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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1995-05-08 TranscriptionMay 8, 1995 . . . council Work Session 7:00 PM Council: Horow, Baker, Kubby, Lehman, Nov, Pigott, Throg. Staff: Arkins, Helling, Kerr, Franklin, Schoon, Davidson, Fowler, Ogren, Holecek, Brachtel. Tapes: 95-58, Side 2; 95-61, all; 95-62, all. Addition to the Consent Calendar 95-58 S2 Review Zoning Matters 95-58 S2 I~EMNO. 6a. Consider setting a public heariDg for May 23, 1995, on an amendment to the Comprehensive Plan to adopt "IOWA CITY: BEYOND 2000 -- Iowa City's Vision for the Future." [AUDIO PROBLEMS] Franklin/ I think we have. We sometimes forget it but all of our Boards and Commissions are volunteer citizens. Kubby/ Another thing to do is send information to the group in the library ..... hundreds of them ..... Franklin/ Yeah, okay. Horow/ Okay, anything else? Great ..... I~M gO. 6b. Franklin/ Public hearing on an ordinance conditionally amending the use regulations of an approximate 1.63 acre lot located on the west side of Waterfront Drive, approximately 140 feet north of Stevens Drive from CC-2, Community Commercial, to CI-1, Intensive Commercial. (REZ95-0004) Next item is p.h. to change the use regulations ..... Kubby/ Originally wasn't Contractors Tool and Supply going to go to the old HyVee Building? Franklin/ There was some talk of that. There was also some talk of them moving to the other side of town. Of having just their retail in the old HyVee Building and having more of the wholesale in another location and I am not sure what has gone into their decision making to change that ..... They are looking at the old Gay Locker property ...... This was CI-1 previously. We changed it to CC-2 when Gay's Locker and Store Thisrepresents only a reesoltably occureta transcription of tho Iowa City council meeting of May 8, 1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 2 wished to open there a few years ago ..... The issues .... has to do with the outdoor storage ..... So the condition that is put into this zoning is to screen any outdoor storage. We should, at some point, look at this entire area of the Steven's Drive and South Gilbert area in terms of what we want to see in terms of long term development there. It is zoned CI-1 as Southgate Avenue is put through to Gilbert and the sewer project is completed. That is going to open up this area ...... Recommendation from P/Z and staff is to approve this with the condition that the outdoor storage be screened. Ptgott/ What kind of screening would they put in? Franklin/ The screening would be what is required within our zoning ordinance... fencing or vegetative screening .... reviewed during Site Plan Review process. The CZA, we expect it to be signed by tomorrow night ..... If that does not transpire we will have to continue this. ITEM NO. 6c. Consideration of an ordinance amending City Code Title 14, Chapter 6, entitled "Zoning," Article N, entitled, "Off Street Parking and Loading," to reduce the amount of required off-street parking spaces and amend the parking area design standards in the CN-1, Neighborhood Commercial zone. (Second consideration). Franklin/ Second consideration on the reduction on parking requirements for the CN-1 zone. ITEM NO. Consideration of an ordinance conditionally amending the use regulations of approximately 34.21 acres located west of Taft Avenue along Court Street extended from RS-5, Low Density Single- Family Residential, to CN-1, Neighborhood Cormuercial (6.93 acres), RM-12, Low Density Multi- Family Residential (12 acres), and RS-8, Medium Density Single-Family Residential (8.14 and 7.14 acres). (REZ94-0016) (Second consideration) Franklin/ Second consideration on Windsor Ridge rezonings .... ITEM NO. 6e. Consider an ordinance establishing the Moffitt Cottage Historic District for property located between Muscatine Avenue and Ralston Creek, north of Court Street. (Pass and adopt). This reprosonts only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meotlng of May 8, 1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 . . . Council Work Session Page 3 Franklin/ Pass and adopt on the Moffitt Cottage Historic District. IT~NO. 6f. Consider a letter to the Johnson County Board of Supervisors recommending approval of an application submitted by Celeste Holloway and Tom Bockenstedt to fezone 1.99 acres of a 10.6 acre tract from A1, Rural, to RS, Suburban Residential, for property located in the southeast quadrant of Rapid Creek Road NE and Lynden Heights Road NE in Fringe Area 4. (CZ9513). Franklin/ Rezoning in the county which is rezoning a 1.99 acre tract from A1 to RS. The recommendation for this is to send a suggestion to the county that they go ahead with this. Basically it is relocating a house on a 10 acre tract. Nov/ Karin, as I understand it, they are going to demolish an old house? Franklin/ That is right. Nov/ Can we send somebody over there to see if it is movable instead of demolishing it? ..... salvage part of it. Franklin/ Yes, if the property owners are amenable. Sure. Nov/ But if we pay to moving cost ..... Kubby/ Franklin/ Thls represents only o reesonsbly accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of May 8, 1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 Council Work Session Page 4 Near South Side - Discussion with Consultant 95-58 S2 Davidson/ By way of introduction .... from a pool of 12 we selected Gould Evans Associates from Kansas City to assist us with the Near South Side Design Plan ..... Glen Le Roy ..... Dave Knopick and Brian Hamilton ..... Go through a few things... did have a first meeting of the Near South Side Design Plan Advisory Committee this afternoon ..... get input from you and answer some questions. Glen Le Roy/ Pleasure to be here in Iowa City and working on the Near South Side ...... during course of study ... we are going to be the primary people that will be here in Iowa City. Tell you a little bit about ourselves and our firm and then we will get into the agenda ..... I have been associated with the firm... since 1980 ..... I am an architect and planner... teach ..... Dave Knopick studied both Parks and Recreation at Texas A & M and then Urban Planning at University of Oklahoma ..... has city hall experience... Brian Hamilton is an Urban Geographer with an Urban Planning certification ..... See more of us... backed up by a bigger staff ..... Take you through our part of the presentation ..... allow rest of time for questions and discussion .... participatory ..... introduce ourselves and talk about the process that you contracted with us to do .... purpose for this session. Actually combine numbers 3 & 4 ..... issues and opportunities and goals of Near South Side and talk about the next steps ..... (Slide Presentation marked by asterisk *) *Gould Evans Associates. Just a little bit about our firm... Founded in 1974 ..... multi-disciplinary firm ..... *Project Team Organizational Chart ..... Client Constituents many diverse interest... participants... constituents .... important to pay attention to both groups... Team Management ..... Project Team ...... Mike Peters .... Brain Hamilton ..... Anindita Mitra ..... Nicole Boudreaux .... J. Lee Sammons ..... *Project Process. This represents a cartoon of what the process is that we will be going through ..... Starting off.. with issues... problems .... down to a singular vision for the area .... implementable vision for an area ...... issues and opinions and ideas... take it through... analyze... give real choices to people ...... unique choice for iowa City... develop that into a singular plan with implementation strategies ..... Get you all to adopt it and then take it into implementation ..... tangible action ..... Process is probably as important as product but that product is also important .... *Scope of Services. This is a very much a more detailed element. Here are the tasks that we are going to go through. Project initiation .... reconnaissance issue identification ..... Thisrepresents only e reasonably accurate transcription oftbelows City council meeting of May 8,1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 5 These are some of the tasks that we are going to be doing ..... *Conceptual Schedule of Performance. In terms of time sequence. Right now we are in mid-May... first May .... middle of summer ..... come back in late August ..... people are back in school...regular schedules .... involve public with... Our goal... not compress the end of the schedule... come back to you with a plan from the Advisory Committee that has been seen and approved by the Advisory Committee... come to you for debate and adoption of the Near South Side Design Plan and that would be probably in early October. I would like to have Dave just take a brief moment to talk about some of the early issues that we have identified. Dave Knopick/ Just so you have an idea ..... begun to do some initial work as far as getting an idea of what the area is like .... presented to the Advisory Committee .... the general frame work for decision making and activity and development that may go on .... aesthetic issues .... Several key points... 20 square block area ...... several key issues are how do we create a sense of place in the Near South Side area but at the same hand recognize that it has specific linkages ..... to central core of d.t. and the University .... do impact interactions ..... strong governmental presence through County Court House, Federal Building, School Administration Building, jail ...... elements that impact ...the area .... have very aesthetic impact .... issues such as views ..... What are the plans that the University has ...... how should different uses and different redevelopment efforts be addressed and interfaced ..... We should all be working towards a common goal or some kind of sense of place to this area ..... You also have commercial impacts along Burlington ..... automobile and pedestrian conflicts within the area .... field work .... Trying to get a total understanding of what is going on in the area initially ..... We have a lot to learn from the people who are involved in that area ..... We need to make sure we are developing ownership in the plan and common sense in vision as to how to treat elements such as streetscape and the redesign in this area. Le Roy/ So the purpose for this work session is to inform you of our process ..... To make sure you all understand the completeness of the process .... Keep you informed as we go along ..... To get your input... concurrence on a direction .... As the process unfolds we have a couple more public meetings ..... You all are welcome to drop in and see those meetings as they transpire if you want to do that ..... The other thing... this does not replace the Near South Side Redevelopment Plan This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City counctl meeting of May 8, 1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 Council Work Session Page 6 that was adopted in 1992. It is an adjunct to that .... builds on that previous plan ..... Restate what we believe is you mandate to us as well. There was some considerations that you all put into the contract... provision of public gathering spaces .... safe pedestrian bike areas .... zoning regulations that help give the Near South Side a sense of place .... mixed use development... provisions for public art .... Connections with the CBD... overall security and safety issues .... environmental sensitivity... cost effectiveness. We are taking all of those things to heart as we evolve that .... Eight points ..... that we take into the contract with us. To talk a little bit about process and issues, opportunities and goals as they evolve through our workings today. We have an advisory committee of 12 people .... public meeting .... had about 34 people show up to the meeting today ..... good meeting .... very gratifying .... lot of people that are very concerned about the area ..... Today what we did was we went through a series of brainstorming sessions ..... want to come into it without any prejudgments ..... bring people to agreement over the course of the study. We went through and identified a series of issues. We have .... probably about 20-25 of these things that we went through .... we asked people to prioritized through a voting mechanism on what they thought was most important ..... People are interested in type of development and mixture of uses in the Near South Side. They are interested in issue of zoning and design review ..... aesthetic identity .... adequate parking ..... group parking ..... extension of d.t. into the Near South Side .... -. activity about whether Near South Side is part of d.t. or separate ..... One of the things .... what will the area cater to? Another use question .... concern about bars or taverns proliferating in the area .... traffic and parking framework .... The impact on the city budget ..... public improvements ..... List .... got the most comments out of that meeting ...... same issues kept on coming over and over again .... You have a real strong sense of identity, not yet consensus for the area which we think is real positive. What I would like to do now is to ask you if there is anything in here in terms of issues that you all see as pressing that maybe we haven't come up with. Things that were left off the list... look into beyond these issue. Kubby/ Big thing .... pedestrian oriented neighborhood .... not specifically on this list... Horow/ Has to be balanced by the economic value of the offices .... by extending the d.t. area ...... calling for more office space ..... Thlsrepresentsonly areasonablyac~rMetransc~iptlon ofthelowa CiW councilmeeting ~ MayS, 1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 7 Kubby/ The automobile considerations are on that list already. Horow/ Talking about balance. Throg/ .... balance ..... Pigott/ Question might be how best to achieve a balance. Horow/ I am raising the issue of the offices .... differences in terms of emphasis on the pedestrian .... Pigott/ Talked about .... pedestrian area on Dubuque Street ...... Throg/ Talked great deal about trying to give people a good reason to cross Burlington Street and related to that was idea of thinking of that part of Dubuque Street as being a gateway to the south so that it would literally provide a gateway to these other activities that would be farther south of Court Street ...... Gateway to mixed use area south of Court Street ...... Le Roy/ Pigott/ Have a great mixture of those office buildings ..... with the ability to make it a place where people can gather ..... Baker/ Clarification .... think of two distinct areas... Burlington to Court .... Throg/ Except Bell and Breese Building. Baker/ Two goals here. Encourage that commercial section and the area south of that as more mixed use ..... pedestrian friendly Kubby/ Pedestrian activity Nov/ When you had people talk to you were they talking about area between Burlington and Court Street or were they going further south. Le Roy/ In my group they were not so geographically specific ..... Nov/ Understanding that we are talking about a 20 block area. Le Roy/ we asked them to address the 20 block area ..... Thisrepresents only areasonably accurate ~ana=lptlon of ~elowa CRy council meeting ~ May 8,1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 · . Council Work Session Page 8 Baker/ Part of your discussion .... clear that you are going to look at traffic flow in that 20 block area ..... rearrangement of traffic flow ..... Is traffic flow study implicit in all of this? Le Roy/ My reading of the contract is that we are not to be engaged to do a traffic flow analysis ...... You can't separate any single issue from kind of the holistic view of the Near South Side ...... traffic and parking is a part of the overall design plan ...... Baker/ Clarify what I was thinking... encouraging or facilitating traffic flow in the northern part of this but discouraging traffic flow in the southern part of it .... pedestrian friendly residential part ..... Davidson/ As Glen indicated, they are taking the Near South Sids Plan that staff developed and you adopted as kind of a guideline and in that we lay out some things very specifically... pedestrian ..... There is not discussion look at functional classifications of streets. More...with respect to the mix of uses and pedestrian orientation we want to see in this area ..... We want to see it designed to accommodate those .... Kubby/ Traffic calming measures .... Davidson/ Le Roy/ As this evolves .... I think our dialogue will continue on it. Kubby/ ..... more interested in emphasizing the public use of space ...... gateway idea...sesable from across the street. Le Roy/ Are you being locational specific on that? Kubby/ I am looking for more that one area as a public area ..... Nov/ Most of us are saying there should be some public space .... Kubby/ .... There are some beautiful old pictures of d.t. that is in the public library that I would really like you to look at to kind of get the flavor ..... That there are some linkages to our history .... lighting things .... I am not interested in lights going up ..... usable ..... This represents only a reasonably accurate trens~pt[on of the iowa City counc~: meeting of May 8, 1995, W8050895 May 8, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 9 Throg/ Le Roy/ We are almost to the end .... questions and discussion Throg/ I wanted to make a couple of observations about today's meeting .... It was really well conducted meeting ..... One of major property owner south of town is federal government .... They are not involved in this process at all .... If they can be involved .... Other is there are 12 members on the advisory committee ..... 34 people there ..... strong sense there a very significant proportion of the participants were property owners and business interests .... So some people were grossly under represented so ..... are skewed. Residents were under represented and any potential users who are not business owners ..... I don't know how to get them connected into the process with regard to future meetings .... Horow/ A question... is it possible to use an existing company .... using their employees .... hypothetically use them as asking them to be representatives .... residents of multi-family units ..... office buildings, can you use guinea pigs. Le Roy/ We have in the past done some things with this .... surveys on sidewalks with users .... zip code checks ..... role play ....... greater diversity ..... Means we have to contend with it .... do some speculation about different people,s point of view ..... Baker/ People directly involved ..... largest users .... Throg/ They should be there .... Baker/ Le Roy/ We will put our heads together with staff .... tap into some of that opinion. Kubby/ Big variety of residents ...... CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 95-61 SIDE 1 Throg/ And the mix of residents and users of the area .... future... depends on what scenario is played out .... Some of them... aren't there now .... have to kind of imagine ..... Le Roy/ ...we have to envision something that doesn't currently exist and think of all of the amenities that would require This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of May 8, 1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 . council Work Session Page 10 Horow/ Anybody bring up a grocery store? Le Roy/ No one brought it up in our meeting ..... oh, they did .... one of the groups brought it up. Horow/ Anything else? Nov/ Are you people going to be involved in the designing of the parking structure? Le Roy/ Not as of now ...... No we are not contracted to do that right now .... End... I appreciate the opportunity to have this input from you ..... Copies of overheads that we presented. Baker/ 25 specific concerns. Could we have a copy of that? Le Roy/ We are going to be processing all of this information and we will make it available to everyone in a report of what transpired in the meetings today and the analysis that followed ..... And then our next step is to internally process all of this information .... spend the next couple of weeks sorting through all of that... make a report to the group .... presenting those alternatives ..... goal to end this next session in mid June with a distinct direction .... Given the nature of the crowd that showed up we are going to have a separate and distinct Advisory Committee meeting .... Ultimately the Advisory Board is going to be making a recommendation to you .... Kubby/ Other great resource...users of open space or public space .... are the users of the open space in the pedestrian mall .... they are a resource ..... people with some definite opinions about our public space ..... Horow/ It would have to be balanced then by some of the owners of stores on pedestrian mall ...... Kubby/ The owners of the stores are there ..... Le Roy/ Important...balance .... We will endeavor to recognize that. Kubby/ More interested to focus on people that is harder to get them involved .... lower income ..... Horow/ Thisrepresents only area$onably accur~e transcription orthoIowa City council meeting of May 8,1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 11 Le Roy/ Thank you .... Pigott/ Are we talking to these folks about the parking facility at all...? Kubby/ Davidson/ We met this morning with them... filled them in on what this next time is. It will be a coordinated process. Thisrepresents only areaeons~y accurate ~anscriptlon of thelowa City coundl meeting of May 8,1995. WS060895 May 8, 1995 Council Work Session Page Near South Side Multi-Use Parking Facility 95-61 S1 Fowler/ You have the memo. What do you ~ 9 th~nk. Nov/ No, not too thrilled. Lehman/ Do you believe this is the best location for a parking facility south of Burlington Street? Fowler/ Under the guidelines we were working under, yes. Lehman/ Fowler/ It depends on what you want to do with it, Ernie. If you want to build a parking ramp that is going to serve the South Side and the CBD, if it is a block further north it will serve both sides better .... Lehman/ I am worried about filling the commercial portion of the building and keeping it full of cars .... With those two things in mind, is this the best place to put it? Fowler/ Depending on the development that goes on in the south ..... Looking at what we have right now today, further north would get more cars. Throg/ But if we put it further north we would have a cluster of high rise parking structures forming our d.t. basically ..... Pigott/ Davidson/ First thing is we looked at sites that were essentially available to us ..... Other thing is that we have looked at a site that will eventually serve the needs of Near South Side .... if we do it sooner than later... facility ...permit parking...but eventually not have .... it will hopefully, as properties redevelop in the Near South Side .... this will be a structure that serves those uses .... Horow/ Ask you to refresh my mind... parking facility behind the Rec Center .... and Chauncey Swan... wasn't the conversation about the immediacy to d.t ..... and ability for south of Court Street to be served Davidson/ .... Locationally from the CBD this is a little bit farther but not a whole lot farther than Chauncey Swan in this area ...... Discuss ..... is the whole aspect of having things integrated into this facility that is not parking ..... That is Thisrepresents only ereasonably accurate transcription ofthelowa CI~ council meeting of May 8,1995, WS050895 May 8, 1995 · . Council Work Session Page 13 something new for us .... done successfully in other places Horow/ ...... Davidson/ With Transit Free Fares ..... Horow/ Ernie, where are you going? Lehman/ I look at the location of that facility. If we are talking about servicing the area south of Court, what buildings... chances of new buildings being built within three blocks of that new facility? They are all new. Nothing is going up down there. Davidson/ ...If you look at that Near South Side Plan, we have identified the ones .... talked to property owners, they indicated... looking for to redevelop .... area directly to the south... property owners down there .... looking to put them together .... Kubby/ But putting it this far north how much does that set us up for needing another .... further west and further south? Horow/ Nov/ It is a concern. Davidson/ We do... see the federal lot as being the potential for maybe another facility ..... Franklin/ Talking about in this area having high intensity development. High density development. A very urban setting. If you are talking about concentrating a population in a very small... 