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Home My WebLink About1997-01-13 TranscriptionJanuary 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 1 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session 7:00 PM Council: Nov, Baker, Kubby, Lehman, Norton, Thornberry, Vanderhoef. Staff: Atkins, Woito, Karr, Franklin, Davidson, Miklo, Fowler, O'Neil, Trueblood, Helling. Tapes: 97-3, Side 2; 97-4, all, 97-5, all. Review Zonin~ Matters 97-3 S2 a. Public heating on an ordinance amending the Zoning Chapter by changing the use regulations on a 40.7 acre parcel located on the north side of Rohret Road, east of Highway 218, from RS-5, Low Density Single-Family Residential, to OSA-8, Sensitive Areas Overlay/Medium Density Single-Family Residential. (REZ96-0020) Miklo/Our first item is a p.h. on a rezoning of 40 acres located on north side of Rohret Road .... proposal... currently zoned RS-5 .... proposal is to rezone it to RS-8 with Sensitive Areas Overlay ....includes several different housing types (presents map) .... Kubby/What is s.f. condominiums? Miklo/There is one lot that has s.f. houses that are sold as condominiums. (refers to map). Where these s.f. houses will be on individual lots. Norton/Other than that there is no difference? ..... Miklo/That is correct. Vanderhoef/ Nov/Didn't they do something similar on Rochester? Miklo/Rochester Hills .... 2-3 unit buildings. The proposal also includes dedication of 8 acres of open space along Willow Creek... provide for extension of Willow Creek Trail .... Shannon Drive... correct from Rohret Road up into the Galway Hills development .... eventually connect to Melrose Avenue .... It will provide for circulation between these two neighborhoods... collector street... not a direct path through the neighborhood .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 2 Baker/ Miklo/(Refers to map). Norton/Where is the little road that cuts down through there? ..... Miklo/(Refers to map). This road goes back into Walden Woods .... Norton/There must be something to the east of that. Why can't it go further east? Miklo/There are houses along there... a row of houses that are currently built .... Vanderhoef/Do we have any plans for a eight foot sidewalk?... Miklo/This would include a eight foot sidewalk ..... make it part of the trail system. Vanderhoef/ Miklo/There is a CZA attached to this. The signatures have not been completed, so this will need to be continued ....Grading and Erosion Control Plan has not been completed at this point ....You can have the p.h. but you should continue it to January 28. Nov/Bob, I have a question about the numbers here... description about this 8.7. acres that is going to have 120 more units. Is that in addition to 40 acres? Miklo/It is part of the 40 acres and it is included with the total, 249 units. Nov/(Refers to map). Norton/ Miklo/The CZA requires that Shannon Drive connects to the property line before lot 52 can develop... to assure that it does get built .... There is also provisions for traffic calming .... And also it stipulates that development of this would require review by P/Z and city council... of lot $3. Thomberry/Do I remember reading something about the city going in on the cost of a bridge? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997, WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 3 Miklo/A box culvert is needed here (refers to map)... serve these two neighborhoods... appropriate for the neighborhood to contribute to the cost of that. Kubby/In terms of the pond, are both of them needed for storm water management? Miklo/Yes, they are. Kubby/Are there other ways of configuring storm water management so the development wouldn't need to take down that small stand of trees? Miklo/There may be ....in terms of this site... difficult. Norton/Where is the grove... the one that would be gone? Miklo/(Refers to map) .... this area is also wooded ..... The Sensitive Areas Ordinance would allow up to 50% of the woodlands to be removed. This is less than 50%. Kubby/...if there is a way to reeonfigure and still allow the kind of density needed to make this economic viable ..... The development is only required to have 1 1/2 acres for green space. Why are they giving the 8.6? .... Miklo/A lot of it would be affected by the Sensitive Areas Ordinance .....wooded... slopes... not practically buildable .... Kubby/How much of it is going to have to be maintained by us? .....Is there going to be an issue of having to mow? ..... Miklo/ .... I wouldn't anticipate that we would want to go in and do a lot of maintenance .... P/R Commission did review this plan and was enthusiastic .... Kubby/Where is the 8.6? Miklo/This area along the creek (refers to map). Larry Schnittjer/That shaded area is the tree ..... Norton/ Mildo/' This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 4 Norton/.Does that area drain anything other than this? .... Miklo/In terms of Willow Creek.9 Norton/ Mildo/(Refers to map) .... Vanderhoef/Was there at one time .... to make a large pond between the two? Miklo/Not that I am aware of. Kubby/In staff report ..... clusters of evergreen on Andrea Court. But that is not part of this CZA. Is that part of the plan? Miklo/That would be part of the final plan which we will see a landscaping plan .... There is'a proposal for an evergreen screening of white pines along the highway and also along Rohret Road .... A landscape plan will be required with the final .... landscaping of Andrea Court. Norton/Bob, what are the virtues to the city of going with this increased density? Mildo/In terms of the City's comp plan, it calls for 2-8 dwelling units per acre in this area .... It is within the comp plan density for the area ..... It does have access to an medal street .... more efficient use of the land .... Thiswill meet the housing demand in a more compact fashion. It provides a variety of housing units in one neighborhood ..... (refers to map) .... Norton/It waszoned RS-5 .... 140, you can see going beyond that .... 250 seems to me to be the high side of that operation .... Miklo/Other option would have been...RS-5. Norton/We had problems with Mormon Trek... sewer capacity .... Miklo/In terms of Mormon Trek, the sewer issue has been resolved with the Abbey Lane Sewer construction and that same issue does not apply to this. Nort'on/... overall support of the west side ..... This' represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 5 Miklo/That wasn't the issue with Mormon Trek .... Vanderhoef/Has there ever been any conversation with the school about wanting another entrance-exit to that area? ..... Miklo/There had been discussion when we reviewed Galway Hills development. There is the potential for an access here (refers to map) ....discussion for a further date ' when Galway Hills is reviewed. Kubby/In our comp plan, what is the lowest category of density? .... Miklo/I believe there might be a rural which is RR-1 .... Norton/Is there any guarantee for senior housing on lot 53? Miklo/Nol there isn't .... whatever goes there will require a rezoning process just as we are going through now. Norton/...traffic density .... Miklo/Depends on the use ..... Nov/Depends on how you define it .... Baker/Bob, were building elevations part of this (can't hear) ....? Miklo/Yes, they are... weren't included in your packet. Baker/...have those for tomorrow nights meeting. Kubby/I noticed... 'discussion ....noise barriers along the highway ..... Miklo/...tw0 rows of white pine .... This will probably be the last phase of development (refers to map) .... there will be some time for those to be established. Nov/Wasn't there something along Rohret also? ..... Thomberry/Is this elevation high, lower or the same as the street? Miklo/It varies along the highway (refers to map) .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997.' WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 6 Norton/How many units do you think will use Coil Drive as their primary access? Miklo/The subdivision or development is designed so that Shannon Drive will be the primary way in and out .... (refers to map)... I would say approximately 25-30 units will go back into these streets ..... Because of the tums required (refers to map), it isn't designed to be convenient for cut through traffic .... Vanderhoef/What is the distance between Shannon Drive and Mormon Trek? Miklo/I would have to check .... 1/4 mile .... Lehman/ ..... Miklo/Larry' says it is 1/2 mile .... Kubby/It will probably be on our docket next time to continue the p.h. and to vote on it .... Miklo/ Thornberry/ b. Public hearing on an ordinance amending Title 14, Chapter 6, entitled "Zoning," by changing the regulations pertaining to childcare facilities. p.h. on amendments to the Zoning Ordinance pertaining to childcare facilities ..... lengthy and complex ordinance .... simpler than it appears. Right now we allow home based childcare facilities in our s.f. zones. This is going to clarify that and specify that the same requirements that the state imposes would be imposed. The major change is for childcare facilities which care for 12 or more children ..... This ordinance would allow them in all zones either as s.c. in lower density residential zones, accessory uses in the industrial zones and permitted or provisional uses in the multi-family commercial office type zones. There are some guidelines that Would need to be followed... play area... buffering requirements .... Lehman/Most of these are set down by the state? Miklo/Several of them are. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session Norton/We want to reiterate them...add to them in case the state backs off. ....No supervision at all for home care, right? For under 12 kids? Miklo/Right.... that is the way it is now .... Norton/ ....There is by and large no supervision for less than 127 Miklo/Our research wasn't that extensive .... what do other communities allow? Norton/...anxious to have some requirements .... not much of any way to enforce it. Miklo/Those aren't so much zoning issues to be concerned about .... inspection issues .... Norton/ Nov/Department of Human Services does some oversight. Norton/ ' Vanderh.oef/'.... Concerned of the statement of no playground equipment in the front and side yards ....terminology ~meant'by side yard ....20 foot from center of the road kind'of thing ....This may be the most appropriate place for them ....One thing that did' come up that I am not real clear about ....exception... that is on page 4c ..... talking about the childcare center, by right ....location ....BDI... might well be places that would choose... wouldn't be on the same lot as the business. Miklo/That would require a special exception in that case. Vanderhoef/She indicated that usually if someone comes to you asking for special · exceptions .... wondering... how many people would think about doing that? Is there a way that we can state something like that...? Miklo/There is a table that we' are attaching that indicates that it is a special exception in industrial zone, that that is an option. Kubby/ Miklo/ .'. :Proctor and Gamble... can do that on site as an accessory use. If Proctor and Gamble and Oral B want to provide one across the street from them on separate lots,'then thatis a special exception in the industrial zone. p~e7 This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 page 8 Council Work Session Nov/ Kubby/ Nov/I think that this special exception point that Dee made is a valid one. Can they apply for a special exception in the industrial zone and say in front of the building? .... Miklo/ ....they wouldn't be able to put it in the first 20 feet from the street... setback buffer from the street .... Kubby/In terms of residential zones, are there any conflicts of having a non-family member who are employees at the childcare center? Miklo/No... If they are going to have more than 11 children, they would require a s.e ..... If they are less than 11 children, they are an accessory use. Kubby/Isn't there another part'of the code that says if you have a business in a s.f. residential zone, you can't have non-family employees? .... Miklo/That applies for home occupations. I am not sure. Nov/ Kubby/I guess I would like us to check that out .... Miklo/ Norton/ Thornberry/.Is .this 11 at one time or 11 total kids? Miklo/The state requirement allows 6 preschool children and then up to 11 over the course of the day .... Thomberry/I could see where you could have a different set of kids on the weekends. Miklo/... just so there are no more 11 at one time. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397' January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 9 Norton/With 11, under 12, which is family home care ....that would not be licensed or anything... Nov/There was a conversation last year... about revising the rules for home businesses. Did you ever go that far? Miklo/No. Nov/I know we discussed it ..... Thornberry/ Miklo/The only restriction on the personnel is they have to live in the residence .... Kubby/I have a question about parking .... sufficient stacking spaces .... There is no formula or number... staff... did have a recommendation... The ordinance didn't ' spell that out .... Miklo/Near the doorway or entry way... stacking spaces or parking spaces that are unencumbered by driveways so that someone could park their car and drop off their children... There will be a site plan review involved in the larger childcare centers .... Kubby/1:20 .is kind of what staff recommends but you didn't want to be that hard and fast in the ordinance? Vanderhoef/I would like to thank P/Z and Planning .... Kubby/...big change .... Thornberry/Appreciated the part of... percentage of working mothers now. It is important .... Norton/Sandy Kuhlman ....her views .... Kubby/... childcare is going to be one of the biggest issues about welfare reform ....This is really going to help .... Thornberry/I tried to find childcare for some of my employees .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 10 Council/(All talking) .... LelYman/Most folks who need childcare are those who can least afford it. Thornberry/A lot of the time. c. Consider an ordinance vacating the north 12.5 feet of the F Street right-of-way for a distance of 75 feet immediately west of First Avenue. (VAC96-0002) (First consideration) Miklo/First consideration of vacation of a portion off Street. d. Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance by changing the use regulations of approximately 7.12 acres located west of Dubuque Street and south of the Iowa River, from County RS, Suburban Residential, to P, Public. (REZ96-0016) (Pass and adopt) Miklo/Pass and adopt of the rezoning of last portion of Water Plant site. This was deferred some time ago so that the City Development Board could review the annexation and they have since reviewed the annexation and approved it. e. Consider a resolution approving the extraterritorial preliminary and final plat of Furrow's Edge, Part II, a resubdivision of Furrow's Edge, Lots 1-4, a two-lot, 16.14 acre residential subdivision with one outlot restricted to agricultural uses, located in Fringe Area A east of Highway 1 and north of Penny Lane. (SUB96-0025) Miklo/Resubdivision of Furrow's Edge. This is on the east side of Hwy 1, just north of · Penney Lane... currently... four lots (refers to map) .... The owner of adjacent property is purchasing lots 3 & 4 and would like to add those to an existing lot in Highland Height's Subdivision and remove the requirement for the street. Lots 3 & 4 are being resubdivided as outlot A and there is a note... restrictions on outlot A... Plat does provide that if this is ever amended to allow residential development, access would come via a drive back to Penney Land rather than opening up an additional access point onto the Hwy 1 ..... The proposal to amend the subdivision for Highland Heights, which is development to the north, to remove the access restriction has been withdrawn. So they are not officially amending the plat to · remove the access restriction. Kubby/Do they still want an access from Outlot A to Hwy 1 ? Miklo/No, this plat would not permit that .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 11 Norton/They wanted it through Lot 7. Miklo/I don't know. We can find out tomorrow night. Norton/ Miklo/ Norton/ Miklo/There was a farm drive that was upgraded and the plat will not be amended to Officially allow him to use that for access. Kubby/Can he unofficially use it? Mildo/That would be a county enforcement issue. Thornberry/ Norton/So we are only dealing with one of these two issues .... Miklo/(Refers to map).Initially the proposal was to allow this driveway to extend to share the curb cut onto Hwy 1. That is no longer the proposal. Vanderhoef/ Mildo/ Norton/There were two things to consider ..... 025 is in front of us .... Miklo/(Refers to map) .... Thomberry/Where is the access to Dingleberry Road? Miklo/That does not appear on this map but it is to the north... two farm access drives .... Thornberry/Is Penney Lane ever' embargoed? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 12 Miklo/Not that I am aware of..,. It may or may not be. It is a private county subdivision street, whereas Dingleberry Road has been in place for some time .... Penney Lane was built as part of this subdivision .... Norton/...complicated set of drawings .... Thornber/y/ f. Consider a resolution approving the preliminary plat of Hollywood Manor, Part 6, an 8 acre, 24-1ot residential subdivision located west of Sycamore Street and South of Burns Avenue. (SUB96-0026) Miklo/The preliminary plat for Hollywood Manor, Part 6 .... 24 lot residential subdivision... (refers to map) ..... As part of this development, Lakeside Drive would be continued into this area and eventually would travel farther to the west .... these lots are fairly large to provide a buffer .... The plat also contains a proposal for a landscaped buffer in that area .... further review of the rest of the design... Kubby/Modified grid pattern... like this better .... efficient... better but it still doesn't really give you the consistent multiple choices that a straight grid gives you .... Do we really' want to encourage the modified grid versus the straight grid for the south side? .... I am just thinking about in the future. Vanderhoef/Going west I have some of the same thoughts... cul de sacs at the end of Lakeside .... (refers to map). Is Lakeside is going to go over and dead-end when it hits Weatherby Park? Miklo/Yeah... likely will be a cul de sac ..... Vanderhoef/ Miklo/(Refers to map). Park boundary is right here. Vanderhoef/ Norton/I don't understand fully what a modified grid looks like .... Kubby/...I am just thinking about the future. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. wso11397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 13 Vanderhoef/For the long term traffic flow in that area, it seems to me that west side should continue on through there. Kubby/The park is there and I don't want this arterial going through the park. Miklo/ Kubby/I ,am just thinking on the other side of Weatherby Park. Council/(All talking). Norton/Can you tell me where the contribution of open space goes? .... It just goes in a general kitty? ..... Miklo/It would go into a fund to be used in this general part of the city. Norton/ Miklo/Weatherby Park is sufficient for this specific area ....So it would be used in this general area. Vanderhoef/And it could be used for development of Weatherby. Miklo/Right. Vanderhoef/Will there be a 8 foot sidewalk on Lakeside Drive? Miklo/N.o, there is a four foot sidewalk on Lakeside Drive. There is a trail connection .... We would anticipate requiring a trail connecting the ends of the cul de sacs .... Vanderhoef/... all of this area to the east... doesn't have any connection... Miklo/The south district plan calls for another collector street in this vicinity to actually -skirt the southside of Weatherby Park. So that will provide both vehicular and · pedestrian access to the park .... g. Consider a motion to authorize the Mayor to forward a letter to the Johnson County Board of Supervisors recommending approval of a request to rezone approximately 40 acres located within Fringe Area C north of Highway 1 West, and west of Landon Avenue, from A-l, rural, to RS-10, Suburban Residential. (CZ9656) This. represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 14 Miklo/Rezoning in the county from A-1 rural to RS-10... roughly a 40 acre parcel .... anticipated... divided into as many as four lots according to.RS-10 standards ..... · This is in compliance with the Fringe Area Agreement for Area C... CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 97-4 SIDE 1 Kubby/Developing in a contiguous manner or clustered manner .... doesn't seem like a very efficient form of development .... Miklo/In subdivision review process we look at issues such as that to make sure... street... connect to adjacent developments .... But the surrounding area is used for agricultural purposes ..... Kubby/.. it should happen closer to town versus so far away .... better planning. Norton/If you keep doing this, pretty soon you got sprawl all the way out there .... Vanderhoef/I had a concern ..... alignment for 965 .... 1/4 to 1/2 mile west to this development. When I looked at the plan to have at least two center lots in this share one driveway .... few entries onto the highway as possible, what crosses my mind... someone with every ten acres comes in with one request at a time, are we going to end up with a whole line up of driveways all the way down there. Miklo/ In order to subdivide this, they would have to do the entire parcel at one time .... This is an existing 40 acre tract that stands as it is and we anticipate that they will request subdivision of this up to four smaller parcels in the future ..... Kubby/If this happens all up and down Hwy 1 ..... So we could be following our Fringe Area Agreement but still have a problem in the future. Thornberry/What is the speed limit on Hwy 1 right there? Miklo/55 mph. Norton/There is going to be two accesses now .... Vanderhoef/ .....So we are talking three driveways in that little short distance. Norton/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 15 Miklo/So when this is reviewed for a subdivision, that is when we will look at putting restrictions on to provide for only one additional access to the highway ....in addition to' the one that is in place .... Norton/ Vanderhoeff Miklo/(Refers to map). It is a concept plan ....issue when we review the subdivision .... Norton/ Miklo/ Kubby/Two accesses... if that should be replicated .... Norton/ Nov/They could have a road at the north end of all of those lots and exit onto Landon. Miklo/The topography for this property is such that that may not be practical ..... Council/(All. talking). Vanderhoef/We know that 965 is probably going to want restricted access ..... Norton/Is there anything we could do now? .... Vanderhoef/That is what I am asking. h. Consider a motion to authorize the Mayor to forward a letter to the Johnson County Board of Supervisors recommending approval of a request to fezone 2.75 acres of a 10 acre property located north of American Legion Road approximately 1.7 miles southeast of Iowa City, from A-l, Rural, to RS, Suburban Residential. (CZ9657) A rezoning in the county...A-1 Rural to RS Suburban Residential .... Fringe Area for this particular area proposals rezonings to allow ten acre lots to be permitted but smaller lots... not be permitted... Are some special circumstances associated with this particular development (refers to map) ....Ten acre parcel, divided into This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 16 five smaller parcels .... existing residential lot in this area... four platted lots here .... We feel it is a reasonable request for the rezoning... Issue with driveways .... this is a high speed corridor .... 