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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1997-01-27 TranscriptionJanuary 27, 1997 Council Work Session 8:40 PM Council: Nov, Baker, Kubby, Lehman, Norton, Thornberry, Vanderhoef. Staff: Atkins, Helling, Karr, Mitchell, Franklin, Davidson, Schoon, Fosse, Scott, Neumann, Fowler, Dollman. Tapes: 97-13, all; 97-14, all. Review Zoniw, Matters 97-13 S1 a. Consider a motion setting a public hearing for February 11, 1997, on an ordinance amending the Zoning Chapter by designating the East College Street Historic District, as a Historic Preservation Overlay Zone, for property located along College Street between Summit Street and Muscatine Avenue. Franklin/Consider a motion setting a p.h ....East College Street Historic District. b. Consider a motion setting a public hearing for February 11, 1997, on an ordinance amending the Zoning Chapter by designating the College Green Historic District, as a Historic Preservation Overlay Zone, for property located generally around College Green Park, along E. College Street from Dodge Street to Governor Street, and along S. Dodge and S. Johnson Streets between E. College and Burlington streets. Franklin/Also setting a p.h. for February 11 on the College Green Historic District. c. Consider a motion setting a public hearing for February 11, 1997, on an ordinance to vacate Gable Street, located south of Lakeside Drive. Franklin/Consider setting a p.h. on February 11 on vacation of Gable Street ..... Vanderhoef/Do we have a picture of that? Franklin/Yes, we do. Vanderhoef/ .... Grant Wood folks had requested that maybe this not be vacated until we were clear about a trail. Franklin/This property owner right here is the property owner that would be involved in giving some extra land to the owners of the church property. (Refers to map) .... this person would prefer to have the trail to come back here ....more attractive alignment ..... Vanderhoef/So we can vacate and still know that we have an easement for our trail. January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 2 Norton/ Franklin/Yes, this is just setting the p.h ..... Vanderhoef/ Norton/Where is the memo dated January 19? Nov/It will be in the next packet. Norton/ d. Public hearing on an ordinance amending the Zoning Chapter by changing the use regulations on a 40.7 acre parcel located on the north side of Rohret Road, east of 1tighway 218, from RS-S, Low Density Single-Family Residential, to OSA-8, Sensitive Areas Overlay/Medium Density Single-Family Residential. (REZ96-0020) Franklin/Your continued p.h. on Walden Hills. The Sensitive Areas Overlay zoning. This is a CZA .... signatures are not all complete on that but are expected to be complete by tomorrow night. The Grading Plan is still being reviewed .... Tomorrow night if the CZA is signed, you may close the p.h. if you choose. We do not have first consideration on the agenda .....until that Grading Plan has been approved by the Public Works Department .... Norton/ Kubby/At one point Dee Norton had suggested reducing the density. If there were four people who were interested in that route, that may be another reason to continue the p.h ..... Are you still interested in that? Norton/Yes. Kubby/I am as well. Are there other people who are interested in exploring that issue? Vanderhoef/... I have another issue with this whole- Franklin/Can we talk about the streets for a minute? .... If there is going to be some negotiation on the density, yeah, we will have to at least continue the p.h. if not This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 3 start over .... One of the issues that came up the last time had to do with the alignment of Shannon .... (refers to map) .... This is a conceptual configuration. The idea here is that Shannon will continue but it will be d_iscontinued before it hits Melrose .... At some point in its alignment, one will need to stop and make a deliberate turn to go to Melrose Avenue .... to slow down traffic... functions as a collector and not as an arterial ....It should not serve .an easy function of traversing this area. Kubby/We want to make that difficult so people will choose to go Melrose to Mormon Trek. Franklin/That is correct ..... That is not to say that no one will make this meandering journey through here. But we are designing it such that it is less desirable ....I want to show you a couple of other circumstances in which we have similar configurations in existing parts of town. (Refers to maps). This is Post Road .... density here is RS-5, RM-20 up in here .... You have got Amherst over here coming down to Court Street .... Here you have a mix of densities with RM-20 here... s.f. here .... This whole neighborhood is defined by these arterial streets, Scoot, Rochester, First and Court ..... retain the capacity on those streets .... On the west side those arterials are functioning well because we have restricted the driveway accesses and the road accesses to those arterial streets .... Vanderhoef/I have a couple of things .... If you will put the west side map up. I am seeing that the proposal before us right now, that portion of Shannon Drive is being developed pretty much like an arterial anyway with very limited access onto that street .... concern... brought forward time frame for development to the west and with Rohret Road being the midway point between two entrances to 218, that we have two destination points that are going to happen when we come off of Rohret Road... I see happening... high school... we will continue on east through a traffic light, make a left, go down Melrose .... go back west again to the high school... then a left... I see those people will go through there_no matter what. The other people that I see that to cut through are people who are going to go north on 218 north. They are going to look for closest and most direct route. Franklin/In the short term. Now we still have some other a~erial streets construction over here (refers to map). This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 4 Vanderhoef/ .... first arterial that they are going to hit is Rohret Road and if they can cut through, they will cut through. I am concerned about safety and an arterial well designed could be safer than what you are designing right not with the twists and turns .... another concern that I have is whether the high school will ever consider having a driveway from the south end of their property .... I wouldn't feel comfortable dumping that kind of traffic onto a collector. I would rather have a designed arterial that will remove the people safely and keep them out of the neighborhood .... follow the Wets High Galway Hill line up to Melrose .... Franklin/I would like to address the school issue. When we discussed having a drive here (refers to map)... school board was very emphatic in keeping the West High property isolated from other traffic .... (Refers to map)... that traffic is contained within West High and is forced to use... the arterial system for access as opposed to having them come out into the neighborhoods. Nov/ Franklin/ (Refers to map). Kubby/Is it possible to have the arterial that Dee Vanderhoef suggested without any direct access except from the south to West High? .... Franklin/ Kubby/... that there be no direct access off of Shannon to the school property .... Norton/The question is are you going to have another access to West High? Franklin/That is part of what is being suggested here now. Vanderhoef/ .... When I called and spoke with them today, they would be real willing to talk with us about that .... Franklin/I think it is a decision that you all have to make. Thornberry/Kind of like City High ....limited access from First Avenue... to that football field .