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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2002-11-04 TranscriptionNovember 4, 2002 Council Work Session Page November 4, 2002 Council Work Session 6:40 PM Absent: Pfab Council: Champion, Kanner, Lehman, O'Doanell, Vanderhoef, Wilburn Staff: Atkins, Dilkes, Franklin, Helling, Kart TAPE: 02-83, SIDE 2 ADDITIONS TO AGENDA Lehman/Tomorrow night first? Karr/Yes, this is (can't hear) the Agenda item Consent Calendar item number (3) e (7). It's a resolution approving the exterior signage to Garners in the Old Capitol Town Center on Clinton Street, and the Design Review Committee reviewed the application and with a consensus vote of 3 to 0, recommends approval. And they'd like to approve it at the Council meeting tomorrow evening to allow the vendor an opportunity to sign a lease before the 15th. Wilburn/OK. Lehman/OK. REVIEW ZONING ITEMS Lehman/OK. ITEM 5 a. CONSIDER A MOTION SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR NOVEMBER 19 ON AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CITY CODE SECTION 14-16-K-1, TItE SENSITIVE AREAS ORDINANCE, REGARDING REQUIREMENTS FOR SENSITIVE AREAS OVERLAY REZONINGS AND SENSITIVE AREAS SITE PLANS. Franklin/Quite quick. Item a is setting a public hearing for November 19th on Sensitive Areas Ordinance. This is the amendment that was directed by the City Council. b. PUBLIC HEARING ON AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 14 ENTITLED "UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE," CHAPTER 6, ENTITLED "ZONING," ARTICLE U, ENTITLED "ADMINISTRATION AND ENFORCEMENTs" SECTION 7 ENTITLED "VIOLATIONS AND PENALTIES" TO INCREASE TIlE MUNICIPAL INFRACTION CIVIL FINES FOR VIOLATING THE ZONING CODE. Franklin/Item b is a public hearing to put the Municipal Infraction civil fines in the Zoning Ordinance. I don't know--there's not much to say about that. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City Council Meeting of November 4, 2002.. November 4, 2002 Council Work Session Page 2 c. AN ORDINANCE TO VACATE THE NORTHERN TWO FEET OF BENTON STREET BEGINNING 60 FEET EAST OF GILBERT STREET AND ENDING AT MALDEN LANE. (VAC-02-0005) Franklin/Item c is a public hearing and first consideration because the applicant has requested expedited consideration on our ordinance to vacate the northern two feet of Benton Street beginning 60 feet east of Gilbert Street and ending at Maiden Lane. Champion/I didn't get a chance to drive over there, Karin. Where exactly is that? Franklin/Let's see, how best to describe it. It is--do you know where Steve's Typewriter is? Champion/Yup. Franklin/OK. It's just south of Steve's Typewriter. On the corner of Gilbert and Benton. O'Donnell/(Can't hear) little grocery store there. Lehman/I guess. They're changing the use of the building and they need more parking. Champion/Yeah. Franklin/Yeah. Lehman/Without this, they can't meet the requirements. Franklin/This is Benton Street here. Gilbert is over on this side. And they just need additional space to put in the parking so that they can add another use to this building, that use being a restaurant. I think it's a Jimmy John's. So, it's fairly simple. Lehman/OK. Franklin/This piece that's going to be vacated will stay in grass even though it's vacated. Cars will just hang over the edge. There'll be bumper stops. Vanderhoef/Karin, the land that the City wants for the future use possibly of a stoplight and so forth, are we doing a straight-out trade for that or are we selling this piece if we vacate it? Franklin/No, what we're doing at this point is we're just--I wonder what I did--what we're doing is ensuring that this particular action does not get in the way of any future plans for Gilbert Street, but we' re not doing any kind of trade now. Vanderhoef/But is that in the agreement? There was something in the P and Z minutes talking about that and I ~vas not real clear. Franklin/I'm not aware of there being anything in the agreement. Do you know, Eleanor? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City Council Meeting of November 4, 2002.. November 4, 2002 Council Work Session Page 3 Dilkes/I (can't hear)--- Vanderhoef/It has to do with the comer that may need to have work done on it at a later date, possibly for a light at Gilbert and Benton, and there was some discussion in the P and Z minutes about that a certain amount of property would come to the City. Dilkes/Well, there's an exchange being--the terms of the disposition are for an exchange of a piece of her property for this property. Vanderhoef/OK. So, it's an exchange and no--- Franklin/ On Gilbert Street? Dilkes/Yeah, look at the--- Franklin/I'm Iooking in the--- Dilkes/...toward the resolution setting the--- Franklin/Are you working on the conveyance already? Dilkes/Yeah, because they've requested expedited consideration, so--- Franklin/ But that's not in tonight's packet, is the conveyance. Lehman/No. Franklin/No. Dilkes/No, it's not. I'll have to take a look at it and get back and let you know tomorrow. Unless I'm thinking of a different conveyance, but I thitxk this is the one. Just a minute, let me~-- Franklin/It's not in the packet. Dilkes/No, I was going to look at the minutes. Franklin/Don? Don's here from P an Z. I would much--- Anciaux/This is going offofmy recollection completely, which is probably erroneous, but it seems to me like the vacation was just an error and they maybe wanted a couple more feet on the other side. They're going to put a compact car on the left-hand side, and we were retaining all that property there. I don't think there was--I don't remember any kind of--- Franklin/ Any kind of swap that had to do with Gilbert Street. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the lowa City Council Meeting of November 4, 2002.. November 4, 2002 Council Work Session Page 4 Don/No, I don't remember any s~vap at all on this one. Lehman/OK. Franklin/OK. d. CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE CHANGING THE ZONING DESIGNATION FROM 1) H1GH DENSITY MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, RM-44, TO MEDIUM DENSITY MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL~ RM-20 WITH A CONDITIONAL ZONING AGREEMENT, FOR AN 8.69-ACRE PROPERTY LOCATED NORTH OF HIGHWAY 1 AND WEST OF MILLER AVENUE; 2) COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL, CC-2, TO MEDIUM DENSITY MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, RM-20 WITH A CONDITIONAL ZONING AGREEMENT, FOR A 1.45-ACRE PROPERTY LOCATED NORTH OF HIGHWAY 1 AND WEST OF MILLER AVENUE; AND 3) MEDIUM DENSITY SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, RS-8, TO COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL, CC-2, FOR A 1.45- ACRE PROPERTY LOCATED NORTH OF HIGHWAY 1 AND WEST OF MILLER AVENUE. (REZ02-00013) (PASS AND ADOPT) Franklin/OK Going on to the next item then. This is the pass and adopt on the rezoning for the Ruppert property. e. CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE VACATING PORTIONS OF THE HARRISON STREET AND PRENTISS STREETS RIGHTS-OF-WAY AND AN ADJOINING ALLEYWAY, WEST OF MADISON STREET. (VAC02-00004) (PASS AND ADOPT) Franklin/Item e is pass and adopt on the vacation of the Harrison and Prentiss Streets rights-of- way for the University, or as requested by the University. L CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE VACATING PORTIONS OF FRONT STREET AND PRENTISS STREET GENERALLY LOCATED SOUTH OF BURLINGTON STREET AND WEST OF MADISON STREET. (VAC02-00002) (PASS AND ADOPT) Franklin/Item fis the ordinance vacating portions of Front Street and Prentiss, pass and adopt. g. CONVEYANCE OF VACATED PORTIONS OF RIGHT-OF-WAY ALONG SOUTH FRONT STREET, THE 100 BLOCK OF WEST PRENTISS STREET, THE 100 BLOCK OF WEST HARRISON STREET AND THE ALLEY BETWEEN THE 100 BLOCKS OF WEST PRENTISS AND WEST HARRISON STREET TO THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA/IOWA STATE BOARD OF REGENTS, WITHOUT COMPENSATION. Franklin/And then you have the conveyance setting the--or having the public hearing on the conveyance of those rights-of-way directly to the University at no cost to the University. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City Council Meeting of November 4, 2002.. November 4, 2002 Council Work Session Page 5 h. CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE VACATING THE TWENTY-THREE-FOOT-WIDE GRAND AVENUE COURT RIGHT-OF-WAY, COMMENCING FROM THE NORTH RIGHT-OF-WAY LINE OF MELROSE AVENUE AND EXTENDING NORTHWARD FOR A DISTANCE OF TWO HUNDRED NINETY-FIVE FEET. (PASS AND ADOPT) i. CONVEYANCE OF THE 23-FOOT WIDE GRAND AVENUE COURT RIGHT-OF- WAY, COMMENCING FROM THE NORTH RIGHT-OF-WAY LINE OF MELROSE AVENUE AND EXTENDING NORTHWARD FOR A DISTANCE OF 295 FEET, TO THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA. j. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE FINAL PLAT OF SILVERCREST RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY, PART 22 IOWA CITY~ IOWA. (SUB02-00017) Franklin/Item h is the pass and adopt on Grand Avenue Court and the conveyance that you just considered at your special meeting. And then item j should be indefinitely deferred. We're having some issues with the legal papers and the construction drawing. Lehman/OK. Franklin/So that's it. Vanderhoef/That was quick. Wilburn/Unbelievable. Lehman/Yeah, it is, kind of. AGENDA ITEMS Lehman/Kind of lost my agenda. OK. Agenda items. Thank you, Karin. If there's anything for Karin, let's-it'd be nice to ask her now because she really needs to get home. There's a program on TV at 7:00 o'clock that she really, really, really doesn't want to miss after she has her chicken noodle soup. (Laughter) Vanderhoef/Is it "JAG"? Franklin/Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Vanderhoef/Is it "JAG"? Franklin/No, that's on Tuesday nights, Dee. (Laughter) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City Council Meeting of November 4, 2002.. November 4, 2002 Council Work Session Page 6 Wilbmm/Monday night--- ITEM NO 6. PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO IOWA CITY'S 2001-2006 CONSOLIDATED PLAN (CITY STEPS) Franklin/Oh, one thing I would like to mention about the City Steps. This is a little bit different in terms of procedure than ~vhat you normally have. This is a public heating in which you may get input about changes to City Steps and--- Wilburn/I'm going to step away from the table. This is Councilor Wilburn. Franklin/Oh, sorry. Should have warned you. If there is a proposed change to City Steps that the Council wishes to consider that's brought to you by the public and/or you wish to consider the recommendation of HCDC to change the way the economic development funds are allocated, you should continue the public hearing to the 19th, and then the resolution will be on the 19th. Lehman/If there are no changes, we can close the public hearing and it's over. Otherwise we continue--- Franklin/Correct. Lehman/Now, if the Council is interested in making changes, do we make amendments tomorrow night or do we just--- Franklin/You should voice what those potential changes would be and continue your public hearing. Lehman/All right. Thank you. Champion/But if we're not going to take their recommendation we do not have to continue the public hearing. Lehman/Right.. Franklin/No, you do not. CONSENT CALENDAR 3d(1). CONSIDER A RESOLUTION OF INTENT TO CONVEY APPROXIMATELY 200 SQUARE FEET OF BENTON STREET RIGHT-OF-WAY TO KATHLEEN A. STEVE, AND SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING ON SAID CONVEYANCE FOR NOVEMBER 19, 2002. Dilkes/Before Karin moves, can I back up to the question Dee raised? We are setting a public hearing on that conveyance; it's on the Consent Calendar under d. (1), and it does provide for an exchange, 220 square feet. I don't know if that answers your question, Dee. There's some information in the staff report about--- This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City Council Meeting of November 4, 2002.. November 4, 2002 Council Work Session Page 7 Vanderhoef/I just want to know if there's money, so if they're going to buy one (can't hear-- selling?) Dilkes/There's some information in the staff report that addresses the need to widen it and that staff has been assured that that won't be a problem. Lehman/OK. Vanderhoef/But we don't know whether we're going to exchange money or just exchange land. Dilkes/We're exchanging land as I understand it. Lehman/Exchange land. Vanderhoef/Exchange land, for sure? Franklin/But we don't know what yet. Lehman/OK. Franklin/Yes. Vanderhoef/But we will. Franklin/I'm done. Lehman/OK, Karin, you are excused, thank you. Other agenda items? CONSENT CALENDAR 3f(2). CORRESPONDENCE FROM PAUL ROLLINS (GROUND ROUND) REGARDING SMOKING ORDINANCE Karmer/You've got correspondence f (2) in the Consent Calendar. We got some correspondence from the Ground Round, which I think makes sense, and I'd like us to consider their proposal. This is about eliminating the new restaurant exemption from the smoking ban. Champion/I didn't realize they even had that. Lehman/I didn't either. Champion/None of us, I think, realized we had it (can't hear). Karmer/So, the point they were making is that it gives the new restaurants an advantage over an established one. And it does make sense to me that they wait to a year, they get the ban and then