HomeMy WebLinkAbout1997-10-20 TranscriptionOctober 20, 1997 Council Work Session
Council: Nov, Kubby, Lehman, Norton, Thomberry, Vanderhoef. Absent: Baker.
Staff: Atkins, Helling, Karr, Dilkes, Franklin, Davidson, Ripley, Mitchell, Handshaker,
Goodman-Herbst, Fosse.
Tapes: 97-142, all; 97-143, all.
Additions to the Consent Calendar 97-142 S1
Jim / Jimmy's Brick Oven Care .... Liquor License .... November
Karr/Everything is in order.
Nov/We will add it to tomorrow's agenda.
/ Athena Restaurant ....320 E. Burlington ....
Nov/Do we have all of the?-
Karr/Yes, it is in order.
Nov/We will put it on the agenda tomorrow.
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Review Zoning Matters 97-142 S1
a. Consider a motion setting a public hearing for November 11 on an application to
amend the approved Sensitive Areas Development Plan for Walden Hills to allow
the development of Lot 53, containing 8.66 acres and located within the OSA-8,
Sensitive Areas Overlay zone at the northwest corner of Rohret Road and Shannon
Drive. (REZ97-0016)
Franklin/First four items on the P/Z matters are setting p.h.s for November 11. First is
the redevelopment of Lot 53 in Walden Hills. If the P/Z Commission is not done
with this as anticipated, we will just defer or continue the p.h.
b. Consider a motion setting a public hearing for November 11 on a resolution
approving the annexation of a 2.81 acre tract located southeast of the intersection of
Iowa Highway 1 and Naples Avenue. (ANN97-0002)
Franklin/ .... both (b. & c.) have to do with property near Naples Avenue and Highway 1
by the Winebrenner property. It is annexation and zoning of a very small parcel.
c. Consider a motion setting a public hearing for November 11 on an ordinance
amending the Zoning Ordinance by changing the use regulations of a 2.81 acre
tract, located southeast of the intersection of Iowa Highway 1 and Naples Avenue,
from County CP-1, Planned Commercial, to CI-1, Intensive Commercial. (REZ97-
0014)
d. Consider a motion setting a public hearing for November 11 on an ordinance
amending the Zoning Ordinance by changing the use regulations of a 0.87 acre
tract, located on the east side of West Side Drive and south of Earl Road, from RM-
12, Low Density Multi-Family Residential and CI-1, Intensive Commercial, to CO-I,
Commercial Office. (REZ97-0004)
Franklin/Rezoning along Earl Road and Westside Drive which is Westside Park
Development off Mormon Trek near the Lepic Kroeger Building. It is for
insurance offices. They have already gone through the Board of Adjustment and
obtained a reduction in parking.
Kubby/I have a question about one of the conditions. About the lighting being 1 1/2 foot
candles. I am very sensitive to that right now. At the property line right now,
HyVee is 1 1/2 foot candles which is not appropriate for their site plan. Just that
brightness is very bright and this is so close to residential. I am concerned that
that is too bright.
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Franklin/Let me look into that before you have your p.h. This is just setting the p.h. So
we can check that out in terms of what the standard was that was used and why
that was chosen.
Nov/Is that what HyVee has?
Kubby/On their site plan it says 1 foot candles ....
Norton/It is a real problem because the bulbs are visible from your residence ....
Kubby/If we can check into why that is .... In talking with Julie Tallman about lighting
issues... she has noticed, there isn't anything in the performance standards that
protect residential property unless it is part of a condition. And that as we are
going into our Zoning Code .... to do more neighborhood commercial .... may also
need to look into performance measures to make sure neighborhoods have some
recourse...
Thomberry/There is a movement... brighter parking lots for security reasons. Burger
King Corp., for example has come out and I have got until spring to increase my
lighting by 50%.
Kubby/But what if that is against local standards?
Thornberry/I am sure there is something in that that ifI don't, I am not in compliance .....
In my national contract .... I have said that I would comply with all current and
upgraded things .... The lighter a public place is, the less crime ....
Kubby/But we also need to make sure that businesses are good neighbors .... I am
experiencing 1 1/2 foot candles at my home and that is interfering with the use of
my property. My backyard is lit up at night .... I would like to know what the
reason for that standard was and to discuss it some more.
Norton/And we do need to review it.
Thornberry/And I want to see the ordinance that says what candle power is required. Is
there a maximum candle power?
Franklin/It is usually in foot candles.
Thornberry/ .... We have a noise ordinance on the books, but also we do not have a
decimal meter.
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Kubby/But we do have a light meter.
Norton/One of the problems is if you want a certain foot candles on the deck... high... got
to have a lot of power .... diffusion. I think we could bring them down. Problem at
HyVee is they are so high... a lot of power... a lot of diffusion out beyond the
perimeter of the place.
Nov/They could also do a little bit more shielding.
Kubby/Direct the light where they need it for security ..... I have a problem with that
safeness interferes with people's individual use of their home property ....
Franklin/Maybe we will put performance standards for lighting on for a work session
discussion ....
e. Public hearing on the Comprehensive Plan, including the South District Plan.
Franklin/The next item is the p.h. on the Comprehensive Plan including the South
District Plan. We are going to have a detailed work session on this on November
3 with the P/Z Commission starting at 6:30 here. Is there anything that you need
to know desperately before the p.h. tomorrow night? Okay.
Norton/I still don't have a suitable sewer map ....color coded for size and location and I
understood somebody was working at it .....
f. Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Chapter by changing the zoning
designation from RS-5, Low Density Single-Family Residential to OPDH-5, Planned
Development Housing Overlay Zone, for 3.63 acres located east of Somerset Lane
and south of Wellington Drive. (REZ97-0012) (Second consideration)
Franklin/Second consideration on the rezoning for Wellington Condominiums. You do
have a letter in your packet .... for expedited consideration of this. It is required, if
you are to pass item h., final plat for Village Green, Part 15. g. and h. are the
preliminary plat and the final plat for Village Green, Part 15, which includes the
lot that is being rezoned in item f.
Kubby/Why did they need private refuse?
Franklin/Because they are going to have more than- I think. That would typically be the
reason if they are going to have four or more units ....
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Nov/One lot has more than four units.
Franklin/ ....that must be why.
Kubby/If someone came in and wanted to develop this whole area... dissuade them from
doing in piece meal fashion now, wouldn't we? ....
Franklin/When it was originally done... there was a concept plan for the entire Village
Green. Then when it was amended... condominium type of development, we had a
larger concept plan also which has been incrementally moving. However, what we
don't have settled is that large Outlot A and how that is going to shake out ....
Vanderhoef/This is for Part 15, I can't find 15 on the map ....
Norton/On the bigger map it doesn't show 15.
Council/(All talking).
Nov/Karin, there has been several discussion about another access point for this area.
Does this development get us there?
Franklin/The other access point that we have talked about is the connection to Scott
Blvd. This does not get us to Scott Blvd. yet .... This, in combination with another
final plat, gets us a connection to South Village Green ....It does not get us to the
connection with Scott Blvd.
Nov/So we are still dealing with a single access point for almost all of this, right?
Franklin/No, there is not a single access point. You can go two ways .... either exit to
Scott Blvd. or you can go west to Wayne Street out of the Village Green
Development. So there is not just one access point to this whole thing.
