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Home My WebLink About1995-06-26 TranscriptionJune 26, 1995 . Council Work Session 6:30 PM Council: Horow, Baker, Kubby, Nov, Pigott, Throg. Absent: Lehman. Staff: Arkins, Helling, Burnside, Karr, Franklin, Miklo, Schoon, Davidson, Fosse, Schmadeke, Logsden, Moreno. Tapes: 95-74, Side 2; 95-77, all; 95-78, all; 95-79, Side Review Zoning Matters 95-74 S2 I~EM 5&. Consider setting a public hearing for July 18, 1995 on a resolution to annex approximately 115 acres, which includes the Highway 218/Highway 1 interchange and property located in the southwest quadrant of the interchange. (ANN95-0001) Miklo/ Items A. & B. are setting a p.h. for an annexation at the interchange of Highway 1 and 218. Consider setting a public hearing for July 18, 1995 on an ordinance amending the use regulations of an approximate 115 acres, which includes the Highway 218/Highway 1 interchange and property located in the southwest quadrant of the interchange from County RS, Suburban Residential, to CI-1, Intensive Commercial. (REZ95-0011) ITEM Consider setting a public hearing for July 18, 1995 on an ordinance amending the use regulations of an approximate 35,000 square foot west portion of Lot 4, Highlander First Addition, which is located on Northgate Drive from RDP, Research Development Park, to CO-i, Commercial Office. (REZ95-0008) Miklo/ Is setting a p.h on the rezoning on Northgate Corporate Park .... Horow/ What is with this 115 acres? Miklo/ The reason it is so large is it includes the r.o.w. of the interchange. The actual property we would be annexing for development only 39 acres. Horow/ The state allows you-? Miklo/ Right ..... ITEM 5 d. Consider setting a public hearing for July 18, 1995 on an ordinance amending the conditional zoning agreement for Lots 4~17, Highlander First Addition, revising the Thisrepresents only araasonably accurate transcription ofthelowa City council meeting of Juaa 26,1995. WS062695 Council Work Session Page 2 June 26, 1995 development standard pertaining to rooflines and parapet walls. (REZ95-0008) Miklo/ Setting a p.h. Again, this is associated with Item C. Northgate Corporate Park has covenants and this would amend those covenants to allow flat roofs. Consider setting a public hearing for July 18, 1995 on an ordinance vacating a 20-foot wide alley located east of Gilbert Court and immediately north of Lot 4 of Block 3, Lyon's Addition. (VAC95-0002) Miklo/ Setting a p.h. on an alley vacation off of Gilbert Court. Kubby/ What is the purpose of the vacation of the alley? What do they want to use the land for? Miklo/ They would like to add to their property .... add an addition to their house. Kubby/ Is the alley used by-? Miklo/ No, it hasn't been paved. It has only been used by the particular owners of this property. Kubby/ Assume we will go through same appraisal .... Consider setting a public hearing for July 18, 1995 on an ordinance vacating Fox Hollow Subdivision, a 31-1or, 52.21 acre subdivision located north of Herbert Hoover Highway and west of Taft Avenue. (VAC95-0003) Miklo/ This should read resolution rather than ordinance on vacation of Fox Hollow Subdivision. Consider setting a public hearing for July 18, 1995 on an ordinance amending City Code Title 14, Chapter 6, entitled "Zoning," Article S, entitled "Performance Stan- dards," Sections 10B and 10C, concerning the location of underground storage tanks. Miklo/ Setting a p.h. on the Zoning Ordinance to amend the performance standards regarding underground storage tanks. Throg/ We haven't received anything in writing on that yet. Miklo/ That will be sent to you next- This represents only e reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 26, 1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 3 Throg/ ITEM $ h. Public hearing on a resolution vacating Oakes Fourth Addition, a 5.21 acre, 11-1ot residential subdivision located at the end of Quincent Street, north of Dubuque Road. (VAC95-0001) Miklo/ A resolution on vacating Oakes Fourth Addition. This is a subdivision plat that was approved recently. It is being vacated to allow the property to be replatted in a slightly different configuration. Nov/ The state law says we have to advertise this p.h. twice exactly 14 days apart. Did we do all that already? We are suppose to advertise a vacation of a plat twice, 14 days apart. Did we do that already? Miklo/ I believe we have. I can verify that ..... Pigott/ Miklo/ I believe the area in gray is the area being vacated (refers to map) .... allow street to be located a little farther to the south. We believe that is a better subdivision design .... Pigott/ Issue of the slopes .... How much alteration is necessary....? Miklo/ In terms of the individual lots. I couldn't tell you exactly. Because the houses will be farther to the south they will not be as far back into the slope. Kubby/ In the staff report ..... I want to know what too great of impact means. Miklo/ That plat will be coming before you after this vacation. ITEM 5 i. Consideration of a resolution to adopt "IOWA CITY: BEYOND 2000 -- Iowa City's Vision for the Future" as an amendment to the Iowa City Comprehensive Plan. Miklo/ Continuation of the p.h. on the resolution for Iowa City Beyond 2000 and Karin Franklin is here. Franklin/ It is actually not a continuation of the p.h. Just your consideration of that resolution...deferred the last time... language relating to persons with disabilities. You have Thisrepresents only areason~iy accuratetranscriptlon ofthelowa City council meeting of June 26, 1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 4 received a letter from the Johnson County Coalition. There is a number of people here tonight expressing support for the Preamble language .... which is the version prior to the one that you had at your meeting on June 6. It previously said embracing persons with disabilities ..... On the 6th the version that you had was "Iowa City will be an inclusive, accessible and safe community .... while giving particular attention to persons with disabilities." At the meeting the suggestion was made that "while giving particular attention" be struck from that and persons with disabilities just be included in that list. The Coalition is also making some suggestions as are noted in this letter that speak to the specific language in the subsections of the visions statement .... All of their suggestions are consistent with the original submittals of the task forces. Kubby/ ...this is what we will be voting on? Franklin/ That is what you have unless you amend it. Kubby/ It brings up an important question. If we are going to give particular attention to persons with disabilities ..... while we wouldn't then want to live that out in each of the areas that the task forces dealt with ....... Throg/ ..... Coalition... they are suggesting that we alter the language to go back to the way it was essentially originally formulated with the elaborations they point out in the rest of the letter ..... Kubby/ Change the Preamble .... then I am agreeing that I would like to put some focus on that in our next 20 years .... Throg/ If we change the Preamble .... would no longer be the language with special attention. Nov/ They are saying they don't want the special attention ..... Kubby/ .... I am saying do both. Pigott/ The intent of the change... sort of define .... everything single thing doesn't work because we don't know that is means persons with disabilities. Our attempt in the Preamble was to define all its citizens ...... effort a good way to do that Horow/ Rather than re-listing everyone on each one of these .... we Thisrepresents only areasonably eccuratetranscrlptlon of theIowa City council meeting of June 26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 Council Work Session Page 5 felt that giving the emphasis in the Preamble would raise that sensitivity at the very beginning ..... a compromise ..... Kubby/ I am saying .... I wouldn't vote against the whole vision statement... would feel much more comfortable having it as each task force .... Nov/ But they didn't have a Preamble in front of them when they wrote those statements. Horow/ That is right. Kubby/ Does anyone want to re-think what was a compromise? I would strongly advocate that we do that. Horow/ No. Nov/ What I would like us to re-think is our sidewalk cafe ordinance based on a letter from a man who is blind and walked right into it ..... Throg/ ..... Naomi has just pointed to one particular example .... Horow/ Are there four people who wish to not only retain the Preamble as it is but also be more inclusive in the specific language within the goals? Kubby/ I would rather have people think about it... read the letter from the Coalition... deal with them tomorrow night. Horow/ Nov/ I think we need to read the letter and I also want to go back to my original copy ..... Throg/ It is terrific the Coalition wrote the letter and responded ...... We will read it and react tomorrow night. Kubby/ So lobby hard tomorrow. Consideration of an ordinance amending city Code Title 14, Chapter 5, entitled "Building and Housing," Article H, entitled "Site Plan Review," by adopting design standards for exterior stai~.