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February 20, 1995 Council Work Session 6:30 PM
Council: Horow, Baker, Kubby, Lehman, Pigott, Throg. Absent: Nov.
Staff: Arkins, Neumann, Karr, Yucuis.
Tapes: 95-30, all; 95-31, all.
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Arkins/ First two issues .... change the agenda... put Refuse
Collection and Landfill together .... What I would like to do
is confirm with you the agenda for Refuse. The budget shows
some general increases in the cost of refuse collection ....
package this whole thing together ...one big
recommendation .... The things I want to confirm with you is
that we would prepare a package of recommendation and
financing based upon: 1-Weekly recycling pickup. Unless I hear
differently, I will just move through these things. 2-We will
add corrugated cardboard pickup to the recycling ....
Kubby/ Talked about discontinuing some glass and adding something
else
Arkins/ .... Floyd is just at the point of giving you a formal
recommendation. I suspect if we can get through this we can
add that at the time we bring this whole package back to you.
We also talked about the cereal box cardboard, too ....
Horow/ Question on the weekly recycle pickup, is that one that is
poised for evaluation in terms of continuing or flat out we
have made that determination.
Arkins/ If you are going to buy the truck and the staff, you are
pretty well into it .... adjust the policy later on but you do
have a commitment to the equipment and to the staff .....
Trying to expand the curbside recycling efforts...end the
confusion...not seeing growth. 3-We want to purchase
containers .....
Kubby/ I thought we decided that if people wanted to they could use
their ow~.
Atkins/ Yes .... make sure we are
drop off sites...met with
.... If we go to weekly ....
all on board...
some skepticism
any thoughts.
4-Elimination of
.... contaminated
Pigott/ I still like us to think about retaining a drop site
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Atkins/ ..buildings .... if we are going to do those things, those
buildings need to look a lot better than they do.
Leh~an/ Can we see the affects of weekly pick up before we decide
as far as closing the drop site...? if volume decrease
dramatically ....
Horow/ In June..three staffed sites... 5-Unit based pricing I think
we were pretty well on board on that. Number of cans.
Kubby/ At what point do we talk about how many cans?
Arkins/ ...I came away with the understanding of two.
Kubby/ I would like to look at that again.
Arkins/ We can structure that so we can have that argument again
Kubby/ I am confused because I thought we had made a tentative
decision about all these things .....
Atkins/ We are already to go with this .... affects the budget now
and that you may have to adjust that budget... I am confirming
this agenda.
Kubby/ Okay, so what is the timing for moving on this stuff?
Atkins/ Well, we can probably get this proposal to you 30 days,
fairly .quickly .... Hazardous waste, toxic clean up,
construction of the new building, that was that whole thought
process of City Carton, landfill and a new site. You didn't
settle in on that. You made no decision on that ..... do
everything...think about purchasing a piece of ground in the
industrial park. I never sensed any real commitment on your
part for that.
Kubby/ Saying we are eliminating drop offs in kind of a misnomer
because ...substitute the three areas...reconfiguring our drop
sites.
Arkins/ That is probably a better term, I agree°
Kubby/ The landfill...I don't think west siders are going to go
out...poor choice.
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Atkins/ City Carton we can work with...one on the east side of town
.... off of Scott Blvd.
Lehman/ ...toxic materials ....
Arkins/ ...when you set up a toxic clean up day, it is a load of
work .... The one we have scheduled for May is .... There is a
whole set of regulatory circumstances... Iowa City Carton
might be reluctant to take that on...They may not .... Multi
family project is underway now.
Neumann/ Noping top begin sometime in the middle of March for about
three months...May, early June... about 90 days .... Got about
10-12 sites chosen to do that.
Kubby/ People seem to be interested ....
Arkins/ All you need to do is confirm that agenda and we will get
it packaged up...
Kubby/ So there are people who want to build a new building-?
Lehman/ I kind of question that ....
Arkins/ This one is going to require the purchase of property...it
is not going to come together that easy. Everything else ....
those four will come together...and this one you are giving
me...a little more tentative.
Kubby/ I will feel uncomfortable eliminating the drop off sites if
we are not going to do these three other places ....
Atkins/
Horow/ Are there four people who agree eliminating drop sites at
same time we go to weekly recycling pick up is prudent
measure.
Kubby/ No, not until we do the new building.
Atkins/ That you want to run concurrently for a while. That is what
heard you say.
Neumann/ The unit base is going to have a big affect on drop off
sites also .... going to get worse as a dumping ground.
Kubby/ ...unit base...how are you going to put it together...?
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Atkins/ Concept is what we needed to nail and I think we have
nailed that. How you want to go about 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5-that is
just a matter of telling me what you want to do ....
Kubby/ ...most households have 1-2 cans or bags ....
Atkins/ Floyd feels pretty strongly about two ....
Kubby/ ...what affect will unit based pricing have on the majority
of households if we give...flat rate...don't pay extra unless
you are over two bags...?
Pigoft/ .... average is two...weeks...where a person throws out 5-
7 .... other times ....
Throg/ Do we have any information about the percent of households
who put out one versus two versus three versus four...?
Arkins/ We can give you estimates, Jim...
Lehman/ If we are picking up cardboard separately, plastic
separately...all of these things...should be a substantial
impact on what goes in that ....
Nov/Why are you picking up just corrugated?Why not all cardboard?
Arkins/ Floyd feels confident there is a corrugated cardboard
market...also talked about the cereal boxes .... don't think he
has confirmed whether he can do that ..... certainly being
considered ....
Nov/ At City Cardboard they are mingling corrugated and the cereal
boxes ..... don't see any reasons that we shouldn't.
Neumann/ One of the problems is the room on the truck .... we can do
the ¢orrugated...if we go with everything ~lse .... room on the
truck is the biggest problem.
Nov/ Room on the tr~ck for corrugated is a non issue. Most families
do not throw away corrugated paper every week. They throw away
cereal boxes every ....
Neumann/ You ~ould be surprised how much corrugated is out there
every week .... a lot of corrugated.
Arkins/ We will get you those answers.
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Nov/
Atkins/ A~ybody who orders with catalogues gets the corrugated
cardboard .....
