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November 1, 2004
City Council Work Session
6:30 PM
Council: Bailey, Champion, Elliott, Lehman, O'Donnell, Vanderhoef, Wilburn
Staff: Atkins, Dilkes, Severson, Franklin, Helling, Karr, Nasby, Davidson, Mejia
Tape 04-61 (Side A)
Human Services - Red Cross
Lehman: First item of business is two agency presentations. First is the Red Cross. We
have Bob Ross and Angela. Is that correct?
Ross: I am Bob Ross. I sit on the board for the Grant Wood Chapter of the American
Red Cross. I've sat on the board for four years now. I also serve on the Audit
Committee, the Finance Committee, the Plan Giving Committee and finally the
Johnson County Committee. What we do on that Johnson County Committee is
to. . . part of what we do is to look at the special needs of Johnson County, how
best we can serve those needs and deliver the services that we need to our
clientele here.. . and finally, what can we do to get the people here more involved
in helping us to fulfill our mission to help those people in need. It has been a very
rewarding experience. It's a wonderful organization. They do a lot of good work.
Having been involved with them for four years I've heard just so many stories
about the work they've done. Whether it's been in Florida with the hurricanes or
9/11- what they did in New York or in Oklahoma City - the range of services that
we provide, from psychological counseling to serving meals, to collecting blood
to take it where it's needed. Over the past four years, it's been my pleasure to
work with Angela Schmucker, who is now our Executive Director. She has taken
the organization over in the last few months and she has had a lot of experience
and we are just very pleased to have her. Angela.
Schmucker: Good evening. Thank you for having us here tonight. It's a pleasure to come and
share a little bit of information about the Red Cross with you and to thank you for
your continued support of our organization. I've handed out a little one-page
sheet that's got some highlights of our services. Just to kind of give you a little
bit of perspective on our chapter. We actually cover seven counties here in East-
Central Iowa, Johnson County being our second-most populous county. We have
approximately a thousand volunteers registered with our chapter about twenty
full-time paid staff. You can see the ratio of paid-staffto volunteers is high which
really helps us to leverage that financial support that we get.
Champion: I'm sorry, how many paid staff did you say you have?
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Schmucker: About twenty regular full-time. We have some.. . about twelve part-time that go
out and teach some of our health and safety classes but they're on a fee-for-
service kind of basis. Our services include our Emergency Services department.
This is our disaster response. We assisted fifty-two adults and children last year
in Johnson County alone and over three hundred and fifty throughout East-Central
Iowa. We have, in the last year - one of the other things that we do is educate the
community in being safe and prepared - and we have in the last year implemented
a new format for training our volunteers to be able to go out and do this. We're
calling it Disaster College and folks come in for six weeks on a consecutive, say
Tuesday night, and they come in for training and we've graduated more than
thirty people from Disaster College in Johnson County in the last year. So, it's
been a very successful format for us and we're excited to have those new folks.
I've included some statistics about our ratings on service delivery from our
clients. As you might guess in our services, we don't stay with our clients for a
long period of time so we don't have the outcomes of seeing changes in behavior
and those kind of things. So, we look at how we're doing in terms of service
delivery based on how our clients feel after they have had an experience with us.
We feel good about the numbers that we show. Also, in Emergency Services we
provide services to our armed forces and their family members. We are the
recognized communication link between family members in Eastern Iowa and
their service person wherever he or she might be. So, for example, ifthere is
news of a birth here in Eastern Iowa, the family members needs to contact the Red
Cross so that we can share that information with the service person and hopefully
be able to bring them back home to be with their family. This has been a
traditional Red Cross service throughout our history and it is an on-going one,
even in the advent of technology, where you'd think a lot ofthese things could be
communicated a little more quickly. We relayed forty-six of those emergency
messages last year between family members and service persons, and ninety-one
percent ofthose persons felt that we had done a good job in providing that
service. We also have a health and safety program. This is where we do a lot of
our training, our first-aid, CPR, water safety.. . something new in the last couple of
years for us is automated external defibrillation. A lot of people are hearing a lot
more about that - AED's are in many public places. We trained more than seven
thousand people in Johnson County last year in these life-saving courses. Ninety-
eight percent rated their overall satisfaction as good or excellent. Ninety-two
percent agreed that they would feel comfortable responding in an emergency.
We'd like to see that ninety-two percent be a little bit higher, but it's a good place
for us to start in any case. The other service that we provide in Johnson County is
blood collection. We are the.. . almost. . .we supply almost have of the nation's
blood through the Red Cross Blood System and we are the only national blood
collection system that exists in the country. While we're one of many blood
collectors.. .it's my personal feeling that all of us who are collecting blood are
doing a very important service for the country. Needs continue to outstrip our
resources and I would encourage anyone who can to give blood through any
venue they might have access to. It's very easy and very important to do. We
collected.. .the previous year we collected six-hundred and thirty-five units. Last
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year, we collected eight-hundred and four just in Johnson County. So, the public
has certainly been more willing to help out in that area, which we've been grateful
for. Bob mentioned that we started a Johnson County Advisory Committee at
very beginning ofthe last fiscal year. We've been a little slow to get off the
ground, but we are getting some good participation. We feel that it's very
important to have representation from each of our counties, actively involved,
helping us to keep in touch with the local community. One of those members
from each ofthose committees will sit on our board of directors. That has been a
good addition to our committee structure. I'd like to answer any questions if
anyone has any.
O'Donnell: You're very thorough.
Champion: I think those of us in Iowa City, who maybe have not needed your services, do
appreciate all that you do, especially your emergency responses.
Schmucker: Thank you. Our volunteers are the ones that are out there doing that and I will let
them know that you said that because they're the ones doing the hard work. We
get to sit in the offices and do the paperwork.
Lehman: I think fifteen years ago, our entire Kiwanis' club took CPR ~ almost every
member. . . and you folks put it on. I'm not sure I'd be comfortable trying to
administer it, but at least we. ..
Schmucker: .. .at least you had it. That's why we remain with the one-year certification with
CPR because if you don't use the skills, you are statistically likely to not retain
them, even on an annual basis. Statistically speaking, you're much more likely to
use CPR or First Aid on a family member or someone that you know and love
than you are on a stranger. So, we feel it's very important.
Vanderhoef: How many local volunteers are in this traveling group that goes out to other
disaster areas?
Schmucker: Probably about a dozen who are still actively involved in going out. We have
others who would be trained, but for health reasons or personal reasons don't
want to go out at this time. So, I'd say about a dozen.
Vanderhoef: Is that hard to recruit those people and keep them?
Schmucker: Actually, it's not as hard as you might think. Once they sort of get a taste for that,
they kind of get it in their blood and it's very rewarding. At the Johnson County
Advisory Committee meeting we had last week, we had two of our volunteers that
were recently back [rom the hurricanes, sharing their experiences with us and they
talked a lot about struggles and difficulties, as you can imagine in the devastation,
but through it all they talked about how rewarding it was to be able to help
people. I think once they've done it, they're kind of hooked.
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Elliott: Are you able to pay at least a portion of their expenses?
Schmucker: The Red Cross nationally covers their expenses fully. But their time is
volunteered.
Human Services - Mavors Youth Emplovment Pro2ram (MYEP)
Lehman: Thank you so much. Thank you, Bob. Our next presentation is the Mayors Youth
Empowerment Program. Troy Thompson.. . and is it Cokie or Cookie? Cokie.
Okay.
Thompson: My name is Troy Thompson. I am actually a commercial lender at Iowa State
Bank and Trust and I have been a resident of Iowa City for seven years now and
was looking for an opportunity to get involved in the community and to help
make a difference. With that said, Ijoined the board of Mayors Youth about a
year and a half ago...a little over a year and a half ago.. . and was recently
appointed the board president. Since joining the board, I've certainly seen that
Mayors Youth makes a difference in the community and we've made tremendous
strides, I think, as a board. Our board now consists of eight members and we've
done a really good job of bringing diversity to our board. I, myself, have a
financial background, so I provide some guidance there. We have a business
owner, a parent, (can't hear) person, an attorney, a teacher, an employment
specialist and a counselor. Also, since joining the board, we've been very active
in starting committees and getting those going involving both board members and
staff members. One of the major things we've talked about, since I joined the
board I think, has finally come to fruition.. . and that's - we're excited to move
from our current location, which is on Dodge Street to the Broadway area.
Needless to say our current facility has surpassed it's useful life as evidence by
the demolition notice that's posted on the front door. (Laughter). We're really
excited about our new location. It's going to give us a much better space to
provide our services. It's going to be a better location for many of our clients and
it's going to provide some continuity for us so we can move forward with some of
the things we want to do. Obviously, it was kind of a struggle - we found it pretty
difficult to find a space that was suitable to meet our needs, and that was
affordable, and I think it's worth noting that Southgate Development has really
stepped up to help us out and provided us with a great space and a great
opportunity. Just quickly...I think a couple of things. . .what my primary goal, as
a new board member of Mayors Youth is first and foremost, I think, is to continue
to make a difference in the community by providing services to the youth and the
families that need assistance. Secondly, I think it is to just show off a little. We
really need to do a better job as a board and as a staff of educating the community
on what we do. That being said, we need to expand our fund-raising efforts to
give the community an opportunity to help us and obviously it's difficulty to do
fundraising if the community isn't fully aware of who we are at Mayors Youth
and what we do. That being said, I'll turn it over to our Executive Director, Cokie
Ikerd, and she can tell you what we do.
