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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1987-12-01 Bd Comm. minutesMINUTES IOWA CITY AIRPORT COMMISSION MEETING OCTOBER 15, 1987 MEMBERS PRESENT: Ashby, Blum, Foster, Ockenfels MEMBERS ABSENT: Lewis STAFF PRESENT: Zehr, Sueppel Mr. Ashby called the meeting to order in the absence of Chairman Lewis, and appointed Blum to act as Secretary. Attendance was noted. There were no guests present. Bill Suepple was introduced as the Assistant City Attorney appointed to aid the Commission. The minutes of the September 17, 1987, meeting were considered and adopted as presented. Zehr presented the members with a list of the bills for the month and briefly explained the payment of $35,000 to Dean and Phyllis Fitzgarrald for the purchase of an avigation easement as part of the FAA compliance project. COMPLIANCE PROJECT REPORT: Zehr reported the aerial easement acquisition program is vir ua y comp ete. The legal appeals remain to be resolved in a court hearing involving all the condemned parcels. Zehr has received a request from the FAA for clarification of some minor points regarding the title opinion which was supplied earlier.. Those requests have been forwarded to Security Abstracts for clarification. IOWA CITY FLYING SERVICE: Zehr reported that because negotiations broke down subsequent to the ast Commission meeting, the arbitration process was re- sumed with the assumption that the state law regarding arbitration does apply in this case. The arbitrators have asked the Commission to assist in select- ing a hearing date. The Commissioners agrees to suggest the dates of October 26 and November 2 and asked Zehr to so inform Mr. Byron Ross. FY89 BUDGET PREPARATION: Blum suggested in view of an anticipated shortfall or the City in he members first take time to study the budget pro- posal in depth and then schedule a special meeting if needed to discuss it item -by -item. Zehr proceeded to discuss the rationale for certain line items to aid the Commissioners in their study of the budget proposals and will work with the Commissioners individually over the next few weeks. It was agreed that Zehr will make any adjustments which the Commissioners recommend before submitting the proposal to the City. o. AIRPORT OPERATIONS/TRAFFIC: Zehr reported that IDOT will set up sound acti- vated ra c counters on the runways to monitor airport use, starting Octo- ber 23. Three Iowa home football game weekends will be included in the study. There was a discussion about whether or not a runway should be closed for parking airplanes on football game days. It was agreed that runway 6/24, now designated the preferential runway, should not ever be closed. If wind conditions are such as to make runway 30 a significantly safer landing strip, then it should remain open and visitors advised to park an the grass. O .o• Airport Commission October 15, 1987 Page 2 CHAIRMAN'S REPORT: There was no Chairman's report; however, Ashby expressed regret a t e ease committee had not been able to reach an agreement with the Iowa City Flying Service through negotiation. PUBLIC AND COMMISSION MEMBERS' INFORMATION AND INPUT: There was a short discussion about whether or not the airport or a ytng service is required to provide weather information. EXECUTIVE SESSION: There was no executive session. ADJOURNMENT: The meeting was adjourned. Recording secretary, Priscilla Wright. .o• Y MINUTES IOWA CITY AIRPORT COMMISSION THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 4, 1987 MEMBERS PRESENT: Lewis, Foster, Blum MEMBERS ABSENT: STAFF PRESENT: Ashby, Ockenfels Zehr, Vitosh Lewis called the meeting to order at 8:05 a. noted. m. Attendance and guests were Zehr introduced Rosemary Vitosh, Director, Finance Department, to explain various aspects of the City's budgeting process. She explained in detail the vehicle replacement line item in the Airport's budget. After discus- sion regarding expected useful life of the vehicles, it was decided that Vitosh, Zehr and Reynolds (Equipment Division) would re-evaluate the depreciation costs for the Airport's equipment and attempt to lower that line item. The remaining line items were discussed in detail and many Items were reduced below last year's projected costs in an effort to present the Council with the most cost effective budget possible. It was moved and adopted that Zehr should submit the Commission's cut budget to the Finance Department for consideration. /GGA MINUTES IOWA CITY HOUSING COMMISSION OCTOBER 13, 1987 IOWA CITY PUBLIC LIBRARY - ROOM A MEMBERS PRESENT: Watts, Stadtlander, Moore, Dawson, Streb, Parden, Hulse MEMBERS ABSENT: None STAFF PRESENT: Barnes, Milkman, Kirkpatrick, Sueppel, Seydel, Stroud RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL: Approve transferring two temporary employees to permanent status. MEETING TO ORDER: 9:00 a.m. MINUTES: Minutes of September 8, 1987, was approved with a correction to the second line ofon. It should have seconded by Moore,ead carriednded by Moore. Motion 7-0, HOUSING/RENTAL REHABILITATION: Barnes - Application for Modified Residential Accessibility Loan, 421 Crestview Barnes presented a handout: Summary of Requirements for Housing Reha- bilitation Programs and stated that the Housing Commission is being asked to approve two exceptions to the Residential Accessibility Program. The current program provides grants up to ;5,000.00 for those applicants with income below 80% of the median. Owners and staff are proposing exceptions to the income and the amount requested and that a second mortgage at 7%, 15 -ear term notyavailablebyet.mplMotiondwas8ids madefor the by Moore20o0pp ovesthe amount uexcepe tions, setting aside the amount requested until the two bids are reviewed, seconded by Hulse, Parden abstained, carried 6-0. - Amended Rental Rehabilitation Application, 715 Iowa Avenue Additional amount requested is ;4,000.00. The original amount approved was ;11,000.00. Originally, the maximum amount approved could have been ;5,000.00 per unit for a total of ;35,000.00 so with the additional amount requested total loan amount would be ;15,000.00. Additional money is requested to fund projects which were overlooked: repair/replace roof, o add security lights, replace breaker box, replace seven (7) water heaters, and add corner post. Also needing repair are the fire escapes. Motion was made by Streb to approve loan for half ofroximatelthe s $3,040.00 for itotale fire escapes and the roof replacement, approximately seconded by Moore, carried 7-0. .o• a MINUTES IOWA CITY HOUSING COMMISSION OCTOBER 13, 1987 PAGE 2 COORDINATOR'S REPORT: Seydel Seydel distributed to each Housing Commission member a addressed to John McDonald, Mayor of Iowa Cit Manager, Department of Housing and COPY of a letter Man ager. the Iowa Cit 9 Urban Development, ent, D JerryMo L. Bauer, ance in leasing up to 00%i theadditionaltHousing Vouchers tonver which income families in our community. exemplary perform - Vouchers were added to our program this fiscal Y low- income Seydel stated that 102 additional Hous - and Au Public Housing now currently t fo administers inter °f 653, year, The Iowa City Hous - 465 Certificates, 118 Vouchers, Seydel requested Housing Commission approve transferring the two temporary employees to permanent status. Motion to approve was made by Watts, seconded by Parden, carried 7-0, Seydel stated payments in October as follows: 109 Vouchers $29,302.00 452 Certificates $97,166.00 Public Housing rental income was $10,057.00 for September, A total of 84 applications were submitted for approval. ADJOURNMENT: Motion was made to adjourn by Moore, 9:42 a.m. Approved by Gary Watts. seconded by Hulse, carried 7-0 at A740 MINUTES SENIOR CENTER COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 21, 1987 MEMBERS PRESENT: Jack Bock, Bill Coen, Lorraine Dorfman, Fred Goss, Jean Hood, Michael Kattchee, Ruth Wagner, Dorothy Whipple MEMBERS ABSENT: Geri Hall STAFF PRESENT: Bette Meisel, Joyce Phelps GUESTS PRESENT: Iva Hilleman, Council of Elders; Agnes