Kubby/ If we have to make a decision is it we do corl~lgated Or
chipboard..? of all the other things we pick up, what is the
percentage of things that go to the landfill...? better to do
the =ardboard-
Neumann/ (Can't hear) .... paper and cardboard makes up about 40%...
glass and plastic is maybe around 7% .....
Kubby/ ...go with mixed paper and mixed cardboard and take out
plastic and glass if you had to ....
Neumann/ Still provide drop sites for the rest of the material ....
Lehman/
Horow/ Okay.
Weekly recycle pick up
Curbside - corrugated cardboard
Purchase container
Eliminate drop sites
Unit based pricing/fees
Hazardous waste/toxic clean up
New Building
Multi Family Project
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Landfill 95-30 Sl
Arkins/ Seeing little to n~ interest in the authority...do have
interesting dilemma. The DNR approved that transfer station
for N&N.
Kubby/ They don't have to get a letter from us?
Neumann/ What DNR told us was-
Arkins/ Do you understand the concept, what the transfer station
might do to the landfill? Okay.
Neumann/ Looking at about 45,000 ton a year. Its permit that he has
been granted, his service area is basically the Iowa City
Landfill service area...cannot go outside of Johnson county
without amending his permit. So he will be in direct
competition with the Iowa City Landfill only ..... for the time
being. Right now, by law, he can pick up waste from anyone he
wants to, take it to any landfill he wants to as long as the
landfill will accept it. The transfer station...seen as an
extension of his operation...n0t a final disposal site. Just
collection ..... His next problem is finding a site...the
problem we see .... his proposal is basically taking it to
Illinois... out of state .... it is ¢heaper...he will be
required to report his tonnage .... any waste taken from
Johnson County, he is required to report it to us every
year .... we...add it on to our landfill amount that we have
here and reduce that by 50%...still responsibility for what he
is taking to Illinois.
Kubby/ What is the projected tonnage that he deals with?
Neumann/ Right now he does about 17,000 tons .... his proposal...hie
facility... will accept up to 45,000 tons .... per year ....
Nov/
Neumann/ In order to do that he is going to have to go outside of
Johnson County .... his permit just keeps him in the county
..... amend my permit.
Leknnan/ What is out per ton fee?
Atkins/ $53-
Neumann/ Outside...$53.50. $48.50 inside of Iowa City. He is
looking at about $45 a ton to take it to Illinois .... The
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tipping fee is done on a volume base...$28 ton...take him
about $17 tone to get it there ....
Lehman/
Neumann/ It raises another issue...in order to compete with N&N,
they are going to have to take it to Illinois themselves
..... It is going to be everybody else ....
Lehman/ Is it conceivable that the local haulers will haul their
stuff to the transfer station...?
Neumann/ Probably not...take it themselves because they don't want
to support a competitor.
Kubby/ Let's say all the landfill weight and volume go to Illinois
..... . Long ?erm, what does that mean for Iowa City...?
downsides...
Neumann/ Problem is...not paying their post closure fees...can't
control...Only thing you can control is the residential waste
stream in Iowa City ....
Kubby/ Can we approach cities and private folks...saying once you
leave, you can come back but you have got to pay...?
Horow/ I agree with Karen .... their lack of accepting an authority
was based on lack of knowledge ....
Neumann/ If they can do it cheaper through N&N transfer, a lot of
.people are going to do it .... problem is ...they are spreading
their liabilities...liable in Illinois as well as in Iowa
City ....
Lehman/ Can't go on forever ....
Horow/ What about Cedar County Landfill...?
Neumann/ They are looking into reopening a landfill .... they
basically transfer liabilities over there .... contract with
another lan~fill....they are looking at reopening ....
Kubby/ Wasn't JCCOG staff directed to get a more specific proposal
together ...?
Arkins/ ¥es...I don't know how to shape a proposal..currently
.circumstances .... I am not sure how to fashion an authority
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unless...use some muscle...unless if you leave...don't come
back ..... DNRhas created a competitor for us with none of the
responsibilities.
Lehman/ We are required by state law to reduce our volume by 50%by
2000 .... If DNR let's them haul this out...the city should
have some recourse.
Neumann/ According to law, it originates in your service area, you
are responsible for it.
Lehman/
Neumann/
Lehman/ If we do not meet the 50% requirement we go to the state...
we say we have no control... a legal question here.
Horow/ Has ECCOG Solid Waste Management Technical Advisory talked
about this in terms of the legal question...?
Neumann/ This whole issue doesn't affect (can't hear) at this
time... They are aware of it .... We feel...that it is within
our right, as the owner of the landfill, to approach the
communities, require them to designate their entire waste
stream .... at least we know where it is going...you are in or
out... it is everything .... current Iowa Code makes...you
responsible for the entire waste stream ....
County .... The city has the ability to say that to a county?
Neumann/ By law, you are responsible for your waste stream .... as
the owner of the landfill.
Atkins/ This all is the best reason in the world not to have a
municipally owned landfill...should be done on some sort of
regional basis .... I don't know how to prepare a budget for the
landfill right now...keep plugging along. I do think, if I am
hearing you correctly, and this is not something that is going
to come down to sort of a hard and fast policy...N&N may not
go anywhere ..... 50% reduction...we don't knowwhat they mean.
To be held responsible for it, we think is very unfair.
Lehman/ There has got to be a legal question.
Arkins/ We may have to pull out of ECCOG, write our ownplan and in
the plan spell out this is the way we are going to run our
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landfill and here is what people-
Horow/ Steve, we have certainly a history in terms of where the
trucks come from .... Is there a way to estimate the percentage
of material that has gone into the landfill from different
communities...? Charge them for the liability up to this
point?
Atkins/ The first question is can we estimate? The answer is yes.
Is there a way that we can find to keep them with us? They can
do whatever they want.
Horow/ ...then we would legally then sue them for the amount of
money that we are liable having accepted the material up to
this point.
Atkins/ They will have paid to this point ....
Horow/ I am talking about before 1989.
Atkins/ If there is a problem...you can go back and track it .... We
have the same problem at Sturgis Ferry...who is responsible
for it ....
Kubby/
Atkins/ Virtually impossible...practical application.
Horow/ What does this do to the ability to borrow?
