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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1997-04-07 TranscriptionApril 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 1 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session 7:00 PM Council: Nov, Baker, Kubby, Lehman, Norton, Thornberry, Vanderhoef. Staff: Atkins, Helling, Woito, Karr, Fosse, Nasby, Franklin, McClure, Long, Barnes, Head, Shank, Jensen, Davidson, Dilkes, Schoon. Tapes: 97-56, all; 97-57, all; 97-58, all. Addition to the Consent Calendar 97-56 SI Nov/We have liquor license application to add to the Calendar for tomorrow. Meredith Funk/Meredith Funk and my husband, Robert Finley, and I are purchasing Golden Oldies and we would like you to add our application to the meeting for tomorrow night. Karr/Everything is in order. Yes it is. Nov/We will add if for tomorrow night. Funk/Thank you. Review Zonin~ Matters 97-56 S1 a. Consider a motion setting a public hearing for April 22 on an ordinance amending Title 14, Chapter 6, entitled "Zoning," to provide elderly housing alternatives. Franklin/Setting a p.h. for April 22 on a zoning amendment to provide elder housing alternatives. The P/Z Commission has voted on this. You should have a revised comment, Naomi, to read tomorrow night. Nov/Yes ..... b. Public hearing on an ordinance amending the Zoning Chapter by changing the use regulations on a 3.74 acre tract located on Mall Drive from Community Commercial (CC-2) to General Industrial (I-1). (REZ97-0001) Franklin/A. p.h on a rezoning of 3.74 acres ....Mall Drive... CC-2 to Industrial. This is property that is owned by Oral B ....The ownership ... changed... Owens Brush to Oral B ..... At this point, Oral B and the corporate Gillette Company wish to have this changed back to I-1 to accommodate current and future expansions of Oral B. Kubby/How do we insure... railroad... trees... buffer is then created? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 2 Franklin/When Oral B would come for future expansion which would be farther north than the existing expansion .... building permit... could institute those screening provisions. Right now, there is two things that come into play with the railroad .... elevation difference between the RR tracks and the residential property and the north as well as the trees along the RR tracks. The building is not getting any closer to the residential with the current condition... If the trees were taken down, you would still have that grade differential which would provide you with some buffer. Kubby/Is them a mechanism... trees come down, building permits have been given... responsibility .... ? Thornberry/On the permit process, can't you say that it needs to be a buffer like the Robert's Dairy thing? Franklin/ .... If all the construction takes place, after that happens, then the trees come down- Kubby/If they just choose to tear them down. Franklin/Because there is a screening requirement within the zoning, I think we could probably take some- If it comes out of compliance. How successful we would be in that, I don't know. Council/ Franklin/Originally it was I-1, then changed to CC-2, now going back to I-1. When those houses were built there, it was I-1 .... Vanderhoef/Is there any provision there for a driveway to the parking lot that... would come offof Mall Drive... four curb cuts for commercial type part of it. I wonder if any place along Mall Drive that they were going to- Franklin/There is one curb cut on Mall Drive there. At this point there is nothing north of that drive access ..... probably what would happen .... parking gradually displaced northerly as the building expands northerly .... Norton/Are there limits to the number that could be there, additional curb cuts? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 3 Franklin/We review a large site plan... would look at those curb cuts... may want to have another curb cut farther north .... Vanderhoef/ Norton/ c. Public hearing on an ordinance amending Title 14, Chapter 6, entitled "Zoning," Article N, entitled "Off-Street Parking and Loading," Section 1, entitled "Off-Street Parking Requirements," to allow existing fraternity/sorority houses to be converted to rooming houses without having to provide additional parking. Franklin/P.h. on amendment to... off-street parking requirements... to allow existing fraternity and sorority houses, those which were built prior to .... December 31, 1940, to be converted to rooming houses without having to meet the parking requirements for rooming houses .... wouldn't have to provide the differential. Right now there is a provision in the Zoning Ordinance that if you convert from one use to another .... through that conversion you need to only provide those two extra spaces .... What this ordinance is proposing is that because the parking requirement for rooming houses is greater than for fraternities and sororities, in order to preserve those older... houses .... that we allow those conversions to take place without that increment of extra parking needing to be provided .... prior to 1983 the parking requirement for rooming houses and fraternities and sororities was exactly the same. With the adoption of the new Zoning Ordinance in 1983, the Panhellenic League at the University lobbied the city council to change the parking requirements for fraternities and sororities and they were lessened, rooming houses were not ..... preserve older fraternity and sorority houses and to allow this conversion to rooming houses. We believe that the parking situation will get no worse .... may improve .... We feel that the rooming houses are going to require fewer parking spaces, practically speaking ....people who are living in rooming houses may not be able to afford a car .....We have supported this change and the P/Z Commission has supported it ..... Lehman/Why the date? Franklin/The date... originally it was conceived to just be fraternities and sororities that were 50 years old .... because the impetus behind this is to preserve these older houses in established areas .... Norton/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 4 Franklin/The issue of the 50 years, that changes over time ....effort was to preserve those big old sorority and fraternity houses. Lehman/ Franklin/It discriminates but there is a public purpose behind it ....incentives for preservation of historic buildings .... Lehman/ Kubby/ Franklin/Even if you designated them as historic buildings, if you put them on as landmarks, that does not prevent somebody from tearing the building down and putting up an apartment. What this is trying to do is provide an incentive for people to convert to rooming houses as opposed to taking the buildings down and putting up apartment buildings in there instead ..... it doesn't prevent it. Vanderhoef/ ....comment... reserve parking spaces for home owners .... Franklin/On-street residential parking on the Northside. Vanderhoeff Franklin/It was a residential parking permit system that we discussed .... that you provide permits to people who are residents of the Northside and you are much more restrictive about on-street parking for non-residents. Nov/ Norton/That is germane to the letters we got. Franklin/That system was discussed by the Northside Neighborhood Association .... no consensus was reached .... that is dealing with larger issue of on-street parking on Northside. Kubby/ Franklin/In your discussion during the Parking Study, your conclusion was you did not want to pursue that. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 5 Nov/ Kubby/ Kubby/Last discussion with the Northside on residential parking permit system? Franklin/Probably it has been about six years .... Jeff Davidson/The president of the Northside... came in as recently as last fall... We discussed it... needs to be a financing mechanism for it .... you would have to pay for a permit... density of people is so much in the Northside, that we couldn't guarantee people a place to park on the street in front of their house .... Thornberry/...parking requirements for fraternities and sororities are not adequate .... Franklin/Another way to approach this issue is to go back and look at the parking requirements for fraternities and sororities... that is your choice. Thornberry/ Franklin/I think the problem on the Northside, you couldn't relate only to the fraternities and sororities. It is a broader problem is terms of changes in use of those properties over time, the subdivision of lots and the c_onversion from s.f. to multiple uses .... a lot has been grandfathered in where it doesn't meet our current parking requirements. That coupled with its proximity to the University and the convenience of parking there for people who are coming in to use the University and walking to classes .... Thornberry/When the use changes from fraternity and sorority to something else .... wouldn't that be the time to change the Parking Ordinance for that property? Franklin/It would be, yes, that is the time when a change occurs. There is this provision that you can convert from one use to another in an existing building, then you just provide that increment of parking .... Now, if you are taking the building down and putting up a new building, you have to comply completely with the parking requirements ..... So there are some other issues there .... Nov/Even if we increase the parking requirements, apply only to new construction, that rarely happens. Thornberry/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 6 Kubby/ Franklin/... if you cannot do it physically, it means that then the rooming house is not an option and you cannot do a conversion and it means the building is torn down and replaced with a new building. Nov/Wasn't there a conversion of some sort .... River City Housing .... Kubby/Corner of Summit and College .... Nov/On Dubuque Street also .... Kubby/River City Housing has been renting that for four years .... Nov/Was there any change in parking requirements for either of those? Kubby/ Franklin/I don't recall that being an issue. Nov/Summit Street .... Franklin/It is back in behind... duplex was with the sorority, with the rooming house at the time of that conversion... There is a parking lot there offof the alley between Court and Burlington... College and Burlington. Norton/ ....may have to consider some other kind of surface parking up there ..... Franklin/What you are hearing about is a general problem in the Northside with parking that has been going on for years ..... question whether this particular provision is going to exacerbate that problem. Our position is that it probably won't exacerbate Nov/They are not as likely to have two people in a room as they do in fraternities. Franklin/Yes, that is another factor. Vanderhoef/...depends on the particular house ..... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 7 Kubby/River House... Dubuque Street... bigger rooms... pay a premium for bigger rooms .... Nov/I would like to make a small change in the ordinance where we are dealing with item c. and it says, "Provided that the use is not expanded to provide more floor area, more sleeping rooms or higher occupancy." I would like to insert after floor area, "or remodeled to provide more sleeping rooms" ..... If we could print that for tomorrow and have it for the p.h., I would appreciate it. Franklin/Okay .... d. Consider an ordinance vacating the portion of the alley located south of Lot 2 of the A.E. Strohm Addition, generally located south of Bowery Street between Governor and Lucas Streets. (VAC97-0001) (First consideration) Franklin/First consideration on the vacation of the alley off of Bowery ..... e. Consider an ordinance amending Title 14, Chapter 6, entitled "Zoning," City Code, by revising Article N, entitled Off-Street Parking and Loading," to change the required number of off-street parking spaces for commercial uses in the CB-5 zone. (First consideration) Franklin/First consideration on eliminating the Commercial Parking Requirements in CB- 5. Kubby/Back on d. Can we give a quiet nod to a homemade barricade? Norton/ Kubby/Maybe that is all that needs to be said. Nov/I can't see any good reason why the neighbors couldn't construct something. Thornberry/It needs to be about halfway decent. Franklin/Rick would like to say something. Fosse/I will be quick. One of the residents was on today and we talked about putting in a couple offence post type signs... with a diamond signs on them... seemed real happy with that. Kubby/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 8 Fosse/And if they want to put a fence behind that, they could do that, too. Kubby/Okay, thanks. f. Consider an ordinance amending Title 14, "Unified Development Code" of the City Code by amending Chapter 9, Article A, entitled "Parking Facility Impact Fee" to exclude commercial development. (First consideration) Franklin/First consideration of rescinding the Commercial Development Parking Impact Fee in the Near Southside. Baker/... I thought we agreed that in conjunction with this, we would looking at an increase in the residential impact fee .... Franklin/It is on your pending list... ready to go whenever there is an agenda that can handle it. It has been on the agenda twice and we have bumped it twice. Norton/ Franklin/It has just been a matter of time, Larry. Do you want to hold the third reading of this until that is before you? Thornberry/I don't think one is a prerequisite of the other. I think this was one issue .... Nov/...It was certainly talked about in conjunction with. Thornberry/ Baker/I will say it was for me. By the third consideration, I personally would like for us to have looked at that and considered that .... Kubby/I think we should accommodate .... allows them to support it depending on what we do with it. Nov/Can we do it for the third reading four weeks from now? Franklin/We can do it for the 21 st? Nov/Okay ..... Franklin/Okay, we will just move right along here, then. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 9 g. Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Chapter by conditionally changing the use regulations of approximately 140.5 acres of property located on the east side of Scott Boulevard, north of Highway 6, from County M1, Light Industrial, to CI-1, Intensive Commercial (38.93 acres), and I-1, General Industrial (101.57 acres). (REZ96-0021) (Second consideration) Franklin/Second consideration the rezoning for the Scott-Six Industrial Park. h. Consider a resolution approving the extraterritorial preliminary plat of Williams Woods Subdivision, a 23.00 acre, 4-lot residential subdivision located in Johnson County on the north side of Highway 1 West, approximately one mile west of Sharon Center Road. (SUB97-0004) Franklin/A new item. Resolution on the preliminary plat for Williams Woods Subdivision... county, 23 acres, four-lot residential subdivision off of Highway 1. One issue was raised at the P/Z Commission regarding sight distance and the DOT has checked the sight distance and there is not a problem with the sight distance for this one access point on Highway 1. Vanderhoef/... 965 down there .... I looked at my map. Norton/Depends on where 965 goes. Vanderhoef/That is exactly right and this is a concern. Franklin/I know we checked this out. Vanderhoef/...sort of comes down right through there. Davidson/I remember looking at it ..... We looked at it and it missed it. I remember that. Franklin/This goes right through one of these houses, Dee. Council/ Franklin/I know we checked it. Norton/Where do you think it goes? Franklin/...this map that I have ....We will have it for you tomorrow night. Kubby/I had two P/Z issues I wanted to ask about .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 10 Franklin/I have one more that is a work program item. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797. April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 11 Transient Housing, 97-56 S1 Franklin/You had a memo from Bob in your packet regarding a Code Amendment for Transient Housing and I think that his materials pretty well explain the issue and what is being suggested is that it be put in after the provision relating to neighborhood compatibility for multi-family buildings. That we work on that first. Which means that this amendment will land somewhere near the end of this FY because we are in April now. Nov/(Can't hear). Franklin/It is the timing on Transient Housing. Right now we have got it at ten days. I assume that at the time, because establishing Transient Housing as a use was a bit controversial at the time that it was- Thornberry/ Norton/They are averaging 30 days .... Thornberry/Transient Housing is for people in transit. Kubby/It takes more than ten days. Franklin/What it may be is that we call DVIP or create another category for DVIP. We are going to have to check with Emergency Housing Project and see how long people are staying there ..... The question is do you wish to consider this? The Commission is requesting that it be put on the work program and we will have to look at all of these issues that are related to this when we do the evaluation. So we don't need to discuss those tonight .....It is recommended by staff and P/Z Commission to do so. Council/(Yes). Franklin/Okay, there is four to do. Norton/Does it only go to P/Z? ..... Franklin/... zoning issues. Norton/But the considerations are other than that. Franklin/P/Z will look at it broadly in terms of the benefit .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 12 Baker/Just seems to me... more complicated than what I thought it was .... #6 ... this could be done pretty expeditiously as opposed to #5. Franklin/I would advise you against bumping #5 because I believe that we are going to have circumstances soon where we want to have something. Kubby/And there will be no enforcement while something is pending in terms of the shelters? Franklin/That is correct ....The only urgency is DVIP wants to get into the transitional housing aspect of it ..... Vanderhoef/What do you anticipate the time span to do that project? Franklin/I think we probably not get started on it until June .... We do things concurrently. We have to wind up #1 - 4 ..... to the P/Z Commission... first meeting in May. Then we have done some of the research on #5 the Neighborhood Compatibility issue. That is going to take quite a bit of work... Probably won't even get started on #6 until June. Vanderhoef/ Franklin/It takes three months to do an ordinance... to go through the process. To get it to you, it is probably going to be late summer. Nov/When you get to that one, would you also think about putting SRO on that same zoning ordinance. Is it possible that that is acceptable as well as transient housing? Kubby/But there is no ten day .... Nov/Is it allowed within this zone? Franklin/Whether you could have a rooming house in a CI-1 zone? Okay. Nov/Is there an advantage in allowing it in this kind of zone? Franklin/I am not sure that you can't now but I would have to look it up. Okay, Karen, did you have something else? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 13 Kubby/I just wondered about the application by Jim Glasgow for the Sensitive Areas Overlay. Is that-have they withdrawn their application for this? Franklin/No, they have deferred it to the 17th. They need to re-design it so that it does not encroach on anyone else's property and we are going to be having a staff meeting about it tomorrow. Kubby/Thank you. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 14 First Avenue Extension - ACT/Press Citizen 97-56 SI Arkins/You should have received a letter in your packet from the Press Citizen. I asked that this item be placed on the agenda for confirmation of what your wishes are, Jeff... two minute history of the thing. Bottom line is that we felt you established a policy position with respect to where that road was going to be. We need to proceed with construction of a water line, The letter that came in expresses reservations about that. Representatives from the Press Citizen are in the audience .....We need to confirm your decision or change your decision as you see fit. Davidson/Are there any questions? .... significant thing that changed... Last fall... we were planning for the extension of the water line... wanted to know where the street would go... water line in r.o.w. of the street. In your budget discussions, this late winter, you did accelerate the project to build a road as well. So we do need to progress a little more quickly now because we are not only planning the water line extension but we are planning to design the street this summer, acquire property this fall, let the project in the winter and begin building it in the spring .... It is a project we need to get going on first thing during next construction season... We do need some decision .... Nov/We need a map with property lines on it. Davidson/I believe I have that. (Uses Overhead Projector). We originally came to you with three alternative alignments and I have all three here .... majority of council... called C-plus alignment ....(refers to map) The dark line... C alignment. A majority of council was in favor of ....c-plus alignment .....Trying to come down along this alignment... Larsons own both sides of that ....close to line ....You will recall... come up with... This curve was a little bit tight ....(refers to map)... received a preliminary concurrence from ACT that this is okay, as well as the Larsons ..... Nov/I don't remember changing the spot where the street intersects with Highway 1 .... Davidson/At one time we did consider moving this intersection down .... That kind of changed... the DOT gave us permission to hit this intersection at a slight skew .... Kubby/ Thornberry/Is there any property... DOT property or any property that does not belong to either the Press Citizen, the Gatens, or the Larsons? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 15 Davidson/(Refers to map). This triangle right here... DOT r.o.w .....portion of this corner here ..... Thornberry/Why couldn't we put the intersection directly across from Dubuque Road which would be the DOT property? Davidson/We do have it directly across from Dubuque Road right now, Dean. Thornberry/(Refers to map). Davidson/ Thomberry/That would lessen the middle comer that we would be taking from the Press Citizen. Davidson/Yes, you could come up more north and south here ..... It would cause us to need to bring this curve down ....more ....We would also need to realign the road in this direction. Norton/...then you would intersect Dubuque Road at more a right angle? Davidson/(Refers to map). Norton/ Nov/ Davidson/This will all be reconstructed. This is now going to be ACT's major entrance in and out .... All the rest of their parking area will exit this direction. We want to have a new intersection here with a 90 degree geometry to it .... Norton/Even if you moved the road over a bit... still cross Dubuque Road at a more right angle as well. Davidson/I presume we would still hit Highway 1 at some kind of a skew. The question is can we re-align the design so it comes up through here, yes ..... It will affect the curve down here .... Both Larson and ACT would be impacted by that ...... Thornberry/ Davidson/(Refers to map). This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 16 Kubby/Aren't there some topographical differences right there? ..... Davidson/The top of the hill ....right through here .....(Refers to map) .....Big ravine right through here. Nov/When you go back to the c-plus .... Press Citizen... triangle... Davidson/Press Citizen is here .... Nov/The triangle between the edge of the road and the Gatens' property line. Jim McCarrigher/I am here on behalf of the Press Citizen. I think we have several concerns .... We are concerned that this area here and this area in here would end up being un-economic remnants ........ We like the proposal going a long down this way... History... best route... straight... through here ..... You can't do that... alternative... A, b, c ..... A cut through corner of Gatens' barn ..... condemn property... utilization costs .... You want to have less impact. Find some alternative that would have the least amount of impact on the land itself. Again, staying on top of the hill.. is where you want to be ..... We thought the alternative should also take into account the utilization of non-private owned property .... Find an alternative that would minimize un-economic remnants .... The Press Citizen ends up with two processes. Little one here and this one down here (refers to map) that are both going to be uneconomic remnants ..... If the optimum, less expensive, best development road cannot be undertaken .... then the alternative should .... also take into consideration, to fairly and equitably place the burden on all of the landowners equitably .... (Refers to map) ..... equitably distribute the burden on the landowners that would be affected by the road. Nov/How big is that triangle that I asked about at the beginning of this? The lower one? I want to understand why is not the lower one not usable? Davidson/The Gatens' tract is about 12 acres. So that looks to be like it is probably an acre or less. Nov/It looks like an acre. Why could it not be usable? Davidson/The research development park zoning in this area... that very well could be a parcel that is too small under that zoning to use. Nov/It could be used for a house, however. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 17 Thornberry/...talk about keeping it up as far as possible and using the DOT land .... Nov/Let me finish. I thought Gatens was talking about residential development. Davidson/That is correct. Nov/So... wouldn't that piece be also usable as residential development? Davidson/This piece is not currently owned by the Gatens. Nov/I know .... it could have a house on it. Davidson/ CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 97-56 SIDE 2 Davidson/RS-5 zone if that is what is determined to be the appropriate zoning for that parcel. Nov/I am just trying to find out is that is entirely unusable. Thomberry/ Davidson/I don't think we for sure know the answer to that question .... Norton/I was not fully aware of that DOT triangle... (refers to map) .... Kubby/Even on Larsons's property... their plans for ownership for their kids .... Davidson/The Larsons have indicated to us that they wanted us to come as close to that line (refers to map) as possible. We have gone below that already .... McCarrigher/If you are dividing into thirds, if you were to get closer to the middle of that second section, you would have less impact .... allow both parcels on either side to be more developable than if you stand along the edge there ..... If they are trying to divide it into three tracts .... Kubby/... Is that their desire, thirds? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 18 Lehman/If we were align that road adjacent to the Gatens' property line, how far down would that road have to drop? Davidson/... It would be further south than what it is now. Lehman/Would we at the same time create another undevelopable lot for the Press Citizen property? .... there would be space between the road and the Larsons. Davidson/...Chuck, do you have any idea? Chuck Wanninger/There is nothing back there. Kubby/Do we solve one remnant property and create another one? Wanninger/I don't know. The idea of coming down on that DOT land and coming along the existing property line, what is back there in the back, I am not sure whether it is developable or not. As you know, there are ravines .... I am not sure how developable it is but I know this alignment takes a pretty good chunk out of what is a pretty viable piece of property. Vanderhoef/How close is the Press Citizen building to where this road is coming? If the road is moved over, would you have a developable strip that would be on what would be the south side of this new road? .... Wanninger/I would think that if the road came down the property line, that that area where you now have the roads penciled in, I would think that would be developable. Vanderhoef/Because you have plenty of space ..... Wanninger/(Refers to map) ..... Norton/We walked down that property line .... actual contour of the land has something to say about where you go .... Nov/Pretty hilly there ..... Kubby/At the time that we agreed on the c-plus I thought that it kind of distributed the burden among some property owners ..... to try to reduce the burden as much as possible. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 19 Lehman/This property to the left side of the proposal line. If we were to move that line (refers to map)... may be suitable for development... How about curb cuts onto First Avenue? Davidson/As an arterial street, if there was a parcel of property here that was determined to be developable, there would be at least one, possibly more, curb cuts granted dependent on what was eventually was there ..... unlikely that we would want any access off of the highway...ravine prohibits anything coming in from this area here. Lehman/ Davidson/We would want to have it either directly opposite Dubuque Road .... Pull it back as far as possible from the signalized intersection. Norton/I have a question about in behind Larsons's place ..... there was some desirability, from his point of view, not to have the road kind of pushed away from the back of his property .... Davidson/I have had probably 20 discussions with Jeff and Michelle about this and I can assure you that the closer that we can get to this line, the better for them ....The further we deviate from that line, the less they are going to like it. Nov/If you go south of that line, you are off of that property, they will no longer care. Somebody else will. Davidson/Their property goes all the way down to Bruce Glasgow's property (refers to map). Thornberry/ Davidson/(Refers to map). Thornberry/(Refers to map) Where it says Press Citizen, there is one heck of a gully .... deep ravine .... I don't know how that property would be developable... Is there room to develop anything between the road and the gully? Nov/Probably not. Lehman/If that is the case- This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 20 Kubby/Might be more valuable for them to sale it to the Gatens as very usable property with the current alignment. Thornberry/ Wanninger-McCarrigher/If you went into the ravine, we are not quite certain whether that would be developable behind it .... The other point that was made is the road goes along the Gatens/Press Citizen boundary... it would then right angle over to Dubuque Road better .... then you would be using existing roadway .... (refers to' map). Norton/ Nov/The very serious concern is to right angle onto Highway 1 ..... Norton/Move it a little bit... very little bit might help .... Thornberry/ Davidson/The question here- A number of things we don't have absolute answers for. Will this result in a developable parcel? We don't know for sure and that would probably have to go through some type of a sensitive area site plan to be completely discussed and know the answer to that. Is there a majority of you that would like us to reconsider this issue? .... Norton/I would like to shave the top part over a little bit. Davidson/Okay, bring this over this way (refers to map). Lehman/...if by moving that closer to Gaten's property line, you still do not have developable property on the Press Citizen. It would seem to me from their vantage point, taking that little triangle, selling it to Gatens .... Wanninger/If you put the road to the right, I think there is enough land to the left that would be developable... between the road and the ravine. Norton/I would take a look at it. Davidson/We don't want to move this any further down hill or you will be in the drainage way and you don't want to be in there. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 21 Kubby/We also look at what the cost of building there will be ..... Thornberry/ Nov/They want it more uphill. Davidson/We will investigate moving it as far to the right as we can but I can tell you... that will cause us to need to flatten this curve out so we have a safe road ....taking a corner as well .... Council/ Davidson/Let Chuck and I take a look at that... We are going to come back to you in a hurry with this .... Nov/Jeff is going to revise a little bit, he is going to comeback to us and we are going to say let's make everybody equally unhappy because that is the way to compromise. Kubby/I don't know that that is a good philosophy. Council/(All talking). Thornberry/C-plus is as clear as any .... If the Press Citizen has to sell a little bit to the Gatens or- It can't be right directly on the property line .... Davidson/Are there four to re-consider? Lehman/I don't want to see a whole lot of time and effort going into this ....take a superficial look into this .... Davidson/And you want us to try and not move this (refers to map). Part of the criteria Chuck and I have is not to move this any further south? Remember, we got it about down here now. And the Larsons and ACT have said tentative okay. Leave that and possibly bring it a little closer here and try and get as close to this as we can. That is what we will look at. Okay, we will come back to you maybe next work session. Nog AllrigN .... Thornberry/What radius do you have to have for that corner? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 22 Davidson/I don't know exactly what the numb,er is... 35 m.p.h. speed... similar to design for Rohret Road .... Scott .... Thornberry/ Davidson/We have got this as tight as we can .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 23 Shamrock/Friendshio Creek Channel Imorovement Proiect 97-56 S2 Fosse/ Atkins/Rick, while he is setting up, can you give the council a two minute- enclosed channel... half million dollars .....And then we had varying open channel ....prices vary ..... Fosse/This is simply the lower end of that scale .... Atkins/This is the lower end of that scale. This is what you are looking at. Nov/And this is all private property? Correct? Fosse/Correct. Jeff McClure/What you see in front of you is an option that has made everybody equally unhappy ..... Had some meetings... designs... provide maximum flood protection .... sizable channel... served a purpose of maximizing flood protection in this area .... There are still many concerns with this project ..... We are not going to be able to make everybody happy .... something that we thought .... Two ends of the spectrum, a buried pipe and a do nothing ..... Something that kind of fit in the middle .... make a little less impact on the trees and the yards... lower costs and this is what we came up with. In your council packets you have some color diagrams... This is what the channel will look like for the majority of the project .... We have narrowed up the channel a little bit. The pipe option was not considered because with the pipe it is either go all the way or don't do it at all .... go with an open channel .... We didn't carry it all the way up to the north end because... the north end is very heavily wooded and to do any kind of improvements .... trees... (refers to map) ..... The channel is about 12 feet wide, 3 feet deep .... and sides that slope up at a 1 1/2 to 1 ..... We would keep it consistent... follow the path of least resistance .... keep it depth that is uniform... follow one grade, one slope... (refers to map)... drop in elevation down to opening in the culvert .... deeper, you have to take the sides up further ....11 foot channel bottom here to get it into the pipe ....very uniform depth and width .... Norton/ Vanderhoef/Within the banks itself... how deep could the water be and still be in the banks? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 24 McClure/When we choose something that has less of an impact and doesn't provide as much flood protection, we got with a design that doesn't handle as much water. This will handle a five year storm .... The creek cross section .... will handle a five year storm... This portion... will handle a greater amount of water ..... a culvert that has a grate... capability of getting plugged .... debris... No matter what size we make this channel, as long as it is an open channel... grate... potential for the grate to plug up. Kubby/... in parts of the channel... it can't handle but a gallon of water... to do this project, it is still only five year protection .... That is incredible. McClure/ ....right now it is not even a year protection .... Kubby! Vanderhoef/It will continue to erode .... McClure/With this option ....a gabion basket... rock filled... that should control the erosion .... Vanderhoef/Every five years, we are going to have an erosion problem .... McClure/...It shouldn't wash anymore away .... putting improvements in here... Shouldn't have any erosions in the backyards when we are done with this. Thornberry/...When this is full and not out of its banks,.. then down to the grate... full but not out of its banks... This is full .... how deep is it? McClure/6 to 9 feet ....Right now ....That thing is 6 feet high .... Norton/One of the things that I am having difficulty with is channelizing this thing ....It is not going to retain its charm .... Kubby/ Norton/It is going to have relatively little charm ....It does have some charm now .... McClure/We don't do a lot of studying on charm in engineering .... I definitely don't have an opinion on the charm aspect of it. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 25 Fosse/(Refers to map) .... biggest deviation right in here... sort of mimics the existing route. One of the reason for keeping the velocities higher through here is to keep those sediments suspended .... keep that moving on through .... Nov/Based on fact that upstream is going to continue some kind of depositing here .... what do you recommend? Fosse/Let's address the erosion problem upstream first. The majority of the water shed is now developed. During the development process you can expect a sediment runoff rate of about 35 tons per acre per year. After it is developed, that drops to about 1.5 tons per acre per year .... Now we have Julie Tallman whose aim is specifically anti-erosion control issues. That should improve the runoff from the remaining area .... I hope that if we go with this channel option, it should be less prone to sedimentation. Thornberry/Could you put some kind of a grate or crud protector? .... Lehman/Then you have a bunch of them plugging up. Fosse/What we have .... accessibility ..... Kubby/These are easy access from the road where someone can come and check this. Fosse/...put in some of those pavers just below the grass surface... put a dift~rent grate on here that is less prone .... Thornberry/What do the neighbors want? Council/ Thornberry/Is there a consensus? McClure/No .... There is different levels of flood protection we can provide ....we can come up with different types of channels ....and degree of siltation ....esthetics ....If you want maximum flood protection... a buried pipe .... It is hit and miss all the way up ..... There is really no consistency in it .... ! want to represent everybody fairly .... There are strong feelings either way .... There is a consensus that says clean out the culvert, do something up to this point (refers to map), then from here, do a little bit or don't do much. Thornberry/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 26 McClure/ Norton/ McClure/(Refers to map). Nov/Tell us about this culvert that costs $24,000 to clean. Why is it so expensive? McClure/It is about 400 feet long .... We went off an estimate... We did a correlation... We really have not way of estimating how much that would cost... Based upon work that was done in the past on a smaller culvert ..... Nov/ McClure/The reason it is so full of rocks is back in 1984 when they did the channel improvements up to this point (refers to map) ..... they came up with a cross section, instead of putting rocks in a wire basket, they just lined the channel with it .... velocities .... rocks got washed through the grate and then the velocities slowed down in the pipe and that is where all the rock accumulated. Kubby/It is possible to coordinate cleaning this out so it can be part of the gabions? Fosse/We do it all of the time... I don't know. There is a'lot of sand and dirt mixed in with it .... McClure/... There is a consensus that some people would like the .... improvement... on the property line .... Trying to let you know the feeling I am getting from this. Vanderhoef/Tell me about the connect-ons from the individual yards. And what kind of costs... Are we asking for assistance from the property owner? McClure/What we don't want to do... people just don't like other people messing with their property ..... Coming up with less impact .... we don't want to come up .... What we propose is stud in some tile that would outlet into the creek and stub it, end it, and put a cap on it just pass this creek .... Fosse/It would be something that would be very difficult for them to do later ....allow them to connect into. Vanderhoef/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 27 Fosse/ McClure/That way we don't get into tearing up someone's yard .... keeps the cost down again .... Vanderhoef/ McClure/ (Refers to map) .... drop the pipe in as low as we can get it .... take grass up 4% .... Only water that is really running through here is the water that is falling on their lots. Fosse/ Norton/That connector in from Friendship Street .... putting an angle in .....If the tree comes out, do you still have to cut the angle? McClure/... We have had some feedback from property owners in that area, just one .... He prefers that the tree be removed and the pipe not angled .... Kubby/Is it possible to do a project as proposed up to a certain point with the gabion baskets and then do something that is less severe? ..... Even with plantings it is still very different... I want to use the appropriate tool for the appropriate place ....then maybe doing something sorer further down .... McClure/It all depends on what we are trying to accomplish. There is 101 different ways we can handle this. The gabions will guarantee that the stream will remain in that direction for a longer period of time .... Nov/Don't you think... fill in the area ....gabions... don't put it all the way up. McClure/Everything has the option of silting in. It is just at the rate in which it will silt in .... Gabions it is not going to collect as fast .... Norton/What grows up through the gabions? McClure/Weeds. Fosse/Probably will need to maintain it with one of those rotary weed-wackers .... McClure/It is not very conductive for growing ..... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 28 Kubby/ Fosse/...soil source ..... Kubby/ Fosse/ McClure/... You can plant things on a gabion .... could have plants on top of it .... all depends on what you are trying to accomplish. Norton/Would it be nice... storm sewer that empties into it... catch the sand up there .... Fosse/One of the ways to do that is with a sediment basin .... Those have varying degrees of success... got to be relatively deep... Worried about kids getting in it ....always water setting in it... stinky .... Norton/Put a sieve up there ....at the top .... Thornberry/Keep that as clear as possible... as mellow as possible .... Norton/Charming. Thornberry/ ....you don't want a channel in your backyard ..... Kubby/Maybe we need to go back to what is our purpose here... agree on that. Thornberry/We want to move the water along without flooding and making it look- Nov/ Fosse/Our first purpose is to maintain what exists .... 2- To address the concerns of the folks living along here ....flood control... habitat in the corridor... charming in the corridor .... Nov/ Lehman/Rick, is the biggest problem down here at the south end? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 29 Fosse/At the very minimum that needs to happen is to clean this culvert out, put a grate on .... We need to provide improved access fbr getting our equipment to this .... control this erosion around the corner. Lehman/What would happen if we did just that? .... Fosse/(Refers to map). I would also recommend as a minimum getting that willow .... This would continue to behave much the same as it does .... Thornberry/ Fosse/(Refers to map). This will be less prone to blockage ....hopefully it will be easier for us to get at .... Norton/What is the matter with going at it incrementally? To work on the south end first? Kubby/We are doing it incrementally .... My goal is not to have zero flooding down here .... I am interested in reducing the number of flooding events .... I am not interested at this point in doing the gabions all the way down .... I think we need to do something .... We weren't being responsible about soil erosion control in our ordinances. So we helped create some of the problem down there .... Thronberry/If we did that down there and took the tree out, is there anything that we could do to catch that silt up here before it gets into this channel? Fosse/I would like to research that. Thornberry/ Fosse/You catch some by slowing the velocity .... To do that we need to provide some area there. Lehman/ Fosse/I have seen some good technology for doing that on very small watersheds but I have not seen the technology on a watershed this size. Norton/Do something on the south end and do as little as possible above there .... Nov/If there is a water way on private property .... it is not quite the responsibility of the entire city to fix it and I still hesitate about all of this expense. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 30 Lehman/I don't hesitate on the south end .... Thornberry/ Nov/ Thornberry/But if we took out the tree .... research the silt sediment basin ..... Kubby/...do the gabions here (refers to map) to remove the tree there. What kind of improvement in terms of frequency of flood events? CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 97-57 SIDE 1 McClure/(Refers to map). Kubby/This is where the more intense damage is taking place ..... McClure/ Fosse/We can do it late summer when it is dry. Baker/So we would be seeing a change immediately thereafter? Fosse/Depends on the weather. McClure/ ..... Mr. Arents .... whose responsibility... that culvert did not use to be there... water use to flow... without any constrictions .... Baker/We have agreed that this work is going to be done. McClure/It is the pipe that curves that is constricting it that is... causing the back-up of water .... inlet control .... I think that what happens here in this backyard .... basin .... Nov/Cleaning the pipe would be your first priority. Thornberry/ Fosse/The grates and then controlling erosion .... Thornberry/How far does this back up... to 3304? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 31 McClure/I have a drawing... The water starts coming out right about here (refers to map) ..... Nov/If the cleaning out is done and the gabions are done ....how wide a grate do you need? Fosse/The openings down there... close to a foot .... Keep some of this stuff from lodging... weeding out the really big things .... McClure/This inlet kind of goes hand and hand .... with open channel .... to really put in some effort .... pressure .... for people to not dump their yard waste in the creek and that is a big problem .... Fosse/The trick is tracking it back up stream after an event .... Council/ Fosse/The grass clippings ....are what really seals it off.... makes a tight seal .... Thornberry/ Kubby/When there is a water event... Fosse/The check these during off peak times .... We have a list of about 13 hot spots. Lehman/They are very very good at that. Fosse/ ....this is probably the farthest one from the road that we have. Kubby/What are people thinking about? .... Nov/Yeah .... Fosse/Okay, take it around the bend and the tree ..... Lehman/ Kubby/Can you bring back to us as to what kind of flood protection that decision would offer and then we can finalize our decision? .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 - April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 32 Fosse/The upstream portions will continue to go over bank at the same frequency they do now and as far as assigning culvert plugging to a specific frequency of storm, you can't do that. It is more of a random event .... McClure/You would prefer that we work it out with the property owners on centering on the property lines, who is willing to give up trees .... Council/ Thornberry/Do look into what kind of a silt thing. Nov/We need a break. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 33 Animal Control Ordinance 97-57 S1 Baker/Before we start, I am going to ask if there are four people on the council who would like to postpone the Animal Control Ordinance .... Nov/There is no sense of urgency on that, true. Baker/ ..... Nov/What about Human Rights? Karr/You have a p.h. tomorrow. Nov/Let's take out Animal Control and put it another day. Sorry, Misha. Baker/We won't get to it until 11:00 PM. Nov/The other things are going to take a long time. I had questions. Can I come and talk to you? Misha Goodman/I will be gone until the 29th of April. April 12 through 29th .... Nov/We are asking about postponing discussion of Animal Control ordinance. Kubby/Postpone it until Misha gets back .... Nov/Put it on, the p.h., for first meeting in May. Karr/Set a p.h. on April 22 for May 6 on the proposal that is presented? Nov/I am asking Misha if she wants to do it that way. Goodman/Fine with me. Atkins/We thought you wanted to spend some time with Misha. She worked on that committee for 3-4 months to put this thing together. Norton/We need to talk it over before we put in on a p.h. Goodman/There are a few mis-types .... Kubby/Put it on the informal May 5 to do what we were going to do tonight .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 34 Nov/I would like to at least set the p.h .....I would like May 6 agenda to say we are setting a p.h .... Kubby/ Karr/Work session on May 5 to discuss only and setting p.h. on... May 6 for 20th. Norton/What is last date for corrections? Karr/To publish for the p.h.? Nov/Matter of copies to be handed out .... Karr/The public can ask for this. Woito/You can make changes after the p.h. Kubby/ ....I want to give people a chance to read the ordinance we want them to comment on. Norton/...decent copy... we agree on the 5th. Karr/ Nov/I would like to have it on the 20th. Norton/Set it on the 6th. Woito/For the 20th. Atkins/Work session on the 5th, p.h. on 20th. Goodman/I leave on the 12th ..... I would like to hear what the comments are. Atkins/Works session the 5th, p.h. the 20th. Don't leave. We have plans and specs tomorrow night for the shelter project. Any questions for Misha? Thomberry/Are you happy with those plans? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 35 Goodman/I heard a rumor on the amount of money. That it was quite a bit lower from the proposal.i.. Council/ Baker/On the informal session, have this early on the agenda. Atkins/We will do out best ....Your desire is to have it early in the agenda? Kubby/ Atkins/Your desire is to have it early in the agenda. Nov/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 36 Extensions of Oakdale Boulevard Between First Avenue Coralville and County W66 (Dubuque Street} 97-57 S1 Davidson/What is under consideration is a joint agreement between Iowa City, Coralville, and Johnson County to preserve a corridor for the extension of Oakdale Blvd. (refers to map) .... We did an alignment study of where this road should be placed .... I will be attending the Johnson County Board of Supervisors meeting tomorrow morning and Coralville City Council work session tomorrow night. Coralville specifically asked to meet after you had considered it .... A study has been completed .... looked at social factors, natural features, environmental features of the area, engineering factors, traffic service and construction costs as well as ..... the eventual extension across Prairie du Chien Road. It is not in the street plan right now .... The consultant recommendation is alignment S or C (refers to map) as being the recommended alternative... Coralville and County people have agreed that is an acceptable alignment .... Coralville asked... preserving S2C Alignment ..... Dovetail Estates .... Agreement... dividing line. This area is in the corporate limits of Coralville right now (refers to map). This area is in the unincorporated county. This part will eventually be Coralville and this part will eventually be Iowa City. (Refers to map)... of the eastern 2/3, the western part will eventually be Coralville and the eastern part will be eventually Iowa City. That is an existing agreement between the two communities. Council/(Refers to map). Lehman/Assuming 4C will be adopted at some point, involved construction of two bridges? Davidson/ One long bridge ....consultant has put in there the largest possible bridge that would be needed ....it may be possible to reduce the expense of that... and design the specific bridge ....The bridge would essentially span... the Muddy Creek flood plain area .... (refers to map) .... joint project... What I think you will see (refers to map)... this property is going to need that for secondary access to Dovetail Estates Subdivision, Beyond that... in Iowa City portion... nothing in CIP to do anything with that .... Nov/ Davidson/It was suggested that possibly we would also want to preserve this alignment .... in future, both could be considered (refers to map) ....Simply to preserve for future decision making, we preserve both. Thornberry/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 37 Davidson/(Refers to map) .... looking at this ravine and subdivision over here. Kubby/It is a lot to ask to preserve both corridors. Nov/There isn't any urgency for development there... mostly flooded area. Davidson/Thought .... very east end and very west end they are the same. This middle part is where you are into an extensive wetland area and probably there is not going to be a subdivision plopped into the middle to that wetland. The thought was to preserve both of the, nothing else is probably going to happen to it. Norton/ Davidson/The only thing that would happen in the short term is the Dovetail Estates property owner and he has indicated that this corner of his property is not anything that he has got any short term plans for. Baker/ Davidson/What it does is in the short term before we actually acquire property to build it, the county is party to this agreement and because this is in the unincorporated part of the county, when they would receive a development project .... commercial development... The county would take our 100 r.o.w. and make sure it was preserved .... The county would do that .... Baker/But it doesn't obligate us to a specific time table? Davidson/No, the agreement will specifically say it does not obligate anybody. Norton/ Davidson/ Vanderhoef/Would you show me where the potential city line would be? .... Davidson/(Refers to map)... the Two Mile Fringe Limit goes out farther. Franklin/Part of this line has to do with the fact that the two mile jurisdictions of Coralville and Iowa City at this point overlap and we have established a line here then that is kind of equal distance for both cities ..... Even though we have an This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 38 annexation agreement that we can annex to that point, it doesn't mean that we will. Vanderhoef/It still seems to me that if we were going to preserve... choice... one of the southerly ones and one of the northerly. Davidson/The northerly route the consultant did not even want to have as one of the final routes... enough negatives about it ..... You expected to see a northerly route as part of the evaluations. It is not endorsed ....considered negative about that alignment... Kubby/...We dictate at this point a more environmentally sound choice ..... in terms of areas ..... Thornberry/All three bottom ones go through a lot of marsh lands .... Davidson/The consultant... S3C... assured us... would not be permitted by Corps of Engineers .... (refers to map)... very much driven by wetland arguments .... Vanderhoef/We need to have a preliminary conversation with Corps of Engineers before we totally eliminate... Davidson/The consultant has done that... they felt very comfortable S4C alternative with a bridge .... bridge alternative as being the one that is most favorable. Norton/ Davidson/What motivated Coralville to also preserve this one was shnply the expense .... One is $3.3 million and $1.8 million .... Nov/There is more pleasant curves there ..... Davidson/It is arterial design standards .... Nov/ ....I don't want a straight shot .... Kubby/So is that worth three acres of wetlands ..... Nov/I still think it is a better route ....traffic safety. Thornberry/What, 2C? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 39 Nov/yes. Norton/Keep 4C and 2C, I guess. Davidson/The wetland impact of S4 .... are much lower thanthe others .... Nov/You could build part of this one as a bridge also. Kubby/To have lower impact on wetlands but then you increase your costs .... Nov/ ....I think there are other reasons it is worth preserving .... Davidson/Is there a majority that is willing to authorize the mayor's signature on a document that would preserve the consuitant's recommended alignment, 4C? One, two, three, four. Okay. Now what about this prospect of also adding the second one. Is there a majority that is in favor of that? Council/(No). Davidson/Okay, so I will say there is no interest in that. Thornberry/No interest in 2C. Davidson/In also preserving this one (refers to map). Thornberry/What does it cost to preserve it? Nov/It means it house wouldn't be built on it .....both of them are going to be running through a lot of wetlands .... Davidson/It does impact... two more property owners that the other one doesn't. I did not see a majority for that one yet. Nov/Okay. Thornberry/I could see preserving 2C .... I like N3 better than any of the others. Vanderhoeff This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 40 Davidson/I will indicate that to the Board tomorrow morning and to Coralville tomorrow night .... A majority in favor of S4C, the consultants recommended and that is it. Thornberry/Forget N3 up above? Nov/I don't see a majority on that one. Norton/ ....N3... I would be for preserving it ..... Davidson/The northern alignment .... it displaces two houses ..... others don't displace any... impossible to extend this east .... Norton/Forget it then. Just go with 4C. Nov/It is also a bad intersection .... Davidson/Okay, just the consultants recommended alignment. Vanderhoef/What I really wanted was further north ..... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 41 FY98 CDBG & HOME Bud~,et Prol}osal 97-57 S1 Maurice Head/The Chair of the HCDC, Gretchen Schmuch will be presenting the FY98 CDBG and HOME funding recommendations to you. Gretchen will also give you some information on the funding process and the rank and criteria that was used .... used a different process this year... more objective process ..... ranking criteria that was used by the Commission... The Commission wanted to rate projects based on merits .... Gretchen Schmuch/We began last spring... new set of criteria... clear and consistent on how we based our decisions .... looks at documented needs, City Steps Priorities, who the project would benefit, feasibility and capacity of the agencies requesting the funding .... give each project a potential 100 points... cut off'of 50 points .... three nights... hearing.. completed the ranking sheets... chose to go through our funding process by looking at top ranked items first and average allocations ....for each project... That is the process that we went through .... You also have in there a list of our justifications as to why we funded things... and why we didn't .... questions and comments about those .... Vanderhoef/I have one that I was interested in... rankings of#15 and #16 ..... just a .2 difference. Youth Leadership Program... and E.C.IA .... also job training specifically for young people .... I would like to see this changed .... My philosophy... I would like to see them into jobs and have a way that builds esteem with employment and a little self sufficiency .... Schmuch/E.C.IA has been has been around for awhile.. they had quite impressive outcome data .... They came out #16 and #15 is a new project for us. Vanderhoef/... Job Training, I would like to see them funded more, the E.C.IA funded more than $7,050. Nov/Also training some people coming off the welfare rolls .... There may be a little more urgent need for that than the 10 year olds in the other program .... Schmuch/Prevention .... crisis intervention .... I think one of the main concerns... felt that E.C.IA was the result of a state mandate and that the state wasn't putting funds behind it... real concern .... Kubby/We talked about that last year .... glad to see a lower level of funding .... Vanderhoef/ ! This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 42 Schmuch/These are both public service requests and we have such a limited amount that we can put into that .... Head/Dee .... E.C.IA., they have about $12,000 in their budget right now. They got additional money last year... They will have some money remaining from this year .... Kubby/Can they carry over from one project to another without going through the committee? Head/No, we will expend those funds until they are exhausted. They got some additional funding last year and they had not planned on spending all of the funds... excess .... Kubby/ Head/They will have some additional funds .... Vanderhoef/It doesn't change my philosophy. Baker/...#17. Vanderhoef/#17 didn't get funded. Baker/ Vanderhoef/Different category ..... We have a good number of housing projects already in other categories .... Nov/ Vanderhoef/ Kubby/We are in kind of a transition period with block grant moneys .... now it is evolving into more economic development issues .... Vanderhoef/A lot of the support services that we are giving these people in housing part, they need the job training that goes with it to break a cycle here. I would recommend that we do a little rearranging of the dollars in the public service projects. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session Norton/ Vanderhoef/... take $2,000 off of Emergency Housing Project ..... Norton/Switch some off of CCIA, # 15 ..... Re: #15, it looks like an alternative to DARE. Is that true? ..... Vanderhoef/ Nov/ ....Youth services ..... Norton/ Baker/Can I ask a basic question on limitation of these categories.'? ....Is that a self- imposed limit? Schmuch/Those limitations are based on the City Steps priorities in terms of how much will be allocated each year to meet the needs .... flexible between public facilities and economic development and housing. The public services we are not allowed to be flexible on unless we took more away because of the federal cap. Vanderhoef/Since the Job Training Program is somewhat in economic development- Schmuch/It doesn't fit .... Along with the Mayor's Youth proposal. we were hoping both could be economic development and they don't fit the criteria. Vanderhoef/Get some funding from both categories. Schmueh/ Norton/ Kubby/Another items under public services that received no funding .... Life Skills... past... permanent funding .... through the city.. to help our Section 8 participants. Nov/I am not happy with the statistics .....31% are still in housing7 Kubby/31% returned surveys. Nov/Only those who were still in housing were the ones who returned it .... very small sample .... p~e43 This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 44 Kubby/That is not saying only 31% of the people are in permanent housing ..... percentage of people who returned the surveys. Nov/I am saying only 30% returned the surveys. Of those 30%, they were all in permanent housing .... Kubby/I would not agree ..... Norton/It was a small response ..... Schmuch/...concern was the lack of follow-up .... CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 97-57 SIDE 2 Schmuch/GillJam is here from Life Skills... she can maybe address it better. Kubby/I would like to hear from Gilliam a little bit about the issue of follow-up and how long you have had people ..... Gilliam Fox/The issue of follow-up is challenging for us because we have a 1/2 housing specialist who spends all of their assisting with locating housing... helping individuals maintain their housing .... small percentage of time left within this 1/2 time position to focus a great deal of resources on follow-up. We send out a 2 month follow-up survey .... To the best of our knowledge, these individuals are still living in these homes .....we leave our business card ....challenge ....Our focus is primarily on placement and providing assistance... We make an effort to do follow- up ..... Challenge Nov/ Fox/Most of the individuals we place are still building their resources within the first two months of placements, so a vast majority do not have telephones .... Many of them, the majority, do have telephones .... We do call and we make every effort that we can within reason .... draw a line at some point as to where to focus our resources .... Our energies have been focused on continuing to place individuals .... providing the services that are needed .... Nov/Serious need for follow-up. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 45 Norton/I would like to ask the Commission... how do you figure to fill the gap presumably left by Life Skills not being involved in the kind of activities they have been involved in? Schmuch/That is the problem with projects that come back yearly for funding. When you want to fund new projects, other things get cut. I don't have an answer for that. Nov/Is there some philosophy that says you ought to find new projects ..... And the ones that have been funded for X years should find funding somewhere else? Schmuch/No .but that is always a discussion in the decision making process .... We also try to encourage.. seek funding... elsewhere ....demonstrate that they have made an effort .... Norton/ Head/The CDBG regulations require that if we fund a project in a 2nd year or 3rd year, that project has to prove to us that their services are expanding. They just can't provide us with the same level of service in the 2nd year that they did the 1 st year... prove they are providing more services .... Norton/What if it is better... is this a numbers game strictly? Head/It is a numbers game .... Norton/Depth of training that you are giving in Life Skills ..... Head/ Baker/Same criteria you use in all the categories? Head/Only in public services .... It is just one criteria of the many criteria used. This particular criteria relates to the regulations that we have to go by. Kubby/ Head/ Baker Head/Just in the public service category. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 46 Baker/It doesn't apply to economic develop projects? Norton/ Nov/ISED has been funded for several years and they have not providing more service .... Head/In CDBG regulations, because there is a 15% funding cap and because of the way the regulations are written, it was not intended to fund a lot of public service activities out of CDBG. Council/ Norton/The percentages come to 88% .... I understand there is a contingency .... Schmuch/And the administrative overhead cost also. Norton/Is it like 12%? I get 88% when I add up your percentages .... Nov/We can nibble at the contingency if we need to. Kubby/If there is some emergency .... Norton/... the numbers show me 12 ...... Thornberry/... I can see where they want the program to expand... It is not fair to the ones who start and don't get an in-depth long term commitment from the program. Head/The program is only intended to start a project, a public service activity, that first year. It is not intended to continue that project year after year .... that particular public service has to show it has an expanded service in order to get funded. It is not intended to perpetuate that activity. Kubby/Committee has come to us in the past and said Life Skills is a good program, you all should be funding it on a regular basis .... still suggesting that there be permanent funding for full time ..... The ball is in our court ..... It is one thing to put people into housing but if you don't help people maintain their housing, it doesn't do any good ..... Norton/The feds are trying to squeeze it out of us. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 47 Thornberry/ Kubby/Also we are doing is providing a shell for a home... without providing the skills to make it a home and we are learning... for some families that's what is needed .... Thornberry/ Kubby/Everyone deserves shelter. Thornberry/No they don't. I don't agree with that .... Some don't deserve it. Kubby/We have different philosophies about how to deal with human beings. Norton/Can't have them living in caves .... Thornberry/I am just saying that some people work for it and some don't and that is a fact. Norton/ Nov/I have some housing questions .... Vanderhoef/Are there four people that would like to move a few of the funds? In particular I would suggest that we move-at least share the funds between the Community Corrections. Otherwise I would propose that we just reverse them and put the $17,000 into E.C.IA and $7,000 into the Youth Leadership Program. Council/ Schmuch/...We certainly would be agreeable to making that kind of switch. What we would want to make sure is the $7,000, if it was switched to CCIA, was usable .... Vanderhoef/Just reverse the order of that ....Take the two totals... $28,650 and divide by two. Nov/ Vanderhoef/ I was going to take some from Emergency Housing. Nov/$24,000 .... get about $12,000. If the E.C.IA already has $15,000 to be spent this year, there is only $2,000 difference. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 48 Vanderhoef/Their request was for $24,000. Norton/$25,7- I would give them $10- maybe and take the difference out because they got $15- coming, Nov/$15- includes the $7- Vanderhoef/So the total request is for $25- and they have $8- left over and they are giving them $7. So they are talking about $15- and the Youth Leadership Program requested $20- and they are getting $17- Baker/I have a problem being that precise based upon the knowledge I have of these projects... some I wouldn't give any money to .... On those two projects, I would leave the recommendations alone .... Kubby/It may be a good project. It may be CDBG is not the place to get funding for it. Vanderhoef/... disparity in the funding allocated ....additional discussion at Commission level of what happened there .... Schmuch/Much of the Commission discussion .... state mandated program and the state didn't have the money for it ....concerns about CDBG picking up that gap at this time again .... Vanderhoef/ Kubby/...not setting up,.. something that comes back .... Nov/That is one of my reservations on the ISED .... they come back every year... 4th year... They are calling it economic development ....I think it is public service agency ..... Baker/ Kubby/ Nov/I am saying it belongs in the same category... compared with other public service agencies that are providing employment training .