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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1997-09-08 TranscriptionSeptember 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 1 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session 7:00 PM Council: Nov, Baker, Kubby, Lehman, Norton, Thomberry, Vanderhoef. Staff: Atkins, Helling, Karr, Dilkes, Franklin, Davidson, Miklo, Schoon McClure. Tapes: 97-123, Side 2; 97-124, all; 97-125, all. Review Zoning Matters 97-123 S2 a. Consider a motion setting a public hearing for September 23 on an ordinance amending the Zoning Chapter by changing the zoning designation from RS-5, Low Density Single- Family Residential to OPDH-5, Planned Development Housing Overlay Zone, for property located east of Somerset Lane and south of Wellington Drive, and for preliminary plat approval of Village Green Part Fifteen, a 36.75 acre, 1-lot residential subdivision with 3 outlots. (REZ97-0012 & SUB97-0016) Franklin/First item is to consider setting a p.h. for September 23 on a rezoning for approximately 36.7 acres... Wellington Condominiums. b. Public hearing on an ordinance amending the Zoning Chapter by conditionally changing the zoning designation from RM-20, Medium Density Multi-Family Residential, and RS-5, Low Density Single-Family Residential, to OSA-20 and OSA-5, Sensitive Areas Overlay Zone, for approximately 1.9 acres located at 1122-1136 N. Dubuque Street. (REZ97-0003) Franklin/ .... a p.h. on an ordinance which rezones the Cliff's Apartments property from RM-20, RD-5 to OSA-20, OSA-5. This has to go through the Sensitive Areas Overlay because it is a sensitive areas. This is a plan to stabilize the hillside and this overhead shows the area that would be subject to grading .... The wall along this portion of the property would be rebuilt and reinforced with plantings .... rock fill... evergreens along this point here. This plan has less of an impact than the one we originally saw and then sent back to the applicant... fewer disruption of the existing slope. It does require that there be some work on the Ostegard's property which is the neighboring property... have agreed to this mediation plan. There are a couple of details on the document to be revised. We should have that signed agreement tomorrow. Lehman/Is that like rip rap put in between the two levels? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 2 Franklin/It is larger than that .... (refers to overhead). You can see With a cross section here... wall... existing hill is put out in terraces to this point which is the existing slope. This then is filled with rock....what holds this all together ....This is where the evergreens will be planted. Nov/Does this rock actually hold the wall this way? .... Franklin/It is of varying sizes... large rock .... Nov/ Franklin/What you will see here is large ....boulders... pile of rock. And here is dirt backfill and here is a wall. Norton/ Franklin/It is tied into bedrock .... Kirsten Frey was just speaking and she is the attorney for the applicant. The engineer from Terracon will be here for you p.h. tomorrow night .... It has been and will continued to be reviewed by Terracon. This is one of the conditions of the CZA is that Terracon will continue to be a party in this in terms of observing and monitoring the work as it is done. It has also been reviewed by city engineering staff and at this point, the P/Z Commission has recommended that we go for this and the engineers have recommended that also .... Kubby/Is there any discussion about the esthetics of the rock? .... Franklin/Yes. That was all discussed .... a pile of rock .... You don't want to get dirt and growing material in this rock area .... There is a drainage system that is built into this that will bring the water down through the system and out .... Kubby/ Norton/Put some Astroturf over it. Nov/Is there going to be some variation in the color of the rocks? .... Franklin/I can't answer that question .... rocks come in different colors .... The rock that you are going to see on the surface is going to be larger. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 3 Nov/I am looking into the variation in color that you would get from river rock. Franklin/ Kubby/Do they think they can get this completed by the deadline in November? Franklin/I will have you ask him that question tomorrow night also. I think there is some question as to whether that can happen. Nov/I have already asked somebody else about that. They are just not sure that it can be done. We will ask it again. Franklin/If it is not down by November 1, it is incumbent upon the applicant to go to court and get an extension as opposed for the city to take any action. Our action would be, if it is not done by November 1, is the fine. Vanderhoef/And the drainage system comes down and ties directly into our storm sewer? Franklin/Right. Norton/... bedrock .... Kubby/ Lehman/ Franklin/To tie in for the wall. I would ask questions again tomorrow night when the engineer is here. c. Consider an ordinance amending Title 14, Chapter 6, entitled "Zoning," Article E, entitled "Commercial and Business Zones," Section 2, entitled "Neighborhood Commercial Zone (CN-1)," to permit any retail or personal service use in the CN-1 zone with a size limitation to help ensure neighborhood compatibility. (Second consideration) Franklin/Second consideration on an ordinance amendment to CN-1 zone. The applicant has requested expedited consideration of this if there are six people that can expedite and agree to it. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 4 d. Consider an ordinance amending Title 14, Chapter 6, entitled "Zoning," Article N, entitled "Off-Street Parking and Loading," to increase the parking requirements for residential uses in the CB-5, Central Business Support Zone. (Second consideration) Franklin/Second consideration of the increase of the parking requirements in the CB-5 zone. e. Consider an ordinance amending Title 14, "Unified Development Code" of the City Code by amending Chapter 9, Article A, entitled "Parking Facility Impact Fee" to revise the formula for payment in the CB-5 Zone. (Second consideration) Franklin/Is second consideration on the Parking Facility Impact fee change. fi Consider a resolution approving the preliminary plat of Windsor Ridge, Parts Nine through Fourteen, a 80.1 acre, 127-1ot residential subdivision located at the north terminus of Arlington Drive and Barrington Road. (SUB97-0012) Franklin/Consider a resolution approving the preliminary plant for Windsor Ridge, Parts 9-14. It is an 80 acre, 127 lot subdivision that is continuation of the Windsor Ridge Development. The P/Z Commission has recommended approval on a vote of 7-0 subject to the sensitive areas site plan being approved. That has been approved. Parts 12-14 are all dependent upon the extension of Court Street .... (refers to map). The extension of Court Street is another item on your agenda later on tonight .... That is in your CIP. The developer will be responsible for extending it from here to Taft. We will be discussing this stretch that is just west of here. Sheffield which is the one street where we had some discussion (refers to map) .... This had been platted to extend out to Taft Avenue .... it is in a cul de sac... evergreen screening along Taft Avenue and then there is also a walkway that will be provided between these two lots. Norton/What does that leave for distance between American Legion and Court? Franklin/ ....Between Court and American Legion is about 1/2 mile. Norton/ Nov/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 5 Franklin/(Refers to map) .... probably will be another access there. But in terms of through streets that come from existing developments to Taft, American Legion.. then Court... then Lower West Branch .... Norton/... Sheffield .... Franklin/There are site distance issues and grading .... Norton/ Franklin/It was a matter of timing also ....Taft is probably many years off.... Vanderhoef/Since you are putting through... for trail purposes, are we going to require this developer to put the sidewalk in on the west side of Taft? Franklin/No ....We will probably do it as a public project just as we have done Scott Blvd. Vanderhoef/ Franklin/...nothing to go to there except country road. Kubby/...What is the advantage to the city to keep accepting things as public open space where we have to maintain it? .... Franklin/... we have quite a trail system through here .... If that trail system is going to function as an alternative transportation system for that distance between Court and American Legion, that by having control over all those areas where the trail system is, we can insure that is kept open and maintained properly. Kubby/Is the purpose of the pond esthetic? Franklin/(Refers to map) .... It was an esthetic as opposed to stormwater management. We didn't feel we wanted to take on responsibility for that .... Kubby/ Franklin/That is for the future .... It is in this outlot up here that is going to require further OSA because it is a sensitive area. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 6 Kubby/What are the affects upstream and downstream in terms water flow and water quality and wildlife habitat? Franklin/That is the point that Scott was raising in his staff report .... We are going to have to pay attention to those issues. We wanted to bring them up now so the developer was aware. Norton/Does Julie Tallman look at these for the SAO? Franklin/She reviews those. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 7 SEATS Update 97-123 S2 Nov/...update. Vanderhoef/We met on Friday... We have put together a list of things which need to happen in the contract. The county is meeting tomorrow and discussing it at their formal meeting and we will get back together on Wednesday. That is where we are. I did notice... our last work meeting...mentioned about discussing it at the joint meeting on the 17th. I don't think this is an appropriate place for a conversation about this. We are negotiating just fine and I don't know that having this conversation with the school board and everyone else is the time and place to have that. Kubby/So when do we do that? Vanderhoef/Well, we will find out on Wednesday for sure what is happening... suspect we will be bringing something back for council to put on the agenda .... Nov/And that is this week, Wednesday. Vanderhoef/We will have time to do it. Nov/We will have time to revise the agenda. Marian, have we heard from any others about agenda items. Karr/No, we gave a deadline of Wednesday, the 10th, for agenda items. Kubby/What about the possibility of not coming to a resolution at your meeting on Wednesday? If there is not resolution and agreement on Wednesday, we need to broaden this out to a different body so that we can get it moving forward and decide what to do. Thornberry/You let us know what you want to do and we will negotiate them- I will tell you where we are, what we want and what the county wants. What we are agreeable to is a three year contract with a 4% cost of living and cost of additional doing business each year, from the first to the second and the second to the third. That would take us from $560,000 a year from the first year to $605,696 in the third year at 4%. What the county wants is an increase between this year and next year of 9% and 4% on the following year which takes us from $46,667 which is $560,000 a year to $634,816 per year. Where we have a problem with that is the This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 8 9% increase that the county wants between the first and second year and 4% between the second and third year. This is a $74,816 increase to the tax payers in the three year period. It is a $24,939 increase per year. From the previous year to last year there were 14,523 fewer rides, fewer rides than there were the year before. This is a 22% decrease in ridership. We think that a 13% increase in fares is, over the three year period, is unreasonable due to the fact that we have had a 22% decrease in ridership in one year. Nov/ ....what is the increase in service cost? Thomberry/It would be a 13% over a three year period .... Nov/What is our comparison of this year versus last year? Thornberry/$560,000. Nov/ Thornberry/Last year was- Vanderhoef/$538- This $560- is only if we go into a three year contract because what they are asking is $613,000 for a one year .... Thomberry/It would be $613,000 .... Kubby/There has been no movement .... Thornberry/You didn't know all those figures. I am giving you information ..... We have asked for a three year contract, 4% increase each year knowing that the cost of living is not even 4%. Vanderhoef/And knowing that ridership has decreased. Thornberry/ Norton/Do you expect it to further decrease? Thornberry/Yes, we do .... More buses are capable of carrying these people. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 9 Vanderhoef/The other figure that is important to put into perspective here is that not only are they asking for a 9% increase, they have a remainder this year of $103,000 and they are asking for another 9% when there is that much remaining there .... Thomberry/They had money left over this last year. They had money left over the year before. Vanderhoef/They had $125,000 left over the previous year in FY96. So it doesn't seem real reasonable to continue on? Kubby/ .... I am wondering where the movement has been on our side or their side and if there is not movement that we can agree to .... how do we continue the conversation? .... That is one of the purposes of the city county meetings .... So when do we have a chance to get both bodies together? Thomberry/The two negotiators for the county are Steve Lacina and Joe Bolkcom. Steve Lacina has said very little. We have been negotiating with Joe Bolcum. The other supervisors have not been kept apprised of the negotiations according to Charlie Duffey and Sally. So they really don't know what is going on because the information hasn't been disseminated to the rest of the county supervisors. So we are waiting to see what they do at their next county commissioner meeting so that they get all of the information that we presented. I plan on being there... Norton/ Vanderhoef/They are going to the board tomorrow. Thornberry/ .... they have come back with nothing .... They want a three year contract but we don't think a 13% increase over a three year period is justified ....two year period .... Nov/We have had some increase this year... Your 13% is a two year period .... Norton/Any discussion about what to do with potential carry-overs? Thomberry/We have asked them for our money back and they said no .... We countered by saying you didn't live up to the agreement... The city lived up to their agreement... The county did not live up to its contract .... They have given has no reports .... They have contracted for a certain number of vehicles... and the number This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 10 of hours... that they were to supply for paratransit ....So they did not live up to their contract .... Kubby/I thought they reported to us earlier that the county was going to give us a rebate, a percentage of trip minutes or whatever. Vanderhoef/ Thomberry/Now they are saying they don't think so. Vanderhoef/It is up in the air ....We have asked for a larger percent back than what they had offered us .... Kubby/Are we paying that percentage out? Thomberry/Yes, we are. Vanderhoef/We are paying more than what they offered us percentage-wise. What we are asking for in the upcoming contract is any unspent moneys in the paratransit budget at the end of the FY in June .... We will have to find a fair way that we both can agree upon on how to fix that percentage. Kubby/ Vanderhoef/That part is up in the air ..... It doesn't look like we are paying as much .... federal, state moneys and Medicaid moneys are all grouped together and subtracted out so they don't pay us and then we pay them back... When you see the bottom line for out budget, it is very much lower than what it really ....So there is a whole list of other moneys that get used. Kubby/Again, I am asking a process question. If our negotiating team can't reach an agreement .... Vanderhoef/We will put something together. Thomberry/Tell us what you want us to do. If you want to pay this $613,000 a year- Kubby/I am not suggesting This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session Council/(All talking). Norton/But once you bring us a package where they stand .... you bring it back to us... then we, as a body, have to decide how to respond to that. Vanderhoef/So it is our conversation at that point is what it is. Thornberry/Either stick to your guns folks because Iowa City is in Johnson County .... It is a double hit for the people in Iowa City and if you want to pay what the county wants, just let us know. Nov/If we get to the point of discussing this at the joint meeting, we discuss the issues, the principles, not the numbers .... Norton/The double taxation .... Thornberry/ .... There are alternatives to what we want and what they want .... We are waiting for the county's response. But we do have other alternatives available. Norton/When is our joint meeting? Nov/17th. Can we have something in the way of a written report for the Friday packet? Vanderhoeff (Yes). page 11 Nov/Thank you. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 12 Angle Parking Downtown 97-123 S2 Nov/Angled parking .... Jeff Davidson/When Joe and I met with you last winter... discuss the Downtown Parking Study... you directed us to do... explore... opportunities to convert parallel onstreet parking in the downtown area to angle parking ..... additional parking spaces. We have done that investigation .... recommendation... looked at four blocks .... Concluded that the ten block of S. Linn Street .... and 200 block of S. Linn and 300 block of E. College are suitable .... We would propose in those three blocks doing a conversion .... The design work... factor it into the Downtown Streetscape Plan .... Looks to us we might be able to come up with a net increase of 20 spaces .... good deal .... In 300 block of E. College... there is kind of a temporary pavement that has been added on in front of that block that with city crews could be taken out... give us another two feet .... Li~m... relocation of parking meters... tree ..... But we do not recommend that 100 block of Linn .... Also took a look at Clinton Street again .... do not recommend converting to angle parking on Clinton Street .... Emphasize that this does not happen without any change in the character of these streets... increased congestion .... accident rate increase .... minor fender bender type of accident.. You do it with some peril... Clinton Street... higher speeds... Therefore we do not recommend it on Clinton Street. Nov/On the College Street block, are you talking about angle parking on both sides of the streets? Davidson/On all of these blocks we are proposing one side of the street to be converted to angle parking and the other side to remain parallel. Kubby/How do you decide which side? Davidson/Each block, logical circumstance .... logically fell out ....drive in bank at First National .... Vanderhoef/So it is all going to be on the east side of the street on Linn Street? Davidson/That is correct... South side of the street on College. Kubby/ Nov/Have we considered 400 block on College Street? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 13 Davidson/Some possibilities .... Nov/Section in front of the Rec Center. Does that make any sense? Fowler/I think it was more my concern on that block... size of vehicles through there with the size of buses ....number of cars... Chauncey Swan ....hurt both our site and conflicts .... Nov/ Norton/I want to ask about Clinton Street again? Do you really consider that in four traffic lanes at the moment? Davidson/It is that wide .... Norton/ Davidson/One of the differences .... traffic control along there .... You can end up picking up some pretty high speed on that street .... Norton/Wouldn't that be primarily on the south bound lane? .... Davidson/We took a traffic count and it showed both directions were pretty similar with speeds. Lehman/ Norton/Only in the ten block .... Davidson/...possibility putting angle parking in on both sides of the street and thereby really slowing the speeds down... 9,600 vehicles a day .... Norton/Does seem we are frittering away one side of that street? Nov/We are going to have increased traffic on that street .... Davidson/If you decide to do these three blocks, we can always come back later.. experience... Van Buren .... sometimes it doesn't work very well .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 14 Norton/ Davidson/ Lehman/I think we should try it. Vanderhoef/I am in favor of trying this. I had one more idea ....one block of Dubuque Street between Iowa Avenue and Washington Street .... presently using a center loading zone... ugly... rear ends of a whole bunch of trucks .... more interested in making a trade off that we put angle parking on the west side of that street and put loading zones on the east side of that street and get the trucks out of the middle .... Lehman/...do fill loading zones .... tickets .... You don't find cars parking in the middle of the street .... Trucks are still going to do that. Vanderhoef/ Norton/Do the ones that they are proposing .... try a limited .... Kubby/ Norton/ Thornberry/...parking in the center on Dubuque Street .... Council/(All talking). Davidson/Go ahead with three blocks. Council/(Yes). This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 15 Iowa Avenue Streetscape 97-123 S2 Nov/Iowa Avenue Streetscape. Franklin/...why we were even looking at the Iowa Avenue streetscape... refresh everybody. We had a sewer problem in Iowa Avenue that needs to be repaired... Also had problems with accessibility to businesses along Iowa Avenue .... brought it to the fire... opportunity to look at some enhancements to this area because it is at the entrance to downtown ....Opportunity at bringing Iowa Avenue to a state similar to Washington Street ....Sewer, sidewalks issues and looking at downtown generally. That this was a time to look at Iowa Avenue.. spruce it up to enhance it. We have hired a consultant, Adams and Clark... Brian Clark.. short presentation to you... they have held public meetings .... different interest groups .... They wanted to have this meeting with the council... opportunity for the council to give the consultants some input on your views .... Issue .... has been that of parking and the diminishment of parking on Iowa Avenue .... Parking.. primary feature of Iowa Avenue... if we are going to look at Iowa Avenue... If there is to be anything of any substance done to Iowa Avenue, to really make a change, there is going to be an impact on parking. However, you can do things to the streetscape that have no affect on parking. CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 97-124 SIDE 1 Franklin/ .... What we would like to show you tonight is 1- A recommendation of a committee of people who have been working on this with the consultant. That includes staff as well as some downtown business people .... Brian will present these two options and then we will have some discussions... Like some direction from you as to how to proceed ....next step is to refine the work that they have done. Kubby/Could we have the committee members wave their hands? Franklin/Sure. Gerry Ambrose, David... Jim Clayton, Bob, Emily Rubright, Larry Wilson, Rick Fosse, Joe Fowler. Brian Clark/Also Sandy .... My name is Brian Clark of Adams and Clark Landscape Architect .... exciting project for our office... great opportunity for Iowa City .... We had a public input session on August 4... University officials... mayor... P/Z officials... students, business people .... art community as well. We generated really six points that keep arising as concerns of those members: This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 16 1- Parking is a premium and a zero net loss is desired .... try to relocate them on the surface .... within one block area. 2- The corridor is unique to Iowa .... Emily from Project Green .... historical perspective .... need to respect it in different ways. 3-This is really the gateway to downtown .... 