if they meet--- Lehman/Come in, please. This represents only a reasonably accurate h'anscription of the Iowa City Council Meeting of November 4, 2002.. November 4, 2002 Council Work Session Page 8 Wilburn/I stepped away due to a conflict of interest or the appearance of conflict of interest with that item. Champion/Welcome back. Wilburn/Thanks. Kanner/Ross, I was talking about correspondence from the Ground Round, f. (2), about changing the smoking ban. They talked about, again, the uneven playing field in a sense, that the new restaurant is allowed to have an exemption for a year instead of immediately being a part of the ban, and then after a year evaluating where they're at. So, I'm pointing it out to the Council to bring that up for consideration. Champion/I think they have to call themselves a restaurant or a bar. Dilkes/Wait a minute. Let me just remind you what you did and this is a subject of--remember ~ve just did that amendment to make it clear that you only get one temporary exemption. New establishments or establishments making a change in operation that they anticipate will change their percentage of alcohol sales are entitled to that one-year exemption. If you would eliminate that then--and remember we don't talk about restaurant; we don't define restaurants, we don't define bars--what we say is "food establishments," which is any place that serves or prepares food, is covered unless you have an exemption. So, if you kick it in for all food establishments immediately, that will cover any establishment including ones that we now cai1 quote "bars," by way of the exemption. And there would be no smoking in any establishment that served or prepared food. Champion/OK. You're by Eleanor. That clarifies it. Dilkes/OK, so I guess if you want to talk about it in more detail, we can and you should schedule it for a future ~vork session, but it's not just as easy as eliminating the exemption, I think. Vanderhoef/You say that if it's a brand new establishment, is there any way that we can do specifically for brand new establishment? Dilkes/Well, I think--- Vanderhoef/It would be different than what we have on the one-year exemption? Dilkes/Uh-huh (negative). The purpose of my response was simply to remind you that if you do what the gentleman is suggesting, just get rid of that temporary one-year exception for new establishments, and the purpose of that is so they can see what their numbers are, whether they fall--- Vanderhoeff I understand that. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City Council Meeting of November 4, 2002.. November 4, 2002 Council Work Session Page 9 Dilkes/OK, but if you'd simply eliminate that, then any place, bars or restaurants that serve food will be covered immediately by the smoking ban. You kind of flip-flop it. In other words, the presumption is you're covered, and then in a year, if you're not, you can file your affidavit. Lehman/A new bar, for example, that's going to serve 10 percent food, if we flipped it, aren't they allowed to have smoking until the end of one year when they could show by their books that their revenue was over 50 percent alcohol? Dilkes/Right. Lehman/OK. Dilkes/I just, I think--I'm just pointing out that it's just not that simple. You need to talk about it, and we can have that discussion, and you should schedule it for down the road if you want to. Vanderhoef/I guess I would like you to think about how it might be worded that it's different from new versus--- Lehman/Do we want to put this out for a work session? Champion/I'm not interested. O'Donnell/I'm not either. Wilburn/Not either. Dilkes/OK. Champion/I think she's made it quite clear that it is more complicated than it appears. Lehman/All right. Any other agenda items? COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS: AIRPORT ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT (1); AIRPORT ZONING COMMISSION (2) Lehman/OK, we do not have any appointments. 2003 COUNCIL MEETING SCHEDULE Lehman/My gosh, we are at the Council meeting schedule, Marian. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City Council Meeting of November 4, 2002.. November 4, 2002 Council Work Session Page I0 Karr/I distributed a proposed 2003 meeting schedule. Basically, it is twofold. One it returned to the first and third Tuesday, your regular meetings, and also included a proposed budget work session schedule. Again, I'm not wedded to it, but I thought it would be helpful just to throw some dates out there and have you look at your calendars and we could talk about it today. Lehman/All right. Let's--- Vanderhoef/Where was the suggested--I've got--- Champion/Yeah, I missed that. Karr/Right in front of that. Karmer/Number 2. Vanderhoef/Oh, got it. There it is. OK. Lehman/Monday, January 6th. Karr/The 6th and the 7th were the quote "traditional" regular work session/formal, and I had inserted a potential for the 13th and 14th to be budget work sessions. Whether they are during the day or the evening is entirely up to you. I simply stayed with the Monday- Tuesday scheduling. A City holiday is the 20th, so I combined the work session and the formal meeting. The 27th and 28th again is just the third and fourth normally scheduled budget work session. Champion/ What are we going to do about budget work sessions? Can we schedule a few of them in the daytime? Lehman/Yep. We can do whatever we want. Kart/Should we take--does everyone agree with returning to the first and third Tuesday for formal meetings? So we're OK there? OK. The 13th and 14th is budget work session. They could be during the day, the evening. It's entirely up to you. Vanderhoef/I'm open to either day or evening. So--- Lehman/ Well, the 13th, 14th, and 27th and 28th, is that right? Karr/Mm-hmm. Vanderhoef/No, there's another--- Champion/No, those are the four. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City Council Meeting of November 4, 2002.. November 4, 2002 Council Work Session Page 11 Kan'/13, 14, 27, and 28. I had suggested the 28th be a 7:00 o'clock in the evening one because that right now is scheduled for Board, Commission, and Organizational Budgets, and that seems to work better in the evening. Other than that, 13, 14, and 27 could be day or evening. Vanderhoef/You folks that have day jobs, you call it. Champion/Oh, go ahead. Kanner/Mondays are out for me in the daytime. Vanderhoef/Daytime? Lehman/It's better for me at night, too. Champion/Mondays? Lehman/Yep. Champion/Could we do the Tuesday ones in the morning? Karr/So, 13 and 27--should we leave it at 6:30 or 7:00; 6:30, maybe, start a little earlier? Champion/Yeah. Karr/So, January 13th and the 27th at 6:30. And then you've got the 14th--that's a Tuesday. O'Donnell/You want that one during the day? Champion/Seven in the morning. O'Donnell/Seven in the morning? Get real. (Laughter) Vanderhoeff You want us to really be with it. Karmer/All right. It's on January 14th? Karr/Correct. Champion/Yeah. Let's start at 7:00 so we don't ruin our--our whole day isn't occupied. We can still get to work by 11:00 or 12:00, and---. (Laughter) This represents only a reasonably accurate n-anscription of the Iowa City Council Meeting of November 4, 2002.. November 4, 2002 Council Work Session Page 12 O'Donnell/How many hours are we scheduling? Champion/It's four, isn't it? Vanderhoef/Well, 8:00 to 12:00 is four. Kanner/Keep in mind we're meeting the night before, not only for us, but also the staff coming in late and then having to come in early the next day. Champion/I'd love to get up and get going in the morning. (Laughter) Vanderhoef/Get out of here; you lie a lot. (Laughter) O'Donnell/Why don't we do something like 9:00 to 12:00 or something? Champion/Nine is a little late, don't you think? O'Donnell/I think it's just peffect. Champion/I'm open to anything. Vanderhoef/That will give staff at least an hour to get prepared for--- Lehman/Ross, what is best for you in early morning? Is that a problem? (Laughter) Wilbum/On Mondays and Tuesdays, that's fine. Lehman/I mean, I think 8:00 o'clock is a good idea. Wilbum/Mm-hmm. Vanderhoef/8:00 or 9:00, whatever. Ross, can you get your kids? Wilburn/I'd been out with them Monday or Tuesday, so it's fine, either time. O'Donnell/Why don't we do a three-hour one though? Champion/8:00 to 11:007 O'Donnei1/I'm still kind of pushing, kind of pushing that 9:00 to noon. VanderhoefJ So am I. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City Council Meeting of November 4, 2002.. November 4, 2002 Council Work Session Page 13 Kanner/What about Wednesday, the 15th? Kart/Instead of the 14th, Steven? Karmer/Yeah, the 14th. Vanderhoef/Daytime on the 15th? Karmeff Daytime on Wednesday, the 15th. Vanderhoef/I can do that. Kanner/And maybe we can come at 8:00 o'clock, if it'd be all right with you? Karr/8:00 to noon, 8:00 to 11:007 Vanderhoef/Or go 8:00 to 12:00 and if we're done at 11:00, you know, we'll leave. Karr/We've got a list of my schedule. (Laughter) Lehman/So what we're really talking now is 13th, 15th, 27th, and 28th--is that what I'm hearing? Champion/Uh-huh (positive). Kart/So the 27th is 6:30 and the 28th, we'll leave that at 7:00 p.m.? And I'll revise the schedule and hand it out tomorrow night. Vanderhoef/Monday at 6:30 and--- Kanner/Was the 28th at 7:00? Lehman/It would seem to me if we're going to do it in the evening, we can probably start it a little before--at least 6:30. Karr/Well, I think you can start whatever time you'd like. Lehman/Well, we always run out of time on these things anyway and the later it gets--I mean, we're going to use--- Karr/Do you want to start at 5:30? Lehman/I don't know, but I really would start before 7:00. O'Donnell/About 6:30.6:30 is fine. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City Council Meeting of November 4, 2002.. November 4, 2002 Council Work Session Page 14 Vanderhoef/Both nights, the 27th and 28th. O'Donnell/It gives time to go home and have a sandwich. Karr/OK. Lehman/So the 13th is at 6:30? Karr/The 13th, the 27th, and the 28th are all 6:30. Lelunan/That beats at 8:00 o'clock in the morning. Wilburn/OK. Karr/The 15th. Lehman/All right. Champion/OK, what about--are we going to have it, well--- Lehman/ 13th, 15th, 27th, and 28th. Champion/I'll bring some peanut butter. Lehman/I'll bring a toaster. (Laughter) O'Dormell/At 8:00 o'clock in the morning? Champion/No, no, at 6:30, if I leave work at 6:00, then I really don't have time to, you know, I can stop at--- O'Dormell/Peanut butter just kind of sounded good for breakfast though. Champion/It is good on toast. Lehman/OK. Kanner/And then the 21 st, is everyone all right with the double session? Champion/I am--are you OK with that? Wilburn/That's fine. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City Council Meeting of November 4, 2002.. November 4, 2002 Council Work Sessim~ Page 15 Vanderhoef/I really hate them. Kanner/What time would we start? Karr/Well, we typically, if it's OK for the Council for a double session, we wait to see what the agenda looks like. If we need to start earlier, is there a--- Kanner/It's hard before 5:30. Oh, no, no, Tuesday--that would be OK. Champion/We (can't hear) usually start before 5:30. Kanner/I could go eat earlier. Vanderhoef/But if we're doing both work session and formal, this depends on how much stuff we have to do at in formal. Champion/You know, I think we talk to fill the time available (can't hear). Lehman/Well, if we're going to do both, we're going to start before 5:30, depending on what's on the agenda. Vanderhoef/4:30, so we can have a break between? Lehman/Well, I think the agenda is going to dictate what time we start. We'll know that later. Kanner/But everyone's comfortable with doing a double one? Champion/Yeah, no problem with that. Vanderhoef/I'd rather not, but I will do it. Wilbum/So the holiday remains a holiday. Vanderhoef/And I don't want staff to come in on holiday. Wilburn/OK. Or early morning. Vanderhoef/Martin Luther King. Lehman/OK? Vanderhoef/Which means that's the opening of classes that week. Lehman/None of us are in class so it's probably going to work. O'Donnell/Oh, but you've got--- This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City Council Meeting of November 4, 2002.. November 4, 2002 Council Work Session Page 16 Vanderhoef/But I have to work on that Tuesday. You're welcome to--- O'Donnell/...the great world of work. (Laughter) O'Dormell/You have a day job that day? Vanderhoef/I have a day job that day, golly, Moses. (Laughter) Kanner/And then I would ask that we--I haven't gotten the date for--there's a couple major holidays that I celebrate in April and September and October, I think by tomorrow I can get those--- Wilburn/OK. And November, that will be Election Day. Champion/We can always--- (Can't hear) COUNCIL TIME Lehman/OK, guys. Council time? We are out of here, guys, it's 7:00 o'clock. O'Donnell/Let's try and encourage everybody to be efficient tomorrow night so we can get home and watch the returns. Lehman/So we can see which one of the criminals gets elected? O'Donnell/And ifI get any more calls from those campaign (can't hear) Vanderhoef/Did I hear you say that? Lehman/Yeah, I watch the ads. (Laughter) Vanderhoef/That's awful. Champion/I've never seen such (can't hear) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City Council Meeting of November 4, 2002..