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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2022-07-12 Transcription Page 1 Council Present: Alter, Bergus, Harmsen, Taylor, Teague, Thomas, Weiner Staff Present: Fruin, Jones, Kilburg, Goers, Fruehling, Platz, Hightshoe Teague: All right. It is July 12th, 2022 and we're going to go into our work session,which we didn't have time for earlier today. And the first item was clarification of agenda items, which, uh, we've already went through our agenda items. Information Packet Discussion (June 23,June 30,July 7): Teague: So we're gonna go on to the next item, which is information packet discussions. And we'll start with June 23rd. Taylor: IP2 the neighborhood and development services memo and the annual report. Thank you very much, Tracy. Uh, it's very helpful information and- and I have to say that the- the graphs and the pictures,uh, make it much more interesting to- to follow through and- and read. So I appreciate that to the that- that you included, that that's really fun and very, very important data. So thank you for that. Bergus: Agreed. Yes, Thank you, Tracy. Teague: Next info packet is June 30th. Taylor: IP4 the Civil Service exam results. Uh,just quickly just wanted I mentioned I think Janice sort of touched on it earlier about the six new staff for the- for transit operators. We've been hearing how it had been really hard to- to get bus drivers. And so it was great to see those. So welcome to those six people on that list and congratulations, and it's good to see. Teague: And then we are on to June 7th and we do have IP4 that we'll discuss,but,um, June 7th. [OVERLAPPING] Teague: July 7th. Teague: July 7th. Taylor: It's okay. Teague: July 7th. Anything else before we get to IP4? Bergus: Just wanna highlight IP8, which was the building statistics for the month of June, which were much, much, much better than the rest of the year. We're at 62 million and the last This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of July 12, 2022. Page 2 next highest month so far this year was about 10.4 million in several below five, or a couple below five even, so,really grateful to see that addition. Weiner: I would so-just, urn, call attention to IP6 just the budget at a glance is very helpful to get an overview. Teague: All right, we are on to IP4 from July 7th. And Tracy, you wanna give us an update? Hightshoe: We have-the City owns a property, it's at 724 Ronald Street, and this is a property that we purchased on a sheriff sale back in 2016. It had a history of deferred maintenance and nuisance issues, so we bought it in the hopes of,with the intent that we're gonna demolish the- the home and we're going to build something based on,urn, the Missing Middle- doing a Missing Middle Housing demonstration. So we've owned it since 2016. Urn, earlier this year,we did a periodic inspection and it did have deferred maintenance. There are some issues with the roof. There-there were problems. We declared it a dangerous building and we demolished it. So it is a vacant lot right now. We were approached by the- the school district about the possibility of dedicating that lot,um, basically selling that lot for the student built home. Urn,they've not had a student built home, the official program since 2010, the school district has hired an instructor. So this- the home it's a- it's zoned RS8. Uh, it is in the Brown Street Historic District. Urn, the home would be there. It'd be a student- it'd be a single-family house. Urn, it'd be built by the school district. Uh, The Housing Fellowship would own the house, they would operate it as, urn, affordable rental for large families. It would be dedicated, it'd be permanent affordability because it'd be placed in their portfolio. The zone is RS8, so it does allow single-family detached properties. I think we're hoping that someday we would do a form-based code in this area that maybe we could increase the density, but it's in a historic district. It's zone RS8. It does have an alley, so there's a potential because of the width of the lot that we could have two separate lots. So there might be a time where the school district could or- or The Housing Fellowship, if they were to own the lot, could split the lot and we'd have two lots. Urn, the-the proposal that we're talking about, like I said, is that the student- The Housing Fellowship would buy the house- lot. The school district would hire the instructor, and they would provide the students and the instruction for the lot. The Home Builders would provide,urn, technical expertise. The Home Builders would go through the design, the planning process. They would do all the skilled part. Urn, school district may have to, they'd use their students but they would have to hire contracted labor for the parts that they-they couldn't do. Um, what else? The Housing Fellowship was interested in- in acquiring this lot because they have a difficulty. The last two years they've bought or they've purchased about 45 units. They're all one or two bedroom homes. They've had a difficult time placing larger families. They haven't been able to place those families that need 3-5 bedroom homes. so this project would fit that need. Urn, they would need to apply to us for the Affordable Housing Fund. We have opportunity funds available to acquire that lot because the City would have to sell the lot to them. So they would apply to us for the Affordable Housing Fund, for the opportunity funds to acquire the lot. We would sell it, they would enter an MOU with the school This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of