summer time. ,They are all gone. There is nobody in those big apartment buildings. So, in affect, they are going to be paying more in a monthly rent increase than they are getting back out of it, too. And then the'history of this matter so fat has been the city is being challenged on the land acquisition in court by a millionaire who can follow through on it. There has been a serious opposition ~rom citizens in terms of the eco-rationale. Will this really be a defensible place if there is a bog flood out in the country north of town. will the water quality remain good. I think there is rationales on the eco~level, too. And-but basically I think the citizen opposition that I am feeling from behind me and especially speaking to the people watching on the television , tonight" the many hundreds and maybe thousands watching tonight that are going to start realizing as I have realized over the past year'h6w big an increase this is. And they are going to start caring and calling the council and writing letters: My last point- Horow/ Your time is up.' Thank you very'much. Kubby/ We need a one minute sign, Sue, if you are going to be hard core about it so people can wrap up and you don't cut them off in mid-sentence. Anna Buss/ 525 West Benton Street. And I am ~lso a property manager here in Iowa city. I have 'lived in Iowa city since 1966. I have some water bills that I have taken to the city Finance Department and the bills are for a two month period of time. I have a bill that is for two adults and one baby in a condo unit. These people have a washer and dryer. They do not wash their cars on the premises. Their bill, as of today- CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 94-133 SIDE 1 T~at is on the private sector. Now to switch hats on the side This represents only a reasonebly accurate transcription of tho Iowa City council meeting of November 22. 1994, Fl12294 ,." -,_.~~-i -- - ,,1--; 0 ,"'\;",' '.' ' '~~""')"--',J,,;i.'..' "-:', c-;r ~ - - '$f{ I~~ !!~ fl " 'I , ,,:, 1~ 'T'" 10 ,},t,' " .) , ' , . :, :.?~m:(j ; , "t . '. \ \ ~.. ~ " . . 1 ~..' , ,.. " "',' ,,-' ", _~;. ',', ,,:r:: #7 page 8 of the property management people. I have a bill for 8 one bedroom ~partments. There are nine people in this building. The bill that we currently get for every two months is $150.96. By: 1996 tqis bill, allowing for no water leaks, will be $311.42. A bill for a 14 unit apartment complex. The bill is now for every two'months is $438.55. That bill by '96 will go to $977.47. The trickle down affect that this will have on businesses when all of the money goes to living expenses and housing for food, water, and electricity. Not much will be left over for shopping. The multiple unit buildings will have a major impact on the '95-'96 rent structure in Iowa City. The students, in most cases, are already on tight budget. they have tuition increases and the price of books. The elderly and fixed income people will be affected. Businesses with high water usage, beauty salons, barber shops, ~estaurants, laundromats,' car washes, just to name a few, will have to raise their' prices to their customers. I'm also not an onqineer. 'I would, like to be able to offer you good alt,'rnatives. I feel there must be a way that we can do this picJect for a lot less money. Could this project be paid for by other resources. Have any of the citizen groups been used for ideas. Maybe we could consult with the University of Iowa for ideas and assistance on this matter. After all we are the most educated community. Please consider' all of the possibilities that are available to you before you continue on with this project. I thank you for your time. c Horow/ Thanks, Anna. Mark smith/ 205 North Westminster. I just recently bought a new car. It was kind of a big deal for me. I had been driving an '83 Aries ,around for a couple of years. It was also kind of disorienting. I am the kind of guy who goes out of his way quite a ways to save 30 cents and suddenly here I was deciding, willy nilly, on thousand of dollars here or there on what seemed like whims or fleeting preferences. Now, the Lexus looked very nice. But the $50,000 did make me think twice. But at $8,000 I was attracted to the Metro. Super mileage but it was real small and Beth didn't want it. We got a Prism. We are real happy with it. We think it is great. Didn't have lots of expensive options, stick shift, practical but attractive interior. We got rust protection and extended warranty. We splurge~, and put in cruise control and a tape deck even though we obviously didn't need them. We just wanted them and got them. America is a great, place to live in. Now about this water plant. I have heard this council argue a long time about little bits of money for bike trails or newspaper racks, bus r. \ \, This represents only a raesonably accureta transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994, F112294 ~ o ~ 0, J: " .--=-- " \ '} r.;,. .. ",.r :,C" "~,"',- \, ",-, ,~,- I , t'I'~' .{. ;.:j,.,: .~' ",-, tf . .' (.). \j) " t1 i~ ,\& ~ O~ .~~ .'-'. .t C~:'j \:' ".A '-....;... " . I I ; I \ I" I I I II " I : I ; I : C I ,. I" , I' I ,I ! \~';';' ~" ' (' 1 \.,~' F' , , , h, ",~\,,' ji (,/, ~ 'I~ ? I --"", ,(-~ \ I , . . .,\ ' ~\, \\1'1 ~ '-... ,,',' ~ ~,:,,::'-: ' ~".,:,:-,;,; ':,' #7 page 9 routes or a stop light and that is good. Guard our money. But now we come to the big items, $91 million, and it feels like we are willy nilly somewhat carelessly spending by whims. I think lots of citizens believe you are buying the Lexus. Actually we could buy 1,910 for that price. Or 11,375 metros. If you,want us to accept this as wise you have got to sell it. You need to invite yourselves to every church, community organization, coffee klatch to explain what the choices were or are. What were the options. How much did they cost and what did we get for them. Why must poor Jim Glasgow be thrown out of his house. Why aren't we building Bruce's great plant on the reservoir. Even after full discussion not everyone will be happy as with cars people have different values, needs, interests and tastes. I, myself, am convinced that a lot of the expense is to insure a water supply that will encourage new business to come to town. While not welcoming population growth and resenting being billed for it I never the less have been largely convinced of the need for a new plant and in the main fine the plans acceptable. I am particularly pleased of the plans to use alluvial wells and look forward to the improved water quality and the satisfaction of knm.ling that we are improving the quality of the water in the river as it passes through our city. what I do not look forward to is the explosively infuriated responses of the citizens when their water and sewage bills double and triple. Before that happens explain, explain, explain. And then there is the Chamber of Commerce. If they aren't for this thing then vote against it. These are the guys that love growth, that hate obstacles to more and more people and people coming in. If they aren't going to help this-to help sell this, then forget it. They will get the very water plant and growth that they want and still lie in the cut and snipe the bejezus out of councilors that wasted the tax payers money. Joe Donetti/ I am here to represent myself, my family and the company I work for, United Technologies. UTA, United Technologies, employees 900 people in this city. I would like to express my concern to the council regarding the proposed water and sewer increases. the proposed increases will be especially difficult for those on fixed incomes and those who are in the low income bracket. Even citizens in the middle income bracket will be hard hit by the rate increases. High water and sewer rates will have a negative affect on all business in the community. It will have an adverse affect on attracting new business and citizens into the community. I would recommend that the council consider options and look at ways to reduce the cost of construction. Questions: Can Iowa This represents only a raasonebly accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994, F112294 __I - ::' ~ 0.. ) , --- f" " I '" {\ ," ~." ,[",'~t ";/''1.' ",,''', Jifi( ;liE f.lJ.f~, "AI ~~ '\> I ; i l ~ (1 [0', ~!, " , , IlJ, ;rr<<~ ." ~ r .l r -,of \ 1i " I : if;, II i I ~\,(.! '", 'i\~'~" I': (,\ rl~~, (- ~",' ~~, , 't"j . , , ~t '.\'1,', " . " ~ , ,',' ~ '. , . ",',' ..,::':~I> #7 page 10 city combine its improvements with Coralville and North Liberty to reduce the cost to consumers. with a joint effort it would be better than trying to go it alone. Where does the University of Iowa fit into the new water regulations. Is the University another option for combined efforts that can be made to reduce costs. Do the citizens of Iowa City have to bear all of the construction costs by themselves. Just a couple of personal notes. I know a young female, a single mother, who works for minimum wage and she can barely make it on her own right now. with the rate increases that you are talking' about for apartments, she will not be able to afford to live in this city. I want you to reconsider what you are doing to the citizens of this community and the rate increases that you are proposing. Lehman/ Excuse me, Susan, would you just refer briefly to item #14. I hate to interrupt but I think that that is very germane in the discussion tonight. Horow/ Item #14. We are considering a resolution to authorize to have an agreement between Stanley Consultants of Muscatine, Iowa, and the City of Iowa city to provide consulting services to perform value engineering studies on the Iowa City Water facility. In other words, we are having another set of engineers come in and take a look at the existing set of plans. So we are planning this. Audience/ (Can't hear). Lehman/ It is not required, is it. Woito/ No, it is not required. Horow/ It is not required. We are doing this. Atkins/ It is required if you choose to pursue federal funding. Kubby/ There is none for water plants so that is not even an option for us to pursue federal funding unfortunately. Harvey Wehde/ First of all I want to thank Jim Throg. for his editorial and getting, hopefully, more people aware and public opinion is really important. It is one of the few things Jim and I have probably agreed on in the last year but I want to thank him for the editorial. I think it helped a lot and I agreed with basically what you said on that. We need to use the land needed for the water plant only. No more. Why? The This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of tho Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994, F112294 - ,-'-~____"I " -,' -~ ) " '1" " o f" ~/~Y,'f ~,':'1/~' f".,!, ')~ rl~t fN, " [;~~ t r o ( I 1: t [ '1 \1 a ~A , I/J,ICl ..::, J!~~"3 ,....-.. ( .'\ C-'"j \ ,.'.;.-.... , , , , , < I I I! I ! I , ! , , , , , , I r ! I I" , i, I I ! ~\:; ~ '. '~':',i:;j :'" q~~ ~:': ~lh i\'l'~, '~,' ~ ~Il,\~, L.; (['0 . \' i , '.~~\ \1' ~ ','; , . . ~ '. . , ":.1..,. . ....."..-,',,-.',,, #7 page 11 land can be used for, a corporate park, office building', retirement apartments and a commercial site. This will add to the tax base and help pay for the cost of the water and sewage plant. Adding parks and trails will only'cost the tax payers ~ore. The county attorney, Linda- I am not sure how to pronounce- Woito! I am not the county attorney. Pat White would be very offended at that. I am the city attorney and my name is pronounced Woito. Wehde! Your name was throwing me. I wasn't used to-Gentry. It was so easy. stated that parks and trails would be physically responsible. I think that statement is ridicules. Parks and trails will cost the tax payers money to build them, add staff for administrative purposes and maintenance. The city cannot maintain the parks and trails that they have now as Ernie has stated. the first thing that should be done is correcting the problem on Dubuque street so city Park does not get flooded out. This is a nice park and is wasted for parts in the summer. correcting the problem would not only help the city Park but would also help University of Iowa students who live'in the dormitories and eliminate having the road closed to traffic thus causing problems getting around the city. I recommend to the city council that they redesign the water plant, making it more cost effective like Cedar Rapids and Des Moines. Maybe we can learn something from these cities. Why can they do it so much cheaper than we can. The longer we hold off the possibility exists that the change in our last election might help pay for some of these costs from our federal government. I have one page but it turned into two after I saw what happened at the work session last night. The new proposal delivered by city officials at Monday's work session was prompted by Karen Kubby and Jim Throg. First, what does this do to the student and people that live in apartments that can't afford to buy a home. These costs are going to be past on to them. Two, industrial users would be hardest hit by the new proposal. New business, whether it is industrial or not are staying away from Iowa city because of its cost. If you pass this new proposal you will not only be hurting students and apartment renters but you will add to the problem of business coming to Iowa city that create jobs for Iowa city citizens and add to the tax base to pay for this water plant. Don't get carried away with this new proposal. It could malee things worse than they already are. Thank you very much. Lehman! Harvey, a point of clarification. steve, what in this plan This represents only a reasonebly accurete trenscrlptlon of the Iowa City council meeting of-November 22, 1994, Fl12294 .':. -"" __"-~-"W-'-' Cu -'r ]\ o . f" '. -','. '~N"" "" , I I ~ l ~ ~ ~ '. ~ 1:* !~,~ ';), "."r' "\~l ~M ' "1.", ' a 'I /)' ~[J, j;;~, ,r r ......~l , \ \ r,:;;~ , , : r ! I , " , ! I , ! i ! f; ;! " : i ~ l .. \~~ ,1 ';:~I""; ~;, " r;,f,\ r ,J.' ':'~~"Ji " "["";' , -- t " ,\", . "t' " ,"",\1.'. , . ~ , ~ '. . " .'.' :.1,', .;,,~o:.' , ,'..',. 'n.' ,:-" #7 page 12 is set aside for parks and trails and whatever. Atkins/ There is no water or sewer revenues intended to be used for any other public purpose than water and sewer system. Lehman/ I think that is important to know that this does not include any of that. Horow/ This has been'misinformation that has been perpetuated and it is very frustrating for us to listen to you say it and not be able to say this isn't true. It is not a park up there. Kubby/ I think one of the things that we created a problem- Horow/ Let's use the map. Excuse me- Nov/ steve, do you want to explain what is going to be there other than the water treatment plant. Atkins/ the 230 acre site is intended to be the site for the water treatment plant. It is also the source of our water. Approximately half of the water we intend to provide will come from a well system on that site. A second fact, of the 230 acres, approximately 40% or about 100 acres is in the flood plain and is substantially undevelopable. However, it is prime development with respect to a provision of a water system. there is a lake on the site. That lake will be used for the purposes of extracting water to be put in to the treatment plant to be part of our system. These numbers that get thrown around rather cavalierly are such that it is really bum information. The site has unique geological formation which is available in any number of reports that anyone can read. And once you review the geological information I think you will be at least satisfied that the purchase of that complete site only makes good environmental and economic sense. Kubby/ will you get the map that shows where the flood plain is. The one that has the colored lines on it. And when people are talking about the different wells. People are concerned about using so much silurian water that we will affect people north who are also using silurian well water. We are using three different kinds of wells. Mostly alluvial wells which are really shallow wells and basically draws the river water horizontally through the sands to remove a lot of sediment. And so we are not using-the majority of the well part of the water that we want to produce is not from those deeper wells. Part of it is but not most of it. So it is very little This represents only a roasonably accurata transcription of tha Iowa City council maatlng of November 22, 1994. F112294 - _JI =:" ~ -~ - ):, "\ ~8 _ o o ...- f" i;,"!', f;~;:W~ ;,N w' .,$ I I , , 1 :~ ,:~ r{~, [1'1.' i ' 'I " /5 ,0 .. .fE'it~' . , ,'~r :,\ t,. , , ~ , .~' '. , ,'-':~:' ,>~~,> :, ' ," .'. .' ,,,.',,..'. #7 page 13 reliance on the silurian and Jordan compared to the alluvial wells. pigott/ Maybe you could just point out. I don't know if people in the audience- ' Atkins/ This line represents the flood plain area. (can't hear). Wehde! And where is the pipeline. Atkins/ The pipeline is right here. And that is another bit of informatiqn that is incorrect. It is on plenty of reports. The pipeline system is also one that goes through the Coralville well field. It-we have known it is there. Wehde/ How does this make economic sense. That statement you made kind of throws me a little bit., Atkins/ If you are able to secure this site given its geological formations, given the protection areas that must be established around each well as required by law When you package that all together, controlling the whole site-that is not permitting development or jamming the water treatment facilities onto one corner. It makes economic sense in the sense that we have a working area to prepare and to build a water treatment system that will hopefully satisfy us for the next 100 years. ( KUbby/ Some people have suggested, because there is a whole room to move the water treatment plant closer to some of the wells. And the reason that we are looking at not doing that is because of the geology. It will cost three times the amount to construct the plant on sandy soils then it would be to move it over on' to the bedrock. And the land is cheaper than the construction costs. So we have already cut down some of the costs of this by buying more land. The total cost of the land is 2% of the total project. So it is a very small amount of the total and I thing that is an important thing for people to know. ~ Woito/ There is another point to that. The use of the. sands to filter the water is actually going to save the city money in terms of treatment costs. So if you were to-we are not going to debate. I am responding to Harvey. If you jam the plant into the flood plain area you have removed your filtering system which will provide you with better tasting, safer and cheaper water. \ '. This represents only e reesonebly eccurete transcription of the Iowa City council mooting of November 22, 1994, F112294 ~ ~ (4 't ~r'- "..; .--- - T I ____.',,_ _Y.- -, , _~ '): f" . !}1 o ", , " I/:~ ~D, " ;"SlWl:.! ,r: .( -" [ ,I \ \ ~ il , , ! I i I I I , , i 1 I I.' I~':'I I' II Il ~ '; ~I f,,~ l,~ ""Lo' '\- -~ \' i . , , "~tw,', ~ " , \ . C,'-,,-' ,:,,' #7 page 14 Horow/ Harvey, we appreciate you asking the question so we could give this. Thank you very much. Wehde/ At least we are getting a little more communication. Horow/ Thanks. Charles Denniger/ I live here in Iowa city. I find myself in a very odd position tonight. I am sitting here and I see conservatives and liberals. I see business people. I see people from multi family housing, single family housing and we are all saying the same thing. Back it up. We do not understand what you are doing. It is too much money for us. Back it up. Let's sit back, talk about this, convince us. If this is the right decision, you can convince us. If not, let's find the right one. But this is not right the way we are doing it right now. Thank you. Keith Neuzil/ I 'have signed in already. I live at 40 Ventura Avenue up off North Dubuque street. A couple of questions here and statements. In a memo to the City of Iowa city to the city council and city Manager of November 4, page 4, last sentence, a little section caught my attention. It says if water usage in FY95 declines more than 5% then the rates on January 1, 1996 will need to be increased even more than what is presented. I mean all along we have heard this well, you can conserve water. If you want to reduce your bill, conserve the water. Right here it says if we conserve too much the water rates are going up again. You know. So the conservation angle of this I don't think is holding much water. Second of all, the flood plain down there, I have been around the area that you are going to build or try to build or present to build the water treatment plant on for about 22-24 years. Since they have started the sand plant down there anybody that is familiar with sandplanting and mining-there is a substance off of the top of the sand that they are looking for. It is called overburden. That is the clay, the unuseful sand and everything like that. That, as I have looked at it and understood and kind of had a back seat to what is going on, is going to be used to raise that ground up out of the flood plain. So it is not actually-yeah, it is flood plain but there is materials there to alleviate that problem. So it is no longer in the flood plain. Another point is if I was Jim Glasgow and was going to live down there for 24 or 20 plus years, I would be mad as hell if somebody come and told me they were going to come and condemn my house. He has worked hard down there to build a house. He has got a nice place. He didn't want to live This represents only e reesonebly eccurete trenscrlptlon of the lowe City council meeting of November 22, 1994. F112294 .", '-', --., ','"- '~-'- o )", , ' f" r~Et' W ;~ ~ f,:~; 0, u' , ~ o , ,!' I.. m " I,!~, ~ll Jlf:r"i~.'! ( ,~,) r \ A "f , /' I ~ I i , i : I , i ! I~ II : I ~'~ 1 , Y" :~ 0 .' ;'i' . , "1< ' ,ofl\, ,...t. " . \',', ~ ". . .,"," ,", . . L~,'. #7 page 15 in the city. That is why he lives down there. Think about it. If somebody come and told you I am going to take your house from you. We are just going to come in and offer you $145,000 for this house and you are gone and we can do that because we have got the power, we are the city. You know. It is damn hard ~o fight the city hall and we don't live in Russia or any of the communist states. We live in the united states where everybody is suppose to have a voice. You know. The right to pursue happiness and I think that place down there does give Jim Glasgow some happiness because it is his. He built is with his own two hands. You know. To walk in and say we are going to take your little part of America and you are going to have to find some place else to live. That is not right and we all like to do what is right in this world and I would like to think we try to and that is just not right. Horow/ Thank you. Lance Tyson/ I am a law student, second year, student senator and a councilor for the Landlord Tenant Association. I rise to assert two propositions. One, that individuals in this jurisdiction, particularly students, are better informed as to how the tax will affect them. I think in order-it calls for a cost and benefits analysis to be discussed in a forum where we all can have a mutual exchange of ideas. Second of all, the council must not, I repeat this, must not disregard student interest. Students make up at least 35% of Iowa CitY'iS population. And most students, such as myself, are on fixed incomes where any type of drastic increase in rent can take away dreams and take away opportunities. In conclusion, I request that no action is taken until these two propositions are fully considered and acted upon. Thank you. Horow/ Excuse me, Lance, did you sign in. Mr. Tyson, could you please sign in. Thank you. Steve Pattee/ I am also a worker in student government and I would like to point out to the city council that we have not received much information about this. There have been really no publicity in the Daily Iowan, the only newspaper that a majority of students receive. And I would ask that council yield to a few general questions so I can take some information back to my constituents. Is that okay? I first ask very generally how you propose the plant will be funded and what alternatives have you looked at for the funding? Atkins/ The plant will be funded by the sale of a water revenue This represents only e reesonebly accurato transcription of tho Iowa City council mooting of Novambar 22, 1994. Fl12294 - -1_ _" -- o )'...,,"""",. .':'" . ,'; f" , 'r~~i::~,':,\ ...,,\wtJ,, :".1, I';,'li~;.i! :1L'ft1, k~1J.. ,I);"., I'h~' ';ij,~~ tf~ ,,~ f:it [1 I' 0, o I :\ ~ (r" I~' I . t; ,.: .) 10, J:it~~)1' ,.-'""1'..... .L C-" \] \~ ,...,;i , ",;:".,., i r \ , I' : I,! , I iI-I: II' I I: 1 I 1'1 : I ,I " I ' I I, , I 'i I Ilr I I " 1) , , . r ; , \ .-,.-"\.....,; CO=="" : , 0 .- -------------- " II. .' , ~t' '-',,'.\1.''- .:: ' ',,", . ',' ~ '~.., . #7 page 16 bond. Water revenues will then be collected in the form of utility bills a portion of which will be used to retire the debt on that borrowing. That is how it works. Pattee/ What alternatives have you looked at? Atkins/ There are no other alternatives available to us currently under Iowa tax policy. The issue of a sales tax was considered. That would require authorization by the city council and a referendum. Kubby/ Actually we also talked about using property taxes for a portions of it and decided that there is so much untaxable property from entities that actually use the water and sewer plant to some degree. The University does use Iowa city water in some instances. That that wouldn't be a fair way of paying for it because not all the people who use it would be paying for it. Horow/ The other aspect of this is there are no federal grants for this. This has been suggested but that is not a realistic source. Pattee/ How quickly are you trying to recover the costs of building this plant? Atkins/ We expect the debt to be about a 25-27 year debt. Pattee/ And how much extra capacity will this plant have over what is currently needed in Iowa City? Atkins/ The plant is designed to accommodate what we call our growth area which is about 20-30 years. The plant itself under its current construction plan should be good for 20 years or more. Nov/ It is possible then at the time the bonds are retired there will be a new bond issue if we need more growth. Atkins/ It is always possible. Horow/ And there is room at this site to enlarge that. Have to plan for that. Atkins/ yes. Pattee/ Have you considered a new hook up few to pay for any extra ThIs represents onlv a raasonablv accurate transcription of the Iowa Cltv council meeting of November 22, 1994. F112294 __ -.., r~ - . .- W'l ',' U~. -- '."',~.,,,1~>, ., \ f" , r" " , j'" ~..- h'\'i1..': ~{i?~{~ r'}.td_' ~'~" ':;j'&" l.'_:' ~:' i I, l~ (" I ( \ ~l 0, ,c;~:,~ r'" ,;:" r \ , l ,~~ :,(.,..\ k, { , \, 't, , I;'., I ~ r . I', ,I I' I I I I I I ,I , 'I I 'f;' " i i~;' J l \ ,I,,/. ,~...,'. ; i f'~:~~' 'i~1~ !t~ C'- !, ,~-, . ~ . '" ' '1 \,,\j,~ , '~.. #7 page 17 capacity? Kubby/ We talked about that last night so that new growth would help pay for itself. We are not sure where that is going to go. Last night was the first time we started to talk about it. Throg/ We will probably talk more about that after the p.h. is over. Immediately afterwards, along with some other- Kubby / So we hope people will stick around for the further discussion so you can hear it here and not through the rumor mill. Pattee/ What alternatives have you considered to building plant on this specific site? Have you considered-I know somebody suggested building a-going together with Coralville and building a plant with them or possibly North Liberty also. Has that been considered at all? Atkins/ To the best of my knowledge Coralville and North Liberty have no interest in being a part of this plant design. They have their own interest. You would have to develop a shared agreement between the two parties. Quite frankly, sir, I am not so sure that you have any real genuine economic gain. If I can for one moment relate a tidbit of history. The audience will recall about two years ago we made a very serious effort and attempt to find a new water source south of town which would have been a substantially less costly project. Quite frankly we met with somewhat of the same type of opposition. So it is not like other alternatives have not been reviewed. And I would like to, if I can, to take a second of your time. The Coralville Reservoir was, in fact, considered. As a flood control reservoir they have the ability to drain it dry if they want. The Corps of Engineers expressed no interest in providing for a municipal water supply from that reservoir which is virtually the same as the river. You still have to treat it and you still have the issue of planning for a well system to supplement it. Pigott/ steve, could I ask for a point of clarification? Are Coralville and North Liberty under the same federal mandates that we are? Atkins/ They are under the same federal mandates. They are not on the schedule now. Their turn is coming. pattee/ In closing, I just ask that the council consider how this This represents only e reesonebly accurate trenscrlptlon of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994, Fl12294 ,- - -" - -,,")"',...."'