Atkins/ .... forget it. There is no way you can do any borrowing.
You have to have an established income stream ..... We have not
had to borrow ....
Horow/ We are not the only municipality going through this...
Atkins/ We are a municipal government that runs a landfill on a
regional basis. I don't know of anybody else that does that.
Horow/ ...Lee County...Story County.,.going through the same
problem ....
Neumann/ There is nothing like the situation here.
Kubby/ Wouldn't it be prudent for us to kind of preempt whatever
happens...to get those agreements with communities no matter
what happens with the transfer station...?
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Atkins/ Okay. If that is the case then we would start a process of
correspondence with communities and tell them that. That you
have to guarantee your waste to come to this landfill. Of what
if you prevail, and all this leaves Iowa City and goes
somewhere else, have you not environmentally solved one of our
problems. It depends on where you want to take your risk.
Kubby/ Letting them have the choice: do you want in 100% or out
100%. If you choose out and you want back in at a further
date ..... then you have to pay a re-entrance fee .... steep
enough that it is felt as a penalty for leaving.
Arkins/ Sooner or later I need to give Floyd some guidance .... If
we are going to downsize the size of the landfill...everything
has to change ....
Horow/ Isn't that another option...closing our landfill and having
them take over our collection...?
Arkins/ Are you prepared to contract your refuse...?
Neumann/ Comment on what Steve said about leaving the ECCOG
Regional Plan and doing our own plan. If we approach
communities in this county and say if they don't want to stay
here, they want to go elsewhere. Things need to change as far
as our landfill permit to outline our service area. Because we
still don't want to be responsible for their reduction .... I
think we can do it...doing our own plan is not a real bad
thing... still have cooperation...not doing any regional
landfilling or collection right now. We are all in it
basically for the reporting requirement .... we can do it...
Arkins/ One of the things in doing that...choose to do our own
plan, I would assume you want us to bring to the table all
those other communities. That might be a mechanism to cause
that debate to occur .....
Kubby/ What would happen if we asked people to come to a meeting to
talk about what the liabilities are...new issues...?
Arkins/ Some sort of an open forum for that kind of debate...makes
all the sense in the world .... need to say...do you understand
that if this happens, here are the consequences for us as a
landfill operator .... there are practical problems that you
need to be aware of if you make that decision ....
Horow/
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Arkins/ I am not convinced that we-The DNRdid what? ..... What they
have done is create a competitor for us that does not have a
disposal responsibility .... no liabilities...
They don't have to keep paper trails?
Arkins I suspect so ....
Nov/ What is actually going to happen at the transfer station?
Neumann/ They will do some recovery...they are not going to take
the tin cans, plastic .... they are going to recover some wood
and metals .... otherwise it just goes in a pit and they put it
in a bigger truck and take it to Illinois.
Nov/
Neumann/ The facility will all be indoors...dumping it ....
Arkins/ The pit is a compressing device.
HOrOW/
Neumann/ .... One hauler...collecting his waste on a bigger truck...
take it to Illinois... cheaper for him...
Nov/ I don't see how building a building...cheaper ....
Neumann/ Has to.do with the tipping fee in Illinois .... $28.00 a
ton .....
Arkins/ Who is backing him? Where is he getting the capital...?
probably pay minimum wage .... We have to raise our own
capital...
Ho~ow/ Do we know where this is going and who o~rns the landfill?
Neumann/ ....in Illinois is owned by BFI which is one of the major
waste companies in the country ..... also mentioned landfills in
Minnesota.....But the Iowa City Landfill is also mentioned in
his permit... which means DNRhas given him permission .... he
can sti%l take it to our landfill.
Kubby/ Can we say you are an N&N truck, you cannot enter?
Neumann/ That is a legal question ....
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Atkins/...We have a contract for our municipal-
Yucuis/.Jim's refuge.
Kubby/Who is backing N&N .... is there a connection between BFI and
N&N?
Neumann/ A lot of the companies will buy in ....
Horow/ What do you want us to do?
Arkins/ ...... think having some sort of a confabwhere you have the
other elected officials or at least some representatives and
at least tell them about it.
Horow/ Let's do it within the next month. The sooner the better.
Atkins/ We will do CIP and then-
Neumann/ The other communities in the county .... the mayors ....
They want to have some say so...tipping fee keeps going up and
up and up. They want to have some say so .... But when you ask
them about the liability...what they would be doing in reality
if they would form an authority...most likely the structure
would be set up and Iowa City would still have a majority
control on any authority board because you make up the biggest
population and waste stream of the county..... Then we have a
mechanism to get back t6 their residences to pay for any clean
up in 30-40 years ....
Kubby/ If there is. a problem' at the landfill and we establish that
it is residential waste that caused it, can we then say Iowa
City is X percent...unincorporated Johnson County is X percent
residential and go back at it that way?
Neumann/ It is a legal question ....
Atkins/ .Several years ago...those communities choose not to be
informed about solid waste .... Those communities .... most
communities in Johnson County choose not to be informed about
it.
Neumann/...thsy accept the haulers contract ....
Kubby/ And you have been in contact with them... Can we require it?
Arkins/ I think if we were to be the site of disposal, I think you
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could pretty well make any demand that you want .... I don't
need the financial information .... still be difficult because
the individual private hauler...he is not going to weight that
trash .... I can say I know those three businesses are in the
back of that truck ....
Kubby/ Interested. in us trying to gather some people to talk to
them ..... after that meeting .... be in a position of saying you
got to be in or out and if you are out...pay a fee to come
back in.
Horow/ Dave Roberts was pretty agreeable ...I would like to work
with the Rural Policy Board.
Neumann/ Underst~nding then .... If you go back and tell the
communities you have to designate it for the 711 in your
comnunity, that is a whole other ball game .... residence ....
Residence.from the business community saying you can't tell me
where I have to take my garbage .... We feel under current code
we can require that.
Arkins/ We end up telling them...tell you the trucks that you are
going to be able to use on our streets... other ways to get at
that.
Neumann/ Either designate the whole thing or nothing ..... We are
just requiring where it is going to be disposed of and it. will
be a contract ..... We have no contracts with anybody right
now.
Kubby/ As we get closer to year 2000 ....
