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City Council Work Session
Council Present: Botchway, Cole, Dickens, Mims, Taylor, Thomas, Throgmorton
Staff Present: Fruin, Monroe, Andrew, Dilkes, Voparil, Boothroy, Seydell-Johnson,
Yapp, Havel, Rummel, Bockenstedt, Fruehling
Others Present: Simpson, Nelson (UISG)
Annual update from the Iowa City Area Development Group (ICAD):
Throgmorton/ First topic is an annual update from the Iowa City Area Development Group
(ICAD) Hi, Mark Nolte! (several talking)
Nolte/ Uh, good evening! Just wanted to come and give you our annual update, uh, on the work
we're doin' and, uh, some of the feedback from the companies we're interviewed about,
uh, Iowa City and the business climate. Um, I'll wait till that starts, but .... um....
Throgmorton/ Be patient! (several talking)
Nolte/ Okay! (laughter and several talking) Okay, you can see it! Okay! So, uh, just ... as a
recap for the public, uh, Iowa City Area Development Group, we spun off of the
Chamber back in 1984 and we focus on the inter -state commerce companies. So, while
the Chamber and Downtown District and others work on local businesses, we focus on
those businesses that can be located anywhere but .... but choose to be here. So that runs
the gamut from Procter and Gamble and Oral-B, and ACT, down to a small start-up tech
company. So .... those businesses are bringing outside revenue in and creating
employment that way, as opposed to serving a local market. That's.... that's where we
delineate from the Chamber. And, uh, we have a team of six right now. We've got a
great, uh, great staff in place, and to date we work in, uh, five-year increments, and to
date we've helped over .... helped create over 1,700 jobs in the area. That's about 20
expansion projects, nine recruitments, and we've worked with more than 20 start-ups.
Start-up number is always a little flexible cause they come and go, and some don't make
it, and some pivot, so.....it's hard to have a firm number on there. We are working on a
few, uh, significant expansion projects right now. One that we're very close to
announcing, that's been working very close with staff, that, uh, will be very exciting, and
that'll be a national project when it's announced, but ... we're really excited that .... it
sounds like it's getting very close to being public. Of the companies we work with that
we surveyed this year, uh, they plan to add 1,623 new positions in the next few years.
They had 471 unfilled positions. The interesting thing about that 2,000 or so positions is
that .... is half require a high school or associate's degree. So we've got ... we'll talk about
this a little more ... but we've got a little bit of a misalignment with what we're sometimes
producing through our higher education institutions and what our employers are looking
for. And that's.....that's one of the bottlenecks in our workforce. But we asked, um, the
companies to, uh, about 105 different questions every year, and were able to analyze this
information and so that blue line, that first blue line, those are just the companies in Iowa
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City that we've surveyed, and so when you look at the performance of those companies,
you'll see, uh, in almost every category they're out -pacing, uh, state and national norms,
and sometimes in a large way. Uh, plans to expand being the biggest one. So ... only
about half the companies in the State of Iowa, uh, plan to add jobs and .... and capital
investment in the next few years, but 80% of Iowa City companies do. So .... that's a
great trend. The challenge is that 93% are indicating there's a challenge with finding the
workforce. So, but .... as these numbers show, that's a national phenomenon as well. So
while we are lamenting some of these workforce challenges that growing metros like ours
across the country are having some of the same issues. Quality of the local workforce is
higher than the national averages, um, when you look at employee stability and
productivity, that's where you get into some of the ... the areas where we've got some
work to do in the workforce on the training side.
Throgmorton/ Mark, what's the scale, the vertical scale?
Nolte/ It's a 1 to 7 Likert scale, so we ask the executive or the plant manager how satisfied are
you with these categories. Uh, this is .... we'll send you a breakdown with more data on
this too, if you want, but we asked a variety of, um, different topics about the community.
Then we kind of...uh, amalgamate those into, uh, these subheadings, but the bottom
line... is that companies in Iowa City are very happy. You look at that last slide,
business support, governmental services. Companies in Iowa City are happy with the
business climate. So ... sometimes there's this narrative that, you know, Iowa City's not
friendly to business or something like that. It's just not ... does not bear out with the
executives and ... and the plant managers that we talked to. There's a lot of satisfaction
with ... with the community as a place to do business, a place to grow. They feel like
they're supported from ... from the City staff they work with, uh, policies, that sort of
thing. So ... urn .... the bottom line is these companies like being here. They want to grow
here. Uh, the challenge remains that the workforce side. So when you kind of look at the
SWOT analysis, very similar to what we showed you last year, what we hear, uh, qualify
of life, good schools. Uh, there's some concerns about that right now. Uh, the, uh, some
of the challenges going on in Des Moines around public education. Uh, we're .... we're
hearing that from .... from our companies. They see the long and short-term effects of
some of those decisions. Uh, the biggest weakness and threat is the...their lack of the
workforce with the right skills, and so that's why we're tryin' to do some things
differently, like the MERGE space, uh, start to get things in a different career path that
more aligns with the companies that we've got and the jobs where we see coming down
the road. Some of the biggest threats we see, some of `em are a little more existential.
The role of automation, artificial intelligence. These things are happening very quickly.
We've got companies that are engaged in this right now, you know, even companies like,
you know, ACT are looking at the role of virtual reality as it comes to testing, right. Will
the number 2 pencil be the predominant way that the ACT is administered, or will it be
done in some different.... type of technological capacity. So, how do we position this
community to be on the front end of some of these changes as opposed to being
threatened, uh, by some of the things that we know are coming. Um ... a lot of concern
right now with .... with the health of the University, and ... and the changes that might be
coming there due to budget cuts at the State. We know that the health of the community
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largely depends on the health of the University of Iowa, and uh.... as strong as the
business community is around that, we know that home values, property taxes —
everything — uh, could be affected there. So we're watching that .... those very closely,
trying to do all that we can to assist the University, and uh.... but it's ... it's a concern, uh,
as I'm sure everyone in the community is concerned with. So, biggest threat is the
inability to grow the workforce as quickly as we need, but some of the things that we've
talked about in the past — lack of workforce housing, some of the transportation barriers —
are being addressed and we're starting to see those changes now and the satisfaction of
the employers that we're talking to. They're seeing these projects come out of the
ground -out of the ground. They're seeing the ... the ride -sharing options, the Zip cars,
some of the things that you've been working on for the past few years. So .... there's a lot
of positive energy, a lot of...of, uh, optimism out there that we're gonna.... we're gonna
have the kind of workforce housing that we need in the next few years, urn .... so.....by
and large it's .... it's, you know, we're very excited. It's a great community for these
companies. We're blessed with the ... the diversity of the type of companies that we have,
and their ability to grow, and the interest in new companies to form here, but we've gotta
be ever mindful of some of these other issues that are coming down the road. So .... uh,
we are engaged in a regional plan, trying to, you know, think past our borders and how do
we fight some of these larger challenges together. We have a joint venture that .... that's
kind of struggling to get off the ground with the folks in Cedar Rapids, so ... uh, we'll talk
a little bit (mumbled) more of that if you're coming to our investor update meeting
tomorrow, but .... one of these things we've gotta figure out. There's a lot of pride in ... in
the individual communities in this region and how do we transfer some of that into more
regional pride, because the days of competing against each other are behind us. Now it's
how do we align our resources and our skills to compete together against, you know,
some of these broader changes out there. So, it...it remains a struggle, um, there's no
easy shortcut on that. It takes time to build the trust and relationships necessary, so....
