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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1997-10-20 TranscriptionOctober 20, 1997 Council Work Session Council: Nov, Kubby, Lehman, Norton, Thomberry, Vanderhoef. Absent: Baker. Staff: Atkins, Helling, Karr, Dilkes, Franklin, Davidson, Ripley, Mitchell, Handshaker, Goodman-Herbst, Fosse. Tapes: 97-142, all; 97-143, all. Additions to the Consent Calendar 97-142 S1 Jim / Jimmy's Brick Oven Care .... Liquor License .... November Karr/Everything is in order. Nov/We will add it to tomorrow's agenda. / Athena Restaurant ....320 E. Burlington .... Nov/Do we have all of the?- Karr/Yes, it is in order. Nov/We will put it on the agenda tomorrow. Page 1 This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 2 Review Zoning Matters 97-142 S1 a. Consider a motion setting a public hearing for November 11 on an application to amend the approved Sensitive Areas Development Plan for Walden Hills to allow the development of Lot 53, containing 8.66 acres and located within the OSA-8, Sensitive Areas Overlay zone at the northwest corner of Rohret Road and Shannon Drive. (REZ97-0016) Franklin/First four items on the P/Z matters are setting p.h.s for November 11. First is the redevelopment of Lot 53 in Walden Hills. If the P/Z Commission is not done with this as anticipated, we will just defer or continue the p.h. b. Consider a motion setting a public hearing for November 11 on a resolution approving the annexation of a 2.81 acre tract located southeast of the intersection of Iowa Highway 1 and Naples Avenue. (ANN97-0002) Franklin/ .... both (b. & c.) have to do with property near Naples Avenue and Highway 1 by the Winebrenner property. It is annexation and zoning of a very small parcel. c. Consider a motion setting a public hearing for November 11 on an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance by changing the use regulations of a 2.81 acre tract, located southeast of the intersection of Iowa Highway 1 and Naples Avenue, from County CP-1, Planned Commercial, to CI-1, Intensive Commercial. (REZ97- 0014) d. Consider a motion setting a public hearing for November 11 on an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance by changing the use regulations of a 0.87 acre tract, located on the east side of West Side Drive and south of Earl Road, from RM- 12, Low Density Multi-Family Residential and CI-1, Intensive Commercial, to CO-I, Commercial Office. (REZ97-0004) Franklin/Rezoning along Earl Road and Westside Drive which is Westside Park Development off Mormon Trek near the Lepic Kroeger Building. It is for insurance offices. They have already gone through the Board of Adjustment and obtained a reduction in parking. Kubby/I have a question about one of the conditions. About the lighting being 1 1/2 foot candles. I am very sensitive to that right now. At the property line right now, HyVee is 1 1/2 foot candles which is not appropriate for their site plan. Just that brightness is very bright and this is so close to residential. I am concerned that that is too bright. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 3 Franklin/Let me look into that before you have your p.h. This is just setting the p.h. So we can check that out in terms of what the standard was that was used and why that was chosen. Nov/Is that what HyVee has? Kubby/On their site plan it says 1 foot candles .... Norton/It is a real problem because the bulbs are visible from your residence .... Kubby/If we can check into why that is .... In talking with Julie Tallman about lighting issues... she has noticed, there isn't anything in the performance standards that protect residential property unless it is part of a condition. And that as we are going into our Zoning Code .... to do more neighborhood commercial .... may also need to look into performance measures to make sure neighborhoods have some recourse... Thomberry/There is a movement... brighter parking lots for security reasons. Burger King Corp., for example has come out and I have got until spring to increase my lighting by 50%. Kubby/But what if that is against local standards? Thornberry/I am sure there is something in that that ifI don't, I am not in compliance ..... In my national contract .... I have said that I would comply with all current and upgraded things .... The lighter a public place is, the less crime .... Kubby/But we also need to make sure that businesses are good neighbors .... I am experiencing 1 1/2 foot candles at my home and that is interfering with the use of my property. My backyard is lit up at night .... I would like to know what the reason for that standard was and to discuss it some more. Norton/And we do need to review it. Thornberry/And I want to see the ordinance that says what candle power is required. Is there a maximum candle power? Franklin/It is usually in foot candles. Thornberry/ .... We have a noise ordinance on the books, but also we do not have a decimal meter. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 4 Kubby/But we do have a light meter. Norton/One of the problems is if you want a certain foot candles on the deck... high... got to have a lot of power .... diffusion. I think we could bring them down. Problem at HyVee is they are so high... a lot of power... a lot of diffusion out beyond the perimeter of the place. Nov/They could also do a little bit more shielding. Kubby/Direct the light where they need it for security ..... I have a problem with that safeness interferes with people's individual use of their home property .... Franklin/Maybe we will put performance standards for lighting on for a work session discussion .... e. Public hearing on the Comprehensive Plan, including the South District Plan. Franklin/The next item is the p.h. on the Comprehensive Plan including the South District Plan. We are going to have a detailed work session on this on November 3 with the P/Z Commission starting at 6:30 here. Is there anything that you need to know desperately before the p.h. tomorrow night? Okay. Norton/I still don't have a suitable sewer map ....color coded for size and location and I understood somebody was working at it ..... f. Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Chapter by changing the zoning designation from RS-5, Low Density Single-Family Residential to OPDH-5, Planned Development Housing Overlay Zone, for 3.63 acres located east of Somerset Lane and south of Wellington Drive. (REZ97-0012) (Second consideration) Franklin/Second consideration on the rezoning for Wellington Condominiums. You do have a letter in your packet .... for expedited consideration of this. It is required, if you are to pass item h., final plat for Village Green, Part 15. g. and h. are the preliminary plat and the final plat for Village Green, Part 15, which includes the lot that is being rezoned in item f. Kubby/Why did they need private refuse? Franklin/Because they are going to have more than- I think. That would typically be the reason if they are going to have four or more units .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 5 Nov/One lot has more than four units. Franklin/ ....that must be why. Kubby/If someone came in and wanted to develop this whole area... dissuade them from doing in piece meal fashion now, wouldn't we? .... Franklin/When it was originally done... there was a concept plan for the entire Village Green. Then when it was amended... condominium type of development, we had a larger concept plan also which has been incrementally moving. However, what we don't have settled is that large Outlot A and how that is going to shake out .... Vanderhoef/This is for Part 15, I can't find 15 on the map .... Norton/On the bigger map it doesn't show 15. Council/(All talking). Nov/Karin, there has been several discussion about another access point for this area. Does this development get us there? Franklin/The other access point that we have talked about is the connection to Scott Blvd. This does not get us to Scott Blvd. yet .... This, in combination with another final plat, gets us a connection to South Village Green ....It does not get us to the connection with Scott Blvd. Nov/So we are still dealing with a single access point for almost all of this, right? Franklin/No, there is not a single access point. You can go two ways .... either exit to Scott Blvd. or you can go west to Wayne Street out of the Village Green Development. So there is not just one access point to this whole thing. Vanderhoef/How are we on safety even though we have two? Franklin/We don't have a problem with secondary access with this development. Vanderhoef/ Franklin/(Refers to overhead projector plat map). Part 15... is the entire Outlot A .