HomeMy WebLinkAbout1995-03-20 TranscriptionMarch 20, 1995 Council Work Session Page
March 20, 1995 Council Work Session 6:30PM
council: Horow, Kubby, Lehman, Nov, Pigott, Throg. Absent: Baker.
Staff: Atkins, Woito, Karr, Franklin, Schoon.
Tapes: 95-38, Side 2; 95-41, all; 95-42, Side 1.
Economic Development Policy Discussion 95-38 S2
1. Sustainable Economic Development.
Horow/ Acknowledge a couple of guests that we have in the audience.
Mayor Rose Kabuye ...... Rwanda and her assistant... Peter
Masamorwa, also from Rwanda .... our Planner is Karin Franklin
in the front row here.
Like to start, Steve .... keep on schedule...maybe half hour for
each item.
Atkins/ I listed these five specific items. 1. Sustainable
economic development was an issue that you wish be brought to
you .... summary memo .... 2. Economic development policies and
strategies .... we would like some confirmation of those
policies ..... 3. 1995 Economic development activities .... a
work program. 4. Industrial park, I will kind of step you
through where we are in the process of that development ....
5. Industrial park/financial assistance criteria. Whether you
accept the kind of two approaches. We understood... zone the
land industrial, be required to fulfill the requirements of I-
1 zoning and then any agency, group, company...seeking
financial assistance, we would establish financial criteria
that you would use to apply .... Here to listen to what you all
have to say.
Throg/
Atkins/
Throg/ I have a reaction to the seven policies that you presented
us with and to just get the general point out on the floor. I
am really quite supportive .... praise you and David for the
memo .... All strike me as being a positive step in the right
direction. Policy 1, 4A, and 4C need to be revised to
incorporate the principles of sustainability ..... I would
urge us-
Arkins/
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Throg/ Policy l, 4A, and 4C.
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Atkins/ Oh, Policy 1 in general and then-
Throg/ Strategy A and Strategy C within Policy 4.
Atkins/ We will step through these.
Kubby/ Why don't we have a general discussion about this issue of
sustainable development ..... ?
Horow/ I did appreciate this...very helpful .....
Kubby/ I really hope that we will go in this kind of direction ....
I have not been very active on economic development issues
because I haven't really liked the non-directive way that we
have been doing it .... results weren't something that I would
have wanted to promote specifically ..... With this, to me this
is very positive .... the way to get there is very positive ....
The one thing that I would like to make sure that we don't
lose focus of is how public input can be part of the
sustainability of our policies ..... I want that educational
component to be on the front end so that we can .... ownership
and support of these policies from the public and help us
guide us.
Horow/ Question... public input from
view .... Or specific businesses or
come into the city .... ?
philosophical point of
industries that wish to
Kubby/ All of the above and some stuff in between .... part of that
discussion started with the task forces ..... Not only on the
philosophical idea of what is sustainable economic development
and do we want to take on these principles as our guiding
forces. But also about these specific policies as well as
having public input whenever there are public monies involved
Horow/ How do you balance the need for confidentiality, the need
for a somewhat hasty response when you are dealing with a
business ..... wooing of businesses?
Throg/ I am confused about where the conversation is going...
focuses on a particular topic? Sustainable development...,
Kubby/ What I am saying is for me, part of a sustainable economic
development program includes this process that helps make it
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a broader definition of sustainable development ...... Public
input about the concept of sustainable economic development
and the policies happens way before any specific industry
comes in ..... I think that someone that is going to end
getting hundreds of thousands of dollars of tax abatements
should have to go through some kind of public process .....
with the understanding that there are certain amount of last
minute hastiness at the end of the process and some
confidentiality .... need to balance those two things ....
Nov/ On the Festival thing, I thought we were going to see this
years budget .... for current $5,000.
Kubby/ As a point, if we are making a local festival .... if we are
saying if you are going to get $5,000 from us, we have to see
a detailed budget ..... That the least we could do if someone
is getting hundreds of thousands of dollars of tax
abatement...
Throg/ I completely support the idea of having a participatory
process with regard to this idea of sustain development ....
Several months ago I proposed creating a commission on
economic development...? I would like to suggest that we
create a temporary ..... commission on sustainable economic
development that has a specific focus, a specific agenda...
direct it to accomplish two specific tasks. 1. To integrate
the philosophy of sustainability into Policies 1 & 4. And the
other is to propose specific strategies to carry out Policy
5 ..... include... people who served on the vision task force
for economic development .... expect that there be a public
participation process in what they are doing ....
Pigott/ Ought to step back as a group and talk about the concept of
sustainable development .... and what are the positions out
there .... Ernie... how do you see this idea of sustainable
economic development...? I don't know whether or not we really
like the idea or not ..... I want to hear ....
Lehman/ All things being equal... sustainable growth is preferable
to non-sustainable ..... I think it is very nebulous ....
interpretation is really kind of way out there .... public
input... from a practical standpoint, when the time comes when
we have somebody interested in purchasing property, that is
not the time for public input. If we have decided on the rules
and regulations .... that has to be handled administratively.
It cannot be handled in public .... If you have this commission
and you set up the rules, we certainly can administer the
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rules we set up and we can do that confidentially .....
Throg/ I didn't mean to suggest that this commission on economic
development would review every application ....
Lehman/ ...to set. up the guidelines.
Nov/ I really prefer guidelines .....
Pigott/ What is wrong with us saying these are the parameters in
which we. establish business that come into our community or
aiding businesses .....
Nov/
I think that you cannot be absolute and rigid about
sustainable development ..... We can say we will show you how
you can do more paper recycling after you are here .... energy
conservation... I don't want us to get to a point where we
will exclude somebody based on a list of very serious rules.
I think these ought to be guidelines.
Horow/ My-concern is the difference between inclusive versus
exclusive ......
Kubby/ But there are certain cases... business... find out later
their turnover rate is 60% a year... some things that maybe
are rules and some things maybe that are guidelines ....
Horow/ Karen, we have had this discussion about health benefits
before and I personally believe that a family .... co-insured
Lehman/ I would rather pay a third of my income for health
insurance and have two thirds left to spend for something else
than have no income at all.
Kubby/ By the time you pay for child care .... Maybe make's a
difference if we are zoning something or whether they are
getting public money ..... much higher level of scrutiny that
we should...for public money to put on businesses~ .... Idea of
what is sustainable. Our society is not sustainable if
industries.are coming here and not doing energy conservation
...... These are the kind of concepts in the position paper.
Lehman/ I agree with you. I don't think we can do things that make
a industry to put them at a competitive disadvantage. They are
competing within their own industry
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Kubby/ . . .
..... Dlstlnctlon...whether there is public monies involved
or not .... held up to a higher standard ....