20 block area... if we continue to use the automobile, there will be that demand. If we don't ..... then we won't do anothor one .... Davidson/ ..... But we are talking about something that is the next step up in terms of high density. Kubby/ ...... two parking facilities, but not so close together. I think that St. Pats and the Federal Building are too close together and that how are we going to serve the people further south? Horow/ ..... saving and maintaining some of the housing stock that Thisrepresents only areasonebly accurate transcription ofthelowa City council meeting of Mey 8, 1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 Council Work Session Page 14 was there ..... only way to get another parking facility... would be to buy something from the University or tear down the existing housing stock ...... Baker/ ...one spot further south? Kubby/ Would that be enough depending on the bulk of the Iaclllty. ...... Have one of them ..... South of Court you can have on site parking .... Franklin/ When you said take an existing parking facility and turn it into a larger capacity- Kubby/ Federal lot would be a better choice ..... Franklin/ W~at we are trying to balance out here is the short term interest in constructing a facility that is going to be used. We believe that in the long run two facilities are quite likely and will be in demand in this area if we continue in the pattern that we have been in .... we will need two barking facilities on the Near South Side. And what we are trying to do at this point is deal with short term demand and who will use that facility. The federal lot is far enough away ..... There is a distance there that is not going to be tolerated by people. Kubby/ The city keeps building facilities that are closer and so at some point it is the chicken and the egg argument .... If there weren't as many opportunities... that we didn't facilitate the use ..... perpetuates our patterns ..... How much do we continue to facilitate car habits? Baker/ If our goal is redevelopment in that area at a higher density ..... Can you do that and discourage automobiles from going down there by not providing the parking? Is it possible to have redevelopment at a higher density and discourage automobile traffic at the same time? Kubby/ ...I am not saying discourage automobile use, period. I am saying controlling the density and volume of it because there is tons of parking d.t. and south of Burlington ..... I don't want to facilitate it to this addicted end that we have .... Baker/ So we are back to one facility at a different location than what is proposed here .... Kubb¥/ I would promote that as a place to start discussion. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of tha Iowa City council meeting of May 8, 1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 15 Lehman/ I think you have to have a facility fairly close to that block area between Burlington and Court ..... nobody is going to develop that commercially unless there is adequate parking. So it has got to be close. Nov/ The University has plans to build something on the Burlington/Madison corner ..... Davidson/ .... parking issues are there every time .... Horow/ Naomi .... what was your position on this? Nov/ I have concerns about putting recreation facilities on here and showers. I don't think we should necessarily need showers .... We are very close to the Rec center at this point. Horow/ .... do you have a problem with this location? Nov/ No, I don't have a serious problem with this location but the uses will stop me. Arkins/ I am hearing about three different debates. I want to understand .... We had been under the assumption that we were to pursue additional parking, Near South Side ..... St. Pat's .... think about the multi-use facility. Now I am hearing debate over the location of the parking. I have no idea where to go with this. I am hearing a debate over the location .... over parking ..... And we haven't gotten to the point ~? whether you like the parking ramp multi-purpose facility.. If you wish to engage in a separate debate over the parking location and are willing to grant us a different kind of authority, Joe's to condemn, then I think we need to have a discussion on that. We thought we had reached the point that the St. Pat's site appeared to be preferable because of its availability. And that if we are going to build it, let's put together some kind of a building facility that is of a mixed use ..... And if you were satisfied with those things, allow us to proceed further with negotiations... with St. Pat's. I am just hearing a whole different set of themes .... Then we need to step back and hear what you have to say ..... Nov/ Originally our preference was the Federal Building lot ..... years ago .... because it was centrally located. We got no where in terms of availability. So at that point we said let's try for another location. Kubby/ I think there are ways to push that that we haven't done in Thisrepresents only areasonably accurate transmlptlon ofthelowa City council meeting of May 8,1995. WS050895 May 8, 1~5 . Council Work Session Page 16 the past ..... Just seems crazy to me to talk about two facilities so close together ..... Nov/ I think if there were multi-uses .... less of an imposing presence .... Kubby/ ...My concern is how we promote the use of the private automobile with one occupant ..... Lehman/ If you don't provide an opportunity for those folks to park, they will go where they can park .... Kubby/ Lehman/ Nov/ I have been pushing outlying parking lots and shuttle busses for years ..... People don't want it that way .... Horow/ All this design...unless we have a viable plan for having people .... Kubby/ We need to go on with the design element of the whole area. We have not even talked to them about this facility. Horow/ .... encouraging those buildings to be built .... Kubby/ Whole conversation .... about how much parking .... and where are the location of those ..... Horow/ How long have you known about the concept of having parking lot on the corner of Linn and Court? Kubby/ For a long time and I said I voted against this parking ramp. I will vote, in my mind, I can acceptably see for sure one parking facility south of Burlington and I didn't want this one ..... Throg/ Horow/ .... I have not heard Ernie talking about one major one. He was talking about the location. Atkins/ Are you conceptually sold on the idea of a mixed use? Council/ Yes. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription' of the Iowa City council meeting of May 8, 1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 . . council Work Session Page Arkins/ That's that. That is one. Council/ (All talking). Atkins/ You will have more than ample opportunity to take a crack at the design of the thing. Second question becomes, where are you going to put it? And we have been openly discussing this with St. Pat's. And the second question was do we continue to pursue that and that is where the consensus begins to fall apart. Throg/ I must admit I thought there was already a majority in favor of locating this facility at that particular location .... Horow/ Question is how many more of us are disagreeing or agreeing on that location? Baker/ If there is a clear majority that is comfortable with that location then Steve needs to know to go ahead and negotiate. Kubby/ But that is the reason I brought.this up because for me, by saying yes to the St. Pat's location, I believe that we are setting ourselves up to say for sure that we are going to need a second facility .... Baker/ I think what staff has said... a multi-purpose ..... But when you put together a public building that includes parking, that is a dramatic difference ...... St. Pat's block is a good spot for it ..... For a building of this kind ..... Now the question is that going to be enough in the long run? I hope not. I hope that eventually that we will need, because of high density development in that area, another multi-purpose building somewhere further south ..... Throg/ ...It may well be because people rely so heavily on cars that we will, in fact, need to build a second ramp farther down to the southwest .... But that does not mean the redevelopment of this 20 block area should orient around the car primarily. It means that people, as we currently are, need cars .... But we can design a 20 block area that really is responsive to the needs of people on foot so that they don't have to be driving around in the 20 block area .... Kubby/ Long term changes of habits .... I think we have to look further ahead than what we are doing. Baker/ I think we are looking ahead ..... In the long run, two Thisrepresents onlyarsasonably eccuretstranscripti~ofthslowa City coundl meeting of MayS, 1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 18 things can happen .... South Side Plan .... encourages more pedestrian friendly activities ..... In the long run whether or not we need a parking facility could be affected by those decisions ...... We can certainly do something now to stimulate redevelopment in that area. Putting it now in another location further south doesn't .... for what we want to do .... Pigott/ How do we know that? Nov/ Lehman/ We are going to build on the Hieronymous block ..... Would you like a parking ramp within a block of you? Pigott/ You would want one right next door to you. Lehman/ Absolutely. It makes the space much more leasable .... more profitable. Pigott/ ...got two parking ramps within a couple of blocks Council/ Baker/ If we build a multi-purpose building and we control what goes into that building ..... Kinds of things that will facilitate development ..... day care in that area .... laundry .... dry cleaning .... That location will stimulate that area sooner. Pigott/ Both in terms of retail development and in terms of parking it will stimulate it ..... I understand the desire to facilitate development and have the growth of that commercial area along Burlington and Court. I think we are making some pretty big statements that putting that parking lot on Linn and Court will do that when I am not so sure that is any more of an incentive than putting it on the federal lot. I don't even know the history of the federal lot issue. Baker/ We have a much better chance of doing it at this location .... Two, the site. The federal lot is going to help the d.t. area ..... Nov/ We will never be able to assure which lot is going to be better than another or which parking is going to be better than another. I think we have an obligation to do something .... impact fees .... spend them .... We should start doing something in an area that is not resistant. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of May 8, 1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 Council Work Session Page 19 Pigott/ Horow/ I want to find out about the deadline in terms of Bell Breese parking. Arkins/ About three years. Pigott/ What are those things that we have done and what are the things that some people believe that we could do? Horow/ We have written to the feds, the GSA, in terms of the air rights ..... Davidson/ There is nobody local. Nov/ They have said no several times. We also have a history of Des Moines having tried this and not being successful ..... They don't like the idea of leasing the air rights to their parking facility. Lehman/ I just think there might be a better location. I do not oppose this location .... I think we should build it in the best possible location ..... Pigoft/ .... build something bigger ..... Why build two? Kubby/ My cringing came from saying St. Pat's and the federal building. I would vehemently oppose two big buildings ..... What will a parking facility at the federal building do for south of Court Street? Baker/ .... Kubby/ The main purpose of the building is for storage of cars, long terms and short term .... Baker/ Is it the capacity that we are talking about? Davidson/ Depending on the other uses you want to put in ..... I think in your materials we say 250-500. Nov/ We really ought to base that on how much we expect to use for permit parkers ..... Davidson/ That is going to be variable over time ..... Initially we think we definitely have a market there for long term permits .... principally we want this to serve the Thisrepresents only areasonsbly accurate transcription ofthalowa City council meeting of May 8,1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 . . Council Work Session Page 20 redevelopment of that area and we are operating under the premise that to spur redevelopment, that is the one thing the city can do more than anything else .... Baker/ .... Is one lot at 500 better than 2 at 300? Kubby/ ...Because this is going to be in a big dense area, I would rather have one larger facility or two larger facilities versus three smaller ones .... I feel like we are not doing a very good job listening to each other ..... Using it as an example. I would rather get more impact one piece of ground for the .... purpose of parking cars. To answer your question, I would rather have one bigger facility than two. Baker/ Kubby/ ...matters where the location is .... design and other amenities. Baker/ Charged language. I didn't use the phrase screw up the corner. That is charged language. I don't see us screwing up a corner here. I am not going to vote for anything that I don't think adds-I see too much ugliness built in the private sector. I am not going to be a participant to the public building an ugly building. I don't see us screwing up the corner ...... One big lot, further south, how big? Kubby/ I can't answer that now. I don't know what the density is going to be ..... goals in terms of number of cars we want to facilitate ...... We don't help create new paths for people. We just facilitate current habits and that the more we facilitate the use of private-one occupant per vehicle or even vehicle use with a couple of people in it. I am finding a way to mitigate that at least a little bit. Not 100%. That is not my VlSIOn. Throg/ To my mind this question as to whether there ought to be a second lot or not really really dove tails quite nicely with the design plan for the South Side ..... But it seems to me that before us tonight is a question of whether we want to support the idea of building a garage, a mixed use garage. I am quite prepared to talk about whether that is a good location for a mixed use garage. Kubby/ ...In looking at this location, how does that-what does that do to our options and needs for things later on in terms of location and quantity...? Thisrepresents only a reasonably accurate trenscri~lon of ~elowa City coun~l meeting of May 8,1985. WS050885 May 8, 1995 Council Work Session Page 21 Throg/ I don't think it would be a good idea to try and develop a single large parking facility to serve the entire south side. It wouldn't work ...... Horow/ We have got to move on folks ..... lot of issues coming up here. Seems to me...if we can get a nose count or do you have a consensus. Jeff, you are looking at us. I see at least four people for going with where we are right now. Naomi, me, Larry, Ernie. Davidson/ Steve indicated we had the two questions. One...concept of the facility and then this location. Council/ Mixed use facilities .... Nov/ Mixed use with no showers. Pigott/ I would like a shower .... Kubby/ ..... all or none ..... Atkins/ I think we have pretty well taken care of that. Davidson/ Pigoft/ Ideas of what can be in there were hypothetical. Davidson/ We have talked with people in the ADP .... concept but they are very excited about it .... Throg/ A reaction with regard to the mixed use notion .... Whatever goes in there ought to be designed for use by people who park in the facility or who are likely to walk by it ...... Davidson/ The showers, by the way, were actually more for bike commuter~ .... Nov/ Not as convinced ..... current Rec Center building ..... Davidson/ Baker/ If the church building itself is out of the equation .... assuming that if we make a deal... and church moves later and they want to sell their buildings, that is currently zoned what? Atkins/ The church and the rectory are both CB-5, aren't they? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of May 8, 1995, WS050895 May 8, 1995 Council Work Session Page 22 Baker/ Will that zoning stay in affect for that property if it changes? How do we control what happens to the church if it is sold separately? Kubby/ The only control that we have is with tax abatement ..... Nov/ It is also on the National Register, isn't it? Franklin/ It is not on yet. It is identified in the Near South Side Plan as a historic structure. It is not on the National Register of Historic Places. It probably will be nominated for a land mark. Ho~ow/ Pigott/ What is going to happen next? Atkins/ I understand that you are generally, almost unanimous in support for the mixed use and that we have authorization to continue our conversations with St. Pat's. Remember I try to shape some sort of arrangement deal with them. That has to come back to you anyway .... Thlsrepreeents only areasenabiy accuratetranscription ofthelowa Cl~ coun~l meeting of MsyS, 1995. WS050896 May 8, 1995 . council Work Session Page 23 Moore Business Forms CEBA Loan Agreement 95-61 S2 Horow/ I know people are out in the lobby. Atkins/ Susan, you skipped Iowa City-Beyond 2000. Horow/ We have already taken care of that. Sohoon/ Moore Business Forms, you have the loan agreements before you. This process started in January 1994 and at that time this council reviewed that application and submitted it onto the state and the state approved it and now we have worked out a loan agreement and promissory notes for the project and that is what on your agenda tomorrow. I will leave it at that unless you have specific questions that you would like addressed. Nov/ We would like a progress report. Schoon/ Other than that, regarding the loan agreement. Kubby/ I am interested in having a claw back agreement with the city portion of the loan agreement. That if Moore Business Forms for some reason doesn,t fulfill the state obligation there is the same kind of-I guess there is two claw back agreements I am interested in. One that we-that they have to pay us back so we can pay the state back or however that works and that even though this is a no interest loan that if they don't do wkat they say they are going to do that we get the money paid back with interest. Whatever pro-rated way that is the same as the CEBA process. Schoon/ Okay, with the CEBA fund there is an essence of claw back. Kubby/ But not for the $100,000. Schoon/ No. Right. Okay. I just wanted to make sure you were that clear. And then for the $100,000 it is a loan with a five year pay back. We did discuss, Sarah and I, regarding adding a claw back provision. That had occurred-Our negotiations with the company regarding the promissory note had started way before that and that point in time we did not feel that we should add that because we were in process. But Clara and I are fully aware that from now on all loan agreements regarding economic development projects shall contain a claw back provision .... Kubby/ I think it should be not just with the amount that the state is given but the amount like for the $100,000 if something Thisrepresents only areasonably accurate transcription ofthslow8 Cl~ council meeting of May 8, 1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 . council Work Session Page 24 should happen ...... That that has to be paid back with interest. CH~GE TAPE TO REEL 95-61 SIDE 2 I do agree with the process point that this was in process when we started getting a little more- It should be a status quo thing. I don't think this is a negative thing that we are doing ..... Nov/ This is state language that many jobs are maintained and so many Jobs are retained. What is the difference? Schoon/ When they submitted their application, Moore stated that if they did not expand their facility here there was the possibility of losing some jobs. That was around the number 50. So those are the 50 retained jobs and then they are created jobs which the company adds to that level at that point in time of which they submitted the application. Nov/ There were 137 jobs maintained. There were 50 jobs retained. schoon/ 137 would be those jobs that, on the application, there were 187 total jobs are Moore Business Form at one point in time. They had stated that they could lose possibly 50 jobs there. So the maintained is the 187 minus this 50. Okay. Bill Noon is here from the local plant and Brian Rady from the corporate headquarters to give you a little progress report and to answer any questions you may have. Brian Rady/ From corporate headquarters in Illinois and just a little bit of background. We have three product groups... Manufacturing group is to have a hub and a satellite type set up and the hub plant will have all the front end type work. The satellite would simply have the manufacturing type jobs ..... 50 jobs would be the front end type jobs .... 137 would have been maintained as manufacturing type jobs, 50 were the front end type people that could have been lost if the hub was selected for another location and then there was the created jobs of 130 ..... Iowa City was selected .... generous package .... that was why Iowa City was selected as the hub. In terms of your fears on payback but we are already beyond the goals that were set for project oompletion date was I think was in february 1996 ..... Also in terms of dollars that Moore was to spend in machinery and equipment in improving the plant. We have surpassed those numbers as well. I don't think there is much risk there. Thisrepresents only areasonably accurats ~anscrlptlon ofthelowa~l~ycouncil meeting of May 8,1995. W8050895 May 8, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 25 Kubby/ ...Should be a status quo way .... Rady/ We would have been comfortable with that ..... conservative hurdles that we have already surpassed and Bill can give some specific numbers to show .... Bill Noon/ Financial manager in the Iowa City facility. Originally we had estimated that we would spend $1,100,000 in funds. Currently we have already spent $1,614,000 in improvements with over $500,000 in building improvements, furniture and fixtures another $617,000 and another $450,000 in some equipment we brought in .... We have increased our staffing .... Our target was 317 people. We have already increased that to 336 at this time. Potential to have a few more positions open there. In regards to the Kirkwood Agreement, the Jobs training Agreement, originally that was for $275,000 ...... that was increased to $301,700 of which we have claimed $260,000. We have $42,000 to go. So we have exceeded what we said we were going to do so far a year earlier basically than what we said we would ..... Kubby/ I have a question about the Solid and Hazardous Waste Reduction Plan. So, what happened? Did you already have a plan? Was there