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 6 Council/(All talking). Franklin/This has been redone enough times that the increments have occurred. That Outlot A is now part of Part 15. Ignore the dotted line delineation ....(refers to map-Part 15). Nov/ ....shall we waive the second and do the final? ..... g. Consider a resolution approving the preliminary plat of Village Green, Part Fifteen, a 36.75 acre, 1-lot residential subdivision with three outlots located south of Wellington Drive and east of Somerset Lane. h. Consider a resolution approving the final plat of Village Green, Part Fifteen, a 36.75 acre, 1-lot residential subdivision with three outlots located on Somerset Lane. (SUB97- 0022) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 7 Peninsula Development 97-142 S1 Franklin/Okay, we are just starting to work on this project and this is for development of the 92, minus what goes to the Elks' Club, acres on the upper portions of the Peninsula. What we have done to date... staff meetings... things we would like to see happen on the Peninsula .... we want to discuss this with City Council. The timeline on this is going to be determined largely by when the Elks' finish their golf holes and we can build Foster Road. In the agreement that is before you for p.h. tomorrow night, the Elks' have until November 30, 1998 to complete the golf hole construction at which time we can build Foster Road. They are going to try and do that much sooner .... Dilkes/Karin, 1999 is the outside limit. Franklin/1999 is the outside limit. They will likely get it done before that and then we can go ahead with Foster Road ..... Now isn't too soon to start talking about what we want to do on the Peninsula because we are going to have to define that .... We are going to have somebody come into town this week... lecture in this room, Thursday evening on a concept in planning called Neo-traditional Planning... trying to create new neighborhoods that are reminiscent of the older neighborhoods that you find in a city... take the characteristics of the neighborhoods of that city and try to recreate that in new neighborhoods .... Kubby/Is there an opportunity for council members to go and tour the Peninsula with staff?. .... Franklin/I don't even know when we are going .... sometime on Friday .... I suppose it is possible... If you are interested, let me know and I will let you know when we are going. Norton/ .... something I put in the packet about development of this kind new Seattle .... trying to do exactly this kind of thing ..... Thornberry/ Lehman/How many of us are going to that meeting on Thursday? Council/(All talking). Nov/It is just sitting and listening, there is no problem. Council/(All talking). This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 8 Franklin/I think you can ask a question. You just can't have discussion amongst yourself about the issues there at the meeting. At any rate, that is on for Thursday. One of the things I would like to do with you tonight is go over what your ideas are for this... facilitate your discussion .... go around the table, get your ideas, and list them on the flipchart here ....The next step will be to have some discussions with the P/Z Commission .... Thornberry/What is the price that we are looking for, for this property here? .... Franklin/The very basic thing that we need to do is replace in the General Fund $1.3 million. Thomberry/Is that what we are going to try to get for that upper Peninsula property? Franklin/You bet and then some. Thomberry/Has it been- Has the property been appraised? Franklin/It was appraised when we purchased it and that was $15,000 an acre when we purchased it. We got that inflation thing going. Thornben~j/And how long ago was that? Franklin/Two years. Thornberry/How many acres are there? Franklin/Approximately 92 .... take out 15 for the Elks' .... The floodplain is not considered in the 92. The 92 is the flat portion and the hillside. Thornberry/ Norton/ Thomberry/We are trying to visionary... realistic. Franklin/The very basic point that I think we need to agree on is that we are going to replace the $1.3 million in the General Fund. Is that agreed to by the council? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 9 Council/(Yes). Franklin/Okay .... Now I want to take ideas .... go around the table .... as to what you would like to see happen on this development. Norton/...range of costs... some small lot sizes .... Franklin/Do you mean owner occupied as well as rental? Norton/I think both... owner occupied... rental ....mixed both in ownership and rental. Franklin/Ownership and rental. Kubby/ .... affordability can be sustained over time .... That someone doesn't buy a home... at $70,000, then two years later .... worth $100-... parts of it owned by non-profit .... something that helps sustain the affordability .... Franklin/ Lehman/Important... to see to it that we get our money back ..... bottom line.. we have got to be able to do this in a fashion that enables us to recover what we have got invested... innovative .... park... maybe we can forego that ..... Kubby/ Thomberry/ Nov/There is plenty of floodplain land .... Franklin/ Nov/I have one reservations ....I would like to specify no gasoline. Thomberry/ Nov/...convenience store ....I am very concerned about that .... Lehman/ Nov/I still think it can leak and it will go down hill when it does. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 10 Franklin/ Thomberry/What is the median income that you are discussing? ..... Franklin/For a family of four, $49,500, 80% median for a family of four ..... that is for Iowa City. Nov/ Thornberry/ Franklin/That is the figure that we use for all of our programs, CDBG, HOME ..... use that figure that we use for all of our assistance programs ....That will change over time. Nov/ Vanderhoef/ .... In this place you are talking about median income without stating which median .... In the notes on the elderly housing proposal for west Iowa City, it specifically says in the minutes of P/Z that it is county median income. I am concemed .... Franklin/The intent... is to use the median income that we use for all of our CDBG and assistance programs .... Vanderhoef/I want it clarified at some point in time. Franklin/In terms of the goals for development of this property, is it to meet a certain income category for affordability or not? The idea in the memo was that we were focusing on 80% of median as opposed to 30% of median which is very low income. 80% of median is a moderate income and it is the target group when we look at housing programs that is mostly likely to succeed in owner occupancy and could probably afford the level that we were looking at in terms of the $90,000 to $125,000 owner occupancy .... The issue is do you want to address 80% of median or do you want to address 50% of median or 30% of median .... Thornberry/My question .... median income .... suggest that 15% of the housing units... owner occupied meet that criteria and as long as #1 is we get our $1.3- I have no problem with that if someone... a developer... multi- Are these going to be suggestions or mandates to the developer? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 11 Franklin/Right now, all they are are suggestions... trying to get an idea of sense of council and what you are expecting... in this Peninsula development. We will have further discussions... before it goes out for RFP .... We are at the very beginning of describing what it is we would like a developer to do. Kubby/We have an opportunity... guidance .... We should ask for what we want and see if it is realistic. Norton/ Thornberry/I have no problem with that as long as these are suggestions... We need to get our money out of the property ..... Franklin/One sentence... last paragraph, first page. An underlying factor in our discussion is the fact that we must reimburse the General Fund $1.3 million used to acquire Peninsula property. That is the bottom line. We have to do that. Kubby/ ....go possibly into the partnership .... Thornberry/ .... $1.3- I don't think is the minimum that we could possible get... If it were $1.9 with one condition .... Franklin/You guys are debating again. We are trying to make a list here of this development, of what you would like to see happen ..... We got the payback, that is very basic. What else? .... Nov/Everybody will have a chance to work on the RFP .... Norton/ ....We are not suggesting maximize the return on it. Franklin/There will be many other of these discussions. Thomberry/We should not perhaps put a whole lot of regulations .... Vanderhoef/I like having some commercial .... question about whether it will fly .... Franklin/So in the best of all possible worlds, you would have some small commercial development there .... Norton/I am hoping... alleys .