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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2006-12-11 Transcription December 11, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 1 December 11,2006 City Council Work Session 6:30 PM Council: Absent: USG: Staff: Bailey, Champion, Correia, Elliott, O'Donnell, Wilburn Vanderhoef Baeth Atkins, Dilkes, Fowler, Franklin, Helling, Karr, Knoche, Logsden TAPE: 06-87 Side I Wilburn: Bailey: Wilburn: Ready. Dee, Dee is sick tonight - she won't be here. Oh. But she'll be here tomorrow. Planninl! and Zoninl! Items Franklin: Wilburn: Elliott: Franklin: Elliott: Franklin: a) CONSIDER A MOTION SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR JANUARY 9 ON AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OVERlAYPLAN FOR THE PENINSULA NEIGHBORHOOD. (REZ05- 00025/SUB06-00020) Ok. Item a is a public hearing, setting a public hearing for January 9th on an ordinance amending the planned development for the Peninsula neighborhood. And we'll get into detail on that when it comes before you. This is anticipating that it would come out ofthe Planning and Zoning Commission on December 21st. If that doesn't happen, we'll just have you defer it. Ok. And details at the time. Ok. Yes. Because they're still changing. Yes. b) AMENDING THE ZONING CODE TO AllOW A MINOR MODIFICATION IN CASES WHERE THERE ARE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES MEETING THE STANDARDS FOR STRUCTURED PARKING FACiliTIES WHEN RETROFITTING SUCH FACILITIES WITHIN EXISTING BUilDINGS. Item b is a public hearing and fIrst consideration if you should so choose, on an ordinance amendment providing for minor modifIcations in circumstances in which there is a desire to have more than two garage openings on a street. It's one ofthose little things within This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of December II, 2006. December 11, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 2 Elliott: Franklin: Bailey: Franklin: Bailey: Franklin: Bailey: Franklin: Bailey: Franklin: Bailey: Franklin: Franklin: O'Donnell: Bailey: the code that as we worked with an existing building, realized that as it was in the code it was going to restrict this building from being adaptive1y reused, and this is a fraternity house on Dubuque Street. What this does is just allows the ability of the building official in conjunction with the Director of Planning to look at these on a case by case situation in which you've got an existing building or there's some topographic constraints to complying with the code as it was originally written. And that was the ATO House, that had to go in and - ok. Yep, yep. Mmm hmm. I have a question about that. Ok. Because it's so close to the comer, how's that? The driveway is on Brown, right? Mmm hmm. And it is right, is the drive pretty much on the comer? No. No, it's up a bit. Back farther? Ok. Yeah, yeah. We did look at that site distance question, Regenia, when we were evaluating that whole thing. Well I figured. That's why I wanted to ask. Yeah, it's back a bit. c) CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CERTAIN SPECIFIC PROVISIONS WITHIN TITLE 14, ZONING CODE, CHAPTER 2, BASE ZONES; CHAPTER 3 OVERLAY ZONES; CHAPTER 4, USE REGULATIONS; CHAPTER 5, SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS; CHAPTER 7, ADMINISTRATION; CHAPTER 8, REVIEW AND APPROVAL PROCEDURES; CHAPTER 9, DEFINITIONS. (PASS AND ADOPT) Item c then is pass and adopt on the 33 delightful amendments to the Zoning Ordinance. And that's it for me. Wow. Thank you. Thanks. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of December 11, 2006. December 11,2006 City Council Work Session Page 3 Council Appointments Wilburn: Council appointments. The first is Board of Adjustment, one vacancy. We have five applicants. Champion: I thought there were a lot of good ones, but I especially like Frank Gersh. Bailey: Yes. I do too. Frank is a really hard worker. Wilburn: The only thing I was thinking is we've got one opening, five applicants, and he has served on Historic Preservation, so I was just looking at trying to give an opportunity to someone who hadn't served the City in some capacity. Elliott: It's, it's unusual, the person who has been here just a year and a half but has, three and a half years at, in a corporate, quasi-legal situation in Chicago, who I think would have quite a bit to contribute to that quasi-legal commission. Caroline Sheerin. Correia: Since this July, wasn't it July '06? Bailey: Yeah. She's been here, yeah, less than a year. Elliott: Ok. Ijust wrote down a year and a half. I may be wrong on that. Because I remember there was someone here very soon. And that's a very short period of time to be here, but I really liked her. Correia: She did have good experiences. Right. I also liked Edgar Thornton the Third. Wilburn: I met him at, last weekend at Congressman Leach's farewell thing from the Chamber with Kirkwood. He has quite a bit of environment experience, at least from the governmental side. Anyway, there were two names that were brought up, Gersh and who was it you