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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1996-10-07 TranscriptionOctober 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 1 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session 7:10 PM Council: Nov, Baker, Kubby, Lehman, Norton, Thornberry, Venderbeef. Staff: Atkins, Helling, Woito, Kerr, Franklin, Davidson, Schmadeke. Tapes: 96-119, Side 2; 96-120, all; 96-1 21, all. Review Zoninq Matters 96-119 S2 a, Franklin/First four items are setting p.h.s for October 22. The first is to amend the Subdivision regulations to be consistent with the Fringe Area Agreement ..... Franklin/The next three have to do with the Telecommunications Act of 1996. The first one being we cannot regulate one meter dishes. Now we have to allow them in the front yard. The second is allowing communication towers in the P zone. The third is definitions consistent with the Telecommunications Act. I will get into the details of those on the 21st. With the first one in terms of residential area. When I look at the comment and the language of the ordinance, they are slightly different where it is allowable to have towers in e residential area ...... Franklin/The first one... b. That is not for towers. That is for satellite receiving devices that are less than one meter. Now we control all satellite receiving devices of any size. The new act says that we cannot control one meter dishes, so we have to allow them anywhere. Kubby/ Franklin/I think the BTC has started to act on that to contact the FTC. That some effort is being made ..... BTC... has started that process or requesting a waiver. Kubby/ .....interesting in looking at it in historic areas. Franklin/I am not aware of that. Kubby/That was in the minutes. Norton/We are just setting the hearing now .... towers are likely to sprout all over. We have to look at this very carefully. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October ?, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 2 Kubb¥/Johnson County Board of Adjustment.,. stringent conditions .... they have to share a tower with at least two other companies ..... This was a 5-0 vote,,. Materials have to be invisible... setback .... Franklin/The law says you cannot directly or indirectly prohibit provision of wireless communication. Kubb¥/Can you do something that allows an easier process of approval if they are sharing towers .... different degree of scrutiny...? Nov/... denser construction,.. more interference.,. much taller tower .... Norton/Has the P/Z met with BTC? Franklin/No. Norton/Why wouldn't they get together and hammer on this. Drew was at the meeting in Cedar Rapids .... very desirable to get that looked at real hard. Helling/That is essentially what we want to do ..... We are going to move ahead with a comprehen_~ive telecommunication ordinance ..... get our Zoning Ordinance in compliance with the 1996 Telecommunications Act ..... Norton/As long as those two commissions are hammering on it together ..... Franklin/At this point they are not hammering on it together .... this is zoning changes to come into compliance with the federal law. Karen... Dee... then going beyond that to look at ways to work with but around this federal law .... Norton/ Kubby/The advantage to the residential section ..... facilitate competition ...... ~:. (See item b.) d. (See item b.) e. Franklin/P.h. on a resolution approving the voluntary annexation of 7.21 acres... I have got overheads for all the P/Z stuff if any of you have questions. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 3 Nov/We were talking originally about five acres and now we have come to seven. Is that accurate? Franklin/Yes, it includes the Iowa River as well as the property .... the corporate boundary around the peninsula and the water plant goes to the middle of the Iowa River ..... f. Franklin/To rezone this property from County RS to P .... g. Franklin/Second consideration on vacation of the alleys, St. Johns and St. Matthias ..... h. Franklin/Pass and adopt on vacation of a portion of Lee Street. Norton/On g., is there anything still to be resolved there? .... Franklin/Yes... After this consideration tomorrow night we will just hold it until we get that settled. Nov/What about Lee Street? Is that ready for purchase? Franklin/That is getting there. We are still having discussion with Mr. Barkan about the acquisition of it. Nov/ Franklin/We are talking about a r.o.w. that will be used... driveway easement... and yard space .... Norton/ Thornberry/Once this is conveyed to them, will that increase the amount of property for tax purposes? Franklin/Yes, minimally. We are encouraging the acquisition of it. It is covered with easements and that is what we are discussing. Norton/Do we have a rational basis for deciding what the charge is for such properties? This represents only a reasonably accraate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session p~e4 Franklin/No, we only use an irrational basis .... We extrapolate from the assessed value of the property or we do an appraisal. Franklin/Pass and adopt on allowing limited retail sales in industrial zones. Franklin/...final plat of Galway Hills. We have this one sticky little item and I think Chuck Mullen would like to address the council. Chuck Mullen/I am here as counsel to Dav-Ed Limited, the owner of the proposed Galway Hills Subdivision, You have a memo in your packet from Chuck Schmadeke... framed the issue... Chuck and I and Linda Woito ..... we agreed to disagree ..... One thing that Chuck's memo... political climate... council decidedly anti growth in west side of Iowa City... sewer... undersized ..... Majority of council at that time really didn't favor encouraging growth in that sector of Iowa City ..... 14-15 years people have been allowed to connect to that sewer and haven't been charged a tap in fee ..... They may have been charged a connecting fee... With the advent of the ..... upgrade of the ten inch line, Chuck now wants to charge all those people who have yet to connect to this line a tap in fee to cover the cost of the upgrade. We think that violates the terms in essence we believe to be a contract with the city. Plus we don't think it puts us on a level playing field with the other people out there ...... Now we are faced with a situation .... We would like to get on with this particular subdivision but we don't feel it is appropriate .... fair... legal for you to impose the tap in fee on this particular subdivision by virtue of the language in the easement. Baker/What is the actual cost...? Mullen/For this particular phase of the development I think it is about -~ 15,000. But it impacts on the remainder of our property as well. t~60,000 give or take .... Baker/... Is there any other clarifying language that you can point to? Mullertl No. Kubby/Similar circumstances .... at time that land is being developed. Mullen/ Norton/What if they left a ten inch line, where would you be? Mullen/We would both be in trouble. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 5 Norton/You would have had no development. Mullertl If you were charging everybody else, I could agree, but you haven't been. The capacity has essentially been used up by people ..... line comes through us ..... If I don't get some relief from you folks, I have to go back to my clients and advise them whether or not they should just postpone this development and bring suit against the city for refusing to approve it .... I have submitted legal documents without this tap in fee agreement in it. I understand your ordinance isn't even in place yet. Is that correct? Woito/Correct. Mullertl Staff has suggested, by agreement, before the ordinance is even in place, agree that we will pay this fee as a condition to your approving this plat. Nov/ Mullen/... flow is different direction on this property ...... Baker/ Mullertl ... We are not agreeing to it in advance is what it amounts to as far as I am concerned, Kubby .. react to the fact that we don't have our site specific ordinance in place .... Schmadeke/The work is complete and we feel if they are using the facility. It is just a matter of us getting all the documents together that is required to enact the ordinance. So between the time that the construction is complete and we enact the ordinance, we have to put together all the documents, costs and area involved... In that interim we would like to be able to collect from those parties that use the new facilities. Thornberry/What is the length of time are we talking? Schmadeke/A year. Nov/ Schmadeke/We cannot adopt the ordinance until we have all the costs incurred. Lehman/The owner of the property gave us an easement to run our sewer line through their property in turn for being able to hook up to it. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 6 Mullen/Back in the '80s. Schmadeke/Yes, according to that paragraph with the understanding... aware of the fact the city.. may impose a tap fee because it is mentioned in the agreement. Lehman/ $chmadeke/ Norton/Chuck, how do you react to the argument... Hunter's Run used some of this ten inch capacity ..... Schmadeke/At the time they were hooking into this system we discussed a possibility of initiating a tap fee for them to hook into the ten in anticipation of enlarging that sewer at some future date and that they should maybe share in that cost but legally we cannot do that. We cannot institute a tap fee until the work is complete and we have the actual cost of that project and why put in a new sewer before it is needed .....Why do that when there is still capacity available in the ten inch? Kubby/Some of it is timing is everything on development. The sewer is in, we do the site specific ordinance ..... Can people tap into it in-between when the sewer is completed and that period of time it takes to establish that site specific ordinance? Schmadeke/We have required an agreement where they agree to pay that tap fee once the cost is determined. Kubby/Would it be any different in your eyes to approve the resolution and let the development go forward, but once the specific ordinance is in place... that we then ask for the tap on fee at that time? Schmadeke/The property will probably change hands in the meantime and then who do we go back on to get the money from? Kubby/ Nov/You could have a lien on each of the lots as they are sold and that lien would still be there even if the property changes hands .... Kubby/ Vanderhoef/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session p~e7 Thornberry/People who are now on the ten inch line .... are they now tapped on to the 27 inch? $chmadeke/Their flows go through the 27 inch. Thornberry/What happened to the ten by the way? Schmadeke/Most of it we took out when we put the new line in. Thornberry/They did not have to pay anything to go from a ten inch to a 27 inch? Schmadeke/No. Baker/ Nov/It has been in place for other sites. Woito/We have done Wild Prairie. Norton/ Nov/...possible that some other property owner had a similar agreement in 1981 and will expect similar treatment ..... I think we ought to look it up before we actually vote on this. Woito/I can tell you that tomorrow. Baker/ Kubby/Important thing .... different people are interpreting... opposite directions .... Nov/ Kubby/If we want the tap on fee to be paid, we vote no on Galway Hills. Nov/Or we defer. Kubby/...and get more information ...... Baker/There are three options, yes, no, defer .... Lehman/If the property owner agreed back in the '80s to allow the city to have an easement... with the understanding that they could tap to that sewer and we in This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WSI00796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 8 fact did put the sewer in.. used up the capacity...What is the property owner getting today for giving up that easement? Kubby/The ability to develop. Woito/Zero. Lehman/There was value to the easement... Now there is no value to hooking up to the sewer when you have to pay for it. Schmadeke/He is getting the right to tap into this sewer at the same cost as anybody else is paying. Thornberry/ Schmadeke/The conditions aren't the same as they were widen the ten inch was there. Lehman/ Kubby/... we needed a bigger sewer to let the other people develop ..... that is the value they are getting is they are getting the per acre cost ..... Nov/I have a question about standard procedure. If we are dealing with a brand new development and we asking for r.o.w. for a street and a sawer line and a water line running through this property. Do we pay for it? Schmadeke/No, not in a new development. Nov/ Schmadeke/Today a subdivider would be building that sewer for their own benefit ...... Nov/ Schmadeke/The benefit was not immediate. Nov/So they are receiving a sewer line through their property without having the cost of constructing it. Someone constructed it for them. Norton/We have a recommendation from the staff to approve this, right?... The staff recommends approval. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 9 Franklin/That staff recommendation is based on the design of the plat and was not- all of these issues regarding the tap on fee came up later .... have to do with the design of the plat. This whole tap on fee thing came up at some point later on in the project. Kubby/ Norton/Are we in a position to deny this resolution as it stands? ..... Woito/I don't think so but you could defer it. Norton/ Nov/We have deferred it a couple of times. Kubby/ Woito/ Nov/I would like to explore if we had had any other circumstances where a developer had a sewer line in there that they did not have to pay to install and what did we do with it at that point. How many other instances are truly similar to this? Woito/This is the first time we have ever retrofitted new site specific sanitary sewer tap on fee into an existing neighborhood and this is the only instance .... where we have a property owner who has a preexisting covenant running with the land, namely an easement. Kubby/Is it possible to vote for the resolution... that we direct staff to charge the tap on fee and that it can't be hooked up until a fee is paid? Woito/You can bifurcate them. Nortotal I would like to know if we can approve the resolution and still deal with this other matter separately? Thornberry/I hate to go back on an agreement.., when they originally put in the sewer. Kubb¥/There is a disagreement about what the agreement is that was made. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 10 Lehman/I think it would be wise to go ahead and approve this, reserving our right to go back after further investigation and assess or not assess the tap on fee. I don't think we know enough right now .... Baker/Make very clear that we have that in writing to seek that interpretation. Thornberry/ Kubby/ Norton/I would like to divide the issues .... Pass this resolution with a contingent conditioned that we are looking at this fee issue. Will that let progress proceed? Mullen/ Nov/How much construction .... can happen before you hook up to a sewer line? ..... Mullen/This is an area assessment as I understand it. I guess you could divide it among the various lots .... Lehman/ Mullertl We have been put off long enough so we are in the next year already. Lehman/...reserve the option of looking at a tap on fee. Nov/He is not going to be able to do anything until next year. Lehman/ Baker/So what is the process for us to impose the tap on fee if it is not in this resolution? Woito/You do it in the ordinance. Kubby/Include those properties in the ordinance. Mullertl You have the option to include the whole water shed, everybody that is benefited by this. Woito/That would be my preference. Thornberry/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 11 ko Franklin/... final plat of Hunters Run, part 8. This is a 7.5 acre, 17 lot subdivision .... Nov/In the comment here it says "council consideration of the packet." I think it should be the "plat". .... Franklin/Yes, it should be plat. You can read it as plat tomorrow night. Nov/ Norton/Have fees for the sidewalk been paid or have we assurance they will be? ..... Woito/There is an agreement that will be included...subdivision papers. Nov/ Norton/ Franklin/It will be in the subdivision papers. Woito/We arrived at a settlement negotiation on that. Vanderhoef/This is for the trail part of the sidewalk? The 8 foot sidewalk? Woito/Yes. Vanderhoef/ Woito/They are going to pay their share of it as well as the share of the water main. Franklin/The issue was the sidewalk along Rohret Road which was installed with the reconstruction of Rohret Road and yes, some of them do because they will have the internal sidewalk on Quail Valley Court. Nov/Could we put that on the overhead? Franklin/Certainly. Vanderhoef/I have a question about that double frontage .... landscaping along Rohret Road... implying...other lots that had fences. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of tile Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October ?, 1996 Council Work Session page 12 Franklin/(Presents plat). Vanderhoef/ .... landscaping... instead of fences .... Are you saying that they can't put a fence in? Franklin/No that is not a requirement that we can require in the subdivision regulations. It is a suggestion. Vanderhoef/ Franklin/The idea is to try to, at the platting stage, advise people and the developers on ways to look at developing their property. Along arterial streets when you have double frontage lots, as on First Avenue, people can legally put up a fence along that whole way and the suggestion is that it either be softened with vegetation of vegetation be used instead of a fence ..... Norton/This is the case where it is the rear of the houses are to the arterial ..... Is there anything we could do to make sure that kind of screening does happen? Franklin/We can make that a provision of the subdivision regulations. Norton/...we got several places where we have a lovely arterial and then you got all these kind of walls. Lehman/ Norton/The fence could be covered with some kind of planting. Lehman/ Norton/ Vanderhoef/I really appreciate not having driveways that are going out onto the arterial ..... achieve an attractive look. Franklin/ am making a note of that ..... Norton/ ..... concerned ..... that we weren't quite sure whether water service fees have been paid earlier. Woito/That is part of the agreement. Franklin/The water tap on fee is something that was adopted after the Hunters Run... this is the very last piece of this entire development .... It started back in This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 13 the late '70s .... When it was first instituted ..... weren't any water tap on fees ..... which is a given now when a plat is approved. Franklin/A resolution rescinding a preliminary plat of Saddlebrook Addition. Franklin/Approving the new plat. Kubby/Do you know what the time frame is for the sewer going though, the lower stormwater management basin? Franklin/That is in the CIP for FY97, this year. We are to start construction next spring and summer and that is the line that would be coming from the Southeast Interceptor ..... (refers to map). It is the one that serves Village Green and the Hines Lift Station. So we can get rid of those two lift stations. Kubby/The current plan... the lower basin would be constructed after the sewer line is in or that it is to be constructed upon development- Franklin/After the sewer line is put in... issue... mitigation in the southerly area... alignment of the east West Parkway (refers to map) .... As part of the subdividers agreement, there is language .... that would defer the obligation on this mitigation until after that sewer line is installed. The stormwater detention in the northerly part would be put in with the development. Kubby/Does that agreement have a time frame? ..... Franklin/... should be a time frame in that language. Norton/I assume the various deficiencies have been cleared up then? .... Franklin/Yes. The deficiency listing the placement of the sanitary sewer easement on the plat has been met and the subdividers agreement will take care of the timing in terms of the mitigation ...... Norton/ Franklin/That is all taken care of .... Franklin/The main issue with this action that you are taking has to do with the blvd. at the north part ..... (refers to map) ..... The only other change that I am aware of that was requested was a zoning change ..... (refers to map) ..... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October' 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 14 Vanderhoef/What is the r.o.w. that is going to come down then without the blvd.? Franklin/It is probably a collector, so that would be 66 feet r.o.w. CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 96-120 SIDE 1 Franklin/Just don't have the median in it. Vanderhoef/This really is a gateway into that whole south section ..... I really liked that blvd. Norton/We don't have any leverage. Kubby/It was on the preliminary plat .... Franklin/If you deny the recession of the preliminary plat, they don't have to flow through on a preliminary plat .... they will resubmit and there is no requirement that a blvd. has to be provided ..... Kubby/There is another part of a bird. being added ..... Franklin/That is the internal street .... Lot 4... Paddick is the street that comes in an deserves this area. Kubb¥/ Ralph Stouffer/With Landmark. The only change between the two preliminary plats is the blvd. of Heinz Road. Kubby/ Stouffer/There is and there has been. Kubby/Would you talk about the possibility .... having short blvd. so that you still have that feel .... Stouffer/We looked at it. It is a construction nightmare ...... Walden Road... regretted designing that for years. It is a maintenance headache. Nobody maintains it. It is overgrown... weeds ..... It is a safety hazard. Nov/So the main problem is not the construction but the caretaking. Franklin/A cost factor that is involved here, too. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of tile Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 15 Norton/ Fl. Franklin/We are recommending that you forward a letter to the Board of Supervisors recommending approval of the proposed rezoning. This is finally consistent with the Fringe Area Agreement. Kubby/We had a letter for the mayor to sign and I would like to take out the words "to the extent possible." So when we ask them to follow the policies of the North Corridor Development Plan, we don't add that little out ..... Nov/Except that the recommendation from P/Z said to the extent possible. We can take it out at the end .... I will be happy to do that. Thornberry/To the extent possible if appropriate when there is a need. Franklin/There was some discussion about that ..... What is up on the screen is the.. concept plan for the development they would like to pursue. The lots are large.. significant unbuildable... areas .... open space will be preserved... in individual lots ...... Kubby/ ... I want our message to be that we would love them to do that ..... Norton/Those cul de sacs are going to work7 Franklin/Yes. Nov/Back track for just a minute.. Hunter's Run.. cul de sac .... landscaping in the center. Who takes care of those kinds of things7 ..... Franklin/I want to say that it is going to be a homeowners association but I don't know if there is ...... I will have to check on that ...... Nov/If we are going to allow landscape in cul de sac... fire truck? .... Franklin/They can .... Nov/So, can we ask the question about the landscaping area. Who is going to maintain it? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session p~e16 Prospect Hill Discussion 96-120 Sl Nov/ Kubby/...an additional zoning... Prospect Hill, a Bruce Glasgow development, a very narrow street. I am really concerned about that. When will that be coming forward to us? Franklin/Probably your next meeting ..... Kubby/I feel like I need more information. Franklin/About the street? Kubby/ .... I am concerned about it ..... Norton/That will be in our packet next time? Franklin/I believe so, Dee ..... Norton/We certainly need some good pictures for that .... Kubby/Think of information we need ....... It is really a concern to me ..... Franklin/It is a difficult one because this is off site improvements that we are talking about here and it is always an issue when you have got a subdivision that is on a public street and that public street is not up to standards and the rights that go with the zoning and the ability to subdivide and then ...... who should improve those off site ..... Vanderhoef/And my understanding is that you are taking five feet on one side of that street and 10 feet on the other? Franklin/5 feet on the south and 5 feet on the north when the north develops. But the north is not developing at this point ..... One of the problems here is there exists housing on the north side of the street within the space that would be r,o,w ..... There is an impediment there to doing an improvement in the short run. We just don't have a full r.o.w. at this time. Nov/And we wouldn't have that until that house were taken away? Franklin/Yes... that house has just been purchased by the property owner to the east who owns the commercial property on Dodge Street .... who knows. We will have lots of info on that. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October ?, 1996. WS100796 October ?, 1996 Council Work Session Nov/It will become more clear when I see the plans. page 17 This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WSI00796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 18 Parkine Impact Fees 96-120 S1 Nov/Parking Impact Fees ..... Franklin/We sent you two items... a sheet on the redevelopment strategies for the Near South Side and included information about Parking Facility Impact Fee. That is what is in place now. A suggestion has been made to repeal the commercial parking impact fee? Baker/ ..... can we separate... commercial businesses versus commercial residents? Franklin/We have already in the parking facility impact fee made a distinction between multi-family residential and commercial. We make that distinction in the Zoning Ordinance. Norton/Multi-family is commercial then? Franklin/It is commercial assessed. It is not commercial for our purposes, Baker/ ..... ought to consider since we are getting more residential development in the central business district .... perhaps the parking impact fee is more appropriate just on the residential versus business development ...... Council/(All talking). Baker/My suggestion is to base it on per bedroom charge ..... Nov/This is the way we have done it. It says the spaces required are determined by the number of bedrooms. However we still have parking requirements for other commercial development. Baker/... the fee itself. Franklin/ .... extrapolate to the fee because the fee is based on the number of spaces required which are based on the number of bedrooms. Council (All talking). Norton/What is the number required as related to bedrooms? Franklin/It is three for 4 & 5- I don't have it memorized. Baker/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 19 Franklin/Do you want to change the parking requirement per bedroom? What are you after here? Baker/... other problem... expansion of residential in the d.t. driving development versus commercial development driving development and if residential- I am talking about CB. Franklin/CB-10 is d.t. CB-5 is right across the street on Burlington. Baker/In both of those zones there ought to be (can't hear). Franklin/CB-10 there is no parking required for any use or hotels. The obligation there is for the public to provide the parking and that contains parking within centralized facilities .... allows for full development of the d.t. You can only have parking on site by special exception ..... In CB-5 ....says there is an obligation to provide parking on site for residential .... for commercial and you meet that obligation by parking on site as well as paying a parking impact fee. So it is a distinction in policy in those two different areas. Nov/ .... commercial .... Franklin/They can buy out of their obligation 100%. Only the residential has to provide 50% on site ..... Baker/Make the two zones consistent ...... public parking impact fee ..... Nov/They still have the option... underground parking ..... Kubby/Currently they have to pay 75% .... can put up to 50% of it on site. Nov/I am trying to say they should have some options. Kubby/ Norton/They can provide 50% of the required spaces and they cannot avoid a fee for up to 50% of them- Franklin/75%. Kubby/Just focusing on commercial ..... commercial currently pays $2,000 per space; residential $4,000 .... Franklin/Are you trying to address a parking problem or a development issue? If you are trying to address a development issue, that is the type of development that This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 20 is occurring, the mechanism that you have for that is zoning. If you do not want residential, then you zone it out. Kubby/ Baker/But part of your zoning regulation is how you restrict or promote the development. Franklin/No, it depends how how strongly you feel about it .... When you require parking, you also affect the use because you may preclude a use by requiring too much parking... or by not allow parking. Nov/So far, you are allowed to have an apartment building... commercial space .... If we really don't want any residential apartments ....in CB-5, we should just say no, Kubby/Go somewhere in between ..... Norton/Trying to get more commercial .... Baker/ .... When you are really stuffing them in there, you are creating a different kind of parking problem. Lehman/Larry, you are getting at more the size of the units then the use ..... Iowa City is 150 years .... we have had apartments above commercial d.t. for over 150 years. Obviously it is a good use .... what we did two years ago is we prohibited anybody from having residential on the top three stories if they wanted tax abatement ......We eliminated anybody from doing anything in the CB-5 zone. Norton/Of the commercial sort .... Kubby/We just had a huge building built ..... Lehman/Now we are complaining because the parking requirements aren't right for it. Baker/Parking requirements are not right. Lehman/ Norton/We are getting mixed up. Our first concern is the nature of development we would like to see .... do we want to see more commercial than we are now getting down there on the south side? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WSi00796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 21 Baker/If you can get 1-2 stories of commercial, that is a reasonable expectation ..... tax abatement .... go down to two .... and not charge an impact fee on the commercial parking requirement ..... Franklin/Right now you require one space for 1200 square feet. Baker/ Lehman/Are there four people who are interested in removing the impact fee? Norton/I certainly want to consider it. Baker/ Lehman/This is part of a larger picture. Baker/I want us to look at a change in our policy on residential construction in both zones as far as impact fee. Norton/Isn't P/Z already... looking at 4-5 bedroom thing? ..... Franklin/They are, it is not the number of bedrooms per unit strictly speaking. The direction from the council was to look at the development of multi-family on the edges of neighborhoods whore it was a higher density development next to established residential areas. There was concern about design and there was concern about density. Lehman/Didn't we also tell the d.t. committee.., to look at this? Baker/ Franklin/The committee will be looking at the broad issue of is it appropriate to have residential development in d.t. or not. Norton/ Franklin/The d.t. I would not say the committee is not going to look at anything south of Burlington Street .... there is discussion of Near South Side, too. The two are intertwined ..... folks on the committee are going to be talking about ideas. Baker/... the council didn't have the same concerns about residential development d.t. that P/Z did. I thought that is what I heard ..... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of tile Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 22 Franklin/I don't think anybody has said get rid of residential in the d.t. Baker/ Franklin/... leads to the magnitude. Vanderhoef/Which leads to the parking issues that can be a problem. Norton/I would like to see a coherent proposal for modifying this... CB-5 .... Nov/I don't know about that. The proposal we have for Hieronymous property is three levels of commercial ..... Franklin/ Thornberry/I have got a question on parking impact fees .... Franklin/... there is an interest then in changing the commercial impact fee, correct? And the commercial impact fee is in the Near South Side. You are saying no, Karen, but others are saying yes. Okay. Baker/ Franklin/...64-1A... you determine exactly what is going to be built on there. Baker/ Kubby/Do people really want to look at changing impact fees or changing the zoning requirements or both? Thornberry/I think it kind of has to go together, doesn't it? Kubby/ .... if you really want more commercial activity, then you need to do it in zoning .... Franklin/I don't think getting rid of the commercial impact fee is going to make one wit of difference in the development projects that are driven by the residential. Kubby/... better to change the zoning .... Commercial areas create a need for parking and.. our vision for that south of Burlington area is a dense pedestrian oriented thing .... Baker/That is why I want to increase the fee on residential development, This represeats only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 23 Kubby/I think you should have them on both. Thornberry/ Nov/I still think we need to allow some flexibility ..... This business of requiring 75% no matter how much parking you put on site never did make any sense. Norton/Heavy duty. Kubby/It means we can have some expectation about the kind of money that we might have on the front end of needing to plan for another parking facility ..... tradeoff was money was coming in ..... they have that flexibility. Vanderhoef/Certain times.. on commercial end of it.. pay 75% required spaces... A lot of commercial things that absolutely will not fly if they do not have at least 50-60% of their spaces there and to double pay for that. To put 50 and 50 makes more sense than 50-75. Kubby/We are trying to facilitate more of the land being used for economic activity and community activity versus to park big hunks of metal ..... Since they are paying for it anyway, they would choose to have less parking on site ..... Vanderhoef/There will be a whole lot of businesses that will choose not to come to the area if they cannot park on site .... Nov/ .... put the parking underground... We can require parking under the building. Kubby/Those are zoning issues. Franklin/There are consequences... when you require it to go underground ..... on cost... also design ..... Norton/Do you have some suggestions about how you could increase the commercial? Franklin/The things that I have identified that are concerns for you .... increasing the opportunities and encouragement of commercial development; parking; revenue for parking facilities and then the density of residential development. Baker/And the residential impact fee. Franklin/Yes. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 24 Thornberry/ Baker/CB-5 and CB-10. Thornberry/It is going to get to a point where these apartment are going to get so expensive that either they won't build them.. not going to be rented .... Franklin/ Nov/We are getting five... bedrooms... Franklin/I would maintain that is not a consequence of the parking impact fees. The parking impact fees are cheap compared to what you would have to pay if you were to build that space ..... The down fall is when there isn't parking available in public facilities which gets us to our next issue which is a new parking facility south of Burlington Street and where you want it to be. We will cogitate on these goals that I think that you have ..... and come up with some suggestions that address both the d,t, and the Near South Side, Vanderhoef/ .... While you are doing all of this.., I would like you to look at parking facility that is in the CB-1 0 some place on the north side, Nov/It might not be CB-10 .... Franklin/Then it is P.. University .... then it is RO and CB-2. Nov/Without confining it to the CEI-1 0 I think it is worth looking at, Franklin/Okay. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 25 Near Southside Parkinq Facility Location 96-120 Sl Franklin/Okay, the location of the facility on the Near South Side. Davidson/Revisit the thinking that has gone into where we are right now .... Staff committee is working on a response back to St. Pat's. Still in the middle of negotiations .... The site of the former St. Pat's School (refers to map) is the one we are focusing our efforts on. The other three locations that you see there are ones that part of our Near South Side planning we have considered .... Phase II of the Hieronymous Property ..... (refers to map)... parking lot next to the phone company building ..... Federal lot .....The reason that we have focused our efforts on that location is summarized in the memo .... We do feel like... parking impact fees that we have collected so far...This is a fairly good location to serve the people who have paid into that fund so far ..... financing mechanisms... fairly good location .... We see this as a location... expand the city's ability to sell parking permits d.t ..... Waiting list of approximately 200 people that would like to buy permits that are not able to ..... We feel like this is an area where we can take some of the existing permits... relocate them down to this area ..... IN short term use that for the financing of this system ..... down the road as more development activity occurs in Near South Side... we see this location as being Phase II ..... (refers to map) ..... The property owner of this structure... not part of ..... what she envisions for this site ..... Talking about a substantially higher amount of money for this site than for this site .... Kubby/ Davidson/ ...... (refers to map). That kind of provides the rationale of why we are pursuing this site... being advantageous to those other three sites ..... multi-use nature that we do have planned ..... Baker/Jeff .... disadvantages to the corner lot on Clinton? Davidson/(Refers to map). I think the two things... that we have existing parking structure here ..... idea down here... have fairly high density, high intensity kind of development ..... need for the public to provide structured parking ..... Franklin/It also is a smaller site .... and the topography does not lend itself as well to a multi-level construction ..... Baker/How does that translate into cost? .... Franklin / It means it is going to cost more .... Davidson/... it does increase the cost. For building parking structures, a hill site works better. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 26 Norton/Anything east of St. Pat's? .... Davidson/(Refers to mop). Thornberry/Pursuit of county court house parking lot above that has been pursued? Davidson/We don't feel of what the county has got here would enable us to build a structure ..... Kubby/ Thornberry/ Davidson/... We feel like in the immediate term... there is a great deal of distance sensitivity to parking .... Kubby/People d.t ...... fighting tooth and nail about a half a block ..... I don't want to become land of 10,000 parking ramps .... Davidson/When we put together the Near South Side Plan ..... Karin and I talked to every property owner in this area .... map... that shows... plans for people who won property... (refers to map)... the short term redevelopment area and that is what we are seeing. That site serves ..... Thornberry/If it gets to be cost prohibitive, then what do we do? Davidson/We need to make sure that is the case ..... At this present time in our negotiation with St. Pat's, we are definitely dealing with the least expensive site there ..... CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 96-120 SIDE 2 Davidson/You are talking about tearing down economically viable buildings in both locations as opposed to a clear vacant site. Baker/ Nov/ Kubby/Just think about driving down Burlington ..... Baker/You can design these things. This represents only a reasonably accnrate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, i 996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 27 Nov/We also have to try and get something that has some retail or commercial or something in there ..... Franklin / Additional factor... whether you have a willing seller ..... Davidson/(Refers to map). Kubby/Something that really grates the wrong way with to tear down viable good condition older homes that are housing lots of people and are turning a profit .... Community values. Franklin/Would any of you like to make a proposal for an alternative site? Lehman/St. Pat's site... south of the Court House ..... Davidson/Joe and I are under the impression that council is interested in increasing the amount of short term parking ..... a way to do that is to relocate permits down to this area ...... Kubby/We did that at Chauncey Swan. Davidson/Same deal here. Norton/I say pursue where you are at ..... Like other place down by the court house... future .... Nov/I think the area south of the court house is a logical place to go ..... I think we ought to move a little bit further to the south. Baker/Forget St. Pat's? Nov/Not forget it .... the federal lot is possibly something we could do sooner rather than later. Vanderhoef/ .... court house .... viable alternative particularly if we do come up with something on the north side of the business district. Franklin/We can ratchet that up in terms of talking with the GSA. Davidson/GSA I tried to call today ..... Their number had been disconnected. Council/(All talking). Franklin/We also have a number of property owners to deal with, too. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 28 Kubby/ Davidson/(Refers to map) ..... Hill part is best for parking and the flat part is best for the plaza ..... Thornberry/Going from,. south of the court house there,.. walking from there to d.t. I think is flatter,.. perceived to be perhaps not as difficult to get to ..... meybe it makes a difference. Norton/Got to have a backup if that St. Pat's think doesn't work out ..... very attractive the federal plaza .... Baker/ Davidson/ Franklin/4-2 here. Davidson/It is 4-3 but which way is it? Council/(All talking). Norton/I am for the south one, not the one up by Burlington. Nov/I am also. I think if we have to build a parking structure, it is an advantage to build it on a place that is already parking .... Baker/ Council/(All talking). Davidson/Is St. Pat's phase I and federal lot phase II still the direction here? Franklin/We will continue to pursue our negotiations with St. Pats. We will also push along... GSA. Nov/..Ask them if they will sell us the air rights. Davidson/ Nov/I would like us to pursue it. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 29 Downtown Stratec)v 96-120 S2 Franklin/The next item is the Downtown Strategy Committee .... few minutes here. The committee which you were given,. We have called everyone. We have three holes: D.t. property owner, non-user of d.t. and a young person. The d.t. property owner .... suggest Dick Summerwill of Iowa State Bank .... we will pursue Dick. The non-user of d.t ...... we have one suggestion of a business person ..... moved out of d.t ..... because of parking difficulties .... Winegarden. That is one perspective ...... Norton/ Franklin/The young person... contacted CEC... to get some suggestions for names. Kubby/ Baker/ Norton/Non-user who is not down there... Franklin/Who is reluctant to come d.t. for a variety of reasons ..... find someone without your approval ..... Lehman/Dick Brown ..... he is former user of d.t. Franklin/Thank you. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 30 State Election Law 96-120 S2 Baker/That would allow municipalities the option .... on non-partisan and referendum elections to do a mail only ballot ..... He would suggest that we need a formal council position .... suggesting that back to him that that be reintroduced with copies sent to area legislators. Nov/So we are doing this now for every election? Baker/It is strictly for non-partisan and referendum elections ..... Nov/It would apply to all referendums but it would not apply to county offices. It could apply to city.,. school board. Baker/Non-partisan and referendum only and it is optional ..... The thing is to get the power to do it. Lehman/I would suggest that you prepare a world class memo to council ..... what the advantages are. Baker/It is cheaper and your voter percentage. Kubby/It is in lieu of the precinct. Baker/ Karr/No one goes to the polls or it is an addition to the polls? Baker/Literally a mail only election. Nov/If you choose to do it, you do not open the polls ..... Norton/ Baker/... this is just an effort to say the council supports the idea that this municipality ought to be given the option ..... Kubby/ .... election strategy is much different ...... It creates a different kind of dynamic ..... Vanderhoef/What is their thinking in making it a month long? Baker/A figure I am just guessing at. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session p~e31 Nov/Partly the fact they would have to mail every ballot on the same day .... thousand of registered voters. Baker/There are also some details about how it works. This is just simply a request that the state allows a city to do it and then we can debate... whether we want to ..... That is all this request is is for us to take a formal position that we would like to have the power to consider that as an option ..... Norton/I would support trying to get that power .... have... scholarly analysis... Can we have a little literature .... at the same time? Nov/We are going to win on it. Baker/I will talk to Dale about the wording of a letter. Nov/ .... I would like to read what kind of things are we doing with it. Baker/Do you need that before you make your mind up whether or not you want it? Council/(No). Norton/You got it. Don't ask again, Larry. Nov/There is a meeting of Iowa Urban Mayors in Des Moines later this month. Should I bring this up? Council/(Yes). Baker/ Norton/Let the record show that Larry is going to get us some info, too ...... Baker/World class memo coming up. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 32 Meeting Schedule 96-120 $2 Nov/Did everybody bring a calendar? Kubb¥/We always have council meetings on election night ..... some people like to be involved in the process ..... Norton/ Nov/That is a suggestion to cancel November 5. To do the work session and the formal meeting on the same night ..... Karen Kubby plan ..... Council/(Meeting schedule discussion). Kubby/5:30 special work session and 7:00 special formal session on November 4. Vanderhoef/And nothing on the 5th. Nov/I think I hear us agreeing on November 4. Karr/Move November 5 meeting to November 4 and double up on November 4. Nov/5:30. Kubby/Tuesday, meet with P/R at 5:007 ..... Nov/Tuesday at 5:00, would that work? Council/(Meeting schedule discussion). Norton/Wednesday, 5:00 to 7:00. Karr/13th at 5:00. Council/ Karr/ Norton/Start at 4:30 ..... Karr/I can certainly approach that with them ...... 