4-It is important to connect with the University, connect the city to the University .... 5- Better accommodate pedestrian traffic ..... 6- Last point that came out of our focus group... think big picture. We met with the core committee and presented five options .... range from 0% parking loss to 75% parking loss ..... debated the five concepts... came out of there with a concept that begins to hit most of these points .... What you see before you is that concept... (refer to other concepts)... do nothing concept .... adds five B's, benches, ballards, banners, bricks and bike racks ....By doing that I don't think you would realize the full potential of this corridor .... The concept that was recommended by the core committee is this Phase 1 concept .... bright colors .... orange area (refers to map)... front yard area... house outdoor cafes, garden spaces... art .... public private partnership of activity. The green area... street fumishings... plant... trees... light... benches .... trash receptacles. The more gold color ....major pedestrian corridor... ten foot wide .... accommodate pedestrian traffic ....Blue is indicated as a bike parking zone ....Pi~k indicates parking. Red indicates loading zones and creme or white indicates traffic. What we are proposing... do away with central parking down the middle, create a two way lane of traffic centered on the Capital, opening that vista up... parallel parking on either side .... this could be angles parking .... (refers to map) .... create... outdoor care... outdoor art... garden spaces ....That is really the guts of the recommended concept. Norton/What is the net loss in parking there. Clark/ .... This concept is a 25% parking loss or 67 stalls .... we can recover 26 on .... Dubuque .... 20 from Jeff's study .... Council/(All talking). Nov/Show me again how wide is your sidewalk between Linn And Dubuque? .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session Clark/The orange space is 13 feet, the sidewalk is ten feet ....26 feet .... Nov/What about the little stairways? .... Clark/With the extended real estate... greater opportunities to deal with accessibility issues another way .... Nov/ Clark/ Nov/I am just looking for more pedestrian space on that block. Council/(All talking). Clark/I am going to show you a long term... tied to a parking structure on the Northside. We need to look at this corridor in the long term plan .... long term parking structure... a two lane one way concept... with one way traffic eat-west, all focusing the attention on the Capitol. Angle parking on both sides and then development of the entire street corridor on both sides. This is a section of the area .... This is a plan enlargement .... (refers to plans) .... Vanderhoef/ Clark/This shows parallel parking in the sketch ....(refers to plans). Vanderhoef/Are you saying that it is parallel parking there or is it parallel loading zone there? Clark/It is parallel parking with coordinated timed loading ....We are open for ideas. Lehman/ Clark/We are not building a loading zone along that edge, correct. Norton/ Lehman/That particular block, it is very difficult to service that block from the alleyway .... There is going to be a little problem for a business along that line. page 17 This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 18 Clark/Our proposal was timed loading .... drop off your goods between this time ....That is how it is done in Des Moines .... Kubby/Signed as such. Clark/ Nov/Let's do that for beer trucks. Thomberry/I can't have unloading in my parking lot at noon .... Kubby/...suggestion ....putting back the fountain at Iowa and Dubuque. Any discussion of that? Clark/Yes, there was discussion of that. We are not far enough along in the design process to talk about fountains ....We felt we needed to get parking and circulation resolved with you all .... Lehman/Karin, is there sewer work that needs to be done on the streets, is that correct? .... Franklin/My understanding is the sewer goes right through the parking, the center parking there .... right down the middle. Thomberry/Is there a tunnel under there? Clark/I don't believe so. Nov/Underground parking. Clark/ Lehman/Karin... timing of this... along with replacement of the sewer. Franklin/Right, that is one reason why we got moving on this project before we did the downtown streetscape plan ..... We needed to move forward on this because of the sewer project and then we decided to do the downtown streetscape plan and these will be coordinated. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 19 Lehman/ Clark/ ....long terms plan had it one way. Lehman/Center of the street.. treated in the same fashion in either plan. Kubby/He is saying no. That the center parking is taken out in the long term vision. Lehman/ Franklin/The two choices, the two directions that we can take at this point in time .... go with the recommendation of the committee which is .... to take that center parking out .... The other option is to not take that center parking out... Now is the time to make that kind of decision .... Lehman/Is there a difference in thickness between travel lanes and parking? Franklin/No... It does make a difference because your side works with the sidewalks, you are going to mobilize that all at one time and do the project as a whole .... Lehman/... it is the work along the sides ....this is the kind of work that we would do at the same time. Franklin/Yes... Clark/We talked about creating a utility corridor on one side of the street .... sanitary line... coordinate the utilities... put it in an area that is not going to disturb the traffic .... Lehman/ ....talking about then moving the sewer and putting it in a different location? Clark/We don't know... potential exists for creating a utility corridor. Where that goes, we don't know yet. Norton/ Clark/(Refers to map). Norton/So you have kind of extended the concept of that first block further east? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 20 Kubby/We are talking about 67- Clarks/67 stalls that you would lose off this concept. Kubby/ ....in the long run .... Clark/Change this to angle here, you add seven more cars .... Kubby/So we are talking a net loss of 13-14. Council/(All talking). Lehman/ .... as to where the replacement parking is .... Clinton Street, yeah... that is replacing them in an area that is very very close to where you are taking them away. Norton/ Lehman/I am just saying if you are going to replace parking spaces, some of the ones we are talking about... as far away from this area as the Capital Street Ramp. I don't consider that replacement parking. Norton/ Lehman/I think realistically for businesses on that particular block .... you move them much more than a block away, I don't know if that is replacement parking. Nov/ Clark/Gerry Ambrose who owns Malones .... Gerry, would 26 stalls located on Dubuque in this location, in your mind, would be an okay substitute? Gerry Ambrose/(Can't hear). I think along as this is angle parking... we would be willing to sacrifice the parking for the look of this street. That street is embarrassing, fi'ankly .... Kubby/Was there talk o£raising the elevation of Iowa Avenue to deal with some of the accessibility issues? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 21 Clark/There was ....no way to raise the load to a level that would accommodate the businesses .... Norton/Having this... front yard... that seems to me.. eases possibility of incorporating ramps. Kubby/Eleanor .... streamline process for businesses to use the public r.o.w .... accessibility. Is it possible to then allow them to have some kind of elevation within that orange area...? slowly angles up to inside .... Dilkes/I think it is a possibility ....an agreement for use of the r.o.w .... Nov/ ....there are businesses here that have a three foot elevation. I don't think you can do that kind of slope. Kubby/ Franklin/What we need from the council tonight is direction as to whether we should instruct Brian to proceed with the committee's recommended option that he has explained to you tonight. Thornberry/ Franklin/That long range plan for the three blocks being one way, that doesn't have to be .... Norton/ Franklin/ Kubby/A net loss of 13-14 parking spaces seems like a reasonable tradeoff.... Nov/I would say go ahead with it. Franklin / Okay, ! have got five there. Lehman/I have a little problem... 5% loss .... people right now complain about walking two blocks .... I guess I would like to see... idea of angle parking along Clinton This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 22 Street in front of the Airliner space .... Is the space along Phillips Halls, is that Iowa City property or University of Iowa property? .... Franklin/On Clinton? Lehman/ Franklin/In terms of ownership, I don't know after Dubuque Street .... even if we don't own it, we have at least a public access easement over it as we do on Dubuque Street .... Lehman/ .... if we can make some of that parking up in closer proximity and I think it is a lot more palpable .... Franklin/What I am hearing is some enthusiasm for this option but a continued concern for the parking and that if we can look for more options for angle parking closer to Iowa Avenue, we should do that. Nov/I don't know that you hear that many people saying that. Norton/ Franklin/Okay. Kubby/The focus groups were saying the replacement parking should be within one block .... Lehman/I don't think we can get them all within once block but I think we can do better than what we are talking about. Norton/ ....Clinton .... Nov/ Kubby/As a bicyclist that goes down Clinton a lot, I am glad for that wide space .... Norton/Can't have everything .... Franklin/Okay, I think we have direction. Thanks, Brian. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 23 Kubby/Thanks, thank you to the committee. Thomberry/How many times did you meet to come up with this? .... Clark/As a committee we met 3-4 times .... Lehman/ Clark/ Lehman/ ....this really leaves the door open to do the rest of it. Kubby/ Nov/Few more trees .... Council/(All talking). This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 24 Washington Street Two-Way 97-124 S1 Nov/Washington Street. Davidson/Another issue that has been hanging around for some time .... the possibility of changing Washington back to two way operation .... Staff had extensive discussion of this issue ....explore all the possibilities of doing this ....There are positive aspects of doing it. There are negative aspects of doing it ....One thing that we are not advocating is the downtown transit interchange being changed to a two way operation... that would not be our recommendation. However between Clinton Street and Linn Street... we do feel .... would be reasonable to do. The positive aspects that you see listed... easier to understand the downtown street system, easier for motorists to find the Capital Street Parking Ramp .... Negative aspects .... There is a very heavily used... outlaw loading zone between Brown Bottle and Herteen and Stockers Jewelers ....That would have to go away .... simply trying to convert if back to two way .... Norton/Would that mean there would not be parallel parking there either? Davidson/The official loading zone up by the bank would remain. But the vehicles that park essentially in the travel lane would have to go away. Council/ Lehman/The Jefferson Building has a fair amount of vehicles that use that building in and out constantly during the day .... two flower shops .... Kubby/If you have two lanes and two way traffic, there is no space. Lehman/ Norton/ Baker/You have a loading zone just down the block there. Davidson/That would need to be part of the traveled way .... We would need to reconfigure the angled parking areas .... And once again, there would be increased congestion from doing this .... We would be introducing opposing left tum movements into this .... In a downtown area we accept higher levels of congestion than we do anywhere else in town .... Impact on pedestrians. There would be a This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 25 slowing down of vehicles... additional conflict points .... maybe positive, maybe negative .... Open it up for discussion. Lehman/Jeff, how did this come up, the idea of making this two way? Davidson/ .... last winter when you had the downtown strategy committees .... discussed this issue specifically .... a lot of people kind of being in favor of it until we got to the issue of the unofficial loading zone .... Kubby/The DTA would like it. Lehman/ Davidson/As I recall, the memo from the DTA... said consider it ..... Norton/ ....How much is there now to service the Jefferson Building? .... Davidson/They can use the one up by the bank .... Council/(All talking). Davidson/Joe, is there an enforcement thing there with that loading zone? Can that possibly be opened up a little more? .... Joe Fowler/By the bank, right now I would say there is a mixture of legal and illegal use of that loading zone. It is very heavily used... quite a few of them have signs on them .... I don't think there is capacity to serve the Jefferson Building at that point. Baker/If we do angle parking on Clinton, don't we lose a loading zone in front of the Airliner? Norton/Wouldn't have to .... Baker/ Kubby/When you look at the positives... can find the Capital Street Ramp .... Council/(All talking). This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 26 Vanderhoef/ .... straight south on Clinton Street .... When you talk about the Capital Street Parking Ramp ....However, we have two entrances to that parking ramp and one is Clinton Street ....I would like to see if we can start talking about that ramp as the Clinton Capital Street Ramp .... Kubby/ Norton/I like the Clinton Ramp .... Baker/That is wonderful. Let's re-name it the Clinton Street Ramp and open up Washington for two way traffic ....improve the traffic flow... improves your whole movement down there .... Council/(All talking). Lehman/If we really want to make that two lane... make it work... wouldn't we really have to destroy most of the streetscape we put in those two blocks? Davidson/There has been some discussion of putting Washington Street back to the way it used to be. Lehman/ ....we almost have to destroy everything we did. Davidson/ ....more flexibility with the travel way .... Council/(All talking). Baker/ Lehman/I think you do to make it really work... still going to see folks using that Jefferson Building who are going to have to stop there an they are going to stop there .... horrendous problem .... Davidson/Jeff has just pointed out to me that there is some signage indicating commercial vehicle loading zone in that area in front of Jefferson. I didn't realize that .... It goes away if it becomes a two way street .... Vanderhoef/We have got two flower shops down there... they need a loading zone. I cannot see taking that loading zone away .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 27 Lehman/ ....destroy what we have already done there .... Council/(All talking). Norton/You have two lanes of traffic now... Davidson/There are two travel lanes, one of which is apparently designated for commercial vehicles... Council/(All talking). Nov/You cannot have two lanes of travel on that street. Thomberry/I think there are four votes to say kind of leave it like it is. Council/(All talking). Baker/If you want to talk about revitalizing downtown.. this is one very clear way to change part of people's perception of downtown of being unmanageable to drive in .... Lehman/ Nov/There are a lot of pedestrians crossing the street in the middle of the block and they are watching for traffic on one side only .... If I were going to make it two ways, I would do it on the block in front of the Pentecrest .... Do the interchange block ..... Davidson/I had three solid no-s back there .... Norton/I am having a lot of trouble .... Lehman/Jeff, is there a way to configure that street with two lane traffic to continue a loading zone basically in front of Herteen and Stockers without really destroying what we have down there now? Davidson/ ....you have to narrow the sidewalk to do it, Ernie .... Lehman/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 28 Davidson/You either eliminate the travel-way where people walk or you eliminate newspapers and benches .... Vanderhoef/ ....neck down area... could will still keep the loading zone? ..... Davidson/ ....you need to widen .... Council/(All talking). Baker/Is the policy here that if there is a loading zone anywhere in downtown Iowa City, it is not going to be touched? Nov/No. Lehman/ ....realistically ..... Fowler/When we first... go back to years ago, it was not a loading zone and we enforced that heavily .... stayed open .... CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 97-124 SIDE 2 Fowler/ Lehman/ Fowler/If the loading zone was full, then they can go ahead and park in the street. Lehman/ Fowler/Then for some reason, it was determined to go ahead and actually sign the travel lane as a commercial loading zone so the University vehicles had a place to park and we were no longer issuing tickets in that area. Lehman/How long has it been that way? Fowler/ ....I don't have any idea. Lehman/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 29 Fowler/... always some abuse .... tumed it over into a loading zone. Baker/The abuse of that has a greater impact on traffic than the abuse of loading zones along Clinton .... Norton/It would be nice to create a loading them ..... Davidson/There is certainly plenty of time when that entire area is filled with vehicles .... Kubby/ ....so many times of day... the breadth of that sidewalk plays a crucial role .... Baker/I think you can have a two way street and maintain the current .... Kubby/ Norton/ Baker/ Thornberry/I think every loading zone is a little different, Larry .... Council/(All talking). Nov/Beer trucks are more often there on the two way block between Linn and Gilbert. Kubby/ Baker/The perception is that it is congested and hard to figure out ....I think this is a noticeable improvement. Nov/Do it in a two street system and put the traffic west bound on Iowa Avenue. Two ways instead of two two-ways. Lehman/Jeff, how much of a job would it be... Washington Street .... show what would have to be taken out .... to allow for loading and still allow for two way traffic. Davidson/Run a loading zone all the way down that side of the street? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session Lehman/Realistically, I think that is what is happening anyway. Davidson/We can take a look at that, Ernie. Lehman/....the street would not function as a two way street unless there was some place to put those people who are going to load because they are going to load .... traffic can't flow. Baker/ ....You can have a two way street, address those problems and figure it out. Norton/I kind of like the two way idea myself. Nov/ Davidson/We will take a look at what would have to come out and come back to you. Lehman/Yes. Thomberry/Were the neck downs there when it was two way? Davidson/I don't believe so. Thornberry/ ....intersection... four way stop sign .... Davidson/The intersection bump outs came with the 70's streetscape. Okay, we will come back to you. page 30 Council/(All talking). This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 31 Public Art Program 97-124 S2 Franklin/Let's address these questions. I sent you this information... forgot to label one of the columns .... The right hand column .... is 1% of the land hand column. The first question and all I need is four for us to go onto question 2. Are there four yeses for 1... Council/(All talking). Franklin/So, yes, we are going to do this. It is just a matter of how. 2. Should the funds for the program be derived from and used on specific projects or should there be flexibility in the application of funds. Council/(All talking-flexibility). Franklin/All right. What that means is that no matter how you derive the funds, that they will go into a pot and the determination of how they are to be used and where they are to be used with certain guidelines .... done by this advisory committee. 3. Is 1% the proper percentage to be used? Lehman/It depends. Franklin/Okay, let's step past that question .... 4. To which figure should we apply the percent allocation? Now what I have given you is- Bonds sales, the total CIP and then it could be either budgeted or actual... then... CIP for the targeted projects ..... called out in the original memo... which is arterial streets, trails, parks and buildings over $500,000. Then budget or actual. Nov/I don't like this $500,000 .... Franklin/If we get to the point that this is a 1% on targeted projects, then let's discuss the targeted projects .... the percentage. Norton/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 32 Baker/ Franklin/What I want you to decide right now is where you are going to apply the percent. Kubby/I like to total actual cost of targeted projects. Lehman/Depends on the target. Franklin/For example, FY95, you would take the $5 million .... Kubby/The total cost of the targeted project, the actual total cost of the targeted project. Norton/Talk on page 1 of your bond sales .... Franklin/First one... GO Bonds, 1997 .... $5 million plus. If you looked at the specific kinds of projects that we are talking about .... then that bond issue relates to $2,728,000 .... There are no targeted projects that we pay for with revenue bonds unless you count in the sewer plants... building .... Vanderhoef/We have also been doing some GO bonds on small projects .... Franklin/Go Bonds... disparity .... Kubby/Sometimes we may do a trail with federal moneys... these figures don't reflect that .... multi-financial .... Franklin/To make it as simple as possible would be to do the targeted projects for CIP and use the budget figures and not the actual .... because if we are going to incorporate this art component at the beginning of a project, we need to know... that we have got something to work with at the beginning of that project and the whole planning process for doing a project starts with your CIP .... looking at one FY at a time in terms of the percent allocation... do the percent allocation at the beginning of the budgeting process .... If you want to use the actual as opposed to the budgeted figure, what we would probably be doing is we would have the actual numbers for say FY95... not going to have those until the end of the FY .... for spending in FY96 on those projects ....just taking money from the year before .