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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1996-06-10 TranscriptionJune 10, 1996 Council Work Session 6:30 PM Council: Nov, Baker, Lehman, Norton, Thornberry, Vanderhoef, Kubby (6:35 PM). Staff: Arkins, Helling, Karr, Franklin, Miklo, Fowler, Dollman, Logsden, O'Neil, Head, Yapp. Tapes: 96-72, All; 96-73, all. Review Zoninq Matters 96-72 S1 Miklo/ That was held by Charles Denney. Norton/ Where did Charlie go? Miklo/ He went to Washington D.C ..... hometown ..... John has a master degree from University of Iowa... did an intern with us last summer... half time for Urban Planning Division and .... half time to JCCOG ... Assistant Transportation Planner .... bicycle and pedestrian planning. a. Consider a motion setting a public hearing for July 2 on an ordinance amending the Zoning Chapter by amending the Conditional Zoning Agreement for WestPort Plaza to eliminate the requirement for a "cohesive, integrated development," and to remove the requirement for the facades of the buildings to provide "horizontal continuity,,' for property located in the CC-2, community Commercial zone at 855 Highway 1 West. (REZ96-0010) Miklo/ Setting a p.h. for July 2 on amendment to CZA for Westport Plaza... proposed by Staples... would eliminate the requirement for integrated shopping center and would result in additional parking versus what was shown on the concept plans .... P/Z Commission recommended against the proposal and so has staff. We will include the staff report and details in your next mailing. Baker/ Is there anything, any new fact or argument that they are bringing to us that they didn't do at P/Z? Miklo/ At this point I don't believe so .... Baker/ Having read all the staff report... P/Z ..... I agree with them .... Miklo/ Typically if P/Z recommends denial, the case is over unless the applicant appeals it to you and that is what they have done. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 10, 1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 2 Baker/ Do we have the right to just say no, not we don't want to set a p.h.? Woito/ No, you don't. They have a right to make their case. Norton/ .... One thing .... I noticed Tom Scott... concerns about CZA ..... wondered if you have any further details? Miklo/ His concerns... he felt that the original CZA was varied somewhat when the site plan was approved ..... matter of debate whether the current development is in general compliance .... Norton/ We have seen nothing visual, have we? Miklo/ Your next packet will include material. Miklo/ You are simply setting a p.h. Norton/ So we will get it on the 28th of June or something .... b. Public hearing on an ordinance amending the Zoning Chapter by conditionally rezoning a 2.32 acre tract from I-l, Industrial, to CI-1, Intensive Commercial, for property located east of Sunset Street on the south side of Highway 1. (REZ96-0006) Miklo/ This property is to the north of Mennards. The access will be via the access road to Mennards. The property is owned by the Ruppert family and it is part of a larger property, a good portion .... 10 acres included in the airport runway overlay zone, 2 1/3 acre portion is outside of that zone. That is the portion that is requested for rezoning from I-1 to CI-1 .... P/Z Commission reviewed this proposal in May and recommended unanimously approval. The staff also recommends approval subject to a CZA which is very similar to that that applied to Mennards property, spells out conditions regarding setbacks, landscaping, the amount of signage and also a requirement that vehicles be allowed to pass over the property to this area (refers to map) ..... does not have to go back on the highway. Nov/ Is this a signed CZA? Miklo/ ...signed before tomorrow evening. c. Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Chapter by rezoning a 1.79 acre tract from CC2, Co~nunity Commercial to 05A/CC2, Sensitive Areas Overlay/Community Commercial Zone and approval of a preliminary Sensitive Areas Development Plan for property located This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 10, 1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session at the intersection of Sturgis Corner (REZ96-0008) (Second consideration) Page 3 Drive and Highway 6. Miklo/ Second consideration, the Sensitive Areas Development Plan and rezoning for property on Sturgis Corner. Kubby/ Was there any discussion regarding the first item? Norton/ We are just setting the hearing. We haven't seen any drawings or anything. Baker/ Thisrepresents only e reasonably accurate transcription ofthelowa City coundl meeting of June 10,1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 4 Council Direction - Issues Re: to Apartment Development 96-72 S1 Miklo/ Discussion of City policy and regulations regarding apartment development. This has been brought up bythe council on a number of occasions, most recently last month .... several issues identified and before we proceed... get a little clarification as to which of these we should focus on. One of the issues .... was compatibility of design of new construction in older neighborhoods ..... also. o. concern in new areas as well .... Whether you are talking about neighborhoods such as College Street or Dubuque Street ..... Or whether you would also like us to look at areas such as Scott Blvd where the entire neighborhood is generally new and there is new apartment buildings being built adjacent to s.f. homes° One of the other issues that was mentioned was the number of apartment buildings being built with 4-5 bedrooms .... Staff has really not observed that this is a trend as of yet .... Woito/ May I interrupt a second° This group that I called together... to deal with the picking up of solid waste and 4-5 bedroom and four plex aren't the same. Doug Boothroy has a different take on the trend of these size of apartments and so does Chuck. They think there is a trend .... that there are a lot more four plexes with 4-5 bedrooms being built. Miklo/ If it is a trend, it is fairly recent ..... Do we nsed to give this more time to find out if this is a continuing process? ..... If it is...is this all a bad thing? .... families ..... University students .... Kubby/ Bob, what about the two new apartment buildings near d.t. on Iowa Avenue and Dubuque and Burlington? How many bedrooms? Miklo/ I believe the ones on Dubuque have been three bedrooms. We can certainly research that. The Jim Clark building has four and mostly five bedrooms. Norton/ What is going to be down on South Linn? .... Miklo/ I believe those are three and four bedrooms. Baker/ Iowa Avenue? Miklo/ I would have to check .... The one on South Capital is also primarily four bedroom° Franklin/ Tonight what we would like to try to do is get at what the issues are ..... from your discussion previously, it was Thisrepresents only ereasonebly nccurate ~anscdp~on ofthe lows Cltycoundl mee~ng of June 10,1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 council Work Session Page 5 very difficult for us to tell what you were identifying as the problem ..... Baker/ ..... In established neighborhoods there is an increased likelihood of disruption of the neighborhood by the demolition of existing properties and building a new apartment building in there that is 4-5 bedroom units which might technically fulfill the Zoning Ordinance by density but which evades certainly the spirit of the ordinance which is to control of density ...... concerned about what is it that the City can do to discourage in established neighborhoods that process. I am less concerned about outlying areas ..... What is it that we can do to stabilize those neighborhoods and actively the demolition of existing stock? ..... Kubby/ And when it is demolished and rebuilt, that it fits in ..... Norton/ Wouldn't this also bring in the number of bedrooms? .... Baker/... people density... unit density. The increase of bedrooms has allowed construction to occur that wouldn't have occurred if they would have only been two and three bedroom apartments .... Do you control the number of bedrooms or do you reduce the number of allowable units? ..... Miklo/ Is that a good framing of the issue? That it is primarily older neighborhoods? Nov/ This is what we have been hearing .... Miklo/ Larry, your concern isn't so much number of bedrooms but overall density? Baker/ I think if you lower the density, you will solve the problem .... Miklo/ In addition to density, there is a concern about compatibility of new construction. Baker/ And if it redeveloped, what happens on the site. Miklo/ Baker/ .... an incentive to maintain existing stock .... This doesn't create any more affordable housing, what is happening in established neighborhoods ..... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 10, 1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 6 Thornberry/ It might ..... Baker/ Thornberry/ I have a question regarding the building that is proposed in the Longfellow neighborhood .... large building with multi bedrooms with central kitchens. Would that fall into this category? Miklo/ Is that the building that Jim O'Brien has been speaking of? At this point°.. he hasn't actually shown us a plan of any sort... provisions for elderly group housing which would- I would say it is a different issue all together. Lehman/ ...It is a whole new area that he is doing. Kubby/ It has been in an established neighborhood .... Baker/ That is a compatibility question, not a density question. Miklo/ If he proceeds under the current ordinance without trying to rezone the property, he would design this as basically a large s.f. home that would rather than having a traditional family, you would have a group of elders living together. So I would see that as being a different issue. The size of the building will probably be smaller, it won't look like a typical apartment building. Thornberry/ I don't know about that. Franklin/ We don't know exactly what that proposal is yet .... more like a rooming house .... It depends on what they finally come in with .... Is it going to be individual units or is it rooms in a facility and we don't know yet. If it is the multiple bedrooms with common facility, it is going to have to go through a planned development. Any change there is going to require quite a bit of scrutiny both by the Commission and the City council because right now it is zoned, the highest is duplexes. Kubby/ Are rooming houses or boarding houses considered multi~ family? Franklin/ They are not considered multi family units, no. They are a separate category. Kubby/ OPDH, we have the ability to have design be part of the This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 10, 1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 7 discussion. Franklin/ Certainly and to look at different housing types that are permitted in the zone. That particular project, Dean, I think would not come under this kind of review. Norton/ Franklin/ Primarily because it is probably going to be closer to a rooming house than an apartment building. What we are focusing on here is apartment buildings, not group living. Nov/ Is group living or rooming houses allowed anywhere? Miklo/ Anything after RS-12. I can check° Franklin/ They are actually not permitted as liberally as one would think .... Kubby/ Franklin/ RM-12 it is. Miklo/ That is correct, it is not allowed in RS-12 or RS-8 or RS-5. Baker/ Two issues to be resolved tonight. What area are we trying to protect and if redevelopment occurs, what sort of review power should the City have? Franklin/ Yes and .... what are you concerned about .... ? Norton/ We are certainly concerned with .... compatibility question .... Compatibility thing is surely one of our concerns within whatever reasonable approaches we can take with that .... Lehman/ I think compatibility is really the big issue. Kubby/ Isn't density part of that? .... compatibility .... have it in all areas of town? ..... Franklin/ If you put a compatibility provision in the site plan review and you may change the threshold for site plan review .... that then will apply or it can apply any time there is a structure built with a certain number of units. Right now we don't have such a provision in the site plan process .... we don't look at how the building fits in with the This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 10, 1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 8 neighborhood .... Miklo/ ..... wasn't an existing neighborhood to be compatible with .... You could come up with some general guidelines... compatibility may not be the issue in new areas so much as general design concerns. Thornberry/ I can see this as kind of a way to get design review into the neighborhoods and I really don't want that ..... I don't want design review in neighborhoods ..... Another dilemma is I have been advocating selling City owned houses ..... Where would you like to have apartment with more bedrooms .... Baker/ .... Design review regarding multi family dwelling in established neighborhoods. You might have a problem with design review .... If you ask these neighborhoods what they thi~( about design review for their neighbors and their neighborhood, you will get overwhelming substantial support for that concept. Especially how multi family units impact on their neighborhoods. Thornberry/ .... I firmly wholeheartedly believe in neighborhood integrity .... Franklin/ Can you all agree what when you talk about neighborhood integrity, that two of the issues that pertain to that are the density of development within the neighborhood and... appearance of development, how that building fits in? Council/ Yes. Franklin/ Okay. Nov/ This is for established neighborhoods. I don't think you ought to start writing compatibility into the site plan review of new neighborhoods° I think it is difficult .... Norton/ What is an established neighborhood? ..... Franklin/ The College/Summit Street example. Prior to the building that is going in there now, it was a fraternity house with I don't know how many occupants° That is not an issue of density. That is an issue of the mass of the structure, what it looks like. It is all design issues which can be handled administratively... it doesn't have to be a long process with a review board. Those are the issues there on the corner ..... Thisrepresents only areasonably accuratetranscription oftbelows Cl~ council meeting of June 10,1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 9 Thornberry/ A neighborhood would be concerned also with the density of housing within their established neighborhood. Franklin/ .... do through zoning .... Baker/ Franklin/ Remember how that zone came about. It was to retain some property rights in a very large area that was being downzoned and stabilized .... Lehman/ Staff review ..o can't come to an agreement between staff and the developer .... Is there an appeals process? ...... Miklo/ We have three zones where we have a similar procedure for a review process and the appeal, I believe is to the Board of Adjustment. Franklin/ Because it is within zoning. Baker/ Site review process right now is that is not compulsory, is it? .... project if they disagree with you, on 12 plexes and above..° You cannot actually stop a can you? Franklin/ Yes, if it is one of the provision within the Site Plan Review Ordinance. Design or compatibility is not within the Site Plan Review Ordinance° What Bob was referring to was in CB-5, PRM and RO. Miklo/ ..... The design of the building at the time of site plan approval will need to show that these guidelines are being met. If the applicant disagrees with staff on whether or not they are met, then it is appealed to Board of Adjustment. Baker/ So we need that sort of power in certain kind of residential zones in established neighborhoods. Franklin/ That is a possibility. Council/ (All talking)° Franklin/ Right now I hear a majority for focusing on established areas in terms of density and compatibility. Lehman/ And I think we hear staff review. I do ..... Council/ Thisrepresents only ereasonably accurate ~anscriptlon ofthelowa CI~ council meeting of Juue 10,1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 10 Norton/ Anything to be said about the demolition issue? .... earmarked for pending consideration of Historio Conservation District. Is that a possibility? ..... Woito/ Is there an appeal process for site plan review? Thornberry/ If a house... so old it has got to go, then what do you do? .... Kubhy/ Baker/ ..... Thornberry/ House ... on Dubuque Road°.° not worth rehabbing .... Baker/ Miklo/ I haven't heard anyone propose that this site plan review ordinance would prohibit someone from removing a building. Norton/ Separate issue. Miklo/ .... The Historic Preservation Ordinance would allow the commission, if there is economic hardship shown, to allow a historic building to be removed° That is pretty common .... Lehman/ Norton/ Kubby/ Our demolition process does not allow midnight demolition anymore. That you have the seven working day waiting period but that is where it ends. It just gives notification .... There is not process for any kind of intervention or any neighborhood power or City power to say can we find another solution rather than demolition during that seven days. So we would have to change that whole process .... Baker/ Thornberry/ Sometimes it is a whole less expensive to demolish a building. Woito/ Ernie, you asked a question about where the appeal was under the Site Plan Review. There really isn't an appeal. It seems to me that P/Z wanted to do it one way- Thisrepressnts only 8ressonsbly accurstetrenscrlptlon ofthelowa Citycouncil meeting ofdunel0,199$. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page Franklin/ It was the appeal in one of the zones where we review design administratively, like PRM and CB-5, there you will go to the Board of Adjustment. Woito/ I thought you were talking about making an amendment to Site Plan Review Ordinance and there is no appeal specifically called out in there and it is a building official that makes the decision .... It is not explicitly called out. Kubby/ This other issue of having moratorium of demolition.