..''''"'''.. , ' ,:;^.-;\:,", <: ,"\: '0 ' " , "i."('::; L,"" _M' ..' . .,:( I'+"'"tl""" iY!~f: ~,,',:t', ;~~J ig:Ii "~J' :Vi!~ ~ t~ r , ' ~ , "..1'" -'~ . ... ~~' ,'1; ',~ 'J :':'l~ \,,~ ld, F--:-- " Ji~~" . . ~ , ", - "I \, \ I, ~ ;, .. '. , ...., f" . ,.;. '.",','.'\,... ."i,.:, f"",;;'t},f,:, 'm~~I'~ ..: !~ '?tt'~fi ~~1" I'~ :!~.. ~l; (Ii #7 page 18 proposal will affect the students. Thank you for answering the questions. Horow/ Thank you. Rod Shutt/ I am already signed in. Resident. Concerned resident of Iowa city. 520 South Governor. I had a few things I was going to bring up. They were covered better with the gentleman that sat here. But I had a couple of questions about the federal mandate. Wondered what is the council's latitude for time, for instance, with the federal mandate? What are they demanding of you? Probably been in the press but I haven't read it. Horow/ Good question. Atkins/ The Safe Drinking Water regulations began in July of this year. Come July of next year they will be more severe than they are this year and more severe the year after that and the year after that. The federal government passed a uniform policy throughout the United States with respect to enforcement of the Safe Drinking Water Act regulations. And that simply means that all municipal suppliers of water have to fulfill those mandates in the same sort of timely fashion that we are under right now. You have, at least in my judgement, little to no latitude. Are there things about the project that we would change if we had our own discretion and the answer is yes. I don't see- I don't share the same enthusiasm that there is going to be a change in the federal mandates. o r Shutt/ Your discretion is related more to the increasing constraint for water quality. I don't know about the mandate thing but it irritates me like I think it did most citizens. The federal government comes in and acts in a sweeping way to do sometimes what seems to be foolish things and in this case they're mandating that 97% of the water that we wash the sidewalk off with and wash our cars with and flush down the sewer from our toilets be purer than it is now. I don't know what all the logistics are in your new plant but I could almost bet with big odds that water quality in the new plant for the 3% of water we use in cooking and drinking will not be state of the art. In other words, reverse osmosis micropore and carbon infiltration methods available probably at a lesser cost. If everybody had an in-line filter for their drinking water would probably be less expensive than this plant and sewer facility. Nov/ We did think about that. ~ :-- , This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of tho Iowa City council maatlng of Novambar 22, 1994. F112294 'AI \~, hi , [, ~~_. " ~[l :(: :~ - =-'- JIIJf - o'~",' . I . 0 '5 .' ~ ;., - , ".[~'~i'li! ,.~. J C":\I \ \ , ,?;.:; "~l . , I !G: I I 'I , J), \,1' f i':&~,' .'\:Tt 'lfi" L_; (" , , ~ . '~t: ' , , ,\1. ~ . ,,~. " .. ~ " . #7 page 19 Shutt/ I have come to the conclusion that the government must feel we are too big of saps out here, the federal government, to have a separate water supply to use for drinking. Can't figure that out and mandate that we throw pure water down the drain. Horow/ I think we looked into this is terms of-I certainly asked the question could we have two different systems. It literally would be two different systems including two different distribution systems which it turns out would be more expensive. You are right about the eater. Shutt/ An in-line system in each house could do this though and they are available now. Nov/ We asked about it. We were told no. Kubby/ We have to meet water quality standards not when it comes out of your pipe at your home or business but as it leaves the plant and that is why that very practical way of meeting the regs whether you agree with them or not is not acceptable. Shutt/ Yeah, I don't blame you for this. But I say that is what I feel to be part of the foolishness in the mandates and why, if possible, it could be resisted. That is the second part of the question. There is now Proposition 187 going on in California, another federal mandate that they object to there and are there any processes contemplated. Is there any ground swell of opposition within this state or any other one to get a proposition to resist the mandate like this? It may not make good sense. Kubby/ An ancillary question, if I can, is what is the consequence for us as a city for not following the mandate? Atkins/ If we do not follow the mandate we have an obligation to issue don't drink the water orders if we are unable to provide for it in the fashion the federal government requires us to do. pigott/ What sort of financial repercussion? Atkins/ You will then then be subjected to I would suspect and I will ask Linda to comment better than I-If we fail to meet those standards as a city council and city government I can assure you we will be sued with a great deal of regularity because of your failure to meet those standards. This reprosents only a reosonobly accurata transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of Novombar 22. 1994. F112294 - J -. - 0,: 'j~;':' \ - o f" , ;.:\';':'~~'l',,' :fNP /e1, .:'fI' ".:" ~J: ~i o I I , ~,;\,~.,,:, ~!} \ r;~,\ ~'Ji!r:.' ',i:l,'~ [], IU , ",I t /' ,J ., .':~'J,.:i:1 , , , , . ~t ~ ' ,.\1,. , '.-" ~ , , ...., ,..'."../..". . ,- ."..-:,',,- #7 page 20 Kubby/ Does that mean then that we might have to build a plant under court order and be paying those fines? Atkins/ Yes. Kubby / I guess a question I have for the audience is are you willing to take that risk to have the cost be even higher? AUdience/ (Yes). Horow/ Listen to the question. Ask the question again. AUdience/ (can't hear). Kubby/ If we don't build the plant and we do not meet the federal regs, we get sued, we have to build a plant under court order anyway and we have to pay fine and court costs, etc. That is a risk that we would take. Are you willing-I mean it would come out of your pockets to pay the extra. Are you willing to take that risk? AUdience/ (Yes). Kubby/ You are willing for us to take that risk for you? AUdience/ (Yes). Nov/ Linda, what we really need is some idea of what kind of costs those fines are? What is the minimum? .r (~ Atkins/ $10,000 per day. Pigott/ Could you just repeat that? Atkins/ $10,000 a day. .".-..< r:(:~ " t : Horow/ That would be to pay the fine. At the same time you still have to build the plant. Per day. Shutt/ This wouldn't enter in, would it, until some fairly prolonged time in the future. I mean the worry is the standards get ever more rigid. Atkins/ The standards will get ever more rigid under the current law. They will add 25 new chemicals every three years that we have to test for. That is the current law. , I" I I Ii i i I : I"" ! ' i ~ IJ \~~ " ~!j~~ , ,~ -,- This represents only a reasonably accurate trenscrlptlon of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994. F112294 :c~._'- . -~ '~-, ,~ " 0 ,--),,:" . \ -M V' f" , f"';'i' I'~~:~: ,:)1 ~Iii ~l';' ,..' ~ o l ~ I " ~~'I I ' "~ 0 ' ' , , . '" , ,I:~ r- " r .s. ,-:.'" ( \ I \1 \, i?~ I I I- I I , I I I , , ! ~: : I" . I : I , \,~ "P~f " ~' , , ~: ( ;t";,:l., ,.",9?t/ -,.~ 'e, '-0 ", " , , , .' , "t' " \'~!'!. , . 1 . , ",'. .',:-~ <: #7 page 21 Shutt/ 25 new chemicals for treatment. Atkins/ New chemicals that we must test for and treat for in our water. That is the new law. Shutt/ You know, it would seem to be about endless though. When I looked into water and it is admittedly been quite a while ago, the EPA was reviewing about 8 chemicals and they were reviewing them in terms of what the immediate danger would be. They had no concept nor I am sure do they still of what the long term disadvantages of certain chemicals are. There were 200 known carcinogens along that were known 'to occur in some water systems. Atkins/ I am sorry, sir, I can't hear you. Horow/ Could people keep it down please. Atkins/ I am sorry Rob, I didn't hear you. Shutt/ I was saying that when I looked into the water quality about 8 years ago they were then reviewing, I think, S different chemicals and giving allowable amounts and at that time there were, in reports I read, there were about 200 known carcinogens that were present in some water systems in the united states. So it seems like kind of a hopeless exercise in a way that they are going to try to achieve through municipal water systems anyway. Long term better goal 'might be to improve it within 1::he house, the part that you consider potable-the water usage. Thank you. Horow/ Thank you very much. Throg/ While we are waiting for the next speaker I would like to make an observation. So far, everyone has talked about the water plant and rightfully so. It'is an important deal. Almost half of the proposed rate increase is attributable to a wastewater treatment system that we are proposing to spend money on. You need to know that because even if we don't do what you want to do with regard to the water there is also the wastewater thing and the sewer system connection. So one of the things that we are going to propose to do after the discussion is over with is separate the two and have two separate ordinances so that we can consider them separately, talk about them separately so that-and mayM vote on them separately. The only reason I bring that up is because it may well be that the rationale for building a water plant is quite This represents only a raasonably occuratatranscrlptlon of tho Iowa City council meotlng of Novamber 22, 1994. F112294 ,~' -.-, 'VT 0'1 l:', f" . r(<;j ~)t I ~ ~ 1 I' (I t: ~ ~ ' [';' ';':;i '\1 !, r;., ~,;;.\ R [], ,:1 .,.1 ; , . 'I ~~~.' , ' ....~... ( ,.;\ ( , , \ ' \J. ..;>....:i. r;,.~ j : \ il , ~ I! " n I i i I .1 , I , , ; ~" i \ i!" J' : I :( , ~"~'; , ~}-:-~ " f :. fr~-;' , ,'''-~ " ."i . ".' ";, , . ,.~W.. ..:: .,,. . ,'_,'I, ~ '~"" , , '-", ..,. ""'~' ',,;, #7 page 22 different from the rationale for doing the wastewater investments. Maybe it is a good thing to do the water and not the wastewater or vice versus or neither one. But is has big affects on potential rates that you pay. The other thing I would like to say is I think we have all read the newspapers and talked with friends over the past many years in Iowa city about the quality of our drinking water and I have never heard anybody talk about how great Iowa city's drinking water is. Horow/ Mr.Denniger, I would like to make sure that everyone else speaks before we have repeats. Denniger / I wanted to answer Karen Kubby' s question. You put a question to us and I don't think we answered it. Horow/ Well, rhetorical question-all right, if we could get your answer quiCkly. But I would like to get to other people. Denniger/ The debate we are having here is not whether or not we do something. What we are debating here is how to go about it and what we should specifically do and what we are listening to from a city manager is we are being pushed to do something we are not sure is the correct procedure or the correct thing to do. Atkins/ sir, I never said that. Denniger/ Of the federal government. That is the implication I am getting from you. Atkins/ No, that is a wrong application. Denniger/ We have to do this now. Atkins/ We have to do it. Denniger/We have to have the bonds out in March 1. Atkins/ Yes we do. Denniger/ Okay. That is being pushed in my book. You may object to it but that is the way I read it. Atkins/ sir, I am not telling I am objecting. I am trying to point out to you that there is a schedule of events and activities that must be fulfilled to fulfill federal requirements with respect to the treatment of our water. This represents only a reasonebly accurate trenscrlptlon of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994, F112294 - ~ ' ~ )h' ,,'."',0 _' ',/" " ,,\ -~1 - f" '. 'I' ') t.. .~ ,." k\'#~'~i: ~l\>\" ~ff~V ;i~,'" !~~: :~,~ .~" [;W ,-\l jf l, I ~ t r, [; 'U ~rz:fi:;1J r " C ,..\ C-', \ ~ , I I" : ! I 'r' i ill,,;, , : i ; I,,) '11 , r'~)' I':~I ~E. c- ~: Om , , ~ , . ~~; \'1 " .. , '. : :~ ; .....-',' #7 page 23 Denniger/ (can't hear) who are telling you here to back it up and that you investigate the best procedure. That is all we are saying. Horow/ We are not picking you up. If you are going to continue to speak you are going to have to come up to the mic. Is there anyone else who would like to address council? Kubby/ Before the p.h. closes, steve, would you get the sewer project map out so we can briefly show that because I don't want people to lose focus of that large project of $41 million either. John Lohman/ I am Student Body President of the University of Iowa, representing nearly 30,000 students and many of them are citizens and renters in Iowa city as I am sure you know. Basically what I have heard here tonight is the public here doesn't know enough and the students don't know enough and we are still trying to find out more information and what this water is going to do, how much it is going to cost, the ramifications it is going to result, and I think and I would encourage the city council to put off and make sure that the city and the citizens know more information before you vote on this. Also, I have one question. What about a referendum? Has there been any discussion on a referendum for voting on the water issue? Horow/ This is a public health issue. This is not something you decide whether you have pure water or not. Is that what you meant, John? Atkins/ John, understand that if you would choose to choose a referendum that is certainly a means of expressing pUblic pOlicy. The bottom line is the city council has an obligation to fulfill the requirements of the federal government and unfortunately there are many times, such as when we built the last sewage treatment plant, that we spent time debating and discussing the issue and even if the referendum, would have said no, the courts said yes. And that is where we will end up. Lohman/ Okay, thanks. Kubby/ Although when we were going to have the vote for-should this be the plant that we are going to have? Should this be the size of the plant we may be contract with the consultants on those parameters? There were some of us on council who said we This represents only a reesonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council maetlng of November 22, 1994. F112294 - -~ 'o,~".,., - ': ,". - f" " -' I'.. ,:<:;:>, ~';j# /Jf 'i~ :~t :, I r ~ ~ 1 " I It. ,", I l [:l {~ ~O, ;~,'i;~,\f " ., ,~- t '-=.:'~\ \~ ",;'; :"" f i' , , i ! : ! , , : i , I Iii', , " I' i I :,1 ~~ ~"'~ i!~~~ i -" [' --.- ,: 0 :\ ' ~ -., . r-l , , .t\\'::, , , 1",[' , '",.. .'" " ..- ..'- #7 page 24 don't want to vote on this yet because we want to go out in the community and let people have some feedback and understand what we are planning on doing and have some front end input. There was not a majority of council who wanted to use that process and so the end product was well, we are going to vote on this and afterwards we will go out in the community. And we have gone out into the community although obviously not anywhere near the level and frequency and intensity that we need to. So I guess I want people to know that we have had these discussions about trying on the front end of any decision to let people be involved. There was not a majority of people who wanted to pursue that process and we will continue, no matter what is decided, to go out to community groups and neighborhood groups, whoever wants us there, to explain what the options are and hear what you have to say. I mean that is the value of these p.h.s. We are hearing what you have to say. Nov/ We can offer to come to various groups. Those groups that took us up on it did get our water expert and the councilmembers and they did get the attention that they asked for. Also since we have students here who are saying the Daily Iowan hasn't covered this issue, I am urging whoever is here for the Daily Iowan today to put it in the paper. I think that will be a good way to let students know what is going on. Throg/ Thanks, John. Pigott/ Can I ask a question? I wonder if-what I hear-a couple of things out there I hear. One is back up, stop, let's delay any vote until we-to reconsider to think about these issues. I would like to know what-how much would the delay in making a decision cost us in terms of rearranging rates, etc., etc. Atkins/ Rearranging-well, remember the rates have a great deal to do with the amount of capital that you have to raise. The longer you postpone. Of course you don't know that until you actually bid the particular project. When do you hit a favorable bond market with respect to the sale of the bonds. There is some unpredictable issues in there. I think that I can speak with some assurance that if you were to postpone the vote, we will have an administrative order from the DNR within six months directing that we get this thing back on track. pigott/ I would guess that it would cost us a certain amount of money in terms of maybe increasing our rates or something like that if we delay the decision say a month, two months. Let's This ropresents only 0 reasonably accurato transcription of the Iowa City council moetlng of November 22, 1994, F112294 OM . , ~,' ~ __~~- lnl - u~ - o )"., '. f" j',','\',,--, r""'" ':~~0\,~?: ~''1:)t;\'.- "''V j:,~~l\, ,~".', "'~" q~; "'ff!/ II ~f r I ,I b ~ ~ ~ ! .~wb~ " .r.... ( -', \t \." ....'i f1":-"f. \~, ! ,\' : ( Ii . I: Ii , 'I ! I : i : I , I I (,', I I t, I' it n 0~~7. ' I , ' >,',6._.'1:",.,," .~~ !:;~4' , "1"" [, I%~ '0\..., ..............-; (=-cor , 0 . ' 't,. " a.-...__ . . , , . '.~ ' _'T'.\I" , ,'-.. " , , --. H" #7 page 25 say-Can you give me a cost estimate on okay, if we delayed this for another month or two months, not the six months that you are talking about? Atkins! Two months is not a major problem except we have to go to market sometime this summer of '95 to sell this bond and in order to do that you must have rates in place and you must be able to demonstrate to the perspective bond purchaser your experience with respect to the collection of revenue at the new rates. Therefore, that is why we had proposed that in order for a time CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 94-133 SIDE 2 for March 1 which allows us time to do the publicity that is necessary for this ordinance. Throg! If we end up building, for whatever reason, if we end up building the same size plant, same cost water plant, $50 million, but we delay that decision from the end of December until late January, late February, is there some cost per two weeks? Is there some financial cost that we would bear? Atkins! I am sorry, I am misunderstanding what you mean by delay. Delay what now? Throg! If we choose not to vote, make a final vote, at the end of December. But instead as people are asking us to do, reflect, reconsider, get out and meet the people and talk about it and take another couple of months to do that. Atkins! The rates will probably be bumping up a percentage or two. Not extraordinary amounts. I mean they are already extraordinary amounts. But I am saying that each of those will bump up a percentage or two the longer you postpone the thing becaus,e we need to begin the process of collecting the revenue. Kubby! So when we got some figures or Jim got some figures from Don Yucuis, our Financial Director, saying that for every month that rates are not increased approximately $83,000 in additional revenue is not taken in by the city which then would have to be made up which means an additional increase to what is already proposed. So it is $83,000 a month. Is that correct, Don? Pigott! That is just for water, Don? This reprosents only e reesonebly accurate trenscrlptlon of the lowe City council meeting of November 22, 1994, F112294 - - ~ . , ,r-.:..=--.:.. "V ),' . '< 0 :' - ,,~ , f" \,{~~~r" tr;i~ t~tc: ~~~I, ,',er ~~~Y. Mr ~ Ii I, I ~ ~ !~ l " l ["1 14 '::'i }~IJ\ 1 'R" ,/5 ' ~O. .:m',m r " i .\ ~ -,.,,\ I I \ I. ~ : r I " I i I I : 't.\ " ,. , " , , I , I ~ \ >) .~~ '~'I' j, ':~\', C~^': "'j'" 1 ','I." l,_~ Co i: I ~ . ',~?: I'j , , " , , ,..'1 ~ ."',,:,,., , ',,. :i,'_ .. #7 page 26 Don Yucuis/ That is just for water, Karen. pigott/ It doesn't include the wastewater. Yucuis/ I think the question, if I understand it right Bruno, is if you are going out to sell bonds next summer and we only have four months worth of rates and income coming in to sell those bonds, it is like buying a car today and say oh, I am going to get the money in six months to pay you for that car but can I use it. And we need to show the bond holders that we have the ability to payoff these bonds the first time a principle and interest payment comes due which would be a year from when you sell the bonds. And the longer lead time you have to show what kind of revenue flow you have the better off you are in the market to sell those bonds. And right now the March 1 date is four month lead time of five month lead time. And, ideally, I would have preferred a longer time but we are dealing with four months right now and to go to market in July or August to sell some bonds. It will be difficult to sell the magnitude of bonds that we want and will be working on, how that is going to be structured. Nov/ Difficult to sell I assume means high interest rates. Yucuis/ Not necessarily. It may mean we will be structuring the bonds. We will sell some bonds this year and some bonds the following year or some bonds now and some bonds six months from now until we can get the commitment from the bond market that we can repay those bonds based on our revenue flows. Horow/ Let's get back to the public. Larry Svoboda/ I live at 16 Cherry Lane, Iowa city. I guess I just have questions tonight. We always know that once we start a project it is always going to cost a whole lot more in the end then what it starts and we are already talking about an atrocious amount of money to be spent on a water plant. I have some what ifs and one of the what ifs I have is what if the wells at River Heights, Cherry HillS, and Forest ,Gate and Windham Bluff and Spring Valley and all the other subdivisions north of here are affected by this new well system. I know everybody is quite willing to assure me and I am a resident of that area, are quite willing to assure me that is not going to be the case but I have been assured about things by the city of Iowa city before that have not come true or the opposite has happened. I am a little shaky sometimes when somebody promises me that it is going to be okay, don't worry about it, This represents only e reasonably accurate transcrIption of the Iowa City council mooting of Novamber 22, 1994. F112294 r:--- ~ ~ :1." 0 f" " I ,..} j I";,';;:,,. /,'(N1'~ ~,,}"?I,.: ,..,..", r~)';gl ~~~>i t';}~ thi,f [(:~1 ,.~ f:l~~ .j.,,', li i1 o I I'l, \h ~, R " ij[] " ),'1Q}f.r! ; ....-' I, li (~~ ;;';,..~:" ; , \ , ' I , I" ' . I ' I , I I ,! I , I " I I : i i:f I ',I' J \'~\,,~:- ~..':- 'e ';I.I;~',",' ':'/'11 r.tt I'L:~ ,t 0 \:'1 , , "t ""':\1,: ".. ~ , \ '~.. ',.",o., #7 page 27 and then the other thing happens. What-if you do pump those wells and if you pump the cone of deflection in this wells do come dry, what is going to happen. How are you going to fix it? The DNR, I know, requires that the city of Iowa city be responsible for costs incurred in correcting those situations. It could be a horrendous cost, What if the pipeline breaks? I mean it is just like it is there. It is a hazard but nobody assumes that it is never going to break. If the thing breaks with pressure it has go underneath it it would flood and inundate the entire area before it could probably be shut off. I have seen a couple of fiascos out west of here or east of here at the other pipeline place and it certainly could happen here anytime. What if the river does flood the area and contaminate the area? These are just what ifs of this particular location I think really need to be addressed in this issue because we could be looking at the tip of the iceberg as far as the cost of the plan before it is over and done with. And then what if we go through all of this misery and then what if the feds do roll back the mandate on this thing? I think there is going to be an awful lot of unhappy tax payers in Iowa city. The wastewater plant that we are talking about. My question is didn't we just do this? Didn't we just go through this process? And if we are going to go through this water plant process what is going to stop the federal government from saying go and do it allover again? I mean, we just went through this very scenario. I guess the thing that I am really wanting to see the council do here is just I can't believe that this is the last year to build and finance a water plant. If we don't do it now that it is never going to happen without extreme financial difficulties? I would like to see us at least give the federal government a little bit of chance with the change of complexion in Washington D.C. and see what is going to happen. I am certain that six months or nine months isn't going to make or break the situation. Who knows, we might get lucky and this whole situation will change. And Jim, you are not correct when you said that nobody said anything good about Iowa city water. Very recently I made a comment to you about Iowa city water and I happen to drink or draw water out of the silurian aquifer at my home and the comment I made to Jim this morning is if I was half way between Iowa city and my home and I was dying of thirst and I needed a drink of water, I would come to Iowa city for it. If you don't believe me, come out and take a look at the water that comes out of the tap and then try to taste it. I am sure that I have a lot of neighbors that are probably upset with me for making that comment because I probably devalued the property a little bit. But it certainly This represents only a reasonably eccurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994. Fl12294 ,~~'r' -~-. .,=-- 1 '?~L)"'.' l f" " ',',,',>i; Wi!' ~,"~. ~ ~ I I I, I i I i ; ~ I~ ' ':r, f'l [~\ I. C ~I 0, ,~,) U . " YJt~' ,,:' , " '~ :'~:,. ,j~ \ ~ ~ , " r I i ! I i i , , , i 1i I I ~l \'j "~'~ ~ c-- '.\"... 0 .. \"1. '. .i . '~,h;'I: 'I'. ... .,..,.. . . ,~. .-,..":, ~ , , "..'. "".",..-, ..'-',' #7 page 28 isn't the quality that Iowa city water is as far as the taste and odor are concerned. Thank you. Dean Thornberry/Iowa city. I was wondering if at all possible have you checked with the state, with the Governor's office, to see if there was any money from the state that we could use for this project? Atkins/ Already did that. Thornberry/ You have already checked with- Throg/ And what is the answer, steve? Thornberry/ What did Terry say? Atkins/ I didn't talk to Terry but the state at one time-Dean, you may be thinking about a one time the state thought about, and I guess they are still thinking about it, what they call a state revolving fund. That is what you are thinking about. And it was, I think, funded in the neighborhood of $10-15 million. And the interest rates were far higher we can borrow in the open market. Far better. And I think it is really more intended for the smaller rural water districts. Thornberry/ It seems like we are in the middle. Not real small. So we have to have, you know we are held to a higher standard perhaps. Atkins/ We are held to a higher standard and we are large by way of Iowa standards. And remember what the EPA does is that the EPA is the enforcement agency for the Safe Drinking Water Act and I am telling you anything you already know. They then delegate to the state the enforcement of that law and if you will recall there was significant press about this. At one time the EPA was about to remove that authority from the state because the state did not have an adequately funded section within the DNR to manage these water projects. So what the state chose to do is put a tax on municipal water which goes back to the state so they can enforce the federal regulations upon us. So you are paying for your own enforcement. I didn't make that up. Thornberry/ Would the state approach the federal government in our behalf? Throg/ No federal funds available. This reprosents only a raasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meatlng of Novambar 22, 1994, F112294 :-- ~ " oJ}t".'" - f" 1"iiJ'i,i" ti ,~-~I . Q " ~l I ~' ,It.. "".J 0, I, ' " , . .E:U"J1~' , <,~t ~ '\'j' , , .. , " '. . ~ . " , ~ '..., . .', ., '." -," #7 page 29 Atkins/ There are no federal funds for water projects that I know of. None. Throg/ And there won't be. Atkins/ And to the best of my knowledge I cannot comprehend this Congress appropriating the kind of money. Thornberry/ What happens if we don't build it, we get sued by the federal government, we don't pay. Then Iowa City is taken over by the federal government. What happens? Our bond rating probably goes down. Kubby/ Don't laugh. That costs us a lot of money. Thornberry/ I understand. We are an A rated community now. Atkins/ A rated for revenue. AAA for general obligation. It is the best you can get. Thornberry/ Do we have to be the best? Throg/ Saves a lot of money. Horow/ It saves us money. ,.......'