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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1996-10-28 AgendaSubject to change as finalized by the City Clerk. For a final official copy, contact the City Clerk's Office, 356-5040. AGENDA IOWA CITY CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING - October 28, 1996 6:00 P.M. COUNCIL CHAMBERS ITEM NO.1- CALL TO ORDER. ROLL CALL. ITEM NO. 2- CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING A PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLAT OF A RESUBDIVISION OF LOTS 5 AND 6, JACOB RICORD'S SUBDIVISION, IOWA CITY, IOWA. (SUB96-0022) ITEM NO. Comment: At its September 19 meeting, the Planning and Zoning Commission, by a vote of 6-0, recommended approval of the prelimi- nary and final plats, subject to approval of construction drawings, le- gal papers, and approval of the plats and a sidewalk alignment and grading/elevation plan by the Public Works Department prior to City Council consideration of the plats. The Commission's recommenda- tion is generally consistent with the staff recommendation contained in the September 19 staff report. The legal papers, construction drawings, plats, and sidewalk alignment plan have been approved. This item was deferred from the Council meeting of October 22, 1996. Action: 3-CONSIDER A RECOMMENDATION THAT A NO-PARKING ZONE BE ESTABLISHED ON NORTH DODGE COURT, Comment: At its September 19 meeting, the Planning and Zoning Commission, in an ancillary motion to SUB96-0022, recommended that parking be prohibited on North Dodge Court due to the narrow- ness of the sixteen-foot wide pavement. This item was deferred from the Council meeting of October 22, 1996. Action: '~.~ / ~(.~.,. Z'~c.~,.~ ITEM NO>:ADJOURNMENT To: Mayor, City Council and General Public From: City Clerk Date: October 28, 1996 Re: Addition to the October 28, 1996 Agenda ITEM NO. 4 - Motion to adjourn to executive session to discuss strategy with counsel in matters that are presently in litigation or where litigation is imminent where its disclosure would be likely to prejudice or disadvantage the position of the governmental body in that litigation. This action is being taken pursuant to the emergency provision of the Code of Iowa, Section 21.4(2) for good cause where 24 hour notice is impossible or impractical, namely litigation strategy that requires timely attention. w ITEM NO. 5 - Adjournment, #2 page I ITEM NO. 2 - CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING A PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLAT OF A RESUBDIVISION OF LOTS 5 AND 6, JACOB RICORD'S SUBDIVISION, IOWA CITY, IOWA (SUB96-0022) Nov/Moved by Vanderhoef, seconded by Lehman. Discussion. Thornberry/Question. What does "generally consistent with staff recommendation" mean? As opposed to wholeheartedly or- Mikio/There was a slight change we had recommended subject to a particular condition. The commission removed that condition. The plat had been altered to address that concern and I don't recall what that detail was. Kubby/One of the things that I thought we had asked for was some information about if the plat isn't approved or if Bruce doesn't want to go through with this but he had another idea that wouldn't need to go through city process and I guess I want to know how many lots can he have under those conditions if the plat were not approved and what would happen? Nov/Isn't this automatically approved if we don't do anything? Miklo/If you deny the plat- Woito/If you don't do anything it is approved. Miklo/In terms of the property that is there now, there is one lot and a part of another that can be split into two. So you could build two duplexes, basically, without doing subdivision approval. Nov/Okay. So if we had a no vote, he could still build something. Miklo/Right. Woito/And if you do a no vote, 1 am going to ask you to articulate your reasons why because I will ask you to pass a resolution articulating the reasons for denial. Norton/That is you have to basically maintain the safety issue or something Woito/You have to have articulable reasons for denial that are justified. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 28, 1996. F102896 #2 p~e2 Thomberry/I understand they are going to be doing the chip seal on the road. Miklo/Right, that will occur this summer likely at the same time or even prior to any houses being constructed on the property. Nov/We are making the assumption that it is next year's construction season. Miklo/Yes. It was already scheduled to be clfip sealed next sununer, 1997. Nov/What about housing construction? Miklo/That could theoretically occur as soon as this is approved. However, given the construction season, it is unlikely that there would be any construction, certainly not occupancy, before next summer. Nortm~/Bob, what happens if an application comes along for a subdivision across the street? Presumably that is to the north but I am always mildly off center out there. What happens when that comes in? What happens to the street in other words? Miklo/We would reexamine the issue at that time