Vanderhoef/How are we on safety even though we have two?
Franklin/We don't have a problem with secondary access with this development.
Vanderhoef/
Franklin/(Refers to overhead projector plat map). Part 15... is the entire Outlot A ....
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Council/(All talking).
Franklin/This has been redone enough times that the increments have occurred. That
Outlot A is now part of Part 15. Ignore the dotted line delineation ....(refers to
map-Part 15).
Nov/ ....shall we waive the second and do the final? .....
g. Consider a resolution approving the preliminary plat of Village Green, Part Fifteen, a
36.75 acre, 1-lot residential subdivision with three outlots located south of Wellington
Drive and east of Somerset Lane.
h. Consider a resolution approving the final plat of Village Green, Part Fifteen, a 36.75
acre, 1-lot residential subdivision with three outlots located on Somerset Lane. (SUB97-
0022)
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Peninsula Development 97-142 S1
Franklin/Okay, we are just starting to work on this project and this is for development of
the 92, minus what goes to the Elks' Club, acres on the upper portions of the
Peninsula. What we have done to date... staff meetings... things we would like to
see happen on the Peninsula .... we want to discuss this with City Council. The
timeline on this is going to be determined largely by when the Elks' finish their
golf holes and we can build Foster Road. In the agreement that is before you for
p.h. tomorrow night, the Elks' have until November 30, 1998 to complete the golf
hole construction at which time we can build Foster Road. They are going to try
and do that much sooner ....
Dilkes/Karin, 1999 is the outside limit.
Franklin/1999 is the outside limit. They will likely get it done before that and then we
can go ahead with Foster Road ..... Now isn't too soon to start talking about what
we want to do on the Peninsula because we are going to have to define that .... We
are going to have somebody come into town this week... lecture in this room,
Thursday evening on a concept in planning called Neo-traditional Planning...
trying to create new neighborhoods that are reminiscent of the older
neighborhoods that you find in a city... take the characteristics of the
neighborhoods of that city and try to recreate that in new neighborhoods ....
Kubby/Is there an opportunity for council members to go and tour the Peninsula with
staff?. ....
Franklin/I don't even know when we are going .... sometime on Friday .... I suppose it is
possible... If you are interested, let me know and I will let you know when we are
going.
Norton/ .... something I put in the packet about development of this kind new Seattle ....
trying to do exactly this kind of thing .....
Thornberry/
Lehman/How many of us are going to that meeting on Thursday?
Council/(All talking).
Nov/It is just sitting and listening, there is no problem.
Council/(All talking).
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Franklin/I think you can ask a question. You just can't have discussion amongst yourself
about the issues there at the meeting. At any rate, that is on for Thursday.
One of the things I would like to do with you tonight is go over what your ideas
are for this... facilitate your discussion .... go around the table, get your ideas, and
list them on the flipchart here ....The next step will be to have some discussions
with the P/Z Commission ....
Thornberry/What is the price that we are looking for, for this property here? ....
Franklin/The very basic thing that we need to do is replace in the General Fund $1.3
million.
Thomberry/Is that what we are going to try to get for that upper Peninsula property?
Franklin/You bet and then some.
Thomberry/Has it been- Has the property been appraised?
Franklin/It was appraised when we purchased it and that was $15,000 an acre when we
purchased it. We got that inflation thing going.
Thornben~j/And how long ago was that?
Franklin/Two years.
Thornberry/How many acres are there?
Franklin/Approximately 92 .... take out 15 for the Elks' .... The floodplain is not
considered in the 92. The 92 is the flat portion and the hillside.
Thornberry/
Norton/
Thomberry/We are trying to visionary... realistic.
Franklin/The very basic point that I think we need to agree on is that we are going to
replace the $1.3 million in the General Fund. Is that agreed to by the council?
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Council/(Yes).
Franklin/Okay .... Now I want to take ideas .... go around the table .... as to what you
would like to see happen on this development.
Norton/...range of costs... some small lot sizes ....
Franklin/Do you mean owner occupied as well as rental?
Norton/I think both... owner occupied... rental ....mixed both in ownership and rental.
Franklin/Ownership and rental.
Kubby/ .... affordability can be sustained over time .... That someone doesn't buy a
home... at $70,000, then two years later .... worth $100-... parts of it owned by
non-profit .... something that helps sustain the affordability ....
Franklin/
Lehman/Important... to see to it that we get our money back ..... bottom line.. we have got
to be able to do this in a fashion that enables us to recover what we have got
invested... innovative .... park... maybe we can forego that .....
Kubby/
Thomberry/
Nov/There is plenty of floodplain land ....
Franklin/
Nov/I have one reservations ....I would like to specify no gasoline.
Thomberry/
Nov/...convenience store ....I am very concerned about that ....
Lehman/
Nov/I still think it can leak and it will go down hill when it does.
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Franklin/
Thomberry/What is the median income that you are discussing? .....
Franklin/For a family of four, $49,500, 80% median for a family of four ..... that is for
Iowa City.
Nov/
Thornberry/
Franklin/That is the figure that we use for all of our programs, CDBG, HOME ..... use
that figure that we use for all of our assistance programs ....That will change over
time.
Nov/
Vanderhoef/ .... In this place you are talking about median income without stating which
median .... In the notes on the elderly housing proposal for west Iowa City, it
specifically says in the minutes of P/Z that it is county median income. I am
concemed ....
Franklin/The intent... is to use the median income that we use for all of our CDBG and
assistance programs ....
Vanderhoef/I want it clarified at some point in time.
Franklin/In terms of the goals for development of this property, is it to meet a certain
income category for affordability or not? The idea in the memo was that we were
focusing on 80% of median as opposed to 30% of median which is very low
income. 80% of median is a moderate income and it is the target group when we
look at housing programs that is mostly likely to succeed in owner occupancy and
could probably afford the level that we were looking at in terms of the $90,000 to
$125,000 owner occupancy .... The issue is do you want to address 80% of median
or do you want to address 50% of median or 30% of median ....
Thornberry/My question .... median income .... suggest that 15% of the housing units...
owner occupied meet that criteria and as long as #1 is we get our $1.3- I have no
problem with that if someone... a developer... multi- Are these going to be
suggestions or mandates to the developer?
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Franklin/Right now, all they are are suggestions... trying to get an idea of sense of
council and what you are expecting... in this Peninsula development. We will
have further discussions... before it goes out for RFP .... We are at the very
beginning of describing what it is we would like a developer to do.
Kubby/We have an opportunity... guidance .... We should ask for what we want and see if
it is realistic.
Norton/
Thornberry/I have no problem with that as long as these are suggestions... We need to
get our money out of the property .....
Franklin/One sentence... last paragraph, first page. An underlying factor in our
discussion is the fact that we must reimburse the General Fund $1.3 million used
to acquire Peninsula property. That is the bottom line. We have to do that.
Kubby/ ....go possibly into the partnership ....
Thornberry/ .... $1.3- I don't think is the minimum that we could possible get... If it were
$1.9 with one condition ....
Franklin/You guys are debating again. We are trying to make a list here of this
development, of what you would like to see happen ..... We got the payback, that is
very basic. What else? ....