Kuhn, AARP; Betty Ockenfels, Board of Supervisors CALL TO ORDER/INTRODUCTIONS/MINUTES/PUBLIC DISCUSSION: Kattchee called the meeting to order. He asked the guests to introduce themselves. The minutes were approved as read. There was no public discussion. COUNCIL OF ELDERS: Hilleman explained briefly the plans which were underway for the sixth anniversary party on September 30. She described the day which would begin with a cake decorating competition at 11:00 a.m. and finish with a dance in the afternoon. Hilleman announced that Glenn Jablonski was resigning from the Council of Elders because of other commitments. She explained that the custom has been to replace people on the Council with the next highest vote -getter. SENIOR CENTER UPDATE: Meisel explained that the staff changes had been made. She said there were only two applications for the 16 hours of program specialist work. One applicant was Susan Rogusky, Volunteer Specialist, and she was the person most qualified. Meisel explained that in order for Rogusky to learn the POST publishing procedures, both she and Benz had been working 40 hours eacTi week until October 1. Ockenfels said the Board of Supervisors was not aware that Rogusky had applied for the job and was not in favor of this as the Board was opposed to a full-time volunteer specialist. Kattchee hastened to explain that there was a definite delineation of duties, and in actuality, Rogusky was working 20 hours as volunteer spe- cialist and 16 hours as program specialist, working on the POST and some other program specialist duties. Kattchee emphasized that al -any time in the future, should Benz decide to resign completely, the Center would once again employ a full-time program specialist and a half-time volunteer specialist. Meisel said this arrangement with Rogusky and Benz was actu- ally saving $2,000 annually. Meisel updated the Commission on the progress being made on the roof a repair/replacement. Meisel said the target date offor eventscompletion as was Novem- ber, and she would keep the Commission apprised A �/ ry Minutes Senior Center Commission September 21, 1987 Page 2 Meisel reported that the Center had received many art supplies and art work from the estate of Esther Kovarsky, a Senior Center volunteer, who died this summer. Meisel said in December or January an art show of Kovarsky's work would be displayed in the Assembly Room. Meisel said that one of the needs the staff had been considering was a computer. She reported that a former Commissioner, Henry Fox, who was also a former employee of Procter and Gamble had brought information to her concerning obtaining a grant for this purpose. Meisel said that she would be meeting with Kevin O'Malley who is the computer expert for the City to discuss the Center's needs. Meisel asked the Commissioners about buying a Directory of Senior Centers, published by NCOA and selling for $95. The Commission decided not to buy at this time. Dorfman said she would check with the University library to see if they had one. SENIOR CENTER GOAL COMMITTEE REPORT: Wagner said the Committee had met and had developed a time line and had some preliminary ideas which would be considered for actual goals. She said the Committee's aim was to report to the Commission in December. She also emphasized that the Committee wanted input from each person on the Commission. Kattchee said he would charge the Commission to submit an idea in writing to the Committee within 30 days. Kattchee suggested that the Committee consider scheduling themselves on the agenda of the Council of Elders in order to obtain input from that group. This should be done in advance so that the Council would be prepared to offer their ideas to the Committee. Wagner stressed that what the Committee was seeking were ideas for accomplishable goals not just "wish lists." VOLUNTEER RECOGNITION DISCUSSION: There was general discussion on the annual volunteer recognition process. It was agreed that the Commission would again have a dinnerwhich would be October 26 from 5:00-8:00 p.m. in the Senior Center Assembly Room. The City Council and Board of Supervisors would be invited, and Mayor Ambrisco and Betty Ockenfels would be asked to say a few words. Kattchee and Wagner will again solicit donations for the advertisement in the Press -Citizen; Coen will contact vendors and caterers; Goss will assignu es or the night of October 26; Hood and Wagner will work on the table decorations. It was decided to have entertainment rather than a speech. Hilleman volunteered to check with a "Sweet Adeline" group she knows to see if they would be willing to sing that night. A *7/ .V' 0 Minutes Senior Center Commission September 21, 1987 Page 3 Meisel said she would make arrangements for the invitations, kitchen help, and clean-up afterward. WRAP-UP ON NURSING HOME PROGRAM: The consensus was that all the remarks and feedback obtained had been positive. The crowd of 90-95 people who attended had benefitted from attending the program. The only regret was that it had been so difficult to get the publicity in the paper early enough for maximum coverage before people had made their weekend plans. RURAL OUTREACH QUESTIONNAIRE: Meisel circulated drafts of the proposed questionnaire which the Council of Elders wants to send to rural elderly. She asked them to look over and return the draft if they had suggestions or changes to make. Hood moved that the Senior Center Commission support the Council of Elders in their effort to approach the Board of Supervisors for funds for mailing of a rural outreach questionnaire which would not include the metropolitan area. Dorfman seconded. Motion carried, all ayes. OPEN DISCUSSION: Meisel said the No Parking signs were in place in the alley and warning slips were being g ven o ose who parked there. The meeting adjourned at 4:55 p.m. Prepared by Joyce Phelps, Senior Center Secretary. Approved by Ruth Wagner, Senior Center Commission Secretary. 1471 MINUTES SENIOR CENTER COMMISSION OCTOBER 19, 1987 MEMBERS PRESENT: Jack Bock, Bill Coen, Lorraine Dorfman, Fred Goss, Geri Hall, Mike Kattchee, Ruth Wagner MEMBERS ABSENT: Bud Gode STAFF PRESENT: Bette Meisel, Joyce Phelps GUESTS PRESENT: Iva Hilleman, Florence Muth, Council of Elders; Bette Ockenfels, Harold Donnelly, Board of Supervisors CALL TO ORDER/INTRODUCTIONS/MINUTES/PUBLIC DISCUSSION: Kattchee called the meeting to order and introduced the guests. Hall moved that the minutes be approved as read, Bock seconded, motion car- ried. All ayes. Public discussion was postponed until the end of the meeting. COUNCIL OF ELDERS REPORT: Hilleman reported that program committee was busy working on the Christmas tree trimming party on December 4. Plans include dulcimers, singers, and possibly cloggers. Hilleman said Alpha Phi Omega, a national honorary science fraternity, was coming to the Senior Center on October 29 to give a Halloween party. Hilleman reported that Bernardini is making arrangements to obtain an indoor golf driving range with the idea of giving some golf lessons. He is also working on getting dartboards for play at the Center. Hilleman said the Council of Elders was working on goals to be submitted to the Commission's five-year goal committee. A couple of suggestions received so far include recruitment of 55-65 year old members of the working public before retirement, and also scheduling training periods in the evenings or weekends so these prospective volunteers could participate. Hilleman said work was progressing on the rural questionnaire. She said because of a recent incident which occurred at the Center when an elderly person had suffered a heart attack in the restroom, many of the o, hosts/guides were feeling in need for retraining in emergency measures. Also, it was suggested that the weekend volunteers and maintenance worker be more diligent in checking restrooms and other more remote areas of the building regularly. SENIOR CENTER UPDATE: Meisel reported that the contract for a new roof had been let, and the roof work is scheduled for completion November 15. 