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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1997-07-14 Transcription (2)July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 1 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session Council: Nov, Baker, Kubby, Lehman, Norton, Thomberry, Vanderhoef. Staff: Atkins, Helling, Karr, Dilkes, Franklin, Davidson, Craig, Fosse, Brachtel, Schoenfelder, Fowler, Schoon. Tapes: 97-103, all; 97-104, all. Review Zonin~ Matters 97-103 Side 1 a. Consider a motion setting a public hearing for July 29 on an ordinance amending Title 14, Chapter 6, entitled "Zoning," Article E, entitled "Commercial and Business Zones," Section 2, entitled "Neighborhood Commercial Zone (CN-1)," to permit any retail or personal service use in the CN-1 zone with a size limitation to help ensure neighborhood compatibility. Nov/This is the first item on the agenda. Katin- Franklin/The first is an amendment to the CN-1 zone to permit additional retail ..... b. Consider a motion setting a public hearing for July 29 on an ordinance amending Title 14, Chapter 6, entitled "Zoning," Article N, entitled "Off-Street Parking and Loading," to increase the parking requirements for residential uses in the CB-5, Central Business Support Zone. Franklin/The second is increasing the parking requirements for residential uses in the CB-5 zone ..... c. Consider a motion setting a public heating for July 29 on an ordinance amending Title 14, "Unified Development Code" of the City Code by amending Chapter 9, Article A, entitled "Parking Facility Impact Fee" to revise the formula for payment in the CB-5 Zone. Franklin/The third is in conjunction with item d. which is the revise the formula for payment of the impact fee in the CB-5 Zone ..... We will have p.h.s on those July 29. d. Amendment of Title 14, Chapter 6, entitled "Zoning," Article O, entitled "Sign Regulations," to permit projecting signs as a provisional sign in the CB-5 and CB-10 zones. 7:20 PM This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 2 Franklin/A carry-over item and it relates to permitting projecting signs .... Your last discussion, it seemed that thero was an apparent majority of the council, I think ..... to allow projecting signs (mic problems). Norton/There may have been but I have been one of the leading proponents of the projecting signs ..... I am beginning to waffle to wait for a more opportune time .... Just doesn't seem to me there is enough sentiment .... Lehman/Were you an officer or PFC.? Norton/I was a master sergeant. Lehman/Why don't you act like one. Norton/ ....There is a time to struggle and a time not to struggle. Franklin/Are there four people who want to proceed with allowing projecting signs? Lehman/Yes. Council/(All talking). Franklin/You have an ordinance that addresses projecting signs and provides for some criteria for improving them and the issue at hand was the size. You received in your packets a memo from John Yates about the size and why six square feet ..... Baker/Does anybody have any feelings about the opposition to illumination of those signs? Thornberry/I kind of have an opposition to illumination Lehman/Reverse illumination can be very attractive ..... Council/(All talking). Nov/I don't think they ought to be lit. Norton/It might be simpler. Lehman/I wouldn't quibble about it. Baker/I don't see any reason why we shouldn't. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 3 Norton/ Franklin/The Design Review Committee suggested two provisions. One is that they be no wider than four inches and the other was that they be non-illuminated. Thomberry/I like the non-illumination ....eliminates plastic signs... I can see nice little wooden signs ..... Franklin/This does have a provision that it would go before Design Review Committee ..... Baker/Why should you preclude illumination? ..... Kubby/ Council/ Norton/There are going to be a lot of difficulties .... ! don't feel strongly about the illuminated. Could we start without them and see wha~t happens? Council/(All talking). Vanderhoef/I would rather start with them and put some control to it. Kubby/What about illumination but no neon? Baker/Why rule that out? Lehman/You limit the amount of candle power ....eliminate neon. Baker/ Lehman/I have something against every single store having a neon sign screaming at me .... Kubby/Aesthetics. Norton/ Baker/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 4 Nov/Okay folks, neon is allowed if its flat against a fascia sign. Illumination is allowed in a fascia signs. People have choices ..... Kubby/ Nov/Current code allows illumination and it allows neon. We are not saying that it is not allowed. We are just saying that projecting signs are different. Franklin/So you are saying non-illumination projecting signs? Nov/Yes, exactly. Norton/ Franklin/I am not hearing a majority for illumination. Baker/Three for illumination. Franklin/You need four. Thomberry/ Council/(All talking). Franklin/The ordinance is written as such that there is not a provision about non- illumination. It does not mention it. You could have an illuminated sign as long as it met the other requirements in the Sign Ordinance. So if you want to include a provision that says that projecting signs shall be non-illuminated or shall not be illuminated, you need to put an amendment on the floor tomorrow night because it is a p.h. Preferably you would do it during your p.h that you wish to amend the ordinance that is before you that would limit it to non-illuminated projecting signs. Thomberry/Right now it is illuminated? Franklin/ Norton/There is no restriction. Franklin/Right. Norton/There is no restriction with respect to illumination. They can have it or not. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 5 Nov/And the current ordinance says six square feet? Franklin/Yes .... Nov/That means six square feet on each face of this projecting sign? Franklin/That is right, two feet by three feet. Norton/ Kubby/I know that that sign would need to be adhered to the building .... Can within that structure the sign moved? Franklin/No ..... Council/ Baker/You are talking about a stationary sign with motion within the sign? .... Franklin/I don't remember what the term is. Kubby/A kinetic sculpture is what I am thinking of, for example ..... Council/(All talking). Franklin/Under the current ordinance you cannot have movable signs. Norton/Animated is the word. Thomberry/Theoretically then, it could be hung out there on hooks? Norton/And it would swing gently in the breeze. Franklin/As it is written, it must be fixed to the building wall or to a pole which is mounted on the building but may not be swinging or easily moved by wind. Norton/That is clear .... Have we invited the right people tomorrow night to testify about this? Design Review and others .... Franklin/They have been here. They have made their statements. I think they are done with it. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 6 Thomberry/ Franklin/Okay, there is one other part to this. You need to make your decision about illumination. That requires an amendment on the floor tomorrow night. Lehman/If we don't make an amendment, it could be illuminated? Franklin/That is correct. No amendment and you can have lights .... Other point... right now it is not thicker than eight inches and the Design Review Committee has suggested it be not thicker than four inches. Again, if you wish to make that change, you need to put an amendment on the floor tomorrow night. Vanderhoef/Four inches is fine. Lehman/Four inches lets room for a fluorescent bulb inside. Thornberry/If you are going to illuminate .... e. Consider an ordinance amending Title 14, Chapter 6, entitled "Zoning," Article O, entitled "Sign Regulations," to permit portable signs as a provisional sign in the CB-2, CB-5, and CB-10 zones. (Second consideration) Franklin/The next item is second consideration on portable signs. f. Consider an ordinance amending Title 14, Chapter 6, entitled "Zoning," Article P, entitled "Fences and Hedges," to change the vision triangle requirement at intersections. (Second consideration) Franklin/Second consideration on vision triangle requirement at intersections. Kubby/ g. Consider an ordinance vacating the portion of St. Matthias Street (formerly known as St. Matthias Alley), right-of-way located north of Dodge Street, and St. John's Alley, located between St. Clement's Street and St. Matthias Street. (VAC94-0004) (Pass and adopt) Franklin/A pass and adopt on an ordinance vacating portions of St. Matthias Street, St. John's Alley ....old item that we have been waiting to get appraisals .....memo in the packet .