Nov/Everybody will have a chance to work on the RFP ....
Norton/ ....We are not suggesting maximize the return on it.
Franklin/There will be many other of these discussions.
Thomberry/We should not perhaps put a whole lot of regulations ....
Vanderhoef/I like having some commercial .... question about whether it will fly ....
Franklin/So in the best of all possible worlds, you would have some small commercial
development there ....
Norton/I am hoping... alleys ....
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Kubby/Go back to income question... go lower than $90-... go a little lower on the
median income... means the price range of the owner occupied would have to be
lower .... 70% of median income to be able to have 30% of their income go to that
house payment and insurance.
Franklin/
Lehman/I would like to see that when we do this RFP, we do it with options .... We have
an opportunity here to do something ....
Franklin/We want to set out goals for the developer. These are things we are trying to
achieve. And the specifics will be up to them.
Thomberry/
Nov/Like to emphasize pedestrian access to the river .... pedestrian trails, bike trails ....
Thornberry/Sub-bullet. I would like .... low median income, I would assume not see any
mobile homes-manufactured housing ....
Franklin/
Vanderhoef/Housing over the top of commercial .....
Norton/
Kubby/Modular housing is okay.
Lehman/
Nov/I would like less architectural consistency ....I want variety.
Franklin/
Norton/What is the biggest unit we are expecting?
Franklin/The cap that we talked about... 12 units in a building ....in terms of scale there.
Thornberry/That is a little high.
Franklin/Depends on how it is done.
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Norton/What does Summit Apartments have in it? ....
Kubby/Commercial .... multi-family ....
Thornberry/ ....different levels but it is all connected ....
Norton/Experiment ....
Franklin/
Vanderhoef/ .... look into .... transportation situation out there .... need to look at... provide
transportation at a cost effective way.
Franklin/In terms of transit are you talking about?
Vanderhoef/
Franklin/There are access limitations... Foster Road... hold down on the density as you
get out onto the Peninsula ....
Vanderhoef/What is our capacity when you don't have secondary access in terms of
safety?
Franklin/Jeff has done an analysis of it in terms of density that could be placed on the
entire Peninsula .... RS-5 is the most that we could go ..... Washington Park land
north of Foster Road .... closest to the river. When we look at construction of
Foster Road... arterial in terms of access... 28 foot wide street, eight foot
sidewalk ....Iowa River Corridor River Trail system ....have ....r.o.w .....such that
you could have the sidewalk system... setbacks... limit driveway access .... We
have put some thought into that already ....
Norton/
Franklin/What we need to do... work that we have already done on the density questions
and Foster Road and forward that to city council. We have that work done .... It's
typed. This was looking at it if the Elks' ever develop their property... calculations
have been done.
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Kubby/Leave the wooded ravines alone .... construction as well as after that .... The ravine
and the woodland... during the construction those areas are protected as well as
once everything is built up.
Thomberry/
Kubby/ ....leave them alone ....unless safety consideration for the project.
Norton/We don't want to move a lot of dirt out there... minimize the dirt moving ....
Thomberry/
Kubby/Clean up the ravines .... human made trash ....
Franklin/Anything else that you want to add to the list? .... take this list and try to mold it
into something that is cohesive ....core of what we will start to work with... Have a
session with the P/Z Commission ....then start working on the RFP. We will take
in the input that you have given us tonight, the P/Z Commission, what we learn
from Mr. Dover's comments this week and anything else that is out there ....
maybe public discussion of this.
Lehman/ ....Will there be consulting with developers?
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Franklin/We have already had some consultation with some developers. We have been
approached by some developers who are interested in this property for a variety of
different things ....You can't get in too close of a relationship with the developer
prior to the RFP ....
Nov/Your overhead thing is not working ....
Kubby/How were the recommendations from the Housing Forum affect our discussion
we just had on features?
Franklin/That is another piece of input.
Kubby/We may want to revisit it after we see those recommendations.
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Franklin/You may want to. They are having a meeting the 29th ..... draft report...
suggestion... the Peninsula be used as an opportunity to provide a mix of
housing .... I don't see anything that is going to clash ....
Norton/Is this absolutely given... residential?.. There is no office park out there? ....
Everyone that lives out there will have to work somewhere else?
Franklin/Yes... pretty small area... close to downtown ..... success in building office
research parks has been slim .... gone out to Oakdale.
Nov/
Norton/
Franklin/Okay. Thank you.
Flipchart
range of costs
· some small lots
· ownership and rental
· sustainable affordability partnerships trusts
· recover investments
· no gasoline sales
· income guidelines - assessment of some small commercial
· alleys
· lowering income level to 70% of median
· pedestrian access to river
· no manufactured housing
· housing over top of commercial
· modular housing
· less emphasis on architectural consistency
· transit issues
· intervening land - how can it be developed
· leave wooded ravines alone- construction protection as well as permanent
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Benton Street/Riverside Intersection 97-142 S2
Davidson/We had a traffic management issue for your consideration tonight .... staff's
responsibility to try and maximize the way the various modes of transportation
compete with each other .... Issue... relates to a specific council action that was
taken a few years ago... 1993 .... bring it back for your consideration... started ....
We noticed that we were being contacted by a number of people .... intersection of
Benton and Riverside Drive about .... a deterioration of traffic service through that
intersection .... did concur there seems to be some further deterioration of
service .... during .... cue of traffic north bound .... got back so far... interrupting
Wardway intersection traffic .... Contacted by group of neighbors in Woodside
Drive, Greenwood Drive area to take a look at potential traffic calming for their
neighborhood .... traffic counters .... arterial level of traffic operating on
Greenwood Drive, cut through traffic .... was seeking to avoid the intersection of
Benton and Riverside .... decided to take a closer look .... What we found...
significant contributor to the deterioration of traffic service ..... is the amount of
traffic volume has increases everywhere in Iowa City .... we have a a 21 second all
red phase at this intersection .... a very very disruptive thing to traffic through the
intersection .... all red phase... traffic stopped in all directions ....
Thomberry/Would that need new hardware to eliminate?
Davidson/No, city street crews can take care of that .... Issue .... consider .... To achieve the
greatest improvement in traffic flow .... Can pedestrians still be accommodated
safely through this intersection if we do that? .... We are of the opinion that a
walklight on the green phase ....competing with right turning traffic ....pedestrian
has the r.o.w.
Lehman/
Davidson/I am not aware of any all red phases on Burlington Street .... You don't have to
have a walklight. A pedestrian at a crosswalk has the r.o.w. always ....Research ....
It was an issue of aggressive drivers ....
Thomberry/
Davidson/My understanding any pedestrian in a crosswalk, including on a don't walk.
Council/(All talking).
Davidson/Did check with Roosevelt Elementary School .... not an issue ....Simply asking
if you care to reconsider the-
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Kubby/ ....We should retract it.
Council/(All talking).
Vanderhoef/I want a little update. I read the report on traffic calming on Teg Drive .....
not conclusive .... My request... not to move forward on at least humps in any other
part of the city until we have more conclusive-
Davidson/Those all come back to you, Dee.
Vanderhoef/When I see this list .... I hate to see us put in any other traffic calming until
we are real clear that we are not forcing traffic into the residential.