~ells and exterior corridors on multi-family residential buildings. (Pass and Adopt) Miklo/ Next item is pass and adopt on an ordinance regarding city Thlsrepresents only areasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowa CI~ councilmaetlngofJune 26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 Council Work Session Page 6 review and approval of exterior stairwells and corridors. Consider a resolution adopting guidelines stairwells and exterior corridors on residential buildings. for exterior multi-family Miklo/ That is the resolution adopting the actual guidelines that would be used to evaluate those exterior stairwells and corridors. Consider an ordinance conditionally amending the use regulations of an approximate 1.63 acre lot located on the west side of Waterfront Drive, approximately 140 feet north of Stevens Drive from CC-2, Community Commercial, to CI-1, Intensive Commercial. (REZ95-0004) (Pass and adopt) Miklo/ Pass and adopt the rezoning property on Waterfront Drive from CC-2 to CI-1. ITEM 5 m. Consider a resolution approving the preliminary and final plat of Rober Subdivision, a 1.19 acre, two-lot residential subdivision located on Seventh Avenue, north of Rochester Avenue. (SUB95-0011) Miklo/ Resolution for the preliminary and final plat of Rober Subdivision. There was an issue regarding this plat. (Refers to plat map). There was a concern raised by the Traffic Engineer regarding driveway access to this subdivision ..... Nov/ Why did the applicant refuse to put the driveway together? Miklo/ There was some topographic concerns about the amount of fill that would be required in order to share the two driveways. Horow/ .... our Traffic Engineer. Miklo/ He raised the concern and generally staff agreed with him. I don't believe it is an issue that staff felt strongly enough about that they would recommend denial of the plat as recommended by P/Z. Horow/ Kubby/ I want to know how people feel about it .... I have a hard time going against the Traffic Engineer. Thisrepresents only e reasonably accurate transcription ofthelowe Cl~ council meeting of June 26, 1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 Council Work Session Page 7 Horow/ I do too. I felt his recommendation made a lot of sense ..... George Starr/ .... I was in Kansas City so I can't really comment on this one specifically. Miklo/ Similar to the position you had raised at a previous meeting. Horow/ Dick Gibson... Miklo/ He referred to the Traffic Engineer and that is why he voted against. Throg/ I would go with P/Z. Kubby/ How do you deal with the concerns from the Traffic Engineer? Throg/ I would suggest the P/Z considered the facts relevant to it and I would like to take their advice. Horow/ I would go along with that ..... Baker/ Nov/ What is the distance between the two drives as drawn on the plat? Miklo/ I believe it is probably about 15 feet ..... Nov/ Miklo/ The concern was .... traffic coming from the south ..... Nov/ Inclined to go along with Jim Brachtel. Miklo/ The applicant expressed two concerns. One, the difficulty of sharing a driveway and conflicts that can arise between neighbors when they share a driveway. The second was a considerable amount of fill be required in this vicinity (refers to plat map) ..... Nov/ Without filling .... going to have good driveway right next Miklo/ having two separute driveways .... is he site distance to what is coming in the to him. I don't believe that would be a problem. Thisrepresents only a reasonably accurate transcription of th~ Iowa City council meeting of June 26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 . . Council Work Session Horow/ We will go along. ITEM 5 n. Consider a resolution approving the preliminary plat of Walden Wood, Part 8, a 12 lot, 4.3 acre residential subdivision located west of Mormon Trek Boulevard, north of Walden Court. (SUB95-0014) Miklo/ Preliminary plat of Walden Wood, Part 8. This is a 12 lot subdivision... could be 18 dwelling units. P/R Commission and P/Z recommended that open space (refers to map) not be accepted by the city. The applicant would like the city to accept that° P/R Commission felt that this was not good neighborhood open space and it would be better to accept fees in lieu of. The plat labels that area as public or private open space and the decision is with the council in this C~Se .... Baker/ What happens if we don't take it? Miklo/ The homeowner's association for this subdivision would own it and be required to maintain it. It cannot be built upon. Horow/ I am concerned about this homeowner's association taking care of it ..... Kubby/ Is there any value for that? ..... in terms of connecting other open spaces ..... Miklo/ (Refers to map). P/R Commission looked at it and thought the trail could travel on Call Drive ..... Kubby/ What about drainage issues in terms of land to the south? Miklo/ There were several drainage issues raised by several property owners to the south. The Public Works Dept. worked fairly close... satisfied with the latest drainage plant that has been submitted .... Pigott/ Miklo/ Horow/ I do remember that visit ..... The steepness behind this person's house...there wasn't sufficient drainage area to keep it from sloughing down. Miklo/ This plat should improve that .... (Refers to plat map). There Thisrepresents only areasonsbly accurate transcription oftbelows City council meeting of June 26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 9 may be drainage issues with the existing property .... In terms of run off from this development it does meet our code and Public Works Department was happy with this particular design. Horow/ Miklo/ ...some of the drainage problems from properties to the south were internal to that subdivision and this particular plat wouldn't be able to address those concerns. Kubby/ .... sounds like kind of an unusual drainage system ...... I want us to direct HIS to pay special attention during construction to make sure everything is as the plan says because it is so specific where the fences need to be. Horow/ I agree with you ..... So that area must be somewhat unstable. Larry (Schnittjer), are you the engineer for this one? Larry Schnittjer/ We have gone through about six different design considerations for this storm sower and drainage system ..... I feel... that we have got a system designed here that should handle most everything that we have encountered so far ..... Kubby/ Is it more complicated than most? $chnittjer/ ...more though and detail ...... address it as much as we could right away. Horow/ Schnittjer/ I would like to back up to the Rober Subdivision. That existing driveway is a relatively steep grade .... We can't change the grade on the existing driveway ...... Move the driveway as close as possible to the north property line ..... Nov/ I assume there is going to be a driveway that one could turn the car around .... Schnittjer/ We don't do the design for the house .... I would think they would in that situation .... Horow/ Thanks. Kubby/ Can we go back to Walden Wood, Part 8? What was the density or how many units would have been on there with the old plat? Thisrepresents only ureasonably accurate transcription ofthelowa City council meeting of June 26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 Council Work Session Page 10 Miklo/ There was an OPDH .... for 27 unit condominium development and that was not recommended for approval by P/Z. They approved this alternative. Nov/ Miklo/ Some of them may have a duplex. There may be as many as 18 dwelling units on this site. Nov/ While you are on Walden Wood, do you want to talk about ~9 also? Miklo/ It would be easier for me to come back to- Horow/ Kubby/ The trees that are a substantial size... there is no protection within the plat for those trees? Miklo/ No, there wasn't a proposal to protect those trees. ', Kubby/ Are there plane to keep