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 5 Franklin/ Thomberry/(Refers to map) .... Norton/ Thomberry/If West High wanted to put an exit right here (refers to map). Franklin/Assuming that your desire to have an arterial street go through these two neighborhoods is something that you want to do. We are not going to recommend it. Vanderhoef/ Norton/... Any chance we can get arterial further out? Franklin/If you were going to designate that as an arterial and you are going to have it hug the West High property line, then you are going to have to pay for it as a public project, at least in part .... Lehman/ Franklin/ .... In terms of our standards for an arterial street, it is very close to another one. It is over building. If you wish to do it, you can do it, but we would not recommend it. Kubby/What is one mile to the west of Mormon Trek? Franklin/(Refers to map). Kubby/Putting Shannon as an arterial next to West High is not even halfway .... Franklin/ Norton/I am not interested .... strikes me... possibility of dead ending both of them .... not connect that road all the way through .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 6 Vanderhoef/ .... already recognizing that this could potentially be a hazardous situation because it- Franklin/Not hazardous. We would not recognize it is going to be hazardous. We wouldn't recommend something to you that we thought was going to be a safety problem. Vanderhoef/ Norton/ Kubby/I understand your argument for the Galway Hills property. I don't understand it for the Walden Woods II development .... Shannon is like in the middle of that .... Norton/I am trying to think how many arterials you are going to have, Dee. You are going to have arterials all over the place. Lehman/ Franklin/You are making circulation difficult within neighborhoods and again, we would not recommend that you do that. If you choose to do that you may. But then what you are doing is you are making hard to get around in this area (refers to map) .... It also means that you don't have connections between these neighborhoods .... It affects how we provide services and the efficiency of it .... Lehman/I think Dee's concern, the area west of 218 .... Franklin/ ....you want to design it for the future as well as for today. Thornberry/West High is going to be there for a long time. Franklin/...the way it is designed in coming right out onto Melrose takes care of many of those issues with West High .... Nov/I think this is somewhat parallel to Kirkwood Avenue and Highway 6 .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 7 Franklin/Highway 6 is difficult to use because we put all those lights on there for commercial development along Highway 6... got to keep your arterials open and free... Norton/What is our plan further west? .... connecting Rohret with Melrose? .... Franklin/There is someone who has purchased this property in here recently and is anticipating doing more development in this area .... require another means of access .... discussions about how this is done. Phoenix Drive is designed as a collector... (refers to map)... and Slothhower being the next arterial .... The other weird thing is the County property .... Deer Creek has been designed such that that is a collector and could... continue on up .... Kubby/ Franklin/(Refers to map). Duck Creek is this one ....The main arterial plan is Slothhower Road which will occur 965 regardless. Norton/ Kubby/I want to go back to the density question. Are there other people interested in talking about density issues? Norton/I was talking 300... less than 250... I still think we are crowding it a bit .... Franklin/Density of Walden Hills is the same as the density for Walden Woods. Norton/RS-8. Some of that is senior, isn't it? Franklin/Yeah, Walden Place .... may be an RM-12. Norton/No way we can kind of guarantee that Lot 53 be reserved for senior housing, is there? Franklin/No. Norton/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 8 Nov/ Norton/With senior piece in there, then you have got your density at least a little bit, in principle, reduced .... Thomberry/ Larry Schnittjer/ .... this 120 units on Lot 53 is subject to approval by council, P/Z Commission and if you don't like what is put in there, we have to got back to the drawing board. Kubby/In the P/Z minutes, people saying the zoning changes are acceptable because our Comp Plan says that this area should be 2-8 dwelling units per acre. One of the problems is that is the smallest statement made in the Comp Plan. There is no distinction between 5 & 8 in the Plan .... We wouldn't agree that anyplace in town that is currently RS-5 would be acceptable to be RS-8 ....Well, Dee, I don't hear any other voice for density issues. Nov/No. I think we will have to discuss that issue again when the plat comes in. Norton/We will listen to the p.h. tomorrow .... e. Consider an ordinance amending Title 14, Chapter 6, entitled "Zoning," by changing the regulations pertaining to childcare facilities. (Second consideration) Franklin/Second consideration on the amendments pertaining to childcare facilities. Thomberry/What is the difference between the Historic Preservation Overlay and a Historic District? Franklin/Nothing. It is the same thing. When we designate a historic district it is done so through a zoning mechanism where we impose an overlay district on that area. And so that is how the review by HP Commission is initiated because it is within that overlay zone. But it keeps the underlying density in place. Norton/I want to ask one question about the childcare .... This ordinance and special exceptions that allow these centers in the various zones... that does not change anything about the licensing and inspection of the centers, does it? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 9 Franklin/No. Norton/With respect to... childcare homes, we were not literally inspecting those before nor was anybody else. Vanderhoef/Correct. Norton/ Kubby/ Norton/ Nov/I got a phone call... by allowing a childcare facility in a home by right... was going to create more than enough places for childcare and unsupervised, unlicensed childcare facilities and this was a concern .... plenty of openings now in existing facilities... She is saying we should be careful about having them in homes and unlicensed. Kubby/That is the market's decisions .... Norton/They were unsupervised before ..... home care .... Nov/I think they were not allowed in every residential zone .... Norton/But it doesn't change the quality of inspection .... Kubby/I had brought up... in s.f. zones .... childcare center of 12 kids or more, that they probably need to have another adult there .... alter thinking about it... may be a good way that making sure that in RS-5 and RS-8 zones, that smaller childcare centers that don't create as much traffic as a larger one, that by leaving that law about all employees have to be family members. Franklin/That goes to our restrictions in the home occupation section of the code .... possibility of having two employees in a home... for home occupation... We are going to put that on our work program. That is another aspect of the changing nature of work life... more people are working out of their homes .... Do we need This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 10 to then look at that and adjust accordingly to allow maybe one of two employees when it is a very low traffic kind of situation .... Right now, it you have a home occupation, it has to be people who reside on the premises and we need to look at whether we should make that more flexible .... Nov/ Norton/I want to make sure, that we figure out where can we bring up the issue of what kind of inspection might we ought to do with respect to home care childcare facility. Franklin/That may be something for your Legislative Committee. Nov/That is something you should pursue with the state .... Kubby/But cities aren't preempted from doing more .... Norton/There is a concern out there that there are people in this business for other than the best of reasons. Franklin/And there is concern... about the level of enforcement that the state is able to do .... Also a move within the legislatures to change those inspection requirements... Yes you could do it at the local level... another arm of city government... Norton/Suppose some incident were to occur in one of these childcare homes and the city has paid no attention to this matter. Are we then in trouble? Thornberry/If we allow all of these childcare businesses... with no city inspection ....Is the city culpable in any way if something should happen .... Mitchell/No, I don't think any more so than before. Franklin/Analogous to a restaurant .... Baker/Are we still going to collapse readings tomorrow night? Nov/Yes .... I would like to think longer on that .