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Ikerd: We do have to give a lot of credit to Southgate for our up-and-coming move, but I
also want to let you know that Troy has been instrumental is working with
Southgate and collaborating with them, negotiating with them on this new space.
The good thing is that the space that we're currently in is currently owned by
Southgate and the space that we're going to is owned by Southgate, so even
though we do have a demolition notice at our current location, we will not be
homeless because Southgate will keep us in some place. I am Cokie Ikerd and I
have been with MYEP for almost fourteen years now. I've only been the director
for approximately two years. It's been a great challenge to be the director. I
really have a passion for this organization. Obviously, staying with it for fourteen
years, I do believe that we have something to offer the community and I want to
tell you folks that we truly do value the money that you give to us to do youth
employment. We hope that you think that we spend your dollars wisely. As you
can see on the handout, I kind of gave you a breakout of where your money is
going. We'll cover that a little bit later. A brief history about Mayors Youth - we
were formed in 1968 as a federal initiative encouraging cities to provide summer
employment opportunities to disadvantaged youth and young adults. As the needs
grew in Johnson County, then we expanded our services to become year-round.
The need continued to grow and we were a quazi-department of the City ofIowa
City rrom that time up until the 1996, when Mayors Youth made the decision to
move forward with becoming a 501(c)(3) private non-profit organization at that
time. We have a mission statement. Our mission statement is to provide
advocacy and support to youth and their families who face barriers to
independence. As we continue to see youth come through our doors, the barriers
get a lot more and they get to become a wide variety of barriers. It's just not
finding a job and keeping a job. We need to work with the families, we need to
work with the youth on transportation if maybe they don't have the ability to get
to a job or they live in such a location that transportation is an issue. We take that
into consideration, we work with them, we try and take into consideration where
they live and possibly try to find employment in that area. With our services, we
are very proud of the fact that our services are very individualized. Every person
that walks through our door, we try and deal with them on a one-to-one basis. As
you can see, we served in last fiscal year - which our fiscal year ended on
September 30, 2004 - we served one-hundred sixty three youth - and as I said
that's very individualized. We only deal with them one-on-one. Our staff is one-
on-one with the youth. We walk through them whatever aspects that they need.
Some youths come to us, they're fourteen years old and they have no employment
background whatsoever. They come to us needing everything.. .rrom
interviewing techniques to social skills to figuring out a transportation schedule so
that they can get to work from filling out applications - they might not even be
able to get themselves to a business location to fill out an application. So, it
would be the responsibility of our staff to take that individual and maybe drive
them around to different locations, figure out what their likes are, do assessments,
pick up applications, help them fill them out, return them, do all the follow-up
work, and we follow them clear through to getting the job and even beyond
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because some of them, once they get the job, still need assistance keeping the job.
It's not as easy to keep the job once they get it. They may not be able to show up
to work on time, they may not realize that they need to call in when they're sick.
On the handout, as I said, I gave you a breakout of how we spent your City of
Iowa City dollars. As you can see, seventy-seven percent of these dollars were
paid out in youth wages and fringe benefits. We think that's a pretty good way to
spend your money. Another think that MYEP has done to step-up our
employment aspects, last year we spent some of our training dollars to get one
person on staff as a certified job coach and another person on staff went to
training and became a certified job developer. What a job developer would do is
they would work with businesses and develop a job-site for a youth. They would
go out to the businesses, find out what the business is looking for, find out if
they're actually wanting to hire youth, and then we try and make a fit with youth
that we have in house looking for jobs. We're hoping with that we can make a
better fit more quickly rather than just doing a placement and hoping that it will
work. The job developer will spend some time actually researching jobs and then
getting to know what the client needs are and trying to make the best fit possible.
In addition, this past Summer, we started a new collaborative project with the - it
was called the Iowa City Community Bike Project - and this was in collaboration
with the Neighborhood Centers of Johnson County, Big Brothers Big Sisters, the
City ofIowa City, Bicyclists ofIowa City, and a few other entities. What the
hope's behind this project was is that we would get bicyclist bikes out to people in
this community that maybe didn't have transportation or didn't have the income
to get a bike or a car or anything of that nature. So, what we did on Wednesday
evenings at the Farmers Market, we'd go down and we'd set up a booth and some
of our youth would work the booth - so they were also learning some
employment skills, entrepreneurial skills, customer service skills - and we'd
check out bikes to individuals at low or little cost at all and they'd pay a deposit
and they'd get to have the bike for up to a year, and then they could return the
bike after a year or anytime within that year and get their deposit back. So, we
were really trying to encourage individuals to seek out other means of
transportation and give them an affordable means of transportation if possibly
they didn't have any. Another venture that Mayors Youth has been working on,
and this has been for some time now and I think it will go for some time in the
future, is that we're a member of the Workforce Investment Act Youth Advisory
Council and this particular group is working on developing or searching out a
certification process that's out there to certify youth that go through employment
training projects. What we want to do with this is we want to create different
levels of certification, so a youth or an individual would come to a program such
as ours and they would take a test at the beginning and we'd see what their skills
and abilities were. Then, we would help them with the skills and abilities they
were lacking in and they may take a test towards the end and they would test out
at a certain level. So, they maybe would test out at a Level II - so they'd get a
Level II certification and what that would do is that then they could go out to
businesses and say, 'I have a Level II certification, I am proficient in these skills.'
We are also trying to get businesses to buy into this aspect as well, because you
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need the businesses to buy in. So, what they would do is say, 'We're looking for
individuals with the Level II certification.' - - so it would be a better match. The
one thing that is already out there that we're looking into is the Work Keys.
We've spoke with Don Carstensen about that, this group has.. .but we're doing,
like I said we're doing a lot ofresearch. We've gone to other states to see what
type of certifications they're implementing. It's been a long process, I think it's
going to continue to be a long process. Kirkwood Community College is
involved in this, the Workplace Learning Connection, and we also have different
businesses such as Mercy Hospital, AEGON, and several other places and
organizations. Currently MYEP, myself, I am working on several grants. One is
youth-mentoring grant that we hope would be up-and-running by next year if we
were to receive it. We're also working on a bicycle grant to supplement the Bike
Library Program that I just spoke about. So, those are two things that are in the
works at this time. And then, as Troy said, the most immediate concern on all of
our minds is our move. We're looking forward to it, we'll be close to different
organizations, we'll be more visible we believe in the community, we'll be more
accessible out at the Broadway Neighborhood area, so we are looking forward to
that and we truly do appreciate what Southgate has done to get us out there.
We're hoping for a move date of December 1 S\ but that's what we're shooting for.
We're being flexible and so is Southgate, so it's up to them. They're kind of
building to suit for us for what our needs are, so we'll get out there as soon as we
can, and once we get that done we plan on, after the first ofthe year, having an
open house and hope to see all of you there and to check out our new facility and
see what we do. I will entertain any questions if you have any.
Elliott: Cokie, I have a couple of questions. What are the age parameters of the
individuals with whom you work?
Ikerd: The employment aspect, we like fourteen to twenty-one. Twenty-one is the high
end, fourteen because child-labor laws state that you must be fourteen for
employment.
Elliott: The WorkKeys. Did you say you're now using or you're looking to the
possibility for using?
Ikerd: We're looking to the possibility. There is some discussion of...it was utilized
here in Iowa City.. .at one time students took that - took the WorkKeys tests in
schools - but it kind of fizzled out, so we're trying to delve into why that
happened. It's a very good tool to utilize, so we're trying to figure out ifthere
wasn't buy-in from businesses or what have you. We don't really want to create
anything new with this aspect, so that's why we're trying to do as much research
as we can. I know that Don Carstensen is on the Education Committee with the
Chamber of Commerce and he's trying to get the WorkKeys back into motion as
well.
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Vanderhoef: One of the things that's happening with the WorkKeys and the Workforce
Development program is for all frames of youth, and others, and they're trying to
get the cost ofWorkKeys down to where it's a usable tool. Schools were fighting
real hard to continue to enroll businesses to come up with enough money so that
they could make sure that all the students would have that opportunity to get
work. I know that ACT has been working on trying to come around with some
better programming for that in cost wise.
Ikerd: You may know this, Dee. We've talked a little bit about the fact that we wouldn't
have to implement the whole W orkKeys test. We could do portions where we
saw that maybe the youth need to concentrate on so they wouldn't have to take all
aspects, which would bring the cost down a little bit.
Vanderhoef: Uh-hum.. .because.. .the span ofWorkKeys knowledge base is huge and it doesn't
fit all potential workers. Can you can tell us a little bit more about your total
budget and also your FTE' s and how. . .
Bailey: - and volunteers.
Vanderhoef: Pardon me?
Bailey: and volunteers.
Vanderhoef: Uh-hum.
Ikerd: Do you want the total budget for last fiscal year?
Vanderhoef: Uh-hum.
Ikerd: Our total budget for last fiscal year was approximately four-hundred and fifty
thousand. I say approximately because we're still closing out the books since our
fiscal year was September 30th. We have two permanent full-time staff on board.
We have a significant number of part-time staff. If you can imagine or not, that
goes up a great deal in our summer months because we do a lot of our job work in
our summer months.
Vanderhoef: In your presentation you mentioned a certified job coach and a certified job
developer. What length oftime.. . are they are part-time?
Ikerd: Yes. They were on staff already and they had agreed to participate in the training.
Vanderhoef: So they're part-time.. . alright. . . and where do you get the certification for job-
coach?
Ikerd: The job-coach certification came from Columbia... University of Columbia in
Missouri.. . and the job developer training came from APFSCME.. . and you're
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going to ask me what those initials stand for and I can't tell you.. .but I can get
that for you.
