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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2007-07-09 Transcription July 9, 2007 City Council Work Session Page 1 July 9, 2007 City Council Work Session 6:30 PM Council: Bailey, Champion, Correia, Elliott, O'Donnell, Vanderhoef, Wilburn UISG: Volland Staff: Atkins, Craig, Davidson, Dilkes, Goodman, Helling, Karr, Severson, Trueblood, Yapp TAPES: 07-51, Both Sides; 07-52, Side 1 Wilburn: Do we need to add the other agenda item first? Karr: Right. Wilburn: Ok. Karr: They need to post that. There's an agenda, an item we're going to add to the consent calendar under setting a public hearing, item 2d(2). We'll be setting a public hearing for your next meeting, July 24th. Just under the intent to enter into an agreement to lease property along the Iowa River for construction of the boathouse and dock. We're going to be adding setting of the public hearing tomorrow. Wilburn: Ok. Everybody ok with that? Champion: Yep. A2enda Items Wilburn: All right. Out of courtesy or sympathy, one of those two, I thought we would go ahead and let Terry Trueblood go first with his item. If anybody has any questions? Elliott: Could I go home early if I had my arm in a sling? Wilburn: Maybe. Vanderhoef: Rotator cuff time maybe. Wilburn: You just looked uncomfortable, so; I didn't know if that was related to us or. Bailey: You knew it was. You know it is. Correia: It's probably not really hurt. He's just doing this to try and go early. Trueblood: I've been wearing this to various meetings over the last 6 months and it's worked every time. (laughter) Bailey: Do you rent it out? This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 Trueblood: Correia: Goodman: Trueblood: Goodman: Trueblood: (laughter) Trueblood: Elliott: ITEM 10. Trueblood: Wilburn: Correia: City Council Work Session Page 2 I do. It's expensive, though. Ok. Figured. Do you need a page-turner? What? A page-turner. I need a - I thought you said a pacemaker. Maybe. Sure. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO SIGN AND THE CITY CLERK TO ATTEST AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN GREENPLAY, LLC OF BROOMFIELD, COLORADO AND THE CITY OF IOWA CITY FOR CONSULTING SERVICES TO COMPLETE A COMPREHENSIVE PARKS, RECREATION AND TRAILS MASTER PLAN. Well, I didn't really come to make a presentation tonight. I came mainly because this is an agenda item for tomorrow night, to see if you had any questions that I could answer. I did want you to know that we went through quite a process to end up where we are with this particular firm that was selected. A longer process from what I'm told than most people use, because we went through an RFQ process, a request for qualifications. And then from that we selected four firms to submit RFPs, request for proposal, and then interviewed all four of those firms. There were 8 members on the committee: 3 Parks and Recreation staff, I Planning staff, and 4 Parks and Recreation Commission members. So we think we went through a pretty good process, a pretty thorough process. It still wasn't easy though. The only thing the committee was unanimous on was who was 4th out of 4, and the rest of them we had quite a dialogue about it. But I can honestly say that we would have been happy with anyone of the 3 selected. We did, you may have noticed, we decided to break out the survey component into a separate contract, and that was simply, well, that was at their request. It made it a little more convenient for them, and as an incentive they said we'll throw in the national benchmark in for free, which otherwise would have been a $1500.00 item. It made no difference to us. All four ofthe firms that we interviewed, by the way, would have, would have used this same subcontractor for the survey component. They're a very well known national firm out of the Kansas City area and they work with a lot of consultants in Parks and Recreation and otherwise, so. But at any rate, I'd be happy to try to answer any questions you might have. Amy, you have one? Yeah, well I, it looks really like a great scope of work. I really, I'm impressed with all of the public input that's going to be part of this. One of the things I was wondering about was being, if this makes sense to add this, being intentional about using the Youth This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 City Council Work Session Page 3 Advisory Commission as a way of getting, having them being involved and getting youth input as part ofthe master plan. I don't know how. Trueblood: Yeah. We hadn't discussed that specifically but we had discussed, and actually, I believe it was all of the consultants or 3 out of the 4 anyway mentioned that they like to do a thing with youth. Correia: Right. Trueblood: They like to get the opinions of youth as well as other groups and the general public and so forth so there will be, but the Youth Advisory Commission could certainly be - Correia: Yeah, and I think it would be really nice for the Youth Advisory Commission and - Bailey: Good idea. Correia: Have it be tied into the consultants using them to go out and get the youth, or part of the youth input. Trueblood: We could have representation from that group on what they refer to as the advisory committee. Correia: That would be great, yep. Ok. Wilburn: Any other questions? Bailey: No. I think it looks great. Ready to go. Vanderhoef: Could I ask a question not about this issue but one that's on the agenda? Correia: I have a- Trueblood: Oh man, my shoulder's hurting. Wilburn: That's Parks and Rec. related? Correia: I'm not done with this then. Wilburn: Ok. Go ahead. Correia: I didn't - was this, were we gonna? As part ofthis master plan we were gonna do that whole trail linkages priority? Was that? I couldn't quite see that in here. I'm just wondering if that will be? Trueblood: That will all be part of it. Correia: That will be part of it. So we'll, at the end we'll have our, where we need to prioritize which. Ok. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 City Council Work Session Page 4 Trueblood: There's one component of their plan. I don't know, I wouldn't have expected you to have gone through this whole thing, but there's something that refers to one of their, one of their goals. One of their objectives is to identify gaps not just in trails but gaps in facilities, services, so on. Bailey: Oh yeah, saw that. Right, right. Trueblood: Thought that was kind of appropriate since we're talking about trail gaps. Correia: No gaps, right. Great. Ok. Looks good. Wilburn: Go ahead Dee. Vanderhoef: Ok. This is sort ofa subset ofP and Z item d, cd. Wilburn: I'm sorry, hold on. The only P and Z item that we can discuss tonight is item b because of the. Dilkes: Well I think we, we must be under agenda items, because we didn't call this item out separately, so I'm assuming we're on agenda items. Wilburn: Right. Right. That - ok then? Dilkes: Yeah. Wilburn: Ok. All right. Vanderhoef: What - Elliott: Which, which one? Bailey: Where are you? Correia: The zoning one. Vanderhoef: The rezoning and the open space acceptance, and I went out and looked. Dilkes: Yeah, but the rezoning we talk about tomorrow. Wilburn: Yeah. That's what I, that's what I was thinking, so. Vanderhoef: Ok. I can't talk about the park requirement. Dilkes: Oh, I didn't know that was- Correia: Would you like Terry to be here tomorrow to ask him that? Wilburn: Or maybe you can just contact Terry tomorrow and then include it as part of - Bailey: Disclose the discussion. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 City Council Work Session Page 5 Wilburn: Yeah, disclose it as an ex parte communication. Vanderhoef: Ok. Wilburn: Does that make sense? Vanderhoef: Oh, you get to talk to me now. Bailey: I do have another Parks and Rec. question, though. It relates to the boathouse. I know we're setting a public hearing. It looks like tomorrow. When will we get further information regarding the boathouse? At the next meeting? Trueblood: Well, their plan is to be at the July 23rd work session. Bailey: Ok, that's - Dilkes: Work session, to present you with the design and then the lease and the memorandum of understanding will be on the - Bailey: Ok. Thanks. That was easy, right? Wilburn: Terry, you better get while the getting's good. Bailey: Yeah. Wilburn: Correia: Davidson: Wilburn: Davidson: b) VACATING A PORTION OF COURT STREET RIGHT-OF-WAY BETWEEN CLINTON STREET AND CAPITOL STREET. (VAC07- 00003) Ok. Planning and Zoning item b. Special congratulations, Jeff. Well done. Thank you. Welcome. Nice to be here. Well, item b is a vacation on Court Street between Clinton Street and Capitol Street. This is what the property used to look like before a tornado hit it and took out that building right there. That's the old brick building that used to be there. Both of these buildings have been removed and this is what the property looks like currently. It's being excavated for a CB-5 building that AUR is putting up. And in the course of working through this project it was determined that the right-of-way line along Court Street which you see here was irregular, and so what this item does, it works out very nicely, and basically a l50 foot swap of two very narrow strips between the City and the applicant here which will then provide a regular right-of-way along here as well. There was a memorandum in the information you received indicating that it needed to be worked out in terms of a utility easement and that, if you look in the ordinance, that has been worked out, and the ordinance takes care of that. So, any questions about this? This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 City Council Work Session Page 6 Correia: Could you show the picture and where the? Bailey: Show the swap. Davidson: It's this, it's this area right along here. This narrow area right along here where the right- of-way is irregular and basically jogs; this will add a piece and subtract a piece and provide a nice, even right-of-way which is good for both when we work in the right-of- way and as well as the applicant's project, so it benefits both parties and is pretty much an equal swap. Vanderhoef: And we're getting more closer to the corner, correct? So if we ever needed it for a turn lane or something along there that will be helpful. Davidson: Mmm hmm. Yeah. I mean, always having, anywhere, anywhere there's an irregular right- of-way it's always a good idea to do this just because for future, you know. What we're doing right here will be forgotten in the future and it just, everybody expects the right-of- way to be, to be regular. Elliott: I didn't understand the item itself so I went down and looked at it. I called Rick because I've bugged you enough, Jeff, but I found out this has to do with the technical aspect of, it doesn't have to do with the street itself at all. Because my thought was hey, where's the jog? The street is straight. Correia: Yeah, you can't really see - Elliott: This is, this is within the right-of-way, not the curb. Davidson: This is actually, it's actually behind the curb. It's behind the curb where this is located, yeah. And we have gone through all of the factors that we go through with the right-of- way and everything checks out here. Correia: That was easy breezy first meeting. Bailey: Easy first night. (laughter) Wilburn: Now we're not due tomorrow. Bailey: Won't happen again. Correia: That's right. Davidson: Yes, tomorrow. ITEM 12. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION ADOPTING A COMPLETE STREETS POLICY FOR THE CITY OF IOWA CITY, IOWA AND REPEALING RESOLUTION NO. 07-109. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 City Council Work Session Page 7 Wilburn: Complete Streets Policy. Item 12. Yapp: Hello. I understand you talked about this several Council meetings ago based on the letter you received from the Thunderhead Alliance. Since you received that letter I've had a chance to do a little more research on why you received such a letter after you passed the Complete Streets Policy, which was a, which was a positive policy. The concern expressed by the Thunderhead Alliance, which is a coalition of bicycle groups from around the country, stems from more of a national concern with who makes these decisions in road projects. Who makes the decisions to not include a bicycle and pedestrian facility, and in some places around the country it has been people like an on- site project manager or a contractor who is simply cutting costs. So they decide no, we're not doing that sidewalk. Or it's a developer who says oh, the engineer said I don't need it so I'm not gonna put it in. So, those kinds of things have occurred across the country. The goal of this coalition of bicycle and pedestrian groups is that these types of decisions are made by groups like you, elected officials, whether you're councilors or supervisors or commissions, depending on the form of government, and just wanting to make that very clear in the policy. Incidentally, the DOT has been showing your policy around other communities in the state as a good, positive, simple, straightforward policy, so it is a very - around the state it's very proactive. In the Iowa City policy, if the bicycle and pedestrian facility increases the project cost by 20% or more, it is then the City Council, the elected officials, who would decide whether the cost of that facility is worth, or excuse me, whether the benefit of that facility is worth the financial cost. As you are the approvers of the budget, you have the budgetary authority like all capital projects. The language that we propose, which is in, it's in your formal agenda, item #3 in the ordinance, that 'is written just to indicate that the, the decision of when you discuss the project is made during the normal course of events for project approval, so that you don't have to have a special meeting every time to discuss these, so it's normal work sessions, normal budget discussions and project approval. Elliott: When in the course of human events has an interesting ring to it. Yapp: Yes. And so this amended resolution will make the policy more clear. I think it will strengthen Iowa City's reputation with these bicycle and pedestrian groups. And it should also strengthen things like the bicycle and pedestrian or bicycle friendly communities application, which we're finishing now. And should, and other similar recognition type kudos that Iowa City regularly receives. So I'd be glad to take any questions. Bailey: I think this is a great improvement. Thanks. Vanderhoef: This is great. Wilburn: Yeah, thank you. Elliott: I just have two observations, both of them somewhat negative. I'm in a negative mood tonight, I guess. Wilburn: You need a cookie? Elliott: Ah, no. I may need a sling before I get out of here though. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 City Council Work Session Page 8 Wilburn: Ok. Elliott: I've never liked the idea that all the people in Iowa City are charged with the financial support of the sidewalks in front of their property or on their property if the sidewalk is there. But those people who have never had a sidewalk have never had to keep it repaired, don't have to pay for it. And I presume there is a legal foundation for that, but it doesn't make much sense to me. Yapp: Yeah, it's a state, state code requirement. Elliott: Yeah. Yapp: I share your, coming from a different perspective, but I feel the same feeling. Elliott: Second is I like the bicyclists' concern for the paths, but I certainly would like to see some money from them, because these paths are usually put together financed by drivers' license fees, license plate fees, gasoline, and I think it's time that the bicyclists stepped up and provide some money. O'Donnell: How would they do that? Elliott: Pardon? O'Donnell: How would they do that? Elliott: Well I'd like to have licenses for bicycles. If we have a thousand bicyclists in Iowa City and everybody paid either $10 for a license or in lieu of a license fee, that's at least $10,000.00. That could help a little. Champion: Bicyclists used to have to be licensed. Elliott: Mmm hmm. Vanderhoef: Mmm hmm. Bailey: They did have licenses. O'Donnell: I thought they still were. Bailey: They just don't charge. O'Donnell: But they are, they are charged. Correia: The one thing, though- Bailey: I mean, you don't have to be - it's just the- Correia: Well, decrease in cars using the roads means we have less maintenance costs on the roads and the more people ride their bike the less we're spending on maintenance. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 City Council Work Session Page 9 Elliott: But - O'Donnell: However, we're not showing a decrease in the usage of road by cars. Elliott: No. Correia: Right, so then we're- Wilburn: Do we have any other comments related to the Complete Streets policy? Elliott: Do we have any other complaints? V anderhoef: You're not wrong, Bob. Certainly we have other projects that people donate money too. Champion: Maybe we need to have pedestrian licenses too. Bailey: I know. Correia: Everybody who walks. Bailey: Charge per toe. Champion: Charge per toe. Wilburn: Any other comments related to the Complete Streets policy? Champion: No, it sounds good. Wilburn: Ok. Thank you. Correia: Thank you for doing that. Elliott: Thanks John. Update on Joint Emer2encv Communication Center Wilburn: Update on Joint Emergency Communication Center. Bailey: Do you have any questions? I think it was pretty straightforward in the information packet. Jeff is here too; he can take questions as well. O'Donnell: I think it's great. It's in progress. Bailey: It's moving along. Elliott: Good. That's the important thing I think. Bailey: It's moving along well, actually. Champion: No, it is moving along well. Actually fast. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 Bailey: Champion: Bailey: Wilburn: Bailey: City Council Work Session Page 10 Oh really? Thank you. It doesn't feel very fast. No, I know it, but when you consider all the bodies involved, I think it's moving along really fast, Regenia. I think it's been going very well, wouldn't you say? Jeff said mmh hmm. Mmm hmm. Ok. Sorry. Extend the Dream Fundin2 Wilburn: Bailey: Wilburn: Bailey: Wilburn: Bailey: Severson: Bailey: Champion: Extend the Dream Funding. I'm not sure you can participate. No, I can not. I will not be participating, this is Mayor Wilburn, in the Extend the Dream Foundation. It involves money from the City related to- CDBG. Yeah, CDBG, Human Services Agency money. All right. Ok. Linda, did you just want to go through this? I was just gonna go over the memo briefly. The Extend the Dream Foundation is a group of people that work at Uptown Bill's Small Mall, located at 401 South Gilbert, which is the comer of Gilbert and Court Street. And they offer micro enterprise business, which means a person owns a business and then they utilize the space within Uptown Bill's Small Mall. They've had some challenges over the years in terms of finding resources to help pay with their rent. This year they came to Community Development and asked for $10,000.00. They didn't - they have a limited amount of money they have for public service and they chose not to fund it. The proposal was also presented to the Economic Development Sub-Committee of community development dollars, and they denied it because there was no new job development and when they look at programs they're either looking at a new program or growth in a program. So we pulled together the Aid to Agency Committee and they met on Thursday, June 28th to consider this request. The recommendation of the Committee was to carry over $5000.00 from FY'07 Aid to Agency Contingency Fund and we would fund the Extend the Dream in the amount of $5000.00. And so we were wondering what the Council felt about that. Connie, did you have any? Well, you know, it's something different than we've done, and we tried to assure them, I mean I hope we did, that this is not going to be a line item in our Aid to Agencies, and also this was a one-time grant. And that we thought they need to get some kind of fundraising in effect that they're doing themselves and not depending on somebody else This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 City Council Work Session Page 11 to do it. So hopefully this will spur them on to do something like that, but they don't have a really good fundraising program. So we don't want to see them- Vanderhoef: Do they charge anything when they do their sale? The outdoor? Bailey: The outdoor sale, Tom indicated doesn't make money. It's more viewed as a community service, sort of a community festival, festival for Labor Day, because I asked him about it. I sat and met with them about their fundraising plan and other such things. And actually talked with Jeff Edburg quite a lot about what they needed to put in place for a good fundraising plan and some other sort of business models. But they're not in a position at this point to actually bring in this much money, is our assessment. Elliott: Good. 1- Vanderhoef: I was just curious whether some outside people that come in that are accustomed to paying a table space or a booth space - Bailey: I think there's opportunity to make that into something bigger or more lucrative than it is. Ijust don't think that's their philosophy about that particular event. I mean, wouldn't you say? Elliott: I'm glad you talked with them, because the phrase that keeps coming back like a song, they have been coming to the City for money and I think they really need to develop and organize a productive fundraising program, because the City is going to be running into some financial hard times in the future, I think, and we're going to have to be cutting back. And they need, I think they badly need to put together a good fundraising plan. Bailey: I think there are those of us in the community who will (can't hear - tape drop out) Elliott: Good. Good. Correia: And I think, I think it's - they do good work. Elliott: Oh absolutely. Correia: They do really good work and I think - Vanderhoef: Nobody doubts that. Correia: No, I know, but I think it's a really nice addition, especially in the corridor where it is. Bailey: Interesting approach. I think it has, I think they could maximize some of their online approach. I mean, Goodwill is doing quite well with theirs, so I'm not exactly sure the difference. But nevertheless; I mean, we could sit here all night and talk about that. Are there people interested in moving this recommendation forward? O'Donnell: I think so. Correia: I just have, so - This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 City Council Work Session Page 12 Vanderhoef: I have one more question, too. Go ahead, Amy, and then I'll- Bailey: Ok, go ahead Amy. Correia: Well I just, do, we're carrying over funds from the contingency from '07. We have funds in the '08 contingency? Severson: Yes we do, about $6500.00. Last year the contingency fund was about $13,000.00, which was not utilized. My concern was if we went ahead with this with the $5000.00 it would really deplete the contingency fund and we're only (can't hear - drop out). Correia: Right. But I mean, we didn't use any ofthe $13,000.00 contingency from '07. Severson: Correct. In '07. Correia: We didn't use any of it. Could we carry it all over and so we have more contingency? Vanderhoef: Now that's not- Correia: I don't mean to give, I don't mean for Extend the Dream Foundation. I just mean if we're worried about the contingency for '08 if we didn't spend that $13,000.00. Vanderhoef: We don't, have not traditionally budgeted for that. We've carried forward, but then I think the policy says that the contingency will never be more than $10.000.00. So if we carry forward $5000.00 - Correia: Well, it was $13,000.00 last year. Vanderhoef: Well, I didn't realize it had gone up to that, but we did get some that was returned to us during the year and I think that's why we got up to 13. Correia: We had money returned. Bailey: So, Vanderhoef: But the $5000 - if you. We used to always have $10,000.00 in contingency. That was budgeted. And it was growing and that was not the intent of that. Bailey: But the question. Vanderhoef: So we started carrying it forward in the full $10,000.00 if we had it or the new budget made up the difference. So if you carried forward 7 then we added only 3 new. Correia: That's fine. I'm just wondering. Bailey: Yeah. Let's talk about the question at hand. If that's something that we want to talk about with budget I think that's perfectly appropriate. So, did you have a question? Vanderhoef: I had one other question. The building that they bought and they're using for both a living space and a training space for computer, how has that affected their total budget? This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 City Council Work Session Page 13 Champion: We talked about that at Economic Development. Bailey: It was hard to see because they don't have a combined panel for both of those projects. Vanderhoef: I guess maybe I would request some update on how one - Bailey: Tracy Hightshoe has done that. Champion: Mmm hmm. Tracy has it. Bailey: Part of the challenge with this particular property is that it changed hands and they at one point were not responsible for utilities and now they are. And that, that's accounted for the shortfall. Vanderhoef: Ok. That I didn't know. Thank you. Bailey: Are we interested in moving forward with this? O'Donnell: Sure. Vanderhoef: That's fine. Bailey: Is that the direction you needed, Linda? Severson: Mmm hmm. Thank you. Bailey: Thanks for getting