... .t C~~\ , I \. ,.;>.;...:?i ~,j;.;,..;. " , i i \ , \ Thornberry/ It saves us money. Nov/ This is the kind of thing that were to cost $50 million with a high bond rating. It could cost us $70-80 million with a lower bond rating. Thornberry/ I would like a breakdown please. This is not all water. What is the water price? What is the wastewater treatment? What is the trash? What is the- We don't know the breakdown of what these increases are going to be. Kubby/ $50 million for the water plant, $41 million for the wastewater treatment plant. Atkins/ Your utility bill has pretty much four components: water, wastewater, solid waste and then the state tax on water. And the state also taxes commercial properties for sewer. i ~\ I , I . I I . I' ! i I I j I 1 : i I ~~, , 1':1 I i j ,I..,; ~'"..... Thornberry/ I know. Kubby/ And all of those things on your bill are basically about This represents only e reesonebly eccurete trenscrlptlon of the lowe City council meeting of November 22, 1994, , , '~' ",","..'. ~~' , ,I ~l" ' i,. ~ ' " ",', , ._'""-"': F112294 ,(~-~ - - =~- '.0,1'; ~--. "ff f" ,"'. l;;;1t [:1& r ~ I' B [') .):: " 5 .'~ , , .i30m '., '''\' "'\ , ~ , ~ '.,"1 ,;., '~: ' 'J,',' , , #7 page 30 either providing clean water or protecting water from being contaminated. I mean everything we are doing with solid waste is to prevent the ground water contamination. Holly Berkowitz/ 612 Granada Court. Seems that we are asking ourselves do we need to build the water plant now. Not do we need to but can we postpone it. I would like to ask on what parameters we would be at risk if we did not build the new water plant? Atkins/ It is a legal question, Holly, and the federal law is pretty straight forward. That the water that comes out of the plant. Let's say under the current standard we have to treat to a .5. Well, next year they are going to change that to .3 and the following year they will change it to something else. Berkowitz/ Do you know which of the parameters we would most likely fall in violation? Throg/ You mean for nitrates or- Atkins/ Nitrates immediately. I don't think there is any doubt about that. Kubby/ Turbidity is another one. Berkowitz/ Turbidity. Okay, are there any others? Atkins/ I just have it committed to memory. I have the list. It is a rather extensive list that you have to have. ~-. J: ~., \\ \ , \.' ~ t::,+1 ! . 'f Berkowitz/ I think that is a very important point to look into. I will tell you why. If you contact Lou Licht at the University. He is an environmental engineer who has been traveling internationally proposing a project on vegetation buffers. There about 80% effective at moving the sediment out of the water that travels from the farm land to the water. You plant a vegetation buffer along the then there are these poplar vegetations. It is 80% effective at removing sediment. They were 60% effective at removing nitrates. I think I get that right. , I . '" I , I : ! Atkins/ Holly, just so you understand, we have worked extensively with Lou Licht. In fact we have virtual forest of poplar trees at our landfill for the very purpose that you are talking about. Secondly, you talked about planting along the river. Every year since I have been here the council has pursued with , , i 1{:' !; (, 'I ~~~ l1P , This represents only e reasonably accurata transcription of tho Iowa City council mooting of Novembar 22, 1994, F112294 "'~I' ','Ii /, ,'" ~l :f~, ::~t:;t,," i.I' ~17m, .~,....... c ~- -.~, - - -- ~ - .)" 0 0 , f" '. I";,"X "'\I-lf F"~, "i:!J: ~'T ,~. ',':;-;, r ~ ~ & I I f~ !I t I iJ ~~ I 'n ' "J', " aD ,~~~~ j i ~ , . ~t: \ I ' ": , ~ '. . ",{:," :';'-,' ",.:,: ..,.. ,,\,'.',,"', #7 page 31 the state legislature the adoption of filter strip legislation to do just as you proposed. Every year it has been voted down by the legislature. Berkowitz! Why? What is the reason? Atkins! I suspect primarily because Iowa city is an agricultural state. .,"'.-. " ( , ,,~\ \~l '. ~ i' 1 Berkowitz! Yes. But did you also hear the part that this can be a harvestable crop for profit. Atkins! No, I am sorry I didn't hear that. Berkowitz! If you contact, him about that and look into this because there are many many vegetation crops that can profit. That you can profit from and it doesn't have to be a crop that sends sediment or nitrates or herbicides or pesticides into the water. The poplars are very effective at water treatment. Their roots can go five feet into the ground. They cleanse the water before it gets into the water way. And if you plant the planting I forget the rate of growth but they are effective water treatment within five years. The growth was absolutely incredible. I am going by memory. I need to get the facts. I am proposing that you look into this as a very possible alternative to building the treatment plant on schedule because it is possible that this could relieve the contamination enough so that you can avoid the fines. I would also look into the other sources of contamination such as septic tanks on the Iowa River in subdivisions because a great majority of septic tanks are not maintained adequately. I would urge Johnson county seriously enforce the regulations for septic tanks because this could be a major source leading to the need for treatment. Catching the source of contamination at the source is much less expensive because you have the source there. You know what is going into the water. You don't have to detect it. A lot of the cost is detecting low levels of contaminants downstream. That is the cost of water now. That is the cost of water treatment and trying to figure out what is there and you are building a cauldron if you put more and more things in. 60,000 chemicals are produced on the American market every year and I think that 25 per year in the regulations is conservative. If you are talking about healthcare costs, we do not-the medical records do not contain adequate environmental risk information and we cannot say delete the deferral mandates from the regulations until we have epidemiological evidence and studies that go beyond the " , I '~, , I~" , , " i: ' I ' " ) '~'t"";', \'" . " This represents only e reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994. F112294 1,~"",~" ;!'~'" .. ,;t.~~ , L_~ :C~.._-- , , -= -~- - 0 .1.,...,,',',,' " --~-------- f" , I:}~~~'),~ !,'''iil ';';~1' ~~'iX ;~. v.,,~ ('~ ~';Yr' ~' i ;t il \ [: r. 1~,1,: ;'1 \"'j '.:'r( ,;,,1 ;:)~ I ~~j~ '". 0 ",' ,,) .. ' ,'i " .~~~, \" i '~?: " .\" ~ "'-.. , ~ '. ',","'''', ' . #7 page 32 rat tests and the cell test which these regulations are probably based on. Thank you. Jim Glasgow! I would like to know what you as councilors think this 230 acre site is going to cost the City of Iowa City? Kubby! Our appraisals are $1.5 million. Atkins! We have had two reputable appraisal firms estimate it at $1.5 million. Glasgow! Does that include the cost of the power plant dam or any repairs to the dam? woito! Yes. No. Atkins! The repairs to the dam is part of the budget for the overall project and that is about $600,000. Glasgow! Does it include the cost of moving the pipeline? Atkins! No, it does not. Glasgow! Are you going to move the pipeline? Atkins! The engineers need to make a recommendation on that. Glasgow! At this point do you have any idea whether you are going to move it or not? c.r' \ \ \ \ \" Atkins! The engineer will make a recommendation on that. Glasgow! So at this point the water plant is going to be there for 100 years and the pipeline will be in place for 100 years. Atkins! That is not what I said. Glasgow! That is the impression. All right. I guess the only thing I can say is your costs are way off. I would estimate that you are going to look at somewhere between $10-15 million more than what the city staff has estimated. Atkins! Sir, we did not estimate that. It was two appraisal firms, well known throughout the state of Iowa. Both came up with the same number. ,';' ~" "~7, , '. H I i I , I , I , , I r;, I' : I '~' -"' ;,.,,/ " 0\ '" , " '~, ~A!' 1"~,ltli ., illL:" l_-" Glasgow! You are saying $2 million. I am just saying you are wrong. This ropresents only e reosonablv eccurete trenscrlptlon of the lowe City council mooting of Novembor 22, 1994. F112294 :G~~I, r.'~"~'~I'l;I"."' ',-- _~ ---- - '()l~J~;r:' H,,' f" , :,'A'" f;,~,rMh f.~~~'I' ~; -.'-' ";~\!i 1"\1.' !Ii'i-t;..: (!:~ "J ;\, ~i ~~ " ~ ';~',' ,.. 'I \'" ""t lfv :rt!l H~ , 'WI I,','..' ,'[J ", r;;, , ' ,,-] , ,.. '., ' .. .:",~~~ " f " "t , ,.\\'r,:, '.", . ~ . . ,',> , ...... . , 'I'," #7 page 33 Atkins/ I said $1.5 million. , , Glasgow/ Okay. You are still wrong and the reason is none of these land prices or anything has been negotiated or solidified and until it is you cannot accurately assess the cost of this site and I guarantee you I am not going to be selling my land for $145,000 and I don't think Washington Park is looking to sell their land at $1.5 million or whatever you guys project. Also you have offered $25,000 to Sand G Gravel to close down their sand plant. That doesn't include the cost of any mineral rights. It doesn't include the cost of their business. And that particular cost is so far our of whack it is crazy. That thing is at least worth $2 million, probably $3 million. And you have another 9-10 years left on a land lease and there is millions of dollars worth of sand left there. So these costs really should be negotiated and should be open to the public. The public should know what this site is going to cost before you go ahead with this site. Throg/ I would like to make an observation. Are you finished, Jim? ,~., ,,~ C~'l \\ \ " Glasgow/ Yeah, go ahead. Throg/ I would like to make an observation. This is-all of your points are a matter of litigation now so we are a bit-we have a difficult time trying to respond to the matter that is being litigated. The one observation that I would like to make which I think doesn't get into the legal quandaries of it is that you have tossed around a whole bunch of numbers without anybody having the benefit of seeing how justifiable those numbers are. Whereas we have at least presented some numbers and said we have two separate independent appraisers providing those numbers. So it is one thing to toss around $10-15 million and it is another to have some actual dollar value. ,~/~, 'I 1 ; . , Glasgow/ Hey, I would be glad to debate it for you anytime. I mean, you guys hide behind that veil of either litigation or saying that you know you can't speak to it because you are not experts. That is a real good out for you guys. Throg/ I am not saying it is an out. I am just stating the fact that it is being litigated and you have stated some numbers, we have presented some that have some support. Glasgow/ Do you think, in your mind, $25,000 is going to buy a sand plant that puts out $600,000 or $800,000 worth of material a year? $25,000 won't even buy a scale for that sand plant. When ~\ I I i I , i I , , , , : i I ~~ , I'.. i I : i ; i "I ~ .~~ , ~:~~,,(~ rli\~ l_~ This represents only e reesonebly eccurate transcription of the Iowa City council meotlng of November 22, 1994, F112294 , 't~o__~ ~,~ =0"')' r, ,,'. ~ "~~:_~ -'q'iQ' - f" ., f';"""< ,,''-;'~'J I}~r,~,: ~' .~~' ~'il' tt " " I f ,:;' i~ ' 1./ ~ ' ~[1 " .?:.lli'~ , .,~' .- .;~ \ \ .~~ PI' f , I : ~:: ;;,l" 'l }'I" ~1' I " , ,~ y_,r ,'\.. 0 ., . , ,1\ 0" ,t'II' ','1 " ~ . .. " , , ,.", ~ '~.., #7 page 34 you throw numbers like that at the public and then you come and say yeah, this site is going to cost us $2 million. That is where the scam is. The people of Iowa city are going to be paying a hell of a lot more for this site than what you guys are telling them. That is all I am saying. And you are also putting a park out there. A park. Kubby/ No water fees will be spent for bike trails or parks. Glasgow/ Well, you weren't at the sherret. Throg/ I was. Horow/ Yes we were. Lehman/ I was. Glasgow/ What was that all about? Kubby/ You know, it is really interesting because a lot of us are always talking about wanting front end input on things and we finally did it and it backfired like crazy on us and it is probably going to teach a lesson that probably shouldn't have been learned. I mean that is not the right lesson to learn from that. Let's just assume that you agree that we need that much land to do this project as proposed. Just for sake of argument. We want to have control of that land so that wells and the sands don't get contaminated. How can we allow the pUblic to use that land that they have purchased in the most efficient way possible? To like use your dollars in the best way possible without contaminating that. And one of the ways is to let people walk around on it because it is beautiful out there and that is what we were getting at. What other public purpose can be served? We need the land anyway. Why let it sit idle if there are some ways the public can use that land because you own it without contaminating it. Audience/ (Can't hear). Kubby/ No water rates, water fees, will be used to build the bike trails. Glasgow/ Would you be willing to put that in a city ordinance? Throg/ Yeah. Lehman/ In a minute. This represents only a reesonebly eccurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994. F112294 - U "'1tIl1d1>,;._. - ~" ~~o ~/ ,';, ',~ ---, f" :,;:;;:;:)),.-: r,;iLII.': ~'~B:&~: ,'.,!/', ' . \~' !f.i;( l'f#{ fi I (D '!. ~ , i;~ '~ r" n /5' 5,0. ':'~GtI, ,.-..,', ' , .L r I \ q. I ; I i i I , , I I" : I~ 't ~.-: '1 III " ~: ' f.1. 1""( L~ [.t.::~. :' 0 "" --- " . . . . "> '.'-1'.\,: . '~, .\ . ~ '-. ,i,,';~J".. #7 page 35 Glasgow! I am just asking, right now, would you be willing to put that in a city ordinance? Council! Yes. Glasgow! Good, I will have it for you tomorrow. I will. Horow! We will do it ourselves. Throg! It is important for you to understand we are not committing money for-Your user fees are not being directed towards the purchase of bike trails and so on. All this other stuff, we are not doing it. Audience! (Can't hear). Throg! Yes, but it is not being purchased for the purpose of building trails and if you think that is the case you are misunderstanding pretty deeply. Horow! Misinformation. Kubby! We are trying to have a discussion with mutual respect. Horow! Jim, do you have another point because your- Glasgow! I am not meaning to argue with you. I am just saying-I am trying to state some facts. The fact is the alternative plan that we presented which uses about 130 acres would be acceptable by the DNR for a water plant and that means you don't need to take 230 acres for a water plant. Now, if I can take my plan to the DNR and have it approved for an Iowa city water plant and you take yours and have it approved, does that mean you don't need the extra 100 acres. That is what I am . saYlng. Kubby! Your plan will cost us more in construction costs. Glasgow! Oh, bull. How do you know? Kubby! Our engineers-our consultant- Glasgow! Your engineers are getting paid $3 million on this project and the more it costs the more they get. That is the facts. Howard Green is on percentage basis with you guys. Lehman! I don't think that is true at all. This roprosonts only 0 roosonobly occuroto tronscrlptlon 01 tho Iowa City council mooting 01 Novombor 22. 1994, F112294 - F',,~'~: - -', o~~ ~l':;}"",' \ 1 ".. '. hi;;', r~;J~~; I'i~~ r~ ~, f o ~ ~:~ ~;i~. 'j'''' l:i.f; ~ [J, " I, ~. r;" ,t, ,,," j:i~1~] "....- " .f r-\\ \, ..~ ~ ,I ) I I' I I ,I ' ," I i , . ! , '~~ ,I" , I : 1 , " ,I \~ "iYr " !I~~,;~', i~t')~~'~ lor, " " ',.,' - fI --. .Co " I , , "~t: . ,:\1. ~ , \ " .' " ."""..', ,'., , #7 page 36 Woito/ No. Glasgow/ Want to bet? Lehman/ I don't want to bet but is not true. A lump sum contract. It has nothing to do with the cost of the plant. Glasgow/ You know what it is. You know how much it is? The lump sum contract. Lehman/ $2.5 million, I think. That was negotiated. It has nothing to do with the price of the plant. Glasgow/ You think Howard Green is going to do anything that guy says to justify whatever grounds you want to take. Horow/ Jim, your time is up. Frankly, we are not getting anywhere with this. Audience/ I got to leave. I will refer my time to Jim. Horow/ His time was up at 9:26. okay. Audience/ (can't hear). / Because he is asking a lot of the questions that a lot of people want to hear the answers it was written in the paper about. Horow/ That is probably right. It is misinformation so keep on going Jim. Glasgow/ I guess back again. The only thing I really would like to see come out of this is if you guys are going to take this site then I think the Iowa city people have the right to know how much it is actually going to cost. If you are going to take the whole 230 acres or if you are going to stay on this site, there is a lot of issues that I brought up. Pipelines. There are trees out there. You are going to take 20 acres of trees out of this site. That is doing the sludge ponds the way you want to do them and that is another issue. I am going to file an environmental law suit against the city for taking those trees out and Larry Baker and Karen, you guys that are big tree lovers, I hope you are out there with the first ax. You know, this is going to cut those trees down and- Well, I guess I am open to any type of discussion and I would be glad to oppose anything that you guys say. I mean not oppose. But This represents only a reesonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meatlng of Novomber 22. 1994. Fl12294 ,. '-~ J,..,',.. " . " o ~- f" . I',"" :'.,-:'1" Vir f,'i If ~, ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ .' f) I:, ( r ~ i: ~ \" ~J I/S ~~ ~ 0 ;:;;iiB' " I. ; , .' ~~: I I , '. ..:: ..-.. , " , ". ", . , __ ,', , ~,;", "': ;. '~, .' , 't ; #7 page 37 I definitely disagree with everything you guys have said. I think you are scamming the whole city. ..--'.. .L C~'\ , I \. ~,,~;~ ;;:.- ' ( , " " Horow/ Thank you. Jim Freeman/ I am real short. I believe in what this man says. I am a Iowa city resident and I have been for all of my life. And I have drank Iowa city water all of my life and I don't think I have gotten too small from it and it tastes pretty good to me. I would like to say something to you city Manager. I think you are pushing it to the people of Iowa City. Let me finish before you pull that mic and get on me. I think that you should go out and talk to the people of Iowa City who are trying to retire in this town. I have dealt with them for 35 years. I know of older people that live on nothing but $500 a month. They live in a house and they are proud because they can pay their own way yet. And what you are going to do for them is you are going to take their pride and I really firmly believe that. All of these people are saying just wait. That is all they are saying. Just wait. I believe the deferral government will ease this regulation. But maybe you are smarter than I and you can look at them in the future. But I also think that you people were voted by the people of Iowa City. You should listen to the people of Iowa city. Ms. Kubby, you ask the people back here if we are willing to gamble and you got a big yes. And I think that will happen throughout the City of Iowa city. You have to get out and talk in the little coffee places. Not by churches, not by the Chamber of Commerce and not by anybody else. I know of a lady who lives on one of these incomes because I have dealt with her and I have helped her. I am not asking for any pat on the back. When she cooks a chicken she takes the skin off it, she takes a knife and she cleans every bone, even the rib bones to get the meat. Those are the people that you ought to see and talk to and how they are going to pay for your water bill and everything else. It is not the rich people or the poor people or the apartment owners or the- I like your smile on your face, sir, and I will be done in a minute so you can do away with it again. Horow/ Sir, excuse me, the city Manager does whatever the city council asks him to do. ~l , I , Freeman/ That is fine. I am just telling people of you up there that you were voted by the people of Iowa city and I don't know if I am using the right language or not. Maybe we should have a recall on the city council. Whatever I am trying to say. You know what I am trying to say. And find out what the ;; I ,. , ; I' ' I ", 'I I I I ! J '\.,\---::' \""'~' , '/' " ',' , ~'iI~~ ~:i~ ;Il'<"""', "('\"'" . "............ ThIs represents only a raasonably accurata transcrIption of tho Iowa City council maatlng of Novembar 22, 1994. F112294 !(---~ --"" - '0--) , --- - f" "..I; . r. /,) (,:V,i;;.' t;,~~r~:; ,~IW ;r." r'~1 t", ~ir I.P. r,[ [ ~ I f " I' ~ l ::~ II ':1\' ~;l-t v' "~il 0, ;n~.l " J ,/"_. ~, r ~ , \ \1 \ , \.' ~ i I ) ,I ' 1~1 I I , i I I ", . , " : I ~ I i I ! ~~,' ',' '-wr " ';~"~ '~" ~, [':~i .~~'~: rr'~~,. L_- tC~ 0 , , ,',', , "?',\i.. ~ ' " . , ., '.' , ','" . #7 page 38 people of Iowa city think. That is all I have to say. Thank you. Throg/ For those folks who are leaving I would like to urge you to watch the remainder of this when you get home or some other time because that is our only opportunity to discuss some of the issues that you have raised. To be fair to us and to be fair to you you need to have an opportunity to hear what we say in response. Donna Wilson/ I live at 1926 Broadway. And I have been listening tonight to all of these big figures being thrown around and I would just like to say a few words for the people like myself for whom this whole issue boils down to the fact that I make $8.60 an hour. I have two children to support on that one income. And the bottom line is I can't afford to have my water bill double. There is no way that I can stretch my budget any farther than it goes right now. And we can talk about hundreds of thousands of dollars and millions of dollars but I have to consider the budget that I have to live on and you are making Iowa city a place where people like me cannot afford to live. And I think you really need to consider if I have to live on a budget, you need to work more closely within a budget that everybody in this town can afford to live with. Thank you. Dave ClarkI I am here representing 172 home owners of Benton Manor. They are an affordable housing structure off West Benton street. Soon, maybe not to be affordable. We, as an association of 172 condominiums, wish to voice our opposition not only to the proposed rate structure for the new water plant but also of the scope of the unnecessary frills included such as purchases of additional land and who knows what. The Benton Manor owners sewer and water bills is what I really want to focus on. There is 172 units and our bill every other month at present is approximately $4,000. Every other month. According to the proposed increases, as of January 1995 they will go to $5700 a month or every other month. That is $1700 which is a pretty good shot on our operating budget for these units. And let us not forget that the first of January also of 1995 that the sewer rates are also going to increase .0165 cents a unit. Somewhere along in there. These ridiculous increases are in themselves bad enough but listen to January 1996. For out now $4000 every other month to $7821 every other month. I know this is a bad pun and it came up before but we are not a bottomless well. If Mr. Throg's proposed larger user fee is discontinued these numbers will inflate to yet another $852 every other month. That is on top of this last increase. This represents only e reesonebly accurete transcription of the Iowa City council moetlng of November 22. 1994, F112294 :.L - ,~'~: " ,,' 0, T. .-A . \ ),.",:,, ,'", IV f" f:(;:t(~~., i'At; k'i~,' I}f:!lft ({\~,' ~,'(1f ~' 1 1 ~ , . I ....c.. ,'0 ,,J ", .~?~~. /' ,....-..... ( .\ (~,.\ ~" " ",~ , ' I " I, '! , 1'"1 i , I: I ( : i ,I I I .1 I ' : I ~:' ! 'I " : I J \\.," \, '.-~" 'r tT',',~I~,'.', f'I~~~ , -""', r~ . ; i ~ , '~~ \ \' , " " , ,'~' ",:' , " . #7 page 39 I would hope that you pay close attention and listen to Mr. Barker's presentation because his made the most sense of any of us and I would urge you to pour over his presentation very closely. Thank you. John Balmer/ I will remember to sign in, Madam Mayor. I reside at 10 Princeton Court in Iowa city. Speaking to you tonight as a homeowner with a household of six who are certainly going to feel the affects of this proposed rate increase. And speak to you as a former pUblic policy maker that has had the pleasure to sit on this body and empathize with your position that you are in and what you are having to deal with and I am very frustrated knowing that you in many ways aren't the ones that are proposing this but are having to carry the water. It is almost like fait accompli and I am hoping that in some way we are going to be able to send a message to those folks in Washington because I was very frustrated in my 8 years on council when we were dealing with this same particular issue of wastewater treatment plant that we ended up paying a large sum of money, all of us here are paying for that now. I can remember back then that there was the carrot that was the federal government will pay 70% and you pay 5% or whatever it was. Well, ultimately we paid all of it. Now they are being a little more upfront. You are paying all of it. I think that is where my frustration is and I share that with the individuals here this evening because it is like we don't have any control over it. And who is promulgating these rules. I think it is some non-elected individuals in washington, frankly. Sure Congress writes those laws but who is the ones that ultimately make the rules and regulations. That is coming from those folks in D.C. that are non-elected officials. I am convinced of that. Now, why can't we as a body contact our federal legislators. I am convinced, as a member of the party that was just successful, I am convinced that we are not going to see many changes unfortunately in those rules. I am just convinced of that and I am being practical I think. But by the same token I think we would be doing a disservice to all of us here if we didn I t at least attempt to say okay let's have some sani ty and some reasonableness to these rules. We cannot afford, as a community, we have too many people on fixed incomes, we have too many people that are barely making it and we have families. Yeah, I will be able to afford it. It is just going to take less out of what I can do for my kids when they go to college. I will have two of them in there next year. So, it is going to be a stretch and I am not the only one so don't feel that is the case. I am expressing a frustration as a former public official. I know what you are This represents only 0 reesonebly eccurate trenscrlptlon of the lowo City council mootIng of Novombor 22, 1994. F112294 -'ti.:.ll'~'''~- '0,,)\ , =- --..- ~ ~ f" I;';~ ),%~' t,~ ~"';!:, I"'tj fl ,I " , I; d~ ,~~ ',,' ,>> 0 U, '. ,t 2..&~t' ,C' .-.;... [ \ \. ,_:~ '...,....\ " \ , ' : I ~ , ' I I I I , I : i I , I ,i I ' , I I "," \ i 1'-:' i I' , ,I I I J ~J,;. \...:>' " ',.. ';r,~'." -t.: N 1; ,,", 1'!1";r., L_......, ("- " 0 ',.. _u_,________,_____ , i , ".