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Atkins/ What they bring in for those communities to reduce their
volumes .... The 0nly people motivated to cut the volume is the
landfill operator.
Kubby/ Not true...in Johnson Copnty, every single smaller town has
reduced their volume.
Atkins/ They are motivated from an economic standpoint ....
Kubby/ If the price goes up they will be paying less if they
reduce.
Arkins/
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Kubby/ We can't guarantee that the price will stay the same .....
Atki~s/ You are correct ....
Pigott/ So, we should do a meeting with these folks.
Arkins/ Ought to lay out for them the dilemma'that we find
ourselves in ...can't do an effective Job of planning the
landfill for the future ....
Horow/ I am certainly willing to work... to pull it off.
Neumann/ Comment on the collection site. You are talking about the
building and the toxic clean-up .... This affects that (refers
to chart).
Kubby/
Horow/
Lehman/ Steve, has Linda looked at this at all?
Arkins/ She is aware of the letter.
Neumann/ I kept her up to date...
Kubby/ Is there anything we need to be pushing for on the state
level...?
Atkins/ We have a letter drafted to send off to Mary Mascher
because Mary sits on the Environmental Committee....I think
the DNR...would say give me a rule...regulation that I can
enforce and these things won't happen.
Neumann/ DNR is basically stuck. They are doing their job .... they
couldn't deny it ..... They permitted it. It is the legislation
that is the problem.
Horow/ This reminds me so much of the water supply companies ....
Neumann/What we are pushing now is basically to either to have the
50% reduction rate dropped to 35% or extend the 2000 deadline
...... preliminary report that the Metro Waste Authority in
' Des Moines did ..... outlines .... this is what is .going to
-happe~ to us... cost us an average of $85 ton to get this
stuff done .... some of the legislature feels the higher the
tipping fee the better because it makes recycling look better
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· ....The study says either reduce the mandate or extend the
deadline...we are not going to reach 50% period .....
Horow/ That issue is going to be reported at the LGERC meeting 1st
of March .... Steve, ask you consider having one of the staff go
with.me...? This is something that LGERC is aggressive enough
to work with the DNR ....
Neumann/ Us working with the DNR is not worth it ..... DNR is very
defensive about this whole thing ....
Horow/
Neumann/ The entire issue they are still not going to do anything
about it .....
Arkins/ They are very accustomed to a very simple set of rules
..... very simple enforcement ....
Neumann/ Legislation waswritten in a perfect world .... they didn't
take into account all the different situations ..... a lot of
people working with them.
Atkins/ That is it. Garbage and dumps.
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Water and Sewer 95-30 S2
Atkins/ Hand these out to you and this is on water and sewer rates.
I want to step you through water and sewer !inancing
alternatives ..... there are certain assumptions figured into
this. I am just going to repeat them again. There is a (1)
time table and there are two critical elements to the time
table. 1- Accumulation of cash. 2o Construction ....... (2)
Inflation...we have assumed a 4% annual inflation rate for
both operating and construction costs. (3) Investment
income .... assumed that we will earn on our investments at
rate of 5% annually. (4) Bond market changes ...... no way to
predict that realistic. (5) Pay as you go?...has scads of
variance.....
I am going to start off with the water project. First column
of figures is FY95 ..... begin FY95 with cash balance of $1.9
million ..... increased water rates 40%...water sales for FY95
will amount to $3.970 million...total revenues .... $4.091
million. Expenses...$4.074 million .... all costs ..... We will
end the FY with $1.940 million ending balance.
Baker/ Built into this the anticipated decline in use?
Atkins/ No, usage was flat ..... we can do variables for you.
Lehman/ Steve you started out with $1.9 million and ended up with
$1.9 million.
Atkins/ We have debt that we are going to be selling...you will see
the change. Base construction figure that we are dealing with
is $50 million .... working towards .... $50 million will
increase annually with inflation.
Kubby/ Subtract your expense from total revenue in F¥95 and I don't
get $1.94-
Arkins/ Remember you had a beginning balance of $1.9 million ....
add those two together .... Important is that ending balance
...... We made the assumption ..... 10 years...for water project
...have enough cash in ten years to pay for the project we
have ~ight now, we will need $74 million ...... definition of
pay'as you go .....
Kubby/ Do these numbers account for any kind of improvements we
need to make to the current plant?
Arkins/ Yes, there are small capital projects in there.
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Kubby/ Collaboration with the University?
Arkins/ Nothing of any major consequences .... In F¥96 and every
year after...annually increase water rates .... 20% a year
...... (Refers to FY96 chart) So by year 2005...end of that
FY, you.would have $74 million in the bank .....
Kubby/
Atkins/
Throg/ If we built the project .... it would cost less than $74
million.
Atkins/ Pay as you go .... if are starting to pay off portions of the
project ..... 20% a year...inflation makes a $50 million
project cost you $74 million ..... So you need 40% which you
have already approved and you need 20% a tear for the next 9
years ..... Bottom of right hand page... in year 2006 you would
reduce the rates by about 50%...critical policy issue that you
have to think about on who is going to pay for these projects.
Horow/
Atkins/ In year 2005 we will have accumulated $74 million ..... you
are banking it .... We have a different idea for you on the
waste water. This is the one .... time to start putting the
money away.
Throg/ One alternative is to pay in phases .... 2-If you are
accumulating capital .... Instead of total cost being $74
million in current dollars .... Able to do is raise the rates
to generate $1 million .... interest income... factored into
this thing ..... In year 2006 we will assume that your capital
expenses are finished .....
Kubby/ We will have to continue to test for more things ....
Atkins/ If you have a 50% reduction in rates in the year
2006 .... cash balance of $13 million ...... To do this you
increase your rates 40%....then 20% a year. Okay? Now, since
you have got that notch-
Here is waste water. Same principle.. ..... Same principle
applies...wait ten years to build the waste water
improvements. Waste water is a $40 million project. By year
2005 it would be $60 million ..... need to accumulate $60
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million in
increase ....
translate?
cash .... F¥95 start increase..F¥05...have a '5%
shows rate increases to come up how does that
Horow/ Don't we assume that if we don't do this one now, we get a
penalty?
Atkins/ We use the word assume...assumptions ....
