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Home My WebLink About1996-05-20 TranscriptionMay 20, 1996 Council Work Session 6:30 PM Council: Nov, Baker, Kubby, Lehman, Norton, Thornberry, Vanderhoef. Staff: Atkins, Helling, Woito, Walsh, Milkman, Franklin, Logsden, O'Neil, Fowler, Trueblood, Moran. Tapes: 96-61, Side 2; 96-62, All; 96-63, all; 96-64, Side 1. Review Zoninq Matters 96-61 S2 Nov/ Are we ready... Karin, go ahead a. Consider a motion setting a public hearing for June 4 on an ordinance amending the Zoning Chapter by conditionally rezoning a 2.32 acre tract from I-l, Industrial, to CI-1, Intensive Commercial, for property located east of Sunset Street on the south side of Highway 1. (REZ96-0006) Franklin/ The first item on your agenda is to set a p.h. for June 4 on a Zoning Ordinance amendment to rezone property... from I-1 to CI-1 ..... just east of Menards .... You will see that in detail at your next meeting. Nov/ We should see that Airport Commission report also. It seems to me they were talking about absorbing everything between there and there. Franklin/ It may come up ..... just northeast of Menards. bo Public hearing on an ordinance amending the Zoning Chapter by rezoning a 1.79 acre tract from CC2, Community Commercial to OSA/CC2, Sensitive Areas Overlay/Coramunity Commercial Zone and approval of a preliminary Sensitive Areas Development Plan for property located at the intersection of Sturgis Corner Drive and Highway 6. (REZ96-0008) Franklin/ Next item is a rezoning from CC-2 to OSA .... at Sturgis Corner. I will refer you to the drawing in your packet. Thornberry/ Will that need a fence between the trail and the river? Franklin/ No, I don't think so. At one point it will but probably not right behind this building ..... farther north before you get to the Coldwell Banker Building, it is going to be cut into the slope, the trail... altered protected slope. Norton/ ...How many structures are we talking about? .... Thlsreprese~s only areasonably accur~e ~anscrtpUon offsIowa CEy council me~lng ~ May 20,1996, WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 2 Franklin/ A long building .... The one that is marked Anderson Bender is already built .... This project required a parking reduction .... minor modification.. through HIS It meets the equlrements for an altered protected slope. The building encroaches into the buffer, not into the slope but it does not in any way de-stabilize the slope that is there. The trail will cut into the slope and will require a retaining wall at a point somewhere between this building and the Coldwell Banker/Anderson Bender building ..... We advocated and the P/Z Commission concurred that that was reasonable to make that alteration in the slope for the public purpose of the trail. Kubby/ If it were a private entity..° would that be allowable under the overlay? Franklin/ Trails are.allowable, yes. It would be evaluated on a case by case basis in terms of attempting to diminish as much as possible any disruption to the slope. The fact that this is an altered slope made a difference in our judgement .... Kubby/ ...issue here is erosion, not what your origin of the slope Franklin/ .o. part of it was erosion. Part of it was habitat preservation or preservation of a naturally occurring area .... Norton/ Is that easement ...... Franklin/ It is not an easement. Norton/ Just a paragraph appended to the zoning. Franklin/ The reason for that is for years Mr. Braverman. has been going to give this to the city as a gift and we hav~'just been going back and forth in terms of exactly where it was going to be... and when that was going to happen. If we r ' equlre it as an easement as part of a rezoning, then it is not a gift and it is not a charitable deduction ....Calling it... a gift. He has willingly said that he will give it to the city. Woito/ In all fairness to Southgate, they tried to give it to us in 1989 and at the time there were concerns on the Council°. contaminated soils .... I ha-A ~ ..... v~ ~en waiting to give it a clearance under the Superfund Act to make sure that we are not going to disturb the soils too much which would trigger a Thisrepresents only a reasonably eccuraletrenscrlpfion ofthelowa CIw council meeting of May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 3 release .... and have problems under the Superfund Act. Kubby/ And you feel clear that we will walk into that? Woito/ Yes, I feel comfortable now that I know what the plans were to do with the soil and what we are going to do on top of it, etc. They have been trying to give this away for seven years, literally. Norton/ It had been certified as a hazardous area? Woito/ Sturgis Corner... We fund that out .... Because we were a prior owner, we had to costs. with borings .... pay some clean up c. Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Chapter to change the use regulations of a 3.09 acre tract from RS-5, Low Density Single-Family Residential, to OPDH-5, Planned Development Housing Overlay, and approval of a preliminary OPDH plan for property located on the north side of Village Road. (REZ96-0004) (Second consideration) Franklin/ Second consideration for Wellington Condominium rezoning. Norton/ I have one question on the previous. 1.79 o r 1 . 0 7 acres? .... Franklin/ ... I am taking the 1.79 from here. Vanderhoef/ The ordinance says 1.07. Norton/ Fra~(lin/ We will check that to make sure ..... d. Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Chapter to change the use regulations of a 1.88 acre tract from RR-1, Rural Residential, to RS-5, Low Density Single-Family Residential for property located at 3263 Rohret Road. (REZ96-0003) (Pass and adopt) Franklin/ Pass and adopt for the rezoning on Rohret Road. e. Consider a resolution approving a preliminary and final plat of Broken Arrow Estates, a 1.88 acre, 3-1or, residential subdivision located at 3263 Rohret Road. (SUB96-O004) This mpresents only are~onably accur~etmnscrip~on ~ ~elowa CiH council me~lngof May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 4 Franklin/ The resolution on preliminary and final plat for Broken Arrow which I understand the legal papers are still being reuiewed. We expect to have them tied up by tomorrow night. f. Consider a resolution approving the extension of the preliminary plat of Hunters Run Subdivision, Part 8, a 16-lot residential subdivision located on the north side of Rohret Road. (s-8801) Franklin/ Consider a resolution approving the extension of the preliminary plat for Hunters Run Subdivision, Part 8. This has expired and it is a fairly routine thing .... Sensitive Areas Ordinance was passed... would not affect this particular plat given where the plat is. Recommendation of staff and P/Z Commision is to approve this extension .... Kubby/ I have another P/Z question. I saw that Staples, Inc .... that vote to amend the CZA was in the negative. Do they have the option of coming to us? Franklin/ They do but they have chosen not to. Kubby/ .... to reconfiguring agreements that we worked really hard to get. Thornberry/ It does have a sign up there that they are coming soon. Is that true? Franklin/ I think that was up when they were before P/Zo I don't know that they have decided how they are going to proceed. Thornberry/ I read in the paper that they were looking at another location. Franklin/ I don't know .... Kubby/ Do we have any indication as to why the private covenants are so restrictive about parking? That they have more parking requirements than the city and why they are not negotiable? Franklin/ Those covenants come from Walmart and they believe that they need more parking. They owned the entire thing at the time that it was subdivided ..... Joseph Company .... then Walmart..o subdivided and sold a lot to Cub Foods .... Staples... at some point after the CZA was approved, the restrictive covenants were put into affect .... I think the parking requirements are there because Walmart feels that they This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of May 20, 1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 5 need that much parking ..... They are more than what the city requires .... Kubby/ Maybe you could talk to Walmart. Vanderhoef/ Karin, on the resolution for BrokenArrow, is there not to be something in the resolution about the Neighborhood Open Space or money in lieu of? Franklin/ Uh- I am trying to remember .... Vanderhosf/ It was money in lieu of. Franklin/ .o. in the resolution. Vanderhoef/ As I went through the resolution, I didn't see anything that- Woito/ No, it is just a standard one. I can check with Sarah. Nov/ Was it in the rezoning or was it in the resolution on the plat? Vanderhoef/ Franklin/ I will go back and look .... Before I sit down, is there any questions about the Longfellow Historic Preservation grant? It is item 16 on the agenda because Doug can't be here tomorrow night. Nov/ Doug Russel called and asked if he should be here and I said I didn't know ..... If we have questions... I will call him and tell him he does not have to be here to answer questions tomorrow. Norton/ Just is s~mp]y blessing their grant application and they seem to have the matching funds in hand or in site. Franklin/ Yes, it is fairly routine. Vanderhoef/ Would you go thorough.°. identify the difference between a historic district versus the National Historic District...? Franklin/ What they are doing now is the survey is the preliminary work that is done before you can designate an area a historic district. Basically what that is doing is evaluating the age, Thisrepresents only ereasoneWy accurate transcription ofthelowa City council meeting of May 20,1996. W$052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 6 the nature of the structures within the district. They use that information to go through the State Office of Historic Preservation to get it designated as a district. It needs to have a certain amount.. of structures... certain characteristics that are relevant to a point in time to make it qualify to be a historic district .... They started it and this is to extend the area .... Made more logical historic sense to extend these boundaries a little bit further to get the whole area that is pertinent. Vanderhoef/... Thanks .... Franklin/ $2,000 that are out of the budget that has already been allocated for historic preservation grant matches. $1,000 from the Longfellow Association and then in-kind contributions. Norton/ If you go through this exercise... suppose you don't qualify for a historic distinct. Does that help identify landmarks? .... Franklin/ Yes .... can use that same information as a basis for you conservation district if it doesn't qualify as a historic district. Thornberry/ How old does an area have to be to be historic? Franklin/ I think it is fifty years. Thornberry/ Council/ Thlsrepr~ents only areasonabl¥ accurate ~anscrtptlon of ~olowa City council meeting of May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 7 City Steps F¥96 Action Plan Budqet 96-61 S2 Milkman/ We are amending this year's, FY96, Action Plan budget .... most of it you have already dealt with .... changes... GICHF/Burns Partnership could not use all the funds that were allocated .... F¥95 & FY96 funds, HOME and CDBG, all in one big packet. If you have specific questions, I would be happy to answer them. Thornberry/ Trying to use up all this money before you leave. Milkman/ Yes. Council/ (All talking). Norton/ ...ended up with rather more on Tenant Based Rent Assistance than I thought .... says $150- Kubby/ This is two years .... Milkman/ .... Nov/ Out fiscal year and their fiscal year are two different calendars. Milkman/ I had sent you a memo telling you that we do finally have the actual allocation .... they are higher than we anticipated .... possibility of doing other great things... Last Council meeting .... Remember all the wonderful things the CDBG Program does (presents t-shirts) .... Nov/ We will wear them on May 31 at your party. Council/ (All talking). Milkman/ They are .... X-large .... Council/ Thank you ..... Milkman/ The other thing.. trail system... fun things about working for a long time in the Planning Department... certain plans like the trails .... are finally coming to fruition .... the Urban Environment Policy .... Sensitive Areas Ordinance... a few other things .... Thank you. Lehman/ Are you going to be here tomorrow night? Milkman/ No. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of May 20, 1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 8 Lehman/ Then I suppose it is appropriate to tell her how much we miss her. Kubby/ When I was chair of CCN .... Marianne was always there to keep us on track .... knew the regs so thoroughly .... It was really wonderful working with you on many levels. Milkman/ Thank you. Thisbepresents only areasonably accurate ~ans~lpfion ofthelowa Clw council meeting of May 20,1998, WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Fringe ~rea Agreement 96-61 S2 Nov/ Fringe A~ea Agreement. Page 9 Franklin/ we will just take it in parts... run through highlights of the Fringe Agreement first because I don't think this Council has talked about the whole thing .... that you know what it is that you are agreeing to in principle at this point. The next step is going to be, assuming that there is some agreement in principal to all of this, that we then go back and actually re-write the document and take it back through the Council and Board for final approval. First of all I will Just go through the highlights. In Fringe Area A, this area to the north,... development at a RS-3 density .... in the county, the number at the end does not mean the same thing as the number in the city. It is just the opposite. This means 1 dwelling unit per 3 acres, not 3 dwelling units per acre. So it is one dwelling unit per three acres for Area A. Nov/ Have we ever considered a different system... use RR .... Franklin/ Only if the county were going to change their entire Zoning Ordinance or we were. That is something we can talk about .... At this point in time the County Zoning Ordinance has RS, residential suburban, as their zoning classification at 1 dwelling unit per acre. We have discussed this a little bit. The idea of the city or the county re-doing their entire Zoning Ordinance is a little daunting .... Area A... targeted growth area for the two miles. That is an important concept for all of this .... two mile area all around the city that incorporates our growth area (refers to map). Our growth area now is defined by 1-80 (refers to map). We have some discussion in future about growth area to the north. On June 6 when we talk about 965 with Coralville, there will be some discussion of the growth area on the west. The Fringe Agreement does not rely on these growth area boundary lines .... In