Uh, collaboration with partners is great. We, you know, the Downtown District, the
Chamber, the CVB, there's a lot of coordination and ... and kindred spirit between our
organizations and we're lookin' at doing some things differently, um, in how we market
collectively and .... and some of the tools that we're using. So for instance, we're... we're
looking at jointly buying some 360 -degree cameras so we can shoot, uh.... uh, in virtual
reality basically. So we can ... we can have content so those individuals that have never
stepped foot in Iowa, we can say `this is what it's like to live in Iowa City,' that sort of
thing. So .... uh, there is a group of entrepreneurs from Los Angeles that we spoke with
recently and they .... honest go god, asked if we drive tractors. (laughter) So, that's the
kind of perception, you know, it's funny but (several talking) they really think that! So if
we can use some of these new tools and kind of be on the front end of that, to show them
this is what ... what's going on here and so highlight things like Mission Creek Festival
and some of the things that we're doing, because when we get people to come here, they
realize it's a very special place. We've got a new individual that, uh, he and his wife
were moving here and he was the head of eBay's, uh, Asian operation. So he's lived in
Singapore. He's lived all over the world. He's blown away by this community, but he's
like I didn't even know where Iowa was, until we moved here, you know, so he's a
Hawkeye by marriage, he'll say (laughter) So it's .... what more can we do to change that
perception and get people thinkin' about this place, and then get people to come back, uh,
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after they've graduated from here. We know they want to leave for a few years, go to
Chicago — a larger metro, that sort of thing — but kind of this narrative: how do we get
people to skip the Chicago suburbs when they're ready to have a family and .... and so
those are the things we're trying to figure out how to marketly... how to market jointly
with the CVB and .... and our regional partners and that sort of thing. And then the
MERGE space and we can't thank you enough for your unwavering support of this.
We've hit some bumps in the road along the way, but things are moving along nicely.
Uh, they were in there — that picture on the right is from today. They finished the ... the,
um ... mudding, I don't know what the technical term is. The skin coat, and uh, they should
be able to start painting, uh, by the end of this week, and so then it's a matter of some
doors and carpet and some furniture and we .... we, I believe we'll be open by .... if not
April 1, early April. Uh, we've got all but four of the offices rented right now. Uh, so
it'll open... fairly full. It'll feel pretty vibrant. We've got a robust schedule of activities
that are going to take place in there, and again, we really see this as kind of being the hub
of innovation and the living room of the community, and we want to welcome a lot of
different type of diverse programs to get people out of their silos and bumping into each
other and talking about different things that they can collaborate on, so.... It's comin'
along! And then I'm gonna turn it over to Kate to talk about some of the other initiatives
that she's been leading.
Moreland/ So like Mark said, I think the workforce issues really remain, uh, top of everyone's
mind, and being a community that's really easy to connect in, uh, really can retain talent
here. So we're trying to do more programming with, uh, trailing spouses and people that
are new to the area, making sure we connect them to the right resources, and we work a
lot, Simon Andrew is on the, uh, International Welcoming Committee. I want to
commend the Council for your, uh, work with the immigrant community and supporting,
uh, that population. I think that is something ... we know diverse communities do better
economically. So continuing that narrative and making sure that we are reaching out to
those diverse communities and making them part of our community at large. So we
continue to work on that through our welcome... welcoming initiatives. Um, `Pick Your
Pace' is about ready to launch, and that will be a.....a site where, like Mark said, we can
really convey what it's like to live and work here. Um, we've also worked on a ... a wing
man project for the region, where when you're new to the area you can select, uh, a wing
person to .... to kind of help connect you to the community. We know that we have about
six months to really get people connected, and (clears throat) the spouses are often the
ones, the partners, that if they don't find the right position or the right kind of home here,
then when their time's up at the University for their spouse, they may leave. So, we're
doing what we can, from a grass roots kind of level, um, to really make that a fun
program for people and .... and so that's just starting to, uh, no pun intended, take off. So,
um ... we continue to .... to just work on that connection piece, and I think having our space
downtown, for some of our programming, will really create a place, uh, for that to
happen. We have people stop in every day from frankly all over the world that are
stopping in or are here for something, and so I think we're gonna see that, uh, really be a
place, um, for people to connect to resources and ... and people. So, we're excited and we
appreciate all your support.
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Nolte/ Happy to take any questions or ... clarify anything.
Throgmorton/ Great work, Mark ... and Kate, but are there questions?
Botchway/ Yeah, I would just say, um, huge supporter of your work. I think we've had private
conversations, public conversations in regard to that. I really want to thank you, because
I think last time I made a couple comments about making sure that you expand to diverse
groups and populations, and I've seen that effort, you know, made, um, especially in
your, you know, new and improved MERGE space. So that doesn't go unnoticed and I
wanted to kind of feed ... give that feedback after I made those comments or questions last
time. Um, the other thing is, kind of around that workforce piece, because I think there's
been some things that have come before Council in regards to the overall workforce.
Whatever analysis, whatever information, especially as it pertains to workforce housing
that you can provide, I think would be necessary. I still feel, and this is just my gut, I
don't necessarily see too much data, and the people I've talked to, that there's a gap
between I would say the 25 to 35, that we don't necessarily address from a workforce,
um, standpoint on workforce housing standpoint, that we're gonna need to address, um, if
we ... if we want to become as inclusive and progressive as I think we can become, and so
whatever information that you have, uh, it would be greatly appreciated, at least from
Council's standpoint. I'm sure you're sharing that information with staff as well.