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 49 Kubby/There are people who get a business plan who get funded.. potentially employing other people .... Schmuch/My understanding under the federal regulations is ISED is providing permanent jobs, meaning jobs of three years as opposed to just training and that is what locks them into economic development .... and keeps E.C.IA in public services. Nov/They are not directly providing jobs .... to me that doesn't add up. Council/ Baker/I agree with you .... Norton/We can't sit and chop $5- here and $3- there... You just have to bless what the Commission brings .... Kubby/It is our decision but the Committee spent a lot of time using the criteria .... Norton/ Vanderhoef/Will you support some switching? Norton/I will support a modest switch .... uncomfortable ....$2,000. Yes I would do $2,000. Thornberry/Micro-management or what? Norton/It is ..... Thornberry/Then why have a commission? Norton/That is true. Kubby/Because we talk about five things instead of 500 things. Kubby/I would not support it .... I don't want them coming back every year. Council/ Baker/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 50 Vanderhoef/My philosophy is let's provide training for young people to work in the work field. Baker/ ....I would rather put it down in Life Skills .... Thornberry/You got to have a job to have life skills. Council/ Schmuch/ Kubby/Whole age range .... Kubby/I could not support Dee's switching at this point. Thornberry/Leave it like it is ..... Baker/On public service project, leave it like it is. Norton/I would move Life Skills, too. Nov/There is three ..... Kubby/So Life Skills remains at zero... Back to Dee's suggestion about switching around those two, yea or nay? Nov/I don't see four people who want to do it. Kubby/Okay, public services stays the same. Baker/Economic Development. I suggest $20,000 for ISED just be eliminated .... I have questions about the program every year. Nov/It is another one of these follow-up questions. Have they provided better follow-up this year than they have in the past? Schmuch/They have provided a lot of follow-up documentation .... trouble sometimes sorting out the numbers. Nov/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 51 Steve Nasby/I had a monitoring visit with them just prior to the funding cycle... lengthy list of businesses they have started through this program. The one criteria they have is profitable, non-profitable or too soon to tell .... The term profitable, that is something that we have to set a bar for each individual project .... What is profitable?... that is what we are in the process of doing now is try to determine on case by case basis. They have provided us with a great deal of information.. sort through it business by business ..... Baker/(Can't hear) .....is less than a luke warm endorsement ..... Schmuch/We haggled like this for hours .... luke warm... did only fund 2/3's of their request. We felt the administrative costs were considerably higher than they needed to be .... compared to a similar proposal... Nov/We all share your reservations. Kubby/I feel fine about keeping it as the committee recommends. Baker/Delete it or reduce it. Kubby/How do other people feel? Nov/Do I hear anyone who wants to change it? I don't hear four. Vanderhoef/And those moneys have to stay in that category? It can't be moved out? Schmuch/Economic development moneys can be moved anywhere but public services. Nov/All right. Moving down the list. Public facilities projects ....Any questions on these? Baker/I agree with all of them. Nov/Okay. I have some questions on housing. I think Crisis Center deserves their new building .... very cramped .... Housing Fellowship is worth funding because they will keep these places affordable for the next 50 years .... I really believe they are doing a reasonable job .... I see absolutely no way I can support Habitat for Humanity .... meet the human rights and separation of church and state. They say prayers at every house. Thornberry/They say a prayer when Congress starts. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 52 Nov/ Norton/I am not a big prayer person. Nov/ Thornberry/Sweat equity. They are working hard to get a place to live... they are working for it .... Nov/They are advertising the availability of the applications only in churches. Schmuch/I believe they are advertising elsewhere .... in ICON... We dealt with this a little bit .... community specific .... Lehman/I have no problem with it. Thornberry/I have no problem with it. Nov/I want to know how a Buddhist would ever know if there is an application available in this group .... Schmuch/There is someone here from Habitat .... Nov/ Nancy Stensvaag/I volunteered year and a half ago... Executive Director... This is a listing of the publicity that we put out in January. We did send notices to all the area churches... we put placards in the city buses... Coralville buses... Cambuses... Sent notices to public agencies, DVIP, Greater Iowa City Housing Fellowship... Crisis Center .... Public Housing Authority .... Neighborhood Centers... Emergency Housing Project .... Newspaper... 15 different newspapers .... Kubby/I think you have answered the question really well. Baker/Is there a check mark on the application, do you go to church? Stensvaag/No. Nov/Is there ever a house breaking... where you have not said a prayer?... It is separation of church and state. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 53 Stensvaag/We have had four ground breakings and four dedications .... We have said prayers in all of those occasions. We also start out a work day with a prayer .... We don't require that anyone participate in the prayer .... They are not required to gather together... I have no idea what religious affiliations .... Nov/Can we have a written guarantee if the city purchases the land, that there will be on prayers at that household? Thornberry/No. Nov/That is the only way I would fund it. Council/ Nov/I am going to ask that it be given a separate vote... I want my chance to say no. Thornberry/...that is fine... fair .... Nov/ Kubby/Do you have to believe in a God to participate? Stensvaag/No, we don't ask anything of either the families or the volunteers what their church affiliation is ..... Nov/ Stensvaag/No, we don't ask them to have a church affiliation. Kubby/ Stensvaag/That is not a part of our process at all. Thornberry/ Nov/ Stensvaag/As an organization, we do at the beginning of our work days ..... Kubby/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session Nov/We will separate it out ..... Thornberry/ Norton/We believe in one God at most .... Kubby/That is not true ..... Nasby/There are some CDBG regulations that stipulate some language on separation of the church and state and the constitutional prohibition. So we would be looking at getting some fine tuning on that from HUD. That is clearly spelled out in the CDBG rules ..... Kubby/ Nasby/ ....getting the language clarifying what you can and can't do. We will clarify. Kubby/ Nasby/ ....we would ask for some further clarification. Nov/We are still on housing .....I am moving on. Baker/I have a question about River City Housing .... I am always interested in this definition of affordable .... Are the residents of River City Housing Collective .... verify low income people? What is the make up of the residents? Schmuch/Actually they are primarily students ....couple of children and a couple of non- students at this point .... Baker/ Schmuch/They verify income... I think a number of them are low income. All but two. Baker/ Are there a certain percentage of a program like this that has to be low income? Nasby/90%. Baker/ p~e54 Thornberry/What is low income? .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 55 Norton/ Nasby/Below 80% of median. One person... $28,000 ..... Kubby/ Baker/... low income single students .... Kubby/There have been married couples... Schmuch/Issues that came up were handicap accessibility and reaching out to a more diverse population .... one of their goals... Baker/How many people? .... Lehman/45 total. Baker/(Can't hear). Kubby/Because this is a one time request... Does that mean that RCHC never plans to come back to CDBG for any kind of funding? Schmuch/That was our understanding ..... They are looking to replace the unit... large facility that goes back to a fraternity on Dubuque Street .... Nov/The fraternity is being restored or something? Council/(All talking). Schmuch/ Kubby/...You rent from the corporation .... It has been around since '77 .... It never has had funding .... Initially RCHC started with the University .... five year plan to get away from University property and begin buying their own. They have owned more property ....They currently own two properties and rent the one fraternity house. Schmuch/It is a loan. It will be re-paid. Nov/I have less concern about loans .... grants... not too happy with that kind of system .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 56 Schmuch/That is also a loan and Liz is right here. Liz Swenson/It would be a loan and if the family sold a house at market value, then the loan would be re-paid in total and a percentage of the profit would come back to the city and that profit would really be negotiated with the Community Development Office. Nov/ Swenson/It wouldn't matter .... If the family decided to sell their house to another family that was in same 51% to 80% of median income, then the subsidy would stay with the unit .... creating forever affordable housing .... Nov/But there is an option to sell it to someone who is not of low income .... city is basically subsidizing home ownership. Pdnounts to the same thing as handing someone a down payment. Swenson/It would come back to the city in a percentage of the profit .... The City could stipulate that it could only be sold to someone at 51% to 80% of median income ..... I think it just gives more flexibility and it does allow the city to recapture and to benefit from it so that no one would gain a windfall profit .... percentage of the profit could be negotiated .... Nov/ Swenson/ .... Certainly the community land trust is another option .... the town's decision... In this case, people would be taxed on the full amount of their house .... Marianne and I have actually talked about working cooperatively. I think there are a number of different ways to make that work ..... flexible ....The key is long term affordability .... Kubby/I don't have a problem with this project ..... partnership with private sector .... Nov/Let's scale it down. Swenson/It actually has been scaled .... But I have since then talked... other sites... CDBG Commission's recommendation was $68,000 which is really enough for about three sites... has been scaled down... Needs to be about that scale... material ....that has a really good insulating quality... has potential for affordable housing .... Working with Ben Moore .... Kevin Monson.. come up with a detail that would This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 57 work.. help in terms of cost... helpful to be able to do 3-4 units rather then just one .... Nov/Keep it affordable to the next owner for next 50 years. Swenson/I don't have a problem with that at all .....long term affordable issue... does need to be more than 10 years or 15 years ....The City may want to make a general decision about that .... Does need to be longer term. Nov/...50 years .... Kubby/We should have that rule for ourselves .... Swenson/I don't know if that is something you all want to negotiate... I was really looking at issue of long term affordability in terms of either keeping housing available ....or making sure the city re-captured any money and got any profit back with it ....It is just finding a good structure for having long term affordability. Council/ Baked Can I go back to River City Housing? What was the median income figure? 80% of median? $28,400. Okay. Before we vote on, going to have a p.hl tomorrow .... all those residents incomes have been verified, right? Thornberry/And they are under except for two? Baked And they are under the 80% mark? Nasby/They are actually all under 60% except the two. HOME money is going to be what funds this project and 90% have to be under 60% .... Baker/60% is $21,300. Schmuch/...about 2/3's student and 1/3 not student. CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 97-58 SIDE 1 Baked And you have a record .... How did they veri~ it? Schmuch/I don't know how that was verified. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 58 Nasby/For the purposes of filling out the application, River City Housing Collective surveyed the people who lived in their house. If they are awarded funded, they will need to go through and get a formal verification from each person that will be living in that. Baker/What does that mean? Nasby/We will ask them to sign something that says my income is between this number and this number and they sign it ..... Lehman/There is no formal verification which we don't do for a number of programs .... Baker/This one just jumped out as a continuing subsidy. Nasby/We could do a formal verification. Baker/I would just like to see the number of single individuals in the house and what their incomes are .... I would like to start with this program .... Thornberry/Are we subsidizing student housing? Baker/ Nasby/We can do the verifications. Thornberry/ Baker/I am talking about income verifications for individuals ..... Norton/Let's be consistent. Where do we verify incomes, for what programs? Head/Housing Rehab Program... in-house programs that we have .... direct benefit to the home owner .... Certainly we can do a verification for this program and it is probably a good idea that we do follow-up verifications for a lot of other projects as well. Baker/Start here ..... Head/Our staff has no problem with doing that at all. Baker/Two other hands. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 59 Kubby/I don't care as long as other programs also .... for every program. Nov/Okay, anything else for Gretchen? Kubby/This was very helpful having points underneath each one .... Schmuch/Thank you. Nov/Thanks to the rest of the committee. Baker/Can we do Human Rights ordinance amendments next? Shank/...(can't hear)... waiting for Eleanor. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 60 Urban Renewal Plan & TIF: Scott-Six Industrial Park 97-58 SI Nov/TIF. David Schoon/Tomorrow night you will start the process of putting in the mechanism that will allow us to use tax increment financing (TIF). The first step is to adopt an Urban Renewal Plan. That is what you are setting the p.h. on and also directing a consultation with the affected taxing bodies and also directing it to the P/Z Commission for their review and comments in terms of its compliance with the Comprehensive Plan. The other two components of establishing the use of TIF, the second component would be the T1F District Ordinance... will come later in the process. The ordinance itself basically sets up the mechanism of how we go about dividing the revenues so that the revenue from this district would go into a special fund to pay for any indebtedness .... The Urban Renewal Plan says how we plan to use it... establishes our objectives... how we plan to use TIF .... With a developer's agreement... more details in terms of the developer's obligations and our obligations in terms of using TIF. In the plan it states,.. TIF may be used for public infrastructure improvements and also may be used for financial assistance in the form of loans, grants, or rebates to businesses .... We are designating the entire area, I-1 and CI-1 zoned areas, feeling that those uses... in I-1 zone... also occur in CI-1 zone .... also be appropriate to provide those businesses financial assistance .... Baker/(Can't hear)... also allowed in the industrial zone, if they are located in the CI-I, they would be eligible ..... Schoon/The plan specifically says- Kubby/Light manufacturing or wholesale trade and warehouse. Schoon/Right, in the CI-1 zone .... you would give consideration ....in terms of using TIF. Baker/Most of the businesses in the CI-1 zone would not be eligible? Schoon/Correct. Norton/Is there any problem at all with 420th not being in the zone but only adjacent to it? Schoon/No, we have included- A portion of the r.o.w. is within the urban renewal area .... may use TIF to improve 420th Street and there is not a problem with that ..... The other reason to include the CI-1 zone also in the urban renewal area is it insures a tax base to make sure that we have enough tax increment to pay for public This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 61 infrastructure improvements in the district ..... provides us with incremental tax that we could then make those improvements to 420th Street. Go quickly... examples.. of how it would be used .... I heard you had some discussion with the county and school district the other night regarding the use of TIF and for a period of 20 years and I want to try to clarify that. Kubby/Seems like a long time. Nov/ ....maximum you are allowed. Kubby/Can we state a certain max that is smaller than 20 years? Nov/Yes. Schoon/So in 1997 we adopt the plan and the district. (Refers to overhead/handouts: Tax Increment Financing For Infrastructure Improvements.) Thomberry/Question, on 2010, TIF revenue available for other debt incurred within the district. Does that mean the City of Iowa City, the city limits? Schoon/No within the urban renewal- Thomberry/ .... Would you have to use that TIF revenue? Schoon/No. This could be the only project we use the TIF revenues for. Vanderhoef/If we were set up to give the TIF money to a business .... new business that comes in ..... That is what you mean by come and go. Thornberry/ Norton/If you didn't use the TIF revenue, it could go back to the other bodies? Schoon/Correct. Until we certify debt with the county .... we have lost that increment. We have to first certify some sort of debt with the county. once we do that, the first time we certify debt, that starts the clock on the 20 year time period ..... 2020... TIF ends .....In 2015, if a business comes along, we only have five years to use TIF revenue ....So there is some incentive to encourage- If you want to use this as a tool to try to encourage the development sooner than later. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 62 Kubby/ Schoon/If you incurred $10 million, you certify the debt, there has been $10 million of investment in property. In year 2015, you have no other debt, you could certify debt and use that whole base to fund a project within that district. Let's just use that example. In year 2015 a project some along... there is a possibility available, that $100,000. Nov/It is also possible that we could put in $1 million worth in infrastructure and it will be 10-15 years before there is any increment in which to pay it back. Schoon/That is true. Thomberry/You have to specify the number of years going in? Schoon/In terms of using TIF, if you designate the area an economic development urban renewal area, you are limited to 20 years. Thornberry/ Schoon/ Thornberry/Once you have started it, you don't change it? Kubby/... you can re-do... another urban renewal plan for that same area. Schoon/ .... Kubby/There is a new base. Norton/Is there ever a case the TIF revenues are not all used in the project? .... Schoon/You could do that in the urban renewal plan. To say your intent is to use 50% in the increment. Norton/A few crumbs for the others. Schoon/Limits your flexibility .... Kubby/In our plan we have to say all the things that we might want to use money for .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 63 Schoon/You are just saying what they may be used for. Kubby/ Baker/Explain what happens if you only put a ten year limit on the TIF to begin with and you want to...end often years... renew it or extend it. Schoon/You have to renew it. Thornberry/Renew it at a new base. Baker/ Schoon/You can renew .... You can adopt a new plan in 20 years. It is just you have lost all of that increment that you gained in that 20 years. Lehman/It is important... school board doesn't get to vote on this. They have no voice .... Hurts us from an income standpoint almost exactly the same it hurts it the school district. Nov/Actually it hurts us more. Lehman/... overall benefit to the community outweighs what we are giving up in tax revenue. Schoon/This is just another example to go through quickly. (Refers to overhead/handout: Tax Increment Financing for Financial Assistance to Businesses). Just provided that as an example of how we could use the revenue. Kubby/In the plan, it cites the different improvements .... In the first category it doesn't say specifically that it would be paid for by the TIF money The other two areas it says that TIF shall be available to finance the construction of these. With the private site improvements, what is the intent of how those would be paid for. Would there be TIF money available for the private site? Schoon/...there will be site improvements but there won't be TIF funds use .... Kubby/On a business by business case .... This is for individual businesses, private site improvements? Schoon/Yes. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 64 Nov/Any other questions? Kubby/We need to talk about the time frame, don't we? Nov/... do we actually vote on it the same day as the p.h.? Norton/Just a p.h. tomorrow. Schoon/If your intent is to limit the use of TIF financing... include that ... public notice .... We should try to include that in the plan. Nov/I don't know if it is our intent .... Do we want to establish this district for a period of ten years rather than 20? .... My concern about it is that it may not develop that quickly that we will get our increment back within ten years .... Schoon/If you limit it to the ten year period you have .... we are in two years, it is going to be two more years before tax revenue... six years of increment that then we would be able to use to assist a business .... In doing that, you are going to be limiting the potential increment that you may need to use .... Nov/It is just not financial assistance ....We are going to put in a lot of up front money... Schoon/For the major improvements, we are going to try to time those .... with a major project that would need 420th Street improved .... That is the most significant expenditure that we are looking at at this point ....timing when that increment will be there to make those improvements. Woito/I have a suggestion .... I would suggest keeping this as broad as possible .... Nov/This is pretty much as broad as possible right now. Woito/Yes, it is right now. That is what I am suggesting. I would recommend against narrowing it at this juncture. That plan is very broad now. Atkins/ Thornberry/The TIF financing for Scott-Six. A 10 year, 15 year, 20 year? Atkins/It is really our choice... better off... as long as possible ....That is enabling, you don't have to exercise the full use of it. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 65 Schoon/ Woito/This beginning resolution is very important in terms of being broad in scope. You can always narrow it down but you can't expand it as we discovered two years ago. Thornberry/ Woito/I said you can't expand anything beyond what is in the plan. Schoon/... We can make it more restrictive through the process. We can make it less restrictive during the process. Thornberry/Do you have to specify the number of years going in? And it can change? Woito/It can go lower but you can't put in 10 and expand it later to 20 .... Nov/It would be a new TIF .... Norton/Let's talk about 20 years .... Thornberry/ Lehman/ Norton/ Kubby/I am still hesitant.., to say 20. I am understanding that 10 is maybe not long enough to give us some flexibility .... Schoon/I know the Coral Ridge Mall was used as an example .... I should have called Kelly to find out the details. Their intent may be to use-that they 10 years or 7 years or whatever it is of increment offof that project to pay for those improvements .... Since they made this part of their town center urban renewal area, their plan and TIF ordinances were made for a period longer than that. I don't know that .... What happens is when you are looking at an area, it is going to develop over time and it may be in year seven that a business comes along that you think is a good match for Iowa City .... you have limited the potential increment that may be available to put a financial assistance package together for that business .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 66 Nov/ Kubby/I am just voicing my ...hesitation about 20 years ....May be interested in something in-between ..... Nov/There may not be any increased value in the first ten years. Kubby/ Vanderhoef/ ....set it in 20 years ....could we rescind the 20 years and start the process all over? .... Schoon/ ....start a new base .... Vanderhoef/For a specific project? Schoon/Yes .... Kubby/We could have separate districts that are much smaller .... Franklin/When you are talking about a higher base, that is not an advantage. That is a disadvantage. Because as you start over- Thornberry/... higher base to get a longer period for a new TIF .... Franklin/The base at which you start is a higher value than what you are starting with now which means your increment is going to be less. Thornberry/ Franklin/That is why you would go for 20 years. Don't forget that you look at every single bit of indebtedness that you are going to incur ....making decisions all along .... Kubby/When this body has that ability .... there will always be those projects... Franklin/There is only so much that we are going to do in terms of public improvements here. Kubby/ ....We are talking about financial incentives .... This represents only a reasonably accurate trauscription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 67 Franklin/That is to get businesses to locate here. Kubby/Looks like a really big list to me .... Nov/ Kubby/... by limiting the time, you might limit some of this. Norton/ Kubby/I understand that in the long run, your base is bigger and everybody gets more money. That is not my only concern .... Council/ Baker/ Kubby/... the incentives I want to give are probably more limited than other people .... Baker/ Thornberry/ Nov/We can look at each individual application and decide on its merits. There is no way we are obligated to do everything. Kubby/ Council/ Nov/ Thornberry/ Franklin/We have our consultation with the county and the school district next week. Thornberry/One for 20. Nov/Be as broad as possible .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 68 Council/(Yeah). Schoon/Any other questions? Kubby/I do and a couple of people don't want to talk about this but under the private site improvements, if they're going to go to individual businesses then I think we need to have a sentence in here... that says qualifying businesses shall be determined by the city council. The council's determination shall be based upon the Financial Assistance Guidelines outlined in .... Norton/I thought it did in the ordinance state that. Kubby/ Schoon/But that will come in the form of financial assistance. Kubby/So why are these two separated? Schoon/Because there are going to be site improvements that are not going to receive financial assistance for them to occur in the urban renewal area. There is going to be private activity that is not going to require TIF. Kubby/When I asked before.. page 2 of the Plan... page 4 under private site improvements .... paid for by TIF and individual site improvements? Schoon/When TIF would be used for individual site improvements is usually when a business asks for financial assistance ....qualify ....they may then use that grant or loan for those site improvements .... Kubby/ ....the private site improvements are one form of financial incentive. Am I understanding that correctly? Schoon/Could be one form of financial incentive. Kubby/Are there any way in this first category of private site improvement that the city is going to be paying for the whole part? Schoon/You tell me. Kubby/I want to make sure that whenever a specific business gets money, they have to follow the guidelines. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 69 Franklin/If those private site improvements are for the individual business, then the Financial Assistance Guidelines should apply. Whereas we do not have them applying to the public infrastructure improvements because that is for the park as a whole. Kubby/I want to disagree with that interpretation .... I think that is against the spirit of our economic development policies and guidelines .... I believe that any moneys going for improvement of the whole site is an incentive to the individual business .... Norton/How would we change that to reflect that? .... Kubby/Yes, if the whole park gets this kind of assistance from the city then all the businesses should have to meet the guideline. I would ask people to go back and look at the policies and the guidelines and how things are written and what the spirit of it is. Norton/When do they come into play? Baker/Karen, the way you framed it would mean that any public investment in infrastructure is a benefit for a business coming in. Kubby/No because some of the things that we are talking about doing .... sewer and water lines... developers usually pay that. We are talking about absorbing those costs and being repaid through TIF money. That is specific to that industrial park .... Thornberry/So you want to limit what goes in there on the criteria for the TIF ....? Kubby/Because they got the help from the water and sewer lines that other developers have to pay. So that is extra and different assistance to them than any other developer. Lehman/... IfI owned the property... warehouse .... I can't sell the property to the person unless he meets the economic development guidelines. You are really restricting what the owner of that property can do with his property. Kubby/... then you do have to pay those fees that the other developers pay for that acreage .... $1900 per acre fee. If you don't meet the guidelines then you don't get the benefit of the public investment ..... Thornberry/Either you meet the criteria or you are penalized. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 70 Norton/There is some stuff up front here that is a virtue, a value .... Thornberry/ Baker/This is not our industrial park. There is a private investment as well as a public investment .... Kubby/It is part of the partnership... they are gaining .... Baker/... you are handicapping them by that criteria... the private sector is already putting in the subsidy for this project .... Kubby/ Baker/They are taking the risk much like the city takes a risk. Norton/If we were doing all of it, it would be different .... Thornberry. Nov/This whole partnership contract is not based on TIF .... Baker/ Kubby/ Nov/ Franklin/You can also argue that the assistance is going to the community to get the industrial park because we are probably not going to get it another way. That is the position that we have taken. Kubby/... If you don't meet the guidelines, then you have to pay those fees ....If you meet the guidelines, then you don't have to pay .... Franklin/It is a matter of initially saying that what we are after here is an industrial park. This is a public good and we are going to partner in order to do this and we are going to pay a certain amount of money to do this. One of the quid pro quos for the developer is that they will keep the land price to a competitive price, that cuts into their profit. We will get the general industrial park. We will also, through the This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 71 use of our Financial Assistance Guidelines, entice those kinds of businesses that we want particularly .... Kubby/ Norton/... seemingly they have to be moderated somewhat given the partnership .... Thornberry/ Norton/We are just trying to attract the kind that you want. Kubby/We are talking $1900 an acre. I am not talking about gold plated sewer pipes .... I believe that we are violating the spirit of the guidelines ..... Lehman/... keep the property reasonably priced... city helps put in the infrastructure ..... Just illustrates the partnership .... Baker/Isn't this public private partnership making it less of a financial burden on the city? Baker/ CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 97-58 SIDE 2 Kubby/ ....there are certain accountabilities and certain things ..... Nov/I think you have made your point. You don't have three people who have agreed with you. Can we move on? Kubby/Tomorrow is the p.h. only, right? Schoon/Tomorrow is setting the p.h. Nov/We will have another chance to talk about this .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 72 Human Riehts Ordinance Amendments 97-58 S2 Eleanor Dilkes/I sent you a memo at the time we set the p.h. So I am not going to go into a lot of detail. We are basically here to answer your questions. The purpose of the ordinance is to make our ordinance substantially equivalent to the federal Fair Housing Amendments Act of 1989. We need to be substantially equivalent in order to investigate claims of housing discrimination in Iowa City and to get both HUD money for both investigation and education. We pretty much have been assured by HUD that this will do it .... Thornberry/I think this is a no-brainer ....Bringing us up into the federal guidelines. Norton/ .... argument about the requirement if the complainant elects to go to district court, who finances it? As the thing is now written, does that apply only to housing questions or does that extend to other domains? Dilkes/It only applies to housing. Norton/ ....we may be stuck with paying, right? Dilkes/Yes, the City Attorney or the City Attorney's designee has to take that action to district court. We can use some of the HUD money that we get to fund those actions. Norton/ Dilkes/The information that we have been able to gather... at the city level, it is not happening much. At the state level it has been happening in most all cases. Norton/And they have to be informed of that option? Dilkes/Yes. Norton/So there is some risk here of having to finance our City Attorney staff defending a discrimination housing case in district court. Dilkes/That is the requirement of the Act. Again, HUD money can be made available for that purpose .... Thornberry/Right now, they would have to do it on their own? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 73 Dilkes/Anytime a complainant would go to district court, it would be financed on their own .... We don't have to follow them to district court until we have made a probable cause determination that discrimination has happened and also that it is litigation worthy ....higher standard ....We are saying we are willing to defend this case .... Thornberry/ Dilkes/The mediation process still exists. Norton/ Dilkes/Attorney's fees are one of the remedies. Let me just double check that. Yes, reasonable attorney's fee can be recovered. Kubby/In the section that talks about the Commission's ability to assess a civil penalty. You are talking money? Dilkes/Yes and that is actually already in our ordinance ....adopt the maximums that the state uses for that civil penalty. Norton/ Thornberry/Why automatically do the maximums? Dilkes/... you couldn't do more then .... Council/ Norton/Do any of the changes that you are making to make it compatible and cover the housing thing, those requirements bear on other things...? What about the time delays, time notices? Dilkes/The main deadline that will apply to other areas of discrimination is the Statute of Limitations which has been one year in our ordinance and we have changed to 180 days. The reason for that, 180 is a very typical... for filing of an administrative complaint .... It is frankly confusing to use a year. Heather Shank/There is a deadline in the ordinance where it says you have to notify the parties within ten days of a housing complaint ..... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WSO4797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session Norton/I was worried about.. increase staff work .... Shank/Most of those more specific deadlines apply only to housing .... Thornberry/Just housing and it is 180. Dilkes/So I think we are okay with those deadlines .... Nov/The Commission has been through this... all these numbers work? Dilkes/The Commission is quite supportive. Norton/ Nov/She said ten days is what they do anyway. Thank you. Norton/I want to ask one last question. Can other non-profits discriminate on appropriate grounds7 .... Dilkes/0nly on religious grounds. Norton/No other non-profit can discriminate on some other grounds? .... Dilkes/A non-profit couldn't discriminate on the basis of sex or race. The only exception for no-profit is one affiliated with a religious institution .... Council/ page 74 This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 75 Charitable Contributions 97058 S2 Karr/I would just like to note that it is #18 on your agenda and the policy attached to the resolution reflected the two amendments that did carry two weeks ago even though the resolution failed to get majority vote. Okay. Norton/I just want to go on record saying I think that we should adopt the proposal that came from the staff that allows for giving deductions for agencies that do most of their good works within the watershed, as you might say .... Nov/I also think that it is quite reasonable to say that these have to be charitable organizations and they have to be set up as 501C3 before they are even considered. Thornberry/ Nov/Tax exempt charitable organization. We don't have to limit to the United Way .... Baker/(Can't hear). Nov/ ....It is a public charitable educational organization ....and all of its money is local ..... Norton/ Lehman/I think the guidelines are reasonable ..... Nov/There are so few employees who actually take advantage of it. Baker/It is you all's position that unless you restrict it that way and open it up to contributing to outside Johnson County, that will penalize the local charities or somehow diminish or cut down the amount spent on local charities? .... Council/ Baker/ Lehman/I don't disagree with your principle ....It is going to present a problem with some of our local agencies ..... Baker/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 76 Nov/It is our community funding. I don't see any reason why it shouldn't stay in the community. Baker/It is not our money. Norton/If they want payroll deduction, they have to go within this watershed .... Baker/(Can't hear). Nov/Moving on. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 77 ADoointments 97-58 S2 Nov/Appointments to commissions. We had two applications for HCDC, both of which have conflict of interest. We have one that arrived on our table tonight... shorter position .... Cilek ..... I would like to propose that we appoint the one that does not have the conflict of interest to ..... shorter term.. re-advertise the other one ..... Council/ Karr/So you would like to appoint Dan Cilek to the un-expired term ending September 1, 1998. Nov/ ....appears the other two have conflict of interest ....One applicant for HP Commission... fine for Woodlawn District. Karr/ Nov/One for HCDC and one of HP ..... Thornberry/Anybody know Dan Cilek? Nov/I do not. Do you? Thornberry/I don't know anything about him at all. Kubby/Because Dan might have a conflict, too. He has gotten money from the rehab program. Nov/The criteria is either a board member or an employee. It appears that he is neither .... Thornberry/Just getting this tonight and looking at it. Who put in his address? ....Who did? Did he not know his address? I am just asking. Karr/We put in the address, he neglected to put that in. Thornberry/Just skipped a line. Karr/That is correct. Thornberry/... I don't know. I am saying, does anybody know him? Kubby/Some people could call him. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 78 Nov/ Norton/Your point is well taken .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 79 Council At, enda/Time 97-58 S2 1. Baker/I have a concern about one of the proclamations tomorrow night, the DARE Proclamation ....We are ....sometime in the future scheduled to talk about the DARE Program .... effectiveness ....looking at spending that kind of money ....Just seems a little premature to have a laudatory proclamation and then come back and put ourselves in a position criticizing or questioning or analyzing the program. Nov/We at this point are using the program... harmless to say this is DARE Day or DARE Week .... We did this last year as well. Baker/Where did this come from? Nov/From R. J .... He is willing to be here and accept it .... Kids are still using this program... I see no reason to not do the proclamation. Baker/...DARE program... local effectiveness... not even distributed yet .... Kubby/Most of the whereas' are factual... I could support .... if you just change one little thing .... in second to last whereas .... Norton/I second Larry's concern ..... Nov/Do you want to take out the word effective? Thornberry/ Nov/At this point it is still a program still in use in our city. Vanderhoef/Does this coincide with... graduation... event? Nov/National DARE Day. Norton/ Baker/(Can't hear) ...... Norton/ Nov/We are just saying that this is DARE Day. Norton/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session page 80 Baker/ ....undercutting the impact of a mayor's proclamation and I would rather not do that. Nov/Are you going to say now that you are absolutely certain that you are absolutely certain that the DARE Program is going to be removed? Baker/No .... I have severe reservations about the program... questions... better ways.. alternate ways to spend out money .... Thornberry/Nationally there have been questions about the DARE Program .... Norton/"Whereas the DARE Program teaches positive .... " Lehman/We received in our packet... praised the program... I don't know the longs and the shorts of it ..... Nov/Locally they seem to be supported. Baker/(Can't hear)... questions raised .... But as a drug intervention or education program, I am not convinced this is the way we ought to be spending that money ..... Norton/What is it just teaches positive approaches. Thornberry/If it is a National DARE Day .... go along .... Nov/ Baker/ Kubby/We have not established... haven't had the discussion yet. Norton/...say what we want... "Whereas the DARE Program teaches positive approaches .... " Baker/...don't read the proclamation.. don't have someone here to receive it. Nov/We have got seven proclamations... each read one .... Thornberry/How many people coming to you wanting a proclamation... turned down? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797 April 7, 1997 Council Work Session Nov/Almost none .... If we want to get into that, that is another day. Baker/ Norton/Compromise... deleting some words. Nov/ Norton/Last whereas .... "teaches positive approaches.? Baker/... You all do what you want to do .... Kubby/I would like to have that wording changed. Norton/I would move to delete those words... says, "program teaches positive approaches." Nov/Okay .... Council/ Adjourned: 11:40 PM page 81 This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of April 7, 1997 WS04797