the Fringe Agreement it refers to those areas that are within the growth area and those that are without the growth area. That is really an important distinction. (Refers to map) ..... Area A...focuses development within the two mile area to that north area and the reason for that is... previously in the Fringe Agreement and county approach to development there was an understanding that the growth area of the county would be in the north corridor .... As time... greater pushes throughout the two mile but largely within the north area for more development. What this agreement says is Thisrepresents only areasonebly accuratetranscription ofthelow8 City council meeting of May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 10 okay, we can see there is more push for development in the two mile area generally and that this is where it should be primarily confined to if it is going to happen in the unincorporated part of the county. In the proposed agreement one could increase that density to RS or 1 dwelling per acre if the development were clustered .... Area B .... east and south side (refers to the map). Within the growth area, rezonings would occur which were consistent with our land use planning... part of our Comp Plan... a generalized land use plan for this part of Iowa City ..... As zoning requests came in, those zonings should be consistent with that land use plan. They also, however .... looking at annexation of those properties. If the property is not contiguous to our existing corporate limits and a rezoning is requested, we would then have to look at what that rezoning was for° It should be consistent with the land use plan. If it is to develop in the county, it has to be built at city standards ..... In the growth area it is looking at the future of this property being in the Iowa City corporate limits .... urban design standards are required... annexation is advocated if it is contiguous. (Refers to map). Then we get outside in this area. This is where the Board has offered a compromise position. As it stands now, in the existing Fringe Agreement, we say agricultural use if preferred and then we have debates whenever something comes in. The joint commission proposal provided for up to three units per 40 acre tract .... agreement allowed for rezoning to RS or one acre to allow a third house. When the Board looked at that they said no, we would like this area to be handled likeArea A. You responded no .... They then have come back with a proposal that on a 40 acre tract, in Area B, one could have up to 4 dwelling units on a 40 acre tract and that would be it. Kubby/ We already compromised from zero to three. Franklin/ Farmstead splits you always accepted. Area C ..... Baker/ This new proposal by the county, four units per 40 acre tract. W~en was that discussion? .... Franklin/ That discussion came out of a conversation .... Don Sehr, R.J. Moore, Rick Dvorak and myself .... a month ago. When the Council went back and said we accept Area C but we reject B and C. I had conversation then with Don Sehr about where were Thisrepresents only areasonebly accurate ~anscdpfion oftholowe CiW council meeting of May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 council Work Session Page 11 we .... Area in B and C that is not in the growth area we are not close on .... point of contention and that is what we sat down to talk about. Nov/ The letter from the county is dated April 29. Franklin/ The meeting was before then° So sometime in April. Norton/ At that point the county said nothing about clustering in C and B outside the growth area? Franklin/ Yes, they did. Then going to C. In the growth area (refers to map) where they is existing zoning... that development would occur to city standards. Any place that is contiguous annexation is encouraged since it would be in the growth area at some point in time. Part of this... to gain control of those properties that are in the growth area. This area right around Hwy 1/218 intersection was targeted for commercial and industrial development .... In the remainder of the area .... that is not zoned RS already (refers to map)... 4 dwelling units per acre, RS-10. Then if the developer agreed to clustering, you would go to RS-5 which is 8 dwelling units per acre. On a 40 acre tract, both B & C require that there be a minimum 40 acre tract when we are talking about rezoning. Kubby/ RS-5 is 8 units per 40 acres. Franklin/ That is right, it is 1 dwelling unit per 5 acres. Thornberry/ But they all have to be in a small area? Franklin/ No. You have to have a minimum 40 acre tract to get it rezoned. You can get it rezoned under the policy to RS-10 or 4 dwelling units on 40 acres. If you cluster... with a set aside, then you can get up to 8 units on that 40 acres. Baker/ Is it 8 units per acre or 8 units per acre on a 40 acre tract? Franklin/ We are going to talk about clustering .... Baker/ .... 4 units total for the 40 acre tract. Franklin/ 4 units total on a 40 acre tract° If you cluster, 8 units total on a 40 acre tract. Kubby/ Is that true for B, the clustering? Thlsrepr~ents only are~onably accuratetranscrip~on ofthelowa City coun¢ll maatlngof May 20,1996. WS0§2096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 12 Franklin/ NOo The distinction here... was B is the area that they have always identified as having a high CSR, high water table not good for septic fields .... Kubby/ That is why we wanted the growth in A to try to protect agricultural uses in B. Franklin/ (Refers to map). Kubby/ It is balancing between being a very urban and a very rural county .... Franklin/ The distinction between B and C. Norton/ Used the word growth area in the north corridor .... that is develop area .... Franklin/ Growth area is as we use that term is where we anticipate Iowa City's future corporate boundaries will be. That is the growth area for the municipality ..... Concept of clustering. In Fringe Area A, example of 30 acre tract. With the zoning that the policy endorses as being okay, RS-3, you had 10 dwelling units on that 30 acres or 1 dwelling unit per 3 acres. If you just straight rezoned it to RS, your density would be 30 dwelling units at i dwelling unit per acre. With the cluster, set aside 50% of the land for open space, you are putting 30 dwelling units on 15 acres. Which means each dwelling unit is on a half acre site°.. if you chose to. That is the only way you get the higher density is if you do the clustering. The proposal before you .... clustering... is to have this 50% set aside. That would prevail at any time that someone wanted to get that higher density, they would have to consent to that set aside. Kubby/ The proposal that came from the Commission was mandatory c~ustering. Franklin/ Let me go back and check that. Kubby/ Compromise .... incentive via higher density to get the clustering. Franklin/ Yes, it was very different. There wasn't the set aside .... The illustrations that I put in your packets .... (refers to map) ..... lots are smaller but the sense of openness can be just as great .... Thlsrepressnts oniy areasonably 8ccur~e ~anscrlpfion oftholow8 City council meeting of May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 13 Norton/ Karin... county... they had a 1 acre minimum .... assuming they would be willing to go to smaller lot sizes .... Franklin/ Right, that does assume there would be that willingness to go down to get that higher density and the stumbling block eometime with that .... is how you deal with sewage disposal ..... are ways in which you can provide the septic fields on the open space. Use that ground but it ie not built on .... Also other mechanisms that you can provide for sewage treatment ..... Kubby/ .... Did you hear any feedback? Franklin/ They had some discussions about it because they talked about even before they sent the letter back to the city and there were some reservations. I don't think they have discounted it entirely. I brought this before the county staff and they think it hae some merit but it is something that we will have to work with in terms of how this works with the Board of Supervisors, with the Board of Health. Norton/ Franklin/ The 50% number in A and the 80% number in C. Norton/ Where do those numbers come from, Karin? Franklin/ My head .... for every acre that is built on, you have an acre that is left in open space .... That is 50%. Kubby/ Especially C... makes so much sense... get even greater density... have fewer roads .... Franklin/ You don't have to maximize the density either .... Kubby/ If we are going to try to facilitate Deople doing the growth in the unincorporated areas in Fringe Area A, for me the tradeoff is balancing the important economic factor of agricultural uses in our county .... this allows that to happen .... Nov/ This is a constant argument among county residents. I did not move to the county to live on a .5 acre lot .... We may provide the option for something to develop this way and it may never happen. Franklin/ ...Whether the higher density is any kind of incentive at Thisrepresents only areasonably 8ccurate transcription M theIowa City council meeting of May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 14 all. We talked about it. Nov/ It is probably not going to be mandatory... this is a reasonable incentive. I would like it to be a little bit more restrictive in that you don't have to get up to 30 units on 15 acres ..... Anybody who wants more than 1 unit per acre must cluster ..... I would like the cluster to kick in somewhere earlier ..... Franklin/ If there are 5 houses on a 5 acre tract with what is in the agreement now, you do have to cluster... Nov/ I was talking about the RS zone. Franklin/ You don't get a RS unless you cluster .... Nov/ Franklin/ The requirement is RS with the cluster .... Kubby/ It is not only clustered but it is the 50% set aside. Franklin/ That is totally new .... issue of how to define what we mean by cluster. The proposal is that you have the 50% set aside and that is set aside in an outlot which is designated for open space. The only way that you can change that is to go through the platting process again... you to have zone all of it including the outlot .... the entire property would be zoned, including that outlot ..... We are only in Area A now .... Norton/ Franklin/ This will be a new thing for the county to do this. Norton/ In B and C it will take 40 acre chunks to re~one. Franklin/ That is correct. Norton/ That sure hasn't been the history. Thornberry/ What if you only own 30 acres? Franklin/ You got to get 10 more in order to do your 4 houses. Thornberry/ This ~presents only a reasonably accuretetrans=ipfion ofthelowa Ci~ council meeting of May20,1996, WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 15 CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 96-62 SIDE Franklin/..° So in B, we have no cluster provision... It is 40 acre minimum tract, RS-10, 4 dwelling units. 1 dwelling unit on 10 acres, no lot is less than 1 acre. Okay, let's go to C. Same basic concept. However, you do have the cluster provision which allows you 8 dwelling units with 80% set aside .... just a proposal. That gives you 1 dwelling unit on ! acre. Kubby/ Franklin/ So you would have 32 acres in open space or continue to be in farm land or open space... 8 acres of it could be developed and that is if you want the higher density, then you must cluster. Other wise it is 4 dwelling units on 40 acres. You can do them on 1 acre lots or Norton/ Do you think that 40 acre thing is realistic? .... Nov/ 40 acres is a minimum farm property .... Franklin/ One of the other provisions is the frequency which we review the Fringe Agreement. A year has been suggested. That makes me nervous. I would like to see at least two if not three. Kubby/ Nov/ Three. Norton/ Three, I agree with you. Nov/ No less than three. Kubby/ Also allowing something to see if it works or not. Nov/ Franklin/ It takes some time, certainly. Okay, annexation .... still within the purview of the city. We always require the county. We are required to notify the county by state law. This issue with annexation is when and if we extend the two mile extraterritorial jurisdiction. Right now the state enables cities to review plats within the two This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of May 20, 1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 16 mile boundary or up to two miles of your corporate limits. You have to adopt an ordinance that says you are going to do that or something less. We have, in our subdivision regulations, part of that is that we will review all subdivisions within the two miles and it is automatic .... ?~at the agreement now has in it is language to the affect that we will consider those two mile extensions on a case by case basis in consultation with the county .... When the annexation comes through, when we notify the county, the staff will make a recommendation as to whether we extend that two mile area or not and that recommendation would be based upon whether we anticipate further annexation in that area, what the pressures are for development in that area and the potential impacts that it would have on the city. This is a proposal .... it has not gone to the Board yet .... In the agreement at this point, it is just consultation without a mechanism. Baker/ Does that mean we still determine whether or not we are going to extend it? Franklin/ That is right. Baker/ .... Franklin/ Because you have the authority to extend that two miles or not by state law, I would say that you would have the authority, then, in the future to extend that .... at point in time when annexation occurs, it is recorded as a matter of policy that you are not going to extend the two mile, I think you would have to take some formal public action to then extend it and inform the county of your intentions to do so. I would guess... things would probably have already been at some state with the county that would have made you decide that you wanted to do that. Baker/ We don't preclude ourselves from having the abi!