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ITEM NO. 1 Extend Sympathy
Lehman/ Before we start the Special Presentations, I know I speak for the rest of the
Council when I'd like to extend to the Craig Standish family the deepest
sympathy of the City Council and the City employees on his untimely death.
Thomberry/ Thank you.
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ITEM NO. 2 SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS.
Lehman/ Now we'll move to our Special Presentations for Longfellow Elementary
School. Will Zach, Dirk, and Carolyn come forward? Okay.
Zach Buxton/ Hi, my name is Zach Buxton. I'm a sixth-grader at Longfellow
Elementary. I'm the youngest of four boys in my family, and my parents are
Becky and Jim Buxton. I've always taken my schoolwork very seriously, and I
work hard to do my best in all I do. In addition to academics, I also enjoy helping
others and being a leader. I'm currently serving on the Longfellow Site Council,
and I am President of Longfellow Student Council. I'm also playing the part of
Stefan in our Unit C musical, Freedom Bound. Outside of school, I do such
activities as playing in the Iowa City Firebirds, playing Iowa City boys baseball,
Iowa City Kickers, flag football, and wrestle on the Iowa City City High Mat
Pack Wrestling Club. I also help my community by mowing lawns and house-
sitting. I appreciate the Iowa City Council recognizing my classmates and me for
our leadership and community achievement.
Carolyn Minchk/ Hi, my name is Carolyn, and I'm a sixth-grader at Longfellow. I'm
first chair cello and play the flute. I'm very involved in church and go to a youth
group about once a week. I'm in the musical Freedom Bound, and babysit a
couple of times a week. Between everything I've mentioned, and practicing my
cello almost a half hour every day, that doesn't leave much time for homework.
Nevertheless, I always have my homework accurate and in on time. And I'd have
about an A average, if we got grades. I usually help people with, I usually work
with people who need extra help, so I can assist them when needed. No matter
how tired I am, I never sleep through classes. Thank you for giving me this
award. It really means a lot to me.
Dirk Marple/ Hi, my name is Dirk Marple, and I'm very honored to be picked for this
award. I live in a great community with many outstanding citizens. In school, I
am a member of the Student Council, Safety Patrol and a member of the Ath-
olympia team. I'm currently in a play called Freedom Bound. I was chosen last
summer to go to Start-base leadership camp in Des Moines. I help with the
SHARE program distributing food. I enjoy baseball, soccer, wrestling, bowling,
football, playing chess, and I'm a black belt in Tae Kwon Do. I want to thank the
City Council for giving me this award, my teacher, Miss Jackson, my fellow
classmates, and my family. Thank you.
Lehman/ Well, I'd like to say first of all that the City Council doesn't give these awards,
these kids earn them. I think it's just great. I'm going to read one of these, and
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then I'll pass these out.. "For her outstanding qualities of leadership within
Longfellow Elementary as well as the community and for her sense of
responsibility and helpfulness to others, we recognize Carolyn Minchk as an
Outstanding Student Citizen. Your community is proud of you. Presented by the
Iowa City Council, May 18th." Thank you.
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ITEM NO. 3 MAYOR'S PROCLAMATIONS.
a. Older Americans Day - May 13
Lehman/ Item//3 is Mayor's Proclamations. The first one is Older Americans Day
(Reads proclamation.)
Marian Karr/ Here to accept is Charity Rowley.
Charity Rowley/ As you notice on the program I've given you, tomorrow is a special
day at the Senior Center, where we will be showcasing different things that
seniors are involved in, both at the Senior Center and in the community at large.
We start off at 8:30 in the morning with a continental breakfast. We have the
showcase in the morning. Of course, we have the community lunch during the
noon hour. And then later on, we will have a talent show, and end up with
refreshments, oh, probably about 3:00, 3:30, 4:00. It'll be a full day, and I hope
that all of you will take an opportunity to come and see what we have going on.
Kubby/ Thanks.
Lehman/ Thank you.
b. Peace Officers Memorial Day - May 15
Lehman/ The second one is Peace officers Memorial Day. (Reads proclamation).
Karr/ Here to accept is Iowa City Police Chief Winkelhake.
R. J. Winkelhake/ Thank you very much. That's my speech.
Thomberry/ Thank you.
Lehman/ You know, this is also another special week that we don't have a proclamation
for, but I think someone on the Council, it's very near and dear to them. Dee?
Vanderhoef/ Yes. This is American Nurses Week. And being an old nurse, a non-
practicing nurse, it's real important to recognize these people who work so hard in
our hospitals and in our homes, they come to us, they take care of us. Their work
is never done. And I had an opportunity this last winter to spend some time at a
hospital with my husband, and I recognized how this continues to change, and
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how important their education is, and their dedication to continue to give good
care. And I wish them well this week.
Thomberry/ Very good.
Lehman/ Thank you, Dee.
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ITEM NO. 5 PUBLIC DISCUSSION (ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA).
Lehman/ Item #5 is Public Discussion, items that are not on the agenda. We would ask
that you sign in with your name and address and limit your comments to five
minutes.
Tim Wolfe/ My name's Tim Wolfe. I own Iowa City Cleanup and Transfer. We've
been a family-owned business in Iowa City for about 23 years now. We've got a
small problem, and I think it's going to affect the City considerably. We have one
of our competitors in town that's already put in a small transfer station and will be
hauling his trash to Illinois. The problem that we have with this is that he'll be
paying $20 a ton, we're now paying $48.50 and $53.50 a ton, which is one of the
highest priced landfills in the state of Iowa. Most of the landfills in the area here
around us are anywhere from $30 to $37 a ton. Muscatine has an $8 million
transfer station. They charge $37 a ton. I'd really like to have the City consider
lowing their landfill fees to be more competitive, because if they don't, they're
bound to lose 40% of all the garbage that goes into the landfill, and that is the
three largest private haulers. We'll have to do what we have to do to compete.
We're a local company. We support, you know, we buy local. We'd like to stay
with the Iowa City Landfill, but to give you an example, for three months, our
landfill bill is $116,000. I can haul the same amount of trash to Illinois for
$46,000. That's quite savings. So, I have a little letter here that I'd like to pass
out, and you can kind of look it over and stuff. But I really think the City needs to
look at this. They've already lost one of their private haulers. He will not be back
to the landfill. He's already got his set up. We have an engineer looking at it
right now, because it's something that we have to do to be competitive.
Champion/ Ernie, are we going to look at that, figures to, you know?
Lehman/ Well, I think that this is something that we're probably going to want to put on
a Work Session and discuss sooner, rather than later.
Steve Atkins/ Okay.
Wolfe/ I think, you know, it's very important, you know, that they be competitive. I
know that it would extend the life of your landfill, but I think the cash flow is
something I think the City really should look at. I'd hate to see people maybe
living in a private home maybe paying $30 or $40 a month for private pickup just
to support a landfill.
O'Donnell/ Tim, did you say that's a three-month period?
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Wolfe/ That was a three-month period. My landfill bill was $116,000, and I could have
took the same amount of trash to Illinois for $46,000.
Champion/ Are those figures in your letter?
Wolfe/ Yes.
Norton/ Does that include your shipping, your transportation and all that?
Wolfe/ In the transportation, it would add about, I could still do it for less than $35 a ton.
Norton/ Okay, but that wasn't in the figure you gave.
Wolfe/ No, that was just the landfill fee. So you could add another $15 a ton on there
and that would come out with it. So it might be another $15,000 or $20,000, but
you're still talking about you know, half of what we pay here in town.
Norton/ Yeah.
Wolfe/
And to give you an example, the City of Dubuque, BFI which is a national
company is up there in Dubuque. They came to the city, they haul 40% of all the
garbage that went into Dubuque, and they said if we can't get a better rate on our
landfill, we'll haul it to our own landfill in Illinois, and Dubuque lowered their
landfill rates 40%. You know, I think it's something that you really need to look
at, because we have to do it, we have to be competitive.
Kubby/ We have to look at it, but we also have to realize that we get a lot more out of
our landfill than other communities in that we have household hazardous cleanup
days, we do tire collection, we have good closure, post-closure, long-term
financing, because we're responsible with how we do our landfill, and so all those
things have to be put together and we should look at them all.
Wolfe/
Absolutely. And I agree with that too, because I would like to see more from the
landfill myself. But the problem is, you also have to look at the money situation.
I mean, if you took 40% of the taxes out of Iowa City, it's going to cause a
problem.
Kubby/ Landfills rates are different.
Lehman/ I think it's a very, very complicated situation.
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Wolfe/ It is.
Lehman/ For the City because of State laws and Federal laws and transfer stations and
whatever. It's not, it isn't really simple, it's something that we really are going to
have to sit down and talk about. And I talked a little with Steve about this. I
talked with some other folks, and we do need to address this, I think. And I don't
know that there's an easy answer, I don't know that there's really an answer. But
I think it is something that we need to talk about.
Kubby/ And I appreciate you not just saying forget Iowa City and wanting to dump here,
because we should take responsibility for our own waste locally.
Wolfe/ Absolutely, absolutely.
Kubby/ Instead of it being shipped and creating problems for Illinois, we should take
care of our own problems.
Wolfe/
Well, here's one problem we're up against already. You've put a cardboard ban
into effect come the year 2000, from what I understand, or you're going to. That
has nothing to do with him out there, because that landfill accepts cardboard. So
once again, the customers that I have, I'm going to have to charge extra for
cardboard. The customers he has, he's not, because he doesn't take it to the Iowa
City Landfill.
Norton/ Of course they're going to run into problems too. Illinois doesn't have infinite
space, either.
Wolfe/ They're going to --
Norton/ They're going to run into that problem. (Can't understand) is going to ban fiber,
too, I think.
Wolfe/ They've got 480 acres there, and they can take anything but nuclear waste.
Norton/ Just turn Illinois into one big dump.
Kubby/ And they'd take that if they could.
Wolfe/ They'd take that if they could.
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Kubby/ They would.
Wolfe/
The day I was there, there was two transfer trailers that came from Milwaukee,
Wisconsin. The landfill in the United States is a big deal. Right now, Laidlaw
hauls their trash to Michigan from Canada, because they own a landfill in Canada.
I mean, they ship it by train and everything now.
Thornberry/ Tim is my hauler, and I asked him to come tonight and present this to us,
because I didn't have an answer for him. He asked a question, and we just didn't
have an answer, and we need to talk about this. And when there's a landfill that's
accepting everything but nuclear waste, that includes tires and batteries and --
Wolfe/ Oh yeah, everything. Asbestos.
Thomberry/ You know --
Wolfe/
They take it all. At $20 a ton, well, they charge a little more for your asbestos
and stuff, of course, but the flat rate is $20 a ton. They will sign a piece of paper
for every community that I haul that will give them no liability at all.
Thomberry/ Yeah.
Wolfe/ Their pockets are deep. It's a $10-$12 billion a year company. You know, I
mean, their pockets are deep.
Champion/ Who would every thought there'd be that much money in trash?
Wolfe/ The largest company right now makes $14.5 billion a year.
Thomberry/ That's "b" billion.
Wolfe/ That's billion.
Lehman/ Well, obviously, there's something we've got to address, and I really appreciate
your coming.
Wolfe/ Yeah.
Lehman/ And I, it's not going to be an easy thing for us to.
Wolfe/ No, it's not. It's not easy for me, either, but you know, I --
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Champion/ I hope the haulers will let us try to work through this before they --
Audience/ (Can't hear).
Thomberry/ He is.
Audience/ (Can't hear).
Thornberry/ That's the reason that Tim's here.
Wolfe/ That's the reason I'm here. I want to support my local community, you know.
I'm a local business. I started out here in a one-ton truck. We've got 10 trucks
now and fourteen employees, you know. I mean, but I have to do what I have to
do to be competitive, and when he's paying less than half, it causes problems.
Lehman/ Thanks.
Champion/ Thank you.
Janelle Rettig/ My name is Janelle Rettig and I'm here to speak to you about the Housing
Authority's proposed changes on the definition of"family" --
Lehman/ That will be coming up later in the agenda.
Rettig/ Oh. I was told by the City Manager that there wasn't a public hearing, so I
should --
Lehman/ There's not a public hearing, but there is, there will be --
Rettig/ There will be an opportunity to speak?
Lehman/ At the agenda item, that would be the appropriate time.
Rettig/ The City Manager's office said that.
Thomberry/ Well this is, this is a public discussion for items not on the agenda. When it
comes up on the agenda, then you're, you can --
Rettig/ I'm sorry, I misunderstood what the office said.
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Lehman/ That's fine.
Kubby/ You're welcome to (can't understand).
Atkins/ No, Janelle, I don't think you misunderstood. It is not a public hearing, but
apparently, the Council is going to exercise the option of calling you up when the
item's up.
Rettig/ Okay, that's fine. Thank you.
Lehman/ Yeah, sure.
Mark Johnson/ Hi, my name's Mark Johnson. I'm with Johnson Builders. I had a
conversation with Ernie about a week or so ago, and Ernie asked me to see if I
was interested in coming up here to speak. You'll have to forgive me a little bit,
because this is the first time I've ever been up front talking. I live in Iowa City.
I'm an Iowa native. I'm a homebuilder by trade, and I build homes in Iowa City.
And I guess my company's name is Johnson Builders. I've been building for
approximately eighteen years. I've received many honors. I've done speaking at
state universities. And I've been very successful with many working
municipalities for many years in other areas. I came back to bring my family back
to Iowa City to raise my family, and hopefully retire here. I have struggled with
Iowa City and the Building and Safety Department for approximately two years. I
am looking for some help from you, and I am requesting some sort of a Work
Session, or some sort of an action to be done with the Safety department to create
better harmony and consistency between the builders and the City of Iowa City. I
am also part of the local Home Builders Association, and I am on the Legislative
Committee for the local Home Builders Association. And this is another reason
why I guess I feel very strongly about it. And I have given my report to them,
also, as I will be giving you a report. What I am here to do, I guess, is help
discuss some of the problems I've had, and hopefully, I'm going to give you a
folder that outlines some of the things that I'd like to see, some positive changes
that I hope will occur. And some of them that I'd like to see would be some sort
of a communication resource for the City to give builders on interpretation issues.