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 7 Vanderhoef/ ....Are we including only the part of the alley that goes up to where the HyVee- Franklin/The vacation is a vacation of the entire alley. Remember when we vacate something, that is just vacating it as public r.o.w. We still retain ownership. Now when we dispose of it, what we are looking at now is whether HyVee is interested in purchasing that r.o.w. abutting their property .... Vanderhoef/We have negotiated only that area where the dairy has property on both sides? Franklin/That is correct. They have given us the money for that. And they understand that we are talking with HyVee. Norton/Where was the agreement? Somebody had written to us about a concern that we weren't getting a fair trade? .... Who had brought up the difficulty? Never mind, I will find out later. Somebody had a protest ..... Vanderhoef/ Kubby/Maybe the Clerk's Office can find that ..... Thornberry/We are not giving away anything .... Baker/ Franklin/We are done with P/Z items. Baker/I wanted a clarification about item c. I missed the first time around .... Where it said that .... no fewer than or no more than 25% be provided on site. Is that different than just saying that 25% is required? Franklin/Yes because you are also saying that- As it stands now, you can put more spaces on site if you wish to but you still have to pay. What this says is that you can have no more than 25% of the required spaces on site and that was the discussion about how much you wanted of the property devoted to parking. Baker/I understand the first part of that is no fewer than and no more than 25%. Thomberry/It has got to be 25% period paragraph. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 8 Baker/I just wondered if that meant something different than just saying 25% has to be on site? Kubby/It just makes it very clear ..... Lehman/ Franklin/...absolutely clear .... Thomberry/I will be voting against this. I think it is a horrible thing .... Kubby/Karin also mentioned to me ..... I inquired briefly to Karin about the Scott Six Plan and all of those votes and she said we may need a delay. It is not part of the agenda, is it? Franklin/No. Kubby/So each item we should defer for two weeks? Franklin/That is correct. Just as you did the last time. #5, 6, & 7. You continue the p.h. on item 7 and defer 5, 6 and consideration on item 7. Norton/Back up on c., Dean. I thought we went over that pretty carefully. Thornberry/ Vanderhoef/(Can't hear). Just wording in there. Franklin/Item #10. That is to include the language design, install and maintain rather than just design so we can do enforcement .... Vanderhoef/The thing that struck me was inconsistency of language .... I am thinking we need to go "shall" and "shall" on that .... Karr/Item #107 Franklin/It is the "shall" and "must" and "whereas"? Okay. Thomberry/ Vanderhoef/In the first "whereas" as are talking about "shall be designed" and then when we get to the second "whereas", "must be design .... "Just consistency. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 9 Dilkes/I don't think it really matters. It certainly could be changed to shall... Kubby/Can we not make copies for all council members for that small of a change? Just have it done for when we vote on it. Dilkes/The ordinance itself says shall. It is just the whereas .... Nov/I don't think it matters in this case. Dilkes/I don't think it does. Thornberry/And a comma instead of a semi-colon on page- This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 10 Passenger Rail Coalition 97-103 Side 1 Nov/We are on the Passenger Rail Coalition. Jeff Davidson/I think most of you are familiar with this item. We did discuss it with JCCOG last week .... The Quad Cities Metropolitan Planning organization ..... they are the ones really pushing this coalition... sounds like a good idea... What is going to happen with Amtrak service... should take it seriously ....just endorse the study .... Kubby/Where would the station be in Iowa City if this happens? Davidson/That is an issue throughout the corridor .... That is something ....don't get hung up with that... part of the subsequent study ....We would have to discuss what we would want to do here if it came to that. Thornberry/ Davidson/Parking would be very important .... Nov/All we are saying is that we think it is a good idea to study it. Davidson/It is item #19 on your agenda tomorrow night. Nov/Okay. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 11 IDOT Meeting August 12, Burlington 97-103 Nov/Can you tell us a little bit more about the IDOT meeting? Davidson/We discussed this at JCCOG last week. The Board did determine that they didn't want to send an entourage from this community .... I believe Henry Herwig from Coralville, Steve Lacina from Johnson County, Brian M from the University and Naomi wanted to have someone from Iowa City and myself will probably go on August 12. I did call IDOT. We will be scheduled in the morning .... The attention is just to thank them for the things that they have done for our community .... similarly to let them know what the concerns are of this community .... railroad crossings and extension of arterial streets .... To make some contact, make some visibility with the Commission... political body .... Nov/I would like to go and I would like to know what time... on the agenda .... Davidson/In the morning .... I reserved a car .... Kubby/We need a woman in that group ..... Council/(All talking). Nov/Council members who want particular items to be mentioned on that day, let me know, let Jeff know .... Kubby/Kind of decided at JCCOG to focus the conversation on limited number of points so the message is heard .... Norton/I think they ought to be serious ....substantive issues .... Nov/I have a list of 6-7 things .... Davidson/... I got signage along primary highway extension .... railroad crossings ..... Norton/ Davidson/Dee, you mentioned the airport .... Norton/I don't think there is anything specific there. Davidson/ .... arterial street extensions .... deer reflectors .... railroad crossings and trails .... transit...Hwy 965. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 12 Norton/Trails ought to be on there .....reinforce that ....see them as pretty important .... Davidson/State has really emphasized recreational trails as opposed to transportation trails ..... Nov/In terms of this resolution, I am planning to send a copy to Daryl Rensink ...... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 13 East-West Arterial Street Naming 9%103 Side 1 Nov/Next item. Jeff Davidson/Sometime ago, council did request that we provide a recommendation to you on the name for the East-West arterial street ..... portion of which is scheduled to be built next year. We check the policy which has rarely been used .... it is suggested that historical names are appropriate for the northeast quadrant .....We felt with the subject of historical names... appropriate.. input from Historic Preservation Commission .... you have attached memo ..... does indicate that Captain Irish Parkway was the name selected to be recommended to you .... Kubby/Isn't there a liquor or brandy called Captain Irish? ....Captain Morgan, thank you. Davidson/The rational .... Irish Parkway would lead people to conclude it was named after the ethnic group rather than the individual. There was an article in the paper .... he was a major property owner in Iowa City. He did own a tavem .... served with former Governor Lucas .... instrumental with bringing a railroad to Iowa City. He is certainly a very significant historical figure .... Norton/Somebody from the Press called me and I had these names .... I think it is very appropriate .... Thomberry/I was kind of thinking Irish Parkway ..... Norton/Didn't want to give ethnic implication .... Thomberry/ Baker/You said the city usually has not control over street name. Davidson/Typically it is left up to a developer, Larry ....arterial streets have historic names. Baker/I always thought that council ought to reserve the right to name streets. Norton/Do they get guidance? Davidson/Each quadrants have suggestions. It is through the platting process that a street receives an official name .... Council/(All talking). This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 14 Baker/I would take that responsibility. Turn it over to Historic Preservation or Design Review or somebody .... Thornberry/We would just overrule them anyway. Davidson/ Council/(All talking). Kubby/We should really name something of more significance ..... Davidson/The Commission does concur that certainly in the future naming more centrally located in the downtown area would be appropriate for Emma Harvet ..... Council/(All