this ready for tonight. Animal Shelter Policies Wilburn: Animal Shelter Policies. Atkins: Misha, before you start, why don't you give them a heads-up; you're now president of your professional association. Champion: Wow. Goodman: Say again? Atkins: Professional - oh. (laughter) Champion: Congratulations. Bailey: Congratulations. Elliott: Should we stand? This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 Goodman: Champion: Bailey: Correia: Goodman: O'Donnell: Goodman: O'Donnell: Goodman: City Council Work Session Page 14 You know I lost, recently, the presidency, to a draw of cards. It was an equal vote and they break it with a draw of cards. So I'm now the past president of the executive committee. Yeah, he drew an ace, I drew a four. That could be good. But I know that that's not good. It's low, right? No poker that week. So I think Mike had a question. Oh. My question was Misha that I had several calls regarding a dog that had been taken down and we said we wouldn't accept it. And the option is to turn the dog lose in the country or the streets or euthanize the dog at another establishment. I just really had a problem with that and I don't know if - I really don't know if saying that we cannot accept the dog should be an option. Let me explain a couple things. Please do. About that. This is a particular circumstance where a citizen had a dog that they needed to relinquish for reasons that were fairly unclear. It seemed that they were going out of town for awhile, not moving permanently but going out of town for awhile. This particular dog we had had in our facility a couple of weeks prior. It had been running loose in the city and the officers had to go out and obtain it. It was not the friendliest creature in the world. And he came into the facility later wanting to relinquish it to us. Now there are a number of different types of facilities. There are closed facilities that only take, they're usually private, and they only take the animals that they want to take. And then there are completely open-ended facilities, usually municipal shelters, that take everything, whether it be owned, stray, whatever. Our facility is considered a semi-open. We take owners animals when we have the ability to take them, and we also look at the feasibility of adoption with some of these animals. This particular animal probably never would have gone up for adoption because of its behavior. But, besides that, this particular gentleman was given lots of options that we give everyone who comes into us for assistance because they need to place their animal, for a variety of different reasons. Sometimes they're moving, sometimes there's - we had one come in the other day, the husband was diagnosed with an immune deficient disease and they couldn't have a pet in the home anymore. If we have the space and if I believe that animal is going to be an adoptable animal to a certain extent, then we will take that animal in. But the problem is is that in a circumstance like this, if we take the animal in, then we have to consider who we're gonna euthanize if we don't have the space to house it. And then we're making decisions based on space factor as opposed to is this an adoptable animal or not? Is it so sick that it can't be treated, and so we're euthanizing it. Is it so injured that it can't be treated? We try not to make those decisions based on space factors alone, or time periods. You know, most places don't use those time periods anymore, but we still get a lot of calls about how long do you hold the animals. We hold the animals in our facility as long as they are adoptable, friendly, behaviorally ok, emotionally ok, and This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 City Council Work Session Page 15 for some animals that may be for 5 days, it may be for 6 months. You never know, because each and every animal is an individual. But we hold them as long as we possibly can and as long as they're doing ok they're there. So it's, it's a difficult thing Mike, because that animal probably, it could have come through the door, and probably would have been euthanized soon thereafter, along with going through the stress of coming through the door. In some circumstances we recommend to some of these owners, which we didn't in this case by the way, that they consider euthanasia as an option. I had a call from somebody today who had an elderly cat, who they have had since it was a kitten, in their home. The cat is all four declawed, it is not friendly. It doesn't like strangers. Doesn't like other animals. This cat, coming into our facility, would be so inhumane to that animal, to put it through that kind of stress, that there's a certain degree that you have to, you have to say to the owner "you know, this animal has had a good life." If you can't, if you don't believe it's gonna make a transition to a new home easily, it's certainly not gonna make a transition in an animal shelter. Too stressful. So we try and help them make those decisions. We have a free advertising book on our counter that we allow people to use. We give them profiles to fill out relating to their animal, and we ask them to use that first as well as other options: newspaper ads, a variety of different things. Johnson County Humane Society can help people place animals in new homes. And we use those options first, particularly when we're full. But we also like to put a certain amount of responsibility on the owner when they have the option to - they have a little time, and they can assist in finding a new home for that animal. After all, they're the ones that know it the best, and so it's going to be easier to place that animal from that home than it is from the shelter in the first place. So you know, it's a decision that we made years back. Right now we have I think 25 owners' animals in the facility. Both dogs, cats, and rabbits, and that's listed on your sheet there. But the majority of the animals that we take in are strays because we're an animal center and we need to take them off the street first and give them space. And if we unfortunately were, we've run out of space. If you look at your, at the stats that I gave you, you'll see that we're well beyond our cage space in the facility. If you look at the cats as an example, we have 48 total cages. We have a III cats in the facility. We have 42 in foster care. Now we've just been limited by the State in terms of how much foster care we can actually maintain. Foster care, our individual homes which we approve as an authorized agency, licensed agency, we have to have oversight of every single one of those homes. We have to inspect them. We have to ensure that they're caring for those animals while they're in their care. And it's only a temporary situation, so all 42 of those cats have to come back into the facility. And by the way, most of them are due to come back now. And go up for adoption. And the space isn't there. So it's a balancing act that we're constantly dealing with and have been for about the past 5 years in terms of space. If, I know some of you have been down to the facility, particularly recently. You'll walk through the hallways, you'll walk in the front lobby, and there are now cat havens, which are larger cage units that can house a couple of cats. And those, we have 3 of them in the front lobby, we have 2 of them in the back hallway, we have 2 of them in the main cat room. It's because those are overflow cages. We don't have room, individual room, for these animals anymore. And the facility is- the population has outgrown the facility, essentially. Elliott: It appears you need to give some of the animals less time than. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 Goodman: O'Donnell: Goodman: O'Donnell: Goodman: O'Donnell: Goodman: O'Donnell: Goodman: O'Donnell: Goodman: Champion: Correia: Goodman: Correia: Goodman: City Council Work Session Page 16 Well that is a possibility, although it is not our philosophy to do that, generally. We, our philosophy is that if an animal is an adoptable animal it should be able to be adopted. And so that is what we, that is the policy that we maintain at the facility. There's a couple questions that I have. First, it seems to me like if this were a teacup poodle named Fifi that was adoptable it would be taken in. Not at that time it wouldn't have. It wouldn't have been taken in. No. Mmm mmm. There was not a cage available to put that dog in. The second point Misha is it costs money to go to another place to euthanize an animal. Mmm hmm. So what we would potentially be doing is putting in your determination a potentially mean, dangerous animal, on to the street should they elect to just let it go. Yeah. I think, you know, most people aren't going to do that Mike. I know there's a belief that people are just going to walk out the door and let the animal go - (can't hear) running around in the country. The fact is that most people who come to the facility aren't gonna do that. If they were gonna do that they'd do it and never come to us and ask for assistance. And again, we give them a lot of options. We are a resource for a lot of, you know, for rescues, we give them rescue information and they're everywhere across the country. Tamara Meister, who operates downtown as well as Coralville takes in owners' animals and adopts them out of her stores. She's kind of a shelter in and of herself. The fact is is that there are, there are way too many animals in the area and part of the problem is population. And we're trying to deal with that on the taskforce. Some of you may have been reading some of the minutes, and we hope to have new ordinances to cover some of this coming up soon. Well I think also Mike, I think Misha hit it on the head. There is some responsibility to the owner of an animal. I mean, it is your animal. You brought it into your home. You can't expect the City to. Right. The other - Because that person had the option to have their animal euthanized if they didn't think they could take care of it or it was, anybody else would take it. Apparently that was the option that they chose. And I don't know whether that actually occurred or not. The other thing is, we are not a facility who offers owner-request euthanasia. And the reason why we don't is because we don't have the staff to do it. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 Correia: O'Donnell: Goodman: O'Donnell: Elliott: Champion: O'Donnell: Elliott: Goodman: O'Donnell: Goodman: Elliott: City Council Work Session Page 17 And vets do that. I mean, a vet - No, I was asked a question and you've answered it. Yeah. I may not agree with it, but you've answered the question. I think that Connie I agree with you. The owners of these pets have responsibilities, but the fact is many of them, if we don't take them, they're going to turn them loose. Now is it better to put that animal down, or just have them run loose in town? I don't know; I never - well, I don't know. I don't know how many animals are let loose. I personally didn't know anybody would just let an animal loose. Many, many rural people complain about dogs running in packs. Oh yeah, you take a dog out in the country - Well I can tell you you get the same complaints. I mean, the County folks complain about the City folks dumping and vice versa, and I, you know, I think there are a lot of cats that are dumped everywhere and most of it is population bound. It doesn't have anything to do with wanting to get rid of a cat. It has to do with I have a litter and I can't find them homes. And so I'm going to go dump them on a farm where they, you know, they'll pick up rats and mice for them. You know, the cat population is overwhelming in this County, and we're trying to get Johnson County and Coralville and all the incorporated cities to deal with this issue too. Because Iowa City shouldn't be the sole individual picking up the pieces in this. Johnson County, there are many, many, many animals that come in from the County areas, and we have a tendency to hold them longer, even for reclaim by owners, because they don't look for their animals as quickly as people within Iowa City. If somebody looses a dog or a cat in Iowa City, generally it's within a few days that they come in to look. But in the County, they may wait up to ten days to look. Ok. That's all the questions I had. Ok. Thanks. Thank you. Farmers' Market Parkin2 Wilburn: Correia: Vanderhoef: Correia: Farmers' Market Parking. Well, I asked for this to be put on the agenda. Well? I know. I wonder, I was at the, I guess about 3 weeks ago I brought up during Council Time just wondering if there' s a way to utilize, be able to utilize the City lot on Saturday This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 Elliott: Atkins: Correia: Bailey: Atkins: Correia: Atkins: Bailey: Atkins: Bailey: Atkins: Bailey: City Council Work Session Page 18 morning. We know say that it's off limits Monday through Saturday, even though the City's not open on Saturday, and there's usually around 30 spots. I was here on this Saturday and counted how many open spots. I was down here a couple weeks ago and usually I either ride my bike to the Farmers' Market or I'm parking on this side of the parking lot. A couple. weeks ago I happened to be over on the other, right behind the Rec. Center. The parking lot was packed, people were parking along the creek, which says no parking unless you have a sticker, which means there's space for parking there. And every single car along that lot had a $10 ticket. And I just feel like we have two different, we have two different departments in this City. We have Parks and Rec. doing a great farmers' market bringing people down. And then we have the Parking Dept. who's penalizing everybody for coming down to the City to go to the Farmers' Market and I'm wondering if there's just a way we can work together within the City so that people can come to the Farmers' Market and not feel like they had to pay an entrance fee because they couldn't park in the City lot because it's not open for parking. Because there certainly weren't more than 30 cars along that strip, because it's not that long. I'd actually like to see a portion of the City lot reserved for Farmers' Market parking on Saturday morning and City employees told that if you're going to work, going to work on Saturday, there may not be that much room on Saturday morning, so plan on doing it Saturday afternoon. I just think we need to realize that we need to make some concessions to the Farmers' Market if we want it to grow. Now Steve, maybe that doesn't sound at all reasonable to you. Well it's just difficult to motivate an employee to work on Saturday and paying a $10 ticket on their car. I don't know that we have to hang any tickets on anybody's car. No. I think that's the point. No. Here's what I suggested to Chris O'Brien when we talked about it. It says Mondays through Saturday on the - Sign. East parking lot, yeah. And I've asked that he not enforce it on Saturdays. The difficulties that we have had is that we get car storage over the weekends and that's, that's been the difficulty out there. Now over in Parks and Recreation, I think it's just competition, because Saturday is some of our busier days in the Rec. Center as well as the Farmers' Market time, and I can see why that one is full. I'm not sure you would want to - Well, what would we forego if we had free parking over there? On Saturday morning? Over where? (can't hear) Oh I don't think- I mean, I talked to Joe and he said it's not that- This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 City Council Work Session Page 19 Atkins: I think if you had free parking it'd be full. Correia: Well it's full anyway. Atkins: No, all weekend. Vanderhoef: And stay full. Atkins: No, and stay full all weekend. Vanderhoef: That's the problem. Correia: No, no, no, no - during the Farmers' Market. Bailey: No, I mean, you can chalk tires. Atkins: So you do want enforcement. Bailey: If your objective is to avoid storage- Atkins: Yeah. Bailey: I think that there is, it's not just either or. There's some, there's some sort of in-between that we could chalk tires if storage is the issue. Correia: Yeah. I think, just 7 :30-11 :30, not free parking all day on Saturday. And I guess the thing about just not enforcing this lot, then the only people that are gonna park in there are people that happen to know we're not gonna enforce it. Bailey: Or who don't care. Correia: Or who don't care. Rather than having a sign that says Farmers' Market Parking on Saturday morning. Bailey: Right. Correia: You know, ifthere's a staff person, I'm sure they'll get a lot. Are they working 7:30 to II :30 in the morning on Saturday? Bailey: And good for them. Correia: It would, I think it would make, have a really good feeling about the City and for our Farmers' Market to have an event parking, here's an extra 30 spots. Atkins: You understand, I'm not expressing opposition to what you're proposing. It's sort of a conflict we have in the use of that parking lot. You know, that is the Recreational Activities at the Center, you will get car storage on the weekends. I don't think there's any doubt about that. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 City Council Work Session Page 20 Bailey: Well what if we had some short-term spaces for Farmers' Market indicated? I mean, along the creek? Correia: I guess, I guess if there's - Champion: I think we also have to worry about police car parking and policemen parking, so you can't convert the whole lot to Farmers' Market. Elliott: No. Champion: So I think you need some kind of a sign. Correia: I don't mean, I don't mean converting anything. Atkins: Yeah. Correia: I just mean putting a sign saying lot useable for 7:30 to II :30 on Saturday. Bailey: People are not at the Market more than half an hour if that. Correia: And then you take it back and - Atkins: I was gonna say, one of the thoughts that comes to mind is just actually having a sign made that says Farmers' Market Parking and just put it up Saturday morning and take it down. Correia: Exactly. That's what I was trying to say. Wasn't I saying that? Vanderhoef: That and - Elliott: Until noon Saturday. Bailey: Oh! I didn't do that. Sorry. Vanderhoef: And what about in the Rec. Center parking lot. Could we just put a hood on the meter that says - Atkins: Oh, that gets a lot of work. I think you - Correia: No, no, no - I think you just- Atkins: Quite frankly I just think we ought to encourage the lot out here to the east. Correia: Yeah. Atkins: The one that's not - say that's the Farmers' Market and leave the other- Bailey: Although it's really not the (can't hear) Atkins: The other is thought of as the Rec. Center lot anyway. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 City Council Work Session Page 21 Correia: What? Atkins: The other lot is kind of thought of as the Rec. Center lot and that's, but the one out here is not. Bailey: No. Elliott: You could put sawhorses up so they wouldn't go back to where the police and the fire, firefighters park. Atkins: Those are already signed. Those should be signed. Correia: Those are special signs. Elliott: Are those special signs? Correia: Yeah, yeah. Atkins: Ok. Elliott: We're thinking just that area in front here would be nice. Atkins: Something that encourages Farmers' Market parking, east parking lot. Correia: This back here, right. Champion: Ok, good. Atkins: Ok. I'll talk to Chris tomorrow. Elliott: Good. Vanderhoef: And a sign at the entrance of the Farmers' Market. Champion: Oh, people will find out pretty quickly. Vanderhoef: A notice. Atkins: Well, you know, Farmers' Market, we have another sort of a difficulty, is that a lot of our Farmers' Market patrons don't pay a bit of attention walking back and forth across the street. We've been kind of thinking about some kind of signing saying motorists, slow down, inattentive shoppers. But they just move back and forth. Bailey: Be closed on Saturday morning. Champion: Why don't we close this block from Gilbert to Van Buren? Correia: We talked about that. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 Volland: Bailey: Correia: Volland: Atkins: O'Donnell: Champion: Bailey: Champion: Bailey: Champion: Atkins: Bailey: Champion: Correia: Champion: Bailey: (laughter) Correia: Atkins: Elliott: Atkins: (laughter) Bailey: Atkins: City Council Work Session Page 22 Close the parking lot and use the street? No, close the street. Yeah. Open the parking lot. I think if we do some signing people will follow the instructions. People occasionally have to get in on the weekends. Close the street between Van Buren and - Gilbert. Gilbert. Beautiful. And we can fill the street with - Van Buren? You're gonna close Washington Street? Yes. Yeah. We talked about that last year. Just from - You heard this before. You just blocked it. We talked about it last year. I must have. Sorry - I didn't mean to block it out. Apparently I did. It's not much longer, Steve. No, I know- But we're going to bring this up every day. What Farmers' Market are you talking about? Let me, let me try the signing idea. I'll talk to Chris tomorrow and see what it does. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 City Council Work Session Page 23 Elliott: Ok. Correia: But maybe a sign that looks like buy fresh, buy local Farmers' Market parking. Not a sign that look like - Bailey: A parking sign? Correia: A parking sign. You know what I mean? Atkins: Spiff it up. Correia: Spiff it up. Atkins: Ok. Vanderhoef: A welcoming kind of - we want you here. Correia: Yeah. Bailey: A farmers' markety kind of sign. Correia: Yeah, exactly. Champion: But they'll certainly find that parking quickly. Atkins: Dale wants to know if it has to be green. Correia: Tomatoes. Atkins: Tomatoes. We'll make, we'll make a nice sign. Ok. A2enda Items Wilburn: The next is agenda items and we've got Susan Craig here if someone wants to ask a question, or Sue, did you want to come up? We can start with that one so we can- (cut off - end of tape) ITEM 16. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO SIGN AND CITY CLERK TO ATTEST A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THE STATE BOARD OF REGENTS FOR THE USE AND BENEFIT OF THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA FOR THE LEASE OF COMMERCIAL SPACE IN THE IOWA CITY PUBLIC LIBRARY BUILDING. Bailey: You know the item #, Susan? Craig: 16. Bailey: Thank you. Ask a librarian, you get a great answer all the time. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 Craig: Bailey: Champion: Elliott: Craig: (laughter) Elliott: Craig: Elliott: Craig: Elliott: Champion: Correia: Champion: O'Donnell: Elliott: Craig: Elliott: Craig: Elliott: Correia: Champion: City Council Work Session Page 24 I was quickly looking here at that. See, you're faster. Oh, right. I'm pleased that you are renting the place. Is there any more empty - Not half as pleased as I am. Are there anymore empty spaces? No. This is it? This is it. The second is, did you want the responsibility of renting that? It seemed to me, in your capacity, you shouldn't have to be the one that's bothered with whether the space is rented or not. It seems to me that the Library portion of that building is the Library, and the other portion should be someone else's worry. No, it's the Library. It's the Library's portion. It is the Library. Susan polices the parking areas outside. But it, it's not the Library. It's only in the building. Someone, some other person on City staff would have had to be assigned to do it and you know, it's done now. You don't mind. I hope it's done. And so, I hope we have tenants both in the basement and the ground floor that will be there for a good long while, so. Good, good. I guess the space that you're renting is growth area for the Library at some point. Correct? Right. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9,2007 City Council Work Session Page 25 Craig: It could be. Correia: Ok. Craig: But when the building was designed we purposefully did not permanently design that comer down there as Library, permanent Library space, because although the building is a block long on the 2nd floor, if you made it a block long on the 1st floor, people would demand to be able to exit down there on Dubuque Street, and that would create a real staffing issue for us because of security. We would have to have a desk down there, and we didn't want to go there. I mean, but our leases are, the one on the first floor I believe is 5 years, this one's 3 years. I mean we hope that they get renewed, but we did have people who were interested in buying that property in a condo kind of arrangement and we didn't go there because down the road it could be, it's owned by the City and it could come back for Library use or other City use 10 years, 20 years from now. Elliott: That's why I think the Library should be only that portion of the building that actually is the Library, and you shouldn't have to be responsible for what happens in the other part of that. Champion: Oh, make her responsible. She doesn't do enough. Correia: Does the money from the rent go into Library budget or into the general fund? Vanderhoef: No. General fund. Craig: It goes, the commercial space is a fund within the Library's budget, and right now, the rental income, some of it goes to maintenance of the space, and $50,000.00 a year goes to payback the bonds. Vanderhoef: Bonds. Correia: Right. Craig: If we get this space rented and once we get the improvements paid for, we will have more money than that. I don't know how much more, but maybe by FYIO, we'll actually have some extra money there. Bailey: Extra money? Champion: And then you'll have money for a desk and people can exit out of there. Correia: There is a fund within the Library's budget that this rental income goes into. Craig: Yes. It's called the commercial space fund. Correia: Ok. Wilburn: Any questions about the lease agreement? This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 City Council Work Session Page 26 Craig: Ijust want to thank very much the City Attorney's staff. It has been a lot of negotiations with - an institution, I have learned, is much more complex than the City. The University has, it's been interesting to watch some of that take place, but I'm glad that we're almost there and hopefully tomorrow night we'll end it. Elliott: Good. Craig: All right. Thank you. Bailey: Thanks for being here. Vanderhoef: Thank you. Wilburn: Other agenda items? ITEM 9. CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 10 OF THE CITY CODE, ENTITLED "USE OF PUBLIC WAYS AND PROPERTY," CHAPTER 3, ENTITLED, "COMMERCIAL USE OF SIDEWALKS," SECTION 3, ENTITLED" USE FOR SIDEWALK CAFES," TO ALLOW SIDEWALK CAFES TO ENCOMPASS RAISED PLANTERS IN CITY PLAZA UNDER LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES. (FIRST CONSIDERATION) Elliott: 9, item 9. Am I correct that the sidewalk cafe will extend to cover a portion ofthe sidewalk that is in front of adjoining businesses or entities? Dilkes: The planters that are being encompassed are in, not directly in front of, but in front of other businesses. Elliott: But this either indicates or insinuates, I forget how I read that, that it extends beyond the line of the building for which, and therefore does that owner/operator need to get permission from the adjoining buildings to use that? Why not? Bailey: It's ours. Dilkes: Because it's not their property. Wilburn: It's the City's. Bailey: It's ours. Dilkes: City property. Correia: It's not going to be in, it's not going to be in the way of- Elliott: Well, now that makes sense. One for you. Dilkes: Great. (laughter) Wilburn: I bet she's got 4 or 5 more. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 City Council Work Session Page 27 (laughter) Vanderhoef: Ya think? ITEM 13. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE INSTALLATION OF SPEED HUMPS ON KIMBALL ROAD BETWEEN N. GOVERNOR STREET AND WHITING AVENUE. O'Donnell: #13. Is anybody else uncomfortable? We have 27 residents that were surveyed for the speed humps. We had 14 responses, 13 people didn't answer, and of those 14- Elliott: Almost half of the people did not respond. O'Donnell: That's right. And we've got letters in the packet and telephone calls and I'd like to do this, I'd like to have more than 50% of the people respond. Dilkes: I need to say something before we continue. This is my street and I have been involved in this, and so obviously if you need legal advise it can't come from me. I don't think you will need legal advice. But tomorrow to make that perfectly clear I will sit with the audience on this item. Wilburn: Eleanor has a conflict of interest? Bailey: Wow. Wilburn: Welcome to my world. Vanderhoef: She has to live somewhere. Wilburn: Welcome to my world. Correia: I have a question about, usually when we get these memos about this we get the analysis of number of cars and percentile and that sort of thing. Davidson: Would you get a copy of - Vanderhoef: Earlier. Davidson: Yeah, you got it earlier when it went to the neighborhood. Vanderhoef: Mmm hmm. Davidson: I'm certain you were cc'd on those, Amy. Correia: Ok. Well could it be in this note? Can we have that information tomorrow? I don't recall. Davidson: Yeah, I'll see that we get that tomorrow. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 O'Donnell: Champion: O'Donnell: Champion: O'Donnell: Bailey: O'Donnell: Elliott: Champion: Elliott: Champion: Bailey: Champion: Elliott: Correia: Elliott: O'Donnell: Elliott: O'Donnell: Elliott: City Council Work Session Page 28 But does everybody feel comfortable with half the people responding and 72% ofthose half are in favor of it? Yes. I would like to have more. You're comfortable with that? I'm very comfortable with that. They had the choice to respond or not to respond. Well, unless they - You read the mailing or you don't. Unless they didn't get it, which happens sometimes. Or they're out of town. Well, you can say that. You have no idea what you're - This is another example of the philosophy that the street belongs, a portion of the street belongs to those citizens who live along that street and that is definitely not right. It belongs to the City. Nobody is questioning that. Yeah, but you're saying we can do to the street whatever those few citizens that live on that decide. These are just - These few citizens are gonna decide actually. These are not great big (can't hear) Ijust drove out there this afternoon. It's not a big deal. Now there is one intersection that could use a 3-way stop sign. Now it is not nearly as busy an intersection as Washington Park Road and Court Street, which has even less visibility, but this intersection I think has, what is it, Whiting and whatever road. Kimball. Kimball. Now that, that intersection I think has limited visibility each way and it could use a 3-way stop sign. It just would appear to the amateur. Well my only point was - But Ijust disagree with the idea that people who live, ifthose people who live on my street should determine what happens to my street. It isn't my street; it's the City's street. But that's a policy we have in place. And I don't like it. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 City Council Work Session Page 29 O'Donnell: Well. Vanderhoef: Well. O'Donnell: Then we can change it, but- (laughter) O'Donnell: But my problem was 50% of the people responded and I would like to have a bigger, I'd like to have a bigger response. Bailey: What are you gonna do? You'd drag them in? Correia: What would you be more comfortable with? O'Donnell: No. I'd like to send out another mailing or maybe - we need more than 50%. Vanderhoef: I'd like to have an update on how much is in the fund. I know we've been budgeting $50,000.00 per year and we used up more than that on that west side project with boulevards and all that stuff. And I keep looking at 28.1 miles per hour and I'm thinking that's not all that excessive in a 25 mile an hour zone. O'Donnell: I don't think that matters. Vanderhoef: It's on 13, but really. When I look at my total budget and how much we mayor may not be spending on these items, I'm not sure that I'm willing to do that. Correia: (can't hear) Davidson: Yeah, the traffic calming, we're two weeks into the new fiscal year, so you have everything that's budgeted in, and I don't think it's 50, I think it's $30,000.00. Vanderhoef: But how much did we go over last year? Champion: 30. Davidson: I think it's $30,000.00. We did go over, it was like $6000.00 last year, because of the Kennedy Parkway project, which installed 18 speed humps. And we also had a record year. Last year was the first year we've every gone over; usually we're significantly under. But we did go over last year and with your approval we basically found the money to fund the Kennedy Parkway. Elliott: And that was an extraordinary project. Davidson: An extraordinary year, yes. Vanderhoef: Ok. Davidson: But you have the full $30,000.00 there now. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9,2007 City Council Work Session Page 30 Vanderhoef: It is 30, not 50? Davidson: I believe it's 30. I'm not sure. Champion: Oh yes, it's not 50. Elliott: Mike, another, another example. November, November 29,2006, a survey on 4th Avenue. There were 7 survey postcards returned out of 15 that were sent. So that's fewer than half of the people even cared enough to respond. This is one more than half of the people responded, cared enough to respond. O'Donnell: But see I don't think that's good enough to do, to do it. Elliott: No, I don't either. Bailey: I think we need to change our policy about what it would take to get this going. O'Donnell: What is our policy? Davidson: The policy is there must be at least 60%, and that was amended by Council, it used to be 50%, it was amended to 60% of those responding. Vanderhoef: Of those responding. Rather than of those - Bailey: Of those polled. O'Donnell: So we could, we could have 6 people respond- Davidson: You could have 2 people respond, and if they both were in favor of it we would recommend approval. O'Donnell: See, and Ijust don't think that's right. I think you need a percentage of the total. Bailey: But I don't think we change the rules on this one. If you want to change the policy, that should be another discussion. But this is the way we do it, that's our policy. Vanderhoef: Yep. Champion: We could use that philosophy about every election or decision we make. I could say well, only 18% of the people voted in the City Council election, so I want to have another election. I mean, so I don't, you know. Correia: Well and all of the, I think that - O'Donnell: I've said that often. (laughter) This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 Correia: O'Donnell: Correia: Bailey: Correia: O'Donnell: Correia: Davidson: Correia: Bailey: Davidson: Elliott: Davidson: Correia: Champion: Correia: Elliott: Correia: City Council Work Session Page 31 Well everybody though got the letter about what the results were. So it's, I mean, sometimes people, they don't, they don't care. So if they don't care they don't send it back. Unless they're out of town, unless they didn't get it. But then they got it again. They got this and the letter from the City so they might respond. They got the letter, so they know about it and they could let us know. They got some, the people that we heard from, did they live on the effected street? Well you know, I've, I very well could get outvoted on this. I disagree with, you know, I think 60%, 70% of the effected street they live on should respond. And I don't care if we go door to door and do a survey, that may be more appropriate and find more people at home than sending a letter. Vb huh. The opinions of the letters that we got, were they people that lived on the street or around the street? The 4 letters that I saw were people in the adjacent neighborhood, but not of the effected street. The adjacent street, not on the street. So they didn't get to vote. And don't forget, you also amended the original policy to erect signs, so that people driving through the area that do not live on the street - I mean, it's worked perfectly for what you set up. I saw them today. Because people who drive through the area saw the signs, were notified of the potential project and provided you with comments. That's the way it's supposed to work. You know, I don't - the thing is, there's speed humps on Morningside so, you know, I drive to the, to the high school. Bob, I don't, I mean, yes, people drive through there. It's not speed bumps, it makes you go the speed limit. I mean, I don't really see what the big deal is. It's inconvenient if you want to speed, but. You don't have to break. You don't even have to break to go over them. No, you don't have to break at all; you just have to go the speed limit. Then why don't we put them on all the streets? And I, if people are, if people are being disrespectful of the speed limit- This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9,2007 City Council Work Session Page 32 Champion: Maybe we will before we're done. Bailey: Maybe we should. O'Donnell: Well it sounds like there's a majority of who wants to. We have no fight. Elliott: Yeah. I think this, this meets our policy. Our policy I don't like and I will vote against it. But it meets the policy. Davidson: And I would say, if there are a majority of you who would like to, this is your policy, 100%. You can make it whatever you want it to be. We would be happy to schedule it for subsequent discussion if you want to consider modifying it. Correia: I'm fine with the policy. Bailey: I'm good with the policy. Champion: I am too. Elliott: We buttered our bread and now we lie in it. Vanderhoef: I'll talk about the policy. O'Donnell: Oh, I would too. It just seems ridiculous. Elliott: I would too. O'Donnell: If you have 50 houses and 5 respond you can change. Absurd. Wilburn: That's 3 who would like to put it on a work session. We have several items left on our work session calendar. It's not my intention to have this supplant the other items that are on the work session, so I don't see this happening at the next work session. Elliott: I, I think that there's a majority who want to maintain the status quo, so I'm not sure, while I'd like to discuss it, I'm not sure that anything is going to change, so. O'Donnell: No, and I'm fine with that also. Vanderhoef: Mmm hmm. Wilburn: So we're not going to put it on a work session. Davidson: We're not going to talk about it? Wilburn: All right. Ok. Davidson: Maybe another day. Wilburn: Maybe it'll come up at election time. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 City Council Work Session Page 33 (laughter) (all talk - can't hear) Vanderhoef: Ok. I'd like to talk about #9. Bailey: I thought we just talked about 9. Wilburn: We did. Vanderhoef: Boxing? Elliott: No. Correia: Oh the boxing. That's not #9. #7. Elliott: No, no. That's not boxing. Vanderhoef: Oops. I wrote down the wrong one. Correia: That was the one I wanted to talk about. ITEM 7. CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 8, ENTITLED "POLICE REGULATIONS," CHAPTER 5, ENTITLED "MISCELLANEOUS OFFENSES," BY ADDING A NEW SECTION 9, ENTITLED "AMATEUR FIGHTING AND BOXING" TO PROHIBIT AMATEUR FIGHTING AND BOXING AT ESTABLISHMENTS THAT ARE LICENSED TO SERVE ALCOHOL. (SECOND CONSIDERATION Vanderhoef: Ok. I didn't understand it when the young woman was at the podium at our last meeting when she said we were outlawing every venue where she participates. I'm familiar with, with what the gentleman is writing about here on United States Boxing, and was involved with it, happened to be with swimming, when Congress said AAU had a monopoly on amateur sports. And I'm familiar with the swimming and how those rules and regs were written and what kind of supervision there is there. And I think the man has a point in that I would certainly be ok with amending the ordinance enough to allow US Boxing sanctioned. Champion: But they don't have their fights in any place that serves alcohol. That's part of their - Vanderhoef: Well she stood there and told us that they did. Dilkes: I think what he said in the letter Connie was that they don't allow service of alcohol, but I think it could be in an establishment that does at other times serve alcohol. That's how I read that. And just, Dee called me today and said she was interested in this and I did print off the USA Boxing Rules. They're long. I didn't make everyone a copy because I didn't want to kill that many trees. Bailey: Thank you. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9,2007 City Council Work Session Page 34 Correia: Yeah, thank you. Dilkes: But if you want one let me know. Vanderhoef: This is the only sport that is sanctioned by the International Olympic Committee, is boxing, so all of those other martial arts kinds of activities will not come under these same kinds of regulation until such time as they are recognized as Olympic competition. Champion: The other, well, it's been a couple days since I read that letter, but didn't it also say that people had to be pre-approved? Like you just couldn't go up there and decide you're gonna fight. Correia: Yeah, it seemed like- Vanderhoef: Right. Champion: It was, it had a lot of regulations. Correia: It seemed like what we were concerned about with the mixed martial arts is not at all the same as the USA Boxing. It sounds like that's a regulated sport, there are all sorts of rules, there's all theses things that the athletes - Vanderhoef: Insurance. Everything. Correia: Right, insurance, and all sorts of things which were what we didn't want to get into trying to regulate something that's not regulated by another body. Elliott: Well I've heard, I've heard a number of people, I've seen what they've written in the paper, I've heard what they've said, and my concern about this is not whether it's held or not. I don't want the City being responsible. We have the NCAA for college and university sport, we have IHSAA for high school sports, we have AAU for amateur sports, and I don't want the City in a position where we regulate this kind of activities. Now if the Olympic Committee wants to schedule some boxing matches here and they provide the regulations, I don't see any problem with that. Wilburn: I've been to all kinds of boxing, amateur events in the state of Illinois, which does regulate boxing. Elliott: Golden Gloves? Wilburn: Yeah. But in the community I'm from, they don't hold, they don't hold those type of events at local bars. They hold it at the local gym and so - Elliott: Yeah, yeah. Bailey: That's what- Wilburn: So those opportunities are there. Whether they choose to use them or not. Bailey: Well that's what I was trying to clarify. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 Elliott: Bailey: Wilburn: Bailey: Elliott: Correia: Dilkes: Correia: Dilkes: Wilburn: Dilkes: (laughter) City Council Work Session Page 35 Your point was well made: that if the market is there, if the interest is there, it'll happen. That's, that's my question. Are these typically held in bars that aren't serving alcohol, and that doesn't seem to make any sense. I can't say typically. I'm just saying my experience in my own hometown. Well it doesn't seem to make any sense that that would be your first choice of where you would hold such an event, to me. No. Eleanor, did you say that in there it says that if it's a USA Boxing sanctioned event it's not occurring where there's alcohol being served? No, that's just how I read his letter. Oh, ok. I haven't read all of this. You can all pass it around- Eleanor, you're not being recorded. I know that. (can't hear) Dilkes: You can all pass them around, and there's a table of contents. You can kind of see what the - they're lengthy, and I, I didn't know what your interest was so I haven't read them all. Elliott: I don't want, I don't want Iowa City making a determination whether a person who wrestled for 2 years in high school met the martial arts requirement. Correia: We're not talking about that at all. Champion: No, we wouldn't do that. Vanderhoef: No, that's not - Elliott: No, but that's what has been brought up. I don't want us involved in regulations, period. Correia: Nobody does. On here. At this table. Bailey: So I think that our ordinance, enables USA sanctioned boxing to occur within our community if people are interested in holding those kinds of events. I'm not concerned that we are barring - Correia: You said it does allow - This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9,2007 City Council Work Session Page 36 Bailey: I'm not concerned that we're - I mean, they just can't be at a bar. I think that's pretty straightforward. I don't have a problem with the ordinance. Champion: It's pretty simple. Elliott: Yep. Bailey: Yeah. I don't have a problem with the ordinance. O'Donnell: I don't either. Vanderhoef: Well I don't know where they do them in, in Iowa City, that the young woman was talking about. Dilkes: I know we've had one - Wilburn: At the Rec. Center, yeah. Dilkes: One at the Rec. Center. Elliott: Rec. Centers, gyms, armories, they - a lot of different places. Wilburn: In fact, the armory in (?), that's another popular place. Elliott: Mm hmm. Yeah. Bailey: So I'm not concerned that we're, you know, eliminating the possibility of doing this. Vanderhoef: I think it would be wise to just add US - Bailey: Do we want to have USA sanctioned boxing in bars? Vanderhoef: Not in bars, but, but- Correia: But we don't- Bailey: The venues that serve alcohol even if they're not serving alcohol at the time of the event? Vanderhoef: If that's where the location can be. I don't know where they do 'em. I'm just saying I don't want to- Bailey: There's ample opportunity. Champion: There's plenty of places. Correia: Well our ordinance wouldn't eliminate- Champion: Eliminate. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 City Council Work Session Page 37 Correia: Wouldn't eliminate USA Boxing happening in the City anywhere else. It just wouldn't allow it to happen in a bar that is serving alcohol. Elliott: Mm mm. Right. Bailey: Right. Vanderhoef: That wasn't the way I read it. Dilkes: Oh, you know what? I looked at his letter again. It says USA Boxing does allow alcohol to be served at its amateur boxing contests. Champion: Oh. Vanderhoef: It does. Bailey: Maybe not here. Wilburn: It's, it's our choice. Elliott: Well, I'm for passing this and if something comes up in the future that causes us to change our mind slightly, tweak it, we can always tweak it. Wilburn: Something to consider between now and tomorrow night. Any other agenda items? ITEM 5. CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 4, ENTITLED "ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES" TO PROHIBIT POSSESSION OF OPEN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ON PUBLIC PROPERTY. (FIRST CONSIDERATION) Bailey: Eleanor, would you explain #5? I'm sorry, I've read it a lot of times and I just don't get it. Vanderhoef: 5 did you say? Bailey: Yeah, 5. Dilkes: Oh- Bailey: I don't know what I'm missing here. Dilkes: It just, when we actually, the last time - actually, I think it was Sarah and Eric in my office. They went to prosecute it, and it actually didn't specify that the alcoholic beverage had to be open or unsealed. And so obviously you can walk with a bottle of wine in a public place if it' s closed. Bailey: Oh, right. Dilkes: So this is just fixing that. Bailey: Ok, ok. That makes sense. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9,2007 City Council Work Session Page 38 Vanderhoef: You can put it in your bicycle basket and peddle home with it. Ok. Elliott: I still don't like the - I voted for that, and I wished I hadn't. Because now what we're saying in Iowa City: people I talked to went to see Grand Funk in Coralville, took coolers with beer and pop and had a great time. Now in Iowa City, if you watch Shakespeare you can drink beer and wine, but if you watch Grand Funk in our park, you can't. Champion: If you have a picnic you can't. Elliott: I think that's being elitist. Champion: So do you, but who cares? Elliott: And that sends a message I don't like to send for Iowa City. Wilburn: If a non-profit has Grand Funk come in they can. Bailey: That's right. Champion: I mean do we really - Elliott: That's another negative outlook tonight. I told you I was negative tonight. Champion: Well, did the law used to read that you could have a certain amount of alcohol at a public, at a family reunion or a picnic? Because we always did. (laughter) Atkins: Bailey: Champion: Elliott: Atkins: Dilkes: Wilburn: Correia: Wilburn: Up until the construction of the theater and that new ordinance, alcohol was not, is not permitted at City parks. Period. Right. Really. Yep. And can't hide it in those little- I think the, I mean this, it kind of dovetails with the public intoxication issue. I mean, we don't want people walking around with open bottles that they're consuming. At the Arts Fest and the Jazz Fest they had the option, because they're non-profits, correct? And they just have chosen not to. Is that not correct? Say it - what's this non-profit? Do we not allow it? This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 City Council Work Session Page 39 Dilkes: Yeah, it's, the Riverside Theater Ordinance as we call it is what we're talking about where you can, a non-profit, I think right now it's limited to public parks. Wilburn: Oh, ok. I couldn't remember if it was or not. Dilkes: You'd have to expand the ordinance to allow. Elliott: At the Jazz Fest we have sidewalk cafes. They can have a beer, wine. Wilburn: All right. Vanderhoef: I've got two more. Wilburn: Ok. ITEM 19. CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CITY CODE TITLE 7, ENTITLED FIRE PREVENTION AND PROTECTION, AND TITLE 17, ENTITLED BUILDING AND HOUSING TO ESTABLISH FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS FOR NEW AND EXISTING GROUP A- 2 AND B OCCUPANCIES. (SECOND CONSIDERATION) Vanderhoef: Actually, the last page in the packet is an email that has been published that we don't have a complete name. And the email address doesn't tell us who that name is. Elliott: What's the email? Vanderhoef: It's- Correia: Dave S. It's about the fire. Bailey: What is it? Atkins: Where was this? Bailey: Sorry. Correia: Very last page of the packet. Atkins: Oh. O'Donnell: Dave S. Vanderhoef: Dave S. and smuck6. You know, why, who do we not? Karr: I thought we looked it up and I thought it was - Vanderhoef: Pardon me? Karr: I thought we looked it up and I thought there was a Dave Smuck. I thought. I can't remember. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 City Council Work Session Page 40 Helling: I recall talking about it. I think we just made the assumption that the last name was Smuck and so - O'Donnell: That's what I did. Helling: So that's why, otherwise - because typically if you don't have a name we don't put them m. Vanderhoef: Not schmuck. Karr: That's right. We do not. Our policy is not to put them in without a name. I thought we didn't. Elliott: Right. Correia: Oh. Dilkes: But we get emails like that all the time that are edilkes or you know, ehelling. So we just assume that that's the last name. Champion: Yeah. I remember - Vanderhoef: Well I don't question that - I don't know. Karr: I would have to check but I think I did check. Correia: So is your question Dee whether we should have included this or what? Vanderhoef: Well I just, yeah, that was basically the question. Karr: Our policy is unless it is a name, now again, clarifying, a full name - we will take E. with a last name - E. Dilkes, M. Karr. V anderhoef: Yeah. But the last name needs to be there and I'm not - Karr: And I thought we did look at that and that clearly is our policy, yes. Correspondence 2f(10) Peninsula NeiQhborhood Development Vanderhoef: Ok. Ok. Then we're just fine. The other item that I wanted to mention was correspondence #10, which was the request from Barry Kemper. And I've been speaking with the Planning Department on that one today, just because I'm, I'm a little interested in two things about that. The idea that the interest maybe has changed and we're also lost opportunity for using the dollars that we would have in our general fund by carrying this project another two years. So I'd like to know what those figure out to and whether that's something we should consider. Davidson: Our recommendation to you on this would be to toss it back to staff so we can sit down with the developer. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9,2007 City Council Work Session Page 41 Vanderhoef: Mmm hmm. Davidson: In fact we're already scheduled to sit down with the developer. Elliott: Good idea. Davidson: And talk through some of the issues and just find out a little bit more about what they're doing and maybe, you know, basically bring back a recommendation for you. Just to clarify for everybody, the way the agreement is structured is that there are specific dates, that it was a 1.3 million dollar purchase by the City of which the developer is then gradually buying pieces of it and will eventually buy the whole thing. And then it's stipulated that they have to develop it according to the plan that we have. They're asking for an extension on the 3rd piece that they would buy of 18 months, which means we have 18 months of carrying costs; I think that's what Dee is alluding to. And that's something that we would like to be able to negotiate with them ifthere would be (tape dropout- can't hear). But then, you know, hopefully they would get back on the schedule and finish out the agreement for the rest of the duration. Wilburn: So - Vanderhoef: And, ah, - Davidson: Certainly if there's any specific instructions you'd like to give Bob and I at this point we'd be happy to hear them. Vanderhoef: Well, that was what I was asking for in my phone calls today, is just to bring it back when you bring your memo back. But also on that project, if you read in that section where the marketers and realtor are talking about marketing that project, they talked about giving back to the City some acreage and Bob Micklow and I talked through that and I've asked for an explanation, and Jeff, maybe you want to do it tonight? Davidson: The short explanation is they refer to the 12 acres they've given back for the dog park and that isn't exactly accurate. Vanderhoef: No. Davidson: Because that was always intended to be public property that was originally going to be developed as a prairie. The developer though was able to, there is a payment being made by the developer for that property because there was a density transfer, where basically, they were allowed to develop at a higher density up on top of the hill where they are building, using, because that parcel would be kept vacant; originally for a prairie, subsequently for a dog park. So it wasn't exactly accurate the way they phrased it. Bailey: It's marketing. Davidson: It was never going to be their property, but it is something they're making a payment for in order to have the density transfer up on top of the hill. Correia: Interesting spin. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 City Council Work Session Page 42 Vanderhoef: So we're not giving them full credit for giving us anything. Davidson: So if you'd like to give that one back to us then we'll bring it back after we've had a chance. Wilburn: It's all yours. Elliott: Good. Bailey: Thank you. ITEM 15. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING CITY MANAGER TO AWARD PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTS, EXECUTE SAID CONTRACTS, AUTHORIZE WORK AND APPROVE CONTRACTOR'S PERFORMANCE AND PAYMENT BOND FOR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS PURSUANT TO IOWA CODE SECTION 26.14(2007). Elliott: I have item 15. What is, on item 15, what is involved with public improvements, which gives stafflatitude to approve up to $100,000.00? Dilkes: This is part of the changes that were made to the bidding threshold law by the legislature. And you know, for years and years it's been $25,000.00 has been the threshold at which you have to go through a formal, competitive bidding process. So any public improvement, and public improvement is kind of as compared to repair, although we have issues with that sometimes. But you know, building a building. We consider our roofs public improvements, those kinds of things. So most all of those have come to you under the competitive bid threshold. That has now changed and that formal competitive bidding will only be done, or only has to be done, at $100,000.00 or more. But, they now have this interim category called competitive quotations, and there are a number or requirements: staff still has to get a couple competitive quotations, etc., etc., and those have to, the results ofthat have to be reported to the City Council. My intention is to give you kind of a more summary detail of this as soon as - Public Works and my office are working on kind of a comprehensive procedure about how this is all gonna work and I was gonna raise it with you then. But one of the things we needed to get done was to authorize these things to be done at the staff level. In that 51 to- Elliott: So this would - the public improvements deals only with like construction projects? Dilkes: Yes, yes. Not purchases of commodities. Elliott: Not purchasing services? Dilkes: Not purchases of services, no. Correia: So give us some example of the recent. Dilkes: McCollister Boulevard, Gilbert Bowery Prentice. All those, most of the construction packages. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9,2007 City Council Work Session Page 43 Atkins: We do have smaller, smaller projects. Correia: But those aren't under $100,000.00. Dilkes: Oh, you mean that would be under? Correia: Yeah. Dilkes: I thought you wanted examples of public improvement. Elliott: No, no, no. Correia: No, no, examples of things that have, because of the cost, have gone before us, because ofthe previous law, we saw that we wouldn't see now. Dilkes: Oh, the Riverside Restroom, that's a good one. Atkins: Yeah, the restroom. And Napoleon Park. Dilkes: Napoleon Park. Atkins: Concession, isn't it, isn't that close? Dilkes: Might be. Atkins: Those kinds of projects. Elliott: Yep. This indicates that under a hundred, at $100,000.00 or less we're not required to go through a bidding process. Dilkes: No, you are required to - well, you aren't required to go through that bidding process. There is in this 51-100 thousand, you have to go through this competitive quotation process. It's much less formal and it's quicker. Elliott: It streamlines it. Dilkes: It streamlines it. Vanderhoef: It streamlines it and it makes it cheaper for cities to do, and this has been a request of State League of Cities for about 4 years because the small towns, they don't even get this much leeway. They're only going up to $50,000.00. Elliott: Well I do know that there are instances when you can go with a known builder, for instance, and go cost plus, and you save money. But I still like the idea of the Council knowing what's going on. Dilkes: The, one of the, one of the requirements of the law is the Council be informed ofthe award. Elliott: Ok. Ok. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 City Council Work Session Page 44 Vanderhoef: So it would come on consent, maybe? Atkins: We also have to give the bidder. Dilkes: Pardon me? Vanderhoef: So that notification could come either in info packet or the consent calendar? Dilkes: But again - Bailey: Right. Dilkes: A memo to the Council. Atkins: Streamlining is also an advantage to the bidder and we're hoping we'll get new folks. It'll work out for everyone. Elliott: Yeah. That makes sense. Vanderhoef: Yeah. It's, that was - Dilkes: Well and it's generally to the City's advantage to do competitive bidding, even in our purchasing policies we competitively bid in a fashion, in a quicker way that doesn't go through you all, etc., but anything over $5000.00, I think, unless there's a waiver that the purchasing department gives because it's a special kind of product or something. ITEM 11. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING FUNDING FOR DISCERNING EYE, INC. FROM IOWA CITY'S COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT - ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ACT AS CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER AND SUBMIT ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTATION TO THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT. (DEFERRED FROM 6/19) Elliott: Item 11 I had, I will just tell the Council that I had some very, very serious concerns. I did vote approval in the Economic Development Committee, but I just, I would hope that the Committee would go back and evaluate some of the things. For instance, we informally decided that we would not look at bankruptcy after 7 years, and I think that nothing tells you more about the future than the past and I think we need to look at that, we need to look at the reasons for it, we need to look at a number of things. So I'mjust hoping that our Committee can discuss this further. Bailey: We didn't decide that we would change the policy. That was an informal; it's coming back to us. Elliott: Pardon me? Bailey: That wasn't an informal decision. It's coming back to us as a change in the application. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 Elliott: Bailey: Elliott: Bailey: Elliott: Bailey: O'Donnell: (laughter) Wilburn: Correia: Karr: Correia: Karr: Atkins: Correia: Atkins: Correia: Bailey: Correia: Wilburn: City Council Work Session Page 45 And I don't like that. I, I voiced approval and I made a mistake. Because if someone declares bankruptcy we need to know that - Well, you have to talk about this tomorrow morning, Bob. We need to know the reason why. We should talk about this tomorrow morning during committee time. It's probably more appropriate. I just want the Council to understand that. Ok. This has been negative night for me. I hope you're in a better mood tomorrow. I haven't noticed any difference at all. Other agenda items? Consent Calendar # 2c - Permit Motions and Resolutions as Recommended by the City Clerk Ijust have a question - this is in our consent calendar, and this is sort of just related to our liquor licenses. In terms of getting a report on number of P AULAs that we - we have in the past. I'm sorry Amy, what is it - what item are you on? Just in the consent, the renewal of liquor licenses. Thank you. You want an update on PAULA? Yeah, in terms of, yeah. Easy enough to do. Sure. And then the other thing I was wondering about is have we done any clients checks in the last years related to like convenience stores and selling alcohol under? We use to get those reports and we no longer get those. Yeah. In fact there's a couple right now that, they've got the, I won't call them out, but their windows where they typically keep alcohol are boarded over because they're not allowed, they're under - This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9,2007 City Council Work Session Page 46 Karr: They're currently under suspension. Dilkes: Under suspension. Wilburn: Yeah, they're under suspension. Atkins: We'll get you up to speed on that. Bailey: Yeah, because we haven't been. Atkins: I'm sorry - we'll get you up to speed on those. Elliott: I have a question of Steve-based - Vanderhoef: Can, I, can we add on to that please? Correia: Sure. Elliott: Ok. Vanderhoef: Drunk driving. Atkins: OWUls? Vanderhoef: OWUls in the City, and if there's a possibility of an age breakdown? Atkins: Age breakdown? Vanderhoef: Mmm hmm. Correia: How old, you mean? Vanderhoef: Well I watch in the newspaper and I'm gonna be participating in a forum on drunk driving and I feel like (can't hear) Dilkes: I think we must be on Council Time now, huh? Karr: I mean are we, is this Council Time or is it an agenda item or - Dilkes: What are we doing with- Vanderhoef: It was those same reports. Dilkes: Well, the problem is we don't have - OWUls don't have anything to do with whether we approve a liquor license. Correspondence 2f(4) GeorQe Gusick. Sr.: Patron assaulted at Brothers Correia: And then the other thing related to agenda items is the letter that we received about this . incident that happened at Brothers. I guess I just like - This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 Elliott: Correia: Atkins: Correia: Atkins: Correia: Elliott: Atkins: Elliott: Wilburn: O'Donnell: Bailey: Elliott: Council Time Wilburn: Correia: Atkins: Correia: Atkins: Correia: Champion: Atkins: City Council Work Session Page 47 As a matter of fact I was just going to - I know there's an investigation. Still under way. If we could get a report of that. We intended to give you one, yes. Ok. Ok. So you'll get that, Steve. Yes. It's being investigated as we speak. We don't, I don't have any answers for you yet. Good. That was my question. Other agenda items? That's all of them. I think we've done them all. I don't have anything to oppose at this time. I'm sorry. Council Time. Anyone Council Time? Well I have a quick - we get these Springsted Symposium. Is that, are we, is that because we belong to something? Promotional material from Springstead, that's all. Because there's a - I don't want to go to this but I didn't know if it would be appropriate for a staff person to attend? Weare dong a workshop in Kansas City maybe? Somewhere, yeah. We're pretty selective about those. Most of those financial advisors put that out - they all have a series of well, I don't even know what to call those. Ok. Well there is a workshop and so this is, on performance measurement, public entities using performance measurement techniques to improve service delivery and accountability, so I don't know if that's - We're doing that all the time. I mean, I hope we're doing that all the time. We do our best. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 City Council Work Session Page 48 Vanderhoef: I guess I left it in the car, but I did receive from National League of Cities application forms for leadership training grants and/or scholarships for this coming year if anyone is interested. I'll bring them in tomorrow night or you can walk out to the car with me and I'll show those to you. Wilburn: Anyone else Council Time? Champion: Whatever happened to our study? Bob, weren't you on it? About the parking in Dubuque Street? Correia: Hmmm? Champion: Remember with the Chamber, was gonna help dealing with the parking in the middle of Dubuque Street, that kind of stuff. Weren't you on that committee? O'Donnell: For the trucks, Bob. Champion: Yeah, the beer trucks. Elliott: If I was, I never met with anybody. (Laughter) O'Donnell: You and I were both on it and the Chamber never got back. Bailey: Boy, I wish I had- Elliott: I can remember the police coming in or giving us a report that it was, it appeared to be no longer a serious problem and I - Atkins: That I recall. Bailey: So, are you saying it is? Champion: I haven't seen any change. That's why I'm asking. Vanderhoef: Oh sure it is. It's too close. Elliott: Am I correct on that? Atkins: That's what I thought, too. I thought that took care of it. Champion: Well, it does take care of it for awhile. But we're all back now to - especially, you know. It does help for a little bit. Atkins: Old habits. Champion: So I was wondering what happened to that committee. The other thing is I'm gonna bring up again, I've been paying particular attention to the loading zones on Iowa Avenue, and This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 Elliott: Champion: Wilburn: Elliott: Correia: Champion: Bailey: Champion: Bailey: Correia: Vanderhoef: Champion: (laughter) Bailey: Wilburn: Champion: Wilburn: Bailey: (laughter) Correia: City Council Work Session Page 49 I'm going to tell you honestly this week, although I've been in and out of the store because I'm dealing with a sick friend, I've only, I've only seen one commercial vehicle in those 2 loading zones last week. Now I think if we're going to have loading zones they should be using them. Ifnot, let's don't have them. Makes sense. If they're going to load in the middle of Dubuque make those into parking for customers. That's my complaint. Are you asking, are you asking for a work session on that or? Did you talk to me before this tonight? I think we should train a webcam on the loading zones. Then we could get 24 hour, you know, really get to see how. Well, I think, I think there are businesses downtown that have loading zones where anybody can park for 20 or 30 minutes. But our loading zones on Iowa Avenue are for commercial vehicles only, and there's never any commercial vehicles parked there. So you'd rather have loading zones that are similar to the ones that are on Washington Street? Yes, I mean- That seems legitimate. Oh - 'cause the Washington Street one, oh sure. I would suggest that the one on Iowa Avenue at Clinton is used a lot. Yours is used a lot, I mean, in terms of yours, but- Well I think that's what it is, right? Is that a change that you want to have, and two others want to have put on for a work session? Are you proposing a change that should be brought to- Oh, I think it needs more talking about than just me. So are there two others that are interested? I'll put it on. Can we put them into taxi stands? Well, if you could sit there for 10 minutes a taxi could use it. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 City Council Work Session Page 50 Wilburn: Anyone else Council Time? Vanderhoef: I do have the application in here and it, the first opportunity to use the scholarship would be for the New Orleans Congress of Cities. And this year they have moved the date on it, so it is, the seminars are on November 13-14 and go on and the Conference follows that. So this is a month earlier than we've every had Congress of Cities before. So keep it in mind if you can get away at that time and come. I think it would be a wonderful opportunity for anyone to come. Joint Meetin2 Wilburn: Joint Meeting. Karr: I put a memo in your packet regarding scheduling conflicts. There were three of you who would prefer to change it and three who didn't care, and one who was leaning toward (can't hear). So with that in mind, before we send out any information on requesting joint agenda items, since we're hosting it, it might be a good idea to pick another date so we have a (can't hear). Bailey: I think when we host we should have a good showing, yes? Karr: Yes. Elliott: So don't do it at 7:30 in the morning. Karr: Well but I asked at two work sessions of just all 7 of you for setting it, and you all concurred to 7:30 in the morning. Elliott: I did? Karr: Yes. Bailey: You probably were asleep when you concurred. Elliott: Had I been drinking heavily? Karr: I wouldn't know. Bailey: Do you drink heavily before these regularly? Karr: If you would like to change it, can we look at, maybe, August 22nd? That's the Wednesday after - I'm just trying to find, that would be the 3rd Wednesday in August. Champion: I'm sorry - what? Wilburn: August 22nd. Karr: Moving it from July 25th to August 22nd. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 City Council Work Session Page 51 Vanderhoef: That is the day of the - Champion: What are we moving? Bailey: Joint meeting. Correia: Joint meeting. Champion: Oh that's fine, yeah. Vanderhoef: Wait a minute. That's the day I've been told that the Chamber is doing the Rail Ride. Bailey: No. The 25th. Vanderhoef: 25th? Bailey: The Saturday. Vanderhoef: Ok. Thank you. Elliott: What time Marian? Karr: Bob, what time do you want it? Wilburn: I'm unavailable after 6:30. I have a Crisis Center Board Meeting. Champion: Well don't we usually- Correia: Usually we put it at 4, 4:30. Karr: 4 or 4:30. Bailey: I might not be able - I've got a hold on that date. (cut off - end of tape) Vanderhoef: Which date was that? Wilburn: The 22nd. Champion: The 22nd, August. Correia: Works for me. O'Donnell: That's fine. Bailey: Ok. O'Donnell: At what time? This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9,2007 City Council Work Session Page 52 Champion: 4 to 5:30 or 4:30 to- O'Donnell: 4:30 to 5:30? Karr: So we're going to go with August 220d at 4:30? Wilburn: Yes. Vanderhoef: I'll alert - Bailey: Here, right? Elliott: Here. Karr: Well, I don't know if it'll be here. We're getting too big for here. I can't, I'm gonna check - Correia: Would the Library? Bailey: Well the Library would be fun. Champion: Oh yeah. Karr: I'll check. That's part of the problem. We're just getting too large for here if everybody comes. Elliott: We don't, we don't film that, do we? Champion: No. Elliott: Video it? Bailey: Although - Karr: We don't, we don't restrict anyone who wishes to, but we don't routinely do it. Elliott: Uh huh. Right. Good. Wilburn: It has been filmed by others. Champion: I think it'd be great. Karr: The Library then. V anderhoef: Yeah. I saw it on TV one time. Champion: There's a meeting room at the Rec. Center too, isn't there, upstairs? This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 City Council Work Session Page 53 Fall Meetin2 Schedule Karr: Ok. How about the Fall meeting schedule? IP5 in your packet. Champion: It's good. Bailey: It looks good. O'Donnell: Good. Karr: Because it's a little different than- Bailey: One would expect. Vanderhoef: The only thing - Bailey: Thank you. There is one - I may have one conflict, although you can go ahead and meet, is that weekend, that week of Thanksgiving. I think I'm gonna be gone the whole time. Karr: The 19th. Bailey: Yeah, I mean - Karr: November was the most challenging. Bailey: I mean - yeah, because we've got a holiday on the 12th. Karr: Well, it's a holiday, the National League of Cities, an election. But- Bailey: I mean could we - I don't know. Karr: Anything you want. We just need to do it ahead of time. Vanderhoef: League of Cities. Bailey: I don't want a meeting during Thanksgiving week. Correia: No. Bailey: It's an American holiday. Correia: I'm gonna be gone that week. Bailey: I've got to take somebody to San Francisco for something. Karr: Well what about, we could - ok, here's the trick. Ifwe move it, if we move it- Correia: Yeah, actually I'm going to be gone the week of Thanksgiving. Bailey: I'm, well we're out of town. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 Elliott: Karr: Bailey: Karr: Bailey: O'Donnell: Karr: O'Donnell: Bailey: Karr: O'Donnell: Correia: Karr: Correia: Bailey: Karr: Champion: Elliott: Karr: Elliott: Correia: Bailey: O'Donnell: City Council Work Session Page 54 Go ahead. If we move it to the 26th and 27th and you move your December meeting. For the 10th? One meeting, the 10th and 11 tho I think we've done that before and it worked out nicely. That's fine. Now what that means is you're getting the packet Thanksgiving week. So Thanksgiving week you're reviewing a packet. So you'd meet a combined meeting November 5th and that's ok? The day before the election you've got a work session and a formal. I think the day before is fine. I don't. And then the 26th, 27th, and then move December to 10th and 11th. Not the day of, day before. What about combined on the 13 th? Dee's gone. Oh. So what you just said is we're moving to the 26th, 27th. I'm saying if there's enough of you gone, and could you please let me know your Fall schedules? Because I didn't have that down. But if enough of you are gone Thanksgiving week then we could move a week later and then also adjust December accordingly. Yes. Good. When is Thanksgiving week? 22nd, 23rd - the week of the 19th. November? Yes. Are you kidding? Good? Good. Did you really ask that? This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007. July 9, 2007 City Council Work Session Page 55 Bailey: It was kind of funny. Elliott: I don't know. I just take the holidays as they come. Vanderhoef: As long as you aren't cooking you don't care. As long as you get fed. Elliott: I'm not a big holiday person. Vanderhoef: Ok. So you're talking about- Karr: November we would have a combined meeting on Monday the 5t\ a work session and a formal. That would be the day before the election. Vanderhoef: Ok. Karr: We would meet again the 26th and 27th and then the 10th and 11 th of December is what we're talking about now. Champion: Perfect. Bailey: I think that sounds lovely. O'Donnell: That's good. Champion: That sounds perfect for me. For me. Bailey: It sounds good for me and my family. Because I want to get out of town. Champion: Bob, how does that sound for you? Elliott: What's that? Champion: How does that sound to you? Bailey: He doesn't- Elliott: I don't like any of it. Wilburn: See you tomorrow night. This represents only a reasonable accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council meeting of July 9,2007.