said? Sheerin? Caroline Sheerin? Elliott: Caroline Sheerin, Edgar Thornton you spoke of and then Frank Gersh. Those three. Wilburn: Gersh was brought up first. Are there four? I'lljust go down the list. O'Donnnell: I support Gersh. Champion: I'm for Gersh. Wilburn: That's three. Ah, Caroline Sheerin? That's two. Ed Thornton? That's two. Elliott: I would, I think that, since there's nothing, I'd be, I'd prefer going with Thornton as the other person. Wilburn: Ok. Thornton again. That's three. Correia: (Can't hear) This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription ofthe Iowa City City Council meeting of December 11, 2006. December 11, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 4 (laughter) Wilburn: O'Donnell: Champion: Karr: Correia: Bailey: Wilburn: Bailey: Champion: O'Donnell: Elliott: Dilkes: Elliott: Dilkes: Elliott: Wilburn: Elliott: Bailey: Wilburn: I know that, for what it's worth, just so that her input is here, Dee expressed a similar desire to give an opportunity to someone who hadn't served on a commission, so that would be not Gersh from Dee, but she's not present, so. However, we do reappoint people to commissions that have served all the time. I like the idea of this guy's willingness to serve, so I, I support Gersh. Does it have to be, is it just the majority of those who are here? Well we can make the appointment tomorrow night. It's 3 to 3. Tomorrow night, yeah. We can save it until tomorrow if you - I just have concern, with this particular commission. I understand getting other people involved, but it seems to require, I don't know, a deeper, a broader understanding of the community than perhaps another commission does. I don't know. A lot. It requires a lot. It's an important commission. Try Gersh again? Eleanor? Quick question. This, am I correct, this is a quasi-legal entity, is it not? It's a quasi-judicial board, which means they make judicial-type decisions. They can't have communications with people outside their forum. But they're given a pretty, urn, you know, good training about what they're supposed to do, and- You feel comfortable with one of your folks there that there's no need for a background or experience? I think the most important factor is someone who will listen to the advice and follow the rules. Because, yeah. I don't know who that is, but. Ok. Thank you. Should we just decide this one tomorrow night, then, or? That's fine with me. It seems pretty obvious the way it'll go, but yeah. Ok. All right. Let's see, what was the next one? This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription ofthe Iowa City City Council meeting of December 11,2006. December 11, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 5 Champion: Wilburn: Champion: Bailey: Wilburn: Elliott: Wilburn: Bailey: Elliott: Bailey: Champion: Elliott: Champion: Elliott: Bailey: Wilburn: Champion: Bailey: O'Donnell: Champion: Elliott: Human Rights is next, right? Human Rights. Two vacancies, two people. I thought they were both good. Sounds good. Sounds like a match. All right. So Sherry Hunter and Eric Berger will get the appointments for that. That was a toughie. Is there one more? Parks and Rec. Parks and Rec. I know that Craig has served two terms, but I spoke with him the other night at a concert and he's interested in continuing, because he wants to complete some of the projects they've started. Well, I don't normally support people for a third term either, but this team, this commission has so many things going on now that have been started, and I think the value of his experience on those is going to be really valuable, so I would support him serving a third term. I share your concerns but I share the decision you make in spite of that. Because I'm concerned that it's a third term, but I'm also concerned that, if he doesn't remain there, the commission will be a little less. Yeah. He's done a really excellent job. I think he'd be good. I'm in favor. Yeah. So Craig has one. There's two vacancies. I think both the other candidates, so I'm willing to concede to whoever has a - Either of the other candidates would be - Dave Bourgeois is a great guy. Ok. Got it. Sounds good. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of December 11, 2006. ._..~---~_.,-_._-~"_._-------_..._---~------_._-,_'_------_._~._----_._._--_._.,~--~-----,---~..._.__._- December II, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 6 Bailey: Wilburn: O'Donnell: Wilburn: Good. Ok. Craig Gustaveson and David Bourgeois? Bourgeois. Bourgeois. Ok. And was that it? Think that was it. Yes. Proposed Route Chanl!es Wilburn: Fowler: Bailey: Fowler: Bailey: Fowler: Bailey: Ok. Proposed route changes. You received the letter - come on up, please. Well, Ron, I came last year and I guess earlier this year, and talked about some new routes. And we wanted to try something innovative in a bus that didn't go downtown. We are finding that we think ridership would be better if downtown is the destination. This is the second time we've tried this. We did an East Side bus several years before and had similar results. And we've had feedback