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 33 Baker/I think that is the way to do it but not have the $500,000 figure. Franklin/Is there general agreement, at least four of you, that the percent allocation would be calculated against the actual capital improvements for a FY on the targeted projects yet to be determined? Council/(All talking). Franklin/It is different from what I just recommended .... Council/(All talking). Franklin/Page 2 ....CIP Targeted Projects ....actual CIP, not the budgeted .... Kubby/I think the actual makes more sense because even though you are a year behind .... things come up where we actually don't do projects .... Baker/ Kubby/In case plans change. Franklin/So we are in FY98, if we were to start this program tomorrow, we would use the actual FY97. Then we would have $111,969 that would somehow be attributed. We would figure out where that money would come from, wouldn't we, Mr. Atkins? Norton/Use the last year to project the next one. What do you do? .... Franklin/We will figure it out .... It is being generated from the previous year .... identifying a pot of money to use for public art .... all of this is coming from the tax payers... takes it grossly from the CIP and outs it to our public art ....Are we agreed on that in terms of the actual? Okay. Kubby/If we go from actual, it doesn't have to take it out of a specific project? Franklin/No, it does not come out of specific projects. You are using it as a reference point to determine the amount of money in any particular year that you are going to have devoted to public art. What you are saying is you are going to base it on what you actually spent in CIP the previous FY. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 34 Kubby/... can use last year's actual targeted. Franklin/It is not real yet .... Council/(All talking). Thomberry/It would have to be paid in this year to be used next year. Franklin/If you decide this and we go forward with this, the next step is to put this committee together, the Public Art Advisory Committee. Their first challenge would be to outline where appropriate places would be for public art in conjunction with capital projects for the coming year or just where we need public art and there would be a plan for that as to how to extend that $111,000 and that would come back to council for you to ultimately approve. Lehman/ .... constant factor .... Seems to me that if you want a program that is really going to be functional and ongoing... you would be much better off having a fund that has a certain amount that is going to go in every year regardless .... Kubby/ Lehman/ Kubby/With this flexibility you don't have to spend the total 1% on a specific project and you can build up your fund .... Lehman/You would still maintain a certain level .... a set figure and you could set a maximum. Baker/ Norton/ Lehman/A per capita amount, perhaps that would work .... Franklin/The thing about a percent allocation based on your capital projects is that it goes correlate to the building that is going on in the community .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 35 Lehman/... if you tie it to larger projects, you are going to have peaks and valleys .... Franklin/Sewer plant project, I am not sure a committee would necessarily agree that you should put a significant amount .... Lehman/ Thomberry/ .... I think the people that are being taxed ....I don't think they need to pay any percent for art on top of their water bills ....sewer bills .... Norton/Back to our definition of targeted. We had better get clear with that. Nov/I think you have to consider the fact .... building is going to have trails .... It is a public building... I am talking about the water plant. Kubby/All the soccer kids are going down by the sewer .... Council/(All talking). Norton/Are we discussing what we mean by targeted projects? I thought we agreed on something here. Atkins/Are we committed to a policy of public art? Council/(Yes). Franklin/The first two questions have been answered. Thomberry/Most of the council said yes on that. Lehman/At least four. Atkins/If we are committed to the policy of public art, is it tied to capital projects? Have we chosen to do that? Nov/We have. Franklin/That has been the trend is to tie it to capital projects. It does not have to be. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 36 Atkins/I£we established the policy and we are choosing to tie it to capital projects? Is that correct? Nov/Yes. Atkins/So then we have to define the capital projects. Norton/Right. Atkins/We talked earlier about creating an amount of money. How we get there if it is through capital projects, how critical is that to you? Kubby/That is what we are talking about. Atkins/ ....how much money do you want to generate on an annual basis for public art? Norton/Probably ought to consider... floor and ceiling kind of question. Atkins/ Franklin/ Atkins/I am trying to understand the relationship between the policy and the source of money .... Franklin/There is ease in relating it to the CIP as opposed to deciding on a number ....If it is a percent, it is some relationship to something real. Kubby/ Atkins/If I know you have a public policy with respect to public art and there is some targeted amount of money that you are interested achieving .... Kubby/ Franklin/ Baker/Say 1%, not to exceed .... appropriate max. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 37 Atkins/For example... we will have 1% of amount spent on CIP .... not less than or more than. Nov/I think we have to target the project .... Atkins/Is this ordinance or policy? ....An ordinance is something very different. Franklin/Not necessarily. I disagree with you there. Baker/Ordinances can be overturned. Atkins/It is a lot more difficult. Thomberry/...things change .... Norton/Let's look at the history .... most of them have made it some percentage of some set of projects .... shall we limit the set of projects in any way? Franklin/Let's talk about the targeted projects then because I am not sure if it is the amount of money that is the issue .... look at CIP and n_ot bond sales. Look at the last sheet .... what seems more reasonable to you .... I heard actual from the majority. Okay. Kubby/... hard looking at CIP... hard for the committee to do a couple of big pieces year after year after year... good to have varied amounts of money. The committee has an ebb and flow to it .... Nov/I think the committee may have a choice .... Franklin/ .....flexibility that they would have. Kubby/ Lehman/Under this targeted projects, FY98 budget .... $323,748... What was the amount of the budget problems we were going to have because of the shortfall? Wasn't that $300,000 a year .... Franklin/That was in the General Fund. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 38 Lehman/I don't care where it was coming from. It is still $300,000 .... I think that is not acceptable. Norton/This is ought of $189 million. Nov/ Lehman/It is money whether it is General Fund money- Kubby/ Lehman/Last year it would have been $111,000. Franklin/Is there four people that want to reconsider question 4.? Kubby/No. Baker/No. Norton/No. Franklin/Okay, then can we go on to what the targeted projects are? Nov/Yes, let's do it. Norton/ ....You have got the limit of $500,000, right? Franklin/Yes. $500,000 or over .... Baker/Targeted projects, period. Kubby/Every year? Council/(All talking). Norton/Can I see what the numbers would look like, Karin, if you took out the $500,000 limit? Lehman/Top of this page. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 39 Norton/ Franklin/We very rarely do buildings. I£you took out the $500,000 limit which is on buildings. you would not see an appreciable change in this except in FY98, you would take the library out and- No, you wouldn't. What we would have that would be added in here is the renovation of the Civic Center, the remodeling of the police second floor .... $50- and $250,000. Nov/May I make a suggestion? Can we limited the targeted projects to something visible .... Franklin/Are you talking about buildings along or all targeted projects? .... Nov/Anything visible .... Franklin/You can do whatever you want to do. Norton/We ought to eliminate certain categories .... Nov/All water lines and sewer lies that are buried underground are not counted .... Franklin/Okay, a major project that is not included in the targeted projects is the Airport Master Plan renovations .... runways and acquisition or properties .... Thornberry/ ....percentage be based on $1 million or on the $10 million? Franklin/On the $10- Thomberry/The FAA will not pay 1% of their allocations for a monument. Franklin/Yes, they will. The Denver Airport... Cedar Rapids Airport .... Thornberry/ Franklin/You never get a yes or no from the FAA. It has been done, Dean. Nov/ ....I am talking about building a new terminal should include art. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 40 Thomberry/ .... I can't see the people paying an extra 1% on $10 million project of which we are only putting in $1 million. Franklin/But the 1% is broken up 90/10 also. Thornberry/You are telling me the federal government is going to buy an art piece? Franklin/Yes, as a matter of policy the federal government and the FAA, FTA .... Thornberry/ Franklin/You can use FTA for art and transit projects, yes. Nov/If we build a transit facility downtown, you an include art. Thomberry/I am not saying it should be artless .... Council/(All talking). Franklin/Targeted projects. The proposal that Naomi has put out there is anything that you can see .... Council/(All talking). Baker/As long as you can see the project, it is a source of revenue for the public art fund? Nov/Right and I would like to consider projects that have more oomph than things like traffic calming .... Thornberry/ Franklin/ Norton/Let Karin come up with a rational proposal .... Your targeted isn't quite clearly defined. Franklin/So you want it to be more than bridges, arterial streets, trails, parks and buildings over $500,000 but less than everything. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session Council/(Yes). Kubby/We know we want to keep out the underground stuff... asphalt resurfacing. Franklin/I will see what there is then that is above ground... Nov/Building remodeling... Franklin/Recreation Center gym floor replacement, $95,000 .... Baker/Simpler... Vanderhoef/ Franklin/This is not where you apply the money. It is how you generate the dollars. Ought to be looking at is are these dollars reasonable in terms of these targeted projects? Baker/I want to ....Ernie... just having a set budget for public art? Lehman/I think it makes more sense .... Baker/If that is a reasonable approach for the majority of the council .... set a reasonable figure... tell Steve, find the money form CIP, that amount every year and he can do it .... Just figure a budget, tell him to find the money in the CIP, work it in there... do it. Franklin/ Kubby/People don't know exactly where the money is being generate from. Baker/But they know exactly how much is there and it is consistent .... Kubby/ Baker/ page 41 Kubby/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 42 Baker/Let's do it with an ordinance. Norton/Most places have not done it that way .... Baker/This is a simple approach... specific amount... find the money in the CIP budget .... form the committee .... then they can do what they need to do. They don't have to spend it all .... here is a budget .... Lehman/Makes more sense. Council/(All talking). Atkins/Remember, it will be at least three years .... have at least three years worth of numbers... I would have to come up with something .... rational nexus .... Norton/Will that work? .... Atkins/Legally, it would be fine. What I really don't want to do is have the General Fund take the hit. Norton/If he was asked to come up with a fixed amount of money .... Atkins/Every time we do a debt, we get a bond opinion .... Dilkes/Bond opinions are not- Atkins/We farm that out .... If you have a targeted number, tell me what it is, and I will prepare a budget and a program around it. Council/ Vanderhoef/I would say someplace between $90- and $100,000. Norton/ Atkins/Probably see in your budget a line item under capital budgets. Public art program that would have a dollar figure assigned to it .... Norton/$100K a year .