Horow/ Words'and concept of it .... I Would prefer to see us .... we
have the responsibility to go to the Homebuilders Association
...... Service organizations and talk about this... get
examples~... If companies come in. being exclusive...
maturation period .... ''
Kubby/ We exclude everyday by every law and rule we create. · We
make decisions ......
Pigore/ What I hear you saying is you don't have a problem with the
concept of sustainable development. ~t ' '
is lmplementin~ it
through restrictions on development which you may object~to.
Horow/ ,~he restrictions on the criteria .
ra~ner go at it t~ .... ~ .,. to review ....
,~vu~u a poelely I Would
companies that we have...ass' h~m e way of the 'existing
~st t .......
Pigot~/ What about providing a carrot in .
industrial ark ~ .... ~erms of whether '
P or ....... say~n t~ ' . it ~s
you X .... I hear-you ob~ecti~ ~t~l~yo%~o this, we give
~ ~ ~v ~ negative approach to
sustainable development..;... You get X, y
city if You promote sustainable development~.~d Z from.the
Kubby/ .....
Lehman/ Excellent...if we have incentives for various things ....
Throg~ The whole CEBA grant idea is ' . .
~.~t,is by nature, selective to Pr~de incanelves, isn't
~.~ulxylng the criteri~ ~,, ~'~"' a~l we would be doin~ ~
what those specific ~:~nl~n we are being selectiu~~ ~
am ready to foc,,~ ~.~ria snould be .... I don't ,,__~Ti''
do, right at this g n on that now. What I Would like to
point, is try to be clear about this idea of
sustainable development and see if we can buy into the notion
of committing ourselves to it as part of our overall economic
development policy ....
Kubby/ Maybe we need to get specific. On page 3...
Horow/ I Would not want it to be exclusive .....
Throg/ Where I thought we were at was talking about the policies.
Horow/ For me is focusing on exclusivity versus inclusivity ....
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open to promoting these but I am not going to su~m~arily s~y
don't even bother.
Throg/
Horow/ Some are going to be on that borderline and I want to make
sure we don't automgtically say no.
Kubby/ If there is a piece of ground that is zoned, we have no
control in who comes into our borders ....
Pigott/ We are talking about when somebody comes to us .... We are
not talking about the other side... When we go out .... One of
the approaches .... neat to be able to go out...say if you come
to our city... We would target X, Y, Z companies or industries
or groups ..... We are willing to give you incentives to come
to our city because you do energy efficiency, reusable waste
Horow/ If we got to that point .....
Pigerr/ Let's do a proactive policy saying these are the instances
where we will give you incentives to come to our community
..... provide incentives .... I am afraid we get caught in this
polarization ..... We have got to think of the proactive ....
Throg/ One of the points in David's memo is to suggest that we try
to encourage...support business that would produce goods and
services that are needed by local businesses .... Build up from
what is already here
Horow/ With .that I am in total agreement of ..... promote the
enlarging of existing industry ....
Lehmah/ All saying the same thing in different ways ..... probably
agree that we don't want to turn someone down because they
don't happen' to meet one part of the guidelines .... But if
they expect to get an incentive for the city, they need to
follow the various things that we select.
Kubby/
Lehman/ These things are desirable and for companies that have
these attributes, we are willing to make some concessions
possibly of public moneys. But we are not saying, no you can't
come, if you don't meet these.
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Pigott/ Sayiqg let's go get those companies.
Nov/ I really don't want us to go out and entice somebody to moye
fr'om one county to another because we are offering some
economic incentives .... I really think if a company wants
to... build somewhere anyway and we are saying that this is
something that fits within. Iowa City, that is a whole other
idea.
Kubby/ That is the scenario that I have been talking about. That we
have this criteria, we go out and we look at what companies
that have these criteria are currently expanding in the
markets .... and target those for industry that we want to come
in .... For me, it would be the floor level, the most basic and
fundamental thing we could do is make sure our people are as
strong as they can be .....
Lehman/ ICAD is doing that now.
Throg/ Do they direct attention toward improving local businesses?
Lehman/ I am not sure .....
Kubby/ I thought the city's role is supporting the Chamber and ICAD
was more in recruiting new businesses and Chamber roles was
expansion of local ..... I see a bunch of shaking of heads.
Horow/ Okay, let's move onto the next area.
2. Economic Development Policies and Strateqies
Horow/ Steve, do you want to work on this?
Atkins/ Act as facilitator and step you through this. Assuming you
read them. We did try to weave in some of the sustainable
economic development ideas .... Also wanted to rely upon
existing position we had...comp plan ....
Horow/
Throg/ My general question. I don't see the sustainable notion
being woven in in Policy 17 I do see it elsewhere .... Be a
little bit more explicit. David's memo points to a distinction
between growth and development and I think will suggest that
not all growth is good but I am all for development. The
policy, the wording of the policy which comes out of 1989
update, the wording talks about growth and it talks about
increasing property tak base. It doesn't talk about
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development, doesn't talk about that development being
~ustainable. So that is why I would like to see us have this
commission'come in and do some work on this policy. Revising
-it,.working on it, modify it to make it more consistent with
the idea of sustainable.
Atkins/ I'think it is terminology. When we lifted the policy of the
comp plan "compatible with existing businesses and industry"
we thought had a flavor of sustainable economic development in
· it. Strategy A: Identifying groups that are compatible with
the community .... arguing semantics .... doing that.
Throg/ I will identify the words that I read differently, "(2)
Attracting industries that have growth potential" .... imagine
many 'industYies that have growth potential that I personally
would not particularly like to attract in Iowa City.
Arkins/ Again, this is lifted from the comp plan .... If you choose
the amend that, that is certainly your call. But we tried to
use a little bit of the old... attracting industries that have
growth potential. If you have a disagreement with that, it
ultimately.will be reflected in the comp plan amendments that
yourput together ..... reluctant to kind of change that because
we felt that was adopted policy.
Horow/ It seems to me that the opposite of growth is no growth in
this particular situation ..... The word growth doesn't have
the same meaning to me as it does to you...
Throg/ A particular kind of industry could help .ov~-consume
depletable non~renewable resources, like coal ..... , o~ it
could help to deplete renewable resources like forests ......
Third, they could overwhelm the capacity of naturalsystems to
accommodate waste. A firm.'..could be part of destruction of
natural world global. So the whole notion of sustainable
development is connected .... trying to integrate natural
systems with the economy. So you could have a striving economy
without harm to the natural world.
Horow/ ..... The industries that I look at to invest in are smarter
than that ..... not going to cut off their resources to produce
their product .....
Pigott/ ...do it on a city level .... So long as that growth doesn't
come at the expense of some of the things that Jim had talked
about.
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Throg/ Think about savings and income. Imagine savings to stand for
clean water, clean air, coal...natural systems .... you want to
spend no more than your annual income .... If you spend more
than you make each year you start depleting your savings ....