°. to say until the conservation zone is established with its guidelines, that a building can't be demolished .... Woito/ A moratorium ordinance requires going through the same process as a regular ordinance. You have to go through P/Z... p.h .... It is a Zoning Ordinance. Franklin/ It is not until the council sets the p.h. that the moratorium begins. Correct? Kubby/ That is the way of protecting .... guidelines are created for that neighborhood, the new structure has to follow those guidelines. Nov/ Those guidelines could take years .... Norton/ Franklin/ As we look at how we are going to deal with these two issues that you have given us, density and compatibility, look at the demolition regulations and see if there is something that can be put in there ..... Norton/ Franklin/ Once a p.h. is set by City council on an establishing a conservation district, then that puts a holdo Now that is probably for 60 days ..... Council/ (All talking). Norton/ Kubby/ What are some of the options to deal with that concern? Franklin/ The demolition process, yeah, we can look at that° Thisrepresents only areesonebly accuratetranscription ofthelowe City council meeting ofdune 10,1996, WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 12 Thornberry/ Of reconstruction process. If you can put something in there.°. something that needs to be torn down, is torn down pending rebuilding, that is when it kicks in as to what can be built .... Franklin/ Priorities. You have just given us a new task and we have the CB-5 on FY97 which is this next month starting as item #6 .... new work item, they go on the bottom of the list. Baker/ Norton/ Franklin/ Baker/ I can see this above #2 & #3 .... Kubby/ Will you clarify what #4 in FY97 is? Provision to assure neighborhood compatibility with the Site Plan Review Ordinance .... Miklo/ This concern came up... very similar to that. Franklin/ As far as council is concerned, #4 & #6 should become #1 & #2? Baker/ Certainly #2 & #3. Thornberry/ Kubby/ #2 has come up a lot, too ..... Franklin/ We have done some of that .... Kubby/ #4 and #6 become #2. Norton/ Me too, I would like to move it right up there. Miklo/ So you would like to give priority still to entranceway overlay zone? Kubby/ As long as barriers for affordable housing does not get knocked down anymore. Miklo/ That is in process. Nov/ The entranceway overlay zone has been around for a dozen Thlsrepresents only areasonably accurate transcription ofthelowa City coundl meeting of June 10,1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 council Work Session Page 13 years .... What would be terrible about making it #2? Kubby/ Franklin/ It would be nothing terrible. Baker/ Franklin/ We do a lot of this stuff parallel ..... Council/ (All talking). Thisrepresents only areesonably accuratetranscrlptlon of ~elowa City council meeting of June 10,1996, WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 14 "Monday Forum" (CBD Merchants) Nov/ Monday Forum is next. 96-72 S1 Arkins/ Joe is coming to the microphone. At your last meeting you asked this item be placed on your agenda for discussion .... We did make a few contacts and Joe can fill you in on this. We did talk to IDOT .... vendors concerning ...signing... Question we have for you, if this is something you find desirable, we sort of need a go ahead. I suspect...round up a group of Monday Forum folks.. informal committee... budget together .... It might move faster if we kind of reversed it... d.t. to highway... IDOT is going to take longer to get approval and we can make moves internally .... We need your guidance and let us know what you would like to do .... Norton/ Things can be submitted to IDOT... Arkins/ If your interest is moving with some speed... We can do some positive things... We can do a lot more internally within our own corporate limits a lot sooner than IDOT .... Nov/ Sue Horowitz called me.o. made absolute no progress. Kubby/ We have an opportunity right now. Arkins/ It will not be easy with respect to IDOT folks... new policy procedure... now have an area representative... part of his job is to help expedite some of the initiatives that we would like to see done... Joe spoke with him... enthusiastic .... Kubby/ Might matter how much we get involved. Atkins/ Financial commitment .... extraordinary amount of money .... don't think it is an Fowler/ Basically what has happened, I talked to Lawrence Bryant, made arrangements for him to talk to Jim Clayton. Lawrence was very excited... cut red tape, go right to heart of the matter... interested in working on this project. He gave me names of different people around the state .... person from Davenport is actually in charge of the signs .... I think he might be able to help us... cut through all the letter writing... Signs on outside of ramp is something that we have been working on for about three years. We found one vendor who displaces how many places are available inside the ramp .... Company is from France... We are going to a local vendor and Thisrepresents only a reasonably accurate t~enscrlptlon of thelowa City council meeting of June 10, 1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 15 say we want to buy this sign, here is the person that sells it .... Baker/ Fowler/ It is the only one we have been able to find that does what everybody has been wanting for years .... What we need to do is hook it up to space counter in the ramp°.. only person that we have been able to find that sells it .... Nov/ Why couldn't we get someone local to build something like that? CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 96-72 SIDE 2 Fowler/ council/ (All talking). Kubby/ I like the idea in the ramps, d.t, and on the highway .... and 'the kiosks as well ..... I am worried about too much signage .... doesn't go overboard. Arkins/ We discussed the kiosks... weren't ready to make that change .... Installing additional signing .... something that allows folks to be able to identify their location... We thought would be a pretty good idea. I think the staff is sensitive to too much signing .... I think we can accommodate that. We would like to get a theme... where it is consistent throughout. Nov/ I have one more concern... I would like us to not ignore business districts in other areas of town .... Atkins/ We talked a little bit about that .... we need to make sure that our other commercial neighborhoods are at least in some way identified. Right now the effort is d.t. and we will see how the others go. Kubby/ Although in our Comp Plan the d.t. is our central business district... Vanderhoef/ Other areas may well bring us something of their own with a request of what they like .... Norton/ ..... In Europe... all kinds of signs .... I don't think we should worry about too much signage...can be pleasant. Thisrepresents only a reasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowa City council meeting of Juno 10,1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 16 Kubby/ Have as much as you need to get the job done .... Thornberry/ We are not a downtown association, we are a City association .... ~]at are we doing... letting them know where the CBD is but to the exclusion of all others? Just a question .... Kubby/ Nov/ When you are coming in on Dodge Street... no problem at all saying south side business district is straight ahead... realize there is more than one business district .... Baker/ This particular group have come up with very specific suggestions and have identified problems .... Other locations have same concerns... organize and present us with some options .... Nov/ If we are putting up signs .... Norton/ ...while we are doing it .... I don't think we ought to let the best be the enemy of the good .... Ought to get something done. Vanderhoef/ We certainly could write a letter to the Chamber, heads of various areas .... malls .... some of those people and say we are in the process of reviewing some signage for the City and if you have some suggestions, we will be happy to look at them. Baker/ We have already made a large commitment to the d.t. It is different .... I don't look at this project as penalizing or ignoring the other one .... Lehman/ I would like to see us pursue this... need to identify other shopping areas .... This is really complete... proceed as quickly as possible .... Thornberry/ Norton/ We have to consider the whole thing. Kubby/ Seems like people want to move ahead with this and explore other businesses. Council/ Yes. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcrlptlon of the Iowa City council meeting of June 10, 1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 17 Kubby/ We can say we are going to go forward. Thornberry/ Without excluding other parts of town. Kubby/ ..°into exclude .... Norton/ Nov/ We will get a proposal from staff. Atkins/ We will round the folks up, we will put together a project ..... starting with central business district .... make contacts with IDOT. I am hearing you say let's show some progress on this project sooner than later. Nov/ Kubby/ A question for Monday Forum folks, the pictures comparing Iowa City and Boulder... some of that comes from volunteerism ..... adopt a bed program.. is there a way that we could work together to infuse some energy into that volunteer effort again and not just say City, you do it. Atkins/ They also have a separate taxing district, too, Boulder has a tax policy. We just operate ours out of the general fund .... Atkins/ One of the thoughts that we have had on that is .... I have asked Parks folks to put together possible a contract.. hire a local landscaping service... planning... maintain it for Kubby/ DTA and City .... Baker/ Is there any interest on the council's part for a separate taxing district for d.t.? Atkins/ No, I am not prepared to do it now. I would have to put something together for you. Kubby/ Nov/ Victoria Gilpin/ Actually we discussed this very issue at a meeting tonight and we have some ideas... a partnership, Project Green..