4 /407/ .V' Senior Center Commission October 19, 1987 Page 2 Meisel said the preliminary figures for the "pre -budget" were now due, and she had been working on it. Meisel reported that the Senior Center had received $1,341 in memorial donations from the George Perret and Francis Moore funerals. The Perret money was earmarked for an art project of some type. Hall asked about the flooring on the ground floor. She expressed concern about the safety of the floor as it was pulling up in several places and several panels should be replaced. FIVE-YEAR GOAL COMMITTEE REPORT: Wagner passed out the new timeline schedule for the committee and explained that the committee was seeking input from the City Council, Board of Supervi- sors, and Council of Elders, and this necessitates extending the date for the final presentation to the Senior Center Commission to January 1988. Wagner collected the written suggestions for five-year goals from the other Commissioners. Wagner read the letter the goal committee was sending to the City Council and Board of Supervisors. She said she had also met with the chair of the Coun- cil of Elders, and the Council had appointed a committee to present their ideas to the goal committee. VOLUNTEER RECOGNITION DINNER: Hood reported for the decoration committee. She said she had written to the area florists and asked for a donation of flowers. She and several of others agreed to take the tablecloths home to press them. Hood also said she was going to rent candle holders for the tables. Goss gave his assignments for the evening. Dorfman and Hall would fill water glasses; Bill Coen, Gertrude Coen, Mike Kattchee, Delores Kattchee, and Dorothy Voporil would work the food line. Hood, Dorfman, and Hall would serve coffee. Bock would call tables and Wagner and Goss would hand out name tags and table assignments. Everyone would cooperate in the clean-up. Coen reported that Hy -Vee would be doing the catering. The dinner of chicken, seven -layer salad, potatoes, rolls, and cake would cost $2.75 each. Kattchee reported the ad had been proofed and the banks and Press -Citizen were paying for it. Hall moved that a letter be sent to the Press -Citizen, Bock and Wagner sec- onded. Motion carried, all ayes. DISCUSSION: PERCEPTION OF THE SENIOR CENTER "A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE POOR PEOPLE, COME-TOK There was general discussion on various ideas and suggested ways of changing this perception. 14 V Senior Center Commission October 19, 1987 Page 3 It was agreed by all that the public at large and some of the newspaper and radio people had this perception. Some suggestions included a special pic- ture edition of the POST; recruiting young, pre -retirement people as volun- teers; a marketing pian; more evening and weekend programs and activities to encourage the 55+ age group who are still working; evening classes in ceram- ics, woodworking, etc. The consensus was that changing this perception was not going to be an easy task and would require a carefully planned campaign to get the message to the public. OPEN DISCUSSION: Kattchee said that Benz had received a request to publish the names of the Congregate Meals volunteers in the Senior Center POST from Mike Foster. She explained to Foster that this was not possible ana 1t would be against the Senior Center POST policy. Foster's request was followed by requests for the same thing from Donnelly and Ockenfels. Benz explained that this was against the established policy and in order to change the policy the Senior Center Commission would need to do it. Kattchee explained also that printing the names would mean that Elderly Services, Adult Day Program, VNA, and the other agencies using volunteers could request the same thing. This would jeopardize our postal classifica- tion as an educational newspaper. Meisel explained that the POST priorities are as follows: 1. Information about our programs, such as Head to Toe Screening, WEIGHT WISE, etc. 2. Senior Center information such as hours, parking regulations, Senior Center Commission phone line, etc. 3. Opportunities for the elderly in the community such as various support groups, band concerts, Cocoa and Carols, community theater, etc. 4. General information for the elderly, such as health programs, book re- views, not for profit news. The POST does not print past news, literature (poems, short stories), in - p. house agency information, personality profiles, etc. There was general discussion on the strained relationship that exists between the Nutrition Advisory Board and the Senior Center Commission. Kattchee and others voiced the feeling that the Senior Center POST was possi- ble because of Senior Center volunteers, just as the Eldercra t Shop, the Host/Guide Program, the Library, and countless other programs were possible because of volunteers. Volunteering is the main service the Senior Center 0 offers. 1471 .Y' Senior Center Commission October 19, 1987 Page 4 The Senior Center staff spends lots of time training their volunteers and because of all the hours of volunteer time given by the Senior Center volun- teers, the POST prints their names and the Commission gives the dinner. The Commission see s donations from banks, and the Press -Citizen pays the balance of the advertising cost for printing the names of the Senior Center volun- teers. Kattchee pointed out this does not preclude the Nutrition Advisory Board or Board of Supervisors from doing likewise. It was suggested that the Congre- gate Meals staff would benefit from attending the Organization of Service Providers' meeting which is a one hour meeting on the 2nd Thursday morning each month, and especially in November as the program will be a discussion on volunteer recognition procedures. After discussion of the request by Donnelly and Ockenfels to set aside the POST policy and do them a favor and publish the names, Goss moved that the Lomnission stick with the present policy of the POST. Hood seconded. Motion carried, all ayes. i Kattchee announced his resignation from the Senior Center Commission effec- tive January 1, 1988. The meeting adjourned at 5:20 p.m. Minutes prepared by Joyce Phelps, Senior Center Secretary. Minutes approved by Ruth Wagner, Senior Center Commission Secretary. /6 71 .o• a MINUTES HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 16, 1987 - 7:30 P.M. SENIOR CENTER CLASSROOM MEMBERS PRESENT: Champion, Horowitz, Kern, Sierk, Wagner, VanderWoude MEMBERS ABSENT: Nowysz STAFF PRESENT: Beagle ALL TO ORDER: Wagner called the meeting to order at 7:40 p.m. COMMISSION DISCUSSION: Having just been elected to the School Board Champion announced that she w be retiring from the Commission but not until the proposed Norill th Side His- toric District issue has been cleared up. The members discussed the possibility of an ad hoc review committee which could aid the Commission in reviewing certificate of appropriateness cases. VanderWoude stated that he felt applicants may become frustrated in dealing with a subcommittee. He stated that the guidelines are there and that people generally know what's the right thing to do. Horowitz then questioned whether the Commission could find a willing architect to aid the Commission for such a review. Beagle said he would review the Commission's by-laws as to what options the Commission had in supplementing the main Commission. Sierk asked what things Dubuque has done in similar circumstances. ELECTION OF OFFICERS: It was announced that Nowysz would be moved to nominate Wagner as Chair and onded the motion. The motion carried taining. stepping down as Chairperson. Sierk VanderWoude as Vice -Chair. Kern sec - 4 -0, with Wagner and VanderWoude sus - CONSIDERATION OF THE MINUTES OF JUNE 16 JULY 23 AND AUGUST 12, 1987: Horowitz motioned to approve the minutes of June 16 and July 23, as submitted and August 12, 1987, as amended with a correction on page 3, fifth full paragraph, first sentence, as follows: "Beagle suggested to the Commission that they identify and schedule work...," substituting "schedule" for "prioritize." VanderWoude seconded the motion. The motion carried unani- mously. PUBLIC DISCUSSION: Wagner asked about the recommendation of Mr. Goldenberger to speak at the Chamber of Commerce Annual Meeting. Sierk noted that the Chamber of Commerce will not have a main speaker this year. Wagner brought up the possibility that the American Institute of Architects in Iowa City could be contacted to support funding for speakers on historic preservation. /474 o. Minutes Historic Preservation Commission September 16, 1987 Page 2 PROPOSED NORTH SIDE HISTORIC DISTRICT: Beagle summarized the current situation of the proposed North Side Historic District noting the properties which the City Council has eliminated from the original proposal and has sent back to the Historic Preservation Commission and Planning and Zoning Commission for further review. Beagle stated that the State Historical office would again have to review and approve any new proposals. Beagle noted that the two Commissions will have to work toward a politically acceptable and feasible boundary. Beagle stated some of the options the Commission has: stay with the district as amended by the City Council and work through it with the opponents; amend the boundaries and eliminate the sore spots within the district; focus on neighborhood preserva- tion instead of a historic district; identify specific sites or small areas instead of a large district; or forego the historic district and concentrate on an educational campaign. Sierk suggested that the Commission go with what was proposed in 1983. VanderWoude noted that there was opposition to that proposal as well. Kern stated that he wanted Iowa City to keep from having another strip development along its entryway and therefore not give up the fraternity properties an Dubuque Street. Horowitz stated that a North Side Historic District could help regulate construction along the Dubuque Street entranceway where the fraternities are located. Kern suggested that a letter could be written to the fraternities addressing the Commission's concerns about their interaction with the City. Sierk suggested that such letters be sent to the fraternities' corporate president. Horowitz asked whether the Commission would want to deal with the fraternities or whether they wanted the district passed. VanderWoude agreed that there should be control of the entryways and hoped that there would be more help from the City Council on the subject. Beagle noted that the entranceways are important and that preserving them is important, but the question is whether the fraternities are an integral part of the neighbor- hood. Champion suggested eliminating the properties west of Dubuque Street and then preserving the largest area possible. After considerable discussion, Beagle then summarized the suggestions/options of the Commission members: - Eliminate the two blocks (74, 75) west of Dubuque Street. - Eliminate the Widiss property at the north end of North Van Buren Street. - Eliminate the Rouse property at the north end of North Johnson Street. - Eliminate the Glasgow property at the end of Johnson Street. - Eliminate properties one lot deep along the east side of Dubuque, north of Ronalds. 14 7k Minutes Historic Preservation Commission September 16, 1987 Page 3 Optional would be the elimination of four blocks south of Church Street and east of Gilbert, as well as using Church Street as a southern boundary. If the district was not passed, the Commission would continue with an educa- tional campaign. VanderWoude mentioned that incentives are important for promoting the dis- trict. VanderWoude mentioned the possibility of supporting a smaller dis- trict that would be National Register eligible and provide tax breaks for rehabilitation of rental properties. Horowitz noted that20% can be deducted for the renovation of a rental property. Wagner stated that a tax abatement program would help residents. VanderWoude stated that the district would have to be made smaller in order for the State to pass something like that. Champion suggested that smaller areas could be proposed for the National Historic Register and a Federal tax abatement. VanderWoude stated that he would like to see the North Side Historic District conserve the 300 houses in the area. He noted that legislating asthetics is difficult, but he hoped that the district and tax credits would alleviate the disincentives of owning and restoring an older house. Wagner stated that some residents do feel the North Side Historic District is important. Beagle suggested that the Commis- sion try to retain the district concept with a smaller scale area. Champion suggested that for the next meeting they have an overhead projector for the public to view the map. CDBG FUNDING ASSISTANCE DISCUSSION: Horowitz stated that she hoped the Commission would try to support any finan- cial projects dealing with accessory housing. Sierk suggested that CDBG funds could be used for stripping asphalt from brick streets in order to renovate them. Champion suggested that the Commission support rental reha- bilitation projects with $200,000 targeted at renovating the interior and/or exterior of owner -occupied single -parent homes. COMMISSION INFORMATION: Sierk noted that an article in the recent issue of Midwest Living magazine covered Lockerbee Square in Indianapolis, Indiana, an a e i Si corpo- rate president lives in that historic area. Sierk noted that contacting him may be of help to the Commission. Beagle stated that the house on East College was unable to find two tab hexagon shingles, but was able to find master slab stepped dimensional shingling for $12,000, and wood shingling for $16,000. He asked the Commis- sion to consider these alternatives for discussion at the September 23, 1987, meeting. The meeting was adjourned at 9:50. Minutes submitted by Mary Lazenby. 0 14 7�C. o. r: _ - . _ .......'' 7 MINUTES HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 14, 1987 - 9:30 P.M. SENIOR CENTER ASSEMBLY ROOM MEMBERS PRESENT: Champion, Horowitz, Kern, Wagner, Vanderwoude MEMBERS ABSENT: Nowsyz, Sierk STAFF PRESENT: Beagle CALL TO ORDER: Wagner called the meeting to order at 9:40 p.m. CONSIDERATION OF THE MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 16 AND 23: •September 16, 1987, Minutes. Horowitz suggested the following corrections to the September 16, 1987, minutes: Page one, second paragraph should be amended to read as follows: "The members discussed the feasibility of an ad hoc review committee which could aid the Commission in reviewing certificate or appropriateness cases. VanderWoude stated that he felt applicants may become frustrated in dealing with a subcommittee. He stated that the guidelines are there and that people generally know what's the right thing to do. Horowitz then questioned whether the Commission could find a willing architect to aid the Commission for such a review. Beagle said he would review the Commission's bylaws as to what options the Commission had in supplementing the main Commission. Sierk asked what things Dubuque has done in similar circumstances.,$ Second page, second sentence of the second paragraph should read: "VanderWoude noted that there was opposition to that proposal as well. Kern stated that he wanted Iowa City to keep from having another strip development along its entryway and therefore not give up the fraternity properties on Dubuque Street." Third page, first sentence, first paragraph be deleted from the minutes. The now third sentence, same paragraph, should read, "Horowitz noted that 20% can be deducted for the renovation of a rental property." Champion moved to approve the minutes of September 16, 1987, as amended. VanderWoude seconded the motion. The motion carried unanimously. •September 23, 1987, Minutes. VanderWoude moved to approve the minutes of September 23, 1987, as submitted. Horowitz seconded the motion. The motion carried unanimously. /G 7z Historic Preservation Commission October 14, 1987 Page 2 REVIEW OF REHABILITATION PROJECTS: 803 E. Beagle stated that the owner discovered that the two -tab hexagonal shingles she had found in Dallas do not match the shape or scale of the existing stwo hingle and therefore wanted the Commission's recommendations concerning the owner 2want d shinal compatibleshe style and has offeredearlier. two different le sttypes othat shine gles for the Commission to review: 1) the klip lock, or 2) the master slab. Champion stated that both were acceptable to her. Horowitz asked which was most economical for the owner. Beagle noted that if the Commission did not object to either style, they could approve both styles and the owner could choose from them. Kern moved to approve the samples submitted. Wagner seconded the motion. The motion carried unanimously. 