Davidson/We will do the follow-up with Teg Drive .... see where the traffic is gone .... We
will be doing that this spring... Wouldn't be able to put any humps down until
spring anyway ....
Vanderhoef/Neighborhoods get excited ....
Norton/Our plan is for them to do the studies ....They do the counts, don't they? ....
Kubby/There can be discussions before there is final design ....
Vanderhoef/
Norton/
Lehman/Jeff, if you finish the study... driving those cars to Sunset Street, that is where
we wanted them in the first place.
Davidson/Yes .... If we determine that other local residential streets are bearing the brunt
of the traffic... that is something we are concerned about. If it is diverted to
Benton, Sunset and Mormon Trek, then we are not. The arterial streets are where
we want the traffic to be.
Kubby/It may not be as simple... to say that the humps were not successful... gradual
calming things...
Davidson/Real traffic calming strategies are neighborhood wide, not precisely on one
street.
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Vanderhoef/
Lehman/I don't think we have ever given an indication that we were going to do
anything more than Teg Drive ....
Davidson/We have these other three in the mill ....
Council/
Kubby/We have committed to the idea of traffic calming ....
Nov/Karen, did you have another question?
Kubby/I did. It was about Melrose Avenue and Hawkins Drive. Is it possible to re-stripe
the road in that one area without reconstruction? ....to make the street a little more
functional.
Davidson/The short answer.. with the left turn lane that is needed for Melrose Place, no,
probably not.
Kubby/
Davidson/ .... They felt very strongly there needed to be a left turn at Melrose Place. That
is a very severe zigzag .... probably would be far enough way from good design
that we wouldn't want to recommend doing that.
Lehman/How many people live on Melrose Place?
Davidson/I don't remember... 10-12 residences.
Lehman/Turn lane... the number of people served by that turn lane... very small ....
Davidson/Other issue... line intersections up ....There is a left turn lane at the opposite
side of the approach ....
Kubby/It makes sense to have a right turn lane. I am not sure I am ready to tear that fresh
concrete to do it.
Lehman/I am not ready yet either.
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Council/(All talking).
Nov/Is there a right turn on red allowed there?
Council/(All talking).
Nov/I have another Riverside Drive it up that I would like you to think about... The
distance between Burlington Bridge and Iowa Avenue Bridge on Riverside Drive
heading north is often a single line of cars. You cannot getting through the
Burlington intersection and get into the next segment. If there is anything we can
do to move that .... restricting right turn on red from Burlington to Riverside
during certain hours could help.
Davidson/There is a right tum prohibition at Iowa Avenue, if you are north bound on
Riverside Drive .... I am talking about Burlington to Iowa. The north bound cue
extending back from Iowa Avenue towards Burlington Street ....
Nov/I am talking about heading north from Burlington to Iowa, facing north. That is the
place where there are cars lined up waiting through several lights in order to move
north from Iowa Avenue on Riverside.
Norton/
Nov/The cue is impossible ....
Thomberry/Coming from north part of town, coming down the hill toward the Union...
go across Iowa Avenue bridge and you want to go north or west... to Coralville.
How do you get there?
Nov/That one is easy, you just turn.
Thomberry/You said no turn.
Nov/I am talking from Burlington onto Riverside Drive .... you can tum right on red and
that right turn on red restricts the people on Riverside from going further north
because they have filled up the cue.
Davidson/Why don't you let us take a look at that. It is a capacity question ....
Nov/Only way if you want to be on the west side of the river ....
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Norton/It is particularly hard when they don't even stop on red ....
Vanderhoef/Is it possible to have a green arrow at the Iowa Avenue bridge when you are
headed north? .....
Davidson/Let us take a look at that .... double left turn is the reason why the right turn on
right prohibition there which leads to the cue of traffic extending back to
Burlington. It is related somewhat.
Nov/
Thornberry/One last question ....Any more talk about the intersection of Highway 1 and
Prairie du Chien?
Davidson/Yes .... That is part of the project to reconstruct Highway 1 North between the
HyVee and where Governor and Dodge come together and that is in your CIP ....
The Hilltop has been the big question there .... waiting for the individual who owns
that property to voluntarily come to us ....Understanding... year to year lease ....
Something happening to that parcel .....We can't signalize the intersection until
we get it reconstructed ....
Thornberry/Governor is backed up all the way down from Highway 1 all the way down
past the cemetery at times ....
Davidson/That is one of our highest delay intersections and HyVee folks call me ....
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Winter 1997/1998 Iowa City Deer Management Plan 97-142 S2
Nov/Deer Management Plan.
Atkins/We are going to have a two minute briefing by Misha. The purpose of placing it
on the agenda is to allow you to ask question about what the recommendations
are. The committee has met and made their recommendations... Tomorrow
evening you have the actual formal p.h .....
Misha Goodman-Herbst/ .... A committee was formed based on council's
recommendations for personnel to serve on a committee to look at this issue and
come up with some formal management plan .... deer problem... Had 14 members
on a committee ....Johnson County .... Coralville ....You all have a list of who was
on the committee. We went through extensive materials .... research .... Met for
hours and hours .... came up with this particular plan that you have in front of you.
Thomberry/Great report .... good input from the committee members .... worked well .... I
think something does need to be done .... ! agree with the report. I don't want to
put my stamp of approval on this thing personally and have the DNR say no, start
over ....
Council/(All talking).
Nov/ ....Legislators can change it ....Rules Committee ....
Norton/I thought the committee did a terrific job .... Let's go with it and see what
happens .... logic is there. Were hunters, the nimrods of the world, under
represented?
Goodman-Herbst/ .... I don't think the intention of the committee was to formulate a
group of hunters .... Intention was if Iowa City had a deer population problem and
how to deal with that.
Norton/
Goodman-Herbst/We did have some hunters on the committee .... I also wouldn't say the
majority of the committee was against hunting necessarily either.
Norton/ ....came to some consensus ....impressive.
Kubby/There is not private land in all of these districts that are slated for the kill ....
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Goodman-Herbst/We would assume that some reduction would have to take place on
personal property or private property and there are a variety of ways to do that ....
City is going to have to determine if some kind of survey would be sent out to
citizens .... We may get some of that tomorrow, what citizens think about this ....
Kubby/ .... concerns... I don't want people to get used to gunfire at night in town .... Happy
that there is an educational component to this ....Especially kids are not
frightened ....
Goodman-Herbst/Important to the committee that a good and visual educational program
go out to the public ..... posted areas .... all of those things...
Kubby/Another item on our agenda... prohibition for use of bows and arrows. Seems to
me... want to insure that we don't have third consideration of that before we hear
from the DNR .... slow that process to coincide...
Nov/This would be a very controlled kind of thing ....
Kubby/Would we need an exception for our deer plan?
Dilkes/I think we could probably fairly easily ..... amend that ordinance .... change to say
except as otherwise provided by the city council by resolution in connection with
deer management plan or something to that affect .... leave that option open .... We
still want to prohibit bow and arrow hunting within the city except for in a deer
management situation.
Kubby/
Lehman/I thought the committee did a tremendous job .... We told some folks who were
having deer problems that we were going to do something about it .... We
appointed a committee... I would like to see us go full speed ahead .....According
to the paper... DNR was not particularly fond of us .... Not real congenial ....
