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Home My WebLink About1996-11-04 TranscriptionNovember 4, 1996 Special Council Work Session Page 1 November 4, 1996 Special Council Work Session 5:30 PM Council: Novick, Kubby, Lehman, Norton, Thomberry, Vanderhoef, Baker (6:25 PM). Staff: Arkins, Helling, Woito, Karr, Franklin, Schoon, Fosse, Davidson. Tapes: 96-130, Side 2; 96-131, Side 1. Review Zonint Matters 96-130 S2 a. Public hearing on an ordinance amending Title 14, Chapter 6, Article J, entitled "Overlay Zones," Section 2, entitled "Planned Development Housing Overlay Zone (OPDH)," subsection D, entitled "Regulations," to indicate that parking reductions may be approved for non-residential uses as part of a Sensitive Areas Overlay rezoning. Franklin/First item is a p.h.. on an ordinance, parking for non-residential uses when we do planned developments. This is to make the Planned Development Ordinance consistent with the Sensitive Areas Ordinance.... housekeeping .... Nov/Why are we putting it in under the Planned Development housing for non-resident uses? Franklin/Because you can, in a Planned Development, have non-residential uses. We have not had a development project in which we have had a commercial use .... also needs to go in there because the Sensitive Areas Ordinance uses the Planned Development housing process for approval ..... Nov/Thank you. b. Consider an ordinance amending Title 14, Chapter 7, entitled "Land Subdivisions," Article A, entitled "General Subdivision Provisions," Section 4, entitled "Establishment of Control," pc{raining to City review of subdivisions located within two miles of the City's boundaries. (First consideration) Franklin/First consideration on the ordinance amendment regarding the extraterritorial jurisdiction. Any questions on that? c. Consider an ordinance amending Title 14, Chapter 6, entitled "Zoning," Article M, entitled "Accessory Uses and Buildings," Section 1, entitled "Permitted Accessory Uses and Buildings," to allow satellite receiving devices one meter or less in diameter in any yard or on the roof of any structure in residential areas. (First consideration) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 4, 1996. WS110496 November 4, 1996 Special Council Work Session Page 2 Franklin/c., d. and e. First considerations on the ordinances pertaining to Telecommunications Act. Any comments on that, Mr. Norton? Norton/Concerned whether we should or could incorporate more restrictions or guidelines in this ordinance at this time. Karen had an e-mail from Jill Smith that raised a number of questions... seems to me there is a number of questions that I would like to see get in the general ordinance rather than in just under special exceptions ..... 1 didn't know what the hurry was, okay? Franklin/There isn't any particular hurry. There is not a legion of people out there with communication towers... The ordinance we have in place right now we know is inconsistent with the Telecommunications Act ...... This is to get something in place that will be consistent with the Telecommunications Act. The reason we chose the P zone and the special exception process is because it is where it gives us the most control. Us, being public entities ..... The special exception process... means it goes before the Board of Adjustment and then can be reviewed on a case by case basis. The consistency issue... is something that we face with any special exception for anything. We try to be as consistent as we can ..... But sometimes a particular situation... is going to vary with the buildings that are around it .... topography and not something that we believe you can put a reasonable standard in the code that is going to apply across the board. Design is the same sort of consideration. Kubby/We really have two levels of public review ..... Franklin/ .... We cannot preclude towers from being located in Iowa City ...... It has got to be open .... Norton/ Franklin/We can control the height reasonably ..... Norton/You might have a max height ...relative to the terrain... or relative to the highest surrounding building ..... Franklin/Yes, but it is always relative and that is why we wanted to do it on a special exception basis ..... Kubby/We might want to have some questions that we would ask anyone who would approach us and ask other public entities to maybe share this list of question that are guidelines for making agreements. This represents only a reasouably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 4, 1996. WS110496 November 4, 1996 Special Council Work Session Page 3 Franklin/That is possible ..... setback landscaping, sharing.... We have the provision in here now about co-lecation. Norton/What about if they are on University property? Is that under our preview at that point? Kubby/... They don't have to do any zoning stuff. Franklin/I think that is a case we can