Throgmorton/ Anyone else?
Cole/ I guess I have just a question. You've identified several things that we can do to improve
the climate for the workforce. What would you say would be the one primary area that
you really want us to get focusing on? What's sort of the lowest hanging fruit that you
see, from a ... at least a Council perspective, to put you on the spot a little bit.
Nolte/ Yeah, I mean .... our biggest concern right now is the education system. You know, uh,
we need to make sure that we get the, you know, we're workin' with a lot of groups. We
gotta get the bond passed, uh, to make sure we've got 2151 century learning environments.
That's... that's always been our bread and butter, is ... is this community ... is public
education, and so the .... our.....our concerns aren't .... I think you guys as .... as a City
Council have addressed the things. We remain a vibrant arts community. Your support
for things like the Englert and ... and Mission Creek and those kind of things that are
bringing people here. You know, continue to focus on workforce housing, but I think as
a lot of these projects come out of the ground, you're gonna see kind of a change in some
of the price structure in some of the older facil.... you know, properties out there. So
we're less concerned in the immediate need about having the .... the workforce housing
for that 25 to 35 -year-old, cause that has been the gap, right. We had student housing and
then we had, you know, family homes. We had very little in between, but when you start
lookin' at all the projects that are comin' online now, I think that gap will be full, but our,
you know .... we've gotta declare our intent. I think this could be known nation-wide as
the community that does entrepreneurship and education right, but that seems to be under
attack a little bit right now. So, those are the things that worry us a little bit.
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Throgmorton/ You're not alone! So, I want to express a dream to you, Mark .... and Kate. Uh,
it's a dream that you and I talked about, maybe .... at least a year ago, maybe a couple
years ago. As you know, we've just entered a climate action planning process, havin' to
do with reducing carbon emissions, etc. And I'm very conscious that we have an
industrial park here in our city that is ... is not really being used in the way intended or that
we would like to see it used. I would .... this is my dream. I .... I would love to see ICAD
and others help us imagine a way.... successful way, to develop that park, uh.... in a
manner that would, um .... reinforce our efforts to, uh, address climate change, reduce
carbon emissions, and so on. So .... if.....either of you, or anybody affiliated with ICAD
has clear thoughts about that, clear suggestions, uh.... I.....I think we would, as a Council,
would love to know about `em, and I certainly would!
Nolte/ (mumbled) ...challenge.
Mims/ I just want to add my thanks to all that ICAD does. I think a lot of people who don't....
get involved with ICAD or necessarily see some of the things that you put out in terms of
the data and the things you're collecting and working on, don't necessarily realize the
value of an organization like ICAD, and you're absolutely essential, and.... and Mark has
provided, um, excellent input and leadership on the regional visioning, uh, committee, as
well, which .... I appreciate, cause I sit there sometimes and I'm not sure where
everybody's going, but .... Mark seems to figure out where we need to go. No, you along
with Bruce Harreld and the other two tri -chairs from ..... from Rockwell and,
urn .... Alliant? Have just done a really good job.....so I appreciate that.
Nolte/ I feel like it's.... struggling. I appreciate the comment, but I feel like we're just.....
spinnin' our wheels there.
Mims/ Well.....hopef.....hopefully we'll make some progress, but you've had some really good
input and I appreciate that.
Throgmorton/ All right! Anything else? Thank you. (several talking) Okay, let's turn to
clarification of agenda items, and before we get into any particulars, I want to just make a
general comment. I'm sure you all noticed that staff has started using its new Council
Action Report format. I'm wonderin', uh, what your initial reaction is to that format, you
know, based on, you know, one ... one packet's worth of stuff, but... You know, my sense
is it's pretty effective, I like it, but .... (several responding)
Fruin/ Appreciate any feedback as we start to work these in, uh, it's greatly appreciated.
Clarification of Agenda Items:
Throgmorton/ Okay, how about specific items?
ITEM 3f(9) R.J. Johnson (x2): Ped Mall
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Thomas/ I just .... it's kind of a very minor one, but it .... I'll just mention it anyway. On one of
the, um, correspondence there was something, 3f....(9) I think I wrote. R. J. Anderson on
the use of the planters. (several talking) And, uh.... yeah, L....you know, I .... I've
noticed that when I've gone through the ped mall and I'm kind of puzzled by what's
going on there. ... Sol ....it.....it is a bit strange. It doesn't seem to be, um, it's not
being used properly, it seems to me. There is, you know, the dogs relieve themselves and
it's ... it remains there (laughs) There isn't the pick up. So I was just curious what ... what
the status was on that.
Fruin/ Yeah, this has been an item that, um, gosh, there's been discussions on for .... three or four
years at least, urn ... that at least I've .... I've been aware of...of at some point, but, um ... uh,
probably goes back until, uh.... three or four years ago when we changed the ordinance to
allow dogs onto the ped mall. There was discussion at that time on .... on what impact
that might have on some of the .... the plantings and the vegetation down there. Um,
there's been some concerns from some of our volunteers that ... that work down there that,
uh, the dogs in the planters, um, are, um .... destroying some of the vegetation down there.
Um, so we started to explore what are some good options, and ... and some cities, um, have
designated `dog' areas, dog relief areas. And, uh, we thought that this year would be a
good year to experiment with that, as we're headin' into the ped mall project, uh,
redesign. So we took a couple of planters, um, that were near residential, um, units,
where ... uh, there's known to be animals, um, and um .... where the ... in those particular
planters there wasn't necessarily a good healthy stock of vegetation, and we've turned
`em into .... to precisely those areas, to see how they work, and, you know, if...if the, at
the end of this kind of experiment we determine that, you know, they don't work because
people still aren't pickin' up after `em, then you won't see those areas in the redesigned
ped mall and we'll have to look to policy, new policy, or, uh, other enforcement actions
to ... to try to get, uh, the results we want. So it's a bit of an experiment goin' on right
now.
Cole/ Is there a current fine, if you don't clean up after your dog?
Fruin/ Yeah, I think so, but I .... I don't know off the top of my head what that would be. The
problem is we don't have officers down there looking for that....
Cole/ Okay.
Fruin/ ....at all times, so it's ... it's kinda like smoking violations. It's.... it's.....unless you're
down there witnessing it, it's really hard to enforce.