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 43 Baker/ Lehman/ .... have a maximum .... You can never accumulate more than 3 times... pretty simple... Norton/$1.50 a head comes to about $100K Atkins/This is still public art, not design issue. Lehman/ Atkins/There are good design questions that are incorporated into projects that are unrelated to this. Franklin/What is the conclusion of the majority of the council? What do you want to do? Nov/I would still like to tie it to projects, 1% of what we are actually spending on construction .... has to be tied to new construction. Franklin/What we are talking about now... is what the money comes from. Do we get it from an allocation percentage? Or do we take a lump sum every year? Larry and Ernie on a fixed budget every year. Vanderhoef/Yes. Thomberry/ Franklin/There is a set amount every year for the public art program ....proposal ....set amount... allocated for public art .... Council/(All talking). Nov/... part of bond sales .... Franklin/The question now is whether you do a percent allocation or you do a lump sum every year? Kubby/There is three people who said lump sum. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 44 Baker/Lump sum. Lehman/I am a lump summer. Vanderhoef/Lump sum .... Franklin/Okay, so that is four for a lump sum-Dee, Dee, Ernie and Larry, correct? Nov/Correct. Franklin/Now you have got to decide on what the amount is. Norton/$100,000. Baker/$150,000. Vanderhoef/No more than $100- Thomberry/Tax these people right out of town. Council/(All talking). Nov/I would go with $100,000 as long as it is not an upper limit and we can choose to spend more. CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 97-125 SIDE 1 Council/(All talking). Lehman/Let me suggest... any particular year... nothing that will ever stop any council from not doing it if they want to do it. Nov/I want to say that in a particular year, you can allocate more .... Baker/I don't want to say upper limit either. Vanderhoef/ ....This is how she is trying to say we are not putting an upper limit on it .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 45 Franklin/Do we have an amount before we get to an upper limit... two for $100-, one for $150- and one for $.25 a person. Nov/I would go with $100,000 so long as it is not set as a limit of no more than $100,000. Franklin/Do I have another for $100,0007 Kubby/I could live with $100,000. Council/(All talking). Franklin/Okay, we have four for $100,000. Norton/ Franklin/If you allocate $100,000 a year, Emie has suggested that there be some maximum that you can accrue and go no higher and Naomi is saying there is no maximum. Nov/ Vanderhoef/ Franklin/We are going to go forward with this and as part of your CIP that you will get to approve in the budget this year for FY99, there will be $100,000 for public art, period, every year. That will be in the budget for you to vote on. Thomberry/Could you say it would be that if you could get matching funds from the community? Council/(All talking). Kubby/...airport terminal... saying there has to be some private money to renovate the airport terminal. Franklin/ Norton/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 46 Franklin/I think we are done with this now. We have $100,000 allocated per year. The next thing that you will see will be something put together to form this public art advisory committee which will be your appointees and an outline of what they will do. Kubby/Ordinance or policy? Franklin/Your allocation of $100,000 each year for public art I something you could do just as part of the budget system as you do every other annual allocation that you do. Kubby/Can we have an ordinance? Franklin/I suppose you could have an ordinance for anything .... committee .... usually established by resolution .... Design Review was established by ordinance, Historic Preservation, P/Z .... HCDC is a resolution. Norton/We want to be sure we have appropriate input .... Franklin/If you set it by resolution, you may pass a resolution. If you want to have a p.h .... public input on your doing $100,000... two ways... A resolution that sets a policy that you are going to allocate $100,000 every year for public art and for you to not do that or for future council to not do that, they would have to rescind that resolution. An ordinance... longer process .... I don't know if it is necessary .... Kubby/I just want to advocate that any changes... has to go through some sort of public process. Having it in ordinance form insures public process .... Baker/A resolution also has to be overturned .... Kubby/But there is no public input .... Franklin/You could in your resolution indicate that to rescind it requires a public hearing. Norton/That compromise seems to be reasonable. Nov/Okay. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 47 [Council Break] This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 48 Iowa River Corridor Trail Split Bid 97-124 S2 Davidson/At your request which was on April 21 of this year, we have been having a private consultant design the Iowa River Corridor Trail... we are practically done doing that. There has been a desire by a couple of you to reconsider this project .... We are at the end of the time you have... if you want to build anything next year. We do need an answer from you tonight if you would like to change anything about the project. Right now what you see here is what we are proposing to submit to IDOT .... they have to review it... handle the letting of the project as well ....We do need to have an answer tonight if you want to build something next year .... A couple of things about the project... federal aid project which JCCOG has allocated $750,000 .... We do need to spend that money next year... you need to come up with about $938,000 project in order to spend all the federal money on a 80/20 basis. The University of Iowa is working with us on this project .... they have a much larger landscaping project ..... They delayed their project a year in order to coordinate with us next year on this project. Larry Wilson has indicated they are in danger of losing that funding if they don't spend that next year as well .... We are coordinating this project also with P/R Department... are planning to build the end Aston Park .... behind Professional Muffler .... T. Trueblood... they are satisfied with the way we are proposing to design it. The IDOT has informed us... Jeff McClure.. having the meeting tonight... They have indicated that they will not allow any segment of the trail to terminate at Highway 6 .... Thomberry/How can they stop us from saying this is the end of the trail? Davidson/As long as it is a federally funded project, Dean, they can stop us. It is the federal funding that they have approval of design then. Norton/So if you want to do A, you have to do B? Davidson/That is correct. Thomberry/You have to do it at the same time? Davidson/Right. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session Lehman/Did they fund the stretch between Iowa Avenue and Burlington Street? Davidson/No... locally funded .... The final thing... possibility of coming down the east side of the river south of Burlington Street. That was part of the discussion... · determined the west side of the river was the side of the river to come down ....If that was changed, that probably would necessitate a plan change... Nov/I think we ought to build it next year and put a piece of art in Ned Aston. Kubby/I don't have any changes I want to make to our original decision. Norton/Don't we have a piece of trail... near the park? Davidson/We actually control quite a bit of the property (refers to map). Most of the property acquisition issues are in this C stretch through here. Norton/ Jeff McClure/(Refers to map). Norton/So we have got a lot of reasons to stay on the west side. Nov/I think there are too many railroad tracks on the east side .... Davidson/ Council/(All talking). Lehman/Seems to me... $900,000 worth of local money .... I am not convinced that is the best place for a trail... cost and location standpoint. Thomberry/You are suggesting doing A, B, D, and E? .... Davidson/Staff recommendation is, for the maximum public safety, is to do it all .... C...most logical part to pull out. Thomberry/ Vanderhocf/$26%000 the University- Are those ISTEA funds? page 49 This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 50 Davidson/What is proposed... to pro-rate the federal money over that portion of the trail .... and then the local share would be split 50/5- between the City and the University... cap of $67,000? Larry Wilson/(Can't hear). Nov/Come closer to the table so you get recorded .... Vanderhoef/How much federal money is in that $267,000? Davidson/I would have to get the calculator out to determine that, Dee. Vanderhoef/ .... Davidson/Of that $330,000, $197,000 is design administration .... we are on the third design of this .... we have spent $80,000 so far... Construction administration would be $133,000 .... Vanderhoef/ Lehman/Only objection... to A, B, D, and E .... requires that at some point we complete C .... exorbitant construction costs. Davidson/If there are a majority of council that favors the east side of the river, you shouldn't build any of A, B- Lehman/ Norton/Didn't FIRST look at this? Davidson/They were part of the original planning committee. Norton/ Davidson/Biggest consideration... not along the river because of the railroad. Nov/I understood that was temporary. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 51 Davidson/I thought you might ask about that wording in the memo. We have indicated to the DOT that the plan still includes .... (refers to map). The plan has the trail going down both sides of the river south of Benton Street ..... Nov/What about the part on the east side of the river? Is that going to be completed sometime? Davidson/Yeah .... When the city sewer plant eventually goes away .... year... could possibly reconsider that .... Norton/ Kubby/I want to do the whole original. Norton/Yeah .... Vanderhoef/Does Jeff have a number for me? McClure/(Can't hear). Rick Fosse/The answer varied by what combination of parts that we do .... Davidson/Whatever percentage $750,000 is of the entire $1.9-.... $5% of that portion. Vanderhoef/ ....The $938,000- Davidson/Which is the minimum project we need to have to spend all the federal money. Vanderhoef/... ! thought you were only talking about originally the $750,000 that has been allocated to the City of Iowa City. I wasn't aware of the additional dollars... University... Davidson/The up to $67,000... could be used as part of the local match. Vanderhoef/I didn't realize that we had two chunks of money from two sources .... ! was looking at A, B, E and design moneys .