Goodman-Herbst/I think we all need to be a little careful about what we read in the
newspapers .... The representatives from DNR provided the committee with a
tremendous amount of infmxnation that assisted us in making the decision that we
did.
Lehman/
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Goodman-Herbst/They weren't unhelpful. I think there are differences of opinion in
certain areas. That is to be expected ....
Kubby/ .... page 11... nine points .... Page 11 .... #3 City of Iowa City .... "strongly supports
their efforts to control the deer population." And I don't know that I could agree
with that, that I would strongly support all those efforts ....I would have a hard
time with that "strongly" in there.
Lehman/It says it supports their efforts. I am reading it different than you are.
Kubby/ ....interpretation of what their efforts are. I don't know that I can state that I
strongly support ....
Nov/Do you want to take out the word "strongly?" Is that all you want?
Kubby/I am waiting for the public hearing .... A majority of council members say let's do
this. And we hadn't even gotten the report and we haven't had a p.h .....
Nov/I think the report is well written.
Goodman-Herbst/I would also recommend to council that you get over to the Clerk's
Office... look through the stack of materials that were used ....
Nov/
Vanderhoef/On that same page in your Management Plan .... Could you tell me what the
discussion was that followed with that #2 on how we_are to work with the
migratory paths and yet still provide transportation system in the city? ....
Goodman-Herbst/The idea of this is when council is conside_ring new roadways, changes
in roadways... They need to take into consideration the wildlife that live in that
area .... This came up with the First Avenue Extension. You need to think about
providing them with an area to pass... undercrossing... or use reflectors to keep
them off the road ..... You want to look into that .....
Vanderhoef/So you are saying you can't really change their path?
Goodman-Herbst/If you build enough around them, you are probably going to change
their path ..... The information we have on the reflectors is it doesn't change their
pathways, it simply prevents them from crossing the road at an unopportune time
when a car passes by in the evening hours.
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Norton/Did you actually interview anyone from .... Illinois, Wisconsin .... have used
sharpshooting .... ?
Goodman-Herbst/Their management plans are in the packet .... There are results...
synopsis of what they have done. And yes, we did interview most of the head
people involved in those particular management plans.
Norton/
Goodman-Herbst/Generally what happens... is that each individual state has it's own
system ....
Thornberry/ ....Is it a state law? What is it about not sharpshooting deer in towns? ....
Goodman-Herbst/There is an administrative rule as far as I understand .... in the State of
Iowa ....
Thomberry/Did Cedar Rapids go with bow?
Goodman-Herbst/Yes.
Nov/Lisa said she checked on their response .... ability to issue 300 permits. 10 permits
were issued, one deer was killed so far ..... They just started .....
Thomberry/We don't know how many were injured .....
Goodman-Herbst/There are plenty of communities that are using bow hunting also. It is
just not what this committee chose to use.
Kubby/Is there a reason?.. Offer from Oakdale .... sharpshooters at no cost .... Is there a
reason why the committee wouldn't want to go with the Oakdale offer?
Goodman-Herbst/The Police Department representative on the committee felt more
comfortable with city employees .... Issue to be taken up probably through the
Police Department .....
Kubby/ ....need clear lines of communication and education ....
Lehman/
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Thomberry/
Nov/Dennis, do you have something to add?
Mitchell/Go back to Dean's question about whether or not sharpshooting is actually
allowed within city limits in the state. I don't think, in my reading... I don't find
anything that actually prohibits the DNR from allowing us to sharpshoot here ..... I
think we need to go ahead and actually file the application ....
Nov/P.h. is tomorrow night.
Mitchell/I did have one more point to make and that is regarding bow and arrow shoot.
We have a loophole right now which would allow people to actually shoot bow
and arrows in the city limits. However, I don't think that is a realistic option for
this year .... certification .... No matter which option you pick, it is probably going
to be next year before we can implement it
Vanderhoef/One more question about the 15,000. I suspect we will get questions about
whether that would be adequate to support the removal of 109 deer.
Goodman-Herbst/It may not be ....
Vanderhoef/People are going to trying to compare numbers ....
Nov/It is still estimating .....
Kubby/In the Plan itself it doesn't seem to really directly address the question is there a
problem or not ..... You concluded in certain areas there was a problem ....
Goodman-Herbst/We tried to outline it in where it becomes a problem ..... Tried to
outline... when, for this city, we felt it becomes too much. We found that we just
couldn't blanketly say the city has a deer overpopulation problem ..... So we really
wanted to be ..... very specific and outline the areas ....
Council/(All talking).
Nov/Deer Committee, thank you all ....
Kubby/I know the Sierra Club is... speaking about this issue tomorrow night .... I am
hoping that people-
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Thomberry/Thank you very much for all of your time.
Council/(All talking).
Norton/Let's get them introduced tomorrow night.
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Corps of Engineers' Section 216 Coralville Reservoir Study 97-142 S2
Nov/All right, we had a copy of the Executive Summary of the Corps of Engineer's
Plans .... report from the City Engineer. Do we have any questions?
Fosse/I just got back in town .... Would you like just a quick overview of the process ....
The Section 216 Study... three step process. The first step if the initial appraisal
which was done in September of '94. Second step is the reconnaissance... dated
May '97. Third step, it appears we are not headed there because Step 2 concludes
there is no federal interest in going to Step 3 which is a feasibility study .... That
step also has a local cost share component .... One of the things that was talked
about in the initial appraisal was that there needs to be a revision to the 1991
Water Control Plan .... Corps of Engineers mentioned they were planning on doing
that .... FY98 .... That has not been funded .... hydraulic issues addressed .... The
depth probably isn't as much as what I would have expected, especially in the
water Control Plan. The other expectation that wasn't fulfilled was the one for
public opportunity to comment on this product .... I think there was some
expectation locally ..... My only copy is still stamped Review Draft-Subject To
Change ..... That is the background.
Steve has sent a letter off to the Corps of Engineers, basically sharing some of
those thoughts and letting them know we would like to see some form of public
forum for discussion of the product and I am anxious to see what sort of response
we get ....
Kubby/ ....configuration of human use ....downstream ....Was that looked at? ....
Fosse/I think there was some consideration given to that but I don't know the depth.
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Norton/...Had they raised those constraints .... it would have more impact on changing the
operational plan of the dam. I am working my way through the whole
reconnaissance study and... there is a lot of things looks serious... flow in the fiver
is a hell of a lot bigger than it was .... no flash flood protection ....
Thornberry/I think perhaps they were looking at... as to how much water goes through
that dam ....It is when they can't control the flow is when there are going to be
problems ....
Kubby/ ....balance the needs ....upstream and downstream ....
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Thomberry/ ....they looked at water flow.
Kubby/ ....Does the management of the dam help our citizens or hurt our citizens? .... We
have some people... saying the study wasn't really adequate ....
Thomberry/If we have another situation of '93 or worse, it doesn't really make any
different because it is going to go over the spillway.
Norton/No, but there might be a different management plan.
Kubby/
Norton/They didn't consider a flood worse than '93.
Thomben~j/
Norton/The management plan depends on what your assumptions are ....
Nov/ ....We invited Mr. Newsom and Mr. Molnar... to answer questions that we would
have .....