~ty to do that in the future? Franklin/ No. Norton/ Franklin/ That power rests with the city to extend that two miles as the power of zoning rests with the county. Norton/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of May 20, 1996, WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 17 Nov/ If we had agreed at some point not to extend it and later changed our minds, we would have to justify that in some way. Franklin/ ...have to go through some kind of public process and go through some action to do it. Vanderhoef/ .... possibility that we are offering this... state law allows the two miles automatic... what would be wrong with just asking the county if they had any requests for us not to take the two mile instead of going into negotiation with every little single thing that comes along .... If they choose to raise an issue with us, fins, then we can talk about it. Norton/ Vanderhoef/ .... review the Fringe every three years .... Franklin/ That is not going to set well with them. This two mile thing is a very important thing with the Board. Norton/ Kubb¥/ Franklin/ It will be done as part of the annexation process .... depends on how much debate there is about it .... I think we would find .o. question would be raised by the county each time. I guess I would advise you that because this is such a sensitive issue that with a number of the Board members in terms of the automatic extension, that we extend that consultation to them on a more- Kubby/ Do it with some kind of time frame knowledge that we need to hear from yeu by this date .... Franklin/ We would need to have time specific in which they get back to us with any objections. Kubby/ If they snooze, they lose. Vanderhoef/.. or step it back to every two years and only review those things they choose to review at the two year time. Nov/ I wouldn't go for two years ..... we are going to extend the two mile limits unless we hear from you. Hearing no objection, it will be in effect in 30 days or whatever number you put in. Thisrepresents only areasonably accuratetranscrlption oftha Iowa City coun~l meeting of May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 18 Franklin/ So you are in line with Dee saying that we would just go ahead and extend it unless we hear otherwise? Nov/ No .... Franklin/ Are you saying that we would automatically extend unless we heard otherwise? What I am saying is there is a lot of sensitivity on the Board about this and I think if we take that approach that it is going to make some difficulties with this agreement. Nov/ I am talking about a case by case basis. Franklin/ In some cases we would say we don't feel we need to extend it two miles for this annexation, we only want to extend one mile. Nov/ Right .... correspondence with every annexation and a request for a response. Norton/ ... you want a deadline so they have to respond. Council/ Kubby/ How we do it for rezonings... they ask for an opinion about rezoning... we send them a letter saying we request that you deny it or approve it .... It would be a letter, not a big meeting .... Nov/ We don't annex a property very often... plan to extend... ask for a response. Kubby/ I am not willing to give them the power of negotiation .... I don't want to give that power that the state gave to the cities away. Vanderhoef/ Norton/ Matter of courtesies involved here and how it is put to them. Lehman/... It is a courtesy. Nov/ I don't think we need to schedule a meeting on every annexation. Franklin/ I think we are all together on that. This mpr~nts only arc~onably accurate Uansc~ptlon of ~elows City council meeting of May20,1996, WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 19 Appeals Board. What is proposed here .... Nov/ This is a brand new creature. Franklin/ What is proposed... is a group that is made up of one Council member, one Board member, one County Zoning Commission member, one City Zoning Commision member and a fifth at large .... The stickier thing is what decision is made by this Board and what power they have .... I have had conversations with Pat White and Linda .... The zoning authority rests with the Board of Supervisors. We cannot just give that to another entity because that is set by state law. If you like the idea of an Appeals Board, the next step... is for the attorneys to get together and figure out how this is done .... whether this Board is recommending to the Board of Supervisors or what it is. Pat White has suggested a joint City/County P/Z Commission for the two mile area which would be a new beast for Johnson County .... Nov/ It was Prairie City. Franklin/ Woito/ It won't take that long. Pat and I talked today° The only way you can really do it... Joint Board of Adjustment, presuming that we have the same Zoning Ordinances .... Franklin/ I mean parties coming together and agreeing that this should be done jointly. Woito/ That would be a long time. There is really no way legally that you could have this Appeals Board have any legal affect .... sort of a mediating group .... differing opinions... merely advisory .... Lehman/ That has a certain appeal to me. Woito/ That they would not be ultimately deciding anything. It would be recommendatory only. Nov/ .... just advisory° Kubby/ All of our appeals boards... none of them are elected officials .... have it not be .... not the elected officials .... Nov/ Thisrepresents only areasonably accum~ transcription ofthslowa Cl~ council mee~ng of May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work session Page 20 Baker/ Criteria here... these things go through our Planning Commission anyway .... Franklin/ These things... This Board or group was envisioned to deal with those instances in which the city and county had a difference of opinion about a particular request that was out there and that it varied from the Fringe Agreement° Nov/ An appeal from a property owner to do something that was not in the Fringe Area Agreement .... they would have this Board of Appeals to go to .... Baker/ Lehman/ I think that is exactly what we are talking about. Franklin/ When somebody wanted to do something different than what was permitted under the Fringe Agreement. Kubby/ We let people do that all of the time. Franklin/ Nov/ Lehman/ We came up with the Board .... Nov/ Norton/ Do you think it makes sense to have it w~th representatives from the bodies? Nov/ Yes. Norton/ Baker/Appeals Board... when there is a clear option for appeal, we are going to find more and more appeals. Kubby/ .... what good is the Fringe Area Agreement .... Lehman/ That Board has no authority. Kubby/ There is a lot of people on this Council... I am going to trust that.° It does have power... put trust.. in the group who put the time in... It does have power. Thisrepresents only ereasonably ac~ratetrans~iptlon of ~elowa City coundl meeting of MBy 20,1996. WS052095 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 21 Lehman/ If it doesn't have influence, then it is a waste of time° Kubby/ Lehman/ I am not sure it has to be council.. and supervisors .... Franklin/ One other option is to not go down this road at all at this point and see how the agreement works because it will be new. It is going into it with good faith .... Kubby/ ... can amend the agreement .... Franklin/ Sure .... Baker/ ... we still have the right to take them to court? Franklin/ Yes, you could if they were in violation of the Fringe Agreement .... Baker/ Woito/ Pat White has been inviting us to do for five years. Baker/ ...we have just never exercised that power. Woito/ He has suggested that a Fringe Agreement is an agreement that is not being adhered to by some people and he has suggested that we could take them to task. Norton/ Baker/ We don't need an agreement on the Appeals Board... to get the Fringe Agreement settled, do we? Franklin/ It is a factor that is out there .... They are aware of some of the difficulties with it... Kubby/ What are we kind of giving up and what are we gaining from all of these different versions?... I always feel that we are giving so much away because the state gives us the power to do things a certain way. Anything that we do that is different from that is giving away some of that influence... We have already said clustering is not mandatory... B & C we are going to go twice the density... that those two things are maybe big things. If we don't want to do the appeals... maybe they need to give something Upo Thl~epresen~ only aroasonebly accurate ~anscrlptlon of the Iowa Citycouncil meeting of May 20, 1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 22 Norton/ .... Kubby/ Norton/ And we have compromised some on not requiring clustering and they came up with the incentive thing. That seems to me a pretty decent bargain. Kubby/ I am not that interested in the Appeals Board .... go for the three years. Franklin/ Are you willing to go to two years if the Appeals Board is dropped? Kubby/ It has taken us so long to do this .... Nov/ Lehman/ How often does the City Council and Board of Supervisors meet together and just discuss stuff? Kubby/ Theoretically we meet every six months. It has been like 20 months. Thornberry/ .o. go to one of their meetings and bring it up. Norton/ Vanderhoef/ It could expire in two years and we could go back with state law until they renegotiate a new one, Franklin/ Is the conclusion that you would like to drop the Appeals Board and substitute in language regarding amendment to the Fringe Agreement if something really nifty comes along? Lehman/ The only thing... I really felt that the county was much more willing to make changes in some of the Fringe Areas if they felt there was a mechanism by which individual things could be reviewed if necessary .... if there could be a Appeals Board that could review this even if it has no power .... They felt that Appeals Board had a great deal of value as far as they were concerned. Nov/ That is true°.. Since then they have compromised on those changes rather than just agreeing on them. Kubby/ And we have changed .... This represents only e reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of May 20. 1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 23 Nov/ I have no objection to trying an Appeals Board. Lehman/ I don't either. Nov/ If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. Baker/ I just haven't seen a description of the Appeals Board that I understand it workable .... membership, criteria, binding nature .... Norton/ We know it can't be binding. Nov/ It could be three staff members .... anything .... The exact composition does not have to be set. Baker/ Franklin/ Both the cluster concept, the 50% and the 80% and the set aside with an outlot has to go back to the Board if you all agree with that. The three year review and Board of Appeals, those are basically the issues to get those hammered out. Baker/ .. We have a Fringe Agreement in place now. What is the advantage to us to make these changes? Franklin/ To haue greater clarity in what the position is of the city and the county regarding zoning .... two basic authorities that each body has. The county can zone. The city essentially controls the plats with the standards that are imposed and we can impose city standards for the entire two miles. In exchange for getting some authority over the zoning, you are modifying the standards which you impose on those subdivisions within two miles. That is what this is all about. Kubby/ Franklin/ The language in the agreement that we are dealing with now is much more explicit than the one that we have in place .... getting some clarity .... Thornberry/ Could I go out into the Fringe area, outside the city limits of Iowa City .... buy three acres of land and build a house? Franklin/ Depends on where you went. If you go north, yes you could° If you go east, south or west and you are in the growth area, you could if it is already zoned RS and then you would Thtsrepmsents only areasonably accuratet~nscrlpfion of ~elowa CI~ council me~ing of May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 24 build to city standards. Or you could buy the three acres, buy the three acres, annex it to Iowa City and build an urban subdivision. Thornberry/ Only if it is contiguous. Franklin/ If you are in the areas in B & C outside the growth area, no you couldn't... you would need 40 .... Nov/ You are talking about the future Fringe Area Agreement. What if you wanted three acres under the current agreement? Franklin/ Under the current agreement... if you go north and you were on the east side of Hwy 1 and the moon is full, you could buy your three acres and build a house. If you are on the west side of Hwy 1, you could not .... If you went south and east, you might be able to get it rezoned for development at all .... Kubby/ The new proposal is much more simplified .... Council/ (All talking). Kubby/ It is called planned and managed growth .... Nov/ I thinkwe pretty wellwrapped up this discussion for tonight. Thank you, Karin. Kubby/ I would like to have some summary before we kind of drift off to the next issue. Nov/ We are going to get a summary. Karin has been taking notes. Franklin/ You want me to write up a summary and get it back to you before I go to the Board? .... verbalize it here and now? Nov/ All right, we will do it that way. Franklin/ That there is general agreement on Areas B & C, 40 acres at 4 units and the cluster concept allow you high density in the area C and in Area A, 50 and 80% set aside° Norton/ And the 40 acre minimum. Franklin/ That annexation will be on a case by case basis in terms of extension of the two miles. We will make a proposal and give the Board a date specific within which to respond. Three year review period. The Board of Appeals is troublesome. That Thisrepresents only areasonably accumtetrans~lptlon of thelowa CI~ council meeting of May20, 1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 25 these are not clear direction from the Council as to whether you want to have an Appeals Board or not which is somewhat related to the difficulty of the composition of the Board as well as the authority° Norton/ And RS-3 and 1 up north. RS-1 with clustering. Franklin/ RS-3 in A; RS with cluster. Thornberry/ Let it be known that it is not unanimous .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of May 20, 1996, WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 26 Airport Master Plan Report 96-62 S1 Nov/ Okay, Airport Plan Report. Jerry start this one? (Searle) are you going to Council/ Jerry Searle/ McClure Engineering Company, Ankeny, Iowa and this evening it is certainly a pleasure to present the Airport Layout Plan to the Council for your review and comment and we look forward to any comments that you may have. We have prepared an exhibit .... depicts existing conditions as well as future improvements .... I would like to begin first with Runway 6/24, this will be our primary runway .... (refers to map)°.. 154 foot in width and we are proposing an extension of 800 feet on Runway 06 end as well as displacement of Runway 2/4 end .... This gives us effective overall accelerate stop distance and take off distance available of 5,015 feet .... We need to do two things.°. acquire additional land... approximately 14.7 acres (refers to map) and additional 1.1 acre as well as mobile home park, consisting of approximately 5.1 acres. We would also propose relocation of Dane Road .... drainage way .... We did prepare colored exhibit .... extensions as well as runway protection zones... relocated drainage way .... 