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 52 Fosse/Our design work is totally locally funded. That is not eligible for part of the cost sharing with the feds .... It is part of the total cost of the project. It is not eligible for federal reimbursement. Nov/It is eligible for local match? Fosse/No. The local match is 20% of construction costs. Council/(All talking). Norton/When you get the trail down to Napoleon Park... get it over to the soccer fields, too, pretty soon?... Davidson/ .... There are certainly people who proposed trails linking all the recreational facilities. We don't have an official plan that does that. Kubby/ Nov/I said do the whole thing at the beginning. Davidson/Four to do the whole thing. Okay, thank you. Council/(All talking). This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 53 Court Street Financing 97-!25 S1 Davidson/Court Street Extended. This is an issue... over the years.. varying levels of interest... See if this is something you are interested in pursuing .... Design... in CIP for next year, so we are beginning the design of it now. The 120 acre parcel (refers to map) stands to really gain tremendously from the construction of this road. It was proposed as a 100% city funded project .... The city's project is to take it where it currently terminates to the west edge of Windsor Ridge Subdivision .... There is... good opportunity to calculate an impact fee and have that incorporated into the financing of this project .... rational nexus... making sure that the development of the 120 acre parcel property will create an impact onto the road you are then justified charging an impact fee that is predicated on that for the project .... With an arterial street like this, the impact fees are relatively modest because we take out the through traffic function on the road on the front end. So all they are being charged for is the impact of their access. We wanted to know if you are interested in pursuing that for this project- Okay, I got four. I guess the other question is is this something you want us to bring back to you with South Sycamore Street because that is coming up? Kubby/Should we have just a general policy instead of project by project? Norton/Won't it affect First Avenue, Scott Blvd., you name it. Kubby/We should probably have that as a separate discussion. Norton/ Nov/If this is tied to undeveloped property, it is going to be only for property outside of the city limits or are we going to charge it for everybody? Davidson/The impact fee would not come into play until this was annexed into the city .... platted as part of the city. Nov/If we have a project that is in the city limits currently, are we going to charge an impact fee? .... Davidson/Yeah, you have that opportunity to do so. I mean we haven't been real aggressive but we have used them... HyVee .... parking impact fee in the Near Southside .... We have reviewed this particular situation with the City Attorney's This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 54 office. They agree with Rick and I that there is an opportunity here to use this particular technique. Kubby/What if it is developed while it is still in the county? Davidson/Initially that development would occur off of Lower West Branch Road .... the county would allow a very small development to occur .... Kubby/Would the impact apply? Davidson/No, the impact fee wouldn't occur until they ask for a curb cut onto Court Street .... I can't imagine much development would be allowed on that rock road before the county would say that is it .... Kubby/ Vanderhoef/For me I wouldn't be saying no curb cut onto Court Street... need collectors to go up in there .... could end up to be no secondary access. Nov/If it were developed at county standards, would you allow a curb cut? Vanderhoef/ Davidson/ Franklin/This is within a certain part of our Fringe Area where no development is going to take place here... without it being annexed. That is part of our whole Fringe Agreement ....you are not going to see a subdivision occur on this property in the county. Nov/ ....If we had a building on this property, I don't want this access to come onto Court Street, not a driveway access. Davidson/ Norton/Consistency... facing a good many arterial streets .... I think we better be awfully certain that we have a totally coherent and consistent policy that treats everybody equitably. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 55 Kubby/Have this on another informal agenda where we have our Arterial Street Plan in front of us .... Norton/ Davidson/One difference that there is is that we are building a new street here .... We don't do many of those. Where there are existing streets with existing agricultural access points, that gives the property owners some rights .... we can't take that access point away .... With a new street, we control the access completely .... Norton/I think we should take an overall look .... Thomberry/Jeff, could you address 965. Will that be a new street? Davidson/That will be a new alignment, Dean. Thomberry/That will also favorably impact developers on both sides of 965. Would we be doing the same thing there as we are doing here? Davidson/I think with 965 you will have two opportunities to make sure the development process pays for part of that road .... developer will want that road in order to create that development ....would need to start constructing a portion of that street .... Norton/ ....we need help on financing these kinds of infrastructure. Davidson/I don't think you will want to charge Windsor Ridge an impact fee for their development ....paying for part of that through the platting process ....Okay, we will go ahead. Fosse/Tomorrow night is the p.h. for the landfill and I just wanted to distribute a memo to you that I missed in the packet... design and liner for that... I will be available tomorrow night with some visual aids... we will save some money on this contract as well as upcoming contracts... Council/(All talking). This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 56 Appointment- PCRB 97-125 Side 1 Nov/We are on one appointment to the PCRB. I did a little bit of telephoning today. Three names were mentioned .... Judith Perkins, Pat Farrant and David Lynch. Vanderhoef/Pat Farrant. Norton/I second that. Kubby/I would like to nominate David Lynch. Baker/I will nominate Judith Perkins .... she was on my original top ten list. Norton/Pat was on mine. Thornberry/Pat was on my top. Nov/Both of the women that I mentioned first were at the top when we had a top list .... Kubby/Do people think that all three of these candidates are qualified people? Norton/At least two of them are. Baker/The tricky thing is equally qualified. Lehman/I think they all bring different things. Baker/ ....all qualified ....My first choice would have been Judith Perkins. Thornberry/My would have been Pat Farrant. Nov/ Kubby/I am nominating David Lynch because .... special background helps bring some interesting viewpoint .... He also brings experience of growing up in this community .... look at demographics questions .... Norton/How do you explain he wasn't in the first ..... the top group first round? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 57 Kubby/It is so hard to know... you are looking at the kind of individuals you would like to have on there... Know who the other four people are so we can say what do we need to round out and compliment. Nov/I think I am with Karen on this one. I think we need to have someone a little bit younger .... Norton/ ....are we short on younger? Nov/Because we have more maturity with the other people .... Kubby/I don't like that phrasing... Nov/ .... when I was looking for diversity, I looked for age diversity .... people who lived in different parts of the city .... I considered all of those things... not just color. Norton/ Nov/I think we are dealing with a certain amount of cohesiveness ..... Thornberry/I think Pat Farrant is the best person for the job regardless of all considerations... best one for the job. She was at the top of the list of the majority of the council .... her uniqueness .... Nov/... we also said more than once that we were urging African Americans to apply. Thomberry/I don't think that should be a consideration. Nov/We said this to Susan Mask and Phil Jones... thank you letter saying we were doing the right thing. Thomberry/We just had a thanks but no thanks .... Nov/I am sorry that was said that way but that was not my choice. That was not the person I would have chosen .... Thomberry/ Kubby/May be a different top ten when you look at the group as a whole .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 58 Norton/ Nov/I brought along applications .... Vanderhoef/Procedurally we have an appointment and a resignation... Do we have to advertise now? Nov/No .... Dilkes/Once that appointment was made and a letter of resignation- Nov/We never had a letter of resignation .... we never got it. Thomberry/True wasn't accepted. How can you resign from something that hasn't been accepted? Nov/It is an interesting question. Dilkes/I think you can proceed. I think you are okay .... Council/(All talking). Baker/ Kubby/ Norton/I think it is an important consideration .... Baker/You have three very qualified people. Of those three I am most comfortable with Judith... Pat... David .... Kubby/If we are down to between Judith and Pat, I would rather go with Judith. Baker/ Vanderhoef/Pat. Lehman/Pat. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 59 Norton/Pat. Thomberry/Pat. Baker/Then there is four for Pat. Nov/That is what it sounds like. I would like to have permission to talk to Pat tomorrow morning to be sure she is okay with it... call Judith as a second choice because I think I hear three for that one .... Okay .... I have to have a back up just in case .... Council/(All talking). Nov/It was our fault that we did not question the address. We assumed that this was a person who lived in Iowa City for many years .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 60 Council Agenda/Time 97-125 S1 1. Kubby/(Agenda #3f(1)-Dave Moore-DTA) I have two things... letter from the DTA, #4 was about allowing .... parking between 2:00 and 6:00 AM .... There was a request for that. Nov/...if it snowed on that night. Kubby/Do we need to respond? I don't know that I advocate it. Nov/I would be willing to check into the possibility of something a little more flexible .... ask the city manger to check up on it. Atkins/I already promised them I would take a look at it. Nov/I think 2:30 would give people a chance to move the car .... Atkins/They gave a list of items... I will follow it. Vanderhoef/I am not interested in living it open for parking. Nov/We need some street cleaning time. Kubby/ 2. Kubby/ .... It is about city attorney recruitment .... It is about our process .... Once we decide on the questions, how are we going to ask them? .... Naomi... that she ask all of them. And I think that we need to have more people asking questions .... I think that there will be too much energy directed towards the mayor... needs to be directed to the whole group .... It will be more entertaining... Norton/How many questions? Nov/We ended up with around 12 questions. I think that I should run the meeting. I should ask the questions. Individuals who need to follow up will ask a follow up. Baker/No, Karen is right ....just go round robin and split up the questions... Lehman/... I do think we are probably all going to ask follow up questions ....very important .