Norton/Is there any chance that if we do something, they are going to change their mind?
Atkins/I want to make sure that we understand what we can and can't do .... They could
tell us the report is no good .... I really believe the critical issue is the p.h.. We
have got to get them to open the process up sufficiently so that we can make the
comments that we happen to believe are pertinent to the thing .... They committed
to doing that and it didn't happen in the fashion at least I thought was going to
happen .... It simply didn't happen .... Bottom line is we really have to press that
p.h. process.
Nov/And we have already sent the letter, correct?
Atkins/The letter has already gone off, yes.
Lehman/Critical part of the letter is that we would like a response from the Corps to
these gentlemen's questions ....
Atkins/ ....they can make the call... they are responsible for the dam ....
Thomberry/
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Nov/Do you have any particular questions about the report that you read, the
Molnar/Newsom report? ....
Norton/
Charles Newsom/I would like to give a little bit of background ..... (Presented Overhead
Projector Outlines). Larry Molnar and I have made it sort of a hobby to follow
what is happening with the Corps of Engineers and the river management. It
basically first started when we were provided with some data from the Corps and
we began looking at the data... original design of the dam...discovered the inflow
to the dam .... is about 50% higher than what it was designed for.
Thomberry/Where did you get that information?
Newsom/There are two sources. One from the Corps database .... We gave them the name
of the publication in their library that contained the information... U.S.
Geological Survey .... When you have more water coming down from above .... the
lake tends to want to fill up a little faster .... Original design of dam calls for a
spillway much higher than the current spillway .... 30% smaller than original
design .... Our basic conclusion was the lake is going to be lot fuller quite often ....
What I have here is a year by year how high the lake got effectively .... danger
when you get next to the horizontal black line .... High water mark in 1993 .... we
were well below this black line when the high water mark occurred from the
flashfloods downstream .... (refers to Peak Lake Levels chart) ....
What kinds of things can happen? The Corps is mandated by their regulation
plan... to fully open the floodgates... when they reach the spillway .... They did it
two times... It occurred on several occasions with major problems occurring
downstream... First time was on July 5 .... The philosophy was to try and save the
farms upstream .... We are very worded about the lake being full all of the time ....
And all we really asked .... ask now is that they look at a series of plans in a
modem kind of way and come up with an optimized release .... We don't know
that those are .... So much development along the river that hasn't been taken into
account .... This is a Xerox of Corps transparency (Reviews Corps Regulation Plan
Revisions chart) .... Update the damage curve .... only reason they keep the water at
certain levels was to save the Water Plant .... Other things they promised...
Updating damage curves .... Reassess the regulation plan, the schedule of release
of water .... Public input and public hearing ....
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They completed this study and we have looked at it in great detail ....They were
some problems that we encountered. (Refers to Problems chart) .... Fact that in
many studies... they actually only did two... simulations.. they turned off
downstream flood control. So all the downstream people... too bad... guaranteed
increased damage... threshold... nobody knows why they are set at the current
settings now .... Questions is what are the best levels to put them at .... Doing only
two simulations is insufficient .... These particular plans were flooding
downstream people. We would like them to look at these options and other
options .... optimized plan... better balanced between all the different groups .... We
are extremely concerned by the fact that there were no p.h.s when this document
came out... This particular document that they are proposing is the identical one
that they were following to the letter on July 5 .... August 9-10 .... flashflood
control .... majority of damages in '93 .... all occurred on July 5.
Thomberry/How long land... floodplain.. before the dam was built... Is it still floodplain?
Or is it reclassified once the dam was built?
Newsom/I believe it is all pretty much still the floodplain.
Thomberry/...Iowa and Cedar come together, aren't the farmers actually farming
floodplain?
Newsom/Absolutely, some of the richest land there is.
Thornberry/Why would the Corps... have to buy that land if it floods?
Newsom/I believe the federal law is if you can prove the flow is different from natural
flows, then the Corps has to pay compensation above what would have occurred
naturally ....Major problems occur when you try to compensate those things ....
storms ....
(Refers to overhead transparency- What Is Need Now?). To summarize.. the
situation is unchanged .... no improvements in release plan .... I would like to see
the Corp simply be informed by various concerned people who get flooded .... and
to realize that the current study doesn't satisfy really the need to find a true
optimum .... What I would like to see is a new optimized operating plan be put in
place and kept up to date .... I think we have a unique opportunity... We have a
brand new colonel... chief hydrologist .... do some very constructive work with
them... get a plan that tries to be reasonably up to date and to take into account the
current trends in construction and current trends in water flows ....
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Atkins/Charles .... two minutes on a question .... One of the things I remember...
recreation. It seemed like when we were making headway operationally with
some of the issues .... that there are water levels that must be maintained for
recreation. You didn't say anything about that in there ....
Larry Molnar/I found it very interesting to see the Corps did address that a little bit in
this report .... One point that was not well understood four years ago... whether we
want to see the target levels in the lake reduced in order to improve flood control.
We don't want to see the target levels reduced in order to improve flood control.
There is little improvement you can get by doing that .... Because there is no
impetus from our side or from any other side to change those target levels, that is
not going to hurt recreation. On the other hand though, in the current report, they
point out that every time the lake goes up to high levels .... they actually have to
close the boat ramps. So letting the lake get to a very full level frequently, means
that in those years, one out of five, recreation is damaged by not having an
optimal plan.
Kubby/So if they release the water differently, they could get back to the targeted level ....
Molnar/Right .... when the lake goes up a little bit, boaters love it. When the lake goes up
a lot, they can't use it.
Newsom/Quite a number of outflow reduction... many many farmers .... Corps lets the
lake fill up and then they have to flow the water at high levels for two months ....
They request, sometimes, why don't you just let some of these floods go
through .... just ignore the one foot floods .... then you have the extra capacity at the
end of the season where you can cut it down during harvest period and save
millions of dollars of damages. Virtually every wet year they fill the lake and are
unable to do any downstream flood control during the harvest season and that is
like two out of five years.
Thornberry/I was under the impression that they try to keep it at a certain level... in case
there are no rains ....
Newsom/Actually it is quite low, 5-7% of the lake volume is their target.
Molnar/And that level is chosen in case there is a drought .... If you go from 7% down to
3% you gain only a few percent towards flood control...
Thomberry/I have had a boat out there for many years .... It is not even ....
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Newsom/ .... because of the increase flow into the lake, the result was the lake was full all
of the time .... It was just up because there was a lot of water coming in.
Thomberry/It was also way down...
Lehman/What is the level that they designate, the optimal level for recreation?
Molnar/The levels aren't chosen explicitly for recreation. As the lake has silted in.. the
levels do go up .... Recreation is not first priority. The current levels... in the
spring, have it as low as possible in case of flood ....679. In the summer they raise
it a bit in case of drought, 683.
Lehman/
Molnar/That is 7%.
Lehman/93% of the capacity is still there ....
Molnar/When they first built it, 670 was the summer level .... had to come up because of
the silting.
Newsom/In the fall they raise it for the birds, nesting grounds...
Molnar/Fall level is 686.
Nov/Is there any other questions?
Newsom/One final comment... I read Steve's letter... wonderful ....
Kubby/If we could get that flashflood operations as a written document .... easy to say
implement it ....