Mims/ Geoff, in those areas, do we have, or are we going to have, like a lot of places now have
the .... the poles with the .... the bags and stuff (both talking)
Fruin/ We're there (both talking)
Mims/ ...I thought I had seen one down there recently, but I just wanted to make sure.
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Throgmorton/ Yeah, several months ago, I don't know, sometime in the summer I guess, I did a
walking tour of the downtown with Linda Schriver and some other people, and that was a
point that, uh, Linda emphasized very strongly, that the planters are being basically
destroyed by dogs that are urinating and defecating in the planters, and it's really bad for
the trees and .... etc. So, uh...it...it seemed to me at the time, and I think Linda was saying
this also, that new projects that have substantial numbers of residences in them need to
provide internal space...... for their critters, because what ... what does a dog need to do,
and what does it do the moment it goes outside? It's gotta urinate! Then you walk
around for a while and it's gotta defecate, I mean, that's the bottom line of all that. So...
the spaces need to be readily available... for... for the residents who own dogs.
Fruin/ It's a challenge, and we can't.....we can't really do a .... a regional facility downtown,
cause if it's not out your door, you're right, it's not gonna be effective.
Mims/ Well I .... I don't know what other efforts we ... either that we can make as a city or through
like the Animal Shelter and stuff in terms of, uh, maybe working with some of the ... the
owners or landlords or some of these facilities just trying to educate .... I think it's a real
cultural thing, cause I've gone other places where, I mean, it is people. They just.... they,
it's a cultural thing. Dog goes, they pick it up, I mean, it's just .... not considered
otherwise. And .... I think to get people, you know, really in the habit, um, I think
unfortunately what we may end up having to do is turn around and ban them, and I think
that's unfortunate because I think better way is to try and get people to be responsible
about cleaning up after their pets. Um .... so if people have ideas of how we might try and
structure something like that, that might be effective, I think it'd be a good idea.
Throgmorton/ (both talking) ...key thing. I have lived in a city for five months where the culture
was that nobody.... nobody picked up dog droppings, and people had dogs all over the
place!
Mims/ Uh huh.
Throgmorton/ So all of the .... paved, basically paved spaces in this city .... were just covered with
defecation (laughter) so what they did was rely on the public utility staff to come through
and spray clean these paved kind of areas, like three or four times a day. It was pretty
dreadful basically.
Botchway/ Just so I'm clear, we don't have dog permits or something along those lines .... for
pets? Okay.
Thomas/ Is it .... is it limited to a couple of buildings where the residents live that .... have the
dogs?
Fruin/ I'd say there's a fair amount of visitors to the downtown that bring their dogs too,
especially with special events (several responding) And that's, you know, that's the, kind
of the conclusion we reached is we were debating, at least as a staff, on the ... on the ped
mall ban. You could reinstitute the ped mall ban. Those dogs aren't necessarily going
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anywhere, and you're gonna find `em on Washington Street or on Dubuque Street or on
Linn Street, Clinton Street. So .... bans are .... I don't know if that's the answer either.
Cole/ I like the vibe of having the dogs, but have we done any public relation's campaigns, just
even reaching out to the landlords, that sort of thing, um, if there's any positive
reinforcement too?
Fruin/ There's been a lot of it. I don't know if there's a formal educational campaign, but there's
certainly been a lot of conversations within the Downtown District and .... and, uh, the
property owners downtown.
Cole/ Okay.
Taylor/ ...encourage them to post signs in their buildings that you have to pick up after your
animals.
Throgmorton/ I have a feeling we're not gonna solve this problem tonight.
Thomas/ It's a wicked problem. (laughter)
ITEM 3f(11) Erich Schmidt: Message from Iowa State Building Trades/City
Council Request for Feb 21s'
Throgmorton/ Okay other items? May .... maybe we should .... I know there are two people out in
the room interested in Item 3f(11), uh, which is in the late handout, and it's a request
from the Iowa Building Trades Council. And, let me think now. The request basically
is ... gotta find the text, where'd it go? Uh... sorry! Thought I'd marked this.
Taylor/ (mumbled) prevailing wage and .... and U.S. steel.
Throgmorton/ Yeah. You know what, instead of me lookin' for the text, uh, because I'm havin'
trouble seein' it, maybe Bill or Eric could just briefly state what the request is.
Gearhart/ Hey, thank you. I'm Bill Gearhart. I'm President of Iowa State Building Trades
Council. A life -time, uh, long-time resident of, uh.... uh, Iowa City and Johnson County.
Uh, we're at the State House quite a bit as you can tell this year, and there's a bill
working it's way through that we've titled the `road swap' bill. Uh, Eric's our legislative
director. He can fill you in, but it's, uh, it's a way that federal money that comes into the
state, that's got Davis Bacon requirements, which is prevailing wage for construction
workers, and by American steel requirements, can be circumvented by swapping the
federal money with state money, and we think that skirts some ... two very important laws
that offer worker protection. So I'm gonna turn it over to Eric. He's been up on the Hill
battling this all week.
Schmidt/ Yes, thank you, Bill. Um, my name is Eric Schmidt. I'm actually from the City of Des
Moines. Uh, we represent over 4,000 construction workers statewide from the Laborers
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International Union of North America. Um, just over 200 here in Iowa City. Um, Bill
kind of gave an explanation of the legislation. Um, it....it does talk about swapping
dollars from the secondary road fund with the DOT, and it's a dollar -for -dollar swap.