80 foot r.o.w. with 31 foot street. We would propose that this road be constructed from the existing Dane Road .... intersect with Mormon Trek and extend to the property lineo.. arterial street intersecting with Dane farther to the south .... relocation of a service road to the out building .... raising all the imaginary surfaces .... have approximately 140 obstructions identified in 1990 .... we eliminate all but 55 of those. Thornberry/ You said raising the runway elevation. How far down the runway would that elevation be raised? Searle/ We would have a maximum of 2% centerline slope on this runway .... this end becomes the highest point on runway surface .... 684 feet above sea level (refers to map). Thornberry/ Then you would have a 2% downgrade from 0/6, how far? Searle/°. safety area extending out 1000 feet, 400 foot in width... downward slope of 1%. Thornberry/ Thisrepresents only ereesonebly accurate~anscrlpfion of ~elowa Ci~ council meeting of May 20,1996, WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 27 Searle/ It would extend 2% back to a point ...1200 foot back. Thornberry/ Searle/ If you look at one of the profile sheets .... it is rather pronounced rate change .... I will show you what it looks like. Kubby/ Things that are X tall seem shorter because you have raised it more .... Searle/ ..... We do have a centerline profile that clearly illustrates the profile of the entire runway as well as the extension .... We do have 1000 foot runway safety area on each runway end..° declared distances... is 5,015 feet. Landing distance available is 4,205 feet. On runway 2/4 end,... accommodate .... accommodate an approach light system... extends out 1400 feet (refers to map). The other improvements... are on runway 12/30 .... existing easement that was acquired some years ago... represents an area that we need additional acquisition. We would propose that we acquire that entire parcel in fee title .... Kubby/ ... related to the property that is asking to be rezoned from industrial to commercial .... Atkins/ See the Menards building, it is that little triangle ... right there (refers to map). Searle/ (Refers to map) .... The other proposed acquisitions would involve obtaining easements... east of Riverside Drive over existing development as well as beyond runway 24 (refers to map) .... There would be no modification to the building .... Kubby/ Are you saying that the Airliner Motel can be saved? Searle/ No, we would also propose the acquisition of the motel~ the three unit apartment as well as this mobile home park... (refers to map) .... connect the public access and r.o.w that extends along here back to here to Riverside with a public street and then with the closure of 17/35.. this area then is available for commercial and industrial development ..... Baker/ ...Airliner and apartment complex..° but you only need a small portion of that but you are going to want more? Searle/ We want to keep the option open to take the entire parcel if that would be beneficial to the folks that currently own Thisrepresents only ares$onabl¥ accuratetranscrlption ofthelowe City coenc~l meeting of Mey 20,1996, WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session it ..... If we have a remnant or a piece left over, in their best interest to dispose of it ..... Page 28 it would be CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 96-62 SIDE 2 Searle/ ... our whole position then... ought to make it right with the folks that have that property. Also associated with that will be the removal of the United Hangar. Thornberry/ ..... trailer park.. Why take ~he whole thing when it looks lake you only need lake one tra~ler .... That is going to be a very difficult purchase. Searle/ What we need... runway obstacle free area is (refers to map). About four units right there .... building restriction lineo There would be another four or so there .... Thornberry/ ...why take it away and sell it for commercial? Searle/ Within this piece right here... that parcel does extend all the way up. Kubby/ .... Searle/ What we would ultimately do... obtain r.o.w through it... provide public r.o.w that would connect these two points right here .... (refers to map)... commercial industrial tract... higher and better use... Vanderhoef/ But that street could go in that clear zone .... Searle/ ... as long as we maintain a 15 foot vertical clearance between the approach slope and the roadway itself .... Thornberry/ Could you point to the motel? Searle/ (Refers to map). Eleven units. Thornberry/ Where is Alexis Park? Searle/ (Refers to map) .... Thornberry/ .... at the end of 2/4, what kind of approach? Searle/ We would maintain a medium intensive approach light system that would extend (refers to map) .... Thisrepresents only areasoneblyaccuratetranscriptlon of ~elowe Cltycoun~l meeting of May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 29 Thornberry/ Searle/ A number of obstructions to that (refers to map) .... Nov/ When you talk about Dane Road... where is Hwy 17 Searle/ (Refers to map). Right here. We have a signalized intersection here .... The road extended along the ridge line (refers to map). We just changed the alignment of this° Nov/ Your current road is the one that goes up to Hwy 1. Searle/ The current road is right there. In the future.. bring it in like this and back here .... extend the r.o.w down to this line... This becomes a service road or a local street (refers to map). This is the future arterial street .... Kubby/ Would we ever close the current Dane Road between the service road and north to Hwy 17 Searle/ This will be closed .... like to...acquire the land inside this runway protection zone along this line here (refers to map) .... easement within this small area here .... four lots... 370 foot deep .... could be fairly viable lots. o. good access... We would have an alignment established to extend a service road .... Thornberry/ Will this reflect the changes that you discussed with John Dane? Searle/ Yes. Thornberry/ And he is in agreement with this? Searle/ The last time I talked to him. Thornberry/ I talked to him yesterday and he was. Searle/ Okay, as of yesterday we are right on. Norton/ How much new avigation rights do you have to get on 2/4? Searle/ Since this is a displaced threshold, we have two types of departures .... the inner one is called an approach RPZ, the outer one is called departure RPZ (refers to map) .... right to fly over the area .... We have not bought an interest in that particular property. We would like to negotiate with that .... Thisrepresents only areasonably accurate transcription of ~elowa City council meeting ~ May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 30 Norton/ Searle/ Let me put it this way, it is out opinion and FAA's opinion that first we would like to oYm the area encompassed by the runway protection zone in fee title to have absolute control over the property. Secondly, if that cannot be accomplished .... then the second thing is to acquire some other interest .... avigation easement .... it does not mean that those structures would be removed or relocated ..... Nov/ It would mean that someone who owned the structure could not add on to it. Searle/ If it would go through the approach slope .... gives us another basis. Thornberry/ Feed store at end of 3/0 is going to go up more... Searle/ Once we raise this airport elevation .... that is no longer a real problem for us .... certainly something we would want to ¢hecko The Tall Structures Ordinance, FAA Part 77, which is enforced, basically extends out 10,000 feet beyond runway 2/4 and 5,000 beyond each of the other runways to form.. the horizontal surface .... another 4,000 feet .... really need to pay attention to the entire area..° extends over 4-5 mile area .... Kubby/ I didn't really realize how much affect the airport has ..... I have been talking with Jerry and Karen Countryman and Marcia Klingaman about let people know the positive things that are going to happen in their neighborhood .... tree replacement .... so they don't become an obstruction later .... negative aspects of what could happen in neighborhoods .... Searle/ It is really a safety issue .... enhancing or protecting airspace around the airport .... safe operating environment as possible° Kubby/ Tree replacement ratio that is greater than 1:1 .... do that as well with any tree obstruction... city property .... Searle/ We did establish a budget... obstruction mitigation .... cost in there for pole and power line location .... Also have set aside a budget for tree mitigation .... We can determine what that ratio is .... In addition to those areas that we would have to remove trees..° city property (refers to map) .... ¥~at we would like to do .... area here (refers to Thisrepresents only a reasonably accurate Banscrlptlon of ~elowa Ci~ council maetlng of May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 council Work Session Page 31 map) .... create an environmental corridor .... (refers to map) .... prairie wetland areas along in here .... Kubby/ Searle/ I think as part of the mitigation plan, it is not only removing the tree or lowering the tree it is doing something with is in a real constructive manner .... can do that here on airport property. Kubby/ Possible to have like a walking trail in certain areas? Searle/ Approach FAA .... extend a trail up along here (refers to map)... extend trail along this corridor .... Kubby/ Willow Creek Trail... planned to go through airport property? Vanderhoef/ It is planned to come on down through Galway and come clear on down and get across there ..... always talked about going south to the airport. Searle/ Interceptor sewer .... We will have the utility corridor going through here as well .... number of corridors going through there... It can all be done quite well in conjunction with the airport .... Taking land... identifying a use which we think is in the best interest of the community or suggesting a use .... Would you like to touch on cost a little bit? .... Kubby/ I want a summary of stuff we are going to have to buy. Two mobile home parks... a motel. Searle/ A s.f. residence right here. Kubby/ And some navigation easements. Nov/ Do the bottom number .... Searle/ The number for the improvements that we talked about .... I did prepare an estimate of cost and the bottom line number... do include the apron area .... apron area is basically expanded twice the size that it is now ..... (refers to map) .... Total cost is .... $9.7 million. Kubby/ It doesn't mean we do all of this at once .... Searle/ ..°phased in some sort of stage .... influenced by the Thlsrepresentsonly areasonablyaccuratetranscrlpfionof ~elowaCl~ councilmeeting of May20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 32 availability of federal funds .... Nov/ This is 90% federal funds. If the FAA approves the plans, they fund 90% of it. searle/ Now you want the break down of the various pieces .... break out these costs... 14 items: -Land acquisition $2.7 million ~Grading and drainage $1.3 million ~Dane Road Relocation $2257,000 -Runway 06 Extension Paving $1.2 million -Parallel Taxi Way $1.2 million -Runway Lighting $400,000 .... Thornberry/ Searle/ This will greatly enhance the level of safety. Kubby/ Thinking in terms of priority... in terms of looking all the safety issues .... I am going to be looking to the Airport Commission to help make that priority list. Lehman/ Do you estimates also include removal of 17/357 Searle/ No. We did not show a full parallel taxi way on 12/30 .... (Refers to map). Dick Blum/ (Can't hear). Kubby/ If by aircraft count it is used more, wouldn't that the safety issue then .... Blum/ The difference is it has to do with when it is used. 12/30 is typically used by smaller aircraft in good weather. 62/4 is going to be the instrument runway .... larger faster aircraft .... visibility is limite~ .... from a safety point of view, the FAA is going to want your primary instrument runway to be cleared as quickly as possible .... Searle/ ...talking about a 20 year development schedule on some of these items.°. cost associated with this taxi way .... Blum/ ...aircraft that are using 12/30 are slower, smaller aircraft. Searle/ We did set aside for other budget items: -Rehab of Runway 12/30 $300,00 Thisrepresents only areasonably accurme ~anscrlpfion of ~elows City council meeting ~ M~ 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 33 -Rehab to construct taxi way Runway 3/0 $300,000 -Obstruction mitigation $400,000 -Apron $1.3 million Lehman/ How about renovation of the terminal? Searle/ The renovation of the terminal we estimated using $15 square foot ..... half of that terminal building is needed for public purpose... 