Nov/Sometimes things happen ....
Kubby/
Rick Fosse/They have a standard operating procedure in writing.
Molnar/What they have in writing is simply at what level a phone call is made to Rock
Island... threshold in each of the creeks .... What they don't have worked out... how
they will respond to that .... good to work out a response in advance.. a table of
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these things .... What disturbs me... in conclusions they say we are done, we don't
intend to do anymore. I don't know what to make of it ....
Norton/Didn't they also say they don't have a budget to do more? ....
Newsom/They didn't request it .... The first test of the SOP.. occurred on... Clear Creek...
they have a phone... they are required to call ....
Council/(Thank you).
Kubby/If after an appropriate period of time, if you haven't heard anything, follow up on
it and not just wait for them to respond.
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WooIf Avenue Bridge Update 97-143 S1
Nov/Woolf Avenue Bridge Update.
Fosse/Tomorrow night we will be setting the p.h. for the Woolf Avenue bridge and with
that is the paving from Newton Road to Baird... Steve Jacobson from NNW, done
the design on the project... Give you a preview of the project and some of the
issues .... Lay it out on the table.
Steve Jacobson/(Refers to project concept plan). Here is the concept plan of the project ....
Here is the bridge right here. Federal funds include 60 feet on either end of it ....
Existing roadway is 25 feet ....bridge... barrier rails... 28 feet ....Existing
sidewalks... 8 foot sidewalks ....wider walks, high rail ....replacing sidewalks and
we are adding a sidewalk on the south end of the bridge to Newton Road .... (refers
to plan)... retaining walls .... A couple of good size trees that we are going to have
to take out in order to build the retaining wall ....
Norton/Steve, what will happen to that sidewalk when it gets down there? There is no
sidewalk on Newton Road on that side for the first couple of blocks.
Fosse/The primary use of that sidewalk is funneling football traffic .... I think they will
probably be crossing the road at that point. The trees are a real issue for us
because the property owner has some sentimental attachment.
Atkins/Tell me what your thinking is on the investment of that sidewalk if it does go
nowhere. Why should we do it?... You walk in the street or you cross over.
Nov/
Norton/It is really a problem because you walk across this and then you are just stuck ....
Fosse/We are working with this corridor now ....
Atkins/Newton is the University's anyway.
Fosse/We own a chunk of it .... (refers to map).
Atkins/The roadway r.o.w. is owned and operated by the University.
Fosse/University takes it-
Kubby/And there is no way for these two trees, to build retaining walls around them? ....
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Fosse/One of the options... pushing that walk out to the back of the curb and then putting
the wall on the back side of that ....
Atkins/We have Transit problems here. We are clipping that comer ....
Thomberry/
Fosse/You can still keep that right angle by pushing things out a little bit ..... That used to
be a Y shape there .... by virtue of an easement .... We are just laying out what we
think long term is optimum for the area there.
Norton/It would be nice to save those two trees.
Kubby/What are they? What is the life span? .... If they have 40, 50, 80 years left in
them ....
Council/(All talking).
Fosse/I think the best tree is the one right in the bend there .... I was hoping to have that
information here tonight. I wasn't able to arrange that. We can sure look into that.
Norton/If you could angle the street just a hair.
Lehman/I would hate to see us angle the street, spend a lot of extra money and still lose
the tree...
Fosse/That is something we need to look at .... also property owner preferences ....
property owner now has a very difficult snow removal obligation ....
Nov/I think that egress is important there .....otherwise... no place to put the snow ....
Lehman/There is no way to save the tree ....
Council/(All talking).
Kubby/If you can save it without huge expense and without interfering with other trees
on the other side, if they have some longevity left in them ....
Nov/It is also possible you can have a less sharp curve there and that might help the
trees.
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Council/(All talking).
Norton/What have the other property owners... said about the sidewalk on that side? ....
Jacobson/They don't want to maintain it ....
Norton/Join the rest of us.
Council/(All talking).
Nov/Can we consider replanting the trees that we take out?
Fosse/Certainly.
Nov/It is the least that we can do.
Council/(All talking-refers to plans).
Norton/
Jacobson/(Refers to plans). This bridge is a little different .... vertical clearance .... Got to
get the vertical clearance .... lighten it up .... make it thinner .... voids in the concrete
slab here to reduce the deck load .... To cut down the span length... incline the
piers .... allowed to get 16 1/2 feet of clearance there ....
Kubby/Any thought of doing any kind of concrete texturizing? ....
Fosse/This indented panels are intended to break up that flat surface ....put the name in
there... running the water main th'ough one of these voids ....
Nov/Keep this up without rust on it.
Fosse/Existing railing... these will be outer coat paint .... The end treatments of the bridge
will be very similar to the Melrose Avenue bridge .... imprinted logo on it ....this
railing is a little bit different.
Lehman/When it comes to detouring, are we going to have any signage? ..... 18
wheeler .... any indication .... lousy detour.
Jacobson/Yes, I believe we do have a sign on the other side of First Avenue ....
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Norton/Looks cleaner ....
Jacobson/
Kubby/Are these going to be smooth concrete pillars?
Jacobson/Right. With some coloring .... rubbed end posts on Melrose .... Whole bridge
will have the same texture.
Lehman/
Nov/Is it going to have a little bit of color in it?
Jacobson/Yes ....
Norton/Does it have kind of a massive look? ....
Nov/Most of the time a bridge that wide is massive ....
Fosse/The mass was a concern of ours .... (refers to plan) .... What is different about this
bridge, there are no beams under this deck. The deck carries the load .... This is
one structural unit and that is you compress the bridge .... (refers to plan).
Norton/Is it like any other bridge that we have seen? ....
Fosse/For county bridges, that is often what is done ....
Council/(All talking).
Jacobson/ .... poured in place .... What we did with the piers .... drive these piles at those
angles... case the pile and the pier is done, that is it and then we are going to pour
the superstructure on top of that. That will make the process quicker ....
Council/(All talking).
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Fosse/The piling will be steel .....
Norton/When you get the piers in and you want to put the deck on .... forms?...
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Jacobson/They will put in some steel beams across there (refers to plans). DOT has
agreed we can go back about 14 feet for clearance ....
Fosse/Let's back up to trees for just a moment. I want to make sure I understand the
direction. Evaluate the remaining life of the trees... evaluate what means we might
have to keep the trees there without compromising the project significantly.
Council/(All talking).
Norton/Does that mean relocating the road slightly?
Nov/If you can change the bend in the road, you can try it. But if you cannot-
Council/(All talking).
Norton/Do the best you can.
Nov/If we cannot save the tree or two trees, please replace them with a similar variety.
Fosse/Okay ....
Nov/
Fosse/Those trees are in the r.o.w. A couple of them that are kind of on the line.
Nov/If you replace it, you can put it on private property rather than city r.o.w.
Fosse/If that will work out that close to the building.
Nov/See what will work out.
Fosse/Thank you.
Nov/We are going to have pedestrian traffic during construction?
Fosse/Yes .... working on .... the temporaw pedestrian bridge has a lot of value... may be
able to use those to get across the Iowa River with the Iowa River Corridor Trail.
We bought the ones from the contractor .... Melrose Avenue... two of those will go
into the Iowa River Corridor Trail portion to be built next year... saving about
$18,000 by doing that ....