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 11 Baker/I will not be here for about the first hour of tomorrow night's meeting .... Nov/ ....I want a little more time to think before I know whether or not I want to collapse. Baker/I would vote to collapse. f. Consider an ordinance vacating the north 12.5 feet of the F Street right-of-way for a distance of 75 feet immediately west of First Avenue. (VAC96- 0002) (Second consideration) Franklin/Second consideration of vacation of a portion off Street. g. Consider a motion to authorize the Mayor to forward a letter to the Johnson County Board of Supervisors recommending approval of a request to rezone approximately three acres located within Fringe Area A at 4819 Rapid Creek Road NE from County AI, Rural, to County RS-3, Suburban Residential. Franklin/Forwarding a letter to the Board of Supervisors recommending approval of a request to fezone 3 acres in Fringe Area A and I apologize for that material not being in the packet. ! don't know what happened to it. It is a fairly simple rezoning in the county off of Rapid Creek Road ..... The person who owns this property (refers to map) owns actually 8 acres of land .... zoning category is RS-3 .... Our recommendation to them is that the zoning be approved by only if it for 3 acres since that is the minimum lot size. Kubby/What was the application actually made for? Franklin/1.99 .... It has to do with their feeling that if you rezoned it for the 3 acres then someone could request a building permit because you have enough land for three septic systems or something like that .... We went through that with them .... unless it was 3 acres for one dwelling as the Zoning Ordinance in the county says. Kubby/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 12 Franklin/As far as I am aware, the applicant doesn't have a problem with that at all because they own enough land .... peculiar .... So the letter to the Board suggests that it not be done unless there are three acres .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 13 Downtown Parkira, Study 97-13 S1 Davidson/Joe and I met with you in September... prelude the study that you received... every five years or so we go through this... with the council ...... CB-10 zone .... CB- 5 .... We expanded it then to include the area around the CB-10 and CB-5 zones... and the University .... Overall assessment of the parking situation and then get to some very specific questions on what you want to see happen for the next five years .... there is a lot happening in d.t. Iowa City... All of these issues... can be seen as evident of a very successful d.t. We have attempted to provide all of the information that you asked for in September .... We have decided... probably going to need more than one meeting .... You can see the way the report is arranged .... last section, eight points .... If you can come to some closure on those eight points .... We have some very specific questions and very important, significant and expensive questions to be answered .... I have overheads of all the figures... start with that .... Page 48 Kubby/I have one question on page 28 about the meter feeding and it says that there are violation of the 30 minute term... Davidson/It indicates... same car was still parked there .... Kubby/Is there anyway to really determine...? Davidson/That is a generalization just by observation ....students ....d.t. employees .... feeding the on street meters ..... Vanderhoef/This increase in the violations of the two hour meters, do you have a feel... same car for the entire day? .... Davidson/Someone who needs to be d.t. for longer than two hours .... employment .....It is a generalization .... Kubby/I want to make this observation... total number of spaces... University who has had the biggest decrease change ..... good projects... pedestrian oriented projects for the University... A lot of parking has been reduced by the University .....Not any concrete plans to increase parking... I want to talk about that kind of partnership .... how parking issues... burden .... complicated .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 14 Vanderhoef/...265 less parking places due to University projects and the City of Iowa City provided 273 new spaces in ramps situations .... CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 97-13 SIDE 2 Norton/We have no indication that things are going to happen soon? Davidson/Next five years the University has no plans for east campus facilities .... Newton Road area .... They don't have anything on east campus planned within the next five years... They do have sites that they have identified in their Campus Plan for future facilities .... may consider working with them for a city facility .... Nov/Why do they assume that the west side will need more parking?. Davidson/They have prioritized that .... Vanderhoef/Indication I got... Iowa Avenue and Gilbert Street .... maybe ten years. Norton/This really is an excellent report .....three ramps... 400 available spaces in the morning and afternoon ....amazing ....150 in Dubuque, 150 in Capital and 100 in Chauncey Swan .... I understand the street thing is jammed .... Davidson/... In the town the size of Iowa City .... legacy with parking ramps .... with the negative feeling people have about upper floors of parking ramp... unused capacity up there .... very expensive .... Norton/Are there capability for permit holders up there, for example? Davidson/When we get to that part of the summary... #2 on the discussion list. Nov/ Baker/(Can't hear). Davidson/When you have got the density of development that you want to see happen, even in Iowa City, you have to go to structured parking. Baker/(Can't hear). This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 15 Davidson/... next one we are looking at in Near Southside is shown between 350 and 450 .... scale economy .... Norton/ Davidson/350 and 450... reasonable size .... Kubby/Could we have a price differential for the upper levels? .... Fowler/Those things are all possible .... biggest problem we have had so far is our parking is relatively inexpensive and there is not enough price incentive to get people to go all the way up to the top. Nov/Offer them a cheaper permit. Fowler/Problem .... being able to identify people as to who actually has a permit ..... Davidson/#1, page 48, Planning for major facilities .... The facility that staff is pursuing right now is the Near Southside facility .... St. Patrick's former school lot and those negotiations are progressing .... We have some other sites that we don't feel are favorable .... We may come back to you in a couple of months .... Still the #1 priority... We do have between $200- and $250,000 in parking impact fees that need to be used in the Near Southside... $160,000 need to be used by next year .... Look at page... 25 Near Southside is an area that has really jumped out since 1988... much high utilization of the parking in that area... day... and especially at night .... 83% .... There is some demand for parking being created... Is appropriate to continue to have that as your #1 priority. Second part of the issue... five years from now... financial status of the system will be enough to finance the next major parking facility in d.t. Iowa City ..... locations .... We would like some direction from you as to what you would like us to pursue... northside locations... University property .... Mr. Cribson is willing to enter in some discussions with the city ..... They are not immediate priorities for the University .... Kubby/ Norton/Pressure on that side .... immediate blocks off Iowa Avenue. I think something in that area, behind the Senior Center there .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 16 Nov/I would rather dump the old Music Building .... Norton/If you cross Iowa Avenue .... my preference. Vanderhoef/That is my preference, too .... Davidson/Three people for the south side of Iowa Avenue. Baker/(Can't hear). I prefer #1. Nov/I also preferred #1... vacant lot... old building... Davidson/The Old Music Building is shown on the University Campus Planning as not being there. Vanderhoef/... art studios right now .... Norton/I just think... Senior Center parking has been an issue ....Got to do something on Iowa Avenue. Kubby/ Vanderhoef/The senior center have requested more parking up the hill from Chauncey Swan .... Perception of Iowa Avenue...not close to d.t ..... Norton/Might help Near Northside. Nov/ Vanderhoef/ Davidson/Is there anyone in favor ....of the other locations, not one of these two University property locations? Vanderhoef/On Southside parking... urgency .... federal lot ....request would be to start that investigation as soon as possible .