~f ~~'f,'. ~ " . , '.',,' , '-. . #7 page 40 going through here and I have empathy for that. But lets see if we can't, as a group and a community, work together and maybe go to our elected officials and see if there is any way that some 'of these rules and regulations can be lessened. I am not saying completely eradicated. But I think there has got to be some reasonableness in this and frankly, what I have heard tonight, if this is true about the city of Cedar Rapids, I would like to know how they are doing it for less than we are. I think that is a reasonable request. I thank you very much. Throg/ John, can I ask you a question? I am sorry. I was trying to ask you a question. Somehow my mic wasn't working or whatever. I hear your point about getting together, sending a message to Washington and so on. But you're not optimistic about changes so I guess what I'm wondering is as a former mayor of this council, as a former member of the city council, if you were in the position that we're in, what would you do. Kubby/ Would you take that risk of the fines and the court ordered plant? Would you? Balmer/ I think I'd have to look at the what the ultimate cost to this community would be when you factor that in. Would I be willing to risk that with the taxpayers? I think that would be very hard for me to say that I would but I'm bull headed right now and I'm so frustrated having been on this end and basically just accepted it before you as this is what we had to do and we had to live by it but I'd first like to try our persuasion and negotiating skills to see if we couldn't do it from that end. I frankly I just think there's that unfortunately they have that lever on us and if they impose those fines, I don't know what court of law we'd be able to win in because they're the ultimate KUbby/ It's so hard to know what's the responsible, response is. Balmer / It is and I understand that and maybe that's not what people here would like here tonight would like to hear, but quite honestly you have to be practical about it. But I'd like to see us as a group as a council as our elected officials try to make that effort to reach out to those people and say hey we've got a problem and we need to have some help. Horow/ John, we have no problem, I have no problem doing that and I don't think the rest of the council does either. I guess I'd like to be able to assure them however that the citizens of Iowa city are not looking for the problems that impure water This represents only a reasonobly accuroto transcription of the Iowa City council maetlng of November 22, 1994. F112294 "-, _~- n .~_.- =' r ,-~ '0 ,~),: J .'... f" h{\~~~fi I"{.," ~:'~6~" 'dNi1 I;~'" ~i~f; ':. ',tl' ", "" l~ ~ I I ,!' .. , b b~, ',Vha 0, ., I)l.. 6 . ,\ ,J "',',;-. , " i1.;~, \'j .' ~t :,,'1,-:, , ",l ~ , , '''"" ,-,-",'-J": #7 page, 41 will bring. In other words if some of the impurities, some of the problems, the reason for the clean water act to begin with, if they show up and the citizens are complaining about contaminations or health problems that come from impure water, you know this is what congress has been responding to. Am I going to say to congresspeople that our citizens don't really care about health problems, about cancer or anything else, that they perceive to be in the water. Balmer! Sue, I don't think we're saying that. I'm saying let's have them be consistent. We've got a new wastewater treatment plant essentially. Now we're having to make improvements to it because of new rules and regulations. The city manager was telling us that in several years these regulations for water will get tighter. Well now is that fair to the local communi ties that have to bear that burden. And how much further will we have to go. How pure does that water have to be? Kubby! How can we get flood and pollution prevention programs? I mean a lot of us refuse to vote for people who will do pollution prevention programming on a state level. But don't want to pay the after the fact cost individually. And that's a problem too. Someone came up last time and said when are you going to stand up and I want to then turn it back on all of you as voters and say when will you elect people to state houses and to the feds who will do front end pollution prevention programming so that we don't have to do all the expensive aftermath cleanup. ( ( .,,\ (' Balmer! See as a homeowner and I'm just looking at this from my perspective when I utilize the water system except for the drinking water which is sometimes granted not the best, but in any other endeavor, i.e. showering, the laundry, etc. what's the deal. What's coming out of there is it going to be any different that's going to make my clothes any cleaner and the dishes any brighter? You know, it isn't. Horow! But we have no way of double.... Balmer! I know that Sue and that's what's so frustrating to people here I think. And I know you share that sense and I appreciate it, what you're going through. Nov! I really have to answer that. This business of the EPA standards has been a bone of contention with cities allover the United States. The National League of cities has \ ,?~ ! ' i< ! I I , i I , I i ~,~ II" ! I ',\ ~ This represents only e reasonably accurato tronscrlptlon of tho Iowa City council meotlng of November 22, 1994. F112294 'J'~ ~' , 0;' ~'F l,~ ~,' o~" ([ n.-~ :. --~--~ -~ - _:- f" '. .' ~';m' \~,~' ~ o 11" ' \'~' mi' " I/S ' ~O, , -: :r;,ti~~~'~: ,. \", ':'~~t:\',; , ~ ','~ ,,':'.. . " ,'," . , ", , . , ",' '-'<,''''"'. ' .',1..'-, #7 page 42 campaigned on this issue and lobbied in Washington and we're a member of this and we've helped lobby on these mandates and at one point I talked to somebody who works at the EPA. And said look, we don't need to test for everyone of these chemicals. Not all of them show up in Iowa. Can't we have a set list to test for in Iowa and another set list in California? We don't have enough people to do that, so every state has to test for every chemical. We will have to test for chemicals that are found only in Hawaii. Balmer/ See now that's absurd in itself. There again is a good reason. Horow/ But you want to cut government and the EPA does not have the staff to be able to allow us the flexibility of just testing for things in Iowa. Nov/ And they are not likely to hire more staff and make individual regulations for each state. Horow/ I mean we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. Balmer/ I understand. Throg/ I want to pick up on that. Horow/ Wait a minute. How much more are we.... c Throg/ Well very briefly. Audience/ (can't hear) Throg/ All right. Good point. I. Philip Zell/ Plaen View Dr. I have a question about the size of the plant. It sounds like given the federal mandates, we really don't have a choice about quality, about what comes out of the water treatment plant now. I'm talking about the infiuent water treatment plant, but perhaps we have some control over the size,of the plant and I'm wondering about the increase in the size, the increase in the daily usage that's projected to be 11.5 million gallons per day for 20 years. Is that correct? Atkins/ That's about right sir. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcrIption of the Iowa City council meetIng of November 22, 1994. Fl12294 j :..' "-' " ',' __ ,0, ,', '~ J,',..,',',"," " ,'\"'" , :"i,~,"~" . ~ -,-c,_-' J.I Co_ f" '. C:'~~j Ii),"',: ,~~ '. ' I , ' ! o '. I ' 1m' ~ . ~, \ l~, I!i~, ,'" I I ,...., 0, , " ,'WHEl ,{ r-' \ ,.,. ;(''1' , i , I' , I I I I! , , , i , I , I L i I I~; II : I 1-.\," "~ '1"1' ); l;!"' " ('11, , l.. 'e 0 . , , , , "~~ ~\I., . ~ ' " , , ,,'," ~ ". .1"...;,'..:'" #7 page 43 Zell/ So that proportionately that represents an increase in our population of about 50%. Is that about right? Atkins/ Oh, no. Zell/ From 7.5 to 11.5 million. Atkins/ Oh. Just on the pumping. Zell/ Just. Atkins/ No, Zell/ Well ,where's that water going. Atkins/ I'm still having trouble with your question. On a peak day, you're going to love when I say this, the DNR requires us to design the plant around peak days. So we have to go back through. our history and we have to demonstrate to them what our peak performance of the plant is. Then they use that as a factor in designing. Please don't hold me to all the details of the thing but that's what we use as the factor in designing it. And historically that number that you used, about 11.5 to 12 million, that includes certain growth that would occur and then you have to factor in just general growth with respect to it's'cheaper to borrow money now than over the long term and that's why we're going to build the plant, it's about 16 million gallons which means it's full bore. That's when it's pumping all that it can pump. Kubby/ So we're saying 20 to 40 years. Atkins/ Yes. Yes. Zell/ Well then I guess what I'm getting at is it sounds like that's the only place where we would have CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 94-134 SIDE 1 Atkins/ Wasn't enough then we could not have the ability to accommodate virtually any growth at all. Zell/ So you're saying to replace the plant that we have and to handle the surges that we have and to produce the quality of water that we must, if we, just did that, and we had no growth, we'd save two or three million dollars out fifty. This represents only e reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994, F112294 ~- "- =- --'. '0 It',','. '\ f" . 1:,":, l~~ A I;:J , I,~ 'J~~, "!~ t!/Y-i ~\!~~: I>j ~O. .,-,. " ~?l:ii.~", ,.'.~ " ".,_'. .'J,,, ~' , , , ' ~'-' ( , \ \ ~ .- q~ 1,1 ., I I II . I ! i i i f 1';1 ",~"lj) ";[ i'~'(.I"" '" ~, ,.( ~"~, !," "~" -" :c;-' ., f', . , , ',':1: I'! , ' """'" .. '~' ~ , ~ ". f" #7 page 44 Atkins/ That's a very rough estimate staff had. I'm sure I could come back and get some better calculations for you with the engineer. We Ive gone through that scenario when we were talking through the project. Zell/ Thanks. Atkins/ Also keep in mind that our intent was to use river and well water and in periods of drought I recall if it was in '88 we had the drought year we did not have to dramatically cut back in our production of water. Zell/ A lot of our expense will be because we're going to be lime softening the water. Atkins/ Technology's the biggest expense there is. Zell/ Well, it's extremely capital intensive to build a cold lime softening plant. Atkins/ I don't know the...I do know the capital intensive aspect was explained to me by the engineer to put together the technology. And the other thing is the sludge lagoons, which we do not now have, to build. We're able to take the water by product sludge and put it right back into the river. The new regulations say we can't do that any more. Zell/ When I talked to' the woman who represents the water department and asked her about alternative treatment schemes, she was strongly in favor of cold lime softening and it seems like that's the wave of the future, but I'm wondering if there might be alternate pathways at least for the time being that we' could use to meet EPA standards. Atkins/ I don't know. I certainly could pose that question to the engineer. Kubby/ I did~'t think that the answer given at the last forum was complete, so I talked to Carol Sweeting, our information coordinator. I'm not sure of her title. Atkins/ Water Educator. Kubby/ Thank you. Atkins/ You're welcome. This represents only 8 reesonebly eccurete trenscrlptlon of the lowe City council moetlng of November 22. 1994, F112294 ~- _II' " ''; - ' -,,]""."':, 0, _ :,', ",' , ,:~ " , , " 'T'; "5 " '.~, ~.' , ,', "",'"' ~"l'f.l' !~l,' I I I , 1, }\ ~i :"'1 [1 " Jl~' , , ',~t:\'I' ' , ",\ , . . , ,.-', ~ ".., #7 page 45 ) Kubby/ About this and we are going to be using some carbon filters to cap off the last part of our process which is a little bit more expensive but will help with taste and odor and some pesticide removal. Before when I'd asked about pesticides the answer was we're going to just continue with our policy of dilution, but with the carbon filter add-on, we're actually going to be removing some of the pesticide as well as some of the Lou Licht poplar tree method that is not approvable by EPA but we may do some experimental stuff because it is a very low tech, cost effective way of removing some of these things. The reason for the lime softening is because especially in periods when, the nitrate level is high and we'll dilute with the Jordan water, that's very hard water and it will help us have consistent water throughout the year by using the lime softening. It'll take away the hardness and create, will take organic matter out of the alluvial water anything that's left, and the river water. Zell/ Well I can understand the need to control ph for the water mains to prevent corrosion but I don't know why we have to control hardness out to the population. Even an industrial plant will have operators testing influent water and adjusting their softener influent and make-up accordingly. That's a point that I don't understand. Maybe that's something that could be discussed. One more question. Horow/ Okay. Time's almost up. Kubby/ Just decrease my talking from his time. c~ .~:... r , \ \ \l ~i ...., ;(.;;:~ , " \1 ! 1 , , Horow/ Okay. Zell/ The acreage that would be used north of Interstate 80, are the alluvial water supplies underlying most of that acreage? Is that. Atkins/ Yes, basically. Zell/ So basically that who~e area's a reservoir. " Atkins/ Yes. Zell/ okay. Thanks. I , I , , ]' ~" ' I' I ' ,I . 'I I "~\,,,; \,-::" ! ) ~' ..r ,;' T:~ lil~'",*, '(',\, l_"" Horow/ For those of you who have come in later. I'm asking that you hold your remarks to five minutes and I will be timing you. This represents only a raasonably accurate transcriptIon of the Iowa City council meetIng of Novomber 22. 1994, Fl12294 I (-.- - "- - - - ,. 0 , "., , ------ ""~,'"1,"""'" ,'. \' f" . T' 'i5 " ;1' ..' ~]r,~i~' ~~ . i' i I, ! I '. i,~', 1,['," ,"~ ~"\~i '~ '\', , ,,,R. I"l[l ;:rY.i~11,.. " " ,:~t: I' 'I, ~ , '. .',,' , -. , ,.. .., . ',:, ~', . #7 page 46 Dick Dolezal/ Well I was here. There's a crowd outside. That's what you're not aware of. Earlier. Dolezal/'llll Marcy. I lived here all my life. Horow/ I know. But the television audience doesn't. Dolezal/ I talk to you quite frequently. Horow/ Right. Dolezal/ Earlier tonight we had a man here with some what if's and I have ,some what if's also. What if Mr. Glasgow does not lose his lawsuit against the city on the condemnation proceedings? What is the city's plans? What if he says 90 acres is sufficient? Are you going to build on them 90 acres? Kubby / We can't do the current plan on 90 acres. We'd have to change our plans. Lehman/ It's an engineering question. DOlezal/ Well I thought we had a timetable that Mr. Atkins gave us. We have a ,timetable and you haven't got the lawsuit settled. What are you going to do? Horow/ okay. Do you really want me to answer it? Atkins/ The timetable is in order for us to comply with the federal regulations and they say at certain times, they happen to do it in July of every year, we must meet a new standard with respect to the water that comes out of the plant. We are on schedule right now to satisfy the federal government's timetable. Could something occur to cause that timetable to go awry? Absolutely. ' Dolezal/ And you're collecting money ahead of time that you don't need? Atkins/ We need to borrow money in anticipation of the fact that we're on ,schedule. Now if something were to occur financially, then we can certainly make adjustments. Remember it's a two year adjustment process. Please keep that in mind. Dolezal/ If we have the two years then earlier we had several people say please slow down. And I suggest you do that. This represonts only e reesonebly eccurate transcription of tho, Iowa City council meeting of Novembor 22,1994, F112294 ('~'-- ; 0 . ---- ----- 11'I.'- -1iIlIalJ.----.".. -~--,,- o ),:", - f" . !~~u. .~ 'f I I I ~ o ,!' i :.~ , ' 10, 'J ;;;, ,,;' .,J }~utm, ,~'- " ..\ ~,' '\\ " ~~ i r \ , " ,~) I i I i ! I I , i , , I ,~' I I" , i 'I,). '~~ ~/ It ".,,' ,:,,",',\~'.l :;>1":: i."t,. l._- ::C'" 0 - , , ~ , ~~: \1' , ".'1, , '~,., . ,'.1 #7 page 47 Horow/ Thank you. Lou Licht/ I was watching this on television and thought I'd better come down. Horow/ You heard your name and. Licht/ Yes it was just after Home Improvement. I just wanted to mention that I've heard alluded to using trees and other items for cleaning water before it goes into our pipe systems and I did want to mention that I did just return back from Slovenia Tuesday, last week Tuesday, and as kind of a hobby when I'm there we're covering landfills as we do here, but there is a quite a bit of work in the Eastern Bloc using infiltration galleries to clean their water. So to characterize the situation, they're not wealthy people. And so their rivers are quite contaminated with agricultural and urban run-off like ours and so what they do is bury pipes in the ground and they pull their water first through the soil and then into the pipe. So really our alternatives for getting water, we don't have enough rainfall to feed our water needs by catching it on the surface so we either take it from the ground water or from the river. And up to now we've been taking it directly out of the river, but that makes you very exposed to problems flowing by you~ So you if you take it from the ground after sucking it essentially through 200 feet of soil before it gets into your pipe, it gives you several things. One is you have a buffer so we have a big rainfall in May and here comes nitrate fertilizer down the river, well some of that if not all of it will go into the aquifer and it gives you a chance to kind of buffer the peaks and valleys of what's in the water. And then that gives the microbes in the soil a chance to denitrify, get nitrate out of the water, and,organic carbon that's, in that alluvium. We've got a lot of alluvium in this Iowa valley in that soil that was deposited by the glaciers. It gives that a chance to, the organic matter to adsorb the herbicides or other things. We were talking about leaks from Interstate 80. That type of material. And it gives you some time. It gives you some time to react. It's been my belief that it's, if I had one thing to do, that I would like to pursue, it would be, I think that we've all agreed that infiltration galleries have merit here. I've this part of the design and it seems that our plant, maybe one of my frustrations, maybe it's something I don't know, is that if all of our water were to come from infiltration galleries with no water planned to come from the river, that would probably substantially change our de~ign because the sediment from the river substantially would This represents onlV a raasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22. 1994. F112294 - - ,- -- r, ~ ) 0 "'- ' ,.':" f" . 1;,1i' ~.,!.V '01 ~ ~ I ~ ! f.~ ~:t, U"" "I,,'~ :'. ~ 0, " .1~:rr.ti:ij' '''I ~ . '::t.'I '\"t ~ '.. ~':' #7 page 48 be out of that water supply. And then that would also perhaps eliminate use of ground water. And if we didn't have enough sediment or excuse 'me, source north of town, well maybe there's enough or more south of town. Maybe we ought to split the plant. There's a lot of alternatives here that I don't know that I've heard have been explored. I believe that distributed systems not relying on one system but two systems is 'not a bad idea. We've had a time recently when our water plant went down and the whole town was out of water. So I g~ess that trees will not solve the problem. Trees are a great thing to put over the ground between the river and the infiltration gallery. It helps keep things clean. It helps get carbon in the soil. It helps support that eco-system. But they're not enough for the amou~t of water we're taking out everyday unless you have miles of infiltration pipe. So I just felt necessary to come down and say a few words. Horow! Thanks very much. Woito! Lou, can I ask a question? Licht! Sure. Woito! You understand that we are using the infiltration in this design? r- J C "-j \; ~ : 1 Licht! Um-huh. Woito! Wouldn't your proposal be even more land consumptive, use larger bodies of land eyen then this? Licht! Well, you need so the water is being pulled through the bank of the river; So you can calculate the yield through the bank at different gradients and however deep you pipe is you can calculate how much water comes through a foot of bank. So you can calculate how many miles of infiltration gallery you would need. I don't think you have enough on Bruce Glasgow's portion of land. You don't. So you would have to be using city Park. Maybe this other peninsula, this area. So there are calculations. I know that it is controversial and it perhaps it would require easements and!or parkland and things such as that. But you probably, wouldn't want industrial development over the top of these things and the type of sources for contamination that, would be a problem, would exceed EPA drinking standard. What I believe infiltration galleries will do, they will reduce the cost of the water treatment plant that was really our sole source of water because we wouldn't tl I I , , : I , , ! , I i if I!" I , , ".}. '11 ~(,Ii'; ",';ff'"I~\1 , ~~~~ ;'\LI~" " .--: This represents only a raasonebly accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994, F112294 - -- -" - II: ~ , 0':.) . , :L_o - f" , T ,r 'i '" '" 1-0 ;~ I n ID ~ ~ i ~ I!} "1~ " ~:" ~IO .~,~.\ij ,/" " ( .\ C ~,,"\ \ \ ~ . ( , I f' I , " ! , , r;, " I .. /1 \~~ W' " ~'~'~' 'M ;,,'\ '~~. :l.~! '~( L_ "I " \ . ".1':, "," . ,..';:, #7 page 49 have the spikes of sediment and nitrate and other 'chemicals in the river and because we're in our original plan there was not the use of activated charcoal in the water treatment system, the alluvium would be your treatment. It would treat your nitrate. It would treat your herbicide. It would treat a lot of your priority pollutants that are in the EPA critical priority pollutants list. So again I just wanted to clarify that there's no panacea here that you're not going to get a magic plant system to do what is done by the engineered systems but of our two choices, the river direct and an infiltration gallery, again I know that this has been done. I don't know to what extent, but if we use the infiltration gallery as a sole source, maybe we have to build a section of it and really pump it to get good data. That may be necessary. But it's such a critical problem,and it might reduce it really by, millions of dollars, the cost of the supply. Kubby/ Thank you, Lou. Throg/ Lou, can I ask you one brief question just to make sure I understand? Licht/ Yeah. Throg/ I hear you saying that in order to use this infiltration gallery which is a very effective way of removing nitrate and sediment from the water before it gets into the plant in the first place. Licht/ Right. Throg/ ,In order to do that, you need a substantial amount of land. Is that correct? Licht/ Well you need again it's a calculation but you need river frontage. And it might be miles. AUdience/ (can't hear) Licht/ Okay, so you may need miles of Iowa River frontage and who owns that, what their regulations for what you can 'do on that land or upgradient. But other things that are being done and I have all this except it's ~n Slovene which makes it rather difficult. But you get the drift. But they do things like flood in the winter months when the nitrates low they pump water upgrade and flood it. And they put millions of gallons in the reservoir so crafty people that are intelligent but This represents only a reasonably eccurate transcription of tha Iowa City council meatlng of November 22, 1994, F112294 (' 0 ".!.I~l(l ~~ ____ -..~ - '----:L~' 0 )', f" l~1' .' l') ~' ~ ~ ~: ~ 1 '. ~ I)~ 1'1. /'1' " ~;'i'~', I" ~11 0,' / ,) U ::;,~'m .c ......"1 \ I \ q:; i r I. I i I , ' I . : ! r , I" I' I 'I , \"j '''., ]~:~~ i;l~~ l._ 'e "? '-',- " 1:',; , , :, . .~ ~ \ 1, ~ '" .. " , ~ '- , ".1.:" . ;";.'..,,,.,... , .'.','""" < #7 page 50 without some of the resources that we have, have looked at ways to provide a safe, no one wants their people poisoned, a safe drinking'water supply. Horow/ Thanks for coming down here. Karmen Glasgow/ I was born and raised in Iowa city. And I guess I know I just can't go home tonight if I don't have this question answered. 1 respect Dr. Barker and his statement tonight that Cedar Rapids built a water plant on 80 acres of land for $196,000 is just going to keep me awake and I have toq much to do on Thanksgiving to risk that so what I'd like to know is why when we live in the educated community that I've been in, can't we cut 'the cost. I just, 50 million including one million. Atkins/ $196,000? I thought it ($35 million) was the number. (Several voices at once) K. Glasgow/ Okay but still that's a lot less to me. 15 million isn't a drop in any bucket I've seen recently. So I still want that question answered and since the public, everyone's saying we want our questions answered, I really want that answered. I know I'm not going to get it answered before Thanksgiving but. Throg/ I don't think we're going to answer it but we'll look into it and answer it. Bob Welsh/ I'm one of those that isn't watching on television. And I cam not with any technical comments but probably to make some very unpopular statements. Number one, I do have the feeling that we need better water in Iowa city than we have. I'm distressed when I read the levels of contaminant that we have and the effect that it has on people's health. So I think that there's' a safety matter there. I guess I also came down because Karen you asked the question about risk and I think you probably, have people those people ,who come to some of these are people who are opposed to what they think you might so. I'm not willing to take that risk and I think that delays from my perspective will do one thing. It will adq to the cost. Iowa city has had some experience of delays that have been very costly at this point. I probably have not taken the opportunity to be as informed as you all would like for' me to be. I know that people have talked to me who have attended some of the sessions that your staff has conducted, who have ThIs represents only e reasonably accurate transcrIption of tho Iowa City council moetlng of Novamber 22. ,1994, F112294 ~ -. ..~ 0 -J,:': ..' ["" ',J,~ y' 1"i'.I"""" >,If,i''i , . :l~: 6~' ,(1' ,t fi~~, ',J, f~ 11 G . ~, I [, r , I. i' lfi:J ,\~ :~ ~..,~, \'5 ~O ,~mj c r'\'\ \. ~(,'" i \ I I ! ~ , i : i I , ; : Ii f;, I , J "~\~j. )". " " J~:': { i' 01" II' ~,~~ 'c- 0 .'j "~' , .'\\1" ~ , '. ~ ". . ',I'. " ;'~" ;." ,.....,.: ' #7 page 51 told me that they have come away from those being convinced of source that you're taking is a correct course. And those of people who have not felt that way when they decided to attend. So I guess that leads me to make this statement that I guess I really don't come to ask you to make any specific decision. I come' to say to you, I think you probably are fairly representative of this community. I would tell you all blankly, I didn't vote for all of you. I did vote for, I won't give you the exact number, but I sure voted for a majority of you and I guess I want to say I trust you. Now that may be a very unpopular thing to say about elected officials in our country today, but no I really do. I guess I trust each and everyone of you. I differ with you at times. But that doesn't curtail that resect for you. You have more information than I have. For example, I,heard people applaud when you said yeah, you would be willing to pass a resolution that says you are not going to use any'of this money for bike trails or parkway. Even with my limited knowledge I knew that you never did intend that. I am not sure of this but I am not sure that you could even if you wanted to. But it has never been your intent. I don't think that is any great concession and deserved the, applause the people that said hey, boy, we'sure go this passed. I think that is an indication of misrepresentation and misunderstanding and I probably have a lot of misunderstanding without it. I have given you a letter expressing concern about the impact ,on low income people and I think that is a justifiable concern that I trust that you will address. You have addressed in the case of transportation which you feel is an essential service. I trust you will address that policy matter for the essential service of,water and sewage. I guess I am willing to trust you that you will do that and so I guess in summary please take all of the facts that you have, listen to all of the input and technical advice that people can offer you and then make the best decision that you can. But I guess I do want to express the fact that I went on the Parade of Homes just recently in this community and ask the cost of a house. The person said well, this house costs such and such. But if you wanted it built today, it had just been completed, it was going to cost $15,000 more. The longer you delay on what you build, the cost is going to be higher. And my water rates are going to have to higher and quite frankly I am disturbed that they are going to be as high as they are. And so, weigh all of the factors. At least 'I just wanted you to know that, there was one person in Iowa city and I don't think I am the only one who really trusts and respects you and whatever decision you make I trust you will take everything into account and make the best decisions for this This represents only e reesonebly accurete trenscrlptlon of the lowe City council meatlng of November 22, 1994. F112294 -- -- '0 l):' - , ~ -- f" . ;!,w' ~;;~' 1 l r l ! f ~ ,;,:~ '>~" "" ~:;'I ".,,:J :""1 ' r ; , } ~ ' ,....1 0, ?6r~:t;;1 .r ,..".....