Um, the problem that we have with that is we found an article, um, from the Telegraph
Herald, and I believe we forwarded that on to you last Friday, um, of...a gentleman by the
name of Stewart Anderson that works for the Department of Transportation, and before I
move forward, I do want to say that this is not a, uh, a department -sponsored bill in any
way, and they've admitted to that. Um, but in his .... in the article he was quoted as
saying that the reason they needed to do this dollar -for -dollar swap is so that they can go
around the prevailing wage provision that's tied to federal dollars, and then also go
around the Buy American provision, which is in, uh, Title 23, Section 313 of the Federal
Highway Act. Um, we have an issue with that because .... we feel it, urn .... it takes away
some of the credibility of the construction workers out there that do have projects that are
intermingled with State dollars and federal dollars, and by .... in terms of, um,
construction workers who are already somewhat hurting right now, especially outside of
the commercial industry, by doing this we feel that it could bring wages down even
further, which could end up recruiting an out-of-state workforce. Um, so we have an
obligation to our members, throughout the state, who do work on construction to, um, try
to defend some of the provisions that do go into certain projects. This has been current
law for quite some time. They've introduced this legislation for the past four years now,
and it's never had any bearing until this year under a Republican trifecta. Now I
understand, um, that the City Council is a bipartisan group, so I don't want to get in the
weeds there. Our only request is, um, when we looked at the amount of interest groups
that are registered in favor of this legislation, and reger... registered against it, um, there's
only three groups currently that are registered in favor of it, and one of them is the
Metropolitan Coalition. Our request to the City Council, and uh, other city councils as
well, is we're tryin' to find out who they answer to the Metropolitan Coalition, and if it is
the top 10 cities or the mayors of the, um, top 10 cities, we're just asking for .... the
different cities to use their political capital to maybe talk to the Metropolitan Coalition to
just not be involved in this legislation at this current time, whether that be not .... we don't
want them to be registered against it or in favor of it, but just to remain neutral. Um,
there's various reasons and we have, uh.... suspected various reasons of why they are
registered in favor of this. Um, if you read the legislation it's ... it's a very innocuous bill.
It doesn't mention anything about the Davis Bacon wages or the Buy American Act.
Um, only if you're a nerd like me who ends up reading the Federal Highway Act would
you know that. So, um, we think that some people have been misled on this, and we're
just asking various city councils to talk to the board of the Metropolitan Coalition, to
change the registration just to being neutral on (both talking)
Throgmorton/ .....so. Just to focus right in on the nub of it.
Schmidt/ Uh huh.
Throgmorton/ As I understand it right now as an individual city we are undeclared.
Fruin/ Correct!
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Throgmorton/ ...on this particular thing, but the Metro Coalition, of which we are a part, is
registered in favor of it.
Fruin/ As is the Iowa League of Cities, which we're a part of.
Throgmorton/ Yeah. Okay. So your request is that we ask the Metro Coalition to become
neutral on it.
Schmidt/ Correct!
Throgmorton /Yeah.
Schmidt/ And, uh, one of the reasons we're separating the League of Cities from the
Metropolitan Coalition is the League of Cities do represent, urn, smaller populated areas.
And one of the things that has been addressed, and.... it's.... it's very convoluted, but, um,
the County Engineers are also registered in favor of this legislation, and their mainly
saying that they're in favor of this because of red tape that they have to jump through.
We have talked to various leaders in the Iowa capital to let them know that we have came
up with a plan similar to that of Oregon's, which says if you have a population of
threshold under a certain amount, we can understand the abili.... your, um, issues with
jumping through the red tape. So we fixed those concerns. However, when a couple
other interest groups stepped in, um, they were unwilling to look at our compromise... that
would fit the League of Cities and, uh, exempted them out of this. So, um .... the, our
only request is for the larger cities, since you do have such a large population of
construction workers that it would affect, to maybe do exactly what you were saying, and
just to ask them to remain neutral.
Throgmorton /Okay. Great. Thanks. Geoff, I know you've been in communication with Bill.
Why don't you tell us what you know and so on.
Fruin/ Sure. I...I haven't talked to Bill directly, uh, about this issue. We've traded some emails
that .... that have led us to this point. Um, and I just want to make sure Council has a .... a
understanding of what's going on, or what the legislation proposes to do. Um ... so I'm
gonna speak very generally. Um ... uh, to try to describe what goes on, but ... um, every
year the....the State gets a pot of federal dollars, and right now they take up that pot and
they .... they divvy it up into, uh, smaller chunks and they put those out into the various
MPOs across the, uh, across the state. Those MPOs then take those dollars and distribute
them to their member communities. Um, when the federal dollars get chopped up like
that, they get spread out, all those federal requirements stay with those dollars. Okay, so
some recent examples here in Iowa City, um, of projects that ... that have involved federal
dollars would be the First Avenue grade separation project, the Gateway project, and the
next one, uh, would be, uh, likely the American Legion Road reconstruction project.
Those are all projects that have federal funding, um ... in them that are awarded through
the MPO. Just to be clear, all the other road projects that .... that we do on an annual
basis, whether it's resurfacing, uh.... uh, road projects like Moss Ridge Road, uh, or any
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number of ones that we do, do not have those same federal dollars and thus do not cant'
those federal, uh, requirements. Um, what, um, I think attracts cities, um, to this
legislation, why you see the League of Cities and the Metro Coalition supporting it, it's
my understanding that also the, um, Association of Counties and the Association of
County Supervisors are also, uh, registered in favor of it, is that it consolidates the,
essentially the federal requirements. So what the State does is they get that big pot of
money in, and instead of divvying up that federal dollars to the MPOs, the State keeps all
that federal money and just exchanges it dollar -for -dollar for state money, and that state
money does not have all the strings attached, and by strings I mean Davis Bacon and Buy
American and everything that Eric and Bill are, uh, representing. Certainly when you
don't have, um .... uh, those strings, urn .... projects can move forward more quickly
perhaps, but if you don't have to do environmental reviews that are, uh, triggered by the
federal dollars, um, those dollars can potentially go farther, uh, because they don't have
the.—the Davis Bacon wages and so that's why cities are, um, registered in favor of this
by and large. Um, so that's... that's what we're talking about here. So a couple of key
points there is ... is one, this doesn't impact all our road projects. It doesn't even pra...
you know, we don't have these projects come up every year. It's usually every couple of
years when we have these. Um ... I, you know, I .... I try to, uh, tell people, you can
imagine the State could take all those federal dollars and pour it into one or two highway
projects. That's the scale of projects that they're dealing with. Um .... regarding the, uh,
the City's position on this, um, we have not .... we.....we likely wouldn't, um, take a
position on a bill like this. We ...we don't formally weigh in on very many issues. Um,
and generally only do so when .... when we have, um .... direct guidance from the City
Council, either through your stated legislative priorities or .... or otherwise. Um, we
just ... we just don't have a practice of doing that. The Metro Coalition and League of
Cities, um ... I .... you know, we .... we can, um, certainly communicate anything to the
Metro Coalition, but ultimately it's the.... the.... the 10 cities that .... that decide what we
do. So, we could take a position, but it may not change the Metro Coalition position.
Throgmorton/ So to be clear about why this topic is coming up here, my understanding is that
you suggested to .... to Bill that it .... if, um, you could bring it, he could bring this topic to
the City Council and the City Council itself could provide guidance about .... about how to
respond.