from people riding the bus, people that are riding other buses. And since this bus just goes to the, I'm not sure what entrance it is at the Hospital, but Hospital Ramp 2. If it continued on around to the North Hospital, the Nursing Building and downtown, it would serve more riders and we would like to make that change, to extend that bus downtown. To do that we need to make a couple changes on the East Side. One would be, there's one little residential loop that we would like to drop out. We've had calls from people in the neighborhood that they really don't want a bus in the neighborhood, there's only one person riding it and it'd be a block walk. But of more ofa major concern, there's a hill which they have said is very hard to get up in the winter, even in a four-wheel drive vehicle. And so we would stay on Court Street instead of going through a couple of the smaller new neighborhoods on the East Side. But then the other end of that East Side loop would then go to Chatham Oaks, and in addition to serving Chatham Oaks, it would give the people on the east side of town the same thing that we're giving to the people on the west side of town. Right now that bus turns around at the North Hospital. So then they would have a bus that went around by Hawkeye Carver, the west side of the Hospital before it went out to Chatham Oaks. So, those are the changes that we would like to make rather than let this run its course for a year and then come back and say it's not doing what we want, we would like to try and make changes throughout the year and change the routing to try and serve what we're hearing from the people that are riding the bus. We heard from some residents, I think on the East Side, on that Court Street route, but this wouldn't effect the older residents? No. Ok. We would still go right by their - Right. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of December 11, 2006. December 11, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 7 Fowler: Correia: Fowler: Correia: Champion: Elliott: Fowler: Elliott: Correia: Champion: Fowler: Wilburn: Fowler: Bailey: Wilburn: And the far east end of that route, where there's the newest development and a lot of multi-family out- Scott - is it out Scott? Out Scott, and a little bit to the north side out there - that's where we're getting the majority of the new riders, is the far extension of that route rather than the closer-in part that's closer to the existing bus routes. Got it. Ok. Is there any change in costs involved with this? Ah, the one thing we would like to do is, we have on our west side route, we have two part-time drivers driving that route right now, and it ended up being a little bit longer than we had anticipated. So we have two drivers that are out there driving seven-hour shifts. We would like to make one of them a full-time driver, drop the other one back to his 3/4 time, 6 hour, so that we're not asking them to work a seven hour shift on a 3/4 time status. The other is an observation. I've, I appreciate the fact that we tried something, and I've always said if you don't try a few things that fail, then you aren't trying enough, so I like the fact that we tried, we're looking things over, and doing what's best. You just need us - Ok. Thanks. Yeah, these changes would go into effect January 15th. January 15th is what you said. Yeah, January 15th. But our run picks start in a couple weeks. We wanted the drivers to have all the options when we started that. So it'll be about a month before we make the actual changes on the street. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you. Transfer of Hi!!hwav 1 ITEM 9. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO SIGN AND THE CITY CLERK TO ATTEST AN IOWA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AGREEMENT FOR TRANSFER OF PUBLIC ROAD JURISDICTION, T J-1- 5(84)--2M-52. (DEFERRED FROM 11/28) This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of December 11, 2006. December 11, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 8 Wilburn: Knoche: Champion: Bailey: Knoche: O'Donnell: Bailey: Knoche: Bailey: Champion: Knoche: Champion: Knoche: Correia: Knoche: Champion: Transfer of Highway 1. Agenda item 9. The resolution that's before you would transfer jurisdiction of Highway 1 from the intersection of Burlington and Dodge Street, along Burlington to Governor Street, and from, and then at that intersection north to Dodge Street, so it's about 1.3 miles of roadway. This is something that we've been working on with the DOT to try to get them to take this piece of roadway that's actually been designated Highway 1 for a number of years, and up until a few years ago, there wasn't much interest in the DOT taking this and in the last year they've had interest in taking it from us. So we've negotiated with them to try to work it out. What does that actually mean? Yep. What'll happen is, currently the City is responsible for the roadway: resurfacing, snow plowing, anything that goes along with any other City street that we have. With the transfer of jurisdiction, the DOT is required to maintain the