What I am suggesting is not living off our savings but living
off oursincome.
Kubby/ When we get down to the nitty gritty... good to have words
that we all feel comfortable with and are clear in the
~nderstanding ... we all know what the words mean to the group
Horow/ To me, right now, the words sustainable development is a red
flag .... I feel uncomfortable using it.
Pigott/ .... what I hear Jim talking about...it has to be sustainable
growth.
Lehman/ May be some development .... that may be desirable that may
not be totally sustainable. I don't know we close that
door ..... our aim is development, responsible and as much as
possible sustainable .... I don't think we can say that we
absolutely would not consider something that isn't totally
sustainable.
Kubby/ Most businesses are not 100% sustainable.
Throg/ As a policy we could be promoting sustainable development.
Lehman/
Horow/ ..... Development ' and growth doesn't need the word
sustainable because 100% of the time it is not sustainable.
Kubby/ There are sustainable...characteristics ....
Horow/ Can't have a long involved conversation with people in this
ci{y in terms of sitting them down and explaining the
philosophy of sustainable development every time you go and
talk about the city's economic policies ........
Kubby/ Sustainable economies...keeps up with the times as new
products come on line...new resources are d~veloped ....
example, IIGE is exploring wind power .... We have more
potential for wind generation in this state than California
per acre .... Things change .... businesses .... change what they
do...use ~hem more efficiently .... doesn't mean that they are
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stagnant ..... Systems that are mono-6ulture don't last long.
Systems that don't have constant energy inputs fade out
through entropy ..... I think you are not connecting somehow.
Horow/ If I am not connecting that makes me
don't think I am that far off from the
street.
concerned because I
normal person on the
Lehman/ I don't think we are disagreeing.
Horow/ Looking for language that are not red flagged .....
Kubby/ We can term it whatever we want as long as we agree on the · concepts .....
Pigott/ You are worried about job, employment, market ~hare in the
companies that you looked at ..... What I hear people saying is
we are not against increased market share ..... increased
employment. What we are looking for is that within the
boundaries of sustainability in terms that are talked about in
· this mem~ ......
Horow/ Let's continue, Jim-
Throg/ The only other thing..'.'idea of commission which could thrash
out some of these issues with regard to sustainability and
help ~s to be more clear.
Horow/ I feel like I am always negative .... wind up taking their
recommendations and thrash them out here. I would rather that
we thrash these things out rather than have a commission.
Throg/ .... Most of the time we accept what they recommend without
any discussion or debate at all. Sometimes we don't. In this
particular issue, why not take advantage of the fact that we
have a University here with some really skilled people and
involve them in this process .... bright and active community
who are interested in developing the economy ..... Why not give
the public an opportunity to become involved ....
Horow/ Because .... we have been dragging Our heels on clear economic
development statements and I think the citizens want us to
make a decision ..... I think it is just one more dragging of
the heels.
Throg/ ..... I like the thrust of what Steve gave us. I am willing
to support virtually everything in there ..... } think we can
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act on these policies. What I want to encourage us to do is
appoint'this other group of people to thrash out some of the
issues involved in sustainability so that this can be modified
over time .....
Lehman/ I would like to see ICAD's Board .... have them go through
this and come back .... these are the folks who are dealing
with potential people coming to Iowa City ..... I would really
like their reaction ....
Kubby/ Their perspective may be diverse but from a business
perspective .... I don'% see ICAD. as diverse as a community
task force .....
Lehman/ I agree with that.
Kubby/ I would not want that to be exclusive feedback ....
Nov/ They have not only business people. They have University
~people on -there also .... combination of University and
business people ..... Have this kind of thing going to a
University professor or University class of some sort.
Reluctant, however, to set up another commission. I think that
we have so much of this already done. We should hand it out
for public comment rather than say a commission should redo
it.
Horow/ ......
Kubby/ I am interested in getting Coralville and North Liberty and
other jurisdictions around us involved in ...... make it more of
a regional concept.
Nov/ ICAD 'is the regional organization ....
Kubby/ I would like us to promote other jurisdictions...
Horow/
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Horow/ Their city councils might not be compatible with these
ideas. Steve Lacina have been trying to figure out how to do
this with a breakfast with the mayors...talk about economic
development issues ..... Difficult trying to get everybody
together.
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Kubby/ What we are trying to do is develop policies that we can
direct ICAD.
Horow/ But we can't direct the rest of the cities°
Kubby/ ...interesting and fruitful for us to talk about these
concepts with regional jurisdictions ..... to share the work
that David has done... as simple as that .... see where we can
join forces.
Horow/ I think that comes in under Policy 4.
Lehman/ I also think we really do need ICAD input .... Somewhere in
between we need to have a policy that is going to work.
Kubby/ .... We create reality .... policies that we vote on create
what is going to happen next.
Lehman/ What we could create is absolutely nothing happening.
Kubby/ We could do that with the policies that we have now.
Lehman/ I do believe we really need the input from ICAD .....
Pigott/ Wider input ....
Horow/ Policy lB-
Atkins/ ...found in listening to you that there were two distinct
patterns of thought. One was a question relating to the
process of review .... whomever you decided to involve in. The
other question is the what to review. Are you proposing that
you go through this, prepare a draft set of policies,
strategies, actions that we have and then share them and ask
for the review on whatever systems you choose to set up or are
you going to go through this, set this as your policy and
inform the other groups?
Kubby/ I would like to see that.
Atkins/ My suggestion to you is you do not have to spend all night
on each and every word if the general substance of this after
you have reviewed it satisfies you. Then you direct us to have
that review done by all of the folks that you are talking
about having done. Understand that is a little extraordinary
where you are having your development policies reviewed by
other governmental jurisdictions some of which serve at your
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pleasure: ICAD, Chamber ....
Pigott/ Other jurisdictions...to discuss our policy .... to see
whether there is common ground and ability to work together.
Kubby/ Although now that Steve has suggested that, I think it is
not a bad idea. Why not say, what do you think about these...?
What is in here that is of value to you...?
~orow/
Atkins/ They may say we don't like any of this ....
Horow/ In economic development ....
Atkins/ There is this person who tells me a lot about regional
development issues .... she says .... what to review and the
process of review. The what to review...can have these settled
fairly quickly ..... important thing for me .... we have got to
tell ICAD and the Chamber what we want done ..... This is what
we want you to be doing on our behalf and that is why we pay
you these outrageous dues ..... Directed economic policy as
opposed' to a more of a responding policy .... I sense
difference of opinions... as long as it is directed .... you
are still directing .... As I thought more about sustainable
economic development, you really can't be opposed to it.