There's very poor communication between the City and the builders. And one of
the problems that I have is when we have a violation, or a code violation, a lot of
times, it's based on an interpretation. And we want to know, first of all, what the
code is, so that we can look it up and research it. Second thing is, we want to
know what their interpretation is, and how they're interpreting. And third of all,
we want to see remedies. We want to see how the problem's going to be solved.
Numerous situations, I've asked for this through the Building and Safety
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department. I've been told that they don't have time for it. I've asked them to
please talk about it. I've become frustrated. I've gone through the proper
channels and gone through, up through the head of the Building and Safety
Department, and basically had the door shut on me. I also think that there are
some production issues as far as inspections, that would greatly help the builder in
order to meet his projects on time, and to create a better atmosphere between the
builder and the Safety Department, and cut out some inspections that really have,
I guess, little importance and can put trust in some of the utility companies and
some of the licensed people that the State has licensed or the City has licensed.
One of the problems that I have had is I guess I feel that some of the codes I feel
have not been enforced uniformly. Sometimes they wish not to enforce codes, but
then they decide to enforce them later. There's no notification period. A lot of
times, it creates a problem for me, or for other builders, in order to try to even bid
a job realistically, when previous jobs have never been enforced, and they're now
becoming enforced, or they're taking different interpretations on situations that
cost us a great deal of money, and they're not telling us this until the final
inspection. One of the biggest things that I guess I look at is I see myself as a
customer. I pay between $800 and $1,000 for a permit, on top of taxes. And I
guess, I'd like to put you in a situation as a business owner, and I think that you
would expect to have a great service for what you have, and to have a good
atmosphere and relationship with the City for those services. And I would like to
see the City of Iowa City improve on some of those. On some of the issues that
I've discussed, after going through the City, I am a member of the National Home
Builders Association. I did call them up. They do have a person that works with
the UBC Code, helps the interpretations, and is a very good fact-finder. I gave
them a lot of the issues that I have had, because as builders, networking is part of
probably the greatest thing that we can do, and the Home Builders have a great
networking ability. I posed them with the questions of our interpretations, and the
majority of them were sided with me. They go by national interpretations, not
local interpretations. But even at that, I still can't get an interpretation in writing
from you City so that I can go from one job to the other with any consistency. I
am enclosing a report. I would like to request a Work-Study Session to be done
on the Building and Safety Department. I'm hoping that this will create more
efficient inspection procedures, producing valuable days lost to the builder, and
creating affordable housing. I'm requesting a communication resource to
eliminate interpretation issues in codes and classifications in Iowa City; provide
some notification time, 90 days preferably, to enforce codes and interpretations;
produce a written means of answering such issues; create a timely manner to
respond and resolve such issues in a positive manner. And I'd like to, I guess
what this report does, it highlights only some of the issues as a builder. There's
many other issues in land development, multi-family and commercial, that aren't
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being addressed here, and I'm talking to you as a builder, a home builder in
particular. I am willing to participate upon request to answer any questions by
Council prior to or during the Work-Study Session. And again, I have sent this to
the local Home Builders Association in hopes of them participating, and hopefully
producing this so that we can have a better Building and Safety Department. I
think we have a great opportunity right now. We have three new inspectors in the
department. And I'd like to see them go to the next level in Building and Safety
by creating a cutting-edge system, a positive work philosophy, and streamlining
the building and safety process for being the most proactive instead of reactive
type situation.
Kubby/ Steve, don't we have kind of an ad hoc committee of builders and contractors
and our appointed folks and staff that this would be a perfect topic to gather those
people together again for?
Atkins/ Sounds fine to me.
Kubby/ I mean, I'd rather have it go to them first and give some recommendations to us.
Norton/ Didn't we have, we had a task force on this very issue, didn't we?
Atkins/ We did, definitely. We just did this.
Kubby/ Yeah. And so I'd like to have us direct staff, funnel this to them and have them
report back to us.
Norton/ Is that group still in place?
Atkins/ Oh, we can reconvene them.
Kubby/ We can call them together and add some new folks.
Atkins/ We'll reconvene them.
Norton/ Yeah, because there was a big, elaborate study done on many of the issues that
you're citing within the last couple of years.
Johnson/ I can honestly say that those issues haven't been resolved.
Norton/ Oh, they haven't been resolved.
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Johnson/ And I'm having a great deal of issues.
Lehman/ Well, in all fairness, and I was on the Council when this occurred, and we did
get a report back from the Home Builders, and I believe there were like six or
seven items. And those items, ! think, were resolved to the satisfaction, I think, of
both the Housing Department and the Home Builders. Some of the things you're
talking about, and we have asked, we've had builders tell us for a long time, and
probably forever we will, that they don't like this or this or this. And we
continually have said give us a list of the things that you don't feel are right, now,
and that's exactly what we need. And when we've asked for the list, what we've
gotten back, we have resolved. Now, I think that Karen's suggestion is probably
good. If we can reconvene that committee, and you can meet with the committee
along with the staff folks, go over these things, and then we could get from that
committee, you know, their recommendations. But our problem has continually
been we have asked and we have not received. I think your giving it to us.
Johnson/ I was recently on the Legislative Committee, I've just been on it for two
meetings now. And I agree with you. I think that part of the things that they had
done, they had picked and chosen some main topics, and they didn't want to give
a real large list to overwhelm and to try to do things, and again, this is just from a
builder's perspective, it's not from a commercial builder, it's not from a land
developer and a lot of other issues. And I guess that's why I'm speaking to you
from Johnson Builders standpoint, not from the committee standpoint. They are
anxious to get going. We're, they want to become more active, and that's why
they've solicited, they had a one-person team at that point. Now we have four to
five people. Now they know that this situation needs to be turned to a more
positive situation, and they really want to work with everybody and be a part of
it. I think a lot of home builders do, too. And I have had a lot of issues that have
just almost, almost stopped my construction company, and has taken away the
trust between me and the City. And it really bothers me. I have never had, in
eighteen years, I have never had to come and stand up before Council. Everything
has always been done through the Building and Safety Department. Everything's
resolved. If you have a problem with an inspector, or an interpretation, it's
always answered. It's always, if necessary, put in writing. And they distribute it.
I think there needs to be a communication resource, whether you need to register
contractors, or get it through a building resource for people to pick up, or
whatever, that the City of Iowa City should have on interpretations for
consistency. I have a situation right now where I'm straggling with them. I
talked to the national Home Builders, and they're saying they're way out of line.
There's no way that they can even interpret this. And they're trying to tell me that
a double-door in a basement is considered a garage. And we've talked and talked
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until I'm blue in the face. I went clear up and thought I had it all resolved, re-
inspected, boom. I lost a closing on that. It cost me a lot of time and effort and I
guess, you know, I can get the interpretation from the national people, but I think
that our City should be handling that, and it should be handling it in a better,
smoother, and I still don't know what their interpretation is. Because I asked for
it in writing, and I was told, flat blank, I will not put it in writing.
Kubby/ Well, those specific examples will be helpful, I think, for the committee, and I
think that we've agreed that that's a good route to go, so we need to get some
folks together. So thanks for your specific.
Lehman/ I think we can do that, we can get the committee together, and you can bring
your concerns. And I think you'll find that we are just as anxious to do this in an
expeditious manner as you are to have it done. So, it's always been a matter, I
think of communication.
Johnson/ So, and I think that they're good people, I think that they just need, I think there
needs to be a meeting of the minds, and again, something established as a
communication resource to make it better.
Vanderhoef/ Mark,--
Lehman/ We will set up a meeting and get a hold of you.
Vanderhoef/ Your original request was a meeting with Council. Are you okay with
having just the committee reconvene, or are you still wishing a Council member
to sit on that committee or something like that?
Johnson/ I think that, I guess I'd leave it up to you, but would a Council member have
more impact than the committee?
Norton/ It'll then come to us.
Vanderhoef/ It's not a matter of impact.
Johnson/ I'm putting my trust in what you guys feel is best.
Kubby/ Their recommendation --
Johnson/ What I've done is I've outlined something to really help, I'm the type of
person, ifI have a problem, I try to get a solution. I want solution-makers, I don't
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want problem-makers. And that's what I've tried to do. I've tried to not outline
the problems, but outline also some of the solutions that I feel need to be done in
order to make us go forward. Because that's what we want. We want a positive
industry. We want a relationship that's going to make the City and the builders
both work together in harmony.
Lehman/ I think we all do.
Johnson/ You want me to give these to you?
Lehman/ Give that to the City Clerk and she'll see to it that we get copies. We'll make
copies.
Kubby/ We'll get copies.
Johnson/ Thank you.
Lehman/ Thank you.
Kubby/ Marian said they'd be in the next packet.
Lehman/ Okay.
Thomberry/ Okay.
Karr/ Could we have a motion to accept that correspondence?
Thornberry/ So moved.
Kubby/ Second.
Lehman/ Moved by Thornberry, seconded by Kubby. All those in favor- (ayes). Motion
carried.
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ITEM NO. 6c PLANNING AND ZONING MATTERS - Consider an ordinance
conditionally changing the zoning designation on a 1 O-acre tract located on the
south side of Melrose Avenue and west of West High School from Low Density
Single-Family (RS-5) to Planned Development Housing (OPDH-8) to permit an
80 dwelling unit retirement community. (REZ98-0002) (Second consideration).
Lehman/ (Reads agenda item #6c) Third consideration will not be made until after, my
understanding is there's a building permit which will not be issued until a sewer
line's hooked up.
Thornberry/ Move adoption of the ordinance.
Lehman/ Moved by Thornberry.
Vanderhoef/ Second.
Lehman/ Seconded by Vanderhoef. Discussion? Roll call-(yes).
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ITEM NO. 6e Consider a resolution approving a preliminary plat of Walnut Ridge, Parts
6 and 7, a 66.68 acre, 20-lot residential subdivision located at the north terminus
of Kennedy Parkway. (SUB98-0001)
Lehman/ (Reads agenda item #6e). This has also been approved by the P/Z Commission,
and recommended by staff, and I think it's subject to the approving of a Sensitive
Areas --
Thornberry/ Site license.
Lehman/ Site plan.
Norton/ It has been approved, I take it.
Thornberry/ Yeah, it has been approved.
O'Donnell/Yeah, they've been approved.
Lehman/ They have? Okay.
Norton/ Move adoption of the resolution.
Lehman/ Moved by Norton.
Vanderhoef/ Second.
Lehman/ Seconded by Vanderhoef. Discussion? Roll call-(yes).
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ITEM NO. 7 PUBLIC HEAR1NG ON PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE FLOOD
INSURANCE RATE MAPS.
Lehman/ (Reads agenda item #7 and comment) P.h. is open.
Rick Fosse/ Would you like some background, first of all, on what we're up to, or are
you keeping it brief?.
Lehman/ This is a very unusual sort of thing for, I think from us to do, because of the
impact of our actions. So if you'd like to just briefly explain.
Fosse/
Sure. First of all, what we're doing tonight is a public heating on the proposed
map amendments. The maps were originally done in the mid '70s. They were
redone in 1985 to reflect the changes along Ralston Creek along the North and
South Branch Extension Basins, and now we're redoing them to show the effects
of what we learned from the flood of '93 and also in areas where we've
experienced development, or there have been other changes that we've noted.
There is no approval by the Council at this point in the process. After we get the
public input, we'll go back and incorporate that input into the maps where
appropriate, and we've gotten some good input so far. And from here, it'll go to
FEMA for their review, and approval, and there'll probably be some exchange of
information at that point. And then it'll come back to you for adoption, and then
use for Flood Plain regulations. And if you like, I can take the time to show you
the areas in town that we're revising. Otherwise, you know, I know we've got a
lot on the agenda tonight.
Lehman/ Well, I think the important thing, Rick, for the public to realize that this map is
not the end of anything. If the property is incorrectly designated, it can be
changed by coming down and proving that the property is or is not, according to
the map, as I understand it.
Fosse/
Well, if there are properties on the fringe of the flood plain, for instance, where
they think it's above and they'd like to confirm that, FEMA has what they call an
Elevation Certificate. And the property owner needs to hire a registered land
surveyor to certify the first floor, or the lowest floor of their house. And with that
information, they can get their flood insurance rates adjusted, possibly, or get
what's called a Letter 0fMap Amendment for that particular property.
Thornberry/ Well, once they're designated in a flood plain in Iowa City, they're there, is
that correct?
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Lehman/ They can change it.
Fosse/ That's what the Letter of Map Amendment is all about. That can show that
indeed they are above the flood plain, and that's something that, you know, we
don't change the maps every time we get a Letter of Map Amendment, because
we get probably five or ten of those a year. But that's something that, if I were the
property owner, I would record that information with my deed so that it runs with
the property and people can keep track of it.
Thornberry/ Is this a big change from what it has been, Rick?
Fosse/ Perhaps the most significant changes are occurring along the Iowa River, and in
some of the, well here, let me show you on the map.
Thornberry/ I mean, I don't remember what it was before, so I don't, I can't tell what the
big difference is.
Fosse/
We're seeing some changes along here in the Parkveiw Terrace area. Now, what
we're finding, and that's part of what we're working on in the public review
process is that our profiles are probably going to be adjusted downwards there
about 4/10 of a foot, versus what we'd first come up with here. But it's still
higher than what it was on the old maps. Also, in this part of town, along Willow
Creek, especially along the main branch of Willow Creek, we found that the flood
profiles have gone down in that area, because development has worked in our
favor because of the stormwater detention basins from development. And the
Interstate has worked in our favor as well, because it holds water back. We've
found that both our North Branch and South Branch detention basins are
accumulating sediments, and that's something that, while they still function
adequately now, but it's something that we need to keep an eye on and think
about getting some of those sediments out of there. And that's why we looked at
those areas.
Norton/ What does a person have to do then? Do they have to bring more than just to get
a surveyor, do they have to have aerial photos or other kinds of evidence about
where the water was in '93 and so forth?