talking). This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 15 _Sandusky Storm Sewer 97-103 Side 1 Nov/Sandusky Storm Sewer. Rick Fosse/What I want to do tonight is just give you a brief background of where we have been. Let you know where we are going. Got one small decision to make tonight .... Background is .... (refers to drawing/map) .... dark blue line is the drainageway. Quite a bit of drainage comes into the neighborhood .... originally designed to bypass this basin .... Norton/There are catch basins for it to enter at different places along there? Fosse/ That is right. In the neighborhood up here as well as surrounding neighborhood. This project was initiated on two issues. One is that people are unhappy with the way their backyards flood during rain storms .... Other thing that we wanted to address was some people are reporting that they are having property damage to their homes .... We had our initial neighborhood meeting... seems to be a lot of neighborhood support for the project. Since then that has dwindled quite a bit. So what we are going to do is backup and take a look at what exactly the problems are out there. Specifically what kind of property damages can we attribute to stormwater versus the sanitary sewer problems that we have been having out there ....Sewer won't become effective until the Napoleon Park lift station goes on-line .....We might be able to look at an alternative that has a lower impact on the neighborhood... addresses property damage issues .... Nov/Where is the location of the man who came to city council meeting and was very concerned about flooding? Fosse/That is here (refers to map). Nov/ Fosse/It is in the same neighborhood. Norton/One of the letters we got was from Novotny's, right there. Nov/I was concerned about the one who came to the council meeting... serious problem. I wanted to know what we can do or if we can do something. Fosse/That is the one thing I wanted to get some direction on tonight is this project today is addressed only surface water issues. And the problem. that I heard Mr. Moyer describing the other night was ground water issues in his basement. He didn't come in the next week ..... Question is do expand the scope of this project again to This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 16 look at ground water issues and if so, what boundaries shall we set? I don't know what the limits might be. In other parts of town where we have had ground water problems, usually the most we can do for them is to put a sump pump discharge box along the back of the curb .... Nov/Does his sump pump go into the storm sewer at all? Fosse/I don't know .... Norton/We have a report... open house... some people claim there are a great many cross connects .... sump pumps are tied directly into the sanitary sewer .... Lehman/How much do sump pumps actually put into the sewer? Fosse/Enough to overwhelm it. Kubby/Especially in a wet year ....get your basement dryer but you might cause backups in other neighborhoods. Lehman/...are we currently putting in connections for sump pumps in new subdivisions? Fosse/Only in those areas that have hydric soils? Lehman/...area south of Hwy 6, will we require that. Fosse/Yes, this area does have hydric soils .... Norton/Most of these do have sump pumps .... Fosse/A lot of them were retro-fit jobs .... Nov/Sometimes they don't have to come and tell you about it. Fosse/One of our former mayors came clean on that. Norton/I don't understand why. Novotny is downstream from the stormwater at 1-15 Sandusky .... You would think he would be one of the most heavily impacted by access water in the backyard ....He is the one that is claiming the cure is worse than the problem. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 17 Fosse/Early on he was in favor of the project ....at that time he was hoping for a solution ....impact on features in his yard ....His next door neighbor is reporting damage to his home .... Conflict right here. Thomberry/ Norton/It is very tricky... You are going to re-design the whole thing... plenty of time to discuss this .... Fosse/Certainly the #1 goal is to eliminate the property damage to homes and the next design criteria is to reduce that nuisance flooding that is occurring back there .... you can't eliminate it ..... Lehman/Is this a situation that the city has had anything to do with creating it? Fosse/This is one of the very first basins that went in in the Stormwater Management Ordinance. With the exception of this guy getting property damage from it, it is really functioning as it was designed .....backyards... They just don't work well together .... Kubby/It reminds me of our discussion about Friendship and Shamrock ..... people would have understood .... We decided we were willing to spend some money on Friendship and Shamrock to decrease some real severe property damage and to do a minimal approach. I would suggest that we be consistent and do that here, as well. Fosse/ One angle, pinpoint .... that is recording damage from flooding and look at what alterations can be made to that structure, flood-proof it and then just leave the rest as it is. Kubby/I like that minimal approach at this point. Lehman/I agree because I don't know where you stop ..... I think we did the right thing in Shamrock .... same approach. As long as we didn't create the problem .... I don't know what obligation we really have .... Norton/Can we be assured that our requirements in developments currently are better than what permitted this situation? .... Fosse/There are two things that are different. One is the developers know that if they don't encumber a yard with an easement for stormwater management, they have a more marketable product ..... trying to turn it into an amenity. The other thing... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 18 where they do go into the yards .... potential for flooding, we have their engineers put onto the lot the minimum low opening that that hole can have and not be flooded .... Thomberry/How can you do that when you got to consider a 50 year flood? Fosse/Usually what govems it is the elevation of the downstream road .... One of the other issues out here is easements. The policy that we have been using for easement acquisition on projects like these has not been working well in recent years .... I think it is time to really re-think that policy... put together some ideas and come back to you .... Kubby/...do we want to expand the project into dealing with ground water issues? Lehman/No, I don't think so. Norton/ Fosse/What we already have in place is we have $25,000 a year in our budget to put in sump pump discharge box that I was talking about. Lehman/I have no problem with that. Fosse/And what we can do is see if there are other problems in this location .... Norton/It is surprisingly steep slopes ..... Nov/All right. The main thing we have decided is no Sandusky storm sewer construction this year. Fosse/That is correct. Nov/And you will come back? Fosse/Yes, we will. Norton/Are you doing anything to look for cross connects? Can we do anything? Fosse/About the only thing we can do .... to look through the sewer lines through our cameras and watch for those homes that have steady flow .... Lehman/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 19 Kubby/Suggest a PIN grant for... find a volunteer... go in .... to educate the neighborhood through the association about what the negative affects are... in terms of sewer backup ..... Lehman/It is illegal to dump sump pump into sanitary sewer .... Can a homeowner refuse to allow us to come in and look? Nov/Yes. Lehman/ ....we can't go in and check and see if it is hooked up? Kubby/ Norton/What ifI take a peak while I am reading the meter? Lehman/Those are outside. Council/(All talking). Kubby/Education and encouragement. Norton/I think the neighborhood thing is a good point. Nov/Neighborhood association meetings is a good idea. Fosse/...thank you. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 20 Library Roof 97-103 Side 1 Nov/Who is talking library roof?. Dale? Dale Helling/Basically you got the information that we sent you... details of what we propose to do ....recommendation... Jim is here and Darrell Smith, the design consultant .... Kubby/The numbers were interesting to me because on the second page of Darrell's letter the two ply membrane, the actual contractor amount is $212- And for the single ply... some information about $95,000 plus ....Both of these figures are different than the figures from- Norton/I didn't understand the figures quite either. Darrell Smith/I can talk about the two ply modified system because I did see the proposal that the contractor gave on that one .... His system is a little bit different than mine .... We are just going to replace the wet. And also his type of system is a little bit different. He was going to have a hot kettle and tar on the site and mop down a couple of sheets .... then put a top ply of the modified system where the system that I am anticipating .... two ply of the modified material and it will be torch applied. A lot cleaner system .....I don't know exactly what the single ply bid all entails .... Norton/... On B. and D., those two roofs. Is that $16,000 in addition to the $165-? Smith/That would be in addition to the fully adhered single ply TPO membrane .... Norton/ CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 97-103 SIDE 2 Kubby/If the estimated cost is $7,000 different and that seems like a decent risk to take for the amount of roof that may be destroyed if the multipurpose building comes to fruition. Norton/Do it, I like it. Kubby/ Lehman/I visited today with an engineer from Benchmark .... I was very pleased with that one ..... The city staff has recommended a bituminous roof. He explained to me very simply why and I guess I buy into it 100%. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 21 Norton/ Lehman/The modified. His explanation was you put in a membrane roof like we currently have in the library and you can repair that to a limited degree ....But the bituminous roof you can repair minimally as you go along and then recover it .... You can extend the life of that bituminous by completely recovering the roof2 - 3 times .... Smith/Do you know who you talked to at Benchmark? Lehman/Yes, Terrance Simmons .... He explained it very simply to me .... You have this capability of extending that life of that roof many times .... Smith/Single ply you got one ply .... Kubby/ ....In the mean time, what is wrong with the really thick rooftarps? .... Smith/That is a pretty large area for that. Kubby/ Nov/I have a question about the insulation. Since this current roof has hail damage, which means little bitty holes all over the place, how can you not replace the entire insulation? .... Smith/We took over a dozen core samples and a lot them were in areas where it was punctured ....moisture resistant... so just a little bit of moisture won't affect it .... polystyrene. Nov/... ends up inside without having wet the insulation. Smith/Probably goes through the joints. Thomberry/...finds it way down and around the sheets. Smith/... If we see something that is wet, we are going to take it out and put new dry in. Thornberry/And you can tell whether it has been wet or not? Smith/Absolutely. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session Nov/Is there anyway to seal the joints. Smith/No .... Norton/Is this the emergency? Or are we doing the emergency thing right now, aren't we. Kubby/We are doing the emergency now and this will be for the specs for the bid project .... Baker/So these are just engineer's estimates? Nov/Right. Thomberry/This is before we know. The big project, the new roof, will be put on before we know whether we are going to be remodeling or anything else? Norton/Yes. Thomberry/I understand we are doing an emergency, then we do a roof, then we tear it all off when we do an expansion. Kubby/We won't be tearing the whole thing off.... Nov/ Norton/If you had to take it all off, you are swallowing $160- or whatever. Kubby/Even thought his may have been frustrating for the staff and library, we are actually ending up with a slightly different product than we looked at ....IT may be lesser cost .... Nov/ Kubby/Let's do it. Council/(All talking). Nov/This will be specified to his description? ....Okay. page 22 This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 23 Civic Center Entrance Renovation 97-103 Side 2 Nov/Entrance renovation. Jim Schoenfelder/These are just reduced copies of the plans and specifications for the entrance remodeling .... What we are doing.. front entrance is getting in fairly bad shape as far as concrete and benches... ramps and railings don't meet ADA requirements .... redo and renovate that whole front area .... D1 is the Demolition sheet .... (refers to demolition sheet). The dotted line represents the amount of area that we are going to be demolishing and replacing. The second sheet, A1, Construction Site Plan indicates what we are going to be doing ....widening ramp... adding a ADA handrailing on stairs and on the ramp .... benches and a seating area just to the north of the sidewalk... Also putting in two smaller planters ..... Stairs are going to stay approximately in the same location .... more area for seating area and benches ....front or sidewalk area...open that area up quite a bit ..... Lehman/Will it be possible to save any trees that we are going to take out? Kubby/ Schoenfelder/I talked with the City Forester... two trees... getting very large, have about five years left .... They will have to be replaced or taken out. There are four small trees out front by Washington Street ....relocate those ....I would like to get those moved to a different location .... Kubby/ Schoenfelder/ ....Ones that are really blocking are the ones in the square planter .... Kubby/ Schoenfelder/We would have a couple of months to find a place to put those .... Nov/ Lehman/Is the concrete around those trees going to be moved? Schoenfelder/ ....ring there, that will be filled in. Lehman/ Kubby/As long as they are relocated ..... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 24 Council/(All talking). Vanderhoef/Jim, is the shaded park area there, is that street level? Schoenfelder/Yes. Vanderhoef/So that is where the additional seating... Down below and then no seating up above. Schoenfelder/(Refers to drawing). This will be a seating area right off the sidewalk and then up the stairs .... no seating up here .... Kubby/My concern... flowering tree... different things being planted ....(refers to drawing). I guess I would like to see more plantings. Schoenfelder/(Refers to drawing). Nov/What is going to be in the area between the sidewalk and the curb? Schoenfelder/That is going to be open there .... I wanted to keep it fairly open .... Kubby/What about low planters for flowers? ..... Schoenfelder/We don't want to create .... Nov/You could put something... ground level... two bricks high kind of planter. Schoenfelder/ ....anchored... little planter .... Baker/...Having something elevated up .... Lehman/ Kubby/Do people want more greenery? Baker/I want more coloring. Kubby/More live stuff versus impervious surface .... Novick/We are taking out all those nice daffodils. I want you to put them back in ..... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session Norton/Might assume people are going to walk across .... Council/(All talking). Norton/When does this start? Schoenfelder/We will take bids August 19 and then by September 9 we could be in construction. Kubby/Will we do it in stages? Schoenfelder/We are going to leave the entrance open as much as possible .... Kubby/ Schoenfelder/ page 25 This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 26 Transit Interchange 97-103 Side 2 Nov/Transit interchange. Joe Fowler/I am here for direction. Nov/I started out today to call and tell everybody what I had done and I got sidetracked .... I talked to the management at Old Capital Mall. I think that it is possible of a storefront access on Clinton Street to be used as our Transit facility. It wooed not have Mall access .... Street access somewhere along Clinton Street .... willing to think about it. If we could defer it, I would appreciate it. This could be a very friendly open window kind of thing .... dispense information .... restroom facilities... I am proposing .... City will put the construction costs into putting in the plumbing in .... maybe they will not ask for a monthly fee .... Kubby/Wouldn't it be to their advantage to have access into the Mall? Nov/No, I don't think it would .... Kubby/ Thomberry/ Vanderhoef/ Nov/ Norton/If it gets too far from the comer, it doesn't seem to me to serve the function very well .... deserves looking. Nov/Convenience to drivers .... Thomberry/At first blush... good idea .... Vanderhoef/ Lehman/Interested in looking at .... If we invest the money in remodeling... we get a long term commitment. Nov/...Deirdre Castle may come back .... She and I would like to consider it ..... Kubby/There were two pieces of information that we had asked for .... to know that the grant money remains in place if the facility isn't built this year. Is that true? And This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 27 the other one is clarifying and being sure about... city's legal obligation to provide restrooms for Transit people. Fowler/I