Pigott/
Atkins/ You could be but I don't know how you could sustain that
opposition to that policy for any protracted period of time
because as I thought when I read David's summary, it kept
coming back that gee, I am doing that now ..... If you go
through these, adopt them, direct them, ...then establish a
process of review based on what you can come to an agreement
on. These policies .... unless you have real wild and dramatic
changes you want to make in them, we tried to fashion them
under the concept of sustainable economic development as well
as the existing policy.
Kubby/ So let us go through {he policies.
Nov/ Jim...have you come up with different wording?
Throg/ No, not for Policy 1 ....
Horow/
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Arkins/ If you do direct us to do a review process with whomever,
I would think a cover memo probably from Susan identifying
some of the buzz words...here is what we were thinking when we
did thi~ to help at least give them a flavor .....
Kubby/ Even this memo, taking excerpts from it ....
Horow/ Policy 2 .... A.1 ..... Training background of the local labor
force. The work force center, Job Service, does not facilitate
the employment of the majority of people who are employed in
this city and yet with cut backs...will be people who will
need retraining. How do you capture the education background
of a local labor force that has not gone through job service
or the work force center?
Schoon/ It will be a difficult process in trying to gather all this
information .... ~Cnat we ha9e tried to do is identify an agency
out there that deals with people on a regular basis in terms
of employment needs.
Kubby/ Have resource... Labor Center .... has access to
networks .... I think we should use them as a local
..... They are funded by public moneys ....
computer
resource
Horow/
Kubby/ ...might have some ideas on how to gather information
efficiently ..... They not only do training... but research.
Horow/ Anybody have a question on Policy 2?
Kubby/ ...some communities who actually target the jobs to a
certain spectrum of the community .... to people at a certain
income level... disabilities ..... more about gathering
information about those groups of people versus actually
taking the next step and t~rgeting training and new jobs to
that part of the labor force.
Horow/ Give me a for instance, Karen?
Kubby/ For instance .... We want to make an attempt that 10% of jobs
are slated for certain group of people .... So that in here in
this policy we have gaining information about people and what
kinds of support they need to get into the work place.
Nov/ Programs and services... encourage and industrial...
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Atkin~/ I think what you have added is maybe another action
statement about targeted employment and I think that is fine.
~ think if you say give us an action statement about targeted
employment, I know what you mean. Do I hear four ....
Kubby/ ..... we need people to not just be trained for jobs but to
be able to have a job to go to.
Atkins/ Targeted employment, we can handle that from a policy stand
point.
Horow/ Strategy B3. That is in the process of happening right now.
The school business partnership.
Kubby/ I agree with Action 3 but sometimes if you take it too
literally it is almost like the schools job is to produce
workers ....
Horow/ In the schools the curriculum development people are
actually going into the workforce and working to determine
what sort of programs should be in vocational education ....
Policy 3. What does A.1. mean with "ring around the city"? We
have got the Avenue of the Saints, 1-80, does it mean BDI?
Atkins/ Simply our industrial development, if it is going to occur
in the periphery near where we have the transportation
network, the Scott Blvds., we simply don't want to put a donut
completely around the city where we are blocked in.
Schoon/ This is a statement that came out of one of the task
forces.
Arkins/ The Land Use Task Force.
Kubby/ Strategy B. I really really agree with. It balances having
one major core area and having smaller neighborhood commercial
areas. Under Strategy C I would like to add some kind of
action about the city really marketing d.t. and the parking.
Marketing the resources that we have there.
Throg/ Action 6.
Horow/ I would like to know how we can promote the d.t. people to
do their own damn marketing ..... I don't think the city can
always do it for them.
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Atkins/ ...I happen to share that. I think the DTA is simply going
to have to play a much stronger role. We cannot market d.t.
for them... work to create an environment that is attractive
for shopping ..... but you can't devote your time to-
Throg/ ...we have a stake in promoting it ....
Atkins/ But market for d.t., we can create a satisfactory physical
environment in d.t. by making the investment we have .... You
have made a huge investment in d.t. I am not denying we
don't have a role ..... they have got to make those decisions to
attract people there.
Kubby/ Emphasis of my co~ment was on marketing the parking rather
than the d.t ..... hear consistently is perception about
parking d.t .... We have a resource that is not used 100% of
the time ..... Part of our economic development strategies to
market the accessibility of parking d.t.
Atkins/
Kubby/ I think it should be an explicit part of our economia
development policies to 'market our parking d.t ..... main
commercial core...
Atkins/ We own it.
Horow/
Nov/ Promote rather than market ..... promotion is what we need
here.
Horow/ I thought Strategy D was in conflict with Strategy'B. If we
are promoting (D.) and encourage proliferation of new major
commercial areas, I felt that this was incompatible.
Kubby/ South Side is a perfect example of trying to promote keeping
one core.commercial area, yet trying to promote housing in
that same area ....
Throg/ Strikes me as those being completely compatible .....
Horow/ This city .... people live ....
Schoon/ Internet is examples...research park area near ACT and
housing opportunities that are going to be provided in that
area ..... Are who are going to be doing janitorial jobs ....
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need to c6nsider those individuals when we are providing
housing near employment centers ....
Horow/ Strategy B4 .... maybe I would like to question whether or not
additional areas for research development or I-1. Does it have
to be commercial development? What do we mean by com~mercial?
Atkins/ That strategy has to be ¢o~mmercial. Read wha~ the strategy
is. If you want one on Office Research..0those are- Thi~ one
was strictly intended to satisfy that neighborhood commercial.
Throg/ Strategy A3. talks about providing adequate amount of
industrial and office research .....
Horow/ Okay, thank you. Policy 4.
Throg/ Policy 4, under the heading, I would like to say promote
sustainable economic development and then I am concerned about
what we tell ICAD to do ....
Atkins/ The $50,000 string is there.
Kubby/ So it is really with'the understanding that these policies
should guide their actions in terms of development in Iowa
City.
Atkins/ Once you settle on this, it has got to more than an
understanding. This is what you want. $50,000 a year and we
are going to purchase this from you. Go get them.
Pigott/ That is what I meant by proactive approach .....
Horow/ Strategy C we did not address Cedar Rapids .... economic
corridor... also didn't address ECCOG ..... I am perplexed as
to how priority 1 or ECCOG or any of the other existing
groups... fit into this policy.
Atkins/ The way I would read it is the review process and you can
certainly choose to send it to them asking for their ¢o~mments
..... legally the extent of your authority os the corporate
limits. I think informing them and asking them for any
comments and that includes ECCOG, I have no trouble with
that .....
Schoon/ In terms of priority 1, ..... Strategy A, Action 3 is given
ICAD is a similar entity that we work through ICAD in
developing those regional efforts .....
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Horow/ That helps me...Iowa City is working with Cedar Rapids on
the U.S./Japan Midwest Economic Development Conference in
September ..... I need to be able to represent you ....