those? Miklo/ I don't believe so... removal of all of those trees. Horow/ But they have to be replaced. Kubby/ No ..... Other issue...one of the things the neighbors have consistently been concerned about is traffic ...... light at Mormon Trek and Rohret Road...we know we are going to need one ..... Seems that I would like us to look into that ..... Horow/ Is staff looking at this right now? Miklo/ .... P/Z Commission has asked Traffic Engineer to traffic in this general vicinity. look at Horow/ Council feels strongly about this. Kubby/ Relay that to Jim, that we are talking about a traffic light. Horow/ Jim would tell us whether a traffic light is what we want or whether there would be some other- Kubby/ He will tell us if it is not warranted. Thlerepresentsonlyareasonably accurate transcrlptlo. of ~elowa CI~ council meeting of June 26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 . Council Work Session Page ITEM 50. Consider a resolution approving the final plat of Pelsang Place, a 1.02 acre, three-lot residential subdivision located at the southeast corner of the intersection of Washington Street and First Avenue. (SUB95-0015) Miklo/ This is a final plat for a three lot subdivision at the corner of First Ave and Washington Street. Plat is in order ..... ITF~H 5 p. Consider a resolution approving the preliminary and final plat of Highland Heights, Part Two, a three-lot, 22.33 acre residential subdivision located south of Dingleberry Road, east of Highway 1. (SUB95-0016) Miklo/ This is a county re-subdivision...combined preliminary and final plat that would allow three lots at the intersection of Highway 1 and Dingleberry Road. The legal papers are in order .... Point out that there is an error in the resolution that we will correct. It refers to Iowa City, it is actually Johnson County subdivision. ITEM 5 q. Consider a resolution approving the final plat of Galway Hills Subdivision, Part Two, a 14.71 acre, 24-1ot residential subdivision located in the southeast quadrant of the intersection of Highway 218 and Melrose Avenue, at the end of Galway Drive. (SUB95-0017) Miklo/ The applicant and the City Attorney's Office have requested this this item be deferred to July 18. Issues with the legal papers .... Kubby/ I had requested that we get a copy of the Tree Preservation Plan. Can we get that in our next packet? Horow/ Has P/Z Commission answered Lorna Warnock's letter of June 137 Miklo/ No it hasn't been answered .... still working with the City Forester and the applicant on the Tree Preservation Plan. ITEM 5 r. Consider a resolution approving the preliminary plat of Walden Wood, Part Nine, a six lot, 3.01 acre residential subdivision located on Walden Road west of Mormon Trek Boulevard. (SUB95-0018) Miklo/ Preliminary Plat of Walden Wood, Part 9, six lot residential subdivision. (Refers to plat map). With this subdivision there Thisrepresents only areasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowa CI~ council meetingofJune 26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 Council Work Session Page 12 is dedication of considerable amount of open space that P/R Commission has recommended that we accept. That would be done at the time of the final platting. (Refers to map). Throg/ Is there a trail? Miklo/ P/R Commission will look at a trail from Walden Road to the north ..... hopefully intersect with Willow Creek ..... ITEM $ s. Consider a letter to the Johnson County Board of Supervisors recommending denial of the requested rezoning of approximately 8.55 acres from RS, Suburban Residential, to CP2, Planned Commercial, for property located within Fringe Area 1 on the south side of Highway 1 at its intersection with Landon Road. (CZ-9506) Miklo/ Recommendation to the County Board of Supervisors regarding a rezoning in the Fringe Area ..... P/Z Commission and staff had recommended that this rezoning to commercial be denied. It is inconsistent with the Fringe Area Agreement. Throg/ I would strongly agree ..... ITF~H 5 t. Consider a letter to the Johnson County Board of Supervisors recommending denial of the requested rezoning of approximately 126.6 acres from A1, Rural, to RMH, Manufactured Housing Residential, for property located south of the Iowa City Airport in Fringe Area 7. (CZ- 9514) Miklo/ This item also is a recommendation to the County Board of Supervisors regarding a proposal to rezone 126.6 acres from A1 Rural to Manufactured Housing in the county. Staff and P/Z recommended that this rezoning be denied. Throg/ What would happen if the Airport Master Plan recommended rezoning the north south runway...? I think this one is a real important one. Kubby/ But this does not require a plat ..... Miklo/ It doesn't necessarily require a plat... this development could be accomplished without a subdivision. Kubby/ Would you be willing to make a strong phone call to the Board of Supervisors? Thisrepresents only areesonably accurate ~ens~lptlon oftholowe City council meeting of June 26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 Council Work Session Page 13 Horow/ I have no problem showing up on this one ..... So let me know when this is going to show up. Throg/ I noticed the staff report... had language at the end of it saying or at a minimum we are recommending deferral. That seems reasonably wise to me ...... Miklo/ Thlsrepresontsonlyare~onably accur~e ~anscrlptlon ofthelowa C[~ council moofingofJune26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 . . Council Work Session Page 14 Near South Side Design Plans 95-74 S2 [Set up overhead projector and slide projector] Horow/ Glen LeRoy/ ...Dave Knopick. We are from Gould Evans Associates. We have been retained by the city on the Near South Side Design Plan ..... just literally finished with the Advisory Board ..... and meeting of the citizenry and rushed here. I have taken a group of slides ..... it will take you through the alternatives that we looked at today. Give you a statues on the project ..... at your disposal to answer your questions. Today we are here in Iowa City- Horow/ Ask any cellular phone call making in the audience, please go out in the lobby. This really is disruptive. Thank you very much. LeRoy/ We are on Task 3 of a six task project ...... We are here today to talk about definition and design concept ..... So we are about half way through the process right now ...... All those issues that we came and got from the public groups last time, we have been able to pull these in some categories: future development, identities, circulation, adjacencies, the regulatory environment of Iowa City, financial, livability and then some misc. categories ..... The analysis we conducted .... (Refers to slides) .... Near South Side... doesn't have any distinct pattern .... disconnected group of uses ..... way that people perceive the Near South Side ..... (Refers to slides) Issues that we found on Near South Side .... ~ington... dividing wall .... parking ramps... traffic... Gilbert Street .... area that could be pedestrianized ..... Ralston Creek .... Park ..... the University...motor pool and power plant and laundry... vital activities for the University · On several streets you have utilities .... have to deal ~i~[ In other areas there are terrific landscape treatments .... The context of d.t. Iowa City to pay attention to ...... Also we deal with reality of existing plans for Near South Side .... existing land use strategy...development strategy CH~GE TAPE TO REEL 95-77 SIDE 1 LeRoy/ What is suggested in the Near South Side Redevelopment Plan is what is suggested in the University Plan for facilities. That is what those two designations are. Throg/ Thisrepresents only ereesonebl¥ accuratetranscription oftheloweCItycouncll meeting of June 26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 Council Work Session Page 15 Dave Knopick/ The orange red areas there (refers to slides) are areas that were identified in the Near South Side Redevelopment Plan which was adopted in 1992 as potential redevelopment sites within the next 5-10 years. As far as the campus buildings there is no real time frame to that ..... LeRoy/ What we did today in the meetin~ with the advisory committee and interested citizens and partied to the Near South Side is look at a number of alternatives. We ended up showing three extended to four alternatives .... Let's understand the range of possibilities .... What we hope to achieve through this is not a selection of a single alternative but determine elements among alternatives and then maybe recomposing those into