Fosse/ No, no. For the existing maps that are in place now, or these once they're
enacted, it's all keyed off the elevation that goes with the maps. And if the survey
shows that it's above or below that elevation, that's what makes the
determination.
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Norton/ And that's the elevation of the first floor, not the, you're not talking basements
here, are you?
Fosse/ I might ask from some help from Sulo Wiitala on that. Sulo Wiitala is the
engineer with Shive Hattery who's been working on the project with us. Sulo,
can you come up?
Sulo Wiittala/ Really there's a significant elevation on a house that's in that flood plain
is the lowest level of the ground that touches the structure. If the lowest elevation
of the ground that touches the structure is below that our profiles show, then it's
in that flood plain area. If it's above, then you're okay.
Lehman/ Nothing to do with basements.
Wiittala/ Well, ifa builder puts in fill and raises his structure with fill, then there's a
second item that he has to satisfy. Then, that basement floor has to be above that
elevation, also.
Lehman/ The original elevation.
WiittalaJ That's right.
Lehman/ Okay.
Fosse/ Other questions, or should we open it up to the floor?
Lehman/ Open it up.
O'Donnell/ There is a method to adjust this flood plain map. Is that correct?
Fosse/ There's a method for adjustment for individual properties, and that's that Letter of
Map Amendment.
O'Donnell/ Okay.
Fosse/ The maps themselves will remain, you know, they'll look the same. It's the
Letter that runs with the property.
Lehman/ Any other comments from the public? Rick, you did -- Oh, no, there we go.
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Joye McKusick/ Rick, I think you and Sulo both have some things. My name is Joye
McKusick, and I spoke to you at the last Council meeting, and at that point,
addressed several issues of concern that I had, and I want to share with you all
tonight that I have been so very, very pleased with the cooperation that I have
gotten, not only from those of you on the Council who've been particularly
supportive and helpful of me, but also Rick Fosse who has spent considerable
time and several telephone calls, and the folks from Shive Hattery as well. So, I
couldn't have asked for more response, and positive support and wonderful
explanations as far as any of us can figure out some of the FEMA regulations.
But at least to know what sort of thing I can expect, and what sort of things are
going to be expected of me. So, I wanted you all to know how much I appreciated
the time you gave me two weeks ago. The appropriate issues, as far as I'm
concerned, are being very well and competently addressed. Thank you.
Kubby/ Thank you.
Lehman/ Thanks for coming down. Anyone else wish to speak? P.h. is closed.
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ITEM NO. 8a AMENDMENTS TO THE FY98 OPERATING BUDGET.
a. PUBLIC HEARING
Lehman/ (Reads agenda item #8a). State legislation mandates municipalities amend
their annual budgets by May 31 st. We've got detailed information on the
amendments. We've got a book that is too thick to read, but we're going to have
a p.h. on that. P.h. is open. Don, would you just give us a thumbnail sketch of
what it is that we're doing so the public knows why it is we're doing it, and what,
oh my goodness. That's not a thumbprint, that's --
Don Yucuis/ Right on page 100--. Now, this is required by State law, we cannot spend
more, Council has to authorize the budget, and if we spend more in State
categories, we have to answer to the State and answer to the people, so we have to
make sure that we've budgeted enough and we can't exceed that in expenditures.
So what this document does is it amends the budget based on projects that have
been changed, new ones that have come on, ones that we've deleted, and we've
quite a few deletions this time, as far as modifications, mainly to the Capital
Improvement Projects. In total, we've decreased the current budget by close to
$16,000,000. That's the overall budget, that's not just General Fund, but that's
everything. So, what this does is it makes us legal in the State's eyes.
Lehman/ This is basically routine?
Yucuis/ This is routine, yes.
Norton/ Are we doing this twice a year, or just once?
Yucuis/ We're doing this twice a year, and the rationale for doing it twice a year is if,
what we do on the first amendment is we carry over budget authority from the
prior year items that have not been paid out cash-wise, but they're ongoing
projects, and we carry over that budget authority in most cases in August, from
the prior fiscal year. And the reason we do that is to make sure that we're in
compliance with the State law. The Department of Management would look at if
there was any complaints or appeals for our budget, they would look at what our
approved budget was by the City Council. And if we exceeded any of the State
categories, they could come back and say well, you can't tax for that, or you can't
budget for that, and you might need to change your budget and move things
around and not do some projects. And so we're trying to make sure we're in
compliance with the State to make sure we don't get hurt. To make sure we don't
have to go to the State and appeal to them and say we really need to do those
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projects and you're telling us not to. So we're trying to comply with the State
law.
Norton/ They look at it in those four categories of community protection, is that the
category you're talking about, new development?
Yucuis/ Yes.
Norton/ Community Development, Home and Community, Environment, and Policy and
Administration.
Yucuis/ Correct. Those are the four areas that they look at on the expenditure side. They
really don't look at the revenue side that much. It's mainly the expenditure side,
and you have to stay within your budget authority within those four categories.
Lehman/ Do you think the State actually reads all of this?
Yucuis/ I don't think they read it. But if you have an appeal of your budget, they're
going to read it, and you're going to go to Des Moines and you're going to have
to appeal your case to them.
Lehman/ This is documentation, on other words.
Yucuis/ Correct.
Lehman/ Thank you for not reading everything you have there.
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Lehman/ Okay, any question for Don other than what we have had? Thank you, Don.
Norton/ I'm submitting some suggestions, you know, some categories so I know exactly
why things happen. That's all. At least more reasonably, a little more detail, in
other words, I'm trying to find out whether it was mis-estimates, whether it was
overruns, whether it was unexpected things. I think if we could identify some
categories, it would help me understand a little better how to read this.
Yucuis/ Any questions that you have, I will be happy to answer. If not today, we can
answer them at a later time.
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Kubby/ Thanks, Don.
Thomberry/ Thanks, Don.
Lehman/ P.h. is closed.
Kubby/ Move adoption of the resolution.
O'Donnell/ Second.
Lehman/ Moved by Kubby, seconded by O'Donnell.
(yes).
Any further discussion?
Roll call-
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ITEM NO. 9 IOWA CITY'S FY99 ANNUAL ACTION PLAN, THAT IS PART OF
THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN (CITY STEPS), AUTHORIZING THE CITY
MANAGER TO SUBMIT SAID PLAN AND ALL NECESSARY
CERTIFICATIONS TO THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND
URBAN DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGNATING THE CITY MANAGER AS
THE AUTHORIZED CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER FOR THE
CONSOLIDATED PLAN.
a. PUBLIC HEARING
Lehman/ Now, we asked the Committee for, if they wished to re-evaluate a couple of
items on this. They have told us that they stand by their original recommendation.
There has been no recommendation other than the one that we originally received.
P.h. is closed.
Karr/ Could we have a motion to accept correspondence?
Vanderhoef/ So moved.
O'Donnell/ Second.
Lehman/ Moved by Vanderhoef, seconded by O'Donnell. All in favor- (ayes). Motion
carded.
b. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING.
Thornberry/ Move adoption of the resolution.
Lehman/ Moved by Thomberry.
Kubby/ Second.
Lehman/ Seconded by Kubby. Discussion? Roll call-(yes).
Norton/ Ernie, I should have commented this before, we should express as usual our
thanks to the Housing and Community Development Commission for their hard
work in sifting all the requests they had, with less money this year to deal with
and bigger and more and larger requests, and a tough job of cutting it down and
then dealing with challenges to that decision. I thought they did an excellent job.
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Lehman/ I think that's exactly right, Dee. They worked with us developing the
guidelines, followed their guidelines, made the recommendation. I'm pleased that
the Council accepts it.
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ITEM NO. 11 CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE ADOPTION OF
THE CHANGES TO THE SECTION 8 ADMINISTRATIVE PLAN AND
PUBLIC HOUSING ADMISSION AND OCCUPANCY PLAN FOR THE
IOWA CITY HOUSING AUTHORITY PROGRAMS.
Lehman/ (Reads agenda item #11). And I guess maybe we should read this. (Reads
comment).
Karr/ Could we have a motion setting it on the floor for discussion?
Lehman/ Yes. Do we have a motion?
Kubby/ So moved.
Thomberry/ SECOND.
Lehman/ Moved by Kubby, seconded by Thornberry. Discussion? I think Doug, you
have something to give us up front.
Doug Boothroy/ Based on our discussion Monday night, Council raised a number of
different questions about changing the definition of"family" and I'd like to
recommend that we defer action on the definition of"family" for a couple weeks
while staff has an opportunity to get legal opinions and feedback from HUD.
There just wasn't enough time from last night's meeting to tonight's meeting to
do what was necessary. And I would prefer to have a good definition, a definition
that's defensible, and one that we're comfortable with before we go forward. So,
if you wish, I would like to make that recommendation.
Lehman/ So you're recommending that we amend the resolution by deleting item #4 to
be deferred to a later date?
Boothroy/ Definitely defer it, so that we can bring it back up for discussion, but giving us
more time to get the necessary research so that we can deal with some of the
issues that you raised.
Norton/ We're deleting which?
Lehman/ Item #4 on the resolution is "To change the definition of"family" to meet HUD
and Equal Opportunity guidelines."
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Kubby/ But Doug, the questions last night were not really about the legality of those
definitions, it was whether or not we can have a local preference stating that
households with dependents will be on a higher priority than households of adults
only.
Boothroy/ Right. We haven't confirmed that answer one way or the other.
Kubby/ But I want to be clear that that's what we're talking about, we're not talking
about whether Iowa City can choose to use our own definition of "domestic
partnership". That's not the issue.
Boothroy/ That's not the issue. But that particular point that you made seemed to be a
turning point with regard to whether or not this thing was going to work.
Kubby/ Right. We just need to be clear what it is we're talking about. I didn't think it
sounded very clear.
Boothroy/ Okay, right, yes.
Kubby/ Thank you.
Boothroy/ Thank you.
Lehman/ Does Council wish to amend this by deleting Item #4 to be considered, deferred
to a later date?
Thornberry/ I would like to recommend or to move that number 4 on the resolution be --
Norton/ Deleted.
Thornberry/ Deferred to a later date. Unknown later date.
Kubby/ Does that, I mean, we have a lot of people here who want to speak with us, and
they've waited as long as people can continue to speak so that --
Lehman/ Yes.
Thomberry/ I've got a resolution on the floor, and if there's a second, I'm willing to hear
anybody and everybody.
Champion/ Oh, I'll second it.
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Lehman/ We have a move to amend the resolution by taking item #4 and to deferring it
indefinitely. That's the motion?
Thornberry/ Yes.
Lehman/ Made by Thornberry, seconded by Connie. Discussion?
Kubby/ Well, I'd like to suggest that we table this motion, hear from the public, and then
we can put that motion back on the table. What people have to say tonight may
make or break my decision to vote to defer that.
Champion/ The reason I --
Kubby/ I want to give them the opportunity to persuade me.
Norton/ It'll also depend on what we hear from HUD about what we can and can't
reasonably do.
Vanderhoef/ That's right.
Champion/ I think it's a good idea.
Thomberry/ I would like (can't understand).
Champion/ Because we're going to have a lot of discussion tonight, and I think we all
need to mull over what we do tonight.
O'Donnell/ Absolutely.
Thomberry/ But I would still like to move the question of the resolution.
Norton/ Okay.
Lehman/ Well, we, Karen, I think you made the motion to table this, is that correct?
Kubby/ Yes.
Lehman/ Is there a second to that?
Kubby/ I want to hear from people first, before we vote on deferring.
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Lehman/ Is there a second to the motion to table? Then the motion dies for lack of
second. Discussion? And I think at this point, we can certainly take discussion
from the public.
Kubby/ I--
Lehman/ Go ahead.
Thomberry/ I still --
Kubby/ Sorry, no.
Norton/ Let's hear.
Vanderhoef/ We'll hear from them.
Thornberry/ On the resolution, and then listen to the public.
Vanderhoef/ Come on, Janelle. Janelle's waited.
Karr/ Excuse me. Wait, wait. Moving the question ends debate.
Lehman/ All right. Is there a second?
Kubby/ We need a second and a 2/3's vote.
Karr/ That's correct.
Lehman/ It ends debate on the amendment. Is there a second on the motion to move the
question on the amendment?
Kubby/ Well, I guess that I --
Norton/ Wait a minute, wait a minute.
Kubby/ I'd like to suggest that we don't need to be moving the question. We can talk to
each other.
Norton/ That's right.
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Lehman/
second. Discussion?
from the public.
Kubby/ I--
Lehman/ Go ahead.
Thornberry/ I still --
Kubby/ Sorry, no.
Norton/ Let's hear.
Vanderhoef/ We'll hear from them.
Thomberry/
Is there a second to the motion to table? Then the motion dies for lack of
And I think at this point, we can certainly take discussion
On the resolution, and then listen to the public.
Vanderhoef/ Come on, Janelle. Janelle's waited.
Karr/ Excuse me. Wait, wait. Moving the question ends debate.
Lehman/ All right. Is there a second?
Kubby/ We need a second and a (can't hear) vote.
Karr/ That's correct.
Lehman/ It ends debate on the amendment. Is there a second on the motion to move the
question on the amendment?
Kubby/ Well, I guess that I --
Norton/ Wait a minute, wait a minute.
Kubby/ I'd like to suggest that we don't need to be moving the question. We can talk to
each other.
Norton/ That's right.
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Kubby/ We can have a conversation.
Dilkes/ But the motion's been made.
Norton/ (Can't understand).
Karr/ (Can't hear) to move the question?
Champion/ I seconded.
Dilkes/ To move the question or to second the motion to delete?
Thomberry/ She moved to --
Champion/ To defer.
Norton/ Amend the resolution by deleting item #4.
Dilkes/ Correct.
Thomberry/ I moved the question and Connie seconded it.
Lehman/ No.
Ditkes/ No, I think --
Lehman/ I don't think Connie knew that she seconded it.
Dilkes/ Did you second the move, the motion to move the question or the motion to
defer?
Champion/ The motion to defer.
Dilkes/That's okay.