Kubby/ On (Policy 4) B2. I would like to add and other
jurisdictions in the area .....
Arkins/ That was implied in our earlier discussions.
Horow/ Rose from Oakdale Research Lab has a presentation
on the incubation industries that they have and the thrust
that they are going out into the pharmaceutical world. We have
some material that she sent over. If council would like her to
present what their strategy is for talking with small
businesses ....
Kubby/
Throg/ I guess Strategy B, since this idea of having a Commission
or Task Force is obviously not going to fly tonight, I would
like to suggest somehow drawing into this process a Center for
International Studies, CICS, at the University of Iowa...
global regional kind of economic environmental work, Jael
is the Director .....
Pigott/ At the end of that sentence I would like to tag on "and
citizen groups" under Strategy C and pro[pose a fifth action
and that Would be to explore new methods of facilitating
communication between these groups within new technologies and
I have a specific idea ..... internet .... and the fiberoptic
network .....
Horow/ Mark Ginsberg already has a company called Exclusive
Communications .....
Arkins/ Is that a communication policy as opposed to economic
development policy?
Pigott/ I think it can be both ....
Atkins/ If we start stretching these actions out so far we are
going to make the agenda so broad ....
Kubby/ Strategy C is about communication.
Atkins/ It fits there .....
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Horow/ Policy 5.
Throg/ I like what it is here and I wonder how it gets threshed out
in practice .... Action 1 .... don't know what it will mean and
how we determine what it means .... help me? How are we going
· to proceed?
Atkins/ As I read the Strategy, "Establish programs .... "something
folks can work with ..... I am not sure the answer to that,
Jim. Trying to be pretty straight on.
Throg/ Like to have some sense of how we are going to proceed.
Atkins/
Kubby/ Say if you get public assistance and you are building a new
building, your building has to be built with energy efficient
concepts.
Atkins/ I would be encouraging a business to be energy efficient
because the'potential is you get some sort of public incentive
or whatever.
Lehman/
Atkins/
Kubby/ .... To say they have energy efficient windows, is that
enough ....
Lehman/ Seems to me...they are very sensitive ....
Kubby/ ' Let's talk to some contractors who build new energy
efficient buildings ....
Lehman/ ...I think the public is very sensitive to energy
concerns ....
Kubby/ Technology changes .... things are always changing ....
Atkins/ Sometimes you often have to rely on the industry to come to
you. They will say you have to amend your code in some
fashion .... be open to that.
Kubby/ Maybe we should use our Energy Coordinator to give us some
ideas about what can this mean more specifically ....
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Horow/
Kubby/
Lehman/ Aren't the real experts on the energy efficiencies in the
utility companies?
Throg/ From their point of view .....
Lehman/
Nov/ State law tells them have to.
Throg/ ...possibility of using Jim Schoenfelder in a more
entrepreneurial way . Extend it .beyond the city ....
extending his purview '~ to the community ....
Nov/ Have to say he can review every new building that comes in
..... industrial building.
Atkins/ I read through the nodding of heads that you want Jim more
involved involved in entrepreneurial efforts.
Horow/ Anything else in Policy 5?
Kubby/ There is nothing in here about pollution prevention program.
To me that is a really important part of sustainable
development ..... prevent... and reduce ....
Atkins/ We can add something.
Nov/ Some of that is in the Code already .... air pollution
standards .... state and federal law .... pretreatment of
wastewater.
Throg/ Karen's point... preventing the production of the pollutant
in the first place.
Nov/
Horow/ Anything more...Policy 6.
Lehman/ I don't have any problem with A1. but it seems to me to be
not compatible with Policy 2... I think ...folks at almost
income level and those folks need jobs .... Don't think we can
totally target high paying jobs when we have a certain segment
of our population that can never qualify for those jobs.
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Kubby/ Maybe it should be livable wage issue.
Atkins/ Saying high paying jobs...working with work force
centers .... Don't want to say low paying jobs ......
Lehman/ Just seems to me that that is a little incompatible with
the rest of what we are trying to say ..... I think we need to
get businesses that provide jobs for the labor force. And I
think .... they should be as high paying as possible.
Kubby/ One thing I don't want...creating incentives for a job for
a familyo..working full time at that job they are still below
the poverty level. That is not something I want to encourage
through public assistance.,.~
Leb~man/ But I would like to see that family be able to work.
Kubby/ I agree.
Atkins/ (Policy 6A1) What if we were to say invest in
infrastructure and encourage business investments that create
employment opportunities for targeted employment and then we
are referring back to Policy 2 where we added targeted
employment ..... I am trying...depends what you want out of
that sentence .... Invest in infrastructure is a pretty
straight forward .... what you want me to do in your behalf...
Lehman/
Atkins/ I don't know how else you would say it.
Nov/ I see your point .... peoDle...who have been underemployed for
years%,.. I don't think we are looking for high paying as much
as well trained... look for jobs who will accommodate the well
trained employee ....
Throg/ I will throw out an idea...What would happen if we said
encourage business investments that create jobs which provide
incomes that enable people to buy housing in the Iowa City
housing market ....
Lehman/ How about investments that are compatible with the labor
force...? Cover the underemployed...high paying jobs...
Atkins/
Nov/ Why don't we say that create jobs for a highly trained labor
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force or well trained labor force?
Kubby/ We are getting at two different issues. One is the
livability of the wage...other one is the skill level .... two
different things ....
Nov/ Not necessarily...employee may be a well trained secretary ....
Lehman/ How about the high school drop out that needs a job...?
Nov/ Not in that sentence anyway.
Pigott/
Franklin/
Nov/
Lehman/ We are not recognizing all levels of employment. We are
only addressing better paying jobs .... There are people out
there who cannot qualify for those jobs .....
Kubby/ I am not interested in creating full time positions that pay
minimum wage and no benefits.
Lehman/ But we have people who can't qualify for better jobs than
that .... don't exclude those jobs ....
Kubby/ It matters...if there is public moneys...
Lehman/
Horow/ Ask the staff to come back with a suggestion on this.
Pigott/ Create jobs for a diverse work force at a livable
wageo..want that concept of all sorts of jobs at different
wage levels .... We want all to meet some basic wage level
Throg/ How about that provide livable wages for a diverse work
force?
Lehman/ You are right .... concerned about definition of livable
wage.
Woito/ Do you mean livable wage in Iowa City or not?
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Kubby/ Do we want to be creating jobs for people, get them and
can't afford to live here?
Horow/ Yes.
Lehman/ Yeah ....
Nov/ If someone has a job...place to live in North liberty or
Hills .... I don't think it is a big deal.
Kubby/ With our policies do we want to perpetuate that?
Nov/ Nothing wrong ....
Horow/ .... jobs in this city ....
Nov/ There are people who say I don't want to live in Iowa City ....
they choose to do it that way.