2500 square foot .... Baker/ Jerry.. phased in projects... Is there a prescribed sequence? .... Specify order they have to occur in? Searle/ Land acquisition- Baker/ When you break down the cost, we will have a sense of when things have to be done? Searle/ Yes and the Commission will have some input in establishing priority and FAA will have some input .... Norton/ What about avigation costs for easements?... Searle/ That is included in the land acquisition. On fee title we used the figure of $2.2 million; avigation easements $70,000; relocation $370,000 and appraisals and negotiations $100,000 for grand total of $2.7 million... land acquisition. Kubby/ Can you talk a little bit about why we need such a big apron? .... Searle/ The kinds of aircraft today .... It is hard to find a place to park sometimes .... (refers to map) .... Needs to be space... needs to be place where you can actually tie and keep the airplane... FAA's methodology... half of those on peak days are on the ground ...... we should have 131 foot distance between the closest parking on either side of this taxiway .... We don't have it... providing safety areas. Kubby/ Searle/ We have five permanent tie downs. Kubby/ Blum/ This represents only arsasonably accurate transcription of ~elowaCl~ cou~lctl meeting of May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 34 Searle/ Please mention the name change. Blum/ We have proposed the Iowa City Industrial Airport as our new name ..... Kubb¥/ Blul~/ We want to cove the idea that it is an industrial airpark .... space for industrial activity ..... Kubby/ There is going to be commercial and industrial .... I just want to make sure it is not a misnomer. Blum/ Thornberry/ There have been studies on names of airports .... Thisrepresents only areasonably accurate ~ens=Iptlon ofthelowa Clty counclt meeting of May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 35 Airport HanGar Construction Bid 96-62 S2 Nov/ We are going to talk about airport hangar construction. Howard Horan/ Chair of Airport Commission... bid opening on commercial hangar which we would like to locate south of the existing terminal building. The lowest bid was from Henningsen Construction Company... $356,000... other bids were well over $400,000 .... simple decision .... They have a lot of experience in building hangars .... Our intention is to find a long term client who can occupy this and support their own industry and own business... generate other activity... several prospects .... Come up with a rent figure that would amortize this cost in a way that was reasonable for business... Like the longest possible lease that you can get .... We feel like we have some excellent candidates .... Nov/ It says 10,000 square feet... then it says there is another 800 square feet of office and I am not sure if that was in the 10,000 square feet or in addition to that. Horan/ I think we are meaning to put that as kind of a lean-to on the edge of it .... Norton/ What time period for loan repayment? Horan/ That really is up in the air .... What company would happily step up and make a 20-30 year commitment? Kubby/ I am interested..rents are market rate and secondly are comparable to rents in equivalent facilities in surrounding areas .... Horan/ We have been very concerned about the property around the airport and on the airport itself to make sure that we are leasing at fair market value .... Kubby/ .... We are voting on a resolution tomorrow night without really knowing what rents are going to be ..... important issue .... Horan/ We would like to think that we could establish a rent of about $2500 a month... in the ballpark of fair market value and doable business. Thornberry/ How big of door on this hangar? Horan/ It is going to be 75 by 20 foot door .... ideal.. we would This ~presen~ only a reasonably sccumtetranscrlption ~ ~elowa CIw council meeting of May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 36 like to support a King Air or something like that .... Thornberry/ ...You were looking .... talking at one time of having a door on the west and a door on the south. Did you opt for just a door on the west? .... Horan/ I think we are heading for a door on the south at this point .... This is going to be above the flood plain .... Thornberry/ o.. I am apprehensive of voting for this, Howard, due to the fact that you have no contracts .... Kubby/ I think that is a real legitimate concern .... Horan/ We really wanted to make this happen as soon as possible .... Thornberry/ If you had even 3/4s of this amount .... But I just really can't without any contracts at all. Horan/ Thornberry/ A waiting list I don't think we have. Kubby/ The other hangars are a much lower cost .... Nov/ But you are talking about per plane .... Thornberry/ What is the income generated from the new T-hangar? Horan/ .... $125 .... It is also a matter of business economics .... Norton/ Kubby/ Thornberry/ I had my commercial all rented before I built the building. Baker/ This vote tomorrow night obligates us to loan the money to build it. Nov/ This is the contract to build it. We can defer if there are enough people who want to do that. Kubby/ ...like it to be 50% committed... Thisrepresents only areasonebty accuratetranscrlption ofthelowa Ci~council meeting ~ May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 37 Baker/ What is the turn around time on getting it passed and getting it constructed?... Horan/ Want to have it done by fall .... If we have it leased and spoken for in next 30 days... we would have it done by fall .... Baker/ If you got contracts... guarantee it in three months... Horan/ The bids are good to the end of this week. / (Can't understand). Atkins/ Not necessarily reubid. You could probably talk to the contractor if they would give you a short extension .... Nov/ .o. We meet every two weeks. Horan/ We have some prospects and we have some good feelings... We would like to get this one going .... Thornberry/ you have a fairly good commitment that if you have got some contracts, you can come back .... Vanderhoef/ I can wait. Nov/ I am going to move for a short break .... Thlsrepresen~ only areasonably accurate transcription ofthe Iowa City council meeting of May 20, 1996. WS052096 May 20, I996 Council Work Session Page 38 Transit Low Income Fares 96-62 S2 Nov/ Joe Fowler/ The ordinance that is before you now has been amended from the first consideration... Linda thought it was best that we spell out all fees that were charged by Transit. The first one just changed the standard fare and the monthly pass .... This goes back and includes all the fares that were enacted .... actually spelled out in the ordinance. Nov/ The Bus and Shop coupons are not going to be increased in price? Fowler/ No, they are going to stay at $.35. Kubby/ ..°recognized as part of economic development. Lehman/ Commitment that we made to DTA last fall. Fowler/ We made a commitment for one year trial period. Lehman/ We have under special fares, we have elderly fares $.25 non-peak hours. That has nothing to do with income? Fowler/ That is correct. Lehman/ What is the age level? Fowler/ ...we don't know. We are not sure if it is 60 or 65 .... 51 will work .... The Treasury Division sells all those special permits .... Baker/ A prepaid pass? Fowler/ Yes° Nov/ Kubby/ You have a special card. It is not prepaid. It just shows that you can pay just $.25. Norton/ I don't understand this .... Lehman/ Just because you met an age requirement, I don't think you should be entitled to ride a bus for $.25 instead of $.75. Fowler/ Part of the thought process on the $.25 elderly and no fare Thisrepresents only oreasonobly occnrmetranscripfion ofthslowo Ciw council meeting of M~ 20.1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 council Work Session Page 39 non-peak for low income elderly and for handicap was to encourage people to use the fixed route .... Baker/ We are taking the elderly out of para-transit .... low income I understand. Handicap I understand. Nov/ ... SEATS cost $1.50 ..... CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 96-63 SIDE 1 Norton/ And ability to ride. Nov/ Wasn't there an age at which you didn't have to prove it? 75? Kubby/ I think there was mixed discussion on that. We haven't gone through all the SEATS stuff .... Norton/ Some break to get people to ride on non-peak hours .... Nov/ ...now it is 1/3. Thornberry/ Just because you have reached an age .... Norton/ I think it is inappropriate myself .... flexibility of schedules and trying to encourage them into non-peak hours. Baker/ Norton/ I say give a non-peak break. If you do it with SEATS, I will do it here. No elderly, period .... Lehman/ We are already giving low income elderly free rides and that is fine. But if they don't otherwise qualify, I really don't think that just because they are over a certain age, you can ride for $.25. Nov/ Do you want to take it out or do you want to change the price? Council/ Just remove it. Kubby/ The only thing that is not in there is what the low income for the pass is going to be. Nov/ I still think if you are offering elderly persons an incentive to ride non-peak hours, maybe you ought to give $.50 rather than $°75. Thisrepresents only areasonablyaccurate ~8ns=iptlon oftholowa CIw coun~l meeting of May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 40 Baker/ We are not offering that incentive to elderly non peak hours. Woito/ You had at least six. Norton/ You had six who wanted to cut it out all together. Nov/ Baker/ Low income was the 200 figure. Nov/ What are you doing with the elderly non low income? Thornberry/ Eliminating them. Nov/ Do it today in order to giYe them $.25 fare? Fowler/ They fill out through the Treasury Division a form and the Treasury Division issues them their pass. Nov/ I can come into the Treasury Division and say I am X years old and they will just give me a pass that allows me to pay $.25? Norton/ It has got to be consistent with SEATS ..... Thornberry/ We haven't finished that conversation about elderly and SEATS. Lehman/ Make the other one consistent with this one. Kubby/ .... This is happening on July 1 .... What about outlining the discount for the pass for low income households. We talked about doing that .... how much it will be and eligibility .... We said by going to a $25 pass that we committed ourselves to having a discount for low income riders who aren't elderly or people with disabilities .... We went to $25 if there was a discount .... Nov/ There is a discount here for strip tickets ..... Kubby/ For strip tickets... the strategy was for people who wouldn't find it economically feasible because they don't ride that often to buy a bus pass .... They could buy strip tickets that would encourage them to ride more frequently because they got a small break .... Nov/ That is every bit a good a break as a bus pass in terms of ~hls mpresen~ only areasonably accur~etranscriptlon ofthelowa CiW council m6etlng of Moy 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 41 cost per ride. You would break even on a monthly bus pass at $.65 a ride. Lehman/ Nov/ So you are offering a break to someone regardless of income so as long as they ride two days a week? Kubby/ We want to encourage ridership ..... increasing ridership. Nov/ What kind of break are you going to offer low income? Kubby/ This is for the pass for someone who would ride everyday to work .... Nov/ You break even on a pass at $.65 ..... and it has a time limit on it... incentive to buy a strip ticket. Baker/ Two different goals... to ride the bus rather than drive°.. and low income is a different .... low income deserves a break in various city services. Kubb¥/ Naomi's point is we can do both goals with a strip ticket .... matter of convenience... Why not give people a choice .... ? Nov/ Kubby/ Maybe we need to make the discount bigger for the pass. Vanderhoef/ I had questioned right away the $6.50 for ten rides .... $7.00 was more appropriate .... Kubby/ I thought the last time we talked... do this for a year to see what happens .... Vanderhoef/ Nov/ .... I think a $.10 a ride discount for low income is adequate. Lehman/ Vanderhoef/ 40 rides at $.65 a ride° Baker/ How does this other discussion that we have had about having a consistent city policy on low income discounts fit into Thisrepresents only areasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowa CiW council meeting of May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 42 Transit .... once criteria for a low income policy across the Board for city services. Kubby/ It is not finished yet... Baker/ On water and sewer it is like 50% for the minimum. Nov/ If you qualify on several criteria .... you want to get people a break on bus passes? They may never ride the bus .... Lehman/ I don't think the discount needs to be consistent but the policy needs to be. Eligibility needs to be. Norton/ Baker/ We can have different rates but a consistent eligibility. Nov/ Steve we have some low income discounts on Rec center swimming things? Kubby/ 50% discount. Atkins/ Yes. Trueblood/ It is not just swimming. It is virtually anything that isn't entry fee or drop in fee that we allow for low income discount on .... monthly passes, season passes and punch cards... Nov/ Are you using the same criteria that we had for water or are you using something else? Trueblood/ Ours is based upon the free and reduced lunch program .... school system°.. Nov/ It is a different set of criteria. Norton/ We had a list of five different activities any of which you qualified for, you could qualify for low income. I saw that somewhere. Kubby/ That was for city utilities. Norton/ Any one of those defines a low income person. Let's set a number for a pass. Let's make it $20 and be done with it. Lehman/ Done. Thlsrepresonts only sreasonobly eccuretetranscrlptlon oftbelows City council meeting of May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 43 Norton/ For a low income pass and against any one of those criteria that you listed earlier Steve. Atkins/ I had a rather large chart and we are trying to shrink that down to a card to do... we haven't gotten there yet. Norton/ We still know the five basic criteria. If they are in one of those programs, they qualify. They get a pass for $20 .... Kubby/And if we change our eligibility with our consistent policy then we go back to every ordinance... Nov/ so we can use the same eligibility criteria for every discount? Arkins/ That is what I heard you tell me today. You are trying to do that and that is the goal. Baker/ One certification. Kubby/ Do people want that outlined in the ordinance? We would X the elderly and add the low income pass discount in the ordinance. Lehman/ Right. Vanderhoef/ Are we going to leave strip tickets alone or are we going to change those? Lehman/ Leave them in and try it. Kubby/ We are taking out the elderly pass and adding in the low income monthly pass at ~ e~0. Arkins/... Woito/ Just amend it on the floor. Atkins/ I was willing to see that another ordinance was prepared and give it to you. Norton/ .... Woito/ I will just stick it in for tomorrow. I am putting it under special fares. Okay. Council/ (All talking)° Thisrepresents only areosonably aocur~e ~anscrlptlon of ~elowa Citycouncil me~ing of May 20.1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 44 Nov/ On you list of charges for the city transit vehicle and operator per hour it says $45 plus a fuel tax surcharge. Tell me why the $30 fee it was at for the vehicle does not have a fuel tax surcharge? Fowler/ It probably should. Nov/ Can we add it in? Fowler/ Yes. Nov/ Thank you. Kubby/ ..°purpose of having three readings is that modifications can be made .... Nov/ Anything else? Baker/ When are we going to talk about ramps and meters? Lehman/ It is scheduled... 28th .... Nov/ Time permitting. If we have a very long meeting with the Library Board, we may decide to defer that. Baker/ ... As long as it gets done by July 1. Norton/ Tomorrow night when this issue comes up about ... Transit rates, are amendments going to have to be made because we are on the second consideration? Thornberry/ I think Linda said that it was going to be changed. Woito/ You have voted on it. The language on plus fuel, that is just clarifying° Only thing you have really substantively changed and this is a substantive change is the low income monthly pass and you still want to have free non-peak hours for the low income elderly and handicapped. Get rid of those? Low income elderly is still free, non-peak. Baker/ Handicap is still free, non peak. Woito/ Okay. Kubby/ Can you change that verbiage from handicap to people with disabilities? Thisrepresents only e reasonably accuratetranscription oftholowa City council meeting of May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 45 Norton/ Woito/ Since low income monthly pass is something new, I would appreciate an amendment. Kubby/ We could have an amendment with all the changes incorporated. Thornberry/ Woito/ Proceed. Kubby/ So we amend it, we vote yes on second consideration and then two weeks later we vote on third. Norton/ One is to delete the elderly and one is to add the $20 pass for low income. Kubby/ One for the surcharge and change in wording from "handicapped" to "people with disabilities." Council/ Thls represents only e reasonably accurate transcription of the loire City council meeting of May 20, 1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 46 Mercer Park Facility Expansion Nov/ Mercer Park .... 