Kubby/ Could negotiate with our congressional delegation ...?
Atkins/ I am going to give you a rough policy issue in just a
moment...what assumptions do you want to make... settle in on
the assumptions... general idea of what you want ....
Handing out to you now Have all of these assumptions in
excruciating detail. Pay as you go for ten years. That is what
.you just saw. We factored in...water, wastewater and refuse
.... In FY95 that bill would be $45. In FY05 it would be $164.
In FY06 it will drop dramatically .... we did another option for
you.' Water, pay as you go, ten years. Wastewater we did 1/3,
1/3, 1/3...stretching it over three years .... $45...$138. We
then calculated a third option: water pay as you go over ten
years, wastewater immediately. There are your n~mbers.
Kubby/ Doesn't change that much.
Arkins/ On 1/3, 1/3, 1/3-just so you are aware, you will have a
spike in your rates .....
Kubby/ What would the rate increase be in F¥96 if we did it all in
96?
Pigott/ All of the wastewater.
Atkins/
Kubby/ Just the wastewater if we did it all in 96 ....
Yucuis/ Is'that straight cash?
Atkins/ Pay as you go for water and wastewater immediately.
Kubby/ What would the increase in the rate be from F¥957
Yucuis/ If you paid cash for everything in wastewater or financed
it .... 16oking at 40% ....
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Atkins/ 35 for 95, 40 ...... Think about this. Here I tried to come
up with wha% I thought were the four major policy issues for
you. The first is the future generation .... Secondly, do you
wish to separate the projects. Do you have a different policy
perspective from water as opposed to wastewater. Thirdly, can
we negotiate a revised construction scheduled based on
~plitting the projects and if so, what would be your guidance
to me in attempting to negotiate such a schedule. Fourth, the
general question...almost any kind of variation on the theme
that you want .... Ed Barker gave you a down payment. There is
not end to what you can do with those kinds of things .....
earlier rates that you saw were two big jumps and little ones
thereafter ..... remember your capital asset is at least 50
years ......
Kubby/ Are we going to make decisions tonight?
Arkins/ I need to have guidance from you ....
ideas.
If you have some
Baker/ Tell me again about the second policy position?
Arkins/ Do you wish to split the project? For example .... we have
currently with the DNR a schedule on wastewater. We do not
have a schedule on water. We know what the implications are.
Motivation for water and motivation for wastewater are
different. One is regulatory and ...100 year water plant ....
Baker/ So our ability to negotiate a flexible schedule is more
constrained on wastewater.
Arkins/ ff you are going to do anything, wastewater is where you
should devote your energies .... water project...you have the
discretion to do that ....
Baker/ Water.....you seemed to be tellingus that we don't have to
do a water project for ten years.
Atkin~. I did not say that. I am telling you you have different
motivations on these two projects. I happen to believe that
water. plant is put together with bubble ~ and baling wire
and that it will continue to be a risky operation ..... but we
are not now under orders to do it. We are in the process .....
Kubby/ ~erms of water guali~y...and sludge ....
Atkins/ There are environmental issues ....
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Horow/ Talking about doing both at the same time or splitting them
Arkins/ Discretfon is limited on wastewater and discretion is far
broader on water ....
Lghman/ .;.Idea .of drilling wells this coming summer and pumping
that water into the system...~ I would like us to see us split
the projects ....
Atkins/'I still have to come up with cash or borrowing to do that.
Lehman/ ...go ahead and raise rates .... moderate increases right
along .... I say you separate water and sewer.
Horow/ Start both at the same time ....
Lehman/ ....
Arkins/ You need to decide if you are going to split them or
consider them separately and I think there is an inclination
to do that. 2-If you want some renegotiation of time table and
construction schedules...you need to tell me that and you need
to tell me which one to go after. practically speaking, the
one to go after is wastewater because you have a ~egulatory
responsibility .... Your big water expense is the treatment
plant...suggested you have to consider this project as water,
source and treatment. I am hearing you suggest to me let's go
after the source improvements, wells systems ..... increase the
strain on the present plant ....
Lehman/ . ..
Atkihs/
Kubby/ I would like us to think about doing is doing a sludge
lagoon .... on the plant site that we have already bought .... 1-
increase the quality of water and 2- deal with the sludge ....
Arkins/ Process of treating wastewater is different than the
treatment process for water sludge.
Kubby/-I th'ink it can be mlxed...important question.
Atkins/ Big project happens to be the treatment plant,...
Pigott/
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Arkins/What is your obligation to future generations in sharing in
· these costs...? Ed's suggestion was let's make a down
payment ....
Kubby/ ...willing to say let's borrow half of it ....
Atkins/ If you gave me direction such as that, we could prepare
some things ..... I want to re4uce my borrowing costs by half.
How do I do that?
Kubby/ If we wait a few years
that we have to invest
going ....
to do the plant, there is still X
in our current plant to keep us
Arkins/ You will always be investing in that plant .....
Kubby/ Can we do the lab work with that current facility?
Arkins/
Lehman/ I can't imagine that plant lasting another ten years. I
think this idea...doing..as we go along.
Throg/ Three observations...real important to have a side by side
comparison of borrowing versus the cost of paying as you
go ..... 2- It seems there are ways to save money even given
what you have presented us with ..... I think we should be
trying to connect construction of the water system,' phasing in
the construction of the water system.
Arkins/ Phases with ¢ash...borrowing ....
Throg/ 3- Raise possibility of having a tap on fee to pay for part
of the costs of the plant .... received some short memo ....
Arkins/ I will get that.
Throg/
Horow/ Any are here for going for the wastewater treatment right
off the bat?
Throg/ I don't like making any decision on the basis of an oral
conversation over a space of 20 minutes that involves $134
million ..... I am not going to...
Arkins/ Give you ideas along the way .... I am hearing some
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borrowing and some pay as you go .... building in phases.
Throg/ All I am looking for is some signal from you aboutwhat kind
of decision you are looking for tonight.
Atkins/ I would like to know fairly quickly if I have got to
negotiate with wastewater ..... 2-You do not feel the pressure
to do the water plant as fast as we had originally proposed.