July 12, 2022. Page 3 district, the Home Builders, Vocational Training Council, um, and The Housing Fellowship to develop this lot. The students would start enrolling this- this year to do the prerequisites so that next year they can enter the student built class and that would- so they'd build the house in the 2023-24 school year. And then if they- if we're able to have that western lot, there's some private sewer easements that need to be worked out. They'd be able to do the second home the following school year. So the proposal hits a lot of, um, a lot of our strategic planning priorities. I forgot to mention, since it's in the Brown Street Historic District, the house has to meet the historic character of the neighborhood. It has to go through HPC to get approved. It has to be one-and-a-half to two story single- family home. The chance that we could get at density is if The Housing Fellowship wanted to proceed maybe with accessory dwelling unit, those that can be added to the back of the house or to make it add down to a garage. But it-there will be HPC involvement because they have to approve the design to get the building permit. Um, it meets a lot of goals. Like I said, um, there's-there's student training, vocational training into the trades. It gets dedicated in the permanent affordability with The Housing Fellowship. It's rented at below fair market rent to those below 60 percent of median income, to larger families. Um, The Housing Fellowship- since we don't know design costs, we don't know the final design, we don't know how many bedrooms, how many bathrooms. Um, there is always the cost of construction right now. So we don't have a cost but if there's possibility as The Housing Fellowship works through this, the design with the HBA, that they might have to apply for additional funds, depends on what those final costs are we don't know,but that would come back to you. Right now, what the proposal is, is are you interested in selling this lot to The Housing Fellowship so they can dedicate it to this program?They do need to know because the Home Builders have to work with the Housing Fellowship to dedi- to get those plans ready. So this year they'll be working on, urn, plans, design, getting City approvals, which includes HPC approval. They start working on ordering supplies for the next year and doing some on-site construction. And GT Karr with the Home Builders is here if you have any questions about their process. But they need to know before the school year, they need to know in August if this is a lot that will work. Otherwise, they will have to scramble to- to get a different lot in order to start this process, so that they're all ready to go for the'23-'24 school year. Was that ac- accurate GT? Okay. And then either GT or I can answer any questions that you might have about the lot. Alter: Can I ask a question that it's- it's backing out a little bit. I think that the description of this is incredibly interesting and I really like- how many different things,urn, are beneficial to the community, both in the process of building the house and then what its intention is. Urn,but I do have some questions about the process. Urn, one is, is there an established process for this?Urn, Have there been instances where this-where the City has owned property and then made decisions about its,you know, sort of what happens with it?You- you know, where I'm going with this. I've- I've gotten feedback that it's like the public wasn't involved in this at all. So- Hightshoe: To be honest- This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of July 12, 2022. Page 4 Alter: Can you talk to that? Hightshoe: Yeah. We rarely have land that we just sit on. The only other land we have is the,urn, six-lot townhome in Lindemann we're using as land banking. We typically don't have, but we do get requests- I get requests about once a month from developers. Do we have land you know for LIHTC projects? Do we have properties available? Typically, we don't. Urn, so we've had this property. Like I said, we're waiting for different code changes, different form-based code that probably could do. Uh,we just- I mean, we've had since 2016. So we just didn't have an opportunity to do-you'd have to rezone that whole neighborhood in order to get a higher density than that single-family home that the current zoning designation allows. So we had the property, the school district needed, urn, land for this to- for the student built house. So they- I think they contacted the City. We actually had a lot, so that's how the- that's how it happened. Uh, that's how the proposal came to be. Um, typically, since we don't have just vacant land we own, I think the last- we do our piece like we did for the Chauncey, we did it for the, uh. Fruin: Yeah. I can- I can elaborate on that a little bit. I mean,when we've- when we've done this before, we've- I'm thinking of like the Public Space One houses in the north side. We acquired those,we did an RFP and we've added a couple of different options there. The Chauncey, The Rise. Those are some of the more recent ones, although they're not necessarily recent as in the last couple of years. Urn, our intention has- has shifted a bit with this. Our plans have shifted. I- I- and I want to be-be clear on that. Even as- as earlier as you know,probably the beginning of this calendar year, our intention was to do an RFP and- and see what- see what proposals were there. Urn, but as soon as we learned that the-the student built house program, uh, was- was officially coming back and that they needed a lot,urn,we