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 17 Davidson/If we go ahead with Phase I on St. Pat's... see what happens down there. Let additional development in that area drive the need for that second facility .... Vanderhoef/ .... I have never been that positive that St. Pat's is the best location .... We have never had correspondence... with the federal lot. Davidson/ .... they are willing to work with us .... learn a lot from City of Des Moines .... more time with acquisition of properties along Capitol Street ....Property acquisition ... take longer .... Kubby/Potentially we have two new structures south of Burlington and at least one new one north of Burlington in the foreseeable future... worry... common features in d.t. is the parking structure... Not sure that is my vision of d.t ..... talked about multiple use .... I don't want to be a land of 10,000 parking ramps .... Norton/What are the options? Kubby/You promote other modes of transportation. Norton/ ....not going to get there. Kubby/If you keep facilitating the use of private vehicle, you will never ever- Lehman/Karen, if you don't build them, folks will go the Cedar Rapids, Westdale... Coralville... They just won't come d.t. Kubby/Not everybody is going to come d.t. Lehman/ .... I don't think the St. Pat's lot is the right place to put a ramp... to me that is not the right location to put a ramp d.t. Davidson/Maybe let's address that head on. Vanderhoef/ Davidson/Are there four votes for us to continue pursuing negotiations with St. Pat's? Norton/...it is getting kind of slow .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 18 Lehman/I look at Mod Pod/Electronic Caves area .... built commercial on first level .... With parking on the upper levels .... attractive walkway... put your business to where you have your customers and that is where you have the cars .... Nov/Are we creating this parking facility for residents or for shoppers? Lehman/For both. Davidson/Over time it may even change ..... Vanderhoeff .... further west.. possibility of having a ramp in that Iowa Avenue Gilbert Street complex which is to the east .... would service that end of the town .... ramp on the southside were moved to the west... Davidson/Impact fees... negotiation with University time consuming .... Vanderhoef/... relative positioning up and around town... St. Pat's on east end .... then ..... at end of Iowa Avenue and Gilbert... not... closer to d.t. business district .... Kubby/ ....federal lot ramp, St. Pat's Ramp, Chauncey Swan Ramp and one of these locations ..... Vanderhoef/ Baker/...long terms plans... second ramp further south .....St. Pat's lot and another south of Burlington don't make sense to me .... Vanderhoef/Next question... whether we should really be looking at making the block south of Burlington down to Court part of CB-10. I see that as a possibility. Davidson/Points... we did take a look at the site, Phase II of Hieronymous Square Project ..... talking about at least one condemnation .... St. Pat's site .... It is a smaller site .... 263 spaces as opposed to 350 and 450 on the St. Pat's site... topography is not as conducive .... Kubby/Doesn't make sense to have these corridor that has two parking ramps on one side the street and one on the other. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 19 Thomberry/Is there any office space in the Lind Meyer Building available? Vanderhoef/Yes. Thomberry/ .... I agree that we should perhaps abandon the idea of St. Pat's. Council/(All talking). Kubby/I really cannot believe this. Thomberry/I think there has been too much- I don't think we are even close. Nov/...still a good location for residential folks. Norton/...trying to encourage even additional residential development in the Near Southside and we now see that streets are getting pretty well filled up at a variety of times .... I find St. Pat's location.. somewhat superior... Nov/...talking about where is a good location for these purposes. Norton/That would be still appropriate. Nov/Federal negotiations can happen as well. Nov/We have some moneys .... we should start to spend... appears to be a good location... for those particular people who have put the money into. Davidson/...should we start calling somebody else? Baker/ Davidson/ ....remember that was with first floor... non parking use on first floor. Vanderhoef/Would it be possible to use those impact fees in purchasing the property that we need along the federal building? Davidson/Yes. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 20 Vanderhoef/What kind of time line? .... Davidson/Purchasing the property for the eventual use to provide parking I believe is enough to encumber the funds under the ordinance that we have set up .... We could buy some houses down on Capitol Street and encumber the money. Nov/I somehow don't imagine that is what they pictured .... Vanderhoef/My concern is the timing of trying to get that done. Lehman/ Davidson/350 to 450 depending on how big you made it. Lehman/As much as I think that Mod Pod is a much much better location .... incredible seed to commercial development on that lot .... cost of building there would be incredible compared with St. Pat's. Bakeff Davidson/You are dealing with a half block on St. Pat's that has a very good topography for a parking ramp. You are dealing with a 2/3rds of a block .... 2/3rds of a half, that is what I meant to say. That is why the difference in the number of spaces. Council/(All talking). Davidson/The federal lot is even bigger. We still have range of 400-500 spaces .... Thomberry/How many cars can they get in that ramp across from the Union? Davidson/ ....270 .... Nov/ Davidson/Near Southside. Different site? Same site? Nov/Continue with the same site? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 21 Norton/Same sites. Baker/(Can't hear). Lehman/...difference in cost per space. Davidson/I only have two for St. Pat's right now. Norton/St. Pat's. Davidson/Three. Do we have a fourth for St. Pat's? Lehman/Begrudgingly I am going to have to do it .... Davidson/ Council/(All talking). Vanderhoef/What would the cost per space be on the federal building? Davidson/We would have to go a lot further with the design of that in order to come up with that .... Lehman/ Atkins/... I don't remember ....I got it from Joe. Fowler/(Can't hear). Baker/(Can't hear). Norton/Let's move on. I saw four votes for St. Pat's. Davidson/I heard four votes for St. Pat's .... Nov/Keep pursuing the federal air rights. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 22 Davidson/Okay .... we will come back to the next work session .... come up with cost per space numberl Baker/ Atkins/...they may want to even squeeze a little harder. If you are 4-3 in deciding to do it .... Nov/We are all saying continue this but come back with more information about the federal air fights. Davidson/How about the project five years from now? Do you have a location that you want us to start to pursue? .... Baker/#1. Davidson/ Norton/ Vanderhoef/I want the Senior Center. Davidson/#1 is on the north side of Iowa Avenue and #2 is on the south side of Iowa Avenue. Vanderhoeff I said #2. Davidson/Eastlawn site? Three ..... Music... two. Nov/ Davidson/ Kubby/No to both. Thomberry/Do we have to look at these fight now for five years? Council/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 23 Davidson/ .... even that 01d Music Building have people using it... If we are talking about doing something jointly with the University that is going to have other than parking uses in it, that is going to take us a while to get all that hammered out. The Eastlawn site, shall we call it that? Okay, we will begin talking with the University .... Continue... bring it back. Nov/I would like you to change the tense on your description of Hieronymous Square and put it in the future tense .... this one is written as if it exists .... put a couple of sentences in the future tense there. Kubby/Let's keep moving .... Nov/ Norton/My God, you left the whole thing, all right ..... Nov/We lef~ because we had a very long session. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 24 Residential Parkinp Facilitv Imuact Fee 9%13 S2 Franklin/You have a memo that gives you some scenarios for dealing with the Residential Parking Facility Impact Fee .... I went through a number of ways that you could frame this .... If your goal is to generate revenue, Option E is the way to proceed .... Larry .... has suggested another way to approach this which will generate even more revenue and not require that any space on the site be dedicated to parking. Thus it would not preclude development of the site. It would also result in a disincentive for five bedroom apartments. So let me throw that one out to you .... Nov/ Baked... hybrid of E .... that we charge the impact fee based on spaces required under the current regulations. Franklin/No. Baked Franklin/Let me show you what the differences are in the requirements for parking in CB- 5 versus other multi-family... in other zones. Basically there is a break in CB-5 because of its proximity to the d.t ..... fewer people bring cars, you can walk....If you change the parking requirements in CB-5 to be consistent with the other requirements in the other zones, you get .... hypothetical .... this 155 parking spaces being required .... 4 parking spaces per five bedroom unit that would be required .... 155 spaces that are in scenario E. Larry suggestion is instead of requiring payment for only 75% of the spaces, that you require payment for 100%. People can choose to buy out of that parking requirement entirely. They do not have to provide any spaces onsite for residential development. They may up to 25% but they are still paying for 100% .... then 155 spaces... He is suggesting $5,000 a space instead of $6,000. Overhead Projection: Efficiency 1 2 3 Parking Requirements CB-5 All Others Except CB-10 & PRM 1/unit 1/unit 1 1 1.5 2 1.5 2 This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 25 4 1.5 3 5 1.5 4 Nov/I don't understand that cost ..... Franklin/The $4,423.56 per space is the current parking impact fee .... The $6,000 per space is a proposal and that assumes that about half of the demand for those spaces will come from residential development .... You may be able to justifiably make that argument that half of the demand in any facility that you build in the Near Southside is going to be from the residential development .... If you have a parking impact fee and people can buy out of their entire obligation .... further justifies a higher fee and a higher demand from the residential .... residential developments will buy out more so .... residential apartments in this area .... this is such a high demand area for residential development... those apartments will lease without having parking spaces available onsite ....hypothesis .....buy out of their entire obligation. Norton/Are we talking about all? .... Burlington to Court... trying to... encourage commercial... discourage residential? Franklin/Collectively you have two goals... encourage commercial and discourage residential in that block from Burlington to Court. Another goal is to discourage the five bedroom apartments. Norton/If you go with Larry's thing .... go to a fee of $5,000 on 100% .... wouldn't to provide any onsite... Is that more discouraging than $6,000 on 75% and 25% ohsitc? .... Baker/ .... make it pay for the impact it creates .... Five bedroom apartment down there is not.a bad thing ....but they do create an impact on city services ....not paying an equitable share .... Norton/Why not keep.. slightly high fee... allow them to keep some onsite ....? Franklin/I think this proposal would allow some to be onsite .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 26 Nov/... Those places that have parking onsite charge extra ....occupants of the buildings are parking on the street. Franklin/If their tenants don't lease it, they lease it to other people. Nov/ ....The nighttime use of that space is not being used by the tenants .....We are charging an impact fee ....is added to the cost of the building... rent .....and people who are renting are parking on the street. Franklin/ Kubby/Unless we require 100% of parking onsite, that is going to happen .... Franklin/And it is going to cost more .... Nov/Only way around this .... lease... includes parking space in the ramp ....number them and reserve them... Franklin/That would be extremely hard to administer. Kubby/ ....charge $12,000 for a space if they are guaranteed ....plus operation .... Thomberry/Appleton, Wisconsin .... my son went to college... requires that there be no on street parking overnight .... Nov/ Thornberry/Residential and commercial. Franklin/...it squeezes it so that people won't bring cars... because it is too hard to find a place to park .... student population .... Baker/If you want to discourage people from bringing cars to town- Thornberry/They have that ordinance .... storage thing. Baker/Right now we are just talking about residential .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 27 Norton/I feel there would be different requirement south of Court Street ....slightly different purposes. Baker/ Franklin/We can do that... have to have two separate districts and articulate why there is a distinction .... makes that difficult is because when you have an impact fee within a district, you then have to have your facility within or very accessible to that district .... confining where you can put a facility .... Norton/ Franklin/ Kubby/ ....St. Pat's... new building gets built between Buffington and Court, can the impact fee be used for maintenance of that ramp that will serve that area? Franklin/You still have your monthly permits and you still have your hourly fee .... those revenues go towards operations as well as debt requirements. I think to use the impact fee for operations is very shaky. Kubby/ Franklin/Use it for debt retirement, absolutely .... Baker/ Lehman/ Franklin/ CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 97-14 SIDE 1 Norton/Do private developers figure $12,000 a space, too? Franklin/If it is inside. Norton/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 28 Franklin/Approximately.. depends on how deep you are going .... Norton/ Franklin/Kevin's and the Clark building may be a little less ....because it is at grade... ventilated by being exposed to the air. Norton/If you let them do some onsite, that costs them money, too ..... Baker/On this impact... still phase it in .... Franklin/ Thornberry/I don't think we should discourage apartments in the Near Southside. Norton/Even in the first block? Kubby/Change the emphasis .... change the focus. Baker/ ....get some sort of equitable return on the impact that is created by the private developer on public services. Thornberry/We want an impact. We want a development. Franklin/Being able to buy out your parking may be an advantage to the development. Thomberry/I am just disagreeing on the amount. Baker/Present amount and present formula .... for # of spaces... needs to be revised .... The present formula doesn't reflect the impact .... Kubby/ Thornberry/... in CB-5, instead of having one per unit for efficiency .... Franklin/Where it changes is at the two bedroom .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 29 Norton/ Thomberry/ Norton/...cars are going up somewhat in relation to the number of bedrooms. Franklin/Is there agreement on that level that we change the parking requirements to be consistent with the other multi-family? Council/ Lehman/I am not sure that I agree with it. Franklin/Well, we got four. Baker/ Lehman/In this particular area that we are talking about between Burlington and Court Street... good chance that some folks will choose to live there because they don't own a car .... 