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 12 Kubby/Go back to income question... go lower than $90-... go a little lower on the median income... means the price range of the owner occupied would have to be lower .... 70% of median income to be able to have 30% of their income go to that house payment and insurance. Franklin/ Lehman/I would like to see that when we do this RFP, we do it with options .... We have an opportunity here to do something .... Franklin/We want to set out goals for the developer. These are things we are trying to achieve. And the specifics will be up to them. Thomberry/ Nov/Like to emphasize pedestrian access to the river .... pedestrian trails, bike trails .... Thornberry/Sub-bullet. I would like .... low median income, I would assume not see any mobile homes-manufactured housing .... Franklin/ Vanderhoef/Housing over the top of commercial ..... Norton/ Kubby/Modular housing is okay. Lehman/ Nov/I would like less architectural consistency ....I want variety. Franklin/ Norton/What is the biggest unit we are expecting? Franklin/The cap that we talked about... 12 units in a building ....in terms of scale there. Thornberry/That is a little high. Franklin/Depends on how it is done. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 13 Norton/What does Summit Apartments have in it? .... Kubby/Commercial .... multi-family .... Thornberry/ ....different levels but it is all connected .... Norton/Experiment .... Franklin/ Vanderhoef/ .... look into .... transportation situation out there .... need to look at... provide transportation at a cost effective way. Franklin/In terms of transit are you talking about? Vanderhoef/ Franklin/There are access limitations... Foster Road... hold down on the density as you get out onto the Peninsula .... Vanderhoef/What is our capacity when you don't have secondary access in terms of safety? Franklin/Jeff has done an analysis of it in terms of density that could be placed on the entire Peninsula .... RS-5 is the most that we could go ..... Washington Park land north of Foster Road .... closest to the river. When we look at construction of Foster Road... arterial in terms of access... 28 foot wide street, eight foot sidewalk ....Iowa River Corridor River Trail system ....have ....r.o.w .....such that you could have the sidewalk system... setbacks... limit driveway access .... We have put some thought into that already .... Norton/ Franklin/What we need to do... work that we have already done on the density questions and Foster Road and forward that to city council. We have that work done .... It's typed. This was looking at it if the Elks' ever develop their property... calculations have been done. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 14 Kubby/Leave the wooded ravines alone .... construction as well as after that .... The ravine and the woodland... during the construction those areas are protected as well as once everything is built up. Thomberry/ Kubby/ ....leave them alone ....unless safety consideration for the project. Norton/We don't want to move a lot of dirt out there... minimize the dirt moving .... Thomberry/ Kubby/Clean up the ravines .... human made trash .... Franklin/Anything else that you want to add to the list? .... take this list and try to mold it into something that is cohesive ....core of what we will start to work with... Have a session with the P/Z Commission ....then start working on the RFP. We will take in the input that you have given us tonight, the P/Z Commission, what we learn from Mr. Dover's comments this week and anything else that is out there .... maybe public discussion of this. Lehman/ ....Will there be consulting with developers? CHANGE TAPE TO 97-142 SIDE 2 Franklin/We have already had some consultation with some developers. We have been approached by some developers who are interested in this property for a variety of different things ....You can't get in too close of a relationship with the developer prior to the RFP .... Nov/Your overhead thing is not working .... Kubby/How were the recommendations from the Housing Forum affect our discussion we just had on features? Franklin/That is another piece of input. Kubby/We may want to revisit it after we see those recommendations. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 15 Franklin/You may want to. They are having a meeting the 29th ..... draft report... suggestion... the Peninsula be used as an opportunity to provide a mix of housing .... I don't see anything that is going to clash .... Norton/Is this absolutely given... residential?.. There is no office park out there? .... Everyone that lives out there will have to work somewhere else? Franklin/Yes... pretty small area... close to downtown ..... success in building office research parks has been slim .... gone out to Oakdale. Nov/ Norton/ Franklin/Okay. Thank you. Flipchart range of costs · some small lots · ownership and rental · sustainable affordability partnerships trusts · recover investments · no gasoline sales · income guidelines - assessment of some small commercial · alleys · lowering income level to 70% of median · pedestrian access to river · no manufactured housing · housing over top of commercial · modular housing · less emphasis on architectural consistency · transit issues · intervening land - how can it be developed · leave wooded ravines alone- construction protection as well as permanent This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 16 Benton Street/Riverside Intersection 97-142 S2 Davidson/We had a traffic management issue for your consideration tonight .... staff's responsibility to try and maximize the way the various modes of transportation compete with each other .... Issue... relates to a specific council action that was taken a few years ago... 1993 .... bring it back for your consideration... started .... We noticed that we were being contacted by a number of people .... intersection of Benton and Riverside Drive about .... a deterioration of traffic service through that intersection .... did concur there seems to be some further deterioration of service .... during .... cue of traffic north bound .... got back so far... interrupting Wardway intersection traffic .... Contacted by group of neighbors in Woodside Drive, Greenwood Drive area to take a look at potential traffic calming for their neighborhood .... traffic counters .... arterial level of traffic operating on Greenwood Drive, cut through traffic .... was seeking to avoid the intersection of Benton and Riverside .... decided to take a closer look .... What we found... significant contributor to the deterioration of traffic service ..... is the amount of traffic volume has increases everywhere in Iowa City .... we have a a 21 second all red phase at this intersection .... a very very disruptive thing to traffic through the intersection .... all red phase... traffic stopped in all directions .... Thomberry/Would that need new hardware to eliminate? Davidson/No, city street crews can take care of that .... Issue .... consider .... To achieve the greatest improvement in traffic flow .... Can pedestrians still be accommodated safely through this intersection if we do that? .... We are of the opinion that a walklight on the green phase ....competing with right turning traffic ....pedestrian has the r.o.w. Lehman/ Davidson/I am not aware of any all red phases on Burlington Street .... You don't have to have a walklight. A pedestrian at a crosswalk has the r.o.w. always ....Research .... It was an issue of aggressive drivers .... Thomberry/ Davidson/My understanding any pedestrian in a crosswalk, including on a don't walk. Council/(All talking). Davidson/Did check with Roosevelt Elementary School .... not an issue ....Simply asking if you care to reconsider the- This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 17 Kubby/ ....We should retract it. Council/(All talking). Vanderhoef/I want a little update. I read the report on traffic calming on Teg Drive ..... not conclusive .... My request... not to move forward on at least humps in any other part of the city until we have more conclusive- Davidson/Those all come back to you, Dee. Vanderhoef/When I see this list .... I hate to see us put in any other traffic calming until we are real clear that we are not forcing traffic into the residential. Davidson/We will do the follow-up with Teg Drive .... see where the traffic is gone .... We will be doing that this spring... Wouldn't be able to put any humps down until spring anyway .... Vanderhoef/Neighborhoods get excited .... Norton/Our plan is for them to do the studies ....They do the counts, don't they? .... Kubby/There can be discussions before there is final design .... Vanderhoef/ Norton/ Lehman/Jeff, if you finish the study... driving those cars to Sunset Street, that is where we wanted them in the first place. Davidson/Yes .... If we determine that other local residential streets are bearing the brunt of the traffic... that is something we are concerned about. If it is diverted to Benton, Sunset and Mormon Trek, then we are not. The arterial streets are where we want the traffic to be. Kubby/It may not be as simple... to say that the humps were not successful... gradual calming things... Davidson/Real traffic calming strategies are neighborhood wide, not precisely on one street. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 18 Vanderhoef/ Lehman/I don't think we have ever given an indication that we were going to do anything more than Teg Drive .... Davidson/We have these other three in the mill .... Council/ Kubby/We have committed to the idea of traffic calming .... Nov/Karen, did you have another question? Kubby/I did. It was about Melrose Avenue and Hawkins Drive. Is it possible to re-stripe the road in that one area without reconstruction? ....to make the street a little more functional. Davidson/The short answer.. with the left turn lane that is needed for Melrose Place, no, probably not. Kubby/ Davidson/ .... They felt very strongly there needed to be a left turn at Melrose Place. That is a very severe zigzag .... probably would be far enough way from good design that we wouldn't want to recommend doing that. Lehman/How many people live on Melrose Place? Davidson/I don't remember... 10-12 residences. Lehman/Turn lane... the number of people served by that turn lane... very small .... Davidson/Other issue... line intersections up ....There is a left turn lane at the opposite side of the approach .... Kubby/It makes sense to have a right turn lane. I am not sure I am ready to tear that fresh concrete to do it. Lehman/I am not ready yet either. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 19 Council/(All talking). Nov/Is there a right turn on red allowed there? Council/(All talking). Nov/I have another Riverside Drive it up that I would like you to think about... The distance between Burlington Bridge and Iowa Avenue Bridge on Riverside Drive heading north is often a single line of cars. You cannot getting through the Burlington intersection and get into the next segment. If there is anything we can do to move that .... restricting right turn on red from Burlington to Riverside during certain hours could help. Davidson/There is a right tum prohibition at Iowa Avenue, if you are north bound on Riverside Drive .... I am talking about Burlington to Iowa. The north bound cue extending back from Iowa Avenue towards Burlington Street .... Nov/I am talking about heading north from Burlington to Iowa, facing north. That is the place where there are cars lined up waiting through several lights in order to move north from Iowa Avenue on Riverside. Norton/ Nov/The cue is impossible .... Thomberry/Coming from north part of town, coming down the hill toward the Union... go across Iowa Avenue bridge and you want to go north or west... to Coralville. How do you get there? Nov/That one is easy, you just turn. Thomberry/You said no turn. Nov/I am talking from Burlington onto Riverside Drive .... you can tum right on red and that right turn on red restricts the people on Riverside from going further north because they have filled up the cue. Davidson/Why don't you let us take a look at that. It is a capacity question .... Nov/Only way if you want to be on the west side of the river .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 20 Norton/It is particularly hard when they don't even stop on red .... Vanderhoef/Is it possible to have a green arrow at the Iowa Avenue bridge when you are headed north? ..... Davidson/Let us take a look at that .... double left turn is the reason why the right turn on right prohibition there which leads to the cue of traffic extending back to Burlington. It is related somewhat. Nov/ Thornberry/One last question ....Any more talk about the intersection of Highway 1 and Prairie du Chien? Davidson/Yes .... That is part of the project to reconstruct Highway 1 North between the HyVee and where Governor and Dodge come together and that is in your CIP .... The Hilltop has been the big question there .... waiting for the individual who owns that property to voluntarily come to us ....Understanding... year to year lease .... Something happening to that parcel .....We can't signalize the intersection until we get it reconstructed .... Thornberry/Governor is backed up all the way down from Highway 1 all the way down past the cemetery at times .... Davidson/That is one of our highest delay intersections and HyVee folks call me .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 21 Winter 1997/1998 Iowa City Deer Management Plan 97-142 S2 Nov/Deer Management Plan. Atkins/We are going to have a two minute briefing by Misha. The purpose of placing it on the agenda is to allow you to ask question about what the recommendations are. The committee has met and made their recommendations... Tomorrow evening you have the actual formal p.h ..... Misha Goodman-Herbst/ .... A committee was formed based on council's recommendations for personnel to serve on a committee to look at this issue and come up with some formal management plan .... deer problem... Had 14 members on a committee ....Johnson County .... Coralville ....You all have a list of who was on the committee. We went through extensive materials .... research .... Met for hours and hours .... came up with this particular plan that you have in front of you. Thomberry/Great report .... good input from the committee members .... worked well .... I think something does need to be done .... ! agree with the report. I don't want to put my stamp of approval on this thing personally and have the DNR say no, start over .... Council/(All talking). Nov/ ....Legislators can change it ....Rules Committee .... Norton/I thought the committee did a terrific job .... Let's go with it and see what happens .... logic is there. Were hunters, the nimrods of the world, under represented? Goodman-Herbst/ .... I don't think the intention of the committee was to formulate a group of hunters .... Intention was if Iowa City had a deer population problem and how to deal with that. Norton/ Goodman-Herbst/We did have some hunters on the committee .... I also wouldn't say the majority of the committee was against hunting necessarily either. Norton/ ....came to some consensus ....impressive. Kubby/There is not private land in all of these districts that are slated for the kill .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 22 Goodman-Herbst/We would assume that some reduction would have to take place on personal property or private property and there are a variety of ways to do that .... City is going to have to determine if some kind of survey would be sent out to citizens .... We may get some of that tomorrow, what citizens think about this .... Kubby/ .... concerns... I don't want people to get used to gunfire at night in town .... Happy that there is an educational component to this ....Especially kids are not frightened .... Goodman-Herbst/Important to the committee that a good and visual educational program go out to the public ..... posted areas .... all of those things... Kubby/Another item on our agenda... prohibition for use of bows and arrows. Seems to me... want to insure that we don't have third consideration of that before we hear from the DNR .... slow that process to coincide... Nov/This would be a very controlled kind of thing .... Kubby/Would we need an exception for our deer plan? Dilkes/I think we could probably fairly easily ..... amend that ordinance .... change to say except as otherwise provided by the city council by resolution in connection with deer management plan or something to that affect .... leave that option open .... We still want to prohibit bow and arrow hunting within the city except for in a deer management situation. Kubby/ Lehman/I thought the committee did a tremendous job .... We told some folks who were having deer problems that we were going to do something about it .... We appointed a committee... I would like to see us go full speed ahead .....According to the paper... DNR was not particularly fond of us .... Not real congenial .... Goodman-Herbst/I think we all need to be a little careful about what we read in the newspapers .... The representatives from DNR provided the