am not sure what the exact requirements are .... I think that we are fulfilling that obligation .... Nov/ Kubby/ Norton/I would like to support a deferment. In the same time I think we need to consider the options if that doesn't work. Are we going to go back to the drawing board to try to get a structure here that meets some of the criteria? .... sufficiently light... revised .... Are we going to have something going in parallel? .... Nov/... I think we can probably wait ..... Fowler/I think we had a good basic design of the building as far as the function for the employees... public .... Question has probably came back to the location of the building ....If we lose out to the area on Clinton Street... revert back to our original location .... Nov/Can we get a more transparent design? .... Norton/Still important consideration... ought to be re-looking at that at the same time we are proceeding. Fowler/My only caution is we do have limited funds available ..... Kubby/ Nov/I would like to be sure we cannot use the Clinton Street side of the Mall before we spend money on another design. I think I hear most of the council saying that that design was rather heavy .... Thomberry/Let's pursue ASAP the Mall option and then get an answer back .... Lehman/What was Design Review Committee's response to the original? Norton/They have had a million requests... different concerns ....We want something there that doesn't raise problems .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 28 Thomberry/ ....wait and see what happens again with the Mall .... Norton/Any kind of facility, will it serve other bus routes? Coralville and Cambus? ..... Kubby/28E agreement ..... Council/ Norton/At least an effort to integrate... having an interchange where all the buses come ..... If there is some way to do that. Fowler/Probably have to look at the size of the facility ....have to be re-sized .... Vanderhoef/ .... bothers me... we are funneling people into the middle of the street where are the buses are coming to and fro because we are offering the services of selling tickets there .... Fowler/We also anticipate that we would move the change machine and information kiosk at that location. Norton/Bringing more traffic into the middle of the street. Council/(All talking). Nov/I am asking for council to agree to defer. Lehman/We are with you. Norton/But consider Coralville and the others, too. I think that is the least we can do is coordinate a little. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 29 SEATS 97-103 Side 2 Nov/All right, we are on SEATS. Do you negotiators want to report? Vanderhoef/I will be happy to report to you. Dean and I are real pleased with where we are at this point in time... things are moving along with the County... meeting with them again soon ..... Tomorrow night on the agenda we have a one month extension of our present contract and that will go through the entire month of July and hopefully we will completed by then. Nov/We expect to be finished in a couple of weeks .... Kubby/Can you give us some more detail? .... One of the things that we had discussed in the informal meetings was the issue of an integrated fleet in terms of not stopping at city lines and having only five dedicated vehicles. Where we are are with those kinds of issues and numbers. Vanderhoef/We are still working out on some of the management ends of things. As far as integrated service, we are still talking about it. Kubby/(Can't hear). Vanderhoef/At this point the County has indicated they are not interested. Kubby/In doing five? Because we have dedicated vehicles now for Iowa City, don't we? Thornberry/No, we don't. Kubby/Yeah, we do. We don't have dedicated vehicles now for peak times? Fowler/My understanding is- Kubby/In their information haven't they told us they have 10 or 11 dedicated vehicles for Iowa City. Fowler/They have vehicles that are assigned to serve Systems Unlimited .... all their fleet has the capability of crossing city-county boundaries .... Norton/How are you doing with the transfer with the city boundaries? Thomberry/We are talking about it ..... Until we get to the end it is tough to see .... We will have something back to you by hopefully .... We can by soon. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 30 Nov/We are talking by two weeks from now .... Kubby/ Thornberry/This is the first extension. Vanderhoef/ Nov/If two weeks from now we need to extend to the end of August .... Thomberry/I hope that we won't need to do that. Baker/What is it that we are just not agreeing on right now?... Thomberry/Several things. Vanderhoef/But we are getting a whole lot closer. I am real hopeful. Lehman/Important thing is that we know that we are making progress. Thornberry/Absolutely. Vanderhoef/We have made a lot of progress. Baker/Other than the dedicated vehicles issue, what else is the bones of contention? Norton/Does it raises somebody else's costs? ..... Thomberry/Cost, service, whole contract is being looked at. All of the things that are in contract are under negotiation for a new contract. Baker/What are you doing with the discussion on the use of taxis? .... Vanderhoef/They have always been part of the service. Baker/I noticed in the response.. question I had... Yellow Cab service sort of in the abstract. I didn't know what Yellow Cab was doing ..... What Yellow Cab's plans were .... Vanderhoef/Depending on the amount of service would determine how much traffic is diverted onto cabs... It could change depending on what we negotiate. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 31 Baker/I have been told the cab companies are doing their normal change over anyway .... Thornberry/They are kind of waiting to see what our contract is going up to being before they determine exactly what their needs are. Vanderhoef/ Baker/ ....Is there- Are you one of the bones of contention here ....says they are not clear about what information you want. Is that still true? Vanderhoef/We have progressed a long ways from that. Baker/Okay ..... I am not getting any answers here. Kubby/I am hearing the reporter saying we are getting closer and we are still negotiating and details will be forthcoming. They are not wanting to say anymore details. Baker/We don't have a proposal in front of us to consider. Vanderhoef/No. As soon as we have one, we will send it to you. Thomberry/ Baker/Is there anything you need from us as a group? Vanderhoef/Not at the moment. Thomberry/ Norton/ Baker/Are you ever going to be able to determine the cost of the total system is equitably distributed by our standards? Kubby/ Baker/One of the contingents is Coralville's costs will go up if our plans are implemented. But does that translate logically into the fact that we are subsidizing Coralville's service? .... Fowler/It is hard for us to put a handle on the exact breakdown of the rides. We don't have the reports. We have an analysis of one weeks information. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 32 Kubby/I thought there were nine months worth of trip times. Thomberry/We have asked for the information and they don't have it... They have given us one week out of the last year .... Baker/Bugs in the computer are being worked out?... Vanderhoef/We haven't seen any product of that yet. Fowler/We have a lot of reporting issues out to discuss ....reports the city would like to have.. trip lengths... passenger loads .... Kubby/ Fowler/We have talked with Bumell .... they are capable of generating .... reporting requirements... we haven't seen the output yet .... Baker/I know this is an outdated report .... one statement... Page 10... Iowa City should state explicitly what information is needed in the reports. have we explicitly stated what we need? When did we do that? Fowler/Over a year ago. Thomberry/They may not have understood the request... They may not have been able to get that information ..... I think that problem can be rectified .... part of our requirement for the next contract. Baker/Let me raise a bigger question ....One side of the table... consolidating services with the University and County ....combined transit system... Is our approach contradictory to that impulse? .... Kubby/Seems like the answer has been you are still negotiating the issue of integrated system ..... Thomberry/We are. Norton/Philosophically... interested in integrated approach? .... Vanderhoef/For all of transit .... absolutely ..... all of our fixed route things into one system ..... We are not negotiating that part right now but it wouldn't be a huge leap to go that way if we had interest from the other bus systems. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 33 Baker/I am having a hard time understanding where we are at in this whole negotiation. Vanderhoef/We are in the middle of a negotiation .... Norton/...sweet and reasonable. Baker/I am in the phone book. Kubby/There are some minimal things .... comply with ADA .... more later ....most tight lipped report I have ever heard .... Council/(All talking). This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 34 Council Agenda/Time 97-103 Side 2 1. Lehman/Jazz Fest was .... so many different ages, occupations .... people...polite .... having a ball .... tremendous .... 2. Lehman/I am sure we all have had a fair amount of communication ... concerned about our cable contract. I don't know where we are right now. Kubby/It would be great to have a more detailed briefing at some point... separate agenda item... more detail. Helling/We can update you... had the exchange of letters... from TCI saying we have decided we don't need the city's permission. That the 1996 Cable Act and language in our franchise agreement, we can do this .... Our intention at this point is to take a look at all of that .... We probably would want to buy a little bit of time .... consultants... attorneys... let them know what the situation is and get a preliminary opinion .... Get in a better position to establish our own posture on this. Right now the franchise agreement states that they will complete the re-build by February .... anticipate that they are probably not going to do it. Lehman/ .... We had anticipated there would be a fiber optic rebuild. Helling/Fiber or cable hybrid .... Lehman/ Helling/I am told that if they start working on it tomorrow, that they might be able to accomplish it .... Lehman/If it becomes obvious that they do not intend to comply with this .... I think we should be prepared to move. Helling/I think that is what we need to do between now ... and February .... Vanderhoef/Move forward with getting our legal advice. Helling/We intend to do that. Kubby/ Lehman/We need to tell people .... public that we will do what is appropriate... see to it that people in this community receive the best cable service according to our contract... Let them know that we are interested .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 35 Kubby/We will do .... what our contract allows us to do. Lehman/ Helling/ Norton/ Council/ Helling/We have to look at all the possibilities ....In our opinion... doesn't comply .... Lehman/Let the public know that we are vigilant ..... Council/(All talking). Helling/Our understanding is they cited several places this type of application had taken place and to the best of our knowledge it is not exactly in the same form ..... What we are telling people .... feedback from folks in the community .... this is not the same thing .... What I am telling people .... CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 97-104 SIDE 1 Helling/Both of you together and it would be very helpful is they send carbon copies to TCI .... recall the WGN thing about a year ago... a lot of citizens bombarded TCI with letters and phone calls and said don't take it out ....If the community takes a strong opinion... We also want quality that fiber brings ....that should be voiced, too. Dilkes/It is really hard to decide where we are going to go next, though, until we get legal advice from someone who has expertise in this area .... I think it is suspicious that they took the position originally that they needed to negotiate with us and then when we didn't respond favorably, they took the position that they didn't have to .... 3. Norton/A couple of quick ones. I don't know what the status is of the Sycamore sidewalk .... we have some opinions... We put it in pretty quickly there for that couple of blocks. Some people are asking to extend it and some people are saying who is going to maintain it ....Where does that stand, Steve, on who is going to maintain that thing? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 36 Atkins/I don't know. I will find out. Norton/ ....pretty agitated ....thought the process was pretty grim .... Kubby/Some neighbors said they hadn't been contacted .... We should be contacting people on installation. Atkins/And it was temporary .... Kubby/I think it was a good call. Norton/I am going out and trying to smooth some feathers. Atkins/I will find out the status of that. Vanderhoef/... solid board fence that is along there, I wondered where it was on the property line ....comment about the sidewalk itself....snowplows will fill it back up again .... 4. Norton/I also wanted to mention that I went to a neighborhood council meeting the other night at the request of some of the people from Longfellow discussing some issues...drug activity in their neighborhood .... Chief was there... dealing with this since 1994 .... police presence ..... discussed surveillance ..... It is a very difficult situation... good deal of tension. Karr/There is some information you will be receiving later tonight on it. Norton/It is really a tough situation ....I think they felt somewhat better .... Nov/Neighborhood Watch kind of situation is probably a good idea. 5. Norton/ .... pull up beside somebody is a car, it is shaking your call with their boom box. Are our noise ordinances sufficient to deal with those people? Kubby/ Baker/It is a joke. Norton/Cedar Rapids say they have one. Kubby/I think we should repeal ours or make it something that we can enforce when we have a complaint. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 37 Thomberry/Geez, they enforced it when I owned Maxie's. They closed me down. Noise .... Norton/My question was is our noise ordinance in order to cover such things as boom boxes in cars? .... IfI make a complaint that somebody is parked in front of my house or across the street with a boom box, shaking me right out of bed- Thomberry/If you can hear it, Dee, it is too loud. Atkins/(Can't hear). NoVon/ 6. Baker/One, we got this memo a long time ago... Ron O'Neil about the Abrahamson note that was sent. I noticed it was carbon copied to the Commission and Eleanor but I am assuming that this was a response to Ms. Abahamsom herself. Kubby/She got a copy. 7. Baker/I was wondering if the council would be interested in asking Steve to prepare a short report for us about some recent economic developments in the County that didn't benefit Iowa City. The expansion of NCS and the location of the insurance company in Coralville. Atkins/(Can't hear). Baker/... I didn't want to spend a lot of time tonight .... Atkins/As I understand the NCS... clearly a corporate decision. It had nothing to do with our community. They felt that they wanted to expand .... chose to go to another community .... labor market issues .... no reflection on our community ..... bigger market or pool of employees. Nov/And it was not our zoning restrictions such as setbacks? Lehman/No. Nov/ Baker/Was land available an issue? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 38 Atkins/No ....Simply... labor market. Lehman/They made a conscious decision not to expand in Iowa City because they did not want to be a really major employer and they wanted a different labor market .... Baker/ Lehman/ ....They did not want to be the major employer in Johnson County. Baker/Why not? Lehman/ .... that was a decision they made .... Baker/Do you know if there was any conversation between ICAD and NCS? Atkins/To my knowledge, NCS informed ICAD of what they were doing. Baker/What about the insurance company? Atkins/We were involved. When the insurance company came to town, they were looking for an existing building .... We met with the officials .... they are opening a regional office... future... make more permanent commitment in a form of a new building. They did choose to apply for a CEBA grant... indicated to them we could possible go with a no interest loan .... trouble subsidizing rents from a private developer .... They chose to go to Coralville .... Kubby/Look at their racial discrimination record. They have had some big law suits recently that they have lost based on racial discrimination. Atkins/ Baker/Do you know if they got any sort of incentives or benefits from the Coralville? Atkins/$250,000 forgivable loan and I didn't think we were in a position to make them that offer .... Baker/Was ICAD involved with those negotiations? Atkins/Yes .... Kubby/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 39 Atkins/ Council/(All talking). Atkins/They chose an empty store ..... I will tell you... our community will enjoy whatever benefits .... Thomberry/You did bring up housing, then, to them in your negotiations? Atkins/What I brought up to them was that both communities were prosperous.... housing .... banking .... 