~:.a, \ ' \ i;1 .. " : i I , I , ' I , , f' ! 'I ~ ~'~~ C i'j'" ~,~i I"I~ l.__ (- \.- ..,,- f'l ~ , ',:~; '!' ,\.. , .,.. ~ ", . .-...~" ,',." I ' ",--",,~.._,.,,',.-, " #7 page 52 community. Horow/ Thank you. Gary Sanders/ Iowa city. What percent of the problem of our drinking water is due to nitrates that come from agricultural sources up stream? Horow/'Gary, we don't have that information. Atkins / Gary, I don I t think we can answer it as a matter of percentage. I do know from experience and when we have to put out the public notices that the nitrate level has increased dramatically and we have an obligation under law to put out a public notice. I don't know how to measure that as a matter of percentage. I can measure it with some frequency going into ~ur records but it is the result of chemical run offs. That is correct. Sanders/ My only wish and I have been sitting out there for 2 1/2 hours. My only wish is that 1% of the energy that I haye seen here tonight from all of the anger from people on.these rates have been directed over the years to our state legislature for allowing the unbelievable degradation of the rivers of this state. And a good deal of it is from agriculture. I understand that it is very important to this state but it is totally unbelievable to me. And I am upset that people are trashing the EPA which I believe is trying to protect us. I believe there are health risks. I believe that we have reached the point where we have to pay the piper. I don't know if it is this particular amount but I think the time is here. We have left the environment basically go to hell in our non-stop growth, in our non-stop agricultural dependence on chemicals and I might be wrong but I think we are going to have to pay the piper and it is unfortunate that it is this city council, it is this city, it is at this point in time when everyone is angry about rising prices, the interference of government and so on and so forth. But. we have let things slide for way way too long. Thank you. Throg/ Gary, can I ask you a question? Gary. Would I be putting words in your mouth if I said something like this? That you would love to see the state legislature direct funds to Iowa city to help us clean up the river water that has been polluted by upstream users. Sanders/ If we can dream all sorts of fantasies. You know, we could This represonts only e reesonably eccureta transcription of tha Iowa City council meeting of Novamber 22. 1994. Fl12294 o _~___' --- .- O:)J"'\ - f" . fAf; l~~~ f;:if,' r~ ~ F- p r I ; ,!' ~ ~! !h~ :;:,,~, ,'r~' " ~;~\, D ' I) ~l ' 8 0, :mr.ts:i' ", ) r-' t I ..'\ ' C--':' \ I \ \ V '~ ~ ! t' 'I " 'I' I I ! i I r.', I il!'" : I J ~~"'<~ 1r , ~ " ) ~" ~ ~ ;r;:,'1 I. IT~t'~1~, , I,' ~i;t~ ,.-" , , , ~ , "t "1,\1,. , , " \ '~.,. " . .."~,', #7 page 53 start requiring farmers to do all sorts of things. We could require industrial polluters to do all sorts of things and residential users and urban polluters. The whole thing, you know, if we wanted to come up with our dream fantasy. But I thing the era of the dream fantasy is over and I am sorry to say that. So I wish ,you all luck. I do. Thank you. Charlie Greenewald/ This last statement that was made about the farmers polluting all of this area. I am a farmer. Farmers at one time were doing the polluting. Nobody knew how much nitrogen and phosphate and potash to put on. They thought if they put on 100 pounds they got so much. They put on 200 pounds, they get double that. Well it doesn't work that way. So, you talk about us farmers. How many trucks do you see go by in Iowa city spreading fertilizers on these beautiful lawns? And then nobody says anything about that. Kubby/ We tried. ' Horow/ We have. Greenewald/ So those are some of the things that has kind of irked me. Another thing that I-I was talking to a friend of mine in Des Moines. They draw water out of there and they have good water. About 80% of their water comes right out of the Des Moines River, the Red Rock Dam. So I don't see why we can't use some of this water around here. We have that Coralville Dam. Why don't we fix that up? Horow/ Charlie, we have already-that was already raised this evening. Mr. Atkins-we looked into this. The Corps of Army Engineers uses that as flood control. They have to have the ability to drain it. It is not a constant source that we can count on. In other words, we have been rejected. Greenewald/ Maybe we can build our own dam down stream aways. That is all I got to say. Thank you. Bruce Glasgow/ Don't take this off my time. I am going as fast as I can. I guess I must own the 230 acres some place because you keep telling me about it. I just want to give you all the information, the facts that I have in my possession and the people keep calling me ,and giving me more, so you can make an intelligent decision on this. I was watching television last night and there was Irving Weber and he stated that knowing the history of Iowa city leads one to make better and wiser decisions about Iowa city. So I wrote you a history of this This represents only a reasonebly eccurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994, F112294 'c_~_ '" -- ~~-Ylrr_, o,lP - , " f" , 'I' , .' ./"", '.. ~.'" ~~~\~ir I"",c, ~AW ,~';11 f;,{!, b~'",' !\~', Ii" ~I " , I I ~ ~ t,:,\' I" ~'\",.'a;,", 'j"; '~ [J >, ,~~n~n , , . , , ~~ ',\'!' '., .. .~. ~ , , ", \'1.." ..- J ---:.;.1 r , I ' \ ;q , iI' I I I" I I , I , i , I #7 page 54 farm which we call the Butler farm. It was owned by Mr. Butler and he had the first bed and breakfast in Johnson County and you got there with your little covered wagon. He said the ferry is closed down for the night but you can stay in the barn and we will feed you in the morning and then when it gets daylight we will take you across the river. He lived in a beautiful house up on top of the mountain there. A big three story brick mansion. It is still there. We preserved'it and it is going, to be a nucleus for our retirement complex that we have figured out there. Another thing that we have dope out on the farm ,there is planted about 3,000 trees in ,the last 21 years. Now this is prime commercial ground and it will net the taxing bodies about $1 million a year just in property taxes. The only maintenance required would be that on Dubuque street. This is what we have planned over the last 21 years. Maybe it was more years than that. I lost track. But this is probably the most expensive site that the City, of Iowa City could ever latch on to. It is I-SO, highway commercial. It has 10 acres zoned for apartments' and it has got the nucleus for everything that you see on that map. The total amount of expenditures that we will have when that site gets completed will be $93 million and $93 million, multiply that by 30 mils and you get somewhere around $1 million a year and you don't do anything because this will be a retirement community and we want to own all of the interior streets, the sewers, the waters, everything. We would like you to come up with the Fire Department once in a while but that is about the only thing we will need. So, as-I call a call'the other day to tell me some facts that I was thinking about and it makes me want to reconsider the location of this $55 million water plant. I would rather have my drinking water drawn from a virgin soil source and not from. a sewage discharge area fed by North Corridor, housing and commercial areas. So I looked into it. There are more than 400 septic tanks draining into the Iowa River above the Butler Bridge. Those come from places like Windham Bluffs, River Heights, Thisers Addition, and you name it. They are all located on the east side of Dubuque Street. There are more than 100 septic tanks and all of the sewage effluent from the city of North Liberty drains into Muddy Creek and Muddy Creek opens right into the Iowa River just below the Butler Bridge. Best fishing in Iowa city. I have always wondered why. Now I know. Then there is a large operating asphalt plant just across the river. This site that you have chosen is a sewage contaminated area. It really is. Some of the other things that I have talked to you about that would worry me if I were sitting where you are sitting is that that $55 million-$50 million water plant could be wiped out in , , , :c 'I " , ; J, .,." "~:f'~: t:.', , ,~ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of tha Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994. F112294 _ -- , ..-- -'T ~ - __ " " ~,___ ]," "', .(~. 0___' '~ f', , lk'~''- i":;){ '1"'; ,tJf L ~ ~ r I ~l If i ,'1 i~ ~;i' II r;:,\ , " r I,~\ ~ ' '-I [J ,. ,) , , " " 1'[:},i5.m,: " ' , '- r' ~, "", ,.~,\ ' \ , \t .....- ;Ce-, I ~ I I ! I .CiO , I ~ , "t :'\\1,. " . ,~' ~ ". . #7 page 55 ten minutes, if that pipeline would break. Because where that pipeline is located on the highest point of the area and all that fuel produce would follow right down the ravine and into the south water plant and then down into the soil and we would have to buy quite a few trees in 50 years time ih order to clean it up. And of course the other one is a definite prospect that every well in the area will go down when you start pumping. It is no doubt about it. It happened 20 years ago when the University of Iowa decided to do air conditioning using wells and the Elks Country Club lost their well. I bought a' house across the street and we lost ours. It is predicj:able. So ta]ce that stuff home ,with you and read it and if you need anymore information just call me. Horow/ Thank you, Bruce. Bruce ,Randall/ Iowa city. I am curious about the gas pipeline. Is it a fuel line, gasoline. Atkins/ Yes. Jerry Full/ 906 South Lucas. I was watching television, paying my water bill and doing my dishes all at once. So I thought I would come down here. I may have missed some things but has a law suit been considered towards some of the people that are putting this in the river. I know it is finding somebody with 20 acres, doing something to their yard or like the tobacco company law suits that have sued the tobacco companies. Has anything been looked at like that to make the costs of the production a real number? Because as far as I, am concerned what we are paying here today is part of the cost of producing food and it seems ,to be that that should be paid, for by everybody who buys food instead of just people in large communities and along rivers in Iowa. Has anything been investigated like that? Atkins/ Help me out a little bit. I am misunderstanding on the law suit. " Full/ A law suit against the chemical companies, along those lines to help subsidize cities that are trying to get their , chemicals out of the water. Instead of blamin'g unelected bureaucrats that were hired by elected officials to make sure our water isn't killing us. Audience/ (Can't hear). This represents only 8 roasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meatlng of November 22. 1994. Fl12294 -~~~'- ,,' " - - Oi.)' "~,,,':h" ...-.,.,...'..-" f" T' "j 1" ,J ,...", ,\, ,.... n\f .. I ~ D ~ , t~ &, r ~ I. , ,I ~ ; "j ~~~ t~ , , I D, ,mi~:1\ I j (~ , \ .-j r.~r , , . I :' II I \. 0' '] ~ l ,Co \"'j ~ , "r' --'\" , "'I ,,~, ~ ~' " "," , "I"" ~(Jl [1$ ~" \ " i I #7 page 56 Atkins/ To my knowledge there has been no such law suit against the chemical companies. More against the individual who purchased the chemical and uses ~t inappropriately and the state law is pretty 'clear. And we have tried for a number of years to have that process regulated by the state and they choose not to do it. Full/ I understand that because of the amount of money that comes into the election process in the state of Iowa by chemical companies. I am not necessarily saying the chemical companies. Maybe there is a large landowner up there that is using large quantities of chemicals. Atkins/ The major land owner up stream from the water treatment plant is the U. S. Government. Full/ Well, I assume they are not spraying nitrates allover. Kubby/ They are leasing land for agricultural purposes and we have talked to them about, watershed management possibilities to reduce nitrates getting in the river so we don't have to take them out of the water to use the, drinking water. The lawsuit question is very interesting. o Full/ I think that is the avenue it would have to take. I was just wondering if that has been thought of. Atkins/ I am not so sure how we would fashion such a law suit. Kubby/ Maybe we have a class action suit and we have a 100,000 people in Johnson county. Full/' Th~ Environmental Defense Fund would love to jump on that. okay. Just one more bomb, to reiterate what that gentleman said that I do feel sorry for you guys about dealing with this issue and I don't think there is a conspiracy against anyone in this town or I mean I don't see what you guys have to gain by ,spending all of this money to do this. So I wish people would relax a little bit on this issue. Thank you. ' Keith Neuzil/ Again, just on the second round up here. I think people are forgetting that part of this increase is going to a sewer plant. This is a sewer plant that back in the beginning was state of the art and was suppose to carry us forward. Here again with a little insight. The contractor knew it was obsolete before it ever pumped one piece of sewage through it. This represents only, a reasonably eccurete transcription of tha lowe City council meeting of November 22, 1994. F112294 ~-~-- HU -- -"'-"l );: ~ 10 I 0 .,I~. ~ >,,;1 - .~4";f ...._~ " r '"~ ' c" \ \: ,,-,:~ a, i \ I 1 I .. i I I 'I I . I I I, i I ~:;, I J I ; . ~~"\~'" J' , ( 1:~ t~, , , i."t~, .. ~ ' , ' , .' I ,,---...i (?'" '~---~- ,"I ~ , 'It', -\ ~,\I,. , " ~ " , #7 page 57 Atkins/ That is not correct. Neuzil/ That is not correct? Atkins/ That is not correct. Neuzil/ What happened? Atkins/ Let me step you through kind of the history of the thing. Maybe it will help you. When, the project was authorized, I think it was 1988, it took about two years to build. We flipped the switch around 1990. It made the plant operational. Just prior to flipping the switch we had been under a ten year moratorium that we would have ten more years before we had to meet any new standards. At the time of opening of that plant the federal government changed the rules. They came back and said your plant may operate but you are no longer in compliance with our new rules and regulations and the ten year moratorium that we were granted is gone. You must now meet these new ammonia standard and that is the release of ammonia from the plant. Shortly after we turned the plant on we began the process and here is where we are today. Neuzil/ okay. One other question. Has anybody thought about instead of building a water plant on the Glasgow site, taking the water from it and moving it off sight and putting it some place else? Atkins/ We considered other locations for the treatment process. As I understood from the engineer the economics simply made sense to place it all in one location. Larry Svoboda/ Again. A short thing I wanted to mention. Two weeks ago I came before you and told you about the problems we had as landlords with the one water meter system when we have a tenant that may break a plumbing pipe or break a faucet or whatever and fail to report to us-to report the problem to us. We can run up a huge ~later bill by the constantly running water and not report it to us by that tenant or by another tenant. One thing I want to try to point out that can help us control that problem to some degree is to go to monthly billing rates. I think you really need to seriously consider that. Horow/ We are going to do that. Johnny- John Rummelhart/ I certainly want Ed to get back up here. A major This reprosonts only 0 reesonebly eccurate transcription of tho Iowa City council meotlng of November 22, 1994, F112294 ,'=~"" ", " - o 'J', ',)< .. "\ ," '-",',Y,:", - - .pq.w "1 /5 f" f$.~ ~'-W' if li I Ii , '\ :~ !~Io, .?rrt.:;\ -':. J _....A r , I ' \\ \, r::~ : I, I I- I I . i I ; : , i 'f : I':, 1 I 'i ' \~ ~;I . I'~I "',' '~ ,~. . ~'~ i"~ ~~, '!J'~'I It~ (( ':, 0 1,< ___ i'i ~ , "r 'I,;f,; " . 1 , ~, ; ':"..,',' ,-' #7 page 58 point this evening is in reference to an ordinance, it was touched on briefly by Jim Glasgow, filed August 23, '94. I hope this is an appropriate time and maybe we can get the council to act on it. I don't know what happened between then and now. This is a letter filed, again a number of months ago, to be adopted part of Chapter 33, liThe proceeds of charges collected from users of Iowa city's water services shall be used only for said water service limited to what is essential for the operation, maintenance, replacement, expansion, and debt service of the city's water treatment facility. Any other usage of such proceeds shall be in violation of this ordinance." I am asking and I don't know if it can be tonight but whenever it could be, if what everyone up here was just saying earlier. I would like to request that you put your vote where your mouth is and vote on this as soon as possible. Again, this has been filed. Let me give it to Linda. Kubby! We never voted on'it. We received it but we never acted on it. Rummelhart! I would like to get that put on file and you folks vote on it ASAP. Nov! Linda, didn't we respond somehow on that one. Rummelhart! Never to me directly. woito! I never saw it before tonight. Rummelhart! I spoke here at another meeting. Atkins! John submitted sometime ago. Woito! Maybe I wasn't here. Karr! It was filed August 23. Horow! John, we have, as you know, intentions to do that. Rummelhart! That is great. Whatever it takes. from this point. Let's get it whipped through the system. Let's get it voted on. Atkins! So your recollections are correct that as a matter of law you are okay. You can choose to do that. Use water revenues as you see fit. However, if you choose to limit yourself I would encourage you to limit yourself only to this particular project. We have a number of projects out there that were This reprosents only e reasonably accurate transcription of tho Iowa City council moatlng of Novombor 22, 1994, F112294 ..I ~' __'____"rr -~=~-~. ),, o T1-- f" ~ . "'I' , , , .,' r., \ .) ~S;";,~i, 'Sri:' . ,it' ("" /"V' j:/ Fl~ ;~:r ,. r' , f () I I \ f , ~o, " ;:;:m7J1 " i . , .'.t, "':t\\', , ',", ~ \ '. f" '. -:,'"..;,,,'... " f~J,'.'~,~' "1f ;.-: " #7 page 59 purchased with utility revenues. For example, we are building a soccer field for our Kickers Association on the sewage treatment plant site. Now the actual construction is being paid for by general fund moneys. But the site itself was purchased with utility revenues. So just as you think this thing through, if you are going to constrain yourself on this particular site, I would recommend that your policy is very very specific and the language in John's proposed ordinance is very general. Just to caution you. Horow/ We will take a look at that. Rummelhart/' Perhaps that ordinance could be refined. I appreciate that point. We are willing to look ,at that. One other point and I will try to, be brief. As far as the experts and the appraisal values, the pieces of property, if you folks are up there and your appraisers you have got working for you-if they are so sure of the figures, this $1.5 million on this piece of property, that that is what it is worth, what does it take to get a guarantee on that. If this goes through court, however it works out, and I don't think any scenario has been run on a worse case CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 94-134 SIDE 2 10 [ talking about or on $1.5 million figure. Is that right, Don? Atkins/ $1.5 million is what we used for the estimate based upon the appraisals. Rummelhart/ I think two things. My views are going to be different from yours. But if your appraisers and your experts are so certain that this is the amount the citizens of Iowa City are going to be paying for this piece of property, why can't we get some kind of insurance upon that figure? It doesn't work that way does it. Kubby/ Do you mean that if we went through court and the cost were more we could go back to the appraiser to make up the difference? i. , , I , , , I I ~J ~.,i Rummelhart/ Or out of you folk's pocket. That is my problem. Atkins/ May I comment, Linda. Rummelhart and Glasgow family has a direct financial interest in this and I would- '. Horow/ This is inappropriate. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council maetlng of Novembar 22, 1994. F112294 ',','j" r' .., r I: f', :":_- .' ~ [J. ,Co II .-.~=-' . ~r ~:~' )'" ,." I , 0, .. r.;, ,,~--- ,.... ,,: .) ~ . ,m;:,itj ", . . ,',; (~ \ .. K~'f i' ! I ~ ! , I , , : ! I ~ i : ,~ , I I, , I '\ 1 .. i r: 11' C~?u . ; j ~ . "t' ,"\\1,', ',' , ;~: ~ " . ""', #7 page 60 Rummelhart! It is. Well- Woito! It will be decided under law. Rummelhart! Correct. But I am saying as far as the citizens of Iowa city getting a realistic scope on the cost of this thing, there is a sale going on here on a rosy best case scenario. I want everybody to know that that doesn't necessarily mean that is the final price tag for this piece of ground. And I was a betting man, which I am not, but if I was I'd bet. We will see how things flush out to the next couple of years. There is going to be quite a bit higher price tag on this piece of ground. I would like-that scenario-We have a best case . scenarlO. Horow! John, you are out of time. Rummelhart! I am out of time? Okay. Can she give me her time? Horow! Yes. Rummelhart! Thanks, I ~1ill keep it under five minutes here. A couple of things, too, as far as forecasting costs. I think there have been a lot of projects in the past. There is one that sticks in my head specifically as far as cost overruns which I think are a concern. I don't know what we have got for contingencies on the water plant. Atkins! Can you name the project for me? Rummelhart! Maiden Lane construction. Atkins! Because it was five years later. Rummelhart! This is in less than a t\~O -year time period. From $30,000 it was going to cost us to over $60,000. That is a concern. I don't know where this is going. One other thing, too. As far as how we are going around the costs on our experts and our engineering people. I just want to-I have a question as far as who and how and why we are paying somebody like Kevin Monson from Neumann Monson Architects to be talking to resident of Iowa city about the site of this proposed water plant if we are at this early of a stage. Atkins! I don't recall us paying Kevin. He volunteered his time to conduct the sherret. This represonts only a reasonably accurato transcription of tho Iowa City council maetlng of Novembor 22, 1994. F112294 lifIW1IK- - , 0_'),' ;",," .. JId:I f" . '!Mi!!t.~}: j'J~:<l' !.,'.;;;'W~,:,',': z', ' "'&' ,"J "~ ~ 1Jl ~~ " " i 10 ~I' t ", .:~ t~ . \' , /~ 10, " """"" ";iA;'W,:," !"j, , "'\1~,\'1 'I ~ . :,,' , ", ,....'^".:.,, . ,..,' ..~ #7 page 61 Rummelhart/ It was volunteer? To my understanding, I can't remember who I talked to, and maybe this needs to be looked at. This is a poncern. To my understanding, not Stanley but Howard Green and Associates hired him as a consultant. I am assuming for the city of Iowa City to run this dreams fill in the water controversy brainstorming session on the property and we are spending money on talking about what we are doing with this site an4 number 1 we don't even know if we are going to have a water plant there. We are spending our money on stuff like this and it makes me sick and that is my comments, thank you. Kubby/' What is the cost overrun factor or the wiggle room factor that is built into our financing? Atkins/ We won't know until we bid, Karen. The sewer project that we built back in '88 came in substantially under budget. I mean it can happen. When you it the favorable markets with respect to bidding, the number of bidders you are going to have, there are just so many variables. It is correct, inflation does eat away at the price. The longer you wait the more expensive it becomes. That is the fact of life. Kubby/'But we don't factor in a certain contingency for- Atkins/ No. There is a contingency account, period. I don't know what the number is. '..... ,L (.~" \\ \ ,..... r+1 i' i Ed Barker/ I am glad to have just a few minutes so I can talk a little bit slower than I did the other time. First of all I do want to express at least my personal point that nothing that at least that I have said or many of the people are directed at you folks as individuals. It is an issue that is bothering us obviously that we are concerned about. Second, I would like to thank per~onally and publicly Don for his work in providing information for everyone who asked for it in regards to their potential water bill. It is very helpful to many people. I have a couple of questions just for clarification. On the $50 million, is that principle and interest? Or is that just principle? Atkins/ Principle. Barker/ So the total cost and the bonds would be for how many years? Atkins/ We estimate for 25. ., i I I , I i: i i I ~\, ~b "YJ \\~ ii\~~ l_~ This represents only 8 reasonebly eccurete transcription of the lowe City council meeting of November 22, 1994, Fl12294 ,!c~'-rv,- . .~' ~~/. )':" .":. o ,,' ..... ....',.. ,',,,",' .,,\. f" .',_-,,0, ~ft."" ~w' ' r:~( " k> I , ',. '}l ej', ,;,'1 ..\:j, Uir; , Ill, " ""~IS ' 10, ;~?;(1:::~) ,....~. 1 ,.,\ r .......\ I, \ \1 \." ,\ ':'?", I I' ' . i I 'I : \: I I ,I i .' I ! I I I ! rl !" : , , ,I , :! I ;,\",; " /Il'" , "~;"'~" ')' ff.(lll} ',lli' 1" '" 1,/"", I:~{''', 1"'--(1 l_-" ,c. 0 , , , , '~t \\'1., " . , , ~ . :!. ,'..'",..'",'..','.',' #7 page 62 Barker/ So it would double' that? Atkins/ Approximately. Barker/ Okay. So we are talking $100 million? Atkins/ In total cash outlay. That is correct. Barker/ I assume that would be the same with the sewer treatment plant? Atkins/ Yes. Barker/ And so we are talking $200 million. 