committee with a tremendous amount of infmxnation that assisted us in making the decision that we did. Lehman/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 23 Goodman-Herbst/They weren't unhelpful. I think there are differences of opinion in certain areas. That is to be expected .... Kubby/ .... page 11... nine points .... Page 11 .... #3 City of Iowa City .... "strongly supports their efforts to control the deer population." And I don't know that I could agree with that, that I would strongly support all those efforts ....I would have a hard time with that "strongly" in there. Lehman/It says it supports their efforts. I am reading it different than you are. Kubby/ ....interpretation of what their efforts are. I don't know that I can state that I strongly support .... Nov/Do you want to take out the word "strongly?" Is that all you want? Kubby/I am waiting for the public hearing .... A majority of council members say let's do this. And we hadn't even gotten the report and we haven't had a p.h ..... Nov/I think the report is well written. Goodman-Herbst/I would also recommend to council that you get over to the Clerk's Office... look through the stack of materials that were used .... Nov/ Vanderhoef/On that same page in your Management Plan .... Could you tell me what the discussion was that followed with that #2 on how we_are to work with the migratory paths and yet still provide transportation system in the city? .... Goodman-Herbst/The idea of this is when council is conside_ring new roadways, changes in roadways... They need to take into consideration the wildlife that live in that area .... This came up with the First Avenue Extension. You need to think about providing them with an area to pass... undercrossing... or use reflectors to keep them off the road ..... You want to look into that ..... Vanderhoef/So you are saying you can't really change their path? Goodman-Herbst/If you build enough around them, you are probably going to change their path ..... The information we have on the reflectors is it doesn't change their pathways, it simply prevents them from crossing the road at an unopportune time when a car passes by in the evening hours. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 24 Norton/Did you actually interview anyone from .... Illinois, Wisconsin .... have used sharpshooting .... ? Goodman-Herbst/Their management plans are in the packet .... There are results... synopsis of what they have done. And yes, we did interview most of the head people involved in those particular management plans. Norton/ Goodman-Herbst/Generally what happens... is that each individual state has it's own system .... Thornberry/ ....Is it a state law? What is it about not sharpshooting deer in towns? .... Goodman-Herbst/There is an administrative rule as far as I understand .... in the State of Iowa .... Thomberry/Did Cedar Rapids go with bow? Goodman-Herbst/Yes. Nov/Lisa said she checked on their response .... ability to issue 300 permits. 10 permits were issued, one deer was killed so far ..... They just started ..... Thomberry/We don't know how many were injured ..... Goodman-Herbst/There are plenty of communities that are using bow hunting also. It is just not what this committee chose to use. Kubby/Is there a reason?.. Offer from Oakdale .... sharpshooters at no cost .... Is there a reason why the committee wouldn't want to go with the Oakdale offer? Goodman-Herbst/The Police Department representative on the committee felt more comfortable with city employees .... Issue to be taken up probably through the Police Department ..... Kubby/ ....need clear lines of communication and education .... Lehman/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 25 Thomberry/ Nov/Dennis, do you have something to add? Mitchell/Go back to Dean's question about whether or not sharpshooting is actually allowed within city limits in the state. I don't think, in my reading... I don't find anything that actually prohibits the DNR from allowing us to sharpshoot here ..... I think we need to go ahead and actually file the application .... Nov/P.h. is tomorrow night. Mitchell/I did have one more point to make and that is regarding bow and arrow shoot. We have a loophole right now which would allow people to actually shoot bow and arrows in the city limits. However, I don't think that is a realistic option for this year .... certification .... No matter which option you pick, it is probably going to be next year before we can implement it Vanderhoef/One more question about the 15,000. I suspect we will get questions about whether that would be adequate to support the removal of 109 deer. Goodman-Herbst/It may not be .... Vanderhoef/People are going to trying to compare numbers .... Nov/It is still estimating ..... Kubby/In the Plan itself it doesn't seem to really directly address the question is there a problem or not ..... You concluded in certain areas there was a problem .... Goodman-Herbst/We tried to outline it in where it becomes a problem ..... Tried to outline... when, for this city, we felt it becomes too much. We found that we just couldn't blanketly say the city has a deer overpopulation problem ..... So we really wanted to be ..... very specific and outline the areas .... Council/(All talking). Nov/Deer Committee, thank you all .... Kubby/I know the Sierra Club is... speaking about this issue tomorrow night .... I am hoping that people- This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 26 Thomberry/Thank you very much for all of your time. Council/(All talking). Norton/Let's get them introduced tomorrow night. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 27 Corps of Engineers' Section 216 Coralville Reservoir Study 97-142 S2 Nov/All right, we had a copy of the Executive Summary of the Corps of Engineer's Plans .... report from the City Engineer. Do we have any questions? Fosse/I just got back in town .... Would you like just a quick overview of the process .... The Section 216 Study... three step process. The first step if the initial appraisal which was done in September of '94. Second step is the reconnaissance... dated May '97. Third step, it appears we are not headed there because Step 2 concludes there is no federal interest in going to Step 3 which is a feasibility study .... That step also has a local cost share component .... One of the things that was talked about in the initial appraisal was that there needs to be a revision to the 1991 Water Control Plan .... Corps of Engineers mentioned they were planning on doing that .... FY98 .... That has not been funded .... hydraulic issues addressed .... The depth probably isn't as much as what I would have expected, especially in the water Control Plan. The other expectation that wasn't fulfilled was the one for public opportunity to comment on this product .... I think there was some expectation locally ..... My only copy is still stamped Review Draft-Subject To Change ..... That is the background. Steve has sent a letter off to the Corps of Engineers, basically sharing some of those thoughts and letting them know we would like to see some form of public forum for discussion of the product and I am anxious to see what sort of response we get .... Kubby/ ....configuration of human use ....downstream ....Was that looked at? .... Fosse/I think there was some consideration given to that but I don't know the depth. CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 97-143 SIDE 1 Norton/...Had they raised those constraints .... it would have more impact on changing the operational plan of the dam. I am working my way through the whole reconnaissance study and... there is a lot of things looks serious... flow in the fiver is a hell of a lot bigger than it was .... no flash flood protection .... Thornberry/I think perhaps they were looking at... as to how much water goes through that dam ....It is when they can't control the flow is when there are going to be problems .... Kubby/ ....balance the needs ....upstream and downstream .