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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1998-01-29 TranscriptionJanuary 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session page I January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session 6:00 PM Council: Lehman, Kubby, Champion, Norton, O'Donnell, Thomberry, Vanderhoef. Staff.' Atkins, Helling, Karr, Schmadeke, Craig, Black, Franklin, Davidson, Fosse, Yucuis. Tapes: 98-19, all; 98-20, Side 1. Budget Discussions 98-19 S1 Atkins/Last meeting you asked about three specially... 1- Napoleon Park parking lot, 2- Iowa River Corridor Trail and 3-Willow Creek Trail .... Chuck will go first. Napoleon Park Schmadeke/There are three elements to the parking lot there. There is the road paving of Napoleon Lane (refers to map) which is extended down to the pump station... $161,000 to pave that road. There is a sidewalk... ties into River Corridor Bike Trail right here .... $25,000. Then there is the parking lot itself which is $255,000 .... asphalt. Lehman/This road is going to serve what besides the soccer fields? Schmadeke/The pump station- (All talking). Lehman/Hoxv much traffic are we going to be talking about? Schmadeke/25-30 homes .... Champion/ .... We don't have one paved parking lot in City Park .... Schmadeke/I looked at the cost of just doing chip seal and if you put in the curb and gutter .... If you put in just a chip seal parking lot... only save $35,000... quality diminishes a lot faster .... Lehman/ ....difference between chip seal and asphalt is S35,0007 Champion/What about gravel? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City. council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session Lehman/We don't allow gravel in the city .... (All talking). Lehman/Seems like an awful lot of money... seasonal use... Kubby/Is that what you are questioning is the road costs? Thornberry/Does concrete last any longer than... black top? .... Schmadeke/Concrete would probably last longer... cost even more than asphalt. This is a five inch asphalt mat .... concrete .... seven inches... Thomberry/ ....trail .... Lehman/The trail coming down is asphalt, is that correct? Schmadeke/(Can't hear). Fosse/l think the majority of that is asphalt. There is some concrete in there .... Kubby/ ....concrete will hold up better to the water. Is that why this section is concrete instead of asphalt? Fosse/That shouldn't be inundated. Kubby/So why not asphalt? Fosse/It could be but the concrete helps delineate a nice border around there .... Norton/How is this going to compare with the soccer fields? .... Schmadeke/Soccer fields already have a rock base. Half the cost of this parking lot is the rock base .... the rock base is already at the south soccer fields. So there you just have the cost of the chip seal. Lehman/It is a lot ofmoney. If we are talking about a $35,000 savings on a $850,000 project, I would go ahead and do asphalt. Thornberry/l would also do asphalt then on the sidewalks. page 2 This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City. council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session Kubby/Staff can make that decision. Lehman/We did choose concrete for the road rather than asphalt. Schmadeke/It holds up better than asphalt ..... heavy tracks going on it. Lehman/ Vanderhoef/The concrete part of the trail does delineate ....safety kind of thing .... Lehman/ Kubby/If this is asphalt then there might be some safety issues .... Vanderhoef/ Lehman/There is a curb next to the sidewalk... Champion/What are these things? (Refers to map). Lehman/ ....something that is in progress right now .... Vanderhoeff Tell me the life span of the concrete versus the life span of the asphalt. Schmadeke/We can get probably 30 years out of a concrete street, 15 out of asphalt. Thomberry/ Norton/We are setting a pretty good precedent here .... Better be ready to deal with this same situation wherever .... Kubby/It matters what the use of the lot is. Norton/ Thomberry/The one down on the softball fields, that doesn't need to be concrete. Norton/That is where we are talking about. page 3 Lehman/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session page 4 Schmadeke/The rock base is already in there. Lehman/ .... already have the rock base. That expense is already in .... looking at difference between chip seal and asphalt, even for that is going to be... a similar nature as this one. Schmadeke/All you have down there is chip seal which is- Lehman/ .... so the difference in the cost of covering for those two materials is- Here you say it is S35,000. Schmadeke/I am going to have to put some numbers to it. I can check that out .... The chip seal, itself is $41,000. The asphalt is $135- But there is $60,000 worth of rock. Lehman/Don't you have to have the rock for both of them. Schmadeke/The rock is already in at the soccer fields. Norton/We are talking here though, aren't you? Lehman/You have to have a rock base for either chip seal or asphalt, don't you? Schmadeke/No. Norton/ Lehman/You need the rock base for asphalt but you don't need it for chip seal. Schmadeke/The other way. Vanderhoef/He has already got rock down at the Kicker fields. Lehman/I am just talking about this project, period. Norton/Here he says asphalt, there is no rock involved. It is just all asphalt ....The other way you put in rock and then cover it with oil. Lehman/I misunderstood. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City. council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session page 5 Schmadeke/The pad on this is probably a 3 inch asphalt base, which would take care of the rock, and then a 2 inch asphalt surface. Lehman/If we did chip seal here (refers to map), what would you do? Schmadeke/6 inches of rock and chip seal surface. Lehman/Okay .... O'Donne!l/Asphalt lasts longer than chip seal. Lehman/Much easier to maintain, too ..... All right, next. Trail Systems Davidson/Real briefly give a little overview... We have a couple of major trail systems of which there are parts of those systems already built, parts which are going to be built this year and parts which are planned for the future and will be part of your decision making .... (Refers to map). This is the Iowa River Corridor Trail... backbone trail for the community. Blue in through here... completed .... yellow trail... going in this year .... red trails here... ones that in conjunction with the Water Project or the Peninsula Development are scheduled to be built... access roads that are needed for the Water Project that will double as the River Corridor Trail .... parts... low volume chip seal streets .... Did not work out in our negotiations with the Elks Club to have a trail go along with the fiver in this area .... reconstruction of Foster road .... eight foot sidewalk on one side... double .... These will be the access roads needed for the wells .... Area fight through here... work with private property owners .... (Refers to map)... City of Coralville does have a project... to bring the trails from this point up to Edgewater Park ....That will be part of what they do. Norton/Tell me about the red in the south, will you? Davidson/There are areas in through here... decided by the