55 mph... We would recommend that at the time the county approves the plat, they require a shared curb cut so the driveway for the new resulting lot would enter at the same point .... could branch off... as long as there is not another curb cut .... It is not the best situation in a high speed area such as this .... Therefore in our recommendation, we are recommending approval even though it is not in strict compliance and recommending... county restrict it to one driveway. NOV/We have a letter from people who want a second driveway .... I will give it to Maclan .... Thomberry/ Miklo/They asked. the P/Z Commission not to include that recommendation. The P/Z Commission voted unanimously toinclude the proposal for the driveway restriction ..... Nov/ Norton/Doesn't seem to be too heavy a requirement... This is a really tough problem to maintain consistency on these access on arterials .... Mikio/We have been fairly consistent on major streets .... Norton/ Miklo/ Thomberry/Is the topography conducive to putting in two driveways with one curb cut in that location? Miklo/Yes, it is ....It would only require a short easement. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. ~ WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council ~Work Session page 17 Burling,ton Median. 97-4 S1 Davidson/Karin and I talked with you on December 3 about this .... You indicated some interest... asked us to pursue three specific items which we have done. Karin and David Schoon took this to the DT Strategy Committee .... You can see .... attractive addition to the d.t .... median should be done in context with an overall plan for d.t ..... expenditure of funds for the median should occur only after other needs in d.t. have been met. We also prepared a cost estimate for you .... one of those median islands $71,680 is the projection... attachment in information you received .... We do have irrigation systems, electrical outlets, 15% contingency and ... mobilization of the contractor ..... If you were to do the whole five block corridor at one time, projected expense... $326,400. The final thing you asked us for was to see how the people who have access to the three alleys... limitation of right in and right out movements. We did submit a questionnaire. We received nine in return .... I guess we are just interested in knowing if you want us to go ahead, what your feelings are about it, answer any questions. Next step would be to have a design done... so that we could send it to Ames to have IDOT give us the approval .... We will need to have a design done... Ames will not look at a concept plan. It has.to be a specific design. Baker/...'Are there any other constraints that says we ought to do it now?... Davidson/No, there is no deadline... went into the Near Southside Design Plan and started looking at those elements... things we should be thinking about in the short term, this is one of them ....put it in the CIP some place else... bring it up in 3-4 years. Baker/Strategy Committee is thinking about south of Burlington ..... Seems logical to postpone it. Kubby/Seems like a good idea who time has not yet come. Lehman/List of folks... you contacted .... I don't see Hawkeye State Bank .... Campus Amoco .... I would think that every business along Burlington Street should be surveyed as to how they feel about this .... I did get a call today... I guess I would like some more input from every single business along the street. Davidson/We did the property owners .... just with access to the alley, the three alleys. Lehman/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session Davidson/We were asking them about the right in-right out limitation. Council/(All talking). Vanderhoef/ Davidson/ Norton/What about the University...?' Davidson/I believe that parking area is far enough west, Dee, that that would not be impacted .... I don't think that is mid-block. Norton/. .... down to Madison... that would run into it .... I think it is terrific .... firetrucks like to use that .... Thornberry/This is a pretty straight shot up to the hospital .....pretty busy street ..... Vanderhoef/This may well be one of the reasons that the DOT won't consider it .... Lehman/I think this may be a good idea whose time is not yet here. I would like to put it on the back burner .... Vanderhoef/ Norton/I don't want to see it out too far back ..... Kubby/... throw it to the DT Strategy to put it in a timeframe. Thornberry/$326,000 would go a long ways to improving the d.t. Lehman/ .... let's wait for the DT Strategy Committee gets through with their recommendations .... leave it in their lap to see what they come up with. Nov/...tell me why in 100 feet there is only one tree? Davidson/ There are actually two trees in each one of those. Nov/.On our list it says a single tree for $250. page 18 This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 19 Davidson/...This shows six trees in each one ....We won't go ahead with any design if you are' not interested ..... Nov/ ..... extended cost is where I should have been looking ....I have some concerns about the vinca .... Davidson/The desire here... was to have something that did not require someone to be out there maintaining it ..... could be bricks... number of things that could be done. Nov/ Lehman/ Norton/I don't want to lose the concept .... Kubby/ Norton/What did we do with the $100,000 for CIP in the Southside last year? .... How did we account for that last time? Did we do anything? Davidson/Burlington-Gilbert intersection. Council/(All talking). Nov/Moving on. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 20 Parkine Impact Fees 97-4 S1 Franklin/Back in October you had a discussion of parking facility impact fees and suggested that the existing impact fees be changed. Specifically that the commercial parking facility impact fee be eliminated and that there be adjustments to the residential parking facility impact fee. I have suggested in the memo to you that you address these two things separately .... elimination of the commercial parking facility impact fee is relatively easy in terms of just repealing that particular provision. But I think that you need to, in conjunction with that, also eliminate the commercial parking requirement between Burlington and Court Street .... one space per 1200 square feet for commercial development. The suggestion is that you eliminate the requirement for commercial development, you eliminate the commercial parking facility impact fee and that parking would be allowed still if an entity wished to have parking ....therefore we wouldn't have surface lots on the street .... Kubby/Doesn't that shift the burden to the public sector by even maybe more parking than we were thinking of providing? Franklin/...When we first did the Near Southside Plan, there was a requirement for residential development and a residential parking facility impact fee .... amended... parking requirements were imposed and parking facility impact fee was imposed for commercial. The issue that has been raised by you... lack of commercial development in that Burlington-Court Street corridor and a desire .... to boost that..'.. There is various steps you can go through ..... impact fee would still allow parking on site ..... The d.t. you cannot have parking on site unless the Board of Adjustment approves that ..... Baker/Wouldn't that same requirement make sense for this zone also? Franklin/It certainly could .....you extend the d.t. zoning across to Court Street. Baker/We are building a new ramp on that side .....Our concern... was residential development. Franklin/'It was two-fold ..... commercial... residential .... It was combined concern. The residential becomes more complicated ..... Norton/I agree with the general notion that we want to stimulate commercial development in that area .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 21 Franklin/Understand that commercial development is subject to the market ..... It is always going to be a much stronger market for residential. The theory is take away as many impediments to commercial as possible. Lehman/Isn't that what you told' us a year and a half ago? Franklin/I would never say I told you so, Ernie. Norton/ .... I want to get your opinion about question of dropping parking requirement .... This has to be combined with some further disincentives to residential in that area ....Dropping parking all together or extending CBD requirements in that block? Franklin/From strictly a commercial perspective .... flexibility of being able to provide some parking on site .... is essential .... They want to have parking on site .... that you allow that flexibility. Conversely,. if you allow just the market to determine... danger is parking will take over the site...but that is where the design standards come in... certain limitations .... Nov/CB-2.does allow some parking on site. Franklin/CB-2 does not require- I can't remember .... Baker/Definition of residential and commercial property... Apartments are considered as commercial parking... can separate them out ..... Franklin/A zoning and a fee issue. It is not a tax. Lehman/ Baker/ Lehman/ Norton/ .... disincentive thing. When you talk commercial are you talking totally commercial building or a mixed thing? Franklin/Whatever part of the building that was commercial. We split it up. Norton/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997.. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 22 Franklin/On the Clark project on Buffington Street, there is a fee paid for commercial space and there is a fee paid for the residential space. Baker/... would you then advocate allowing them parking for the residential development on that site? Franklin/Right now they are required to provide up to 50% on site .... Norton/Can '.we turn to residential .... Franklin/South of Court Street is not commercially zoned. Norton/Let's turn to residential... that has to be looked at. Franklin/ .... what would I recommend? Originally when the Near Southside Project was before you ....the staff recommended that there be no parking requirement for residential ....P/Z and the council said oh no got to have parking for residential .... too great of a burden on the parking system because of all the cars that students will bring .... The reason we advocated no parking requirement and no parking on site..'