4:30 would be okay ..... Kubby/Rest of this is just kind of our regular schedule except for cancellation of New Years Eve ...... This represents only a reasonably accorate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 33 Karr/December calendars.. if anyone is going to San Antonio, I need to know. Thornberry/I am open all the month of November now. Nov/Sounds like nobody is going to San Antonio. Okay. This represents only a reasonably accra'ate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WSI00796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 34 Council AQenda/Time 96-120 S2 1. Baker/ .... Proclamation for Kelly Services. I don't understand why we are proclaiming them. Nov/Why not? ..... We haven't said no to anyone. It is very very difficult. Kubby/If we have four people who don't want to do it. Lehman/At some point we are going to have to start saying no to some people ..... Kubby/ Baker/It is just advertising for a business ..... Council/(All talking). Baker/It is temporary staffing to avoid high wages and benefits. Kubby/I don't want to do the Kelly Service proclamation. Norton/I am not very happy with doing this. Nov/Very difficult to remove it from the agenda ..... just not right. Lehman/I think we need to adopt a policy .... Kubby/Because there is no process for us to know in advance when they are on the agenda ..... Council/ Baker/ Karr/We did change some wording but we never pulled the proclamation. Woito/A statement of a national political concern or issue that was controversial that I think I changed. Nov/ Council/ Nov/We can avoid reading it ..... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcriptioa of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 35 Kubby/We don't have four to remove it so let's deal with it that way. Thornberry/ Nov/ 2, Baker/We got a letter about graffiti ..... Atkins/Several things are happening. I am trying to put something together whereby we can react fairly quickly. I talked to some private property owners ..... I know what you want. You want them removed as quickly as possible and I understand your goal. Nov/I went to that chemical demonstration and I was not terribly impressed. Atkins/I wasn't either ..... Nov/I wasn't impressed ..... 3, Kubby/(Agenda #4f.(1) Wilfreda Hieronymous regarding downtown). We got this letter from Freda... asking for some assistance. I guess I would like the request to be more direct. Norton/Relief from the parking impact fee. Nov/I think that is what she meant. Kubby/She doesn't really say specifically ..... With her saying hurry up and do this... can't do it without your help.. project not quite viable in the private market ..... am not sure it is a good thing for us to do a project that is not viable that is on this kind of scale. Nov/It is up to her whether to do it or not. Kubby/ Thornberry/She told Naomi and I... that she would do it without a parking impact fee ..... Kubby/So we are not planning any kind of response at this point? ..... feel an obligation that we follow up in one way or another ..... Norton/We can't back the impact fee off her particular case. Can we? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 36 Council/(All talking). Nov/If we modify her policy, we will then tell her ..... Norton/ Vanderhoef/Drop her a note to say we are looking at it. Nov/I told her that orally ..... Norton/I would like to know when we are 9oing to review that ..... Vanderhoef/Put it in writing because it will be in the minutes ..... alert other property owners down there ..... Nov/...we are considering it ..... Norton/..raises expectations that we are going to lower it. Nov/ 4. Kubby/(Agenda #4f.(2) 1418 Sycamore Street) We got a letter in our packet from some neighbors... about a place on Sycamore Street .... Housing Assistance Program recipient. Are there other things? Norton/Terry and I both did informal site visits .... there is activity .... really busy ..... I called Steve ..... he says that R.J. has been doing some attending to the place and kind of tracking it ..... Atkir~s/ Kubby/When we have this kind of response .... Sent to Neighborhood Services Coordinator and Neighborhood Association .... a note .... Norton/ Kubby/Names of people .... call them ..... Arkins/We will find a way to get them informed. We will figure it out ..... Karr/We do have a policy on anonymous stuff .... ought to probably adhere to it. If it isn't signed and we are unable to contact you ..... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 37 Nov/Says here the particular people are not going to be in that house after October 1. Did that actually happen? Arkins/I don't know, 5. Kubby/(Agenda #4f.(3) Curt and Nancy Skay re: 828 St. Annes Drive) Also had a letter from Curt and Nancy Skay .... real specific questions that are being asked .... They deserve an answer. Atkins/I think Linda ought to answer that .... Nov/Dennis will answer it. Atkins/I think Dennis is on top of it. Kubby/Good to answer the questions. Arkins/I agree with you. It should be answered. 6. Kubby/(Agenda #4f.(5) John Gross downtown beautification) We also got a letter from John Gross about the possibility of removing some trees downtown... I would prefer to find colorful shade plants ..... I don't want to say yes, you can cut trees down. Arkins/,.. some of the trees will have to be removed... variety of things .... all part of the planning process ..... Lehman/ Kubby/Trimming ..... Nov/Still need to trim some trees that are hiding a traffic signal,.. Lehman/ Nov/One by Mason's has been a problem for a long time. Arkins/Linn and Washington near Mechams. 7. Kubby/Do we have a schedule for the next time we are going to talk about PCRB? Arkins/You haven't scheduled it. I need to re-write the thing ..... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 38 Kubby/Two weeks? .... Arkins/Kind of been my goal. Kubby/ Nov/I have another letter from David Baldus ..... It came to my house today ..... I want to be sure everybody has it ..... Kerr/Can I make a copy? 8. Kubby/I was checking in with some animal control folks about what the process is and the next thing to do and we got a memo in our packet... looking for some direction on two different areas: Do we want to grandfather in pigeon an dove lofts? Are there specific areas besides the prohibited and restrictive animal list that the citizen committee is going to be revising that we want them to look at7.., need to give them direction ..... Lehman/What happened at that meeting in Coralville7 Norton/Got a lot of input. Vanderhoef/There was a gentleman there from Swisher area who had help write the Cedar Rapids ..... Linn County one .... very knowledgeable ..... Norton/I thought they were revising the list of restricted and prohibited and reconsidering the general ban... reptiles ..... I am assuming we are going to get a re-draft from that committee. Kubby/...they need some direction .... Vanderhoef/Did they get the same letter that is in our packetT.., specific ideas for contacting the Center for Disease Control in Atlanta ..... I would like to see that information in the hands of the people writing the ordinance, Baker/ .....very clear that none of them intended for us to shut down Mr. Seydel ..... Kubby/ Norton/ Kubby/If we want it to be in one direction or another, they want to know ..... other options ..... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 39 Woito/... they don't meet again until November .... CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 96-121 S1 Vanderhoef/There was no discussion at that meeting at all about the pigeons. Woito/I thought they were going to step back and look at the whole thing after listening to you, all of you. Kubby/That is not my interpretation from talking to Lisa Goodman this afternoon on the phone. Woito/That was Dennis's, Lisa's and my understanding. Baker/When you talk about restrictive versus prohibited animals .... Kubby/There is a whole lot of other issues out there. Thornberry/...multitude of things. They ought to look at Linn County thing before they re-invent the wheel ..... To make an ordinance with a bunch of restrictions that are impossible to enforce, I can't see doing. Kubby/Other concern ..... committee together of citizens until November 1 8, they need time to work... seems like it is taking long .... I would like them to work a little faster. I know that their next regularly scheduled meeting is the 1 8th. I don't know if we could request they meet sooner... so that we can keep moving forward. Thornberry/ Kubby/We had on our agenda a p.h .... then there is going to be like six weeks of nothingness ..... keep all things moving forward .... Baker/Let them move at the pace that they can move at. I don't feel a sense of urgency... Nov/I would like to reinforce the idea of banning rodeos and circuses with animals ..... Norton/I didn't think we said anything about that .... Kubby/The minutes state that there was a majority to not prohibit circuses and animals. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 40 Norton/ Thornberry/My sister lives in Montana... rodeos are just a way of life. Nov/They don't have to be in the city limits ..... Norton/Let's see what they come back with ...... new draft. Kubby/As of now the direction has been to take out the prohibitions for circuses and rodeos. Norton/If we want to do that collectively we got to have a substantial debate here again about that. Kubby/ Vanderhoef/I think we will get that when they do a p.h. Nov/I will vote no, I just cannot believe we should have those kinds of things in the city limits ...... Norton/Let's don't do this tonight. Kubby/An important thing I guess I want to emphasize is that our minutes already reflect there were four people that wanted to take that out of the ordinance ..... those things will not be in there. Nov/Put it back in there. Kubby/ Nov/We can direct staff to bring us the ordinance with that language in there ....... I want that language in there before we do all of that. Norton/We have not had any public input on that particular aspect. Nov/...we took it out before we had a p.h ...... I am not happy ..... Thornberry/I will call my cowboy friends. Lehman/This discussion isn't going anywhere. We need a revised ordinance to look at. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS 100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 41 Kubby/... they need some direction from us and what I am hearing is there is no further direction from us at this time. Nov/That is what I am hearing. Vanderhoef/The direction was to contact the Center for Disease Control.., I was saying that, Norton/ Council/(All talking). 9. Norton/I had one .... I am still concerned whether that thing we got from Lisa constituted any kind of low income policy ..... It still does not seem to me to address the issue of our people going to one place and getting the job done .... Atkins/They can't go to one place and get everything done. They can go to one place and their eligibility is declared .... Norton/ Atkins/Five different departments ..... Norton/The declaration of eligibility .... Nov/You may be eligible for this low income policy and not that one and that is the consistency that we need to look for. Kubby/... We were going to get a bigger print copy ..... then we can decide if we want to try to make our low income policies more consistent ..... Nov/.., I am still trying to get Linda Severson to look up all the incomes for all those categories and I haven't gotten that from her yet. 10. Norton/Letter that appeared in our packet... activities that happened on the Southside ..... nice progress .... Having that Southside Plan to look at,.. 11. Norton/Steve .... I am concerned about the immediate problem d.t ...... street cleaning still bothers me ..... paper blowing down from different places, I don't know where we are going ton the short term steps ..... Vanderhoef/This morning was absolutely unbelievable. Lehman/... in 15 minutes you get leaves all over. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 42 Norton/I don't know where these short term things d.t. fit in. They seem to fall through the cracks. Atkins/I can give you a list of short term proposals .... fairly quickly .....wanted me to do something more comprehensively. Lehman/I sense consensus that we would like housekeeping improvements. Norton/Question of how to finance that ..... assessment .... Arkins/That is being researched. Norton/ Arkins/If you want some short term issues, I will put them together. Nov/I have one issue that we can try and do something about... Talbot's entrance... there is no trash container. I we could provide some kind of receptacle. Atkins/...Personally.. the mall, that is their property ..... Kubby/ Nov/Maybe we could request they do it ..... 12. Vanderhoef/Also with the d.t. clean up. When we permit the Homecoming Parade, what kind of permit costs? What do we charge them? Arkins/They get charged for police protection. Vanderhoef/But not cleaning. Atkins/They are pretty helpful. Vanderhoef/We need a Saturday morning clean up after the parade ..... Karr/There were two city crews up there Friday night right away ..... Ped Mall and Washington Street ..... Vanderhoef/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 43 Kubby/Get Homecoming Council to commit to working with the city ..... organizing task ..... Venderheel/ Norton/...people to do work up town if they are arrested for violations. How can we do that? ...... I will ask some of my judge friends ..... 13. Venderheel/Before this cemetery issue comes back to us... whether we legally can do anything but put cemetery in. I understand that we purchase land with cemetery warrants... now being used as part of Hickory Hill Park .... Nov/There is another issue... There was property donated fo, cemetery purposes. So there are two issues. Vanderhoef/I just want to be clear where we stand legally before we start discussing this. Waite/Noted. 14. Venderbeef/Letter in the packet about fines and fees for parking zones and so forth. I don't have a clear understanding of how often we ticket a car illegally parked ...... How often do we re-ticket? Arkins/They make a round. Vanderhoef/ Arkins/You can get a couple of tickets pretty easily. That is not uncommon. Thornberry/ Norton/Is it better to cheat than to pay? Arkins/There is an element of truth to it ..... Nov/Is it something we can change? Arkins/No ..... Kubby/Isn't it State Code what- Do we have discretion what our fines are? Can we increase our fines? Arkins/The meter fines are set at a maximum of $5.00. That is a state law. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 44 Vanderhoef/How about loading zones? ..... Atkins/I will find out ..... Kubby/ .... tickets... Goes up to $50.00 now before a tow ..... Arkins/I think that is right .... I will check that for you and find out. Thornberry/ Nov/What about parking in a lot where you don't have a permit? Arkins/$5.00 I think it is. Nov/ 15. Lehman/My granddaughters represented the city well. Norton/I wasn't invited to ride in the convertible ..... Lehman/ 16. Vanderhoef/I presume that is the twins on your new ad, the new brochure. All right, so the girls are on there. I will have you know that my grand-baby is on the t.v. one. 17. Nov/ ..... I had a phone call yesterday about noise, disturbing the peace ..... 400 block of South Dubuque Street ..... 4:00 AM ..... yelling fire ..... He said he wants to write new laws on disturbing the peace ..... I just want you to know there are certain areas of town that we really have to do a little more policing ..... 18. Norton/Somebody called me at 7:15 Saturday morning about the band practicing ..... Atkins/Yeah. Norton/I said for Godsake, call the University, they run the band .... 19. Nov/The city TEAM group is going to do some clean up and weatherization for folks who are elderly and handicap ..... Lisa said she is going to give us a sign up sheet in case any of us want to go out and help ..... Atkins/Nov. 2. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796 October 7, 1996 Council Work Session page 45 Nov/It is entirely up to you, whoever wants to do it or not ..... Atkins/We ask for a two hour commitment ..... 20. Kubby/Does anybody want to pledge to the Free Medical Clinic for Hospice? have e pledge sheet ..... A~ointments 96-121 S1 HCDC - Jim Harris Adjourned: 10:15 PM This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 7, 1996. WS100796