to determine how many lots are being proposed and whether the street was or is sufficient. So without knowing how many lots- Nortoefl Suppose another half dozen. Miklo/I would suspect that another half dozen would not be enough, especially if it is widened to 22 feet, to require this being brought up to city standards. There is a large parcel over here that does have access to the property. That is that develops it may generate several more lots and then we would have to look at it at that time. It is a complicated issue, however, in that this has some environmentally sensitive areas on it, some steep slopes, and a stream running through it, and woodlands. So the actual number of lots we won't know until there is actually a proposal submitted before us. It also has the option of having access to Hwy 1. Kubby/Will you describe the zonings in all those areas? Miklo/This entire area is zoned RS-8. Kubby/Oh, it all is? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 28, 1996. F102896 #2 page 3 Miklo/Right. Norton/l thought there was a commercial piece in there. Miklo/This one piece here is zoned commercial. Kubby/That little triangle. Vanderhoef/Okay and you say that the big parcel to the far right hand side of the stream, I don't know what direction, east I say, northeast. That that will have an access on Hwy 17 Miklo/It may have an access on Hwy 1. We don't know because there hasn't been any development proposal submitted or we haven't talked to the owner. It does have the opportunity for access to Hwy 1. I would think, given the topography, it is likely there will be two access points, one to Hwy 1 and possibly a second one here. Vanderhoeff Okay. Miklo/The conunercial property does have access to Hwy 1 and we would not want to have it have access to Dodge Street Court by the way. Norton/Have you talked at all to that property to the north? Have they spoken to you recently at all? Mildo/The Southgate Development? Norton/To the north of Dodge Street Court. Mildo/No we haven't. Norton/Because I am trying to get a handle on what point are we going to have to go into a serious street development there and therefore, that is going to happen sometime. I am trying to figure what would trigger that. Kubby/Does staff have a sense of how many more cars per day would trigger needing something more than a 22 foot road. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of tile Iowa City council meeting of October 28, 1996. F102896 #2 page 4 Miklo/I don't have a sense. Public Works probably does. But the 12 lot subdivision was not of concern. Their assessment was that it could handle the traffic. More of a concern was what might happen to the street during construction of the housing units. We do have streets, such as Taft Speedway that have the equivalent amount of traffic or more traffic than this does and that has not been a major difficulty maintaining that street. Kubby/What is the width ofTaft? Miklo/I am not sure ofthe width in terms of the pavement. I believe it is wider than 16 feet. But in terms of the makeup of the pavement it is chip seal. Woito/And we have in the subdivision agreement that if the chip seal is damaged during construction, that the subdivider will repair it and in all fairness to the subdivider, Brace Glasgow came in with a proposal to split some of those lots and Karn Franklin and Doug Boothroy and Chuck Schmadeke and I reviewed it and we highly recommended that he should do it by the book which is to come in with a subdivision so that we could look at the big picture and he did that and rather than trying to circumvent the law, he is trying to comply with it which may be somewhat ironic to you but that is the history of it. Kubby/Some of it is kind of, in my mind, a safety issue and a timing issue goes together. That because we are not doing improvements to No~lh Dodge Street, they are not scheduled until the year 2002, it would be nice to kind of coordinate some of the development as well as the safety issues because even if that road is chip sealed and even ifit is 22 feet wide, you still have that odd comer that will be rehabbed in 2002 and we re-do North Dodge Street. Miklo/We did do an investigation of the accident history there and there has been one minor accident in the past six years which is pretty remarkable compared to other intersections in town. So even though it is not an ideal situations, there is not a history of accidents there. Kubby/But there are also- I mean, I have not idea of how many people are using that now. Does, well, I am assuming that some people said that there are two people who are going to buy one lot each to kind of create a buffer between their property and the development. There are four lots left. That means a maximum of eight units. Is eight units doubling the number of households out there? Miklo/There are approximately ten households on both Conklin and Dodge Street Court. This represeuts only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 28, 1996. F102896 #2 page 5 Kubby/They are almost doubling it with that conservative scenario. Vanderhoef/One