914 Iowa a�: Beagle stated that the owners wished to restore the existing clapboard siding of the home among other improvements. Wagner said that since her husband was associated with with this project, she would abstain from voting. Vanderwoude moved to endorse the project as submitted. Horowitz seconded the motion. The motion carried 4-0-1 (Wagner abstaining). STAFF REPORTS: Wagner referred to a letter which she was copied from Mr. David Crosson, Administrator, State Office of Historic Preservation, to Mr. Randall Faber, Historic Preservation Assistant of the Iowa Department of Transportation, concerning the Benton Street Bridge construction project. Based upon new information received, it appeared that the bridge may be eligible for listing on the National Register of Historic Places. Since the bridge replaced, it was determined that the projeis to be ct would have an adverse effect on a National Register eligible structure and that IOOT enter into the consulta- tion process to seek a way to avoid or reduce the adverse effects of the project. Beagle said that he was also copied with the letter and was inves- tigating the matter. Horowitz recommended that a plaque be placed on the bridge to indicate its historic significance. Beagle stated that the Commission could make a recom- mendation to the City Council for such a plaque. The meeting adjourned at 10:00 p.m. Minutes submitted by Mary Lazenby. 14 7aL A .` n MINUTES HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION 8 PLANNING WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 14, 1987 - 7:30 P.M. IOWA CITY SENIOR CENTER ASSEMBLY ROOM AND ZONING COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Champion, Clark, Cooper, Herbert, Horowitz, Kern, Scott, VanderWoude, Wagner, Wallace MEMBERS ABSENT: Nowysz, Sierk, Dierks STAFF PRESENT: Beagle, Lazenby CALL TO ORDER: Wagner called the public hearing to order at 7:35 p.m. and welcomed the large audience in attendance. IC ED Wagner presented opening remarks then asked Beagle to give a brief account of the proposed district to date. Beagle summarized the public hearing process and the purpose of the meeting. He stated that the Commission members want to receive input from the public concerning the proposed North Side Historic District. Beagle reviewed the sequence of events up to this hearing. He stated that the Council had re- ferred isthe hearingriist tocrecei eotinput�fromoNorthfor Side resident The beforerboth Commissions offer recommendations back to the City Council. More than likely the proposed district would need to be submitted back to the State Office of Historic Preservation before appearing before the City Council. Wagner read into the minutes Mr. Lyle G. Seydel's letter to the Historic Preservation Commission as he requested. The floor was then opened for public discussion. David Pepper 613 N Van Buren: Mr. Pepper stated that he awns and resides at the N. Van Buren property. He stated that it is his first house and that he and his wife have put a lot of work into their home. He stated that the home was built around 1900. He stated that he supports the proposed North Side Historic District due to his love of older homes. He stated that he believes in the Historic Preservation Commission and what they are working for and hopes that the Commission will recommend the preservation of the North Side. Iva Hilleman 411 S. Summit. Mrs. Hilleman stated that she owns a property at 624 N. Linn Street. She stated that she was surprised that the Commission was still talking about the proposed North Side Historic District. She stated that she feels like she has been treated like a second-class citizen. She stated that she owns property on the North Side and has worked hard to keep it nice. She stated that she feels the owners who have lived in their homes for 30 years or more on the North Side have also been treated like second-class citizens. She stated that she agreed with Mr. Herbert, of the Planning and Zoning Commis- sion, in that the proposed North Side Historic District size of 20 blocks is 14 73 Historic Preservation Commission October 14, 1987 Page 2 too large and is not viable. Mrs. Hilleman stated that she feels people should have choice if they want the district or not. She said the owners should choose. If a majority of property owners within a block want to be in a district, then they could be in a district. She stated the Scott had said he would through petitions because they were obtained illegally or that the opinions of those who oppose the district just aren't true. Mrs. Hilleman stated that she had spoken with Mr. Jim Jacobsen with the State Office of Historic Preservation and he stated that the petitions must be verified. Mr. Jacobsen said if 20% of the property owners are in objection, it would take a six out of seven vote from the City Council to approve the district. She stated that we've shown more than 20% objection and asked why the proposed North Side Historic District is so important when so much objection exists. She told the Commission that it plans away people's property rights. Arlene Louis Beck 417 N. Brown, She stated that having one or two blocks would not be a district. She also noted that by having people decide individually would lead to various uses in one area. She stated that she did not want any other pieces of the proposed North Side Historic District parceled away and wants the Commission to accept the map as it is. Bob Saunders, 320 E. Fairchild: Mr. Saunders stated that he is the Chairperson of the Johnson County Planning and Zoning Commission. He stated that he can see both sides of the issue but has decided against the district. He stated that he knows three years of work has gone into it but he doesn't try to create work and he feels that's what's happened here. He stated that the Commission is looking for something to do. He stated that the Commission has good intentions but the ground swell opposition is too great. He stated that he read each card that was returned from the mailing and said that between 80% to 85% of the those who returned the cards were against the district. He stated that the minority should be protected but the will of the majority should be done. He stated that if he wanted to preserve a building that he should do it on his own. He said he could not understand why the issue would go beyond tonight and that it should be quite obvious that the majority doesn't want this. Corine Sutter, 1009 Brown St She stated that she is for the district. She said that she did fill out a card but didn't think it was received by the City Council. She stated that she felt she had been harassed by petitioners. Kay Schneider, 317 Church St.