committee...elected bodies... in this kind of heavily traveled area it is probably a good idea to get as much trail as ~ve can on both sides of the river .... It is also hoped to bring a trail down on the west side of the fiver to Sturgis Ferry Park .... still do hope to put this part in eventually. Also want to point out, Johnson County has presently acquired some funds... to bring this from this point out to West Overlook ....really part of a regional trail system .... Kubby/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City. council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session page 6 Vanderhoef/Would you like to show where the bridge goes across the fiver? Davidson/The Willow Creek Trail system... newer concept .... have an existing portion of this trail... going to be built this construction season from Hwy 218 to Benton Street... Existing trails that is in .... but it will be reconstructed .... better .... We then have... fiver crossing right here... Actual crossing of the fiver... decision by city council. By spending some money now .... save us some money, about Sl 00,000. Have to spend how much to save the S 100,0007 Schmadeke/The bridge itself is $400,000 ..... Davidson/If you want to build the bridge now... put piers in now .... While we are doing the sewer project. You will have to spend some money to save some money .... have to decide .... Bridge across the river right here which then enables us to take the trail through this area (refers to map) .... access road... part of the sewer project. Schmadeke/We will have an access road from South Riverside Drive. Davidson/There are then three projects currently in your out years, you would need to decide to prioritize them. This from that point to that point... $95,000. This point to Hwy 1 ... $455,000 and the green in through here .... $85,000. If you want to build anymore parts of the Willow Creek Trail... subsequent decision making... as well as the river crossing. O'Donnell/ Davidson/Building this year. Vanderhoef/ Norton/Getting the west side trail down there is going to be sticky. VanderhoefY Davidson/West side trail is only scheduled to go to Sturgis Ferry park... like to take it down to Mesquawkie Park .... Lehman/Real question is whether or not we are willing to spend S200,000 for piers for a bridge may not be constructed for 10 or so years. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City. council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session page 7 Davidson/We are going to have the bridge closed off in parts for a coffer dams to put the sewer in. If you want to build just the piers of the bridge during that time .... that would be $200,000. It would save you $100,000 down the road. If you want to do that plus a bridge over the top, that would be S400,000... It would go out to Riverside Drive .... This is going to be constructed for access to the sewer. Vanderhoef/Is this not one of the bfidges that you rescued, Rick? Fosse/We got three bridges that we used on Melrose Avenue and those will be used this summer on the Iowa River Corridor Trail. That will save us about $18,000 .... We will be putting in a temporary pedestrian bridge as part of the WooIf Avenue Reconstruction .... I don't know that they would fit just fight here .... O'Donne!l/Going to be a path on both sides. Seems like you could go up here and walk across the bridge and come down, doesn't it? .... Davidson/Right now there is nothing along the west side of the river, south of ..Benton Street right there (refers to map). O'Donne!l/I don't know how necessary the bridge is. Norton/Eventually .... O'Donnell/You got a path on both sides of the fiver. What is it, two blocks? (All talking). Norton/How far is that down river from there? Davidson/It just depends where you want to make that river crossing .... (refers to map). Kubby/I think we should think about putting the piers in but not do the bfidge work yet ..... You could cross over from Napoleon Park to get to Riverside Drive .... Norton/We have a long time before we get the trail all the way around the airport ..... Davidson/There is nothing in your program of projects right now for any of this part (refers to map). Vanderhoef/This will be following the realignment of Dane Road or not? (Refers to map). This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session page 8 Davidson/No, we have assumed that would be somewhere in the drainage channel .... probably have some flexibility there. Norton/ Davidson/Chuck has indicated that it is not imperative that we do- In other words, the trail is not needed for access .... Lehman/I think there might be some advantages to letting that sewer settle a year or Schmadeke/ Lehman/So the question you really have is do we want to spend S200,000 putting piers in for a bridge for a trail that is not currently in our CIP .... Davidson/This is how these projects are scheduled right now. If you wish to change them, you will need to change them. Thomberry/I don't see any sense of sticking a white elephant in the river until it is needed ..... Norton/Is that the only way to build a bridge? .... Schmadeke/l am sure they could. Whether it is any cheaper? .... Kubby/I mean if we really want to... policy statements that says we want to go from our current 3% of people commuting on bicycles to 10%, the only way to do that is to provide facility ..... People don't want to ride on Riverside Drive .... not perceived as safe .... Eventually these trails are going to be that commuting route as well as for recreation .... So I think these are wonderful investment .... make neighborhoods less congested and arterial streets less congested during certain parts of the year .... Lehman/ .... My problem... far enough out into the future .... I don't see it being a transportation issue because it doesn't go anywhere yet .... Kubby/ Lehman/I guess I don't see that there is a substantial savings if that trail is not done for 10 - 12 years .... It isn't even in the CIP right now .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session page 9 Vanderhoef/The thing that I am looking at... We do have a new housing development going in down here... lower cost housing... place where we have a lot of children... Also are opening up some territory down here .... It is talking about growth of people .... Kubby/To put in the schedule upward when some of these trails are built... facilitating development in that area of the community .... need to also put in other kinds of facilities .... Jobs that are going to be created here .... people can get to work without using their cars .... Thomberry/ Norton/I don't know ifl am willing to make a final decision .... If you try to cross a river 5 to 10 years fi'om now, it is going to cost you considerably more than $200,000 .... Lehman/ Norton/ ....pretty thin rationale within the foreseeable future ..... Kubby/There is some residentially zoned land down here .... south of the Airport .... Lehman/There is a 40 acres spot down there .... That is not a factor in this... Davidson/Fairground property is shown as eventually possible converting .... Lehman/ Franklin/The Schuchert property and there is some other property... south of Dane's property... conceptually plan for industrial and residential .... Lehman/ Champion/If we are going to spend $200,000 .... I am not totally familiar with the trail line... I would rather spend $200,000 to connect some of the different pieces that are done ....make it more user friendly right now rather than doing another part of a trail ....