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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1998-01-10 TranscriptionJanuary ! 0, 1998 Council Work Session page 1 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session 8:00 AM Council: Lehman, Champion, Kubby, Norton, O'Donne!l, Thornberry, Vanderhoef. Staff: Atkins, Helling, Karr, Franklin, Fosse, Schmadeke, Yucuis, Davidson, Mansfield. Tapes: 98-5, Side 2; 9806, all; 97-7, all. Budget Discussion 98-5 S2 Lehman/Start out Steve with the basic review and discussion of the budget itself and later we will get to the CIP. Before we start, did anybody look at their packet from yesterday? Norton/No. Lehman/There is a tremendous amount ofstuffin that packet on the budget and the CIP. Atkins/We will get you through it. Norton/Am I under arrest for not studying it on Friday night? Lehman/No- Champion/Some of us go out on Friday nights. Council/(All talking). Arkins/I can understand .... In the packet, I was responding to a number of the questions you had on Monday, charts and some other information. We will get through it. Lehman/ Atkins/Ernie, if I recall, we were just wrapping up capital projects... I would encourage you to just go back to that list... next questions you had posed were operational and then I thought we would get into- I have some suggestions on how to move through capital projects .... priority process. Lehman/Rick and I talked .... This is pretty ambitious... could be overextending our Engineering office ....This is at the limit ....So I have asked him to tell us what This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WSOI 1098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 2 projects he feels we could delay without seriously impacting our overall operations. Atkinsd I would like Rick to postpone answering that question until it is kind of on the table for everybody. I want to make sure you have an understanding what each project is all about... Then I have no trouble doing that .... With that, any questions for Rick or Chuck. Jeff is also here... Some Gilbert Street projects in this budget .... That is on your agenda for Monday night, too. Thomberry/I would like to hear a little bit more about Gilbert Street. Atkins/Why don't we do this? Jeff... give sort of a 3-5 minute version of what is involved there .... Davidson/As Steve mentioned, we have got a couple of projects in the CIP... pertain to this corridor of Gilbert Street that we are going to discuss Monday night. Rick and I .... 6-12 months .... aware of this growing accident problem .... accident data .... We have a project at intersection ofHwy 6 and Gilbert to add some turn lanes. We have got a signalization project at... Gilbert and Benton. We just finished some tweaking of Kirkwood/Gilbert intersection and .... We thought let's take a look at the whole thing and get some direction from you ....comprehensive look at the corridor .... It may affect the need to program another project in your CIP .... need at least the next year to get something designed .... Discuss it in a little more detail ....Have idea of scope and scale of what it is that you are interested in pursuing ..... Lehman/I have got a question. I think that we show in 1998 in progress the $325,000 for City Plaza improvements. That is totally apart from the proposal we are going to see Monday night or is part of that included. Atkins/What we had at that number is at one time, two years ago, we put $100,000 in for replacement of playground equipment and we put $250,000 in the budget for general plaza improvements. Well, everything heated up. You have that $300- plus. You also have in the budget approximately $200,000 to address issues on Iowa Avenue and another $100,000 for sanitary sewer replacement .... Just about $1/2 million... currently appropriated for downtown issues. You may move them around. Lehman/Are these part of what we are going to see Monday night? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 3 Atkins/The answer is yes. Those monies are intended to partially address the streetscape .... far more expensive project... priority .... Norton/Three different set of documents about capital improvements .... Yucuis/In your budget book .... Norton/...We should keep track of on-going .... Kubby/Those are things we do annually .... Thomberry/Will we need all of this $4.6 million in FY98 for Airport Master Plan improvements.'? Atkins/I don't think so. Yucuis/That is the phased in plan. We haven't sold bonds for the second phase but that is actually I st and 2nd phase combined. 90% of that is fed. I don't believe we have completed the I st phase. Thomberry/I thought the fed was going to give us money periodically... spend a lot more up front... This S4.6 million, is that pretty accurate? Yucuis/That is phase 1 & 2 from the Plan. Norton/That is up front money of which 90% will be reimbursed. Thomberry/ Atkins/It is difficult to say... land acquisition ..... We have understood that it is a 90/10 project, that we had to front it and the reimbursement process... could be protracted... We would probably, if we have to come up with that kind of money... short term note before we put permanent financing in place .... Thomberry/I went down to Kansas City and spoke with the FAA .... I don't see any possibility of them bailing out .... Vanderhoef/... said it depended upon competition within the region .... take more years... Thomberry/...Somebody asked about this siding.. It is the old United Hangar .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of Janua~' 10, 1998 WS011098 January I0, 1998 Council Work Session page 4 Atkins/We felt obligated to leave that in the Capital Plan... small enough maintenance project .... Current cash. Norton/Don't they in principle, repay that? Thomberry/Eventually. Atkins/No, they don't. Thomberry/ Atkins/The United Building has taken on some historic preservation significance .... Thomberry/...rebuild it somewhere else. Lehman/It does have to be moved according to the Master Plan .... Thomberry/ Norton/Another item, is the Court Street Extended, is that our up front, our total share? .... Atkins/ Fosse/That is the total project costs. Norton/ Franklin/We are looking at doing impact fees for roads. Davidson/Remember, unlike an assessment, an impact fee, Dee, is not until they actually would develop the ground. Norton/I understand. Kubby/Back to the money for the Airport, if we do a short term note, does that get paid back with the Debt Levy? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 5 Atkins/I am pretty sure we can put that in Debt Service .... also put it back to the project. We would want to be reimbursed for that. A short term note is 3 years... It is not an uncommon practice .... Permanent financing comes later on. Thomberry/Dodge Street-Governor to Dubuque Rd. Property Only. Making that what? .... Fosse/There is a concept for four lane now and we can look at a three lane as well, both of those are on the table. Vanderhoef/What does the DOT say about it? Fosse/We are not that far along yet. Thomberry/But you have property acquisition money in for FY987 .... Fosse/We had a preliminary meeting with them yesterday on it and they want us to put together a package for funding... match... Davidson/Most serious aspect... is intersection with Prairie du Chien...accident. We can't signalize it until we reconstruct it. Lehman/ Davidson/It is a fairly high priority project just on a technical basis. Fosse/We are also having a hard time keeping that pavement in decent shape up there .... Thornberry/ Norton/How much of the Sycamore Regional Stormwater Project is- Is this the $1.66 million... total price? .... Fosse/Probably not... We do need to do some work in 98 to accommodate drainage for the subdivisions that are out there now .... Norton/So it will be some portion of this? Fosse/Yes. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 6 Atkins/Once you start the process you have a sunk cost .... Project cost approximate $1.2 million. We may spending at rate of $100- to $200,000 a year for a couple of years .... Norton/...money will presumably come back? Fosse/Right, that is one where we want to recover a portion of the cost as the area develops. To say everybody is on board right now is probably a stretch, especially with the Gaten tract. There are some reservations with the owner there. Norton/Have the new councilors gotten copies with the plan? Atkins/ .... Connie and Mike need to schedule something with Rick... walk them through it. Vanderhoef/Does this figure exclude all of our pre-planning for this project? Fosse/That includes design costs. Vanderhoef/Okay .... Lehman/Seems to me... listing of projects in progress .... indication of what we are bonding ..... obligation that we are incurring. Atkins/Yes... in a given FY, you have two construction seasons .... Southgate Avenue, $500,000 project... actual work probably won't be until springtime although it is in this FY .... Kubby/Court Street .... Lehman/This whole sheet on work in progress (FY98 Approved, In Progress) is to give us a heads-up as to what we are committing to do as of now unless we change it, not the period of time of which the money is going to be spent. Atkins/That is true. I have been heating from you collectively that you wanted to have more of an idea of all of these on-going projects ....You approved these incrementally over a couple of years .... Lehman/It is basically a sheet of commitments unless we change them .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WSO11098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 7 Atkins/We believe these to be commitments ...... Champion/ .... If some of this money has been expended already, then it is not money that we are going to spend again? Atkins/No, these are the projects costs. Champion/If these have already been expended, how do I know that? Atkins/We can go back and give you an accounting of each project .... Sycamore Regional Storm. That project is approximately $1.2 million, whole project. We do an intemal billing .... We had Lon Drake .... We pay those folks... those monies are being expended against that project. If you said I don't want to do this project now .... prior to construction. We can reconstruct how money we have spent ..... Champion/Has it already been bonded? Atkins/Not the bonding .... permanent financing .... We maintain reserves that we can charge against these projects .... Permanent financing is not in place. Norton/~Vhere do we look at the expenditures that we plan to put in the capital this year? Atkins/That is FY99, the next page (FY99). Norton/ Atkins/FY98 runs through June 30. Vanderhoef/What we have here in 98, we have some carryover from 97 .... Atkins/Inevitably .....plan, design, build and we carry those over for bookkeeping. O'Donneli/ Atkins/We tried to be very close. O'Donnell/Iowa River Trail. I saw where we had some condemnation in there at $50,000 to $215,000- This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of Janua~' 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 8 Atkins/That was suppose to be confidential. I guess it isn't anymore. Land costs for that project has gone up .... I would ask that you just not say anymore about that because we are negotiating with property owners .... Council/(All talking). Norton/Is this a finn number on the Downtown Transit Interchange? Atkins/That $219,000 is substantially that federal grant .... update. We are having a little trouble with Heitman getting them to decide certain things .... We are probably going to have to make a little stronger commitment to the design of the thing .... and ask for their approval. The $200,000, so far, appears to be a good budget... a federal grant ....That project is not in jeopardy... Got to get Heitman to bless the thing .... Norton/They had better say something pretty soon .... Arkins/There is an element of use it or lose it ..... Norton/You don't want to leave any money twisting in the wind if you can help it. Kubby/They have expressed an interest in becoming more connected to the community. Atkins/l think it will get approved .... Kubby/Going back to Mike's point, will you confirm that these figures may all go up? Atkins/Yes. Kubby/ Council/ Atkins/Sewer project is a great example. We just saved a pile of money... They are engineering guestimates to the best of our ability ....We tried to send you a little summary note on projects .... Vanderhoef/Occasionally they sit out there in the distance for quite a while, then updating it .