Kubby/
Nov/
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Throg/ Have to show them that you are paying a livable wage.
Horow/ That business would primarily affect Iowa City .... for most
part that industry would be benefiting Iowa City.
Kubby/ It matters what the definition of livable wages .... look at
median incomes in Johnson County .... city, county, state ....
regional... use federal poverty guidelines... If we want to
look at it regional, there are two ways .... One is looking at
prevailing wages for various kinds of jobs in the region and
the other is to look at median income for the region .... 80%
median income in terms of CDBG money for the Housing
Authority.
Franklin/ I think it is the county ....
Kubby/ Those numbers are sometimes up to 3 1/2 times what the
federal poverty guidelines are ..... We can define what we mean
by that term.
Horow/ We are going to have to move on this issue.
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Atkins/ Livable wage-
Horow/ Let's take it and see what the reaction is when this goes
through review.
Kubby/ .... Polic~ 6A3. I want to take out the wo~d business from
"Business community,, so that the whole community will help
review instead of just being exclusive because the community
definitely includes the business co~u~unity.
Pigott/ I would like to amend that a little further and say
"...make changes to the process that encourages business
activity and reinvestment in the community.,, .....
Nov/
Pigott/ I mean reinvestment, not just encourage business activity.
But encourage...reinvestment of dollars.
Novick/ I thought we needed another action under this strategy and
that is regularly review the Community Reinvestment Act
reports because I think there needs to be a more aggressive
evaluation of these things ...... They are pablum ....
Atkins/ But they also satisfy the federal law ....
Horow/ Can we say aggressive evaluation within the context of our
policy?
Arkins/ You can hold them to one standard and the feds are going to
hold them to another.
Horow/ They certainly work hard in this community .... We could
gently be aggressive in terms of having them respond to our
policies...
Atkins/ Yes, Ma'am.
Kubby/ I am glad to hear you say that .... I just want the group to
recognize that... We are all making our own set of
restrictions ... fine lines in different places ....
Throg/ Naomi that the action that you suggested be included under
Strategy C ....
Horow/ 9kay.
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Kubby/ So you wanted it to be specifically about CRA?
Horow/ Yeah, something about CRA in Strategy C.
Kubby~ I actually want to go back to this idea of public process...
under 6B .... One of the fiTst action would be some kind of
public input ..... should be a public process .... At least on
the front end of developing the rules by which we play is
developed at the public ....
Throg/
Atkins/ D6esn't B2 ..... answer that?
Throg/ It doesn't say what the process would be, Steve.
Atkins/ ThE rules that now govern that, Jim. Karin says it doesn't
say that.
Franklin/ (Can't hear).
Atkins/
Kubby/ My action 1. would talk about a public process for
developing criteria and the mechanism and change the numbers
on the rest ..... most important part about this°
Atkins/ So you want some words of public input weaved into this?
Kubby/ Yeah...ends up becoming an educational component as well ....
atmosphere of togetherness .... positive move for being more
directive about this whole process .... Being directive...
concepts of sustainable development. We need the community on
board ....
Nov/ Look at A3... doesn't that take in what you are talking about?
Throg/ Karen is talking about CEBA Program criteria.
Kubby/ Let me tell you what I am talking about .... What I am
talking about is that before there was four of us who agreed
that if there is any kind of public assistance whether that be
selling land at less than market value, tax abatement, our
name on a CEBA application .... whatever... that people will be
asked to give us some more information .... not just the CEBA
but anything else as well. Before we solidify the criteria, we
should have some ad hoc policy put out there and get some
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feedback .... should be part of our economic development
strategy.
Horow/ The only reason I would like to consider this .... council
needs to function and make decisions more rapidly than I think
we ~ould normally do ..... If it would help by public input up
front... If that would help us with criteria and guidelines of
looking at those proposals... for financial assistance of
whatever kind, if that would help us make decisions more
rapidly then I would certainly go along with that.
Throg/ I think that would be a good thing. If we could be clear in
advance about the criteria and agree upon and a firm comes in
..... why not act quickly...
Lehman/ If we develop the criteria with guidelines it would seem to
me that most of whether or not a business meets this criteria
would be handled administratively ....
Kubby/ I would assume. there w?ul~ be an application...get it before
we vote .... Having public input on the front end.
Nov/ Where on the front end ..... talking about Strategy B Develop
criteria with public input?
Kubby/ That we put out something to the community and say either to
do an ad hoc committee ,..or to send it out to all of these
places we talked about earlier .... feedback is not as useful
public hearing process
as... o ....
Horow/ I agree .... and disagree .... when you have a subject such as
this...roomful of people .... monologues ....
Kubby/
Throg/ Small groups with a facilitator.
Kubby/ So why don't we set that up?
Horow/ We have already done this.
Kubby/ Not about the criteria .... Talking about...1-recalling
people from the Economic Well Being Task Force ..... council is
now asking you to look at this document...get specific
feedback .... come back to us ....
Nov/ I can't see any reason why we wouldn't be abie to reactivate
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the task force. They have already volunteered.
Kubby/ Maybe there are some other people to add to it ..... maybe
someone specifically from ICAD .... Jim Schoenfeld~r .... more
people that we can specifically target... someone from the
Labor Center ....
Nov/
Chamber group or ICAD Board should get this document,
period .... ..and the Task Force should be the one in the small
group to talk about it.
Kubby/ .... City Steps went out...to hold p.h.s ..... a lot of people
who cam~ ....
Nov/
I like the idea of sending it to particular people that we
know would be truly interested in this document and will
provide input.
Kubby/ I think directing the revitalization of the Task Force to do
both: to get targeted input and to have general self selecting
input.
Horow/ Comment from staff on this.
Atkins/ These policies and the criteria. All one of the same?
Lehman/
Arkins/ What I heard you say is you wish to inform and ask for
comment...ICAD, Chamber .... get all that back then send it to
the Task force on Economic Well Being and ask for their review
of it. Is that what I heard you say? Yes.
Horow/ Is this going to serve as the criteria for the review?
Lehman/ I think we want their comments on it ....
Atkins/ The criteria-
Kubby/ I w~nt them to review the general policies and I would like
them to review the criteria that we use for entities wanting
public assistance.
Franklin/ Do you want them to develop those criteria?
Kubby/ I think we need to have some kind of baseline stuff that
they can add or subtract from ..... they need to have some
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guidelines.
Atkins/ Got loads of guidelines in these policies .... a lot of them
are in here.
Kubby/ The gray area in all of this discussion for me is these
policies and the specifics that are in them for me are for
entities wanting public assistance ......
Nov/
To some extent if we zone property industrial and we put in
sewers and streets, we have already put in public assistance
to everybody.