$200,000 can build a lot of trail ....Everybody has good reasons to build it here ....money better used in a different way... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session page 10 Davidson/Once the city completes Foster Road .... (refers to map)... Developer will be required .... top part... to connect it down into the lower part here .... The missing link is between this point here .... It will be possible once the city completes all of these ....to get from Napoleon Park to the Dam except for this link in through here. Champion/Personally I think that would be a better way to spend that $200,000. Lehman/ Norton/How far... is that from the potential site for a bridge crossing? .... Davidson/At the base of the Sycamore L there. Norton/ .... for the trail and road to some somehow connect and cross the bridge together rather than have two bridge crossings. Davidson/South Central Area District Plan .... essentially gives you two options for that river crossing ....Both are suitable with respect to fitting into the arterial street system .... Norton/ Kubby/Careful... when we look at the whole stretch .... convenience .... extra amount of energy that it takes ....if you do it in too many places ....If we can create fewer inconveniences. Norton/ ....swinging bridges .... Lehman/I guess we need to give an indication of how we feel about this. Champion/I would rather spend the money somewhere else. Thomberry/Pass on the pilings. Vanderhoef/I will go either way. O'Donnell/I would rather finish someplace else .... Lehman/Karen, you would rather do it now? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session Kubby/Yes .... Lehman/I think we will wait on the pilings. Davidson/Would you like us in some point in the future see if we can develop a project down there? Lehman/Particularly when this Water Plant site- Davidson/That is really the only gap. (All talking). Lehman/Okay. Atkins/One more before we got to the projects list, Beer Creek. Lehman/The other one I thought we were going to talk about, the Iowa River Trail. We talked about the southern portion of that. We received a memo not very long ago concerning the cost of property acquisition for that portion of the trail that goes between Burlington Street and Benton Street .... that is going to be... much more expensive project. Davidson/That is true. You have seen the memo from Jeff McClure and I .... S 190,000 now and we thought it was going to be around S50,000 .... Fosse/The early guess was S50,000 ...... S230,000. Davidson/It was an increase of $190- Norton/ ....Ill go back to the CIP... #1597 1 want to be sure we are talking about the same one .... Davidson/This is the River Corridor Trail Project which has about S750,000 in federal funds on it .... balance is about $1.9 million is local money. Norton/ .... Up by $718,000 ..... putting $420,000 against that from Road Use taxes... up considerably from budget in December .... Vanderhoef/In September we had some figures. page 11 This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session page 12 Davidson/Remember, we haven't let that project yet. It is scheduled I think for a March letting. Kubby/That particular piece of the trail is probably going to be one of the busier ones. Lehman/ .... one of the least busy .... east side, there are far more people on foot and far more bicycles than there is on the west side of the river .... extremely expensive project .... bridges, retaining walls .... property owners .... Thomberry/This is the taking of property that people don't want to give for a trail .... Kubby/We are talking about the east side of Riverside Drive from Burlington to Benton and you are saying it is the least used part? Lehman/I go over that street twice every day .... Kubby/There are tons of pedestrians on that trail .... Lehman/Ask the people who have businesses there .... Kubby/ ....I see people walking down there .... Thomberry/There are not a lot of people walking down ..... Master Muffler is going to cost us a million dollars .... Kubby/Where does that come from? Thomberry/That comes from saying hey, I don't want you going through my property. It is going to be condemnation .... Kubby/Where did you get the figure of a million dollars? .... Thomberry/ (All talking). Norton/ .... go along there behind Dairy Queen .... we had had this struggle before .... hard to do. But how much is it up now from that stretch down to Benton Street? Davidson/That is 5; 190,000. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session page 13 Norton/ ....that is related to condemnation costs? Davidson/That is the appraisals for the properties. Lehman/That is different from condemnation. Kubby/ Thornberry/What do you do with the gully? .... gully on east side of Riverside Drive, west of the river along that corridor .... Retaining wall and fill... Fosse/The costs are already in the estimate. We got the three pedestrian bridges from the Melrose Avenue Project... behind Master Muffler .... south of Dairy Queen ....help span Ralston Creek .... Thomberry/We have already got a sidewalk along Riverside Drive .... We could make that sidewalk a little wider ..... Davidson/That would be virtually impossible to do .... a couple of properties .... Linders .... Master Muffler... are three feet back of the property line .... Thomberry/ .... it is a possibility .... as opposed to condemning the property that they do not want condemned for a trail behind their business ....I just have a problem condemning private property for a trail. Kubby/Weren't some those same people saying we don't want the trail in front .... create a lot of conflicts .... We had it in front for awhile .... safety issues, so we moved it in back and now they are saying they don't want it. Then it is our decision .... Champion/Terrible safety issue. There are a lot of driveways .... Davidson/We have had a number of conversations... He has kind of expressed different sentiments are different times .... Originally that individual said if you are going to do the trails, put it behind the property. Then he said... in front of the property .... then... behind the property. We have each time changed the design to accommodate that individual. Kubby/We need to make a public policy decision about this. Norton/ ....Any of those streets still streets? Are they all abandoned? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session DavidsoW Old Benton Street r.o.w ..... process of vacating .... Norton/ ....trying to avoid some of the heaviest. Davidson/We have taken a look at going along Riverside Drive on a trail and you have a memo... we cannot recommend that. Having a designated trail going in front of all of those properties... safety impact .... (All talking-looking at map). Lehman/What we are really talking about... increased cost of that section .... a lot of money... looking at a minimum of another $200,000 for that section. That is a plan that we approved before the S200,000 increased cost. If we want to go forward with it, we go forward. If we don't, now is the time to say we don't want to go forward with it. Kubby/Two over here that want to go forward. Thomberry/I have a problem in condemning property for a trail. O'Donnell/I do, too. Lehman/You don't want to put the trail in? O'Donne!l/Not that portion .... Lehman/ Thornberry/ Norton/That is suggesting, Dean, that you don't want a trail very much. Thomberry/As long as the sidewalk is there ..... from Napoleon Park on up, there is neither .... If there is a sidewalk there, I don't see any problem in using a sidewalk. Norton/ ....They are saying the sidewalk is not suitable .... Lehman/ Fosse/One thing.. proceeding as we are going now and we are going to know a lot more on prices in a couple of months .... awards... bid prices... estimating the cost of the page 14 This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session page 15 thai is more of a guess than a mile of road .... infrequent .... might be high... low. In a few months we will have a firm handle on what the cost is .... Lehman/ .....When bids come in... those can be rejected .... Fosse/We can do a change order and delete that portion of the trail or amend it .... Lehman/We are talking about CIP... could leave this in... when it comes to us, if the cost of this property is more than we feel is worth for that section... could be deleted .... That is a possibility? Fosse/Yes. Vanderhoef/And can we .... ISTEA funds... switch back over to Willow Creek? .... Davidson/ .... IDOT is getting a little tired of it ..... Last change we made was the third one in that particular project and they weren't happy ....We can certainly try to go back to them one more time. Lehman/If we know... if four people know... that they do not want this section put in because of costs, now is the time to say so. If we say and see what the costs actually are in a future time, then decide to do it or not to do it ....I don't see us going through a lot of work if we are not going to do it .... Yhornberry/ .... difference between a friendly condemnation and unfriendly condemnation .... CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 98-19 SIDE 2 Thomberry/There is a lot of people who are going to be using the road versus the trail .... If it is a friendly condemnation.. that may be a different story. Kubby/ ....Ifyou are knocking the trail idea, it is not going to help us get a friendly condemnation. You could help the city save a lot of money in your relationship with this person .... Thomberry/I am not going to talk him into anything dealing with his property .... Kubby/l am suggesting that how you talk about the trail can make or break whether it is a friendly or unfriendly condemnation .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session page 16 O'Donnell/I have a friend who has a building down here that the trail would run behind and he had his building plans all designed and ready to go. The trail was then to run behind his building. He moved his building out, reduced the size of his parking lot .... now the trail is on the other side of the river .... expense .... Lehman/We are either going to say no tonight ..... wait for the project to come back and then reassess it. It appears to me we might be wise to leave where it is fight now until it comes back .... important... some concern about the cost of this project .... idea &condemning property .... willing to leave it in the CIP. Beer Creek Fosse/I have no drawings with me tonight on the Beer Creek Storm Sewer .... State Historical Society .... We did a lot of work on the sewer but we haven't had any good rains to really test it. It is a problem that has gone on for decades ....we will know how these repairs perform .... We can consider... in FY99 or 2000 .... If the repairs perform well, we may want to leave it where it presently is in the CIP. Lehman/Your recommendation is leave it where it is, is that correct? Fosse/Until- Lehman/Does everybody agree with Rick? Thank you, Rick, very much. If what we have works, there is no point in doing anything .... Fosse/I think it is in Beyond .... Vanderhoef/#323. Norton/We might want to consider moving it up. Lehman/ Norton/Do you have any numbers? Fosse/About S300,000. (All talking). Fosse/That takes the sewer about another block. Lehman/Does that also go through our parking lot? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session page 17 Fosse/Through our parking lot and then out into Gilbert Street .... Iowa Avenue Project, we are going to need to upgrade the storm sewer along Iowa Avenue... That will force this project along. Kubby/Steve, could we write a letter to the Historical Society saying we are going to wait to see how the repairs work and decide next year. Arkins/All right, we owe them an answer. Kubby/ General Budget Discussion 98-19 S2 Atkins/Ernie, as I recall, we left .... specific projects .... put these back up for you. We had the four categories: those things we had to do, those things we would like to do... These are the had to do .... (refers to overhead "Maintenance of Public Services.") Lehman/ .... There are items listed on the FY99 CIP that necessarily will not be incurred in 99... Do we want to leave them showing for that period because they may in fact be started even though they won't be paid for? .... bump them into another year? l think leaving them where they are indicates some sort of commitment to that priority on the CIP ..... We should identify .. those projects that will not take place in FY99 even though they are listed that way. Atkins/I think from this list is the Airport Master Plan ..... Opportunity driven project. The three 99-ers that are up there now are Scott Blvd. sidewalk-S60,000; Summit Street Bridge-S 1.1 million; and WooIf Avenue Reconstruction at $600,000 .... Lehman/I don't see anything change on that. Norton/We talked the other night. Does Westminister happen in '98 or is this going to happen in 99? .... Had a little note from Rick .... Lehman/We will get to that one. Vanderhoef/ ....flagged as a possibility to free up staff's time if we moved it another year out. Kubby/What are the neighborhood consequences of letting that go another year? Are their people getting back-up? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City. council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session page 18 Fosse/There are people getting occasional back-ups .... Surprised at pre-design meeting at the lack of turnout there .... This seems like a pretty good candidate .... Vanderhoef/I would be willing to take that chance .... Kubby/I am with Dee. Norton/So would I. Lehman/Okay. Norton/When you look at these projects .... sanitary sewer things may get worse in wet weather .... cross connects .... Maybe we want to get started. Fosse/ .... We have been exploring this water shed that is upstream from the Civic Center here .... finding up by Happy Hollow Park... where we have some cross connects. We are trying to figure out how to deal with those ....We are investigating that one right now .... Norton/Is River Street ....deferrable? Fosse/Yes. Kubby/ Fosse/Work on sanitary sewer on River Street needs to occur simultaneously with the paving because of the investment we are making with the surface up there. The entire project looks better suited for next year in order to give us the opportunity to work out the above ground/below ground electrical issues .... Norton/So there are two projects, that one and the Westminister that could be moved into 99 .... Fosse/Right .... neighborhood... folks driving off the road a little bit because there are no curbs on that street... majority of neighborhood doesn't care a lot whether it goes this year or next year. Kubby/If we moved two of them, would that mean that inspectors would to be busy enough? Should we only move- This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City. council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session page 19 Fosse/River Street Project is one that we are subbing the engineering and inspection on .... Vanderhoef/Didn't we talk about moving the Hwy I/First Avenue out one year .... that was one of your in-house engineering projects .... Norton/The Burlington Street Dam Safety is moved out .... The turn lanes on First Avenue, is that still in 987 Vanderhoef/One of them is the turn lane on the First Avenue one. That was the Hwy. 6/Sunset. Norton/Sunset is delayed, isn't it? .... Atkins/Both those projects are in that second category. Vanderhoef/Your memo is backwards. You have got Hwyl/First Avenue .... Atkins/Remember your categories .... Thornberry/One on the other sheet... Library Carpeting and HVAC .... Could we see if there is an interest- There is in FY99 a library remodel... Could we do that at the same time and do the HVAC and carpeting for the remodel? Yucuis/Susan Craig is here. She did send us a memo this week requesting that we defer the HVAC and carpeting until we have the discussion of the referendum. The computer and the ICN Room, they would like to proceed with those this coming summer and have funds available July I on the computer, so they can go ahead ... ICN Room, they would like to have that up and running by January of 99. Thornberry/So you can do without the remodeling and HVAC? It is not that important? I thought that was critical. Craig/It is critical if we are going to stay in the building ..... comfort .... carpet getting dangerous in spots .... we can do repairs again if we had a building solution that we knew was coming along. And if the decision is not to do a building solution, then we need to do the carpet... We are trying be prudent. The computer system is critical to our everyday functioning ....It can be moved ....The carpet, I just hate to see us do it and then rip it all up again. Thornberry/Telephone answering machine .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa Cit3' council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session page 20 Champion/The ICN Room .... Vanderhoeff The ICN thing, we asked a couple of questions .... whether the line could be brought in but not installed or how much time we had before we had to make a decision of where it was to be installed. Craig/Barb Black, Audio-Visual Services Coordinator, did some research... latest word from the state is that they will give you 90 days from the time it is installed to the time that you are required to turn it on ..... talking to legislators about library issues... Neuhauser...Dvorsky... they are pretty sure there will be no more money allocated for ICN classrooms .... It will just go somebody else. Norton/Let's grab it. Kubby/It is time to do it. Champion/It is. Vanderhoeff I looked around... Could you put that ICN equipment in to one of your existing meeting rooms? .... Craig/We looked first at putting it in one of the meeting rooms... problem .... Problem is you have to have an equipment room for the equipment that the state provides that is next to an outdoor wall .... The small meeting rooms are very small and we don't want to take the big meeting room .... Vanderhoef/ Craig/At that end of the building, we don't have a room to designate for equipment .... PATV area is really as if it were designed for this... separate entrance, equipment room .... studio will be the actual meeting room. Norton/Sounds like a natural. Champion/And it could be open when the library is not open? Craig/It could be. Black/Savings from putting it in one of the existing meeting rooms would only be S8,000 ..... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session page 21 Vanderhoef/How much are you going to charge for the use of this room? Black/That will be a decision that the Library Board will have to make. The State allows you to recoup .... $10.00 an hour. Vanderhoef/ Black/Our Library meeting rooms .... without charge ....policy .... Vanderhoef/But this is an ICN Room, this is different ....ongoing expenses for equipment... Black/The Library Board would have to consider that policy as well as... origination site .... Vanderhoef/...cost of the program ..... charge-back .... I am just really not in favor of taking that space at this point in time until we know what is happening with all space on first floor. Norton/I thought we knew that PATV was moving out. Vanderhoef/I am just not ready to commit it to ICN .... when I see some other critical needs .... Craig/I agree there are other critical needs ....The ICN Room had been in our Building Program... signed up 3 years ago ....This is simply the last time we may have an opportunity .... Black/The terminal that they put in can pretty easily be moved ......Really what we have invested ..... Vanderhoef/ ....what if it went across the street or in a totally different building? Black/If it were located in a totally different location, then the general Linn Street area that we are in, that would certainly have an impact ....line is brought to the street... cost won't be real significant if we have to move it. Norton/ Vanderhoef/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session page 22 Lehman/All right. We got three yeas, we got a nay. O'Donnell/I am in favor of it. Lehman/Next. Yucuis/The ICN Room, that was ao Lehman/Yes. Yucuis/Just a side note on the computer and the ICN Room, we have it in the FY99 budget and with the Library wanting to proceed on that earlier, what we will need to have them proceed is to do a reimbursement resolution. We will fund it from cash on hand and we will sell bonds in 99- Lehman/We believe you, don't confuse us with the facts. Arkins/ Norton/I am looking for Sycamore. Atkins/Sycamore doesn't show up until the last two .... third priority. Lehman/Railings are going to be moved to the same year we do the... bridge renovation. Atkins] Correct, you already decided that. (Refers to "Maintenance and Enhancement of Public Services".) Norton/And we have made a decision about Napoleon Park, fight? Atkins/Yes. Norton/Are we ready for Sandusky Storm Sewer? Is it still on there? .... Fosse/That one we are exploring options of floodproofing the individual homes rather than altering the storm sewer in the entire neighborhood... We are not through that process yet of evaluating those homes. Norton/It may change? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session Fosse/Right. Lehman/But it would probably be wise to leave it there .... Fosse/Right now we are planning on moving ahead with that this year .... Kubby/Didn't we request to get more written justification and rationalization for what is going to happen with the Civic Center third floor and we haven't seen that? Atkins/We have a separate presentation planned for you .... O'Donnell/What is $50,000 for Hickory Hills Trails? Atkins/ ....improvement of the trails in Hickory Hill park. O'Donnell/To what surface? Arkins/That is being debated .... O'Donnell/I want to see that one. Lehman/ ....maintenance .... Atkins/ ....sensitive issue... they have not come up with a recommendation. Champion/l have problems moving something out of the General Fund to put it in the Debt Fund .... Atkins/We have done a good bit of that. (All talking). Atkins/That was a deliberate council position. Champion/...maintenance, I have problems with .... I have problems with bonding to do maintenance .... page 23 Kubby/ ....things that are re-development .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City. council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session page 24 Atkins/Maintenance is a term that I also use... We are continuing a public service that we already have and we are going to enhance it .....I encourage you ....it is a fine line... Champion/ Lehman/I think the word maintenance ..... replacing HVAC ..... maintenance... really is replacement .... capitol improvements .... Norton/ ....useful life... substantial... should be debt. (All talking). Norton/l am not clear what is happening with Sturgis Ferry Park but I trust not much. Atkins/Sturgis Ferry Park. I have a two person committee .... have been in charge of developing this project for at least a year and I have anxiously awaited their recommendations .... Seriously, Sturgis Ferry Park certainly needs work .... Terry and Karin had done some preliminary sketches... running into the Airport now because the runway protection zone goes over that. We wanted to see improvements .... light thing in the middle of the park... We do want to clean the park up .... Norton/Straighten that building? Vanderhoef/The gazebo keeps sliding off.... Atkins/We have straightened that building .... (All talking). Lehman/Does this consist of planting trees and shrubs? Arkins/Yes .... It is an entranceway... large tract of public land, located along a river. We should encourage the public to use the thing. Champion/ Vanderhoef/It is the same as Mesquawkie because we took that out of the book .... Arkins/You made it go away. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session page 25 Kubby/There was a plan at Sturgis Ferry... put these big benns .... object to that... I think we need to have good looking recycling containers .... time for them to be replaced ....We shouldn't be building berms on our entranceways to hide solid waste. Thomberry/We require fences around the dumpsters all over town .... Lehman/We would like to enhance the appearance of that area. Atkins/We understand what you want. Norton/Benton Street we agreed to move to do some preliminary planning. Atkins/Benton Street is to be in 01 but you authorized us to begin the project planning immediately and we are doing that. O'Donne!l/$475,000 in Cemetery Expansion. What is that? Atkins/Cemetery Expansion, that is the 10 acres, a road, grading, it is a project that will come back to you ultimately for approval .... Kubby/ ....come back to us with some options of grading the whole thing... doing the whole road .... Atkins/ ....that is what I told Terry .... Vanderhoef/ Norton/I am greatly concerned. Captain Irish, the price is up ....What is happening to the intersection? That is up $700,000. Atkins/The Dodge-ACT/Dubuque Intersection .... it is up substantially because you have to put additional lanes, drainage .... all the other improvements that go with it .... Norton/It is up $700,000 from the estimates... Atkins/It is way up. Vanderhoeff Those estimates had not been updated for about six years .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, i 998 Council Budget Work Session Atkins/ ....When we met with the DOT, they imposed their regulations .... O'Donne!l/Is there any projected completion date on Captain Irish Parkway? Atkins/The Captain Irish Parkway, as you now know it, is out for bid .... Remainder of the project is in your out years .... Vanderhoeff In our last packet... Phase 1 ... Phase 3 of Captain Irish .....It was originally numbered .... Atkins/This one is Phase 1. We will have to correct those to make sure we all- Norton/The intersection is Phase 1 .... Davidson/From Dodge Street to where First Avenue would come up, Phase 1. From that point to ACT's east property line is Phase 2. From that point, across the Kral Farm to Scott Blvd. Extended is Phase 3. Atkins/This is just the intersection. Norton/ ....most of these ....went up .... Atkins/Remember, this went up .... relocated Captain Irish around those properties .... (All talking). Atkins/(Refers to "Creating A Development Opportunity Through City Initiatives".) Norton/Sycamore Storm Water Project, surely that will run well beyond 98 .... Atkins/You are getting a memo on Friday telling you that the Corps of Engineers changed the rules on us. So we no longer have a nationwide permitting process. We have to go to an individual permitting process. Norton/I thought we were going to submit that in March. Atkins/ ....Have to spend another $25,000 to $30,000 to meet the different permitting requirements before we can do anything. page 26 Norton/ ....so not in FY98, no way. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session page 27 Atkins/I can't imagine. Lehman/There are several things that are indicated for FY98 or FY99 that will not occur during those years .... Atkins/There are elements of that project that are under way as we speak, so that it why it is identified. Norton/ Vanderhoef/ ....planning and permitting in a certain dollar amount. Atkins/That is something that we have talked about doing in general on all of the CIP .... Something we need to think about .... this year is the planning and engineering for that project. The actual construction, including those costs, are shown. That doesn't mean that we have set aside $1.2 million. That means we have identified $1.2 million as a cost of the project. Its financing will come at a later date. Norton/ ....spread out over a number of years. Vanderhoef/ ....Benton Street Project .... Atkins/Benton Street is shown on the other list. Vanderhoef/ ....But we know we are spending money .... Norton/ Arkins/The newest project are certainly the Water Plant Site, Waste Water and .... Airport Development. Lehman/ .....What I hear ....Airport ....not spending the money in 99. Atkins/99 goes this construction season and the following summer. We could be the ground in a springtime .... Lehman/That project might be 99/00 .... Norton/ ....Capital budget shows you roughly what you are going to commit that year .