Lehman/That's correct. That motion has been made. There is a motion to move the
question which would mean that there would be no further question on whether or
not we delay.
Thornberry/ Can I withdraw my motion?
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Lehman/ Your motion's withdrawn.
Kubby/ Thank you, Dean.
Lehman/ Go right ahead.
Vanderhoef/ Good job.
O'Donnell/ Roberts' Rules, I'll tell you.
Norton/ There you go, right.
Janelle Rettig/ Again, my name is Janelle Rettig and I've lived in Iowa City for nine
years, and we've owned a business for almost four. I'm here to talk about the
issue that's on the table, and that's going to be deferred. And I think that's a good
idea, because I think this is a much more serious issue than Federal Assisted
Housing. And let me try to explain why I think that's the case. Iowa City's
Human Rights ordinance defines "family", which would include people who are
in a domestic partnership, or eligible to be in a domestic partnership, and are
either registered that way or eligible to be. And what I understand that the
Housing Authority is asking you to do is to continue to make other Iowa City
departments consistent with our own Human Rights Ordinance. What is at stake
here, by some of the rhetoric that's been going on, is the definition of"family".
You are not being asked to define the federal govemment's definition of"family",
nor are you being asked to define the State government's definition of"family".
And you're not being asked to make a comment on whether same-sex marriages
should be legalized or not. What you're asking to do, and what HUD is giving
you the authority to do, is to define how you define "families" in the City of Iowa
City. We've defined families for 25 years as the same-sex partners are a family.
And with the rhetoric that's saying that we're not a family, what is at issue here is
not Federal Assisted Housing, which may or may not be utilized by very many
people. What is at stake here is how we as Iowa Citians define "family".
Currently, my partner and I, who are approaching our ten-year anniversary, are
defined as family under the Human Rights Ordinance, are defined as family
should one of us work for the City government or the University and get
insurance benefits. We're defined as family if we want swimming passes, which
recently was changed. We are not defined as family as Assisted Housing. HUD
has given you the authority to change that, and to make that consistent with
everything else in this City, and to continue to go through the Code and to
continue to go through our rules and regulations and to be consistent. Whereas it
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currently stand, and thank God we are not in need of assisted housing, but you are
already, as I understand it, same-sex couples with children are eligible for assisted
housing. Straight couples with children are eligible for assisted housing. Elderly
people, disabled people, heterosexual couples who are married, without children,
are eligible for housing. The group that is excluded are same-sex couple without
children. And they are excluded for no apparent reason. And in contradiction
with our own Human Rights Ordinance. Now, despite what everybody thinks, the
City of Iowa City has passed a Human Rights Ordinance which all of the rest of
us in town are required to follow, and thank God we are. That you can't fire us,
you can't discriminate on that basis on housing, on credit, employment, and other
things, based on sexual orientation. But the City of Iowa City is not required to
follow its own Human Rights Ordinance in its own dealings with its citizens.
And I think that's what's at stake in this debate. Not, and I mean, this is, started
out as federal assisted housing, and some of you I've talked with today who are
concerned that this is subsidizing a particular lifestyle. What is at stake here is the
definition of family that the City of Iowa City is going to abide by. And I think
that definition of family needs to be consistent throughout all of our codes and all
of our regulations. And so I just want you to think about that as we delay this,
that you are defining family and being asked to make it consistent with all the rest
of our codes. You are not being asked to make a determination on whether same-
sex marriages should be legal or not. Thank you.
Lehman/ Thank you.
Pat Harvey/ Good evening. My name is Pat Harvey and I'm Chair of the Iowa City
Human Rights Commission. I've been on the Commission going on six years.
This is my second year as the Chair. There's nothing that I can say tonight that's
better than what was already said. But in wanting to represent the Commission as
well as in my own heart as, my husband and I have been citizens of Iowa City
since grade school, so 1 think we've seen the development of the town quite a
ways and it's come quite a long way. But it's come a long way in the Human
Rights area as well, and I'm proud to have been a part of that the last few years.
But when I first joined the Human Rights Commission in '93, I thought I knew a
lot about Human Rights, having grown up in a city where we see a lot of
diversity, a lot of differences of opinions, differences of feelings, that are all, for
the most part, accepted. So I thought I kind of had a good basis of what I was
getting myself into. But as I've had a chance to work on cases through the
Commission, work with other Commissioners, other City staff members, and
being able to get out more in the community as a representative of the
Commission, I've learned so much more. And I think one of the things that I've
fully come to understand as I work for the City is that Human Rights is another
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name for simple fairness, or at least that's what it should be. It's a way for us to
measure our behavior, a way for us to take care of our responsibilities, and to
make sure that we just don't grow too comfortable with people that are like
ourselves. And I want to make sure that the City's open and fair to all of our
citizens. The proposal that you have before you, and the thoughts of the
deferment of item #4 is very important. It's another example of how the City can
take the right steps to make sure that all of its benefits, all of its ordinances, are
administrated fairly to all of its citizens. The proposal is not about preferences.
It's not about special treatment. It's not about sexual relationships. It's solely
about fairness in making sure that you exemplify what's already in your Zoning
Code, and what's already in your Human Rights Ordinance, and what's been there
for many years. I hope that you will think about this seriously and support and
exemplify what the City Zoning and what the Human Rights Ordinance
exemplifies, and not to treat divisions or different sub-sets differently among the
City's populace. Treat us all fairly. Represent the City all fairly. That's all we're
asking for. Thank you.
Lehman/ Thankyou, Pa.
Jeremy Price/ My name is Jeremy Price. I'm a graduate student at the University and a
member of COGS, the graduate students tinion, and also a member of the local
branch of the International Socialists Organization. And I have here a petition
that a few of us have been circulating just today, since 6:00, and I'd just like to
read it to you, having you know that most of the people have signed it, and a
number of people outside the Civic Center signed it before we came inside.
Concerning, of course, the issue on the table. (Reads petition). And I'd be happy
to leave with you the signatures that we've collected here today. It seems to me
that to vote in contradiction to the spirit of this petition on either of these two
issues would be little more than mean-spiritedness, and I would urge also that as
we're all here, so many of us with a great deal of concern about this issue, I would
like to see, in the interest of democracy and in the interest of responsible
government, a vote on this issue this evening while those of us who are interested
in the question at stake here are here to witness the results. So I'll just place this
in the hands of the Clerk.
Kubby/ Motion to accept correspondence.
Price/ Thank you.
Lehman/ Thank you.
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Vanderhoef/ Second.
Lehman/ Moved and seconded to accept correspondence. All in favor- (ayes). Motion
carried.
Osha Davidson/ Good evening. My name is Osha Davidson, and as a former member of
the Iowa City Human Rights Commission, I felt obligated to come out and talk
about this issue tonight. And again, as Pat said, I don't know what I can add
really, after the articulate and heartfelt and well-reasoned arguments already
made. And also, I feel embarrassed, Pat's lineage being here so long, since grade
school, I've only been here for 25 years. I feel like a newcomer.
Vanderhoef/ She's only 26.
Davidson/ Hey, I hadn't thought of that. This really is an important issue, and I know
you all understand that. And there's, it has the potential to be divisive, and it also
has the potential to be healing in the community. And I liked what I read that
Councilor Champion had said about not moving backwards. Because that's really
what would be represented by voting down this proposal. It would be a move
backwards. All this proposal means is that we do bring all aspects of the City, at
least one more aspect, into compliance with what our Human Rights Ordinance,
and what our commonly felt and commonly perceived view of what a family is,
just make that standard throughout. It is an important issue, and it's a contentious
issue. And it affects a lot of people. And by telling them, by voting against this,
what you're telling them is they're somehow lesser than other groups of people.
You're singling them out. And that shouldn't be done. There shouldn't be
special rights, but neither should there be special discrimination. And I'm afraid
that's what's at issue here. I just urge you all to keep your eyes on the prize of
what this is all about which is human rights and human dignity. And Councilor
O'Donnell, I remember you called me before the election and said, talked to me
about your passion, very articulately, about your passionate view and belief in
human rights. And I would just urge you not to lose that passion and to follow
through with that by making sure that this is a uniform approach to human rights
and how we define families. And giving dignity to all families in Iowa City.
That's what Iowa City stands for. Thank you.
Champion/ I also think it's important, and I'm surprised you didn't point it out, that
when you deny people basic rights that other citizens have, you also provide feed
for prejudice by other people.
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Jim Throgmorton/ Hi there. My name's Jim Throgmorton. Janelle, Pat, and Osha made
the points I wanted to, only far better, so I'm not going to blather on. I just want
to make one observation. I think his name's Rob, the fellow from Johnson
County Builders who just spoke to you about trying to achieve greater harmony
between the City and builders. And quite rightly, you listened attentively and
with empathy. And just as you will strive to follow his advice, I'd urge you to
speak and act in a way that will achieve greater harmony between the City
Council and the gays and lesbians that live in this community and who are
citizens of this community. Thanks.
Lehman/ Thank you, Jim.
Carl Beyerhelm/ My name is Carl Beyerhelm. I'd like to just follow up on the remarks
made by my predecessor here in terms of harmony between the City and gays and
lesbians. I speak as a heterosexual. And I believe that if we narrow the definition
of family as has been proposed, it will affect not only gays and lesbians, it will
also affect, in a very divisive way, heterosexual people and the "traditional
family". I would like to see this resolution be passed as it stands for the sake of
everyone.
Lehman/ Thankyou.
Kubby/ Thank you.
Dave Hemingway/ Thanks very much. My name's Dave Hemingway. I actually live in
St. Louis, although I'm very proud of the fact that I come from a century farm
family in the Iowa City area. And quite frankly, I think it might be more
advisable ifI simply send a letter when I understand all the details. But I've come
up from St. Louis specifically to be available while the planting season is going
on, and on, and on, it seems like, due to the weather. And it's, I'm very fortunate
in that I have a good job in St. Louis, and don't require assistance for housing, and
have a generous and understanding employer who can spare me while I come up
here, given severe health problems that my mother's been undergoing. And I
guess the point that I wanted to make is that any of, that you should bear in mind
as you consider this legislation, whatever it is, any difficulty that results to the gay
couples who may suffer or have more trouble finding housing as a result of the
action you take, or have more difficulty with their budgets because of it, it doesn't
only affect them, but it affects the heterosexual parents that most of them, like
myself, came from. And it, I guess I'd just like the Council to bear in mind that
whatever definition of family you use here, that's one part of a family unit which
typically includes heterosexual parents, heterosexual siblings, who are in a
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position to be supported in their occupations and raising their children. I don't
have children, just for whatever reason, not because of my affectional preference.
But the, any adverse impact that this legislation might have on gay children may
very severely hamper the ability of the family unit, which includes not just that
son or daughter who's gay, but the ability of the family as a whole to work with
one another and to fill in for the gaps when there isn't insurance, or not enough
insurance, and not enough help to take care of a parent or a sibling who's in
trouble. I appreciate your hearing me on that point which I hope I've expressed
clearly, and thank you for the opportunity.
Kubby/ Thanks for coming in.
Lehman/ Do we have any discussion from Council? The amendment on the floor is to
defer. Is there any discussion on the amendment?
Kubby/ Well, I guess we're in the same place as we were last night, after heating folks.
Lehman/ I think there's information we asked for last night that Doug alluded to that we
don't have.
Norton/ When it comes down to the priority question and so forth, I don't know, it's --
Kubby/ I mean, actually, our Human Rights Ordinance says that we shouldn't
discriminate on the basis of whether there're dependents or not. And so --
Norton/ Well, that's the question that needs to be clarified, whether you can exclude all
couples. I think in reality, the housing assistance goes to people who are disabled
or elderly or both, right? And families of whatever form that involve children.
Those are the high priority, I would assume that those are the high priority
categories. Then when you go beyond that to couples, and if we go to include
couples, then it's my judgment of course, we ought to include all couples. The
question of whether that's a different form of cut-off, but it's a matter of priority,
so that's what I'm trying to figure out whether that's legitimate that if you decide
that the limited money ought to be focused on the families with children,
basically, plus disabled and elderly, rather than on couples of any sort. But if you
include couples, I'm certainly not going to divide those into two groups, those
who can and those who can't. That'd be ridiculous. In my judgment of course.
Thornberry/ Dee, I agree, wholeheartedly. If you're going to include homosexual
couples, then you've got to include heterosexual couples, and it's all couples. It's
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the, it's not the lifestyle, so much as the availability of money to meet the best
need.
Norton/ But I understand that we're deferring because that may be clarified through
discussions with HUD, or discussions among ourselves. I don't know. But I
don't want to defer it just to be deferring it, because I've got no problem voting.
Thornberry/ I don't, either.
Kubby/ But Dean, currently, heterosexual couples without children can receive services,
correct? Maggie's shaking her head.
Norton/ But they're not officially in the HUD guidelines.
Thornberry/ If they're, only if they're married.
Norton/ They're not explicitly in the HUD guidelines, couples aren't.
Kubby/ Well, I'm saying that they're receiving services now.
Norton/ They may be, but they're not explicitly in the guidelines, as I understand it.
Kubby/ You should come up, Maggie. I'm trying to figure out --
Norton/ Maybe they should be, but they're not in what I read.
Thomberry/ No, it's not shifting at all, right?
Maggie Grosvenor/ They are. Do you want me to get the definition? It's defined by
blood, marriage, adoption, governmental, that definition is already in the policy.
Norton/ That's the zoning ordinance isn't it?
Kubby/ (Can't hear) for heterosexual couples, if you declare yourselfa couple, you're a
couple in the State of Iowa.
Grosvenor/ Right.
Kubby/ Isn't that right, Eleanor?
Norton/ Wait a minute, that's coming from the zoning definition, isn't it?
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Kubby/ Through common-law?
Norton/ Being incorporated as --
Thomberry/ It's the common law after a set period of time.
Norton/ This is why we're deferring, because we need --
Thornberry/ I believe it's down to one year.
Norton/ Some clarification.
Eleanor Dilkes/ There's no --
Kubby/ Let's see what's going on.