an audit that happened? Noon/ No, that is part of-Safety and environment are very important to us. There was, my understanding, that we were asked by the state. We offered to be audited to show the improvement that we could. Made arrangements to fulfill some of the areas. We have waste programs ..... waste we do with aluminum cans .... inks we try to recycle. Basically we volunteered ourselves, working with the state to do so. Kubby/ Can you give me some numbers? .... How much paper use to go to landfill? How much is now going to (can't hear)..? Noon/ I can get that information .... as far as what our current waste levels are. Kubby/ Part of the CEBA process to look at that .... give us a little short blurb and send it to us. Noon/ Okay. I can put that together. Nov/ Karen, I toured that and asked that question last year and almost every piece of paper that they do not sell they have already shipped to City Carton. This represents only s reasonably accurate transcription of the iowa City council meeting of May 8, 1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 council Work Session Page 26 Kubby/ This is part of the state policy and it is important to show that community businesses are not fighting these things. They want to do it ..... Horow/ ..... Throg/ Would it be out of line for me to ask where you get your paper stock...? Noon/ Without getting into specifics .... Pacific Northwest ..... have some mills, I think, in Wisconsin .... contracts all around the country ..... varies .... covers the entire U.S. Horow/ Anything else? Thank you very much. Thisrepresents only areasonably accurate transcription ofthelowa City council meeting of May 8,1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 Council Work Session Page 27 Paratransit R.F.P. Horow/ Steve- 95-61 S2 Kubby/ Steve, one of the things that I am a little uncomfortable with... is just the timing of this stuff. That because this has been such a long term process, figuring out what is the future of paratransit ..... We have a chance to look at it. I feel like that option is kind of out because the date is tomorrow that these are going out .... Feel trapped. Davidson/ If you tell us they are not going out, they are not going out. Horow/ Take it from the top. Davidson/ I think most of you are aware by now the Federal Transit Administration is requiring us to essentially go out for proposals ..... for paratransit service for FY96. We have prepared an R.F.P. that does address some of the concerns that Iowa City and Coralville had about the existing service ..... The R.F.P. that we have prepared is one that we feel meets the requirements of what the federal Transit Administration is requiring. They are specific about some things they will allow ..... Do have some flexibility... We are proposing a joint R.F.P. with Coralville... Once we receive proposals, if each city council wants to select someone different .... Not locking ourselves into Iowa City and Coralville having the same provider ..... We think there might be some positive aspects to that. University Heights has indicated they wish to continue having their own contract for paratransit service which is the way we operate it right now ..... They will .... wait and see what Iowa City and Coralville do with respect to the provider they select .... Board of Supervisors also wanted to do that. Wait to see what happens with Iowa City and Coralville service. Nov/ Does University Heights have to put out a request for proposal like this? Davidson/ No, they don't. My understanding, Naomi, the way it works is Iowa City has to insure .... the University Heights has paratransit service but that you do have that option of offering University Heights their own autonomy .... with respect to who they select. Fowler/ The major changes from what we have done in the past. First of all the fare revenue will revert to Iowa City and This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of May 8, 1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 Council Work Session Page 28 Coralville instead of to the provider. The vehicles would be dedicated solely for use in the Iowa City and Coralville area. Throg/ .... How does that affect service within the county? Fowler/ That would be separate service? Throg/ Who would provide it? Fowler/ That would be up to the county to determine how they provided that service? Arkins/ The county does not have to provide paratransit service. Throg/ But it would alter the way the service is currently provided. Horow/ If someone from the city wanted to go into the county, we would take them out there. Is that right? Fowler/ No. Davidson/ (Can't hear). Kubby/ Is there a way to write this section so that if Johnson County would respond to this request for proposal and they were granted it that that wouldn't have to happened ...... decreases efficiencies. Fowler/ Well, we gain the efficiencies by having the vehicles dedicated to Iowa City. Throg/ We went through this discussion fairly intensely a little while ago and I don't remember how it was resolved in terms of majority sense of the council. But I don't remember it being resolved this way. Atkins/ We believe that the dedication of vehicles is far more efficient and thereby much more cost effective. Kubby/ Horow/ The number of clients from Iowa City that go into the county are how many? Fowler/ I don't know. Thisrepresents only a reasonably accurate transc,iptlon oftbelow8 City council meeting of May8,1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 29 Bake~/ Do you not know that because you just not know it or are you tried to get that information and it is not available. Atkins/ The information has not been forthcoming in a fashion that we want to do an analysis. Nov/ I believe that people going beyond the city limits into the unincorporated areas will be far fewer than people going from Coralville and Iowa City and vice versus. So what will happen at that point? Horow/ Nov/ Fowler/ Iowa City Coralville joint city limits. Kubby/ What if they have separate contracts .... just within the city limits ..... decreasing service? Nov/ What if somebody wants to go from University Heights to Coralville and Iowa City? Davidson/ University Heights has said .... they will take care of their residents of University Heights ...... Nov/ So if we, with our dedicated vehicle, have and Iowa City resident who wants to visit somebody in University Heights we are going to take them there and we are going to take them to Coralville only if Iowa City and Coralville have the same provider. Davidson/ Coralville Transit operates in both communities. Iowa City Transit does not. Baker/ So does that mean that Coralville will be responsible for taking somebody from Coralville to Iowa City and back? Davidson/ They would be required, yes. Baker/ Pigott/ So a person who would use such a thing would call up the Coralville SEATS .... Davidson/ The Coralville Transit Service area is Coralville's responsibility. Thisrepresents only area$onably accuratetranscription ofthelowa City council meeting of May 8,1995, WS050895 May 8, 1995 council Work Session Page 30 Kubby/ ...in the memo...no changes are proposed in how the service is operated in the perspective of the person's using it. That is not really true ..... a couple of people living in Ecumenical Towers who have spouses in care facilities in Lone Tree who on a very regular basis use SEATS to go visit. They will not be able to do that ..... Davidson/ To the degree that the City of Iowa City is paying for that trip and that is not clear to us even ..... Yes, that would be a change because according to the ADA Paratransit Plan, Iowa City is not required to provide that service. Now, you can provide it in a~dition to the service that you are required by ADA to put out ..... or the County Board of Supervisors could decide to provide the trip as well. Kubby/ The system as it is set up is a beautiful thing .... How can we fulfill our needed obligations to bid this out and still have the bigger picture flow like it flows? ...... So that the high quality ..... Horow/ One of the ways is to work with the Board of Supervisors ..... Pigott/ But if they are a potential bidder, how do you do that? Horow/ If they can come in with a bid ...... Kubby/ Pigott/ Could you redesign the R.F.P. to meet the concerns t, at you have, Karen? A consumer in Iowa City who wishes to go to Coralville, that we put that in this R.F.P ...... To be able to go into the county...to drop off and pick up. Horow/ Is it possible to design this in such a way that it is efficient? ...... taxi is used ..... Arkins/ We would intend to use the taxis as much as possible .... Could we not write supplemental contract for circumstances 'that beyond? Fowler/ We can write contracts that would be by the hour, by the mile for service outside of the city limits. Atkins/ I think we can accon~odate what council is suggesting by some supplemental contract ..... Thisrepresents only a reasonably accuratetranscription of ~elowa Citycouncil meeting of MayS, 1995, WS050895 May 8, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 31 Baker/ Would that supplemental contract be predicated on another source of revenue for that part of the service? Atkins/ I would suspect that is your call ...... Davidson/ You are obligated under ADA, the resources that you approve in the annual budget to your fixed route service area ..... you expanded that to the full city limits of Iowa City. You actually under ADA can't take some of those resources that you pledged to do that and pledge it to service to North Liberty. It has to be a supplemental contract above and beyond what you are doing .... Atkins/ The purpose of this is to fulfill the obligation we have to the federal government. We are doing that. If you wish to provide a service that goes beyond that obligation, you can do that also. It would be in a form of some supplemental agreement ..... We prefer the dedicated vehicles and that is our recommendation but we also ask for per hour-We are able to calculate the per hour .... Holecek/ Yes, you can contract with whoever you wish. Kubby/ If I were looking at this as a vendor it is like am I bidding per ride, per hour, per mile? ....... If we are doing the dispatching, how as a vendor can I control my costs? ..... Davidson/ Proposers can propose anyway that they wish. Then Iowa City and Coralville retain the right to negotiate exactly contractually how fees will be paid. Kubby/ Atkins/ The dispatch function to us is .... the most critical element in this proposal. That controls the vehicles being sent places ..... Pigott/ My concern...trying to meet a requirement of us .... I don't want to see us...it more difficult for the consumer here in Iowa City to try to find a ride out to wherever they are going just because we are fulfilling- Atkins/ Then you will have to write a supplemental contract because the federal government is saying we will give you federal aid. You must do these things to meet our obligations for federal aid. Now, if you wish to amend your supplemental contract, go right ahead ..... Thisrepresents only a reasonably accurate trans=lptlon ofthelowa Clty coun~l meeting of MayS, 1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 . . Council Work Session Page 32 Horow/ I think this council has consistently .