. was to allow very intense use of the property for residential ..... and you don't have the option of having parking on site and you can maximize use of that land then ....It goes into then a centralized facility, a public facility, which we have to'build ....The decision was not do that... hybrid, a parking requirement and a parking facility impact fee ..... Baker/But we are considering increasing the infill residential development because we will be providing public parking based upon development down there. Franklin/You have suggested increasing the fees while making residential more difficult... We will get to where. There is three things you could do with the district boundaries. You can increase the requirement for parking .... Nov/ .....People, these days, do move to town with a car .... Franklin/That was some of the thinking of why there had to be a parking requirement. The reason that it is less than it is ....if you are close to d.t ....that you can walk to a lot of what you are going to utilize ....The price for the parking fee was calculated based on how much it costs to build a space and then ratcheting that This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 23 way down such that it was very conservative. It is $4,000 and some dollars. It costs at least $12,000 to build a parking space in a building. So it is a bargain .... Thornberry/... but how long do you have that $12,000 space and how long is the $4,000 for the space that is paid good for. Franklin/It doesn't give them a space. Thornberry/They pay $4,000... the $12,000 space is there for a long time. Franklin/The $12,000 space, if you build it in the facility is dedicated to that project and the owner has complete control over it and knows that the space is there ..... clients, tenants, or whatever have the right to go in and hunt for a space like everybody else and pay the going rate. Thornberry/$4,000 I think is pretty high. Franklin/ .... the market does not insist on that near d.t. Iowa City .... You would have to make the price so high for the parking facility impact fee I think to really discourage residential development d.t. Norton/ ..;. you want to kind of discourage residential in that first block. Is that correct? Thornberry/We have got elderly housing in that first block... Norton/ Franklin/It is a question that whether with the redevelopment that may occur in that block area... you want to encourage in any way residential development. Norton/Let's suppose you want to discourage residential there. Franklin/If you want to totally discourage it, you zone it out. Norton/I was going to raise the parking impact fee there .... Franklin/This is for residential, not commercial. Woito/If you are going to raise the cost of the parking impact fee, there has to be some rough proportionality of the need created for the parking based on the units being This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 24 constructed and that is why it can never be 100% of the cost or $12,000 or whatever the cost is .... We guestimated maybe 1/3 of the parking... needed being created by that particular apartment or dwelling. So we imposed that parking impact for tB the need. Norton/I don't understand 1/3 of what need .... ? Woito/For an impact fee, there has to be a rational nexus, proportionately calculable between the impact fee and the need being created. The need being created is a place to park by the construction because we require parking. Franklin/ .... said 1/3 of spaces that go into the facility will be used by apartment dwellers, the other 1/3 by commercial businesses .... by others than the apartment dwellers. Woito/The 1/3 of the need is created for the new dwellers .... there is flexibility there. Council/(All talking). Norton/' Franklin/It was one space per bedroom but when you get to two bedrooms or more in CB-5 it is two spaces ..... Norton/ Frank!in/'So you could increase the parking requirement to make it comparable to other multi-family throughout the city. We can look at increasing the fee consistent with what Linda is saying... figure out what would be a rational increase. Nov/A rational increase would depend on fact that it costs more today to build the space ..... Woito/We can do that anyway. Baker/Why isn't it reasonable if you want to discourage .... residential... use of space for parking for residential .... Why couldn't we have an impact fee based upon the number of per bedroom impact fee? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 25 Franklin/You ought to get your fee as closely related to the issue as possible to get the rational nexus. If your parking requirement is reflective of your bedrooms, then you get there .... you change the parking requirement then. Council/(All talking). Franklin/ Baker/ Kubby/ ....formula to figure out how many parking spaces are related to bedrooms. Baker/ Also figuring out cost of demand for city service of parking... created by the construction .... by bedroom. Kubby/If your parking formula is based on bedroom and you have an impact fee per space ..... then you have more impact fee being paid. Norton/I think we ought to do that. Baker/We really don't want that space being taken up by residential parking on those properties. Franklin/Then you have to mess with how much you want on site. Kubby/ ....could be 35% requirement. Norton/If we agree that we are trying to deter additional residential development in the first block, then some combination of fees and requirement... you might work out .... Thomberry/What is the requirement for five bedrooms? Franklin/In CB-5, two spaces per unit. In other areas, I think four. Thornberry/What isit for a two bedroom, 1 1/27 Franklin/No, I think it is two- I just can't remember what it is. Thornberry/I was required to have 1 1/2 for two bedroom. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 26 Franklin/...that was when we did it by unit and it mattered not how many bedrooms you had. Lehman/ I think there is something else we need to look at .....We were requiring two levels of commercial or three or whatever. Look at d.t., very few buildings have commercial on the second floor. You have tons of apartments on the second floor. The largest mall in the state of Iowa is going to be built in Coralville. If we really logically expect development to take place... we may not should be discouraging residential. We maybe should be encouraging residential to help pay for the first floor commercial ..... Kubby/There are tons of second floor commercial offices d.t. Lehman/There are tons of apartments, too ..... Council/(All talking). Norton/In the first block, what are we trying to do about residential? Nov/Have we made a decision to eliminate fees for commercial? Council/(Yes). Franklin/And the parking requirement? Council/(Yes). Franklin/Okay. We will start that through P/Z. They can have parking on site but it has to meet design standards. Okay. With the issue of residential and where you want to discourage it or encourage it, think about that very carefully because one of the principles behind the Near Southside, south of Court Street, is to encourage residential development near d.t. to support the d.t.D.t .... has no restrictions on residential above the commercial development ..... We still have redevelopment .... CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 97-4 SIDE 2 Thomberry/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 27 Kubby/ Franklin/It is hard to know what the dynamics are because Clark did his project on Buffington Street and it is full. It.has to do with the rents I would assume or some other part of it. Council/(All talking). Franklin/I think you want to think seriously about how much you want to discourage residential .... There is opportunity for redevelopment between Burlington and 'Court. D.t. there is really... little opportunity .... 64-1A .... For commercial there may be more opportunities... It is going to take major investment in terms of redeveloping existing buildings ....That is going to take such an investment in getting rid of what is there. Baked .... what we were seeing was a different kind of residential development .... still have . the same number of comparable units but not the same number of comparable bedrooms .... The pressure on public services was being created ..... increased density that ~was being put on those lots... You could justify a change in the residential impact fee based upon the fact that you are having a different kind of residential development occurring. Franklin/ ..... because of parking issues? If you have five bedrooms, then that exacerbates the parking. Norton/Yes, it does. Vanderhoef/... it becomes economically viable for students to share one kitchen area and have their own space within the unit .... people are willing to share the common areas .... This is the way they can afford d.t. living .... Baker/ Kubby/The question... I don't want to accommodate 100% of the perceived need out there because it goes against every reason why we want this denser area. That you don't need the car all of the time .... I don't want to accommodate all of it. Norton/I am confused about where we are on the principle .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 28 Thornberry/I think you don't want to discourage a lot of residential on the second, third, possibly forth floor anywhere .... on Near Southside I can't see having second and third floors being commercial in general .....Secondly, the more people that live close tO d.t. will shop d.t .... Norton/ ..... How can you justify .... building behind the library with its impact on parking with 4 bedroom units .... 144 - 150 bedrooms in that thing? Lehman/A bunch of five bedroom units. Thornberry/Maybe if the University builds their parking lot .... federal parking lot .... I don't want to really discourage residential above commercial on the Near Southside. Baker/ Tonight, we seem to agree on two things. One the majority clearly wants to eliminate commercial impact fee and commercial parking requirements and two there seems to be a majority that says we want to come back and talk about residential development and readjusting- Thornberry/Maybe have it more consistent with multi-bedroom units but not necessarily raise the impact but raise the number of units. Franklin/Why don't I put together a scenario for you of a certain number of units and the · five bedroom apartments and change the parking requirements and see what the fee would be under the existing and then play with- Lehman/It would appear to me that we certainly would want to encourage commercial development at least on the first floor .... Can we build residential on the first floor? Franklin/No. Nov/ Baker/Straighten out about the first floor being used for- Franklin/You have to maintain a certain percentage of your frontage along the street in commercial development .... You can have parking inside or to the rear of the building on that first floor but the streetscape has to be commercial use and it has to be to a certain depth .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13~ 1997 Council Work Session page 29 Baker/I thought we had talked about trying to maintain that, first floor 100% commercial space .... concern that there was a loop hole that allows the parking requirement to consume the available commercial space. Lehman/ ....topography ....parking...: below grade .... Franklin/Frieda's plans for that... have an entrance offof Dubuque Street into an underground facility. Norton/So you are going to play with this? Baker/Clarify that residential component .... Do we still have a requirement that hotels pay the impact fee plus they have to buy permit after that? Franklin/Yes. This will eliminate that. Baker/But we still are going to require them to buy the permits, aren't we? Franklin/Yeah, they have to either provideit on site or make a deal in a city facility. Okay. I am going to take to the P/Z Commission the elimination of the parking requirements for commercial in the CB-5 and eliminate the parking facility impact fee would be eliminated then at the council level and we will do a scenario of a residential development with five bedroom units and looking at increasing the parking requirements, see how the fees shakes out with some different limitations -there. Kubby/About how the affects will be .... rules have to be the same between Burlington and 'Court and south of Court. Franklin/We can redefine what the parking impact fee district... but we are going to have to articulate the reason why that is a distinction. Norton/ Vanderhoef/Is there any reason still why we shouldn't be considering extending the d.t. to Court Street? That is the other scenario that we haven't talked about very much... that is one that I would like to see. Franklin/That is just a decision as to whether you want to have that zone CB-10 or not. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session Kubby/ Norton/'..'