- She t :She stated that the people who are the ones who don't want the do live there do want it. She homes more protection and that the homes looked nice and fit in own property in the area but don't live there historic district. She said that those who said that an historic district would give the the review process would simply ensure that with the neighborhood. /6 73 Historic Preservation Commission October 14, 1987 Page 3 Charlie Grunwald, 509 Brown St.: Mr. Grunwald presented the Commission with a petition containing the names of several home owners who could not be here tonight. He told the Commission that unless they let the issue go, there may be a lawsuit. Alan Widiss, 316 Kimball Rd.: He stated that the Rouse property should be treated like the other properties that are also vacant. He said if one open area is deleted, then other open areas should also be deleted, Mr. Widiss stated that the character of the North End should be preserved and it should be made clear to the owners what their roll will be. He asked whether the Commission had a new technique, other than the postcards, to get at the views of the property owners. Beagle explained where the Commissions were at in the process of designating an historic district. He explained that the City Council had returned the issue back over to the Planning and Zoning and Historic Preservation Commis- sions after the City Council made deletions. He noted that the postcard mailing was never intended to be a ballot. Horowitz noted that the Commissions are bound by the City Council to review the map the Council has returned to the Commissions. Beagle stated that the issue has been returned to the Commissions specific- ally because of the deletions of the Rouse, Hilleman and Wagner properties. Cecile Ridgeway, 40�St : in favor of the district stated that she is a residnt strictandthe urrentb undaries.prShersaidwthatnerait iss sabsolutely neces- sary to preserve the character of the North Side and that the absentee land- lords run it. She said that she was attracted to the area by its history and the people who want to preserve its foundation and character. She noted that Iowa City has a lot is offer appropriated place for sand she feels that the designed area is an uch a district. Velma Duffy, 311 and 315 Brown St : She stated that she has lived in Iowa City for 26 years and asked the Commis- sion that if some properties were deleted, would it be possible for hers to be deleted. Horowitz replied that a purpose of the district is to maintain the area as a neighborhood. Mrs. Duffy stated that she did not want another Commission telling her what o to do. a /6 73 Historic Preservation Commission October 14, 1987 Page 4 Gene Duffy, 311 and 315 Brown St.: Mr. Duffy stated that the North Side is better today that it was in 1951 and he disagrees that it is in shambles. He stated that he feels he is being persecuted by being forced into an historic district and questioned whether his constitutional rights were being violated. He asked the Commission how much it was going to cost to maintain an historic district. Sandra Eskin 1047 Woodlawn: She stated thit is at people misunderstood what a historic district is and thataitewouldtin involve architecturaleupkeep ify and b t does himposeha usetuponShe peosaid She explained that the process begins when a building permit is necessary and involves the exterior only. She said that the Historic Preservation Commis- sion asks only that the design be reviewed for compatibility so that it remains representative of its period. She said that it can improve our community and prove beneficial. She stated that she had studied the case of Edgefield in Nashville, Tennessee, where a historic district resulted in an increase in property values by 35% to 75% as compared with a similar neigh- borhood whose values rose by only 12% to 14%. She stated that a historic districthat a few t assures property owners of what their neighborhoods would do. She were noted quicky a d ertwith noes have changesalready gone through the review process and Steven Kree 719 N. Johnson: Mr. Kree stated that he would like to thank the people who think ahead. He stated that he was surprised by the response to preserving the past. Bob Saunders 320 E. Fairchild: houses Mr. Saunders asked how many historic districts are in Iowa City, and how many repliedtthatcSummituStreetnd how and Woodlawn Avenue arle e two members which property owners supported the districts. Pat Eckhard 514 N. Linn: Said "Ask She stated that this situation is similar to what former President Kennedy zone would nprotect hat aoneighborhoodnand thatdo fory ou.re arehsmall thistoricadistricts in classy cities in the United States. She asked why Iowa City couldn't give something back to the people. She said that people should work together with government and stated that she was in favor of the district. John Maxwell 521 Church St.: Mr, Maxwell stated that he was totally opposed and felt that those who want it should have it. A 73 Historic Preservation Commission October 14, 1987 Page 5 John Laverty, 716 N Dubuque: Mr. Laverty, speaking for all fraternities, said that all but one is against and the district. He stated that the fraternities themselves are not that old therehis most of much red ktapeiinvolvedh and fraternity alumni. He individual choice, that the issue should stated ne that and that they would votetotopposethatmost s such a district. es are district. Politically active John Molton 630 N, Dubuque: He read a letter which was submitted to the Commissioners. He stated that he was opposed to the overlay zone and that the fraternities on Dubuque Street don't want to go through red tape for structural improvements. Margaret McDonald 615 N Oubugue: She noted that she gained ownership of her property through tenantshi stated that she takes good care of her home. P• She Of the records of the meetingShe asked the Commission if all and the City Council and if it is ossibletforPthem Planning read all itheCcomments. She stated that she would prefer to have the meeting recorded. She stated that she wants her property deleted from the d letter requesting the same. and that istrict has written a she Stanley Good 114E Fairchild: Mr, Good stated that he supports the district and feels that it will help stabilize development in the district and maintain the situation. that he feels it would enhance the value of the property, He stated Renee Jedlicka Convention and Visitors' Bureau: She stated that she is in favor of the district. She noted that they have received feedback from people who were interested in historic districts. She stated that she feels the situation is one of lack of communication. Bruce Glasgow 834 N Johnson: He stated that his home was built in 1854, He stated that he is opposed to the district. He stated that Iowa City is one million dollars in debt and that it is costing the Iowa City taxpayers money for these Commissions to meet. He stated that there had been 12 meetings already and that the issue should be shelved. He stated that the City should pay more attention to Police, fire and safety. He stated that the City Council will just say that this is another good opportunity to get more money in the form of fees. Tom Kane 620 N. Linn: Mr, Kane stated that h that evaluation by the Ce agrees with Mr. Glasgow. ommist he sion members will be subjective es whetherfeels soibor ostated arisalocreates a poblemintermsof another layer of by sOut that /( 7 R Historic Preservation Commission October 14, 1987 Page 6 will result in costing more money because the positions will eventually be paid positions. He stated that the process would be a loss of time and freedom. He stated that he feels the Commission would not readily approve an improvement and that he anticipates the Commission's answer would be no. ner so far two Appropri- ateness cane before only Commissionations concernoin a Certificate of a Summit Street Historic District and that both certificates were granted and were done so 9 properties in the Summit quickly, Eric Rosely 630 N Dubuque: ly is n a frate nit es stated He stated ethat othe fraternities alist cre mandated once a make improvements. He stated that there are too many into one of the local there should be no reason to year to which does not own the house o go have races involving now and that er toprocess involving a commission James Harris, 218 Ronalds: Mr. Harris stated that he has lived at his current address for the past two years. He stated that these buildings have an architectural meaning and that the owners should be persuaded to make improvements in keeping architectural style of the house. He