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WSO11098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 9 Norton/Do we have somewhere the total estimates...? Like the Captain Irish Parkway .... Atkins/Adding them up, yes .... Norton/It is like the feds, they spread it out and think it and Congress thinks we are not spending very much. But if you look at the total budget ....Look at those total costs somewhere. Atkins/The memo that I prepared in your packet, Captain Irish for 98 & 99 is about $1.8 million and the rest of it is in the out years ....unfunded. I will show you that shortly. Yucuis/Dee .... We do keep track of the costs .... as they get revised. It is not something that is hidden anywhere .... It is hard to find .... The CIP in the budget book is going to show you a lot of things that are in progress that have funding and a lot of projects that we are going to do a bond issue in March .... will bring to you .... Working xvith Engineering and Planning and Parks and Rec to make sure we have the right projects to be slotted for calendar 98 to be funded. Atkins/...WooIf Avenue Bridge .... It has been recommended for award, we know how much we have to borrow... On your agenda for a vote on Tuesday night. Yucuis/The Iowa River Trails is another good one. It has been worked on for the last year. It will be coming to you for a bond issue to do that project. Atkins/Any more projects? .... Vanderhoef/How much of the Iowa River Power Dam goes onto the water funding? Schmadeke/The pedestrian trail across the top is $600,000 estimate. The rest of it. There is 5; 150,000 in state monies towards that project as well. Lehman/So that is split between Water and General Fund? Atkins/And State. Vanderhoef/Only $600,000 from General Fund? Atkins/Remember the agreement we worked with Coralville for the REAP grant. That all figures in. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page ! 0 Norton/So the General Fund is $600,000? Okay. Thomberry/ Atkins/I am trying to make sure we understand everything. One you haven't asked much about is the Hwy 6 median, sidewalk, drainage, $4 million over next four years .... Brand new project .... Fosse/Major component is enclosing that ditch on the southside from Hills Bank, up past K-Mart .... put a sidewalk/trail... Gilbert Street all the way to Sycamore. Also included taking that median and putting a curb around it so that we can make that look a little nicer .... Put some asphalt shoulders on outside of pavement .... I met with the DOT .... willing to .... 10% of the cost of the storm sewer construction .... come with very few strings attached. They did recommend that we do a study of the corridor all the way from Riverside Drive out to 420th Street ..... improvements .... meet our long term need .... We no longer formally have a traffic engineer, we are now eligible for traffic engineering assistance ....We are going to make an application to the State to have them study that corridor .... Vanderhoef/Are you including the idea of possibly adding lanes at this point? Fosse/That is right. Vanderhoeff That xvas one of the things that I was very interested in taking to JCCOG. Atkins/But there are no additional lanes in this budget. Fosse/That is correct. Vanderhoef/...make that decision and do it all in one big project ....I am not interested in the project without having that extra lane. Norton/Pipe in instead of the ditch and then a trail...sidewalk. Is there plantings, too, along that south side? Fosse/Right .... and there are some things we can do with some decorative walkway lighting... potential for sprucing up that corridor there. Norton/Have you met with any of those folks out there? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of Janua~ 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 11 Fosse/We will .... Kubby/Decorative lighting, we don't need to go crazy with it .... Fosse/Up front costs is one thing but maintaining that stuff is another ..... Kubby/There have been concerns about safety .... long term maintain costs .... If there is a way of getting short length... native grasses ....not obstructing visions... that we don't have to maintain .... Thomben3,/There is an alternative... called grass .... I mow all the way out to the highway... state property .... I have talked to businesses... all be willing to do that. Kubby/1 am talking about the median. Thornben3'/I want to talk about those medians. I don't think a curb on either side is going to solve any problem... Wondering if there are any alternatives... other than just curbs .... Fosse/We are not into the design phase. Lehman/Do we feel this is a high priority? Do we want to leave it in the CIP? .... Atkins/This project represents $3.6 million worth of borrowing... certainly can be phased... Study is something that is going to take some time .... Kubby/How do we determine? .... I want to somehow know... indication that people will actually use the sidewalks .... determining how high of priority... Atkins/One of the things about public sidewalks .... You don't build them until you find out where the students are going .... That is a major highway .... I not really sure how to address the issue... Can make some really nice pedestrian improvements up and down that road ....It has been somewhat of a barrier between those neighborhoods... Davidson:' We have had some fairly extensive work with the Grantwood Neighborhood Association... biggest concern was getting across the highway... very supportive .... At grade crossing at Fairmeadows seems to be working satisfactorily. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of Janua~' 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 12 Kubby/ Lehman/This trail sidewalk... is going to connect up with that trail down at Napoleon Park .... part of the trail system .... not just local .... Kubby/Does this project incorporate that sidewalk going across the river on the bridge? Lehman/Trail is on the east side. Kubby/...will it connect? .... Council/(All talking). Norton/Let me ask... something has got to be done about the ditch .... Fosse/Fortunately for us, the DOT is stuck with maintaining that .... They said the study would probably take 1 -1 I/2 year... No reason that we cannot proceed with the pipe ....The location of that is relatively fixed ....Means mucking up that corridor twice .... Norton/...seems to me extremely priority .... Atkins/...this budget, as proposed, the $4 million .... has got to be pushed out one more year which means you have opened up some financing. We are not going to be doing any borrowing next year for this project .....Everything get shifted at least one year .... Vanderhoef/I had looked at it... possibility... on-going capital improvement of beautification of entranceways .... I asked about some new continuous lighting from 1-80 to downtown .... had to wait until we got our sewer project done... I still am interested in pursuing a continuous .... lighting... Atkins/The entrance to city beautification project is something that you have very broad discretion to do .... It is intended to give us a budget that will address those very issues .... We have not done any official projects yet. Vanderhoef/But shift some of the money offof the Hwy 6 beautification to N. Dubuque right now for this coming year. Kubby/We need to see what everyone's ideas are first .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 13 Vanderhoef/ Atkins/Any other general issues? .... Thomberry/...going to save some money in FY98 .... Atkins/In year 2000 a new project .... Longfellow Pine Street Pedestrian Bike Trail. You did receive one item of correspondence .... Davidson/Going under the railroad .... Old tunnel .... Engineering-wise we are better off putting in a new tunnel ....neighborhoods on both sides have been supportive of it... safety enhancement ....railroad.. they don't like people going over the top of the road... a lot of kids and adults do go over the top .... That is what this project would do .... Police officer could go down the end... shine a light.. security aspects. Atkins/Then in 01... Mormon Trek sidewalk .... I think .... we will probably be pulling that out. $175,000 project. That portion of Mormon Trek by the University, institutional road.. They are now putting together a project for new recreational facilities, etc .... I don't see... why they can't incorporate a sidewalk into their project planning. Norton/West from Melrose? Davidson/What you will hear from the University... they cannot use University institutional road funds... for sidewalks... The road funds the University gets from the state cannot be used for sidewalks .... They have approached both City of Coralville and ... Iowa City .... discuss overall plan out there. They would like you to come up with some money for that .... There is no sidewalk between Melrose Avenue and ..... railroad tracks .... A lot of pedestrian traffic out there. Vanderhoef/ Davidson/Coralville... plan that actually calls for widening that railroad .... Lehman/That sidewalk .... talking to University about other projects. Kubby/I think we should communicate with Coralville that we both say no, this is your responsibility .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WS011098 January l 0, 1998 Council Work Session page ! 4 Davidson/You may get a chance to do that at the JCCOG meeting .... Atkins/Another project in 01 ... East West Parkway (Sycamore to Detention Basin). 