. then theycouldn't do parking even if they wanted to .... Franklin/Part of this median was to connect the d.t. with the Near Southside ..... Kubby/But it still is a demarcation no matter how pedestrian oriented Burlington Street .... It helps become a transition to south of Court Street. There is a natural flow there ..... Norton/ Vanderhoeff We have had one just come in ....went to Board of Adjustment and got that parking. Nov/The Clark Building. Vanderhoeff If it is that important... that is another scenario that they can go. Kubby/It also makes it more expensive .... If we extend that d.t. zoning, we also take on bigger responsibilities to provide. parking... more than two ramps south of Buffington Street .... Thomberry/I don't think south of Burlington needs to be CBD. Vanderhoef/I don't know that. I am asking about that .... Lehman/ Thomberry/Are you just going to go two, five or two, three four, five bedroom? Franklin/I would take it up to the five bedroom parallel with other multi-family throughout the city. Thomberry/ Baker/ Franklin/The parking requirements for multi-family for efficiency and one bedroom is one space per; for two and three bedroom it is two; for four bedroom it is three and for page 30 This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 31 five.bedroom it is four. It would be using that then. Okay, I think I know what you want. Nov/One more question. Do we want a parking impact fee for residential buildings in CB- i0 zone? Thomberry/No .... Lehman/How many properties could possibly be affected? .... Council/(All talking). Kubby/ Franklin/ Council/(All talking). Franklin/You are going to have the Parking Study very soon .... next work session. Norton/Timely. Franklin/Could I ask you something that is not on the agenda? Nov/Yes. Franklin/I sent you a memo about the skywalk schedule .... forget it. The University is not going to be ready for any of those dates ....Stay tuned. They are doing a revised drawing and it is just a matter of time. Kubby/ .. Franklin/ Nov/The last I heard they were going to offer some options. Franklin/Focusing on a redesign of the second floor. Thomberry/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 32 Nov/The skywalk across Market Street... does have a sloped floor inside at both ends .... Baked Thomberry/ Baker/A tunnel would cost $300,000 more? Nov/That is what happened in the Design Review Committee... minutes... If that is a real number, that is trivial .... Franklin/I didn't mean to bring up a topic that wasn't on your agenda. [Council Break 8:55 to 9:10 PM] This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 33 Airoort Land Acouisition Proiect/l)evelooment Consultant 97-4 S2 Nov/We are on airport land. Ron- . Ron O'Neil/A couple of topics that I wanted to discuss with you tonight. The first one, in order to implement the 96 Master Plan .... land acquisition and easements of our safety areas and the Commission advertised and interviewed firms to do this project for us .... Working on a contract for a firm from Naperville, Illinois .... Our first step is going to have to be to secure our safety areas ....land and easements that we are looking at now. Kubby/Will those individually come before council for a votes? The different acquisitions and easements? O'Neil/No, 'it will be a packaged deal and it will be through the Commission. We are working certainly very closely with the Legal Department. Woito/City Attorney's Office. I am not a city department .... I had promised Ron that we would explain in detail the land acquisition, potential litigation in executive session .... Kubby/So are we going to go forward with the process before we have been briefed on it? Woito/No. What Ron is telling you about is the consultant. O'Neil/ Woito/And he needs money from you for that. Norton/ O'Neil/We are now working on the contract .... it would be an agenda item at your next meeting. The contract would be contingent on council and FAA approval. This is a project that would be 90% fundable by the FAA... reimbursed for this. Vanderhoef/Don't they have to approve it first? O'Neil/At this.point we do not have a grant in hand. Vanderhoeff This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 35 Lehman/But if we have to buy 450 acres of land, 10% of the cost is going to be to the City of Iowa City, assuming the federal government pays the other 90%. Can we take the proceeds from sales of industrial lots to help cover that 10%? Woito/If we have already purchased it with city money alone, the answer is yes. If part of it is 90%, the answer is no. Lehman/We can't use any of it to cover our 10%? Nov/ O'Neil/ Lehman/We are talking about the industrial lots that we have owned for years and years and years. Woito/If we used federal funds to purchase them initially, then the answer is no, we can't recoup. Lehman/ O'Neil/If we didn't use federal money, if we sold them, we would not have to reimburse anybody. Yes we could use it for our 10%. Norton/ Nov/This is assuming federal money was not used to purchase the property. Norton/ Vanderhoef/It might be interesting to find that out. Norton/How much of it is available? O'Neil/Well, I know how much. The only land purchased with any federal money was about- well it was 40 acres and it is land that we still need... for what we purchased it for and we would not be selling any of that parcel. That is west of the airport .... Vanderhoef/And the rest of it was purchased by city money? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 34 O'Neil/ Lehman/Are we guaranteed reimbursement? O'Neil/It certainly meets the criteria of being eligible. When that will happen, I don't know .... I have been given every indication that we are going to get some money in the next FY .... October. Lehman/ O'Neil/This part of it, the Master Plan has in there that the consultant fees for everything .... is allocated in there at $2.5 million. That is for the land acquisition and it is actually like $2.4 million for land acquisition and I think $100,000 for the consulting part of it. Lehman/We need to acquire the property... negotiate or condemn it .... If when the project is completed and we are able to sell off parcels of that property for industrial development, can the proceeds of the sell of those parcels be used to help offset the cost of the property that we are going to acquire? O'Neil/If we bought property, acquired with federal funds- Right now, of the 450 acres, we have been reimbursed, we have federal funding for, I believe, 11 acres .... The majority of property... if we wanted to sell it, we would not have to reimburse the federal government. Lehman/Can we use that money to recover the city's costs of acquiring this extra property, our 10%? O'Neil/I would think we could. Vanderhoef/ Woito/If the property has been acquired with federal money, then that money that we received from the proceeds, need to go either back to the feds or for additional acquisition for the 90/10 grant. There can not be a windfall. It has to be maintained in federal use, federal aviation use. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 36 O'Neil/I suppose maybe 12. Norton/Can that be part of our 10% then? O'Neil/If you sold some of it, yes, if it was not needed for aviation uses. Thomberry/Will the Airport Commission say it is airport land, it is not the city's land? .... The Airport Commission is under the impression that once property is acquired, that it is the Airport's Commission. Woito/They have control over it by State law. Thornberry/So we can't turn around and sell it ..... The Airport Commission would turn around and sell it and say that is our money. O'Neil/Airport Commission cannot sell any property- Thornberry/Without our permission .... they would lease it. Would they say that is the Airport's money? O'Neil/I have learned not to second guess the Commission. Council/(All talking). Kubby/...just reduce the General Funds money .... Thornberry/ Kubby/There is a yearly General Fund amount .... correspondingly reduced. Thornberry/ Kubby/ O'Neil/The airport operating budget right now, the income that comes in does pay the operating expenses .... Nov/We are getting off the track. Please explain what the whole package is .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 O'Neil/ Kubby/ Nov/ January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 37 O'Neil/There are six parcels that need to be purchased in fee simple and there are approximately 20 navigation easements that are in safety areas that we need to purchase. Nov/Easements plus property acquisition plus consultants is what we are talking about. O'Neil/That is correct. Kubby/Have there been interviews for the consultant? O'Neil/Yes, one has been selected. We are negotiating the contract at this point. Kubby/Is it the same consultant? ..... O'Neil/No, this is a firm that deals specifically in land acquisition ..... Kubby/Does Jerry deal with that topic at .all? ..... O'Neil/He has some limited experience .... work out subcontracted... field representative ..... During Master Plan... we do know there are... one or two ... interested in selling. Kubby/I thought Jerry Searle worked very well with the Airport Commission... with public... and people who own property around the area... If there is anyway that that foundation that has been built up can be continued ..... O'Neil/ ....we are limited on what we can dictate to the firm that was selected ..... Woito/If you want that reimbursement of 90%, you have to follow the federal procedures and they are very strict. .... public bidding process .... .... Jerry has a way of dealing with different kinds of people .... Thornberry/ '- Kubby/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 38 Norton/ O'Neil/For the overall package, this firm that was chosen by far had the most experience .... Thomberry/ O'Neil/We are trying to have the firm that we selected subcontract out some of it .....field rep ..... Nov/I think we have pretty well covered this, thank you. O'Neil/So I will be coming to you as soon as we get the contract worked out .... The other thing that I wanted to talk to you about is the Commission discussed .... the north part of the airport property that we were looking at... borders on Ruppert Road... they want to develop... mostly commercial development in that area. I think they have talked about it .... time is now to bring somebody in... Planning Department .... they really didn't have time to put the package together for us. I need to know if there is support from the council to get a firm to come in and not only help design and lay that out but market it for us also. Thornberry/Why can't the Planning Department do it? Norton/Too many things on their plat. Kubby/I want to know cost. O'Neil/... bid for scope of services ....interview firms and then select one... Norton/ Kubby/It is a reimbursable cost in terms of our Master Plan? O'Neil/No, not at all. Nov/...The same one is not going to be able to do both of these? O'Neil/ ....they are so specific .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 39 Lehman/Ron, this was property that was purchased by the city? O'Neil/That is correct. Lehman/I have not problem in authorizing you folks to find a consultant as long as the proceeds from the sale of that property is applied to the 10% that we have to .. spend to acquire the land you were talking about earlier. O'Neil/Again, I don't know the mindset of the Commission ..... lease... would reduce the dollars... more income would come out bottom line the same. Norton/ O'Neil/Any additional income... beneficial .... Nov/And this is property that does not depend on the new sewer line being constructed? 0'Neil/That is one of the things to see if it is a sewerable area .....interest expressed by Skaters Alliance, Science Center... Public Works .... Thornberry/ O'Neil/In the north boundary at the end of 17 .... 