road. The City is still responsible for the storm sewer system and the curb and gutter that's on it. Anything that brings it up from a rural cross-section to an urban cross-section. I don't know why we wouldn't support this. Yeab. Why wouldn't, what would be the downside? There's got to be a downside. There's always a downside to something. There really isn't a downside here. Really? It's not going to get plowed. We'll still, yeah - I spoke with the District Engineer - we would still plow the snow, and the DOT will reimburse us for plowing. Oh good! That's fine. Great! So it would, yeah How much? It's, whatever the rate is per mile. We currently plow snow on Dodge Street from the Hy- Vee into, you know, all through town, so it would just be part of our snowplow route at that point. I want to make sure I can get home. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of December 11,2006. December 11,2006 City Council Work Session Page 9 Bailey: Elliott: Knoche: Bailey: Elliott: Knoche: #4g(1) Wilburn: Elliott: Champion: Elliott: Wilburn: Champion: Correia: Wilburn: Correia: So if something with the road, if they wanted to change something with the road, it would still go through the City. If they wanted to widen it or anything like that, it would still be, is it completely their jurisdiction or their decision, or would it be ours? Exactly. We would - it would be similar to the Dodge Street project, where we work together and come up with a plan and then put the plan, work together, as far as that goes. So there really isn't a downside to this. Got it. Ok. Sounds good to me. Thank you. JCCOG Traffic Engineering Planner Correspondence Thank you. Agenda items. I will bring up, Dee had asked me to bring up, this was in the information packet, the results evaluating the traffic calming project on the 300 block of Fourth Avenue. Again, these are Dee's concerns, words. I'll just put them out there because I said I would, and Council can choose to comment. Or not. She felt I )that this was temporary and we were over budget on traffic calming this year. That the results were only a I to 2 mile decrease in traffic speed overall, and her concern that every neighborhood, or every street, is gonna want traffic calming on it. Makes her against continuing it. Ijust put it out there because she asked me to and comment if you choose, or not. I have shared, I really question having traffic calming devices on the streets and having them there at the discretion of the people who live on those streets. But I thought this was one where it was indicated that there was a rather serious problem. My concern about this is they said they sent letters to 15 households: 7 in favor, I no opinion, and then they said that was a 100% in favor. And I think if you have I no opinion, that doesn't mean it's 100% in favor. I don't quite get the reasoning behind that, if the person says I don't- It's like if you abstain at the City Council it's a yes vote. To me that's not a 100%, but that's beside the point. Ok. Well, I'm in favor of keeping them there. I think in this particular area of town, particular location that - Yeah. It feels safer. I don't know. It may be I to 2 miles per hour less, but it feels safer. It does feel safer, just living there. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription ofthe Iowa City City Council meeting of December 11,2006. December 11,2006 City Council Work Session Page 10 Champion: Bailey: Correia: Elliott: Bailey: Correia: Champion: Wilburn: #4e(1) Correia: Bailey: Correia: Bailey: Atkins: Bailey: Elliott: Wilburn: Atkins: Correia: Atkins: Bailey: Correia: That could be (can't hear) Well, and it doesn't put money back into the budget if we remove speed humps, so. We have to pay to remove them, right? Plus, 1 think sometimes it isn't the average speed of all the cars, it's the occasional car that is doing something reasonably dangerous. (can't hear) Yeah, yeah. Absolutely right. Yes. I think you're right. Other agenda items? CONSIDER A RESOLUTION SETTING PUBLIC HEARING FOR JANUARY 9, 2007, ON A PURCHASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF IOWA CITY AND FALEY PROPERTIES, L.L.C., FOR LOT 5 OF NORTH AIRPORT DEVELOPMENT SUBDIVISION. Ok. 4( e), can we start the purchase? Yeah. Which lot is 4e(I)? 4e(I). Sorry. Yeah. I have that one too. Lot 5, Aviation Commerce Park, it's the far lot, I don't really know what to tell you. The far lot - the far lot looking? 4e(1) - that's? Sell the block 5. It didn't come out right, Regenia. What do they want to do there? Beg your pardon? Ijust want to know which lot it is. LotS. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of December 11, 2006. December 11, 2006 City Council Work Session Page II Atkins: Bailey: Atkins: Elliott: Bailey: Atkins: Correia: Atkins: Dilkes: Atkins: Wilburn: O'Donnell: ITEM 10. Correia: Atkins: Correia: Atkins: Correia: The business is, 1 believe, lW!, and it's an auto parts, sounds to be like a wholesaler. They would build a freestanding building. As you enter from Riverside Drive it's the first of our developable lots. Got it. The circumstances are a little unusual in this lot because it's all in the flood plain and they have to pay to bring in fill to lift that property up 1 foot above. Other than that, it's pretty straightforward. That was my question. I was just wondering what was the commercial enterprise. And it's a business that fits into that current zoning. Ah, no, they have a, they'll have to have a zone change request. So would we do that before or after we would? It's contingent upon the zone change, so we'll have to get you all that information prior to the, for the hearing purposes. Well, the zone change will come after the approval of the purchase agreement. Yeah. Yeah. Any other questions on that item, or? Other agenda items? There's really not a whole lot going here. And after. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING, AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE AND THE CITY CLERK TO ATTEST AN AGREEMENT BY AND BETWEEN THE CITY OF IOWA CITY AND SHIVE HATTERY, INC. TO PROVIDE ENGINEERING CONSULTANT SERVICES FOR THE EAST SIDE RECYCLING CENTER PROJECT. I had a question about item 10, which is the agreement about the engineering consultant services? So this is a project contracting for eight weeks of work? That was, was that my understanding, sort of that's how long it would take? That's how long it would take to do the work? To do the work. That's what 1 understood, yeah, that sounds right. Ok. And so why is this something that we, that's not feasible to do in-house with our architect and engineering? This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription ofthe Iowa City City Council meeting of December 11, 2006. December II, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 12 Atkins: Elliott: Atkins: Elliott: Correia: Atkins: Correia: Knoche: Bailey: Knoche: Elliott: Knoche: Bailey: Elliott: Knoche: Elliott: Knoche: Press of other work, I, really beyond that, we did use this firm to do the original design and layout for us. It just seemed natural for them to do the rest of the bidding and specification process. Ron? I share that question. It seems to me that we have some well-experienced, well-paid professionals and that they could look at this and dtaw up some good plans for it. Oh, there's no doubt we can do the work, but it won't get done soon. This will have to be parked, because we've got any number of- And we could save $6300.00 - $63,000.00. Well, 64.1, actually, because they can. Is the LEED assessment $4,000.00 - does that seem? I mean, what is all involved in a LEED assessment? That I couldn't tell you. Ron, do you know? Microphone. Other than we incorporated LEED into the - No I understand, right, right, so I mean, that's what I mean - They would go through the plans and identify what items would make it qualify as a LEED project. Are they filling out the, the forms? Exactly. They'd be filling out the forms and working through what would be, you know, in the plans. When you do this, I am, I have an extensive lack of understanding of this, but my understanding is that there are levels, gold, silver, that sort of thing. All we ever hear is there's a LEED certification, and do you shoot for a certain level, or do you do it and see what you come up with, or how does that work? I'm not very familiar with the LEED process. That's a question that Kumi could answer. You get points for each aspect, as she indicated, and so different points will put you at the different levels. Right and I just wonder. Is that - are we designing something to hit a certain level on that scale, or do we get into it and see what's feasible, financially feasible? I'm not familiar enough with it, but that's the way I would approach it. Is you would, obviously, you want it LEED certified as far as have it be a Green building, but we also have to make sure that we're not paying the premium to get the same building. You're starting with the assumption this will be a minimum LEED certified, and we'll see where that takes us. Ok. I guess. Right. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription ofthe Iowa City City Council meeting of December 11,2006. December 11,2006 City Council Work Session Page 13 Bailey: Knoche: Bailey: Champion: (laughter) Bailey: Wilburn: Correia: Atkins: Correia: Wilburn: Correia: Bailey: Correia: Atkins: Champion: Atkins: Correia: Atkins: Wilburn: (laughter) And we're not necessarily certifying it, we're just, certification is second. Just a Green building. Correct. So we use the LEED standards and it might not certify. Because that costs too. We'd have a nice plaque. We can give them a plaque: we appreciate this Green building. Thanks, Ron. So these are funds that are already in the budget? Yes. This is landfill. It's all financed by landfill. Yes. Oh. Other agenda items? So, I'm sorry. If we do, if we do this, it has, when would we? It's 8 weeks of work, it's not - is it 8 weeks in a row, so we would have all this done? It's a consultant. Right. 