Kubby/
Arkins/ Kind of leaping ahead .... I am having ~rouble~ quite
frankly, thinking about the criteria based upon what I am
hearing from all of this. I am not so sure we are even ready
to establish criteria until you have gone through this review
process and got all the comments that you say you want to get.
Kubby/ I think there are some basic things.
Arkins/ I think they are in here .... all of that is built in
through here. I am not so sure you can establish criteria
until .... let other folks get a crack at this.
Kubby/ There are a couple of more conceptual things ....
Horow/ Is there anyone else on Policy 6?
Throg/ I am a little unclear about the precise process we are going
to use with regard~to reconvening the Vision task Force. What
I thought Naomi to suggest...reconvene the Vision Task Force,
have them solicit input from ICAD and from these various other
organizations while also reviewing this document and coming
back to us with suggestions.
Nov/ No. I was saying it should go to multiple groups:ICAD,
Chamber...and Vision Task Force.
Pigott/
Nov/ I am saying all of them comment to us .... We are basically
responsible for the policies and hearing comments.
Kubby/ Suggesting...reconvening the Task Force...to hear the
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targeted feedback and to get general feedback from non-
targeted community.
Nov/
Throg/
Atkins/ I had Karen's version written down. Inform the various
groups:ICAD, Chamber~ etc., all of those folks. Ask for their
comments on this, bring that all back together in some
fashion. Reconvene the Task Force and say now, here is our
draft policy, here is what everybody has had to say, we want
you to give us your final blessing in the form of
recommendation, and then it goes to you. That is what I heard.
Nov/
Kubby/ In terms of concepts for criteria, there are a couple
general things that I am very very interested in.
Horow/ Karen, hold that ....
Kubby/ ...When I am talking about the financial assistance
criteria, I am not talking just about the industrial park. I
am talking about any commercial or industrial entity that gets
any from of public assistance .... Thought that there were four
people who wanted to broaden that.
Nov/ Let's wait until we get there.
Horow/ Like to move us on .... Let's move to item 3.
3. 1995 ProDosed Economic Development Activities
Atkins/
Pigott/ I have one thought about it. One of the things, fourth ohe
down, "Through public, private .... " Before you insure the
availability of an adequate amount of any of these things, you
have to know the employment needs of the labor force in the
community. Is that part of one of these items. That is what I
would like to see stated°
Atkins/ Labor needs?
Pigott/ Yeah .....
Atkins/ The underemployment nose count of how many-
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Nov/ Isn't that in here?
Throg/ It is Action 3 of Strategy A, Policy 2.
Kubby/ Add to this the input process because we want to do
that...it should be done in 1995 ..... That that input be in
writing.
Horow/ How do you propose to get this done in 19957
Atkins/ We can try. 1995 is going to go blowing by .... asking for
further comment. Let's us give you something to aim at ....
certain things .... we can work with labor force to identify
that. we can.... ~? those things independent of you settling
in on a policy.. . A lot of information gathering. Now,
establishing criteria gets a little more specific. Probably
not ready to do that because you haven't nailed down your
policy .....
Kubby/ Public input...saves us time in the long run ....
Horow/ I don't agree with that.
Throg/ Hoped that would be the case...better to sort this stuff in
advance rather than have conflict...
Horow/ Don't agree with the fact that seeking publi~ input saves
time ....
Throg/ Democracy is messy.
4. Industrial Park DeveloDment
Atkins/ Update. Here is where we are. We have done some of the
preliminary work on the extension of utilities, the
infrastructure .... $40,000 an acre. That included very very
very rough estimates ..... industrial park was causing some of
the infrastructure improvements to occur .... is going to pen
other land for development .... $40,000 is probably on the high
end...I did send a letter to the county...asking them to send
me information...defining their role in this overall proposal.
I received nothing. I did send letters off to the owners of
the Houghton/Tucker property and I have met with those folks.
They are not interested in development. They are interested in
selling the land, period. I informed them I would put together
the framework for purchase of some property .... I will bring
that back to you. That should be done very shortly .... (Refers
to map) They also own...farm house .... They prefer selling
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everything ....
Nov/
Kubby/ Before...soil can't handle .... what is different?
Arkins/ Nothing. It is the only game in town.
Schoon/ You can build on it. It is more expensive.
Arkins/ Floating slabs, pilings ..... only game in town .... So the
issues are some sort of a purchase proposal, design the final
infrastructure, property would have to be annexed and zoned.
Kubby/
Arkins/ Floating slap...piling .... That is where we are. I am about
two weeks from giving you anything really meaty. But I will
have that shortly ......
Kubby/ Does the Streb family know the extent of our conversation
Arkins/ They have a zoning proposal in front of the county now to
strip off front portion of their property for commercial which
we are not thrilled with.
Kubby/
Atkins/ It got bigger. It is the whole front of this thing... a lot
of commercial ..... (Refers to map). That is what they want to
do commercial .....
Kubby/ Is it inappropriate for our staff to make a presen{ation to
the county zoning about why we might not like that, at the
County Zoning Commission meeting before they vote?
Atkins/ We can testify at a p.h. like anyone else. We have an
interest.
Kubby/
Franklin/ This is something that we comment on because it is in our
two miles. There is a process.
Horow/ Usefulness towards you or Bob presenting...more so that a
letter.
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Kubby/ I am suggesting before the County Zoning Commission.
Arkins/ If we do it it should be Karin or I .....
Horow/ Promotion of cooperation ....
Atkins/ I think you should talk to Charlie, Susan,... if you want
us to testify on our concerns, I don't have any trouble with
that.
Throg/ I think we ought to do it ....
Nov/ I think that is entirely too much commercial .... some way we
can accommodate some commercial ....
Kubby/ Maybe a call to the Zoning Commission...chair...know we are
coming ....
Horow/ I will get to Charlie tomorrow morning.
Atkins/ Could...inform them that we would like to testify...have a
letter prepared and sent to be part of the record which
identifies our concerns..... at least it is one record. Going
there is important .... writte~ testimony also. Okay.
5. Industrial Park/Financial Assistance Criteria
Atkins/ Final issue for you is how do you want to approach this
issue of the public financial assistance criteria? What do you
want to do? A good many of the points that were raised in the
correspondence that Susan and Karen sent us are found
somewhere° I am really not sure what to do for you? Whether to
actually write up a list and let you mark them off or .....
Horow/ I would like to ask people if page 2, second paragraph, if
that couldn't be a start, a jump off. Page 2 of Feb. 9 memo
re: Industrial Park Criteria and CEBA Criteria. To see whether
or not we a~e in concern... with paragraph 2...'.
Pigott/
Atkins/ Here is what I assumed. The industrial park criteria was a
matter of zoning, period. Now if someone receives any form of
public assistance or public subsidy, criteria assistance kick
in. That is what I understood. Okay?