01 is a lot sooner than you think it is... $ I million investment... I have a little concern about that .... $900,000 in borrowing to finance the project. Fosse/That is one we can either take a lead on or allow development to take a lead on .... Franklin/There is some periodic .... of development interest down there on the Langenberg property... cost sharing .... South Sycamore Detention Basin .... focus on that as a recreational facility...timing of that .... If it is just to facilitate development of the Langenberg property... sharing of costs. Norton/Is this proposed detention basin close to one of the school sites out there? .... Franklin/...preferred site was on Sycamore... also site... on comer .... about 1/4 section west of detention basin ....Other site that we looked at... is in south part of Langenberg property .... Sycamore Farms... Davidson/ .... big picture... Hwy 6 issues .... That is the next arterial street running east and west... capacity issues .... Kubby/ Davidson/ CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 98-6 SIDE 1 Thomberry/ Franklin/As development occurs in that South District .... That is why the Gilbert Street Corridor is becoming- Norton/Once that stormwater project, opens up the possibility... nested set here ....talk about school thing on Wednesday. Thomberry/...going to skew more traffic to the east on 6. Davidson/There is not another river crossing ....There is a lot of traffic from the south that comes up .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WS011098 January I0, ! 998 Council Work Session page 15 Champion/Is there any long term plans to build a road across that river? Davidson/Yes .... Council/(All talking). Norton/...Gilbert Street and Hwy 6. Thomberry/As we are doing more with Scott Blvd., that whole corridor .... if you put another school... Lord .... Vanderhoef/Sycamore is one of the north south things that we have to take care of.... Sycamore is a higher priority than you might think. Lehman/FY01 ... Benton-Orchard to Oaknoll ..... it was to be done sooner than that .... Fosse/It will be a challenge. River Street hill taken more money... given reconstruction of arterial streets ....capacity improvement... This is probably as soon as it will happen .... Council/ Lehman/Are you going to be able to meet the challenge to maintain it? .... That is a horrible road. Fosse/ Franklin/If the council is committed to doing this in 01, we should start now talking with the people who live along Benton Street .... If we get the signal from you that yes, you are committed to this ....weathering all of the debate that is going to go on, we will start .... Lehman/Are we talking about acquiring property all the way to Oakno!l? .... Davidson/Clearly there is a technical basis for capacity expansion .... difficult .... Lehman/The problem is from the top of the hill east .... Davidson/Three lane... four lane.. is a big difference .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page ! 6 Thornben3~/What is the advantage of doing a three lane on Benton? Lehman/...appears to me to move traffic very well .... Kubby/...higher safety ratings... Vanderhocf/l got nailed in the lane on First Avenue ..... I don't see them as safer .... Thornberry/ Lehman? Kubby/Just talking about the timing of things. Thomberry/ Norton/I don't see how we cannot start. That cannot be delayed very long .... I would vote to get it in the hopper and get started. Atkins/Some of you are looking at Rick .... ask the question and then turn to Rick .... Vanderhoef/...Civic Center 3rd floor... remodeling.. sitting out here... I have never seen a plan... I would like to see more about it. Atkins/At the last meeting, we owe you a formal presentation and we will do that. Kubby/And with justifying information about why it is worth that expense .... Atkins/We will take care of it. Thomben3? Space above the Police Department .... Atkins/That is empty .....floor was just roughed in and walked away from it. Thomben-3,.'/...on this ....$524,000 to finish off an existing space? Atkins/Right, big hit is elevator ..... We are going to go back and re-do that whole thing. We did not package that well for you. We will put that all together for you. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of Janua~' 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 17 Norton/When do xve actually make the decision... regarding Benton Street? .... Atkins/If you leave it in 01 ..... I want to go out of here with just those cues. We will go back and re-ask you some of those questions. Staff will be making notes. Okay, 01 on Benton Street means we begin now .... Vanderhoeff Then package it also so we know how much our staff can handle. So we aren't going outside Engineering on too many of them. Atkins/In 02, there are four projects I want to flag... First Avenue Extended is back in the Plan and accordance with the referendum .... GIS Stormwater Quality Management... reservations about that project .... I also envisioned capital budgets to be capital assets... physical assets .... I am giving some serious though about pulling that and putting in the operating budget ..... Operating budget can't take a $600,000 hit. We are going to be rethinking that ..... have to deal with .... I don't like it as a capital project. Scott Blvd. Extended- Design Only. You need to flag that one with Captain Irish .... fits together .... I am going to ask Rick to explain Park Road-Riverside Drive. Davidson/That is a project adjacent to the new building the University has built ....add left turn lanes on all three approaches ..... Vanderhoef." And you are signalizing that? Davidson/No. Norton/ Davidson/...at present time .... Norton/Isn't that going to be a pretty sticky comer well before that? Atkins/We are waiting for that building to open. Davidson/I would characterize that as not being a real critical intersection at this time .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10. 1998 Council Work Session page 18 Vanderhoef/I would like to look at how the entrance to City Park is in conjunction with that .... It can be pretty hairy sometimes there. Atkins/ Norton/On 02, showing Hwy 6 Median .... $1 million every year for four years? Atkins/That is correct .... $3.6 million in borrowing, $400,000 in Road Use Tax .... may be able to get 10% funding to help offset that... suggestion... pump it at least a year to do the plan .... This budget did have $3.6 million worth of debt borrowing. Kubby/I have questions about Second and Third Avenue Bridges ..... costs incorporate... Is it just rip-rap junk? Fosse/Include... package.. similar to what we built on Brookside Drive .... nicer .... Norton/Brookside would be a good example of what you are intending? Fosse/Yes .... Brookside we tried to put some more character into the bridge... blend it better with the neighborhood ..... Kubby/...do that in an esthetic way ....? Fosse/That is a tough one ..... Atkins/Most of you understand...bridges... state wide priority system on funding... You can receive up to 80% or $850,000 .... make assumption that it is a $300,000 project and our borrowing will be about $90-.... You can proceed with those bridge project virtually anytime you want but we try to take advantage of monies that are made available to us. Fosse/On at least one of these... culvert now ....needs to be big enough to be a bridge .... Kubby/ .... important .... HyVee .... get water off.... my house... will get flooded because of HyVee ..... Hesitant .... needs to be done. Fosse/That stretch along old E Street r.o.w... constrained stretches of Ralston Creek. Kubby/I don't see ... in here Ralston Creek Trail to Scott Blvd. from Muscatine and Creekside... Court Hill. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January. 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 19 Atkins/It is in there but unfunded ....final page... everything else ....In your budget ....long list .... Kubby/Wc might want to move some things up. Norton/I xvant to ask about this... Dubuque to Prairie du Chien Foster Road Extension... in 2000. You said that was just for waterlines. Schmadeke..' Buying the r.o.w. Norton/ ....define road. Schmadeke/(Can't hear). Norton/Isn't that going to be an extremely complicated project going through there?... Franklin/\Vc had a design of that r.o.w. which we are reconsidering now .... We are work i ng on that now in conjunction with the property owners ..... Davidsow' There is only about one place you can come out on Prairie du Chien Road .... Franklin/And same way with Dubuque Street intersection ..... Norton/Is there a sketch somewhere with that? I will check ..... boggles me .... Franklin/ ....we are redoing that. Kubby/I can see the discussion saying while we are doing the water pipe, we should do the road. I am not that interested .... in next four years... How many directions can we keep up with? ....How do you spread it out just a little bit everywhere? I don't kno~v. Atkins/I think we can show you... a balance .... Vanderhoel? Opportunity is also sitting there ....balance. Atkins/In the back of your original budget document is the 03 (referred to Capital Improvement Program -Projects That Are Unfunded Or in Fiscal Year 2003 and Beyond). Unfunded .... we couldn't get it fitted in, didn't have enough money .... I This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WSOl1098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 20 don't think you are going to see any major surprises .... There is one correction. Burlington Street Bridge, project 324, has now been bumped up... have to do that now. Fosse/Boltore side of the arches. Atkins/ Champion.." When you take all of these capital improvement plans... Do you know off the top o f your head .... what order now do you have on these plans to do the First Avenue and Scott Blvd. and Captain Irish Parkway? Atkins/Yot, have in front of you, Connie, a 5-year plan... 98 projects in process .... 99, 2000.01, 02. That is a demonstration ... arrived at collectively... staff.... We try to schedt, le these things that meet safety needs, available funding, council interest. That is how xve come up with it. This list of projects has been proposed... by operating departments. They did not find their way into the 5-year plan .... a variety reasons .... Council knows that collectively... round up four people ..... Thornberry/... if you have an interest in any of these things .... Atkins/Look at Project 360 .... Scott Park Area Tnmk Sewer .... Iowa City Care Center... they :ire on septic... they have got troubles... before that land can develop, you have got to have a sewer system ....we know those things. We just simply haven't put it in our plan .... Kubby/If wc do that sewer project ....we have opened up a whole other area for development .... Atkins/And we are not prepared to serve that area ..... Thornberry/...annexed ....moratorium on building .... until we got sewer .... Atkins/Artoilier one... Project 323 Beer Creek Storm Sewer .... along edge of Beer Creek... runs from Old Brewery Square .... Fosse/It goes right past the Civic Center... into Ralston Creek right over here. Atkins/Problcm... State Historical Society Building is getting water .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of Januar?r.' 