Champion: How many of your clients are served in the summer versus year-round? Do you
know how many year-round students that you work with compared to the
summer?
Ikerd: I would say.. . during the summer.. .I'm trying to recollect from this summer,
Connie.. ..uhhmmm....I would say about sixty maybe in the summer, just strictly
summer.. .sixty-to-seventy youth.
Lehman: Are these all referrals?
Ikerd: Yes, self-referrals, school referrals, one of the most recent referrals last year
started up. Cheryl McCormick is a juvenile court liaison out at West High and
we've been working with some ofthe students that she sees on a regular basis
doing youth employment with some of her students. We get some referrals
actually from the juvenile court office, maybe from DHS, and then there are just
individuals whq just seek us out. We may ask how they heard about us and it's
through word of mouth or someone attending our program. We have, Regenia,
you asked about volunteers. We have really stepped-up on our volunteer basis.
Throughout the year, I would say, we've had about fifty to sixty volunteers - and
I include board members, families, different aspects.. .but we have stepped that up
quite a bit. We've been attending different volunteer fairs and getting a lot ofthe
college students doing volunteer work for us - and that has helped a great deal
with our budget.
Champion: It sounds like you're kind of moving this program forward. You've been there
two years?
Ikerd; I've been the director for two years, yes.
Champion: The last time I visited your agency, 100% ofthe youths you were helping were
mentally or physically handicapped and I thought there was a lot of duplication of
services. Do you think you've expanded now to include socially disadvantaged
youth that and other youth that need assistance?
Ikerd: Yes, we've taken a step in that direction, yes. I would say out ofthe one-hundred
sixty-three number that I gave you - we still serve mentally and physically
handicapped - we still consider them part ofthe disadvantaged population - but
out ofthe one-hundred sixty-three, I think last fiscal year it was either fifty-four to
fifty-seven individuals fit into that mentally and physically handicapped
population. They receive services either through funding the Mental Health
Development Disabilities department of Johnson County or the Home and
Community Based Services Waiver Program. Which they still- through those
programs we do employment with them among other things.
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Vanderhoef: Can you give me a rough idea... you told me you had many part-time employees
and the two-full-times.. .if you were to add up all your part-times, what would be
your equivalent ofFTE's?
Ikerd: The last year we had about 8.2 FTE's.
Champion: Thank you.
Lehman: Other questions? Thank you so much.
Plannin!!: and Zonin!!:
Item 5(a). CONSIDER A MOTION SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR
NOVEMBER 16 ON AN ORDINANCE CHANGING THE ZONING
DESIGNATION FROM MEDIUM DENSITY SINGLE-FAMILY
RESIDENTIAL (RS-8) AND NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION
RESIDENTIAL (RNC-12) TO MEDIUM DENSITY SINGLE-FAMILY
RESIDENTIAL/HISTORIC PRESERVATION OVERLAY (RS-8/0HP)
AND NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION RESIDENTIAL/HISTORIC
PRESERVATION OVERLAY (RNC-12/0HP) TO DESIGNATE THE
RONALDS STREET EXTENSION OF THE BROWN STREET HISTORIC
DISTRICT.
Franklin: Ready?
Lehman: You're up kid.
Franklin: We just have three items. The first is setting a public hearing on the designation
of the Ronalds Street extension ofthe Brown Street Historic District. That's just
setting a public hearing. This was a non-controversial historic district. (Laughter)
Ernie looks at me with amazement.
Lehman: I don't know if you're being serious or not.
Franklin: I am.
Lehman: Thank you.
Bailey: Do we have to set that public hearing on November 16th? Could we wait?
Lehman: This is not the one that we've been having our -
Bailey: Yes.
Lehman: It is?
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Bailey: This is Ronalds, right?
Franklin: Ronalds, yes.
O'Donnell: This is Ronalds and Brown Street?
Franklin: Yes, which there is solid support for. I was being serious.
Lehman: I know, Ijust wasn't sure.
Bailey: I thought you were being sarcastic. (Laughter)
Franklin: Miao?
Champion: I thought she made herself very clear.
Franklin: Thank you, Connie.
Lehman: Well, thank you Karin. We appreciate your candor.
Item 5(b). CHANGING THE ZONING DESIGNATION FROM 1-1, GENERAL
INDUSTRIAL, TO CC-2, COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL, FOR 0.33 ACRES
OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 611 HOLLYWOOD BOULEVARD (REZ04-
00022)
Franklin: Item B is a public hearing on a rezoning from I-I to CC-2 of some property south
of Highway 6 on Hollywood Boulevard. I'm going ask you to table this
indefinitely.
Lehman: Defer or indefinitely?
Franklin: Indefinitely. This is actually a application or a proposal that has come before you
by staff. We have initiated this rezoning at the behest of the realtor for the
property, but it was an area that we were looking at for rezoning for some time
and just had never gotten through the mechanism.
Lehman: So then do we hold a public hearing?
Franklin: You open the public hearing -
Lehman: And continue it indefinitely.
Dilkes: No, you can't continue a public hearing.
Franklin: No, you'll open a public hearing, close the public hearing, and then table the first
consideration indefinitely. Probably what we will be doing is we'll be setting a
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new public hearing but will close this one out at some point when we resolve how
we're going to proceed with this.
Lehman: Ok. Thank you.
Item 5(c). CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE PRELIMINARY PLAT OF JJR
DAVIS SECOND AND THIRD ADDITIONS. (SUB04-00023)
Franklin: Item C is considering a resolution approving the preliminary plat of JJR Davis
second and third additions. This is subject to escrow being provided for the
construction of one-half of the old Dane Road as such time that we do the final
plat and that the FAA approval be in prior to final plat approval. This is the
preliminary plat. I'll just refer you to the illustration in your books since I had
technical difficulties today.
Vanderhoef: The map is less than useful in the book this time.
Franklin: Less than useful?
Vanderhoef: It's a fairly simple subdivision in that it is the area of the Davis property east of
the new extension of Mormon Trek Boulevard. The piece that I'm talking about
for the escrow funds is on the East boundary, or the right hand side as you're
looking at, of the subdivision and includes a portion of what was previously Dane
Road. Remember, we're closing that off as a public street for the time being at
the southerly end of it and also at the northerly end where it interested with
Highway 1. In the future, the street that goes through the middle of the
subdivision is likely to terminate at that point at Dane Road. Because of the
potential fate ofthe property immediately east of there that is owned by the
Danes. The Northerly road in the subdivision is intended to continue on to the
East at some point in time when the Dane property is annexed and the Williams
property is annexed and we continue with the commercial-industrial development
that we put Mormon Trek in to act as a catalyst for. Okay? That's it.
Vanderhoef: The airspace study. Is that something that we do or is that something that.. .
Franklin: No, Mr. Davis will need to do that. He'll need to submit it to FAA and what
we're saying is that the airspace study should come before we give final approval.
The airspace study for the infrastructure improvements.. . and that will include the
storm water retention.
Vanderhoef: Is that storm water going to.. .will it be connected at all with the mobile home?
Franklin: No, the storm water detention is being planned for being on the Dane property
just South-West ofthe airport near the creek. Down the hill from John's house.
A!!:enda Items
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Lehman: Okay, thank you. Okay guys, agenda items?
Item 6. CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 5, "BUSINESS AND
LICENSE REGULATIONS," CHAPTER 2, "VEHICLES FOR HIRE," SECTION
5-2-8 "VEHICLE FOR HIRE REQUIREMENTS," OF THE CITY CODE BY
DELETING (B) "DISTINCTIVE COLOR SCHEME REQUIRED" AND
REPLACING IT WITH A NEW (B) "DISTINCTIVE COLOR SCHEME
REQUIRED" TO CLARIFY LANGUAGE. (FIRST CONSIDERATION)
O'Donnell: One quick question on item number 6. We're into the taxi cab thing again.
Remember when we had the -
Lehman: I think Marian can probably answer that for you rather succinctly.
Karr: I'm sorry, Mike, what was your question?
O'Donnell: I wasn't clear yet. . . we went into the big thing on the size of the letters and going
forward and backwards or up or down. I'm curious now.. .this is to.. .we're with
a specific color scheme to identify-
Karr: We have always had in the ordinance a distinctive color scheme. There seemed to
be some confusion over the past year or so whether it was one color scheme per
company or whether every time somebody bought a car they could put the same
size letter up or down on the car but change the color of it. We want to clarify
that the intent, we believe, is a distinctive color scheme per company. One color
scheme per company.
O'Donnell: And the size of the letter is the same?
Karr: Yes, sir.
O'Donnell: Thank you.
Lehman: Okay, other agenda items?
O'Donnell: We got into such a thing about the size of the lettering.. .
Elliott: Let's not go there again.
O'Donnell: That's what I was trying to avoid.
Item 3(e)(lO). Correspondence - Lu Barron: Public Leadership Summit Minutes Oct 7, 2004
Vanderhoef: The Leadership Summit. Are you still going to those or what's happening there,
Ernie?
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Lehman: I missed the last one because I was unable to go, but I have gone to all of them in
the past.
Vanderhoef: I just see the subject coming up that looks like the City would be interested in so I
wanted to be sure that somebody was there.
Lehman: Steve was there.
Vanderhoef: Great.
Item 11. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION TO ADOPT AMENDED STANDARD
OPERATING PROCEDURES AND GUIDELINES FOR THE IOWA CITY
POLICE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD BY AMENDING SECTION I RELATING
TO COMPLAINT PROCESS, AND NON-SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES AND
FORMATTING ISSUES, AND REPEALING RESOLUTION 00-355.