a new kind of alternative ..... Let me take you very briefly through them. I will say a few words about each alternative .... First alternative is status quo ...... takes your policy formation ...... Design Concept B says what if we wanted to take the Near South Side and give it its own identity unique and different from the CBD ..... It says well the Near South Side ought to be developed by a unique streetscape element within the area .... gateway kind of marker as you enter ..... incorporate a greenspace .... other pa£king ramps .... saying let's make the Near South Side into its own entity. The third item...Cl and C2 said .... dovetailed the CBD into the Near South Side. Two ways of doing it .... Cl .... take area around Burlington Street and extend it a ways in .... Take d.t., cross Burlington with it and basically the first block or so .... develops as part of d.t., span it across Burlington. Concept C2 says let's take d.t. and try to make the Near South Side the future expansion area for the d.t. and carry it all the way down with very strong linkages .... pedestrianization .... identify streetscape and design characteristics that are consistent with the d.t. area .... continuation of d.t. Talked about a number of design ramifications .... when you are going to do new buildings in existing areas .... height .... materials .... do's and don't's ...... (Refers to slides) ..... Also are very concerned about what happens on private property as well .... We recognize that there are different kinds of treatments (refers to slides) ...... Burlington as a boulevard ..... showed examples of those kind of treatments ..... help to unite the two areas... pedestrian refuge... has some negatives associated with it .... The handling of parking .... (Refers to slides) .... Street signs .... entrance gateways .... screening of parking .... develop parking that is very amenable .... selection of lighting fixtures .... holistic environment .... unified way of doing things. This is basically what we covered in the meeting Thisrepresents only eressonebly accurate ~enscrlption ofthelowa CI~ council meeting of June 26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 16 today. Let me tell you what we got as feedback .... Basically what the group said to us is that as a goal they kind of like this Cl alternative .... That is taking the CBD to a point across Burlington, trying to knit Burlington together into the Near South Side but not all the way down .... definitely don't discard that connection across Burlington and make the Near South Side a very strong linkage to the CBD ..... recognize the strength of enclaves and enclave character .... incremental nature the implementation would have to undergo ..... That it is a long range strategy and a long range vision but that all the incremental steps that you are going to have to make have to help fulfill this vision in the longer run. To do what we do in a fiscally responsible way ..... public sector has a role but so does the private sector and that there are parallel responsibilities ..... partnership .... A lot of positive feelings for this concept of Burlington as boulevard .... Positive feeling for open space generally .... green space .... modifying this overhead utility vision that you have... parking ramps are considered a plus in the overall strategy in addition to the street parking that is there .... prefer not to have any major vacations of streets near Burlington because of the traffic .... As you get to other areas...create a governmental enclave .... modify street network .... Turn Ralston Creek into a major asset .... look at housing districts. Overall... we like this spot of Cl plus or minus .... long range vision with an incremental strategy to achieve that vision .... Thorough consensus among all the participants .... very good attendance .... Very happy about results of today's meeting and fell like we have a good direction from the advisory committee. Horow/ Great .... What is your next step then? LeRoy/ Our next step is to take this back and begin refining this concept... pending your approval to go ahead as well on this. After those refinements we would come back and make another presentation .... fine tuning .... keep you informed .... Probably won't come back again until September .... Use the next couple of months to develop the schemes a little further. Throg/ If you intend to refine C1, I think I want to ask some questions .... LeRoy/ Throg/ Thinking about... integrate north part of Near South Side with d.t. area .... Whole Near South there is a real This represents only areasonably accumte transcription ofthelowe Ci~ council meeting of June 26,1995, W$062695 June 26, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 17 opportunity to help create an identity, a character, for the Near South Side and I didn't hear that coming through very clearly with regard to Cl. I would like to encourage you, us .... to ask our consultant to not just blend the northern part with the d.t. but to find ways to create a unique character for the remaining portions. Kubby/ LeRoy/ Let me make sure that I am understanding .... What we said is that it was kind of the vocabulary of d.t. that was come into that area right across Burlington and that we recognize that other areas have a unique kind of enclave character. Butwhat you are saying on top of that is let's also regard the Near South as a district within itself .... to have some kind of unity about itself. Is that correct? Throg/ Yes, that is what I meant. Horow/ I fail to see the difference. Baker/ Throg/ Here is the way I would translate it. If we are promoting the idea of having distinct enclaves of land use within the Near South Side, that doesn't say much of anything at all about design, character, integrity, overall sense of place. All it means is you got some government buildings near each other. So what I am trying to do is get to think more in terms of having some integrating design characteristics that create a sense of integration, a sense of character, a unique sense of character for the whole area ..... whole place .... have a unique sense of place .... LeRoy/ Consider the Near South Side like a patchwork quilt .... what is the stitching that sews this thing together so that when the whole quilt comes out it looks like the Near South Side but that each piece of the quilt has its own unique identity Horow/ ~at is the difference between that and the first option .... I fail I guess to see the creativity that you can really deal with when you got reality of utilitarian buildings .... Kubby/ Like in Phoenix they have light poles .... Horow/ Thisrepresents only areosonably accuratetranscription of He Iowa City council mee~ng of June 26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 Council Work Session Page 18 Throg/ When you referred to utilitarian buildings, my immediate thought was we shouldn't think about just the next few years. We should think about process over time .... What gets built there .... Is there some way to somehow guide that whole process so that over time this place develops a unique sense of character. LeRoy/ .... The status quo versus those other options. They felt that the status quo was a reactive posture .... not a cohesive design vision for the area .... But when you put it all together it doesn't add up to a proactive cohesive vision. You are waiting for people to come to you. They thought that any of the other alternatives was a much more proactive .... get ahead of that situation and try to make those things happen and also I think there is a reality .... to make this thing happen there is going to have to be a public investment .... Part of the strategy you are going to have to deal with the quality and character of the private environment through regulatory means, design review, through other means .... It is very different from status quo. Baker/ Throg/ Sense of a whole .... Baker/ Horow/ My question... transfer among government entities .... were there any parts of the University owned that would be more valuable were they part of the city .... At least one street that is closed off that is on University property. LeRoy/ It did not come up in the meeting... worth looking into. Horow/ Might not be realistic... LeRoy/ Throg/ .... I understand that the University currently is preparing design plans for the area immediately south of the Library which is right across the street from Burlington on northwestern part of this area .... find ways to integrate with what they are doing would