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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1995-04-04 TranscriptionApril 4, 1995 Joint Meeting of The City Council of Iowa City And The Johnson County Board of Supervisors 4:30 PM City Council: Horow, Baker, Kubby, Nov, Throg, Lehman (5:05 PM). Absent: Pigott. City Staff: Atkins, Karr, Smith, Helling (5:15 PM). Board of Supervisors: Bolkcom, Duffy, Lacina, Sehr, Stutsman. county Staff: Peters, White. Tapes: 95-44, Side 2; 95-50, all. Call To Order 95-44 S2 Horow/ Charlie, should we start the joint meeting. Ernie Lehman is going to be late... 5:15 PM. I expect Bruno. Let's call to order. Economic Development In County (City and County) Horow/ The first issue is the economic development in the county. Office research parks and the industrial park. Lacina/ April 10 .... They are on the County Zoning agenda, Strebs .... are proposing roughly 18 acres of Commercial along Scott Blvd. They would have one curb cut and a frontage road that would go back in between Scott Blvd and the creek and we need to take a look at that to see if it is space that could be used for industrial as opposed to just having commercial. Then the rest behind it would be industrial. The theory being the commercial would offset some of the expense to hold the costs down back in behind. The competition apparently is running as low as $5,000 per acre for paved streets, curb and gutter is some of the surrounding industrial parks ..... infrastructure will have to be very carefully designed and pulled off if we are going to be viable. Horow/ This April 10, Steve or Karin Franklin could certainly come and address- Lacina/ I would encourage them to do so. But the objective from the county standpoint is to rezone from residential use to industrial and if it is appropriate, some commercial between the stream and the Scott Blvd. Kubby/ Council had talked about this a little bit .... concerns about how much commercial there was ..... Lacina/ May be something we might want to go out and physically walk to check and see just where it would go. I understand the Thisrepresents only ereasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowa Ciw council meeting of April4,1995, WS040495 April 4, 199.5 Joint Meeting of The City Council of Iowa city And The Johnson County Board of Supervisors Page 2 concern. So basically that is where we are at on the industrial park. We did have an application that came to u~ this morning from an electrical co~perative down by Lone Tree and it on for Thursday for action ar~ discussion. But we are considering supporting a grant application to the state for a business that runs 8 employees now and would be expanding to 20. They are going after a forgivable loan and in the event that the application is sized back to a low interest loan then the payments would co~e to the county if we so chose to set it up in a revolving fund account and it would have to be around $50,000 for the account. So, with that, then we can start some economic development on a revolving basis. But there would be a lot of work that would have to be done before that is in place. The grant is on for Thursday. It looks very good. Horow/ I don't understand .... Lacina/ The Cooperative would be providing service to · business that would be eight miles east of Lone Tree. They would be the service provider. ! will help them write the grant and it would be in Johnson County and so they would go from the 8 employees to the 20. In the event that they got the low interest loan, we w~uld have s potential of establishing a revolving fund for economic development in the county. The first step would be seel~g if we could get the grant. Horow/ At what point do we get involvmd in tem of who does what to absolutely promote this or to develop it or to put infrastructure in? Is the county going to be putting some money into this as well as the city? Latins/ The first step was to preserve the land as far as residential use, to stop that. I think it is no~ time for the discussion to take place as far as the roles and if the owner is willing to annex at that point, X think the discussion would be between Iowa City and the land owner, with the county maybe supporting RISE applications and that. We are not set up within our budget right now for expenditures on this area. Horow/ Would this be something that would come out of this revolving fund? Latins/ We probably better not depend upon that now. That is something that is a real if... paid back over the life of the loan of the company which I think is five years ..... Thi, re(wesent~ onJy · reasonably m:cu~(e U. ,m~c~ipd<m of the I(;,wa CiW coiJx~ meeting of ~ 4, 1995. WS040495 4, lqgb Joliet Meeting of The City Council of Iowa And The Joltneon County Board of Supervisors Page 3 ...Probably has use for more rural development. Lacina/ I don't think there will b~ &:~i' &fringe on that on the revolving fund .... have to have some guidelines for within the county. Now, going back to the industrial park, if the zoning is in plac, the next step is to sit down with the owner and start talking about the overall layout and I know the city has done a tentative lay our for the streets. And we need to look at Phase I if that is possible and...configuration you have here doesn't lend itself well to that. But in talking with a paver, his proposal was to go in with a 1/4 mile of concrete which would open up 8-10 lots and do