~aid that in the best of all possible worlds we just want one system for the whole area. One vendor for the whole area and if there is a way that this contract can he written that should SEATS not get this bid ..... that it would be to the Board of Supervisors advantage to then bid the same vendor so that the whole system is integrated. Arkins/ I don't think you can do that. Horow/ You are saying it can't be that way. It has to be supplemental agreements ..... Davidson/ Sue, it would also have to be a reco~mmendation of this council to the Board of Supervisors. Arkins/ You have an obligation to the lowest responsible bidder. Once you have the lowest responsible bidder ...... very critical term. That if all things being equal you have an obligation as a public official to go with the lowest cost. All things being equal ...... You have under the term responsible, the ability to make judgements. Holecek/ You can make qualitative judgements. Atkins/ You can make qualitative quantitative judgements. That process has to occur. judgements in addition to the is the way the public bidding Kubby/ Can it occur such that if someone other than Johnson County gets the bid that in the negotiations then that we pull in Johnson County as not tagging onto ours but what are some of things if you should contact this company to get back to that whole system that you would need us to think about in terms of these negotiations before it is locked in. So that we increase the likelihood that we get back to this flowing system, that we have. Arkins/ ....... Once you have received a proposal then it is open. The whole world has seen all of them. You then have the ability, as long as it is not, so far a field from the proposal process to put it together in a fashion not unlike what we are going to do with Coralville ..... You have the ability to make those qualitative judgements ...... I think you have to get that basic federal obligation out of the way and that is what this does. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the iowa City council meeting of May 8, 1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 33 Nov/ I still have some concerns about the way this is written. Is it possible for a vendor to say I am going to bid on the Iowa City area only or on the Coralville area only? Davidson/ Not the way it is written. Baker/ I am still confused about requirements in the budget. We are required to provide paratransit service in the same area that we already have transit service and we have already expanded that to the city limits. Atkins/ Yes. Baker/ That's our basic service. Atkins/ Your service area is the corporate limits of the city right now. Baker/ .... we predicate a budget on that service area. So, as soon as we start sending people out of the service area we are going beyond our responsibility/requirement and there is a cost involved. Atkins/ Correct. Baker/ Do we have to build in ahead of time that cost or is there another source of funding for that additional . Arkins/ That is where the federal government and the city part company ..... they are concerned about the fixed route system ..... We have chosen to go further than that. When you begin supplementing it, the federal government is not going to say boo to you because what they are going to say is that is your call ...... We are not going to participate in the financing of that. Kubby/ So who pays now for an Iowa City resident going from Iowa City to North Liberty? The county pays for that now? Fowler/ We don't know. Atkins/ We are not sure .... we don't have adequate documentation ..... However, if Joe's operation runs the dispatch function, we know when it is going to be sent, where it is going, when it should arrive, when it should return. Kubby/ Let's go back to that scenario where Johnson County bids on Thlsrepreseutsonlyareason~ly 8ccurate ~anscrlpfion ofthelowa City council meeting of May8,1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 Council Work Session Page 34 it and receives it and we end up with a couple of different dispatching facilities. Atkins/ No, one dispatch facility, Joe's office. Kubby/ My question is if Johnson County does it, Johnson County residents are going to have to call one number and deal with one set of people and Coralville and Iowa City people will call- Atkins/ .... technologically not a problem. The county would be wise to contract with us to do the dispatching .... Kubby/ We want to collect information in a certain way .... One way to do that is dispatch ourselves. The other way is the put those services that we want provided in the R.F.P ...... Atkins/ .... We believe that we will save enough in the bidding process to offset the cost of that dispatcher. I am trying to not use charged language. However, the county has been absolutely incapable giving Joe the kind of information he needs ..... We have got to find a means to control. Dispatch is the control. Kubby/ Atkins/ We have no guarantee .... We don't have information from the county to manage the half million dollars that we spend. Kubby/ .... to me it seems disjointed to have the city do part of the service and whoever is doing it ...... What is the advantage to us...? Why is it to our advantage to have the dispatching done by us and the rides given by this other entity? ..... Arkins/ We control the other entity .... Joe's people will dispatch them. Their only job is to move people around. Pigott/ Karen is asking why not have them do the dispatching function as well? Kubby/ .... why is it to our advantage to use that strategy? Fowler/ We haven't been able to get any control or any idea as to what is going on ..... We got them to do a trial period where they collected some information for us but everything has been resisted up until now. We would like the ability to say we are Thisrepresents only areasonably accumtetfanscflptlon ofthelowa ClW count] meeting of May 8,1995, WS050895 May 8, 1995 . . Council Work Session Page 35 spending this much money, providing these rides and this is when and where they go and we don't feel that we have had that accountability until this time. Pigott/ And you don't think in a R.F.P. putting that requirement... is enough that you get from one of your bidders the information that you currently seek? Is that what you are saying? ........ Kubby/ Fowler/ What we are saying is we feel that if we have the dispatch capabilities where we can decide which mechanism we use for transportation and I guess...clarify .... refer to taxis .... should have made it lift and non-lift ..... If we control the vehicle that goes then we can control the cost for that ride. Kubby/ The problem I have is the service at the end of the line .... Having that relationship between the dispatcher and the operators, the drivers ..... seems integral to providing that same level of service. Fowler/ You would still have that same interrelationship. Kubby/ Maybe you could ..... Horow/ Atkins/ The dispatch .... most of the SEATS rides is scheduled in advance ..... Be able to satisfy the kind of things you are concerned about. Kubby/ How are we planning to facilitate that kind of relationship Fowler/ The basic information that we would need to determine what vehicle we would need to use comes on their application to ride and that application lists their ability ..... That information would all be available and then the input from people who are actually driving and providing the service back to the dispatcher ..... The non-lift contract would include all the same level of service that the lift contract did as far as door to door service .... Kubby/ In the R.F.P. is says the door to door thing ..... SEATS does more than that ..... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of May 8, 1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 council Work Session Page 36 Horow/ The next sentence says paratransit operators shall have received sensitivity training in the proper conduct ..... Kubby/ ...shall assist passengers .... Horow/ sensitivity training to my way of thinking involves more than just taking someone to the door. Kubby/ First paragraph .... there are changes proposed and we need to be really clear about that ..... Horow/ ..... perception of change, to me, comes from a feeling that there is no whole picture throughout the area. But I don't see the aspect of the operators as being that different .... Baker/ I don't see the quality of the individual trip being diminished. I see the availability to make certain trips being altered. That is changed. Pigott/ ...insure the quality through this R.F.P ..... Horow/ Proud .... existing drivers .... assuming that the selection and training and continue use of these people .... on the job accumulation of sensitivities ..... That is not something that only one company can do ..... Kubby/ I agree that that is good that that is in here ..... Pigott/ Can't specify every situation .... Arkins/ You let Joe submit a proposal and it becomes a city service and you control it .... Horow/ Kubby/ I thought if we did it ourselves we didn't have to put it out for a R.F.P? Fowler/ You don't. Horow/ We wanted a consolidated approach to the whole geographical area. Kubby/ You aren't going to get it with this either ..... potential for disjointedness is high whether we do it ourselves. Atkins/ county...can do whatever they want to do ..... We run the Thisrepresents only areasonably accurate transcription oftbelows City council meeting of May 8,1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 37 system for at least the City of Iowa City. Pigott/ Arkins/ If you can't control it you can't have quality ..... you have no financial control whatsoever° Kubby/ The situation is different with the FTA coming in and saying you have got to do it because the advantage of us taking it over...is that we can have a whole system .... better ensure we have a whole system .... Whole bunch of advantages in the current situation ..... Horow/ Kubby/ I am talking about taking SEATS drivers who are county employees and have them become city employees if we did it on our own ..... Davidson/ The vehicles could be transferred .... If those vehicles aren't needed by SEATS anymore, they need to be put into a revenue service .... They could be transferred to Iowa City Kubby/ Conversation about the choices of the city doing it or putting out a proposal for bid. Baker/ Does that choice apply? I am interested in the city providing the service ..... but there are a lot of cost problems with that ..... I am assuming that the quality of the service is going to be monitored .... Atkins/ If you allow us to have the dispatch function we believe we are light years ahead of where we were before as far as quality of service is concerned because it can be monitored and then it can be managed. Right now we are not sure we get charged for. Baker/ .... I don't see change meaning inevitably a change in quality of the service because we have some control over it. Atkins/ .... City'employee can provide just as good of service as the county employee can. Baker/ ...How can an outside vendor come in with a proposal and anticipate cost...? How can anybody else get you that kind of information? Thisrepresents only oreasonably accurate transcription of thelowa Citycouncil meeting of May 8,1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 Council Work Session Page 38 Fowler/ We specified a number of vehicles throughout the day. Baker/ Just simply X number of vehicles and those will cover X number of trips? ..... Fowler/ We also have it in there to expand if we- Atkins/ ...They will have cost per employee, per vehicle, per hour for this... and that is how they will calculate. And then if it becomes necessary to either amend the obligations we have under the federal government or you wish to put together supplemental contracts .... Lehman/ You are also asking them for a detailed estimate of expenses .... Kubby/ I think we need to beef those numbers up ..... Fowler/ I have met with Systems CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 95-62 SIDE 1 Bid it out as a lift or non-lift ride day... Their concern was just that they could get transportation and we ask them to provide us with the exact number of vehicles that they needed. They have 24 pickups that need to be made in about an hour in the morning and 24 taken back. They have 24 sites in Iowa City and Coralville ..... Kubby/ ..... People who have to get to work should not have any fudge factor for getting to work or getting home .... Fowler/ Discussed that with Systems and