be nice. The other thing is the University is going to do pretty much what is wants to do in terms of the buildings .... they might be open to shaping the design and interrelationships of those buildings but some kind of larger vision that the city has. Thisrepresents only a reasonably accurate transcription ofthelowa CI~ council meeting of June 26,1995. WS062695 I June 26, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 19 Kubby/ ... Dick Gibson... we should make sure to talk to him about helping to facilitate that discussion. LeRoy/ One of the really interesting parts of this is .... University... our goal is sensitive integration of these areas into others .... Horow/ Some crazy way, even the depot that they have .... might be able to be used... transit center ..... opposite Quick Trip .... Davidson/ (Can't hear). LeRoy/ This was a status report ..... let me say...enthusiastic about the response that we are getting from the community on this thing .... getting very very good direction .... shows the extent to which that group of people can come together and share a common vision ..... Pigott/ Tough part will be how to do it .... LeRoy/ We asked for priorities and most everything was a high priority. Now the tough decisions come. Horow/ ... Are you charged with giving briefings like this to any other groups? LeRoy/ Not at the moment we are not. Throg/ So from this point- Knopick/ As part of the contract we are leaving like the slide presentation... with the staff .... products are available to present. LeRoy/ We talked to the committee today about this not being our plan .... it is their plan and they are going to have to fell strongly enough to in front of you all support this thing... commitment. Horow/ Thank you. Throg/ One point .... From this point on you are going to elaborate on Alternative Cl and then that means fleshing out some details .... specific components ..... LeRoy/ We are going to elaborate on the design ramification elements regarding that and what that would mean in terms of Thisrepresents only areesonebly accurate trans~]ption ofthelowa Citycouncll meeting of June 26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 Council Work Session Page 20 design... what is the potential .... Pigott/ We need to go beyond the idea .... LeRoy/ Also as part of the implementation strategy there are some .... costs ..... feeling for bigger picture .... Pigott/ Going across Burlington, concrete examples of how to do ..alternatlves .... that.. LeRoy/ Going to have to have some discussions with DOT to see what is feasible ..... Kubby/ Computerized graphics LeRoy/ Intend to develop a series of sketches that really put people on the street and let you see what it is going to look like and get you into each of the enclaves .... thank you very much. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 26, 1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 21 RNC - 12 Zone Discussion 95-77 Miklo/ (Distribute 5/18/ memo). Miklo/ At your request we did a quick analysis of the RNC-12 neighborhood that included Jefferson Street area and the particular property that has caused some concern recently (refers to map). Nov/ Miklo/ The second one in. There is a map attached to the memo which illustrates this overhead. (Refers to map on overhead). Properties in green are currently lots that contain s.f. homes that generally meet the zoning requirements to allow duplex ..... It is approximately 26 lots out of 138 that are in the entire Jefferson Street RNC-12 zone. There are other factors besides zoning that would result in these either being retained as s.f. or duplex ..... Also attached the language from Site Plan Review Ordinance that we have taken out during the process .... neighborhood compatibility... also a paragraph in this memo that talks about the Conservation Overlay District that the HP Commission has proposed that is currently before the P/Z Commission ..... Kubby/ Issue of compatibility .... clapboard siding...they are totally different sizes of siding and it looks very cobbled together in my view .... in certain districts... we need that kind of compatibility review ..... It really looks bad and sets a negative example for other people redeveloping property. Horow/ Questioning whether this has anything to do with the RNC-12 zone or more to do with particular neighborhoods .... Kubby/ Wasn't one of the issues... what properties that are now s.f. could be turned into duplexed ..... Kubby/ Miklo/ One of the issues that P/Z dealt with when they came up with this particular zoning classification and then zoned this neighborhood .... number of existing duplexes in the neighborhood ..... P/Z ruled out fairly early on that s.f. zone probably wasn't appropriate for this particular neighborhood because- Kubby/ Let's just say RNC-8 duplexes wouldn't be non-conforming .... Thisrepresents only areasonebly accuratetranscription ofthelowa Citycouncil meeting ofJune26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 Council Work Session Page 22 Miklo/ Lot sizes in RS-8 or RM-12 zone for duplexes is smaller ..... It was staff's view and P/Z that the RNC-12 zone was very reasonable ..... design of those duplexes is another story .... Kubby/ This particular property that has caused so much anxiety .... if designed differently would have much lower affect than what is there .... Pigott/ Of the 26 potential duplex dwellings .... Baker/ .... unless you are going to rule out duplexes period, you are going to have them in this zone .... Question then becomes how do they fit in with the existing .... Nov/ I don't think design was the real question here .... still dealing with potential .... somebody could bring in a ten bedroom thing on one lot ..... it is a rooming house. Kubby/ So what do we do in this neighborhood when there is such diversity of housing to protect people who already live there Nov/ Baker/ Nov/ How do we define a duplex so that we say this is a duplex and that is a rooming house...? Horow/ It is almost like let the buyer beware ..... Nov/ If you know the lot on either side of you is larger enough to put in a duplex... would you then envision... a rooming house .... how would you have computed what has happened .... Kubby/ ...people have different kinds of family configurations and needs .... Nov/ I haven't a solution to this one. Horow/ Okay folks, where do you want to go with this? Throg/ .... When one says let the buyer beware ..... buyer should be aware of how the market is going to influence how a neighborhood evolves. Surely that is true to an extent .... public should be clear... in what direction do you want particular neighborhoods to be involved so the buyer has a Thisrepresents only aressonably ac~ratetranscrlptlon ofthelowa City council meeting of June 26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 23 sense of the intended direction of the neighborhood ..... Horow/ .... design and compatibility. That issue never came up. So it is that level of detail, I don't know how you even deal with that. Baker/ ...guidelines... might be appropriate .... That is not going to solve the density .... Nov/ If all of these sections that have been deleted from our Site Plan Ordinance had been in there and if somebody had come in and required a site plan review for a duplex in this area, would we have prevented density? Miklo/ No. Nov/ .... How dense it was would never have been considered. Pigott/ I do think it is an issue for people living in that area .... I do think the appearance of it .... God here comes the march of the duplexes down the street .... Throg/ Why not toss out a possibility..oamend the RNC-12 zoning ordinance to prohibit any new duplexes? Pigott/ Baker/ You have lots of sites in there that are potentially appropriate for a duplex density ..... Is that appropriate zone for a duplex and I believe it is .... Doesn't solve problem of design compatibility ..... Seems to be an inappropriate zone for restricting it for just s.f. dwellings ..... Nov/ Then we get back to an affordable housing issue .... Kubby/ In a duplex, the maximum number of people in a s.f. dwelling is family which at the most is three unrelated people .... Miklo/ In RNC-12 zone, with a s.f. unit, you can have ..... 