it in phases. That we won't have a lot of money sunk into the entire project. But again we need to discuss the value of the property at the end. What the inventory is going to cost because if it is extensive and we are out of the picture. Horow/ Steve .... This is the sort of thing that you and Karin should really work out before the 1/4 mile road. Atkins/ The question that I have was...about having the park in place or the zoning in place and then meet with the ownership. Lacina/ We are working with the ownership. My idea ie to stop residential us, right now. I think this is more appropriate for industrial in light of your comp plan of where it Atkins/ Let me tell you where wQ are. I have spoken with the Houghton/Tk~cker folks and they want to sell. They have no interest in acting as a developer and th,y are willing to do it on contract and in general terms I think we can reach some sort of agreement if the council is interested in the actual outright purchase. We are talking probably cloee to half million dollars for the land .... 2-We have begun a little more specific detail on that design so we can get some b~tter cost figures for you. What I was wondering ie what is the next step? I think I understand clearly what the Moughten/~h~cker ownership is and that is they just want to sell land and get out of it. Since it is in the county .... what is my role or Karin's role ..... to meet with the $trebs and discuss it? Now the zoning application is coming up on the 10th and you expression on the council was that you weren't wild about all of that commercial. Kubby/ That was pretty strong ..... suggested that staff actually go speak at the p.h. Th~s represents only a reasona~y accoate t~an$cF~tton of the Iowa Ctty co~ndl rne~ting of A4~ 4, 1995. ~S040495 April 4. 1995 Joint Neetin~ of 1~e City Council of lo~a City And The Johnson County Board of 8ul~rvieors Page 4 i~tkina/ Absolutely .... prepar~ so~thin~ in writin~ .... what do~e that do to the whole atrateqy process...? Horow/ I think since the ~prll 10 acetiny Is crucial in terns of talkinq with P/~- ...but if ther~ Is the potential of the Houqhton/Tucker property cosln~ in then It seeas to as that the whole territory should b~ looked at In terns of the dealqn of accessibility or any infrastructure. Arkins/ I think we can say confidently we can deeiqn either on~ of ~t two ~or will satisfactorily fit on ~ fact ~at to bl~nd Into Lacina/ The desiqns are different &rid right nov where we are dealir~l with $treb and JUlt this tract, he has an access on top of the hill rlqht here (refers to nap) .... &rid h~l laid in sore proposals for a rail spur v~l~h chef,Fee r..he confiqur&tlon soa~. If you can do the entire tract toqef~er I think it Is 9oinq to ba better off for planniN. ArkIns/ And you will nasd only o~ entr&~. Sehrl Arkins/ Nhat you hav~ to do, you could e~ of ~ant ~ sittiN ~ ~t ~reb pro~rty do~ ~o ~e o~ ~ ~~ ~ tell ~~ ...... ~ts .... If y~ ~ ~l~ to ~ ~ l~ue~l~l ~rk you r~lly only ne~ OhS ~}or Rugby/ I think then it becones an industrial area. trains/ I an assuaino park is what you want. You wanted to see somethincj that Is coapllaentary with respect to we], tile desi~ll in laid out. Lacina/ The application cosinq in on the 10th, he is shovinq one curb cut off his property. As this is, he has no access. So that is sosethlnq and one of the representatives fros Houghton/Tucker cane in and talked briefly to us, too. But if WS0404~5 April 4, 1995 Joint #eating of The City Council of Iowa city And The Johnson County Board of Supervisors Page 5 that is the idea Is to take the entire tract and to design for it, we need to sit down mvan no~ before thm 10th and express some overall view with Streb so he ~mws .... Horow/ ...l really would question -,~ethmr or not if he is thinkiN big ..... Laclna/Thm rail voluntarily dmmiqnedthlm~holmtractfor mpurbut 8trmb*l problmm im he can only plan for thmqr&y are& (refers to map) bmcaumm that is all he really ham control ovmr. 80 he will bmdeflnitely limited and I don*t think Is lookin, at thm big picture ..... Arkins/ If he stripe off the front of that for co~merclal, he Is going to kill the value of the land bmhind it because what happens if the Houghton/Tucker falls apart for momm reason. Lacina/ .... Kubby/ On the other hand having · separate ·cease for thm commercial .... miqht...beapomitivethinq .... might be best to keep those t~o armas mepmr&tm .... diffmrent kinds of ~r&ffic ..... $ommthin~ to think about and b~ pert of the discussion. Sehr/ Sommbody~houldmmmt withStrsbbsrors day nl~hc andreimy the clty*a r#ltn~s. tie o ovid hays· reprmntetlvethare and you could have m rmprmmmntmtivm ttkln5/ #e will c~11 Bolkc~/... Is the city ol~o:m,md to m~y coms~l·l devmlolmmnt there? Horow/ Initially we t~rm...counoil ground ..... less th&n what he was talking mbout .... Lacina/ mini~l sehr/ Nov/ What I thought would us~ was the natural lxamdarl~s of the creek .... Horow/ Nov/ May be logical to separate industrial and co~ercial with that l'hi~ r.fpr~m m ,Le ~ · ~ Kx:umt~ b._ m: Iptk,.i o4r thai k)wl C3Iy comicl maidno og W~$ City And The Johnson County Board of ~lsors Page 6 natural boundary. Kubby/ Through your sonin~ proc~ vou~.d t~h~re b~ any a~ut h~ to mitiqate any kl~ of ~ off f~ ~rkl~ areas or Just extra p~utio~, septic fields ..... ~at Is ~rt of the water sh~ d~ ~ at Sn~ ~ Lacina/ Xn the sonir~ process, no. Kubby/ ~ould that be par~ of th~ plattin~ proo~u then? Lacina/ Throuqh the pl&ttinq it would be · condition as far as the infrastructure. Xorow/ $oam of thin companies in BOX have, on their o~n, ut up s containment situation ..... Mhoevmr cornera up vith t~m covmnant for the land for the pietro in this arma for mitigation of runoff and storm water .... Lacina/ By public &mmimt~ncm, do ~o~ roman mt~rmmtm .... or actuml qrants? lnfram~ctu~. far. Nov/ Not q~ants. Kubby/ If our nam~ is on a ~ qrant- Nov/ X was thinkinq of other qrants. Lacina/ So in trying to think of an m~mplm .... ltI~B fund~ .... what conditions... ? Kubby/ Some of ~he iramumm are ho~ many Jobm a~m thm~m, what April 4, 1995 Joint Neetirol of The City Courtoil of Iovi ¢it¥ And Tht Johnion County Board of Supervllorl Page 7 rate of pay in comparison vith other similar Jobs in thl county ..... things that are with CEBA in tern of b~nefitl and terms or the wagl... other thins... kinds of benefits .... product that is made, where is the product Is golnq to end up, pollution prlvention proqrans, run off prevention progress .... doeln't mien there is qoinq to be a majority of p~opll Inetrested in all of those but tho~e are the kinds of things we are talking about .... Concept of sustainable economical devllopnent .... waste...product... support business to local businesses .... create stronger local economies .... ~acina/ .... ICAD meeting...Proctor end Ga~ble not being ebll to expand on site...next phase may be finding s vlr~house... In order to expand their production line .... ~l~e industrial park might be a w&rehouse ..... put in Jobs .... When you look st it... with the ide~ of how it affects the surrounding county as well .... Kubby/ Fits in with conoept .... ve vo~ld not like to see warehousing. But if the warehouse supports expansion of Jobs that have some of those oilier ~ltl~ ~l~ ...... ~t ~t vireouse mile ~o~ o~er ~i~...fits In ~f~ly with ~is concept of sul~/~ble ~. Baker/ ...idea of promoting already uisting busiessee ..... fits in with that qoml .... Kubby/ Nov/ ~artety of state kinds of things that elso fit into this .... Dept. Of Agriculture of s gr&ntprograB...non-tridittonal fuel production .... Lacina/ Canning Co ..... worked out real veil for Genstel NilIs .... Application .... objective in the Winning may not be the reality in the end ..... Kubby/ ..... talking about sonekindofperfo~nonitorirKj ..... pay back in a pro-rated way .... crawl beak a~x~,- mt ..... needs to be so~e recourse Baker/ Lacina/ It would be difficult in selectively appl¥1n~ ..... Nov/ ~hat helped us with this Can Co. wast here was a contract that This rel~eSal~ ody. rs4sand3dy Iccum~ b- ~: ltXi~ c4 ~e low. C~/ax.~11 m,N41ng d Alxg 4. 1995. WSG4.0495 April 4, 1995 Joint ~tir~ of The City Cotmoil of City And The Johnson County Board of Supmwisors Page maid they vould repay this money if they didn't succeed .... Lacina/ If they are solvent and varlab~ .... What ¥as the one ouC ln Eastdala...matal toothpaste Company .... Victor Reynolds .... then they converted it into the mall .... ~ubby/ Horov/ Our responsibility to explain this to thepublio .... vhatve vould like to see there .... reality ..... matter of selling it in a realistic manner that is our remponsibility ..... Kubby/ Thrng/ #ithrmqardtothmmumtminmblm dmvmlo13mmnt~n~mpt, it might help to think matmpboricmlly very brimfly .... choosing to spend some money to plant momm trmms .... ummm nutrients .... leaves fall do~n... providmmnutrlants for further qrot~h .... lmavmm fall and thm nutrimntmrmc~cle Into the soil... You can imagine planting a hey b~minmmm...qro~m...~amtm products... that arm then ummdb~otherbuminttl~ Ant he local community ~hich in turn produc~ products thmt cmn b~ ummd to hmlp nurture theism m that--... thmt Am & v&y of thinking about sumtithable development CM~CIp% ..... SO if Vm think about Anvelting funds in & emilnell park .... Baker/ Me had a m~mff rmport ~.~-rmd o~ thm ~lm concept of sustainable gro~t~ ...... Bolkcom! I am unclmar~hmthmrthim im~ingtob~ tnt~moAty or An the county in tmrmm of t~o diffmx~nt ~lm, the ~trsbm and the Houghton/T~ckm~ .... mr~m~? ..... Mho is doing lead on this? Horov/ When Steve and I talked vith Siribm .... iy fNling... ve are going to be getting & feeling trom h~m vhethir or not he v&ntm to be annexed ..... Me cmrTJlnl¥ mrmn*t going to be putting the infrastructure in there ..... if h~ dommn*t a~ked to be annexed. He does hav~ that right to ~a¥ no, h~ do~n*t ~ant to ..... better have plan B ready. Nov/ I think there viii be an advantage 1:o an lndumtr~ to be in the city to be on city rarer .... and that ~ort of thing .... Lacina! Fire protection vith the vatmr pum~ Am another example .... Positive things that the city could annex it .... S~reb... rill WS040455 , ] April 4, 1995 Joint Neetinc/ of The City Council of City And The Johnson County Board of Sup~rvisors Page want to kno~ what restrictions will be placed upon hlB and what benefits he viii receive ..... gre~ter opportunity for RISE fundiN .... overall plannln~ .... not herin to establish his own wastewater treatment facility .... If v~ work with the existiN bOI Board .... make soB~ modifl~ations .... they were discussing the idea of r~mtrictlons as far as Job creation .... by modification of those cov~nants...vl can use that is a telplats to move forward ..... ! think that will need to be answered to Streb or given some ~uidelinee ..... Duffy/ .... developers have to know that long list that you are talking about. Kubby/ #s need to get o~rselves tcKIsther to Bike some decisions .... only fair on the front end to talk about this stuff. Duffy/ ..... Next Monday night o~r P/{ neetiN, forial Besting .... anybody has a chance to say what you vine to say .... There is a public meeting for the public .... ~B411 segment of people in Johnson County thst have asked Be questions ..... if this is going to take place ..... I would be surprised if s(:m~ of the general public didn't sho~ up to &sk qu~stlon~ on the zoning ...... platting ..... A lot of ansn~r4d questions. Nov/ ~hat tiu of day is that Duffy/ 6:30 PN .... We can ~nd ycxl & schedule. Nov/ City council is meeting 6:30 thlt evening .... Duffy/ Xubb¥/ O.th?r.th~ng is ~h&t_ Is the po4~ibillt¥ during ~ county'm nexn =~Ggec mem!