8 consecutive weeks, or? The general idea is to have this plan finished in a reasonable time to let us put together phases and actually bid elements ofthe plan for this summer's upcoming construction season, so we're kind of anxious to get it going. We also felt kind of strongly about the LEED - whatever we called the presentation. We felt of all the things we're doing, our recycling center ought to be LEED. I agree - since it is the recycling center. Yeah, since it is recycling, we felt pretty strong about that. And then the whole recycling center will be, constructed or whatever, with landfill? Yes. Everything yes. Strictly with landfill fees, because it's available for use for anyone in the region. Now can I ask for any other agenda items? This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of December 11, 2006. December 11, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 14 Wilburn: Council Time Bailey: Wilburn: Bailey: Correia: Bailey: O'Donnell: Bailey: Wilburn: Correia: Karr: Correia: Wilburn: Correia: Wilburn: Bailey: Correia: Elliott: Any other agenda items? Council time? 1 put pink slips in your mailboxes about caroling at Ecumenical Towers. That's moved from 12/14, Thursday afternoon to 12/21 - same time. You're not firing us all, the pink slips. No, they're not pink slips to fire you all. And you can, you don't have to be able to carry a tune to come caroling. You can lip syoch, right? You can lip syoch, you can sing out of tune - I don't care. It's the holidays. MilliVanilli. MilliVanilli. Anyone else council time? I have a couple things. The, there was a memo about submitting items to Marian or Ross for that joint meeting- Oh, it's from me. From you. Ok. In January? And I wondered if it would make the meeting more productive if we actually discussed as a group what we would like to discuss with the joint meeting? One year ago we had that discussion. Ok. In an effort to try and make, put more substance to the meeting, the different bodies were encouraged.to do so. We got off to a start with the, was it the joint communication, was that there where some of that? Oh, I think we talked about housing early on in a joint meeting, which was a nice, so. Are there other things we would like to talk about at a joint meeting? As a matter of fact, Ross wasn't at that meeting where there were at least a couple people who seriously said this is almost a waste of time, and maybe we don't even need to do this. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of December 11, 2006. December 11, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 15 Champion: Elliott: Bailey: Wilburn: Correia: Champion: Bailey: Correia: Champion: Elliott: Correia: Bailey: O'Donnell: Champion: Elliott: Bailey: Correia: Elliott: Bailey: Correia: Bailey: Oh, I think it's important to do it, but I agree, it doesn't have much substance to it, so maybe we should just do it twice a year. Right. Or maybe we should do a networking event, but it would have to be an open meeting. Well, I attempted at the last meeting that we had to contact the host and the other bodies to say gee, it doesn't look as if there's enough substance here, should we cancel the meeting. And the school board felt strongly about meeting, so. So, some things that have come up, like at JCCOG recently, regarding transportation and wanting to have a, across jurisdictional lines, look at transportation and development and stuff. Is that? That would go to JCCOG, though. Yeah, because that's what we do at JCCOG, we do the arterial street plan. But I niean, everybody isn't, aren't at- Sure they are. Except for the schools. No, I don't mean the- The school is part of it. But they just don't attend. They don't show up. Because they can't vote. They're quasi-members. Oh, they're- They can't vote, but they are invited. And informed of the meetings. Are there other things that we as a body would like to bring to a joint meeting? Something we'd like to share in the local option tax? Well we can't do that. Even just informational, you know? Things we'd like to share about our Sand Lake? I mean I think it seems like an opportunity. We do the Vision Iowa application for Sand Lake, that would be an opportunity to get buy-in and talk about that project, I suppose. I'm trying to think of things that aren't necessarily JCCOG that are more joint, and it's hard to, hard to say. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription ofthe Iowa City City Council meeting of December 11,2006. December II, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 16 Wilburn: Atkins: Champion: Bailey: Champion: Atkins: Karr: Wilburn: Karr: Atkins: Bailey: Wilburn: Bailey: Elliott: Atkins: Dilkes: Atkins: Correia: Elliott: Steve, historically have there been items of substance that have come up in front of that body that have, that has not come in front of JCCOG? Oh boy. I can't think of anything. Because we don't really vote. It's an informational meeting. (can't hear) Yeah, longer than that Connie. Well, the school tax levy might be an example. I'm sorry, Marian? The school tax levy might be an example. That wouldn't come to JCCOG. That is probably the most high profile issue of all the years we've been doing it, is the school tax levy. I don't think there's any doubt