press. Kubby/ Norton/ Franklin/...There have been other circumstances in which a sub-ordinance jurisdiction has influenced what happened in a superior jurisdiction property .... Norton/ .... documents and articles.. workshops... Seems some communities have a much more elaborate basic ordinance than we do. Maybe we are wise to make it flexible .... Franklin/There is time to do it. You take a certain risk. Nov/I would just assume have something on the books and then revise. Norton/Revise it later after we get a little more wisdom? Okay. I am not sure.... P/Z or BTC... who is looking at this.... in in-depth way for sure. Nov/BTC. Hellins/Primarily the Commission, staff, and our consultant, Rice Williams Associate. As far as zoning issue.... To get something in place so we have something in control. Kubby/We might want to direct staff that we are going to go ahead with this but we want some more i~fformation about some guidelines. Vanderhoe.f/I think it would be appropriate to look at what happens in our other public zones and talk about it and get a legal opinion... or at least talk to.. Supervisors. Nov/...lobbying for state regulations ..... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 4, 1996. WS110496' November 4, 1996 Special Council Work Session Page 4 Norton/We could also send to other communities ... get a couple of particular ordinances. Nov/We could do that. Kubby/So are we directing staff to do this? I would like to. Nov/Yeah, as far as I know, Drew is already working on other cities, isn't he? Helling/'I think he has some information... would rely on the consultant to provide us that kind of information. Nov/Let's see what we can do. Helling/ Franklin/So is your direction going to be to Planning staff in terms ofzoning provisions? You -wish to have something that you look at standards or guidelines that are tighter than what is in this initial ordinance. Norton/A couple of examples. I don't see how it could hurt. Franklin/Oka3/. The priority of this for you all? Nov/Sounds like BTC is already working on some of that ....consultant .... Franklin/ Kubby/What direction do we want to facilitate this to go? .....larger... or... lots of small ones.., Franklin/We will look into some other examples. We will work with BTC to make sure that we are coordinated on this and I think there is going to be a couple of items for you to prioritize in the near future on the Zoning work program. Kubby/An issue that is really going to be before us in the not too long and we might as well be ahead of it a little bit ..... Norton/Satellite and tower blight ..... Vanderhoe0' Still looking at first of the year.... There is no way that you can put this on your schedule right now. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 4, 1996. WSl10496 November 4, 1996 Special Council Work Session Page 5 Franklin/I think it is going to take some time to figure it all out. Okay. d. Consider an ordinance mending Title 14, Chapter 6, entitled "Zoning," Article I, entitled "Ptibli¢ Zone," Subsection 4, entitled "Special Exceptions," to allow communications toxvers as a special exception in the P, Public zone. (First consideration) e. Consider an ordinance amending Title 14, Chapter 6, entitled "Zoning," Article B, entitled "Zoning Definitions," to add definitions associated with wireless communications facilities, including "communications tower," "communications equipment building," and "communications station." (First consideration) f. Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance by changing the use regulations of approximately 7.12 acres located west of Dubuque Street and south of the Iowa River, from County RS, Suburban Residential, to P, Public. (REZ96-0016) (Second consideration) Franklin/Second consideration on the annexation by the water plant .... Nov/Do we want to collapse on that? Franklin/No. We have not heard back from the state yet on the annexation. So we need to have it annexed before we do that final reading. So we will either put it on for deferral next time of maybe we will know by then. g. Consider a resolution approving the preliminary plat ofA Resubdivision of Lot 2, Plaza, an 11.41 acre, 2-lot commercial subdivision located south of Ruppert Road. (SUB96-0023) Franklin/A resolution approving the preliminary plat of Westpor~ Plaza.... two lot commercial subdivision to split the Cub Foods lot for the Stables project. Norton/I couldn't understand the plat ..... Franklin/I don't have an overhead of that particular one. Norton/Were they trying to lay out the building? Franklin/This is just to split out the land so that Stables can buy it and the site plan we will do administratively ..... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 4, 1996. WS110496 November 4, 1996 Special Council Work Session Page 6 h. Consider a letter to the Johnson County Board of Supervisors recommending approval of an application to fezone approximately 21.25 acres located in Johnson County on the north side of Highway 1, approximately one mile west of Sharon Center Road (W62) from AI, Agricultural, to RS-5, Suburban Residential. (CZ9641) Franklin/A county rezoning and this is for 21.25 acres. The drawing that you have... original drawing that came in which was for 20 acres. They have increased the size of the piece to fezone to enable them to meet the 80% open space requirement. This is consistent with our newly adopted Fringe Agreement for area C and the recommendation is that this be sent on... approval.... subject to it having one vehicular access point on Highway 1. Kubby/Good to know the arrangement for the 80%... high standard.... clustering .... Norton/Suppose they didn't have any adjacent property to add to that....about 15 acres ..... Franklin/I think from the very beginning they were meeting the intent of the agreement. What we didn't talk about .... was this whole issue of counting roads and r.o.w. or not in the calculation when you do the 80%. Rick Dvorak and I had a conversation about this... we need to iron out .... to figure out how we are going to address that because the county does not include the paved surface in their calculations for density. We do not include the r.o.w ..... How we deal with it in the growth area and how we deal with it outside the growth area can be two different things that we need to work through and Rick and I will work on that. Norton/ Franklin/ ! consider a letter to the Johnson County Board of Supervisors recommending approval of an application to rezone approximately 8.64 acres located in Johnson County west of Prairie du Chien Road, approximately ¼ mile north of Newport Road, from A1, Agricultural, to RS-3, Suburban Residential. (CZ9647) Franklin/Also a county rezoning and another one that is consistent with the newly adopted Fringe Agreement. This is right near the Westcott's property .... is a rezoning from A-1 to RS~3. The RS-3 is consistent with the Fringe Agreement and there is additional language in here that it is recommended .....be consistent with North Corridor Development Policy. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 4, 1996. WSl10496 November 4, 1996 Special Council Work Session Page 7 Kubby/...There is no enabling rules or regulations from the county to force implementation of the North Corridor Plan. Franklin/Not yet. Kubby/And I don't know if there has been any direction. Franklin/They are in the midst of their comprehensive planning process.... they will complete that planning process... adopt regulations to carry it out. Kubby/ .....I was thinking another line in the letter could be... we hope that the county will move forward on adopting regulations so people will know what is expected on how to implement the plan ......There is this void then.... We want them to follow it .... Nov/I think th6y know that without our telling them. We are really responding to a plat rather than whether or not they have rules. Kubby/We are saying we want this plan to be followed and it is hard for people to follow the plan without the rules .... Franklin/This is a zoning at this point. You will be reviewing the plat when the plat comes in ..... As we review the plat at the staff level, we will be keeping those particular provisions in mind ..... There is no ordinance or law on the book ..... depends on the developer's goodwill at this point because we cannot impose anything other than our subdivision regulations. Kubby/Is anyone interested in adding a little oomph to encourage the Board of Supervisors .....that if you got a plan, we hope you have rules that help you live it Out. NoRon/If you think it will help and not be regarded as presumptuous ..... Kubby/ Nov/I think it is presumptuous. Thomberry/....doesn't hurt, doesn't help. Norton/We have four that says it doesn't hurt. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 4, 1996. WS110496 November 4, 1996 Special Council Work Session Franklin/. Add a line? Norton/Add a line. Thomberry/No problem. Waste some paper. Kubby/The letter is short enough that it won't add another piece of paper. Thank you. Page 8 This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 4, 1996. WS 110496 November 4, 1996 Special Council Work Session Page 9 CEBA Grant Aoolication - Oral B 96-130 S2 Nov/ Franklin/Okay.... Discuss the Oral B application for a CEBA Grant and you have received in your packet a memo from David and myself with our evaluation of this proposal in the context of our financial assistance guidelines.... quick overview of the project. This is an addition on the Oral B site... company that has been with Iowa City since 1957. They are looking at a 56,000 square foot addition .... on the .... southeast corner of the building ..... about a $3 million investment... investment in machinery and equipment at approximately $26 million. The new jobs... 55 jobs over two year period ..... Wages do meet financial guidelines when you look at the new jobs and the existing jobs.... Total package of assistance includes .....State of Iowa and MidAmerican Energy.... New Industrial Jobs Training Program ..... funded with withholding taxes ..... Industrial property tax exemption... allows property tax exemption to any industrial property who applies ..... The request is for a CEBA to State oflowa for $150,000 forgivable loan and a $40,000 forgivable loan from the City of Iowa City ...... They have agreed if they do not meet this obligation that they would pay back proportionately what they did not meet. We did review this.... against our financial assistance guidelines... We would recommend this project be forwarded to the state. You are requesting the CEBA grant on behalf of Oral B ...... with your endorsement ..... I gave you a break down of our evaluation... I or David... representatives from Oral B. Nov/I have a question about the industrial property tax exemption. Is that all jurisdictions? ..... Franklin/That is all taxing jurisdictions ..... Kubby/I didn't see a turn-over rate ...... Franklin/ Rich Colgan/It is not a part of the CEBA application. We average about two employees per month of a population of 480 ..... fairly low by most standards. Norton/Seems to me.... Is this fairly standard kind of arrangement or exceptional? Franklin/Two things I would point out... strong arguments for this project. l-This is a company that has been in Iowa City for a number of years... good corporate citizen ..... making a contribution of 97% of project costs ..... They are making a significant investment in Iowa City with just this particular project. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 4, 1996. WS110496 November 4, 1996 Special Council Work Session Page 10 Lehman/Compliment staff on the job they did ..... well laid out.... probably saved council an awful lot of time... You have done a really nice job on this. Franklin/ Kubby/Looking at spirit of worker safety and labor laws, that you used some outside sources.... Another one.....Teataster's Local at Oral B to talk to the Union rep .... Oral B is very easy to work with ..... number of grievances is very low ..... Oral B should be complimented on that kind of relationship that they have built up ..... good indicator for me... one indicator of good corporate citizen.... source of information.... What about training period? .... Thomberry/Before the insurance kicks in is approximately one month. Rich Colgan/It varies some but on most items it is a 30 day waiting period .... Kubby/What about training.... Kirkwood money... what is that period of training time for this level of employee? ..... Colgan/That is like a two year period that is covered ......may be eligible for the assistance. Nov/Does that make an assumption that you may not hire everybody all at once? Colgan/There is various levels of training that we take people through .....ongoing.... very conservatively it will be over a two year period. Vanderhoef/...loss of jobs.... How many ofyour present workers will be re-trah~ed... new product line is put in? Colgan/We would look internally first for the new positions being added.... People already in the plant wotild move to the new positions being created .....skilled folks move over... Hire new employees and replace the ones that move over. Vanderhoef/ Colgan/There would be training on any new equipment .... Thomberry/Karen, the insurance is effective two calendar months after date of hire ..... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa Cily council meeting of November 4, 1996. WS110496 November 4, 1996 Special Council Work Session Page 11 Norton/How are the numbers of the forgivable grant from the City? ... How are those numbers arrived at? Franklin/The CEBA grant is based upon the number ofjobs...varies with how many jobs are going to be created. We kind of have to make a judgment call on the local contribution ..... State... look at what the local contribution is.... varies ..... It is a guess because we don't know what else is before the state... Important point is they want to see some significant local contribution to all of these projects. Kubby/... Steve... I thought MidAmerican .... Arkins/They decided to grant them savings ha their rates instead .... Kubby/Does this come from General Fund? Arkins/Yes, it will be a General Fund contribution from our reserve .....contingency reserve. Thomberry/ Kubby/... comparing average wage per sector... Is there a way for us to have two charts... so we really can compare... favorable comparison .... Franklin/The information we get to get the average wage by category is information that the state collects and includes all of those things. David Schoon/In terms ofstate information, no. In fact, we worked backwards. We get an aggregate number for all employees in one sector and we have to work back to calculate an average hourly wage ..... State wants just the basic wage rate.... I would try to keep the number of wage figures that we are asking for to a minimum. Kubby/ Schoon/Maybe if there is a shift differential, what that percentage is- Kubby/It would be helpful. Thomberry/Are you saying you want what the company is taxed on? .....wages, bonuses, freebies, etc.... add all those in as compensation package. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of. November 4, 1996. WS110496 November 4, 1996 Special Council Work Session Page 12 Kubby/What we have in our guidelines is a wage rate that includes certain things and not other thing~ and ill want to try to look at our guidelines .....being able to compare comparable information .... Thomberry/ Norton/ Kubby/ Thomberry/.Compensation is not take home pay. You are not basing it on that, are you? Kubby/I want to be able to compare apples and apples. Whatever we get from the company, I would like to be able to compare that with what our guidelines are Thornberry/Are you talking about total compensation to the employee? Kubby/Not in this specific point that I am saying ..... Norton/Salary, bonus and so forth ...... Nov/We will have another chance at this issue later today .....We do have to break at 6:30 ..... Arkins/It is necessary to have the Oral B people remain for your 7:00 PM meeting? Nov/No .....Thank you. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 4, 1996. WS110496 November 4, 1996 Special Council Work Session Page 13 TrafficCalmin~ 96-131 Sl Jeff Davidson/When Rick and I were talking .....We thought the very first thing .....This whole issue comes under the larger heading of traffic safety in residential areas .... main thrust ....to address that specific issue..... With our neighborhood associations .....Public Works projects.... We want to emphasize .....there are a number of things that we are doing.... highlight those for you... to try to manage traffic in residential areas and the traffic calming item that we are going to talk about to date .....be part of that package of what we are trying to do .....Three E's of traffic safety .....engineering...designed right... have to have the enforcement by the Police Department... Have to have education of the people, motorists... The traffic calming can be part of that if you want it to.... other things to bring to you... The specific issue of traffic calming is something that we have been tossing around ..... neighborhood associations.... Trying to get ourselves to a point... propose doing in Iowa City... We are not able to find a lot of cold weather climate cities that have done this kind of things... We have found a few now... Engineering standards .... concerns about snow melt... making sure you have adequate drainage on the street... How you site these things along a street ..... Recently at a training course... excellent presentation.... advocate of traffic calming. We will be glad to go into any of the information you have on page 2 of the memo as much as you like... Page 3 is establishing a program for Iowa City... interest of Penny Bryn neighborhood.... traffic calms... are other things that can be done... Everyone of these has been done in the City of Milwaukee.... This is not just pie in sky stuff.... examples out on the street.... Proposed programs is predicated on what we found out from the other cities... subject to change.... Point to begin at... There are a set of steps that Rick and I feel are important. There needs to be some assessment of whether or not it is appropriate to install traffic calming measures · ..safely... traffic analysis by city staff... Ve~ pervasive types of improvements ..... We did feel there needs to be some element of does the neighborhood want this ..... Is it something the neighborhood wants and I think we are going to need to go into to this with our eyes wide open. It is going to generate some controversy... may not be a complete consensus within the neighborhood of doing this... give a majority of the folks... would need to approve it before we go ahead ..... Nov/It was my understanding that the Penny Bryn neighborhood had already approved this. Can we start with Teg Drive and do a couple of experiments that way? Davidson/It is my understanding there has not been a survey done. Is that right, this year, Sally? ..... Nothing formal ..... There is a great deal of interest in the neighborhood in doing something ..... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 4, 1996. WSl10496 November 4, 1996 Special Council Work Session Page 14 Kubby/I thought that this council had akeady dkected staff to come up with a traffic calming plan for Teg Drive. I feel like that commitment has already been made ..... We have already given direction to staff to move forward .... Davidson/Certainly ifa majority of council wishes to instruct staff to develop a system of speed Humps along Teg Drive, that is your prerogative and we will do that. Kubby/I guess'l thought we had already done that, though. Vanderhoef/, Lehman/We have been told.. speed humps may not be safe.... Even though we have certainly instructed staff we are interested in traffic calming devices, I don't think speed humps were really ever considered by council .... Kubby/I thought that we directed staff to figure out what traffic calming was best for that neighborhood .... Nov/The neighborhood association has suggested more than one plan .....want us to try is speed humps .... Norton/... Is the question now to try and find 70% that are in favor of it? Kubby/If we approve that number. Vanderhoef/..If we are going to have a policy of compliance.... we should start it with the first one .... Kubby/I do want to back track a little and find that record. Because if we did, indeed, direct staff to come up with a traffic calming plan for Teg Drive and it wasn't done, I guess I want to know that. Norton/I think. they were exploring the ¢~ncept .... Vanderhoef/ Atkins/Can we settle traffic calming is okay with the council, that it something you wish us to pursue.... throughout the community? Nov/Yes. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 4, 1996. WS110496 November 4, 1996 Special Council Work Session Page 15 Arkins/Is this proposed evaluation criteria generally acceptable to you as a means by which to arrive at a decision making by a neighborhood? Norton/We can go that way... Arkins/I am trying to get the policy in place... wish us to procoed with Teg Drive.... We can proceed with that. I want you to understand that this policy is universal now... All of this. Council/(All talking). Arkins/I would like to get the policy settled now. Kubby/ ....I am not understanding why Penny Bryn.... I thought that work should have been percolating already. Arkins/I didn't understand it that way. I thought we were suppose to do a universal policy throughout the city. Thomberry/There is more than one solution ..... There are different things that can be done to calm traffic... I remember a conversation about these speed humps... What does a speed hump cost? Fosse/I don't have that. Thomberry/... If they decide they didn't like that speed hump, can you take that out easily? Fosse/Depends on how it is constructed ......asphalt. Nov/...$425 a hump .... Fosse/That seems very inexpensive to me. CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 96-131 SIDE 1 Vanderhoef/That you gave us a different figure than that ..... Once they got over the speed hump then they accelerate.... When you are talking about a through street... 5-6 on a street area...considerable dollars. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 4, 1996. WS 110496 November 4, 1996 Special Council Work Session Page 16 Kubby/Maybe we can go through the criteria. Norton/Is that 25% of the residents? .....What would that cover besides Teg itself?. Davidson/The neighborhood group would presumably make a proposal to us ..... an area is where they wanted the traffic calming devices installed... That would then establish the area where the 25% would be needed. Norton/ Davidson/According to this, it would only be the street that would require the 25% initially to get the process started. Norton/Even people on the comer7 .... Davidson/If they had frontage... we would include them. Nov/Says here duplexes and family dwellings .... Norton/What about multi-plexes? Davidson/This comes out of the research that we have done .....excluded because lypically the concerns about residential area traffic come from the dwelling units that are lower density type of units. Kubby/ Thornbeny/...I still think 25% is too low. Nov/25% asks for the study .... Norton/25% of what? .... Council/(All talking). Fosse/ Davidson/Lakeside Drive... Grantwood neighborhood folks... mix of multi-family dwellings, s.f. dwellings... school issues.... we were thinking in that case... getting 25%... difficult for the neighborhood association to do that. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 4, 1996. WS110496 November 4, 1996 Special Council Work Session Page 17 Thomberry/ Davidson/ Kubby/How do we allow people who live in multi-family buildings to participate in this process, to be included? ..... Their level of citizenship is somehow different. Thomberry/ Kubby/ Davidson/That provision came fi'om Appleton, Wisconsin.... requests for spell humps came from traffic caused by apartment buildings and churches ..... They were excluded... caus~ of the problem.... That is why we put that in there. Nov/On an ordinary residential street without apartment buildings, would you exceed 500 cars per day? .... Davidson/On a local residential street... where we are exceeding 500 vehicles a day.. start