felt that this was a perfect opportunity and they are working on a tight time frame. If- if, you know, you want to go the RFP route, we can certainly do that and that would be consistent with our past direction on this. We'll probably miss out on this partnership and you know, we'll still work with the schools to- to try to find a lot. Maybe that's in Iowa City and we don't have other lots to offer. Uh,but maybe- maybe there's a way for us to participate in some--it may be in Coralville, may be in North Liberty, may be somewhere else in the Iowa City School District region. Urn, but again, this opportunity came to us and as Tracy said, it checks a lot of the strategic goals that the council has in- in terms of being able to provide permanent affordable housing, um, partnering with-with trusted-trusted partners, both government, non-profit, and private partners. Urn,we can increase the density potentially from one single-family home to possibly two with possibly two accessory dwelling units. I can't commit to that now because we still need to-to go through the- the- the trust fund. Sorry, The Housing Fellowship would have to go through the design process with- with the Home Builders but that's- that's certainly a possibility. And we know that the design will ultimately be reviewed by your Historic Preservation Commission. So we felt like,boy, this checks a lot of boxes and we still have some- some pretty strong assurances that the end product is something that we're going to be really proud of And- I think it's a pretty special This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of July 12, 2022. Page 5 opportunity as the school district brings this program back for us to jump on board first and say, hey, we want to be a partner with this too. Um, that's a little bit more background. And again, I do want to acknowledge that, you know, this isn't something that's been in the work for six months. This is-this has been a little bit of a change of direction for us, but we felt, uh-we felt the opportunity was pretty-pretty special. Alter: Thank you for the context. Thomas: Well, I just- I just wanted to also, you know- I think I'm really interested in the- the collaborative effort here that's been identified. We did receive a letter from Kevin Boyd with HRC- HPC rather. Sorry. I- I do feel I would like to hear from Historic Preservation, they have a meeting coming up Thursday of this week. Um, I'd like to- to hear from them before we make a decision on this. Urn, it does check a lot of boxes. It- it misses some boxes including the whole Missing Middle concept. That was really the idea behind purchasing this property,was to explore,uh, which I think was noted in the memo. You know, that it serve as a demonstration project for how Missing Middle might be employed in the core neighborhoods. And- so that- that was certainly an expectation of mine. Urn, I'd be interested in seeing if there aren't ways we can move forward with that concept prior to having some wholesale rezoning of the area. The other-the other point and concern that I have is that the- the- this process,because it's moving in- at a pretty rapid pace, has had no neighborhood impact or involvement. And this is something of you know, considerable interest to the north side neighborhood and to those in the core neighborhoods in terms of the outcome. I think there's a lot at stake with this project. I've- I've tended to view it in- in that sense if we're looking at it as a- as a demonstration project. That it's, you know,we're trying to model a concept for how the infill can be done well in the core neighborhoods. And so the outcome of this project carries that weight. You know, what- how well will it be done? If it's not done well,the whole notion of being able to promote infill in the historic neighborhoods would not be advanced with this project. I'm- I'm very optimistic that we can do a great job with this project. And I think this team that's been assembled could,you know, possibly part-be part of the process. Because it- you know, I am intrigued with the idea of the-the mentorship opportunities that it provides the-you know,working with the school district. Uh,you know, the four- four aspects of the vo- Vocational Training Council, the Housing Fellowship as- as a future owner of the property. All of that I think it's great and- and it's- I'd like to try to hold on to that concept and build on it. Um, at the same time, I think there's some other aspects to this project that I think we need to incorporate into the process before I'm willing to sign off on it. Teague: When is the date that the City, kind of, need to know this? Hightshoe: Can GT answer that. He's on. [NOISE] Teague: Hello. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of July 12, 2022. Page 6 Karr: Hey,uh GT Karr,uh I'm current Vocational Training Console President. The issue with the timeline um, to answer that is working backwards. We need to be in a position to get school board curriculum approval,which we would submit with plans and the concept to them in October for their November meeting. And we need to have plans based on a concept, urn,probably by September, which-which I think we can do. But I think the reality is to just answer the question is, if we probably can't get consensus at next meeting for the reasons outlined uh, by Mr. Thomas then the project would probably just go somewhere else. Which, fine. Urn, and I would add one other component. The concept that we're rolling out is we would try a- or our goal is a net-zero design on this as well so. Weiner: What sorry, I did not