2 roomers. With a duplex you can only have one. Kubby/ So the most unrelated people you can have in a duplex- Miklo/ Would be four in the RNC-12. Kubby/ How can there be five on each side of a duplex? This represents only e reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 26, 1995, WS062695 June 26, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 24 Miklo/ I believe this particular duplex may have only 3-4 bedrooms. If someone was building a duplex and planned to live in it as a family ..... Nov/ And there isn't anyway we can prevent people from putting in more bedrooms and bathrooms and we really don't want to do that ..... Kubby/ I feel like we are all stuck. Baker/ I don't see us changing the density requirements in the RNC- 12 zone .... Throg/ ...Conservation District proposal. It does contain a design element? Miklo/ The particular ordinance that is before P/Z is an enabling ordinance and would allow, if the council agrees .... , a neighborhood could come to HP Commission and say we would ~ike to explore becoming a conservation zone and the HP Commission would work with them to come up with a plan for that neighborhood ..... there would be a design review process .... HP Commission sees that being less burdensome on as in a Historic District .... Throg/ .... ought to be an identifying character .... point ere is there ought to be some way of maintaining an identifiable character on the north side and on the east side of town .... CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 95-77 SIDE 2 Kubby/ Franklin/ There are two parts in talking about density. One is the number of dwelling units. The other is the density of people which is this problem with the rooming houses and the occupancy whioh gets down to an issue of enforcement which then goes back to the 24 hour notice and also the ability that we have to enforce the zoning code and that is a choice you can make in terms of how much you want to do in enforcement .... The 24 hour notice is before we are going to go in and inspect a unit .... we have to tell the owner of the property that we are going to inspect in 24 hours ...... So the difficulty of that kind of enforcing that then is obvious ..... The ability in terms of time and staff to enforce that kind of issue. It either takes the neighborhood's willingness to get involved in taking pictures of the site .... being very Thisrepresents only areasonably accurate transcription ofthelowa Cl~ council meeting of June26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 Council Work Session Page 25 involved in that enforcement and registering complaints and willingness to go to court and also the ability of our inspectors to follow up on all those things. Kubby/ Franklin/ There are rights on both sides that we are talking about here ..... If the density of people is a very serious concern that you have, then the 24 hour thing is one thing that you could possibly consider and also the stepping up of enforcement ..... Miklo/ That was looked at fairly closely by staff and P/Z two or three years ago when we rezoned this to RNC-12 and for some of the reasons that you mentioned ..... the predominance of ..... existing duplexes and multi-family, I don't believe the Commission or staff would be comfortable at recommending lower than a duplex density. Kubby/ I guess because we are kind of stuck... do something to help maintain the character of this neighborhood ..... There are some people from the neighborhood here, I would ask if they have some specific suggestions that they get back to us with those and not say this is totally closed, this discussion .... I don't think we have time tonight to hear from them. Baker/ Kubby/ Baker/ Throg/ I see a strong need to do something strengthen considerably the design review component for neighborhoods .... I don't see a good compelling reason to alter the underlying density of the current zoning. Horow/ Nov/ One more question on the Site Plan Ordinance. We a duplex be required to have a site plan review? Miklo/ I don't believe so. I think it is three units of above. Nov/ How can we change the Site Plan Ordinance in some way to include those kinds of things .... ? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 26, 1995. WS052695 June 26, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 26 Miklo/ ...For a conservation overlay could be specific enough to even require design review for s.f ..... For an RNC-12 zone I suppose you could somehow amend the Site Plan Review Ordinance to specify that if there is a duplex and it is in one of these RNC-12 or RNC-20 zones then it would require site plan review. Nov/ Would you look into that possibility to see what kinds of things could be done along those lines? Horow/ Miklo/ That Conservation Overlay Zone is in the works now .... Baker/ Miklo/ Franklin/ Remember why you developed the RNC to begin with. It was to allow stabilization of density and the multi family ...stay as conforming densities. It really was not talking about design at all ...... The Conservation District concept and the old RNC .... it is soothing that is definitely evolving .... Miklo/ Baker/ Horow/ Franklin/ I think we need some kind of direction. Horow/ Franklin/ Is there an expectation that we are doing anything with this? Horow/ Right now we can't do anything with this. What I sense council wants is to look at the Site Plan Review process for this I{NC conservation concept .... conservation districts. To have some sort of site plan review .... Franklin/ ...You are going to get conservation districts as enabling legislation soon and then the next step is to have a specific district. That is a fairly long process. Amendment of a Site Plan Review Ordinance is potentially shorter .... Sensitive Areas and Affordable Housing are the two big projects we are working on right now .... We will bring the Thlsrepresente only a reasonably accurate transcription ofthe iowa City council meeting of June 26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 Council Work Session Page 27 work program back to you then sometime after the beginning of November. Nov/ .... can we Just look at the Site Plan Ordinance and add the words RNC zones will have site plan review along with x, y, and z ..... Franklin/ So not considering neighborhood compatibility? Just what is in the Site Plan Review ordinance right now? I don't think that is going to get you what you want. Miklo/ You would need some guidelines .... Baker/ Miklo/ .... In many of the conservation overlay zones there are s.f. or duplexes so there is no site plan review regardless right now. Baker/ Miklo/ Your site plan review is where we look at the site and how the building sits on a site and parking and trees, etc. Design review is when you look at the character of a building and that is what the conservation overlay zone would address and that will be before you. Kubby/ I would like us to get some information from HIS and Legal about what the definition of what a duplex is in terms of a shared wall versus a four inch board connecting two buildings that are on the same lot. Horow/ I think I have already talked to HIS about that. Kubby/ I would like to see it in writing. Nov/ It is a good question. Kubby/ Horow/ We have got to move on. Thisrepresents only areasonably accurMetronscrlption ofthelowa Cl~ council meeting of June 26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 council Work Session Page 28 Melrose Avenue - 218 to West HiGh - Update 95-77 S2 Fosse/ Brief update on the project in general is we are getting into the preliminary design on it. We do have a pre-design meeting with the neighborhood Wednesday night out at West High. Tonight what I would like to visit with you about is what we have learned about the trees on the hill and what our options are for saving the trees and what the associated costs are. My visuals aids .... (Shows area map). Terry Robinson has gone out... there are 21 in this group in here... white pines and spruce .... In the first row there are 12 trees...three of them can be removed... remaining ones have a life .... 9 trees... 