If you are telling me that, that is fine, I can then step back
'and do a lot of the things that you are doing ..... resha~ing
issues associated with water .... buying some time...if you are
telling me that then I feel real good tonight.
Kubby/ I really want to do the water plant because the water
quality needs to be improved .... And what it seems that is
happening...feds who is dictating our decisions...rather do
the water plant first .... At same time...75% increase next year
is not attractive .... ten year thing...hybrid pay as you go
and some borrowing...and phased construction .....
Lehman/ May change when we drill the wells. The sewer plant, we
can't keep dumping that crap in the river .... really should get
on with it.
Baker/
Lehman/ Can you phase in the sewer plant?
Arkins/ I can phase the financing by doing some short term ....
DNR .... construction...up to us to finance it.
Lehman/ Can that be phased?
Atkins/ The construction, probably not. Not near as easy as the
water project.
Kubby/ Look at 1/3, 1/3, and 1/3 .... difference is very small...or
postponing it ...argues for doing it ....
Throg/ What I am shaking my head about has to do with process. My
understanding was we were going to have a for~m in another
month .... staff...ideas...responses to questions .... If we
decide tonight what to 4o with regard
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Kubby/. The memos are done about. the 'technical part...other
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parto..Was the financing mechanisms ....
Throg/ If you are looking for some tentative decision .... as a
proposed response and we wanted the public to react... If you
are looking for a firm decisioD then-
Arkins/ I understand the issue of March. When we had our
hearings .... we had a financing proposal, two big increases
and level off after that .... people said to you .... we want to
see other options. There is no end to the options we Can
prepare .... how many you want is really very much up to you.
On our meeting of the 29th...if you are doing anything
different from what that original hearing was, we should
articulate that clearly... because that is a different
strategy .... I think we have to put something up there that
says we have talked about it.
Pigott/
Arkins/ The public is not going to be able to design a financing
plan for you at the miorophone...I think you have to give them
a target... I heard folks say let's pay as you go ..... rates
are obscene ....
Kubby/ My drothers to outline what was proposed originally .... have
all the assumptions be the same .... then you have another
sheet and what the rates would be in 05 and-06 ....
Arkins/ I can give you that...
Arkins/ Remember you don't have to come down in middle ground... I
can prepare the simplified version...pay as you go, assuming
this, here is your rates.,..pay as you go, 1/3, 1/3, 1/3, ....
work through a couple of options but not the whole myriad of
options. I do think I would like to have something prepared
that is at least you are uomfortable with and that is what I
am trying to hear ....
Kubby/ After the forum we may shift a little here and a little
there after we get some feedback.
Atkins~ ...I want to make sure that ~ was on board.
Kubby/ It would be interesting to .outline the policy issues,
especially the first one. Does the community want the current
or future to pay for-
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Atkins/ That is a real critical issue. What else do you need to
know from me?
Horow/ You have got essentially a majority here in terms of going
with the wastewater project first, tentatively as we have
described it. Will it be helpful if we also give you an
indication about the speed or the concept about the water
other.than just the wells. Where are you on this.
Atkins/ Don't hold me to. wells as opposed to lagoons ....
Horow/ In terms of timing for financing.
Atkins/ I am staying with the ten years. We talked about ten year
· financing ..... need that reference point...by year 2005, this
is all going to be done.'
Nov/ Can we also think about a shorter time frame? Five years?
Throg/ Then you would have to borrow all the money.
Nov/
Arkins/ Sure ....
Horow/
Arkins/ When we did this ten year pay as you go and we saw those
rates.'...no way the council going to accept that .... We also
needed to have for you a framework for decision making .... I
am okay .... I will re-work these things for you. I will get a
schedule of should I do water first as opposed to lagoons
first .... 10-12 major projects.
Horow/ Would there be any value in looking at less than 10 years,
not necessarily 5...?
Atkins/ If you are willing to borrow.
Pigott/ What if we were willing to borrow half?
Atkins/ Jim asked for pay as you go and borrow and somewhat of a
sidh by side comparison. I am not real sure how to do that but
I think I know what you want from me. Karen suggested cutting
our bor~o~ing costs by half. So I can deal with that ....
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Lehman/ I~ we raise our rates i~ a reasonable fashion...keep our
options open .... I have a problem with putting a definite time
frame.
Atkins/ I think we have to have some reasonable rate plan .....
think yo~ need to demonstrate some sort of a plan that shows
those rates.
Lehman/ I think we have to collect that money ....
Baker/ The thing I want to get clear in my mind is what is driving
our decision .... the public is more concerned about money ....
t0 years on a pay as you go .... the less money borrowed .....
Atkins/
Baker/ Six months ago I was hearing regulptory ....
Arkins/ On wastewater there is regulatory pressure.
Baker/ If we can phase in water-
Atkins/ My concern on water still remains risk .... public health
issue .... DNR is geared up to take care of it .... they have
not geared up for water ....
Lehman/
Atkins/ Ours is old...have to put out more public notices... new
regulations saying what you were drinking is no gopd anymore
Kubby/ Can we get that figure as to how we will have to invest in
the plant and how long it will last and What this may end up
doing is being assertive with the University...? How can we
make it happen...? So capacity is there over a ten year period
with the University .... We should be pulling them to the table.
Throg/ I assume when you come back to us with the financing
proposal for the water. portion of this, that the total will. be
less than $74 million?
Arkins/ We will reshape that option. $74 million was the'extreme
Throg/ I want to repeat the tap on fee. I think it is pretty
important...
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Arkins/ If Linda says we can do it and we can show a demonstration,
I will include that as a revenue item. That is where we would
show that.
Kubby/ Why would that ~e different.than the sewer tap on fee?
Atkins/Myunderstanding was establishing %he benefit. What portion
of the plant ....
Lehman/
Arkins/
Horow/ How does that affect the development also...that has to be
thought about ....
Throg/ People in businesses should pay for their fair portion of
the cost of the new plant ....
Horow/ Price them right out Of the market.
Throg~
Pigoft/
Horow/
Arkins/ I am done .... I have no more to present to you .... specific
questions.
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General Discussion 95-31 Sl
1. Kubby/ (Whispering Meadows). I have a question about tomorrow
night. I want to make sure %hat people living in the southeast
side of town .... to make sure the Grant Wood Neighborhood
Association knows that the p.h. is happening ....