about that. I know that the school board is doing presentations on the sales tax. Perhaps we could ask them to do that presentation at the joint meeting. I'm not sure. I'd be surprised if they weren't planning on doing that. But we could ask them. But that would be a nice opportunity, because they're having these meetings and I'm not, I don't know if all of us will be able to get to one of them. That would be something. It was at that, as I recall, in that joint meeting in this room where we first started discussing the possible local option sales tax and unfortunately it didn't go beyond there until it was too late to do much about it. It seems that JCCOG, because it's much more organized, it has supporting committees, bylaws, a very structured environment, whereas the joint meeting schools and the other cities, it always has been very loose. Again, now that I think about it, other than sales tax, I can't really think of anything really meeting. There's a lot of reporting. Alcohol and tobacco. That's - ok, yeah, that's a good one. That's right. That has been talked about. And firearms? That's my thought exactly. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of December II, 2006. December 11, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 17 Atkins: Wilburn: Atkins: Wilburn: Atkins: Wilburn: Correia: Karr: Champion: Wilburn: Karr: Elliott: Correia: Bailey: Correia: Wilburn: Correia: Champion: Bailey: Karr: Correia: No, we talked about alcohol a number of years ago because that's when Coralville pretty much said "You do what you want to do, but we're not interested in that." Right. 1 believe actually it was we'd be glad to look at any study or results that you come up with. What do you want me to do again? Never mind. You being a smart aleck? Why don't we ask for the school district presentation? You know, I think - Do you want a discussion on future meeting, or not? Yes. Sure. I mean, since you're all there. One thing that has come up is the size has grown and it has been known by those who coordinate it that it's grown so big that even the meeting rooms are becoming harder to find for the group of people too, so. I think again, if you don't find it fruitful or useful, than it is sort of. Yeah. Well, you know, one thing, when Karin did the presentation for us on inclusionary housing, you know, we thought it would be great (can't hear) That's true. We have the DVD and what not, but that didn't take that long of a, to go through her? So are you asking for that to be put on too? I'm wondering what you think? I think that's a good idea. I think that would be good. And what was this? Have Karin do her inclusionary housing presentation that she did for us a few months back. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of December 11, 2006. December 11, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 18 Elliott: Bailey: O'Donnell: Correia: Bailey: O'Donnell: Champion: Karr: Bailey: Karr: O'Donnell: Bailey: O'Donnell: Correia: Bailey: (laughter) Champion: Atkins: Correia: Wilburn: Elliott: Correia: It does seem a pity to work for ways to justify the meeting. Yes. Didn't we have them quarterly at one time, and then? Aren't they quarterly now? They're quarterly now. They're quarterly. What did we have them, every other month? Somebody wanted to reduce them, and I was fully in support of that. Yeah. That was discussed at the Coralville meeting I think, a couple times ago, and then it was brought up again that there's some timely issues that you might want to get together more often on. I don't mind getting together, but not for a meeting (can't hear) It started yearly and then it went to semi - twice a year. Well that's what it is. It's a networking meeting. It's to see who has the best snacks. I don't remember snacks. I guess there were snacks at the schoo\. Coralville always has the best snacks. Coralville always outdoes us. Milk and cookies. Marian, can you check with Karin to see if she's available that day, to see if she could do that? Ross, one thing for Council time, I think that Regenia set a precedent at our most recent meeting of cupcakes, and I notice that she has failed to follow up on that. That was because it was my birthday. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of December 11, 2006. December 11, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 19 Elliott: Correia: Bailey: Wilburn: O'Donnell: Elliott: O'Donnell: Correia: Elliott: O'Donnell: Karr: Bailey: Champion: Karr: O'Donnell: Champion: O'Donnell: Correia: Bailey: Correia: Baeth: Elliott: Correia: 1 don't care. She set the precedent, and has failed to follow through. And I don't think it was Regenia. I don't think it's - no. Anyone else have any substantive Council time? I have one quick one. Tuesday, January 16th. We've got a budget session scheduled from eight in the morning 'til five in the afternoon. I noticed that. How did that get by all of us? I thought it was from, I had held eight to two. I have eight 'til five. I have eight 'til five. That was, that was your CIP discussion and you said start at 8 o'clock, look at how much time you used the year before, and just plug it in. I'd rather use a day than meet multiple days. Me too, than using multiple days. And you had broken it up into a couple of sessions last time because you did run out of time going eight to two. So eight to five should be the same amount. I question how much, I question how much you retain after four hours, though. We're gonna give us lunch I don't care. It's still- eight hours is too long. Maybe a morning yoga session. 