° dot. businesses... very interested in terms of a partnership ..... Thisrepresents only areasonably accurate trsnscriptton ofthelowa City council mesting of June 10,1996. WS051096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 18 Norton/ Do you folks talk to DTA in a formal way about these matters?... Gilpin/ ... There are two members of our forum that are DTA Board for that very reason .... John Murhpy are on Board of DTA... we are keeping them very well informed. We do not want to be an exclusive group at all and we want the DTA to be sure°. aware of this... diverse group .... Arkins/ We will round them up and get this project going. Thornberry/ Nov/ We have a committee that is suppose to be renovating that area .... Thlerepresen~ only areasonably occumtetmnscrlption ofthelowa City council meeting of June10,1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 19 Parking Rates Proposal 96-72 S2 Fowler/ Memo that we put together. The revenue projections that are shown in this memo are based on current usage .... elasticity.°. One thing we didn't do is address use of additional funds in any detail .... no concrete as to where you wanted to go so that part was left out..° funds going to new ramp south of Burlington Street, upgrades in existing ramps that we have and money going to Transit. Nov/ Pretty well committed to have better looking interiors on the ramps .... Fowler/ I just got that information... summary... Shire Hattery .... To go through and upgrade our elevators, elevators lobbies, to color code all of the floors, put up directional signs ..... We are talking starting off with $120,000 cost there for Dubuque and Capital... This would put more intense lighting in areas of lobbies... brighten up destination points and stairways ..... To go the whole upgrade .... talking close to $400,000... preliminary figures .... This could vary by the time we see the final project... Baker/ .... I thought one of the assumptions... parking money first pays off parking obligation and then money left over goes into ramp and transit .... Norton/ Lord knows they need the improvements we are talking about. Baker/ If there is money left over .... I would put it right into transit .... Lehman/ ..... If the money is kept for parking improvements d.t ..... I think the ratepayers won't object to increase in rates if they know that that is going to enhance the structures... enhance d.t ..... I really think we need to earmark that money for parking systems, improvements to the systems and... even signs d.t. Norton/ We have to do something to improve those ramps ..... I have a lot of questions about charges in te~m~s of consistency... Go over some of those.°. outlying meters... Does this include meters both on the streets and meters in the lots? Fowler/ Yes, it does. Norton/ .... In CDBo.. $.50 to $.60, does that include CBD lots like behind the Mill? Thisrepresents only areasonably accurate transcription ofthelowa CiW council meeting of June 10, 1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 20 Fowler/ Yes, that would be lot behind the Mill and ... Old Library .... Includes all street meters .... Norton/ On outlying ramps and lots .... why not increase monthly permits? Seems to me if you increase monthly hourly rate, you ought to increase the monthly permit in some ways commensurate. Fowler/ My understanding for most of the meeting last time was that you didn't want to increase permit rates because of the affect you would have on businesses d.t. Kubby/ If we raise them $5.00 a month .... I think that is reasonable... There is such a demand .... Norton/ It is a 33% increase in hourly rates .... justify a raise... $40 would still be a substantial break for permit holders .... Outlying ramps and lots on a monthly charge .... I am just suggesting it be increased to $40 ..... Does not seem to me out of the question .... reasonably consistent... Vanderhoef/ ...I wasn't interested in doing that... Kubby/ I think we should go up to $40. Thornberry/ Dee, why would you not want to go up if you are raising the hourly rates? Vanderhoef/ .... Has to do with cost of doing business d.t ..... Had a case recently of some businesses leaving d.t .... they had employees... to have cars and it was substantial enough that they moved totally out of d.t ..... Thornberry/ Norton/ I am talking about Swan and Civic Center. Vanderhoef/ .... d.t. businesses do not have the opportunity to own their own parking d.t. Baker/ We are talking about parking ramps permits in outlying lots .... Norton/ Seems to me... even handedness°.. token raise in those... outlying ramps... Swan and Civic center .... Rec Center .... Two lots and one ramp from $35 to $40 .... Thisrepresents only areasonably accumtetranscrlptlon ~ theIowa City council meeting ofJunel0,1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 21 Vanderhoef/ Other thing... ramps .... #1 we heard that there were a lot of people on waiting list to get in .... only 55 permits left at Capital... that you were saving spaces in Chauncey... time to take all permits out of Capital Center? Fowler/ Capital Street Ramp, we are authorized by City Manager to sell up to 100 permits in that ramp° We have kept that number low based on input we have received from DTA and Old capita]. Merchants ..... Vanderhoef/ Fowler/ They are first come first serve ..... in business names .... Kubby/ Naomi, there were five people who wanted to raise outlying permits from $35 to $40. Nov/ Looked like Dee and I were the only ones who did not. I have a question .... Which is outlying permits other than Chauncey Swan? Fowler/ The Rec Center, civic Center, a couple of them in Market Street lot. Norton/ .... monthly... adjustment in annual ones? Fowler/ Whole thing would be bumped up, yes. Nov/ So you are going to raise hourly rate at Dubuque Street Ramp. We are not talking about increasing daily limits? Fowler/ It would be from $3.60 to $4.00. Nov/ You will go up? Fowler/ Yes. The cap would be at eight hours no matter what the hourly rate was. Lehman/ ..°differential between Dubuque Street and Old Capital .... Fowler/ Difference in price was initially set up to move people from Capital to Dubuque. That difference in price combined with parking restriction on lower level .... make the Dubuque Street Ramp more attractive... If the parking restriction were taken out of Capital Street Ramp, more people would move back in there. Thisrepresents only aroasonably accurate transcription ofthelowa Cl~ council meeting of J[me 10,1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 22 Kubby/ Norton/ I think these changes... nice to see them in coherent package... sensible package... proceeds go to increasing suitability of ramps .... Baker/ $205,000... doesn't include permits increase..° that is an annual increase .... two years of this increase could go right into those improvements... makes perfect sense to me .... Vanderhoef/ ...funds available for new ramp .... Baker/ Second page here talked about South of Burlington ramp... it will not be self supporting .... What do you mean by that? Fowler/ We projected Chauncey Swan to generate approximately 1/3 of revenue it took to pay off the bonds that it took to build it .... We have pledged the entire system to pay for each expansion .... Chauncey Swan now is being funded by access revenues generated by Capital and Dubuque Street. Baker/ Chauncey Swan itself is not self supporting? Fowler/ No, it is not° Baker/ Are any of the ramps self supporting? Fowler/ Capital turned a profit and Dubuque is just about to break even. Vanderhoef/ Could we make those self supporting if we go ahead and sell more permits .... ? Fowler/ We couldn't make Chauncey Swan self supporting. Lehman/ Fowler/ I don't think you can build a parking ramp and make it self supporting... $10,000-12,000 a space... you need to pledge the entire system for the support of it. Vanderhoef/ Is it possible to consider selling more permits? Fowler/ We could sell more permits... Chauncey Swan .... what affect closing the library would have. Capital Street Ramp we could sell a lot more permits .... reaction to council .... ramp is full.. don't want permit parkers in there... Dubuque Street... Thisrepresents only areasonably accuratetranscHptton ofthelowa CIw council meetingof Juno 10,1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 23 Holiday Inn holds a large function... it is pretty close to full .... Chauncey... we could probably sell 50-75 more permits in there .... Vanderhoef/ How many are there at 64-1A? Fowler/ There are about 80 permits in there right now. Council/ (All talking). Nov/ Another concern, I am not concerned with CBD meters on the street going up to $.60 ..... Already saying the 300 block on Iowa Avenue is under utilized .... Fowler/ ...300 block of Iowa Avenue is not close to anything and the longest you can park there is an hour... It is the time limit .... made them one hour meters... can't park there and get anywhere and get back. Nov/ 400 block on Iowa Avenue would have $.40 meters .... cross the street and