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Norton/On the north side here, can you keep that row of trees? ....
Jacobson/Yes .... some of that sidewalk.. good shape ....
Nov/Electrical stuff there?
Jacobson/(Refers to plan).
Fosse/Utility issues are significant on this project ....
Norton/Once you have done this ....
Jacobson/A total of six of them that will be clear through... water main... phone
company .... power company .... VA .... It will all be inside the bridge .... 16".
Council/(All talking).
Norton/Always thought Rider Street is the worse set of posts .... awful ....
Kubby/Sheridan Avenue... Curb comes down and flattens out ....
Fosse/That is where the asphalt is going to go back in .... cost was not very much more ....
is a bus route .... transition between asphalt and concrete .... worth the money to not
have those transitions ....
Lehman/Rick, you sure kept the people on Wylde Green happy .....
Council/(All talking).
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Council Agenda/Council Time 97-143 S2
1. Kubby/Mike Finley who lives on First Avenue... upset .... strong language ....(HyVee)
lighting.
2. Kubby/Because of the weather this fall ....hoping we can extend our leaf pickup later
in the year ....
Thornberry/
Atkins/ ....I will make a note of it and we will keep an eye on it ....
3. Kubby/I noticed P/R Commission .... looking at contracting out services. I would like
us to get some information about that, what that means ....
Nov/I assume that will come up in budget discussions.
Kubby/ ....I would like to see the numbers ....
Atkins/In response to fact that I told Terry I would like to see more mowing next year
along Highway 6.
Kubby/ ....Open Space Ordinance ....
Atkins/I am sure we have the equipment ....
Vanderhoef/
Atkins/I will find out.
4. Kubby/In same set of minutes there was a comment that some council members have
been approached by Willa Dickens about city purchasing some land abutting
Hickory Hill Park ....
Atkins/I have a map of that.
Kubby/Was anyone here approached by?-
Vanderhoef/It was an offhand comment.
Kubby/What size?
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Vanderhoef/(Can't hear)
Atkins/I will get you the map, Karen ....
Kubby/
Atkins/I will drag that map out for you.
5. Kubby/(Agenda Item #4g(1) Isaac Bums-skateboarding) I also got this letter from
Isaac Bums, one of the people who has built the ramps and stuff out in the parking
lot, suggesting that maybe we change the location of things. We just need to
respond in some way.
Nov/I would like to respond to say the ramps are your responsibility. I would like you to
take some responsibility for getting them put away at night .... Sunday morning ....
Kubby/That is not really their request in the letter.
Nov/
Norton/They want to be under cover ....
Kubby/I would like to hear from police officers ....
Thomberry/ ....They are not that responsible ....
Council/(All talking).
Norton/Is it out of the question to reconsider it?
Thomberry/ .... I am not ready to do that when they haven't shown the propensity to do
what they are suppose to do.
Kubby/
Nov/I think there has to be somebody to accept responsibility for this and so far, I am not
sure who it is ....
Kubby/Part of the impetus for moving that .... too big ....heavy ....
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Nov/Even if they are heavy, they are taking up part of the parking spaces during the
day ....
Norton/Might be some alcoves .... trying to accommodate them, too.
Council/(All talking).
Nov/My concern about this is they are not putting away these pieces of equipment and
they are not following the rules... hours .... I am not sure they are going to develop
responsibility by moving .... My concern is they left it out all night ....
Kubby/Maybe some communication-
Norton/Well, who is going to meet with them? .....
Nov/I don't know.
Norton/Somebody ought to be designated to talk to Bums.
Kubby/I would be happy to do that .... remind them of their responsibility ....
Nov/They ought to at least be pushed off to the side .....
Norton/ ....wheels ....
Kubby/I will call Isaac... to say that we are not interested in another location at this time
until we have seen they have taken the responsibility.
Nov/A summer sport ....
Norton/They will be over there in the middle of winter.
6. Kubby/City Manager gave us a list of police issues that we have said that we are going
to talk about. I ask that that be scheduled.
7. Norton/Steve .... review the Water Project costs .... I would like to get a chance to look
those figures over before we have the p.h. on November 11 .... I would like to have
a feeling .... review those water project costs... pending list.
Nov/We have a list of numbers .... I left a message for Don Yucuis to develop the
numbers for our low income discount ....
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Atkins/I will check that for you tomorrow.
Norton/ ....where we have gone and how much we have grown or shrunk.
8. Norton/ .... in five minutes... 6-8 bikes on the sidewalks uptown... both sides .... I keep
wondering whether we need auxiliary police .... a lot of places... people...
unarmed.. pairs .... identifiable thing ....
Atkins/I asked R.J. to look at it today .....police reserve ....
Norton/
9. Norton/Thinking about parking thing downtown .... University role therein .... met
directly with Mary Sue or other significant people in the University ....
Atkins/Read my update memo I am sending in the next day or so .... I met with Ann
Rhodes... You will be getting an update in the next day or so.
Norton/Would there be any virtue with a gang of us meeting with Ann and Mary Sue and
others?
Nov/Think about it after you read the update, okay.
Lehman/I think .... at least once a year we should be sitting down with Mary Sue and
Anne Rhodes .... informal whatever you got to tell us ....
Kubby/ ....communicating frequently enough ....
Lehman/We really should sit down ....
Norton/
10. Norton/I want to applaud the efforts of work on Channel 10 and Channel 4 .....
consolidation... keep it up ....wonderfrei possibility .....
11. Vanderhoef/P/R had lots of things .... dust control at Napoleon Park .... that might be a
place... try our shingle application into that parking lot.
Atkins/I will check on that.
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12. Vanderhoef/Question about the parking places in front of the Senior Center .... five
spaces ....
Norton/Five will be for seniors.
Vanderhoef/How are they labeled and how do they know who parks there?
Kubby/Senior Center has an attendant that does the volunteer permitted ones ....
Vanderhoef/Curious... senior permit? What the time limits were? Handicapped?
Atkins/I will find out for you.
Norton/
13. Vanderhoef/Other thing that struck me in the (P/R) minutes was the comment... Don
Yucuis.. met with Neighborhood Council... someone... Miller/Orchard area being
short on park land ..... long history on that .....
Lehman/They tore that old house down today .... old brick house ....
Council/(All talking).
14. Vanderhoef/How many spaces are we taking off of that comer of Jefferson and
Johnson to put the shuttle bus?
Norton/...45 feet? ....
Kubby/They are not marked ....
Council/(All talking).
Norton/60 feet is what they are going to have back from the comer .... number of cars you
can get in 45 feet.
Atkins/Maybe three.
15. Thomberry/We have to be in the south part of Iowa City .... lot of people using the
soccer fields ....
Norton/
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16. Kubby/Next time you see Joe, congratulate him, he was second in his age group in
the Hospice 5K.
17. Nov/I have a request from Linda Severson for two people to come to HSA hearings...
second week in November .... The people who have done it for two years may do it
again .... preference between Wednesday night and Thursday night...
Council/
Nov/Once a week .... ten weeks of meetings ....Mid-November to January ....
Council/
Nov/ ....Kubby ....Thomberry ....Thursday ....
Meeting Adjourned: 10:00 PM.
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