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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1997-11-10 TranscriptionNovember 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 1 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session 7:00 PM Council: Nov, Baker, Kubby, Lehman, Norton, Thomberry, Vanderhoef. Staff: Atkins, Helling, Karr, Dilkes, Franklin, Miklo Tapes: 97-150, side 2; 97-151, all; 97-152, all. Review Zoning Matters 97-150 S2 a. Public heating on an ordinance amending the approved Sensitive Areas Development Plan for Walden Hills to allow the development of 120 dwelling units on Lot 53, containing 8.66 acres and located within the OSA-8, Sensitive Areas Overlay zone at the northwest comer of Rohret Road and Shannon Drive. (REZ97-0016) Franklin/The first is on an ordinance amending the Sensitive Areas Development Plan for Walden Hills on Lot 53. This is the project .... controversy at P/Z Commission ..... project has been revised and we think it is really a tremendous improvement from what was originally submitted. It still is for 120 dwelling units... in four buildings .... layout is just a whole lot better. P/Z Commission as well as staff has recommended approval of this .....I have got elevations of the site... building modifications .... Nov/What is the elevation? I am still concerned about the height of it. I want some reassurance that a three story building, that they have an elevator in each one .... Franklin/They will have to have an elevator in it. Yes, there is an elevator. Nov/Okay .... Franklin/This is the front elevation .... (Refers to elevations). On the end of the building, the side elevation, this elevation will be on the Rohret Road side ....This face tight here... back of the building .... Nov/Does the height of the building now fit the neighborhood? .... Franklin/With the way the buildings are arranged and the change in topography that you have on this site, we believe this will work with the neighborhood .... where the buildings will sit in relation to each other... and Shannon Drive (refers to plan). On this side of the street you are going to have some s.f. duplex/zero lots lines (refers to plan) .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 2 Nov/Where are air conditioning units on the modified version? Franklin/There hasn't been discussion of air conditioning units. Nov/...We need to find out. Franklin/Where the air conditioners are, okay. Norton/You might as well confirm the elevator thing .... Franklin/There are four elevators, there are four dining areas .... Nov/Did I read it correctly that it was going to be optional for meals? Franklin / Yes. Vanderhoef/ Franklin/This is independent living, 30 units in each building and meals are provided but it is optional. Norton/15 one and 15 two, is that the plan? .... Franklin/That is what the proposal is .... there may be changes in that. What we concerned ourselves here was the density, the design, how the traffic was going to circulate and the parking as opposed to operations. You may have some changes in the number of bedrooms. There may be fewer two bedrooms. Norton/...concern the parking requirements would change depending on what happens to the number of bedrooms. Franklin/That is correct. The concern that Dee is talking about is whether this would continue to be for elderly housing or could be for just market rental housing .... parking for elderly is less than the standard parking for apartments which is by bedroom. That with the number of units, there would have to be enough more parking that it would radically change this .... However, if the number of bedrooms diminishes, that means that there are fewer parking spaces that are required .... There would be more that would be required and we felt we could reevaluate that then if that was the case in terms of the zoning. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 3 Kubby/Wouldn't they need a zoning change? Franklin/Right. This is not being zoned now for 120 housing units for the elderly. It is 120 housing units. Norton/So it wouldn't necessary come back through P/Z or Board of Adjustment if it changed from a senior to a more general? Franklin/Not just on that factor. However, if the layout changes, it comes back. Kubby/...then if residences change, is there any land-banking for increased parking later with that change of use because it is being designed for elderly housing? ....There is no restriction on not changing the residency. Franklin/That is correct. They would have to come into compliance with the parking .... altering this plan which would mean you would have to come back through. Now I think you should look at it not as 120 units for the elderly but 120 dwelling units. It is very likely... that it would not be for the elderly ....It is what the low income housing tax credits will be based on. Vanderhoef/Is there an age requirement when they say the elderly? Franklin/Yeah, I think it is 55, it may be 60. That is not written into the zoning. What we are dealing with with the zoning is not who is going to live there but the number of units, the layout and the design .... Norton/P/Z discussed this twice .... You can't explicitly say seniors ...... Franklin/I think you should focus on it as 120 dwelling units and feel comfortable with it from that perspective. Nov/Will they build it without getting the low income housing tax credits for senior citizens? Franklin/I can't answer that ....nothing to say that he couldn't. Kubby/Are there any outdoor amenities besides the pond? .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 4 Franklin/All of the orange is walkways... landscaping plan .... (refers to map) .... It says gazebo with picnic table .... It is a huge improvement from the first draft. Lehman/Our concem is the way it is laid out and the number of buildings, density ..... Franklin/That is right. b. Public heating on a resolution approving the annexation of a 2.81 acre tract located southeast of the intersection of Iowa Highway 1 and Naples Avenue. (ANN97-0002) Franklin/P.h. on a resolution approving an annexation ..... two little tiny pieces of property over on Highway 1 near Naples .... Conditions which are attached to this... the rezoning which is the next item ....to CI-1, intensive commercial. Both Commission and Staff have recommended approval of this. The conditions are listed in the ordinance .... these are conditions which are typical of what we have imposed along entranceway to Iowa City along the Highway 1 corridor. We still have problems with the legal description. So the CZA is not signed. So at your p.h. tomorrow night, you should continue this. Nov/I have a question. At some point it says there has to be a solid fence screening... six feet tall .... 15 feet of landscaping along the fence. I would like to specify this as along the outside of the fence .... I want to be as specific as possible. Franklin/So when it says a planted landscape bed a minimum of 15 feet in width shall be located adjacent to- Nov/Along the outside of the fence. Instead of adjacent to-shall be located along the outside of the fence. Franklin/And along the outside is what people are going to know what that means? Nov/I hope because adjacent to me sounded like you could put it on either side. Franklin/I know what you want, Naomi. I will try to figure out if there is any other way to say it .... I lmow what you want. Norton/I would like to ask ....on the condition. You don't say anything about screening from Highway 218 .... Does the screening requirements apply to that or only for protecting it from Highway 1 ? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 5 Franklin/From Highway 1. Norton/You think they might want to do something on that side, too. On the 218 side. Franklin/I am just thinking. I think it sets down a little ....If you put screening on the 218 side, it wouldn't really do anything. Vanderhoef/Actually it is along the entrance to 218 south ..... Norton/I think it is not the same elevation. Franklin/Let me ask about that. We have focused on Highway 1 as an entrance. Norton/But 218 is an important road. You would want it to look nice. Franklin/Okay. Vanderhoef/Do we need to say anything about not expanding our Fringe Area because of new annexation? Franklin/It doesn't. We looked at that. Because of the configuration of the boundaries it doesn't make it go any further. Vanderhoef/If we need to note that, let's do that. c. Public hearing on an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance by changing the use regulations of a 2.81 acre tract, located southeast of the intersection of Iowa Highway 1 and Naples Avenue, from County CP-1, Planned Commercial, to CI-1, Intensive Commercial. (REZ97-0014) See Item b. d. Public hearing on an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance by changing the use regulations of a 0.87 acre tract, located on the east side of West Side Drive and south of Earl Road, from RM-12, Low Density Multi-Family Residential and CI-1, Intensive Commercial, to CO-l, Commercial Office. (REZ97-0004) Franklin/A p.h. on an ordinance to rezone property from RM-12 and CI-1 to CO-1 .... Westside Park and what is proposed is an insurance office and the conditions relate to the proximity... with residential just the north and across the street. That This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 6 is the building that is proposed .... question about the foot candle issue. That 1 1/2 foot candles at the property line is in the Zoning Code ..... it is redundant to have it in the CZA. It just calls it out more particularly as a concern. It is basically a requirement for glare when you have any commercial next to residential. Kubby/So because it is part of the CZA, can't we have it be 1 foot candle if we want it to be instead of 1 1/27 Franklin/You could. I think you would need to articulate why. Kubby/I just had experience with 1 1/2 foot candle... it impedes the enjoyment of my property with 1 1/2 foot candle .... It was 2 and now it is a little less than that. Thornberry/How did they change it from 2 to 1 1/27 Franklin/Put a shield on the fixture such that the light is not as diffused as it was and also in some instances, I think they had to put a different bulb in it. Kubby/It said down-cast. But maybe it should say down-cast and shielded. Franklin/I think you would want to hit that with your 1 foot candle as opposed to- The issue is how much of that light spills over onto the other properties .... Kubby/I always worry .... if you look over by the light, the bulbs are kind of at you because they are down-cast actually. I don't know... Norton/... has to do with not just the foot candles but the angle of the light ....to keep the light from being in the eyes of people who are well away from there. Franklin/When we talked about this .... we talked about havirtg this on as a work session item to look at that performance standard. We have got that on the list now to deal with this in a general fashion .... balancing out the safety versus the brightness. Kubby/I would be willing to not go with the shielding but would like to reduce it to 1 foot candle at lot line. Thornberry/I think 1 1/2 is what it has been and I don't see any problem with keeping it at 1 1/2 ..... Norton/Needs to be researched to find out how to keep from affecting the neighbors. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 7 Kubby/...HyVee .... read the paper in my backyard .... Vanderhoef/Until we look at it as a total, I am not interested in changing it ..... Kubby/So why did we find... HyVee... 1 foot candles? It was on the site plan .... Norton/It was 1 originally. Kubby/ ....make sure that it is not interfering with the home properties. Thornberry/What is the business? Franklin/Insurance company. Nov/ ....The lights in the parking lot are going to be lit. Thornberry/There won't be the whole parking lot lit up. Norton/ ....Hills Bank... on all night... 1 foot candle would be very suitable here. Council/(All talking). Vanderhoef/I have no background on this... with HyVee... how that came about .... Franklin/The concern was expressed to HyVee on the lighting and we talked about the height of the fixtures... foot candles... frankly don't recall exactly what information was given to whom. But the result .... agreement... certain height of fixture with that foot candle power at the property line .....It is more lighting than one would normally find in a residential area. Lehman/I am far more concerned with the level of lighting once you get away from the property line .... function of height of lights ..... Vanderhoef/ Norton/ Thomberry/ .... I don't really want to get into micro-management of foot candles .... looking in difference in light foot candles per parking lot. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 8 Nov/Fewer foot candles at the Toyota one than the other .... you see less light. Thornberry/ Kubby/If people are not interested in reducing the foot candles, are you interested in saying that the down-cast lighting must be shielded? Lehman/I have no problem with that. _ Norton/Let's do the shielding then. Lehman/I have no problem with shielding. Franklin/What have you decided then? All outdoor lighting shall be down-cast and shielded? Vanderhoef/I would rather go with foot candles than shielding because shielding is just one more expense .... Franklin/How many people are for one foot candle? We have got enough. We got one foot here. Council/(All talking). e. The Comprehensive Plan, including the South District Plan. (1) Public Hearing (continued from October 21). (2) Consider a Resolution Adopting. Franklin/P.h. on the Comprehensive Plan. I don't think we need to have any discussion of that tonight unless you want to. We will have the next discussion on the 19th. Norton/That will continued then, the hearing? Franklin/Yes it will be. The p.h. on the Westside Park, we may have to continue that because we will have to amend the CZA that has been signed and have it re- signed. I am not sure that can be done by tomorrow night. Norton/I am still not quite clear. You are continuing the heating, so we won't be considering that resolution then on the Comp Plan? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 9 Franklin/That is correct. Karr/There is no resolution on the Comp Plan. You didn't get one. Nov/So we are going to continue the p.h. Council/(All talking). Norton/It is on the agenda here. Franklin/You will be continuing it tomorrow night and presumably you will be continuing it on the 18th also because you have a work session on the 19th. Nov/I was still on item d. Franklin/So are we on item f.? Nov/Go ahead. f. Consider a resolution approving the preliminary and final plat Resubdivision of Lot 1 and a portion of Lot 2, West Side Park, a 2.5 acre, three lot commercial subdivision located at the intersection of West Side Drive and Mormon Trek Boulevard. (SUB97- 0023) Franklin/This is a resolution approving a preliminary and final plat of re-subdivision of Lot 1 and a portion of Lot 2 in Westside Park ....same neighborhood, south of there. To divide this into three lots. The issue ....was the issue of access to this site. Nov/If we do not close the p.h., can we approve the plat? Franklin/Yes, these are not connected. That was for rezoning north of here. This site plan is just to give you an idea of the discussion... what is being considered for these three lots. The issue was how close this access point would be to the intersection of Westside Drive and Mormon Trek. The resolution has been for the developer to put in a deceleration lane at the intersection right here and this was moved 25 feet north of where it was originally proposed. And we find this to be an acceptable solution to the whole issue. What we were concerned about was people coming This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 10 into this area which would be a gas station and at peak periods, congestion and backing up into the intersection onto Mormon Trek .... Nov/Will there be car access then to the one on the right? Franklin/Yes. (Refers to map) .....The proposal is for a gas station, hamburger stand and a car wash. Vanderhoef/ .... broad view of this. This is the one piece of Mormon Trek that has not been made into four lanes at this point. What does that look like ....if we were allowing for that possibility in the future? Franklin/I think... we have got enough r.o.w. there to do it if we ever wanted to. Vanderhoef/What concerns me on the traffic pattem .... recognize how much traffic is coming from the other direction ..... how much traffic this commercial thing will create .... It's going to stop traffic for left tums... Franklin/(Refers to map). Vanderhoef/Concerns me that we have got backup going that way and then you have got the deceleration land for a little more stacking going westbound. I can see a real congestion situation here. Kubby/ ....speed up there, too .... Vanderhoef/I would like to know what r.o.w. we have fight now for that part? Franklin/I think we have enough for that and that could also evolve from the two-lane to a three land with a center turn lane, short of a four-lane. Vanderhoef/This is an impact. This development is going to create a large impact on Mormon Trek and how we handle that .... get ahead of the game .... Norton/ Vanderhoef/How are we going to do this? Franklin/The first option... left turn lane... second option would be four-lane ....I will check to make sure that we have enough r.o.w. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 11 Norton/I am not quite sure how the left tums are made for people going south now? .... Franklin/ Vanderhoef/ Franklin/(Refers to map). The decel- lane is here. Then traffic as it is coming off the intersection is slowing down to make the turn. Rather than slowing down the flow of traffic, it gets up into the decel- lane and moves into there. Left turning traffic is going to stop the eastbound traffic. That happens ....The question is how serious is it? .... Norton/ Vanderhoef/ Franklin/I think we monitor it, we see how it behaves and if we have a capacity constraint, we have the r.o.w. to go to four lanes and we have the will to do it, we build it. Nov/I think a left turn lane is a little bit easier to handle ..... Council/(All talking). Norton/I think that getting that turn lane in would be the easiest and quickest and maybe ought to be done more promptly. Franklin/Are you saying that is something we ought to include in our capital projects? Kubby/I am not ready to declare that tonight .... Nov/After this is constructed, look at the traffic flow and see if it is needed. Franklin/Okay, that sounds fair enough. g. Consider a letter to the Johnson County Board of Supervisors recommended approval of an application to rezone approximately 23 acres located at the southwest comer of Dane Road and Osage Street from Rural (A1) to Suburban Residential (RS-5). (CZ9746) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 12 Franklin/The last item .... rezoning in the county .... Do you all know where this is on Osage and Dane Road? This is Fringe Area C where... RS-5, one dwelling unit per five acres... You can do that if you put 80% of the property of the property into open space. Kubby/In Scott's letter to P/Z is says presumably to be retained for open space or agriculture and that word presumably- Franklin/Well, we have to go through the platting of it. Fringe agreement indicates we will do a concept plan during the rezoning and you are obligated if you own property and it gets rezoned to RS-5 in this area to have that. You have to do that. Kubby/So we presume that that will end up being the 80%? Franklin/Yes. The difference is the exact configuration of the subdivision and we are continuing to have discussions all the time about what is cluster subdivision ....We suggested that they truly try to get more of a cluster concept in there. What this does is it has a single means of access off of Dane Road. This is an outlot which will have to be designated in the plat as to what exactly the use is .... then the three lots with access off the little bulb street that comes off of Dane Road. So we have one access point as opposed to three. Vanderhoef/Was there any consideration of putting that one access point off of Osage instead of off of-? Franklin/Yes. Osage is a rock road ....could go either way. Off of Dane Road it is at least oiled .... Vanderhoef/Looks like, in some future time, they are going to want to add the rest in ..... Franklin/The rest of what in? Vanderhoef/Off that circle, off the cul de sac. Franklin/You can't unless the Fringe Agreement changes, unless the County Zoning Ordinance changes .... conceivably a few hundred years from now that could happen. Norton/I thought our letter ....softly worded .....urging them to stick to one access on Osage .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 13 Franklin/Understand that this is not the plat and you review the plat and you sign the plat or not. Kubby/So if it doesn't have 80% green space, then we don't have to approve it. Franklin/You should not approve it .... as well as the access .... Norton/...delicate but firm .... Franklin/Okay? I am done. Nov/Thank you. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 14 Airport North Commercial Area/Public Works Facility 97-150 S2 Nov/Airport area is next. Bring a lot of pictures? Council/(All talking). Atkins/I wanted to take 30 seconds here to give you some bad news .... financial projections .... Last year our rollback factor was 58.8. State dropped it to 54.9. We lost $20 million worth of value .... 