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session page 28 Thomberry/How much of the Airport Master Plan Improvement are you going to do in this year? (All talking). Champion/ .... You are committing that money and that is the big difference ..... Arkins/We start spending on those projects .... based on the fact they remain on that list in that particular FY .... engineering and planning expense .... Norton/ ....Didn't we have something in here, $65,000, for Ned Aston Park? Atkins/(Yes). Norton/Wouldn't that be changed if we changed our mind about the trail on the west side? Kubby/Not until we make that decision. Norton/So that will have to wait until we come back to that. Kubby/Leave it there .... Davidson/You can go ahead and put that park project in .... intended... trail... Kubby/A lot of people work and eat around that area .... (All talking). Vanderhoef/ Lehman/She was designing the park. Norton/Library Expansion is on there .... in debt service discussion, you say it is not... other places I see it. I can't tell if it is in our numbers .... Atkins/It is not in the growth of the debt service levy and I show these projects as projects that are pending. A referendum is required .... In that budget that you have, that $17 million of the Library/CenterSpace Project is shown as a CIP. But the form of financing requires a referendum. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session page 29 Norton/ ....Waste Water Plant .... Atkins/They could come together at the same time. Norton/I want to see the figures for what would be the impact to throw that in there. Atkins/We have to prepare that .... Lehman/All that would come as publicity surrounding the referendum. Atkins/You all will have to meet in next couple of months or so .... November of this year, there will be a vote. You have to fashion that vote. We are preparing some staff work for you to bring to you... It is coming up. I also wanted to mention to you the Iowa Avenue Parking Garage, Block 102 Parking Garage, Downtown Streetscape and Iowa Avenue Streetscape are all up for discussion next council meeting. They are separate. O'Donnell/Why is First Avenue Extension in 2002? Atkins/In accordance with the referendum ..... You can't build it any sooner than the year 2000 and according to the referendum it is back in the CIP in the...FY02. You can consider in year 2000. Norton/ ....Library... sales tax issue. Atkins/After you have adopted the budget, I am going to be presenting a good deal of information on those issues for you .... l am not real sure how to get it all packaged together... serious policy question you all deal with. That is all I have on the Capital. Norton/Did we decide that Southgate Extension was critical? Arkins/Yes. Norton/ ....could it be flipped for a year? Davidson/We are assuming that Southgate is going to go through .... wanting to evaluate signalization on either Southgate or Stevens ....Area between Stevens and Southgate access-wise... tighter .... Norton/Southgate Extension will open up other properties .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session page 30 Davidson/Property owner .... he knows they are not going to have unlimited access .... Vanderhoef/ ....important connection ....on Gilbert Street .... Lehman/Rick... have we left you with staff to do the kinds of things .....for 98 and 99? Fosse/It appears it is manageable at this point ..... Lehman/ Norton/Hwy. 6 Improvements are in here at several places .... Atkins/We had budgeted $4 million. We were going to do $3.6- in debt and $400,000 in Road Use. What you have done is shifted it one year so ..borrowing is down S900,000. We have put in $50- to pay our share of the study .... Thomberry/Would the first part of that project would be to handle the water? Fosse/It would happen simultaneously ..... Thornberry/Do the water thing all the way first and then come back another part .... Fosse/We would do a section at a time is our plan right now .... A lot of the expense is getting grass and everything growing... effort .... Nice to do it at once .... Vanderhoef/ Fosse/Find out from the street study... program those with this project... design to accommodate them ..... Norton/$96,000 for Melrose West. What is left to be done out there.'? Fosse/It is pretty well wrapped up .... accepting project at February 10 meeting... Money is in this FY because it is stuff already spent .... a little work in the spring. Atkins/I had two other issues for you .... memo on Aid to Agencies budgets. Kubby/ ....$20,000 contingency fund... carry-over ....no new moneys .... Norton/It is a good move. We thank you folks .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa CiD' council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session page 31 CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 98-20 SIDE 1 (All talking). Norton/It is an impressive process .... Vanderhoef/What was real specific about the huge increase HACAP asked for? Kubby/When they took over housing from the Public Housing Authority, HACAP got 18 units from the city ....support services ....ended up coming back to us for that Housing position ....We said no ....We did give them a little bit increase... providing more service .... Vanderhoef/Neighborhood Centers... what was that? Kubby/ Thornberry/Don't know ..... Karen did hers completely independent of me and we came together .... we were within $10 of each other .... unbelievably close .... Lehman/I wouldn't want to even begin to tamper with something so carefully arrived at. (All talking). Parkland Acquisition Fund 98-20 SI Atkins/You need to make a decision on that. Kubby/We got a letter from Project Green. I am afraid that people feel that we are abandoning parkland .... It is shifting how we pay for it ....We are not any less committed to it .... Atkins/ .... I met with Matt, Rex and Terry...I stepped them through a great deal of detail .... This isn't a lack of commitment... pay for it in another fashion .... major project... finance it... Norton/How much we got in that reserve? .... Atkins/S400,000. Vanderhoef/Has it changed your thinking .... Acquisition funds could be used for linear- This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City. council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session page 32 Atkins/No. Vanderhoeff To me that makes a big big difference .... recommendation from P/R and the history .... Atkins/I think we made it very clear that it was going to be a hit on the General Fund... figure out a way to do it .... decent recommendation.. already putting money in Mercer Park .... Norton/I thought a lot about it .... There is a reserve that enables them to capitalize on quick opportunities. Atkins/We have reserves .... on any opportunity... It must come to you .... I explained to them... deliberate process .... Lehman/ Atkins/You must approve it. Lehman/Process of purchasing or acquiring parkland... is a function of council .... Kubby/ ....fund... land in already developed areas .... harder to say yes to GO bonds .... could make a difference in saying yes or no .... Vanderhoef/A difference also in our total bonding at that point .... Kubby/We are talking S45,000 a year... I need to find $45,000 in the budget to make up for it and I don't know where I would find it. Atkins/ ....General Fund position was $60- to the good. $15- to S20- of that you have spent Lehman/Mercer Park? Atkins/$1.5 million for the gym. Lehman/ .... part of Parks and Recreation... help fund the operation of that .... This $45,000 still goes to Parks and Rec .... worthwhile project .... Norton/I think it is reasonable also .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, ! 998 Council Budget Work Session page 33 Atkins/The Parkland Acquisition Fund was created by the city council .... initially funded with sale of Central Junior High site .... seed money .... passage of Hotel Motel Lehman/Do we agree that this is what we plan to do? Champion/Yes. Lehman/One not sure, one no and five- Kubby/I become a no. Lehman/Okay, two no and five go. Atkins/That is all I have on my list. Vanderhoef/Appears we have got four really big projects out there: parking ramp, streetscape, Iowa Avenue... Civic Center. Are we going to have all of that information before we settle this? Atkins/I believe we can settle that because we have not committed to capital financing .... Those first three, you are going to get those next week .. following week the Civic Center/Police Department Expansion as a separate project for review... Vanderhoef/ Atkins/We will publish. Lehman/Are we going to publish based on what we got through this evening? Atkins/I would hope you would. You can always go down, you can't go up .... Champion/ Yucuis/Tentative schedule for the budget is February 10 meeting, set the p.h. for February 24 .... have budget available... ten days before the 24th .... Publication notice in the paper ten days before the p.h .... adopt in March. Kubby/Does that include the budget plus the CIP? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session page 34 Yucuis/Right. Thomberry/And the special projects .... Atkins/We have money in there for those projects. Kubby/ Norton/ ....housing ....Recommendations from the Housing Forum. Arkins/The Housing Forum... 12th... Of those projects, really only one that would require significant attention... Do you choose to sell GO Debt to create capital fund for housing projects and that is later on ..... If you choose to do that... look at capital financing... out year... projects that would have to be moved around. Others involve the HOME match and we put into the budget anyway .... We do that every year .... Kubby/I had four things ....process ....We are going to do our CIP process different next year. Atkins/We are going to start earlier. Kubby/Thinking about .... phasing .... One of the things that would be helpful for me to understand how it all fits together is to have a map showing projects that facilitate growth, arterial extensions... trail work .... Having map for our discussions .... Lehman/How soon do we get GIS? Arkins/l don't really know .... Lehman/If we had that ..... Atkins/I think that is a legitimate request ....We will prepare that. Thomberry/If we had a map on each of the areas ..... having grids already in there to see where the streets might go .... would be nice to see .... Kubby/Whatever districts we have done .... Atkins/I will see that that is prepared. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session Lehman/ ....large map... as sections are updated .... Atkins/We have a big map in the conference room .... Lehman/ (All talking). Kubby/Other issue... Dane Road... I am not interested in putting it in the CIP this time... to get some information about it for next time .... Arkins/That is being prepared ..... Vanderhoef/ Kubby/ Kubby/I had given you copies about a couple of things .... Engaging Citizens .... interesting .... interested in exploring ifstaffcould come up with a fairly simple public process on front end of budget making. To see if we would be interested in directing them to do it. Norton/ Kubby/On how could this work in our community. Lehman/Some way to have citizens more involved in the process is what you are saying. Kubby/To have staff come back with a couple of ideas on how we could do it ..... Lehman/I can't imagine anybody opposed to having public input on the budget .... Champion/Problem .... talk about it ....neighborhood group .... Kubby/Asking for Steve to say here are ~vo or three ways maybe that citizens could be involved more in the front end of the budget .... Arkins/An idea list. page 35 Norton/Talking... neighborhoods... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session page 36 Atkinsd A number of years ago .... I made the rounds... it just didn't work ....wasn't productive enough for us ....Capital projects are different ....I will get some ideas for you. Kubby/ ....simulations .... Thomberry/ Atkins] I will get ideas .... (All talking). Kubby/ ....have citizen involved on the front end .... (All talking). Kubby/It is just a matter of how you want to have public input .... Lehman/ ....It is going to be difficult. Norton/I would like to give it a try... an association .... Vanderhoef/Neighborhood groups, I think it is a good idea. (All talking). Vanderhoef/ ....neighborhood leaders... conversation about what goes into this whole thing. Kubby/Can we get a few ideas from Steve? .... Lehman/I think we all agree .... Kubby/I had one last thing and that was the thing about daycare ..... I would be interested in staff, of the different boards and commissions, that the next time they meet with their commission just say... quick and dirty survey: How many folks here could use help with childcare that would make it easier for you to participate? .... quick... estimate on how much it would cost for us to provide childcare .... Norton/...biased... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session page 37 Champion/..getting people to participate in government .... Kubby/Transportation and childcare are the two biggest barriers for participation .... Thomberry/l think it is the commitment of time .... unwilling to give up .... Lehman/I xvould not favor the city offering childcare for people who are serving on boards .... I am not interested in the city providing that kind of service. Atkins/Do you want the survey done? Kubby/If we are not going to do anything with it ..... compensation for council members, I think transportation... childcare as well as time for council .... Childcare .... you just look over the history of policy makers .... It is an exception to have people with children on city council .... exception... people who have less than $40,000 a year .... it costs more than $5500 a year for childcare for the amount of time we spend at meetings .... true barrier... Lehman/ .....matter... time .... Kubby/I think if you can reduce one barrier .... Norton/ ....had four kids under foot .... Champion/l had eight while on the school board .... O'Donnell/ .... $2.5 million in trails .... encouraging people to take the bus, ride a bicycle and walk .... transportation to serve here .... Kubby/I am talking about childcare ..... Lehman/Are there other comments? (All talking). Lehman/Are we at a point now? .... We are basically... Arkins/We can go to print. Lehman/ ....set it for hearing. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City. council meeting of January 29, 1998 WS012998 January 29, 1998 Council Budget Work Session Atkins/We got a lot of notes. (All talking). Lehman/If we print what we talked about tonight .... Atkins/You had budget meetings scheduled for the 2nd and 3rd. Lehman/ .....canceled .... Arkins/Thank you for your time. Meeting Adjourned: 8:40 PM. page 38 This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of January. 29, 1998 WS012998