26 acres 3-4 years ago we rezoned .... We want to put a plan together that shows how that whole area could be developed .... secondary egress over the Riverside Drive .... Thornberry/The city authorizes the expenditure of money to look at building a street and getting properties .... and the city is going to be paying for the street...sewer...? O'Neil/Depends .... as part of the marketing, we think what you should do is lure a single developer... certainly an option. Thomberry/ Nov/ Thornberry/It is the city expenditure of money and can we use that money to offset anything else and the answer is no. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 40 O'Neil/Get to a point that the airport is self sufficient .... more income and less General Fund ....I need a should we go forward?... contract would come back to the council .... Thornberry/What time frame are you looking at? .... O'Neil/There' is nothing to hold us up... let's start the process ....contingent upon approval of the city council .... Vanderhoef/Until we know a price tag, who knows. Thornberry/Get us a price. Norton/ O'Neil/ Kubby/Does the consultant come back to us? .... O'Neil/Until you have the answers you want, the consultant doesn't start their project .... Norton/So we get a proposal about the consultant .... Woito/But you will not approve the consultant contract per se. It won't be on your agenda. Is Eleanor going to put it on the agenda? O'Neil/When we get to that point, it will have to be because it will be a council decision to fund that consultant. Norton/ Woito/You are going to have the council as well as the Commission approve the consulting agreement? Is that what you and Eleanor have decided? O'Neil/Funding for it has to come from council. Woito/I know that. But it doesn't go on their agenda for approval. Thornberry/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January '13, 1997 ' Council Work Session page 41 Woito/I just want to make sure that you guys know you are not going to be signing on the dotted line. O'Neil/On the. Master Plan, we had a grant in hand so we had funding. Norton/What about the acquisition consultant? O'Neil/You will have to approve the funding for it. Will they officially have to approve that funding for it? Nov/We need a resolution to approve that funding. O'Neil/I don't want to go on $2.5 million on my word. Woito/We promised a formal presentation to the council, Ron. We need to coordinate this on the land acquisition. Atkins/As I understand this, there is no appropriation for the land acquisition consultant. There is no appropriation for the development consultant. Traditionally .... the Commission has sought contract for services and Ron would budget accordingly .... Number of things you can choose to do. You can have the Airport Commission... put out proposals, identify the consultant, bring the recommendation back to you and you don't have to sign it but them signing it with no money doesn't accomplish anything .... I am assuming Ron is saying.. we will bring back a rei:ommendation for these consultants and if you authorize the signature .... Nov/He is.talking about land acquisition ....seems to me we have to authorize it. Atkins/.The land acquisition project is part of the Master Plan implementation and what you are going to be doing... you will be authorizing purchases of land which means we have to front the money .... Ron is saying you have a potential for several million dollars in land acquisition obligation that we have to front that we will be reimbursed at some time in the future. The other issues... sale of land, lease of land, the cash... peripheral issue .... Thomberry/We don't have a line item on it in this budget? Atkins/No, you do not. I think this is somewhat unusual for the Airport Commission .... major project underway, they are going to need substantial amounts of cash from you, they are bringing to you their development... for your blessing. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 42 Nov/ Woito/We need some formal action. Arkins/I think you would be better off approving a resolution which means you give authorization to your commission and airport manager to go do it .... Kubby/For both consultants? Atkins/I think for both consultants, yes, I do. Atkins/One is for land acquisition and one is for the development plan. Nov/ O'Neil/We will probably have something .... contract on land acquisition and easements... for your next meeting in two weeks. Kubby/So we will have this e.s., Linda, before these resolutions? .... Woito/My understanding that Ron is only talking here about a consultant contract which Eleanor is draRing and negotiating. I didn't realize that you were going to be getting into all these other things. So we need to coordinate. O'Neil/...time frame of funding from the FAA- CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 97-5 SIDE 1 Atkins/ ..'...we haven't undertaken a project of this magnitude. Kubby/...This is big stuff. Arkins/It is not unlike the Library relationship ..... Kubby/...fronting... $10 million .... ' This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 43 Arkins/I need to get involved with Don so they know they can go out and make these deals and the cash will be made available to them knowing the reimbursement process takes some time. O'Neil/ Norton/I have asked several times... I thought we had blessed the Master Plan- Arkins/You have. Norton/ O'Neil/It is a plan... very good plan... We are moving to the next level. Norton/These are just details within a commitment that has already been made. Atkins/I agree with you, Dee, yes. That is what I understand. Kubby/When we are talking about fronting this kind of money .... that investment .... We need to really understand as much as we can about what is going on. Atkins/I agree with you. Norton/We need to look at each step .... have to move along .... Vanderhoeff We have not put a time table to it ....It may well be time to look at this time table in terms of our dollars. Thomberry/Since we have approved the expenditure of a million dollars- Atkins/You have identified a capital project in the amount of 10% of the funding for the Airport Master Plan implementation... approximately $1 million .... We have to pay the bills well in advance .... then we have to go back and get reimbursed ..... principle remains the same... We need to plan our cash flow .... Thomberry/Do we need something in the budget for this year? .... This represents only a reasonably accurate' transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 44 Atkins/Right now you do not need any capital monies identified. These contracts... negotiations. i.. appropriations .... costs are reimbursable. The development consultant... that is something we have to come up with .... Nov/This current consultant is going to be in this year's budget. Vanderhoef/ Thornberry/ O'Neil/It will probably take... management plan together... assuming they get started pretty soon... mid-summer. Atkins/Airport Commission .... permitted to pursue up to $100,000 .... They go out and make a deal, Linda's office will have to confirm all the paperwork... at that point we will begin planning .... O'Neil/Consultant and planner's fee... minute part of overall picture .... There is no use starting the Plan if you are not going tO follow this whole phase through. Thomberry/We have committed to that. O'Neil/Thank you. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session Recreation Fees 97-5 S1 Terry Trueblood/I am just here to answer questions .... Nov/I have a couple of questions about the type of increase, degree of increase. Are you sure you need that degree of increase? Annual passes are going from $98 to $118, swim passes... big spread ....Potter's Studio... I was wondering if you don't want to go to $45 at FY99. Trueblood/We might very well. We review those fees every year .... Nov/The annual youth pass for swimming is going up a great deal this year. Trueblood/Those passes, both adult, youth and family, are all based upon what the daily fees are .... Nov/The adult did not increase and the youth did .... a great deal .... Vanderhoef/That is the annual .... Nov/I am curious why the adult annual pass.did not increase and the youth annual pass did .... ? ' Trueblood/The youth pass increased because because the youth daily fee increased .... Gradually get to the point where youth and adult admissions are the same .... We didn't want to do it all at once .... Kubby/ Karr/#20 & 21, separate resolutions. Norton/ Trueblood/... It is based on swimming X number of times per week. Vanderhoef/The projections for '99 and 2000, are those running real close to the 45% as you anticipate? Trueblood/For '99 and 2000 we don't know yet .... based on the budget ....We review these every year and adjust accordingly .... p~e45 This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 46 Vanderhoef/There hasn't been any conversation about decreasing that self imposed 45%? Trueblood/Yes, there has been some. It is getting more and more difficult to do that and still try to keep things affordable .... If the state imposes a higher minimum wage .... · then we are going to have to come back... increase fees or reduce expenses or talk about the 45% .... Norton/ Vanderhoef/Sales tax, I don't appreciate the sales tax in there ....on admission to the swimming pool .... Nov/We also pay tax on the water. Norton/ Trueblo0d/ Lehman/Do we pay for our water? Trueblo0d/Yes. Council/(All talking). Kubby/Isn't that something we could lobby on. Atkins/We do that every year.. sales tax on your water... services that Terry's department provides .... Kubby/ Trueblood/ Nov/Okay, thank you. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 47 Transit Routira, 97-5 SI Fowler/During the budget session last year, one of the topics of discussion... talk about Transit routing and Transit requested, I requested a delay this fall ..... to allow for some recovery from changes that had occurred over the summer with rate increase and service reductions. We had predicted about a 17% reduction which is what occurred ... recovered .... backto less than 10% from a year ago .... We are seeing a return of the riders and adjustment .... If you do give us direction to go ahead and do this, it would be a joint effort, JCCOG, Transit employees .... Everybody would have a say if we go ahead and do this. I have given you a couple of possibilities that you might want to look at ....Anything we do that has major implications... will require the p.h. process ....Could continue with currein blanket service we have now .... We could adopt Coralville mode which would be to base service upon demand and that would require reducing or eliminating service in certain areas of town .... Third option would be a combination .... to continue blanket service during the peak hours .... then during the day go to a demand system .... The other thing would be to scrap everything we have got and go back to the drawing board and start over again .....circular routes ....do same thing on west side ....actually maybe be doubling service people could get with same number of buses .... By middle of the summer we hope to be completely lif~ equipped on our fixed route fleet. That will require some more time for our drivers .....building in some additional lay over time .... Thornberry/How many wheelchairs can one bus accommodate at one time? Fowler/Two. Thornberry/What happens if you come along a third one? Fowler/...by federal law... you don't have to offer them service... we have a lifted equipped van... go out and get the passenger with that. Norton/Joe... I thought when we made the changes... thinning it out in certain areas and certain hours? .... Fowler/Yes... done at night service... certain areas of town... did it on Saturdays. Norton/ Vanderhoef/Nights and Saturdays only. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting 0f January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 48 Norton/ Nov/I wonder if it isn't time to re-design... our blanket no longer appears to cover. Kubby/...need to redesign ....we really could provide more service to neighborhoods .... Fowler/...Example... Plaenview Route ....standing room only now .... Vanderhoef/ Fowler/We doubled the service in the Westwinds area... giving people more options, we got more riders. Norton/ Fowler/ Norton/ Fowler/We would consider everything. Thomberry/I think it is time to re-design. Nov/ Fowler/As areas are developing ....potential to get riders .... Lehman/ Council/ Vanderhoef/Go for it. Nov/A re-design. Fowler/A lot of common sense and input from people .... drivers that were interested were asked to contact .... drivers that want to have input, too. Council/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 49 Kubby/What is the direction about blanket service though? .... Lehman/I think we should try to maintain blanket coverage at least during peak times. Beyond that I think we should be somewhat demand driven. Vanderhoef/ Thornberry/If we are expanded outward .... Council/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 50 Low-Income Policy 97-5 S1 Nov/... put that one off again ....This is not something we need to decide. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 Januap./13, 1997 Council Work Session page 51 An~ointments 97-5 $1 Nov/Does anybody have any objections to the people who applied being appointed? Vanderhoef/None. [Baker let~ 10:05 PM] This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session Council At, enda/Time 97-5 SI 1. Nov/Marian... meeting schedule? Karr/Note revision #3 to the March schedule and again, point out that you have got the 17th, 18th and 19th, you got three in a row with the re-scheduling and the Library ~ Board .... I talked to Susan and Susan said that this far ahead of time... she was going to tell them. Norton/'First time.. regular and informal meetings a week separated ....am I right? Karr/I think we have had it happen a couple of other times to get back on schedule. Atkins/...that is not an uncommon practice. 2. Nov/One more scheduling suggestion... School Board and City Council could get together and talk about various issues that may be of mutual concern if you are interested in doing that. Council/(Yes). Nov/I see enough heads nodding, okay. Kubby/At one point we had a committee... talk mostly about traffic control and access issue of kids... Nov/The school had traffic safety committee ....I don't think it exists any longer. Lehman/It use to. Nov/ ....Talking about was the School Board and council... do it sometime in April? Karr/Better to look at April .... encourage you to let me know .... May want to look at first week in April. Would you like me to contact the School Board to see what dates they have first? .... Nov/Let me call George ..... Karr/Okay .... 3. Kubby/Any word from the School District about $25,000 towards traffic light? page 52 This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011597 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 53 Thombe.rry/It would be a good thing to ask them at the meeting. Council/(All talking). Atkins/...quick update on that issue ....Do you want me to pursue money with them? Kubby/I thought that we had already directed that. Norton/And'I thought that they agreed. Nov/They agreed when there wasn't a warrant. So I don't know. Lehman/ Nov/We should also check on the current costs .... Atkins/We bid the project and got real good bids. I signed the contracts but it is about 16 weeks for delivery. I have also asked him to put together an alternative to see if we can get a temporary signal, that is about $8,000-9,000 .... I did tell him to go and do that. And I wanted to confirm you still expect school district contribution. Okay. Kubby/ .... West High sent out a letter .... that kind of indicated that the city wasn't being very cooperative .... I felt we have bent over backwards to do this the right way. Atkins/ Kubby/... I haven't seen the letter. Atkins/Just so you know, I have never received a phone call from Jerry. Kubby/When I talk to parents... they have a different attitude after our conversation. Atkins/ Kubby/I actually called the West Side Story and talked to their news editor to say I have a story idea .... clarify this issue. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 54 Nov/I wrote a letter to one of the students... sent a copy to Jerry... It said we will have a traffic signal .... could be June by the time the stuff came in. Kubby/Steve... City Manager time... give an update.of at least where we are at. Atkins/I will do that tomorrow. Norton/ Nov/We don't have our final numbers yet .... Kubby/...we said $25,000 would still be a good number. Nov/However, we still haven't received the bids .... Council/ Atkins/I will pursue the $25- Lehman/Do we have consensus that we will put in a temporary light? Atkins/I am assuming you wanted it done .... Nov/ Atkins/We are going to try. Nov/We' may be able to put up a stop sign if we can't put up the- Council/(All talking). 4. Karr/(Agenda #12) .... Was there any questions any of you had or any further information on the sidewalk cafe and/or fee issue or secondly, the pedicab/horse drawn vehicles? Vanderhoef/One question on the sidewalk cafe. Karr/...' go for it. Vanderhoef/Why does it have to be 10 feet high? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 55 Karr/Arbitrary figure on the 10 feet. The concern was at the staff meeting was that we .... from Chuck .... he did not want a piggy backing affedt, to have a patio and then a balcony. We arbitrarily picked 10 feet. He did not want- Council/ Vanderhoef/From the sidewalk to where they are going to set the tables. Karr/...Gringo's... create a balcony .... Vanderhoef/10 foot high impedes the visual line of looking down the street. Karr/..each one would have to go through Design Review... have to come to you. It is a maximum. Norton/I don't understand, 10 feet from what to what. Nov/You would not be building a structure 10 feet tall. Karr/No, you would not be building a structure 10 foot tall, no. Kubby/ Karr/It is to limit .... Nov/I am talking about a platform 10 feet offof the ground. Karr/ ....fencing and you have got some other things ....10 feet... is for everything ....that is part of the sidewalk cafe, the fence .... Vanderhoef/ Karr/ Nov/Let's make it five feet. Council/ Karr/I.would like to take a look at G.A. Malones .... Can we compromise at 8? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 56 Thomberry/ Nov/ Norton/10 feet is all right. Thornberry/ Karr/Do you wish us to work on the language before tomorrow night .... We are recommending it for pass and adopt .... Nov/ Norton/From the Sidewalk to the top of the fence, it shall not exceed X feet. Nov/Ten is a lot. How about 8? Thornberry/It is maximum .... Why 8? Norton/ Karr/We will work out some language and come tomorrow night .... Is that okay to collapse the readings and is there questions on the resolution on fees? Nov/One more question. On one place where there is a fence, it says the furniture shall be stored inside the fence and secured. May is a better word .... Karr/Context ....if left, it shall be inside. Nov/The if is missing. Karr/Okay. I will look at that. Vanderhoef/Yes, we would much rather they take it inside. Nov/I can understand if they can't take it inside, they must store it outside, then it has restrictions. But it doesn't say that. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 57 5. Vanderhoef/(Agenda #18) And we are looking at the completion date for the Melrose Avenue reconstruction and it says begin during March and completed by September and in the ordinance it says 106 days and I am thinking... count it out. I would like to see it completed before the University starts on August 25 and what I figured was if we did a five day week up to the 25th... 139 days .... gives you 22 weather days and still allows you another 72 Saturdays and Sundays if they choose .... Kubby/I would like to hear from Rick before I say okay to that ....He is very conscious of University Schedule .... Nov/I would like to say September 1 .... Vanderhoef/The first home football game is September 6, so having it completed before that..'.. Woito/It is a DOT contract ....I will see... if there is anything about that. Thornberry/ Woito/ ....you want is fewer days? Vanderhoef/I just want it completed ..... Woito/This contract is just with the consultant .... Nov/It does say construction .... Woito/Okay, we will check. Lehman/ Has this contract already been let? Woito/No. Nov/ Lehman/This has been let. This is just for services to oversee the construction. Norton/Supervising engineer. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 58 Woito/Yes, you are right. 6. Thomberry/That Melrose Avenue Bridge .... Are they going to have that big hump in there? Atkins/It should flatten out somewhat ....But you had to raise the bridge. Council/ 7. Norton/(Agenda #11) You asked about pedicabs in addition to d.t. cafes. And I just wanted to raise the question, the fact of a slow moving vehicle on the streets, does that necessarily open the city to liability? Karr/We talked a little bit about that when Kevin was here before and I thought it was Dennis... Kevin felt we were more susceptible, Dennis felt we were no more liable for any vehicle on a city street. · Woito/It is a policy argument, not a legal argument and Kevin made a good policy argument that it was your call ..... Norton/I am perfectly happy to try to go along without it. We don't require lights or anything like that then? Karr/Not under this Chapter but under another provision of the Code. Woito/There was a compromise but you all rejected it which was a lesser insurance which would be my preference if you were asking my recommendation .... Thornberry/ Nov/We are getting rid of the licensing. He will have insurance. Woito/No. - Council/ Karr/That is up to him. Norton/We didn't require it but he probably will you would think. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session Woito/He won't .... Norton/I am just re-thinking it. Are we okay? I guess. Woito/I think there are some compromise in there whether than throwing the whole baby out with the bath water, if you want to revisit it. Kerr/...March 1 is our licensing time for vehicles for hire and I know John Weber....just simply needs to know how to plan for his business .... If indeed you do wish to leave them under the provisions and reduce the insurance, you would defer indefinitely this and we would bring back to you a revised resolution. It would not be an ordinance .... done by resolution only next time. Lehman/How much insurance was required? Norton/$500,000. Lehman/What is the minimum requirement for an automobile in Iowa? Nov/There is no required- Karr/That is the problem in Iowa .... Woito/Most states don't require it. Thornberry/ Norton/ Karr/You are your own chauffeur .... We did this... called around when we changed insurance requirements overall a few years ago. Norton/We were trying to encourage this .... Karr/If it is a question of just the limitations changing, you would not have any action on the ordinance. It would just be a resolution only .... Norton/ page 59 CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 97-5 SIDE 2 This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 60 Karr/... Mr. Weber on how receptive he would be on the $500,000. If that is going to address his total issue. It will certainly make it better... Lehman/Even half of that. Karr/$25.0,000. Woito/Something would be preferable to nothing. Norton/Who are we protecting with that? Woito/You are protecting the public. Lehman/I think we are also protecting ourselves. Nov/ Thornberry/Just because we don't license him doesn't mean we don't have any liability. Woito/We are going to have some liability no matter what because it is our street. Kubby/ Council/ Nov/I don't think we are liable for his passengers .... Thomberry/We are allowing him to operate within the city limits. Woito/And use our streets. Karr/Anyone on our streets can sue us at anytime .... What we are proposing here is eliminating them from the licensing requirement as well as the insurance requirement. Norton/Could we eliminate the licensing and still retain the insurance? Karr/I wouldn't recommend that. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session Woito/No. Vanderhoef/ Woito/To protect public safety. Vanderhoef/If we have no licensing procedure, then we cannot say you can't be here as a business. If we have a licensing procedure in place... we have the option of not giving him a license. Karr/That is not to say that there aren't businesses that just because we don't license we can't protect our citizenry and still discontinue that. That is not to say you need to have it on the books to do that .... Norton/My worry .... concerned about the insurance .... Karr/ Kubby/Are there other people who want to change their mind from last time? .... Woito/If there was confusion- If some of you thought the person would be getting insurance regardless of whether you would license them, then maybe you had better re-discuss it because that is factually incorrect. Lehman/Can we require insurance if we do not require a license? Woito/No. Lehman/The two are hand in hand. Woito/You cannot assume that.he is going to go out and buy insurance. Norton/ Kubby/Maybe people could think about it overnight. Norton/If I am interested, I can bring it up. I will have to rethink it. Okay. 8. Norton/I have talked with... my interest... seeing if it would be possible for the city to establish some kind of loan fund for people who go into historic preservation for p~e61 This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 62 property owners .... What I want from you guys is a recommendation from Steve and ItP Commission to pursue this far enough to see what the possibilities and bring Us a recommendation about it .... Commission needs some direction from us... some kind of low interest loan that might be worked out .... Steve .... come up with the details ....give them a little incentive for people who join these programs .... Thomberry/ Norton/I was trying to find a way for the city to facilitate this. Nov/We have done something in the way of fadlitation... on income level .... I am not sure the city ought to... No. rton/ ....public benefit... Lehman/I think there are a lot of folks living in older homes who are financially quite capable of re-doing those properties and I guess I really don't see giving someone who has the financial capabilities of going out and borrowing the money at 8 or 9%, giving them a 6% loan .... If there are financially able, I don't really think that we should be subsidizing. Kubby/I don't.mind looking at an income based thing .... What kind of money are you talking about? Norton/I would like them to explore it far enough to see whether there is any sense here. That is all I am asking for ..... to take a look at what the possibilities would be. Kubby/ Norton/$1/4 million maybe. Kubby/ ....I wouldn't mind the research being done... want to talk about it in budget time. Norton/This is the time to do it. Kubby/Next FY .... give them a year to explore the details. Lehman/I have not problem looking into it. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 63 Norton/... see what it might be like. Vanderhoef/I would like input from banks. Norton/ Vanderhoef/ Norton/I know the Commission is interested in pursuing this possibility to develop some kind of incentives from the city .... Vanderhoef/Are there any grams available out there .... ongoing fund ....? Norton/Steve ..... Norton/If you are interested in some sort of a fund... revolving loan fund and we can calculate what we need with respect to our investment income .... I am assuming you would want something that has some sort of a match .... The income based thing, that is a different kindof wrinkle .... go into these HP neighborhoods that we have designated and press the fact... get them to put money into those homes... I could rough out something fairly quickly .... give you a memo on it. Kubby/... I would rather do it for business development than HP. Arkins/ Nov/ Atkins/Do you want a memo on it or don't you? Norton/That is what I am asking. Kubby/ Atkins/It is really a matter of what qualifications you put on it .... Nov/I am not sure it is going to go anything beyond a memo .... to own an old house... to rehab an old house .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 64 Atkins/You all were suppose to give me questions on the budget for the 21st anyway. I assume somebody will. Norton/I will put a question in like that and I will talk more with Doug. 9. Norton/... we got a note from'the Magistrate regarding this question of community service .... history of this matter .... supervision .... difficult problem... I certainly think it would be something to try to figure out. Kubby/We directed Steve to figure it out. Atkins/It is being worked on .... 10. Kubby/ .... Following up ..... memo we got from him on Oakland Cemetery expansion .... Let me just read part of this. "A majority of council members seem to favor a plan that will accommodate lot sales for a minimum of 30 years .... support to utilize up to ten acres .... I interpret these to mean that the majority of council members would prefer not to expand the cemetery by more than ten acres." So, I don't know that I really got that from the meeting or not and we need to clarify that with him .... Karr/Can I also refer you to the work session minutes of that meeting that are in your packet... Terry and I worked together on that one, that issue ....as far as staff input... needs to be changed or if that addresses your concern. Kubby/I am not sure what actually happened that night. That is not what I remember and I just want to bring it up again... Norton/I thought it was something close to that. Lehman/ .... I am not saying we said we are going to use 39 acres .... KubbY/There is two things in his memo. One is council members want lot sales .... minimum of 30 years and the other figure was ten acres which would be more than 30 years .... Which one of these our direction? .... Norton/I thought it was clear we talked about 30 years .... Woito/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 65 Vanderhoef/What was in the minutes .... (read P/R Commission minutes). Nov/I think what we are talking about is the council minutes... says "option possibilities include a 30 year plan of land sale and a utilization of up to ten acres of Hickory Park." And those are options, we don't have to do both of them. Norton/30 years is first .....I was just trying to set an upward boundl... Nov/Family members .... We, as a council, said either of those plans could be an option. Norton/ ....It depends on how efficiently they could use the present cemetery space. Vanderhoef/That 30 year figure was put out as an approximation .... Kubby/So what he said in here, people are in agreement with. Norton/I think so. That was my understanding. Nov/He also said he will schedule a walking tour for the week of January 13. I think he may change that. 11. Kubby/... This letter from Nila Haug... can we get a written response... our perspective on what happened .... Atkins/Some young man evidently came into the department and said these things happened. He couldn't locate the streets, they went back out with him and evidently he told Nila ....Nila writes the letter. We are going to have to try to track it down some more ..... There is a lot of confusion ....I will get you a memo on it. 12. Nov/(Agenda #4) I have a couple of somethings. Someone called me about the local control on tobacco. I was thinking that we would have local control on sales... think about a higher fine for illegal sales .... This woman was wondering if we were going to consider a No Smoking here or there kind of thing and I told her I don't know yet. Her concern was very valid .... make it very severe and nobody can smoke except in their own home .... lung cancer... based on second hand smoke where she was working .... Kubby/I had a person call me not sure that the resolution is clear ....communities could not have lesser restrictions than the state .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 66 Nov/The intent is the redemption, yes? Give us Home Rule ..... It is possible for Iowa City to be stricter than the state .... Kubby/This person was saying what you should be lobbying for is that the state is the floor of regulation and to have Home Rule to have more restrictions. Lehman/ Kubby/This person... have current state regulations be the floor .... Woito/Home Rule is that the state law is the floor. Council/ Nov/Okay. Vanderh0ef/... we can be more restrictive .... Woito/ Nov/ 13. Nov/New Year's Resolution which is to enforce the five minute rule on public discussion .... I am asking for council cooperation .... Kubby/I don't know that I could commit to that .... other exceptions ....I might ask council to overrule your resolution .... Nov/I would like to do that only if they come ... with a spokesperson for the entire group .... Norton/ Lehman/Few issues that you can't condense your thoughts to five minutes .... Norton/ Lehman/... You can't talk for more than five minutes at a time. Vanderhoef/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council Work Session page 67 Norton/... maybe there would be times that they can consolidate. Vanderhoef/'....organizational meeting. Lehman/We agreed not to limit ourselves to five minutes. Nov/We need to do something about these very late meetings ....I am going to try. Woito/... this may not be a very good time ....to try to put down restrictions on people who are angry .... Thornberry/I wouldlike to see either a dock or a light system right down here ....Have a light system .... Norton/Tomorrow is not the time to do it. Thomberry/ Lehman/Encourage people to try to limit their thing to five minutes ....remind them .... Nov/... It would be a help if we don't carry on a dialogue .... Thomberry/Whenyou are given a direct question ....do you not answer .... Nov/You have to take that under consideration .... Norton/If you want to take this up, take it up another time. Nov/We are going to say the same thing every time .... Woito/I want to make clear that I have never ever told council members or anybody else not to talk to the press. I have never said that. I keep seeing it in the newspaper and I haven't said it. The only time I ever told anybody not to talk to the press was the three officers the first three weeks at~er the incident and so I don't want to hear anymore from anyone that I told you guys not to talk ....I have always said follow your Own good conscience. Thornberry/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397 January 13, 1997 Council.Work Session page 68 14. Nov. There are a couple of invitations here .... if anybody wants to go to them. The Chamber of Commerce Annual Banquet is January 30 .... Atkins/If you want to go, we pay for yours, you got to pay for your spouse. 15. Norton/Walk of the Stars... can only be there 10:00 to 12:00 on Saturday. That will leave 12:00 to 1:00 gap .... Nov/Do you want to come in at 9:00 and stay to 11:00 and maybe someone can do 11:00 to 1:00. Norton/I can come in 9:00 to 12:00 .... Kubby/I could do noon to 2:00 PM. Norton/That would be very nice. Kubby/ Norton/ Council/ Adjourned: 11:00 PM This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 13, 1997. WS011397