54.9 for residential. They also rollbacked commercial from 100 to 97.3 and they have rollbacked railroads from 100 to 97.3. They also rollbacked agricultural ....that doesn't mean much to us. Not a good day when we are calculating things ....$20 million is lost value is about $200,000 a year in General Fund revenue. Kubby/ Atkins/You have a handout: Iowa City Industrial Air Park-Department of Public Works Facilities. What I have for you this evening... presentation... Iowa City Industrial Airpark .... promotional brochure that was prepared by the Airport Commission as well a the Department of Public Works Facilities, combining these activities into one policy proposal for you. The goals were mine, I made those up. I was trying to articulate sort of why we are going to be doing what we are going to be doing. Implement the Airport Master Plan. Make airport self supporting financially. Secure a location for new Public Works facilities. Create community development/economic opportunities .... The second one is... Who are the players here?... Folks I have identified are very obvious. I added the school district because they have property immediately adjacent to the site in question and also expressed some interest in changes in their facilities. As a I present this... 15-20 minutes... consider this thing comprehensively... all the pieces fit together .... it is an estimate .... Many many variables .... timing of development... speed... value of properties... also we choose to market this particular project. Options selected in design .... stormwater retention being one .... In the case of the airport, the restrictions and the covenants that are applied to the property. I have also identified for you the five elements... major policy issues. I think they are pretty straight forward. 1. Development of the industrial air park. We call that that north commercial industrial area. 2. Our need to locate new Public Works facilities. 3. Development of the south site... 4. Disposition and redevelopment of This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WS111097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 15 the current or the Riverside Drive Public Works site and 5. Disposition of a property called out Water Distribution Building over on Gilbert and Court .... Handout #2 Development of the Airpark (North Commercial/Industrial Area) .... made a list of the major issues which is what we need to do. With respect to preparing a proposal, it involves a site plan .... lot lay out .... stormwater .... access points .... variety of other land use decisions. You will also need to consider the schedule. Timing of construction, infrastructure, phasing of the project if necessary. A Zoning plan ..... Marketing, management and finance .... I don't have answers to all of those things... We do have for you a proposal. Handout: Proposed Layout/Site Plan for North Commercial Industrial Area. If you look at this, idea here is to give us a working document... plan.. on approximately 50 acres at north end of Airport ....how we might accommodate a commercial industrial park .... CHANGE TAPE TO 97-151 SIDE 1 Atkins/That identifies 27 lots with 48 plus developable acres. Lot 27... Public Works site... idea of how a large user might fit on that site. We have incorporated the stormwater into the planning process. You also should be aware that that particular parcel of ground could be further subdivided into 6-10 smaller lots .... depending upon the direction you wish to establish for your industrial park ....This layout has access points on Riverside Drive and Highway 6 .... There is some flexibility. We have identified Lot 18 as a proposed Science Center of 8 acres .... Preliminary engineering indicates that throughout the site some fill will be required as well as grading .... a layout that satisfactorily subdivides the land and is in keeping with the Airport's Master Plan. We have other site locations or access points locations .... This is intended to be a working document. As far as the schedule is concerned, I can't answer that now... appears to be interest in proceeding sooner than later .... Public Works Department, they do need to begin planning... Zoning, we considered a variety of zoning...proposing... CI- 1 .... I will read the definition. To provide areas of for sales, service, functions in business whose operations are typically characterized by outdoor displays, storage, sale of merchandise, prepare of motor vehicles ..... Examples of permitted uses: auto and truck, building contractor, equipment rental... offices use in CO-1 zone .... wholesale trade and warehouse establishments. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 16 The issues of marketing and management for this proposal are yet to be decided... suggested that they can be done by some sort of a contractual relationship and substantially under the direction of the Airport Commission and City Council. One of our early needs... development an agreement between the Airport Commission and the City Council. Finance. We estimate... engineering costs to design this particular project is approximately $100,000 .... estimate that the road .... and cul de sacs... 4,000 feet of paving... site grading... sanitary sewer, storm sewer, water main and paving... $1.4 million... approximate $29,000 development cost per acre. It is my suggestion to you that upon reaching an agreement between the Commission and City Council and determining speed... the city would front the cost of development and the agreement...identify payback through lot leases and related financial instruments the cost of that investment. I have not done detailed calculations ....There are a number of other financial issues ....marketing strategy and plan ....management strategy and plan for a fee could also occur .... We have estimated that at build out this project should be able to generate in the neighborhood of $200,000 to $500,000 a year in annual income. That is assuming rental, not sales .... Airport Commission didn't want to or couldn't sell it. There are other policies issues... This is public land. Will there be an obligation for the payment of property taxes on those lands from the people that might develop it? Why I say that is that we would be in competition with other CI-1 zoned properties in the city. I think we have to consider a level playing field. How you want to approach that, I just don't know yet. I want you to be aware that needs to be on the table. Nov/Wouldn't that be part of the rent? Atkins/My point is that if there were no property taxes, you can offer better rents than the other guy down the street with CI-1. Lehman/ Atkins/Understand a good bit of the presentation is identifying issues for you to begin thinking about .... working document .... Now I want to move onto the next issue, next policy. That is location and construction of new Public Works facilities. We willbe proposing to you, following an analysis of the north site and the south site- We will be proposing to This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 17 you that the south site is preferred .... Riverside Drive location .... cost to construct on the old landfill, the need to remove the garbage on a scale that we just simply cannot do .... facilities at Public Works are failing apart. The needs of the south site... site plan .... any other use, to make it marketable, you must prepare the site. It is .... four feet below the floodplain. There is not now sewer available. We have estimated that to make the site developable without a water feature .... it is about $600,000. If we are allowed to develop a water feature on the site, it is approximately $300,000... substantial savings .... The site plan that you are looking at is a preliminary layout of a Public Works yard located on that property. Thomberry/On the $600,000, that is to prepare the south site for anything? Atkins/Anything .... you got to put four feet of fill on it. Thomberry/You said $300,000- Atkins/If we can dig a pond and use the dirt from the pond- Simply dig the hole and put it somewhere else. The plan that you are looking at proposes that. There are other features of this plan... we wish to recommend that particular site. Eventually a runway- There is already a large body of water existing and we understand the issue of water and airports. If you look at the plan, the DPW drive has been located in a position that would allow it to ultimately, when that runway is closed, brought through, loop around and come up and pick up the rest of the proposed general concept of the Master Plan. Nov/On this plan, is this road Riverside or DPW? Norton/This is 9/21 here (refers to map). Atkins/That is DPW Road .... Lehman/How close is this to the existing pond down there? Norton/Show where the National Guard Armory is exactly. Nov/There is a water feature on this picture, right? Council/(All talking-looking at plan). Atkins/(Refers to plan map). This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 18 Norton/You did not give us a comparable land preparation cost on the northside. Atkins/We can show you that. (Refers to map). Nov/ Atkins/Forget north for the time being, we are still on the south. Okay .... That is the preliminary plan for a new Public Works facility, accommodating all of our interests .... also incorporated a Police storage building .... ability to put the school district maintenance properties in there... They are aware that their property sitting on edge of north industrial commercial may have a great deal of commercial value as opposed to their institutional use. Kubby/What about household hazardous waste facility? Atkins/It is on there also. It is there. Nov/When you are talking about...development... $600,000 or $300,000. Does that include water line, sewer line, pavement, etc.? Atkins/No, just dirt. This project will certainly have to be phased. A total Public Works complex is about a $5 million investment .... Norton/ Atkins/Bottom line is you either bring the dirt in... or you dig a hole... Mascari/The water retention area that you are proposing there, is that going to be a dry area like the soccer fields? Atkins/No, that will be wet .... Remember, no matter what you do, if the ABC company wants to build there, they are going to either have to bring the dirt in or they are going to have to dig a pond .... Vanderhoef/...DPW Road .... Atkins/If you take the Master Plan .... where the Willow Creek sanitary sewer is (refers to map) .... Remember you have that land available for development and the idea is you would have a main access road to get you in there .... What we tried to do... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 19 meet the Public Works needs, meet the Airport Master Plan needs, create economic .... Now, Policy #3 is the issue associated with the current Riverside Drive site. I think everybody is very familiar with it .... We have done a lot of work... environmental analysis, traffic counts, appraisals... Transit building would stay... We have about 7 acres for perspective development. The size of the parcels created and the type and scale of development will have a great deal of bearing on how fast that can develop .... Some preliminary work... if you do it on smaller scale, smaller uses... make it economical .... Lehman/Bus facility is on piling... How really marketable is that property?... realistically, doesn't that entire area have to be excavated for it to be of any real value. Atkins/...depends on the scale of the project .... Lehman/I am just saying, who is going to buy that? Atkins/We believe that it is marketable. Now who is going to buy it, I don't know .... We will tell them .... It is city property .... Thornberry/I thought Airport had some property on the other side of Riverside Drive. Atkins/Why I raise this issue is we are going to abandon the site eventually and if you are willing to make this kind of investment ....I believe there is going to be some value created on that site. I do not know ....I just don't know. But the location of transit and all of it's related interests will remain. We cannot get access to Highway 6 .... Then the question is: What is the level of city investment to make it marketable and I don't know the answer to these things for you. We do know that we can't build there in the scale that we need. We have got to move out .... something is going to happen with that property and the neighborhood is going to change .... I do believe it is going to have positive economic value on that. There are certain thing we do know. We have completed the environmental analysis. We know the utilities are immediately available... Highway 6 East is 30,000 a day .... the surrounding uses .... appears to be something that... prosperity... not substantially affected by the floodplain .... Final policy question: In order to accomplish our goal of incorporating all of our Public Works buildings under one site, as well as generating income to help pay for it... Gilbert Court we own a building, the old bus barn... Water Distribution This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 20 site for us....building of about 3/4 acre, 100 feet of frontage, 400 feet deep, ugly blue... It is where we inventory all of our water distribution materials...pipes, valves, the big stuff. We have had that site appraised... $330,000 .... that needs to be updated. We have interest from the property owners all around us about purchasing it .... We might as well move that site out... number of folks interested in purchasing the thing. That is lots to think about. That is five major policy issues. We are prepared to indicate to you that if it meets with your general approval, that we have to create some sort of a project team .... I can give you some recommendations on that to begin framing the issues, developing contracts, developing the relationship between the Airport and the Commission and the City Council .... If you are to say yes to us about the general concept of what we have just presented to you, this is the list of the things I think we have to do to move this project along. (Handout # 3: Decisions.) Engineering work on the north site. Engineering on the south... Airport Commission needs to head off to FAA right away and talk to them about what we are thinking about doing .... need to set up an internal project team which will develop plans, policy issues, etc ....need to develop a...outline of an agreement to bring back to Commission and Council .... land covenants... zoning... site plan needs to be refined .... update appraisal on Gilbert Court... economic development/engineering advice on Riverside Drive... more detailed financial analysis. I am done. Lehman/Steve, the Airport Commission, have they seen this? Atkins/No. Lehman/ Atkins/...collaborative effort by a whole lots of staff people ....divided this work up .... Norton/Do you think...engineering works on north side and south side... so you will have a more rational basis for comparing those sites? Atkins/Yes... I really think we have done a pretty good job of nailing done a lot of engineering cost on that north side ....We show the Public Works property there .... south appears to be preferred .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 21 Kubby/Couldn't it make a difference in terms of which site.. is better for another commercial entity .... having more visual view from the road .... Maybe that would be a more valuable site on the south side .... Atkins/It may be for the drive by traffic .... Our thinking is if you look at this project... do our best to kind of screen those maintenance kinds of activities in anticipation of that road going through .... secondly, the CI-1 zoning and any of the uses identified, I think fit on that north side as well ....On the north site there really isn't the exposure that you are talking about ....It is very clearly closed in... We did locate... behind the Wardway... along them to move into some of that property (refers to map). Kubby/What happens to out south growth area when we put in sewer there? .... Franklin/Part of the plan that we are working on right now takes into consideration the fact that the Willow Creek Interceptor is going to be coming through there .... Kubby/ Franklin/The timing of this is such that all of this work that has been going on in Urban Planning, they are aware of this... Whatever decisions that you make regarding the... Public Works site and commercial areas, we will just fold those into that south central district. Kubby/This is $1.4 million of the upper part above and beyond the Airport Master Plan ....we are challenged with the needs in the community. How does that fit into all-? Atkins/That is why we identified those goals and trying to fit it all together into one comprehensive policy. I would suspect that the north commercial area.. clearly would have to be phased... get first tier of lots in. Is there is a risk involved in this policy? Absolutely. Nov/How much of this can be done before the runways are closed or amended in some way? Atkins/I would suspect that offof Ruppert Road (refers to map), there is a good piece of that that could be done .... We are moving from west to east because of the acquisition of those folk's properties along Riverside Drive will take some time. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 22 Kubby/I know there has always been plans to do some commercial. But once the decision was made to keep the Airport site where it is, it seems like encroachment from two directions... I just have to get use to the idea. Atkins/We made the assumption that the Airport decision is behind us and that the Airport Master Plan... get it implemented. Thornberry/Given that Public Works is located on the south plan .... you are talking about the costs associated with doing this PW Drive ..... Wouldn't it be an alternative for a private contractor to put in the road and the infrastructure .... do it up front with the opportunity of return... getting his money back from the lease of the lots? Atkins/It certainly can be done but them I encourage you to move even more quickly if that is your policy position because that developer is not going to turn the first spade of earth unless ..... how do I get my money back... speed of which this thing develops .... We are in a better position to manage that and have it develop at a speed that we wanted it to develop it ....We were anxious to get the Airport self- supporting .... Kubby/In your scenario, would the Airport Commission and City still own the land? Thomberry/Yes. Kubby/How would that private developer make their money? Thomberry/With their long terms leases with the Airport Commission. Kubby/ Atkins/My concern... that adds another layer. The Airport Commission, we are going to make them self-supporting .... We are not in the business of making a profit but a private developer has to make money. I am saying we cut the middle man out. Kubby/ ....doesn't that increase the cost of the land? Thornberry/ ....refer that to Rick Mascari. Mascari/First of all you mentioned that the annual income be between $200,000- 500,000? Would that be going into the Airport Commission's fund? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 23 Atkins/My understanding was the land was purchased for the purpose of an airport .... And that those moneys .... then are intended to make the Airport self-supporting .... Mascari/Is the Airport Commission going to be charged for all of these improvements? Atkins/Absolutely. Mascari/So wouldn't the Airport Commission get the $2-500,000? Atkins/That is what I said, Rick. What you have to do is pay back with interest .... And if you put these buildings on the property tax roll ....might work to our advantage, tOO. Thornberry/ Kubby/Having a private developer lease the land from the Airport Commission, then lease it to individual entities. The private developer needs to make money, the Airport Commission needs to make money, won't that increase the cost and be a disadvantage in the market? Mascari/I think the amount that the Airport Commission would ultimately get would probably be less .... Atkins/Rick, of course you are going to have to pay that back... developer is not going to do it for free. Mascari/ Atkins/Your income would change... private business .... build a restaurant... land and certain improvements they are going to have to pay somebody for .... Nov/ Atkins/It will be figured into the lease for you. Folks, you are down to such detail now you are going to wear ourselves out. Council/(All talking). Howard Horan/ .... If, in fact, we are priced out of the market, then things aren't going to happen at the time that we want....price of the land is part of that equation. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 24 Thornberry/But the developer is still going to have the up front money out for roads, sewer, water etc ..... Atkins/He is going to want to be paid ..... I am saying cut it out, we will do it. Thornberry/ ....the private developer- Atkins/The private developer is going to build restaurants and warehouses .... We are not. Thornberry/...What is going to happen probably is the developer is going to build the road and put in the infrastructure and have an option on the land... He would go out and get the best leases he can for each individual property ..... Atkins/So would we. We would get the best leases we possibly can in accordance with the policy the Commission and the Council- Thomberry/ Atkins/We are the property owner. Thornberry/City owns the property. Pat Foster/City of Iowa City owns the Airport. Atkins/The City Council is the responsible party for the ownership of the Airport. They make the decision concerning the disposition of that land. You have created an Airport Commission to oversee that disposition and I am suggesting to you... they have 50 acres of land available for development ..... Master Plan... With that 50 acres .... make yourself self-supporting ..... land.. developed... create income. That income accrues to the Airport and the Airport will be given a bill for $1.4 million for that road and they got to pay it back. Thornberry/We don't have to give them a bill... go to a developer and say the road needs to go in... may not cost them $1.4 million. Atkins/The developer is going to want to be paid for his investment .... Kubby/ .... maybe what we need is kind of a position paper about the pros and cons of private versus public for this particular site for the Airport .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 25 Nov/Do we warn to delegate this to a team of some sort? Atkins/Folks, didn't we just form a private public partnership for an industrial park? .... Thomberry/If we took this land from this point (refers to map) and say the citizens of Iowa City .... say we don't want it anymore. Could we sell it? Atkins/You could sell the whole 50 acres. You could lease the whole 50 acres ..... Thomberry/The City of Iowa City property... could sell .... Nov/I think they would need FAA permission .... Council./(All talking). Norton/Different ways of financing the project. The question is which way do we want to go?... Where does Public Works fit? Is this the best one? From what point of view is the north side better for Public Works? ..... Lehman/I think we are a long ways from that...two things. I would like first comments from Airport Commission, your reaction to this .... joint venture ..... However we do this, we have got to be sensitive to fact we have got industrial land on east side of town .... subsidizing .... I would like to see these things worked out .... I think we need to answer a couple of questions .... Council/(All talking). Thomberry/This is one thing that privatization could do a wonderful job. The city wouldn't really need to get involved with .... Lebanan/ Horan/Steve, may I ask why you disagree with that item? I am not quite sure I understand your logic. Atkins/We have the ability to from the costs. We can raise the capital cheaper than the private sector .... have the ability to control the development .... If you choose to go to a private development, I would strongly urge the two- This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 26 CHANGE TAPE TO 97-151 SIDE 2 Atkins/This is what we want, this is the kind of development, this is when we want it. You have to decide those things. I am saying that if we are running it as a City Council/Airport Commission you have far greater flexibility to make those decisions as you move along .... I just happen to believe that you .... have intimate knowledge of that land and the project and the goals .... and you are disposing of public property and it should be done under the very very strictest of conditions. That is why I feel that we... should be doing this. Nov/We did not mention... the fact that we set aside a number of acres for the Science Center which will not bring in income .... Atkins/Not necessarily. Nov/So how do you fit this in? Atkins/If you remember what I said about site plan, the term commitments. I think it is legitimate for you to say that we will hold that parcel of land for a period of to time ..... Mascari/We are under FAA regulations that we have to charge fair market value for every acre of that land ....Science Center... has to pay same amount as anybody else .... Nov/So they are going to pay rent for the land and they are going to construct a building .... Kubby/We have done that before .... Atkins/We just wanted to reserve eight acres .... Vanderhoef/Your scenario of coming from the west to the east end would put the Science Center a few years down the road. Norton/Depends how fast they move 17/35 .... Atkins/Remember, if the Public Works building is not built, you come down Ruppert and you make a turn and you have got a ten acre parcel... you carve it up into five or six .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 27 Thomberry/ Atkins/Why pay the private developer? You don't have to pay the profit of the private developer. You can do this. Thornberry/ .... wouldn't really have to really worry about the city doing it .... Atkins/ ....It seemed fine for Scott Six for us to put up lots of money .... Thomberry/A developer was not able, willing and in hand to do Scott .... There might be for this project. Atkins/...put together a detailed policy .... Nov/How about if we form a committee? ..... Can we put a committee together? Kubby/ Atkins/I think the framework of the agreement between the Council and Airport Commission is the single most important issue right now. Thomberry/Why don't we wait until we hear back from the Commission regarding?- Atkins/I would like them to take the map back and fool around with it... After that is done, I really think the two partie? have got to have a little sit down ....I will develop an agenda of issues... help frame the issues for you. Thomberry/Maybe we would want more of an impartial- Atkins/...Dean, that stung .... Thomberry/ Nov/Can we delegate this? .... Atkins/ ....If you are not going to pursue the issue of a Public Works building on that site, then say no to me and we will go look somewhere else. It just seemed to be a natural way to make these things all come together. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 28 Norton/What we need is a hierarchy for decisions .... What is the first decision that has to be made? .... Atkins/Do as that list says .... Horan/Is there anyway we can get some of that fill dirt from another city owned property? Atkins/We shopped for fill dirt as one of our issues ....talked to Coral Ridge Mall... trucking is the thing. Council (All talking). Atkins/So you understand the volume of dirt, Chuck estimates we would need 81,000 cubic yards of fill .... 6,765 truck loads .... Nov/ ....sand pit south of town .... Norton/Isn't it true... at some point if that south site is to be developed at all for any purpose, some of that fill- Atkins/You have to fill the site to sell it or lease it or whatever you are going to do ....If you put a use on it and the use requires a road ..... Council/(All talking). Thomberry/ ....dirt on other side of the dam .... Kubby/All right, we are agreed on this team approach? Nov/I am hoping we are agreed on it. I haven't heard anybody answer me .... Let's have a memo in the Friday packet proposing members of a team. Kubby/ Horan/Just to give you a parameter about where the Science Center would be .... we would kind of want it at the water's edge, at the air side .... [Council Break 8:50 -9:00 PM] This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 29 Bows and Arrows 97-151 S2 Nov/Eleanor .... Mitchell/Based upon comments that you had... revised the Bow and Arrow Ordinance. Hopefully it addresses all of your concerns now. Nov/So it will mean that Boy Scouts... archery practice are going to be legal? Mitchell/Right... You can do bow and arrow practice... at stationary target. You can't go out hunting in Hickory Hill Park. Lehman/Why do we allow cross-bows? Mitchell/I know under state law there is a provision for people that can't actually use a bow. That they can use a cross bow. Council/(All talking). Lehman/Why don't you take the word stationary out and add target? Mitchell/Okay. Thomberry/The provision is for safety and for killing ....What difference does a moving or stationary target make? Nov/It makes a difference to me. I want stationary target. Norton/Maybe it is not a big deal. Thomberry/When you are practicing in your backyard, you are practicing to go out hunting. The deer is not always standing still when you do go out and hunt .... You might want a moving target .... Nov/This is not for hunters .... It is not hunting .... Norton/ ....moving targets are perfectly plausible .... Mitchell/Do you want to use the word inanimate target and get rid of stationary? Norton/I love it, inanimate target. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 30 Council/(All talking). Kubby/Your inanimate target can still be moving and still have that safety problem. Thornberry/If it's not a safety problem... what difference does it make? ..... Kubby/ Norton/ Kubby/ Thornberry/ Norton/Maybe they don't have moving targets for bow and arrow practice. Thomberry/They do have. Kubby/How many people are for keeping it the way it is? Thornberry/ Mitchell/Let's take a quick count here. Do we have four votes for stationary? No. We will eliminate stationary. I am not sure if inanimate is a good word .... Lehman/Just call it a target and take the word stationary out. Norton/ ....got to be an inanimate target. Dilkes/I think you need to say something that means it can't be alive. Mitchell/We will take out stationary and insert inanimate ....I do think it is important to go ahead and have first consideration .... Council/(All talking). This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 31 Captain Irish Parkway/First Avenue - Update 9%151 S2 Atkins/On your agenda for tomorrow you have a couple of projects that relate to First Avenue .... We .... staff.... got together to review the initiative and in particular we reviewed the resolution you adopted. That is the resolution that you adopted placing the matter on the ballot. There was clearly early confusion over the language and we have relied, on what we are about to propose to you, on the language in the resolution. The reason we did this exercise is we wanted to make sure we fulfill our obligations that were created by this initiative vote .... Here is our understanding/proposal. 1-That the resolution and the adoption of the initiative requires a delay in First Avenue as a capital project. First Avenue is described as follows: From its terminus Captain Irish~Parkway south to the north property line of the First and Rochester Subdivision. 2-The delay is a prohibition on construction of First Avenue until the FY2002. That prohibition is the road, not the water line and its related needs. I would note that under our Charter this delay by its initiative is a two year obligation. After two years you have the ability to reconsider that, then sitting council. First Avenue will be listed in the CIP for the year 02 and at some time after the two year time frame, the council will decide to fund it or not to fund it. Norton/They can also at that point move it up ahead of 2000? Atkins/They can do as they see fit. Eleanor will have to give you that Charter language. 3-We are planning to proceed as follows. This is important for Chuck to show you on the map. This is the same list. 1-Construct a 12 inch water line from Dodge Street to the terminus of First Avenue. This water line will loop the system in the area and provide for improved water pressure and fire flows north of that. 2- Construct a 24 inch water line from Dodge Street to the Rochester tank .... That is intended to be the feeder line from the new Water Treatment Plant. Nov/Can you put the two lines in the same trench? Atkins/No, you don't. One is on one side of the road, one is on the other side of the road .... 3-We will construct the geometric changes and install the signal and Dodge and the Parkway intersection. 4-We will grade for streets from Dodge to the south ACT property line .... 5-Construct Captain Irish Parkway to a point east just beyond the proposed ACT driveway. 6-Conclude the agreements with ACT concerning the driveway access, location of the proposed First Avenue Extended .... 7-Initiate a planning process which is substantially in accordance with the memo from Planning Director dated 11/6...Northeast Planning .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 32 Norton/We asked why you took the grading on down ..... Atkins/I think I will have Chuck explain the water line and that grading all fit together. Schmadeke/In order for the cut and fill amount on the Captain Irish Parkway and along Highway 1, we need to borrow dirt from that north half of First Avenue that is on ACT property. Nov/Where is the ACT property? Schmadeke/(Refers to map). Kubby/I think that is really kind of violating in spirit. Schmadeke/ .... The second reason is the depth of the water lines through here will be about 16 feet if we didn't grade the road first. Atkins/We have this debate folks .... Kubby/And what are the consequences of not putting in that water line? Schmadeke/If we don't put in the water line until the road is constructed, assuming the road will be constructed-... there won't be a problem with the 24 inch. The 12 inch, the longer we wait to put that in, the longer it will take us to have sufficient flows to that area around 1-80 and Highway 1. Kubby/And how long have we been with our current flows there? .... Atkins/That doesn't make it right .... Kubby/In terms of what the whole community told us about First Avenue and what their reaction will be to grading .... benefits isn't that long for the bad feeling and uncomfortable position the city is placing itself with the public trust. Lehman/What happens if we borrow the dirt and don't build the road? .... Norton/But if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... Kubby/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 33 Norton/ .... the water line, the 12 inch one. Where does it go the other direction and when? When is it connected to something? .... Schmadeke/It ties into our system internally .... we would put water in it immediately. Lehman/ ....big problem ....dirt you need for Captain Irish .... Council/(All talking). Norton/ Vanderhoef/And we made a commitment to do the water thing .... Thomberry/What are the added costs of going down how many feet to put that line in if you don't take the dirt out? 16 feet? .... Council/(All talking). Baker/You are setting yourself up for all sorts of problems if you starting grading that south. Norton/Yeah if it looks like a street. That is why I say if it quacks like a duck, they are going to think it is a street. Kubby/In terms o£trying to build trust in the community over the past year .... Norton/It suggests also that we are not rethinking the overall alignment of roads in the region .... I would like to think we could get the water in without pretending or building a section of a street ....I£we grade for it, it would be awfully weird to go in and not do a street .... Lehman/ Schmadeke/We like to build in street r.o.w.'s. Vanderhoeff And you are already purchased or got the easements for those r.o.w.s. Kubby/It makes sense to me to not do the water lines .... We don't need to do it now .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 34 Baker/ Norton/Which one is vital in the short rim? The 12 or the 24? The 12 is necessary he says. The 24 could be delayed. Kubby/That is a policy decision on our part. Baker/The 12 will alleviate a current problem .... Nov/ Norton/(Refers to map). Lehman/Chuck, if the road is ever built, how much would be taken off that hill? .... Atkins/Chuck said 10 feet. Norton/I just don't want to come down First Avenue ..... Atkins/ ....Do you wish to see any grading of First Avenue occur? Kubby/No. Norton/No. Arkins/That is two-three. Lehman/I don't think we can do that. Arkins/That is important that we know that. Council/(All talking). Lehman/It looks to me that we are telling the public we are building the road that we told you not to build .... Vanderhoef/Dee's scenario to cap the water line fight now... How much grading would it take? .... (Refers to map). Vanderhoef/About 10 feet. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 35 Vanderhoef/ Norton/The problem is you don't get the dirt .... Atkins/If there is no grading of First Avenue .... Can we build that first section of Captain Irish? .... Where does the dirt come from? Schmadeke/We can get it from the site if we extend the grading along Captain Irish Parkway. Nov/ Norton/ Kubby/How does the fit into the Northeast District Plan and public process? Nov/There will be a Captain Irish Parkway and there will be a Northeast public process. I don't see them as being in conflict. Kubby/What if the task force says the road should be in a different place? Nov/The exact alignment of the road is not going to be set up by a community committee ....We need another east-west arterial road. We need a Captain Irish Parkway. Norton/ Nov/I don't think we need a committee of citizens to tell us exactly where the road should curve or not. That is an engineering decision. Thomberry/How long would that take, Chuck, to get from that comer of Highway 1 to the intersection of Captain Irish and First Avenue? Schmadeke/As far as the construction. It would take a full construction season. Thomberry/Then why not stop it? .... Vanderhoef/We need the dirt ..... If we need the dirt in there, it appears that we will be starting the northeast development planning process soon .... During this planning This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 36 process... engineering will be going along... By next summer this can all be in place .... I am talking about Captain Irish. Kubby/ Norton/ .... take the dirt from Captain Irish right away and stay off of First Avenue, period. Lehman/At the intersection of the proposed First Avenue and Captain Irish Parkway, you said the water line would be like ten feet deep? Schmadeke/16. Lehman/Captain Irish Parkway, will the level of that road be the same whether or nor First Avenue is there? Schmadeke/Yes. Lehman/ .... go on and get the dirt off the extension of Captain Irish .... pay more to haul it farther... Norton/ Vanderhoef/(Refers to map)... if we are making plans for Captain Irish to go on east, there will have to be a bit of grading at that intersection .... don't try to tell the public that it won't happen ....You are going to go down ten feet... at that one juncture. Nov/ ....still have to have Captain Irish Parkway to get the traffic over to Dodge .... Vanderhoef/I could see us... We have deleted a section that we have in our CIP right now .... Whatever we can engineer on east of Captain Irish for next year in this whole planning process, I say let's just keep going that way. Norton/Don't take Captain Irish any further than necessary to get the dirt. Lehman/Do the grading but don't do the paving. Vanderhoef/If we are going to take it all the way over to Scott Blvd., whatever dollars and planning we can do. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 37 Kubby/I think it is too early for me to say I agree with that, Dee, because we need to look at our whole CIP and see are there other streets that are higher priority .... Norton/The alignment east of this intersection might slightly change depending on how you decide to manipulate Scott or Hickory Hill trail or something else. Vanderhoef/But the way it has always been put on the CIP plan was that it was in three phases. Over to what we are calling the .... First Avenue Extension is just one of the three phases. So if we have taken out that phase...why don't we consider that next phase and put it in there? .... Thornberry/Looking at the CIP and also needing the dirt that goes up there .... Council/(All talking). Lehman/We could go get that dirt and not do the fine grading. Just get it done to the intersection so we can hook up with ACT .... Council/(All talking). Lehman/To start down First Avenue, I agree with Dee. It definitely looks like we are grading something... Thomberry/In order to put the lines down I don't know if I want to delay the water project any longer than absolutely necessary ..... Let's get the water lines... Norton/ Atkins/Let me get a series of decisions ....1-Construct a 12 inch water line from Dodge Street to where? Lehman/Proposed ACT Drive. Nov/Yeah, Captain Irish to the ACT Drive. Atkins/From Dodge Street, along Captain Irish Parkway to approximately the ACT Driveway. Okay. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 38 2-Construct a 24 inch water line from Dodge Street to approximately the same thing? Lehman/ ....We need to do it the same time. Atkins/3-Construct geometric changes and install signal, Dodge and Parkway. Okay. 4-Grade streets from Dodge to the ACT Driveway intersection? Thomberry/To where ever needed. Kubby/ Atkins/Okay. Grade streets from Dodge to- Lehman/Get the dirt from ACT Driveway. Vanderhoef/Where is ACT property line? Atkins/Way over. Okay, grade streets from Dodge to where ever east of the ACT Driveway- Norton/To get the dirt. Atkins/I will clean this up and get this to you. 5-Construct Captain Irish Parkway east to a point just beyond- It is the same thing as the one above it? Lehman/No. We are grading the road but we don't construct it. Nov/I can't see the reason why not construct the Captain Irish Parkway. Vanderhoef/If we can get that done in two phases over the Scott Blvd. instead of three. I don't want to rule that possibility out. Atkins/You are going to construct the intersection remember. Nov/Let's do the ACT Driveway and the Captain Irish Parkway. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 39 Schmadeke/Just looking at the map here... If this is ever built, the dirt from here now will go across that lower end. And to construct anything along here (refers to map) would inhibit using big heavy equipment. Norton/Just grade beyond here then. Nov/What about actual concrete on Captain Irish Parkway from Dodge Street to ACT Driveway? Atkins/Okay. 3-Construct geometric changes. Construct, build, concrete, signals. Install Dodge Street- 4-Grade for street .... from Dodge to where ever east of the ACT Driveway necessary to accomplish the fill. Grade. Okay. 5-Construct Captain Irish Parkway east to a point just beyond the ACT Driveway in accordance with the fill. Thomberry/Chuck said to the intersection. Norton/Including the intersection, just east of the intersection. Atkins/6-Conclude agreements with ACT. 7-Initiate Planning Process. That is your policy. Lehman/Steve, you ask us whether or not we were going to put the water lines through, whether or not First Avenue went through and we said yes. However, I did not know... that we were taking 10 foot of fill off and it appears that we are building the road. Atkins/Ernie, I didn't either at the time .... Lehman/...I did not realize this .... Atkins/The purpose of this exercise and the staff's exercise, we wanted to make sure we understood exactly what you wanted to see done during this next interim period. Lehman/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 40 Atkins/I will write this up as your policy position and we will use it in support of the upcoming planning process. Kubby/There has been some call out in the community for, in addition to the normal planning process for the Northeast District ...., to maybe jump-start that and have some kind of a task force .... Thomberry/ Norton/ ....getting thinking done in a broad scale about that area. Kubby/ Franklin/You got the memo on the planning district and the way we would approach it as we approached the South Planning District. CHANGE TAPE TO 97-152 SIDE 1 Kubby/ ....I am talking about jump-starting the public process. Franklin/Some discussion I have had with David Forkenbrock is about having, prior to the neighborhood workshops which is part of our process, some kind of issues forum or discussion to articulate what the issues are and have some discussion about them ..... To get out what some of the issues are .... melt concept of task forces with the neighborhood workshops. Nov/I think the neighborhood workshops are going to give you a very similar result. I don't see the need to duplicate this with the task force .... Thomberry/I think if you do what you do that they will have something to go by and if they don't like it, then they can bring it up to us or you .... Norton/They can't get to that until March. My question... Is there anyway to jump-start it... by any kind of informal discussions now? Franklin/We are right in the middle of the South Central Planning District. I guess I would ask you what is going to happen now that it is going to make a difference between now and March. March is not very far away. Lehman/We have plenty of time .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 41 Franklin/I figure they take about six months to do it well and with controversy you can never tell exactly how long .... Lehman/If it took a year, it would still be done by March of '99 which is more than adequate time. Franklin/For those of you who are suggesting the jump-start, what are you thinking of?. Kubby/ ....hear from the community .... continue that discussion. Norton/Avoid the difficult chicken and egg thing .... that they help generate the plan .... Vanderhoef/ ....starting with the real broad .... Nov/ Lehman/Karen, I don't think there is going to be any lack of public input on this project .... Kubby/There are clearly not people who want to do the task force .... Council/(All talking). Franklin/With the process that we normally do, if there are people who want to suggest a different way to do this which continues to be inclusive and get the job done, we are open to it. Council/(All talking). This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 42 Appointments 97-152 S1 Nov/Board of Adjustment had no applicants and Design Review had no applicants ..... Board of Appeals .... do the people who have applied sound good? Norton/Roffman has been on for ten years... long time ..... Nov/We obviously don't have a rule against it... do not have another applicant... council concurs with Gary Haman and John Roffman .... Board of Library Trustees. We had one expired term.. one applicant .... Human Rights ..... Kubby/ ....nominating Diane Martin and Joan Jehle. Vanderhoef/The reappointments? Lehman/I second Diane Martin. Thomberry/I would go with Diane Martin also. Can we separate those? Kubby/I nominated both and it was seconded. Nov/ ....we have two nominations .... Baker/ ....I seconded for both of them, right. Council/(All talking). Nov/ ....Do we want to vote on all three? .... Thomberry/There are three openings... Norton/ .... I would support Diane. I just want to talk a little bit about the other one. I get nervous about consistent reappointment. Kubby/ ....Let's do them one at a time. Nov/Diane Martin, is there any discussion?... partial term ....Put her on. Joan has one full term and she would like another. Kubby/Joan has been an active member ..... She deserves another chance. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 43 Thornberry/I got two people that I think are probably better than she is that I would like to nominate. Baker/Joan has a nomination and a second. Does she got two other votes? Council/(All talking). Nov/ Thornberry/I would like- I talked to a lot of people ....Mettle Thomopulos ....and Diane Martin and Astrid Oesmann. Council/(All talking). Norton/I am just worded about our consistent reappointment of people... turnover is also better, too .... Council/(All talking). Nov/At the moment I see four women nominated. Thornberry/Astrid, Mettie- Lehman/And Diane and Joan. Kubby/I also like Lea Haravon. I would like to nominate Leah to be part of the discussion. Nov/I didn't hear a second on that one. Council/(All talking). Norton/Dan McGrory .... Kubby/I would like to nominate Arthur Vincent Jr ..... Nov/You seconded one and not the other ..... Did I hear a second on Astrid? I think I did. I am not sure. Norton/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 44 Kubby/Astrid, Joan, Lea, Arthur, Diane, Mettie .... Council/(All talking). Norton/We have already done Diane .... Nov/I heard four people .... Thomberry/Five left for two. Can we go Mettie next? .... Nov/Does anyone have strong feelings about having another man? ....Had a second on Vincent. Council/(All talking). Kubby/First see if there are four votes for Joan because she is already on there .... Norton/ Nov/We have three ....What about Arthur Vincent? ....I think we have four on Vincent .... go for gender balance .... Norton/For me between Mettle and Joan .... Thornberry/I have got to tell you about Mettie .... talk to her about 45 minutes .... black lady with two children .... working for the Mercy Hospital .... Norton/We had several really equal people... Vandcrhoeff I had two outside people contact me regarding Meddy .... Norton/Joan didn't make a lot of phone calls to us .... Nov/She has a history ....There is a chance that somebody is moving out of town .... Thomberry/Did you spend time talking to other people? .... Norton/If there is a big strong sentiment for Joan, I would go back to that .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session Nov/A lot of good people here .... Kubby/Argument for Joan for now. Nov/I am inclined to go with Joan. Norton/Okay, I will go that way ..... Nov/All right. Let's think about it a little bit more. Do you want to come back to it? .... talk about it. Kubby/Articulate why Mettie would be better than Joan. Thornberry/I can't .... Nov/I can go with either one of them ..... Norton/Virtue of a little new blood .... Kubby/One term is not needing new blood .... stick with Joan and readvertise .... Thomberry/ .... Just because someone is one there doesn't mean that there isn't someone out there... that wouldn't work with the group better .... If there were an opportunity .... What I asked you before was did you talk about anyone else... did you talk to the other commissioners regarding the applicant? Have you? Kubby/No .... Thomberry/Did you contact the Commission regarding the present commissioners .... applicants? Kubby/No. Norton/ Thornberry/I did. Kubby/ Nov/I don't think we have made a decision. I was going to move on .... page 45 This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 46 Thomberry/I would suggest that you give it some more thought Nov/While we are giving it some more thought, can we talk about a different? Vanderhoef/Parks and Rec.: Barb Endel and Bruce Maurer. Both are returning .... Nov/ ....both okay with me ....Riverfront. Kubby/I like Lyrm Rose. Norton/I do, too. Vanderhoef/So do I. I like Dan Mascal and .... reappoint Courtney Daniels. Norton/I would buy that, Daniels, Mascal and Rose .... Baker/I will nominate Jim Pugh. Kubby/We do have an obligation to state why we would not want another person on Riverfront and Natural Areas .... Jim Pugh .... Vanderhoef/He has served one full term and another partial term. Kubby/I want to hear from people why we wouldn't be interested. Nov/I would be interested in turnover .... Council/(All talking). Baker/Get a lot of holdovers in P/Z .... Council/(All talking). Nov/Senior Center .... C. Monsanto has served one term .... does anybody have any objections to giving them a full term? .... Vanderhoef/I like Deborah Schoenfelder ..... she is a gerontology nurse .... Council/(All talking). This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 47 Vanderhoef/ Nov/We have two .... I think we have got everything except Human Rights .... Kubby/So we are clear on Diane and Arthur? Council/(Yes). Nov/ Norton/Daniels, Rose and Mansel. Is it Dan Mascal? Nov/I think it is Mansel .... Norton/Mascal .... Council/(All talking). Vanderhoef/No, M-a-n-s-e-1. Nov/It is M-a-s-c-a-1. Vanderhoef/I read that as an N. Norton/I think it looks like a C to me. Nov/It is Mascal, there is no question. Baker/For Joan, she seems to, in my mind, do a good job. I don't see any reason not to appoint her. Thomberry/Have you had any dealings with her? .... Baker/No .... If you know something I don't know. I am going on what I know. Thornberry/All I am asking is if anybody has really done their homework on this particular one. Norton/We have different kinds of homework. I have a couple of questions .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 48 Kubby/ Baker/Do you want to make this decision tomorrow night after you talk to other people? Nov/We can do that. Norton/I could handle that .....I will try again. Nov/We are on council time .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 49 Council Agenda/Council Time 97-152 S1 1. Norton/Have we talked about performance based budgeting that I keep reading about? .... Is this a fad or supposed to be something we should look at it? Nov/ Atkins/...not so much on budgeting. Norton/I just don't want to be left out of some trendy thing we ought to be doing. Atkins/ 2. Norton/ .... I think we really need to take a look at those islands that were built to protect the parking on Linn Street... they come out a long way .... Bonkers when snow is over those things .... They come out so far .... All away along Linn Street. Nov/ ....Linn Street ....College Street, they are too big. Norton/They are oversized. Atkins/I think it was done because there is something about the centerline on the street .... Those are only going to be temporary .... Norton/I have had so many people on my back about it .... Kubby/I have had quite a few comments from people who bike downtown who normally try to avoid Iowa Avenue because of traffic backing into the roadway .... unsafe .... In the new areas, your only maneuvering area is into an oncoming lane of traffic. Norton/And when you get to an island, there is no place to go ....I think they ought to take another look at those at the islands. Nov/ Arkins/It is just a glob of asphalt is all it is. 3. Norton/ ....I noticed in one of the memos that we sent out 600 invitations downtown businessmen... to think about economic issues downtown and nobody came to the party. I was vastly disappointed .... I found that one kind of a hard deal. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 50 4. Norton/I think the Street Department on the limb thing was terrific on all the work they have done... Forestry .... big stuff.... Kubby/Giant oak tree on Elk's property ..... about 1/5 down ..... 5. Norton/Are we going to do our CIP? We were talking the other night .... CIP is hard to do in May .... ought to be done in the fall. I don't suppose there is any chance we are going to do it this fall? Atkins/No ....Do it like in October or November of next year .... 6. Kubby/(Agenda #2d(2)CONSTRUCTION OF THE CAPTAIN IRISH PARKWAY PHASE I & (3) CONSTRUCTION OF THE WATER FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS). Do we need to do any updating, Steve, on page 2 of the agenda for the p.h.s... Captain Irish Parkway? Atkins/I will deal with that tomorrow. I think we are going to have to. Karr/Do you want to turn on your mic? Atkins/It's on ....It is to set a p.h. Nov/ Atkins/We will let you know tomorrow. 7. Kubby/There is something in Riverfront and Natural Areas Commission meeting minutes about a conceptual plan for Sturgis Ferry Park... mounding dirt to hide the recycling area. To me that doesn't seem like the best strategy. What we need to do it have a cleaner recycling area and not hide the recycling area with mounds of dirt on the entrance way to the city .... find a different strategy. Vanderhoef/ ....to hide those containers .... Kubby/ .... really old .... The ones at the HyVee have been redone .... cleaner, bigger... Instead of hiding them, we need to do some fundamental changes ..... Atkins/I hear you. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 51 8. Kubby/(Agenda #2g.(2)- Rory Fisher - snow removal). We got something from someone who was concerned about our snow plow policy. Atkins/Would you like me to reply? Norton/I don't know what we are suppose to say. It is a pretty heavy duty letter. Atkins/I thought he was out of line. Thomberry/I don't think a reply is necessary .... Kubby/Let's clarify what our policy is that we don't remove snow until it is four inches, correct? Atkins/There are several issues... We do not plow snow based upon who lives on what street .... Tuscan Place... is at the extreme edge of the city .... residential, wide open, no trees. It is blowing and drifting and we start with the population centers and work out .... I am willing to prepare a response. Norton/ ....a brief response .... Kubby/ ....understand the reasoning behind the four inch rule. Atkins/I will make sure that is clarified. Kubby/And that we need to be clarified on it .... If you could get a memo to us .... Atkins/I will take care of it. Thornberry/Last snowstorm... some places had their parking lots scraped and some didn't .... 9. Kubby/We had another letter from someone about problems on Gilbert, Bowery and Prentiss suggesting just a small change in timing might- Atkins/I have asked (can't hear) to prepare some information .... 10. Kubby/I said I would speak with Isaac Bums... about longevity of ramps and skateboard area over the winter .... issues .... until we saw that they were putting This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 Noyember 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 52 things away and they formed a committee... stop by midnight ....put things away .... Atkins/ ....generally they were okay. Kubby/It is hard ....overall I think it was pretty good. Norton/ Thomberry/Are there fewer problems downtown than there were? Atkins/I think so ....I generally think it went okay .... 11. Thornberry/When are the lights going up downtown for Christmas? Atkins/Holiday lights? Nov/ Lehman/There are a lot of them done .... Thornberry/Okay. 12. Vanderhoef/I was curious... sign... "Safe Place" and training that went with this... InfoVision .... put it on there .... Atkins/We will do that. 13. Vanderhoef/ ....I am pleased with the way the Landfill leak was handled... right away. 14. Thornberry/There will be a fountain downtown? .... Council/(All talking). 15. Vanderhoef/I am real pleased that we got some dirt off of the Cliff's. 16. Baker/One quick thing .... I asked Steve to make a phone call... letter... Glendale, Arizona... Citizen's Participation Ordinance .... get a copy of it .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 53 17. Norton/Rocky Shore and Highway 6, somebody asked me about what is happening down there? Is somebody parking cars there? Somebody is using it for valet parking? That would be a great comer for public art .... 18. Nov/In our wastewater list...It says we are doing a surcharge for B.O.D. per pound. It doesn't say per point of what. Are we weighing wastewater? Atkins/B.O.D. is measured by pound. Nov/We are measuring wastewater in weight? Atkins/Suspended solids. Vanderhoef/Read the fine print clear at the bottom of that. Nov/All right, I will read it again. 19. Nov/(Agenda #6- PROPOSING FEE AND LANGUAGE CHANGES FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER.) I am concerned about some of these proposed utility discounts because they mean that you and I who don't have a discount are going to have an increase and those who have a discount will have a decrease. Atkins/I thought we did what you wanted us to do. Nov/We never made a decision on that. Norton/Sure we did. Atkins/I thought we went through that with you. Norton/I want to make the minimum discount rate 75% all the way around instead of 50/75. Lehman/I thought we came to an agreement on it. Nov/ Atkins/I asked Don to do a chart so that we made sure- Nov/ ....Did we ever vote on this chart? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 54 Council/(All talking). Atkins/We took to you as an issue, do you want these done. Lehman/As I recall, Don had indicated to us the number of folks affected by these was so minuscule that it would have no real affect on our income. Nov/ ....However if we are dealing with somebody who currently uses 200 cubic feet, we are not doing much for them. Based on our current charge for 200 cubic feet, they would have a 7% increase. Based on the folks who have 800 cubic feet, they would have a 44% increase. Norton/ Vanderhoef/No .... Nov/I am talking now about the low income discount .... using 200 c.f., they would pay $13.91. Everybody's rates are going up and we are proposing that person is now going to pay $11.94. We are giving them an extra $2.00 when everybody's rates are going up. It doesn't make sense. Norton/If changes are made. Kubby/ ....that is what happens .... Nov/I am not sure they need a discount. Norton/ Nov/ Norton/He said if the change were made in the policy for water and waster from 50 to 75- Nov/Did we never discuss this? Did we never make a decision7 Norton/On that last point we did not change from 50 to 75 for water and wastewater. That last page... is all in the future, isn't it7 This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 55 Atkins/Not really. CHANGE TAPE TO 97-152 SIDE 2 Kubby/ Nov/We did not even discuss it. Norton/We didn't reach a decision. Nov/Don proposed this. He wrote a memo. We did not make a decision. Karr/I think you went through the items and by not touching that one, I think Don assumed it was a go. Nov/I am just not hearing it that way. Norton/Are we acting on this tomorrow night? Karr/It is just a p.h. Nov/It is a p.h. Norton/We can go back to it, Naomi. 20. Vanderhoef/I have one more answer that I would like. I can't find anyplace in all of this where it gives us the sewer rate, how we figure that sewer rate. I have got it here for how many c.f. for water and sewer is figured off of the water. However, at what ratio or? Nov/The wastewater is the 100 c.f.... each of these charges is for 100 c.f. Vanderhoef/Monthly charge for each additional 100 c.£. of water used. But where is the wastewater one? Nov/Wastewater is based on the amount of water you use. Norton/Same water in as the same water out. Vanderhoef/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097 November 10, 1997 Council Work Session page 56 Kubby/Minimum sewer charge .... for every 800 c.f. of water you use, there is a sewer charge of $2.95. Vanderhoef/Okay. Nov/It is a water meter and they bill it at a different number. Now, the monthly surcharge says B.O.D. per pound and I am just not sure how they are doing this .... milligrams per liter. But pounds of what? ..... Kubby/But they know that B.O.D. is done in a weight basis and so .... it is hard much gunk is in the water that determines how we need to treat. Norton/How do they assess it actually do you think? Council/(All talking). Norton/They probably take a sample of their wastewater and flitrate that out and get a little solid left and weigh that .... Vanderhoef/ Norton/They must do it on a sampling basis .... Nov/ Council/(All talking). 21. Karr/Can I assume that the proposed meeting schedule for the remainder of the year is okay? Kubby/Yes. Karr/Okay, I will finalize it. Council/(All talking). Adjourned: 10:30 PM This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 10, 1997 WSl11097