8. Baker/Press release from the Board of Supervisors about the study of consolidation of the Recorders office with the Auditor and or the Treasurer's Office and it reminded me of something .... the County versus City Assessor. That that will come back. I would like us for to think about a study of consolidating of those offices. Council/(All talking). Baker/I just wanted to let you know it is something that is not unreasonable to consider and that we will talk about it again. 9. Baker/Two very quick things. I noticed as part of a crime bill, I think, passed nationally... federal government... trying to get police officers into neighborhoods .... to live. There ought to be a program... that we have some program... for policemen to live in targeted neighborhoods... that increases the permanent visibility of police. Atkins/We have tried informally and met with some... positive vibes .... We put out some feelers .... did get a response from a large apartment complex. I didn't take it much further than that .... Baker/Maybe we should be initiating some contact .... Atkins/I will get up to speed on that one. Kubby/ Thomberry/If there was some more awareness .... instead of turn the old ones back in... let officers drive them home at night ....Have more cars out in the city ....Let them buy the used police cars ..... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 40 Atkins/ Thomberry/What I am saying is another presence out in the community. Baker/We need to figure out ways .... high visibility presence .... Kubby/Big commitment on the part of the officer. Baker/ Atkins/ ....If the issue is presence .... Council/ 10. Baker/Have you all forgotten that we were suppose to vote ourselves a pay raise? Is that coming back to us? Karr/It is coming back. I am working on the language. I have to get some CPI language. Don and I are working- It is an ordinance. Three readings. Baker/Up front advance- Thornberry/ Baker/ .... I don't need the money .... Before Marian does more work on it, are there four people who are going to vote on it? Kubby/You bet. Norton/Right. I thought we already voted. Baker/We nodded out heads. Council/(All talking). Norton/It is in writing somewhere. Nov/This was effective first of January, right? Vanderhoef/January '98. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 41 Nov/ Karr/I want to do it before the election. Nov/ Baker/ Karr/You should get it within a month. Council/(All talking). 11. Kubby/I had two issues. One is 1993 we asked out City Attorney's office to look into the issue of mobile home tenant rights .... found out there was a difference between the legal relationship between landlords and tenants if you live in a mobile home or not .... Ann Burnside had written an opinion saying we are not preempted by state law. To have some local laws to make all tenants have the same kind of relationship between the landlord and the tenant and we never did anything with it. Thornberry/Jeff, are you leaving? Are you going home? I just wanted to say, ifI could jump in for just one second. If you would jog on the trails instead of by the streets ..... Kubby/We haven't seen anything .... I would like us to pursue that ..... To get copies of Ann's former opinion about the preemption issue. Atkins/There is also something on the upcoming League of Cities legislative agenda about that issue. Let me put something together. Kubby/...get us moving on it again. 12. Kubby/(Agenda #11, 15, 16 - Animal Control) My second issue is about some comparisons on the two animal control ordinances about money and cost for permits and costs for fines that we are going to be voting on tomorrow night. And in terms of the permit section... reclaim fee for impounded animal. That the first reclaim in a 12 month period is free but the first offense for dog at large will be $10 and it just seems a little inconsistent. It may be if we have to, if there is a first offense, charge something but maybe the policy direction is that the first time someone was caught with pet at large that they be given a warning. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 42 Norton/But that is without traceable identification. If they have a tag, it is free the first one. Vanderhoeff First offense without a tag. Kubby/Okay, that is for reclaim of the animal ..... What I am talking about is pet at large which is a whole different thing ..... That is the simple misdemeanor .... Thomberry/ .... They can give you a warning if they so desire. Kubby/I guess my question is if your animal is loose enough that someone complains and takes it to the pound and it is free... I want it to be policy that the first dog at large is a warning... more consistent. Or change the reclaim to be not free the first time ..... Nov/Give my page numbers. Vanderhoef/Item #16 and item #11. Norton/ Nov/ Kubby/Item #11 is for the municipal infraction and simple misdemeanor. Now they are forced... state law.. charge $50 for a simple misdemeanor and $40 court costs .... trying to make it not so burdensome .... I am saying that the first offense here is $10 and it seems inconsistent from Item #16 where if your animal is to and about that they get picked up... that it is free ..... I prefer the free and warning way. Dilkes/It is easier and makes more sense to change the fee for the reclaim. We can't have zero for a first offense. Kubby/...asking that we have a policy statement that Animal Control gives first offense for pet at large to be a warning .... and then the second time you get charged. Dilkes/I think that could be a policy ..... Kubby/ Nov/I think it is consistent if we say $10. Vanderhoef/$10 both ways. That is a lot more consistent. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 43 Dilkes/I think so, too. Thomberry/A mistake can happen ..... Baker/ Thornberry/ Kubby/That may be a question. Are warnings recorded? Vanderhoef/Do we have the necessary recording capabilities so we know when it is a second offense? Dilkes/I think you avoid this by just doing a reclaim fee of $10 ..... Kubby/ Norton/ Kubby/Eleanor is recommending on item #16... should be $10 ..... Council/(All talking). Norton/I wanted it to be free. Kubby/...consistency is more important. Council/(All talking). Nov/If we have animals with identification and animals without identification, $10 for the first offense, do we want them both to be the same for the second offense, the third offense, the fourth offense? Thomberry/I think we ought to be free and give a warning for the pulled out of my hand lease thing. Vanderhoef/That isn't consistent with this other and that is the problem. Thornberry/It would be if you didn't say you don't get a warning on your other one .... Norton/Absolutely, this should be free. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 44 Thornberry/Erase that and leave that free and back here we say first offense waming, second offense $10. Kubby/ Dilkes/But I anticipate arguments then about whether it is first offense or second offense unless we got a really good recording system and then that is going to be an element of our proof when we prosecute it that it is a second offense instead of a first offense. Thomberry/I will argue this point. How do you know if it is a second or third offense? Lehman/You punch a hole in the dogs ear. Nov/You write up a citation. Thomberry/Why can't a waming be recorded? Nov/ Council/ Kubby/I will call tomorrow to see if warning tickets are the norm, if it is hard to make it the norm and if they are currently recorded. Norton/If they are recorded, then you could leave this at warning, the first offense. Kubby/ ....It would be part of the policy direction that we give to Eleanor... that the first time you are caught, it is a warning, it gets recorded. If you see you with your animal at large ....if they see there was a warning, then that charge becomes a first offense .... Norton/ Kubby/I will explore that tomorrow. Nov/Why do we have fourth offenses on something like this? .... Kubby/Some dogs are good escape artists. Council/(All talking). This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 45 Dilkes/It is just a way to graduate it more. Nov/I have another question on Animal Control. We have $1.00 per day fee for trap rental plus $5.00 non-refundable deposit. That is a fee. Dilkes/I am not intimately familiar with these fees .... Nov/I am going to hand it to you. Kubby/When I call tomorrow about this other issue, I will ask all the questions that you have tonight. Nov/I am not asking, I am saying change it. Kubby/I will ask the reasoning behind it. Nov/It is a fee, it is not a deposit. Thomberry/ Nov/Deposits are understood to be refundable. _ Norton/ Kubby/Does anyone have a problem with a delinquent fee being the amount of the license fee? Nov/No. Kubby/To me that is like you are late for TCI and you get a $5.00 administrative fee and we have people all over the city upset about that but it is 100% late fee. That is outrageous. Nov/ Norton/What did we decide on trap rental? Is that a deposit, please? Kubby/I will ask information about why that fee is there that is being called a non- refundable deposit. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 46 Vanderhoef/I had a question about the acceptance of fees for resident and non-resident owners being the same amount. For non-residents I think we could go higher than that if we are going to accept them .... Council/ Kubby/Is there currently a fee for accepting animals? I am going to ask about that, too. Vanderhoef/Just ask them if there was some reason why they made the acceptance fee the same for residents and non-residents .... Kubby/I will ask. Vanderhoef/Item #16 is the schedule of all of these things and I suspect that this might be the information sheet that will be handed and shown to people who come to the shelter and there isn't anything on this one that says the penalty for failure to comply ..... It would just seem to me there ought to be a simple statement someplace there as an information statement that there is a penalty for non- compliance .... Dilkes/It will be a municipal infraction or a simple misdemeanor subject to penalty. Norton/Where do you want to change the wording? Vanderhoef/...it would just be an addition. Norton/At what point. Vanderhoef/Depending on how this document is being used .... bottom at each page .... Kubby/Just direct staff on the information that is handed out, to have that statement. Vanderhoef/Someplace .... behooves us to let people know that there other ways then that they could be fined for non-compliance. Kubby/Will the guidelines for rodeos and circuses be coming to us later? Thomberry/There are fees for that. Kubby/They were going to write up some guidelines as to what they would be looking for in terms of granting or denying a permit. Maybe I will just ask about that .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 47 Nov/They had a whole list of treating the animals kindly regulations and I thought that that would probably apply to everyone. Kubby/Pet shops, boarding kennels, breeders ..... Nov/General rules and regulations. Norton/I thought they were going to have some special things on what they would actually do when they go to check a rodeo. Kubby/ Baker/Also are there state requirements for rodeos and circuses ...... Norton/We had better be sure we know what we are doing .... Kubby/ Norton/ Kubby/Adopt what this is and when we do have, we would just do an addition. Norton/We should ask the staff to consider a special section to deal with rodeos and circuses. Thornberry/I noticed there were young people .... rodeo ....prize money .... Norton/I see there is a circus at Adventureland that you can go to, too. Thornberry/I did call for a ticket for Naomi ..... Nov/I also declined a ticket to a baseball game. Kubby/There is also this word on the breeder rules and regulations on #7. There is a word, I have no idea what it means. Norton (Can't hear). Kubby/What does that mean? Norton/Giving birth ....act of giving birth .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 48 Kubby/Did you have another thing, Dee. Vanderhoef/Yeah, I did. This is in item #16, next to the last page, breeder rules and regulations .... bottom... 5, 6, & 7. Kubby/They seem the same, don't they? ..... I will ask about that. Vanderhoef/Because 7. sounds like the exception but 5. & 6.- Norton/We noticed that before and Misha had some explanation for that. Kubby/ Nov/5. & 6. don't make sense. Vanderhoef/ Kubby/I think it is suppose to say that only so many animals can be bred during a year period .... Norton/They are not the same at all .... Kubby/ Norton/You can't have no more than two litters .... Vanderhoef/ Nov/An animal cannot give birth to more than two litters .... Council/(All talking). Norton/This does need to be clad fled. Council/(All talking). 13. Vanderhoef/(Agenda #23 - UI Biology Building) Item #23 which is the easements for the University and the building of the Biology Building and the loss of parking that Joe tells me is something between 20 to 25 parking spaces and there have been agreements previously that contractors pay $10 a day per parking meter when they are not in use. We are talking about a very long time period here of decreasing the parking on Iowa Avenue and I would like to see if we could This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 49 negotiate with the University to get 25 spaces in the parking lot at the comer of Gilbert and Iowa Avenue and move 25 of our long term five hour meters into that lot .... My concern is parking for next 2-3 years in that area .... Atkins/I will contact the University. Norton/ ....we can try. Atkins/I will call tomorrow and report tomorrow night. Kubby/Other issue .... is making sure that the... there is murals on the plywood fence around the new Alumni Building and I would like to see that kind of artwork .... Norton/ 14. Thomberry/Two things. We had a fire over the weekend and a fireman got hurt. How is he? Atkins/(Can't hear). Thomberry/It was reported on the news that a fireman was hurt. Atkins/ Thomberry/... I would like to know. Karr/Steve, I am not picking you up at all. Kubby/ 15. Thomberry/I have got one other thing. It is two street lights that are out. Nov/Do that later. 16. Nov/I have a few things... The National League of Cities meeting in December is requesting our ideas on amendments to their national policy .... form to fill out. I have a brochure registration form, etc., if anyone is interested ....First weekend in December .... 3rd to the 6th in Philadelphia. If we as a city submit an amendment or resolution that changes national policy, we should be there ....early registration cut-offis 26th of September. Norton/How many of us are going? Do we have a policy on this regard? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 50 Nov/We don't have a policy. Kubby/People get two conferences a year out of state. Nov/We don't have a policy that says no more than so many city council members should go to one meeting. Council (All talking). Nov/Okay folks .... 17. Nov/All of us have registration forms to the Iowa League of Cities .....That one is the 24th to 26th of September. Karr/If any of you are debating going to either one, let me know as soon as possible so I can make the arrangements. Nov/...earlier cut-off date. Karr/If three go, the fourth one is free. We need to do it as a package. Nov/...mid-August .... Housing requests have to be in by 24th of August. Registration is also the 24th of August ..... Let Marian know .... 18. Nov/The Lieutenant Governor's Committee on Diversity is offering Prism Awards... asking for nominations. CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 97-104 SIDE 2 Kubby/ Nov/We could even put in our Human Rights Ordinance .... Iowa entities and individuals whose projects .... significant contribution to development .... recognition of value of diversity in our state ....I will pass it on to the Human Rights Commission ..... our ordinance .... Vanderhoef/Wouldn't we, as a council, nominate our Commission rather than handing it onto the Commission to have them nominate themselves? Nov/I am not sure how to do this but I am going to pass it on ....it can be an individual or not. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497 July 14, 1997 Council Work Session page 51 Norton/Also our program last winter was very significant .... Kubby/You mean the Martin Luther King? Norton/Yes. Kubby/That was interesting because it was University and the City through the Senior Center. Norton/Cooperative thing. Kubby/Other issue would be CDRE .... city helped to co-found. 19. Nov/I have a notice of a training conference for Safer Communities Brighter Futures ....Crime and substance abuse ....End of August... Law enforcement and others ....August 25/26, August 26/28 .... Karr/Those are council meeting dates, 25 & 26. Norton/ Nov/It came in today's mail ..... 20. Karr/One thing quickly. We have a need for a August special meeting. So I urge all of you to look at your August schedules .... let me know... because of the library roof, it will be necessary to have a special meeting .... important that I have the updated schedules... Date... bids come in August 12. So couldn't be any earlier than August 13. Nov/Okay, 13th or later. Karr/Need to update and be sure we have that information .... have four in town .... Adjourned: 9:45 PM This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 14, 1997 WS071497