20% of a billion dollars over a period of time. I think that has not really come out too much in the discussion. Other thing that I want to emphasize is a point I was trying to make of utilizing experts and people knowledgeable in these areas and I am not one of them within the community. I think back to the fellow that has been working in pennsylvania who seems to have a good bit of knowledge and he apparently lives right here in Iowa city and I wonder if we knew about him. Throg/ We have all talked with him. Barker/ These type of people I am saying we need to explore all of these various alternatives, too. I am more optimistic than perhaps some and I am sure more optimistic than Steve in regard to these mandates being modified by the government. I would suggest because you folks have the power as being a public official to contact at least Jim Leach to see what he thinks and let this unfold in the legislature to see if some of these unfunded mandates might be changed. And in answer to Jim's question earlier about who might be responsible for the nitrate removal and so forth, I do think that there are other entities that should be reasonable for that. Because agriculture is a state wide industry. We happen to live on a river. Nitrates are put in around Eldora and there are put in in Oxford and so forth. It happens to drain into our river. And so I would think that there are other entities that pressure could applied. That this is a common problem of the state. Agriculture is a big business and farmers are gradually learning that they have put too many nitrates on and I think they are try-ing to control' it to. And so I think that this would be an effort that can be explored. And that is why I say take a year or two to come about this. It doesn't bother me to postpone something for a year and I don't accept totally This represents only a reasonebly accurata trenscrlptlon of the lowe City council meetIng of November 22, 1994, Fl12294 - ~'--~ ~ -~r , - ~"~ 0,). ~' I 15 " '. ,.. \'/{~/' V~~~i i~:'Gt;-- '~:f,W t"i IW ~ ti t' " \ D l ~ [ I:. ' ,'I ,,' ,:,l [':\1, ,,' iI!'lo, 1~~m ':' c; ,~':";.:.I . r, '\ \, ii' ( , , ' " I I , I , I i , , , : i ! llf:, 1 ~l"<~ ~ . , , ~.I": ~\ ' 1~~:,~,'. ,~ . -. ,P;j'o ,L___ , " \: 1 ',' , '''',', . ""::,, #7 page 63 although some instances have occurred that it is going to cost more a year down the line or two years down the line. In dollars maybe but if it is an inflation thing it evens itself out and maybe even interest rates will be lower in another year. So, my main thrust is to slow down, relax, check out the alternatives, then a rate increase in March of 10% to start building up a fund that you are going to need. Obviously we are going to need something. But not the big whammy all at once. Another question I have just for information. Perhaps Steve may know. Are there other cities on say the Des Moines, the Iowa, the Cedar River that are encountering the same problems and what kind of solutions are they coming up with? Atkins! I can check for you. I prefer not commenting on what another community is doing. Our circumstances are substantially different because we have a 100 year old plant confined to. a 3 acre site. We couldn't get the technology necessary to meet the cleansing process for water actually on that site. I would be happy to report back- Barker! The same water flows down to other folks. Atkins! Oh, yeah. Woito! I can answer that question. Atkins! But they go by the municipal supplier of that water and we are the institution that provides it so therefore we are the ones- Woito! Steve, I can answer that. There is only one other city in Iowa that uses river water as heavily as we do and that is Des Moines. The other cities are primarily ground water. Barker! And it does bother me that we are proceeding rather quickly without really knowing what the ramifications of this whole thing are going to be. One other point I was going to make and I forget what that was now. Okay, on a lighter note then as I will close, maybe nobody will follow. On a, lighter note and with tongue in cheek, have you ever considered as a revenue raiser. 'putting meters on your fire trucks and charging for squirting water on fires? That might bring in some money. Kubby! I don't know. If your house burned down and you had nothing left, would you want to be charged? Ron Johnson! I live north of town in the corridor and I just wanted This represents only a 'raasonably accurata transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of Novembar 22. 1994, Fl12294 ~1lIIN!'lIga."'T~Tft ~, - 1 ':'-- .. '0--)): ", f" ,,_.' V~l""":' l:'}.~\:~~' ~:.!i1,/ ~~:~~: '.i\' '~'," .. } i' Th it. :" ..J II \~; ";t ":~D. =;'" 'l4.'X"~'~~, ~' .t ...'--:."1 I \ ~ f' ~ I , : i , , : ! , , , I ~ 1/:, I I" I ~f 't~~ ~ u (-- "~I ~,~ , r; ~ . , '~t: \' '(; "" , , " ",,", , "'.. #7 page 64 to echo Dr. Barker's message about maybe it is time to talk to the federal government a little bit about the predicament that we are in. I have 20 units in Iowa city that I have contracted to make available to low income housing through Housing and ~rban Development. That is a program administered by the city with federal money. And I sign a contract for ten years to rent my' units for a rent that is set by the federal government. ,They don't factor in a doubling of the water rates. It is impos~ible for me to pass that cost on. And that is the federal government causing that situation and, I think there is a lot of probably program overlap that you could look into here that might be good to communicate to them that I am going to have to violate a contract or pocket this increased money. I just wanted to- ' Atkins! That is a good observation, Ron, and we were aware of that when we were discussing our staff that we do provide substantial housing assistance programs and we are aware that the potential is that it kind of skinnys up the landlords willing to participate. I know what you mean. Kubby! Does the feds allow us to increase what the fair market rent is? Atkins! The fair market rent is determined by the feds, Karen. Kubby! But do they factor in local conditions. Johnson! That is in theory what should be happening. 'The small factor of Iowa city I s water increase put into the pool of statistics that they draw from to set their rents is insignificant. In fact fair market rents this year in Iowa city went down. So the amount of money that I am allowed to charge for rent on low income housing actually went down this year. Atkins! You are correct. Nov! And they don't allow utilities to be figured in somehow? Atkins! I a~ sorry, I can't recite chapter and verse- Nov! You could check that out, ,yeah? Kubby!'The amount people pay' for section 8 is 30% of their income including utilities. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of tha Iowa City council maatlng of Novamber 22, 1994. F112294 _.=..~ ':,:~. 0. ,)i, f" . ,", ' 'I " /~ iI, ... 1 I I I I l"'~' c0~r,'" ~J ~:' ~~' Q " I ~~, 10, ..:;y~tr}\ r ..\ ,__..";1 r : \ i.~ ( I " , : , , , .f' i I') : i ~~ I" ,'~ .;' ,~': ~ ~, L._ ;t~~;~ " F'I ~ , '~t; I' , " . ~ ", . ::'" . ,," #7 page 65 Jim Glasgow! Do you mind if I just have you clarify a couple of points? When I got in the mail in condemnation papers was a resolution passed by the c9uncil August 2, 1994 and the reason stated for taking my house was that the city wanted ny particular half acre of land for what is called multiple shared uses not incompatible with the water facility, i.e. bike trails. Now you just said earlier that there was no park or anything other than the water plant involved in this taking of ground. So I would just like an explanation. Horow! No; The water rates, if we are going to charge, would not be used for anything other than the water plant and' its- Glasgow! But the purchase of ground and trails you can use it for or- Horow! No. Glasgow! What is multiple shared- Horow! Steve. Atkins! Linda. The condemnation process as I unde~stand ~t that that is a reasonably standard sort of language. What you said is that if in fact you do any trails, parks, anything you do, water revenues would not be used. That, is what- Woito! And the land that the city needs to condemn of yours, Jim, is not just because of the trails. It is for all the, other reasons that we have explained in terms of interference,with the water from your septic system and etc. Glasgow/ Well, I have only heard one half way plausible reason for needing my property and that was a septic tank issue. Now you have got septic tanks draining into that river from allover the place and I am not within any control zone of any well on that property. So I don't see where my septic tank comes into play. And I mean if it is that important you can hook me onto . . I' sewer Slnce you' are bnnglng sewer over there or alternatively, you can move your wells down. I mean right now I am about a thougand feet away from any well and if you are so concerned about my septic tank, why is the pipeline not a prime concern because when we were first originally talking about this land, it use to be just called farm ground, now it is called Wisconsin Lush Alluvial Soils-highly sensitive but we still have this pipeline running through it and that is an issue that nobody seems, to want to address or make a decision This represents only 8 reesonebly accurate transcription of the Iowa Clly council meatlng of November 22. 1994, F112294, - -,- . :); . \ 0 - - ' :-- f" . f',. ~o I ~ II ''I ~ \ :J;" .' " ~ ~, .1 '.... f~{. 't, I'-~ t;~~. ~ [J, .' ,1;isi:m , , "~f ;" l." , , . '.' \ ", . , .;.t', '"..'. " '. ,..,,'~;' :"",' #7 page 66 , " r \ ,;.; c \ on whether or not it is going to stay or go. Woito/ I can address it. The reasqn why that pipe such as that break are because of human interference which would be digging for example. Digging'perhaps with the proposed construction that you have talked about. That is why it is even more critical for the city to have control over the entire site. So that does not happen. Glasgow/ Well, I would not argue with that point but I would also say flooding is another major consideration of what happened in Houston when they had the flood that pipeline ruptured. You are in a situation here where that pipeline runs under the river and it is probably going to be subject to flooding multiple ties over the next 100 year. If you are planning to leave this plant on here for 100 years you are not looking at a short term item here. This pipeline is going to be there for 100 years and it is 36 years old now and all I am saying is it may be a minimal risk but it definitely a risk and you are not only putting the water supply at risk but you are putting really the $50 million plant at risk over the next 100 years. I mean that is your decision. All I am saying is that I don't see -I haven't seen a real plausible need for my particular piece of property yet. Woito/ I unde~stand that. Glasgow/ And the other-the alternative plan that we have submitted tbat sits on 130 acres on that same site which I am telling you would, be approved by the DNR. That land is negotiable. It is not li~e we are sitting here saying no you guys can't have any land out here. That particular piece which you need to put this water plant in, that can be negotiated. But not the whole place. And you are going to spend a lot of money in litigation. I now at least with me and I am sure with the other people out there, if you choose to go beyond the 130 acres that,you actually need. And I mean I heard statements like we are going to jam the plan on,orie corner of this farm. Cedar Rapids seemed to jam, a plant bigger than this one on 80 acres and what I am saying here is that you can hav~ 130 acres if you want to negotiate it out. Thank you. Horow/ Anybody else care to address council? Kubby/ Before you close the p.h. I have requested that Steve get out the map for the sewer plant and just show p~ople. I mean no one is asking any questions. It is almost the same amount \ d If, : r Ii I I I ~ ; :1 , , I I , I 1'(, I,l il 1 This represents onlv a reesonablv occurate tronscrlptlon of the Iowa Cltv council meeting of Novomber 22, 1994, F112294 '~,'~,"', 1,; 4' rf , '~~ L~ c,~~~ _"- v LI",=~ --, :~-" 0_], f" . 10 ~ ~ :t !i)I,"" .."If. 'i' !t,.~! ~[l I '... ,I.; , ,,} " ...~ ."j,\";':iu\~, ;:--.. .,\ . . \~ ~ , ( \ , ' ,- I I I , I , , ; I , i '1 : f' i !, : l ~~ :1/': .. ' ~: I fl~,~ ~'(li~' ~ l._~ C~? , .' ; ~ , "r ~ ,\' \ I, ~ . , , ~: ,',1 1 " . ,"', ' #7 page 67 of money. It is real important that people understand that project. Horow/ Moved by Nov, seconded by Pigott (to accept correspondence). Any discussion. All those in favor signify by saying aye (ayes). KUbby/ (Can't hear). And will people please stick around if you can for the discussion that will happen after this. It would be appreciated if you can. Or drive home safely and turn on your television if you happen to have cable. Atkins/ The aerial photograph in front of you represents the connection of the north treatment plant to the south treatment plant. And the project involves, for simple purposes, construction of about an 84 inch pipeline from the north plant to the south plant. The south plant will be expanded sightly in order to accommodate the effluent that will be directed to the south plant for treatment. The specific purpose of this project is that under the new federal regulations that were bumped up on us instead of the year 2000, we have to build now. That we must dramatically remove the ammonia that is in our sewage effluent before it goes to the Iowa River. There is a very small growth factor built in to this project. The most significant consequence is the removal of ammonia in accordance with the federal regulations. Okay. Kubby/ So what is the growth factor? Do we have a percentage of the capacity or a percentage of the cost? Atkins/ I can only guess. I would suspect it is something less than 10% of the total project cost. More likely 5%. Anna BUss/ Karen, in answer to your question, I think that the sewer plant issue is a lot like when we get our water bills. We think of it as one total entity because when the city came out with the water bills this last time, they had the water rate increase table on the bottom of it figured out by the month and I made numerous phone calls and mentioned to people that that was in there and out of I would say 45 or 50 phone calls n?t one person read it. So there is an issue in itself. Atkins/ Thank you because you are right Anna. Folks think of it as the water bill. And in fact it is water, wastewater and solid waste. They are all built in. BusS/ That is correct and when you-when we get our water bills, I This represents only e reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council moetlng of Novembor 22, 1994. F112294 -= --~ ~', ,:), ..:,,',',',,-','..~"'... , "'0 ",;" , . ,-::' :,' "" ':" ,'.' I~ ".., , - - f" I I I , ~-~~ '1" ,i~ I D I "~I II! ' . ;~ :;4 1)~:ftAo, ~ .;"J 9 ' Jk~, , " ( c~\ \ \ , \ ~ I [ I " I , i , I I r I I '1 I' : ( ~j \",~/" I',' , ;,' " l",' (, ,,~ ,(-" 0 ~ " I ~ , .. ,~t ~,'\ t.~ , , ..." ~ ". . ,.",; ;. ' ,,',,'." #7 page 68 mean I can assure YOll that when I am sitting at my desk at the first of the month it is not a pretty sight. It really isn't because I pay bills for a lot of other entities as well as my own. Sometimes not always in as prompt a manner as I would like to because they are bigger than they should be. But I can tell you that since I have lived on Benton Street. I moved there in 1988. I went back out of curiosity and I dug out my bills. The amount of people in my house remains about six at any given time because my house is a duplex. I have children who are of different ages and they are habitual shower users. They give conservation of water ,a dirty name I am sorry to say. They are not going to- I can't pull them out of the shower. It won't happen. The problem is that the bill has increased so dramatically in just that short of time I have never paid bills this high before. My bill is $113 and I don't sit down and go $50 of this is water, $60 of this is sewer, $30 is trash. This, that and another thing. All I look at is the bottom line and when a publications have come out in the press citizen and wherever else they have come out: the C.R. Gazette, the 0.1., people see $10 a month. They don't think $20 every two months. They don't think now add that onto- You are saying now water $10 a month. But they don't sit down and say oh now another $10 for sewer so that is $20 a month but I get my bill every other month and when they really start to sit down and see some of these figures now on the news. I mean people see these things. It is like the last time Jim said well there is only seven of you here. Well, see what seven people can do when they put their mind to it. Think about the people who are at home and came in and I am sure you have received phone calls and letters. But again, to your issue we just see it as one bill. So, when maybe a lot of us have spoke, we have been addressing the whole thing. KUbby/ There is a lot of specific questions about the technical aspects or the alternatives have been directed at the water plant. I just want to make sure people understand the other project as well. BUss/ Water is cleaner to talk about than sewage. Kubby/ Thank you. Horow/ Is there anyone else who would like to address council on this issue? Roberta patrick/ I live at 515 Oakland in Iowa city. I have lived in Iowa city for-well, about 3,000 years. Since 1937. So, that ThIs ropresents only a raasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of Novembor 22, 1994, F112294 "~.- ,....,..---- -v--~. ~~ - ~~..O', ),- , \ - ~' r'" ",','~"'" ;:'~"~';.~" :~F~i, fi..,f!, r.:"i~" ,:~" ~<<,i" y., lJ1: i~f ~J PI \.Y \ ~:l;: 1'-' ,,1\\ "1t I .~ " .; ",,' ~o, , }ITi~ \'/ " ~t ~,J,'I "'. .. .. , " '. . #7 page 69 sort of outdates most.of you here in the room. Horow/ By one year. Patrick/ I would like to speak again for those people living on fixed incomes and low incomes and some of those fixed incomes are low. Some of the low incomes are for people who are working at low wages. I would like to speak very sincerely for those people because I am one of them. We are going to find it very very, and I add about fifty verys to that, difficult to pay the increases that you are proposing. It will be absolutely a disaster for most of us. Our incomes-there is just no way to incr~ase in in any way, shape or form. When you reach the age that I am and you try to think of adding some more money, there is no way to add it. Where I am going to find a job? Who would hire me at my age? No one in Iowa city because it is full of University students, University wives, other people, people coming from small towns around. I have no options whatever. So I am asking you-I have a great deal of respect for all of you. I really do. But I am asking all of you to think very carefully about all of the proposals that were offered tonight and the other options that you might at least investigate and see if there isn't' some one thing or maybe even another one thing that,you can find that would help those of us who are going to find it so extremely difficult to deal with. Thank you very much. Horow/ Is there anyone else who wishes to address council if not I intend to close the p.h? Actually we're continuing this to December 6. .....-.. " ( ..\' ......~ r \ \J., .' Jerry Feick/ I'll be brief. I'm an outsider. I'm from Coralville so I speak to you as an outsider. When I sit in these council chambers weeks and weeks ago on a night on which you approved an engineering report which is what you're about to vote on, and I think there's probably a record of what was said that night and you told your voters that this doesn't mean we're going to vote for this. What you've really got is you sold this wrong. You backed the horse into the barn backwards. You didn't educate the public as to what was going on first and why. And that's why you have the reaction that you have. It might be a lesson in 'politics. And if you want to try to tell them that it's 50 million, you know that it's not 50. You know that it's not 91. with interest it's admitted that it's 100. with law suits it's going to be at least 30, that might be something that 30 million and that might be something that you're unaware of, but I am aware of it. I sit in a law firm ~ .'~' ,.:.-\; , \ ~l It< I! " , , I :\ 0..'~~:; ~, (' r \ -I'" ',),'.' ,""".' " , ~f';~:' (: '!:- '. -"'- This represents only a reasonebly accurate transcription of the Iowa City council moetlng of November 22, 1994, F112294 (-- "",..."""... . ~ ~ - - '1 --=: ~- -l:: :, 0 0 " ---.-- - f" , 1",' ,;' 5 ,'if i""~' f~ r. I: I i i J ~~i '!J.1. ,}< f'~ It\!11 P1 kio, :~11:,.., ".:.1, ;' I ~ " ",~t; \.!: , " 1 ;,"' ,. ~ '-. " . ',,' ;:, #7 page 70 and I think all of you' can guess which 'one it was, and this lawyer was talking to one of you. I'm not going to identify who. ,And he told whoever it was that he was going to make you the star of this show and tonight you're on t.v. Maybe it's time to not back the horse in the barn backwards next time and go to the public and tell them why you need something rather than just ram it down their throat. The public needs to go to the public library, and I think you need to provide more copies of the engineer reports from Hand R Green than the one copy that is on reserve at the library and the one copy that can be checked out, so the public can understand what is going on and why. Why is HR Green the consulting engineer always for the Iowa city? Horow/ That is not true. Feick/,Well i won't use always emphatically. But that's told me by a very reliable legal source. I'm not going to mention the name but you know who it is. Horowl Your innuendos are getting to me, fella. Feick/ Really. Horow/ Yeah. . Feickl Remember, he told me that he was going to make you the star of this show and you're the star of the show. ,~.. .t (\ \1 ".~ Horow/ Thank you very much for your comments. Does anyone else care to address council? Then I'd like a motion from council to continue this until December 6 at which point we'll be voting. pigott/ Moved by Pigott, seconded by Throg, to continue the,p.h. until December 6. Discussion? .' ,'4"',""\ I, " I ' Nov / Can we explain why we're continuing this hearing? I can understand why we're delaying the vote, but I'm not sure why we're continuing the hearing. pigott/ Well, I think that given the proposals for possible change in rate structure that should things change it is wise for us to talk about those possibilities now and have that opportunity for the people to respond to it before we vote on it. , I : r I II 1 I ! I I I , I :,! I ' ' . i. I I r;,: ; I I ',\j ~.. '"', e,l I'" , ' '~"" " UIlI .'1 :i!' Pel; .,n, ^ Throg/ My gosh, we just heard three hours of testimony. This roprosonts on1v 0 roasonablv accurato tronscrlptlon of tho Iowa CllV council mooting of Novombor 22. 1994, F112294 co, .. :- 'l"'lI" \, --~-~----~ )";'", ::,:," ....," - .-- 0" ~~ f" . ,. ",' I~ ., is " ,,' 'H ~'i"1. ',11:,<." "i!:i ";" i@ f , , f I ,I ~I:?' "\ j" 'I ~r j~1 [1 -' ~-'. :~tmJ, .J ; f-~'~ x r-"'\ \t ..:'i ,. II: ;.'! . . I '. . I'" Ii I I : II : I I , I. I ~; Ii ,I" 'I' J)..... Ii, " I 1 , f.~il..... -~~' ' ~ r, It ~l~!~ ('\'- , 0 ',I. -- ---- .. ~. j < '.~' ". <.t\\l.; . '-. .' . .> . ., .\ '~. ,. . "',)-,'; : ..1.,; '_,,' #7 page 71 NoV/ I understand and I thought that we had heard three hours of testimony and three more hours would not likely bring different testimony. We don't expect people to come in and say these rates are wonderful. pigott/ No, but they may have different opinions about the different proposals. Throg/ Yes, we do have other proposals that we will be talking about here in just a couple minutes that people need a chance to respond to. And no one has had an opportunity to really discuss them at all because we haven't got them out on the table yet. Nov/ Okay. Horow / There's a motion on the floor and the question is for discussion. Any further discussion. Kubby/ My, I have a request and I'm not sure of the appropriate time, but we're getting a lot of letters from people. And in terms of deferring the p.h. I want to make sure people have as much information as they want. And my request is that we gather these letters and have Carol sweeting our water educator get a hold of these people ,individually and answer their questions. Horow/ I think that's a good idea because some of the questions I would like to poll them too. It just seems the more that we talk to people individually, the more we can answer questions. We can get rid of some of the misinformation that's flying around here. Kubby/ And I think that having a consistent person doing that is valuable. Throg/ I'd like to make a related suggestion which we talked about briefly last night. The ordinance that we have before us proposes a rate increase that combines water and wastewater as well as a very small increase for solid waste. So my suggestion is that we separate the two into two separate ordinances so that we can be... Audience/ (can't hear) Throg/ Well that's not quite right at all. As a matter of fact. This represents only ~ reesonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994. F112294 - - "" ~I~ J.".'......'.........c. .0.... ....: ..., ". -.-,- y-'.... ~ ~'... '. ' , \ . n: I ,.. , ~'''. Iii i l11 ~ . ( 1-- .,e;;, 'J .... ',., ;~"1\1' ( ,.:.,~ r \ \ a .' ) I I : j . , , , \ '<T' : I';, i I :( ;,. .:~ 'J ~ ( -.,..,,-.- , , 0 \. - .' \'i " .> " "t ,_. \\ I, ~ . , ",' ~ . ).,,; #7 page 72 Audience (can't hear) Throg/ Well I'm sorry I shouldn't be talking to him. Horow/ sir, that's enough out of you. Throg/ So my suggestion is that we have one ordinance that focuses on water increases which would be the same increases as are currently shown on the draft ordinance but would only pertain to water. And that the other ordinance focus on the wastewater improvements and would have the same increases as currently in the draft ordinance but focuses only on the wastewater. Pigott/ Would clarify the different proposals. Horow/ steve, that's no problem is it? Atkins/ Splitting the vote? No. Woito/ As long as you're changing, not changing the numbers you can split them. Throg/ No. The purpose at least as I see it for doing that is because basically from what we heard tonight hardly anybody is aware of the fact that we're considering a $41,000,000 increase for wastewater, and that there's a reason for proposing that. Maybe we shouldn't do it. I hear everybody clearly on that point. But the rationale for the wastewater stuff differs from the rationale for the water plant, I think. Two fundamentally different issues that have some commonalities and yet we've bundled them together and people don't understand that they're really different things. Horow/ Good point. Lehman/ I don't disagree with separating but I think what I heard tonight from these folks is it's the water bill which includes the sewer and I don't think it makes any difference if it's sewer or water. We're talking about dollars, what it's going to cost to live in this town. I don't think it has anything to do with separation. Throg/ surely if we end up despite what everybody says that if we end up adopting a rate increase of the kind that's before us in the ordinance, yeah, it's just another rate increase. Lehman/ I think that's what we've been hearing tonight. This reprosents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994. F112294 ,g ~- ~- ~~~:=: , ,0 1,"F .~ -'" "",' ,,\ ,.' 1"i~li 'N }l .. Ie I j' .,'/ j ~. ::~ I~ \;V1~.. I 0, J~,"&':l .r"'- r .....'\ \ \ \ , \.; ;,,'...--.. , : I ,r., , " , ' II' . . I', ij I. , " ': 1 I r: I ," )'1' 'I ' ; j -', \\/ ' ",' . i , "~' ~"" ',' ~il'l1l ' l "r~l'f\ ;'\'~li~"~',I', I,~ ~ 'I "1:, \\ ',~ _-..--~ 'G " I .> , . ~r,.\'I., , " 1 ., . . ~\ '~.' ......'-.....-..."..,' #7 page 73 Throg/ Right. Sure. But if we separate the two, the votes might go differently on the two. I don't know. They might. And who knows, we might end up voting one down or the other. Who knows. Maybe we'll vote for both, maybe we'll vote for neither. Kubby / I had one other thing because of the time frame, we're expanding the timeframe for the p.h. I would like for the city council to specifically request that the chamber take a position on this issue or discuss the pros and cons if they can't, if their membership is split, because on many of the issues that have dealt with water quality the Chamber has come out, for example the pesticide ordinance, the Chamber has come out with a position, a very strong position, and had their people here. On issues of growth or when we were trying to get the process slowed down, when Bruno and Jim and I were trying to slow the process down to' talk with the pUblic, to gain support for the issue instead of doing a sell job which is what we are now in the process of doing, and I'm not asking for any comment please. Audience/ Remember what you say will (can't hear). Kubby/ That they, people were saying, you're anti-growth and they have positions on growth for economic development as well as residential growth. I want them to take a position on this issue or to explain why they can't, or the pros and cons. So I would ask as a group for us to request that position from the Chamber... to participate in this discussion and have the value of their input. Throg/ It is an important issue for the city (can't hear). Kubby/ It is the biggest Public Works project, money wise and possibly facility (can't hear) and affect on community and history of Iowa City and we need everyone's participation in this discussion. Could you call so they have some time to get their membership together so they can respond by the p.h. Horow/ Okay. Any other discussion. Larry. Baker/ I think I have to say something. I have some specific questions I want steve to look into for our next meeting. There seem to be three recurring concerns or proposals that came through. I counted 36 people, some of them duplicates. They got up and talked up front. We can certainly call Jim Leach and Newt Gingerich and Chuck Grassley and John Balmer This ropresents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meotlng of November 22, 1994. F112294 ~ w- ~-' '~, ~~ ".' 0, 'J,,: ," , ~. r:(~~' ,'eN r'I;W' ~"if '~ j' ij fl. ~ ! I I , :~ .~ :"~ :t. :.<1. 1/, [J .T;~'~T~,i .1 [ \ ;q r , .~ , , , ' I : i ;,.~ '~ 'j~' I, I:' r" r'[ (f- .' '~_ 0 . , .', ' .tw.. .