hear the last thing you said. Bergus: Turn up that mike a little. Teague: Net zero. Karr: Net zero. Yes. Thank you. Bergus: Thank you. Thank you. Karr: Got you. Teague: I urn, thank you for that. I, I wanted to know the timeline urn because I've heard some things from fellow councilors here. Um, one, I think it hits a lot of the boxes and net-zero is really impressive. I also am very conscious of uh,the public process that is probably going to be very important for this on a lot of levels as- as Councilor Thomas has mentioned. Urn so I don't know that,you know, we could have an answer by the next meeting because it would be in our work session and public wouldn't come until you know the formal meeting to even give thought processes. So uh, I guess for me, urn,you know we won't be able to meet their timeline. So for me, I guess council, I think we have to give some thoughts and direction to staff. And that would be that we,you know, put out uh, put out an RFP and see what we get. Harmsen: Well,just one, one clarification Mayor. Uh if the council did want to move forward, what wou- what would that timeline look like? I mean,what could we do if we wanted to just to make sure that I'm clear on, Fruin: Sure. I- if the council wants to move forward. Harmsen: What would have to happen? Fruin: Wou-uh, I think what we're asking tonight is, if- if you think that this partnership is wo- is worth pursuing on this particular lot,we're going to get to work on it right away so that they can enter the design process and meet those objectives. Urn if you want to have um This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of July 12, 2022. Page 7 neighborhood meetings up front, now, then we can do that and that'll, I guess that'll inform the RFP process that we put out and the RFP will you know we could probably turn around and get that out in, I don't know, 60, 60 days, 90 days if we want to have neighborhood meetings first. Urn, I think there's opportunity for neighborhood input. I mean, we're not-we- we-we're asking for consensus around a partnership. We're not urn necessarily saying, you know, uh give us this consensus now and there'll be no engagement. Uh we know there's going to be a minimum level of engagement, which is with the Historic Preservation Commission. But we can work with th-the partners um to- to provide other engagement opportunities. I don't know what that looks like right now, but urn, uh I- I don't want you to think like,this is the one window we have for neighborhood engagement. And- and if- if- if we don't hit it,we can't proceed. In my view we can- we can figure that out. Um, I'm not sure we'll meet all expectations, but. Teague: Uh at least for me, I think neighborhood or just the public involvement informed my decision. Urn and so certainly if we can have some neighborhood and you know and ga- Good Neighbor meetings of some type, hear from the urn HPC, then I will be better- informed to make a decision as to what direction it give staff personally. Taylor: I- I agree, Mayor. I- I was pleased, really pleased to see this project because I think myself and many others in the community have been trying to talk the school district into revitalizing that Home Builders program. And my- my nephew in Des Moines over 20 years ago,was part of a program in Des Moines School District, and still 20 years later, driving by that house he is so proud,you know that I- I helped build that house. It's- it's a really good program and I that- I- I was most pleased with that process„but having the Housing Fellowship also involved in it uh,was really important. But I do think urn, an important piece of the process is the historic preservation part of it. And in light of the letter from the from Kevin Boyd, urn, I- I do think, urn, tha- that we should maybe pause a bit on decision until after their meeting, which is Thursday,but I don't know if that's going to screw up our timeline then, but I think out of respect to them,we- we should do that but. Alter: If I may, and this is with respect, I honestly, I did hear from a number of people and was like, yeah, the process part really bears some questioning. But I will also say that urn, it seems very clear to me that this was an incredibly rare opportunity that literally sort of fell from the sky in a very quick time. And so this is sort of it's- it's going in reverse of usual process that hasn't had to occur, but is normally done on good faith. And- and I think that I'm mindful of some conversations that we've had recently about wanting to be very clear about what our strategic goals are. And this is an opportunity that's going to help with the future of our economy through kids getting skills, through mentorship,by being able to work through infill. And I realize it is not the exact configuration of Missing Middle. However, this is actually giving Affordable Housing in perpetuity in the core neighborhood. So I feel in many ways, I'm actually inclined to say yes, I would vote for this to go forward because I think this is an opportunity that well you all know me, I'll be blunt, I think we'd be foolish to pass this up, I really do. And I- and this is also me This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of July 12, 2022. Page 8 saying, and we need public input, but there will be time for it. And I think that it's- it behooves the council to put that to- to make sure that that happens right. To- staff needs direction, wants direction, for us to say, let's make sure that there's plenty of opportunity once this land has been purchased and plans are put in place for public input and