Dilkes/ There's no set period of time to create a common law marriage, but it's the
holding out of yourself a married couple and the things that go along with that.
It's not a set period of time.
Norton/ What are the guidelines for family composition?
Dilkes/ I think, that's a number that floats around, but that's not a --
Champion/ It'll be outdated in the next several years.
Thornberry/ Like I am.
Grosvenor/ I don't want to mis-quote, so I'm going to read it.
Norton/ Okay, read what the HUD definition is for family composition.
Grosvenor/ Okay, it lists it, a, b, c, d. And this term is used restrictively within the
housing assistance program. And the issue, it's number (a), "Persons who have a
legal family relationship of blood, marriage, or adoption, or other operation of
law."
Norton/ For other operations. Well then, that seems to conclude it.
Thornberry/ That would exclude.
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Norton/ That excludes it, so we have to modify that one.
Lehman/ Well, I think that's the question.
Grosvenor/ That's the question.
Lehman/ So the question is, do we want, the question here right now --
Norton/ How does HUD get away with having such a restrictive definition?
Grosvenor/ HUD doesn't define it. That's that clause I read out of the federal regs that
says it leaves it to a housing authority to determine. A family is a single or a
group of person. Period, said, done. They define elderly. They define disabled.
They define family with children. The rest of it, they leave to individual housing
authorities.
Vanderhoef/ And the question that did not get answered is whether any of these groups
with or without children, for instance, can be weighted and moved higher on a
housing list.
Grosvenor/ And that's a separate issue.
Vanderhoef/ That's--
Grosvenor/ That's entirely separate. This is strictly definition, because unless you are
defined as a family, and understand, single people can be defined as a family,
unless you are defined, you are not eligible to receive housing assistance. It's the
way the law reads. You have to define them. Then, you can prioritize them.
Norton/ Can you tell us how many families, how many couples, presently have housing
assistance, or is that __9
Grosvenor/ No. I can't tell you that. I can tell you 48% --
Norton/ I understand that 48% are disabled or elderly.
Grosvenor/ Right. I can tell you that. And 52% are families. But it doesn't designate a
childless family or just a couple being a family. Because the current definition
says you just have to be married or related by blood. You could have sisters. You
could have mother and daughter. That's a family.
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Norton/ Well I think we ought to get the language cleared up and straightened out clearer
than what it is here. That's the only reason I'd like to defer is because I think the
language is garbled as it stands, pardon me, as it stands. It needs to be clearer,
what we mean here, and it needs to be consistent with our Human Rights
Ordinance. And that's why I would vote to defer. I'm not voting to put off the
decision, just to get it straight and make sure we're not making two mistakes.
Champion/ I did have some phone calls today, insinuating that we were going to give
couples who weren't heterosexual housing preference. And that's not what's
intended. I think it's important that we make that clear. This just allows
eligibility. That's all.
Grosvenor/ Right, right.
Kubby/ So, Dee, because you're part of the turning key here, because the question about
local preference for presence or absence of children is really separate from the
definition, and we'll get an answer yes or no from HUD, can you explain to me
more clearly, I'm getting more confused now about what the connection is
between the definition of family and the decision about the preference for the
presence or absence of children.
Vanderhoef/ I thought they were tied together, and I was not willing to commit off the
cuff without having this sorted out last night.
Kubby/ Okay.
Vanderhoef/ Okay? I've had a lot of phone calls today, and I'm real clear that it's time
to move forward and identify couples as families, whether it be heterosexual or
whether it be homosexual. I recognize, for me it's a human issue. It's an issue of
fairness. I heard that word used awhile ago and find this to be very true for me,
also. It's a matter of, we are all human, we all have wants and needs. They are
not different, no matter what skin we have, what preference we have, what our
size is, what our religion is, we are human. And this is where I come down, is
we're human beings. Yes, if you call it discrimination, I would prefer to use a
preference of children in the families as being the first ones to receive assistance
in that, I recognize that that is still discrimination of a sort. And my whole way of
giving to people is to recognize that the children are first in my heart.
Kubby/ Dee, we still need to get the answer to that question, because many of us were
interested in that question.
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Vanderhoef/ That's fight, we do need it.
Kubby/ But does that prevent us from moving forward on what we have before us and
then having that come back to us, and if we do, if we can legally have that, once
people are eligible that there would be --
Norton/ Priorities.
Kubby/ A pfiofity system that we can have it come back to us.
Norton/ We could proceed that way. Yeah.
Vanderhoeff We could proceed that way, although I am listening from Dee and a couple
of other people, that the language in this is just not quite, quite clear. And I'm
real happy to defer it for, till the next meeting if that's what you want to do.
Norton/ I have no problem.
Thornberry/ For whatever it takes.
Vanderhoef/ For however long it takes until people are comfortable with the language
and we're clear on what we're voting on.
Thomberry/ That's fight.
Kubby/ Although I would like to make the observation that the two places that we're
changing things, one is from our Human Rights Ordinance, the language is clear,
it's already on our books, it's already what we live by. The other one is in our
Zoning Commission, it's already on the books, it's already functional, it's already
what we live by. So I think it's all here, and we're functioning with it, and we
haven't had problems with those definitions in terms of zoning or in terms of our
Human Rights Ordinance. So, I would like to maintain that because those
changes are written in those ways, we could go forward.
Norton/ We could proceed with that, and then quite separately consider the matter of
priorities, right?
Kubby/ When we get an answer.
Norton/ Because that still seems to me important. I kind of agree with Dee on that.
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Champion/ Well, it would probably alleviate a lot of people worrying if we proceeded
with it, and you wouldn't have to come back and talk to us again.
Margaret Loose/ Can I be recognized?
Norton/ (Can't hear) in which case --
Loose/
My name is Margaret Loose. I'm a graduate student at the University and a
member of COGS, the graduate student union. And I'd like to support the
sensible solution that Karen Kubby is proposing, and that is that we move
forward. Frankly, as a member of this audience, all the discussion about
language, and did we get the right information and so on and so forth last night,
feels, pardon me if I represent you, like obfuscation.
Champion/What does that mean?
Loose/
We're clouding a very simple moral and justice issue into a matter of legalese,
legal language. It is not a matter of legal language. We've gotten, I mean,
granted, to a certain extent there is legal precedent that we have to acknowledge.
But the legal precedent in Iowa City, as established in our zoning, as established
in our Human Rights policy is that we recognize same-sex couples. And all of the
talk about HUD and all of the talk about Des Moines feels like obfuscation. In the
interest of responsive government, here are your constituents. We bid you to
change this language to reflect an inclusiveness that reflects the people of this
City. Respond to the people. That's my request.
Champion/ (Can't hear) don't we do that?
Kubby/ Well, not everybody, I mean we just vote no about deferring.
Thornberry/ I don't think we should do this, and I don't want to be railroaded.
Lehman/ Let me just make a point. I think that there's, we're talking about a
reorganization of the Housing Department that has a lot of ramifications, not just
the definition of"family". I don't think anybody up here, and I may be wrong,
but I don't think anybody up here objects to the reorganization of the Housing
Department in making it as efficient and making it work as well as it possibly can
and help the most people it possibly can. I would really not like to see us vote and
have a vote be split because there is a misunderstanding or a misinterpretation or
those who would like to wait and have a better definition on item #4. I would
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personally rather see us vote unanimously to pass this, consider item #4 at a later
date, and possibly unanimously pass that when it needs the approval of Council,
than to see us vote and have it appear four or five years from now.
Dilkes/ Mr. Mayor, I'm sorry, but I believe that's a separate item, the reorganization is
item # 12.
Lehman/ This is all part of a package, as I see it. Maybe I'm wrong.
Dilkes/ I just wanted to make sure you understood it was a separate item on the agenda.
Lehman/ Right.
Kubby/ But Ernie, I would disagree with that. Because whether or not we reorganize the
office, --
Norton/ That doesn't, yeah.
Kubby/ These issues would still be coming before us.
Norton/ And they won't change.
Kubby/ And so I see them as completely separate issues. So I would, personally, as an
individual, disagree with that.
Norton/ We have to move along here.
Lehman/ Well, are we ready to vote?
Champion/ So--
Kubby/ We've got a motion to defer.
Lehman/ It's a motion for deferral.
Karr/ To delete item #4 and defer indefinitely is the motion we have on the floor.
Lehman/ Right is that a roll call or a motion?
Karr/ It's a motion.
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Lehman/ All those in favor- (aye - Thomberry, O'Donnell, Lehman). All those opposed-
(nay- Vanderhoef, Norton, Champion, Kubby).
Karr/ I'm sorry, could I have a show of hands? I'm sorry.
Lehman/ They ayes first.
Karr/ Ayes first.
Lehman/ To delay.
Karr/ Ayes to defer.
Lehman/ To defer. And the nays? Okay. Discussion on the original motion?
Kubby/ I also had a concern about the minimum rent, and I brought it up last night, but
two years ago is when we went from the $0 minimum rent to $25, and I'm
concerned that doubling it within two years is too much, and I would like to move
that the minimum rent be increased to $35.
Lehman/ Is there a second to that motion?
Norton/ I'll second that.
Lehman/ Moved by Kubby, seconded by Norton that we amend it to leave the minimum
rent at $25. Is that correct?
Kuibby/ No, increase it to $35.
Norton/ No, no, to move it to $35.
Lehman/ $35, I'm sorry. Increase it to $35. Discussion?
Kubby/ I think it's important that some rent be paid, and I don't have a problem with it
going up gradually. But I think the steepness of it going up does create problems
for people, even with having a hardship provision based on certain criteria that is
fair and consistently used with people. I just think going up that high that fast is
too much.
O'Donnell/ I think Maggie answered that question last night when she said it's to
encourage people to find employment.
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Kubby/ I don't think that kind of money is going to make or break that kind of decision,
but it might make or break how many potatoes you buy and how many hours of
child-care you get.
O'Donnell/ Well, I think we should vote on it.
Lehman/Further discussion? All in favor of the amendment say aye- (ayes - Kubby,
Norton). Opposed- (nays - Vanderhoef, Lehman, Thornberry, O'Donnell,
Champion).
Karr/ I'm sorry, that's 2-5?
Lehman/ 2-5, yes.
Champion/ What were we voting on?
Norton/ Might as well have roll call.
Kubby/ (Can't hear).
Karr/ Well, I'm sorry but I can't, everybody isn't voting.
Lehman/ Norton and Kubby voting in the affirmative.
Champion/ I'll vote for the $35.
Lehman/ That's Norton, Kubby and Champion in the affirmative. In the negative, I
guess you can figure the rest out.
Karr/ Yes. Yes, I got that.
Vanderhoef/ I have another motion.
Lehman/ All right.
Vanderhoef/ I voted not to defer item #4, but in deference to Councilors who would like
to support the rest of this issue, I would make a motion to separate item #4.
Champion/ Oh, sure.
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Lehman/ You mean, to vote on it separately?
Vanderhoef/ Sure, vote on it separately.
Kubby/ I would support that.
Lehman/ Motion by Vanderhoef, second by Kubby. Discussion?
that the entire Council can vote on all of this --
Thornberry/ On one, two and three.
Vanderhoeff On one, two and three, that's correct.
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The effect of this is
Thornberry/ To eliminate federal preferences, to establish a local preference to the
homeless, and to increase the minimum rents of public housing section 8 (can't
hear).
Lehman/ And then four would be voted on --
Vanderhoef/ Separately.
Lehman/ All in favor of the amendment to vote on this separately, say aye- (ayes).
Opposed- (none). The motion is carded.
Thornberry/ That's 7-0.
Lehman/ Okay. 7-0s we can have. Any further discussion on the motion, the resolution
as amended, which would be as it's written with item #4 being deleted for
separate consideration.? Roll call- (yes).
Kubby/ Move adoption of number four to be included in all of this.
Norton/ Second.
Lehman/ Moved by Kubby, seconded by Norton. Discussion? I will not support this,
and I'm really not happy about it. There are things I would like to know about
this that I don't know yet, and I'm pleased that we've separated this, because I
certainly favor the resolution. And I may very well be able to support that, but at
this point, I want more information, and obviously Council is not willing to do
that at this point. Roll call- (yes; Lehman, O'Donnell and Thomberry voting no).
Motion carded. We're going to take a short break.
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ITEM NO. 12 CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AMENDING THE BUDGETED
POSITIONS IN THE ASSISTED HOUSING DIVISION OF THE HOUSING
AND INSPECTION SERVICES DEPARTMENT AND AMENDING THE
AFSCME PAY PLAN.
Lehman/(Reads agenda item #12 and comment). We talked about this last night. Is
there a motion to approve it?
Thornberry/ Move adoption of the resolution.
Lehman/ Moved by Thornberry.
Vanderhoef/ second.
Lehman/ Seconded by Vanderhoef. Discussion?
Tairi Sackfield/ I gave a paper for everybody to have, part of the AFSCME contract. I'm
Tairi Sackfield, president for the bargaining unit of Johnson County area
employees, AFSCME Local #183. I'm not coming before you tonight to
challenge Maggie or Doug's ideas of saving money. AFSCME's always been
very successful with the City in reaching agreements in that area. I am coming
before you tonight to ask you to delay this vote on the reorganization of the
Housing, Assisted Housing Department. Two of the reasons, I'm just going to
share two of them. There are several more, but two of the reasons is first and
foremost, this just came to AFSCME's attention less than two weeks ago. we've
had one meeting concerning the proposed changes that Maggie and Doug have
suggested. According to last night's transcripts, they've been thinking about this
since February of 1997. And if you look at page 19 of the piece of paper that I
gave you, the last sentence of"b", "Reduction in Force"
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Sackfield/ In order to provide the most equitable treatment to employees who are to be
laid off. The second thing that I would like you to look at is number one under
that. "The City will attempt to accomplish reduction in force by attrition." Both
of these, when they discussed them with us, we were told that seven people were
going to be laid off. There was going to be different job classifications in that
department where employees who have been there for 20, 25, and 30 years, will
have the opportunity to apply. The next item, number two, "an employee whose
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job is to be eliminated may be transferred to vacancies within the department."