'Cause a half-day doesn't do me any good. I can't do anything else with a half-day. I have - oh, go ahead. Anybody see the proposed site of the boathouse? Anybody go by there? I was gonna go do that but I forget. Yeah. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of December 11, 2006. December 11, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 20 Bailey: O'Donnell: Baeth: Bailey: Champion: Baeth: O'Donnell: Correia: Baeth: Bailey: Elliott: O'Donnell: Correia: Champion: Correia: Wilburn: Correia: Karr: Correia: Yeah. I've driven by that a couple times. 1 did. I did. I drove by and noticed that, for those who are concerned with blocking the river view, I couldn't see the river at all from going south, which I think is of concern, is driving south. Into town. Coming into town. Right. Because of the elevation it's such that you can't see water anyway in that area. So Ijust wanted to bring that up. What you have to do though is park your car and climb up on the roof, and look over. Maybe if you were in a bus. Right. Well some people do that. The bus. Thanks, Austin. 'Cause I had a call just the other day, someone saying "Oh, it's gonna ruin the whole situation." I don't think so. Just point them to Austin. Well, I (can't hear) solve the parking problem over there. Austin said. Amy? Ijust wanted to do a short update from the Youth Advisory Commission. We just had two members, obviously, you know we appointed two members, but two members that are retiring, Elyse and Subha, so we presented them with certificates at their last meeting and we're still gonna hook them in, there still gonna be here in the spring, because they're both still seniors in high school, and have them help with the global village, because the Youth Advisory Commission is going to sponsor a global village tent.. And we picked Ghana for our country, so that's the country that we're going to have. So block off that day, you can stop by - I think it's June 4th? I think it's the 2nd First Saturday in June. The 2"d First Saturday in June we'll be hanging out there. And then the Commission is, in the meeting last week we were putting together, they were putting together the This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription ofthe Iowa City City Council meeting of December 11,2006. December 11, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 21 Atkins: Correia: Bailey: Atkins: Bailey: Atkins: Bailey: Correia: Atkins: Correia: Atkins: Correia: Atkins: Elliott: Bailey: Elliott: proposed budget that they'll present to us in January for $3700.00 (can't hear). We have a group, the website is just about ready to go online. They've been working with the web folks to have a website and we have the group from City High, student group Teens Against Alcohol and Drugs come and present at the last meeting to see what they're doing around a media campaign and alcohol-free social events. Something that they were interested in but wanting to make sure that they weren't gonna duplicate efforts and that sort of thing. So that was a really good exchanged and talked about ways to support what they're already doing, because MECCA has a big grant to do that. So we'll be supporting them through both the website and getting the word out and things like that about their activities. So it's going good. I'm also wondering when are we gonna get the budget? Does that come out before the end of the year? Oh yes. Before December 21 "? Are we getting it this week or next? 1 would have told you this Friday, until today. Today was not a good day. Things got a little wacky. So, next week? I can't imagine it much later than Monday or Tuesday of next week. Hopefully we're targeting Friday of this week. We need 3 days to get it printed, sent to the printer. Weare in the final finals, cleaning it up. I want to take it on my vacation. Yeah, that's what I do too - I want to take it with me. I said before - Before the 21" - that's when I leave. If we know where you are - You can send it to me, yeah. Ok. We'll get it to you. 8:00 tomorrow? Or is it 9:00? 9:00, 9:00. I hope you don't have to call me. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of December 11,2006. December 11, 2006 City Council Work Session Page 22 Champion: I hope not either. Bailey: We're not doing it tomorrow, calling you. Champion: It's 9:00, though. We don't have to be there at 8:00. Bailey: Yeah. You can sleep in. Atkins: Are any staff people supposed to be somewhere at 9:00 tomorrow? Bailey: Economic Development. Atkins: Oh good. Wilburn: All right. See you tomorrow night. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of December II, 2006.