Fruin/ Yeah, I .... you know, as it stands right now, your legislative priorities indicate that we're
generally supportive of Metro Coalition and .... and League issues, and .... and so we won't
deviate from that unless it conflicts with something specifically that you've stated. Um, I
can tell ya in talking about this issue, on both the League of Cities, uh, conference calls
that .... that I've been a part of, and both the Metro Coalition conference calls, it's been...
it's been firm support, uh, it hasn't been wavering, and I do think that the .... the cities
fully understand, um, what .... what Eric mentioned here, and what Bill does. I don't
think that there's, urn .... um, information that's.... that's not understood by the cities. We
realize what the implications are with the .... the federal wage requirements and, uh,
environmental reviews and things of that nature.
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Throgmorton/ Do any of you have any questions or any thoughts about how you think we should
proceed?
Botchway/ I have two questions. One was, is this one that we'd bring up during Council time?
Where we'd ... I mean talk about as far as, um, during the Consent Agenda part of the
discussion?
Throgmorton/ Well this is actually a question for Eleanor, uh, should we, uh, pick this up later on
in the formal meeting, to have some kind of. ... more formal decision or .... is it just really
a matter of four?
Dilkes/ You've got the correspondence on your Consent Agenda (both talking)
Throgmorton/ Right.
Dilkes/ ...so I...I think you can (both talking)
Cole/ We can talk about it (several talking)
Throgmorton/ Okay. So ... when we make formal kind of decisions, uh, we have to do it in the
formal meeting. But do we have any questions that would be....
Botchway/ So my other question is, you mentioned the kind of the First grade.... Avenue
separation, some of the other projects. I mean, not knowing too much about this, it
wouldn't retroactively ... harm or affect any of those projects, so .... okay!
Fruin/ Not at all!
Thomas/ So the two impacts are on the wages and, uh, the environmental review?
Fruin/ No, L ....I don't know, uh, I couldn't tell ya all those different, all the different strings that
the ... that the federal dollars carry. I wouldn't limit it to those two, um, but I'm not
prepared to tell you exactly what they are. Certainly those two things are .... are on the
forefront of cities minds when we look at this legislation.
Throgmorton/ The specific request though is ... is for whether, the request is for us to ... ask the
Metro Coalition to change their registration on the bill. That .... that's what we're bein'
asked to do, right? (several talking) Yeah.
Gearhart/ And to change it to neutral!
Throgmorton/ Yeah, understand.
Gearhart/ That would be a big step, and if I could just say one thing....
Throgmorton/ Sure, Bill!
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Gearhart/ You know, we fight like hell at ... in Washington to get laws and protect workers, and
the Davis Bacon Act has been in effect since the 30s by two Republic... Republican
Senators, Senator and a Republican Congressman. It's to, like the minimum wage for
construction workers. Why we wouldn't want to be on the right side of this issue. Why
would we be part of a scheme that skirts that law, let alone Buy American Steel, or Buy
American. We've got a steel mill over in Ipsco over there that workers depend on us
using American steel. Why would we get involved in a .... in a .... in a, uh, scheme that
would not ... that would circumvent that law. I'm even amazed we even have to talk about
it, and to ... because without Davis Bacon, I guess what's the only protections for workers
out there? Minimum wage? For people that have gone through apprenticeship and ... and
uh, spent four years learning the trade. The only safety net for them is, uh, is, uh,
minimum wage. Anyway....
Throgmorton/ Yeah. All right. I ... I think we get the general idea and the question before us, and
we'll have to return to it in the formal meeting, but thanks to both of you for responding
to some questions.
Schmidt/Thank you for your time!
Mims/ Thank you.
Throgmorton/ All right, so I need to pull that item, I guess, from the ... Consent Calendar?
Dilkes/ You don't have to pull it. You can just....
Throgmorton/ ...during discussion.
Dilkes/ You know, during the discussion of the Consent Calendar, if you want to give direction
to staff you can do that.
Throgmorton/ Are there any other items that people want to bring up with regard to, uh,
clarification of agenda items? (several talking in background) Bear ... bear with me.
need to type a note to myself.
ITEM 3f(8) John Fernandez: Honorary First Serve at a UI Women's Tennis Match
Botchway/ I guess I'll throw out one. 3f(8) .... it's not really a clarifi.... or ... it is a question. Are
...is anybody doing that? Tennis...
Taylor/ The what?
Botchway/ The tennis thing.
Taylor/ Sign up for the tennis?
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Throgmorton/ Oh ... yeah (several talking)
Taylor/ It sounded kind of fun!
Botchway/ I didn't know if it was like a group kind of like tennis match or (laughter) one person,
so I just wanted to make sure.
Taylor/ Well they listed several dates.
Botchway/ Yeah (both talking)
Taylor/ ....they wanted individuals to sign up (both talking)
Botchway/ I just wanted to....
Thomas/ It was a nice gesture. I wasn't planning to (laughs) offer myself.
Botchway/ (several talking and laughing) I was planning on coming in, you know, in my short
shorts and (laughter) maybe hittin' one across the way, so.....
Dickens/ I have to swear now (laughter)
Throgmorton/ Yeah, so ... you should respond (several talking in background)
Botchway/ I'll respond. I just wanted to ask and find out what it .... what it was.
Information Packet Discussion Webruary 9, 161:
Throgmorton/ All right, any other clarification of agenda items? All right, well that gets us into
our, uh.... uh, Information Packets. Uh, February ni... February 9`h.
Taylor/ I had something regarding IP2.
Throgmorton/ Yep!
Taylor/ And that was your letter, uh, regarding the ACA, and I just wanted to thank you, Mayor
Throgmorton, and others in the U.S. Conference of Mayors for this letter, uh, urging
protection of healthcare coverage in .... in our country, uh, cause during my years as a
nurse, I saw far too many patients who had waited too long to follow up on health
concerns or didn't have preventative screenings, um, because of the cost, which often led
them to even more serious situations, uh, but the ACA has helped resolve some of those
issues and it's been a major step, uh, towards, uh, assuring coverage and ... and the
positive things that you listed in the letter are ... are very encouraging for people. So along
with you, Mayor Throgmorton, and your fellow mayors, and I would hope the rest of the
Council Members, um, to also urge the members of our U.S. Congress to assure that no
one, uh, is left without affordable healthcare coverage.
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Throgmorton/ Yeah, for sure.