There's obviously going to be vacancies within the department. The jobs are
going to continue. Operations for assisted housing is going to continue. We want
our employees to stay there. We don't want them to have to apply for these jobs.
There's a lot more work that needs to be done here, and by a vote being cast
tonight in favor of reorganization is totally subverting the bargaining unit
contract, and I feel that we can reach an agreement if you just instruct staff to go
back and deal with AFSCME on this.
Lehman/ Thank you, Tairi.
Champion/ Steve, I may need some help with this. This is a reorganization of a
department and not a reduction because of a budget cut. Are the two treated
differently?
Atkins/ Well, I think you have to say that it's a reorganization of a division within a
department.
Champion/ Okay.
Atkins/ And secondly, as far as budget reductions, there is none that I recall that
substantially apply to this organizational change. However, all of our projections
indicate that we are going to get a declining federal dollar with respect to our
Assisted housing program. we're trying to anticipate the changes that are going to
occur. And I think if we can contract some change from five-year contracts for
certificates and vouchers to one-year contracts, I mean, clearly, it's our judgment
that financial changes are on the horizon.
Lehman/ Go ahead.
Jan Apel/ My name is Jan Able, and I was born and raised in and around Iowa City, and
I've been on housing because I'm disabled, totally disabled. And I feel that the
people that are there now are the best people for the job because they look at all
the changes that's gone on over the years and they've adapted to them, and they're
there to help the tenant, and they're also there to do the best job possible for the
people. And I feel that by changing them around and making them feel like
they're not sure from one day to the next whether they're going to continue with
their job really isn't fair to the work that they've put in. And I just don't feel that
this proposition that they've come up with is very good at all. I don't think these
people deserve to feel like maybe six months down the road they're not going to
have their job. And it might be a little too late for some of them to be able to get
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able to get another job. But I feel that whatever changes are made, they're going
to be the best people for that job, because they can do it. Thank you.
Lehman/ Thank you. Doug, I think this is a public meeting, we did have some
discussion last night, but I think there's a couple issues that I think we should, you
should address for the public, and a couple of these were brought up by Teri, and I
think you can probably tell the public as well as the Council. One is to do with
the amount of time prior to the action that we're talking about doing, the ability to
reduce folks by attrition, and the question of transfers within the department.
Boothroy/ Well, I think a couple of those are contract issues, and I would --
Lehman/ That's fine.
Boothroy/ Defer to Dale, because he's the one that deals with that issue. The only one
that is not a contract issue that you mentioned, I think, is the issue of time. And
the decision on the reduction, that there would be a reduction in one staff person,
was not reached until shortly before we prepared the memorandum and got that
ready. So, it's not true to say it was arrived at in February. I didn't know it in
February.
Lehman/ Well, there wasn't a decision made.
Kubby/ But the idea of the reorganization.
Lehman/ There wasn't a decision made until just prior to their being notified.
Boothroy/ There was not --
Lehman/ Your decision to want and the reorganization was made just prior to notifying
(can't hear).
Boothroy/ Right.
Lehman/ Okay.
Boothroy/ We crystallized it just before.
Lehman/ Dale, could you --?
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Dale Helling/ I think, to address the attrition item first, in a normal reduction in force
that's precipitated by a lack of funding or whatever, normally that's identified
farther in advance, and it's sometimes possible to do that by not filling vacant
positions that come along. And that essentially is what we try to do by attrition, if
a vacancy occurs, you simply don't fill it, anticipating that something's going to
happen. To apply that here would be to say that we don't, we wait until there is a
vacant position before we do a reorganization, and that could be weeks, months,
years, we don't know that. So clearly, I think that we're not in violation of this
agreement by not doing it by attrition, and clearly, it's only an attempt to
accomplish it by attrition. If you felt, for instance, that you wanted to do this by
attrition and so you want to wait until there's a vacancy, I can't tell you when that
might occur.
Lehman/ Well, let me ask you this. If folks who apply for these jobs, if they are not
hired, as vacancies become available in the department, will they have any
preferential treatment?
Helling/ They would be able to bid internally on any position within the City if they're
not -- maybe I can clarify something before I answer the second question about
the reduction in force. In the meeting that we had, we simply tried to identify
status, and it seemed to me, and I still believe this is the correct definition, that
anybody who is in a position and that position is eliminated, should be treated for
contractual purposes, as if they are in a lay-off position, even though there are
new jobs that they can apply for. And so we try to, that's what I was trying to do
was say what status I believe the contract puts them in. And I think they do, I
think it is the equivalent of a reduction, or a lay-off status, and I think that they
should be treated accordingly under the contract. The second thing that was
talked about was the number two that says "an employee in a job to be eliminated
may be transferred to vacancies within the department." May is permissive, and I
think it's permissive for a reason. I think when this language was negotiated, it's
been talked about in the past, the permissiveness comes about in the fact that
neither should we be obligated to transfer somebody into a position that they're
not qualified to perform, nor should an employee be forced to take a position that
they don't want just because they're being laid off from another position. And so
that's why the language is permissive, and I don't think there's any obligation to
transfer them to another position. By the same token, if it works out, it's possible.
Kubby/ Dale, is there a way that we can allow people to slide into the new positions and
let them have the option of saying yes, I want to be downgraded or upgraded, or if
they don't want to do that, that they then have that lay-off status so that they then
can have those rights to apply for other jobs within the City for a year?
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Helling/ When you say "let slide into a position", do you mean basically transfer them?
Kubby/ Yes.
Helling/ Well, I think we have to be careful because of the criteria that I just talked
about. You want to make sure that somebody has the ability to perform that job.
In this case, we're creating new positions, so we have to look at individuals to
make sure they can perform the function of the job.
Kubby/ I'm asking, can we do that? I mean, we talked last night about training and
everything and that for people who had potential to do the job, that they would get
training, so we know that that's out there. So I'm just asking the logistical
question, not, if we put everything else aside, can we do that?
Helling/ Well, we might be able to negotiate something like that. The question I guess,
two questions come to my mind. And number one, is that the best way to fill the
new positions. I think there's also the question of the fact that you have new
positions and there's other sections of the contract that cover internal vacancies,
so I think we'd have to have some sort of agreement with the Union that to give
these people preference over other internal applicants who also have the right
under the contract to apply for those positions. So, there's a protection of the
rights of other employees besides them. And that's part of the contract as well.
Kubby/ Right. But I guess my big concern is that it's our, it's not the decision because
of the individual behavior or the employee, or dissatisfaction with their work
product that we're doing the reorganization, is my assumption here.
Helling/ That's correct.
Kubby/ And therefore we know people have skills, we know people have longevity with
the program. People have been through directors that we have let go. They have
been there without directors. And I think that if it's possible for us to negotiate
this and spend some more time talking about it, I'd like us to spend some more
time talking about that, to see what can be negotiated to see something that is fair
for all employees. And for the department, last night, our time-frame was if we
vote yes tonight, the notice goes out tomorrow. And I think that's a little too
quick when there's some possibility for continued discussion. And that's what I'd
prefer for us to do at this time.
Audience/ (Can't hear).
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Helling/ Could I just make one more clarification? And that is in terms of staff, we're
trying to work this through with the Union. We met with them two weeks ago
and, at least my feeling is, that the door has always been open, and it still is. You
know, I don't have any problem with meeting and talking about how to apply the
contract and how to get through this process. But I don't know, I have to go by
the contract and I have to go by my interpretation unless somebody comes and
says we need to discuss this.
Kubby/ I want to --
Helling/ Because we are bound by the contract.
Kubby/ I want to hear --
Champion/ But they are Union, like the secretary and the people who run the Union, I'm
not familiar with. Are they full-time people, or do they hold jobs, and is the
secretary a part-time position? Or is it done?
Kubby/ You mean the secretary of the Public Housing Authority?
Champion/ Yeah, no, no, of the Union.
Kubby/ You mean the President of the Union?
Champion/ Or any officer. Tell me about it.
Kubby/ Are the officers in the Union full-time City employees?
Sackfield/ Not necessarily.
Champion/ Okay.
Kubby/ You need to come up to the mic.
Champion/ I mean I'm going to support this reorganization because it's going to be
beneficial to our recipients. But I also am very concerned about the possibility of
people losing jobs. And I hope we can work something out to, not to allow that to
happen.
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Sackfield/ Well, that's what's going to happen, according to the meeting, the only
meeting that we have had. They said seven people will be out of a job.
Champion/Well, that's not really true.
Kubby/ They can apply.
Thornberry/ But all seven can't apply for the three, four, five, six jobs.
Sackfield/ No, there'll be six jobs.
Thornberry/ So there'll be one reduction. I do have one question for Dale, if you're
finished, Connie.
Champion/ I'm done, ! think.
Thornberry/ Which gives the employee more benefits, more opportunity? Is it the
reduction in force or the lay-off status?
Helling/ Well, reduction in force is one way to result in lay-off status.
Thornberry/ I'm sorry?
Helling/ A reduction in force is one way that puts people in a lay-off status. This, this
would be a way, also with the reorganization, that some people who don't qualify
for the new positions might be in lay-off status. A person who's laid-off has some
advantages in competing for jobs against outside applicants. They compete on the
same basis as they do otherwise for, in competing with jobs with internal
applicants.
Thornberry/ Okay. But they would have a leg up on anybody applying for the Housing
Program Assistant positions. Is that correct? That would apply. They would
have a leg up over someone that is not currently an employee of the City?
Norton/ Right.
Helling/ Right. If you want, I can give you the language in that.
Vanderhoef/ And did I understand last night that the lay-off possibilities continue out
there for one year?
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Helling/ The possibilities of bidding as an internal applicant, even though you're not
currently in an employment status, that's correct.
Vanderhoef/ Okay.
Norton/ I've got a question. I, something disturbs me about this, because obviously an
organization can't be locked in one shape forever, and things change. On the
other hand, changes can be handled in lots of different ways. I have some trouble
that perhaps if you put it on paper and draw sketches, it looks neat to switch to
this parallel structure like that. But if you look at the people you've got, and their
goodwill and all the rest, and their good work, as far as I know, otherwise they'd
presumably be gone. So you'd think you might try to find a way that would
define the new jobs in a way so that the people, most of the people involved could
shuffle into the new ones, or get the new title, or something like that. I just, it
seems to me excessively harsh to throw it all up in the air and kind of start over
again, rather than, it might take a long time, it might take a year to get to the new
entity. But after all, we've been presumably struggling along, I assume
effectively, I hope reasonably effectively, well, for years, haven't we?
Thomberry/ Well, obviously, Dee, they've looked at this and --
Norton/ Well, I know, but I'm looking for an easier transition.
Kubby/ Right. I think I'm looking for a more --
Norton/ Comfortable transition.
Kubby/ Yeah. One that we know the, not necessarily the end results of, but because
there can be more discussion of maybe a more humane, or knowing a little more
clearly what the status of individuals are. I mean, when you look at our process,
we got this information on Friday. we're making decision about the whole
structure of a really important division of a department. We're looking at seven
people's livelihood over the weekend and making a decision. And two weeks of
discussion, although it doesn't sound like there was lots of them between the City
and the Union, and it just doesn't seem fair. And I would like us to defer this to
allow, I'm uncomfortable saying yes to the organization until we know more
clearly what the possibilities are for how the individuals can be dealt with in the
new system. I want those discussions to take place.
Champion/ So maybe some concern about the implementation of it?
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Kubby/ Yeah. And so I don't want to vote for it until I'm more clear about that. And so
I'm going to --
Thornberry/ It's funny you should want to delay this one when --
Norton/ Well--
Kubby/ Nobody's job's at stake.
Lehman/ Our, Dale, let me ask you this. Irregardless of the time-frame fro doing this,
are the rules and regulations regarding the re-employment, if you will, of the folks
who are laid-off governed by the Union contract?
Helling/ Yes.
Champion/ Yes.
Lehman/ In other words, we do not have, as an employer, a great deal of discretion in
how we handle a situation where jobs are eliminated and those people are allowed
to apply again. Is that correct?
Helling/ Well, certainly we have discretion in the sense that you determine if somebody
meets the qualifications for the job. Let me give you an example. Somebody
asked about the advantages in lay-off status over an outside employee. And I'm
paraphrasing the contract, I'm not reading it, but if a person in lay-off status
applies for a job and they meet the qualifications for the job and it's determined
that they can perform the job, then they get the job even if an outside applicant is
more qualified.
Norton/ Oh, okay.
Helling/ When they're competing with an internal employee, then if they have to be
shown to be relatively equal, or the employee, or the applicant who's most
qualified and is head and shoulders above the other would still get the job.
O'Donnell/ But if we have one of these employees that are applying for a job in the new
structure, they're going to be on probation, is that right?
Helling/ They would be subject to a probationary period in a new job. However, it
doesn't have to be a six-month probation, taking into account previous experience
and so forth.
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Kubby/ I guess, you know, I'm --
Thomberry/ Are all the new positions, I understand, are paid better than the positions
that are being eliminated with the exception of the two? Is that correct?
Norton/ Wait a minute.
Kubby/ Think about if you were a 24 year-old, a 24-year employee. You get
downgraded and you have to be back on probation, and you're doing more and
different work. That's the kind of organization it's going to be.
Norton/ On the other hand, this is --
Thomberry/ On the other hand, are we in the business to employ people or provide
service?
Norton/ This is presumably a quasi-business. We're trying to be reasonable.
Kubby/ The difference --
Sackfield/ That was my request, that we go back to the table.
Kubby/ And talk about it.
Sackfield/ And get this thing a little bit more organized, and then you guys vote on it.
Lehman/ May I ask what you would hope to accomplish?
Sackfield/ Well, it's obvious that our interpretation of some of the contract language is
not the same as Dale's. And we can go about figuring that out in a lot of different
ways. I don't want for people to be unemployed while we're figuring that out. I
want to figure it out and then go through the reorganization process. I don't want
the employee's being stuck in the middle of something that's going on, you know.
And litigation or arbitration or mediation or any of those things. I think that, you
know, I would prefer, and the employees would prefer if we get it straightened
out, and then.