75% would be equitable and fair. Thornberry/ Council/ Norton/I looked at a formula that was in between those two .... Thornberry/ .... fees for those are lower .... I think it should be reduced .... I would like to see commercial and apartments go in Near Southside. Baker/ ....increase in residential impact fee is entirely justified... Thornberry/You just about have to have apartments above to build the commercial below in the Near Southside .... Kubby/If we did... moving to number of spaces like every other multi-family zone... in terms of how much they can and can't put on their site. Does that obligate us to make sure that we have enough spaces? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 30 Franklin/Yes. Thornberry/Within a certain length of time. Kubby/ Thornberry/ Franklin/Okay, I said yes right away but that assumes, too, that you wish to meet all of that demand. By imposing an impact fee and having it put into a fund for facility, the implication is is that you are going to provide those spaces. Thomberry/Within what length of time? Franklin/Five. Thornberry/Five years .... Nov/At the rate the private developers are putting in apartments, we are going to be constructing a lot of parking ramps based on- Thornberry/Not necessarily .... Nov/If you have a certain obligation to provide the number of spaces .... Thornberry/ Norton/Can we take any other piece of this? ....question of should we or should we not permit some onsite parking .... Franklin/It takes off some of that pressure... takes away opportunities for development because that space is devoted to parking. One of the reasons why we had limitations on how much we could put onsite... for commercial... and residential was so that the sites would not be consumed with parking .... You can pick a figure... certain percentage onsite .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 31 Norton/On the first block, don't let them put an onsite... keep it available for commercial and other things .... south of their let them put some ohsitc... encourage them or require it to put some OhSitc. Kubby/... we are going to be expected to create those facilities .... cheaper to pay the impact fee than to put in... but if there is at least some requirement in that first block as well as south, then there is some incentive to use the land as economically as possible .... I don't want to make it cheaper for them to just buy out and not have any of that under building parking. Lehman/(Can't hear). Franklin/At this point we are talking about the entire parking facility impact fee district .... Norton/I think you have different goals in the two areas ....concerned about the multi- family rate .... Lehman/155- might be reasonable in that first block. Norton/ Lehman/In that first block, I don't think you want much onsite. Norton/ ....We don't want to see that all turned into parking .... Franklin/Another variable in here. In the PRM zone- Overhead Projection: Efficiency 1 2 3 4 5 Parking Requirements CB-5 PRM All Others Except CB-10 & PRM 1/unit 1/unit 1/unit 1 1 1 1.5 2 2 1.5 2 2 1.5 2 3 1.5 2 4 Franklin/ .....PRM... more than CB-5... still less than multi-family and other zones .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 32 Thomberry/ Franklin/ Lehman/ Nov/Don't we have PRM on the Southside? Franklin/Yeah. (Refers to map). Lehman/Interesting if we had ....locations of possible buildings ....realistically .... Franklin/(Refers to map). This half of block here... Lepic Kroeger Office .... (refers to map) .... This area right here is fairly stable .... This is already redeveloped... So there is a limited amount but there is probably some. We could do an estimate- Lehman/No, no. Norton/Steve gave us- Lehman/ Norton/We had a document back in September.. three buildings on Southside... Jim Clark .... Kevin Kidwell .... Hodge Building .... they averaged almost exactly four bedrooms per dwelling unit .... looking at four bedroom operations down there. Baker/... hypothetical... Option A, current requirements .... just change it to the PRM requirements .....96 parking spaces required ....impact fee ....pay for 3/4 of them .... $360,000. Franklin/So you are taking the same parking requirements, you pay for 75%- Norton/PRM .... Bakeff Nov/If you are talking about just CB-5 ....small area. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 33 Franklin/... I think there are some voices to distinguish between the two and some not to. Norton/I want to distinguish. Lehman/I do, too. Vanderhoef/So do I. Kubby/We have always talked about different focuses .... Franklin/ Okay. Kubby/ Baker/ Norton/You are going PRM even south of Court? Franklin/That is the what it is right now. Norton/You are going to allow two parking units despite the four bedroom average? Council/(All talking). Franklin/If you change it to CB-10, there is no parking requirements at all ....no parking fee. Kubby/I think that is a mistake. Lehman/So do I. Norton/I think we want to try that myself.... Lehman/ Norton/I wish there was something .... looking for a number between 72 and 155 .... bigger than 96 .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 34 Franklin/Okay. So you want to distinguish between CB-5 and PRM as you are currently distinguishing between them for the parking requirements? Norton/Yes. Franklin/There is that distinction right now. We will stick with a distinction. Baker/The PRM is still going to be 2? Franklin/Right and the CB-5 is now 1.5. Okay. Baker/That ought to be higher. Norton/ Franklin/So CB-$ can be changed in terms of requirement such as it matches the multi- family in other zones and PRM stays the same at the 2. Norton/That will help discourage residential- Baker/ ....CB-5 at the same standards as PRM. Nov/ Thornberry/... you are going to discourage housing in the CB-5 in the first area. How in the world are you going to build commercial there without apartments to justify the cost of building? Kubby/ Thornberry/... I would like to talk to someone .... Franklin/Would you like me to survey some people who have done this to see what the impact would be of a change? Thornberry/Yes .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 35 Norton/ Baker/ Thomberry/It is a fact... impact fee ....Talk to Bell and Breese .... Franklin/If they don't have to provide it onsite, it could be a savings. Lehman/If you have to provide it onsite, it will be cheaper to pay the impact fee than to provide the parking spaces onsite .... Thomberry/Depends on what your parking impact fee is. Council/ Lehman/You can't afford parking in that area, the land is too valuable .... Baker/ Thornberry/Your bottom line on an apartment building is a long way down the road .... long term .... Lehman/You do have to require parking for apartments .... Franklin/Is there other information I can get for the council so that you can move closer to a decision? Nov/Can you get some information on what kind of onsite parking there is in the new apartment building on Buffington Street/Dubuque Street Corner? Lehman/The other thing I would like to hear is given the choice of providing parking onsite or paying an impact fee. What would a developer prefer with an impact fee of $5,000 to $6,000 .... Norton/ Thomberry/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 36 Nov/All right, we have other things to discuss .... Thomberry/ Baker/If we provide parking onsite, that is a bigger discouragement. Thornberry/I know that .... I think the fee is too high. Council/(All talking). Franklin/We are nowhere except trying to figure out- Kubby/Wait, we have like six conversations going on. Franklin/We are going to try to figure what the impact of this would be on the construction of apartment buildings and construction of apartment buildings with commercial by talking to some of the developers .... It will come back to you. It probably won't be until your second meeting in February. Okay. Kubby/... I am hearing people saying that between Burlington and Court, to go to the multi-family requirement which is the maximum of four parking spaces for a five bedroom unit... south of Court Street, to go-the PRM is there. Lehman/Yeah, but I am not sure that is enough. It still only has two. Kubby/... The PRM might need to go up? Lehman/Kick it up for 4-5 bedroom, yes. Kubby/Okay. Nov/We are going to be loaded with parking facilities. I was thinking we should take the CB-5 and give it the same requirements as the PRM, keep the whole southside the same. Norton/That is just not enough parking. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 37 Baker/We are going to have the impact regardless. It is like how do you mitigate the impact? Nov/ ....people are going to park on the street anyway .... Lehman/South of Court Street... legitimate argument... to allow parking onsite and give them credit for it. We don't want that between Burlington and Court Street. Kubby/Or as much of it. Nov/We need a break. Council/(All talking). This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 38 Regional Solid Waste Manapement Plan/Landfill Master Plan 97-14 S1 Nov/ Kubby/Are we really skipping over it, all of this conversation about the Solid Waste Plan? Nov/... it is late. We haven't been to that one yet ....lengthy discussion. So we are moving it onto another date .... Kubby/Oh, we are? Why didn't we tell that to our staff person a litfie earlier .... Nov/We didn't know it a little earlier .... Brad Neumann/(Can't hear). Norton/...I wasn't clear what decision making had to be done. Nov/Steve is going to propose that we change- Atkins/That is the Master Plan. I will write a memo to you .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 39 Community Builder Plan 97-14 S1 Nov/We can focus now on the Community Builder Plan which we have to have a p.h .... deadline for submission. David Schoon/Any questions? It is plan we have on file right now. We need to update it by March 1 ....we get bonus points when we apply for CEBA grants, RISE grants .... Kubby/And it is a compilation of other plans we have already agreed to. NoRon/... updated to the latest dates. Schoon/ Norton/I can see you have modified so it is as current as anything .... Nov/This is five years?... Schoon/Every five years. Norton/... This is just one of those gyrations you go through then .... Baker/Sounds like my first marriage .... Atkins/David- This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 40 Ma~,na Bank {A~,enda #16) 97-14 S1 Schoon/Do you have any questions on Magna Bank? Atkins/Are you okay on this? Council/ Nov/And I assume this is due to new ownership? Schoon/Yes. Norton/ Schoon/This is new ownership, a bank out of Bellevue, Illinois. Norton. Lehman/ Thomberry/Magna-burgers .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 41 Wvlde Green Sanitary Sewer Desipn Contract 97-14 SI Nov/Wylde Green and I wanted to ask you, did you bring Melrose? Fosse/Yes, we have some pictures of that. Nov/Thank you. Fosse/On the agenda tomorrow night... design contract for Wylde Green Road Sanitary Sewer Project... $550,000 project... designed to alleviate flooding out in that area... pursuing $400,000 in HUD money left over from flooding of '93 .... use it on this project .... Kubby/Will we have a hard time getting those HUD flood moneys because they were problems previous to '93? Fosse/I don't know.. meeting Thursday afternoon with HUD representatives .... Lehman/Were there problems prior to '93? Fosse/Yes .... Kubby/ Fosse/... quick summary of what the improvements would consist of is we put in a larger sewer from Hwy 1 up to Kennington Green. (Refers to map) .... houses experiencing sewer surcharging... also do various repairs upstream from Kennington Green and eliminate a cross connect between a storm sewer and sanitary sewer .....Oakcrest area ....smoke testing revealed they are cross connected .... Lehman/...sanitary. Fosse/It goes down to Hwy 1 and then follows Hwy 1. Dan Scott/(Refers to map). Kubby/... neighbors... do they know this particular plan? ..... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 42 Fosse/Dan, what is the status of working with the neighborhood out there? Scott/We have had two neighborhood meetings out there .... try to keep them involved from the beginning .... plan on having another meeting .... Norton/Where do you meet? Lehman/My house. Thornberry/... impact fee? Fosse/ Vanderhoef/I looked at the cost of the contract and it was so much higher than what was in our budget .... This is a new engineering firm .... Fosse/The budget... $60,000 is for the initial investigation ....figuring out what the problem is... entering into the design phase. Vanderhoef/... $51,000 .... this resolution is $91-. .... Fosse/It was based purely on the estimate ....$91,000 we have a scope of what is going to occur. Atkins/I think that $51- even precedes this council .....It is just a bigger project and it is not a bad estimate .... Fosse/If you are concerned about a reasonable cost for engineering services, what we use for a yardstick there is what is that engineering cost as a percentage of the total construction cost and in this case it is about 17%... can range anywhere from 12% to 25% .... seems right for this type of project .... Lehman/ Norton/Runs from 12 to 25. Lehman/... These folks are familiar with the problem ....best choice .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WSO12797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 43 Vanderhoef/ ....makes good sense. Norton/ Fosse/Thank you. Nov/When are you planning to construct this? Fosse/This summer .... land HUD money and build it late in the summer when things are dry. Lehman/When you want a meeting, let me know .... Thornberry/How long do we have to wait before we get an answer from HUD? Fosse/I don't know. Atkins/Short term ....I hope we find out next week or so, Dean .... Kubby/ Atkins/They are here... good opportunity to talk to them .... HUD CDBG moneys .... Lehman/Incidentally, at the first meeting that we had at my house, there were 57 people .... neighbors were very very appreciative. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 44 Melrose Avenue 97-14 S1 Kubby/I had a question about Melrose Avenue budget .... looking at cost for some of the personnel... hourly rates and mileage reimbursement .... Mileage reimbursement is higher than the federal reimbursement .... it is $.35 here. Seems high. I think we should check on that because that could add up. Fosse/Okay. Kubby/And the clerical seemed high .... here it is $35- seems kind of high .... Arkins/Did you want to see the Melrose Project...? Dan. Fosse/These are the conceptual pictures that BRW did ..... three lane options. That is the proposed. That is as it exists today .... three lane option with bike lanes, bus pull offs .... What will be different... on left it show's a brick area between the back of the curb and sidewalk along the tennis courts .... Thomberry/ Fosse/...need as much width as we can for football traffic .... Lehman/There is no way we can get those utilities underground, is there? Fosse/For a price .... Atkins/Underground .... all the people in the houses got to connect underground. That is where you get-. .... real expensive .... Fosse/You have to change from an overground service to an underground service to your house .... showing some new trees .... Nov/ Thomberry/(Refers to map). Fosse/ Kubby/Can't we have some of the sidewalk be bricked? .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 Janua~ 27,1997 Council Work Session Page 45 Fosse/Along the tennis courts... I will check on that. Nov/Brick is uneven .... Fosse/(Refers to map) .....better to go with full eight foot walk. Vanderhoef/ Fosse/ Norton/Down by the Law School. Fosse/That narrows down to one land in either direction there ....two lane now ....Once you go down the hill it is one way .... Council/ Fosse/ Norton/Has everything been worked out with the neighbors here on the bus stops and all of that kind of detail? .... Fosse/Yeah... I will double check with Denney to see if there are any issues hanging out there... Denney Gannon and Steve Jacobson of NNW have been spending a lot of time meeting with folks out there .... Council/ Nov/We will have our p.h. tomorrow .... Vanderhoef/Will you have a drawing to put up there? Fosse/I will see what we can round up. Council/(All talking). Thornberry/...slope ....It is quite a hump. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 46 Council/ Fosse/We knew the new bridge was going to be higher .... Nov/That is it. Thank you. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 47 Low Income Assistance Pro~ram 97-14 SI Nov/Did we want to discuss Low Income Assistance?... defer that one again .... Kubby/Put it higher on the list ....something else gets bumped. Norton/ Nov/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 48 Council Agenda/Time 97-14 SI 1. Norton/ Are PIN grants for sidewalks.. is that okay? Atkins/Generally speaking, we have allowed a lot of latitude by the neighborhoods .... very responsible way of approaching the thing. Norton/ 2. Kubby/ Do we have results from the deer count? Atkins/No, I will check with Lisa tomorrow .... Committee meeting the 30th I think ....I will find out for you. 3. Kubby/..Dick Myers... proposed a piece of legislation this year that would make utility bills, gas, electric and water, to be exempt from sales tax. We should be supporting that and encouraging citizens... Atkins/I talked to him today... Kubby/Is there a way to bill ourselves differently ....? Atkins/He found a section of the Code that Don is going to look into .... I am doing it .... Kubby/ Atkins/A very important issue .... 4. Norton/I hope we have a list... before February 12 ....we ought to talk with Legislators about .... 5. Kubby/I had some public comments... concern with our CSO's double dipping in that ..... getting their retirement plus pay as a CSO and is that a good way to keep more people employed .... not allowing new people to get into the system to have employment. Atkins/We flagged it for you- CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 97-14 SIDE 2 This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 49 Atkins/ ....qualified ....They are qualified and entitled to compete. Kubby/If we agree to add CSO's. I would like us to think about.. allow new people to get into the system .... Atkins/I understand. Kubby/ Atkins/I don't think we can flat out and say no. Kubby/ Lehman/I think you should always hire the nest qualified people that applies for the job. Kubby/ Lehman/ Kubby/CSO's... not doing sworn officer duty .... Baker/ Kubby/ 6. Baker/ .... Why are we having this meeting on February 5 on Local Option Sales Tax discussion. Kubby/Because four people agreed to do that at the- Nov/It is a presentation by a man from the State Department of Revenue. Karr/Don Burr will be coming from Cedar Rapids. Nov/Concrete information ..... Baker/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 50 Nov/He will probably have some handouts. Baker/I will not be at that meeting ....just a public meeting .... Nov/It is a meeting to hear information .... Baker/ Karr/It is a council work session. Council called that meeting and sent the invitations out. Nov/Okay. Thomberry/ 7. Baker/(Agenda #15- Payroll Deduction Policy) .... Seems to me to be an illogical policy .... Kubby/ ....schedule it for an informal ..... Norton/Let's defer it. I would like to talk about it, too. Karr/ Arkins/I would prefer Dennis handle the discussion because my role in United Way. Vanderhoeff I would just like a little bit of information... how many are we presently- Mitchell/Just United Way and that policy is illegal. Norton/Iowa Shares. Mitchell/We have to have some objective viewpoint neutral policy .... can't just say United Way can do it and nobody else. Norton/...school board .... Arkins/Still kind of fussing around it .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 51 Baker/Maybe we will have some discussion. Atkins/If you choose to defer, maybe we can bump it to a work session. Up to you guys. Lehman/ Mitchell/... private setting as opposed to... free speech issues sort of involved in this... have to treat everybody the same. Lehman/Do I have to do the same thing as a private? Mitchell/No .... Lehman/ Mitchell/This is more of a public forum. Arkins/Do it at the next meeting7 Council/(Yes). Karr/Going to defer two weeks? 8. Baker/ When, Steve... presentation on DARE Program? Arkins/... on the schedule of things .... Norton/Where did you get the DARE data? .... Arkins/We will break that out for you .... Baker/ Arkins/Just a matter of picking a time .... 9. Vanderhoef/(Agenda # 4(1) & (2)- One Eyed Jakes) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 52 Mitchell/... Mr. Porter has agreed to go ahead and submit some new plans .... which do contain the necessary fire exits... need some additional time to submit those new plans... Staff is recommending... defer this until February 25. Nov/Does his license expire by then? Karr/It is timely filed so he will be allowed to continue. Mitchell~ Nov/ Mitchell/We can defer it- Nov/I want to deny it. He has been given two years to file plans and he still hasn't done it. Mitchell/He did file the plans .... just won't work under the Building Code .... Unlawful expansion .... second floor establishment .... grandfather clause .... Lehman/He certainly hasn't complied .... it appears that we were not really up on our toes either. Kubby/ Thornberry/ Nov/None of which met the Building Code .... Thornberry/He has submitted three plans... he is trying ....I don't like the place. Lehman/ Norton/Defer it or not? Kubby/I guess we will decide tomorrow night. Mitchell/Staff is recommending deferral... for 30 days .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 53 Kubby/In the meantime he has a liquor license? Mitchell/Correct. Kubby/If we say no tomorrow night, he can still go to the state to get his liquor license, correct? Mitchell/He can appeal. Council/ Nov/Okay, folks. Mitchell/Part of the issue involved... he was disputing our interpretation of our City Code provision ....Building Code issue came up ....based on that... submitting new plans .... Vanderhoef/How long can he stay open under an appeal? Mitchell/How ever long it takes ....We can deny a renewal... he will appeal it .... Nov/He will be open pending appeal .... Can you send him a written notice that says it will meet the Building Code within 30 days. It will be constructed within 90 days or we will revoke the license. Can we put a real limit on it? Mitchell/Under the Fire Code... adopted in '93, you have 18 months to submit plans .... then you have an additional 18 months to complete the work .... Nov/ 10. Vanderhoef/Do you know why we can't have ice skating on Whispering Meadows? .... 11. Vanderhoef/Minutes of Design Review... now requesting Assessor's Records and aerial photos of everything that they are going to be reviewing. How expensive? .... Kubby/ Atkins/We have an inventory of them .... We have got the photos .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 54 12. Norton/ .....Where do we stand on council pay raises? .... Karr/ Baker/I think we ought to have our mechanism in place when we vote on the raise itself. Karr/That would be in the same ordinance. Norton/I want to propose a whole different arrangement. Nov/Propose it at the budget meeting .... Norton/Okay... note... 13. Norton/I went to the Fire Fighter's Memorial Reunion ..... Council/(All talking). 14. Nov/Nice occasion .... Founder's Day celebration at the University .... February 25 .... reception... do a program... Mayor should go to that .... ask that either that we move our starting time to 7:30 instead of 7:00 or I will come a little later .... reenactment of the dedication of the University .... Council/(All talking). Nov/ Kubby/You want it to be 7:00? Baker/Yeah ....7:00 .... Council/ Nov/Okay .... leave it at 7:00.. Ernie will start .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797 January 27, 1997 Council Work Session Page 55 15. Nov/We have focus group scheduled for tomorrow for January 29th... planning to go tomorrow atternoon .... We should have a quorum on Wednesday at 2:00... we posted that one .... Karr/Dee, are you going to be gone February 25? .... may have half hour with only four council members then. Lehman/ Vanderhoef/Good chance I won't be here the 24th .... Nov/ Kubby/ Nov/There will be a public forum on the development of 64-1A at the library, Wednesday... 2:00 PM .... That one is posted... Tuesday one is not .... 16. Atkins/Reminder... draft PCRB Ordinance in your packet... hold a p.h .... on the 1 lth. I doubt whether you are going to be ready to do that. So I think you may want to make some announcement. Council/ Arkins/I just wanted to remind you .... Nov/Announce that we are still discussing it and we might have a work session but we won't be prepared for p.h. Arkins/Okay. Nov/Thank you. Adjourned: 11:35 PM This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 27, 1997 WS012797