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 28 Thomberry/ ....they looked at water flow. Kubby/ ....Does the management of the dam help our citizens or hurt our citizens? .... We have some people... saying the study wasn't really adequate .... Thomberry/If we have another situation of '93 or worse, it doesn't really make any different because it is going to go over the spillway. Norton/No, but there might be a different management plan. Kubby/ Norton/They didn't consider a flood worse than '93. Thomben~j/ Norton/The management plan depends on what your assumptions are .... Nov/ ....We invited Mr. Newsom and Mr. Molnar... to answer questions that we would have ..... Norton/Is there any chance that if we do something, they are going to change their mind? Atkins/I want to make sure that we understand what we can and can't do .... They could tell us the report is no good .... I really believe the critical issue is the p.h.. We have got to get them to open the process up sufficiently so that we can make the comments that we happen to believe are pertinent to the thing .... They committed to doing that and it didn't happen in the fashion at least I thought was going to happen .... It simply didn't happen .... Bottom line is we really have to press that p.h. process. Nov/And we have already sent the letter, correct? Atkins/The letter has already gone off, yes. Lehman/Critical part of the letter is that we would like a response from the Corps to these gentlemen's questions .... Atkins/ ....they can make the call... they are responsible for the dam .... Thomberry/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 29 Nov/Do you have any particular questions about the report that you read, the Molnar/Newsom report? .... Norton/ Charles Newsom/I would like to give a little bit of background ..... (Presented Overhead Projector Outlines). Larry Molnar and I have made it sort of a hobby to follow what is happening with the Corps of Engineers and the river management. It basically first started when we were provided with some data from the Corps and we began looking at the data... original design of the dam...discovered the inflow to the dam .... is about 50% higher than what it was designed for. Thomberry/Where did you get that information? Newsom/There are two sources. One from the Corps database .... We gave them the name of the publication in their library that contained the information... U.S. Geological Survey .... When you have more water coming down from above .... the lake tends to want to fill up a little faster .... Original design of dam calls for a spillway much higher than the current spillway .... 30% smaller than original design .... Our basic conclusion was the lake is going to be lot fuller quite often .... What I have here is a year by year how high the lake got effectively .... danger when you get next to the horizontal black line .... High water mark in 1993 .... we were well below this black line when the high water mark occurred from the flashfloods downstream .... (refers to Peak Lake Levels chart) .... What kinds of things can happen? The Corps is mandated by their regulation plan... to fully open the floodgates... when they reach the spillway .... They did it two times... It occurred on several occasions with major problems occurring downstream... First time was on July 5 .... The philosophy was to try and save the farms upstream .... We are very worded about the lake being full all of the time .... And all we really asked .... ask now is that they look at a series of plans in a modem kind of way and come up with an optimized release .... We don't know that those are .... So much development along the river that hasn't been taken into account .... This is a Xerox of Corps transparency (Reviews Corps Regulation Plan Revisions chart) .... Update the damage curve .... only reason they keep the water at certain levels was to save the Water Plant .... Other things they promised... Updating damage curves .... Reassess the regulation plan, the schedule of release of water .... Public input and public hearing .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 30 They completed this study and we have looked at it in great detail ....They were some problems that we encountered. (Refers to Problems chart) .... Fact that in many studies... they actually only did two... simulations.. they turned off downstream flood control. So all the downstream people... too bad... guaranteed increased damage... threshold... nobody knows why they are set at the current settings now .... Questions is what are the best levels to put them at .... Doing only two simulations is insufficient .... These particular plans were flooding downstream people. We would like them to look at these options and other options .... optimized plan... better balanced between all the different groups .... We are extremely concerned by the fact that there were no p.h.s when this document came out... This particular document that they are proposing is the identical one that they were following to the letter on July 5 .... August 9-10 .... flashflood control .... majority of damages in '93 .... all occurred on July 5. Thomberry/How long land... floodplain.. before the dam was built... Is it still floodplain? Or is it reclassified once the dam was built? Newsom/I believe it is all pretty much still the floodplain. Thomberry/...Iowa and Cedar come together, aren't the farmers actually farming floodplain? Newsom/Absolutely, some of the richest land there is. Thornberry/Why would the Corps... have to buy that land if it floods? Newsom/I believe the federal law is if you can prove the flow is different from natural flows, then the Corps has to pay compensation above what would have occurred naturally ....Major problems occur when you try to compensate those things .... storms .... (Refers to overhead transparency- What Is Need Now?). To summarize.. the situation is unchanged .... no improvements in release plan .... I would like to see the Corp simply be informed by various concerned people who get flooded .... and to realize that the current study doesn't satisfy really the need to find a true optimum .... What I would like to see is a new optimized operating plan be put in place and kept up to date .... I think we have a unique opportunity... We have a brand new colonel... chief hydrologist .... do some very constructive work with them... get a plan that tries to be reasonably up to date and to take into account the current trends in construction and current trends in water flows .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 31 Atkins/Charles .... two minutes on a question .... One of the things I remember... recreation. It seemed like when we were making headway operationally with some of the issues .... that there are water levels that must be maintained for recreation. You didn't say anything about that in there .... Larry Molnar/I found it very interesting to see the Corps did address that a little bit in this report .... One point that was not well understood four years ago... whether we want to see the target levels in the lake reduced in order to improve flood control. We don't want to see the target levels reduced in order to improve flood control. There is little improvement you can get by doing that .... Because there is no impetus from our side or from any other side to change those target levels, that is not going to hurt recreation. On the other hand though, in the current report, they point out that every time the lake goes up to high levels .... they actually have to close the boat ramps. So letting the lake get to a very full level frequently, means that in those years, one out of five, recreation is damaged by not having an optimal plan. Kubby/So if they release the water differently, they could get back to the targeted level .... Molnar/Right .... when the lake goes up a little bit, boaters love it. When the lake goes up a lot, they can't use it. Newsom/Quite a number of outflow reduction... many many farmers .... Corps lets the lake fill up and then they have to flow the water at high levels for two months .... They request, sometimes, why don't you just let some of these floods go through .... just ignore the one foot floods .... then you have the extra capacity at the end of the season where you can cut it down during harvest period and save millions of dollars of damages. Virtually every wet year they fill the lake and are unable to do any downstream flood control during the harvest season and that is like two out of five years. Thornberry/I was under the impression that they try to keep it at a certain level... in case there are no rains .... Newsom/Actually it is quite low, 5-7% of the lake volume is their target. Molnar/And that level is chosen in case there is a drought .... If you go from 7% down to 3% you gain only a few percent towards flood control... Thomberry/I have had a boat out there for many years .... It is not even .