Kubby/ To just sit down and talk it through.
Sackfield/ Right. And come up with specifics.
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Thornberry/ How long would you propose that this would take?
Sackfield/ Oh. I don't know. Dale, we did equipment in less than a month.
Helling/ Two things. Number one, there's no intent to lay all these folks off and debate
about this. That division has to operate. And so what would happen is, it would
continue to operate as it does until a certain date, at which the changeover would
occur.
Lehman/ Do we know that date?
Helling/ No, we don't at this point.
Kubby/ I think we need to.
Vanderhoef/ I think we set that after the vote.
Helling/ We project that, yeah.
Kubby/ I would move that we defer that for one month.
Norton/ Well, I have another question before we go to deferral. Would it --?
Kubby/ That's fine.
Norton/ Is it necessary that we jump all at once? To this nest of program assistants?
Suppose you could easily transition four people and you had a couple that didn't
transition for awhile because you were waiting for some other opportunity for
them to make a lateral transfer to some other department. Is that, you have to
have all five in place for it to work?
Thornberry/ The answer was yes.
Lehman/ I guess I have a question for you, Doug. What would you anticipate as the
time-frame, until this transition would be completed, if in fact we did vote on this
tonight?
Boothroy/ Are you saying how long would it take to qualify people?
Lehman/ Well, until --
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Boothroy/ I'm not sure, there's a couple of questions being asked. Maybe a technical
question here that deals with the contract.
Lehman/ Well, the flowchart that you gave us showing the new hierarchy, if you will, as
opposed to the new one. How soon would you expect that to be functional?
Boothroy/ We would like to have that functional sometime in the middle of June to late
June.
Lehman/ You can train those folks to do these program assistants positions in thirty
days?
Boothroy/ We are planning on making that effort, and we're planning on taking some
time to shut down the operation for a short period of time so that we can have
some intense training.
Lehman/ What happens during the thirty-day period to the folks who are currently
working there?
Boothroy/ I think that's a contract question that I'd ask Dale. In terms of, you mean in
terms of whether they have a lay-off status or ? They continue to be employed in
their job.
Lehman/ They continue to work?
Boothroy/ Right. Until we make that transition.
Lehman/So their job continues until the date-specific. Like, let's just say, for June
something or other, that's when we're going to be up and running under the new
operation. At that point in time, those other jobs are no longer in existence.
Kubby/ But that --
Vanderhoef/ It would seem to me that as long as those employees are continuing to
work, that I'm concerned about employees who sit there wondering for additional
weeks and week to get going on it. And as long as they are being fully-employed
just like normal, to move ahead with this, and get a decision for them.
Boothroy/ That's what we're trying to do tonight.
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Vanderhoef/ Yeah. And there are two ways of looking at taking care of employees. And
there's certainly an amount of stress when the question is still sitting out there, is
this going to happen or is that going to happen, and so on and so forth. And I
guess I lean towards taking care of employees in that we've got the month to train
and to work with the Union to see what can be accomplished that takes care of the
employees in the very best way possible.
Kubby/ But, Dee --
Vanderhoef/ So, in other words, I'm ready to move ahead with this tonight.
Kubby/ One reaction I have to that is that I agree that there's stress put on people when
they don't know what the outcome is. And I really hear and feel that point. But
the process we're using is all on, it's not a negotiated process.
Norton/ Yeah.
Kubby/ It's a one-sided process that we're dictating, or that the department is dictating,
and that there may be some great solutions that the Union and the employees and
Doug and Maggie and Dale can all sit around together to foster that on a group
terms. It's good for the department. It's good for the people that we serve in the
department, and also, it's good for the individual employees. And by voting
tonight, we're going to go ahead with the one-sided, with our, with the plan as
laid out, and there's no room for that negotiation to then take place. So I'd rather
put that negation --
Vanderhoef/ I guess what I might respond to that, Karen, is the fact that any time during
that hiring process, am I not right, that that process could be stopped if they saw
something else that they would choose to --
Kubby/ But it's guaranteed that it doesn't happen unless we have some oversight of this,
and --
Vanderhoef/ What's guaranteed?
Kubby/ If we defer this, and have those negotiations and those discussions take place and
we withhold voting on it until we hear further how those discussions go, we're
guaranteed that there's motivation on everybody's part to participate fully in those
conversations. And it gives us a little more leverage.
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Thornberry/ I agree that I don't want to put these people in limbo for a long period of
time. That's why I'm, I think that we should vote on it now, and then have the
month or month and a half, or two months, or whatever it takes to do the
reorganization so that they would know that yes, I'm going to apply, or no, I'm
not going to apply, I'm going to look for something else within the City. I don't
think it's fair to put these people in limbo and let them know that this is going to
happen and be working with the, with all the parties involved. And so that there
wouldn't be that consternation of the employee.
Norton/ I wish I had some feeling that the people who are affected, that is, the
employees, are in question, right, in general, bless the concept that we're looking
at. I'm not sure that that's the case. Is it, Dean, do they have to?
Thornberry/ I'm not sure --
Lehman/ Well--
Norton/ Do they have to? Because they've got to work in it, many of them.
Atkins/ Well, we're not here to negotiate the reorganization. we're here to seek your
approval. We will negotiate the impact and implementation in a fair and equitable
fashion.
Norton/Well, that's the other side.
Atkins/ But up here, this reorganization is proposed to you by your staff, to you, and we
ask for your blessing on it.
Kubby/ And I want to withhold approval for the reorganization until we've figured this
all out.
Boothroy/ I also want to reinforce that staff evaluation, staff assignment is why you hire
Maggie and I. This is a management decision, and this is something that is based
on what we think is the best way to move this organization forward, in terms of
customer service and productivity.
Kubby/ That's--
Lehman/ I think that's a very good point, in that if the department does not function up to
our expectations as a housing authority, which we are, you are the person who
will have to answer to that. Now, I think, as being in that position, I feel it's
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important for me to listen to what you, I don't want to tell you how to do your job
and then criticize you if the job doesn't work right. I mean, you're calling the
shots. It's your call. If this works, or, you work for me, baby. I mean, and I think
Kubby/ Not really.
Lehman/ Well, ultimately, we are the Housing Authority, and Doug works for us. And I
think it's a matter of confidence in our staff, I really have a great deal of
confidence that we will be as considerate as we possibly can in the handling of
these employees. Because I think this is a critical issue. It's obviously something
that impacts them greatly, and obviously is of great concern to the Council. But
obviously, the running of the department, running it in an efficient way that
maximizes the benefits to the folks that we are trying to serve, is the job that
we're charged to do.
Vanderhoef/ Absolutely.
Lehman/ I'm not opposed to, and I think we should act on this, and at the same time,
admonish you, as I'm sure you will, to be as considerate as we possibly can in the
way we treat these employees.
Kubby/ Ernie, your argument is exactly why we should defer, because once we approve
this reorganization, it's out of our hands.
Norton/ That's right.
Kubby/ It's up to Dale and, and the reading of the contract to go through the process.
Once we vote for this, it's hands-off as policy-makers. That's why we shouldn't
do it without some more discussion.
Sackfield/ Could I address --?
Norton/ We do address the policy. Either we bust the policy or not, don't we? That's, if
I could get a tangible reason for, a tangible result of the deferment, that's what
I'm not clear about, what we would get in two weeks.
Sackfield/ I'll give you one. I'll give you one.
Norton/ Okay.
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Sackfield/ Let's say that the Union doesn't agree with how the cards fall during this
reorganization. We would go through the grievance process. Okay, let's say that
five out of the six people didn't, weren't slid into those jobs, and we felt that they
were adequately --
Kubby/ Qualified?
Sackfield/ Qualified to do those jobs. We would go through the grievance process.
Now, the grievance process from step one to arbitration, I've never seen it take
less than six months. So then you're looking at laid-off employees who are in
litigation, or arbitration, when we could have just tried to reach an agreement in
the first place, and gone into it together.
Kubby/ Well, let's give it a couple weeks, or give it a month.
O'Dormell/ I don't see what we gain.
Kubby/ Well, I move that we defer this item until June 16th.
Lehman/ Do we have a second?
Norton/ I'll second that.
Lehman/ Motion and second to defer to June 16th. Any further discussion? All those in
favor, aye- (ayes). All opposed- (nays). Kubby and Norton voting in the
affirmative. The motion is defeated. Is there further discussion?
Thornberry/
Champion/
I move to call the question.
We don't have a vote.
Thornberry/ I can do that.
Lehman/ If you would forget that motion, I would call for a roll call.
Thornberry/ Well, I'll call the question.
O'Donnell/ We have a speaker here.
Dilkes/ Is there a second on the- ?
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Kubby/ No, it's a (can't hear)
Thomberry/ (Can't hear).
Norton/ Then you've got to have a two-thirds vote to get that called.
Lehman/ All right. We have a motion to call the question. Is there a second? Died for
lack of second. Please go ahead.
Annette Martinez/ My name's Annette Martinez, and I'm here on the Housing Authority.
I'm here to tell you that the people, I've been on leased hosuing for over a year.
I'm totally disabled. And the people that are there need to stay there where
they're at, so that they can continue to help the people of Iowa City and wherever
else, you know, they come from. They need to be able to stay at their jobs and not
take their jobs away from them and give them to someone else that's not qualified
for the job. We need Housing Authority, and we need the people that are there to
stay there so that they can continue to work for the people of Iowa City. And I'm
one of those people. Thank you.
Lehman/ Thankyou.
Chjampion/ Do we have a motion on the floor?
Lehman/ Yes, we do have a motion on the floor.
Kubby/ I'm going to be voting no on this, even though I am for increased efficiency in
the office. I think there are some things that can be done, but because once we
vote for this it's out of our hands, I don't feel comfortable doing that. And I think
that a month deferment was not that big a deal for the organization, and would
allow a much more friendly kind of discussion about this amongst the parties.
Because once, because it's out of my hands, or out of the group's hands once we
vote for it, I can't support it at this time.
Norton/ Well, l'm going to vote yes, because I say, I think the staff has heard our
concerns, and the best we can do now is hope that they will implement it with all
due concerns for the people involved.
Lehman/ I concur with you, Dee.
Champion/ I'm sure they will.
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Lehman/ I will vote in the affirmative, as well. And I do think, as a matter of policy, we
have charged these folks with running the department. This is their
recommendation. I'm willing to accept their recommendation. Roll call- (yes;
Kubby -no). Motion carried, Kubby voting no.
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ITEM NO. 15 CONSIDER A RESOLUTION RESCINDING RESOLUTION NO. 98-
162 WHICH AUTHORIZED THE MAYOR TO SIGN AND THE CITY CLERK
TO ATTEST A CONTRACT WITH ROHRBACH, CARLSON P.C. FOR THE
DOCUMENT PHASE OF THE CIVIC CENTER THIRD FLOOR AND POLICE
DEPARTMENT SECOND FLOOR EXPANSION PROJECT.
Lehman/ (Reads agenda item #15) This was a resolution that was passed at the last
Council meeting, and the contractor is wishing not to proceed.
Thornberry/ Move adoption of the resolution.
Lehman/ Moved by Thomberry.
Champion/ Seconded.
Lehman/ Seconded by Champion. Discussion?
Thomberry/ Oh, rescinding the resolution. I'm sorry.
Lehman/ Roll call- (yes). Motion carded.
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ITEM NO. 16 CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO SIGN
AND THE CITY CLERK TO ATTEST A 28E AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE
COUNTIES OF BENTON, CEDAR, IOWA, JOHNSON, JONES, LINN, AND
WASHINGTON, AND THE CITIES OF CEDAR RAPIDS, IOWA CITY, AND
CORALVILLE.
Lehman/ (Reads agenda item #16 and comment). Is there a motion?
Thornberry/ Move adoption.
Lehman/ Moved by Thornberry.
Vanderhoef/ Second.
Lehman/ Seconded by Vanderhoef. Discussion?
Vanderhoef/ I guess I'll just comment. This 28E agreement has been in place for a
number of years, and all this is is making a minor change that Iowa City will be
signing legal documents for their one vote, Coralville will be signing one, and
Johnson County will sign one, and previously, these three votes have all been
assigned to be signed for by the County. And this is agreeable with the JCCOG.
Kubby/ I appreciate you work on this, and the cleanup job on helping the City.
Vanderhoef/ Thank you.
Lehman/ Roll call- (yes). Resolution carries.
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ITEM NO. 18 CITY COUNCIL INFORMATION.
Lehman/ Council time. Dee?
Norton/ A couple of items. One, I just want to comment that the peninsula meetings
starting a week ago Saturday, with an all-day session, or most of the day, with 60
or so people involved, and helping to get our thoughts together about the concept
of the peninsula was, I thought, a really interesting exercise. And then it went on
through the week, and people dropped in, and it culminated in a review Friday
night of where they were. And it was really, I think, an impressive effort. And a
number of people who were involved, not Council members, but other citizens
who were involved, said it was really a tremendous learning experience. And I
think a great product will come out of it in July, is that the next time we see those
folks? But it was very exciting.
Vanderhoef/ Could I add to that?
Norton/ Please.
Vanderhoef/ I understand that a video was taken of that Friday night meeting, and I
wondered when it might be shown. Does anyone know when it will show up on
the Government Channel? I'm looking forward to seeing it. I was unable to
attend that night. I was there the previous Saturday. But, I would hope that that
would --
Lehman/ Well, while you were --
Norton/ And one of the points I want to make about their effort was that, you know, they
come from Florida, for example, but they spent a lot of time trying to understand
Iowa City, specifically, and took a lot of pictures and incorporated a lot of notions
locally. And I thought that was really impressive. They got to know the scene
pretty well.
Kubby/ They measured.
Lehman/ Well, Dee, along the same lines, they not only knew Iowa City, they even
visited the surrounding areas. They made references to the streets in the area,
people who've lived in this community. They were an incredibly (can't hear)
group of folks to work with, and our thanks certainly go to the Parkview Church
for giving us a place to meet.
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Norton/ Yes. And Karin and Bob Micklo in the Planning Department, and Scott, and all
the rest of them.