have $.60 meters. Does this make sense? Fowler/ Yes...encourage all day parker to be on other side of Gilbert Street. Nov/ Fowler/ Iowa Avenue over there are ten hour meters .... Vanderhoef/ Norton/ Go back to two hour Vanderhoef/ .... observation is those are all students coming out of classes .... down the street for two hour meters .... Fowler/ If we put a longer term meter on edge of town, people would stop there ..... Vanderhoef/ I would do a two hour meter there .... Nov/ I feel leery about $.60 hour meters on the .... I would like to hear some of their your proposals. Fowler/ I am sure you will .... $.50 .... street ..... DTA comments on all of Thisrepresents only a reasonably accuratetranscription ofthelow8 Ci~ council meeting of June 10,1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 24 Kubby/ Go back to what the money is used for .... you pay off your debt service, you pay off for your maintenance fund, you pay off for future ramps and you put in a little cushion in there, and then if you have money left over, you give it to transit. Do all those things first .... connection between parking and transit .... I want us to keep that connection when all those other bills are paid. Nov/ I don't think anybody is arguing against it. Baker/ A debate we will have. Council/ Lehman/ What is our course of action? Fowler/ There is a motion to set a p.h. for July 2 on the agenda tomorrow night. Kubby/ We need to include that outlying permits. Fowler/ Yeah, by the time we go to publication, we will change that .... Lehman/ What was reason for going from $5 to $10 for contractors? Fowler/ At $5 it would be cheaper than a meter... it is a guaranteed space .... employee has to go out there .... It may discourage some contractors from bringing ten vehicles d.t. to do one job. Lehman/ ...one person per pickup .... Kubby/ ...get things up to date and make positive improvements .... Lehman/ If we have a commitment to this Monday Forum concept .... improving those ramps, than you are not going to hear near the objections from folks d.t. Baker/ Council/ (All talking). Nov/ The DTA.. they will get a copy. We will worry about them responding. They will be at the p.h. Thisrepresents only e reasonablyaccur~otranscription ofthelowa City council meeting of June 10,1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 25 Transit Schedule Changes Nov/ Moving onto Transit. 96-72 $2 Fowler/ The changes that we proposed for Transit... criteria that we outlined in the memo... keeping cost down, maintaining service as late as possible .... service to areas that showed highest ridership .... least confusing to the public .... without making major route revisions .... eliminate the scheduled overtime ..... chose to reduce operating hours... maintain current number of full time positions .... Evening service, keep current level of service to the community until the 9:30 PM and then two busses would continue to run after that time... serve Forestview, Westwinds, Lakeside, Oakcrest, and Broadway areas .... based on ridership numbers... JCCOG... highest transit ridership potentials... able to cut operating costs $25,700 a year. Saturday service, three major changes .... discontinue Seventh Avenue Route completely ..... combine Westwinds and Plaen View routes ..... cuts off area of Sunset from Denbeigh down to Handimart at Highway 1 .... no longer runs through residential streets .... That is the current night route .... regular Towncrest .... Towncrest.. currently busy .... went with recommendation to not combine the two and just go straight Towncrest. Other combination would be Broadway and Mall route ..... eliminate service on Highland ..... Wouldn't have service directly to Eastdale Mall... high current ridership... difficult route... paired up with North Dodge route .... Kubby/ People with disabilities... time of busy route... plus extra time for accommodation... Fowler/ Come close to taking most of the layover on that trip .... Thornberry/ It will depend on the ridership... at times, not very busy .... When is a bus route need to be changed because of low ridership? Kubby/ ...You have been directed to look at reconfiguring all the routes this next year .... Thornberry/ ... comments that you have got a lot of buses...no heads in it .... Fowler/ Three of them- Thornberry/ Thls represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 10, 1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 26 Fowler/ Problem is due to the routes that they are on, we could eliminate it by bringing them back to transit and finding them busy work .... Or we could take a van and drive out to far side of town- Thornberry/ Probably take a van and take all the people on that route .... I still don't understand... 3-5 minutes of overtime°.. I just don't like scheduled overtime .... If you can get it 3-5 minutes, why in the hell can't you get it to zero. What is the big deal? Kubby/ You can but the tradeoffs are negatives .... Thornberry/ Kubby/ Thornberry/ I am aiming for perfection. Fowler/ Part of our goal was to maintain full time positions. Thornberry/ Nov/ I have not heard anyone else with a huge problem about 3-5 minutes. Thornberry/ Scheduled overtime... If you are good, you can get it down to zero. Fowler/ Part of it we are trying to maintain the full time positions .... It can be eliminated by taking full time positions and making them two part time. Kubby/ Council/ (All talking). Fowler/ Trying to maintain our current work staff at level we are at .... CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 96-73 SIDE 1 council/ (All talking). Nov/ I would like to hear an assurance out loud that we are going to continue the late night service to Bon Aire Mobile Park. Thts represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 10, 1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 27 Fowler/ Yes. Kubby/Are we including questions about Paratransit stuff? All this other stuff we had agreed to. We are just like reconfirming... I had a couple of things. Fowler/ I was going to go over that next as a separate issue. This reprosente only e reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 10, 1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 28 Paratransit 96-73 Sl Kubby/ Why the no monthly consistent ..... passes? My gut reaction is to be Fowler/ Part of this is a suggestion by Johnson County SEATS that we do away with it. They feel that it was encouraging ridership that could have been done on fixed route .... We don't sell very many monthly passes .... five .... Logsden/ We give them five. They usually turn about two of them... we sell about seven a month presently. Kubby/ The certification must be from a physician. Fowler/ That was my error. It should have said healthcare provider. Kubby/ Didn't we include social workers, too? Baker/ We didn't talk about that. Kubby/ Somebody who works with the family... not socially able .... Norton/ Somebody in healthcare business help you invent right term there ..... Fowler/ Logsden/ In a lot of manuals..° suggestions. o.who would be appropriate... lists physicians, healthcare professional is what it usually lists .... Thornberry/ Norton/ Somebody like a social worker or special ed teacher .... can certify° Vanderhoef/ Are you going to have a list of accepted healthcare professionals... or broad term...? Logsden/ We could try to put together a list .... Lehman/ Or other healthcare providers .... Nov/ I don't think we need a list... healthcare provider .... Norton/ Linda Severson would be able to give you good advice .... Thisrepresents only areasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowa Citycouncil meeting of June 10,1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 29 Kubby/ We need to agree that the special ed or social worker is appropriate .... Norton/ Nov/ I would like something a little more restrictive. Vanderhoef/ So would I. Norton/ Not only talking about physical .... Lehman/ May I suggest that we try it this way ..... Norton/ Some broad term..° covers both mental and physical .... Thornberry/ Certification will not be based on age and then over here it says rides will be granted to non ADA certified persons 60 years of age or over. Fowler/ That was prepared and not reviewed before it was sent to you. Jeff Davidson .... he was the person reviewing it..o he has the 60 and he has the no 60. He wants me to let him know in the morning which one you want. Nov/ I would like to eliminate the word waiver. You may use the word discount but we are not going to waive any fees. Fowler/ On certification based on age. Do you want like it is written here, no certification based on age? Thornberry/ Certification will not be based on age, right. Fowler/ ...It wasn't proofed by Jeff .... Baker/ I have an 87 year old aunt at Mary O'Coldren who rides SEATS a lot .... no physical reason she can't get on City bus except she can't walk a couple blocks. Fowler/ That is adequate .... Kubby/ There are 5-6 people who are age based .... Fowler/ Another issue on SEATS contract. Jeff called me this afternoon... go between the county and Iowa City on this contract. We sat down a week ago... call this afternoon from Larry Olson and Larry said we are not going to agree to that contract because we are not going to pay you $5,000 for Thisrepresents only areasonably accurate transmiption ofthelowa City council meeting ofJunelO, 1996. WS061096 June lo, 1996 Council Work Session Page 30 storage. The supervisors don't want to do that .... re-write the contract, discuss that fee, or pass the contract as is .... Only person we have heard from is Larry .... Kubby/ What do we charge them now? Fowler/ Nothing. The only thing that is new is a fee for use of the facilities. Kubby/ Fowler/ Years ago they said they wouldn't charge us the whole amount in exchange for use of our facilities. Kubby/ But now they are charging us the full amount° Fowler/ Yes. Kubby/ I think we need to negotiate. It is costing us money to have them use our facilities .... Fowler/ .... bus..