Elliott: I had a couple of questions on the police.. . here we go.. .changes.. .here we
go.. .just some very simple questions on that.. .to whom do they get directed?
Karr: The PCRB - the Police Citizen Review?
Elliott: Yes.
Karr: I can help you, I hope.
Elliott: Things like 'all documents and related material shall not be returned' - to whom?
Karr: The applicant. This is one section of the entire procedure that was simply looked
at, so without looking at the entire procedure - which is why we adopted it by
ordinance and attached the full body to it - it's to the applicant.
Elliott: Okay, 'complaints not inviting a sworn Iowa City Police officer.' Are there un-
sworn police officers?
Karr: No, but there are other police officers that people would like the PCRB to look at
like surrounding communities.
Elliott: So then associated with the police are officers who are not sworn police officers?
Karr: Not Iowa City Police officers.
Elliott: Whose would they be?
Karr: Coralville, University Heights, the County...
Elliott: So why would they come to us?
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Karr: Because there are some citizens who feel that there is no recourse, so they hear
the name of the board, the Police Citizens Review Board, feel that we can help
them and file a complaint, so by our procedures this is how we would respond to
such a complaint?
Elliott: Does that sound funny to someone else?
O'Donnell: No.
Elliott: What if Coralville people have problems with their water system or with their
ordinances. They don't come.. .we're sticking our...it seems unusual to me.
Dilkes: This is no different than someone filing a complaint with the Human Rights
Commission, which doesn't allege discrimination in any ofthe areas that we
cover.
Elliott: They would come to us with a complaint about a Coralville police officer?
Karr: No, this precludes... they would come to us...
Dilkes: This allows us to dispose of that.. .when someone complains about something that
is not covered by our ordinance.
Elliott: Wouldn't we simply say 'Those are not our police officers.. .you'll just have to-
Karr: We would if we were asked but sometimes we are not asked and they file the
complaint anyway.. .so this is the procedure by which we would respond back.
Elliott: I guess I'm just a little concerned with us sticking our nose in to some other
town's business.
Lehman: We're not, it specifically says we don't.
Bailey: This gives us a protocol for addressing the issue if they file.. .not if they call on
the phone and say 'can I file' but if they file.
Elliott: Why would we accept it?
Karr: Because staff cannot turn away any complaints. This is a standard operating
procedure for the PCRB. We would accept... we are not staffed in any position to
turn down any applications. For the same reason, Bob, you would get every
applicant to a board or commission even though some of them may not be an
Iowa City resident.
Elliott: I'm concerned that if somebody has a complaint about a Burlington police officer,
they can file through here?
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Lehman: We dispose of it.
Elliott: We dispose of it by saying 'that doesn't involved Iowa City'.
Dilkes: That is not something that staff is in a position to do. This simply sets forth the
procedure for disposing of those kind of complaints. That's all this does. Not in a
substantive way.. .based on the fact that they are not within the prevue of the
ordinance.
Elliott: I'm just concerned that we would do anything...if it involves Coralville we'd just
say-
Champion: We're not.
Bailey: We're not.
Lehman: But we do - it says no, we won't.
Elliott: But we don't accept it, it's not for us to deal with.
Champion: Once they give you a paper you have to accept it but don't have to deal with it.
Elliott: Ijust think that's totally inappropriate.
Lehman: No, you hand us the paper - we say 'Sorry, sir. This does not apply to us but
thank you.' This is what this does.
Champion: They get the paper handed to them and they turn it back. It's okay.
Elliott: We have a whole series of things we're supposed to do with things over which we
don't do anything.
Dilkes: That happens in every venue where complaints are filed. It happens at the
courthouse, it happens at the Department of Human Services when someone files
an application food stamps. You want to accept the filing, examine it, and then
reject it if it's not appropriate. What you don't want to do is have a cursory
examination on its face and reject it. For example, somebody files a complaint
that is outside the statute of limitations and upon first glance it appears to the
clerk standing at the desk that it's outside the statute oflimitations. It's not, that's
a problem then. The better way is to get it filed, examine it in accordance with
your procedures, and then reject it if it's not appropriate within the prevue of that
department.
Elliott: This has been an education but I certainly don't agree. I think we're sticking our
nose into Coralville's business.
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Champion: No, we're not.
Lehman: We're specifically saying it isn't any of our business and this is the procedure by
which we say that.
Elliott: Go ahead.
O'Donnell: Like Connie said, it's okay.
Item 9. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING THE PENINSULA PARK
SCULPTOR'S SHOWCASE.
Vanderhoef: On item 9, it's the art.. .it seems as though the intent of the committee is to have
that pad out there to be for a University's student art sculpture.
Franklin: No exclusively. I know what you're saying. That was what the impetus for that
was. That's what we're working with right now. I believe that this is correct
from a legal standpoint, that everything in the now-therefore be it
resolved.. .that's what's really important.
Tape 04-64 (Side B)
Franklin: The intent is not to have it just for the University ofIowa artists. I guess, if that's
because of the where-as the way this would come out, then we would want to
change it and it could be just by motion of deletion of the whereas on the floor
while Eleanor gets to it. This is establishing the Peninsula Park Sculptors
showcase?
Vanderhoef: Yes. The first whereas?
Bailey: No, the last whereas.
Franklin: The last whereas.
Vanderhoef: Well, the first one two is talking about giving Iowa art students an opportunity to
display their work in public. It's establishing a sculpture pad that will feature
such artwork.
Franklin: Are you looking at the resolution establishing the Peninsula Park Sculpture
Showcase?
Champion: No, you're reading the agreement by and between the City and the artist.
Franklin: That is the one that is specifically with that particular artist. The one that I
thought you were talking about, Dee, that establishes the program, is the first one.
And the last whereas says that a number of students have expressed interest in this
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opportunity but then the resolution is to establish the Sculptures Showcase to
feature our work of artists.
Bailey: I don't think it's necessary to change the whereas clause. You can change it if
you want to.
Champion: Dee was looking at the wrong paper.
Vanderhoef: Even so, when you say the University students are.. . and then your boilerplate
contract here...
Franklin: No, that's not a boilerplate. This is a specific contract and the packet.. .this adds
to the confusion.. .but the resolution is behind the contract as opposed to the other
way around in the packet. So.. .the resolution that is item number ten - which is
behind the contract as opposed to before it - is for a specific contract with a
specific artist - who happens to be a University of Iowa student.
Bailey: So could the resolution, that's before the contract, say whereas a number of artists
have expressed interest in this slab.
Franklin; It could, that would be just dandy.
O'Donnell: Probably should.
Franklin; If you would like to make that motion on the floor tomorrow night I think that
would. ..or we can revise the resolution and put it before you?
Champion: Yeah, revise it.
Franklin; If that would make you all feel good, I'll do that.
Elliott: That would be scrumptious.
Champion: I think this is a terrific idea and a great way to extend our art budget.
Bailey: I love it ~ especially right out there.. . that's such a great site.
Franklin: I'll revise that resolution -
Lehman; - whereas artists have expressed interest in this opportunity. Other agenda items?
O'Donnell: Hearing none.
Council Appointments
Lehman; Okay, then we're going to do council appointments. The airport commission we
have Michelle Robnett, who had served previously on the airport commission. ..
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Champion: And we're glad to have her back.
Lehman: I think with distinction.
Bailey: I'm excited that she's here.
Lehman: I really am to.
Vanderhoef: I am delighted that she is able to do this.
Elliott: I like that also except that I would certainly like... I am more interested in an
emphasis at this point on business and marketing than I am on someone being a
pilot.. .but this is what we have.
Lehman: Is she a pilot? She's the one who started the master plan for the airport.
Elliott: That's what I said.
Vanderhoef: She has run companies. She has marketing and all of that.
Elliott: And I'm more interested in a focus on that than I am with a pilot.
Champion: She's terrific. It's okay. (Laughter)
Elliott: I'm being attacked tonight. (Laughter)
Vanderhoef: She's taking care of you.
Lehman: Airport Zoning Adjustments. No applications. The Civil Service Commission.
We have had three applications.
O'Donnell: I would like to nominate Bill Cook.
Elliott: I would second.
Vanderhoef: I would second.
Champion: That's good.
Lehman: Do we have consensus for Mr. Cook?
O'Donnell: Sounds like it.
Lehman: That's a name I can pronounce. Historic Preservation.. .wait a minute...is that
where I am next?
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O'Donnell: That's a name I can't pronounce.
Bailey: Pardekooper.
O'Donnell: What is it?
Bailey: Pardekooper.
Champion: I call him Justin P.
Lehman: Are you nominating Justin Pardekooper?
Bailey: Yes.
Lehman: And you're seconding it, third, fourth, fifth?
Elliott: Yes, yes, yes.
Lehman: All right. Housing and Community Development Commission we have, I think,
four.
Vanderhoef: I'd like Rita Marcus.
Champion: I'll second that.
Bailey: Ijust wanted to speak for Sara Baird. She did contact me. She's pretty active,
younger, interested. I know that Rita has a lot of qualifications but I think that if
Sarah applies for something else (unclear)
Lehman: And I think Mary Kate Pilcher is another one.
Bailey: True, it was a really good group.
Champion: They were stellar, it was good.
Vanderhoef: And this commission, Rita just brings a new perspective for commissioners that
we haven't had on that commission for a long time.
Lehman: I am sensing that Rita is the choice. Can we see a show of hands?