Pigott/
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Kubby/ Agree upon what public assistance means. That list of
things.
Atkins/ If we determine a price per acre...
Kubby/ As long as it is the real costs ....
Atkins/ The public financial assistance, I wasn't sure what to do
for you .... I understand this policy. I can make a list for
you to do that ....
Kubby/ There are two things I want to talk about ..... One of them
is performance monitoring, so matter what is on the list that
we come up with...that.we make sure they do what ~hey are
going to do.
Atkins/ The performance monitoring language we can get from our
CEBA application...where they have to send in periodic reports
...... CEBA applications as performance monitoring obligation
where they have to send in periodic reports ....
Kubby/ Depending on what that public assistance definition is .....
What do other people think about the concept of performance
monitoring?
Lehman/ Fine.
Atkins/ It is not overly burdensome...
Kubby/ Other issue is clawback guarantee agreement so that if their
performance monitoring is not up to snuff-
Atkins/ I have not heard the term clawback-
Kubby/ .... it is a term that is used that means if you don't do
what you say you are going to do, you owe us.
Atkins/
Schoon/ In a CEBA requirement if they create a certain percentage
of jobs or if they don't create a certain percentage of jobs,
those jobs they don't create they owe the money. back with
interest.
Nov/ That is a forgivable loan...What do you do with somebody who
has received tax abatement? Going to send them a bill for the
tax? ....
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Arkins/ I think it is a matter of how you write your contract.
Nov/
Atkins/ I don't think we are going to be overwhelmed with
these..o'COUple a year... Linda and David...all get together
and write the contract'and having the company accept the terms
of the contract .... If they know what the criteria is walking
in the door...contract that much easier to put together...
fewer surprises. What you are looking for is the sanctions if
they don't fulfill that... I am not troubled by being able to
put together some sanctions for you.'
Woito/ ...I think I can come up with language.
Kubby/ I am also interested...when we sign a CEBA application that
we have an agreement with the company because if the
performance monitoring comes back not satisfactory, we are the
applicant, not the company. Correct? Technically .... we
owe ....
Arkins/ Are we at risk and the answer is yes ....
Woito/ We can have an explicit agreement .... can Company we had
three or four layers of agreements .... NCS we have no security
interest .... That was a policy choice that you made. You can
certainly have requirements for those agreements.
Kubby/ .... protected all the time ....
Horow/ It is another layer onto the CEBA grant.
Kubby/ Just another agreement...
Nov/ Put that in as one more sentence to the contract...
Woito/
Atkins/ I think, after you have gone through these policy
positions, we may be better equipped not to give you a list of
criteria and I am not prepared to do that tonight .... opinions
from other people may influence that criteria.
Nov/ I have a zoning question .... The read I read the industrial
zone, it does not fit something like ACT ....
Franklin/ When they did that we had to look at the ratio of office
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to production and because you can't have just strictly offices
uses in an I-1 zone. And it worked out such that the office
was secondary to the production.
Nov/ What are they producing?
Franklin/ They. are processing. They are testing stuff ....
Nov/
Franklin/ I didn't investigate it myself so I don't know. H.I.S.
looked in~o it in terms of enforcing the zone .... they
resolved it to everybody's satisfaction.
Lehman/ (Can't hear).
Franklin/ I have a question that is totally unrelated to this. It
is related to the Near South Side Design Plan. We are having
trouble getting a student rep .... Like to get started with the
advisory committee ..... Consultant is to start April 1. We
...may have a contract on the 28th.
Horow/
Franklin/ Any suggestions...?
Pigott/ We can contact him and make a push ....
Franklin/ Just let David or Jeff know.
Horow/ (Can't hear).
Pigott/ April 1.
Kubby/
Horow/ Questions, David or Karin, on the industrial zone, Chapter
6, in terms of the regs, whether these were needed and whether
or not all permitted uses are still appropriate for an
industrial park in this area. Like manufacturing of felt,
fiber, fur or leather .....
Franklin/ .... old standard zoning language and the idea is is that
you are not restrictive and through our performance standards
that we deal with some of these extranalities .... consequences
of the use.
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Horow/
Franklin/ We haven't had a problem with it yet.
Horow/ You never know. 6E Dimensional requirements. How does this
fit in with an industrial park?
Franklin/ First of all the I-1 zoning is not designed for an
industrial park. It is designed for an industrial are~ ..
BDI's covenants are more restrictive in that they require ~6
foot front yard set back and if we were own a park, we could
set whatever covenants we wanted that could be more
restrictive than the zoning if you wish to in terms of those
kinds of dimensional requirements. The concern about the
physical appearance of the park there are things that you can
do as the owner that go beyond zoning ....
Horow/ My problem is I keep mixing an industrial park with a
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Franklin/ BDI is an industrial park only in that it is all together
in one place and it is managed or owned or controlled by BDI.
Kubby/ When we talk about revitalizing the vision task force, I
would like us to have some kind of limited time frame so that
it is not like eight months or something ..... thinking three
months ....
Horow/ What is the possibility of doing this? ...We are mangling
your work program every time we turn around.
Kubby/ .... We haven't given them a time frame. Let's give them one.
Atkins/ We will prepare kind of a summary memo, the major things
you have decided. tonight and also point out. here are the
things we are going to be doing so you will h~e a summary of
the activity. A calling together of the task force on Economic
Well Being...is more my responsibility. I was the facilitator
for that one. I will take care of that.
Horow/ Can we do this before three months?
Atkins/ I would think so .... I will tell them that you wish to move
ahead. If you want to add any more faces to it you have to
tell me about it.
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Nov/
Atkins/ We need to go back and go through this thing.
Horow/ Maybe you could tell us by Monday night when you think you
could pull this together.
Atkins/ I prefer not. I would like to take off Thursday and Friday
..... I will think about you during those two days ....
Throg/ ..... portable fax thing.
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Horow/ General discussion. Karen...
assistance criteria.
your comment about financial
Kubby/ Yes, it was the performance monitoring and the clawback
guarantee. Those were the two things.
Horow/ Does anyone else have anything else that they would like to
address.
Pigott/ Thank you, Sue ....
Horow/ I need one more item. We have got a City/County meeting
coming up and I need you to get the agenda items to Marian
.... April 4 ..... Bruno has got a meeting Wednesday.
Karr/ 4:30 PM.
Horow/ Highlander. Not the food .... it is the items on the agenda.
Marian needs your agenda items.
Kubby/ I had asked for traffic control issues before the next
meeting.
Atkins/ Busy week next week. Wednesday we have got the water
meeting ..... 6:30. I am going to send a memo out to you-
Kubby/ About-financials.
Arkins/ That is being done today .... in your packet this week ....
One page summary... we have met with Mr. Barker ....
Council/ (Several conversations).
Horow/ We are adjourned.
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