° wash..° $4,000 a year .... They get the facility, the break room and the wash .... Nov/ I am suggesting that you charge them per wash .... per usage fee .... They can wash them somewhere else. Norton/ Fowler/ We haven't heard from anyone but Larry ..... Lehman/ I would prefer we pursue this the way it is written .... Arkins/ I recommend approving it and send it on its way. It was based on everything we knew at the time we prepared the thing. Nov/ I would like to suggest two changes. It says individuals designated by Iowa City as being entitled to a waiver of the $1.50 fare. I think we mean a discount .... bottom of first page ..... We are saying we are not going to waive it. We are going to give them a discount° Vanderhoef/ So a discounted fare of $1.50. Nov/ Discounted fare is $.75 ..... I just don't like the word waiver. And on page 3, paragraph 10 we say we are going to contact people if they have been a no show 2 or more times. I Thisrepresents only a reasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowa City council meeting of June 10,1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 31 can't see any reason for waiting more than 2. If they have been a no show twice, contact them. Woito/ This is not a change from your prior agreement° Are there four of you that agree? Kubby/ It hasn't been a topic of discussion between supervisors and the council... in all of those negotiations ..... I would feel uncomfortable making this change at this late point when we haven't communicated on it. Baker/ This is only six months .... Vanderhoef/ Logsden/ That no show policy is part of our Paratransit Plan and that is in our plan .... Nov/ It is inconsistent .... Why allow 3-4 no shows before you tell them that? Fowler/ A lot of times we don't know .... until the end of the month. Thornberry/ If there is no show on a cab, do we pay the cab fare anyway? Fowler/ $3.50. Thornberry/ Fowler/ There are very few of them... Nov/ Okay, doesn't sound like anybody else cares about that one. Baker/ Norton/ I would prefer to get down to two myself .... Logsden/ I help write the no show policy with Larry... written that way because with disabled people .... accidents .... legitimate reason that they couldn't get to a phone to call 1/2 hour ahead .... Woito/ Some of these people are mentally disabled. It is not just out of pure orneriness that they are not showing up. Thlsrepr~ents only areasonably accuratetranscrlption ofthelowa Ci~ council meeting of June 10,1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 32 Nov/ .... Kubby/ There is some discretion here... dispatchers know..° for someone who is being negligent .... Logsden/ °..sometimes you have two in one short period of time .... Nov/ Leave it as it is. Norton/ Joe .... It is okay for fixed route to be stopping at 9:30 and SEATS to go on to 10:307 .... They don't have to match identically, right? Fowler/ ... As long as we are running fixed route, and some of them will, until 10:30, then we will have to run the SEATS at the same time. Nov/ Kubby/ Sketchy about what staff is going to be doing .... SEATS and fixed route now and during next FY for our next budget discussion. Fowler/ Trying to talk with University of Iowa about the continuation of service to Hawkeye Apartment area .... Another thing... looking at potential developments that are occurring in Iowa City... anticipate .... service in those areas ..... proactive to these developments .... midday ridership .... Kubby/ Looking at current ridership .... Fowler/ Norton/ Fowler/ East side loop .... Working with JCCOG to ridership potential areas, current usage for areas .... identify high low ridership Kubby/ Are we going to wait to put up new beautiful map signs until after routes are reconfigured? Fowler/ No, they are being put up now. Vanderhoef/ Have you any numbers.. east side early morning and after school loop .... ? Thisrepresents only ereasonably accuratetranscdption ofthelowa City council meeting of June10,1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 33 Fowler/ ...pretty successful this year .... Vanderhoef/ Any interest in doing a similar loop .... West High .... ? Fowler/ We have had requests.~o for same type of service in that area .... Neighborhoods got together .... and said this is what we want .... It would be something that we would have to work out with Coralville to be able to go into Coralville .... Kubby/ ...getting kids to West High ..... Thanks. Nov/ There is a memo in here about a backpack student pass which I understand is for High School and Junior High School. There is a semester pass..° for whom? Fowler/ We have had some preliminary discussions with University of Iowa Parking and Transit.., developing a pass that would be per semester .... Slightly less than our current monthly permit .... University would even collect these fees for us ..... bill them on a student bill .... Nov/ Fowler/ Norton/ ...great idea to pursue .... Nov/ Consider whether or not we can pursue this for kids at West High or any other high school kids who may take the bus. Fowler/ .... We are going to be short a bus .... Other thing we could do... when we get new busses... keep one of the existing busses .... Nov/ ... if a student in a high school is riding a bus everyday, can they be given the same discount as a University student? Fowler/ High school- Vanderhoef/ Public school student. Fowler/ High school student rate that is lower than the general public .... high school and younger .... Nov/ Families with younger students that would want that option .... Fowler/ Most students tend to pay per student .... This represents only areesonably accuratetranscription ofthelowe City council meetingofJune10,1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 34 Kubby/ Fowler/ We will be glad to bring you whatever you want... Nov/ ..°students... semester pass... Fowler/ We can propose it, let you pass it, and see if anybody buys it... Would you like us to bring it back .... Okay Nov/ Fowler/ Nov/ Show a school i.d .... would be allowed to pay half price°°. Fowler/ Nov/ I think we have to consider .... should have some way to designate another color .... If you really want to restrict it to students... Fowler/ We will put something together and bring it back so it can be implemented before school starts in the fall .... okay° Norton/ Parking... agree August 17 ..... Is that your target date, August 17 Fowler/ Bus fares would go into affect July 1. The changes in the routing would go in not quite August 1 but the middle of August .... date is blank on the parking .... It would be September, at the earliest .... Karr/ If you are going to not vote on same night of p.h., July 2, that would mean you would only have one more meeting before August 1 and you couldn't possible without a special meeting or collapsing some. So you are probably looking at realistically September 1 at best and that if Joe is ready to go with meters and everything else. Kubby/ Nice to be able to do it before the semester starts .... Fowler/ If we considered it the first time the same night as the p.h. and then collapse the next one, we would be ready to implement it August 1. Then we could do the ramp... Karr/ You could hit the middle of August. Thisrepresents only areasonably accuratetranscrlptlon ofthelowa CI~ council meeting of June 10,1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 35 Fowler/ The meters will take 3-4 months... do the ramps and permits almost immediately .... Nov/ Thank you, Joe. Thlorepre~ents only areasonably accurete ~nnscrlptlon of ~olowB CIW council meeting of June 10,1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 36 Airport Han~ar construction 96-73 S! Howard Horan/ Chair of Iowa City Airport Commission. We are in continuing negotiations with our potential clients over leasing this commercial hangar. At this point everything seems to be mouing ahead .... pressure does seem to mount... we think it is a good bid... we are making sure that our potential clients understand that and are working in that direction° Kubby/ So that means you don't have anything signed? Horan/ .... letter of intent... I thinkwe are kind of stalled out in various levels of management on their side of the fence. Kubby/ When is bid good for? Atkins/ I thought it was through the remainder of this week ..... Kubby/ Can you negotiate another extension on the same price? Atkins/ That is really up to Ron. Nov/ Horan/ .... might be a special opportunity .... Nov/ Howard, I had the impression that this extension of the bid expires tomorrow .... Horan/ We may not get our project done... may have to send it back out to bid... come up with a letter of intent... may not get it done at all. Nov/ Do you want a deferral or do you want a no? Horan/ Deferral... Thank you. Nov/ Deferral for two weeks .... three weeks... Thisrepresents only areasonablyaccuratetrans=lptlon ofthelowa Citycouncll moetingofJune10,1996. WS061056 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 37 Council Aqenda/Time 96-73 Sl 1. Vanderhoef/ Memo that I am going to hand out and ask you people to consider. (To: City Councilors From: Dee Vanderhoef Date: June 6, 1996)... about the library. Take it home and read it and we can talk about it later. 