stated that the common served here. He noted that it has been an American tradition for9 with the do what they want, but 50 good is being interest that zoning and years ago the Supreme Court decided in theplocal hoped there is a willingnessefor epeoplent ttolwwas importantand he felt it would increase property values. r this He stated that he John Laverty,716 N. Dubuque: Mr. Laverty stated that those individuals who want to proc- ess should be able to go to the Commission if the wgo through ish. He there is too much red tape as it is now and that these meetings have ,dragged on. He stated that he would solicit votes against this and would stated it ted that before the City,Council. Linda McGuire 618 Ronalds St.: Ms. McGuio live re stated that she has lived in Iowa City for 14 years and that she the oCommission'shleadershipbecause and abilityof itshistto lookforward. She stated that she appreciates people who own property in the district are those who want hit sand ethatathothe se who do not live there do not want it. She stated that she endorses the project and congratulates the Conmission on its perseverance. Wagner read a letter submitted by Mr. Mark Moen as requested. /470 o• 0 Historic Preservation Commission October 14, 1987 Page 7 Greg Snow, 420-422 N. Linn: Mr. Snow stated that he manages a lot of properties. He stated that people won't make any improvements to their property if an historic district overlay zone is added on top of down zoning the area. Iva Hilleman, 411 S. Summit: Mrs. Hilleman presented the Commission with a letter from Dale Yocum. Robert Pain, 421 N. Gilbert: Mr. Pain stated that he has lived in the North Side but now resides in the old Shimmy School on Governor and Dodge. He stated that people want to make money by owning apartments in the neighborhood and that they are trying to sustain their investments. He stated that there is a need for the rules of the proposed district to be simple so that everyone can understand them. He stated that he felt this law would protect people's investments and he hoped that the Commission would support it before the City Council. Barb Schwartz, 725 N. Linn: Ms. Schwartz stated that she owners her home and that she has invested a lot of money in it and asked what will happen when she goes to sell it. She asked if the historic district designation will help. She stated that she is in favor of it for non -economic reasons also. She stated that Ms. Eskins' statistics were the only evidence offered in terms of economic profit. She stated that people will find out what the implications will be only after it is implemented. She stated that the district could be repealed and that if there were complaints, they could be taken to the City Council. She stated that she would be in favor of the district and stated that there is no real evidence to show there is an 85% opposition to it. Someone from the audience asked why there couldn't be a poll. Scott stated he felt it would be unlikely that a petition would be approved which asked the City to pay for an election for a small district, of which only the property owners could vote. He stated that there are 380 properties with 389 owners. Iva Hilleman, 411 S. Summit: Ms. Hilleman asked the Commission why couldn't each property owner file their own wish. Beagle noted that the postcards that were mailed earlier were intended only to receive comments and ask questions. Scott noted that people can do a lot with statistics concerning misrepresen- tation. He stated that the majority of the cards returned were negative, but questioned how representative they are. He stated that the cards were sent out to get more information for the City Council and were never intended to be a vote for or against the issue. He stated that the purpose of the public 14 47J .o• e Historic Preservation Commission October 14, 1981 Page 8 hearing is for people to feel they are involved in the decision making proc- ess. He stated that a strong case could be built for either side. He noted that there is a significant number of the silent majority who don't have any feelings about the issue. He stated that the responsibility of the Historic Preservation Commission and the Planning and Zoning Commission is to take the public's input and make a recommendation to the City Council. He noted that it is a lengthy process because it is a political process. He stated that a recommendation was made and the issue did come before the City Council before the City Council sent the issue back to the two Commissions. Alan Widiss: Mr. Widiss asked what the significance of the postcard was and wanted to know what the Commission's new technique for property owner input was going to be that was offered at the previous public hearing. Scott stated that at the previous public hearing, the Commissions had prom- ised they would have written procedures that the Historic Preservation Com- mission would follow. He noted that a draft has been completed but has not yet been finalized. Mr. Widiss asked what triggers the extraordinary majority vote of the Coun- cil. Scott stated that 20% of the affected property owners would need to file a petition. Beagle indicated that it is owners of 20% of the property that would trigger an extraordinary majority; a six out of seven vote by the members of the City Council. Iva Hilleman, 411 S. Summit: Ms. Hilleman asked how one could arrive at 20% if the Commission won't deal with figures. Scott noted that a case could be built for either side. He stated that the written objection of the property owners would certainly be recognized by the City Council. Clark stated that he had been on the Commission since January of 1981. He stated that so long as one person was against the district, that was enough opposition for him to vote against it. John Laverty: Mr. Laverty asked how a list of the property owners could be obtained. Scott stated that the 20% rule is a state statute and that it would be best to talk to the City Attorney concerning the how to's of a petition. He stated that the City Council is informally operating on the assumption that petitions submitted would meet the 20% test. 1475 .V' Historic Preservation Commission October 14, 1987 Page 9 John Maxwell, 521 Church St.: Mr. Maxwell stated that he feels the boundaries are stretched too far and questioned how many live there want it. Clarence Havercamp 6129 N Linn: Mr. Havercamp stated that he is a native of Iowa City and that he likes the brick streets and a large front porch. He asked that when he repairs his property should he do it as cheaply as possible because the area is not designated an historic district and he is not assured of what his neighbors will do. Diane Cook, 301 Fairchild: Ms. Cook noted that there have been 12 meetings concerning this issue al- ready. She asked why the Commissions use a 36 -black area and why not a smaller area or vote street -by -street. She asked why is this issue being continued. Wagner noted that there are people in all corners of the district who are interested in it. Ms. Cook asked what effect the voices of those opposed has on the City Coun- cil. Beagle noted that the minutes of this meeting and all meetings will go to the City Council. Cecila Ridgeway, 409 Brown: Ms. Ridgeway stated that the rights of the individual are important but each individual has a neighbor. She stated that the value of our own property depends on that of our neighbor. She stated that the two are intertwined and are a collective agreement to preserve a neighborhood and the right to enjoy as well as own property. Bob Saunders: He stated that he is opposed to the district and that people can take care of their own property. He stated that he has had bad experiences with the Preucil School and CACS and it has cost a lot of legal expense and that was under historic preservation. Champion stated that it was not because of historic preservation. Dean Shannon, 122 E. Davenport: Mr. Shannon stated that he owns a four-plex building near Courier and asked why his building was being included. He