> , '. . , 1 '. ."', :.,-" #7 page 74 who has better connections that we do with regard to the Republican Party. We can certainly talk to those people. In sending us money I don't think they are going to be very sympathetic but we owe it to ourselves and the people that spoke to make that sincere effort to contact them forcefully and immediately for some clarification on what they see as the future of mandates and explain our position and have some response from those people hopefully at our next meeting. Nov/ I understand that you are struggling to talk. I think it would help if you moved your microphone close to your mouth. Maybe you would have a little bit less strain. Kubby/ And there is a rumor that Newt has an E-mail address. Maybe we can get a faster response or at least- Horow/ Great you can do him and I will do Leach (can't hear). Baker/ The second issue that seems to be coming up a lot was the comparison of the Cedar Rapids Water Treatment Plant and just any more information about what is the difference between the two projects and why. And what are the exact figures, the problems, the costs 'and what was appropriate there that is or is not appropriate ~ere. And I know the third issue of the Williams pipeline location and relocation was part of the design review. But I think we might want to have an update on that and talk about ~lhat were the concerns and what do we foresee as the problems there and what we are projecting (can't hear). And those three things in particular I think we need to get some more formal feedback from staff. Atkins/ I will prepare that. Baker/ And we will talk about rates (can't hear). Horow/ Any other further discussion. Throg/ I would like to bring up two sets of issues. One has to do with the fact that it is very easy to point blame at Washington on this issue and talk about unfunded mandates. The devil made me do it. I was talking with a women this morning not too long ago who was pregnant and in the hospital and walked up to the drinking fountain and saw a sign on the fountain that said don't drink the water. It was a warning for her not to drink the water. Okay. And it's interesting that she was, warned not to drink the water because of e~cessive nitrate levels in the water. Those nitrates come from This represents onlv a reasonably accurate t,snscrlptlon of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994. F112294 _ n,_"",,~.l 0_) - - f" rr:;%~~' f;iti. I~I~"' ',. ~~~t ~,q' r.~ lW I I o I ~ ~ , " I, t .' 1 , t~i ' ,1 ~\ r ~ :'~ W[]. :j~J.6.i:1! c-'., 1. c 1 \ \1 \' ...::~ !i I' fol I I I ~ I !! Ii " : I' \ I II; I I i : ! r i i" i' J 'I . ' \'..,,;, ~... -'.. , f , 'jlihfJ. I;,.,;:~M,")\'" \'~ I,ill (I\~:~ I ~"', L_......~ (....- " 0 " r.. ._ .' I, .> , '~t ~ \', "!, . ~ '. :::"..' .......-...' #7 page 75 agricultural chemical usage upstream in the Iowa River Watershed. And those nitrates-I mean the nitrogen applied to the soil and pesticides applied to the soil are not put there by the federal government. So, they are put there by people who use the land. I don't want to point fingers and blame the farmers either because we hear (can't hear) too. okay. There is plenty of blame to go around. I just want to say let's not easily point the finger to Washington and say the devil made me do it. The other thing I want to say has to do with the proposed rate increase. Last night we-several of us presented ideas about how to change the proposed rate structure. I want to be clear about several of the elements involved and I really want to make sure that anybody who is listening on t.v. or are here in the audience understands what we are proposing with these amendments to the-or proposed amendments so that you have a chance to react to them at the next p.h., two weeks from now. So the first proposal has to' do with the monthly minimum that we pay. And the proposal there is for us to adopt a smaller increase in ,the monthly minimum charge so that the rate increase will be smaller for people who use less than the average amount of water. That would apply to people who use leSS than 750 cubic feet per month. They would pay less. Larger users would pay more. Rigijt. The second thing-the second proposal has to do with shifting from what is known as declining rate structure which means the way it is structured right now for water is that you pay less. There are a couple of graduating points where you pay less for each additional gallon of water that you use. So our proposal is to shift from a dec,lining rate structure for water to a uniform rate structure so that all water users pay the same rate per gallon after the minimum fee. That means heavier users would pay the same rates as lighter users. Okay. The third suggestion and this didn't come through at all in the newspaper through no . I' . fault of anybody. It Just dldn't come through ln the newspaper today. We have a proposal to charge a special tap on fee for new users so that new users would pay for the portion of plant capacity that is meant to accommodate new growth and that tap on fee would be then redirected ,back into the water revenue fund. We might think of it as something like a rate reduction reserve fund. The idea is to at least avoid any future increases for water and at best possibly reduce rates in the future like 3, 4, 5, B, 10, 12 years from now on into the future. So, those are three proposals that we put on the table last night and I would really invite people to comment on them two weeks from now because they have a lot to do with who pays, how much. How much the rate increases would be for specific households. This represents only a reasonably accurate, transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994. F112294 - ~L . - "" .--'''- 1 '"__ ]', , 0 - ---~------_._--_. ,.. , ~,;~J: I';)} ",IJ'.~ hi l:'~' ~~ " \ ~ I rl t" Hi 11.1 f;~ (,~ 1,:5 ,"~O . " .J~Jill, .. i ',' . , . ,..~r\l'j" 'i" ~ . . , . t~. .,..1 1 . #7 page 76 Kubby/ There was one last proposal we that I don't know if Bruno and Jim and I who had made those other ones together but the other one was to have-the proposal was to have a late payment fee of $5.00 and the proposal was to have it be three dollars. A small change but we need to note it because it was proposed as a change. There mayor may not be, support for any or all of those but those are things that have been put on the table for further discussion. Nov/ It' is my understanding that we currently have the $3 administrative fee, not a service charge on late bills. It is quite different from what' you just said and what we are proposi~g is that since our administrative costs have gone up we are going to change to $5. KUbby/ It is called a delinquent sanitary sewer service account fee in the ordinance. Now I don't have the current ordinance in front of me and it is slated to be $5 but the proposal was that'that be reduced to $3. Nov/ Isn't it $3 in current ordinance. Atkins/ It is currently $3 and proposed to go to $5. You are saying keep it at $3. " ,,( r~' \ Kubby/ Yes but it has to be an amendment because the proposed ordinance has the $5 in it. Throg/ Can I make one other very brief point? I meant to say this. The reason for proposing the amendments that Karen just mentioned and the ones I mentioned is,so that if we adopt a rate increase that it would be a fairer rate structure that reduces the economic harm to low to moderate income households and the people on fixed income. That is, the purpose of the proposals. $0 if they don't work. It may be that they don't because we have a unique population of renters because many of them are students that are living in multifamily units. If it doesn't work out that way then we need to be'told that. But I want to be clear about w~at our purpose is. Horow/ One of the aspects of this, Jim, was that without that proposal the original rate structure we were talking among all of us about getting some sort of process to have a sliding scale or assist the low income. .":'':1 ("'r " II ; i , , : I , . i i if, ~1 'J '~. l, ' I: " R l,. Throg/ And there is that draft resolution. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council maetlng of November 22, 1994. F112294 ,:('-- ~ ,- , ~__~u =~_.- '0)\,; '"'' ',' I.' ..\ ~........~~ ~' , ~i'~~ ",\1, 'tJt! ,:~ ,~. , o .!. " ,\( 'tl, ~o;J" Iii, ~[l "',', 'I .r:.. , ,) , .,:', ,,' ,TI0:J " \ '~t \ ~, ' ','., ". , , , , , '. ",', .. . ,'- ,..~,. . -'.~ , #7 page 77 Horow/ Right, we had a draft resolution. That is going to take place regardless. There are the Roberta Patricks in the city and we do recognize that and that is a concern to all seven of us. ' Baker/ So when are we going to talk about this again? Horow/ It will be the 6th. Baker/ Because I want to make sure the public understands that Jim's proposals are proposals right now and there is still a great deal of discussion about those. I mean I think there is a case to be made that the other rate structure is in itself a fair rate structure. So I don't want to lose that designation. But we will talk about those things. Nov/ A couple of questions arid ,Steve if you can answer these today do. If not, if you can look up some answers. Do we have any figures on what water costs are in other cities than Iowa? Atkins/ We did kind of a brief phone around and tried to-We ended up contacted 16 other cities. We had 17. And we prepared a little summary for you if you would like. We do have some general information about them. Like currently now, with the current rate structure we are done near the bottom. But with the proposed increases obviously we are going to go much closer to the top of fees throughout the state. CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 94-135 SIDE 1 c: ';':.1 C \ \ I \ \. I" ~ .',- r::;:... , , Atkins/' I can draw a chart or something up and give you that. Kubby! A bar graph would be helpful. Atkins/ A bar graph. That is what we will do. I~ I I Nov/ And I think it is probably safe to assume 8-10% increases are just what their costs are. Atkins/ Yes. Nov/ They are not talking about major capital expenses. Atkins/ Particularly with utility costs being-electricity is a big cost for a water plant. The local electrical supplier, once they get a rate adjustment, it does bump our costs dramatically. ' , , : i . I i , ! ~:) I I.j , . i :\~'; ,.', ~" , """ " _\ , ,,'~' .' \.. ' ii 1;~j,{'~ f" ll~, \'._-"", This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the lowe CIty council meeting of November 22, 1994. , , F112294, :(L 0--- ~_. ,,- -- ~- , I o )> ~ ,.' ;<,';:1: ."oJ;' '~", t J~: it i r ", IU .: ,c., " ."J r~ ' \[;1 i;11~ D. ,~i:;bi~t!A " J [ ~\ \ ,"i.1 t:." , , ' I' I~ I I , I I' . I I I , , . , i i f: :, r, : I \ ~_"' 1 ::-{,~",. I'(~ ~t ,I,C_,O I""~, .> . '~(\i" '" , '. ;', ''-'',,1''', ,:'.: ,~'",..'-'.:, , ' . " ~' , \',' ,.'.~,,;-"- "'-'-.-'.'-' "...;... #7 page 78 Baker/ Sue, can I get a sense of- Nov/ I have got a couple of more. I know that we have looked at water sources and other treatment styles for approximately 3-4 years. Right. Almost ever since I have been on the council we have talked about this and I am at the end of my fifth year here. So we know that these kinds of histories exist. Can we prepare something like a summary history and hand it out to the press and leave it at the library? People are saying we don't have this information. We have never seep it before and I know that a good part of it has been covered in the newspapers and I know that people cannot retain all of this. I can't retain all of this. Atkins/ Explain to me what kind of summary you would like prepared. Nov/ A summary of water 'history we have had within the past 3-4 years. Pigott/ You mean in terms of looking for a location of a plant. Nov/ Looking for locations, rejecting- Atkins/ South of town. We talked to the reservoir. That kind of thing. Horow/ You were looking in the east. Nov/ People are saying why haven't you thought about other things and I am saying yes, we have thought about other things. We just haven't publicized these thoughts recently and we should. Atkins/ Okay. We will prepare something. Nov/ So, if you can give us a,small summary I think that would be a g'ood idea. Atkins/ Fine. Nov/ And we also need to add, to that summary a little bit by explaining that we need the wastewater treatment because. I think that has been neglected at times in today's discussion. Kubby/ And the wetlands option we looked at that was three times the ~ost that we rejected. Nov/ All of those kinds of things, yes. This represents only a reasonably accurata transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994. F112294 --': -"""-- l~U ,.. ": ' 0, -_. ,,)., ,.' , ~;I,( ~~' o ~ !~1 ,i' I\~t H :..;lli Jlili n ' 50, I '} r...., ,; ~.,~ J~~~{.lli)~ ' ~ ~( (" \ .,'..;o--~ ~ I i . I , I I . I i I ~\ II" I : I ~~ \~,.; ~', ~ ~ ;:' . t :(..0 '. ; , .~ . -two', ' . , " ", , ~ '''t" '-...' , ''-::-_:'.-:_:~:j ":,.,'._.;1,.., '.._ ,>,;~ "::.Y' " #7 page 79 Atkins/ Okay, we will prepare that for you. Nov/ One more question. When we talk about an increase in rates, we start with a March 1 billing which is the example we have in the current proposal. Isn't that an increase for January and February? I mean if we are billing in March isn't that an increase that when into effect two months earlier? Don Yucui~/ Yes, it is. Nov/ Okay. I want people to understand that. Yucuis/ It is for your usage in January and February. Nov/ So the increase, if ,you are billed in March, is the increase that started in January? If we switch to a one month billing that would change? Yucuis/ Correct. Nov/ Thank you. Horow/ Larry. Baker/ I have variations on what Naomi just asked. I would like to get some sense from the council about what is your perception of the pUblic's common theme was stop delay, 'step back. And it seems that they had three reasons: to consider funding alternatives or design alternatives which is something Naomi talked about supplying these to them. Or to wait for a reprieve from some federal governor somewhere. This is where the death penalty comes in. I just want to see if there is a sense that there was any other reason out there for delay except for those three: design, cost or reprieve. KUbby/ Information flow. Baker/ And that leads to my fourth thing which is we may not have sold this as well as we could have but it is not for lack of trying. I mean I know that we have all individually participated in num~rous private meetings, ,neigpborhood meetings, all sorts of things. I am wondering if it is possible for Steve and Carol Sweeting and they kept 'track of sort of like the- Atkins/ I can tell you-I think, in fact, I sent a memo to you not too long ago what Carol, alone, had done. I have made every This represents only 0 reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of Novomber 22, 1994. F112294 --~ - - ,~ - -.--.- \ 1,.:',',.,.,..,,"'" '... .: ,.'::'.', 0"" ",":" ,.. ,..;-, " . f" ~;' Q .., 1 ~I '~ ",3 ~. 3 ' '1,1) , ~ rJ. .~~l'\i' , t !.:J,. r \ I,.:;; /f: , ' I' i : I . I , I II~ I; 1 I i \ ~~ "~ ~:. ~\ 1,-'1 ~ I, rr --~- "ll.__ _ 0 ': ;1 ;'. < .> . "t' , ,'~' \' " " , ,"" .. ~ ". . #7 page 80 round when I have been invited. We have gone to neighborhood associations. We have been out and about. Baker/ And I know it is the nature of any big issue it all comes to a head at the end and I don't want anybody in the- Atkins/ One of the things the public has to appreciate it is very difficult to meet one on one or two or three people. We try to get a gathering together 'and you know what Carol does. She brings the maps, takes Ed Moreno has done it. In fact, the Water Watch folks from the county have been very involved. Baker / You have done television program and public forums and League of Women Voters. Atkins/ Yes. We have done all of that. Baker/ We have individually talked to hundreds of people. Atkins/ We got a televised League of Women Voters extensive discussion on that. ' Kubby / 'You know, it might be interesting to take some of those presentations. The last one with Dave Elias and Carol sweeting was very good. To have copies'at the Public Library for check out so people who don't have cable and can't catch it on pUblic Broadcast. So they can also, if they don't have a VCR, view them at the Public Library. Atkins/ Sure,: ' NOV/ The League Forum was done that way. Kubby/ So, can we make sure there is some extra copies there and send out a press release fairly soon so people have a couple of weeks to look at those videos if they should want to take that up'. Atkins/ If you remember this is kind of a bad week for folks- We will try to get it all together though. Horow/ So they should call both council and Carol if they have any questions after having seen the video. Atkins/ I will take care of that. Baker/ All right, thank you. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994. F112294 " ~" ~- ''C~ ,,~){:, f" ., ~'~' ft[ ",)' !l !, 10 ~ , ,I " 'I i' ,\t.., /.,' ,0', " JJ~J; '..,:..,:.' . '. ..h>-\V, .:. ' ',',... . .' " .' ~ >~~'-. , " .' ....\ -','.. "..',.,..,."., 4...:"_' #7 page 81 Horow/ Okay folks, let's move on. Any other questions? Throg/ I would like to thank all of the people who came and stayed for their contribution. Horow/ Okay, there is a motion on the floor to continue this until December 6~ All those in favor signify by saying aye (ayes). ; ~~. f. ,t r'-'''''\ ~ ~~, ,: 'I , I ! !, I ill ~) I ~. ;~ . This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meatlng of November 22, 1994. F112294 .C ft..__ ::~.,.~ '~" , - 0 , - J"","",.,.,.,"',',.," "-",i:"" , ' , .,', , , . ,:r::" .:'/' " :: 0 ',:'. ,'-,' \,.. I. '..' ., , ..' i,,';~':.I;" ':::' ':~~,>;;,' fh , ,"\ I"', .... 11 D I ( , ~ 1 ",'i~" ., ,'C~O, . .szm'tnf I'i ,~~ t ~ \', . , .. ., ".. -- .> . ',',.' , '...,-, ,". - ",.~.'" ,','~" (.' ,-.'.' '..... #8 page 1 ITEM NO. 8 - CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 3, CITY FINANCES, TAXATION AND FEES, CHAPTER 4, SCHEDULE OF FEES, RATES, CHARGES, BONDS, FINES AND PENALTIES, SECTION 3-4-3 POTABLE USE AND SERVICE AND SECTION 3-4-4 WASTEWATER TREATMENT WORKS USER CHARGES (FIRST CONSIDERATION). Horow/ This is the ordinance so I would entertain a motion to defer the ordinance to December 6. Moved by Lehman, seconded by Throg. Discussion. Throg/ with the understanding that we divided into two separate ordinances. Horow/ Right, okay. Throg/ Do we have to do that officially. Baker/ We just directed staff to do it. Woito/ No, you should-You would have to get it on the floor and amend it and then defer it. Horow/ Okay. Woito/ If you are going to separate it, I think you should do it now. I (~ \ , Horow/ Then take back Lehman's and Throg's motion. We will read this again and we will then ask for an amendment. (Reads #8) Chair would entertain a motion to accept this. Ernie- Lehman/ So moved. Horow/ And you are seconding it (Throg). Now, discussion and now the chair would be entertained for an amendment.' -1 f0 Throg/ I would like to amend that we divide this ordinance into two separate ordinances. One having to do with water exclusively. The other having to do with wastewater and the small garbage fee. I i I I ! i I , I , : j i ;'t ! i ! l ~j pigott/ Second. Horow/ There is a motion on the floor. You made it. Who seconded it. (pigott). Discussion. All right. All those in favor signify by saying aye (ayes). Back to the main motion. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the lowe City council meeting of November 22, 1994. F112294' \ 0, " C', ", ( :\c~ ~ ~ ~.~"LI .r ji' O. .-:,::" ,.' , I,,", ,W ',. ~;w ',!~ ~, 10 , ( i, t~ ~",:,' ',./-, :."'\ V"~I ' 'I' R /~ ' aD, :\:~~ " , , ,',.,. . ,':t,', ., ,~I,/ "-,. .. .> . ~ "'... , ','.,.',"".".. #8 page 2 Pigott/ I move we defer the motion until December 6. Lehman/ Second. Kubby/ And that is with the understanding that there will-after some further discussion possibly be three other amendments. Of a number of other amendments made on December 6. Horow/ okay. All those in favor signify by saying aye (ayes). Karr / Madam Mayor, the last one. Bruno moved and I think Ernie seconded it. " J ..-c\ ( Kubby/ So' this means it is on the floor. If we should decide because of the input from people that we want to back off even further than December 6 we always have that option on December 6 to do that. And I guess I would like to hear from more people than were here tonight about my question about risk. Do you want us to take the risk of slowing this down even more for public information flow and looking at further alternatives? To take a risk of a court ordered building of the plant and any kind of fines and what position that places us as responsible elected folks. I would like to hear from more people about that. Lehman/ I don't disagree except that I think that if we want to know the risk factor we are going to learn a lot more from our city staff and from the city attorney than we are from the public. Kubby/ I am not expecting the public to quantify and maybe that is a question to ask is what is the quantity of risk and the measurement of that risk. But I guess no matter what the size of it is I feel irresponsible not following the law. I need guidance from people that I work for to say should you commit civil disobedience or not. \ \ \ r,-fl , ' I' Throg/ I guess I would liJce to say that I am particularly interested in that question with regard to the wastewater treatment. That I personally, I really want to hear people say something about the sewage investment. Give us some sense of how they react to it and some sense as to how they feel about the risk. ~ I I I ! I I : ! , Ii I ~, [I' i I :( ~':J "J ~1~,' iil~ Horow/ Some sense is what disturbs me, Jim, because that to be is based-as we heard this evening a lot of misinformation. This represents on1v 8 reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994. F112294 {eM ~"~_ . -- -, lrr.~ ) ".", "'".'" .0 '" ,',' '\"". ,-' - ::,:'.'..:, . ,"' l.i(,<w' 17"., i,'IIi ~:\,i ',' It ! I I A \:I ....1'. \1 I }~' 0 ,,; ~. ' " ; "~ ,. ;~lY;~~,::.. i " ,," ,,"..,~:.. ,. .'.. ~,.'~'''-'~ ,',\. .' " --......; (:: l,l " !:~,)1 , " \' \ ; ~ ,~ r-,~';I ~. ~ (' . I II I I I 1 I ~) I" , It j ~ "'1:' ',', ',", ):' ~~'I,I" ( 'j f: c--' i 0 ' ' .~ ,l,~, ' __'_ _ _ __ _ _ . , '\",;' ' . ' :.":'~r\~'1 '; , ~ '.', .~ : .. , " ,~; , ',..-;. 1 ....., " . .1 ,.' '. ,~""::'.::::'.l<,;,,",,,~,'.~'/X<\','::):':", ,;:):.'\,~' L;\',~' il~ : #8 page 3' , pigott/ And that maybe is part of our- Horow/ This is very distressing. pigott/ Maybe part of our activity in the meantime is to publicize in a' more detailed way in terms of what we might know as to the risk. You know, it is going to cost us $10,000 a day. Horow/ But if someone is in a bellicose mood and they are feisty-I have problems with that. ' pigott/ (Can't hear). Kubby/ You have to choose as an individual council member what you think is the best course of action. Feedback is one part of that formula. I need to hear., other people it may not make any difference what the feedback is and it may not to me. I might get a thousand calls in the next two weeks saying no matter what the cost, don't do it. Horow/ December 6 ~hen. Right now it is set for a continuation of the p.h. 'and the first consideration. Great. Kubby/ So do we need to vote on that deferral yet. Woito/ You already did. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994. F112294 _IT &.~-~> ,~ 'J),..,"",." ','" ;',,',',,';..., '.. ',',:' '. "..,.', ,;::,;"".." ,.""'02 ,( , . ',' ' ',' ;', , ' . """ ; .' )'~~"'~I ':, , I " I ~, :1:\ ,jjB,'O'. :...,' ",I I" .;'l1f~~' .,'..;' !, , :~ i' " (~' \l '(. " i::~1':' :(' , ! . ! i . II . I , , , I . I i ~", I..' .. i I '~-<; ~".....-' ~ 'f ,J, ~'I',"":" -, " ", ~, \ i-::,',:, , ' L_~-':\ c ,'--"'r , 0 .~: --- " {l-, , .. ',~t ~ ~'t' "l,. " .> , .~. I , "''''or . ;~ ,) ,.",:.,~~,(~. ~.", " ~' "_',"'..,.....h.._"_,.,......~_n." Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting November 22, 1994 Page 16 ~ ITEM NO. g. ANNOUNCEMENT OF VACANCIES. a, Previously Announced Vacancies. (1) Housing Commission. One vacancy for an unexpired term ending May 1, 1996. (Robin Paetzold-Durumeric resigned,) This appoint- ment will be made at the December 6, 1994, meeting of the City Council. (2) Committee on Community Needs. One vacancy for an unexpired term ending April 1 , 1995 (Marc Libants has resigned). Inasmuch as his term ends April 1, 1995, the vacancy is being advertised as a full three-year term in addition to the brief unexpired term. This extended term ends April 2, 1998. This appointment will be made at the December 6, 1994, meeting of the City Council. ITEM NO. 10. CITY COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS. a. Consider an appointment to the Parks and Recreation Commission to fill a four-year term ending January 1, 1999. (This appointment replaces II~ the School Board's representative.) 1\'" 1 A";o", ~ ~Jv )IP;f/ft~ 1/&1 ,dul&l)-R/.stid- ITEM NO. 11. CITY COUNCIL INFORMATION. ~ kp../ ~i:0,) ITEM NO. 12. REPORT ON ITEMS FROM THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY. a. City Manager. ......C!- .., ..-.. ..-'~~ ' . ~- . "'~,, '0 j",",.,",.,'''''' ',,", '::,',,: :,'::"'.." , w-- r , '?1 " . ,. 'I' ',' . , ,'0' ,,', h, ;!i.~tr~: ' l ' .,'~ " ;,r' f,\ (. .~., ("'j \ , t'fl ( I i I :r I Ii , I , i I I I 1[:' I" I , " i',"I"" ~i;1 f ~. , -' ~'T , ' () '!. " , " ~.-. f . ... '. >~t:\'!: -,',:.',t ,... .~' ,.> , " "..,., . #10a page 1 ITEM NO. 10 - CITY COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS. a. Consider an appointment to the Parks and Recreation Commission to fill a four-year term e~ding January 1, 1999. (This appointment replaces the School Board's representative.) Horow/ Last evening council agreed on asking Judith Klink of 1101 Harlocke Street to take this position.' Chair would entertain a motion to approve that. ' Moved by Nov, seconded by Throg. Any discussion. Throg/ I had a cQnversation with someone today who pointed out how important it is to involve younger people on P/R Commission because there are so many participants in their programs who are young. So we might be looking that way in the future. Horow/ All those in favor signify by saying aye (ayes). This represents only a reasonablv occurote transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of Novembor 22, 1994. F112294 .--- '- ~, -:, . / . 0, ,.];:-i ... t" " ,,','" ';":-...:':;::1: "-' ;1''' o ,I ", ~(t, ~I\l' I "I ,',' , ',1(;., 0 ...~ ~) . / -,--,~.,- .. "I ,. J:.&.t:.,. ..,'. i, " " (i ,..!i.;.\ ; \, '\ \t ,,~J r,:~ ~ . I I , , , !f', ~l~~", ~ " ,1, \1"" ~(' r t: ,C," 0 I, . '. - ;::'i':,.' ", , . ,,,'. ,,:'1\\11' . '. '. - ',~ '" ','.. ,'~ , ,', . "'..,- ~ ~'.., " ..' ~.!i~:;, ,"7/6; l'~ #11 page 1 ITEM NO. 11 - CITY COUNCIL INFORMATION. Horow/ City council information. Baker/ Somebody called me today and I promised I would ask this question from West High School. They said they were having problems with the light out there and he had reports about this. That the left turn light. The right is doing green and red, green and red. But the left is not coming on. That is just the report. Atkins/ The light. Is there an arrow? I have not been out there. Horow/ I went through it on Wednesday and it was working fine. Kubby/ Let's double check. Baker/ It is just that somebody said they are having problems with it. And also somebody said it is a very short arrow. Atkins/ Short as in timing. I will take care of that. Horow/ I would just like to comment that I appreciate the efforts that Dr. steven Fox and Alan Roberts put forth in bringing the Kosai Town Cultural Delegation to Iowa City last week. This was truly enj oyable and those who took part in all of the events: Senior Center, city High School, Library, Art Museum, Clapp Recital Hall. Just had a wonderful time. I certainly did. This represents only a reasonably accurate trenscrlptlon of thalowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994. F112294 - ~" ,.,-~~ ---" ---~r ~I rl,',";:~""..' , ,~,'. ' " ", \ ''''','", ';'-..... ..,'",0 ' , , .~' , ... ... , I, ,f' I . ~ 10, --'.'-, . _', i ,l,~' _!, $mEi\:' ' " , ( " ;:1 ! , 1 I I i i i ! i I , ~ " 1,1' ." '" t, I". '(_,___0 , " , , ,-,::.'~t :,~'!,~ ' . '-'-''','' / .> '. .~' '\:'..'1, ~ '. '''''T'' , . ..,. ", .....,.'.'. .c;",~"",,,,,,,,~,,,,-,,'"o',,",,.'''':,,..,,,,,__...,,'.J''''' Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting November 22, 1994 Page 17 b. City Attorney. -8.