for the core neighborhood and for the Historic Preservation Commission to be able to say, what does this need to look like to fit this area? I just, I, I do respect everyone on this and I respect the need for input. I just think this is an opportunity that would be incredibly short-sighted of us to-we-we're looking for purity. We're not going to be able to check everything. And this is, there's so much good that could come from this. And there will be public input. It's not like all of a sudden someone just like go to it. Let's build something. So I- I just- I'm sorry, I felt very strongly there for a moment. I was like, I just, I can't disagree more. Weiner: Well, I can tell you as the parent of someone who participated in- in the first student build, um, project done in Iowa City in years, several years ago through Kirkwood Community College, that it is an amazing opportunity, that they produce the one tha- that Leah worked with was for-with uh, urn, the Reach for Your Potential. They produced a house over the course of the summer in which five persons with disabilities now live. It's a beautiful house. It fits with the neighborhood where it was built. Urn, these-the young people are under the instruction of- of construction- of construction and house, uh, and- and professionals. They are only there during certain hours of the day. Um, it's not you know this is- it's uh- if we- if we want to support young people staying in this community,young people learning the trades, um and young people theb being invested in this community as well as people in the neighborhood seeing that they are investing in their young people to be part of this community. Urn, with a process that will we- that will require absolutely that Historic Preservation approve the design or have a say in the design to make sure that it fits into the neighborhood. Urn, I uh, it's really hard. Er yes, I understand the process is a little bit backwards and we can make sure that everybody has their say in the design to make sure that they are uh- they are okay with it. It's to me, it's having seen it in person and having seen, like my daughter is now a, urn a- an apprentice with the carpenters union here in part- large part because of that program. Urn, this is a great opportunity and I want to make sure that yes, there is ro- there's also uh, room for- for the input that needs to happen. Teague: Once we sell this property can we have a design concept or a-uh [OVERLAPPING] Hightshoe: Yeah. Uh, like I said, we'll enter an agreement,we'll have a deed restriction. We can have a Good Neighbor policy regarding the design. It's going to be-the way it's owned now it's going to be a single-family home. Teague: Yes. Hightshoe: We might be able to do two. W-we can't just rezone just one lot. So we could do a form based code,but tha-that cou- that'd be for an area, it wouldn't just be for one lot. So This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of July 12, 2022. Page 9 if you want to wait to get that Missing Middle and rezone like a whole neighborhood that- that's going to take some time that we'd miss this opportunity. So the question is that the design of the home because it's going to be a single-family home,possibly two single- family homes. So what does that design look like? We can have a Good Neighbor meeting, we can get that input. We can have that- I'm pretty sure that Housing Fellowship and GT and Home Builders would welcome that design comment, then that design would go to the ho- Historic Preservation Commission to ultimately approve or comment, urn, to get approval. So a Good Neighbor meeting is not- I don't think that's the problem. Teague: Okay. Thomas: I'll just mention that you know Missing Middle has been as a- a concept that's been you know applied in many, many communities across the United States. And this issue of how well will it work in a single-family zone has be-has been addressed uh, with the concept of applying a pilot program,you know. Rather than just saying we we're going to allow an- a zoning,you know change for a zoning code, which will be applied to a large area, you identify a site which, provides an opportunity to pilot the concept through a community planning process uh, so that it's allowed to be studied on that site. Uh and so that-that was one concept that- that I had in mind. I mean would we, you know, Opticos was involved in this effort 5,6 years ago, whenever. You know, it was quite some time ago. Urn, you know the- they designed Missing Middle prototypes for that site, um.You know,unfortunately,we haven't moved forward on the concept of the form-based code over this period. But it- I have seen that other cities have applied the concept of a pilot program as a way of,uh, testing an idea without committing to it on a broad scale. So that you have an opportunity to -to work through whatever issues may- may come up before opening it up. Hightshoe: We'd have to work with legal to see if we can do that. Thomas: Yeah, I know. I understand that. Harmsen: Go ahead, Laura. Bergus: Uh, I-I just think it's really important that we understand the strategic priorities that this partnership and this opportunity would support. And for myself who literally campaigned on process,right? I'm like process is so important and I'm gonna to get it and make sure that we have processe that are reliable and effective and people know what to expect. I completely support this partnership. I think it's very important that we not lose this opportunity. And I agree with what my colleagues,uh, Janice and Megan were saying about there will be the