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 21 Fosse/(Refers to map) .....limestone .... Atkins/... up past the church... under the church .... old stacked limestone... Got pictures of it ..... It is a project .... it is important .... Lehman/Regarding this Beer Creek Sewer .... difficulty ....State Historical Society Building? Fosse/That is what we are hearing about now .... Right now .... rains hard... floods the basement .... water is coming out of Beer Creek Storm Sewer .... Is some interconnection. We have gone in the storm sewer and done some patching and try and limit what is leaving the storm sewer .... modified the drain system underneath the building ....problem has been reduced. Long term solution is to replace the pipe. Lehman/ ....any other short term solutions? Fosse/We can keep patching inside the pipe... cut a trench... put chemical grout in there .... Norton/On page of Unfunded, 345, Hwy 6 .... None of that is included in the things we have already done about Hwy 6? Project 345? Atkins/ Norton/That would be considered as you are looking at the overall project? Fosse/With the corridor study .... Norton/Already got projects for fixing Sycamore Street, both sides from Hwy 6, don't you? Atkins/Yes. Davidson/(Can't hear). Arkins/Sycamore, Hwy 6 to DeForest. That is $200,000 in 01. Davidson/(Can't hear). This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City. council meeting of January 10, 1998 WSO11098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session Norton/Where is the Library in this? Atkins/99. Norton/And cultural center is unfunded? Atkins/We flagged it ..... Council/(All talking). Atkins/When it comes to financing, that requires a referendum... doesn't get factored in .... Suggest, take five minutes. We can come back .... priority evaluation setting ..... Memo I put in the packet on Friday (1/9 Council Packet, CP 1 ) .... ICouneil Break 9:25 - 9:40 PM] page 22 This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 23 CIP Discussion 98-6 S1 Atkins/In your packet... summary memo on CIP (Atkins January 8 Memo re: CIP) .... revised it in anticipation of this meeting .... very apparent .... couple of things that I just wanted to show you in that packet. These are the review criteria. (referred to Criteria For Review and Your Visions - Comprehensive Plans) .... save that for later. One thing I did do, important to your review... chose to take the capital projects and place them in four categories... timing... more with the issue of discretion ....We consider the plan a plan ....came up with four categories up the current plan ....I would like to explain them to you. In the memo I have identified four categories called Maintenance of Public Service, Maintenance and Enhancement of Public Service, Creating A Development Opportunity Through City Initiative, .... Community Initiatives. Maintenance of Public Service. These projects represent a continuation of a current public service .... this category... very little discretion.. got to do these things. if you don't do them, you would be denying the public some access to the public service represented. For example, reconstruction of a bridge... replacement of an existing facility... value.. decline... public inconvenience .... closed .... I have taken all of the projects and in looking at that list .... there is some judgments in there... may agree or disagree... That list of projects, your discretion is very limited. Maintenance and Enhancement of Public Service. That is as we plan a repair or reconstruction of a capital asset, we plan to improve upon it .... more accessibility for public... We are maintaining the service... Sturgis Ferry Park is the example. It is there .... If we are going to fix... enhancing it... Hwy 1 Rt. Turn Lane is an improvement of that intersection ..... If you don't do it, it changes that role of public service .... I am trying to move you through discretion. Creating A Development Opportunity Through City Initiative. These are projects that clearly provide you with broad discretionary authority where you have a choice. I have deliberately included all the Water and Wastewater .... there is sufficient .... capacity expansion is built into that system .... grouped them all right there .... Our water and sewer systems clearly maintain an existing public service but how you decide on what projects has a significant consequence with respect to creating future growth and land development opportunities ..... his is initiatives that we would take. Karin did a little analysis on number of acres that might be opened. This third category is very discretionary. You don't have to do ....You could choose not to do Foster Road .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 24 Schmadeke/On Wastewater Treatment Plant, that is a mandate. Atkins/Community Initiatives. These are projects where I believe council has the broadest discretion .... These capital projects meet community interests .... not necessary .... are nice to have .... Thomberry/Butler House .... Atkins/ .... It is an initiative that we decided a couple of years ago .... Do our best to preserve that house ....Those are the four categories of projects ....I tried to put together the issue ....of where you have a range of choice ....Questions... what do I want to do... community implications... strong opinions ....what is the financial issues ....am I willing to give up other things ....taxes ....tax rate and out obligations. We did not... do a geographical iocational. That is a legitimate issue. Trying to balance the projects ....Let's decide northeast Iowa City is where we want to put most of our efforts ....How you go about evaluating projects? If there are projects on the list you clearly don't like ....let's draw a line through it .... clearly there is not at least a good three votes ....You also have the ability on projects... postpone it, push it out .... Are there projects that are highly desirable and you wish to see them sooner than later? That is a call you can make ..... You are going to have to find some way to tie it back to .... the vision statements, comp plans .... policy .... how it all fits together. Kubby/When we talk about looking at those plans, don't we need to look at the plans and say what is the highest priority in the plan? Atkins/You do... most plan language is .... vague enough that allows you discretion .... What would this project mean to me day to day, my life .... and I tried to look at that .... I tried to bunch those in a fashion .... Norton/Trying to relate this to the Comp Plan,... see a way to do that, Steve? Atkins/I could not... I am not real sure other than responding to a priority question that you might raise. We talk about them. When Jeff brings a project.. he has done that work. We can identify those .... Norton/If you look at each ....all sections of the community ....Are the right things in here? .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 25 Atkins/Geographical 1ocational debate... planning process .... Difficulties we have is that you have a budget to deal with .... Kubby/Maybe .... coming fall... take a good look at the Comp Plan and prioritize policy statements in the Comp Plan .... I don't want projects drive what we do in the Plan .... The Plan has to drive it. Franklin/There are two aspects of the Comprehensive Plan .... 1-When we look at putting in infrastructure .... CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 98-6 SIDE 2 Franklin/Consequences of development .... Also those general policy statements .... For instance, the alternative modes of transportation. The different trail projects that are kind of sprinkled through the CIP .... With the budget that you have got before you, what I have done is look at the different FYs and what area ofthe city is focused on, I highlighted capital projects that we have done. So we can see where we are going in terms of putting an emphasis on where development will occur .... We will also use the Action Plan that you will be getting probably in the middle of next month to look at things we are going to do in FY99 that are going to carry out the Plan .... capital projects will be included. Kubby/Try to look at the work plan. Franklin/There is already in this document that you have, already focus on different parts of the community .... Kubby/We haven't gone through that .... Norton/We can individually do that .... Norton/Have we thoroughly anticipated stormwater guidelines that might jump on us? .... Atkins/We have anticipated. Thoroughness of what is going to have to wait the final rules and regulations which aren't due... two years. Step back on stormwater for a moment. We have done a good bit with respect to issue of stormwater .... separation of sewers, stormwater retention throughout down... and we have proposed stormwater projects for you to deal with them... Recognize in Stormwater Management Policy is the feds .... they did something called Best Management Practice .... they are saying that can we demonstrate a policy that we This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 26 do deal with urban runoff and do we have in place means to take care of it... answer is yes... In our subdivision regulation .... developer... you care going to have to do this... I didn't make that rule... We have built in certain contingencies... Chuck's credit... If we cannot fulfill through use of land... stormwater run-off, we have the ability to switch over the Clinton Street Sanitary Sewer Plant to stormwater .... switch it over.. different level of stormwater .... It is there .... Norton/You have done one west... looked at- Fosse/Yes, we are looking at a regional basin out there. Atkins/It is a big deal .... Kubby/We are going to be ahead a lot of communities .... Atkins/I think ...cities... very urban .... no idea .... towns that have large tracts of land... urban issues... Stormwater is very land consumptive... They do want to clean it up. Fosse/It is a costly issue to deal with .... First round... communities larger than 100,000. The average cost simply to submit the application... $1/2 million .... Kubby/Our stormwater is not getting cleaner .... more stuff on the streets ....Which end do you pay for it on? Atkins/I don't think there is any doubt.. safe clean urban environment... worthwhile goal... Other issue.. not sure... feds.. state... agriculture interest... hog lots are a mess... pollute the ground water. I have watched the states... I think we are going to clean up our environment... issues is where do we send this by-product. What I tried to do .... tried to categorize those projects for you. Folks, I need to know what you want to do. Do you want to go through Maintenance of Public Service and give at least some blessing to them? Try it as an exercise. Lehman/... I think the Comp Plan is relatively vague .... makes it very flexible .... I think is has to be affected by market as well. Some of our decisions.. maybe be market driven .... has to be a combination of what we would like to do and what the market demands us to do. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 27 Vanderhoef/I agree... when I look at them... conflicts... plan driven.. We have to pick and choose the priority... However, the market is going to help push it and has nothing to do with how the plan comes about. We can't always say that the plan is going to be the lead on it. It is the market that is going to be the lead on it for me in many cases .... Norton/...whether we have to respond to every market pressure. Vanderhoef/ Lehman/Combination .... don't want to give the impression that we are going go set out a road plan .... We think we have to respond to the market. Norton/Willow Creek Sewer, for example .... Karen was just saying we need to be careful to review each of those .... Kubby/Part of our job as a government is to guide the market .... Lehman/ Norton/Shape it some. Thornberry/I like these categories .... We have got to maintain this public service thing .... If we agree .... those we have very little discretion on ..... Then we have a little more discretion .... First things first, maintenance of public service, that is a given. Champion/ .... Heating and air conditioning for the Library... Would we view that before the bond referendum? .... Atkins/This is a plan. We would not bring you the expense item until some later date... has been a change. That has been on our CIP. If the bond referendum were to pass, you are correct... Other political questions... modify it... The Library, as a current public service, carpeting in the building is shot. It has to be replaced. The HVAC system must be renovated .... Timing of which... political questions .... Yucuis/Susan Craig and I talk about... priority .... Carpeting... HVAC .... I will be getting a memo from her stating we need to do the HVAC no matter what happens because you need that in the building ....Carpeting can be pushed back to see what is happening with the referendum .