Taylor/ It was an excellent letter. Thank you.
Botchway/ Um, IN, um....
Throgmorton/ Bye, Jay.
Botchway/ Friday .... I need to switch. Anybody interested for March P9.
Throgmorton/ Do we know who's going to replace Jay? I ... I don't.
Mims/ I don't.
Dickens/ Um, I think, uh.... Pitts, Mark Pitts right now (several talking)
Voparil/ ... think that is correct. I got an email from him today and I was trying to remember his
name. (several talking)
Dickens/ ....does a lot of their programming for `em and commercials (both talking)
Mims/ At least filling in for now.
Dickens/ Filling in until they find somebody
Throgmorton/ Yeah, I'd like to Kingsley but I have a doctor's appointment (several talking) real
early in the morning too.
Botchway/ March 3', 7:15.
Mims/ I can't. I'll be out of town
Dickens/ (several talking) (mumbled)
Botchway/ You can?
Dickens/ Yeah. I'll just (several talking)
Throgmorton/ So Terry's gonna take Kingsley's place on March 3rd. (both talking)
Botchway/ ...switch with you on March 17th.
Dickens/ That's fine. Yeah.
Botchway/ I'll do March 17th
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Taylor/ Kind of along those lines, um, I .... I'd like to thank Jay for all of his time that he spends
with each and everyone of us. I mean, I had never done anything like that and he just
makes you feel so comfortable and he's always so knowledgeable about what's been
goin' on in the city and the City Council. It ... it just is very easy and he's just been
wonderful to work with, and so I'm gonna miss working with him.
Throgmorton/ Yeah, I think he's done a terrific job over the years.
Dickens/ Other than bein' a White Sox fan (several talking and laughing)
Throgmorton/ All right, uh, other items for that, uh, Information Packet? I wonder about IP #5,
the bar check report, for January. And .... once again the Union Bar leads the pack. So,
many of you know — I don't — who owns the Union Bar? I'd like to find out. I'd like to
know who owns the Union Bar and I ... I'd like to get some sense of why it's performing
so badly.
Voparil/ I can look that up and let you know.
Throgmorton/ Thank you.
Botchway/ In particular the citations are higher than the visits, and that's the only one that has
that I think.
Throgmorton/ Yeah, it's just at the top of the pack all the time.....seems like. Anything else on
February the 9a'? Okay, February 16.
Botchway/ Um, so IP6, I just want to quickly thank you, Jim, for .... that statement. I've received
a lot of positive comments, um .... for some reason my notes aren't coming up, so that's
great! Okay. Received a lot of positive comments, so just want to say .... good job!
Throgmorton/ Thanks.
Taylor/ I would.....I'd also like to comment on IP6, cause the proposal made in Des Moines
regarding changes in collective bargaining for, uh, public sector workers does damage to
something that's been in place for over 40 years. It's worked for many years and worked
for many people in Iowa, and it's no secret I'm a member of a public sector union. Uh,
my union, SCID, represents the healthcare workers at UIHC, uh, as do many of the other
employees there are represented by AFSCME or throughout the University, by COGS
also. So many of our .... and many of our City and County employees are .... are also
union members and so this accounts for a large number of our community members. Uh,
all of whom play an important role in, uh, us achieving our strategic plan and ... so I'd just
encourage, uh, all of. ... all of you that are affected by this to, uh, stick together and grow
even stronger with these challenges.
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Throgmorton/ Yeah. It's a dreadful bill, quickly enacted. I .... I want to note that the last
paragraph.... of my letter was accidentally omitted. So I'd like to read that paragraph, it's
real short, but I'd like to just kind of get it on the record so to speak. So the last
paragraph, uh, meant to read: We also fully support the teachers, nurses, paramedics,
recordkeepers, graduate assistants at the U of Iowa, and other public sector employees
who make sure our children are well educated, our ailing loved ones are cared for, our
elections are properly conducted, our vital property records are well managed, and our
city and county can exercise the right of self -governance. So .... anyhow. That was
supposed to be part of the, uh, of that.... release. IP7, housing study update. Uh, I was
really happy to see that, uh, come along. I talked with Bruce Harreld, President Haneld,
about it a few days ago. He's happy that it's... underway as well.
Botchway/ I'll also state on that end as well. I know that sometimes I can be critical of other
cities putting, um, money forth, or supporting, uh regional initiatives and so I'd just like
to thank Coralville for stepping up and doing that.
Throgmorton/ Yeah, it's a ... three-way split, right? 30,000 each.....
Fruin/ Correct.
Throgmorton/ ....party. Yeah.
Simpson/ I had a question about that. Um, I know the scope of the study is to kind of figure out,
um, conditions of the market, so talking about supply and certain projects, but will there
be any, um, assessment of people's perceptions of the housing market. I'm thinking like
students and how they relate to their landlords, but .... and I'm also thinking about say
international students that have expressed concerns about being mistreated or other
variables like discrimination, urn .... is that a part of this (mumbled)
Fruin/ Yeah, um, the short answer is I don't know. There.... there.... the scope does include,
um... some stakeholder interviews and if we haven't met to define who those
stakeholders are, um, I imagine that the City will have some stakeholders. The
University will identify some stakeholders, and I think it'd be appropriate that, um, the
student body's represented as a .... as a stakeholder in the process. So, I'll make mention
of that when we kick this study off next month.
Throgmorton/ It's gonna take about four months. Give or take.
Fruin/ Correct.
Throgmorton /Yeah. Okay, I'm lookin' forward to seeing the results of that.
Mims/ I want to thank Geoff for the couple of articles there. The big events in the Great Plains,
giving some nice pub to Iowa City and, um, and also the bicycle friendly America. Um, I
mean, just a lot of other good things in here and .... but to make sure we don't overlook,
uh, hope everybody puts the employee potluck and service awards celebration on their
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calendar. Um, that's always a fun event and always very much appreciated by staff, and
so hope Council Members can make it.
Throgmorton/ Yeah! Come if you can! I agree with Susan about that. Employees like it a lot.
Botchway/ Think Terry's going to be dancing as we're giving out gifts as well so .... (laughter)
good reason to come (several talking and laughing) Uh, IP 10. I just want to say, you
know, um, obviously at a Council level, good work that's been done as far as direction is
concerned, but also want to compliment Tracy, Geoff, other staff that have been
involved, um, with just the high level of things that are going on from an affordable
action standpoint. It just .... you know, reading that made me feel good. So....