stated that he did not know of any in the area that wanted to be included. He stated that he agrees with Mr. Glasgow's view that fees will be established and will then go up. He stated M /4765 o• Historic Preservation Commission October 14, 1987 Page 10 that all student housing on his block should not have been included. He asked the Commissions why continue to waste time when it should just be fought out at the City Council. Dale Earlinaton 86 Olive rr . Mr, Earlington stated that he had lived on Dubuque Street in the past and that he is currently the Chairman of the Board for a fraternity house. He stated that the fraternity is styled in 15th century architecture and that they didn't need people telling them to maintain their house, He stated that they recently spent $40,000 on improvements. He stated that he doesn't want another layer of government and that the City is heavy handed in its doesn't want ment. He related an incident of hanging storm ut on windows on the fraternity and Hee statedlthatcherdoesn'tdwant yany smore t be government supervision all windows in three thatweeks. North Side does a good job as it is with its upkeep.and the Wagner thanked everyone for coming and for their thoughtful comments. The meeting was adjourned at 9:30 p.m. 1073 mn o• MINUTES JOINT MEETING OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION J" MONDAY, OCTOBER 26, 1987 - 7:30 P.M. - PUBLIC LIBRARY, ROOM A MEMBERS PRESENT: Clark, Dierks, Hebert, Horowitz, Kern, Sierk, Vanderwoude, Wagner MEMBERS ABSENT: Champion, Cooper, Nowysz, Scott, Wallace STAFF PRESENT: Beagle, Lazenby CALLTO ORDER: Wagner called the meeting to order at 7:35 p.m. DISCUSSION OF THE PROPOSED NORTH SIDE HISTORIC DISTRICT: Horowitz moved to table the issue at the direction of the Planning and Zoning Commission Chairperson and the Historic Preservation Commission Chairperson until a compromise can be reached. She stated that a recan- the motion. . the City Council has not yet been formulated. Kern seconded the motion. The motion was opened for discussion. Dierks suggested that the guidelines be cleaned up and possibly put into intended to be a brochure form. Horowitz noted that the guidelines are Zoning working papers for the Historic Preservation Commission and Planning and stated that now ris not an and n time ot stoamake ameans decision an thisaIssue. Horowitz He Hebert stated that the Commissions should startlistening to the people. statedtthathif therethe aisrat block twhereo100 percentwoftthepeople do the district ant it then they should have it, but a 26 block area is too much. Horowitz replied that the Commissions don't know what the vast majority want, but it is probable that an equal number are in favor of the district. Hebert stated that in counting the returned postcards there were approximately 119 opposed and 52 in favor. He also noted that for the public hearing 39 letters were submitted that were opposed and two letters that were in favor of the district. Horowitz stated that those in favor of it are tired and demoralized and feel they don't have a chance. Hebert again stated that he believes the vast majority does not want the district. Kern stated that some people may think there is no reason for historic preservation. He noted that he and his family had lived at 409 E. Market for several years, had sold their house to a local doctor under the im- pression that the house would be well taken care of. He stated that when he and his family returned to Iowa City they found an apartment building where the house once stood. He stated that those people who are against historic preservation permit old houses to be destroyed in lieu of prop- erty rights. Horowitz stated that there are enough houses in the proposed North Side Historic District that they could search out which ones would be worth saving. Hebert stated that he is not against historic preservation and 14 7J MINUTES JOINT MEETING OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OCTOBER 26, 1981 PAGE 2 that f six locks wanted a district, then could heyefound inshould havewit hich He statednthat ah h26 peole area is too big and the Commissions can't shove the issue down the pub- lic's throat. Horowitz noted that it is the charter of the Historic Preservation Commission to propose historic districts. Hebert said that people should work through the National Historic Register then. Clark stated that he is totally against the proposed district and as with Hebert, if all the people want it that would be okay. Clark said he was willing to make a motion as the district stands and send it back to the City Council. He stated that the Planning and Zoning Commission agenda had more on it than just the discussion of the district and felt that it has become a waste of time and the Commissions have reached an impasse. Horowitz stated that the Commissions don't have a recommendation formu- lated yet. Wagner asked the Commission members to take seriously their charter of dedication to the renovation of historical homes. Kern noted that a majority of the Historic Preservation Commission is willing to make com- promises and that it would be an error to send the issue back to the City Council now. Sierk stated that it should be tabled and the Commissions should get on with other things. She stated that it is not time to throw it away nor is it time to give it back to the City Council. Sierk sug- gested that the Commissions try to educate the public more and try to clear up the misunderstandings people have. Horowitz restated her motion that the proposed North Side Historic Dis- trict be tabled until a time, to be designated at the discretion of both chairpersons of the Planning and Zoning Commission and the Historic Pres- ervation Commission, that the Commissions are able to work out a compro- mise over the district boundaries. Kern seconded the motion. The motion carried 6-2 with Clark and Hebert dissenting. Horowitz urged the Commissions to work on getting a final draft of the district guidelines completed. Wagner asked how the guidelines could be publicized. Dierks and Sierk suggested that they could be published in the local newspaper. Clark stated that if people don't hear what they want, they don't hear anything. the district Horowitz stated that she cannot believe some of the misconceptions about the Commissions let these has heard from the homes public' Wagner stated that if back. Dierks noted that many of the strongestheopponentswill eare absentee landlords. Clark stated that a significant number of people who live there don't want it. He stated that the Historic Preservation Commission has lived up to its charge. Kern noted that in the course of the democratic process there are adjust- ments. He stated that the process of give and take. has should continue. started and it ertyOpposethe district, it whiall triggero n extrao20 percent of thety ofrop- • the City Council. He stated that he too has heard wild stories about painting /4 XJ .o• F� MINUTES JOINT MEETING OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OCTOBER 26, 1987 PAGE 3 regulations that would be imposed and he noted that these are not true. Hebert asked how will that 20 percent be heard. Wagner stated that the letters received are numbered and given to the City Council. Clark asked if a petition was necessary for the City Council. Horowitz cautioned people about signing petitions based on bad experiences others have had in the past. Wagner noted that there had been a telephone survey recently and that it did not originate from the Historic Preservation Commission. She told people to be cautious about it and that people should inquire as to who is doing the survey. Beagle stated that each Commission would have to announce independently in their agendas when the Commissions would next address the issue at a future determined meeting if it is to be taken off the table. Dierks moved to adjourn the meeting. Horowitz seconded the motion. The nation carried unanimously. The meeting adjourned at 8:00 p.m. Minutes submitted by Mary Lazenby. /6763