explained that we did not want to alter the service level. We wanted to try and maintain the service level that they had now and that we would be using alternate types of transportation. They had no problem with it. But we are still waiting to get exact numbers. Kubby/ Fowler/ Systems said that they had been advised by the County that they were 25% of the rides on the system ..... Throg/ My sense is that there are so many questions about the proposed R.F.P. that I am not prepared to support it and maybe it is a great idea and maybe it isn't. But I see significant changes in the current system .... uncomfortable enough that I This rapre,~ents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of May 8, 1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 Council Work Session Page 39 could not support the existing R.F.P. and I fee like our conversation is stuck right now ..... Baker/ Confused about if this is not a satisfactory R.F.P., what is? ..... Pigott/ .... Atkins/ Why not do the R.F.P. and compare the numbers? Kubby/ The other thing we are working under is the time frame. Our current contract runs out June 1 or June 30? Okay, that is creeping up ..... It is still a short time frame. One of the advantages of an R.F.P. is we don't have time to do it ourselves in this short time frame ..... Davidson/ Your existing contracts with SEATS allows 30 day extensions. Horow/ What is your pleasure? Kubby/ I think we need another conversation to decide if we want to do it ourselves or do a R.F.P. Lehman/ We say right here that we are not obligated to accept any proposal. I think we request it. Kubby/ .... I think we need to be more clear about what we want before we put it out. Horow/ I agree on the anxiety level of the SEATS riders but I also feel that a lot of that has been generated by the SEATS drivers ....... I think ..... we have been use to the perception of a good program .... dreadful management ability ..... Kubby/ Baker/ Why couldn't we put this out and have Joe set up a proposal for the city to provide the service? Nov/ That is certainly a viable option ..... we are going to have some anxiety levels among the riders ..... Throg/ The problem for me is the proposal seems to change the service significantly and I don't have a clear sense. Baker/ Thisrepresents only areasonabl¥ accurate transcription ofthelowe City council meeting of May 8, 1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 . council Work Session Page 40 Throg/ The county stuff, for example. Different dispatchers .... Baker/ It is different ..... Horow/ Is it possible for a city to respond to its own R.F.P.? Holecek/ I wouldn't term it as responding to your own R.F.P. I think there is legal room for negotiation .... Arkins/ The City'of Phoenix does it all of the time .... departments also bid on them. Holecek/ ...It at least gives you a starting point for some information. Horow/ I agree. Atkins/ This is not hard and fast in that sense ..... Horow/ I R.F.P. does not mean we are bound to have to take responses that come back. At least we are able to see what is there. We are operating with boogie men right now. We don't know what is there. Davidson/ There might not be anything there .... Horow/ Are there four people who are willing to have this thing go forward and see what we get? (Kubby-no, Nov-yes, Lehman-yes, Baker-yes ..... Baker/ What is it that, by delaying tonight, what is it that we are going to ask the staff to do different? What are they going to bring back to us different? Horow/ As I understand, the staff is going to respond to this proposal in the same way that company X and Y will respond ..... Is that right? Isn't that what you would do? Atkins/ We would become a respondent. Horow/ Right now we are accepting this and having the staff go out to the market place with the R.F.P. and seeing what comes back in. Pigott/ Larry's question was what do you want from staff if you decide not to do this tonight? Thisrepresents only areasonably eccumtetrauscriptlon oftholowa City council meeting of May 8,1995. W8050895 May 8, 1995 . . council Work Session Page 41 Baker/ I am not sure why we would reject it unless we ask them for something different. Pigott/ To bolster the language regarding in the R.F.P. regarding the issue of quality or sensitivity .... and some how deal with the issue of delivery to the county ..... And then there was a third issue but I can't remember what it was off the top of my head ..... Baker/ Atkins/ We may get a wonderful proposal ..... you can't decide that for them ..... I am saying Joe will put his proposal together using city employees as a respondent. Kubby/ I would say X the R.F.P and let's do it ourselves and use our political cooperativehess to get Coralville, Johnson County and U-Heights to come together ..... have a unified system. Atkins/ That is a legitimate option. Baker/ Kubby/ I am not interested in putting it out .... we can do a good job at a fairly reasonable price ..... Horow/ We can't X the R.F.P ..... Davidson/ It is when you are working with a subcontractor that you have to go out for'proposal. If you operate it yourself, you operate it yourself. Atkins/ This would simply become a part of the Division of Transit in the Department of Parking and Transit, the Paratransit Division ..... he would have a team of drivers to run the paratransit system ..... He would probably write a contract with a taxi cab company anyway .... Pigott/ What would the likelihood be of several service providers in this county? Davidson/ There are some economies of scale ..... But we can't answer that until we see what comes in ..... Horow/ Why don't we just try it and see what comes back? Thisrepresents onlyaraasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowa City council meeting of May 8,1995, WS050895 May 8, 1995 Council Work Session Page 42 Pigott/ ..... We would have a bunch of, in the end, service providers .... Baker/ We are not obligated to accept anything ..... Davidson/ Horow/ We got four people. Baker/ ..... Throg/ I understand Karen to be saying provide a county wide service that would be run by the city as part of the city's operation. That is what I understand ..... Baker/ With the assumption...that proposal would rely on external revenue sources as well. Atkins/ Now, would we have to respond to a proposal for the City of Coralville because we would become a subcontractor to them? Davidson/ If Iowa City operates a service to themselves and Coralville still has to send out an R.F.P ...... Nov/ ...We could not provide a service to the county location without having a contract for them to pay for it and they can choose to say we will not contract. Baker/ ...We should have the option to judge which is the best proposal. If the city's proposal is the best for what we want, we will take it .... The sense of relying only on one proposal is escaping me here. Kubby/ We do it all the time. Baker/ Council/ Horow/ Larry, are you willing to go with this or not...? There are three people ready to go on the R.F.P. process here .... Baker/ ..... Nov/ Even if we decided that our proposal is the best one...we have no guarantee that the county will choose to accept that proposal or coralville will choose to accept that proposal or Thlsrepresents only areasonably accur~etranscrlptlon ofthelowa City council meeting of MayS, IS95. WS050895 May 8, 1995 Council Work Session Page 43 that we will have a unified system based on the fact that we made a proposal ourselves. Davidson/ I will tell you the county has indicated to us that they intend to continue to operate in rural areas regardless of what Iowa City and Coralville do ..... Throg/ What bothers me is that because we are having to respond to this FTA requirement we are proposing to change existing service significantly ...... Holecek/ I don't necessarily see that you are proposing to change it significantly ..... have an opportunity to get more information. Atkins/ If you want the Iowa City to Lone Tree factor built in ...... figure out a way to do that. Throg/ ...I feel very uncomfortable with this entire process. Baker/ You are saying this is going to mean a significant change in the service and the staff is saying- Throg/ Maybe or maybe not. Arkins/ No. Make it any way you want to make it. You need some basic information which to rely on to satisfy the feds .... If you wish to expand it...that is fine. We will have the numbers .... Kubby/ The reason I am not interested in doing an R.F.P. is because we are going to be a known quality .... accountable and can change things quick .... If we are going to have this new system .... I want to have more control .... Baker/ Kubby/ The last time we did contracting out with a private entity we had a lot of problems and we chose to do our own maintenance in our own building because it is so hard to write what you want in a contract ..... Horow/ Are there four people that are willing to go with this thing or not? Yes, okay, go with it. Baker/ Proposals including the clty's. This represents only areesonably accurate transcription ofthelowa City coun~l mee~ng of May 8,1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 44 Horow/ I think it is most important that the public realize that this council is unified in not wanting to increase the anxieties of the people who have been using this service .... We are working for the best possible solution that we can get .... Kubby/ This council is unanimous in wanting to maintain the high level of service that paratransit users currently have. Pigott/ I agree. Davidson/ Coralville council .... will be discussing this...works session tomorrow... Thisropresen~ only areasonablyaccurate transcdpfion d theIowa Cl~ council meeting of May 8,1995. WS050896 May 8, 1995 council Work Session Page 45 Parking Meters - 500 Block of Iowa Avenue Fowler/ I should just let Jimaddress this. and put it all together .... 95-62 S1 He sent out the survey Brachtel/ Memo says it all ..... Horow/ Fowler/ I called Joe and I can't remember his last name... and he couldn't be here tonight and I said I would relay his point and that was if you didn't want to put additional meters on the block he would be satisfied if you took them away from the north side of the block and moved them in front of his business. I said I would relay that information. Horow/ Nov/ I have a question. If there are four yeses at this location, three nos at that location, how did that happen? Brachtel/ Multiple tenants. Nov/ A survey of tenants rather than a survey of owners. Brachtel/ That is correct. We did not survey the owners. To every mailing address .... Nov/ I have real strong objections to putting more meters .... places do have an alternative to parking on the street ..... Brachtel/ One of the folks in the business said we have got off street parking but we want more parking. Pigott/ Let's put in three. Horow/ Why are we proposing five meters? Brachtel/ The intent was instead of having little pockets so that if you are going down the street in a situation where early on when maybe the meters have filled ..... create a situation where a bioyclist would be riding along and would be weaving in and out of pockets of traffic. The notion was if we are going to have metered parking let's have a big glob of it. Horow/ Nov/ What does it have to do with a bicycle? Thlsroproaen~ only aroasonably accurate transcription of ~elowa City council meeting of May 8,1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 Council Work Session Page 46 Brachtel/ Just that a bicyclist might move to his right as he has more space. Nov/ Brachtel/ To minimize that in and out type of thing. Horow/ You have got a strong proposal here for three adjacent to the existing meters and that will give him... Agree with Joe...meters have been 'empty .... ones that are not are constantly filled .... questioning who is there .... You got strong support for three adjacent to the existing meters here. Brachtel/ The Bookery is at 523 so I am understanding you are saying just take what is in front of 511 and add two more even though it won't be in front of- Horow/ Even though 517 said no. Pigott/ That was an issue. They don't want it. Horow/ Go for five and just make it all the way. Council/ ¥eah. Brachtel/ As I understand... you want these five spaces to go in. That will be on your next meeting ..... Thlsreprosents only a reasonably accurate transcription Of ~elowa CEycoun~l meeting ~MsyS, 1995, WS050895 May 8, 1995 Council Work Session Page 47 City Plaza Task Force Horow/ 95-62 S1 Atkins/ Yes or no? council/ Yes. Kubby/ Do you know Nick's last name? You know listing off different perspectives. There aren't users of the pad mall. Arkins/ I got chewed on by lots of people .... Horow/ I would like to suggest Jean Hood. Arkins/ Before we do that .... Do you like the idea? Council/ Yes. Atkins/ Then I need to have a list of people that you wish to serve on. Throg/ Nick King is the person Karen is referring to. Atkins/ Do you want us to staff it or do you want us to hire a faeilitator? Kubby/ I think we can staff it. Atkins/ So you like the idea, we will press ahead with the thing, do routine maintenance and that is it on the plaza and this is strictly just the city plaza and we would staff the thing. I will draft a charge for you at your next meeting and say here is what we want you do. This is an ad hoc, short term ..... 