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 28 Atkins/Connie, could you remove that from the list? You could probably remove the carpeting with the understanding... aggressively pursue the referendum .... We won't spend money... without your approval. Lehman/Even if the bond referendum passes, the length of time between now .... ready for occupancy... something is going to have to be done .... Council/(All talking). Lehman/...life of carpet.. some discretion... Champion/Major concern was do you replace the heating or air-conditioning ...... Make sure it would tie into a project .... Thornberry/Roof and HVAC .... had to do with books becoming yellowed and mildewy .... books... pages get bad .... Norton/...buckets on the floor .... library improvements, that space has to be available for something .... whatever we do will be an investment that is not down the drain. Kubby/ Thornberry/I am not really crazy about decisions on what to do with the space that they currently got .... meeting rooms.. library space... Atkins/ICN, I think you need to debate that. Norton/Run down the list .... Arkins/Remember, you are looking at 5 years worth of projects .... not a timing issue. Norton/When will we see the list of city plaza improvements?...detailing of that? Arkins/I assume we can have (can't hear). We have a separate presentation. Thornberry/ Norton/Going down the maintenance. Vanderhoef/Tell me concern on methane and Transit parking lot. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 29 Atkins/We will be presenting to you a report. We did a comprehensive study down there... methane collection system .... Transit Building... We think technically we have kind of figured out what the issues are... Bottom line is Transit Building... built it on top of the landfill. Got to figure out how to get that methane away from the building .... We received a federal grant for the parking lot... to fix the parking lot .... they appeared to be okay with this... May want to use the moneys for the methane re-mediation and fix the parking lot later on .... Lehman/What is $150,000? Atkins/Parking lot improvement project at Transit Building... It has originally been planned to repair the parking lot and make it look nice again. Lehman/Given the nature of that property down there .... Is there any way of hard surfacing a lot down there that is going to last for any period of time? Atkins/I don't see how you can. Lehman/Kind of foolish to spend 5;150,000 on hard surface on something that isn't going to work anyway. Atkins/We also can't do a roller coaster. It has got to get fixed. Lehman/If you can't make it work, why put in an expensive asphalt or concrete lot? .... Atkins/If you put in a gravel lot, it is still going to do that ..... Schmadeke/That lot is probably 15 years old, which is the life of an asphalt surface lot anyway. Vanderhoef/How much of that $150- is part of the federal grant? Atkins/All of it. Davidson/When we built the Transit Facility... It was designed... building doesn't move... intended that the parking lot would sink and settle... we fully expected to do that .... It is according to the way it was designed. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WSOI 1098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 30 Atkins/You are going to receive a formal proposal in dealing with that... Also have to deal with methane at the landfill as a new project. Thomberry/After it rains you can go out there and drive through those things and get the whole bottom of your car... washes all sand and salt off.... Atkinsd Norton/On Lower Muscatine, is that widening? To DeForest? Fosse/That is capacity improvement, improving the pavement that is out there. Kubby/We don't need to acquire property? .... Fosse/I can't say that .... Norton/ ....that is where the four lane starts? Davidson/The delineation them is the commercial area... from Spruce the rest of the way towards town is residential .... Council took part from Franklin down to DeForest out. We feel that there is a real problem .... It will taper down through the residential areas. You don't have the turning movements .... Vanderhoef/What does it do right at Sycamore? Davidson/Spruce takes us pass Sycamore ..... Signalization ....future... we want to have it set up right .... Council/(All talking). Kubby/Just for the public record... I don't approve of all the improvements in the Master Plan. Atkins/The Airport? Kubby/Yes. Atkins/Okay, next list. (Referred to Maintenance an Enhancement of Public Service.) Lehman/Airport T-Hangar .... loan? .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City. council meeting of January 10, 1998 WSOI 1098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 31 Atkins/Yes, $350,000... direction to Commission was you have to find tenants .... pay it back .... We will probably do internal borrowing... Lehman/Burlington Street Dam Safety... probably should be combined with bridge repair .... Atkins/I assume we will do at same time .... You do not have to do that... safety improvement... marginal. Fosse/ ....problem...potential for people falling through. Norton/Railings come first? Fosse/In current program they do simply because that whole safety thing... makes good sense to combine the two projects .... moved railing out to 2000. Vanderhoef/How does this connect.. safety issue of grab lines? Fosse/That is something the University is going to address .... Vanderhoef/Would railings fall into their responsibility also? Fosse/No .... We sat down and decided who was responsible for what. Iowa City took on was improving railings and bridge and also.. signage on river to alert people that there is a dam ahead .... University... dam does belong to them. Vanderhoef/Are we going to have to address on Iowa Avenue... Park Bridge? Fosse/A toddler really can't fall through those ..... Norton/In other words, you are comfortable with leaving both the railings and under- structure repair to 2000? Fosse/Yes. Thornberry/Grab lines... could have been put in 5-6 years ago by private donation .... I remember long before I got on council.. asked if we could donate money to put a line through there and that river is not the city purview. It is the state .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 32 O'Donnell/We xvanted to put a sign on the bottom part of it .... Thomberry/It is a state thing .... Lehman/ VanderhoeU So that goes to 2000. Norton/The Burlington Street Dam. Atkins/Is that what Rick said? Lehman/Yes. Atkins/Okay, his call. Norton/What is the signal controllers? Are you going to phase those lights on Burlington? Lehman/Now you have protected left turn... Fosse/It is bigger than just that... What will happen is all those signals along there will be inner connected... data for the whole system .... whole corridor .... That will take some learning curve .... incremental improvements over time. Norton/ Fosse/So far right now we need to tell it, given this scenario, do this. Thomberry/Are you thinking or not re-thinking the prohibition of right turning from Burlington, going west on Burlington, to get into the Holiday Inn Parking Lot .... ? Kubby/It is because of complaints from pedestrians .... Arkins/...residents of Capital came to us .... we can't get across fast enough .... deliberate decision .... Lehman/ Thornberry/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 33 Kubby/On Foster Road/Dubuque Intersection .... question about timing. Is that the whole intersection on both sides of Dubuque Street? Atkinsd Yes. Kubby/Is it necessary to do both sides of Dubuque since we are not doing the Foster Road up to Prairie du Chien until later? Davidson/We get more comments from that side of the street .... Meadow Ridge .... Norton/They can't get out. Lehman/...real problem intersection... Davidson/Those people make up 2% of total volume. Tough to do a $1 million improvement based on 2%. Franklin/This is coordinated with Foster Road on west side .... signalize both sides at once. Kubby/Comments.. Civic Center 3rd floor and Police Department, 2nd floor. I don't buy totally into that .... more justification. Vanderhoef/I need that information, too .... Norton/Public Works Complex, Phase I entails what? Schmadeke/Improvements to the site and the office building and part of the storage facility .... Norton/Does it include digging the hole? Atkins/Yes, it is site improvements, centralized building and part of the storage building is figured into Phase 1 .... This is not done ... We have not confirmed the south side location .... number of other issues... That is at least a year out... Norton/Tentative thinking is in the south section? .... Atkins/Yes. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa Ci~ council meeting of Janua~' 10, 1998 WS011098 January 1 O, 1998 Council Work Session page 34 Schmadeke/Right. Lehman/Only other thing .... Napoleon Park parking lot... street ....chip seal makes a lot more sense ..... Atkins/If we were to do chip seal for Napoleon Park and soccer fields .... how much less .... Thomberry/Eliminate curb and gutter. Atkins/You can put curb and gutter in chip seal. Norton/Matter of water control... Fosse/Part of it is cars getting in and out ....controlling water. Atkins/It is a seasonal facility... Also tried to have us live by codes we imposed on others .... Vanderhoel7 ...at least one of these parking lots as a test place for the shingles. Atkins/We are already going with the shingles, aren't we? Schmadeke/In the county primarily. Vanderhoef/...either Napoleon or soccer fields. Atkins/Is the parking lot a problem? Schmadeke/I don't have enough history on these shingles .... Davidson/You don't want to use that material on something that gets a lot of traffic .... soccer complex gets 10,000 people a weekend out there .... Vanderhoef/Until we do a test... how will we know .... I am asking to see what it might do in a higher traffic area. Schmadeke/People are walking barefoot across that parking lot .... concerned. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WS011098 January i 0, 1998 Council Work Session Lehman/What was the savings on chip seal versus asphalt? Schmadeke/l am going to have to get back with you .... you want the curbs .... Kubby/What are consequences of not having curbs? .... Norton/Old Central Maintenance Building at the park is on schedule? .... Atkins/It is being designed .... cemetery would become purely cemetery ..... Vanderhoef/ them what Atkins/This computer system is an upgrade to their current system ..... Kubby/ Atkins/Technologically it is 8-9 years old .... Yucuis/Original software... '78... upgrading that .... Lehman/Also said it cannot be further upgraded .... Atkins/We had set aside cash annually from the General Fund to pay for this and we have chosen to go with debt to finance the thing .... Thomberry/...voice mail- Atkins/Telephone system, not voice mail .... Norton/Cemetery Expansion in 2000... considered full expansion .... whole 10 acres thing. Lehman/Does that have to be done all at one time? Atkins/We can phase it. Kubby/ ....When you do all at once, the parameters get laid out... big advantage of doing it all at once .... page 35 Having all of those maintenance and forestry is a wonderful place to keep together .... Tell me about the Library computer system. How much of this is is necessary at this point? .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, ! 998 Council Work Session page 36 Norton/ Kubby/It is big enough that phasing it would not be totally inefficient. Vanderhoef/Circle there in the middle... two arms... Arkins/The design work is underway on that .... Vanderhoef/...talked to Terry a little bit about phasing that, too .... give us a consider number of lots... east arm... infant cemetery .... possible phasing. Kubby/What about putting all the roadways in... parameter of what eventually will be developed is set .... grading happens in phases or something? Atkins/ Vanderhoef/ Kubby/That way people know what is going to be disturbed .... Norton/Get the grading so you get re-growth... grass... So things look decent... Lehman/All xve are doing here is prioritizing .... Council/(All talking). Lehman/Public Works, $2, 463,000 .... I think realistically it will not fall in the year that we have got it earmarked for. Atkins/I think you are right .... somewhat hold Chuck's feet to the fire... because that building really is falling down. We have just got to get it fixed ....potential for that. We want to stay after this one. Norton/Will the Benton Orchard to Oaknoll, will that change if anything happen with Braverman-Ruppert issues? .... Franklin/I doubt it. Lehman/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 37 Atkins/ ....you need to say ....Heard that let's get going on this one .... Norton/Get started now on acquisition .... Atkins/We need to do some preliminary engineering to find out what we have to do. You are not giving us any direction with respect to 1-lane, 2-lane,. ..... 5-lane. You are just saying let's start putting this thing together and bring it back to you. Norton/That is what I would say .... Atkins/Okay. Chuck, Karin, you heard. Okay. Kubby/Karin, can you show me what acreage will get opened up by the Willow Creek Sanitary Sewer? .... Franklin/Did everybody hear the question? It is what is going to be opened up by Willow Creek. Basically what we are looking at is the South Central District in the Comp Plan. (Referred to map). About 500 acres. This project takes it up to Mormon Trek... some relief.. impact.. in the growth area here between 2 ! 8 and Riverside Drive or the river. Kubby/How many acres in that growth area that is not currently-? Franklin/500 ....approximate ....additional acreage. Lehman/How- much do we open up after we cross Hwy 1 ? .... Franklin/It is not going to do that much in terms of this Westside... some relief in terms of over here (referred to map) .....1800 acres in Westside over here ....requires another line .... Lehman/This sewer does provide for us being able to install that line .... Franklin/That is correct. Kubby/Abbey Lane is on here. Franklin/Abbey Lane I think is in the out years ....Project #320. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 38 Thomberry/Is that about the... corporate limit? Franklin/Right now, yes .... CHANGED TAPE TO REEL 98-7 SIDE 1 Lehman/That area... Fairgrounds isn't interested in a sewer ....that entire area... would not be serviced in the foreseeable future. Franklin/Not without additional lines to go in here. You have got this area right south of the airport where we looked at in the Land Use Plan... for potential industrial development. That is one of the areas that could be served there ..... Lehman/Everything on the west side of that ridge also flow this way? .... Franklin/Whatever is in this growth area which goes to 218, we can serve with this sewer. That is the main one .... Norton/...If you go to Northwest area .... Franklin/There is the ...Hawkeye Lift Station lifted into a line (referred to map). It provides some relief in some constraints that we have here right now fight now with the line along Hwy ! .... (Referred to map) ..... All the University property here... lift station... over.. Melrose .... Norton/Suppose you didn't have Willow Creek Sewer Plan and University tried to develop that comer, where would they do? Franklin/The problem would be when if all got down to here (referred to map). We have an elliptical line here .... Schmadeke/Even ... Westside Trunk... 33 inch pipe that drains into an 18 inch pipe .... As we have developed out there over the years .... We have built all those sewers to tie into this. Norton/Forced on us with the whole west side ..... Kubby/In the process we have approved the specs? .... Where are we in the process? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 39 Schmadeke/Plans and specs, we just got those in our office here this last week. We are beginning negotiations on land acquisition. Lehman/The immediate benefit is relief at the upper portion .... ability for development. Franklin/It would allow for Lake Ridge to hook onto city sewer if it comes into the city .... Allow the fairgrounds and the Schuchert property to hook on... Dane property to hook on... annexation potential within the growth area. Lehman/Immediate benefit... is on upper end... Have to do the entire project. Norton/ Fosse/Another thing that is driving this is Kiwanis Park ....Build the sewer before you build the park. Franklin/The other thing it does is in this are, where we really haven't been able to serve it for years .... It is going to increase the value of that property.. development potential... We could really see some nice things occurring there .... District Plan there right now .... {referred to map). Thomberry/I don't see ....a whole lot of problems with putting it through neighbor's yards .... Schmadeke/Up along Hwy 1 North .... creek channel and it is a real mess through there, very tight constraints .... Thomberry/From Hwy I south there shouldn't be any problems .... Kubby/In terms of First Avenue referendum .... language was to delay until 01 ? Thornberry/ Kubby/We could do this sooner .... Vanderhoef/We could do it in 00 by law. Schmadeke/02 is about the latest that we would want to install those water lines through there. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, ! 998 Council Work Session page 40 Kubby/It is good to have it in our plan .... community input can dictate us to move it up .... Court Street Extended, I know that last year we had put it up to FY98. I am thinking of that as one project that we might want to put one year later ..... Thornberry/We discussed this at length... developer .... that is why we put it up to 98. He wants to get better access to that area. I see no problem with leaving it to 98. Kubby/I am looking at .... I go back and look at where it is and what all the projects are in FY98. I want to delay something .... Maybe there is something else ....In terms of having so many projects in 98 ....looking at intensity of projects... Maxing out Engineering Department in one year .... Seems like a better plan to be more evenly paced .... Thornberry/We sort of gave our commitment to the developer ..... Kubby/....just looking at timing and things. If we ..... don't agree there is a timing problem .... What are suggestions that you have? .... Thornberry/I think staff has told us they can do the projects that are scheduled for 98. Kubby/...they have also said it maxes them out. Thornberry/ Kubby/ Vanderhoef/...carry over from 97. Norton/I would like to hear staff's comments on this .... looks very heavy in 98 .... Fosse/If you look at the Capital Program... current year is always heavier because it has those carry-overs .... maintenance issues .... tough issue .... Lehman/ .... going to be moved is the Airport Property Development .... area on north part of airport. The entire property cannot be developed until north-south runway is closed ..... cannot be closed until east-west runway is extended .... Kubby/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WSOI 1098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 41 Norton/Which ones do you regard as heavy duty 98 projects? ..... Which ones are the core projects for FY987 Fosse/Let's pass this out (Distributed: Fosse !/10 memo re: Proposed Capital Program). These are projects that we could push back some although I don't recommend that any of them be eliminated ..... Court Street Extended .... Also provided pedestrian !ink to subdivision .... Getting more and more pedestrian and running traffic along American Legion Road. Two turn lanes along by-pass corridor, those could go back a year .... get 55% funding from DOT... negotiate a funding agreement that is good for two years .... River Street reconstruction .... expectation on part of neighborhood... a lot of money maintenance-wise... getting overhead electrical underground... may take some time to work through. I would like to get that done this year .... Vanderhoef/With the neighbors be okay with moving it back a year if they thought they could get the wire underground? Fosse/ I don't think that would upset them .... Their concern is cut through traffic .... look at some of those issues. Southgate Extension and Waterfront Drive (referred to map) .... get this through and see what is does to traffic patterns down there .... Westminister Sanitary Sewer Project is in this area... problems in that neighborhood ....If that one goes back a year... Finally Willow Creek Trail... expectations ....I think there are some people concerned... Planning to re-bid this winter. If we push that back we need to make it clear that it is our intent to do it but timing may not be right for this year. Norton/How do we stand on that acquisition problem? Fosse/That is still a problem.. condominium association, 60 owners .... Vanderhoef/Can we re-submit that project for ISTEA Funds? Fosse/You bet. Vanderhoef/I would certainly encourage... getting ISTEA Funds .... Davidson/New money .... JCCOG.. would be eligible .... Norton/Commitment to that trail ..... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WSOI 1098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 42 Lehman/Acquisition question, hoping to have that resolved this spring. Fosse/We do want to resolve this one .... Council/(All talking). Kubby/When you think about new services versus maintaining, River Street seems more important to begin some maintenance there versus adding .... If there is a positive tradeoff for delaying. I am going to be talking to Gary Watts about Court Street Extended because his decision... plans may have changed .... We haven't really checked in with him lately to say is that still your plan .... Franklin/Karen, we have a pre-preliminary with Gary that we are working with on that now for that north leg of Windsor Ridge. Kubby/ Franklin/Commercial area he has got designated already... Taft Avenue and future extension of Court ..... mix density on that leg of it .... ID-RS... what we are working on is a higher zoning mix of 5, 8, 12. Vanderhoef/ ....concern with safety with people running. Fosse/That will probably remain a popular route for bicycles .....that won't go away completely. Lehman/ ....look at those turn lanes on Hwy 6 in conjunction with corridor project? Fosse/This one on west end of town is out of the scope of this corridor study. This one .... One at First Avenue and Hwy 6, we have some concern now because of how often that cues out into the through lane. We would like to reduce that exposure there. Norton/You have these turned around. It should be Hwy 6/First Ave and Hwy- Fosse/We would like to push it back at least a year and then we might know more from what comes out of the corridor study. Lehman/If we are going to do turn lane on First Avenue/Hwy 6 .... might be nice to coordinate that with whatever we do with Hwy 6... make it part of a larger project. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 43 Norton/...really bad .... Vanderhoef/ Norton/I am trying to get a bottom line.. Which possible delays are we going to buy? Are we trying to make that decision at this point? Thomberry/ ....What about Hwy I on Sunset? Lehman/It is also ....pretty dangerous .... Fosse/Your consideration here will depend on whether or not you are looking to free up some money or if you want to free up some of our inspector's time to go to another project... City Plaza .... Four of these projects that we will be inspecting in- house .... Hwy 1 and Hwy 6 turn lanes; Southgate Avenue Extended, Westminister, and Willow Creek Trail ..... Lehman/River Street inspections? Fosse/That we will be subcontracting. Kubby/We may not want to make a decision today .... Norton/ Lehman/Changing of Court Street, River Street, or Burlington Street... has nothing to do with your stalT?. Fosse/In design and administration sense, they do. In construction phase... free up an inspector ....If you are considering adding a project that we would want to inspect in-house. Lehman/ Fosse/I would want to free up an inspector for one of these four projects ....Depends on the scope of what you come up with Monday night. Lehman/ ....After you see what happens Monday night, I would like to hear back from you. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City. council meeting of January 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 44 Fosse/Okay. Champion/You have already said we can postpone the Burlington Street Bridge and River Street Reconstruction .... Council/ Fosse/ Kubby/Our decisions Monday night may dictate- Norton/At some point Rick .... identify which of those are biggies to you in terms of- When you say biggies, some of that is on design side and some of it is on inspection side, isn't it? Fosse/(Yes). Norton/Trying to get a handle on their work schedule .... Vanderhoef/ Lehman/We really would appreciate that kind of input. Kubby/Thanks, Rick. This is helpful. Thomberry/...still on Community Initiatives? Atkins/Yes. Vanderhoel7 Did we finish up on Development Opportunities? I had a question .... The Foster Road West of Dubuque to the Elks and through the Elks. How much of that is Road Use money? Yucuis/Approximately 5; 1. ! million is debt and about $ ! 70,000 is Road Use Tax monies. Vanderhoef/ .... We are looking here at basically a $1.3 million project for this road... what we get back when we sell the Peninsula .... Is this the area that we want to open up for development at this point or is there a different area that we want to open up for development? .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 45 Kubby/ ....I agree that should not be the #1 reason why we open up a whole area for development. Vanderhoef/That $1.1 million that is coming out of our General Fund is if we are only getting $700- and something from Road Use Tax. Franklin/You are assuming, too, that we are only going to get for it what we paid for it a few years ago .... Kubby/That investment of the $1.1- increases the value of the land because you have access to it now. Vanderhoef/ Yucuis/Dee .... we had spread the funding to those two projects over two years. There is another $1.1 million in 2001 from bond debt to fund that project. So it is actually $2.2 million of debt over two years plus the Road Use Tax money. Vanderhoef/Where does that show up in O1 ? Yucuis/I am looking in the budget book document .... page 12 of that CIP Plan ..... showing break up of those two projects over three years funding-wise. Norton/ Yucuis/Approximately $170,000. Norton/That doesn't sound like much. Yucuis/We have made a commitment to try to keep a balance of about $1 million .... Atkins/One of the issues ....traditionally maintained that $1 million in Road Use Tax. That is our policy ....choose... to draw that down ....It does give you the flexibility to do a project almost instantly or ...take advantage of something .... You do have the ability .... can go to that reserve. Norton/ Atkins/Anything else under Development Opportunity category? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WSOI 1098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 46 Thomberry/This Iowa River Trail on Community Initiatives is getting- Is that continually going up? Atkins/Yes, I estimated that ....It has bumped up in anticipation of some changes ..... Kubby/Mormon Trek Sidewalk I think you should take off our list so it doesn't appear in our document .... Lehman/If you include it, it kind of says we plan on doing it. I would agree, take it out. Vanderhoef/Just a minute, let's identify what we have completed or have scheduled south of Melrose. Are we totally complete with our sidewalk south of Melrose? This doesn't designate where we are talking about. ^tkins/They are nodding their heads. Yes, we do have sidewalks the whole length. Vanderhoef/It is all completed all the way down to Highway 1 ? Davidson/No, when you get down to the Korean Church area .... Vanderhoef/This one, if we move it out or take it completely off, we are only talking about north of Melrose. We can leave Mormon Trek sidewalk in and designate it the south end because we are starting to put that commercial area down there at Hwy 1/Mormon Trek intersection. That whole thing is improving .... designate it as the south end. Norton/Would that make sense without widening Mormon Trek down there? Davidson/I think.. we have tried .... sidewalk overwidth program to complete it... on east side. I think it pretty well continues all the way down. Maybe not right to the intersection .... That is going to be an area... commercial development .... Vanderhoef/That isn't the overwidth .... Davidson/I think from Plaenview up to Westside park, I think it is finished .... Kubby/ ....I don't think we need a separate project for that. Thomberry/Until that trail goes through .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WSOl 1098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session Norton/What did we ever decide about Mormon Trek widening .... ? Thomberry/We were going to wait and see what the development does. Norton/ Vanderhoef/We were going to watch to see whether we needed the !ett hand turn. Norton/I was thinking about making it four lanes all the way down. Davidson/One of your Airport Master Plan is relocation of Dane Road .... that is point... total intersection improvements .... Norton/First section there ....Doesn't it constrict at the top of the hill? Davidson/ Norton/ Franklin/We will put it in the out years (can't hear). Lehman/ .... we indicated that we were going to wait and see what sort of problems develop with the new construction .... Norton/Is it in the out years? It surely should be there. Franklin/No, but it is now .... Norton/I am talking the rest of the stretch up to ....over the hill. Davidson/You might not need to go much past Westside Park .... might be able to keep it two lanes longer than you think ..... Lehman/A matter of wait and see. O'Donnell/Coming in from Coralville, on Coralville Strip, as soon as you hit Iowa City... light... sidewalk ..... entering this deep dark hole. page 47 Norton/ ....whole comer .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WSO11098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 48 O'Donnell/It just seems that as soon as you leave Coralville... walking in the gravel. Fosse/ Norton/We left Mormon Trek .... Davidson/Mike, we have talked about that with the University... having some kind of sidewalk between Coralville and VA Hospital .... It is just one of the projects... expense .... We haven't taken the sidewalk part of it any further .... Fosse/Wooif Avenue Bridge will be designed to accommodate a sidewalk underneath it .... assuming it is going to happen later. Kubby/Might xvant to put down... even in the out years so it is a player in the conversation. Lehman/Eventually there really should be some sort of sidewalk along there .... It should be in our lists to do. Council/(All talking). Thornberry/ ....paths are there. Davidson/One thing you can do at the end of the Coralville sidewalk is get on the Finkbine trail .... Council/ O'Donnell/ ....night of a basketball game...walking across .... Thomberry/ Norton/I would think that and Mormon Trek would both be on the way out years. I don't see how you can avoid that .... I would put them both on there. Kubby/Going back to the Mormon Trek sidewalk, was there a decision? Lehman/I think we have taken it off. I would hope the southern portion.. have sidewalk installed along with development ....What else do we have on Community Initiatives? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WS011098 January 1 O, 1998 Council Work Session page 49 Thomberry/Dee Norton.. with development going in on comer of Mormon Trek and Hwy 1, should that be widened? Should we wait to see what the development does? .... Look at the development on Boyram and think should there be a turn lane on Boyram Street? .... Norton/l hadn't made that in my arterial plan ....Mormon.. clearly a four lane all the way .... Lehman/ Thomberry/ .... I know what the improvements are going to be on comer ofHwy I and Mormon Trek .... Norton/It is on the list because it has got to be done. Lehman/Back to Community Initiatives. Mormon Trek sidewalk is off. Willow Creek Trail is on that list for Rick..., after Monday night we will readdress these things. I am sure Benton Street, Ashton Park and Iowa River Trails... are connected as far as I am concerned ..... Champion/l hate to see us just keep putting off all of these trails .... Lehman/I am not suggesting that for a second .... Kubby/Hwy 6... really necessary .... That is really important .... Thomberry/I agree with you... they walk to work along that area. Lehman/I think we should give an indication to staff about high this priority is as far as council is concerned... Very high priority. Kubby/They have got is phased. I think the timing is great the way they got it. Lehman/Everybody agrees. Norton/Yes. Vanderhoef/Any conversation about our other east-west arterial .... ? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WSO11098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 50 Norton/East-West Parkway. Thomberry/ Vanderhoef/Sycamore or further south. Norton/Gilbert Street to Hwy 6, East West Parkway they call it. Vanderhoef/ Thomberry/South area .... Franklin/(Referred to map). Vanderhoef/This is a discussion I would like to have... do Gilbert Street now and still preserve this corridor coming off the Interstate. Franklin/In our long range plans... we have this corridor and the suggestion that this could come in the future (referred to map) .....This part is definitely in there as drawn. This leg is questionably... possibility. Davidson/What is in your CIP fight now are 3-4 projects.. run from Sand Road to Hwy 6. In the Arterial Street Plan is also a segment that runs from here over to this interchange (referred to map) .... Working on the South Central Plan. We have got a couple of different scenarios for dealing with that .... sensitive environmental features .... (referred to map) ..... Couple of ways of dealing with that river crossing. It is in the plan to have a fiver crossing through there ....not in your CIP. There is nothing in the CIP west of Sand Road. Vanderhoef/Okay. Are we talking about widening Hwy 6 right now and committing ourselves to putting a huge volume of traffic there for the next many years or do we talk about something that is way south ....the ring ....define boundaries of the city? Davidson/We are going to do a study within the next year...study of Hwy 6 .... using traffic analysis model to generate future traffic volumes .... Are you going to build this thing down south here or not .... ? Vanderhoef/ ....Until I have this total discussion. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 51 Thornberry/Traffic is already there. We need to do something... just to maintain the current traffic .... It is not working now. Vanderhoeff I want to talk about all of these... long range plan. I am not ready to commit to this $1 million a year... until I have that information. Norton/ ....The future of getting across the river ....seems to me so far down the road. Vanderhoef/I still want to be sure .... Council/(All talking). Lehman/Design work... Hwy 6, is that going to address any of the things that Dee is talking about? Fosse/Those will all be factors. Lehman/ ....year from now ....We will do something to Hwy 6. Norton/I don't see a southern road relieving that much .... Thornberry/ Atkins/It is very clear you have almost unanimous support for this project .... We had budgeted in the 5-Year Plan a $1 million a year for four years. Because of the fact that you have chosen to proceed with the... study early on, that pushes this out one more year. So this number should read $3 million in the Plan because you have moved it out .... CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 98-7 SIDE 2 Atkins/Excess debt .... It does not need to be spent .... Thomberry/Also what we did was said is we want this project. Atkins/The priority of the project is clearly something you want to have done. That is not at issue .... Planning and show me what the package looks like... I think you have all said that... You have pushed that out, that creates $1 million. O'Donne!l/First Avenue Extended we delayed 2 years. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January. 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 52 Atkins/First Avenue Extended is put in the CIP Plan in accordance with the referendum .... It would be back up for your consideration in the year 02 .... That you are undertaking a planning process. You could reconsider it in year 2000. For purposes of planning, it said take it out in 98 and put it back in 02. What happens in between is the planning process .... take at least two FYs to review and decide what you might do differently... staff... We talked this through extensively to make sure ~ve fulfilled the clear intent and spirit of that. Okay. Norton/ ....back in our consideration next year. Thomberry/That is xvhy we are going up with the water line on Captain Irish to the ACT line and then stopping it there. Atkins/It is in your consideration almost immediately because of the Captain Irish Parkway. One other factor... the referendum said the city would not initiate this. There are intervening property owners. ACT, Hamdoff and Glasgow could. I don't think it is likely .... It is private property .... I just want you to have a heads up there .... It is there where a developer takes the initiative. Norton/ ....may be other options out there. I am for bending Scott. Lehman/Anything more on these Community Initiatives? Kubby/I have one more thing that is in the out years ..... #343 Hazardous Waste Recycling Facility. I would like to think about moving that up ..... Atkins/Hazardous Waste Facility is also a proponent of the Public Works Project site. If you choose to do that I would incorporate that into the planning process. The basic administration building, storage and this. My reading, Chuck, is that we could accommodate that. Kubby/My rationale .... when we talk about money and water quality issues are the landfill, we are not talking volume. We are talking toxicity of things... Our community is very supportive...Annual Day costs us a certain amount of money... costs reduced by having a facility... We would get more stuff.... smaller businesses who have a hard time disposing of small quantities of things... We could help out a lot of small businesses ....I would be interested in incorporating it sooner .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City. council meeting of January. 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 53 Thomberry/How big of a facility would that have to be? Atkins/I couldn't tell you the size ....design... store them in special environments... Any kind of toxic... Davidson/We actually have a plan .... gone through a planning process... What has been holding up is the uncertainty with the funding of it because of the waste transfer facility... North Liberty .... Cedar Rapids .... Blue Stem .... a facility like this... A pole building out in their north landfill site in Linn County ....we will go up and take a look at it. Vanderhoef/...get more information on what it would cost .... of the facility and what would be cost of annually operating .... Atkins/We have done most of that. Vanderhoef/And we have that .... I could consider moving it up. Kubby/ ....things we can store pretty safely... building in a way that we can expand it when we are ready to do that .... Atkins/We will just incorporate that sketch with the work that Chuck is doing on Public Works... give you more details. Champion/I would be totally in favor .... You would not believe how much you would get in that facility if it was convenient to people to use... What do we do with this stuff?. Thomberry/ Davidson/We xvould have somebody come probably quarterly .... Same company that comes to our single day events... Most of it goes to a special landfill in Illinois .... Atkins/Connie, we have contracts currently... white goods... refrigerators ....We have specialized contracts with folks... disposed off-site. Champion/I would agree with Karen, it would be really good to move that up. Atkins/Siting one of these things... You have to be cautious about .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WS011098 January I 0, 1998 Council Work Session page 54 Norton/Is there already a presumption that we would operate this thing .... offer it to the adjacent users?... Atkins/You may want to have a discussion about that... There is a current law that says that folks that sell oil are suppose to take it back .... They don't take it back. Kubby/Johnson County residents have helped pay for our toxic waste fund ..... on part of the tipping fee .... they should be able to use it. Norton/Is there anything we should talk to the County about? Davidson/This is intended to be a landfill run program which means it is open to all of Johnson County... and Riverside. Norton/I kind of share the view that we ought to decide .... Davidson/ Vanderhoef/We may need to change the cost to the county if we build the facility .... share .... might change .... Atkins/Based on our financial position at the landfill and the numbers that I have been given, we can fund it .... We can fund it if you fund it from the landfill. Lehman/ .... Karen is suggesting that this be moved up as a part of Public Works. Is that correct? Council/(Yes). Lehman/We all agree on that .... We all agree that is a good idea. Norton/You might alert the county at our joint meeting. Lehman/I don't see this as being imminent. Davidson/(Can't hear). Atkins/ .... a couple of things that I want to get on the table with you .... On capital projects, you have made a number of minor changes .... We will proceed accordingly .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January. 10, 1998 WS011098 January !0, 1998 Council Work Session page 55 Lehman/I would like a summary of all things we have heard. Atkins/That is why they are all going to wait around afterwards .... Council/(All talking). Atkins/There were questions on the operating budget and you are going to have to find yourself some time to do that. The next scheduled budget meeting is the 29th, 6:30 .... Couple of other issues. We do need to set another date .... Citizen Summaries are now ready .... We mail one of these to every member of every board and commission that serves you .... copies are available if you want one... I want you to keep in mind for Monday night: Downtown, Gilbert Street. You have generated some borrowing capacity. Think about that .... Finally... There is a bit of good news. Thursday, Don got our Taxable Assessed Value and it is up a little bit and the General Fund is now S60,000 to the good. So what we projected... with current everything, it is $60,000 to the good .... Lehman/We may be able to... be able to schedule another meeting. I really prefer that we don't wait as long as the next scheduled meeting. I think we should get this tied Up. Norton/Let's pick a day. Kubby/ Karr/ ....Thursday, 15th ....is the only time I have seven of you in town between the 13th and 27th .... Council/(All talking) Karr/You are meeting the 12th, 13th, and 14th. Unless you extend or start earlier ....I have two council members out of town on the 17th .... Kubby/ Lehman/Wednesday .... Champion/I have a real problem with three long nights in a row. I do have another life .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 10, 1998 WS011098 January 10, 1998 Council Work Session page 56 Council/(Schedule discussion). Vanderhoef/I have to go back to Rochester on Wednesday morning. Council/(Schedule discussion). Karr/Is there a tradeoff in doing one less day but a longer day? .... Afternoon of 13th prior to your formal ..... tough two days but all seven are here... then have a break .... Kubby/1 don't think it should become a habit .... Vanderhoef/l will be here for Tuesday. Lehman/ ....Tuesday afternoon ....4:00 to 6:00 .... Council/ Lehman/Okay .... going to have just heard a lot of stuff on Monday night... Atkins/I want your operational questions .... Kubby/ ....save our group time for policy questions .... Norton/Summary to try and focus our thoughts .... Council/(All talking). Atkins/4:00, Tuesday ....two hours and break between 6:00 and 7:00 you are on your OWTI. Adjourned: 11:50. 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