Mims/ It's nice to see it all in once place (several talking and laughing) ...what's going on!
Throgmorton /Yeah, I really like the ... yeah, the conciseness of the update. Yeah. IP #5.
The .... a conservative case for climate action. That's, uh, I think a New York Times
article that really referred to a Wall Street Journal article, which referred to a cluster of,
um, illustrious, urn ... Republican party leaders, like, uh.... uh, James Baker and George
Schultz and several others, who have together put together a proposal that has potentially
at least really significant implications for our climate action plan, because if it's adopted,
it...it would increase, well, put a price on carbon basically and it's very much like that fee
and dividend approach that we briefly discussed last time. So the idea would
be .... there'd be a fee or a tax, per ton of carbon, and then.... the... the.... the, um, income
basically would be distributed to households. So ... that's interesting to see and because it
came from James Baker and George Schultz and other well known economists, it might
get some action at the national level.
Dickens/ (mumbled) the paper this morning had the University reducing its coal (several talking)
which was another big plus, because that's one of the major ... that we didn't have control
of, that should help.
Throgmorton/ Yeah, that's.... that's great news for our climate action plan, being able to achieve
at least the short-term goal. Great news! (several talking) Uh, and, uh.... I get, I think
that was announced at, uh, the farewell ceremony for Liz Christianson. I didn't know
that, cause I left before it was announced, uh, but wish I had been there. I would have
thanked Bruce Harreld, you know, because he helped make that happen, and I understand
Liz cried at that moment when it was announced. Yeah, so anyhow, with regard to Liz,
she's done a great job as sustainability coordinator for the University, and I'm really
sorry to see her go. But .... great news about the coal plant, or the, you know, the power
plant. Okay.
Cole/ I don't know if this would be more appropriately tailored for Council time, but IP4, um,
possible work session topics. This Kirkwood collaboration that we've sort of talked bout
in our strategic plan. Nothing super urgent about that, but I was just sort of wondering —
do we have a rough update in terms of ..have we had some conversations with them and
um, where do we see that in terms of....possibly coming up on our work session agenda?
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Throgmorton/ You mean with the School District and with Kirkwood (both talking)
Cole/ Yeah, because I was thinking of what Mark Nolte was talking about. That STEAM
component is absolutely critical, um, and so I'm glad that we do have that part of our
strategic plan, but just sort of. ... where are we on that? Have we reached out to
Kirkwood? Is that something that we have an update on or we'll have a work session on?
And then (both talking)
Fruin/ Yeah, I think it can be scheduled any time. Really, you know, staff s lookin' for direction
from the Council on what your expectations are with this particular item. I have met with
Kirkwood Community College. I toured their regional facility that was just completed,
that has a lot of those components already in it.
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Fruin/ I had a brief conversation, several months ago, with, um, Superintendent Murley. Um, I
don't think that either of those agencies are prepared to take a lead on anything, and so,
um, that's what I need to have the discussion with the City Council about — is this
something that you want to be a City -driven project, um, as opposed to supporting a
School District -driven project, um, or a community college -driven project. I'm not
saying.... there may be interest from those organizations to participate in some fashion,
but, um, I don't think you're going to see either of them, um, put forward a .... a concept.
Cole/ Uh huh.
Mims/ I would say especially right now, with the budget situation they're all in.
Cole/ I guess in the next three or four months I'd like to do a work session topic on it though, so
we could either give the staff direction, or pull it. I mean so I think that that would be
something that we should do, because I do think it's .... there are budget issues, but I think
it's a critical issue, so ... that would be my thought, if people support that. Um, next (both
talking)
Throgmorton/ I'd love to see us move ahead on that (both talking) provide, uh, Geoff with
direction (both talking)
Cole/ Yeah!
Throgmorton/ Uh, we now have a lot more items on our work session agenda though, uh, I think,
what five or six or whatever were added.
Fruin/ Yeah, if I could briefly just mention, and this'll come out with the next update, uh, of the
pending topic list, but um ... after this was published we were able to confirm several
dates. Um, so number, uh, five, the joint meeting with the, um ... School District is
tentatively, uh, scheduled for April 4"'. Um ... the joint meeting with Johnson County is
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tentatively scheduled for May 24`h. The joint meeting with the Telecommunications
Commission would ... is tentatively scheduled for April 18`h.
Throgmorton/ You're way ahead of my ability to write. April 4`h was, who's that with?
Fruin/ That's with the School District. That would be, um ... uh, at the, um, School District
offices.
Throgmorton/ And that's a Council meeting night, right?
Fruin/ Right. So we would have the work session there and come back here for the formal.
Throgmorton/ Okay.
Frain/ Um, April 18`h would be .... regularly scheduled meeting here with the
Telecommunications Commission.
Throgmorton/ Yep.
Fruin/ And Johnson County would be a special work session on May 24`h, which is a
Wednesday. Um, that would tentatively be at 5:00 and we'd probably hold that at the
Poor Farm.
Throgmorton/ Okay.
Fruin/ And March ... the next Council meeting we've invited, uh, representatives, uh, from the
County to present on the, uh, CIT, uh, project. So that would be March 7'h.
Throgmorton/ Okay.
Fruin/ So we have .... the second meeting in March is still open, um .... I'd like to return with the,
uh, Police item, um, as .... as soon as we're ready to, uh, but both April work sessions are
now booked.
Thomas/ Yeah, another topic, um, along those lines that I was....wanted to ask about was the
complete streets... item, when that .... I don't know if there's been any discussion.
Fruin/ Yeah, anything on here on the strategic plan and the budget related topics, um, it ... it's,
from our standpoint, it's pretty much on hold until we get direction from you all. So, a
complete streets study, if you want to do a study, we just need to know what ... what your
expectations are of that study, are there particular corridors you're lookin' at, um, we
want to make sure there's no duplication with the bike master plan, um, or.....you know,
Gilbert Street study or anything else that we may have in the works.....so.....
Throgmorton/ I think tomorrow you and I need to go through this long list and see if we can do
some .... come up With some recommended priorities and....
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Fruin/ Okay!
Throgmorton/ ....sort that out. Anything else on February 16? I don't think so! Feels a lot like
we're done with this work session for this evening.
Dickens/ Can't we meet afterwards again? (laughter)
Throgmorton/ If you really want to! (laughter) Okay, so we're done and we'll reconvene at our
formal meeting.
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