~on ~o talk &bout having & little pool of money for economic development ..... I~ould like tome more diverse form of tmrkinq together than Just the resorting. Duffy/ ...... Horow/ . Citizens in love City do have to pay infrastructure .... for the Xubby/ Lacina/ If we do it outside of the city ve would probably TZF the property and reinvest the appreciation and taxes back into it T!dsre~-al,~mdy.N4aon~dy~b .! b(i~ofmelo~mC~ycm~dmes~lng~fA~14,1~JS. WS040495 April 4~ 1995 Joint Nestinq of The City Council of Iowa city And The Johnson County Board of Supervisors Page 10 to cover our 20t that is to covered by RISE ..... specific use of the honey ..... Our Board viii have to discuss that and see what is viable and what Isn't .... Xubby/ Putting honey up front.. ,better .... Lacina/ Side benefits to the school .... Kubby / Lacina! Froa the standpoint right nov since it isn't platted .... valuation Is about $500 acr~ .... And ~ool district isn't really gainiN nuch fron it ..... By TIFfiN it they &rs really not losinq anythiN ..... But thowe are factors to consider .... Kubby/ ! think ?IFs are nors hidden to the public than havin~ a line lien in your budvet that you can point to and sayiN this is what we are doiN for economic developa~nt ..... Nov/ Kubby/ ...it: is less hidden, Horov/ Under ~2a I put both of£1c~ ~e~vr~h l~rks &~d Industrial city or Park Kubby/ Do you know many sores In vest part of toefl that are zoned for that? Horov/ NO but t~at is sorted that .... like to ~ us keep this... zoned alon~ 380, alonq ...Avenue of ~ ~ain~. 1~e arcs known as Clear Creek ..... The developers are looking at that in teZlS of residential. I would like to hear if anyone has any co~nents about that ..... Does the County plan on keeping all the ORP in Oakdale or do you potentially se~ It somevhe3:'e else I~cina/ several Individuals who are involved in the research park £roa the University did show interest in the Scott Blvd ..... ~hat would be developed in Oakdale would hove... keep it locally ..... loyalty to the University. ?hey are looking for This rfprd, li~,t8 only · reaeonddy accurate b 'Wc Ip(km 04' She iowa City omm,cl rooming of Apd 4. lS95. WS0404gS .( kpril 4, 1995 Joint NNtinq of The City Courtoil of Iowa city And Tha Johnson County Board of Sup~rvisors transplant locations for their industries ...... Northqats .... Is it true that qround is $6S,000 p~r acre? ASkins/ Clo~s to that. Lacina/ Based upon those numbers it is not viable. Horow/ Rlqht. ! want to kaap thasa ~ words on people°s brains. BolXcom/ Horow/ 380 and Ca~p Cardinal and N~lrosa and Highway Baker/ $o~ inclination on the p~r~ of o~m~rs to resorts? Horow/ Oh yes .... Nov/ ~ubby/ Is thar~ eny oonflic~ of sonin~ the industrial park for bo~h .... ORP/Indus~rlal Park? Ar~ thin any kind of use con£licts0 ~raffic conflicts,,.? ASkins! ! h&v~ sNn it done .... lndust~rial boildin~s are ueu&lly forced to uks .... ~or~ investment In t~eir bulldir~ .... There are $ehr/ Se~ that in D~s Noires or W~st D~s Noises .... Nov/ A~kins/ #e w~r~ &his to put so~e pretty inserts& uses in an industrial park ..... Notorola ..... Kubby/ A~kins/ Ny t~pression of Oakdale is ~t it is h~avlly office research .... University is al~o pretty hur~ary .... hungary to see $ome~hincj occur. rioroy/ ~k~ns/ Phazlaceut~ca! usage ~s a very ve~ process .... lots o£ water and sewer capacity .... l~ubby/ In terms o~ our zoning, Is that considered lndusl=ria~, the WS040496 April 4, 1995 Joint Neeting of The City Council of Iova city And The Johnson County Board of Sul~rvlsors Page 12 ph&lmaceutical? Arkins/ ! suspect it would b4 ..... they are actually producinq & product and ~4ov/ s.h,i~.pl~Or,itml.,round th. world... th,y h,v. d,vslop~d th. product. Horow/ Just vented people to be evare of these two typ~e of economic development and the potential. Lacina! Real quickly. Nonday night our options would be accept application as it etamSs. to~odif¥ the &pplic~tion. to defer the application for further research and it looks to m~ like ve have mo~ thins to discuss and fourth vould be to vote It down ..... Hope ve ~uld ei~ modify or continue discussion and I think it Gld ~nke wont unse to continue discussion. So that Is vhere I ~n conin~ fron. Tide r.~pr.,w~ only i r#scmteldy mccwm b. --; Iplk, nog the Iowa City c:ouncl meM~ ot' Apd 4. 194~. WS040495 April 4, 1995 Joint Heetinq of ?he City Council of Iowa City And The Johnson County Board of Supervisors Page 13 ~.QQ~I O~t!On B,'IOI T'w IOl~l Horov/ I had pl&ced at your seat materlaX on local option sales tax. Two issues are vhether or ,~L it goes on the ballot .... Here importantly, that we as locally elected officials are up to date on ~hat this actually meant because people are asking Baker/ When is the deadline for getting something on the November ballot? Karr/ End of August. Horow/ Solon has sent us a letter asking that we work with them on this issue and ! sent them a letter back saying that we are still discussing it andwe haven't rejected it but we haven't obviously endorsed it ..... Council has not come to a decision on it ..... Iowa City alone, if 1,722 people came up with a petition here in Iowa City, you have got it on the ballot because Iowa City makes up more than half of the county's residences. Bolkcom/ Is anybody working on that right now? Horov/ Not right nov. Baker/ But council can put it on the b~llot. CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 95-50 SIDE I Nov/ I think that when you are dealing with a contiguous co~munity it 1s one vote? So if the people in Coralville rejected it, however there yes still a majority strong enough among everybody else, they would have it whether they would have voted for it or not. It is not on a col~unit¥ by community basis. But on the whole contiguous mall ..... Horow/ On the update Coralville could vote to not accept that, right? Kerr/ Page 2, when cities are contiguous they certainly ...... But we do have additional provisions in the law that allows entities to reject within ..... I Just got this today .... Kubby/ Meaning a separate ballot Maeure that would severe the one community from having the sales tax? Th~ r.~'..,,t. ~ -, ,~.(]Mbl/= trlnKRXi~ M mlk),,,. Ci~y c~w,)dl ~ MAixl 4. 1995. WS040495 April 4, 1995 Joint Meetin~ of The City Council of Iowa City And The Johnson County Board of Supervisors Page 14 Kubby/ That is what ! am saying is allowed .... Patrick White/ ...The Board has not a~ed me to look at it. Kerr/ I Just got it half hour before I ca~e ..... that la a new issue since the last tins. Now/ We all have to be infor~ed before we decide what to do about it. Kerr/ I have been informed #9 addresses that, 3 paragraph ...... Arkins/ The tax can be repealed within a municipality which is contiguous to other municipalities. It has to be in for a year. Kubby/ So after a year a eeparate ballot? Arkins/ Then you can undo it. Kubby/ ...at so~e point I would like to hear...city and county needs to deal with it individually and then ~aybe come together. Baker/ X think the City of Iowa City ouqht to offer it on the ballot this Novemblr and council ouqht to decide if it were passed b y the voters how themon~y-...thepurpoee of the males tax .... Talked about it in tareeel the water rate increaeee. X think the council can put it o~ the ballot ..... X think there ie enough interest within Xowa City t~at Jumtifies letting the people in Xowa City decide whether they want a melee tax as long am they underat~ndwhare tAm.shay would be used ..... The council could aqree on the purpose of the eales tax and let the votere decide .... ouqht to get it on the ballot in Novelabet ..... Horow/ What does the Board feel about this? Sehr/ We have never really discussed it... agree withLarry... This November, county wouldn't be votlr~. It would Jt~t ~ tA~e cities... Horow/ Has Solon talked with you about this? Sehr/ Just through the newspapers .... Thls rel~esents only a reasonddy accurate U. : ~ c I~m ~ ~he Iowa Clt'y c:,mmd reelKing of Alxl 4. 1995. WS040495 April 4, 1995 Joint Heetinq of The City Council of Iowa City And ?he Johnson County Board of Supervisors Page 15 Duffy/ We haven't discussed ~his among ourselves. Thro~/ .... Question we would have to oak ourselves would be do we want to make some decisions about water and sewer first .... then decide this question about sales tax... or do we want to have the two questions proceed simultaneously ..... We should have a special council meeting focused exclusively on that point (sales tax). Baker/ We ought robeaiming towards t. he decision in time to put it on the ballot. Kubby/ Request the county discuss it and give us some feedback. Duffy/ Sehr/ We should discuss it with North Liberty and Cor&lvllle, too ..... ~hat Is the ~atter with doing It at JCCOG? Nov/ That is fine... Henry Her~ig did &sktheCor&lvllle Council to discuss it .... They ire planning to discuss it. Kubby/ Nay~e should ask th&tbeont~m JCCO~&~enda ..... I'll call Jeff about it. Dogs anyone here bays an objection to that? Nov/ ! talked to Jeff tod&y &bo~ a OllOl~C &g~ndi on l?th because ~e ~ Awa~s s~rt ~t S:00 ~. ~y~ 8o~tl~ after ~at ~eetlng. Laclna/ Are there sous exiles of s/m/l&r counties and municipalities .... me~or prop~rt.y tax relief .... Is there a ~odel? Kerr/ ~hy don't we get so~e other /n£or~atlon on what other municipalities In counties are dolN it and get back to you for discussion purposes. Is there any c-~mties you are particularly interested in? Lacina/ Story .... Baker/ And you are suppose to designateupfrontvherethemoney-? Kerr/ ~7- Baker/ If you renove the water issue we don't have a compelling reason .... This rslw#ents ~ly a rsaso~/~aws~ b- ~- ~ il.4k,~ o~ ~he Io~m C~/cmm~ ~ of Alii 4. 1995. WS040495 ~pril 4, 1995 City ~nd The Johnson County Board of Supervisors Lacina/ Black Hark K&rr/ 100% dedicated to streets .... Sehr/ I~hman/ N~d to find out for sure is contlquous area...can ~ have it and Coralville not have it? Xarr/ .... No, Karr/ It is voted on in one larq, incorporated area .... I~h~an/ Coralville couldn't repeal it after a Ncv/ Yes. L~h~an/ mJor chanq. in the law. Lacina! #e could probably do th~ r~earch for I~AC in the countlu .... or ~ork tog~ Bolkcom! ! have h~ard eo~, cor~e~n frc~ rural folk~ ..... Ustr~ & very regrusive ~ax to pay ·lm r,%,,tlfiv~ f,~ .... ?brow/ Curious to kno~ ~dlich was ~ t,~,~,~:usive.... Horov/ #ould the unincorporated ~ or the ommty have any benefit from this in t~r~ of ~y ta~ Horow/ Bolkcom/ #e haven't indicated ho~ we ~ould apply our funds .... property tax relief... Sehr/ We haven't even talked about it... Joint #eetinq of The City Council of Paqe Th~ rqve~nt~ ody. re~meulbh, icoJrl~ b ;- ~ IP~dl Of Ih~ JOwl Cky COUncil m#iMe of Apd 4. 1~5. WS040495 April 4, 1995 Joint Heating of The City Council of Iowa City And The Johnson County Board of Supervisors Page 17 Bolkcon/ ...sales tax is & flat tax... It would be taking very sales tax which is very regress~v~ .... property tax which i~ a little less regressive. asker/ A sales tax in qener&l is a r~raeeive tax and undar othar circusstances ! don't think it would be &ppropriate to consider it in Iowa City .... lnt~rast a~ong people in Iowa City,.. ~ could present it to thu ..... Then it is a choice the coBunity ~akes .... ~ don't l~pose it. It is their choice .... Lehman/ ...~uddy the water. I don't think that when you are faced with a huge water and sewer bill .... look at a sales tax... the public is not going to look at it as carefully as we are lookinq at it ..... Nov/ This is a way to say that futur~ increase will be less oevere..** Baker/ Bolkcon/ If it go~s o~ the ballot w~ ~hould do good education on it .... People that own property sr~oingtobemore likely to b~ voting .... Lower lncoa~ p~opla do not vote... Horow! Thru/ ~e number of etuden~ who 11~ h~e... they ~y so ~ny Sehr/ You can,t convince ~ that s ~ in s $300,000 house, buying all kinds of axp~nsl~ furnlture...lmn,t going to ~ ~yinq ~e pretty tax for 8.: ~y up on 3~on Street .... ~at is 11vl~ on s~lal s~lty ~ ~t ~yl~ an~hi~ .... I don*t see vh~e It Is e r~re. ive tu ..... ?hr~! $ehr/ People spend ~ore ~oney accidently than so~eone .... Lehman/ Baker/ Throg/ A question about the sales tax ..... Do we have the ability to exclude certain goods fro~ the sales tax? This rqxesents edy I reasonably ecc:unKe b-~: ~k~ o~h, iowe C:3ty cored meeting d Aiad 4. 1995. WS040495 April 4, 1995 Joint Nesting of The City Counoil of lava Cit~ And The Johnson County Board of Supervisors Page 18 Karr/ Nandated to exclude sou .... l~aker/ We do have the ogtion of putting into it a sunset deadline ~4ov/ Lacina/ ExEmptions are food, e~dicin~, automobile .... Nov/ ...beco~es ~ complicated. Sehr/ . ;.tickets at the Univ~reity... is sub3ect to the It sales tax .... To my )wayledge athletic tlc~e~J were not called & use ~x and has nothing to do vith ~ eels& tax. Hay/ lqubb¥! Is alcohol taxed? At&ins/ ..... Throg/ One big question ! have about t~e Islam tax is ~Xemplified b~ this. 14hy ~hould .s: ~nl vho tm~ slothes in d.t. Isys city, a visitor vho bun clothes in d.t. lava City, help to pay for a vat~ plant? Lacina/ If the count~ chose to use it for re&do ..... we would say yes they are using our re&do coming in .... Throg/ Addressing that to o~r follow ooqlr~ll loll~rl .... Horse/ Lehn~n/ If they coi~ into tcnm and true ~J~ ~tau~anl~l .... increase in cost might not be as much .... SeAr/ Kubby/ ! think the price of a meal Should reflect the actual cost .... herman/ ..... 3~ds ~vsenu ody a~m~at~y acetate U .Icrlt,4k, m ol'ftolowaCItycmmd ~ofApd4. 1996. W~404~5 ~ri! 4, 1995 Joint ##ting of Tha City Courtoil of Iowa City And The Johnaon County Board of Sup~rviaor. Page 19 Kubby/ Thaoratically tha ·ales t·x plu· tha r·ta lncrea·e ·hould lm the ·aria &· Ju·t tha rata incra··a vithout a ~ala· tax .... qoinq to be the ·am· a· a hotel a~d restaurant .... L~hman/ Kubby/ Baker/ Horow/ Purpose of havir~ this Nt~rial.,. th&t w do m~rt talklP~ about it ..... Bolkcon/ I haven't had any c~11a fro~ i~eopla tallinq m they want mor~ tax·· ..... Solon... if it la · qreuroots thinq... Horoe/ Ho~ are you qoin~ to sexist Solon...? Nov/ I would ·&y let's · co~ of this to th~ ~r of Solon and be sure that everybody Who is talkin~ about is talkinq about it with qood lnfor~ation ..... Sehr! Other- Nov/ Horow! #e will leav~ t~at for tl~ ommt¥ to do- Duffy/ Iowa City put~ to ule~ t~m i~u~ on th~ b~llot .... don't lika the idea of luvl~ Coralvilla Xn · bX~d ~£ they vote it do~n. They would hmv~ it for · ~ar if they ~ould like it or not .... Xf waw~nt throm~ tha oount¥ by p~tition, would that apply? Kerr/ Yas. Nov/ The petition Just puts Xt on the baXlot. Duffy/ Horow/ Get it on tha ballot altd lat thee rots. Nov/ I an on tha board of ~b.% L~B .... Kubby/ So in teram of JCCOG, ~aybe Jurt~wottld be · good t~. City And ~he Johnson County Board Of Supe~vieore Page 20 Nov/ Check ¥1~h Jeff. ~ubby/ Throq/ Naybe l~e olty council can set & special work session on th&t particular topic. Nov/ Sehr/ Jln~e lde~.,.&11 the ~yore end everybody lit: do~n at · where there le only one or eye repr~sent&tlves fro~ each body. Horow/ ]:ova ¢lty to host & circle1 ~tin~ for ell og the ,ayers? $ehr/ I. would thlhk t~e ,~yors of ell the s~al! trams end the eul~rvleors vould be better than Just ~CCOG ~ubby/ Not Just .ayers...t~e ~bole body. Duffy/ .... #e oould ~et u~ · ~eetin~ ~ t~e sui~rvleore. #orov/ Does the eul~rvisors vent to t~ke the lead on this? Duffy/ Do you v&nt to be involved In it, too? l~orov/ Sure... Nov/ At the county bulldln~ .... Kubby/ ?hro~/ ..Would the purpose of that meetlz~{ to deoide... or to discuss... ? Horov/ Thro~/ ... It is one ~bin~ for 50 people to distains a par~tcula~ issue but it is anon. her to discuss At knovlr~ t~at 7 members fro] the Iowa. City city council can choose, can decide, whether to put it on the ballot. Me may be misleading people Nov/ ! don't think 50 people vould make that decision. ~pril 4, 1995 Joint Meetinq of Tile City Cotmoil of Ioea City And ~he Johnson County Board of Sul~rVllOra Page ll Thro0/ If the purpose Is for discussion, that u~uld b~ fine. aorow/ ~et'a see whether we can do this. Kubby/ .... Make aure ba~k~roundreadin~don~b~for~them~tin~ao ve don't s~ half ~e ti~ havi~ i~ff tell us ~at is In here .... So If we c~ld ha~ s~ a~n~ notice .... Bolkcoe/ ~[hen did you want to mr...? Duffy/ We have other thirds .... Horo~/ .... ~ot all of the mller cite# loo~lnq at loea City... havtnqth#underatandhoethey~ouldbeaffected .... #ouldbe helpful if we did call th# to~eth~r. Should th~ t~o of us work toqether and pull off a ~tinq, tin and place. Okay. We will let everybody else k~o~abo~t it. · Y April 4, 1995 Joint Meeting of The City Courtoil of Iowa City And The Johnson County Board of Supervisors Page 22 Tr,-ffio Coatrol ,Is-e! Horow/ Karen... Kubby/ There are t~o things, one is kind of specifio and one os very general. ~he specific one Is that ~ reconstruct Rohret Road again, the second half of it, this year Neler Avenue Is going to b~ used as a detour ~hich ~eans a lot ~ore turning and traffic coming onto Highway 1 South and our Police Chief is going to be getting a hold of your sheriff. Horow/ I talked with the sheriff today about this. Kubby/ ~he reason ! bri~j this up is so that you kno~ ~ are requesting that... ~ore communication .... 3ust the awareness and safety factor .... any support you can give us... ~ould be appreciated... Horow/ I talked to him (S~erlff) and he is ready to d~al with it .... He and the Chief ~hen the issues arrive... they viii be ready to deal with It .... Nopefully IDOT viii per~lt greater signage on Sighway 1 ..... potential for accidents there... this is kind of an awareness ..... Kubby/ Note general point.., especiallydian ~ dim~m the fringe area... are there some lnterse~tion that ~ c4n ki~ of ~ l~kinq at to m~ ~e~ in ~m ~tu~ ~ might ~vm similar discussions a~t ~rki~ t~~ ~ ~mffie control Issues .... ~ott BI~. aM ~1~ ~1~ ~d...nmmdl~ Horow/ Should come into the dimcussion about the industrialpark... Kubby/ Trying to be foreslghtful and hope the supervisors von*t be totally not ~1111r~ .... Duffy/ Bolkcom/ They don't do lights .... Lacina/ Further out on that industrial coeplcxwhere Kirkwood gens the property on the other side of 180.. -The state ~ in with a condition ..... that in the evt',= +~hat a light is needed, the developer will pay for it .... Kubby/ As we get into discussion about the fringe area, there might Th~ rmp~msm.ts only a masmmb~ accurate I,,,~,~k.m of IJm Imma C~/coum:~l meelin~ ~' ~ 4. 1995. WS04.0495 c~rtl 4, lggS Joint !letting o! The City Courtoil o! IM ty And The Jobnoon County Board or Svperviooro P&g~ 33 ws040496 April 4, 1995 Joint Nesting of The City Courtoil of love city And The Johnson County Board of Sultrylists Page 24 Horov/ I &n going to have to sake a phon~ cell hmee. ! vii1 right back. Nov/ Fringe area agraanent .... Kubb¥/ It yea on lest tiaa .... forwarded. ! re<p~eeted that it Just ba Baker/ This revia~dagrem~nt is subject to anoth~rp.h ..... And w~ need to settle on whether s~parate p.h.e or Joint p.h. Kubby/ It has been r~o~nded to hav~a Joint p.h. fro~he Joint committee. Nov/ I don't know whether P/Z has had their p,h.. ! think they should come first... They bawl... they hav~ already recommended this end ~owe should e~t I Joint p.h. eo~e tiaa. Anybody have any preferences about when? Duffy/ ...awfully busy ...naybe we can put it off for awhile .... two or three years .... Nov/ I viii give you two aonthm .... Lacina/ There are a couple Of que~tl~ in it putreining to restriction on i~l~rty ov~r 40 &~ which I me not sure whether legally wecanconfineonehousetobelmllt on 40 .... there are seas legal qu~stions that we ~ to mr. That probably the county needs to have · work asssion on it. Sehr/ And there was soa~ double asptie syst~a~ in th~re ~h&t we didn't quits undersr~and ..... surpriaedvithoity planning .... person on city staff said you viii ~o~ do anl~Jting with Chat ground until the county passes & fringe erin agreeBent. That is Just... black ~ail to me. Kubby/ In essence, since we don't have a new one, we are dealing with an old one, right? Sehr/ Kubby/ We have talked about saying if we can't get an agreement soon or an agreement chat is acceptable, we will Just say everything in the fringe area within a mile has to h~ to city standards. That is to a very cooperative way to be .... W3040495 April 4, 1995 Joint Nesting of The City Courtoil of Ions city And The Johnson County Board of Sui~rvisore Page 25 Nov/ I have so~e concerns about the bulldl~I restrictions ..... seer the firs coda .... ~aclna/ Sose restrictions .... #i~dmor Rl~Ie.,,not conslmtent with right across In th~ In a lees restrictl~ area ~ ar~ ~ssl~ r~latlons.,. ~l~ ~ld ~ ~eat~r ~an your ~ st~a~s .... I c~n u~ersta~ of s~rl~ an eas~nt for utilities ..... ~ubby/ This is s~thir~ that was adopted by both the county and the city. Laclna/ It was n~qotiated, too, ..... lots of gives and takes on this. Kubby/ Nayb~that is so~thl~I~dan update on... what did you g~ .... I an not really e~ ~at ~e gl~ a~ tak~ yes a~ ~y~ so~ kl~ of mtli~ ~ ~a~ f~ o~ staff ~uld ~ helpful for us ..... Baker/ ~aclna/ Nov/ #e should really set a date .... p~o~le are qone ln3~r~. Naybe we ought to think about ~o~thin~ ln Nay? ~acina/ Durlr~the pl&ntinq ~a~on it is ~oinqtobedifficult for Duffy/ By reading the docu~n~ .... on~ of the ~o~t restrictive documents ! think ! have ever read pertaining to the rural areas ....... This thing here... lead us right into court .... ?hrog/ Ny sense... ~lstir~Ifrir~eareaaqr~t is lnad~/uate... needs to ~ ~vts~.,. have ~ln rlohts .... ~ as so ~ere were t~ ~lsslon ~rkl~ on ~t~ to do ~at... unless you are clear to y~selv~ on h~ you r~ to ~e pro~s~ ~aft of ~e revi~ fr~e ~ a~e~t. If you are already clear a~ut ~at~y~don't negro talk~ yourself andore. But- Horow/ Charlie, is there a .ajorlty on the Board that- Stutsman/ I need a work session on the fringe area agreement and I ] ': April 4, 1995 Joint Neetl~J of The City Council of Iowa City And The Johnson County Board of Sultryleers Page 26 quess I agree with Steve on havinq the county have · ~ork session. ~orow/ Kubby/ .... ! am more interested in havinqan ·qr~m~ntth&t~ both feel ~ood about ..... What~ hay·currently is inadequate .... #e are lookinq for som~thlnq. Baker/ ! think it is a generalls&tlonl~t o!~of our p~rcsptlons is that t~e present arranq~nt has not l~n followed adequately or satisfactorily enough .... 9round that v~ can both aqrss Kubby/ Part of the problem is the p~rc~ptlon &bout the doc~amnt... Is it ls~uidellns or is it & r~Iul·tlon and~hav~differsnt viewpoints on that... that n~ds to Im clarified ·s well as what Is actually ended up with. Lacina/knex&~pls...specl&l aswl.a:~ :nt districts .... difficult for us for us to establish st~mnd~rds .... b~t ~n ~ are l~kt~ life of ~at h~se, It is dlffl~lt f~us to Justify to ~ose ~ral resid~nts... Nov/ The way Z read it is stiml~rds will b, oity rvr·l standards which are not sid~alks, Lacina/ Baker/ Kubby/ This wasn't so~ethlr~ that the city I .~ on the county. It was · Joint ~lttee with joint staff and Joint P/Z Commissions ..... I do b~lleve it ~&s done toilether .... Letman/ ... I do think P/Z Commtssions~ork at the pie·stirs o! the COUnCil,., yOtlr responsibility.. to say hey... we have to 9o back and look at this again .... Lacina/ ~his qtves us a place rework from .... Kubby/ .... Sohr/ A couple of t ham .... There is an area out there north... some of it is outside the two Ills Jurisdiction .... cluster WS0404.95 April 4, 1995 Joint ~tinq of The City Courtoil of lo~a City And The Johnson County Board of Sup~rvisors Page 27 houaes...only build so,any houeea p~r acre... and you are not thlnkinq about annexinq out there... ~mt of lo~a City... another water shed .... Traffic co=2~7 dGvm your roads .... they won't siqn off on that west out there... not riqht .... Nov/ Can va met up meetitem to talk about the fri~qa area**.? This is an agreement that can be chanqed by all of us. CHA~E TAPE T~ REEL 95-~0 SIDE 2 Throq/ The Zoning Couission to vork for a revlsion...~ need to do precisely the ease thinq. #a have not talked about this revised proposal in tam of whether v~ think it is what we want to be doinq aa far as the city la concerned. Nov/ I think that the Coa~lsalon~ that have recoemended a Joint p.h. had made a good r~ation .... Throq/ I personally am quite happy to do a Joint p.h ..... Baker/ Purpose of the p.h .... for the public... on mo~ethinq that we have tentatively aqreed to and~en~edto have so~e clarity on what we arm going to pre~ant to the p.h ..... City Is ~ore clearly on record about ~hat it Am comfortable with than the County is .... Xf thia lm ~ot eatiafactor~, ~hat Ze? ..... Lelman/ Steve (Lacina) if ~ kno~ specifically what thinqa are objectionable to you .... hopoint in hayinca p.h. if you know you cannot accept this document ..... Laclna/ ... might as cell have the ~ork amesions, clear the air and than- Throg/ Bolkcom/ We need to schedule a tl~e when ve can sit do~n and work through it. Kubby/ Can we get somethir~ from staff ~-hat talkm about what waa given and what was take~l on each side...? Lacina/ We do have the three diff~rent copies...shows what was struck...what was added .... Kubby/ As to how the decision was ...... In orde~ to make this Thls mrvesenU ody a raf,(nd~ ~ b, ,~: ~ o~ h bwi C~y c0und fiNeting H Apfl 4, 1996. WS040495 ~pril 4, 1995 Joint Nd~ting Of ~he City Loanoil of love City And ~he Johnson County !~o~rd of ~rvllors Paqe 28 aolkcom/ ! vond~r if v~ ctn got ~isslon ~:rs to sttend the york ussions in p~rson to eniv~r qu~etions... ~he ~ounty... I eesu~e the city n~mds to hev~ · semilet ~ork s~ssion .... l..actna/ ]Cubby/ N~yl~ we ~ould so~goal In mind in t~rBs of the tim fram~ ..... that vs will get back touch other. Horov/ Suggest Nay 30, 31 .... At. kine/ Ruind yo~...ltior policy dilc~llionl .... tIP .... end prepare & whole eul~Lry of Rtlr end ~r proJ~-t... summary of the polic~ IIIU~B. Ney vent to i~h~dull it for in off evening .... k~p that in mind .... Sehr / · hrog/ Hsv~ emm~ of what th~ tim ll~ vo~ld ba for both bodies .... Kubby/ SeedtiM in the ~ ten vsdks ve rill ~ · hold of each other and have had thes~ ~mrk ~1oas $ehr/ ...re need to ~t first .... $ehr! ?~ke ~y word for It, ~ .e~otl&tors did & ~uah batter }oh than our negotiators. 'rhi. r,~/,lff 148 rely I rli. 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