of my concerns right along has been fire and I see the Fire Chief is here and the 22 foot width, tell me what that does for you. Andy Rocca/Well, in terms of an access standpoint, the Fire Code requires a minimum of 20 feet width for an access road. So 22 feet, I like the sound of that real well but certainly wouldn't want to see any parking, anything like that on the street. Thomberry/Chief, is that with or without parking? Rocca/That is an unobstructed width. So without. Thomberry/So if somebody is parked there, they are parked there illegally. My question the other night was what happens if cars are parked along there illegally and you have got a fire down at the end? Do you get through? Rocca/One way or the other which means we either tow or ticket. Our vehicles are bigger than theirs and we push them out of the way. And we do have several hundred feet of hose. So we will get there. Lehman/I believe Wylde Green Road is what? 25 feet wide? Rocca/I couldn't say for sure. Lehman/I am almost positive that is correct. It was built prior to the 28 foot requirement. Woito/The paved width? Lehman/Right and we have parking on that street all of the time which means the travel portion on Wylde Green Road would be substantially less that this would be if there were no parking. Rocca/And it gets worse through snow conditions because the snow accumulates on the curb and the cars encroach a little more towards the center. It poses us some difficulties and, you know, we try to get cooperation from citizens in streets like that to have the cars removed so when the plows come through, at least we can maintain the minimum width there. Any other questions? Thank you. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 28, 1996. F102896 #2 page 6 Norton/It just seems somehow too bad we don't have a mini-comprehensive plan for this whole area because, for example, this sketch shows Conkiln Lane lining fight up with Old Dubuque Road which it doesn't do. You know, I mean nothing lines up with anything. Miklo/These lines represent the r.o.w.s, not the actual pavement. Nov/Oh, okay. That is interesting. Vanderhoet7 So when it is developed, you are saying that that is where the road will go? Miklo/In terms of Conklin? That hasn't been designed yet. That will be designed with the Dodge Street improvements. Vanderhoef/But that is oar r.o.w.? Miklo/Right. It will go somewhere within that triangular area. Most likely the current Conklin intersection will be closed. The current Dodge Court intersection will be closed and combined into one at a right angle with Hwy 1. That would be ideal. Kubby/I guess I am, even though I am really grateful that Bruce came in, that you persuaded him to go by the book and that he followed your advice and he is probably going to be really mad. That I wouldn't mind that development once these improvements are made, especially the Dodge Street improvement. That I am feeling just very uncomfortable and would hope that maybe he would just- I mean I want to, at this point of the meeting, I want to say no, ask him to hold off on developing until we do North Dodge Street and then come back again. Thomberry/I don't think we can do that. Woito/But isn't that like seven years a away? Kubby/2002. Miklo/Right. Kubby/I guess I am really concerned about that little comer and that I guess I just wish the timing were different and because of my concern, I am feeling like I want to say no and that I could say yes in the future when that concern is removed by our CIP. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 28, 1996. F102896 #2 page 7 Woito/However, I think I heard the staff telling us there is no objective finding of an unreasonable safety hazard at that intersection. Kubby/But you are also significantly, statistically significantly increasing the number of cars going out of there. Miklo/Our transportation planner took that into account and based on the current conditions and the history of the area felt that 12 more units maximum was not of concern. Kubby/It may not be of- Thomberry/So there is really no legal safety concerns. Norton/Apparently. Thornberry/I mean ifeverybody voted no, Karen, we would be in hot water. Kubby/But our transportation planner may say this isn't a problem, but when your car is there and it is peak time and you are trying to turn left- Thomberry/I know, I live right there. Kubby/I mean it is still a concern in here and in here and our staff may be saying there isn't an objective thing but there is still a responsibility on my part to make a judgment and my judgment, and if we all shared my judgment, we might go to court but that is part of why we are here. It is to make those judgments. That is what I am feeling right now. Persuade me. I would like to hear what other people are feeling or thinking. Norton/I am sympathetic to that view, Karen. But I find the other thing of holding somebody up because of perhaps a problem that we should have dealt with earlier or something of that kind. Maybe we should have dealt with that funny little comer earlier. I don't know how to rationalize holding the~n up when they are abiding by the letter of the law and we have adjusted to try to get closer to the spirit of it. So I can't quite support you although I am terribly sympathetic to kind of the mess we have there and it is going to be harder the next development that comes in. It is going to be the same questions all over again. Whether we can do anything to get ahead of that curve, I don't know. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 28, 1996. F102896 #2 p~e8 Venderhoer/It certainly is something that we can discuss next time on CIP. If we hear at the start &construction season next year that this is something coming up, we may have to take a look at doing that particular corner sooner than what we would hope to do. Thomberry/We moved things around in the CIP this year. Norton/For example, move up some of the planning so that you would know how to do this even though you aren't going to implement the rest ofall the activity out there. Maybe we could get that done because I think we could survive this one but I don't see how we could survive a second one ofthis kind on the other side of the road, for example, of even- Nov/We don't know when that one will happen. So there is no point on speculating on our survival rate for that. I am concerned that if this is going to be a piece mill development, if we have denied the plat, I think we shouldn't deny the plat. I think we should force this to be a more carefully planned development. Woito/That was the original idea. Nov/And I don't know. If we say no, are we then going to have this piece mill kind of thing? Woito/Yes, plus you will have a lawsuit. Lehman/It would appear to me that if he has followed all the rules which apparently he has. The P/Z Commission and city staff can find no significant difficulties with this, that we would be very very hard pressed to not to allow it. Vanderhoe17 1 think we have addressed some of the concerns. The biggest concern I had fight off the bat was with fire safety and then when I heard of ambulance and so forth, that even kicked in more safety problems for me. And the 22 foot width is very acceptable at this point knowing that we will upgrade it to full standard street at a later time and that will probably come when the additional growth occurs in the neighborhood. The other thing that is more reassuring to me is that we hadn't had any new significant accidents at that corner even knowing what the increased traffic has been out in that particular corridor and the idea of moving the mailboxes, I would like to see staff pursue that one immediately to get them back and away from the highway if we possibly can. That would be- This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 28, 1996. F102896 #2 p~e9 Lehman/Do you know we voted 6-0 for a 29 acre subdivision with 25 foot streets? Now 29 acres, a lot of that was multi-family, zero lot line, or whatever. So it is a very very significantly larger number of traffic. Miklo/232 units. Lehman/Right, 232 units with a 25 foot street and I don't recall if we disallowed parking or not or even if that was addressed. Miklo/I- / Those were interior streets. Lehman/Yeah but they are 25 foot streets for 232 units. Kubby/But they also had a really well defined, good intersection. That once they got out of the immediate development (can't hear) Again, I guess 1 want- I am thinking about the reality at peak times especially because we have got lots of employment centers with the Press Citizen, NCS, ACT. At shift changes you have got a lot of extra traffic. You have got various peak times. Miklo/ Regardless of the design ofthe intersection, those delays are going to be there. This is not an intersection that we will ever have a light at it. So, regardless of the way it is designed, there will be a wait to turn left and sometimes even right onto Dodge Street. Kubby/But it seems like site distance would improve with an improved Conkiln. Miklo/There is not a site distance problem here. You can see as far as necessary in either direction. Kubby/Well, I guess it matters which way you go. It matters which way you go. Thornberry/Site distance problem. If the front end of your car is put on Dodge Street, you have got no problem. There is a heck of a hill there to the right when you are pulling out there. There is a hill in front of that house, that white house with that big tree. That is a beck of a hill, you know. Until you get out into the intersection, no you don't have a site problem. By then the front end of your car is gone. But again, one accident, you count near misses. But, no, there is a site problem when This represents only a reasonably accurate transcripticn of the Iowa City council meeting of October 28, 1996. F102896 #2 page 10 you are getting out on Dodge Street from Conklin. There is on Hwy I until you are out there. Miklo/The transportation planner didn't find one. Thomberry/He doesn't live out there. Kubby/I would be happy to vote yes on this when those improvements are made but until then I feel uncomfortable with the reality of what it feels