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 61 Nov/I think that I read the agenda all the time .... Thomberry/If we were to each individually ask the questions .... ask the same question each time .... CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 97-125 SIDE 2 Thomberry/I think it is a group effort hiring this individual and to get the group involved .... Nov/You may not have a follow up question on everything we ask .... plenty of interactive moments .... Vanderhoef/I hear what you are saying, Karen, and I also can put a different spin on it .... confusing it might be for the participant ....we only have a one hour time block in there .... Norton/Why do we have to ask the question? Why can't they just read it? .... Vanderhoef/ Nov/I think we need to say it out loud. We need to record it ....I don't want to hand out the questions. Baker/I agree with Karen, split the questions up .... Thomberry/I have been an applicant before a board .... seven board members .... a highway patrol and citizen board who were asking questions of the applicants .... they came from different people... I would respond to the person who ask me the question more than eye contact with all .... Nov/We are still sitting in a circle. Council/(All talking). Norton/Once the question is posed ....what kind of follow up are you going to do right at that point? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 62 Nov/There will be an occasional follow up .... somebody else other than me .... wave at me and I will say fine, ask your question. Norton/... I would rather let you do it then .... Baker/I got three. Lehman/I think the same person should do it all. Kubby/That is all I have. 3. Norton/ ....When do we look at the Comp Plan? Do you have any idea? .... Atkins/No, I do not kd~ow. I asked Karin that question this afternoon ....I will find it out for you .... Vanderhoef/P/Z is still working on it. Norton/Is that the same when we will deal with annexation south after it comes from P/Z? The annexation proposed for the south end of town. Nov/There is no annexation in this Comp Plan. Norton/No, I mean another question. Annexation on the south, when will that be coming up? Kubby/Do you mean Ryerson Woods? Atkins/I think we are waiting something from hills. I will check for you. 4. Norton/I want to ask... sidewalk program. I will ask that tomorrow night, Steve. I will alert you. Like where we stand on our sidewalk program. I understood that we were breaking the city into ten units. I would just like an update ....I had a couple of calls about it. 5. Baker/Several of us have talked privately... possible land available for sale on the east side of Hickory Hill Park .... may or may not offer that to the city. Can we at least sort of at least initiate a formal inquiry. Ask PR to talk to Mr. Dickens .... as This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 63 possible land acquisition for the park just to resolve that question whether it is appropriate as a potential expansion of Hickory Hill Park. Nov/Difficult for the Parks Commission to say we ought to expand here when there are other areas that have parkland deficits. Baker/Let's at least get a formal recommendation from them. I have always said I would be in favor of expanding the cemetery .... Nov/ Baker/He wants to sell it, give it away... find out what the status is. Vanderhoef/What is the urgency of this at this point? Baker/There is no urgency other than I keep getting these phone calls from people. Atkins/Let me prepare a map for you to show you where it is .... I will get that for you. Council/(All talking). Baker/Is it contiguous to the present park? Atkins/It is close... I will get you a map. Nov/Let's get a map. Norton/Isn't that related to how much cemetery space is left? Baker/How much real cemetery land do we have left to develop at the present location? ..... Norton/That is another question I will ask tomorrow night. Atkins/Okay. Baker/Is the council at all interested in acquiring additional land for Hickory Hill Park whether this location or not? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 64 Norton/Not unless it is squeezed by the cemetery issue .... Kubby/We should put our resources into Hickory Hill West. Baker/Okay. Kubby/I want to see the map. Vanderhoef/ Norton/I wouldn't rule it out depending on what happens with the cemetery, Larry. Kubby/ Nov/We don't have an answer because we don't know what it costs .... Baker/Is there any interest in asking whether or not it is for sale and how much it costs. Nov/Let's look at the map before we make the decision .... wait until we see it ....We will decide when we see the map. 6. Baker/Now that we are doing all the soccer things down south of town .... rock road. Have you got any complaints about the rocks... traffic... dust and rocks on that road? .... They are flying all over the place .... gravel road... thousands of cars every weekend .... rocks are flying .... Atkins/Had to go through a period of compaction .... I will find out. I have not received a complaint .... or claims .... Vanderhoef/Getting our base road in and getting it compacted .... 7. Baker/I sent this memo out this weekend about the airport. I marked it private, confidential only to give us a weekend to think about it without having to answer public questions about .... And sense of the council to pursue an ideal like this... enter into some sort of agreement with the Airport Commission that money generated by those lease developments first goes to pay off- To get them out of the General Fund obligation, then pay back the loan we make for land acquisition. Can we formalize that into an agreement? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 65 Lehman/I think we should. Norton/Seems sensible to me. Baker/Get the City Manager to prepare something .... City Attorney .... Norton/I thought that was reasonably well acknowledged by them the other night. Atkins/I have an impression that they bought into that. Council/(All talking). Baker/ ....some agreement in writing that- Atkins/I will prepare that. Kubby/Would that also include the 10%? Baker/Yes ....General Fund ....and start paying back the 10%. Norton/ Baker/ Lehman/Could be a trade off for the Public Works section that we would like to develop. Council/(All talking). Baker/ ....as soon as they reach a point where they are operating the airport and generating additional revenues, those additional revenues go back to the 10%. Norton/Or some piece of it. Atkins/I will check into it. Council/(All talking). Nov/Check the legalities of it .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 66 Dilkes/There may be some FAA federal things that play into that... worth looking into. 8. Vanderhoef/Concerns .... the parking that is happening along Scott Blvd. when people want to go play soccer down there. They were going to check and see if it is posted or not. Atkins/It is posted ....no parking. Vanderhoef/I had people calling about the safety issues of that. Atkins/We ticketed that once .... Vanderhoef/ Atkins/I think we need to get to the soccer club folks parents ....We will take care of it .... There is plenty of off street parking .... Vanderhoef/ 9. Vanderhoef/Another thing...residents on N. Clinton area are concerned about the parking up there. They would like .... some residential permits .... in favor of having parking meters along Clinton Street .... Norton/ Vanderhoef/ Norton/ Vanderhoef/ Atkins/We did a report on that many years ago .... Kubby/There is a lot of residential that doesn't have enough off street parking .... Norton/Didn't we ask somebody to look at... residential permits7 Atkins/It has been looked at at least twice since I have been here .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 67 Vanderhoef/ 10. Thornberry/The only thing I have is this First Avenue Extension. Ernie is going to talk about it .... Lehman/I am going to bring it up tomorrow night, the language on the ballot. Thomberry/Does somebody have exactly what it says on the ballot? Is it beside Hickory Hill Park? Council/(Along). Thomberry/Along Hickory Hill Park. Kubby/That is the way the petition was written and the way the spirit of the Charter says we should behave. Thornberry/But it is not along .... Kubby/So you campaign against it .... Lehman/I think there is a larger question .... We voted to place it on the ballot.. have given it a certain amount of legitimacy. And if it is incorrectly written or mis- Baker/I think it was clear that the majority disagreed with it. Lehman/I think the public needs to know that what they are reading and what was proposed are not the same things .... Norton/ Dilkes/Putting it on the ballot is really no endorsement to it. The Charter says you shall put it on the ballot. You had no choice but to put it on the ballot. It is not any kind of endorsement. Lehman/But shouldn't it be accurate? Dilkes/It has to be true to the citizen initiative. It need not be accurate. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 68 Norton/ ....one of the difficulties with this process. Kubby/ ....redefine the issue... Lehman/Issue... movement that was going to destroy Hickory Hill Park...signatures were gotten .... We are allowing that misrepresentation to continue. Baker/...looks like we don't have any choice ..... Thornberry/ Lehman/ Council/(All talking). Lehman/ ....issue... Is this the right place for the road? .... Kubby/ ....citizen involvement. Thomberry/If it goes on and it is inaccurate, that is not fair. Nov/It is their words. Thornberry/ ....They were dishonest in getting those signatures .... Kubby/ ....There may have been a few individuals who misstated something .... I think it is inappropriate to condemn the whole process. Thomberry/I think along the park is misstating the issue. Council/(All talking). 11. Nov/ .... I have a copy of a letter to Ron Logsden about bus service for kids to go to West High. They are asking for us to put in a stop on Rohret Road .... Is anybody seriously considering this? Atkins/When we do our route study, we will consider that. Nov/At least going to think abotu it. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897 September 8, 1997 Council Work Session page 69 12. Nov/(Agenda Item # 3f(7) Beth Shields - leash law enforcement)... woman who had trouble with dogs at large... she had called me. I have referred this to Dennis Mitchell because he has done the dog at large prosecution. They are still trying to locate that dog .... he is working on it .... And Kelley from Animal Control is also .... It was out without a lease and attacked her dog .... Kubby/The request in the letter was to have more off hour ar~imal control enforcement ..... budget issue. Council/(All talking). 13. Nov/One more letter here. There is a couple purchasing a fraternity house on E. College Street and they know that they are going to create some parking problem. They are asking about the possibility of leasing 15 spaces in Chauncey Swan Parking Ramp for the purposes of their tenants. And I want to know if this is possible and would you please follow up. Atkins/We are following up and I don't know if it is possible. Kubby/ ....precedence. Nov/If we rent those spaces after hours .... I don't know if he wants it all day. 14. Nov/This is something that was just sort of sitting on my desk. This is a person who has an idea that Chauncey Swan Ramp is greatly under utilized .... a letter to Joe Fowler .... I just want to be sure somebody is following up. Norton/ ....made all kinds of moves to increase the utilizatio~ .... Nov/ Adjourned: 10:50 PM. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 8, 1997 WS090897