-- ITEM NO. 13. RECOMMENDATIONS OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. a. CONSIDER A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PARKS AND RECRE- ATION COMMISSIONS. Comment: At their meeting of November 9, 1994, the Parks and Recreation Commission voted to approve a new set of bylaws as drafted 11/1/94, and forward them to the City Council for adoption. This matter should be referred to the Council Rules Committee for recommendation. Action: 77~dtJ / J1r ~ .fJ-~ &w;n.,' \.. I' aLtdpU ITEM NO. 14. CONSIDER RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO SIGN AND CITY CLERK TO ATTEST AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN STANLEY CONSULTANTS, INC. OF MUSCATINE, IOWA, AND THE CITY OF IOWA CITY TO PROVIDE CONSULTING SERVICES TO PERFORM VALUE ENGINEERING STUDIES ON THE IOWA CITY WATER FACILITIES IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. Comment: This value engineering study by Stanley Consultants will analyze the water facility design work completed by Howard R. Green Company in an attempt to reduce the overall cost of the project. The study will be restricted to facility design and construction. The work will be divided into two phases with the first phase conducted upon completion of the design outline and the second phase conducted at approximately sixty-five (65%) per cent of final design. The total cost of the value engineering study is $56,000. Public Works recommends approval of this agreement. Action: f1 Ad:I~ / !() ~AH'..dM/ ~I ~t?./ ~j MI111 ! 1/~ -dr' #V if I Jj _ _oJ if '~-%1 ~ f" . "'")',',':,,:',',:,:,,.,,'" ,.,":' '::,: ,I,',"." :::""" ' , ',':': 'T:'," .~. " I~ ",,' ~,~-~ ' It - IT - ,"'1",.',0 - -- ",',: ,',". t I I Q : 10: .",,,id ,- .;~ r , , \ ~ Ki" . ! , " I . ! I . I , ~: i !' t " , , Q\., ~ i'~ Y.: ,t<'.J; l' ~~I\ l.. C..........- '} -,-~- , ; , , ~~ :,\ I:, ~ ' . , . , -, ,.,;:,;.;,...,.""., .-,,:,..'.'...' #14 page 1 ITEM NO. 14 - CONSIDER RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO SIGN AND CITY CLERK TO ATTEST AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN STANLEY CONSULTANTS, INC. OF MUSCATINE, IOWA, AND THE CITY OF IOWA CITY TO PROVIDE CONSULTING SERVICES TO PERFORM VALUE ENGINEERING STUDIES ON THE IOWA CITY WATER FACILITIES IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. Horow/ Moved by Pigott, seconded by Lehman. Discussion. Kubby/ I have a problem voting for this and would rather defer this to December 6. Depending on what kind of feedback we get in between time, I can't support this and would prefer to defer it until the next meeting. Horow/ Is there any other discussion? Nov/ Do you think that we should not have someone review the design or what is the problem? Kubby / I think we should but I think that there is a process problem for me personally. That before I vote on the rate structure that implements the actual project I don't want to commit to spending more money to review that project. Since they can't do this anyway until we get the ball rolling for the rate structure if that is true. Horow/ I am not sure I understand your rationale. I really don't. Because this to me would be something that is ongoing and would indeed almost add to our knowledge. Kubby / But it is like saying we-Before we voted on the rate structures it is like saying we are going ahead with this project with no changes. There could be some changes if we are truly open to looking and listening to some of the feedback. This kind of locks- ' Nov/ I was thinking stanley Consultants could propose changes. Throg/ When is the study going to be finished though? That is the question. Lehman/ I think this is a great idea because we have already committed what, $2.5 million in design or whatever. It isn't a matter of whether or not we are going to build a facility. It is how can we build it most efficiently. I don't think this has any bearing on rates. It is doing it-None of us are engineers and we got hit tonight with all kinds of questions This represents only a reosonably accurate trenscrlptlon of the lowe City council meeting of November 22, 1994. F112294 --- 0,' )e, ,.' hr-;t{ ","f'-. I:"i~""; ~,\': i~ : ,~ l f 0: " ~ \,1 1 . Ii ;'i I/~) ~ O. ,~Jt~ [ .', c~ \ it I , ! I , I . I i i Ii I ! \ ~;;j )\~ ~ :/,([, "I, " , ' , , :\,' 'l.\~'r.: , . ~' .> , , ", #14 page 2 that none of us could answer because we do not have the expertise. This would make me much much more comfortable with Howard Green I s proposal to us because we have an engineer critiqueing an engineer. It has nothing to do with rates. It has to do with the most efficient possible plant. So I would favor it. Pigott/ One of the reasons, even if we are open to suggestions to Changing the facility, this still might be necessary after that process. So that is why I would support it. Not because I agree with you in terms of being open enough to change the designs if that were something that we found necessary. But at the same time after that I would still think it would be necessary to have an engineering consultant firm. Kubby/ While that may be technically correct, there is a headline tomorrow that says p. h. continued but council votes $56,000 to have a second engineer review the project. A very long headline. Not very powerful or punchy. I guess that is not my job to do but I think it creates- Baker/ It seems like we are doing exactly what the public wants us to do. Look for alternatives. This is what they are doing. Kubby/ No they are not. This is, to some degree, that is true. Baker/ To reduce the overall cost of the project. Kubby/ I agree but it is looking at-It is not changing what we are going to do. It is saying this is the method by which we are going to treat water and the kinds of wells and this is the lime softening we want and we have it all figured out. How can we do what we figured out better? Not what are better ways to treat our water. Those are two different questions and clarify is I am wrong, Steve. Doesn't this look at the proposal that we have and how can we do the treatment processes that we have decided upon? To use the most state of the art, the most efficient and cheapest technology to do that. Atkins/ It is a technical review. Kubby / But it doesn't create other al ternati ve ways of treating our water. It is how do we do the way we have already decided upon the cheapest possible way. Atkins/ It is not an expansion of your option list. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994. F112294 '~rr~ - .1 ;"""': ,',.. ",,:' . " ,,;, , 0, '. ,," ' ", ' , ';', .',' " . o " f" ~\',NI.' ')~~~ .~ II ~ Q ".. i o. ~~~il .. I, .> . ',) , ,., \~I,:, , , ~ '. . ";i:'~:' _, ,',"n'" #14 page 3 Kubby/ And that is the problem I have. Pigott/But and this doesn't change it if we do decide to expand the options. This doesn't tell us is what we are doing is sticking with this present program. All it does is say when we do form a program a design for a plant if it is changed from tonight's version of it that that too, whatever we come up with will be changed. Kubby/ And I could agree with that when we have gone through the process. It is a technical- Horow/ There is a motion on the floor. Okay. Throg/ I fully agree with Ernie that this is a terrific idea. I think it would really be a value to us with regard to the plant that we choose to build. But I completely agree with Karen that we shouldn't vote on this until we decide to go ahead with the rate increase. So I want to defer as well and I don't see-I mean, help me out. Tell me if there is some severe implication associated with this. But it seems to me just deferring two weeks is- [ Atkins/ To my knowledge there is not a severe implication. Pigott/ I don't have a problem with deferral if it is a big issue. Kubby/ I guess I would ask the motion maker and the seconder to remove those so that we could move to defer and see if that went. If it doesn't really make a difference I think it will-a perception problem. Woito/ A motion to defer supersedes the other one. Horow/ Moved by KUbby, seconded by Throg, to defer. Discussion. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Four ayes to December 6. Motion carried. Opposed: Baker, Nov, Horow. i~ Nov/ No, I voted to defer. Horow/ So it is 5-2. Throg/ To be clear, I don't think there is anybody at the table who opposes the idea of doing it. Nov/ Since we have deferred everything else, it doesn't do any harm by deferring it. ~ This reprasents only a reasonably accurate trensc,lptlon of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994. F112294 ~ ~, WI C"'~""'" . 0 '. -~--- - ~. ')'."c.,"":;"" ,'," A"" , Tf .'-,- ~M o ,.. . I .~ .;~' ~, ~,';'~,',' n'i:l "~ ~ r~1,', ~f ~ c , G .!' ~,i ~ III "' "i:;" ,~, . '.' ~ . . .\"'1 ,.' .> ., '. '-, \~';, I " ",1\\1; . .-., ".'1,,[,.. '.' , \':',,:t '........,..: l '" .~ (' ! " , (~\ \l " ~ y.,.... Tl ~ I , "\.'I,~':i I. ~ " 1:\ ii['l' I" .' -'"" ;f[- ~~ ~- '.... 1 #14 pa~e 4 Kubby/ When we do vote on this, if stan~ey doesn't find at least $56,000 in savings, we are going to spread that word all across the state. This represents only a reasonably eccurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994. F112294 , .. ' ~ - )""",.""".. ", ',."",<'::','" ,:.:,....,r)?'; 0, ..:, :~ ".' , mr. ..~. , ' I I I' I b l , ~~ '!i~ t~i~ ,,!i!,~,~,,'~,'I,' 0', '''I:Y'~ \"- ....,. " ~:i?d:'~~'~'. .. ) ", ,......, l" \ ,I C~\ \~ "! ,~ If' , ., , f.; : I I I Ii ! I , I : I , I , ~~ I ! I" J ~ I' ~{~ "!'. .r\ ~ fil:' ,. 'C~ I"~; ',', ',.t..- ' "}" , ,',\\10,', '.. , ,.' ',> , ,',: , 'I.'~ _ ,I . ~ '~..., ,- ,', '.. '.',...: "''',.. .., ..'.., .-'.,,, """"'~>'.~: -',;,~" . ..... , Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting November 22, 1994 Page 18 ITEM NO. 15. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION RATIFYING SETTLEMENT OF PENDING '1t~ 34-'1 LITIGATION. :L? Comment: On October 22, 1993, Debbie Olson filed an action in district court against the City as a result of injuries sustained in a fall on city-owned property on Madison Street. The City Attorney has negotiated settlement in consultation with the Finance Department. This resolution ratifies settlement of the litigation, as required by Chapter 21, Code of Iowa. The City Attorney recommends adoption. Action: 7(MUdJ 1/~U6f 7/~ %J ITEM NO. 16. CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING AND REGULATING THE LOCATION OF ENTRANCE DRIVES TO PRIVATE PROPERTY ALONG AND ADJACENT TO U.S. HIGHWAY NO.6 FROM THE WESTERLY CITY LIMITS TO ROCKY SHORE DRIVE IN IOWA CITY, JOHNSON COUNTY, IOWA. (FIRST CONSIDERATION) ..' Comment: This ordinance regulates the location of entrance drives along 1 U,S. Highway No. 6 between Rocky Shore Drive in Iowa City and First Avenue in Coralville in conjunction with the Highway No. 6 Fifth Lane Improvements Project, and as required by the Iowa Department of Transpor- tation. The City Attorney and the City Engineer recommend approval. Action: 77..tJ~/ ~ /~re //1; fkIuw?G ITEM NO. 17. CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 14, "UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE," OF THE CITY CODE, BY AMENDING CHAPTER 9, ARTICLE A. ENTITLED "PARKING FACILITY IMPACT FEE," TO INCLUDE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. (SECOND CONSIDERATION) Comment: These ordinance amendments would require new commercial developments in the Near Southside Neighborhood to pay a parking facility impact fee. Adoption of this ordinance should only occur after Council's adoption of the amendments to the Zoning Ordinance to require parking spaces for commercial uses in the Central Business Support Zone. Action: <V~/ &w ..b.f/ r:/;{v .In.d t!.-I/ I p d~ 5/q I(tdlt (dh1tMt/ .~, '1 ,')"':' ,0"" ,:'..." , ".",' "~ " - - - ,,:-:,-' " " " I' ,~ ,/ ""i ','" ,-,' III )ft~~tf ,L (... .t: (~'1 \ (,~ , , . ~ , i I I I I! , i , ~' i !\J, ; I 1,1 I ~~ I':' ')i;\ l' ~~. " ~l ~t,- ,C~"- ;- I "t' ' ... ' '~ \, \ I.', . .: '...". 1 " . , t,<, ;,,'.'.'.L'. #17 page 1 ITEM NO. 17 - CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 14, IIUNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, II OF THE CITY CODE, BY AMENDING CHAPTER 9, ARTICLE A, ENTITLED "PARKING FACILITY IMPACT FEE,II TO INCLUDE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. (SECOND CONSIDERATION) Horow/ Moved by pigott, seconded by Baker. Discussion. Nov/ I think we have to discuss this a little bit. Larry can't talk, I know. And this has been something that the council has discussed back and forth, back and forth and I would like people to think a little bit more about it before we get to third consideration for pass and adopt. The issues here are becoming very clouded, almost for cross purposes. We are saying that required parking in CB-5 is X amount, only 25% in allowed on site and that cannot take more that 50% of ground floor and then there is an impact fee. Maybe we should consider this as more of an option. Give people a little bit more flexibility on this and I am not proposing a specific flexibility but maybe we could somehow figure out a way that people could say I do want parking on site or I would rather spend the money and give you a fee for the parking facility. similar to what we are doing with Neighborhood Open Space. We are saying people who can give us (can't hear) dedication of land and so far we haven't been quite that open, quite that optional in our talk about parking. I would like us to think about that before we get to the third vote. Kubby/ Do you want to allow people to put all of their parking on site? Nov/ If all of their parking will take no more than 50% of that ground floor. Yes, I would. KUbby/ So if they wanted to dig down or go up that would be okay. Nov/ Because we are giving them a great deal on the impact fee. The cost of them putting in all of their own parking would be much higher than paying the impact fee. It is really a bargain. Kubby/ $2,000 a space is a steal. Nov/ That is what I am saying and I don't see why, after I have thought about it for umpteen weeks, it has to be quite as complicated as what we have produced so far. Baker/ But you are saying, Naomi, that you are still- we are also This represents only e reosonably eccurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994. F112294 If - ---,- ' - r_= ~ ,.),::' .. ,.' , 'I' '" ,f:.. ,l 0",1 Pf'1' ~',";~":,'.:.'" ~,~\\~ ' Ol 'Iff ~~' ~J l.. o ( I , ~ 10 JZc~fu:i! " ' \'"\ .~ . .t\\.!.:, .> , ,'~. ~ '-'1'"- . , . , -,",,;,;.-:' .:..",1,,_ , , ','" #17 page 2 adding a parking requirement for commercial. You would keep that and just amend the impact fee. Nov/ That is what I am thinking about. Kubby/ So Larry had requested that someone who voted against his proposed amendment about having hotels have options of providing their-paying the impact fee or having a parking agreement with the city instead of, in some cases, having both. If people wanted to resurrect that and reconsider it. llorow/ I would reconsider it but only for more than just hotels. It would have to be for- Nov/ I am really talking about everybody not just hotels. Baker/ You want to talk about all commercial development, parking impact fee, or parking contract. We haven't talked about that. Pigott/ Either they pay an impact fee or they do a contract with the city. Lehman/ The problem with a contract is that we do not have the capacity to give all commercial in that area permits in the ramp. Baker/ But assuming that we are building a parking ramp in that area. ,~ (" '':''\ \ ' \ \ i,~ : r , ~ Lehman/ Even when it is complete we would not have the capacity if that area develops. Nov/I wasn't talking about contracting. Baker/ (Can't hear) Look at possibly eliminating that requirement. My head is not that clear. Nov/ Larry, think about this. We haven't mentioned hotels. I am talking about just parking requirements, parking impact fees and not giving people a firm commitment on exactly how much they have to do here or there. Understand. It is really going beyond hotels and contract. Pigott/ Explain that a little more, Naomi. Nov/ If you have a structure that has a requirement of 50 parking spaces and if you have enough land that you could put 50 I ! 'I , , , , , i , ~: 'i ',) I. I : \ ~>ill 'lifI , This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council moetlng of November 22, 1994. F112294 ," j:'." "j\ (, ~ I ~, ' , , ' , ::,G~= l..,.....~ - _1 . _ ,'0 ),i .....tA:i ~ _:" ,.. " 'J! j' ! ' ~ I o 4 i ~O /'-. ., '>" " .~ " ,,,,-' ,(! C~'\ \ ~ (f'j ! ~ ' 1 I . , I ; I I J I I~:: I " II 1 ;~-.,l .J '~, prf .:/ ',,"",~($I ;~;,',:. II , i, , ~ r;; 11,",,1 ......, .C'; ,"'j :, ", .rlll' ""':', .. .> , ',o' , ,I' '.~ ,.. , #17 page 3 parking spaces on your own property, it can cost you $10,000 a parking space. And you may choose to look, I can buy 50 parking spaces by parking impact fee at $2,000 a space. And we are not going to say you must do it this way or you must do it that way. Give people some options. A hotel is not likely to build parking. We know that. Baker/ One thing I need clarified is those figures of $10,000- 12,000 per parking spot. Is if we build a ramp that is what it will cost us? Somebody that already owns their own land, it may not cost them that much to put in that parking space. I just don't know. We haven't talked about it. Nov/ They may have to go underground in order to spend that much money. I understand. Baker/ I would be glad to talk to you about it. Kubby/ Which means the December 6 meeting which is already so far a very heavy meeting. Baker/ We just have two items: water rates and south side. Nov/ This is also a meeting where we want to do a work session prior to the- Kubby/ Better bring in the espresso machine. Franklin/ If you make an amendment to the ordinance on the 6th, we will be bumping the consideration of the Near Southside Package. You will need to start over and give first reading at least if not-I don't know whether we will have to go to a p.h. again or not. Baker/ What is this major or minor amendment? Where is the trigger here? Pigott/ This would be a major amendment. Franklin/ I don't know but you would have to give the amended ordinance three considerations because you would be talking about a different ordinance than what you are talking about now. Woito/ No. This is less onerous. You are not going to have to start over. If you were being more onerous I would say- This represents only a reesonebly accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994. F112294 _n - =_ - r- _:: .,'",".." ,- ),.,,"" , ,:,'r"",', :;0:', , , " '0 I',,'. " . " '. t: i ,') " ,~" ~'''' C::;,J;if," ilii, \:1' >f" ~y ~ l 'I , 10,. ,\._u ,,', f' ;2;.;;m , - ' .' ;'j .> , :: ,'~~ t :,\ 't', .. ' " . '~' . , ,~,' , " '~ -, ,.. . , ".'" ..'.' ','- ..<<:,..0 ",'. .:.,.'" ,\ " #17 page 4 Franklin/ But they would have to give it three readings, correct. Yeah. Baker/ But we would have to set the p.h.s. (can't hear). Woito/ No (can't hear). Throg/ Naomi, did you think you might write up a very brief statement about what you are proposing so we can have- pigott/ Yeah, that would be helpful. Nov/ Yes, I could do that. Throg/ And we are also pretty tired. Nov/ Yeah, that is why I am saying let's not do it today. Horow/ All right, do you wish to vote. There is a motion on the floor for second consideration. Roll call-Okay, second consideration passes, Kubby and Lehman voting in the negative. I o j r \ \ ;6 ',. r ; , , , i I : i : I ~ ~ This represents only a reasonably accurate trenscrlptlon of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994. F112294 f:.'~ 1 ~.:, I:' i', ~" ' rc- ~'~~. - ~ -~=~,,- ,,'.,,_'-0)\ I: i' '/1:;, , ,0, ~ H1 -',""-;". /- '..' J~~ici\'." i. "':; ". ";.' .- " '"-i i . ;...... Li (:~~ I" (A I I i ~ i I I ~, " , ~~ ~'I'? ~\' t"),\ U .. .\""1'7-,', 0, ' " ,'" . :':' :':i;':~t~).'l:~' , ' , . ~"..-.:. . . '...'., ,,' I ,\', , , , , ". "" , ~, ~ . ., ,..~_~,;.,.~:,'~, ',~ ..:~;l;-'. "-;:;"'~\"":};;"~~'~I~"""";":"~':':~'~_~''':''''''-'''~:;';':':'';':~<~~~'~'::;:~:~j.;-~'l!;';~I;:.:.L.':;:';'.:i-'1'.., ..:.'~~-.!::';~;Ll..',:.~~';;,' ;';"""~~"':';_"~l:S'~'::':',~,~,:;,,,-,((,-,,, "':L.t'..:.:,J.:.:";','t:.'X.."" _-:...~..,,'"'~..~....,,: ' , ,.: Agenda Iowa City City Council Regular Council Meeting November 22, 1994 Page 19 ITEM NO. 18 - CONSIDERANORDlNANCEDESIGNATlNGANAREAOFTHECITYOFIOWA CITY, IOWA, AS AN URBAN REVITALIZATION AREA WHICH SHALL BE KNOWN AS THE NEAR SOUTHSIDE COMMERCIAL URBAN REVITALIZATION AREA. (SECOND CONSIDERATION) Comment: The proposed Urban Revitalization Area includes the area zoned Central Business Support Zone, generally located between Burlington and Court Streets and along Gilbert Street. Adoption of this ordinance designat- ing the proposed Urban Revitalization Area is required to implement the Near Southside Commercial Urban Revitalization Plan; therefore, final passage should occur only after the Council's adoption of the Plan, Action: llfd/'&.hf?,f)' .JlfI} ~ ITEM NO. 19 - CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE DESIGNATING AN AREA OF THE CITY OF IOWA CITY, IOWA, AS AN URBAN REVITALIZATION AREA WHICH SHALL BE KNOWN AS THE NEAR SOUTHSIDE RESIDENTIAL URBAN REVITALIZATION AREA. (SECOND CONSIDERATION) j,;tdc/ 1.1;; {U4 ~~ Comment: The proposed Urban Revitalization Area includes an area zoned Planned High Density Multi-Family Residential Zone and Central Business Service Zone, generally located south of Court Street along Linn, Dubuque, Clinton, Capitol and Prentiss Streets. Adoption of this ordinance designating the proposed Urban Revitalization Area is required to implement the Near Southside Residential Urban Revitalization Plan; therefore, final passage should occur only after the Council's adoption of the Plan. Action: 1/uoa// rtlvnuwJ l' J?td~~1 ~1/)1~ ~ ~ a.d.dd70Y1 ITEM NO.;t ADJOURNMENT. ~11~ru- IE;: I~ dfr -- :'_~> ;ie",' : " 0' ,,--' "".'. ,'., , 'I., ".,..~':'" . ,'",' .,." )"",",..".'.....,"".."" .-,. - ..""'....."",.,,\,, ',..,.. ...',".-,'.;: , ~"",.. "', ' , ,'" ~':" : ~ ,\ ,'. ,':. 0,,:: ,:;:,. :";",'~;.'''' ,':'/ ',.,' "i};/" . ,; ,- ~ 'Ito ' " r ,I' .. /s ,11]. .. ":_' ..' ",' h, , ;m-t\if' ' ..,~ " " .r J --, (1 \ \ ~ r r I I" : I I . , I' ) I : I I , ~,IJ " ;,."" -'I 'I" ,',; ~l' 'I" L", c~ " _____0 . f'i >'" " "~f\;l i , "1" , ~ ' '.~ " .. . ,', '. ':,''-' 1 '....,. . ,':::,:,,,:',';"~'>'~':>:"".'Y',: #18 page 1 ITEM NO. 18 - CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE DESIGNATING AN AREA OF THE CITY OF IOWA CITY, IOWA, AS AN URBAN REVITALIZATION AREA WHICH SHALL BE KNOWN AS THE NEAR SOUTHS IDE COMMERCIAL URBAN REVITALIZATION AREA. (SECOND CQNSIDERATION) Horow/ Moved by Pigott, seconded by Baker. Any discussion. pigott/ Yeah. I would just like to talk for a minute about some of the conversation we had last night concerning the resolution which is part of the larger package here and part of the reason that I am voting for this ordinance and have already is because we have agreed upon on working on an ordinance which would provide public space for public use and last night we talked about another resolution which we were to pass which would have signaled our intention to vacate Dubuque street and we decided last night, informally it seems to me, that we would not vote on that resolution and I just wanted to say that doesn't mean that we are not considering that option. That that has not disappeared. I read the headline of the Daily Iowan, today, that we have cancelled consideration of South Dubuque Street as a possibility for providing public space for public use. 'However, it also does not mean that we are not considering other options. I think that should be very clear because I think that, you know, that is a real key part of this plan and I think it is important that we investigate 'objectively all options including vacating Dubuque Street. So, with that in mind. Horow/ Okay, any other discussion. Roll'call- Second consideration passes with Kubby voting no. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 22, 1994. F112294 ~. ~ --~f I ~ , ~'""-:,:=~. '?-A.J)':: ..,.':."",. " ";,"";,..';:':',., ,:,-'. - ,..., " " ':':'1' ,I: " " ,) 01\ ~~' ,.' " "', r~g, f'. I ) o ,~ 10, .~1JI;tm' \, i .> . '~k, .\',. "', .. .. ~ ". ,.' , :~ . - ....-.-,' , ....'..,~'.,. .." ..,..'..,.'.'"", . .; , '. City of Iowa City MEMORANDUM To: Mayor, City Council and General Public From: City Clerk Date: November 21, 1994 Re: Additions to the Agenda Item Hall City High Little Hawks Football Team Recognition Day. November 20, 1994. Item #4c(5) Consider a motion approving a Class B Beer Permit for Mazzio' Pizza, 1950 L. Muscatine Ave. Item #4c(6) Consider a motion approving a Class C Beer Permit for Fareway Stores, Inc. 2530 Westwinds Drive. Item #4f(6) Memorandum from Traffic Engineer regarding: (a) Stop sign installation in Creekside Neighborhood - Addendum #1 (b) Stop sign installation in Near Northside Neighborhood. Addendum #1 (c) Stop sign installation in the Teg/Aber Neighborhood. Addendum #1 I Item #4f(7) Letter from Christina Randall regarding the Court Hill bus route. C' ,.-\ r'....'...\ \ \ \, ,'~ Item #4f(8) Letter from Kevin Hanick regarding new southside development. e CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITlE 9, ENTITLED 'TRAFFIC: CHAPTER 9, ENTITLED "DEFINITIONS, ADMINISTRATION AND " ENFORCEMENT OF TRAFFIC PROVISIONS," SECTION 6, ENTITLED, "APPLICATION OF PROVISIONS" OF THE CITY CODE BY ADDING A NEW PARAGRAPH APPLYING THE PROVISIONS OF THE TRAFFIC TITLE TO BICYCLISTS. (2nd consideration) r.~;..;.,' " r \ , I I \ , . I I I I " I . ! , I ' ,'" , I i'C , i [' I i I . \ ) \ ,"" ", P*/' " Comment: This amendment applies the traffic regulations to bicyclists, and requires individuals riding bicycles to follow the "rules of the road" applied to other vehicles. This action makes clear that bicyclist must follow the rules of the road, and tracks state law. /III # k1z11/lt1vj ,,(1t(1t1} )' t (/ I! ,'1?"ddv ft) CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 9, ENTITLED "TRAFFIC," CHAPTER 1, ENTITLED "DEFINITIONS," SECTION 7, ENTITLED "TOY VEHICLES," OF THE CITY CODE BY ADDING A NEW PARAGRAPH TO PROHIBIT TOY VEHICLES OR SIMILAR DEVICES UPON SIDEWALKS IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. (1 st consideration) :C7V'~= :VdI: -,-- )" , ' '0' · I' ,"" ".i"/" I li" ,~,} ,) Ii A '~ ,10, ,.,........; ~~{~, ., ,;',;'~ ' ," ' :/:-1':::':' ' '. '~' , "'"'-",,' ", '<',~~r~.~';,';: ',: . , . .~', :. .;';' ,','v. ,i, ': '>,..', n" ;,' 'I; , , .. .,~.,'-"""'~",.._......'....,,"'~ _._.~----_.."., ,"" ., , " '.- " " ,~I ,', ;;~~.' ."._', ,,','c',',...._., ",.-,,:.. ~....,. ..,';~.~...:.:__ ..:__ '-. :~~.',_v~,:~_... , """ l~ , " I ( ...'~ (--.-.0: \ , ~J t7~ '; f, I ' I I ~ I I I II I ~; I, \1 ~ l "~, ~~ "', \"" if' I; i( , ,(( _? ~- " - ,"',' ..:-', ..,' ':' , ' ,,: , ___ ~,~_:",-";" ....:-...~...:,~.'J.;."..:-;\di. ',,"' ~C:C::i..,','!t':': ,~...~,"'" '~'.'~""L:, :'/.,.:~'-> ", '..,', ,,_, Comment: This item was deferred from November 8,1994. This amendment prohibits the operation of toy vehicles such as roller skates, rollerblades, skateboards and coasters or other similar devices on sidewalks in any commercial district. This action corrects an inadvertent deletion during the recodification process. Pr'/!(~ ~~ , df~ , .'m.....-:- ~ - ---- )'''' I" , :':-.- ',':'; i, 0 "":," !:O'" :., ,',',,"," .,).'.',:,',: ,~, ." ... ..', :, .- , ~,,, A \9 .!' ,',., UI>S, , I[} .. ,.... . :,... I, JIr.;<~'I. Ii' , ' , ~, I", ' , I 'I I' I ' I , I ,t "I f) I I" , i I .' \ ) \., ,_.1/ ~:,"'''';.' . t , ."'" ;,..", '," '. ~':' .t, ~;l~' r' \~,~~ ,'" ,. ....-'\.- , {( " ~ ~', j ...~t:\'1 .. '. . . .> " , ", . " ~" , ' . . _ ...,.._'.'"'"'..,~,..,'"w'.,-",.,.. ,:,...~,~._.,.._...., ,.:.. ; '. ....~ ....'..'r,',.';'.' '.,.,:;>';,;-' " .,.,.,....,.----...,., :'.....,~ ',C j(. , .:...',,;, City of Iowa City MEMORANDUM ..' DATE: November 18, 1994 TO: 'city Council FROM: City Manager RE: Work Session Agenda and Meeting Schedule Monday Special City Council Meeting - Council Chambers Executive Session (Pending Litigation) 6:50 P.M. - City Council Work Session - Council Chambers 6:50 P.M. - Review zoning matters 7:50 P.M. - Near South Side 8:15 P.M. - Court Hill Transit Route 8:25 P.M. - Council agenda, Council time, Council committee reports 8:40 P.M. - Consider an appointment to the Parks and Recreation Commission November 21, 1994 6:30 P.M. - November 22, 1994 Tuesday 7:30 P.M. - Regular City Council Meeting - Council Chambers November 24, 1994 THANKSGIVING DAY - CITY OFFICES CLOSED Thursday November 25, 1994 CITY HOLIDAY - CITY OFFICES CLOSED Friday' December 5, 1994 6:30 P.M. - Monday City Council Work Session - Council Chambers Agenda pending December 6, 1994 7:30 P.M. - Tuesday Regular City Council Meeting - Council Chambers December 19, 1994 Monday 6:30 P.M. - City Council Work Session - Council Chambers December 20, 1994 Tuesday 7:30 P.M. - Regular City Council Meeting - Council Chambers , PENDIIlG LIST Appointments to the Housing Commission and Committee on Community Needs - December 6, 1994 o -=, - -- ~. ~,-~" ':::~"~~-),' " '1"'" ',i' ~ ,t, ..... , I fl~" ,jl !J'~ I~! 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