Atkins/ We will call some of the people-
Kubby/
Atkins/'We will call people tomorrow.
Horow/ (DTA-Friday Night Concerts). We received a letter last
week from the Friday Night Concerts... I was joking about Aid
to the Arts .... As we look at the performing arts being bumped
at the national scene I think repercussion come down to the
local level as well...last time we discussed it...Aid to
Agencies...very severe scrutiny in terms of theirbudgetwhich
certainly .... arts can't particularly tell us who their
clients are, what their income is...what is your thought about
'this? This is a philosophical discussion...about funding
performing arts requests ....
Pigott/ Right about...certain other organizations go through a
screening... I am also interested in looking at CVBmoneys and
h o w w e c a n r e f o r m u 1 a t e s om e o f
those ..... iDterested...rearranging some of our CVB funding to
go specifically for these sorts of things.
Kubby/ .... looking at the 25% that CVB currently gets and saying
let's earmark some for local festivals as economic development
and you figure out how you decide who gets how much money.
Horow/ Challenge you ...look at budgets of Rec Center, Police
Department, UAY .... the Friday Night Concert...deliberate
attempt to mitigate the impact of transient population...
Pigott/ ...right to some degree ....
Horow/-Do we supplant seed money from the Chamber...? Do we turn
around and substitute ongoing finances for these groups and
what if some other organizations come...?
Pigott/ If we have a structure...figure out where that money would
be distribute .... look at the bottoms lines...budgets...impact
on community...true evaluation process .... maybe CVB is the
place to do it ....
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Throg/.Your suggestion is to designate a portion of the CVB for
specific kinds of arts. You are not talking about a new pot of
money?
Pigott/ Not at all...investigating taking a portion of the Hotel
Motel Tax that is currently goes to CVB for those... future
b~dget years.
Lehman/ I agree...CVB...req~.ire them to spend a certain percentage
of their budget on locally generated events .... On the merits
of the events let them decide on who they are going to
subsidi~e ....
Nov/
Pigot~/ Unless we set up a committee on the arts .... like CCN ....
Horow/ Right now the money from ~VB...also supplemented by
.... police .....
Baker/ .... one source of funds...CVB'...or extra money... projected
.... If you want to change CVB...change in a policy for
them... find out where they have been spending their money ....
City did seem to becoming the pocket of first choice. I would
like the city to be the pocket for last choice ....
Kubby/
Pigott/
Horow/ In talking about Chamber people...it was seed money .... Do
we realistically expect the arts to go on their own.
Baker/ Set up some sort of permanent fund...based upon their.CVB
income ....
Horow/ They come %o us and we review it or-
Kubby) Or CVB-
Horow/ ~ssuming CVB's board will Say okay....
Kubby/ Choice may be to either do it or not do it ..... We have
already sent out this letter'to them saying we want $5,000 for
the Jazz Festival and $5,000 for Iowa Arts Festival .....
Horow/ Has the CVB Board confabbed about this?
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Arkins/ That is all I know-
Nov/ The Board is meeting tomorrow.
Victoria Gilpih/ I appreciate...this oonversation...grand idea ....
Like to say I know you all got a letter from myself and John
...... We don't spend any money on advertising .... Friday Night
concerts... I have a letter that we received from a citizen...
other to c0nfir~ we won't be paying out any of our resources
... for advertising .... Our entire budget, money that we
receive, is only spent on musicians ..... My mu~iness...support
Jazz Festival .... We did start Friday Night Concert Series to
address a very negative influence on the plaza d.t .....
Concerts alone have made a dramatic impact on d.t ...... We
stopped having the concerts after the first year...because
families stopped coming to them .... We run this...first of
May..through first of September...encourage a safe and
friendly atmosphere d.t ..... side benefit from that...Iowa
state Bank...retired couple...come down almost every single
Friday night .... they love these concerts .... These people
spend money d.t ..... Our appeal...contracts that we have ....
donated bylawyer...more store, my staff .... completely run the
entire concert series. We pay absolutely no one to do
anything .... I think that shows support...Police Department
provides two additional officers every single Friday night ....
The Police Department has been very supportive ....
Horow/ When are you going to have burnout? .... DTA really look for
people to take on what you have done.
Gilpin/ Jim Swain and I...grant...Crime Bill...pay intern...help
withConcert Series... they will do the organizational work...
We have a sound man this year .... Article in the Gazette...
different festival... this concert series brings in much more
people ..... We are not competing with any businesses .... many
businesses are staying open on Friday nights .... We will be
· ' doing an extended mailing ..... Have a committee meeting this
year .... divided up the duties .... DTA .... committed to
event .... Everyone knows certain things...every Fri~
ni~ht...same time .... a given-.... You know that this is going
to happen .... not political and not promotional...
Nov/ Who are your contributors at this point?
Gilpin/ We sent out letters last year .... first letter was sent out
to DTA members .... second letter was sent out to d.t.
restaurants ...they benefit the most... This year we will have
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t~ose letters .... March 1 .... In addition to that we will be
changing...working on sending out...letter to Chamber members
and also to a list of concerned citizens ..... I do have people
ask me .... Press Citizen has.agreed to publish a series of ads
that will give you a way to donate to the Concert Series if
you like ..... Last year .... mailed out...block captains on each
of the blocks d.t... I personally went to every single
business .... Majority of money is raised from d.t.
businesses .....
Horow/ Would you be again=t having a letter like this be sent to
the neighborhood associations .... newsletter...? Check with
Marcia Klingaman .... We will discuss this. This year we don't
have the ability to fund this...we have got the ability ....
Lehman/ I think 'the big question is a matter of policy .... Bruno's
idea...if we require that the CVB fund a certain percent of
their budget locally every year, everybody will compete for
that funding ..... using CVB tax dollars .... I think this...the
Friday Night Co~certs probably overall do more good than
either of the two programs that we have talked about even
though they are very very nice ....
Nov/ From the point of view of the CVB...they do not believe a
festival such as this is the way their money ought to be
spent.
Gilpin/ ..... what happened on the plaza a couple of years ago ....
CVB...not sure if they don't understand what is going on.