9- 11 member task force. I had nine by Historic Preservation, DR, P/R, a Rec Center staff person. I suggested Sherry. DTA, Chamber, Library, and University. That was eight. Nov/ I would take the University out .... Arkins/ some student organization. Nov/ That is different. Concentrate on doing something about the worn out wood areas. Atkins/ Give me by tomorrow night .... names And I will give you a charge and a list of names .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of May 8, 1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 48 Throg/ Suggest a couple other categories .... Seniors. So someone from the Senior Center ..... the young people, the high schoolers who hang out down there. Someone who is affiliated with UAY... Jim Swaim ..... Kubby/ Are you going to write those names down ...... Thisrepresents only areesonably ac~mtetrenscrlptlon ofthelowa C{~ council meeting of May 8,1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 49 Council SuMer Schedule 95-62 S1 Horow/ Folks, I want your attention and your calendars. Kerr/ Can I ask how many people will be at the Local Option Sales Tax Meeting? Kubby/ I may be there. Throg/ I probably won't be .... Kerr/ So we do have a quorum. Nov/ Have you heard how many of the other cities? Horow/ No, that will be a surprise. Kubby/ So the new thing on the schedule is the 31st? Horow/ Yes ...... never been able to get our CIP done in one session .... I would like us to look at two sessions. Nov/ Two in a row sounds like a good idea. Council/ (Discussed schedule). May 30 - 6:30 PM May 31 - 7:00 PM July 6 - 6:30 PM July 11- 6:30 PM July 18- 6:30 PM (1 Hour) Pending Issues: Sensitive Areas Ordinance Cable T.V. Franchise Arkins/ If all goes well, I will have that Solid waste Ordinance prepared and out to you this week so you will have time to chew on that and the same with CIP ...... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of May 8, 1995, W$050895 May 8, 1995 Council Work Session Page 50 Council Aqenda/Time 95-62 Sl 1. Horow/ I want to know who all is going to take part in the July 4 parade? One, two, three (Pigott, Horow, Kubby) ..... 2. Kubby/ (Agenda #20-License agreement for temporary use of public r.o.w.-Java House) I have an issue about the Java House Sidewalk care Permit under the old rules. I am not interested in doing anything under the old rules because we are going to be approving new rules and I would be willing to collapse the reading ..... the new rules and have Java House reapply under the new rules. Arkins/ You ~dopt the ordinance then you have the publishing before it bec¢~..~s effective .... Nov/ What real difference .... Kubby/ Design Review. Karr/ U~der the current procedure they would not have design review. Nov/ ...is that a problem? Karr/ Ever since they found out that they can do it they have been anxious to do it ..... She is out of town until Wednesday. Lehman/ Karr/ Council has to approve the resolution. Horow/ Kubby/ I don't want two sets or rules out there ..... Lehman/ If they meet all the requirements, can we tell them no? Kubby/ That is a legal question. Holecek/ That is what Applicant may have new rules. I am going to look into tomorrow ..... intended her application to be under the Karr/ No, she did not ..... Holecek/ She is out of town until Wednesday. Thisrepresents only areasonably accuratetranscription of ~elowoCl~ council meeting of MayS, 1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 51 Karr/ She knew it was under the old rules but I think the issue that we need to clarify is the time period. Under the current rules it would be May 1 through October 31. Under the revised one it would be a whole year .... She will not in town until Wednesday. Kubby/ If we can't deny it .... we should deny it .... Design Review is meeting on the 15th .... Baker/ I would like to know how long she would have to wait? Karr/ DR is meeting the 15th of this month but she is not on the agenda yet. Potentially another month .... Nov/ ...they could probably add this. Karr/ The criteria has changed. Her application would have to be amended. If she can do that within a couple of days...DR, yes, probably .... Throg/ I would disagree .... I think if the owner of Java House is complying with the existing ordinance she ought to be able to ..... I also have a feeling that particular owner is very concerned about the appearance of her store .... Karr/ ...work out language that she be given a choice .... Baker/ Set up under the provision as is and then make the application under the new provision. Karr/ What happens if it doesn't meet the approval of DR? ..... Baker/ Nov/ Reapply new year...meet DR criteria next year .... Karr/ Nov/ I think if you talk to her .... her interest to talk to DR this year .... may as well meet the criteria now .... Karr/ She might also say let me try it for three months .... Holecek/ I feel somewhat uncomfortable denying an application that at this point in time meets everything that we have got on the books ..... She has made the application. Thisrepresents only areesonably accurate trans~lption ofthelowe CIW council meeting of May 8,1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 Council Work Session Page 52 Karr/ Is there interest...desire by council to waive the readings tomorrow night .... would be done this week? Nov/ I haven't thought about that issue .... Holecek/ I suppose you could say if the applicant was willing to aocept the approval of the council as proposed ..... she could just withdraw her application .... Kubby/ I think it is easy if we just approve it .... suggest that she reapply under the new rules and she won't have to pay the full amount...difference is between the old fee and the new fee .... Pigott/ Fine. Karr/ Is there any discussion on the fee? ..... Kubby/ Vendor fee is what? Karr/ $750. Kubby/ I think it should be at least what our vendor fee in the ped mall is. Throg/ Karr/ Per season. Throg/ $5.00 per square foot... Kubb¥/ Think about the cost per square foot .... Nov/ Kubby/ Annual basis° Throg/ $500 right now .... so if we want to kind of continue things as they are now... $5.00 per square foot... Lehman/ ...they pay property taxes .... Baker/ Kubby/ Let's look at that amount for smaller space... does it cover amount .... fixed costs ..... will that cover the cost? ..... Horow/ Going with square foot per year. This ~presents only areasonably accurate t~ens~tptlen ofthelowa CI~ council meeting of May 8,1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 council Work Session Page 53 Karr/ $5.00 per square foot per year and you want a revise resolution .... Might make a difference with Tara Kubby/ 3. Kubby/ I had something else with the Melrose Avenue Neighborhood Association. They had asked for two things specifically .... 1. Make sure we make official contact with U-Heights City Council- Horow/ Where did this come from, Steve? Is this true that the feds will not do this until University Heights consents to bridge re-construction? Arkins/ That is in question. Linda is doing some research on that .... Kubby/ I am saying I would like to talk to University Heights whether or not CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 95-62 SIDE 2 Horow/ I would really like us to know what it is that is on the agenda for discussion .... Kubby/ We have a document .... As a courtesy and because this is such a big issue ..... To have real good communication with them. Horow/ I would like to ask them, though, for the document that I thought they were getting. They were some sort of assessment as well .... traffic study. Would you look into that? That was supposed coming out. Kubby/ The other thing they requested that we hold a p.h. at council level and I think it warrants it .... Or public discussion... I think it is up to us. Nov/ I think it is part of the requirement. Kubby/ ..... What they are asking for is public discussion. Horow/ I would like to ask council's consideration .... I would like to know whether you would be comfortable on having a time limit on this be three minutes and not turning over consecutive time periods for one particular spokesperson. Kubby/ They would never agree to that in the first place. Thisrepresents only areasonably accurate ~anscrlp[Ion ofthelowa City council meeting of May 8,1995, WS050895 May 8, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 54 Horow/ Kubby/ I Pigott/ that is legitimate and cohesive .... Kubby/ think five minutes and no accumulation time. ..... I am not against one person represent the group ..... Pigott/ Melrose .... There are very articulate people... Horow/ If we are doing this I am still keeping it at five minutes. Kubby/ ...five minutes however they want. Nov/ I don't agree .... slide show .... Throg/ Slides can be very persuasive .... Horow/ I don't mind anything as long as we all agree on five minutes .... non-transferable. 4. Kubby/ Larry had said at the last meeting he was looking for someone to volunteer to take over CCN or whatever .... I would like to volunteer. Baker/ Just an informal unofficial position. Horow/ Okay. Kubby/ Let staff know .... Horow/ As it starts, Karen, it would be helpful if you would report back at an informal meeting ..... Kubby/ Horow/ 5. Nov/ I made a comment about bicycle etiquette, riding on the sidewalk and passing pedestrians and discovered this week that we have a city brochure about how to be a responsible bicycle rider. If anybody has any concerns, Charlie Denney said he is going to get a few more printed up .... He is going to try to get some out to the schools ..... Cable generator expert...he is going to work out something on the character generator. This represents only a reasonably accurate trnnscrlptlon of the Iowa City council meeting of May 8, 1995. WS050895 May 8, 1995 Council Work Session Page 55 6. Horow/ Karen just passed around this dunk tank sign up sheet. I have a lot of problem with this. I think this is an insult to an elected official. If you want to do it, go right ahead but I think that takes a lot of gall to ask an elected official to sit there .... Family Fun Day. I think that is ridiculous. Throg/ Anybody else doing this. Kubby/ Pigott/ 27th of May? Council/ 7. Arkins/ $.50 to .35 Bus and Shop. We would lose $4,000. Kubby/ Arkins/ $4,000 we would lose per year. Lehman/ That doesn't account for any increase in usage ..... Nov/ Kubby/ Lehman/ Arkins/ Think about it and let me know. Adjourn: 11:00 PM Thisrepresents only a reasonably accurate ~anscrlpfion of ~elowa Cl~ council meeting of May 8,1995. WS050895