96-63 John Beasley/ I am part of the P/R Foundation .... We are here to talk to you about additional gym space in Iowa City... Project that called Mercer Park Expansion. Mr. Atkins met with us several months ago... need a plan .... We got a plan and we are here to tell you what it is and get your reaction and thoughts on it .... I want to tell you a little bit about the process .... How we arrived at this plan. The P/R Commission .... August 1993 set additional gym space as a nunuber one priority for capital improvements... Commission or referendum, projects had Mercer Park Expansion as number two and additional space or expansion of the d.t. Rec Center as number 1 .... Mike Gatens... came to a Commission meeting one night and said .... we need more space .... So we began batting around the need in Iowa City for additional gym space .... Foundation began discussing how to accommodate that demand. We formed a group and we hired Kevin Munson to essentially brainstorm and put together three or four concepts .... take those concepts and narrow them down to one plan and our plan took into consideration several factors .... Accommodate as many different types of uses are we could think of .... basketball courts .... spaces that could accommodate volleyball... groups who like to walk .... meeting space... aerobics groups .... We then had to factor in the cost of the project .... trimming it back down to something that we thought could actually happen... Talking about how we are going to pay for it .... Let's try to do a project without having to go to a referendum .... impressed with soccer fields where a group did private fund raising .... Talked about financing of the project... We developed the plan... We put together a citizens group from all over Iowa City .... Harry Ostrander, Tom Cilek, Darrel Courthey, Mary Ann Brown ..... to have them come in and shoot down our plan... positive suggestions .... brainstorm .... made more modifications to the plan ...... Modifications to the plan..o We finally developed a model that Terry can talk to you about .... School district involved... We have written the school district .... This week we are going to meet with Jerry Palmer... get their input and see if they have interest in pursuing it .... Terry showed you the actual plan. Kubby/ If the P/R Commission's #1 priority was additional space at the Gilbert Street location- Beasely/ I can tell you two reasons .... there is space on the west side .... Mercer Park has already been designed to add onto .... Thlsrepr~ents only areasonably accuratetranscription of thelowe City council meeting ~ May 20,1996. WS052095 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 47 It is set up for additional space already .... Kubby/ Beasely/ In the citizens meetings°.. location of Mercer Park wasn't an issue.... Trueblood/ In 1993..o CIP prioritlzation process .... P/R had three categories, one of which was projects requiring referendum and under that one the Council's #1 priority was expand the Recreation Center. #2 was Mercer Park. The Commission's #1 priority was Mercer Park. So that priority hasn't changed .... (Handouts: drawing; Potential Financing Options; Proposed Expansion) There are a couple of extra copies of that .... (Refers to plan) o The shaded portion is the proposed expansion to the existing facility .... The heavy dark line shows the outline of the proposed expansion .... The proposed expansion is about 16,000 square feet. It would house two gymnasium courts..°three volleyball courts ..... multi-purpose room .... The gymnasiums are not quite full size .... seven feet short of full length .... minimal seating..° keep the building size down .... Nov/ Is this one gymnasium? Trueblood/ Two gym floors, both can be used concurrently ..... The different between Rec center ...... These are almost the size of the full court at the Rec center .... We haven't gotten into that detail yet whether we can put a curtain or folding wall between them .... Nov/ It would seem to make sense to have some way to create two separate gymnasiums. Norton/ You have two separate courts .... Nov/ Baker/ Explain the seven foot... short? Trueblood/ A full size regulation court is 50 by 84. Ours are 50 by 77 ..... That extra feet plus the 820 or so width would cost us another $70,000-80,000 .... Thornberry/ Are these standard size volleyball courts? Thisrepresents only are~onebly accur~e ~anscdpfion of ~elowa CiW council meeting of May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 48 Trueblood/ Yes. Baker/ Trueblood/ .... Norton/ How do they compare with the cross courts at the Rec center? ..... Trueblood/ (Refers to drawing) .... Norton/ .... I am down there a lot. Trueblood/ Our main purpose in being here tonight is to show you the plan of course and to find out whether there is support on Council that we should proceed in working on this plan .... Cost... proposed at $1.5 million .... Baker/ ~Fnat is the potential for cost sharing .... with School Board .... revenue generation in the future? Trueblood/... preliminary $125,000-150,000 a year 5O%. estimates .... operating costs .... and revenue generated from that 40- Kubby/ W~at is being charged? .... Trueblood/ That is based on if we can't do a nuntber of revenue generating events... might be able to... entry fees charged for basketball... volleyball... class registration fees .... basketball and volleyball programs... rental spaces .... indoor soccer use .... aerobic fees. Thornberry/ What does it cost to rent a basketball court for an hour? Trueblood/ $25. Norton/ ...How much use are we making of the school gyms? Trueblood/ Right now we make as much use as we can. One of our concerns is that use is being reduced .... because of increased activities in the schools .... more and more demands on the gyms ..... special interest groups .... that are looking for gym space everywhere .... We might get bumped out of S.Eo Jr. High gym because of a school activity .... Thisrepresents only areasonably accurate ~anscHption ofthelowa CIW council meeting of May 20.1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 49 Baker/ What is the impact of something like this on your present facility? .... Are you going to find less demand for the existing Gilbert Street facility? Trueblood/ We don't think that will happen .... What it is going to do... going to be times to free it up for public drop in use .... Baker/ Revenue generation... Trueblood/ We think we are going to be able to expand programs and activities and offer new programs and activities that we haven't been able to offer .... It is conceivable that the school district could say you have your own facility now, so you don't need to use S.E. Jr. High as much ..... If that happens we haven't gained as much as we want to .... Baker/ Concern I have .... least $75,000 a year. as well. also increasing your overall budget at That is really what you are asking for Lehman/ Says you are borrowing $250,000 .... working capital, another $250- from Parkland Acquisition. How are you going to pay it back? Trueblood/ That is a good point .... Operating costs... did not include the payback on that°.. It would be pure and simple.°. increase the operating budget for a number ef years .... taking X amount of dollars, another line item... this is paying back .... Nov/ So the General Fund is going to repay the loan fund. Kubby/ You are not suggesting that you decrease your formula of 45% revenue generation for Recreation .... We need to make a commitment to P/R Department for maintenance of more open space..° How are we going to be able to do that and muster increase operating expenses for this...? Trueblood/ Norton/ Did you consider a larger bond issue...? Trueblood/ We have a meeting on Thursday with a fund raiser to ask that question. Norton/ You could more GO into GO debt .... Thisrepresents only ereasonsbly eccuratetrenscfiptlon ofthelowa Citycouncil meeting of May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work session Page 50 Trueblood/ Not without a referendum. Kubby/ You are paying everything back through General Fund except what is raised privately. Atkins/ The $700,000 capital loan note could be paid for out of the Debt Service Fund. The $700,000 for Capital Loan Note .... max set by state law .... $250- fundraising; $250- Parkland Acquisition .... $300- for fundraising. Trueblood/ One of the first problems is getting 60% approval. So many pending referendums out there right now .... It was discussed... Plan was to put a full fledged recreation center onto the aquatics center .... Thornberry/ The multi-purpose room would house what? Trueblood/ Any number of things .... aerobics... meetings, preschool play time .... aquatic meets .... you name it .... weight room was discussed as well .... basketball supports... It was mentioned.. possibility... elevated running track... maybe we buy ten top quality treadmills and put in that multi-purpose room, , . . , Woito/ How about a sponge floor in the aerobic room? Thornberry/ To do this private sector fundraising ..... someone give $1000. Would they get a year pass or something? What do you do? Trueblood/ We haven't got to that detail yet .... Norton/ Are your existing facilities adequate to take additional traffic? Trueblood/ We believe they are .... times they would be crowded... scheduling .... Nov/ Terry, are you putting in a foundation that can take a second and third floor? Trueblood/ I am not sure .... There would never be a second floor over the gymnasium because of the ceiling spans°.. Over the multi-purpose room we got a cost estimate .... Nov/ ... I don't want you to build something else that you can't build on. Thisrepresents only areasonably sccuratetmnscdption of ~elowa City council meeting of May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 51 Trueblood/ It is because of the ceiling spans of the building .... Nov/ Trueblood/... One of our goals was to try to keep it down to what we felt was affordable. Nov/ .... Lehman/ I suspect it would be cheaper to build another free standing building .... Nov/ I would like to know .... Vanderhoef/ There was a critical width that we dealt with on doing Mercer Park .... because of the beams .... Baker/ Trueblood/ Basically an indication as to whether or not you feel there is enough support at the Council table for us to proceed with this under the terms and conditions that we have outlined to you .... CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 96-63 SIDE 2 Trueblood/ ...we don't know about coming up with the operating budget. We would like to know that. We don't plan on going any further with it if there isn't support here. Baker/ There might be .... operating expenses and commitments and this .... other issues that might tie into it. The price seems very reasonable. Nov/ Larry, could you move a little closer to the microphone. Baker/ Can you go ahead and start working on private sector fundraising without something tonight? Trueblood/ .... as long as we have a clear enough indication that you are supportive of the project... that we should continue Thornberry/ This will be open all year round .... That part of town needs something for people .... $300,000 is as much as you can raise through the private sector? Thisrepresents only a reasonably accur~a ~ans~lptlon oftha Iowa City council meeting of May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 52 Trueblood/ That is what we put in there right now ..... talking to fundraiser .... Thornberry/ I like the project .... Lehman/ I like the idea. I don't know if I like the plans. Norton/ Nov/ Thornberry/ Baker/ It is the long term commitment in operating costs that I want to think about. Norton/ We are going to be forced to do something .... 1964 when that thing went up .... Kubby/ We have six new police officers that in three years are going to be part of the General Fund .... yearly operating expenses for those employees .... Fire Station is going to come up .... I need some time to think about what are all of our commitments that are hanging out there to keep the status quo going Beasley/ For myself .... Always a fear of mine .... University of Iowa may be the only Big Ten school left that permits non- students ..... to use their recreational services .... The demand in Iowa City... overbooked now .... Council/ Beasley/ .... The P/R Commission endorsed this plan unanimously. Vanderhoef/ I am real imDressed with the backage you folks have put together and I appreciate your time and work. Baker/ I would like to continue putting the package together... Norton/ When do you have to start spending more money... outside person for fundraising ..... very shortly you are going to have to start spending money to get anywhere. Trueblood/ Looking at whether or not we hire a professional fundraiser to help us .... That decision has not been made yet .... Thisrepresents only are~onably accurate ~enscrlption of ~elow8 Cl~ coun~l meeting of May20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 53 Beasley/ Fundraising .... Norton/ I just feel like we ought to get a time line somewhere together ..... figure out when we got to do this. Nov/ Figure out how we are going to pay for it. Norton/ When you need a new car, you need a new car. Kubby/ ...Not so easy for me to say .... Nov/ Any more questions? Okay, thank you. Baker/ Are you going to talk about the cemetery? Let's talk about the cemetery. What is it going to take to get that stuff out of there, that equipment out of there? Trueblood/ New office, new shop for the Forestry Division. Baker/ What is it going to take to get out of there immediately to make do until we can get that other stuff? Trueblood/ Direction from him which requires direction from you which then I think you would want to consider all of the windshield time ..... meeting at 11:00 today with Mr. Dolezal .... I think he understands better now our situation .... Baker/ It is not just him .... Lehman/ Do we have a time frame for building a new office and whatever? Trueblood/ Yes, we do .... in your Seven year CIP budget there is money targeted for FY98 .... to build .... new central maintenance facility .... central to us .... Parks and CBD staff are housed in the maintenance facility out at City park... inadequate .... We want to put Forestry in with Parks and CBD .... make better facility°°. also remove Forestry from Cemetery operation ..... Mr. Dolezal told me today he would agree to back off of this .... can't guarantee .... Lehman/ .... I think if we can assure the public by a certain date... are going to build this new building .... I think that will satisfy a lot of concerns about the cemetery. I don't think the public knows .... I think we need to tell the public .... by a target date .... Thlerepre~en~ only areasonebly accur~e ~anscrlp~on of thelowa City council meeting of May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 54 Baker/ What is the inefficiency of moving the equipment out right now and storing it temporarily somewhere else? Trueblood/ Bus Barn area.