Horow/ They have a...difference between what
Iowa City...versus what comes in and
region ....
impacts locally in
impact the whole
Gilpin/ ...if you look at the surveys..people not staying in the
hotels ....
Horow/
Nov/ They choose to spend their budget on advertising...the claim
is we fund local events ....
Gilpin/ ..~.I think this couple...at Iowa State Bank...d.t.
businesses...perception...kids and students...by creating an
event that makes seniors and families feel comfortable... once
you come d.t ....
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Kubby/ What would happen .... what if we said we are going to take
$10,000 more out of that $180- and put $110- into contingency
and funded these two other events for this year...and next
year... f~gure out the thing with the CVB and they 'are going
to have to apply to them .... $5,000.
Nov/ We have already said we are going to commit $5,000 to this
festival and $5,000 to that festival...there will be three
more festivals coming in ....
?igott[ We can ~ay this year..these are the four ....
Horow/ Farmer's Market ....
Pigott/
Baker/ Made decision ...with CVB...What is it that you told CVB for
those two festivals.
Kubby/ $10,000 of your budget ....
Horow/ Have to take this $10,000 and split it between the Jazz
Festival andArts Festival. They haven't answered us yet as to
whether or not they are going to do it.
Nov/ They are going to yell at me tomorrow.
Baker/ Say the same thing for D.T. Friday Night Concert Series ....
direct more money from that source.
Nov/ That is not being realistic.
Pigot~/ This is what makes Iowa City special.
Nov/
...have to propose that we fund this festival...I want to see
a complete budget before I commit any amount of money. We did
not see that for the iowa Festival .... I refuse to do it again
without seeing a c~mplete budget.
Gilpin/ ...Last year the Jazz Festival actually came out ahead ....
Nov/ See why I am asking for budgets and financial statements.
Pigott/ Don't have a structure for review of budgets and so
fourth... that is one of the things we do have to look at down
the line .... I don't have a problem saying this year .... first
phase of setting up a structure..° we are going to take you
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for your word .... Going to get our moneys worth plus some from
these people ....
Nov/ ...I am' saying that you have a responsibility..;.because we
are spending tax money ....
Pigott/ We are spending it anyway...that money is going to CVB ....
Lehman/ They may be a better judge of where the money is beet
spent ....
Horow/ Where did you come up with $7,500?
Gilpin/ our total budget is $20,000 but $6,000 of that is in-kind
advertising...$14,000 is 10~% funds that go to pay the
musicians and sound .... We asked for $7,500 .... originally ....
Committee meeting .... when we saw in the paper that you
suggested the $5,000 for the other two .... this'had much
broader appeal...18 weeks... we would ask for more...difficult
to fund raise last year .... Hope to do better this year...
Throg/ What is to keep anybody else from reading in the
paper..decided to give...$5,000 for Friday Night Concert
Series...
Gilpin/ ...Iowa Arts Festival is a very established festival...Jazz
Festival... Friday Night Concert Series is
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Gilpin/ If you want to have some basis for this year .... city wide
appeal .... I am pretty well of aware of what is going on...
Throg/ Maybe not some other festival
organization .... other activity...
but some other
Horow/...Science Center has been'after us...
Throg/
Kubby/ .... CVBgot $10,000 mor~ this year...de¢ided conscientiously
to split it in half ....
~orow/
Kubby/ Rules had changed under CVB...only grants are much
smaller...only for advertising outside of 50 mile...
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Nov/ They were going for advertising money ....
Kubby/....there was some reason ....
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Horow/ ! would have looked at ...which groups had come...
Kubby/ .....
Nov/ We came to it late at night and very quickly ....
Gilpin/ One of the things that continues to set us apart...is the
fact this concert series came out of a partnership between the
DTA, social service clubs, the Police Department~...original
'meeting...very very concerned about our d.t ..... festival
exceeded our wildest hopes .... influence .... Pretty huge impact
Nov/ ...You are doing something here for Friday night...
Gilpin/ The Police Department is at our meetings all of the time.
They are telling us that the groups that were thinking of
establishing some basis in Iowa City are not doing that
anymore .... DTA .... prime city... we think the business people
should spearhead this...
Pigott/ I am for it. Let's take another $5,000...and do it. Let's
give them ....
Kubby/ I say take it out of the contingency.
Horow/ I do, too.
Throg/ I would not take it out of CVB.
Lehman/ I wouldn't either.
Kubby/ Would you give $5- out of contingency this year only and
then in the meantime get a system going in CVB for
competition.
Lehman/
Horow/ $5- out of contingency.
Throg/ I would do it out of contingency and not out of CVB.
Nov/ Where did we get this five? .... We are giving them 1/4 of their
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budget ....
Throg/Another issue...we shouldn't be making this decision in this
way ..... What we have here...¢ouple people from DTA...
request .... with no other choices in front of us... allocating
money in a way that sakes sense for the city as a whole .... We
don't know that we are comparing it to.
Horow/
Baker/ Merits of this request.
Throg/
Pigott/ Tell Steve, is there some creative way we can get $5,000
for these folks?
Arkins/ Council travel.
Pigott/
Arkins/ If you are going to do it, contingency is where it should
come from.
Nov/ ...have to say this is a one time ....
Kubby/ We are going to discuss it with CVBwhether they want to do
it or whether we are going to need to do it if they won't do
it and that 25% may change next year. We need to continue to
discuss this overall issue.
Nov/ The.other arts folks in town are going to come back and ask
for money. I promise that.
Horow/ Anything else?
Lehman/ We are going to have to do something about the deer in
this co~munity .... There are plaoes...problems... We got to
think about this .... DNR ....
Atkins~
Lehman/
Kubby/ Animal control Advisory Committee ....
Throg/ Let's direct it to them.
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Horow/ Steve, direct it ....
4. Atkin~/ Have you ~een this (Gazette article). All I want to
know...came from under -the auspices of the Iowa City
Homebuilders Legislative Com]aittee, Harvey Wehde and I don't
believe that the Homebuilders Association would say these
things .... nonsense...we don't have anythingremotely close to
that .....
Horow/ When we have the budget hearing...Can I throw you some
questions ....
Adjourned: 9:05 PM
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