like out there. So I am going to vote no. Vanderhoeff I think we all have those same concerns, Karen, and I don't see that we can hold this project up and I will vote for it. Lehman/No but we can make those improvements. Kubby/I guess the thing, the conversation that maybe we can move them up. It is like who is in charge of the sequence of events that happen in the town and what happens when development happens over here and a little bit over here and then we change out CIP, we are not- We are doing it piece mill then instead of having a plan. We are reacting instead of having a plan and spacing things out and making sure the money is spaced out and the project is spaced out, that the direction in town is spaced out. It is not really relevant to this vote. It is just kind of a generalized comment saying we will fix it sooner. Just- Norton/But unless you put up a lot of front end money, how do you avoid that? I, again, am sympathetic, I hate the fact that we are always kind of reacting. But unless you put up a lot of front end money for the city to put in improvements ahead of time- Kubby/We have that. We are dealing now this year with some things and next year we will deal with some things and things kind ofhave to wait in line because there is only so much money to go around. And so then who is in charge of where you are in the line? Is it fair to have someone cut in line? Nov/Well, no, it isn't fair and I would not be in favor of improving Dodge Street for the sake of these 12 units. I just don't think 12 units is going to be that big of problem. I would like to not move mailboxes, however. I would like the post of~ce actually do curbside delivery for those units. I think with a 22 foot road there is no question that they can do curbside delivery and it will be particularly easy if we don't allow parking. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 28, 1996. FI02896 #2 page 11 Kubby/Would you, and sounds like the majority is going to vote for this, be willing to write a letter to the postmaster requesting that as soon as it is 227 Nov/Oh, yeah, I think we should do that. Kubby/I think that would be good follow up on our part. Nov/We should say that we plan a 22 foot road and we expect them to do curbside delivery. Everybody is going to have to buy a different style mailbox and put it on a post at the end of the driveway or something like that. I think it is worth it. Thomberry/It is easier getting your mail in the middle of the winter. Nov/I think it would be easier on the current residents to have that expense than to have an assessment for a real street. So, any further discussion? Kubby/Someone just raised their hand in the audience. Audience/(Can't hear). Nov/You have to come to the microphone and please state your name and your address. Elaine Dockery/1 am on the corner of the two streets. Nov/Would you please sign in with your name and address. Your full address, not on the comer. These things have to be done significantly uniform. Dockery/Okay. There are a couple of things that 1 have been thinking about this week. One if it is a forgone conclusion that the road is going to be widen, how much time would that take? Are these people going to be bottlenecked there because how are they going to get through? As it is now when they do the sealing or whatever the heck they do, you know, it is an all day deal and it doesn't usually affect me as much because I am just right on the edge or we have to park over at HyVee. But it is a little difficult for Teresa with her wheelchair, etc. so that is one thing I was worrying about and one thing I wanted you to be particularly aware of or whoever it is that does that. Nov/Our Public Works Department has been aware of things like that. We try to give people notice that the street is going to be closed on a particular day and warn This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 28, 1996. F102896 #2 page 12 them, get your heavy groceries done, you are going to have to park farther away and etc. I don't know what we can do about a person in a wheelchair but we will be sure that everybody has- Dockery/But if you are going to widen it, that means taking some land and doing the things with the ditches on the side. That is more than one day. I am just saying that that is one thing you need to talk about. Another thing is he said there has only been one accident there. I don't know, maybe they didn't report it to the police or not. But I have personally heard of at least three accidents and that has just been in the past couple of years. And another thing is there is definitely a site problem. Whoever came them doesn't go there because when you are coming into town on Dodge, that is 45 miles. They don't switch down to 25 until the), have gone past HyVee. So they come over that comer and then they see somebody in the way. And also people going out of town are going well over 25. They are already anticipating that. That is a dangerous corner. A lot of times I would much rather walk across that then drive across that because you can get in the middle and