opportunity for public input. And I don't want us to micromanage that at the front end and lose this chance when we know that those who are really invested in the core neighborhoods and at the,urn, Historic Preservation Commission are going to have those chances. They're the ones who should be receiving that input directly anyway, not- not us at this stage. And so if we delay and lose this opportunity, we would This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of July 12, 2022. Page 10 be foregoing permanent affordable housing on an infill site in the core neighborhoods, which is like a unicorn. I really don't want to-to miss that opportunity. The partnerships that we would have with-through the Home Builders Association with the school district, with The Housing Fellowship, as I think Geoff said,um, I think we have really good assurances that that would be successful based on our prior relationships, based on projects and work that we've seen, based on the people who are involved,we can be confident in that. Legally we can restrict what has to happen there. We can say if we're selling this lot, it's going to be for this kind of you know, this program and here are the parameters that it has to fit within. So we will know what will happen and then it won't become something different in the future. Um, and the net-zero, I- I just think this checks so many boxes. It would be silly for the idea of you know, a - a perfect project which I understand John, that desire to- to have more-more front end input. But I think the idea of maybe missing this opportunity for that would be just real-really would be a shame. I also feel very strongly, so- [LAUGHTER] about it. Thank you. Harmsen: Hey, I was just gonna say I -I would agree with the-the last three-uh, three statements, uh. Uh, this is- is a great opportunity, urn, the education. And again, agreeing with-there are concerns about process and had this come to us, if it had been existed four months ago, I'd be all down for like the RFP if we had time to do that. I honestly can't imagine an RFP that would-would excite me as much as everything that comes- uh, that comes with this, uh, especially partnering with, you know, the school district or the educational opportunities. One other box I'm just gonna throw out there that could be easy to check and maybe you already do this but would be to partner with some of our local trade unions, our carpenters and so on?Urn, to - to have some sort of- there's- I think there's some real opportunities there just to toss that out there. Um, you know, if you're looking for extra- extra boxes to check I think that would be a great one. Um, but yeah. So I would- I would definitely agree with- with thinking this would be a partnership that is good enough that it's sort of overcomes some of these- these shortcomings that normally would- would be more of a stumbling block, so. Teague: I'm convinced. [LAUGHTER] Urn, the- the reason I'm convinced is that I think the design process is more of a concern uh, that I had for the delay,but I- I would agree that this opportunity is great. I would agree that the,the partnerships uh, would be great. We're not talking about partners that we're gonna second guess what their real motives are,urn, you know should they get this- uh, should they get this property. We don't know what the value of this property is, what we're selling it for. But that'll come urn- I'm assuming once we fi- figure out, you know, what is the land uh,worth. Urn, so I guess for me, um, I-the majority of what I'm hearing is support for ah, moving forward, um, and I can support that as well. Alter: We just have to make sure I think in- in good faith that we do the outreach to make sure that we get the feedback at- at the moments when we, you know, bef-well, in advance. Urn, and as part of the process, it's just we're doing it a little bit in reverse because it fell from the sky or- or flew in I don't know. What is the- This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of July 12, 2022. Page 11 Bergus: Whatever unicorns do. Alter: Yeah. Harmsen: We are talking about houeses, so they do tend to drop like once in a while, right? Hightshoe: So for Good Neighbor meeting, it's the Northside Neighborhood Association, is there any other I mean, usually we invite neighbors within so many feet of the- the home. Is there anyone else you want us to include for a Good Neighbor meeting? Teague: No one else that I can think of,unless. Harmsen: This might be something that the HPC might have some thoughts on too. Teague: Oh, sure. Okay. Alter: And they're meeting.. What? In two days? Harmsen: In two days. Hightshoe: We can communicate that [OVERLAPPING] Thomas: It is of general interest as I was saying. So, yeah we need to think about what-what the engagement consists of. Hightshoe: We-we can bri- brief staff for the HBC meeting. Jessica can talk about - with the commission at that-at that Thursday meeting. Teague: Yeah. Oh, great. Thank you. Fruin: So the next step will be for us to return with an agreement to sell the property to the uh, Housing Fellowship. And we'll...your conversation is very helpful, we'll be able to anticipate more of the conversation that will come at that moment, at that time and be able to speak to that. Teague: Okay. Alter: Thank you. Teague: All right. Awesome. Thanks. We're- anymore items from information packets?USG already gave their report. Any council updates? Last call. Hearing none, we are adjourned. Enjoy your night. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City City Council work session of July 12, 2022.