2. Thornberry/ How is pick up coming on storm damage stuff? Arkins/ .... generally we are in pretty good shape .... spoke with Terry .... We are done...Have to draw a line somewhere. 3. Thornberry/ Second question is on (cemetery) weekends. Arkins/ I had Terry park the trucks as he would liks to see them .... I drove out Saturday to look at them, they should be moved ..... I spoke with Terry about it. We have extra employees .... summer... Suggest that we move four vehicles. There are six there. Two of them are Cemetery, four of them are Forestry .... I would like to leave the Cemetery vehicles there because those folks get called... in .... On the weekends only and for the summer .... makes shuffling of vehicles easier... June, July, August we would have four of them moved .... just on the weekends .... Friday night... crews taken to P/R City Park location and dropped off there .... Is that okay with you? Okay. Kubby/ Dean, will you announce that tomorrow night? Thornberry/ I would be glad to .... 4. Norton/ I had a couple of calls from Nancy Carlson in connection with some zoning issues on near north side .... I wanted to make sure that we understand. She is in the duplex, she is living in one side and they inspect her side as though it were rented out which seems rather inconsistent with places where somebody lives in a condo and their condo isn't inspected but the others they rent are .... Wondered if there is any consistency there? Arkins/ I think Doug takes a literal interpretation of the code .... duplex gets inspected whether it is owner occupied or not... I understand it is a pretty hard and fast rule and we have done it that way forever. Thornberry/ My mother has a house and has an apartment downstairs with a walkout entrance. The house is labeled...duplex... my mother's house is inspected .... Thlsrepr~ents only e masonably accuratetranscriptlon ofthelowa City council meeting ofJunelO, 1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 38 Kubby/ .... health and safety .... Norton/ Atkins/ If they are classified a duplex .... it is to be inspected .... Thornberry/ .. affect that other person's space that they are rentzng. o]] Norton/ I am only interested in consistency .... Arkins/ If you can let me know some specifics..° we have been consistent for years doing that. That is what I was informed .... 5. Norton/ Has anything happened with traffic counting on Teg? Atkins/ Yes, a letter was sent to the two folks that put the petition together... should be getting a copy .... staff met .... decided to survey the area and offer some options for them and see what the neighborhood has to say as opposed to the two people and we have informed them of that .... You will be getting a copy of that. Kubby/ ...important having a meeting .... Atkins/ Probably will... take it through as many steps as we can .... make sure we do it right .... Kubby/ Norton/ Do we need any decision on bikeway routes? Has any decision been made about signing that would be consistent between the City and the county and Coralville? Has somebody picked a sign or is that going to be done by JCCOG? Atkins/ I assume JCCOG .... Nov/ Kubby/ I will ask Jeff to put that on the agenda. 7. Norton/ Are we looking forward to new information visa vis the Elk's thing? Arkins/ Yes. Thisrepresents only a reasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowa City council maetlngofJune10.1996. WS061096 June lO, 1996 Council Work Session Page 39 Norton/ Hear new things on the fringe°.. meeting on Coralville on 965. Seems we need to get a time to talk fairly seriously .... about those options and that is how we left that meeting. Nov/ July 1 ..... e Norton/ Steve, you raise some questions in a memo about the south corridor thing. I take it you still want to hear from us? Arkins/ I would like to hear your thoughts on it. I am meeting with county officials. Karin and I scheduled a meeting with them.°. Friday .... South Corridor... Wolf Mobile Home Park sewage treatment .... Norton/ Since I will be taking off for Europe on Wednesday, I will leave an e-mail address .... I have made a proposal for a meeting in August .... 11. (Agenda #9- CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF IOWA CITY AND THE IOWA CITY ASSOCIATION OF PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS, IAFF, AFL-CIO, LOCAL #610, TO BE EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 1996, THROUGH JUNE 30, 1997.) Kubby/ I have a question for Dale about the firefighter contract ..... Has to do with pregnancy leave... about light duty is someone is pregnant .... Can this employee get light duty until she actually delivers or does she have to be saving up vacation time and sick leave in order to work or get some pay coming in? Helling/ My recollection of the contract... we don't guarantee light duty in any case. The philosophy... State Code changed.. requires us .... injured on the job, they are paid out of the General Fund rather than out of what used to be the Pension Fund .... If it is an off duty disabling .... we will allow light duty when light duty is available but we don't guarantee it. Kubby/ Is that outlined at all... that light duty is available in that circumstance .... Helling/ No. I can go back and check. I think there is a reference .... avoided making any contractual commitments .... Kubby/ Trying to make sure that being a firefighter is an option This represents only 8 reasonably accurate transcription of the iowa City council meeting of Julie 10, 1996, WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 40 for women who are in childbearing years .... does prevent someone from choosing firefighting as a career. If we don't have a good system for dealing with that then we have cut off a lot of options .... CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 96-73 SIDE 2 Norton/ Kubby/ ...make it as friend as possible for a more diverse group of people to become firefighters. Helling/ Try to do administratively .... Kubby/ I can pursue this in a different arena. I think... other things we can do to try to increase diversity in our work place .... Helling/ .... Discussion for executive session ..... 12. Kubby/ Next question is about the St. Patty's parking garage and the design of it. Seems like... access to parish hall, to make sure they have designed such that people can park and not have to walk around the building to get to the hall. Arkins/ We can do that. I will show you the sketches .... it is a very preliminary... color... I will bring them along for tomorrow night .... Bring them early... prepare them for you. Waiting to hear what they have to say. Kubby/ Are we getting away from an idea of a multi-use facility? Atkins/ No .... We can always reject that later on .... 13. Kubby/ Issue for Linda.. concern about copper mercury at wastewater treatment plant and I am glad that we have some kind of agreement .... updated information.. negotiated with University about their labs .... What is the source of the copper mercury that is causing our problems in our water? Woito/ It is in the Iowa River when it comes into the plant. It is at threshold level .... that makes our job extremely difficult. And what the settlement agreement does is gives us time to do a whole lot of study in terms of sampling, protocol .... because the sampling protocols get very differing results from the samples .... which means maybe the water has less mercury than we think... testing is totally erratic ..... Thisrepresents only areasonably accuratetranscription of ~elowa City council meeting of June 10,1996. W8061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 41 Kubby/ Did you say our level changed when the University put traps on their stuff? Woito/ Not consistently, no .... They cooperated but it wasn't any dramatic change and it fluctuates .... There is not good explanation for it. If you want Dave Elias to report on it, he will be more than happy to write a memo° Kubby/ If we are not meeting federal standards and putting metal back into the river... if we can trace it up stream to some point source... Woito/ I think the problems are largely biological, chemical, laboratory type problems .... technical tools of trying to test it. Kubby/ Why are other communities are not having the same permitting problems? Woito/ Because they don't rely on their primary source on the Iowa River .... Norton/ Woito/ Level of technology ..... they want us to pay for it... We are paying for what private industry and science should have done years ago. Nov/ ..farm chemicals in the river... we are paying for them twice .... Kubby/ Add that cost to your food bill. 14. Baker/ In the packet was a May 29 letter to Don Sehr about the Fringe Agreement .... Since there is going to be a new member on the Board of Supervisors, will all correspondence between now and January 1 got to the new member as well. Kubby/ JCCOG... goes to J. Jordahl and the answer was JCCOF stuff just goes to members of JCCOG .... Baker/ If there is any correspondence between us and Board of Supervisors between now and January 1, will we send him a copy? Thornberry/ This represents only a reesonebly eccurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 1 O, 1996. WS061096 June 10, Kubby/ Baker/ Thornberry/ Nov/ It has 1996 Council Work Session Page 42 ...we have the power to say who it is going to go to .... .... I will make a personal copy and send it to him ..... been the City's policy to send... to newly elected council members. I don't know what the county's policy is. Thornberry/ I think that should be up to the county. Baker/ It is our correspondence .... Can I get a show of hands .... If we send anything to Board of Supervisors, carbon copy to Jonathan Jordahl ..... I will send him a copy myself .... no brainer .... Council/ (All talking). Nov/ Our correspondence to the county is not that often, we can afford to send one more copy ..... Kubby/ If another candidate comes along... we should do that... Nov/ This person has not been elected to the Supervisors .... Council/ (All talking). 