15-45 years .... Option of preserving those trees... pulling the roadway to the north .... retaining wall .... (refers to map) ..... We think is a pretty good balance .... (refers to map) .... Advantages are we could preserve the pine trees ..... provides a nice setting for the walkway .... disadvantage is there is a screen between the traveled portion and the sidewalk .... safety concerns ..... Cost is biggest disadvantage... cost of the retaining wall, $210,000 to $265,000 ..... the cost of the wall does exceed the value of the trees significantly. (Refers to map-cross sections) .... Design challenge of getting it built .... putting tie backs back into the soil .... Kubby/ ...replant pines over time .... That amount of money scares Baker/ Common sense...regular road way... replace those .... Throg/ Fosse/ One other issue that I wanted to bring up is secondary access for Galway Hills in the preliminary plat that we have seen comes right through the middle of these ..... it is the best spot ..... good site distance .... (Refers to map). Horow/ If the secondary access comes out there wouldn't that even be cut down farther. Fosse/ This knob would be cut off back here (refers to map) ...... Horow/ Trees need to come out unfortunately. Kubby/ °..where would the secondary access come out? Fosse/ Two other opportunities. One is to bring it around and tie in with West High entrance... signalized ..... (refers to map). Thisrepresents only areasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowa City council meeting of June 26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 . Council Work Session The second opportunity goes all the Drive .... It is a ways off (refers to that hasn't been cost out .... property University and this (refers to map) .... Page 29 way through to Cole map) ..... One thing acquisition from the Throg/ Is there anything unique about that stand of trees? Fosse/ ...it is a very old windbreak .... Nelly Cole .... in the 75- 80 year old range ..... Kubby/ Nov/ Pine trees are not all that long lived .... Kubby/ Arkins/ .... road is straight and trees are gone, what would you do? Fosse/ We would have the sidewalk on this side of the trees .... (refers to map) ..... Atkins/ Throg/ Why not straighten that sucker out and remove some of the pines but then replant a distinctive cluster .... of trees so that you end up with a notable marker .... Fosse/ (Refers to map). Nov/ Atkins/ .... put in trees of more consequence. Nov/ Horow/ Okay, thank you, Rick. This represents only areasonably accurate ~enscrlptlon oftbelows City council meeting of June 26,1995. W$052695 · · June 26, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 30 ~arneqie Plaza Design 95-77 S2 Franklin/ You are looking at this project again because the design of it has changed. This is the building that is planned for the Old Library Parking Lot and the condition of the sale is that we would get to look at the design of the building. Dick Pattschull is here tonight as the project architect to present the building to you. This has gone through Design Review ..... There were some comments made... This will be a five story building. I will let Dick do the honors. Kubby/ Dick Pattschull/ Nov/ Just take the microphone and bend it towards you. Pattschull/ ... parking is the main consideration. One of the problems that New Pioneer has in serving the d.t, they also serve the general community that needs to get in and out of this building in a an easy convenient way as well as pedestrian traffic. So what we have done...studies have told us how many parking spaces that we need. The other aspect of the parking is we are trying to develop it such that it is invisible but still visible so that people are aware that it is there .... What you are looking at is basically three levels... parking under the building...main floor... parking... then there is a mezzanine level ..... and then the apartments are above that. What you are looking at here is the parking level...College Street down below... Gilbert Street .... (Refers to parking design) .... Throg/ How much is it like when you walk by the Burlington Street ramp? Pattschull/ It would be comparable to that... parking is going to be compressed .... does have a retaining wall... Nov/ Pattschull/ Throg/ So when the pedestrian is walking by at eye level, what does she see? Pattschull/ At eye level, you are probably going to be looking out to the tops of the cars. Thisrepresents only areasonably accuratetrsnscriptlon ofthelowa Cl~ council meeting of June 26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 . . Council Work Session Page 31 Pigott/ In the drawing it looks like there is window along Gilbert Street... is that not correct? Patschull/ What you are seeing. I do have some figures that are there .... shown a fence .... and/or some plantings ..... do feel like we want to keep this area... lots of light ..... What we are trying to do with this facade is we are trying to break it up. Brick on the lower level and stucco on this level andthen we are looking at...curved metal roof in this case and this is off of Gilbert Street ..... Trying to call your attention to the fact that this is a store .... advertise... panels or windows ..... see people shopping ..... hoping to do is bring in some color and contrast... attractive and colorful... Throg/ It is real important that the interior of the building be transparent from the east side so that it draws the pedestrian .... into the building. Makes the pedestrian want to go into the building because she sees something in there ..... Pattschull/ We really do need to create interest... we need to make it such that if we made it all windows...diminish that aspect... Pigott/ ...window...really appealing. Nov/ Where is this parking wall that you started with? Horow/ Where is the parking wall? Patschull/ (Refers to design plan) ..... Nov/ If I were standing there and looking in that window I would see people's legs. I would see the floor. I wouldn't see anything terribly interesting. Horow/ Nov/ Pigott/ If you see activity in a window ..... seeing something in a window is really important .... Kubby/ ...allows that break up of the wall ..... Pigott/ Encourage...average person could see in. Pattschull/ 90% of your traffic is going to be vehicular traffic Thisrepresents only oreasonably accuratetranscription of ~elowa City council meeting of June 26,1995. WS062655 June 26, 1995 Council Work Session Page 32 and the pedestrian traffic is actually going to come down the other street ..... Kubby/ When we approve this...approving something fairly specific .... makes me nervous that that could change ..... Nov/ If you change it you have to come back. Pattsohull/ I thought the item of concern is really the parking. Pigott/ That is one concern. Nov/ The entire design. Patschull/ Remember that we need to give the architect a little lead way .... depends on the client... We are not far enough along in his process to know whether we want to make this all windows or how we want to do this. We do know we want this particular facade that tells you this is a store. Kubby/ We have different understandings of the process. Horow/ Started out with the design of the parking. Pattschull/ Kubby/ So much of what we talk about is driven by parking .... very frustrated. Pattschull/ On the first level- Throg/ How many spaces tnderground? Pattschull/ 66... in that range ..... Throg/ Where are they going to park? Franklin/ A little background is in order here. The parking issue has been addressed by the Board of Adjustment. In this zone parking is not required and it can only be provided by the Board of Adjustment .... next issue was to deal with the design on the building and you are right in terms of the specificity. We may be premature at this point. Kubby/ I don't anybody here wants to stop or inhibit this process. When we say design review we mean specifics ..... Thisrepresents only areasonably accurate transcription ofthclows City council meetlngofJuno 26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 Council Work Session Page 33 Pattschull/ Nov/ We want to see the building materials, the whole design. Pattschull/ Let me run you through the design... details .... This building is really very complex...circulation in and out of this building is going to make this work or not work and that is really why we are in front of you again. We have re- evaluated the way this building works and how it needs to work and how it will serve the community. Horow/ If you can take us through the circulation and how about abbreviating the rest of the presentation until you have with the Committee and the owner gotten to the specifics and then come back because we could spend all night .... Pigott/ Horow/ Let's focus on the circulation. Pattschull/ coming off of Gilbert Street onto College Street, you are going to see the face of the building as you come by and you would drive in across (refers to design plan) .... coming in here ..... come into the front entrance... elevator and the stair...mezzanine up above and parking down below... down to the alley... come into the back of the site and go through the parking which is one way and make a loop through the parkingoo.exit this way .... (refers to design plan) ..... If you are familiar with the store...enter