Lehman/ Well, the Mayor will have a letter thanking those folks.
Norton/ Oh, very nice.
Champion/ Oh good.
Lehman/ We've already arranged for that.
Norton/ The next thing I'd like to ask, and maybe I'm --
Champion/ I've going to comment on something about the same thing, so long as that's
what we're discussing --
Norton/ Do.
Champion/ Is that I want to commend the past Council for hiring those people, because
I'm going to get all the credit for it, and I really appreciate that as a positive note.
And the other thing is is that they're doing the same thing now in Austin, Texas,
but they've vacated their airport. They have this huge hunk of land.
Lehman/ I wish you hadn't said that.
Kubby/ Yeah, I kind of like that.
Champion/ Whoops.
Norton/ We'll have to have them pack.
Champion/ And everybody down there is incredibly enthused about this neighborhood
concept that they're going to develop, too. So it is catching on all over the
country, what we can do different in how we're developing our cities.
Norton/ One other, I wanted to ask, and maybe the Council would help me, I've had a lot
of inquiries about our thinking about the ramp on Iowa Avenue. And a lot of
question raised about it. Many of them refer to the vacancies in the other ramps.
And it seems to me, maybe we need, maybe this is something that we could get,
but I think we need an update on where we stand on the vacancy rate in the other
ramps.
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Atkins/ Vacancies in the other ramps? Sure.
Norton/ And also, what's happening to the permit spaces that we held back?
Lehman/Dee, I think there's one other factor there, that that ramp was really precipitated
by the discussion of Iowa Avenue.
Norton/ Yes.
Lehman/ And the vacancies in the other ramp won't be nearly as significant when Iowa
Avenue's built, if in fact that occurs.
Norton/ True. But I would just like to kind of check up on the ramps, because it's still a
factor. No, I understand it's mainly related to the Iowa Avenue, but that doesn't
seem to be really well understood.
Atkins/ We'll prepare a report for you.
Norton/ In general. I think we're going to need to do a good deal more to make it clear
to people what, why we're proceeding as we are with that. My final comment is, I
read the report from Rob Winstead about the railroad crossings, and it's mildly, or
it's not, it's heavily disappointing, as always, right?
Lehman/ That's surprising.
Norton/ I, you know, we're going down there with a whisk broom or something. We're
not getting the job done. I don't know. I'm going to have to go to the legislature
to figure out how to get crossings repaired. It's just not happening.
Lehman/ Good luck.
Vanderhoef/ What is the cost?
Atkins/ The cost is not --
Vanderhoef/ To mill them.
Atkins/ Outrageous. The cost of repairing a railroad crossing is not outrageous. It just
happens to be their responsibility.
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Norton/ Between the tracks?
Atkins/ Yeah. And--
Norton/ Where the holes are.
Atkins/ And it simply takes forever and day, and of course you can't just go in arbitrarily
and do it because trains come through. If you had a policy and you wanted to step
up to the plate and say we're going to do this and be a lot more aggressive about
it, I don't think for a load of money, you could probably go in and take care of a
whole bunch of them. The railroads would probably hug you.
Kubby/ Can we use road-use tax money for that?
Atkins/ I would think we could, Karen. I would think we could.
Kubby/ We should maybe make a note for our budget discussion that are going to be pre-
budget.
Norton/ Yes.
Kubby/ To add that for the Capital Improvements Plan.
Norton/ I am sick of it.
Kubby/ I mean, it makes me sick to take on the railroad's responsibility.
Champion/ I have a real problem doing that.
Kubby/ But it's a matter of, there's safety issues and convenience issues and car
maintenance issues. But it's something to talk about. I don't know that I would
agree to do it.
Lehman/ Well--
Norton/ Well, we keep beating our gums about it, but we can't seem to get anybody in
there with a hammer or a pickax or whatever's required.
Kubby/Well, get the phone number to the head of the railroad. Maybe we need to step
up that end of it.
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Thornberry/ Let me ask this. Is the railroad property private property? Can we go on
there without permission and fix a railroad crossing?
Atkins/ That was my point, is that if we're going to go on there, I assume we're going to
say let's not have any trains for a few days, people, while we're working on these
things.
Thornberry/ Well, let's talk about it for all summer. Let's not have any trains all summer
long. That'd help.
Atkins/ And I'd have to ask Eleanor. I think there's almost like a whole body of law
with railroad and crossings and --
Dilkes/ Yeah.
Norton/ Let's see what we can find out. Let's get aggressive is what I'm saying.
Lehman/ I think I hear kind of a sentiment to at least find out a rough idea of what it
would cost us if we did it ourselves.
Norton/ And it would shut me up a little bit, too.
Lehman/ Well, I think we all feel the same way, Dee.
Thomberry/ We got the Green Machine. The least we can do is fix it.
Atkins/ You felt the same way to shut him up or to build the railroad.
Lehman/Well, I don't know, the Green Machine didn't work.
Atkins/ Yes, it does.
Norton/ It's working fine.
Lehman/ Dee?
Vanderhoef/ Okay. I had railroad and cost of milling on, so thank you for doing that.
And I had peninsula property on. A couple of things to report, activities this last
week. A week ago, Sunday, I was asked to greet a group of visitors from Osaka,
Japan, who were here specifically to see what facilities and what opportunities
were available to children with disabilities. The Downs Syndrome and other
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disabilities of this type. These people were so impressed with what Iowa City had
in services. They couldn't believe what our Recreation Department provided for
the special populations. They brought a small gift, and it's going to be out in the
case out there. I accepted it for the City.
Champion/ (Can't understand).
Vanderhoef/ Pardon me? Very interestingly, one of the gifts was made by parents of
young children, the toddler group, and they made a paper balloon of very, very
fine paper. It's astounding what they could do. And then there's some nice
notepaper. And little coaster kinds of things. And in return, I gave them, with
Steve's permission, I called the next morning, I felt a little bad I didn't have it
there that night, but I gave them City of Iowa City pins which I understood they
wore proudly all the time they were here. So, be aware that we have a fine
program in services for disabled people in Iowa City. The other opportunity I had
this week is my German exchange student, Christoph Benkert who is here from
the University of Frankfurt, in the MBA program, his parents arrived, and I had an
opportunity to bring him down to meet Steve and some people here in City Hall,
and then tour them around the City, because this gentleman, Knut Enchert, he is
the Mayor ofAlse, a city just outside of Frankfurt. And if he said it once, he must
have said it several times, how clean and how pretty our city is.
Champion/Good thing we cleaned it up.
Kubby/ Puts those complaints into perspective.
Norton/ Thank to the Green Machine.
Vanderhoef/ Well, he saw Mercer Park, he saw City Park. He saw the Airport. He saw
Public Works. He saw City Hall, and all the places sort of in-between, so --
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Vanderhoef/ Someone came and visited us and thought we were pretty snappy. Okay,
that's all I have.
Lehman/ Dean?
Thornberry/ I have nothing.
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Lehman/ Karen?
Kubby/ Yeah, I have some things I forgot to say last night, and some other things. One
is that there's a Teddy Bear Drive going on. I don't know if you've seen barrels
around town, but it's a program to help make a child's life more bearable with the
gift of a teddy bear. They're requesting that new bears be given in the barrels that
are located in various places which I'll outline very quickly. And these bears will
go to children who are receiving services through the Domestic Violence
Intervention Program. And you can drop bears off at the Old Capitol Mall, the
Upper and Lower level, downtown banks, at First National and Hills and Iowa
State Bank, at the Iowa City Public Library, and at the University of Iowa
Hospitals and Clinics at the Pastoral Services office. So, donate a bear. A couple
other things. We have this new thing called, it's actually not new, but we have
another one, a speed monitoring trailer. And it's been up on Muscatine this last
week, and it is really effective.
Norton/ It's wonderful.
Kubby/ I mean, especially because we design our arterial streets so that you feel safe
going higher than the speed limit, it really is a check on how you're driving. And
people who are interested in this can actually get the City to put it in your
neighborhood. And we have one that Neighborhood Associations can borrow.
They can get trained on how to set it up. I think it's two little suitcases that aren't
too heavy.
Atkins/Right.
Kubby/ Or you can set it up so that as people drive by, it has this huge digital screen that
says how fast you're going. And it really has lasting effects. I mean when I saw
it, and you could tell everybody was trying to get it to say 25, so that you were at
the speed limit, but days later, you're still remembering that that was there, and it
checks your speed even in its absence for a little while. So, if people are
interested in that, they can call Doug Ripley, Traffic Planner, at 356-5254 if you
want to borrow that for your neighborhood. Coming up in June, we have a paint
and household battery collection day on Saturday, June 6th. It's going to be at the
Iowa City Transit Facility, at 1200 South Riverside Drive. We're going to take
appointments, so you need to call and at this, it's not a generalized household
hazardous waste day. It's focused only on oil- and latex-based paints, and dry-
cell batteries, so car batteries aren't allowed, just household batteries. So if you're
interested in that, be looking for the phone number. We don't have it yet. I
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noticed tonight as I was coming into the Civic Center for the meeting that some of
the skateboard ramps are back in the back of the Civic Center parking lot. And
I'm really happy to see them, so this is kind of a welcome to the skaters back in
the Civic Center parking lot, and a reminder to those of us who drive that after
5:00 p.m. is it?
Atkins/ 6:00.
Norton/ 6:00.
Kubby/ To not park in the easterly-most section of the Civic Center lot. There are signs
up there, but we've gotten lazy and we'll have to remind folks. But we welcome
the skaters back. It's an exciting sport to watch grow and change and watch
people learning it out there. I have just a couple more things. One of them is that
when we were talking about, what was it, last week, about the cemetery
expansion? One of the things that we had toyed with in previous discussion was,
if we're going to take eleven acres out of usable parkland, are we interested in
seeing if there are ten acres to replace that with. And we never got back to that
discussion when we talked about the cemetery.
Thomberry/ Karen, I think that was parkland.
Norton/ On the eastern side.
Kubby/ No, I said used as parkland, not that it, that it was cemetery land, but it was
functioning as parkland, and do we want to replace those acres so that when that
loss --
Norton/ Well, let's take it to Park and Rec, the Park and Rec Commission ought to, and
part of that Northside Development planning, wouldn't they think about that as --
Kubby/ Maybe we could just say, will you think about this, and if you want to give us a
recommendation, we'd be happy to hear it. Is that okay with people?
Champion/ I'm kind of concerned with the lack of park space on the west side.
Kubby/ Yes. And we are going to follow up with that.
Vanderhoef/ The committee, I understand the Parks and Recreation Commission is
looking towards being a little more proactive in identifying land in areas that are
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deficient. And that would probably drop Hickory Hill on a lower priority.
However, as land develops out there, why there may be opportunities.
Kubby/ Right. Because when we do the, when we implement the open space ordinances
in areas adjacent to Hickory Hill, maybe the open space could be right next to it
so that it has the feel of continuous parkland.
Norton/ We've talked with Karin in the planning out there about some kind of buffering
of that edge of the park. And that may mean some additional space, or at least
room for a row of trees or something so that that park is buffered properly from
whatever may happen beyond it.
Kubby/ I remember us talking about this. I knew that we hadn't made any decision, but
didn't want to just let it go. I have another Parks and Rec issue. Someone came
to my office hours last Thursday, and I thought we would receive a letter in our
packet. She said that she had sent it in, but maybe the timing just wasn't right.
Where the swim club usually uses the pool three days a week, but they're using it
five days a week and there are, I mean, it's good for the swim club, but there are
some effects on swimmers at Mercer in terms of, you know, there are fewer lanes
for the public, lanes are shorter in the shallow end, they're longer, they have to do
a longer route, and some of the elderly folks, or folks who don't want to swim the
full length because they're used to all year, they're kind of in shape to do the short
lane --
Atkins/ Karen, that letter came in late, and we're preparing a response. So you should be
getting that shortly.
Kubby/ Okay. One last thing. I wanted to acknowledge and thank Dee Vanderhoef
because I know that you really struggled with the issue about the definition of
"family", and I just wanted to say I appreciate the energy that you put into that
struggle in your own mind. So thank you.
Vanderhoef/ You're welcome.
Lehman/ Connie?
Champion/ I'm done.
O'Donnell/ Nothing.
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Lehman/ One quick thing. I had an opportunity to have lunch with the seniors a week
ago, I think it was last, a week ago yesterday. And I think most of us are going to
have that opportunity.
Atkins/ I said, you fit right in.
Lehman/ I fit right in. They're a great, and I believe we're going to be asked
individually to have lunch with them.
Champion/ Oh great.
Lehman/ Periodically, if they ask you, go, it's a great time. They're wonderful folks, and
they're really interested in what's going on in the City.
Champion/ And they're our age.
Lehman/ They are. They're a great bunch of folks. And I would certainly encourage you
to go. Steve?
Atkins/ Not a thing tonight, sir.
Lehman/ Eleanor?
Dilkes/ Nothing.
Norton/ I should say, I did go to that CVB thing today at West High. There were only
five of us there, a couple of business people and three people from the CVB and
myself. And the mechanics of the network were not always smooth. But after
they got some glitches cleared up, it went pretty well. And we did see some of the
ads that are being presented to other states about Iowa. And discussed some of
the issues about what the Convention and Visitors Bureau might be doing. And it
was quite interesting. And I think at some point, when they may want to ask
people, the Council as a whole, or more representatives of the Council to come
and see and consider what we might need to do to make our pitch for this area,
and Iowa as a whole, better. But it was very interesting.
Vanderhoef/ Has the rest of the Council ever received the new CVB book?
Norton/ I think I did.
Vanderhoef/ Promotion book?
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Champion/ I can't remember.
Vanderhoef/ I got one because I was out there. And I imagine Connie maybe had
already gotten one. But it has just gotten out, so.
Champion/ I still have your book, so I'll get that back to you soon.
Vanderhoef/ That's okay. I think it would behoove us to give Wendy a call and have her
send some up for Council. It's really quite nice, and it's quite different than the
old one in that it has, all right, shush, Dee.
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