scrutinizing.. level of traffic getting too high .... Nov/ Davidson/You almost have to have some kind of multi-dwelling on that street in order to · get that traffic count. Davidson/...cut through traffic. Kubby/Northside... s.f. dwellings... multi-family complexes.... exclude them from the process .... Davidson/Take that provision out. Kubby/It can be a problem for neighborhood associations. Nov/What if you got 25%?.... What would happen if you said 25% of all dwellings rather than 25% of just a particular style? Kubby/ Thomberry/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 4, 1996. WS110496 November 4, 1996 Special Council Work Session Page 18 Kubby/What other thing in this town do we require 70%? ..... Thornberry/We are still on #1 .....At least we can do is get to #2. Kubby/Is there anybody who would like to change # 1 ? Nov/No. Lehman/I don't have a problem with it. Council/(All talking). Davidson/#2.... if there is an improper traffic volume on a collector street, then you should try and calm it. Nov/#3. Baker/Can we back up,... I just caught the tail end on last conversation... on #1... You all .have a problem with changing that to just 25% of the residents? Kubby/It makes it less onerous .... Baker/I just wondered what the deal was- Thomberry/As opposed to apartment buildings. Baker/ Norton/ Thomberry/Read #?. Kubby/ Davidson///3 uses our design levels for local streets and residential streets... need to scrutinize ..... Example .... Church Street .... Thomberry/On an average day .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 4, 1996. WS 110496 November 4, 1996 Special Council Work Session Page 19 Davidson/We take a count on an average day .... bench mark.... Or we put a tube down and count it for a week and take an average. g4 similarly, that is looking at out design standards... make an assessment .... #5 is some of the research does show there are concerns with transit vehicles, emersency vehicles... set their input. g6 is then the traffic study... done by assisting staff and look at things... volume... accident records... to make an assessment that it is reasonable and safe to do something like this. #7 ....comes out of the research that we have done in other communities.... 70% number can be whatever you want to make it. Kubby/I would feel more comfortable with 60% ..... Thomberry/I have no problem with 60. Lehman/I have no problem with 60. Nov/Are we still talking about s.f. and duplex? ..... Lehman/S.f. and duplex. Davidson/S.f. and duplex .... Nov/... apartments .... Norton/As residences. Davidson/They could be included... provision to account for them.... notify them... get their input and report that to you before you made that decision or not .... Thomberry/On a residential house... one vote... duplex gets two votes? Davidson/Each unit would get a vote. Thol'nberry/You could make a multi-unit unit get maybe three votes ..... Nov/16 units, 16 residences... includes all 16. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 4, 1996. WSl10496 November 4, 1996 Special Council Work Session Page 20 Thomberry/ ....let them take in their apartment building.. give them three votes. Baker/ Davidson] Norton/Apartments may be ihe ones that are creating the problem and therefore they tend to kind of override.... vote down any effort to put in speed humps.... may be some way to get their input into this matter.... residence... s.f.. and duplexes.... I don't think you would ever get 70% of everybody. That is really unheard of. .... you will never make it. It has got to be some percentage return and then a percentage of that ..... Thomberry/ Nov/... He is right about the idea of not requiting 70% because we don't even get that much return. Davidson/We deliberately didn't put in a provision like Toledo, at least 50% had to respond. If we get two people responding and both of them say yes, that is your 70%... In all of our traffic engineering questionnaires that we send out, it is simply whoever returns them. Norton/I would make it explicit about that. Davidson/ Nov/70% of responders rather than 70% of residences. Norton/Within X weeks .... Davidson/ Vanderhoeff We could spend a lot of money with just a handful of people responding. I am not comfortable with that at all ..... Davidson/ Vanderhoeff If a neighborhood reads this as a policy .... This represents ouly a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 4, 1996. WS110496 November 4, 1996 Special Council Work Session Page 21 Nov/We really have to convene this meeting .....mn through it a second time. Davidson/70%...60%. Norton/I still need to know ..... Thomberry/60% of respondents. Kubby/....need an item #8 that says if there is low respondents, that might be justification for council saying no so that is clear up f~ont ..... Norton/ Adjourned: 6:35 PM This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of November 4, 1996. W$110496