off the alley... tried to develop some walkway through the center ..... Enter your store, do your shopping, and check out at this location .... exit into this parking or down below. Kubby/ When you talk about mezzanines I think about half story ..... Pattschull/ (Refers to design plan) ..... Nov/ Are you going to have a loading zone? Kubby/ A grocery pick up lane? Horow/ No, you bring your cart down. Pattschull/ We have talked about that... most people...have been able to manage it... takes more space .... Horow/ There will be staff picking up the used carriages ~'~ls represents only a roasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 26, 1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 . . . Council Work Session Page 34 underground? Pattschull/ Yes .... On the mezzanine level .... we have actually have a deck out over this walkway...circular roof line...focus some attention into this area (refers to design plan)... introduce light...projects down into parking level down below... trying to develop that courtyard affect ..... Kubby/ So the store will be completely on one level? ..... Pattschull/ There will also be some retail space in this level right here .... office is pretty much located on the back .... some retail space .... sit down for the dell .... Kubby/ Will there be one elevator? Pattschull/ There is one elevator. Pigott/ Pattschull/ The other elevator is just for the residents. Kubby/ What is the capacity of the elevator ..... ? Pattschull/ 12 people or in that range .... I see a lot of people walking .... they would take the stair down. K%tbby/ I am assuming the Board... feels comfortable with the capacity and size of the elevator. Pattschull/ So that gives you some idea of what the circulation is and what we are trying to do with the front ..... (refers to design plan) ..... Nov/ Are you talking about a single store plus apartments?... Or is it going to be a variety of retail? Pattschull/ It is just New Pioneer ..... materials is a stucco finish .... looking at hunter green .... deep reddish brick and probably a beige type of stucco ..... Now we are getting back to this item that you are looking at right here ..... plantings or fence we don't really have any problems with ..... Horow/ Do you intend to do some sort of cardboard...model with the types of material that will be on there? CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 95-79 SIDE 1 Thlsrepr~ents only araasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowe City council meeting of June 26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 35 Throg/ I want to say that in terms of what you have presented to us tonight, I find it very appealing .... I am worried about the parking .... Transparency of the building so that it becomes very appealing and attractive to the pedestrians is extremely important... It is not a final design so we can't approve. Pattschull/ Are you looking for a final design before you approve it? Kubby/ That is what the process says. Franklin/ It sounds like the issue is primarily the windows along Gilbert Street because you have outlines the materials of stucco, brick, a metal roof and it is also a curve roof .... But we have materials assuming those are what you are going to stick with, yes? Pattschull/ Yes. Kubby/ So stucco has been finalized because in some the DR materials there is a variety of materials that the residential part could be. So you have finalized it. Pattschull/ If we were making those kinds of changes it would be appropriate for us to come back and talk about that. My feeling is in putting these projects together the cost and the ability to proceed on a reasonable schedule that we really need to have some kind of an approval to continue on because I don't really see that this design is going to change a great deal ..... Throg/ We have to have a shared understanding about what we would be approving ..... Baker/ We want to make sure the final products looks like what we think it looks like when we voted on it. Nov/ I would not approve this kind of thing ..... Kubby/ Nov/ But we would like to see a finished drawing. Pigott/ Horow/ We don't want to hold this up. Karin, what is the next step for them at this point? Thisrepresents only e reasonably accurate transcription ofthelowa City council meeting of June 26,1995. WS062595 June 26, 1995 Council Work Session Page 36 Franklin/ To get that degree of specificity and I was just asking Laura whether she thought it would need to go back to DR and she thought that it probably would. Nov/ Pattsohull/ Franklin/ It sounds like the issue is the windows on Gilbert Street. Kubby/ Franklin/ Rochelle do you want to this .... Rochelle Prunty/ .... for operational issues we may need to have some wall space there .... interior design ..... walk in cooler ..... It is important that we have some windows ..... We need that flexibility as we go through the interior design stage and at least the window that is shown will be a window. Kubby/ Horow/ Nov/ What could be the materials used if you were going to put a cooler in? Would you brick it in? Pattschull/ Stucco type finish or some kind of signage panel. Pigott/ It would be interesting to have a display area instead .... Prunty/ This part, we haven't got the interior design done .... Going to have some window there. Throg/ Are you telling us all the rest of the design will be what we see? Pattschull/ It is not the construction drawings. We need to go back. The next step we get into we spend a great deal of time working out the details of how this building goes together .... Throg/ .... I just want to know what we are looking at here is .... what you will be putting into your final construction drawings ..... Thisrepresents only areasonsbly accurate transcription ofthslowa City council meeting of June 26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 37 Franklin/ You had a materials board that was presented by the architect... good sense of what the materials are .... issue about Gilbert Street .... important point. What you are getting now is a guarantee of one window, right? Kubb¥/ I would feel most comfortable deferring this making sure we have the understanding we value the effort of breaking up the massiveness of the space on Gilbert Street. We would like to see as much window as possible ...... Pigott/ Prunty/ The only problem would come if we have to get a DR meeting again. Jim Glasgow/ As far as moving forward, if you are talking about full construction drawings, you are talking about anywhere from $50,000 to $100,000. So we are not willing to spend that money and come back and have it not- . .... (Refers to design drawing). Throg/ ...I think it is extremely important to break up the exterior of the eastern side so that we don't end up with the equivalent of a blank wall. I think it is very important to have some transparency looking into the building ...... I would like to urge us to approve the design as a whole and instruct them ..... to make that wall as transparent as possible. Kubby/ What if it ends up with just one small window because of the design needs inside? Nov/ And I also want to see the materials ..... Jim Glasgow/ I will specify at this point that this will be brick from here and stucco from here and it will have a metal roof and if we change that, yeah, we would come back. I don't have a problem specifying that. As far as the colors that would be up to Rochelle and myself and Dick. Kubby/ Glasgow/ What Rochelle has talked about is what is out in Coralville New Pioneer and we have okay's that .... Nov/ Glasgow/ Some of that will also be dependent on price .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 26, 1995, WS062695 June 26, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 38 Baker/ My concern is that what comes before us is what goes up .... We have a design that everyone is comfortable with ..... Throg/ Which does not mean asking them to prepare final construction. Nov/ Franklin/ ...if the issue is basically a change in this window panel... it will not need to go back to DR ..... Glasgow/ This is probably what we are going to end up with .... Kubby/ Our process here is we are approving a design and we expect what we approve is what will be... we need some concrete or stucco or brick answers. We need to know what we are voting On. Baker/ Pattschull/ I don't have a problem with that. Pigott/ So you don't have a problem with us deferring this. Is that what I hear? Nov/ I would like to defer it to the next meeting and see something specifically in my hand. