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February 13, 1995 . Council Work Session
6:35 PM
Council4 Borow, Kubby, Lehman, Nov, Pigott, Throg (6:40 PM).
Absent: Baker.
staff: Arkins, Helling, Woito,
Davidson, Schl~adeke, Moreno,
Fosse, Boothroy, Milkman..
Karr, Franklin, Miklo, Sohoon,
Schoenfelder, 0'Neil, McCahon,
Tapes: 95-25, Side 2; 95-26, all; 95-27, all.
Review Zoning Matters
ITEM NO. 5a.
95-25 S2
Consider setting a public hearing for February 28,
1995, on an ordinance conditionally amending the
use regulations of approximately 13.09 acres
located at 655 Meadow Street from RM-12, Low
Density Multi-Family Residential, and RS-5, Low
Density Single-Family Residential, to RS-8, Medium
Density Single-Family Residential. (REZ94-0020)
Miklo/ Both P/Z and staff recommend approval ....
Horow/ Any questions for Bob on this item...?
ITEM NO. 5b. Consider setting a public hearing for February 28,
1995, on an ordinance amending the Conditional
Zoning Agreement for 1069 Highway I (Westport
Plaza) to allow an additional freestanding pylon
sign. (REZ95-0002)
Miklo/ The applicant has actually asked that this p.h. be set for
March 7 rather than February 28 as noted on your agenda.
Horow/ So you want us to change that to March 7?
Miklo/ They have another city that they have to attend a p.h. at.
Kubby/
Lehman/ ...long long time (Can't hear).
Miklo/ They submitted the application for the amendment Just
recently to P/Z.
Kubby/
Woito/ They are a aware of the conditional zoning agreement.
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Miklo! Right and this amendment only affects the signage. It
doesn't affect the other conditions on building on the
property.
ITEHNO. 5c.
Public hearing on an ordinance amending the Zoning
Chapter by changing the u~e regulations of 61.96
acres of land located south of Whispering Prairie
Drive from RS-8, Medium Density Single-Family
Residential, to RFBH, Factory Built Housing
Residential. (REZ94-0014)
Miklo/ That is the Lake Calvin property. The applicant has signed
the conditional zoning agreement, the original conditional
zoning agreement ....
Kubby/ The one with the four conditions on it.
Lehman/'
Woito/ Correct, the old one, the version prior to that.
ITE~NO.
Miklo/
Sd. Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Chapter
by changing the use regulations of 61.96 acres of
land located south of Whispering Prairie Drive from
RS-8, Meditun Density Single-Family Residential, to
RFBH, Factory Built Housing Residential. (REZ94-
0014) (First consideration)
~irst reading of that ordinance.
Kubby/ Is there a reason why the second one wasn't signed?
woito/ Yes, I asked you folks two weeks ago if you wanted me to
pursue it and you said no, so-And they wanted to sign one, so
they signed the first one. It will clean it up-
Kubhy/ And people are still in the same place with that?
Horow/ Right.
ITEM NO. $e.
Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance
by changing the use regulations of a 0.32 acre
parcel located at 719 S. Capitol Street from CI-1,
Intensive Commercial, to P, Public. (R~'Z94-0017)
(Second consideration)
Miklo/ Second consideration ....
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ITEM NO. 5f.
Consider an ordinance amending Zoning Chapter
Article N.., Off-street Parking Requirements%
Section 14-6N-lB1 specifying construction ~aterials
for required hard-surface parking areas. (Pass and
adopt)
Miklo! Third reading, pass and adopt of the amendment ....
ITEM NO. 5g.
Consider an ordinance amending Zoning Chapter
Section 14-6E-6C1 to clarify the density
requirement for dwellingunits in the CB-2, Central
Business zone. (Pass andadopt)
Miklo! The third reading, pass and adopt the amendment .....
ITEM NO. $h.
Consider a resolution approving the preliminary
plat of D&L Subdivision, a 6.41 acre, four lot
commercial subdivision located on the south side of
Highway i West, west of Sunset Street.
Miklo/ A resolution approving the preliminary plat of D&L
Subdivision. I have an overhead of that if you would like to
see it .... oh Highway i just to north of Mennards site .... this
subdivision would be the remainder of the property...four
commercial lots...access.
Nov/ Are we likely to face four more signs here?
Miklo/ There is also a conditional zoning agreement...specifying
two signs .... Mennards sign...and second free standing sign
allowed.
Kubby! IS .that detention basin....all of the lots or just for
Mennards?
Miklo/ At this point there is a possibility of adding on to it
(refers to overhead)
Kubby! If that whole easement are to the north is used, would that · be big enough for all of the lots?
Miklo/ According to Public Works review of this, it is.
Nov/ What is this oval kind of thing...?
Miklo/ Temporary.stockpile of fill dirt ....
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Kuhby/ With these conditional zoning agreements, both with !~estport
Plaza and Mennards, if the original sig~, that goes up i~ not
physically capable of adding more signs . ...... whese
responsibility is it ......
Miklo/ Something internally that should be worked out among the
businesses of the shopping center. The original agree~.ent
specifies that there would be two signs and ho~ those sagns
are allocated is up to the individual property ewners to
out.
Throg/ Each of the developments and each of the lots would have to
meet its own parking requirement, wouldn't it.
Miklo/ That's right. We have had some preliminary discussions about
the possibility of shared parking on two of the lots~... they
may approach the Board of Adjustment for a special exception
to allow sharing of spaces.
Throg/ I assume that it is not possible for anybody to walk to any
of these lots from any nearby residential areas.
Miklo/ It would be difficult.
Throg/ We can't do anything about it new but this is a prescription
for disaster to continue to produce this kind of development
...... not very constructive in the long run. It is what
contributes to parking traffic congestion on our roads and so
on ..... We need to be mov].ng away from this.
Horow/ There are people who do walk to Cubs, Walmart and Mennards
now from that area .... very difficult .... it does happen
Miklo/ One of the conditional zoning items on this particular
property was staff review of all developments to insure it was
an integrated development .... look at pedestrian ciroul~vion
within the development itself ..... something we will look. -
Kubby/ Before we leave this. It seems like there hasn't been very
much discussion lately about Lake Calvin. Do we vote on this
tomorrow night?
Horow/ Yes.
Kubby/ So.people will be talking...seems like we haven't had mmch
internal discussion about it. I guess I would like to have
-some ..... warrants some discussion.
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Horow/.I think you can bring that out tomorrow....
Nov/ Have to discuss it after 9.h. anyway....
Kubby/'As long as it happens I don~t care which night.
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Nov/ Read in minutes of P/R...discussing my favorite book ....
this is something that is mailed to every residents by decree
of the Post Office. A,~tually it is mailed to absolutely every
mailing address, not just every resident ..... which means we
are mailing one to the Rec Center, the Civic Center, to the
Senior Center...business... office... Not, to me, a wise way
to be using our money .... ~e should revise our system in
distributing our book ..... So there. I also want us to think
hard on the city and schools cooperation on gym space which
was part of the P/R minutes. I think they can some how ....
Throg/ It didn't seem like there was much of an analysis of that
Wo~to/ They created a committee
Arkins/ (Can't hear).
Nov/ ..~I want some real statistics on how often the school gyms
are used and by whom and why we couldn't do more cooperation.
Atkins/ I will carry that message for you.
2. Throg/ I would like to invite Karin Franklin to a presen~ation
by Charlie H0ke, University of Illinois in Chicago is making
over the Urban Regional Planning Program on Friday...What
Planners Do ...... 1-2 PM.
3. Throg/ Noticed a letter from Brian Witzke about two acres of
Oakland Cemetery .... I don't remember what we decided to do...
Kubhy/ Decided to ask P/R Commission to give some feedback.
Arkins/ (Agenda 3.f.(3) -Letter from Brian J. Witzke regarding
Oakland Cemetery/Hickory Hill Park) They have discussed it.
They have some reservations about using the park. They
directed Terry to get some additional information .... (can't
hear)
Throg/ Also the staff memos about the water and sewer projects.
The are really informative. Wondering what, Steve, is your
expectation in terms of distributing those memos to the people
who are participating.
Arkins/ .... I will distribute them to the press tomorrow...I intend
to mail copies to a lot of folks that we identify in the memo
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Nov/ And the Public Library, too.
Atkins!
5. Pigoft/ Weather alert sirens. In the memo that Chief Pumphrey
sent us...full scale test...silent tests?
Atkins! They did both ......
Kubby/ .... all worked .....
6. Kubby! We got a letter from Nila Haug and I think that she and
Doug can get into something about this .... I talked to Nila
about the possibility of some mediation .... clear communication
.... and go forward ..... There is enough weirdness there that
some intervention has to happen.
Atkihs/ (Can't hear)
Kubby/ So there is a summary memo coming-
7. Kubby/ Anything more about Hawkeye State Bank parking.
Atkins/ No, R. J. hasn't-
Kubby/ Im terms of talking with the Kroeze family about our
sewer route and that it may be something that we want to do
although it will cost the community a lot of money to go
around the golf course. Even if we want to explore that it is
going to cost us some engineering fees and I think that part
of our negotiations with them should be having them pay those
engineering fees .... . I want to bring that up as an idea that
why should the city bear the full cost of the engineering fees
and the $1 million to go around the property.
Atkins/ Yes ..... everything is on the table.
Woito/ Chuck and I just met with Bill Meatdon for over an hour ....
They are still very much eager to settle.
Kubby/ As long as those monetary issues are being discussed.
Woito/ Yes.
Lehman/ (Can't hear).
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Woito/ And you can't talked to the Kroeze's without their attorney
or vice versa. So, they are a pair.
Kubby/ I am not sure if the silurian study is part of the
Engineering Division projects. I talked to Ed Moreno and he
was thinking it would be a topic under that one and I believe
he plans to be here later. I want to talk about that a little.
Woito/ The Geological Survey..Isn't Chuck going to be here for
that?
Kubby/ Okay, so I'll wait.
10. Atkins/ Before you go to Council Time, I will need th~ meeting
oh the 20th.
Horow/ We have a meeting Monday, 20th at 6:30 and Tuesday, 21st.
There is a Formal Speciat- Meeting on 21st at 6:30. I will
announce that tomorrow .....
Lehman/ (Can't hear).
Kubby/ So we are doing both nights budget but the 21st is
considered a formal ....
Arkins/
11. Nov/ We had a couple of memos in there.
fees for water. Did you see...Portland,
..,. If you don't have it, Marian has
one was on connection
Oregon fees that I had
it, Steve has it....
12. Nov/ Whatever happened to the pigeon coops?
Woito/ It is in-They haven't gotten there yet but they are suppose
to be.mediating.
Nov/ So it has not been settled.
Woito/ Correct, it has not been settled. It is still in the process
..... On the pigeon coop there is no satisfactory resolution
but they are at least willing to talk.
Nov{
Woito/ .I Just meant to update you on where it was.
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Appointments 9§-2§ S2
Animal'Control Advisory - Re-advertise
Mayorts Youth Employment Board - Terrence Neuzil & David Jacoby
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Near
Jeff
south Side Design Plan 95-25 S2
Davidson/ About a week ago you got a memo from David and
myself sort of updating you. We sent the RFPs out and have had
quite a bit of contact .... 6-8 proposals...good mix ....
interest is out there ..... one of the things we would like to
dO..ois get the Advisory Committee formed ..... 11 person
committee .... Mayor and I agreed that we should put the item on
the agenda to make sure .... comfortable with the Advisory
committee ....
Horow/ I made the suggestion the Iowa City Johnson County Arts
Council...that they be involved in this ....
Davidson/ Add them or take somebody off?
Horow/ I was trying to remember why we put EA on there ....
Throg/ We didntt, did we?
Dgvidson/ Real briefly at the work session .....
Horow/ ...Arts Council more appropriate-
Pigott/ They (EA) have an urban Design Committee ....
Throg/ Too separate types of activity ..... group
more concerned about natural environmental
area ......
like EA would be
features of the
Nov/ Why .....
Throg/ Jim did request specifically to have a student on there and
we...University of Iowa...owns property down there that they
are considering. redeveloping .... appropriate .... are
considering redeveloping it.
Nov/ Why the School District?
Davidson/ We came upwith the school district because we felt that
their property that they own there was a substantial piece of
property and ¢ould..turn into something else .....
Horow/ Suggest the University of Iowa...that we put Student Senate
Throg/ The idea came out of conversation with John Lohman...he was
going to suggest a person .... will be going out of 6ffice in
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two months .... Idea was a lot of students live in apartment
buildings.
Kubby/ ....
Horow/'The Student Senate would feel an ownership in being involved
Nov/
Kubby/
Horow/.
Nov/ Could also have among the neighborhood tenants a University
student .....
Throg/.'..I know when I mentioned stud~nts...some representation of
the body of students that ~ive in the apartments in the area
of the Near South Side.
DavidsEn/ Let us contact John a~d
mind.
Kubby/ The~e. is no one here that
someone.....
he might have a good person in
I would like to X off..~so add
Davids~n/ So, add an Arts ~ouncil repgesentative.
Nov/
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Whispering Meadows Public Housing Development 95-25 S2
Doug BOothroy/ I am asking you to set a p.h. for the 21st of
February to consider the bids and specifications. We have been
working on those doc,~ments for quite some time. We have them
here for you tonight. You looked at the preliminary designs
back in June '94. We really haven't changed the designs that
much .... Before I bring those up...this has been over a
year.~ coming...did approve the site location back in '93.
The offer to purchase the land was executed in January of '94
and the reason...taken so long...the subdivision improvements
including the utilities were not-finally installed until late
December and it was not possible to provide the necessary
legal. paperwork to HUD assuring them that the utilities were
in place ..... We have received today approval of our design
plus the proposal which means that within a week we should get
our ACC which is our Contributions Contract signed and we will
be able to move forward buying the land ..... Jim and Ilene are
here .... show elevations...answer any questions about the
bids .... Plans will be available February 22 for people to pick
.up...open bidding process...a competitive bidding process ....
due back in the City Clerks Office March 21...we hope that we
'get some bids ..... 1,000 sq. ft. house...well designed by HUD
specifications..ospec book that is well over 200 pages ....
Nov/ Are these' all duplexed and zero lot lined style?
Boothroy/ No, they are mostly s.f. detached with some zero lot
line.
Kubby/ °..possible with a component home strategy.
Boothroy/ Yes.
Throg/ There weren't any notable changes?
Jim Schoenfelder/ No. There are basically eight different models
Boothroy/ Added garages .... also provides...extra depth garages for
storage...
Schoenfelder/ Variety of elevations ..... variety of looks...
Kubby/ People from the neighborhood .... make sure they can see them
Boothroy/ ...all about the same size ....
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Nov/ Just so they don't look...all the same ....
Booth~oy/ Here is a little bit different roof .... some of the zero
lot line are detached...
Schoen~elder/ Made so they can be together or detached ....
Boothroy/
Kubby/ Two bedrooms?
Boothroy/ Three and four.
Schoenf91der/ Fours are 1,123...'.
NOV/ Small rooms ....
Schoenfelder/ .... Two that. are adaptive...others are.accessibie
Throg/ Conversation we had about making interiors of the homes
large.enough to be adaptive...
Schoenfelder/ .... certain five foot turn around areas ....
Booth~oy/ Dealing with small sq. footages ....
Kubby/
Horow/ Great...
Nov/ I have a question about you do a zero lot line with detached
house. How much space...
Boothroy/ It will have a five foot side yard on one side and a
larger side yard. It just won't be on the lot line .... All
have medal siding with medal flat windows ....
Schoenfelder/ They all exceed the minimum energy cod~ .... 7'of them
are solar-sun tempered space .... by orientation...
Boothroy/ ...clients will benefit ....
Kubby/
Boothroy/ Block grant also gave us some money, $30,000, for some
landscaping ....
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Horow! Thank you very muoh.
Boothroy/...this is on the consent calendar for tomorrow night ....
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CEBA/Industrial Park Criteria 95-25 S2
David Schoon/ You have a memo for you ....
Arkins/ We tried to put together a memo that directs general
questions about Industrial Park... identifies what you need
for a policy discussion about it .... Two separate issues ....
Horow/ Helpful if we addressed the bottom line for this .... question
of whether or not we have a goal to assure an adequate amount
of land zoned general industrial ..... move on that because it
tells me that we then look at the specifications of that
particular zone ....
Kubby/ The difference may be whether there is public moneys
involved .... Might be some things we want to change in the
code so that wherever there is industrial zoned land that is
privately developed at these values ..... in our
community...another set of criteria if there is public moneys
involved.
Horow/ I saw that as another layer over the general need ....
Throg/ I think it would be helpful to have more industrial land for
good quality industrial jobs.
Lehman/ I agree.
Kubby/ I thinkwe are all nodding.
Horow/ Okay, we have got that. Let's move on to the next one
because that to me ..... county Board of Supervisors .... always
very helpful what is allowed in the zone .....
Throg/ At this point I think I want to diverge. And I think...key
point...city funding involved to fill or promote the use of
industrial park...if the substantial amount of city money
would be involved then...criteria come into play .... get them
out on the table. One is...The industrial development that we
promote needs to be sustainable and I mean that both in terms
of sustainable to the local eco-system and to the local
economy. The second general criteria for me would be the
businesses that are attracted there or that we seek to attract
there provide good quality Jobs and good benefits packaged for
employees. So the first criteria for me m~ans that at least
three things: 1-Supporting businesses that would help local
businesses and residence use non-renewable natural resources
more efficiently. Energy being the prime example .... 2- That
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we encourage-support businesses that would produce goods and
services that are needed by local businesses or used as
imports by local businesses. 3-We would support businesses
that would treat waste as an input .to some other
business .... ~ry to minimize waste production as ah input
somewhere else.
Horow/ I kind of enjoy looking at it this way ..... get the feeling
from this council...that encourages rather than prohibits
2 .... in a positive way ..... Really is a dilemma .... seen.as a
restriction and a negative .... sensitive about the language
that gives a feeling that this council is encouraging and not
restricting .... Let's detail it a little bit more. how would
you do this.
Kubby/ I have had an idea .....
Throg/ That is micro managing, Sue, you are asking me-
Horow/ Theoretical discussion.
Kubby/'I think has done a really good job .... sustainable ..... I sent
an article around .... locality...sustainability .... I have
talked a few times about saying what are characteristics of
businesses that we want to be here. See what that list of
characteristics are, go out into the market place of
organizations that are ~xpanding...relocate...local businesses
or people from the outside who meet that picture .... Go out
and approach those people... we want you to come here ...this
is what we have to offer you ..... that meet that vision .... If
we said this is our vision ..... Exciting shift for ICAD.
Atkins/ I think we have prepared them for that .... conversations
with ICAD staffo..we are likely to come up with some sort of
a policy position for an industrial land...type of industry
...As you recruit we expect these to be.... the guiding
principles .... What our expectations are ....
Kubby/ . .... they go to area shows or business fairs...they are
kind of there...
Atkins/'I think they have to change that strategy ..... here is what
we would like to see you do .... I expect you to research the
types of'industries that are identified in this policy... you
make the contacts .... It is a different tactic they have not
undertaken in the past ..... I thinkwhat I am hearing from you
all...we want you to isolate in on certain select industries
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Nov/
Arkins/ I. don't think they do the serious recruiting that I hear
what.you are saying..~.
Horow/ ...2It really does take time..%
Pigott~ I was just looking at Jim's list of what he meant by
sustainability..... none 'of these criteria limits 'their
search. It gives them sort of a guideline
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Nho are - the suppliers .... goods used .by local
businesses. J.which of these were really particular good in
using renewable resources .... For those reasons I like Jim's
categorization to sust~inabie...; guiding.
Nov/
Pigott/ There must be those sorts of companies out there .... draw up
a list and you go actively recruiting ..... '
Lehmah/Are we looking at two categories: One set of criteria if we
are using public moneys and another set of criteria is we are
not.
Horow/.
Leb/nan/ Without public moneys-
Horow/ ;~at do you do with the developer is not into creating a
business. Rather creating the climate and the infrastructure
for that business ..... person who wants to purchase the land
..'..build a spec buildi~g....
Kubby/ Public moneys...inf~astructure 0F tax abatement...CEB~..~.
Horow/
Lehman/ Not so sure there couldn't be an intermediate level .....
Much less than what we are talking about with public moneys
Kubby/ For me the. issue when public money is involved..~whether it
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is money for infrastructure...or tax abatement or whether it
is a signature on a CEBA grant...all the same .... It is the
presence of absence of public dollars ....
Lehman/ There is a certain value of having the building already
built .....
Kubby/
Lehman/ So there might be some minimal incentive on the part of the
city to see a developer put up a spec building ..... There
might be a certain incentive that we offer...for building this
building ..... The city might give him some incentive to do it.
Nov/ .....
Horow/-I was considering that even putting in that road and sewer
line would be...public moneys .... would be .... I would like
the city to cooperate with me on that ....
Lehman/ Maybe we can give you a tax abatement until you rent it ....
Horow/ At least I want your road and sewer ....
Kubby/ If you do that the business that goes in has to meet the
criteFia ....
Lehman/ That is giving too much.''
Nov/
Schoon/ The question...trying to separate the two questions:
industrial park criteria and public financial assistance
c~iteria. Can the council look at providing additional
industrial park land in the community. To have it available in
'terms of a developer ..... To have land that is ready that when
someone comes to town that it is ready for them and they can
purchase the land...A goal then is to have the cost of the
land and those infrastructure improvements paid for .... we are
Just making it available and hoping to recoup the cost of
making it available.
Kubby/ If the true costs of all the infrastructure is included in
the price of the land then that might sound interesting to
me...My experience is we buy land expensively and we sell it
cheaply...oI don't know how we can guarantee that those true
costs are going to be in there .....
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Nov/ ...Do we want to rent the land and include the tap on fees in
the rent?
Atkins/ You have to say that is a for~ of public assistance writing
down that land. I don't think there is any doubt...write down
the value of that land .... variety of goals that get figured
into in making that decision ....
Schoon/ ...public financial assistance criteria comes into
criteria ....
Kubby/ ...long -term returns...that is the benefit to the
communbty....in exchange for that I expect something more from
the entities.that move into that position in the industrial
park.
Horow/ What do we think about in terms of the city'and the county
going together...?
Arkins/ One of the questions we have for you is what is the
counties role in this ..... What I have heard the county say is
this industrial zoning is a good idea, go get them city.
Kubby/ .... the only answer was we will supply the ideas ....
Horow/' The very very beginning...they have not...they have
prolonged the process of zoning so we all get a chance to
discuss this...Their Zoning Commission could zip right now and
for residential ....
Nov/ The'current zone is residential...the developer can ask for a
change to industrial...and allow a change to industrial ....
Atkins/ I would ask Karin is that reasonable to expect that land
wo~ld be built residentially?
Franklin/ It could be but we have plat approval and that is a very
heavy hammer to have. We have to sign just as well as the
county does..... The only thing...rezone it to RFBH and do a
mobile home park and then w~ wouldn't have review of the park.
We would have review and comment on the rezoning for all that
is worth....
Nov/ If we had plat review...could not say-we don't want this to be
a residential plat.
Franklin/ I don't know. We have always taken the position that once
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it is zoned there are certain rights on that property...~..
Nov/ Request here to change to residential.
Frankl!n/'It is currently residential. The req~/est was to change it
to commercial to put in a convenience store....two different
commercial zoning requests. County has indicated .that they
would support...industrial zoning there and would like to see
that zoned industrially ..... not clear...county or within the
city...want it to occur within the ctty with municipal sewer
and water as opposed to some kind of septic systems.
Atkins/ Leap...'discussing what we will do if they don't. They have
said they want to be a partner in it .... fit it into our
policy~ take it back to them to see what they have to say.
Kubby/ .... zoning before we are finished so it is saved for that
purpose.
Atkins/ That may be just the action you go through and frame this
policy in some very general terms... one of the things that you
have said is you want industrial land. I would have no trouble
going back to the county ~mmediately and saying we wodld like
this rezoned industrial, here is where we are with this
policy, you want to be a player in the game, we need you to
fezone the thing.
Franklin/ Yes. You also could talk with property owners in this
area defined as future industrial expansion and see if they
are amenable at this point to voluntary annexation and you
zone it and we can do an ID until the infrastructure is in
place.
Kubby/ If we are going ahead with these discussions...in the city
and the city providing $40,000 per acre infrastructure
investment, that we have to .have this discussion about
criteria before we start talking .... .
Franklin/ ...one approach that you could take is that if there is
no investment of public funds....whatever is in the zone is
what will prevail .... there is a scenario in which you could
annex and zone and not invest any public money in it until it
met your schedule of'capital improvements .....
Kubby/ As long as people understand...that if there is any public
investment ..... if you meet this criteria you get tax
abatement .... I thought it was for industrial as well.... I
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want to add tax abatement...I am okay on not settling on
criteria.tonight because it is too big to do in one night. But
those are-
Horow/
Kubby/ Do we have any legal basis if there are no publlo moneys
involve to say only certain kindsof businesses can come ...?
Atkins/ Probably not ....
Nov/ Could say we prefer to-encourage this kind of business or that
and we can go out and assist that.
Kubby/ We can still give direction to'ICAD and the Chamber...about
what we want to see ....
Atkins/ One of the early decisions would be to get to th~ county to
get it zoned industrial as soon as possible.
Franklin/ 'I think the position the county has ..... some members of
the Board of Supervisors have taken is that they Want to work
out the zoning with the property owner and I know there is a
reluctance on the part of one of the property owners to
develop it industrial in the city.
Arkins/ If we.can get both of the propssties rezoned industrial
that furthers our case even mo~e ..... see what we can work out
with them .... Changes the character ....
Kubby/ Question...either 'or both...interested in being zoned
industrial if there is infrastructure ...by city or county..
Arkins/ One of the property owners has that agenda. One of the
other propert? owners wants to sell the land....
Franklin/
Atkins/ One wants to sale land. and prefers it to be converted...
industrial ....
Kubby/ .... they need to know about'the criteria on the front end
Arkins/ One of the property owners I don't think is even going to
be concerned about criteria. They want to sell land.
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Horow/ Dilemma...participatory action of these criteria that
people...are a little bit leery of this... If w9 achieve the
underlying' industrial zone, that is helpful .... .encourage
rather than inhibit this owner in terms of his being
interested in the zone.'
Nov/ Also somebody there who said they Wanted a small part of it to
be commercial. Is there any objection to having some part of
it being commercial a%ong the highway.
Atkins/'Yes.
Franklin/ I think we have to think v~ry carefully about that and
circumscribe what that Commercial development would be. There
may be some possibility there...drainage ditch that comes
right through it...Talked about putting some commercial right
there along Scott Blvd. between the drainage ditch and the
sidewalk ..... So I think there are some things .... may be some
advantages to having some commercial to serve the industrial
development ....
Throg/ ...legal requirement...DNR related to the sewage treatment
plant having to do with the Snyder Creek water shed...I don't
know the details.
Atkins/ I-think Rick knows about that...obligation...
Rick Fosse/-The DNR's specific concern was the wetlands...between
Bon Aire and Waste Water Treatment Facility ..... (refers to
map)
Throg/ The ultimate drainage pattern might alter the wetlands
downstream .... I am sure Sandy would bring that up if he were
here.
NOV/ ...o
Kubby/'
Horow/ In terms of how this is presented, the county would have the
same Situation to deal with the DNR that the city would.
Fosse/ The county'received a grant from the EPA and that is where
that obligation came from..... they were concerned at the time
primarily about the impacts of development right in the
immediate area thou,Fh .... didn't talk about far away things ....
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Throg/
Horow/ I want the perception of the city not to be one that we keep
piling on specifications on this ...... this would -happen
whether it Was in the city or the county...
Kubby/ ...criteria...opens up exciting possibilities of a different
way of doing business.
Horow/
Kubby/ Let's figure out what these are and lets sell them that way
Throg/ ...... I guess I am wondering whether we might ask staff to
put a short concept paper together that would attempt to put
some flesh on the- bones of the three specifics about
sustainable economy that I suggested right at the stars of
thig discussion .... More like the first one is help local
businesses use non-renewable natural resources more
efficiently ...... think of a firm that manufactured
inefficient .devices .... Then another is produce goods and
'seN. vices needed by local businesses. What are major inputs to
local businesses right. now that are currently being heavily
imported from outside the community. Is there some way of
producing some of those imports here.
Horow/ Then the last one was the waste like the'plastic bottling
company. I think that would be helpful...I need to give ideas
in terms of what the city is looking for for the industrial
park.
Pigott/ Jim...the other was good quality jobs and good benefits
.... CEBA rules have changed .... we ought to think about:that
too. What kind of wage rates are we looking for and promote
that ..... the kind of benefits we want to see businesses
provide as well ......
Throg/ Connects to affordable housing, too.
Kubby/ In terms of being specific in some of the q%%esti0ns that Sue
and I put together...specifics, some real specifics ..... from
the specifics we become more broad .... We have to start the
conversation somewhere.
Horow/ ...take a look at them and eliminate those or.modify them or
meld them together ....
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Kubby! For me...evenings where we Just talk about one topic,'we get
lots of really great work done and this is a big enough thing
that...we need a night where this is what'we talk about and
maybe that is in April...May.
Atkins/ ~f you would like to go through those, mark them up, send
them back to us, we will collect your thoughts .... and prepare
something that comes from that. David has finished the final
final final draft of the Economic Development Policy that you
had sent us back to do. That might be the way of incorporating
a lot of these issues into that one evening of discussion. I
assume this is the kind of thing you probably wantto do right
away...send them back in a week .... scribble on it .... You pick
the date. We were going to send the economic development
policy out .... If you could do that...You also want us to talk
to the county about the zoning, preserving the land and doing
some of the more sort of routine f~ctions while this is
underway so we are not losing any time° And when they ask
about criteria I will simply say it is in the process of being
developed. And there are two property owners ....
Hor~w/.Are you going to be around spring break, Ernie. .... (March)
20th.
Atkins! Our end, I am sure, we can have finished by that time ....
Sohoon/ So you are sending comments'on the criteria. Does this
~nclude what is coming back to them on the 20th include the
short concept paper on sustainable.
Atkins/ Yes, you want to write up something such as that, yeah;
These are. willing to be drafts because you want to work these
things through anyway.
S~hoon/ one other question, the term investment of public funds.
Does that mean if the city purchases...land for an industrial
park, is that considered ~n investment of public funds.
Pigott/ Absolutely.
Schoon/ If we tried to recoup the cost of the project.
Kubby/ If total true costs are gotten back I would say no ....
Atk~ns/ I hear what you have to say.
Schoon/ ...
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Horow/ Okay.
Atkins/ When yo~ get the criteria
yourself you are going to do.
Horow~ Right.
back to us. What did you tell
One week? End of February.
Atkins/ Two weeks.
Nov/ One of the interesting criteria in the CEBArules is you have
to meet a certain wage level'but they include all wages except
agriculture...government and for Iowa City government is a bog
part of it. For Johnson County particularly.
Horow/ Anythin~ eise .... March 20, 6:30 PM ...... tentative ....
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CDBG ~1ood Money 95-26 Sl
Horow/ CDBG Flood Money, Marianne.
Milkman/ (Heartland Candles) I think I can tell you the first thing
about it is the current facility on the south end of town is
not in the city limits. It is off the Isaac Walton Road and it
is just outside this ....
Arkins/ We just got this this afternoon.
Milkman/ Mike Richards is in Madison today and he called me .....
actual address...it is not ....
In the memo we gave you four basic alternatives. The first one
is th~ purchase of the Showers Estate...flood plain land on
the Showers Estate. I brought along the map. (Refers to map)
...... We need this green part for the sewer .... blue part in
here is flood plain and that is the part we are talking about
acquiring with flood moneys .....
Throg/ ...we haven't discussed it for about six months...
Woito/ The preliminary appraisal is in.
Milkman/ We have notified all the tenants and owners down there
.... that the city is working;..owner wished to sell the land
and the city is interested in possibly buying it. We have had
the land appraised .... properties on it appraised .... folks own
the property that they live in but lease the land .... nothing
has been purchased .... This will definitely be purchased ....
talking about the blue part (refers to map).
Nov/ All. of it is flood plain.
Milkman/ No. (Refers to map).
Throg/
Milkman/ ..real guess what demolition and clean up will co~t...when
we buy flood plain land we have to clean it up. We have to
take out the '
infrastructure ....
Nov/ Is there a need to have all the clean up done by August...?
Milkman/ We need to purchase, we need to have...cost of clean
up...agreements with all the tenants for...relocate. They do
not have to relocate by then .... The people who love down
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there,,,the volunteer part is the owner of the whole land who
wants to sell it,
Milkman/ ,,,we agree when we buy the property that we are going to
clear it and live it as open space ....
Kubby/ ....
Milkman/ We can sit on the money for a number of years, seven,
but...it has to be committed...
Nov/
Milkman/ A9reement would have to be signed, The~e would have to be
a dollar figure on it,-
Kubby/ .Conceptually,,,
Pigott/ Seems like a really complicated process,,,
Atkins/ Easiest is clearly buying unimproved flood plain land and
the second is to finance the capital projects,,,storm
related,,, we can make those happen the fastest way .....
Nov/
Throg/ To take a different point of few,,,hard for me to picture a
more consistent use of flood moneys'than helping people move
out of Showers Estates .....
Nov/ Place to put them can be delayed,,,agreement signed by August,
Throg/ .... how many?
Milkman/ 15,
Throg/ .... at least half the people .... we could probably work out
agreements with ....
Pigott/ ,,,what happens if you get half the agreements,,,? what do
you do in that case?
Milk~.an/ And what do you do three years from now when you can't
relocate somebody ....
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Horow/ Totally agree .... can't guarantee getting them out within
this period of time.
Kubby/ Moving onto another idea ....
Nov/ This idea with this time' limit doesn't seem reasonable. I
agree with Jim that it is the logical first consideration
because we can move people out of the flood plain .... Next
consideration...is storm water improvements.
Lebnnan/ In Showers Addition, people own their structures but they
lease the property. What kind of leases?
Kubby/ Month to month.
Lehman/ ...30 d~ys...if we purchased the property we could tell
them-they have 30 days to leave.. ~ ..
Kdbby/ There is a variety of hunky funky things down there.
Leknman/
Woito/ There is an appraisal on all of them.
Milkman/ That is an approximate figure that we have.
Leb/aan/
Milkman/
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Arkins/ Salvage value is what you are saying.
Woito/ You would have to argue that with the appraiser and that
wasn't his take on it at all.
Lehman/...Think the Public Works project with the elimination of
the elevation of Dubuque Street ....
Pigott/ Question of whether you can get those agreements.
Lehman/.. ~they only have a 30 day lease.
Mil~a~an/ HUD doesn't care about what kind of lease .anybody has.
They say you have got to have a legally binding agreement.
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if we can
Throg! Do we have any flexibility here...? wondering
.basically transfer funds?
Atkins/ We had intended to fund both of those projects, as I
recall, by debt. And I am not sure we could borrow to do the
-Showers project. I would have to check that. I understand your
point ..... I would have to ask bond counsel on that.
Kubby/ ...talk about the Down Payment Assistance Program .... I am
not quite sure-I don't understand ..... why can't we have the
money encumbered for...bya non-profit organization who would
~dminister a down payment assistance program for peopl~ with
certain income criteria.....
Milkman/ I have called HUD about this and Omaha wasn't 'willing to
make a decision on this and passed it on to Washington ....
Kubby/
Milkman/ One thing here and that. is if you are just doing it for
people who are now in the flood plain to give them an
opportunity to move out. You have got to have some idea of how
many people this would be ....
Kubby/ I am thinking of having a program...where anyone could
apply...If you are a flood victim you have high priority and
you don't have to meet any criteria .... open to the general
public ....
Franklin/ The only thing I can think of why there is more of a
question on this is the nexus between the progrant and the
people .... With down payment assistance program...nebulous
whether people would change their life style....
Kubby/
Franklin/ Limitations are the spaces that are available and the
homes that are available.
Pigott/
Franklin/-
Kubby/
Franklin/ We are trying to get the answer from Washington .....
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Lehman/ Is there anything to prevent someone else from moving into
their space which does absolutely nothing as far as the flood
plain.
Franklin/ That was true with Greenview, too....other thing with
greenview was the other units being provided .... here you
wouldn't necessarily have any affect on the number of
units...on people vacating the flood plain.
Throg/ I can imagine some people...were anticipating the
opportunity to move .... no idea how many .... so it struck me
that maybe trying to put some relatively small amount of money
into a down payment assistance program would be a fair way to
respond to that ..... maybe 10%.
Milkman/ Technically there is a real problem with doing that ....
We know that the affected people...majority of them are in
Thatcher and Baculis .... if we ask them .... everybody gets up to
$10,000 .... for whatever formto relocate and they say (~ay but
I want to take my home .... where can I take it. At this point we
can't tell' them where they'can take it in Iowa City...
Kubby/ ...Here we would have the money encumbered to this non-
profit .... money is encumbered .... don't know exactly where they
are going to move to .... I would like us to put $75,000 to that
p~lq~ose, not Just to flood plain victims...they get first
ckack at it and to hear the answer from Washington.
Nov/ ...Rather go to the Showers Addition.
Horow/ I cannot support that in terms of knowing there is very
little place for them to move out ....
Throg/
Horow/ I want not want to give expectations to people by giving
them down payment assistance ....
Kubby/
Horow/
Kubby/ Not for th~ reasons that you are saying.
Horow/ ....The flood moneys right now I can't support that.
Kubby/ .... tryihg to do something that create different housing
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options for people .... Not creating ore units...0reating
opportunities for lots of people in Iowa City .....
Horow] Looking at what we have in the city .... You are going to
have to go outside of Iowa City.
Pigott/ ....
Horow/
Lehman/ I think a combination of Public Works and Showers Addition
Kubby/
Lehman/ We are going to have to do this at some point anyway.
Kubby/
Lehman/
Woito/ We stand to relocate some of them...valued at $25,000...they
have to be worth...
Nov/ If those people won their structures ....
Kubby/ If you own your property currently and you go from owning to
having to make mortgage payments again...which some'people
down there do...different economic position.
Pigott/ Showers talk is ridicules% We are just not going to be able
to cobble that sort of stuff together in time...beating a dead
horse there ..... Down payment assistance program and some
combination of Public Works
Kubby/ I would like to do $7§,000 i~ a down payment assistance
program that would be administered by a local non-profit and
the rest for the public works projects...prioritize .....
Milkman/ We have talked to a couple of people...have to open it up
Throg/ ...$75,000 to downpayment-
Kubby/ And the rest to Public Works...have to prioritize those
projects.....
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Milkman/ Are you thinking of a down payment assistance program that
is open to anybody regardless of income if they live in the
flood plain .... even then...this is only down payment
assistance and they have to go and get q-~alified for a
mortgage ...?
Horow/ I would like to find out whether there is support here
.... for down payment assistance program.
Throg/ For $75,000 I do.
Nov/ No.
Horow/ I am not supportive of
where Larry is on this ....
to see ....
this .... got 3/3 and I don't know
Public Works Projects... hold off
Pigott/
Throg/ If we forget about Dubuque Street...there is $780,000.
Horow/ If Dubuque Street is the entrance to our water plant isn't
that something we need to get ....
Milkman/ Speaking as a citizen ....
Arkins/ Larry...out of town,...
Throg/ If we exclud~ Dubuque Street we got $780,000...don't do down
payment program we got $1.2 million...means we got $420,000 to
commit...got to add something else.
Milkman/ ..undeveloped land...to keep flood plain land from being
developed ....
Arkins/ Okay on Public Works. Projeots. Didn't sense support for
Dubuque ..... if we can get some go ahead from you on
those...get out the contracts.'.. still leaves...$420,000
money for Showers .... moneys for Down payment assistance'~
'some kind and there also the undeveloped land... peninsula
· ... prefer selling the whole thing .... some projects that you
can agree on .....
Lehman/-Do you know what that property will cost us...?
Atkins/-We can find out ....
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Pigott/ I prpfer a down assistance program...set aside...
Horow/
Kubby/ I like the idea of using it in different ways. ~ublic
Works... down payment assistance and purchase of undeveloped
flood plain property .....
Thrc,g/ Ask a general question...undeveloped flood plain...how many
parcels...one parcel... can you help me ....
Milkman/ We have some little ones on Ralston Creek (refers to map)
.....idea is to have a greenbelt .... court Hill Park goes
through .... are some problems .... These are being figured at
$20,000 per acre .... this. is just about an acre .... very rough
estimate .... there is also a piece at Longfellow Manor...that
is being filled already ....
Throg/ How'serious is flooding in the sewer areas?
Nov/ Serious...
Arkins/
Throg/ Could you briefly characterize the severity Qf flooding on
those. three project araas?
Fosse/ Oakland/Grant... sanitary sewer surcharging into the
basements over there ....ugly... South Gilbert Street .....
vulnerability in s~mmer of '93. High Street... good slides of
that... serious problem... stormwater flow~ over ground .....
Kubby/ Previous list...Hafor Circle...
Atkins/
Kubb¥/
Atkins/ You weren't able to get that doneby the August deadline as
I recall.
Nov/ We need by August deadline is firm commitment of bids .... not
finished construction ....
Fosse/ Need to award a contract .... Put in this funding component
..~. new administrative twist...requires more lead time...
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Throg/ I would support those three and doing $75,000 in down
pa~ent assistance p~ogram and remainder of purchasing
undeveloped ....
Milkman/ Down payment as~istance will depend on the answer
Kubby/ Depends on Larry because we are at deadlock, too...-
Throg/ ..... if $75,000 doesn't go...goes to acquisition.
Horow/ Right...~
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Ron O'Neil/ The second time we went out to bid this building. We
got two bids .... low bid being $250-...hopefully say we should
still proceed.
Kubby/ Will the rent on the hangars reflect that increase in cost?
O'Neil/ I talked with Don about this .... will be paid through an
interdepartmental loan. It is going to take longer to pay it
back. -
Kubby/ That is one option.
O'Neil/ You could raise the rents but then...then you are no~ going
to rent them...
Kubby/ There is such high demand for them .... get a better price.
O'Neil/ In theory.
Pigott/ Where is the break point...?
Kubby/ What is Cedar Rapids?
O'Neil/ We would have four buildings and each one of them, the
hangars are different prices and Cedar Rapids fluctuates like
that also.
Pigott/ What kind of a market is this .... monopoly...?
Horow/ How much longer will Iowa City Flying Service will have this
contract?
O'Neil/ All the other T-hangars are full and they have a waiting
list of three or four at any one time .... I have a list of 18
'people that had expressed interest in renting a hangar ..... I
know we will fill it up.
Lehman/ The question is will it cashflow.
O'Neil/ Yes, in the life cycle of a building it will more than
cashflow.
Horow/ ...cost of repairs can be built into the charge for the
hangar.
o'Neil/ our oldest building is 1960 .... 35 year old building that
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has had little to no maintenance whatsoever. It is a pole
building .... simple structure.
Kubby/ We are going to be spending a bunch of money at the airport
...this is a small part of it .... airport is actively looking
for more way~ to generate funds .... more self supporting ....
This is one place .... if we are only market out there .....
O'Neil/ It is difficult...comparables...hangars...last one we built
was in '76.....We are going to charge $125- Talking with Cathy
.in purchasing...we weren't going to get any better bids....
Throg/ Ernie help me out here...inclined to charge as much as we
could .... look around to what other people are charging...
O'Neil/ The people that I have talked to that is the range that
they are talking .... You can go to Tipton .... get hangars for
$75 .....
Throg/ They want to be flying out of Iowa City ....
Nov/
Can we get some idea of how many people this is going to
accommodate ...? how many airplanes... each of the buildings
is ten...?
O'Neil/ (Refers to plan).
Throg/ How do you choose who to rent to...?Why wouldn't we have an
auction...? ask them to put in bids.
O'Neil/ I suppose you could do that .... public service ....
Lehman/ Key is paying for itself and getting a fair market
price .... Should get a fair market price ....
Kubby/ ...is it reasonable within the same time frame we had
before .... and the rent has to reflect that extra money .....
Lehman/ What pay off period.~.?
O'Neil/ 16.7 years...with this bid on...40 year building...% 16
years would pay it back.-...
Lehman/
Atkins/ Depreciation...number of variables..... intended to sell
debt ..... come up with a number .... We will do an internal
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service loan .... building certainly has a life of 35-40
years .... that debt would b~ repaid at 16.7 years...make it
anyway you want .... You. have an opportunity cost there that is
lost....We charge interest .... Question is this is a public
facility .... you have somewhat different set of criteria... We
will show it on our fixed asset inventory.
Nov/ If we are talking about rent as fair market rent... Why are we
.renting the other hangar spaces at lower than market rent.
0~Neil/ Actually the others ones are the market rent...~newer
building ....
Nov/ And they would not pay the $125 if the space were vacant in an
older building.
0'Neil/ That is something we don't know because' the T-Hangar space
has been full.
Kubby/ More important...cost per sq.ft .... is that with the
estimated cost or low bid cost.
0'Neil/ That is rent cost per foot.
Nov/...It has fewpr sq.ft ....
0'Neil/ ...They are individual garages.
Arkins/ Could we condominiumize it? We would sell the space...
0'Neil/
Atkins/ If we were to do it by way of condominium then the
individual owning that space has the ability to sell it, lease
it .... providing the ground, the dirt for which the building
sits on....
Nov/
Atkins/ It is one building.
Woito/ You would have to have some assurance that it was
continuance use as an airport to satisfy the feds, right?
Arkins/
Kubby/ I am a little confused why the price per sq.ft is the same
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Atkins/ We choose to do that.
Kubby/ ...I don't want to get into the details. I want the sq.ft
price to be ore than $1.40 .... I think you pay -more for a new
apartment .... People in new apartment buildings pay more for a
unit ....
Arkins/
O'Neil/ We can ask for a higher rent .... if they don't rent...
dilemma .....
Horow/...why don't we try this. Let the rent reflect the costs of
the construction .... higher than the old building ....
O'Neil/ ...$167 a month ....
Lehman/ I am not sure ten years is realistic ....
O'Neil/ ...
Kubby/ ~{ow much does it cost to rent a storage space of the same
amount of space... ?
Wdito/ Mini-storages are very expensive.
Kubby/
Throg/ .... we not be subsidizing the rents. That is the only thing
I care about.
0'Netl) 1%hink $125 is 'right at the top of what the market would
bear and do we want to provide a service to Iova City ....
There is some spin off factors that would be beneficial ....
Lehman/
0'Nell/ In talking with Don Yucuis...thought this was a workable
project.
Horow/ Let's go with it.
0'Neil/ If you have any questions...if you want to call me tomorrow
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Horow/ Bring it up to the Commission. Tell them the discussion that
took place...change their mind...
O'Neil/ As far'as-setting the different fees or whatever.
Horow/ Right.
O'Neil/ ...I talk to them individually...they will probably
recommend it .....
Horow/ ..feeling among oouncil..we would like the price to reflect
cost..There is no problem wi.th the resolution.
O'Npil/ ...It will be paid back....
Kubby/ If the market is out there ...... service that does not
directly benefit the majority of Iowa City-
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Horow/ You have got your charge.
O'Neil/ Whole airport is in the flood Dlain ....
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Council Agenda/Time 95-27 S1
13. (Agenda #12- Evaluating impact of silurian aquifer development)
Arkins/ Representatives from the USGS to talk to us..if you have
questions on that.
Kubby/ My first one is really for the council..timing... options
.... Do we want to make those decisions before we say yes we
want.to look at the silurian .... I would feel most comfortable
doing this after we have made decisions about what form our
water plant is going to take .....
Pigott/ ....One of the things...important for us to look at this
HOrOW/
Kubby/ Making the assumption...problem I have is the wording in the
resolution saying we have determined the use of the silurian
aquifer is necessary and desirable. I haven't come to that
solid of a determination .....
Schmadeke/ If we want to minimize the use of river water then I
think use of the silurian ....
Kubby/ I guess I am close to that conclusion .... since we haven't
had a discussion yet...
Pigott/
Woito/ We can soften it up...
Horow/ Is this a problem for the majority of council?
Throg/ Softsping the language.
Nov/ You just want to take out the word necessary.
Kubby/ That would be fine. ....
Nov/ Just is desirable ..... taking out "necessary and" ...
Horow/ Take it out.
Kubby/ My big question is more about money and why we are the only
people doing this? Kind of seems like the whole county should
be interested in these issues .....
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Throg/ How does our pro9osed s'=udy relate to what Johnson County is
considering.
Ed Moreno/ There is another study that will be presented to JCCOG
to look at the larger area...oovers the whole map.... And ours
fits into that larger area .... our share...
Kubby/ Documents say .... I am not saying county should pay for all
60% of that overlap...half of overlap... interested in
contact the supervisors to see if 30% or 50% of the overlapped
areas ..... co-funding ....
Horow/ I am concerned about the timing of this whole thing .....
This could draq out ....
Kubby/
Horow/
Kubby/ Let's say that JCCOG says no and we do this on our
own...still don't have any information about Tiffin,
Solon...how we are affecting.
Horow/ Who else would do this...?
Ed Moreno/ I don't think the state-
Atkins/ .... I have not sensed an interest on the county's
part...Chuck and I sent that well head program to them...they
said we are not interested.
Kubby/ What kind of legal obligations do we have if our pumping
affects Tiffin, North Liberty or SOloh's water?
Woito/ That is why we need to do' this.
Kubby/
Lehman/
Woito/ It is a first step,
Kubby/
Ed Moreno/
Woito/ I thinkwe need to hear from these gentlemen.
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Ed Moreno/ Coralville and North Liberty are drawing just as much
water out of that aquifer as you would be .... Impacts of their
wells on the total area would be hard to determine.
KubbY/
Throg/...tell us how this study would interact with the other
proposed study. How does it fit in or not fit in.
Kubby/
Ed Moreno/ Let me preface what Bob is going to say and give
background of this study. they are different studies. This
.study is geared towards the pump study...specifically for the
wells for the Iowa City project...JCCOG prop.osal is geared
toward..data collection... is an overall modeling project.
This is not modeling ..... It will be data collection that can
fit inside of a larger amount of data collection that will go
into some modeling ....
Kubby/ Comments...says areas to be modeled...
Bob Buchmiller/ With the USGS here in Iowa City .... try to answer
any of your questions.
Kubby/ Will this radius area tell us if we are affecting Tiffin,
North Liberty and Solon?
Buchmiller/My feeling in drawing this radius on this map... lifted
from the proposal....done for greater North Corridor area ....
approximately a three mile radius...typically when you make
ground water withdrawals you make a cone of depression around
the withdrawal...cone diminishes with distance..after you
reach a certain distance there are affects but they are
minimal ....
Pigott/.How far out is that...?
Woito/ You don't know until you have tested.
Throg/ Does time have anything to do with that...repeatedly of
depletion should have something to do...?
Buchmiller/ Ther~ are time draw down considerations...aquifer tests
you want the system to come to equilibrium...idea of time it
is taking.
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Woito/ Quantity over time is what you are talking about, right?
Throg/ I have not idea how large the pool of silurian water is ....
I don't know how rapidly it is replenished .... If it is being
depleted more rapidly than it is being replenished, it .is
being' drawn down as a whole. I assume that is what the
modeling is all about ..... If we deplete too rapidly then the
whole pool will be gradually be drawn down ....
Buchadller/ To try to rephrase it is that the draw down cone of the
well will expand until that cone captures enough water to
supply that. well...the inflow equals the outflow....what will
happen is the draw down cone will expand until it either
captures enough water the feeling that we have is the
river is on contact ~h the silurian....draw down may
actually capture water from the river...alluvia1... from the
water table .... once it captures that water the cone will not
get any bigger...this proposal did not deal with quantifying
where those sources are .... that is what the model proposal
was geared towards .... The main focus of this proposal is to
look at changes that are occurring in the local system near
the well field and what they are attributed to ....
Kubby/ 'So if we have monitoring wells that show we.are affecting
wells at the edges of this circle..may need to broaden that
circle...
Buohmi!ler/ .... it is basically my understanding is when you cause
an adverse impact ..... Interested in wells that are causing
adverse impact ..... What you would be interested in is the
wells you are causing adverse affects...most likely to occur
close in where the draw downs are occurring ....
Lehman/ ...idea is to figure out how much water we can pump without
adversely affecting ....
Buchmiller/ And to create an unbiased data base for all part%es to
see the water level changes ....
Woito/ Which will be very helpful for us...question was raised
whether we were using federal moneys...owed relocation costs
to the Glasgows....from his home...Question of whether
was triggered. I had a long conversation with the attorney for
the Department of Interior and it is their opinion that this
is not use of federal funds that triggered the relooation or
the funds because this will be added to the data base
access~e to the public at large ...information that is being
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gathered for the Department of Interior. It will Just happen
to help us in our own. data base ....
Nov/
Is it going to be specific enough...wells adversely ~mpacted
by Coralville and Iowa City or will they just know it is being
adversely impacted without fixing the blame.
Ed Moreno/ Part of the proposal was to inventory the other silurian
wells that are being used in the area...coralville .... We have
several observation ones .... be able to determine within the
scope of the work where the effects are coming from..data is
also going to be used in the analysis...
Kubby/ ...doesn't that take some'interpretation...?
Moreno/ Don't know that we would be making that
interpretation...information that is gathered from this would
be useful for that interpretation...
Nov/ Concerned about the interpretation..2...I want us ~o be able to
say it wasn'% the new Iowa City silurian well that caused. your
problem. Can we do tha~.
Kubby/.
Moreno/ This will insist in the interpretation. It will he
performed by a committee that has already been informed that
includes USGS, Iowa geological Bureau, Johnson County health
Department and ...Howard R. green...supporting the data
collection..,. So USGS will assist in the interpretation as
part of that committee .... also received numerous requests for
information .... from ~olks in the North Corridor..:. also
Lindpr Road .... That is how the interpretation will unfold
Horow/
Nov/ They are not sure they are going to be able to interpret
exactly whose well cause the depletion...
Woito/ That is to their'charge...as a federal agency that is not
their charge and frankly, ! don't want them doing that .....
Nov/
Woito/ From the base information we will be able to extrapolate
that ....
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Kubby/...putting pieces of information together ....
Woito/ I dontt thir~k it is that fine of science. This is an art ....
Moreno/....
Lehman/ Without this we know absolutely nothing .....
Kubby/ I saw an article...1972...suggesting that this be done ....
I really want to do this...cost is high .... chart that shows
the active network wells...two new wells to be¢~rilled .... add
those two .... extra money there .... Why do we have to collect
data hi-weekly versus monthly .....
Moreno/ That would be an option .... bigger gaps...
Woito/ I would not recommend that .....
Kubby/ Talking about a three year study .....
Lehman/
Kubby/ Other studies have been proposed at doing this monthly....
I am questioning it .... expensive...is it still good science
Moreno/ Provide you...hydrograph from the University of Iowa
Quadrangle Dorm well...goes back a few years .... shows the
fluctuation of the water levels in the silurian at that well
.....you can see there is a ¢yclacle change in that well...
primarily caused by pumpage from the University for air
conditioning .... use of ground water system...for air
conditioning ....reducing the frequency of the data collection
you stand an increased likelihood of missing those swings and
peaks by doing it that way .... cycle fluctuations are caused
by pumpage....
Pigott/ How long is that. pumpage period for...?
Moreno/ This would be during the air conditioning season .... rapid
response when the pumps .are turned on...off.o. If we are
talking about non-air conditioning withdrawals...
Pigott/ To be safe we would rather do it more often.
Moreno/...proposed putting in two recording wells...mon!tor
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continuou~ly... built into the cost here ..... Wouldn't want to
compromise that frequency at the beginning ....
Kubby/ .... Most of ~he wells are active wells...what kind of
information are you currently obtaining from those welis ...?
Moreno/ Look in the column of present frequency of measurement.
That is the information that we are colleoting. l.
Kubby/ So ~e are only being charged for the increased monitoring of
thbse wells...
Morow/
Kubby/ ..... What would you do differently...isthere something that
you can out for the proposal.that would still allow us to get
.the information...?
Moreno/ I don't thinkso. ooitems that are proposed are critical ....
Nov/ ...It is important to know for the general public that we are
doing this as early as we possibly can...
Horow/ .... Thanks very much.
NOV/ There is a well listed here on Black Spring Circle. How did
that happen. .... one within the city limits...?
Moreno{ We will hear from everybody .... I don't know...some of
these...I say the same thing...We are just hearing from
anybody and everybody .....
Schmadeke~ Lot of those. were from the farm house when it was
subdivided .....
Horow/ Ed, are you looking for more? I have got one on either side
of our house'and neither Of them are for air conditioning.
Moreno/ The area that we are looking in isn't in that direction...
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En~ineerin~ Division 1995 Projects-Capital Projects Review 95-27 Sl
Fosse/ (Refers to overhead) Give an abbreviated vePsion...want to
accomplish tonight. Just to inform you what is-What tonight
is all about is just informyou of the projects.. constructed
this summer .... expose you to some of the issues...decisions
that will be facing you regarding these projects this
summe~ .... look at 1996'and answer q~lestions...
(Handout: Engineering Division 1995 Projects)
ROI{RET ROAD. Will take every bit of this construction season
to get it done .... Setting p.h. tomorrow night .... project
promises to be to make some difficult times for people who
live out there..° fast track...using...aggregate base which
makes this less vulnerable to down time...Spend $6,000 on
temporary walkways for the folks tha~ live out
there.~.mandator¥ six day work week to help speed this project
along... Aren't any tree~... 352 trees to be
plan~ed....decisions...this proJect..realigning the
intersection...traffic signal...not statistically
warranted..hit you up later on the year...also be finishing up
the pedestrian bridge this year.
BURLINGTON/GILBERT INTERSECTION. This quite a
· . is nasty
intersection...last year...75 accidents, 34 personal
injuries... average ao~ident about every 5 days...somebody
gets hurt about every 11 days ..... associated with left turn
movements .... Short window on construction season...get it
done before the first football game .... Tomorrow night's
agenda...utility companies will be responsible for some of
those power poles...resolution...comm~tment to the
concept...schedule of it .... one of the issues...money..olose
those larger ash trees ...17 ~rees...and then these trees
(refers to map/drawing) ... looked at doing an unsymmetrical
widening .... Overhang on the Rec Center ..... stuck
there .... there is not going to be enough room to put some
trees back...(refers to drawing) ..~.. This is the library lot
here...be redeveloping.~.make you aware of that...tomorrow
night we are fixing the alignment and fixing the schedule for
the project ....
Throg/ Really going to be creating a sterile environment...°
Fosse/ Do have a significant safety issue here...one of the things
we need to balance ....
Woito/ The old library parking lot...with New Pioneer or whatever
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Fosse/ (Refers to drawing)...taking all but that last ash...
Kubby/...goes to the bridge...together...
Fosse/ As we looked into it...1ot to be said for doing them
separately ..... DOT plans 'to replace that bridge next
summer.... widening the bridge out....going to be a much
longer duration than out intersection project...plan to do it
half at a time .... .We can get in and out of that intersection
this summer...intersection will be open next sum~er....bridge,
things will be..one lane in each directton...flip floppingl...
if we do them together, the DOT is looking tO us for some
project administration and inspection duties .... disadvantage
...three prevailing reasons I see to get it done this year ....
The intersection will be back together hopef~llybythe first
football game .... while bridge work is going on things will
s%ill function in that intersection .... sat downand Worked it
through.
Kubby/.I am also concerned about taking all that landscaping out
and having nothing....what can we do to mitigate that...plans
to start thinking about ....
Fosse/ I have got the detail here (refers to drawing)...those
nearest Burlington Streetwill ~e coming out..,.. really like
to have six feet between the back of the curb and the sidewalk
before you plant something .... hazard of having the trees that
close ....
Kubby/ Temporary plantings going south .... so that it is not'bare
and not all conorete ....
Fosse/ That we can look into ......
Kubby/ (Refers to drawing) Have some kind of plantings in this area
Horow/ Best thing to do is look into it. I would also like to no if
the utilities could be put underground.
Fosse/ For a price...not obligated to put them underground...we can
prioe that out....
Horow/
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Pigott/...how do you balance the safety issue versus this need to-
Fosse/ I don't have good answers. We can look for opportunities
during redevelopment .... .
Throg/ What non engineering alternatives have you investigating ....
to reduce the hazard?
Fosse/ Eliminate left turn movements,,,sending them somewhere
else .... too many cars using that intersection for its existing
capacity,°,,, It is two major arterials in town and we don't
have provisions for left turning lanes which are critical for
safety aspects,
Kubby/ If we approve this resolution,,,I would like us to ask staff
to come up with some ideas .... landscaping .... to give u~ some
options,,,whoever the appFopriate people are ....
Throg/ Challenge is to find some way to make it still human for
people to still be walking on the sidewalk ..... matter of
design,,,DR Committee could b~ ~sked to look at that to
suggest some mitigation possibilities ....
Kubby/
Fosse/ Says the widening will be centered within the existing
r,o,w,,states a schedule,,,gives the utilities the components
they need to begin their plans for relocation,,,, with
pedestrian issue,,,portions that have four foot wide
sidewalks,,, need for six foot walks .... will be widening
sidewalks out throughout'portions. on the project,,,,
Throg/ ~edestrian really wants shade, ,interesting to look -~'
Horow/
Fosse/ Strongest pedestrian movement is diagonal ....
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Fosse/ Voting on it tomorrow night,,~,
Nov/'How complex is burying electrical lines,,,since you are going
to dig up the street anyway,,,?
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Fosse/ That I don't have a good answer for you (refers to
drawing)...anybody who has got a service off that needs to put
in an underground servioe...rewiring back into the building
.....I can get some prices on that if you wish ....
Nov/ When you are digging up on each side of the road anyway ....
Fosse/ .... replacement costs isntt doubled...
Nov/ Where is your r.o.w. going to come...?
Fosse/ (Refers to -drawing) .....
Nov/
Fosse/ We'are pinned in by the Reo.Cent~r at this 1ocation...cannot
go any further east .... (refers to drawing).
Lehman/ There is no sewer or water replacement.
Fosse/ Storm sewer.
MAIDEN LANE~ We split that into two phases...north half...not
finished on the bridge...beam has some cosmetic cracks in
it...not satisfied with .....
Kubby/ Unacceptable.
Fosse/ If the person that does the patching...faced with a decision
of forcing them to replace the bridge .... or look at some sort
of deduct .... pay extra on the bridge for a nice looking
product...no reason to compromise that with cosmetic cracks.
Nov/
Fosse/ When that beam was
reinforcing .steel...they
cracks ....
poured it was laying dow~...a11
stresses it...got they got those
Kubby/ Go down and look ....
Fosse/ ASPF~%LT OVERLAY PROGRAM. Coming up this summer. We haven't
identified all the streets...arterials .... Joint project again
with Coralville...add their street to ours...airpor~ and ih
the cemeterj...
CURB RAMP PROGRAM. Did some last year .... process of putting
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together plans for this summer's programs...picture of one of
the curb ramps...dye those .... truncated domes are going away
.... dark spot ....
ROCHESTER SIDEWA?~. Turning the corner...forgotto specify an
eight foot walk there so we are coordinating that with the
property owners.
SOCCER SITE ACCESS. Finishing up and also the access road for
that,..got grading started on that.
NORTH SUMMIT ALLEY GRADING PROJECT. Not on your list but we
finally have all the easement on that ....
OAKLAND/GRANT/CENTER. That has been a problem for a long time.
There'are a couple of storm sewers draining into the sanitary
sewer up therz...storm sewer on Clark Street (refers to map)
HIGhLANDER.AREA LIFT STATION AND SEWER. That is a part of an
obligation .... from a CEBA grant...have something bid by July
] .... studying just what is the best way to spend out there and
upgrade the existing lift station improvements...
SCOTT BLVDLIFT STATIONAND SEWER. Again...figure out where to
put them...industrial park will impact the location of that
lift station ....
LAFAYETTe/RALSTON SEWERCROSSING REPAIR. Left over from flood
of ~93 .... forgot about it last sua~ner...FEMAmoney.
SOUTH RIVER CORRIDOR SEWER. Shown on the map... strong
neighborhood benefits of this project is Highland Plum Street
sewer .... and also down in the Sandusky area...able to relieve
that problem as well...huge project .... putting in 96 and 84
inch pipes .... good soils..sand...peet...sticks...bugs...
HIGH STREET/FAIRVIEW. Note the water running along the
house .... neighborhood tried hard to keep the water out of the
homes....Upstream of this water shed is at City High...good
job...parking lot...storm water management...very responsive
to the neighborhood.
SOUTH GILBERT. Vulnerable to back water .... had some
problems... (refers to map) .... valve and televise that° Sewer
got added onto by non-cit~ forces ....
KIWANIS PARK STORM WATER MANAGEMENT. This is a bridge that
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Johnson County is rep. lacing .... latch onto it...pedestrian
bridges out at Kwanis Park .... narrower it up...deck .... Can
get the storm water management that we need utilizing the
existing basin .... modifying and repairing them.... (refers to
map).. ....
SOUTH SYCAMORE STORM WATER I~AGEMENT. Preliminary phases of
that...rolling along. :.hope to get some construction u~der way
later on this summer on. that.
SHAMROCK/PETERSON. (Refers to map)... the portion of the
project left out.... there has been renewed interest in
that... that may be facing you later on. Design concern is we
may not have enough depth to get a big enough pipe in there
.... Only option may be channel improvements through there
versus enclosing it ....
PARK ROAD. We have a collapsed storm sewer...causes that
street to flood...street repairs at that time.
SANDUSKY AREA STORM WATER. Right there (refers to map).. °never
worked right...flooding around some houses...that project...
don't know if we are going to get to it .... It is east of
there...west of intersection of Pepper and Sandusky.
LANDFILL
NEW CELL .... new cell that is under construction...take soil
out...make hole... construct your liner... better clays than we
had on the east side...been able to-eliminate...Dentonire ....
we will be able to construct our 'liner... After the liner is
built you come back and put in the drainage layer... Phoenix
had a dance at the dump to raise money ....
LEACHATE LIFT STATION. Also 'new to build a new leachate lift
etation...old one wasn't keeping up .... work with the DNRon
that.
EAST SIDE CAP. Also will be capping off the east side ....
seeds and mulch.
Kubby/ Any more poplar trees?
Fosse/
Schmadeke/ Still gathering data .... planting them on the slopes...on
top .... once the tree roots...started to die....
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Schmadeke/ For erosion control ....
Kubby/
Schmadeke/ They didn't have the leachate that we have.
Nov/
Schmade~e!
Fosse/ On to other projects:
SCS STREAM BANK PROTECTION. We recently awarded...along
crandic Park...inoludes work along City Park and along Dubuque
Streets...~rainage improvements ....
EMERGENCY SPILLWAY FOR THE IOWA RIVF~R POWER DAM. Experience
serious scouting .... holes big enough you could stuff a cow in
there .... make sure that we get to reserve that.
Throg/ I once rode on my bike on top of that
exhilarating .... roaring...
spillway ....
WHISPERING MEADOWS WETLAND PARK. Finish the physical
improvement son that this spring...done the seeding...get
seeding growing. Come back in '96 to plant the wetland
plants .... they are coming in '96 ....
IOWA RIVER CORRIDOR TRAIL-IMUTO IOWA AVE. This is a picture
of the last segment .... joint design project with the
University of Iowa...us~ng transportation Enhancement Funds
1996 PROJECTS.
MELROSE-WEST HIGH TO 218. Took a look at this
plan...process of hiring a consultant...STP money.
concept
MELROSE AVENUE, We are nearing completion of environmental
assessment...applies to the bridge...have done some cores on
the bridge ....
WOLF AVENUE BRIDGE. Pieces falling off...hunkthat has fallen
out...if you go under there now...plywood platforms for pieces
to fall on .... some areas .... chipper hammer...chipped away at
those .... next summer we will look at replacing that...
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meeting ...two span rather than a three span bridge... period
lighting ...period rails....pedestrian and bike counts...DOT
may require we put one of those enclosed cage things over the
sidewalk... oppose that....we got the design...matter of it
bubbling up to the top of that federal funding list ....
(Refers to map). This one we got problems underneath...
identical bridge right by karen's house...may even throw in
the Meadow Avenue Bridge... got design down on shelf...
TFi~RELL MILL PARK PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE. Shows some signs of age,
too...hoping to do...working with the student chapter of
~erican Society of Civil Engineers over at the U~iversity...
design a wooden pedestrian bridge for this... replace cheap ....
that was a pedestrian bridge...wooden bridge that was heart
sha. ped .... too many people were dumping their bikes on it...
BURLINGTON STREET BRIDGE. As I mentioned...will'be replaced
in '96 and also First Avenue past the Eagles there is targeted
for reconstruction ..... that will be another...funded by
STP .... ope~ it up to any questions.
Kubby/ Go back to Burlington/Gilbert...may be good reasons to do it
in two years .... think about people's percpption of us ....
having problems with traffic flow two years in a row...how
much is that worth .....
Pigott/
Fosse/ If we do it as a part of the DOT...I don't have the firm
schedule. o.bridges typically take much longer.... I can
investigate that before tomorrow night ....
No~/ How much more expensive is that Go do it as the same time...?
Fosse/ To do it at the same time they would lock for us to provide
construction administration and inspection on both
projects .... looking at $40,090-$50,000 ticket there.
Kubby/
Throg/ Consider...the cost in delay in travel...if we did it all in
one season.... seems to me that time delay would be much
more...
Fosse/ DOT enters that into their co~t benefit analysis ....
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Horow/ More interested in the 9ackaging of it...getting people to
realize... is going to take a while....how w~. package it... o
Pigott/.
Fosse/ Image is a bog component.
Nov/
ubby/
Fosse/ What it does is north and south bound traffic on Gilbert
Street...important arterial .... reduces the lengtk~ of time
t. hat that is encu~ered ....
Horow/ Thank you very much. We are .....
Kubby/ Thanks for the USGS folks being here tonight.
Adjo~lrned: 10:30 PM.
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