°. room with weights... I am sure that they could find some room for you temporarily. Atkins/ .... losing a lot of efficiencies and supervision when you begin splitting them up. We can move it any time you want if you are willing to accept the consequences of doing that .... Kubby/ Are there other places in the cemetery? the cemetery... Or on the street? Are feasible? .... to park within those suggestions Trueblood/ No .... secluded areas .... are they feasible, yes. Are they practical, I don't really think so because in that back portion of the cemetery, it is used fairly often.°. very secluded... vandalism... very expensive equipment .... Norton/ You do move them temporarily? Trueblood/ Yes° We move them out to City Park .... Baker/ Clear understanding of windshield time and small operations but down time is significant .... Trueblood/ We don't have any alternative .... for office and shop space .... drop equipment off... calculated off... that we are probably talking lost wages and benefits... $25,000-30,000 a year just on driving back and forth .... Baker/ And there is no way to set up the work agenda to minimize the equipment transfer? Trueblood/ .... figured an hour lost time for three employees .... Nov/ Norton/ What kind of facility are you talking about? ...... Trueblood/ It would be housed out there... shop, office, equipment storage, everything would be there. Baker/ If we move that equipment out to City Park .... cost us... $25,000 a year .... Trueblood/ .... This represents only e reasonably occurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of May 20, 1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 55 Kubby/ I don't know when we are going to be prioritizing our CIP... part of that discussion .... Trueblood/ .... Mr. Dolezal was relatively satisfied .... he realizes that just picking up an office and shop is not as easy as he thought it was .... He also indicating to me that he would be arguing to get that money moved up for this upcoming F¥ .... I anticipate having an architect within the next two months to start doing some preliminary design and cost estimates for us on that .... plans... bidding process .... Baker/ In CIP budget, what did we set... as the figure for that building? Trueblood/ $500,000. Nov/ And the architect expense... FY97 budget. Trueblood/ ... that money is available right now .... Nov/ No way you can build until F¥98 .... Trueblood/ Kubby/ What don't we do if we move this up...? Atkins/ We have always been very cautious about expanding our public maintenance types of facilities .... many other capital projects .... Terry has a good schedule and it will be done right once and it is over with. I don't want us to go rushing off .... Kubby/ Will you be prepared tomorrow night to explain this? .... informative way .... Atkins/ I am prepared to say to you what Terry just told you. we have a project, it is being planned, it has a council priority, we have to design it .... If you want us to drop something and put this further up, that is your call. I discourage you from doing that because it is moving along, I think, satisfactorily. Nov/ ... say the schedule is set .... Kubby/ Norton/ Thlsrepresents only area$onably accuratetranscrlption ofthelowa ClW councll meeting of May 20,1996. W8052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Trueblood/ Atkins/ We also have difficulties at priority .... approach them very been there for however long... older .... Norton/ I see no temporary solutions .... Page 56 Public Works... far higher cautiously .... This one has Public Works buildings Atkins/ Keep in mind, as your policy on the cemetery and it future have a bearing upon what you want there and what you don't want there .... Our preference certainly is that the Forestry equipment be moved out .... Nov/ Okay. Trueblood/ He does know that we agree with him .... Forestry fleet has grown in last 5-6 years .... Atkins/ Thornberry/ Is that a big truck and a little truck? Atkins/ That is exactly what that is. Norton/ Trueblood/ Thisrepresents oniy aressonably accurate transcription ofthelowa Clty coun~l meeting of May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 57 Sales Tax Discussion 96-63 S2 Nov/ Sales tax. Do we want a sales tax? Do we want to put it on the ballot? Thornberry/ No. Norton/ I do .... look at the resources we need. Kubby/ ...need to be foresightful... Lehman/ I will support putting sales tax on the ballot. However, if there is not at least 80%-90% goes to water plant, I will not vote for it, nor will I support it .... I feel very strongly about how much should go to the water plant. Thornberry/ My position has not changed as far as putting it on the ballot. I would put it on the ballot, 100% going for water rate relief. If it is not 100% for water rate relief, I don't want any part of another tax. Baker/ ...other issues about the demand is out there .... how you fund those. Thornberry/ I think additional fundraising for these other projects will work .... Norton/ ...How about GO debt? Going to have some more of that somewhere .... You are going to have to do something with GO debt? I don't think you are going to get it all out of public ..... contributions .... Thornberry/ I think public philanthropy has been outstanding. Norton/ Baker/ .... Just in that broad category we talked about last week, capital improvements or general improvements, you can see where we are going to need to spend money in the future. Kubby/ .... willing I know that it went from zero to go up to 50% for water rate relief because is really hard for people in this town .... I to 50 .... Norton/ How are you going to do the Senior Center improvements that are coming up... or the plaza upgrade or park and acquisitions.°. Mercer Park... airport contribution .... Commitments to Near South Side streetscape? Thlsrepresents only ereasonably occuratetranscrlptton ofthelowe Citycouncil meeting of May20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 58 Baker/ When you do 70a80% for water- Lehman/ Larry, I think that is the only thing that will pass .... Unless a major portion of this... Nov/ I spoke to somebody... ought to go 100% who are volunteering their opinions... they want lower water rates .... for water .... people they are telling us Kubby/ I am hearing... a whole bunch of other things .... Nov/ What I am hearing is I want a reduced water fee... do not spend it on housing .... Kubby/ Nov/ These are the kinds of comments I am getting .... Kubby/ .... left of center and younger who are going to come out and vote .... Thornberry/ The percentage of voters nationally are not younger, they are older .... Nov/ There are more registered younger voters in Iowa City than there are nationally. Kubby/ Thornberry/ This is a city sales tax that will be voted on in conjunction with Coralville. Nov/ This is a county tax .... on the ballot county wide. Thornberry/ Coralville has said.. they are not crazy about this. Norton/ Depends on who you talk to on Coralville Council .... They are thinking it over. I think you just got to say... get at least some relief from water rates... I think community betterment projects .... are things people are going to expect .... Thornberry/ I think that people will look for things on the ballot to vote against. Nov/ There will be people who will vote against the sales tax... business people who will go out and campaign against the sales This mprasents only areasonably accurate transcription ofthelowa CiW councilmeeting of May 20,1996, W8052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 59 tax° Norton/ It is long sense overdue .... Thornberry/ ...I am willing to do it for the water. Kubby/ Are there two other people who are interested in doing it for 50% water? Baker/ We can do this in three minutes.°. going no where. We are never going to get consensus from this group .... Lehman/ I believe the voters should have the opportunity to say yes or no Baker/ .... P/R expenditures .... selling point .... Those people are not going to vote for the tax .... Nov/ Norton/ I think you cut both ways... 50% for water and 50% towards community betterment projects .... leave that other category broad .... Vanderhoef/ A higher percent is very acceptable to me. Nov/ WhatAmes did was 60% for property tax relief and we could say 60% for water rate relief .... Community betterment was never defined very specifically on the ballot but maybe you want to define it more specifically. Baker/ I think it is wise to define it more specifically .... The point is, if it passes, more than one person on Council has to go out and work to get the public .... got to do it because they firmly believe that that package... is something they ought to endorse .... Unless we can generate som~ enthusiasm among ourselves, we ought to stop. Nov/ Baker/ You are giving up the only major revenue source that we have got. Thornberry/ If we had it just for water and the water rates were reduced .... and it was for a set period of time... we have got it...we need to do this and this and this... easier to keep .... Thisrepresents only areesonebly accurate ~snsc~ption ofthelowa Clty council mee~ng of May 20,3996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 60 Council/ Nov/ Hold it everybody. Vanderhoef/ Legal question .... Is it possible to set a sunset clause of ten years and specify X number of years at this rate of percent for water and then three more years of maybe this percent, etc .... sliding scale on the percent that went for water? .... And put out a ten year schedule? Council/ (All talking). Woito/ My guess is noo Vanderhoef/ Woito/ You can designate dollar figures .... I don't know, I can't answer that. Norton/ I want to get the water thing in perspective. I just don't see how we are going to deal with issues .... Baker/ There are four people here who want to do 80%, 70% .... not four people who want to do anything for housing .... not... allocation for d.t. development or P/R .... Unless you got something in here for something people can support... Lehman/ o.. use the term community betterment and leave the discretion to future councils. Norton/ oo. I hate to earmark too closely .... Vanderhoef/ Norton/ °°.go down and look at some of the projects that I know that we are already committed to... How are we going to fund those? .... I just don't see how to do it. Baker/ My position... I feel very strongly that this Council ought to make a formal commitment to something called housing and human services .... we have those goals and priorities established .... organized a constituency to work for that .... talking about a 10% commitment .... Norton/ o..It is going to help it pass .... Kubby/ Thisrepresents onlyareasonabiy sccumtetranscrlptlon ofthelowe Ci~ council meetlngof May 20.1996. WS052096 May 20, Baker/ sell. Nov/ ... I Baker/ .... 1996 Council Work Session Page 61 .... Whatever is put together, somebody has to go out and don't hear consensus.... Lehman/ I don't think we are going to get enough folks, enough of us to enthusiastically endorse any proposal .... Kubby/ Let's move on. Woito/ I don't need to look into a decreasing percentage in year 1 through 107 or 80% for first three years .... increasing some other possibilities. Norton/ No. Council/ (All talking). Nov/ .... Vanderhoef/ .... go for 100% decreasing the water and Baker/ I don't sense disappointment here. Norton/ I am very disappointed. Lehman/ I hate the whole idea of a sales tax to begin with .... water bills was such that I could support it .... that a bad thing could be good .... rates Nov/ Norton/ Suppose to revisit that matter before next year's starts° I trust we will. Arkins/ I will bring it back to you .... got to tell me. thought we were 20% accumulation. Baker/ Kubby/ Norton/ I guess it is gone. Nov/ I am not hearing anybody else agreeing with it .... I still This represents only a reasonably accurate t~anscriptlon of the Iowa City council meeting of May 20, 1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Kubby/ Then let's really end the conversation. Page 62 Thisrepresents only araesonably accurate trans~ipfion ofthclowa Ciw coundl meeting of May 20,1996. W8052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 63 Council Agenda/Time 96-63 S2 1. Kubby/ We got a letter from Penny Bryn Neighborhood Association asking for some specific direction to have staff look at traffic calming possibilities... We have it in the budget for traffic calming and I thinkwe should direct staff to look at this particular request and see what the possibilities are. Norton/ I second that .... Kubby/ CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 96-64 SIDE Easiest simplest thing. Norton/ $2,000 speed bumps you mean? Kubby/ There is more than that, too. Vanderhoef/ Some place else they were calling them speed tables. Kubby/ Are there any people who want to have staff look pursue it? Lehman/ I agree, look at it. Thornberry/ I was really opposed to that when I started reading it .... I read that article from the newspaper that they were going to do it. I would like to see how they are working. Atkins/ We built one about two years ago out at the Public Works... speed bump... for Lexington so people could experience it .... Nov/ I like the idea of a raised cross walk because you don't need a ramp that way. Council/ (All talking). Norton/ Let staff do it. Nov/ We are talking all at once. We are agreeing to let staff do this? Council/ Yes. Atkins/ You want some recommendations? We will prepare them. 2. Kubby/ It is about the request for the additional dispatcher .... constant complaints about the Police Department .... new employees, middle of the year and not at budget time ..... done Thlsrepresents only sreasonably accurMetranscription ofthelowa City council meeting of May 20,1996. W$052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 64 mid-year and not at budget time. Atkins/ Kubby/ It is a consistent frustration for me that it is hard to balance all the priorities .... I think that there is a need but I have a problem with the consistent process of mid-year requests .... I have a problem with the timing .... Norton/ Are we going to talk about that? Nov/ Norton/ Atkins/ I shaved the budget too close. Nov/ Do you want to explain anything about this? Atkins/ We have a report in place. It was prepared a number of years ago by a company called Vegemast .... schedule... given the new equipment we have in place .... go to 12 personnel .... minor adjustment over the years .... We had a number of personnel circumstances... family leave law... I should have recommended it during the budget process .... He brought it to me... overtime numbers. Kubby/ Do you have what it costs to pay that amount in overtime? Arkins/ I can get it for you. Kubby/ The cost to pay the new person full time and the ten hours more of the part time .... Atkins/ I will prepare that for you tomorrow .... benefits that are payroll related, health insurance and life insurance, are fixed numbers .... Thornberry/ I read the employee contract. Is a 30 hour person full time? Arkins/ 3/4 time and they are paid benefits proportionately. Thornberry/ 40 is considered full time. Norton/ I thought there were actually wanting two. Thisrepresents only areasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowa City councllmeefing of May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 65 Atkins/ One full time and adding ten hours to the current part time position. Kubby/ Do it at the next budget time .... Norton/ Only a 12% increase in calls. Arkins/ Since we trained our folks in emergency medical dispatch°.. takes more of their time .... they are giving them advice. Woito/ There is also liability for negligent dispatching .... Thornberry/ Is that why the county doesn't do it at all? Arkins/ My understanding... Sheriff's Office feels very strongly this is something they don't want to get into .... I think if we can provide a better public service, it is worth the risk to us ..... Many of the public services we do involve risk .... it is better for our citizens. Norton/ Let's ask the county to make a contribution. I will bring it up with the Emergency Management Commission .... I will bring it up. o Kubby/ One last issue and that was about Bob Wolf's sewer package. Can I talk about that? I have a problem with either direction. I have a problem with a private package sewer plant on private land and I have a problem with a public entity providing the responsibility for sewer for private entities who are not within the city limits. Arkins/ I don't disagree with you. Kubby/ I thought you were interested in having us have a private package sewer plant. Arkins/ I am ..... short term basis in anticipation of the southwest sewer. I put that on the table simply to say there is another way to go after this thing. I think this thing is fraught with issues that need a lot of attention .... A private sewer system .... wish to expand it..° there are new rules .... I think this is a big issue... so much potential of blowing up in our face°°. I think it is a bad zoning decision to put there and we know that but we have got it. Bob is a good and decent developer... concerned about putting a packaged plant on public property .... potential for 400 families hooked up to a private system. He wants to build it on his own site° There Thisrepresents only a reasonablyaccuratetranscriptton oftholowa Cl~ council meeting of May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 66 is nothing really we can do about it. I think the county should put some real severe restrictions on it. I don't see them doing that .... Kubby/ Atkins/ Whatever the circumstances are, you have a huge risk and I think if there was some sort of catastrophe, do they have the resources to be called upon to fix it? We do.o. I think the utility should be publicly owned .... because it does affect our land use .... loads of issues° Norton/ Are we talking about a regional southwest regional plant? Atkins/ The county has expressed no interest in being involved in the sanitary sewer business other than regulating us .... The housing project and the affordability issue has not gone unnoticed. It is something that is being addressed .... The packaged plant is such that provides .... licensed treatment... If you begin hooking up others... manufacturing zoning in front of it.°. It is no longer a neighborhood... adjacent to our city limits... Norton/ Atkins/ It is not out of the question .... Lehman/ I really think that we need to look into this. I think they may be some tradeoffs .... We should be visiting on this sooner than later .... If here is some way we can bargain with Mr. Wolf... come up with something that is better for all of us .... Atkins/ This is a big issue. Lehman/ I think we should talk to him. Thornberry/ Arkins/ There is a difference between privatization and privatization and ownership. May of the privatization projects, the facilities are owned publicly and just happened to be contracted for operations. This is a facility to be owned and operated privately which has an affect upon our land use .... I am not convinced that is in our best interest. Thisrepresents only a reasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowe Ci~ council meeting of May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 67 Vanderhoef/ Atkins/ Sure, they are under the same inspection and rules. However, because of their small use... different set of DNR standards .... They don't have an ammonia treatment requirement .... and it is going into Willow Creek .... is that something we want? .... Vanderhoef/ Thornberry/ If it is in the two mile fringe area, couldn't we add ' 9 requirements over and above what the DNR requires. Council/ (All talking)° Norton/ Kubby/ .... Why should we have to invest because the county made a poor decisions about where to put some housing? Atkins/ I think they made a bad decision .... I don't think the county is fully aware of the consequences of their decision .... If you put 400 families .... 1000 people I that area, packed against an airport, manufacturing zoning and a packaged plant .... I think we need to take it on sooner than later. Norton/ There is a point we can't go all the way to Hills .... Baker/ What is the status of the rezoning request down there? Atkins/ ...the manufactured one, it has been deferred .... Nov/ The M-1 change is on hold. Baker/ ... ought to be a factor in some of our negotiations with other issues. Kubby/ Like the fringe area. Atkins/ I am afraid we are going to be delivered 400 families, manufactured zoning adjacent to an airport master plan .... do all the things that we should be doing in an urban environment that is being created by the county. They are not equipped to deal with urban issues .... Lehman/ We need to talk to them now. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of May 20, 1996, WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 68 Atkins/ The Fringe Agreement would have taken care of that. Norton/ Tonight .... didn't hear anything about commercial zoning .... industrial Kubby/ ..: .... for other commercial or industrial entities. Is it possible for us to participate in that permitting process by saying what we think should happen? Atkins/ I have to ask Linda° Kubby/ .... Woito/ Is Wolf asking for hook up to city sanitary sewer? Arkins/ Bottom line... issue for Bob Wolf is that I want to build a package plant. I would like to use the Mesquawkie Park/landfill area to locate the plant .... My concern and my objections... for use of the public's property, city owned .... for a private .... site also source of his water... 400 families... Vanderhoef/ Nov/ We could choose to put in that interceptor line sooner rather than later. Atkins/ It won't meet his requirements... It is a biggie. Nov/ .... Arkins/ All kinds of things that would need to be decided ..... annexation .... land use pattern gets set .... in between his property and the county .... Woito/ I would think the DNR would be interested in hearing our objection. Arkins/ It is not out of disrespect for Bob Wolf .... sets in motion some planning that I think we will regret at some time in the near future. Norton/ 9a]at is our schedule for dealing with this issue? .... Atkins/ I just cranked it up .... Woito/ When is the South River Corridor Plan? Thisrepresents only a reasonably accurate ~ranscHpUon of ~elowa City council meeting ofNlay 20, 1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 69 Atkins/ Long time .... Nov/ I believe the DNR will not turn down this request for the package plant. Woito/ On his own property. Lehman/ Arkins/ ...packaged plants.°. used equipment... it is a big pot .... You can buy these steel basins and put them in the ground .... They are very easy to move .... Easy to shut them down and move them .... Bob bottom line response is I can build a sewer treatment package plant and operate it cheaper than hooking into your comprehensive... He is right .... It is publicly owned... full time personnel and crews... cash resources to respond to any kind of environmental disaster° We don't go bankrupt, we don't walk away .... I will talk with him... if you are willing to press this matter a little further. Lehman/ See what you can come up with. Atkins/ I will do it. Norton/ I enjoyed that meeting last week of the neighborhood policing kickoff at the neighborhood center at Broadway .... Problem .... facility... maintenance .... some of the housing that they are having some difficulty with maintenance .... Nov/ They are not too new. 5. Thornberry/ ...phone call .... Height sign giving height of the RR track bridge at corner of Hwy 6 By-pass and Park Road. Atkins/ It was Park Road and Dubuque Street .... wanted that signed. What I had Jim do was we signed it right off of Park Road so that truckers can see it way ahead of time. Thornberry/ There are two RR trestles down there and I don't know the height of either one of them .... Park Road and Rocky Shore and Hwy 6 ..... Arkins/ We signed that on Park Road. Thornberry/ The other one is one Riverside Drive and Hwy 6 just before you get to .... This rapresents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of May 20, 1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 70 Nov/ Riverside Drive near the Art Building. Thornberry/ Where the sign really does need to be is on the corner of Park Road and Dubuque .... Atkins/ It is just short of Riverside .... Nov/ At Riverside he will have another low viaduct. Thornberry/ Atkins/ I will find out for you. I thought we took care of it. 6. Thornberry/ .°.Left turn lanes on corner of Gilbert and Kirkwood .... four lanes .... Arkins/ When we did the Kirkwood Project we proposed that and it was voted down .... wider street planned .... Council voted it down .... Thornberry/ Arkins/ We had a left turn lane designed in the project. Thornberry/ They can have a left turn lane going east on Kirkwood. Arkins/ I will ask him about the signalization .... Thornberry/ Baker/ Norton/ It is the Gilbert Street in both direction that is the pain. council/ Atkins/ I will check it for you .... Thornberry/ Ask him for a green arrow. 7. Thornberry/ Ground contamination packets..° potential ground water contamination from pesticides, fertilizers used on golf courses... provided by Darrel Courtney. Atkins/ Yes, wearing his Elks hat, he provided that. Thisrepresents only oregonably accuratetranscription of ~elowe CIw coundl meeting of May20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 71 Thornberry/ The thing is that is from the Elks Course .... If you read this, all of this is coming from the Elks Golf Course. Arkins/ Darrel .... Thornberry/ ... Elks Club thing is going to come up soon. Arkins/ That is scheduled for the 3rd. Thornberry/ 8. Vanderhoef/ ... When we have these torrential rains and we have backup in basements because of storm water overload and there are pumps out there on the street to help us... how does it get triggered? Atkins/ We have people that go out .... Problem last time is they stole two of the pumps .... We have to go buy a couple of more pumps .... We have pumps set up. We have people on call. Norton/ Atkins/ Kubby/ Rick.. preventative thing .... go out and start them .... I think it is really great .... Vanderhoef/ The word isn't all the way through the system. Let's get it through there. Thornberry/ Atkins/ It will never ever be completely resolved just because of the lay of the land .... 9. Vanderhoef/ Does anyone remember the conversation of ... fixing rates for two water meters, the outdoor water meter... when we split from a two month to a one month billing and the water meter rates were not changed for those. Atkins/ For the ... lawn meter .... Woito/ It has always been cheaper because you don't have to treat the waste water. Vanderhoef/ ;~en we went... to one month billing .... Thlsrepresents only oreasonably accuratotrans~iption ofthelowa CI~ council meeting of May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Page 72 Atkins/ ...We want to discourage those second meters... conserve water .... I will prepare a memo for you. Vanderhoef/ I know we are charging for the meters now. Had we always charged for the second meter? Woito/ They have to buy both meters from us .... Norton/ What is the rational for the minimum charge for the second meter? Lehman/ They have to come out and read it. Arkins/ There is a couple of months during the year we don't charge. Let me get a memo to you to get you an update on that .... 10. Vanderhoef/ Notice on the gender equity for our comm~issions..o If we are unbalanced, no matter what the qualifications of a person- Woito/ That law doesn't apply to Iowa City. It it applies to state commissions .... It you... It is your policy, it is not law. is a state law and does not apply to Nov/ 11. Lehman/ Regarding this sewer surging... Rick is sending a person from his office along with an engineer to my house Wednesday night to meet with all the neighbors .... They are delighted... Thornberry/ I had neighbors complaining about no water pressure... Ed Moreno .... They came out and put one of those meters on for 24 hours and I have to call him to see if he has got results yet. 12. Nov/ Does everyone have a list of freshman orientation barbecue reception things? Atkins/ It is a good time .... Nov/ 13. Norton/ I don't know who is responsible for Memorial Day (ceremonies)? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of thelowa City council meeting of May 20,1996. WS052096 May 20, 1996 Council Work Session Norton/ I will be there, too. Nov/ Memorial Day at the cemetery. 14. Norton/ Who is going to be dunked... d.t.? ' Vanderhoef/ I am coming down .... Adjourned: 11:22 Page 73 Thisrepresents only aree$onably accurMe ~onscriWIon ofthelowa City council meeting of May20,1996. WS052096