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 32 Newsom/ .... because of the increase flow into the lake, the result was the lake was full all of the time .... It was just up because there was a lot of water coming in. Thomberry/It was also way down... Lehman/What is the level that they designate, the optimal level for recreation? Molnar/The levels aren't chosen explicitly for recreation. As the lake has silted in.. the levels do go up .... Recreation is not first priority. The current levels... in the spring, have it as low as possible in case of flood ....679. In the summer they raise it a bit in case of drought, 683. Lehman/ Molnar/That is 7%. Lehman/93% of the capacity is still there .... Molnar/When they first built it, 670 was the summer level .... had to come up because of the silting. Newsom/In the fall they raise it for the birds, nesting grounds... Molnar/Fall level is 686. Nov/Is there any other questions? Newsom/One final comment... I read Steve's letter... wonderful .... Kubby/If we could get that flashflood operations as a written document .... easy to say implement it .... Nov/Sometimes things happen .... Kubby/ Rick Fosse/They have a standard operating procedure in writing. Molnar/What they have in writing is simply at what level a phone call is made to Rock Island... threshold in each of the creeks .... What they don't have worked out... how they will respond to that .... good to work out a response in advance.. a table of This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 33 these things .... What disturbs me... in conclusions they say we are done, we don't intend to do anymore. I don't know what to make of it .... Norton/Didn't they also say they don't have a budget to do more? .... Newsom/They didn't request it .... The first test of the SOP.. occurred on... Clear Creek... they have a phone... they are required to call .... Council/(Thank you). Kubby/If after an appropriate period of time, if you haven't heard anything, follow up on it and not just wait for them to respond. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 34 WooIf Avenue Bridge Update 97-143 S1 Nov/Woolf Avenue Bridge Update. Fosse/Tomorrow night we will be setting the p.h. for the Woolf Avenue bridge and with that is the paving from Newton Road to Baird... Steve Jacobson from NNW, done the design on the project... Give you a preview of the project and some of the issues .... Lay it out on the table. Steve Jacobson/(Refers to project concept plan). Here is the concept plan of the project .... Here is the bridge right here. Federal funds include 60 feet on either end of it .... Existing roadway is 25 feet ....bridge... barrier rails... 28 feet ....Existing sidewalks... 8 foot sidewalks ....wider walks, high rail ....replacing sidewalks and we are adding a sidewalk on the south end of the bridge to Newton Road .... (refers to plan)... retaining walls .... A couple of good size trees that we are going to have to take out in order to build the retaining wall .... Norton/Steve, what will happen to that sidewalk when it gets down there? There is no sidewalk on Newton Road on that side for the first couple of blocks. Fosse/The primary use of that sidewalk is funneling football traffic .... I think they will probably be crossing the road at that point. The trees are a real issue for us because the property owner has some sentimental attachment. Atkins/Tell me what your thinking is on the investment of that sidewalk if it does go nowhere. Why should we do it?... You walk in the street or you cross over. Nov/ Norton/It is really a problem because you walk across this and then you are just stuck .... Fosse/We are working with this corridor now .... Atkins/Newton is the University's anyway. Fosse/We own a chunk of it .... (refers to map). Atkins/The roadway r.o.w. is owned and operated by the University. Fosse/University takes it- Kubby/And there is no way for these two trees, to build retaining walls around them? .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 35 Fosse/One of the options... pushing that walk out to the back of the curb and then putting the wall on the back side of that .... Atkins/We have Transit problems here. We are clipping that comer .... Thomberry/ Fosse/You can still keep that right angle by pushing things out a little bit ..... That used to be a Y shape there .... by virtue of an easement .... We are just laying out what we think long term is optimum for the area there. Norton/It would be nice to save those two trees. Kubby/What are they? What is the life span? .... If they have 40, 50, 80 years left in them .... Council/(All talking). Fosse/I think the best tree is the one right in the bend there .... I was hoping to have that information here tonight. I wasn't able to arrange that. We can sure look into that. Norton/If you could angle the street just a hair. Lehman/I would hate to see us angle the street, spend a lot of extra money and still lose the tree... Fosse/That is something we need to look at .... also property owner preferences .... property owner now has a very difficult snow removal obligation .... Nov/I think that egress is important there .....otherwise... no place to put the snow .... Lehman/There is no way to save the tree .... Council/(All talking). Kubby/If you can save it without huge expense and without interfering with other trees on the other side, if they have some longevity left in them .... Nov/It is also possible you can have a less sharp curve there and that might help the trees. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 36 Council/(All talking). Norton/What have the other property owners... said about the sidewalk on that side? .... Jacobson/They don't want to maintain it .... Norton/Join the rest of us. Council/(All talking). Nov/Can we consider replanting the trees that we take out? Fosse/Certainly. Nov/It is the least that we can do. Council/(All talking-refers to plans). Norton/ Jacobson/(Refers to plans). This bridge is a little different .... vertical clearance .... Got to get the vertical clearance .... lighten it up .... make it thinner .... voids in the concrete slab here to reduce the deck load .... To cut down the span length... incline the piers .... allowed to get 16 1/2 feet of clearance there .... Kubby/Any thought of doing any kind of concrete texturizing? .... Fosse/This indented panels are intended to break up that flat surface ....put the name in there... running the water main th'ough one of these voids .... Nov/Keep this up without rust on it. Fosse/Existing railing... these will be outer coat paint .... The end treatments of the bridge will be very similar to the Melrose Avenue bridge .... imprinted logo on it ....this railing is a little bit different. Lehman/When it comes to detouring, are we going to have any signage? ..... 18 wheeler .... any indication .... lousy detour. Jacobson/Yes, I believe we do have a sign on the other side of First Avenue .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 37 Norton/Looks cleaner .... Jacobson/ Kubby/Are these going to be smooth concrete pillars? Jacobson/Right. With some coloring .... rubbed end posts on Melrose .... Whole bridge will have the same texture. Lehman/ Nov/Is it going to have a little bit of color in it? Jacobson/Yes .... Norton/Does it have kind of a massive look? .... Nov/Most of the time a bridge that wide is massive .... Fosse/The mass was a concern of ours .... (refers to plan) .... What is different about this bridge, there are no beams under this deck. The deck carries the load .... This is one structural unit and that is you compress the bridge .... (refers to plan). Norton/Is it like any other bridge that we have seen? .... Fosse/For county bridges, that is often what is done .... Council/(All talking). Jacobson/ .... poured in place .... What we did with the piers .... drive these piles at those angles... case the pile and the pier is done, that is it and then we are going to pour the superstructure on top of that. That will make the process quicker .... Council/(All talking). CHANGE TAPE TO 97-143 SIDE 2 Fosse/The piling will be steel ..... Norton/When you get the piers in and you want to put the deck on .... forms?... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 38 Jacobson/They will put in some steel beams across there (refers to plans). DOT has agreed we can go back about 14 feet for clearance .... Fosse/Let's back up to trees for just a moment. I want to make sure I understand the direction. Evaluate the remaining life of the trees... evaluate what means we might have to keep the trees there without compromising the project significantly. Council/(All talking). Norton/Does that mean relocating the road slightly? Nov/If you can change the bend in the road, you can try it. But if you cannot- Council/(All talking). Norton/Do the best you can. Nov/If we cannot save the tree or two trees, please replace them with a similar variety. Fosse/Okay .... Nov/ Fosse/Those trees are in the r.o.w. A couple of them that are kind of on the line. Nov/If you replace it, you can put it on private property rather than city r.o.w. Fosse/If that will work out that close to the building. Nov/See what will work out. Fosse/Thank you. Nov/We are going to have pedestrian traffic during construction? Fosse/Yes .... working on .... the temporaw pedestrian bridge has a lot of value... may be able to use those to get across the Iowa River with the Iowa River Corridor Trail. We bought the ones from the contractor .... Melrose Avenue... two of those will go into the Iowa River Corridor Trail portion to be built next year... saving about $18,000 by doing that .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 39 Norton/On the north side here, can you keep that row of trees? .... Jacobson/Yes .... some of that sidewalk.. good shape .... Nov/Electrical stuff there? Jacobson/(Refers to plan). Fosse/Utility issues are significant on this project .... Norton/Once you have done this .... Jacobson/A total of six of them that will be clear through... water main... phone company .... power company .... VA .... It will all be inside the bridge .... 16". Council/(All talking). Norton/Always thought Rider Street is the worse set of posts .... awful .... Kubby/Sheridan Avenue... Curb comes down and flattens out .... Fosse/That is where the asphalt is going to go back in .... cost was not very much more .... is a bus route .... transition between asphalt and concrete .... worth the money to not have those transitions .... Lehman/Rick, you sure kept the people on Wylde Green happy ..... Council/(All talking). This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 40 Council Agenda/Council Time 97-143 S2 1. Kubby/Mike Finley who lives on First Avenue... upset .... strong language ....(HyVee) lighting. 2. Kubby/Because of the weather this fall ....hoping we can extend our leaf pickup later in the year .... Thornberry/ Atkins/ ....I will make a note of it and we will keep an eye on it .... 3. Kubby/I noticed P/R Commission .... looking at contracting out services. I would like us to get some information about that, what that means .... Nov/I assume that will come up in budget discussions. Kubby/ ....I would like to see the numbers .... Atkins/In response to fact that I told Terry I would like to see more mowing next year along Highway 6. Kubby/ ....Open Space Ordinance .... Atkins/I am sure we have the equipment .... Vanderhoef/ Atkins/I will find out. 4. Kubby/In same set of minutes there was a comment that some council members have been approached by Willa Dickens about city purchasing some land abutting Hickory Hill Park .... Atkins/I have a map of that. Kubby/Was anyone here approached by?- Vanderhoef/It was an offhand comment. Kubby/What size? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 41 Vanderhoef/(Can't hear) Atkins/I will get you the map, Karen .... Kubby/ Atkins/I will drag that map out for you. 5. Kubby/(Agenda Item #4g(1) Isaac Bums-skateboarding) I also got this letter from Isaac Bums, one of the people who has built the ramps and stuff out in the parking lot, suggesting that maybe we change the location of things. We just need to respond in some way. Nov/I would like to respond to say the ramps are your responsibility. I would like you to take some responsibility for getting them put away at night .... Sunday morning .... Kubby/That is not really their request in the letter. Nov/ Norton/They want to be under cover .... Kubby/I would like to hear from police officers .... Thomberry/ ....They are not that responsible .... Council/(All talking). Norton/Is it out of the question to reconsider it? Thomberry/ .... I am not ready to do that when they haven't shown the propensity to do what they are suppose to do. Kubby/ Nov/I think there has to be somebody to accept responsibility for this and so far, I am not sure who it is .... Kubby/Part of the impetus for moving that .... too big ....heavy .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 42 Nov/Even if they are heavy, they are taking up part of the parking spaces during the day .... Norton/Might be some alcoves .... trying to accommodate them, too. Council/(All talking). Nov/My concern about this is they are not putting away these pieces of equipment and they are not following the rules... hours .... I am not sure they are going to develop responsibility by moving .... My concern is they left it out all night .... Kubby/Maybe some communication- Norton/Well, who is going to meet with them? ..... Nov/I don't know. Norton/Somebody ought to be designated to talk to Bums. Kubby/I would be happy to do that .... remind them of their responsibility .... Nov/They ought to at least be pushed off to the side ..... Norton/ ....wheels .... Kubby/I will call Isaac... to say that we are not interested in another location at this time until we have seen they have taken the responsibility. Nov/A summer sport .... Norton/They will be over there in the middle of winter. 6. Kubby/City Manager gave us a list of police issues that we have said that we are going to talk about. I ask that that be scheduled. 7. Norton/Steve .... review the Water Project costs .... I would like to get a chance to look those figures over before we have the p.h. on November 11 .... I would like to have a feeling .... review those water project costs... pending list. Nov/We have a list of numbers .... I left a message for Don Yucuis to develop the numbers for our low income discount .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 43 Atkins/I will check that for you tomorrow. Norton/ ....where we have gone and how much we have grown or shrunk. 8. Norton/ .... in five minutes... 6-8 bikes on the sidewalks uptown... both sides .... I keep wondering whether we need auxiliary police .... a lot of places... people... unarmed.. pairs .... identifiable thing .... Atkins/I asked R.J. to look at it today .....police reserve .... Norton/ 9. Norton/Thinking about parking thing downtown .... University role therein .... met directly with Mary Sue or other significant people in the University .... Atkins/Read my update memo I am sending in the next day or so .... I met with Ann Rhodes... You will be getting an update in the next day or so. Norton/Would there be any virtue with a gang of us meeting with Ann and Mary Sue and others? Nov/Think about it after you read the update, okay. Lehman/I think .... at least once a year we should be sitting down with Mary Sue and Anne Rhodes .... informal whatever you got to tell us .... Kubby/ ....communicating frequently enough .... Lehman/We really should sit down .... Norton/ 10. Norton/I want to applaud the efforts of work on Channel 10 and Channel 4 ..... consolidation... keep it up ....wonderfrei possibility ..... 11. Vanderhoef/P/R had lots of things .... dust control at Napoleon Park .... that might be a place... try our shingle application into that parking lot. Atkins/I will check on that. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 44 12. Vanderhoef/Question about the parking places in front of the Senior Center .... five spaces .... Norton/Five will be for seniors. Vanderhoef/How are they labeled and how do they know who parks there? Kubby/Senior Center has an attendant that does the volunteer permitted ones .... Vanderhoef/Curious... senior permit? What the time limits were? Handicapped? Atkins/I will find out for you. Norton/ 13. Vanderhoef/Other thing that struck me in the (P/R) minutes was the comment... Don Yucuis.. met with Neighborhood Council... someone... Miller/Orchard area being short on park land ..... long history on that ..... Lehman/They tore that old house down today .... old brick house .... Council/(All talking). 14. Vanderhoef/How many spaces are we taking off of that comer of Jefferson and Johnson to put the shuttle bus? Norton/...45 feet? .... Kubby/They are not marked .... Council/(All talking). Norton/60 feet is what they are going to have back from the comer .... number of cars you can get in 45 feet. Atkins/Maybe three. 15. Thomberry/We have to be in the south part of Iowa City .... lot of people using the soccer fields .... Norton/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097 October 20, 1997 Council Work Session Page 45 16. Kubby/Next time you see Joe, congratulate him, he was second in his age group in the Hospice 5K. 17. Nov/I have a request from Linda Severson for two people to come to HSA hearings... second week in November .... The people who have done it for two years may do it again .... preference between Wednesday night and Thursday night... Council/ Nov/Once a week .... ten weeks of meetings ....Mid-November to January .... Council/ Nov/ ....Kubby ....Thomberry ....Thursday .... Meeting Adjourned: 10:00 PM. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 20, 1997. WS102097