15. Baker/ Article that Naomi provided about this design video in other communities. Can we get a copy of that video? Can you order a copy for the City? Nov/ Yeah, we can order. The one article on designing cities is the one that I was sending .... Baker/ That is fine, we can order the video. Hey great. Nov/ We will ask Steve or Marian to order a video. 16. (Agenda #3g(2)g.2 Don Arenz to gather signatures for a non-party political candidate - June 8, 15, 22, and 29.) (Agenda #3g(2)g.4 Carrie Granberg, Shamen Project, to sell hand-crafted items - various dates throughout the summer.) Baker/ Questions on the Consent Calendar for tomorrow .... Don Arenz for non-party political candidate. What is that? Thisrepresents only areesonably accur~etranscription of ~elowo Ci~ council meeting of June 10,1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 43 Kubby/ That was actually the Green Party because in Iowa you have to get 2% of the gubernatorial vote in order to be deemed a party in Iowa and the Greens are non-political party because of that fact. Atkins/ Kubby/ Baker/ Second thing I noticed two of those applications were to sell handcrafted items on the plaza. Do we have a policy about commercial use on things like this? Helling/ Called an ambulatory vendor. $10 a day or $100 a year. You have got to walk down the plaza, carry it with you, stop and make a sell and keep moving .... Baker/ Is there a limit on the number you will issue? Helling/ There is no- There has been very few times it has been done. People who have tried it... have not been successful... 17. Baker/ And Bike route designations memo that we got. Are we going to come back and talk about that? Kubby/ Is that going to be scheduled? Atkins/ Hadn't planned on it. Do you want it scheduled? Council/ (All talking). Atkins/ I thought we were confirming some previous decisions. Kubby/ Remember the discussion at JCCOG ..... wanted to looked at individual map .... street are council decision. Baker/ So we need to talk about it. Atkins/ Okay. Kubb¥/ I will put JCCOG agenda item .... Thornberry/ ..... How many more are we going to have for the ' 9 bicyclists. 18o Norton/ Is there an~ay we can be proactive vis avis the signs coming to Kirkwood Avenue? Thisrepresents only areesonably accuratetranscrlption ofthelowa City council meeting of June 10,1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 44 Arkins/ The sign? Norton/ The sign. Atkins/ Yeah. Council/ (Oh). Norton/ .... Should it be mentioned tomorrow night? Council/ (No). Norton/ Okay. Thornberry/ We could revise the ordinance in a way to reword a word from adult to porno. The reason I say this is when you are talking to your children you say listen, act like an adult .... council/ (All talking). 19. (Agenda #3c(3) CONSIDER A RESOLUTION SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR JUNE 11t 1996, ON PLAINS, SPECIFICATIONS, FORM OF CONTRACT, AND ESTIMATE OF COST FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE SOCCER SITE ACCESS ROAD PROJECT, DIRECTING CITY CLERKTO PUBLISH NOTICE OF SAID HEARING, AND DIRECTING THE CITY ENGINEER TO PLACE SAID PLANS ON FILE FOR PUBLIC INSPECTION.) Nov/ On page 2 in our agenda in the Consent Calendar there is a resolution setting p.h. for June 11. This is #3. It should be July 2 .... The agenda has the wrong date on it. 20. Nov/ I have a comment from Bob Hagarty. I asked him about this correction he sent us .... 55 employed families is for City owned housing, not all subsidized housing and on the Voucher Certificate Program there are on 3% who are employed families and on the Certificate Voucher Program there are 47% who are disabled or elderly families .... Likely that there is some overlap .... 21. (Agenda #7 CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACTS FOR VARIOUS PURCHASES IN ACCORDANCE WITH THEANNUAL OPERATING BUDGET, CONTRACTS FOR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS WHEN THE TOTAL COST OF SUCH PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DOES NOT EXCEED THE SUM OF $25,000, AND FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WHEN THE TOTAL COST OF SUCH SERVICES DOES NOT EXCEED $50,000.) Nov/ .... I think it is less than clear on that $50,000. So I am This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the iowa City council meeting of June 10, 1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 45 going to ask does that mean the total contract is $50,000 so that if we had a high priced contract .... then it requires an amendment which is less than $50,000, are we talking about the total contract or are we talking about the amendment in this resolution? Arkins/ Linda will have to help me... That number means at the time of origination of the contract, what was the face value of it and that is how that number came about. Nov/ So a huge contract, a $100,000 contract that requires an amendment comes back to the council? Arkins/ Must come to the council, yeah. Nov/ 22. Nov/ Meeting dates. Marian was proposing some changes in meeting dates. Karr/ ...note council meeting scheduled for summer had you meeting the last time in July on 15th and 16th and then no other meetings scheduled until we are back to August 12 and 13th. So you have a three week period-four week... suggestion has been made to split the difference. Move up the 12th and 13th and meet on 5th and 6th of August. Then we would have another two weeks off and get back on schedule the 26th and 27th. Kubby/ Norton/ Lehman/ I won't be here then. I will be gone from the 1st until the 10th. Norton/ I am gone the 13th .... Nov/ Might be easier for staff members .... Kubby/ Only reason...means we can get parking fees done... Norton/ ...me missing one versus Ernie missing one. Thornberry/ I am coming back the 6th. Karr/ I didn't have you gone, I apologize. Thisrepresents only areasonobly accuratetranscriptlon oft ha Iowa City council meeting of June 10, 1996. W$061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 46 Thornberry/ Since meeting was 12th and 13th, I have tentative plans. Karr/ One other reminder .... if we know when you are going to be in town.°. really makes a difference... could make a difference on scheduling if we knew you were going to be in town .... give me a quick call. Kubby/ Do people want two three week..° or a four and a two week? Thornberry/ I don't care .... I had down July 1/2, 15/16, August 12/13. Norton/ Partly my fault... I don't want to miss if I can help it. Nov/ Kubby/ Are we changing to 5/6? Nov/ I am not sure I hear a real agreement one way or another here. Vanderhoef/ I am open. Karr/ So we are cancelling 12/13 and we are meeting 1/2, 15/16 in July and 5/6 and 26/27 in August. Council/ Karr/ Let me know tomorrow... formalize it tomorrow night .... 23. Nov/ Dee, you brought up the annual firefighter's meeting- school, whatever. Are you going to go? I would like somebody to go .... An all day meeting on June 19. Also June 19 is P/R tour and I would like to see a couple people go to that. Vanderhoef/ .... firefighter thing, I will be happy to go and I will skip P/R this time .... Nov/ You have to talk to Andy Rocca and let him know that you do want to go on the 19th .... 24. Norton/ Does anybody want to go... Emergency Management commission... June 26? .... Andy will represent us .... Wednesday night. Lehman/ ...I think I am back in town. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council maetlng of Juno 10, 1996. WS061096 June 10, 1996 Council Work Session Page 47 25. Nov/ Ernie, you are on town next Monday? Lehman/ I will be in town Monday, I leave Tuesday. Nov/ You are suppose to say welcome to someone at the Holiday Inn Monday, 8:30 AM. I am reminding you. Okay .... 26. Vanderhoef/ Did anyone else get invited to the opening of the medical school microbiology- Nov/ That went to the entire Chamber of Commerce list .... Adjourned: 9:25 PM Th~s~epresents~n~yareas~nabIyaccuratetranscript~~n~fthe~~waC~tyc~unci~meeting~fJune1~~1996~ WS061096