stand there and wait for the next time because it is really a dangerous comer. Okay, I just wanted you to think about that when you are talking about widening it. Maybe it is a foregone conclusion but that is one of the things that you really need consider. Kubby/Public Works will probably survey people to say what are going to be some of your individual needs out there and make accommodations for those in advance so you can plan for them as well as we can plan. Nov/Steve, this speed limit business is something that I have brought up before. It isn't just this state road. We have other instances in Iowa city where the state limit is 45 mph and then we get to the city limits and it is immediately 25. We really need some kind of interim speed there like 45, 35, 25. Can we do that? Atkins/I am not sure we have the authority to do it. We can certainly visit with the state about it because it is a state highway and they make the final call with the speed limits. I will check with them on that for you. Nov/This is something that I have seen on the Hwy 6 Bypass. Arkins/Yes, same circumstance. Nov/And South Riverside Drive goes that way also. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 28, 1996. F102896 //2 page 13 Atkins/I will contact IDOT. Vanderhoef/Between First Avenue and headed west. 45, 35, 25. Nov/Yes, there are spots though where you just don't get the interim. They go from 35 to 55 in some spots. I think it is Riverside Drive and spots along that highway also. Vanderhoef/(Can't hear). Nov/We need more interims and Dodge Street is one of those that bothers me that way. Kubby/If we put those deer reflectors like we have on Dubuque Street, if we wanted to do that on Dodge, which I think would be a really good investment. Do we have to get permission from IDOT to do that? Atkins/I think we do but they have generally been pretty cooperative about that. Kubby/When you ask them about speed limits, could you ask them about that? The deer reflectors that we have on North Dubuque Street that have been really successful at preventing accidents. Cliff.on Young/l live at 1124 Dodge Street Court. I just want to point out that, along with what Mr. Thomberry was saying, that no one in their right mind goes into town from that straight right angle because you can't see and they are coming in at least 40 mph. We all do it at the cemetery entrance and generally you have time to wait because there isn't a bunch of cars behind you. You are not being pressured to take a chance and go out there. 12 more families, it is going to be different. They is going to be a big pile of traffic there. You get, you know, you develop the other side. What do you have, 24 families? I am just worried that with all the construction, we just aren't going to be able to get through and we are just going to have too many people. I know that Mr. Glasgow has done all of this work and he owns the property and all. But last fall we heard two houses. Now we are facing 12 families and maybe another 12 on the other. It is just gettiog out of hand. Nov/We understand that. But when you heard two houses, you did not know that someday there would be two more and then another day there would be still two more because he would have done this piece mill and it would have been 12 residences in the end anyway. We feel that having this plan gives us a little more leverage then it would have been if it would have been two houses at a time and that is the best that we can afford to do right now. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 28, 1996. F102896 #2 page 14 Young/At least can you hold off the construction until we actually have a street there. I don't trust him. You know, and I don't trust the people who are going to be doing the construction because all they are interested in is getting their money for building the house. They don't care about us. And if that means they have to park the machinery in the street, then they are going to park the machinery in the street. Nov/We can tell them not to park machinery in the street and we can ask that the road be chip sealed early in the construction season. This may not happen or it may rain too much or something like that. But we can ask because that would be our expense and so we would hire the contractor. Kubby/Linda, because people's biggest safety concern was the 16 foot street. Can we condition the plat on a 22 foot road surface because that is why people are voting yes on it because that street is going to be wider? I mean that is an assumption that I am making that may or may not be true. Maybe I should get confirmation from some council member. Norton/He is going to need a wider street, trucks and one thing or another. Woito/Sarah has a response. Nov/Please come to the mic- Sarah Holecek/To respond to your question, the determination was made that the addition of potentially 12 additional units was not a high enough bumping up of the use of the street to require the surface be expanded to 22 feet. We have obtained five additional feet ofr. o.w. from the southside that is being developed in anticipation of further development that will require the expanded street. But that determination was made that it wouldn't be appropriate or wouldn't be impact related. Kubby/But if this body made the judgment that if we couldn't do- ifit would be a 16 foot street. lfa majority o£council would have voted on it from our deliberations, would it be appropriate to place that condition on it because of our judgment at this level? Holecek/And cmTect me ifI am wrong So repeating would be that- Norton/Street work first. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council ~neeting of October 28, 1996. F102896 #2 page 15 Holecek/In order to approve the plat, you would require that the street be expanded to 22 feet or construction permits would be held up based on- Kubby/That would be a condition. Woito/Then you have to give us authority to direct Chuck to get it done in March. Nov/We can ask Chuck to get it done in March. That is no problem. It is our money, it is our contract. We can do that. What we are really saying here is can we say there will not be a building permit until after that street is widened? Woito/I would not recommend that. Nov/Okay. Woito/I mean I think that I can call Bruce and ask him to go along with that requirement and I think that is a good faith effort. I don't know that you have the legal basis but that- If you want to do that, that is your vote. Kubby/Even if four people would have voted no on this plat. Woito/But there hasn't been a vote yet. Kubby/That doesn't really answer my question. Woito/You can require that. I would not recommend it. I would rather that we try and deal with this as gentleman and ladies and call him up and ask him to comply with that request and that we talk to Chuck and get it put on his schedule as early in the spring as possible. Now maybe it can be put on the fall schedule. I don't know. Seems to me that that is our burden. Vanderhoef/But we can make the determination that he can't keep any equipment on the street at this point, in this 16 foot. Kubby/We will say no parking. Vanderhoef/He has got to pull equipment up onto his property? Woito/I think so. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 28, 1996. F102896 //2 page 16 Vanderhoef/That is real important. Miklo/That is true on any subdivision. We don't allow- Venderhoer/i just want that in the record to assure these people because they do have big concerns and if there are pieces of equipment left out there, then they know that they have the right to notify us and pick up the phone and call us and say somebody is parking out here and we can't get through. Nov/And we can put our no parking signs out early. That is easy enough to do. Please go ahead. Pat Edberg/I live at 1380 North Dodge Court and I persist at calling it North Dodge Court and that is my question. Where does it end? Vanderhoef/Bob, does it turn that corner, that 90 degree corner? Miklo/The street r.o.w. ends here at this point. Edberg/Okay, fine, that is what ! was hoping. So it turns that 90 degrees there. Miklo/Right, it ends here at this property line and that is a private road beyond there. Edberg/Yep. That is great. And the second question ] have, is this a legitimate question. is Bruce Glasgow going to sell those lots or is he planning to build on those lots7 Does anybody know? Lehman/We have not way of knowing. Nov/Usually they are sold after they are built. Someone who buys the house buys the house and the lot together. Edbergt Yeah but like he is not just selling the lots and somebody would- Woito/He might. He is the subdivider. He is a developer, not a contractor. So he likely will sell them to people to build houses. But I don't know that. I have no idea. Kubby/He did state to me that two people in the area had already inquired about the end two lots, #1 and//6. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 28, 1996. F102896 #2 page 17 Edberg t Yeah, I knew about that which made me think that they would just bit by bit be sold off Thank you. Nov/Okay, are we ready to vote here? Okay, roll call- (yes; Kubby-no). Okay, this passed on a 5-1 vote, Kubby voting no. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 28, 1996. F102896 #3 page ITEM NO. 3 - CONSIDER A RECOMMENDATION THAT A NO-PARKING ZONE BE ESTABLISHED ON NORTH DODGE COURT. Nov/Moved by Kubby, seconded by Norton. Discussion. Thornberry/Would there be parking once it is 22 feet? Woito/No, we will keep it no parking. That is my understanding. Nov/Yeah. We can amend this to remove the words 16 foot. Woito/No, you don't need to amend the comments. It is a recommendation. Nov/What about the actual resolution? Does the resolution say that. Woito/It is a recommendation that a no parking- Miklo/it is just direction to staff. Nov/Okay. Woito/-zone be established in North Dodge Court. You don't need anything more. Nov/You don't need a formal resolution? Woito/No. Nov/Okay. Any other discussion? And this is an aye? Woito/Motion. Nov/All in favor, please say ayes- (ayes). Motion carried. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 28, 1996. F102896