Champion: She's my choice.
Wilburn: I have to abstain due to a conflict of interest.
Bailey: We want you to leave the table. (Laughter)
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O'Donnell: That would really be appropriate. (Laughter)
Lehman: Actually, we should think that every time. Library Board of Trustees?
Champion: I'd like to nominate Bill Korf.
Bailey: Yeah, he was on the (can't hear) District Committee and he's...
Champion: Yes, he's actively pursued this.
Bailey: The department of cultural. . . very actively.
O'Donnell: Sounds good.
Lehman: William Korf, is that in agreement with everybody?
Wilburn: I would support that.
Vanderhoef: I'll go along.
Champion: We had really outstanding people.
Bailey: This was good to see. I hope we can encourage them to apply for some of our
other vacancies.
Lehman: Okay.
O'Donnell: Is our special meeting is that at 7:30?
Champion: I think we're done.
Lehman: Well, I don't know if we -
Champion: We should finish.
Lehman: We can move right along here, can't we?
Karr: The special meeting is at the end of the work session. I just simply posted 7:30.
Cedar Rapids Request - Excursion Rail Proposal
Lehman: We have a request from... we all got in our JCCOG packet from Cedar Rapids for
an excursion rail proposal. Jeffis here. ..yes I was looking...
O'Donnell: This has been a good group tonight.
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Elliott: Jeff, I've been attacked tonight, so watch out. These people are blood-thirsty
tonight.
Davidson: Yeah, Regenia and I attended a meeting that the City of Cedar Rapids requested
to talk to entities in Johnson County about this project. You all should have
received this memorandum from me, which we had intended to attach in the
council packet, instead something else got attached, but if anybody needs a copy,
I did bring some extras tonight that just explains in a little more detail what
they're asking for.
Champion: Could I have one please? This is the one that you sent in the mail to us, right?
Elliott: I'll take another one, if! might?
Bailey: I don't have one.
Karr: This is a really sharp bunch. (Laughter)
O'Donnell: I didn't bring mine other.
Bailey: I can share with Mike. We'll share. No that's fine.
Lehman: Let the record show that Reginia and Mike are sharing.
Davidson: The thing I want you to note on the third page, most specifically, is that this
comes from the Cedar Rapids Mayor's Office. This is basically Mayor Pate's
proposal, along with their Director of Parking and Transportation, Bill Hochstra,
and they have developed this proposal and I think that some of you were out in
Washington with the Joint Delegation in the spring and were a part of or at least
apprised ofthe presentation that was made. I guess they at least indicated to us
that they received a positive initial reaction so they are interested in pursuing it.
This would be a special earmark type project but what we're talking about now is
the feasibility study. I think a lot of us, I've heard from a few of you and Regenia
and I have discussed this as well, and the City Manager and 1. . . and I think that
there is a lot of skepticism about this. We have a report that's approximately six-
to-eight years old that showed that commuter rail, your more traditional public
transit service, based on the rail line was not feasible. In fact, it was pretty
emphatic that it was not feasible. The first thing - one the of the first things that
Cedar Rapids said ~ it was Doug Wagner, the Mayor's Assistant, and Bill
Hoekstra - one of the first things they said was they are not talking about
commuter rail. . . this is excursion rail. This would be special event type service,
they use the examples of the Czech Museum in Cedar Rapids or the Athletic
Department down here or the Amana Colonies. When there was a special event
they would use this service, and there's a diagram attached there that Bob has
open - it's kind of a triangular system using the existing Crandic tracks and the
Iowa Interstate Railroad tracks. The majority of the expense for setting up the
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service initially is to upgrade the tracks and that's why the railroads are interested
in it because there would be a way to use some federal funds to get their tracks
upgraded. So, they are very willing participants at this time, although I don't
know that there has been a financial commitment expressed by them. What we're
talking about now is the feasibility study that I think would.. .you know, if it's
something that you're interested in at all, probably the feasibility study is very
well spent because it would be a very, very expensive project and we're talking
about spending some money up front that would hopefully give us a better idea of
the feasibility of it and the parameters. What they are asking for is out of a
$150,000 study, $36,000 from Johnson County. They either have commitments
in hand or feel that they can get commitments for the other $116,000. So they're
asking us for $36,000. The group of us, after the Cedar Rapids folks left, it was
Regenia and myself and Kelly Hayworth from Coralville, and Terrance Neuzil
from Johnson County and Brian James from North Liberty, and Josh Schamberger
from the Convention and Visitors Bureau. We sort of sat amongst ourselves and
worked out the table that you see there on page 2 as just an idea of sort of a
benefits-based distribution of that $36,000 within Johnson County. So, what we
decided to do then was at the November 10th JCCOG meeting have the entities
come, that's why I sent the stuff out ahead of time, have the entities come either
indicating that they will or will not be willing to support going forward. If anyone
has any other better ideas for how the Johnson County funding might be split up,
we'll entertain those as well. I think what they would like is for the six of you,
who sit on the JCCOG board, to show up with some inclination of whether or not
you'd want to fund it.
Elliott: Has there been any talk of expanding this? Has the University been involved at
all?
Champion: Yes.
Davidson: Oh, I'm sorry. Dave Ricketts from the University was also there.
Champion: They are involved.
Elliott: So in other words with their Herky Specials or football and basketball, that might
also be another excursion possibility?
Davidson: I think it would absolutely be a possibility. Not only the athletic side but also
Hancher and other things like that.. .building dedications, etc.
Vanderhoef: A couple of things that cross my mind as I look through the proposal and the first
one is the federal funding of 80/20. My experience right now on national
transportation issues is that new starts. .. there are cities all over the nation that are
sitting already with 50% match for the federal dollars getting more new start or
extension of existing rails, and those are in the big cities like Dallas and Orlando
or some of those places so 80/20 is sort of pie- in- the-sky at this point in time. I
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don't know if anyone would agree with me, but I don't think there is any way we
can get 80% for a new start. The second thing is, when we're talking about
excursion and two depots, are we talking only two stops or...
Davidson: I think we're talking multiple stops and we asked some specific questions about
the depot facilities and they're very speculative at this time. They had a drawing
of one in Cedar Rapids that I asked about and Bill indicated that it was very
speculative at that time. That is something that would have be developed more
fully. Is a platform enough, do you have to have a complete stop...I think some
of you are aware that when Iowa City and the University built the pedestrian
bridge, the new one that is on the Westlawn curve there, that is set up there to be a
rail platform. Space was left for that. The gentlemen who owned the old Rock
Island Depot here have indicated that they would cooperate with us in possibly
having that used. They would like to see it used for rail service if passenger rail
service was re-established in the community. So those type of things would need
to be more fully explored in the feasibility study - but clearly there could be more
than two facilities like that between the whole triangle.
Vanderhoef: A couple of things came to my mind, that if we're only talking two, I'm not sure
that.. .
Davidson: The questions about the both the rolling stock - the cars - and the platform
facilities would need to be explored more fully.
Lehman: Is that part of the purpose ofthe study?
Davidson: Yes.
Champion: You only need as many stops are you're going to build platforms for.
Davidson: And I think you can build temporary platforms as well for certain special events.
You might recall the service we had to the event that was out at the Amana
Colonjes.
Champion: The farm expo.
Davidson: We built... there was a temporary platform is South Amana for that. I was a
waiter on that train.
Lehman: I was a rider.
O'Donnell: I think it's a great concept, I like it. I think it would be really neat if everybody, at
one time or another in their lifetime, ride a train.
Champion: From here to Cedar Rapids?
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O'Donnell: I'm mean for commuter...
Lehman; This is not commuter.
O'Donnell: I know, it just seems to me that it would be much more practical and functional.
Lehman: It seems to me that until you get the feasibility study done, there is really nothing
to talk about. I have some really serious questions about whether this is feasible
at all, but until we get that done, I don't know how we can support or criticize
either one. If someone else is ready to come up with the other $145,000 - I don't
see any issue with us funding the chance.
Elliott: I'm not pessimistic, but I'm not optimistic - but I think it's certainly worth
looking into.. .$10,000 worth.
Wilburn: If we were to do this, do you have a recommendation where the money would
come from? Is this transportation money?
Davidson: Which money are you speaking of? Oh, the $10,000.
Atkins: That would have to be a contingency transfer, that's general fund.
Lehman: The last.. .
Wilburn: I'm sorry, the general fund?
Atkins: General fund contingency account.
Wilburn: I'm just looking at.. .we're talking about doing a communications study, there is
still the potential out there for some further work for municipal power. . . that's
$10,000 that could be applied. ..
Champion: I kind of feel like you do, Ross, on that. I think the whole idea sounds wonderful,
but I think that it's so far in the future.. .do we want to spend the $10,000 now? I
just don't see this happening in the immediate future - at least not in my lifetime.
Lehman: Not in our lifetime, no.
Champion: Well, maybe mine.
Lehman: Maybe yours.
Champion: I don't know...I don't want to say this but I'm going to. It sounds like the
Rainforest, it's kind ofa pipe dream. I don't know if! want to put in $10,000
towards it.
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O'Donnell: The tracks are already there. So that's...
Lehman: Is this project like twelve-million federal money that they're asking for?
Davidson: Yes.
Lehman: This is a real oinker. . .
Davidson: I assume that the cost estimate would be more fully-refined by the feasibility
study. I think that's a very estimate estimate.
O'Donnell: Once again, we won't know until we do the study.
Lehman: That's the whole problem that I have, because I don't disagree at all with your,
Ross, it's just that until you get the feasibility study back and it says that it's not
feasible, that.. ..they study that ECICOG did six or eight years ago, which I had
some real issues with, I didn't think we needed to spend-
Davidson: That was actually a consultant study. That was a consultant that knew about rail
transportation. ECICOG just coordinated it because it was between Cedar Rapids
and Iowa City.
Lehman: Right, I think everyone who sat on the board looked at the railroad tracks and said
'Uh-uh, this isn't going to work' - so we spent $90,000 for someone to confirm
what we already knew.
Wilburn: I guess I just see that there are some more tangible, more immediate possibilities.
We've been talking about the communications thing, the municipal power - even
if it's general fund money - we've bantered around talking about doing something
with that quarry south of town. Those are little chunks of money that could be
applied more immediately here.
Lehman: There's also another issue here. There's another issue here. I think this is one of
those things, whether it's viable or not, it does involve cooperation of a number of
communities. Coralville, Iowa City, North Liberty, Cedar Rapids, and the Amana
Colonies. I think that it is ajoint sort of venture and I personally cannot imagine
that it has any feasibility at all, but if our share of it is $10,000, I guess I would
not object to participating.
Bailey: I also want to mention that the study six to eight years ago was about commuter
rail and said it wasn't feasible but we mentioned that excursion rail was a
possibility. So from that study we learned that there was another possibility, so as
we talk more and more about regionalism, maybe this feasibility study will
indicate that excursion rail really isn't feasible, but we may learn additional things
about transportation and commuter issues that may come out in this study that we
wouldn't have otherwise have had.
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Vanderhoef: I think you're on the right track with that Regenia. At the time ofthat study,
which that report came back in 1996, right when I first came on council, and they
didn't say that the rail could do anything, but they were talking already at that
time that there was a need and possibly a viable between North Liberty,
Coralville, and Iowa City. Much smaller area and for that reason I even saw a
comment in the paper that North Liberty has approved it because they have
mentioned it now pretty consistently for three years about needing some sort of
commuter transportation system of some description. They're still interested in
trying to hook into a wider circle of the three communities and I need to have this
information to go forward to my extent of using general funds -
Bailey: And I do to. I certainly understand that, but as we talk more regionally I think
that this might give us some significant information to consider how we might
move forward on that. It might not be excursion rail- I'm skeptical.
Davidson: There are some excursion rail systems that do operate successfully in very
moderate size communities. Duluth, Minnesota has one if you've been up there.
Boone has one. The rail fan clubs are usually involved in the operation ofthem. I
wouldn't be surprised ifthat was the kind of thing that was worked out with this
one. That is something that would be explored more fully. There are examples of
excursion rail type things that are not nearly as expensive as commuter rail type
services that are operated successfully, so there are some models out there.
Vanderhoef: Durango to Silverton?
Davidson: Yes, that's a narrow-gauge, sure.
Vanderhoef: That's a great one.
Lehman: So what's our-
Vanderhoef: I vote to go forward with the study and pay our share.
O'Donnell: I do too.
Elliott: I would go along with that. I think that Ross' observations are very legitimate. I
think that we come across decisions like this quite often and we don't know
whether it's right or wrong but we just have to decide one way or the other. I
think because it is a joint project with multiple communities in, what we hope will
be an expanding corridor situation, I would be in favor of it. I think Ross and
Connie your concerns are very legitimate.
Lehman: Okay.
Champion: I'll certainly support it at the JCCOG meeting.
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Bailey: It will be okay.
Davidson: I assume, Mr. Mayor, that the two new members are advised of the ordinance?
Wilburn: You have to support it at the JCCOG meeting.
Davidson: You adopted an ordinance that when there is a majority of the council in favor of
something then at JCCOG it's supported by the whole.
Lehman: Can't vote against it guys. Thank: you.
Champion: Thank you. Not that I think it's a bad idea.
Lehman: Let's take a quick break folks.
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Allocation - HOME Funds - Whisperin!! Gardens and Bloomin!! Gardens
Lehman: Okay, Mr. Nasby. You're on.
Nasby: Thank: you. In your packet, there was a memo about Blooming Garden Limited
Partnership. I'm sorry that it's a little confusing but there's two different
ownership entities involved. . . so if you have questions about the memo, I can
answer those. Essentially...
Wilburn: I can not participate in this discussion. I'm just going to sit here and keep my
mouth shut.
Nasby: The question for you this evening -
Elliott: Is that the October 28 memo?
Nasby: Yes, October 28. The question for this evening is concerning the fiscal year 05
HOME Funds. The HOME Funds were awarded in the last allocation cycle to
Blooming Garden. It's a limited partnership set up for the purpose of creating
affordable rental housing through the tax credit program. The FY05 funds had
some location criteria attached to them when we sent the applications out last
December and that was in response to the discussion we had about a year ago at
this time on the location of some affordable rental housing that was being
proposed. In the memo we outlined the guideline that the Housing and
Community Development Commission set forth which was basically to look at
the attendance areas for the school districts, look at the district average of low and
moderate income persons and if the project was proposing a location within one
of those attendance areas that was over the district average, they would come and
ask HCDC and Council for approval. So this is where we are at this point.
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Blooming Garden project went to the Housing and Community Development
Commission at their last meeting. They had discussion on that project and voted
four-to-one to recommend approval of the project and the project in it's
aggregate, which is the FY04 and the FY05 together which will be sixteen units
on eleven lots in the Whispering Meadows Subdivision. So that's what went to
HCDC and they voted to recommend that, four-to-one, with Hayek voting against.
As I said this evening basically what we're looking for is Council direction on
whether or not to enter into a HOME agreement for the FY05 funding for the
Whispering Meadows lots.
Elliott: I would ask you and Eleanor, are we constrained in any way as to parameters
within which our decisions can lie, other than what we think is in our minds a
good thing or not a good thing to do?
Dilkes: I think, as the memo explains, that the application in my view gave sufficient
notice that the location could be a factor or would be a factor in the decision-
making and that was the issue that was explored with HCDC, as I understand it,
and that's the issue that's before you now.
Champion: I personally can't approve any of this housing in the Wood Elementary District,
the Twain Elementary District or the Roosevelt Elementary District. They are
way above the city average for low income and I think that those schools have
their hands full and I think that it would be a disservice to the community and to
those schools to place any more low-income housing in any of those areas.
Lehman: Does this require Council action one way or the other?
Nasby: In the resolution that we passed for FY05 funding, it gave the City Manager the
authority to sign the contracts. Now, like I said, this guidance was in the
application process that they get HCDC and/or Council approval before we
approve location for housing, ifit wasn't identified in the application.
Lehman: Is this time sensitive?
Nasby: It is time sensitive to the point where the applicant is preparing a low-income
housing tax credit application that is due to the State on November 22nd.
Vanderhoef: And this is the same one that has been turned down twice?
Nasby: It is a different ownership entity. The applicant has applied for low-income
housing tax credits in the past for a similar project. The location, I believe, the
last time was at Catskill Court and some in Whispering Meadows and that was
one that you did approve last time because we had entered into a contract with
them.
Elliott: Are these eleven lots consecutive?
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Nasby: I don't have a plat map with me. Are they consecutive, Bob, do you know? They
are not consecutive lots but they are within the same part of the subdivision.
Bailey: And we're assuming because of the size of the units that this is rental housing for
families that may have an impact on schools. We don't necessarily know that it
will.
Nasby: We do not know who will live in those units, but yes, given the size and the
housing authority's criteria for matching family size to the unit, that's a fair
assumption.
Vanderhoef: To quality for a three or a four bedroom, you assume that there would be
children?
Nasby: That's a fair assumption.
Vanderhoef: That's would be my assumption. I have to agree with Connie. Certainly we had
talked about scattered sites before we put in those guidelines that became
effective for the FY05 funding, so I'm not interested in putting any more low-
income housing in that particular school district and certainly not before we hear
back from our Scattered Site Housing Commission that's working right at the
present time. I think that we have to look elsewhere within our community for
low-income housing.
Champion: I totally support low-income housing.. . and I don't know, as a Council, if we can
do something depending what the committee on scattered site housing comes
back to recommend. Eleanor, do we have the prerogative as a Council to make an
ordinance that would require subdivisions of any particular size to provide for
some low-income housing lots?
Dilkes: I couldn't hear you.
Champion: I'm thinking about the future. For instance, there's going to be that long track of
land along First Avenue that going to be developed. Do we, as a Council, have
the legal right to make an ordinance that requires a certain percentage of a
development over so many houses to provide for low-income lots.
Dilkes: I think you're talking about inclusionary zoning. That's a concept that has been
used in some other communities. I don't know to what extent that is being
pursued in the development code that we write...I think it is to -
Nasby: - I do not believe it's in the current development code.
Dilkes: No, it's not in the current development code.
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Nasby: It will be most likely something that the Scattered Site Housing Committee does
discuss and it mayor may not be in the recommendations when it comes back to
you.
Champion: Because we have to distribute it somehow.
Bailey: I'm not sure I believe with all these premises of the Scattered Site and the
questions that we're asking, but it seems to me that it was very clear when it
comes to the FY05 funding that there was a limitation on location and this simply
doesn't meet it. Looking at that, I think it's pretty clear that I would not support
this, although I'm not so sure I agree with everything else that has been said or the
way that we're formulating the questions about Scattered Site, but that's another
discussion altogether.
O'Donnell: I agree with what Regenia said. I absolutely do. I'm not going to support this.
Elliott: I also concur and I feel the same way about the City High and Southeast Districts.
I am as much concerned about the schools in which students would be attending
as I am about the geographic location ofthe housing unit.
Bailey: See, that's not my concern right now. The strict letter of the law reading of the
FY05 fund, it seems very clear that this doesn't meet those criteria, so therefore I
couldn't support this, but that's all the farther I'll go with that.
Nasby: That was a guideline that was put in place.
Bailey: The guideline was pretty clear and this clearly doesn't meet the guidelines.
Elliott: This is touching the tip of a very important and very sensitive issue, I think, that
we'll be getting into later.
Lehman: I think in all fairness, Mr. Bums does have comments that he'd like to make and
we routinely do not take public input at a work session, so my suspicion is that
tomorrow night he may very well address us on this issue. In the case that there
may be things or facts that are not necessarily included in here or certain
viewpoints other than what have been written here.. . obviously the majority of the
council tends to concur with staffs recommendation, but I think we need to be
aware that tomorrow night we are probably going to hear some more.. .so.. . and
this is.. .if I'm not.. .you said that.. .what date in November?
Nasby: I believe the 22nd of November is application deadline.
Lehman: Okay, obviously one more day. I think we've heard what you had to say.
Council tends to concur. We're going to probably have a presentation tomorrow
night. Thank you sir. Okay. Alcohol issues.
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Alcohol Issues
O'Donnell: Before we get into this, I would really like to not talk any more about alcohol
until we get a report.
Lehman: In May?
O'Donnell: From this group that we put together. Not that we put together.. .but that we're
waiting a report.
Champion: I agree.
O'Donnell: I think it makes a great deal of sense to wait and hear what their ideas and
possible solutions are before we discuss it any further.
Elliott: However at the time I would like to address many - a number of other things
other than simply 19 over 21.
O'Donnell: Is it alright to do it at that time?
Vanderhoef: I'd rather do it now actually. I think it's long overdue and we ought to be talking
about it now and let them know the things that we may be interested in doing and
things that we don't have an interest in doing.
O'Donnell: Maybe what's coming to us will encompass all that we are going to be talking
about so it seems like it's a duplication of effort and I would simply like to-
Elliott: One issue to me that is time-sensitive is that I'd like to know if the council agrees
that we need to lobby the legislature to enable much more meaningful penalties
for alcohol abuse violations. If that is the case then the Mayor and the City
Manager can talk at least with our representatives and make it abundantly clear
that one of our high priorities for them to work on is that situation. Do the rest of
you agree?
Lehman: I think that's a great idea.
Bailey: I absolutely thing that the penalties should be higher and we'll have a better idea
Wednesday morning if that's going to be a meaningful thing for the legislature.
Elliott: I think that the lobbying needs to begin as quickly as possible and being as
meaningful and effective as possible.
Lehman: May I suggest, if the council concurs, that a letter be prepared and sent to area
legislatures, indicating our interest in more significant penalties for violations of
state alcohol laws. Do we all concur?
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Bailey: Yes.
Lehman: By the way I believe that the Alcohol Beverages Division.. . they had a white
paper that they put out three or four years ago and that was one of the things that
they wanted to see.
Bailey: Can we also talk to some of the other councils in the other communities that are
facing this challenge? I'm sure that they're doing a lot and that maybe if we acted
as a force... the legislature doesn't take this as a serious issue. ..
Lehman: We can certainly visit with the City of Ames and the City of Waterloo and Cedar
Falls and ask them to-
O'Donnell: And see what they've done.
Vanderhoef: Well, Dubuque just did -
Bailey: I think that we should be joining with other communities to join in a strong lobby
effort at the state level.
Vanderhoef: Before we start lobbying, penalties are one thing but another thing that has been
done statewide in other states is keg registration. Certainly I would like to bring
that to their attention and it might be that we need a subcommittee of the council
to work with local legislatures to put together a bill so that there is something that
can be presented.
Bailey: I have a question about keg registration. When people register for kegs, what do
you do with that information? I have a huge concern about privacy, given that I
can go in and buy a box load of alcohol and a box load of vodka and wouldn't
have to register. Whereas I could have a keg, go get a keg, and I would have to
register. I don't see...I want to know first of all what those states do with that
information.
Vanderhoef: As far as I know, what they use it for is ifthere is an opportunity - a nuisance
party that happens - and there is a keg there, then they use that registration to find
out who was responsible for the keg in that location. Ifthere is no problem, the
keg goes out, the keg comes back, there's no complaint about where that was
served, it's really not being used.
Dilkes: I think it's used a way to identify the source of the alcohol to the underage people.
Bailey: Oh, they want to know who sold the alcohol.
Elliott: I think it also would enable us to.. . and Regenia, I really hadn't thought about
your concern. I'm glad you brought that up. My thinking is that it would enable
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the city officials to at least have a handle ifthere is a vastly inordinate number of
kegs that are going out, at least we'd have a handle on what's going on.
O'Donnell: But once again, you're dealing only with Iowa City.
Bailey: And you're only dealing with beer too.
Elliott: And they can go to Coralville...
O'Donnell: You can go anyplace and buy a keg and have a party in Iowa City.
Champion: And you're only dealing with kegs of beers, not six packs or quarts, cases.
Vanderhoef: What I'm talking about, Bob, is not just the city.. .I'm talking about statewide to
bring that to the attention of the state and the abuse of the alcohol. Certainly
every small community is aware of graduation parties and some ofthose kinds of
woodsy parties where kegs are provided and some times its parents that are
buying it for kids.. .but it's kids and underage people who are drinking..
Bailey: I understand its purpose.. .I just think that there's a potential for privacy abuse.
I'm not particular supportive of a keg ordinance, whether statewide, or
countywide or citywide. Other people may be.. .but given that it only regulates
beer. . .
Champion: It only regulates kegs.
O'Donnell: You can buy a keg or five boxes of wine.
Lehman: We're not going anywhere with this. Is it all right with the council, if in our
communication with the legislatures and the other two communities that we also
mention things such as keg ordinances?
Bailey: Sure, just to see if they're interested. I'm open to that. I'm not a proponent of
that.
Lehman: I mean there are states that have done statewide ordinances. There's a lot of
communities that have done that. In Iowa there is one community that has done
it.
Champion: Ames?
Elliott: Fort Madison?
Lehman: Sigourney.
Champion: Ames has one to.
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Bailey: Sigourney has one?
Elliott: Whatever.
Dilkes: I'm sorry, what are you talking about now?
Lehman: Keg registrations. ..
Dilkes: Still keg registrations.
Lehman: But I think we're done with it though. We're going to write a letter and we're
also going to communicate with Cedar Falls, Waterloo, and Ames...
Bailey: and Dubuque.
Lehman: Yeah, Dubuque.. .no, no. Dubuque just did an ordinance asking them to support
stricter penalties for violations.
Bailey: Decorah has some challenges.
Vanderhoef: And I suspect that Sioux City does to.
Champion: What's in Sioux City?
Bailey: Briar Cliff.
Lehman: We should do a little research on. . .
Atkins: I hear you. I'll try to jowl these...
Lehman: Central and Pella may be one ofthem.. . although they don't have any bars. We'll
do that.
Council Time
Lehman: Council time.
Elliott: I would like the council to support a request that we have job descriptions for the
three employees that report to the council.
Champion: We don't have them?
Bailey: That's a great idea.
Champion: They do whatever we tell them.
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Vanderhoef: Some of its quite spelled out in the contracts. So if you read the contracts, you'll
have a good idea of what is expected.
Elliott: I think you need a job description.
Lehman: I have no problem with that. Both for their sake and for ours.
Elliott: Okay, if we have consensus on that, I would like for the council perhaps to maybe
have representatives or maybe have the council meet with the Deer Task Force.
Champion: I'm not interested.
Elliott: I think they're coming in with a recommendation that at needs to be at least
looked at and questioned. On the other hand, it may not come in if it does not
pass DNR.
Lehman: I think that when it comes to us, we should ask the chair of the deer committee
and whatever members would choose to be here to discuss it with us. We'll make
it a point to do that.
O'Donnell: We may some discussions before that.
Lehman: Well, until we get a recommendation there is nothing to talk about.
Elliott: If they could come to the work session, I mean.
Lehman: I think ifit comes to us at work session, we'll request that the chair be there at the
same time and that they be put on the agenda. Other council? Issues?
Scheduling.
Council Schedule
Karr: You have a memo in your packet that I guess, real quickly, there are just a couple
of major issues. The first would be your December meeting. You are scheduled
now for the 6th and ih. There was some interest in changing it to the 13th or 14th.
We do need to know that as soon as possible or do we want to leave it at the 6th
and ih.?
Champion: Why do we want to change it?
Karr: There was some interest on the part of the council members to change it because
the National Leagues of Cities is coming.
Champion: That would be really difficult for me.
Karr: We can leave it at the 6th and ih.
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Lehman: Leave it at the 6th and ih.
Karr: Okay, 6th and ih.
Lehman: All right, next.
Karr: January. I had a proposed schedule in there on the first and third Tuesday of each
month that I also suggested some budget work sessions.
Champion: I'm not available the 24th and 25th for the work sessions.
Lehman: Wait a minute. The calendar that we have the 4th and the 18th are regular
meetings, right?
Karr: Yes. I'm looking at possibly scheduling three or four budget work sessions and
it's easier to schedule them out a couple of months, set them aside, and Connie is
unable to be there January 24th and 25th.
Champion: Those are the only conflicts that I have. I have to go to Market. I do.
Vanderhoef: Are you gone that whole week, Connie?
Champion: No.
Vanderhoef: Can we meet later that week?
Lehman: The 10th and 11 th are okay. Is that okay with everyone? That works. Thos will
be evening. We have on occasion had daytime meetings too.
Karr: We might want to. . . Steve, maybe you can address this. If we meet later the week
of the 24th and 25t\ Council is setting the public hearing February 1 st. I don't
know if that's going to allow staff enough time that they need to-
Champion: What about daytime meetings between the 18th and the-
Lehman: 20th or 21 st - which is Thursday, Friday.
Bailey: I can't do the 20th.
Lehman: What the 21 st?
Bailey: The 21 st works for me.
Champion: The 21 st works for me.
Wilburn: I'll be in Phoenix from the 19th to the nrd.
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Lehman: Are you going to have your cell phone with you? (Laughter)
Wilburn: I'll have my cell phone.
Lehman; Well then how about -
Champion: How about a day meeting somewhere the week of the 9th to the 15th.
Karr: It looks like it has to be. It looks like we'll have to schedule some before that.
Bailey: The lih and the 13th are out for me.
Lehman: You know, the first meeting that we have on budget is pretty much an overview
from Steve. Could we do that on perhaps the 6th or ih? Does that work for
everyone?
Champion: That would be fine with me.
Bailey: I'm good.
Vanderhoef: Uh-hm.
Lehman: Can we do that?
Champion: Could we do the 6th or ih in the daytime?
Lehman: Could we do on the 6th at 8:00?
Karr: 8:00 a.m. on the 6th would be your first budget session?
Lehman: Right. I see that's normally two-to-three hours at the very most, right?
Atkins: I can do it in three given the consequences of this budget. . . a lot of the same
things were here last year.
Champion: 6th of January?
Lehman: 6th of January at 8:00 a.m.
Champion: That's a Thursday, okay.
Vanderhoef: At 8:30.
Karr: 8:30?
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Vanderhoef: 8:00.
Wilburn: 8:30 would be better.
Karr: 8:30?
Vanderhoef: 8:30 is better.
Elliott: Marian, you'll mail us something on this?
Karr: As soon as you decide. (Laughter)
Elliott: Can't you do it before?
Lehman: 8:30 a.m. on the 6th, it's a done deal.
Karr: Alright.
Lehman: Then the 11 th and lih -
Champion: 10th and 11 tho
Lehman: Pardon me, 10th and 11 th, and we'll cut a deal on the 11 th we can perhaps...
Vanderhoef: Those will be nights?
Lehman: Yeah.
Karr: We can do it either one.
Atkins: It's your call.
Vanderhoef: You want one of those? When will you be doing capital projects.
Atkins: Capital projects will likely be sooner than later.
Vanderhoef: That one we usually do day time when the staff is all here.
Atkins: Yeah, it always works better when you can have.. .
Vanderhoef: Uh-huh.
Atkins: .. .because that's a longer one and staff needs to be here.
Vanderhoef: So the 11 th maybe?
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Atkins: We can do it. Pick which day you want.
Vanderhoef: The 11 th is the second or third day of. . .
Karr: You can do it the second or the third, but right now that's all that you've got left.
You've only scheduled three meetings and you have two or three people out of
town after that. You haven't scheduled any of the boards and commissions and
special events if you don't. . . unless you want to have that.
Vanderhoef: Boards and commissions. Can we do those later in the week of the 24th?
Karr: Yes, you possibly won't have two council people here.
Vanderhoef: No, I thought the week of the 24th, Connie was going to get back?
Karr: Ross is gone the 191h through the 26th. Connie is gone the 24th and 25th.
Wilburn: 23rd. 19th to the 23rd.
Vanderhoef: Ross is back on the 23rd.
Champion: I'm available the 26t\ 2ih, or 28th.
Karr: Yeah, but the only thing is for staff to get the budgets done for your packets,
we're setting is February 1 SI. That's the week the packets go out.
Vanderhoef: If everything else is done except for the boards and commissions, would that be a
push? I don't know, I'm asking.
Bailey: That's less than a week.
Atkins: Yeah.
Champion: Well, the other possibility is to keep the 10lh and the 11 th. We could one in the
daytime and we could do one of those in the evening.
Lehman: Right.
Vanderhoef: Do a double session?
Bailey: Or do a long day, a whole day. Would that work?
Karr: The 10lh or the 11 Ih?
Champion: Why don't we do that. Could we do that? Would that drive you nuts, if we just do
a whole day and getting everything done?
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Atkins: Spending the day with you would never drive me crazy. (Laughter)
Vanderhoef: Or do a morning and an evening and take the afternoon off or something like that.
Bailey: I'd rather have the evening free.
Champion: Let's do a marathon.
Atkins: We could feed you.
Champion: They could feed us lunch, breakfast, and dinner.
Lehman: Or give us gift certificates. All right. We're going to meet in the daytime on the
6th at 8:30 a.m.
Karr: 6th?
Lehman: Well, 6:00 a.m. would be fine with me, but I'd be alone.
O'Donnell: You'd absolutely be alone.
Lehman: The 10th is a Monday. Why don't we figure that one in the evening and then on
the 1 1 th we'll figure an all day.
Champion: No, will we even need that one on the 10th then?
Karr: Yeah.
Lehman: I think so.
Champion: Oh, okay.
Lehman: Ifwe could do capital improvements, for example, on the 10th.
Karr: CIP's on the 10th?
Lehman: Wait a minute though, that's in the evening. We really want to do that during the
day.
Champion: We have to have a regular. . . the Monday night session will be the night session
where Steve goes over the basic budget.
Bailey: That's the daytime on the 6th.
Champion: Oh. Oh, I forgot the 6th.
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Karr: 6th, 10th, and 11 tho Right now you've got the daytime of the 6th in the morning.
The 10th you're talking about the evening and all day on the 11 tho
Atkins: How about this fellas.. .how about on the 6th, I'm going to tighten the summary
up and let's go from that.. .let's go right into CIP.
Lehman: On the 6th?
Atkins: How's that?
Lehman: That's a good idea.
Atkins: It's easy to divide. The operations are just generally a lot more fussin' around
kind of questions. The CIP stuff we need lots of folks to back it up.
Champion: Okay.
Vanderhoef: Could we make that day the long day then?
Atkins: Oh, I'm fine with that. I'm just trying to get you to...
Vanderhoef: Do it until CIPs are done?
Karr: Ross, can you make the 6th all day?
Wilburn: Yes.
Karr: So, if we do the 6th, we start at 8:30 and we have the City Manager's presentation
and then go into the CIPs?
Atkins: That's a long day on budgeting.
Karr: That's 8:30-5:00?
Lehman: A whole day on budgeting is a long day.
O'Donnell: That's too long.
Champion: It won't be the whole day.
Atkins: Yeah, you can bailout. We'll look for a break point on that.
Lehman: We'll have lots of coffee and lots of breaks.
Atkins: We'll have lots of coffee and we'll feed you at noon.
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Champion: We'll be out of here plenty early.
Atkins: Let's just plan the 6th as a busy day but we're not going to go all day.
Lehman: All right. . . and then the 10th in the evening and then perhaps on the 10th we can
make a determination whether or not we're going to meet.
Karr: Can we reserve the 11 th?
Atkins: I'd like you to reserve it.
Karr: You're going from four to two.
Lehman: No, no, I mean the 11 th might be an all-day.
Karr: Right, but we've reserved then all-day the 11 tho
Lehman: Maybe more than just an evening.
Vanderhoef: The 11 th that evening would be when we would be doing boards and
commISSIOns.
Atkins: We might be able to do that, too.
Bailey: I'd rather do the 11 th all day cause I have to be out of town the next day few days.
Champion: So the 10th is going to be an evening?
Lehman: And the 11 th could be an all-day.
Elliott: 6 all day, 10 evening, 11 reserved all day.
Lehman: Yeah.
Champion: Perfect.
Elliott: Weare nothing if not perfect.
Champion: Ijust have one question. The boards and commissions organizational budget,
who presents those?
Atkins: They come before the council.
Karr: They schedule their times. You hear from the Library Board, the Fourth of July-
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Champion: When is that going to be?
Atkins: You set it for the 11 tho
Karr: Well, it couldn't be the 11 th, Steve, if it's during the day.
Atkins: No, I meant that evening.
Karr: No.
Vanderhoef: If we started at noon and went. . .
Karr: I thought Regenia didn't want to come that evening.
Lehman: Regenia.. .we're not going to meet on the evening ofthe 11 th - we're going to be
all day. Can those folks make their presentations during the day?
Karr: Nope. Most ofthem will not -
Lehman: Then we'll have to do it the night the 10th. We can do it, whatever works best for
them.
Karr: So you'll finish up the CIP's on the 6th then you'll go into the organizationals
thing, and then the 11 th you'll finish up anything left on budget.
Champion: Exactly.
Lehman: And if we don't get done, we'll have to schedule another meeting.
Champion: We'll get done.
Lehman: We have two days, all-day meetings and one evening.
Atkins: 6, 10, and 11 are our days.
Lehman: 6, 10 and 11?
Atkins: The 6t\ 10th, and 11 th are the day we're going to be meeting on budgets.
Champion: Oh, I thought you said 6 10 and II-hour meetings. (Laughter)
Atkins: No, I wouldn't do that to you.
Lehman: Are we going to do anything for priorities or are we going to go directly into our
special meeting?
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Champion: Go directly.
Karr: Have we adjourned the work session then?
Lehman: Work session is adjourned. We are ready to start our special session.
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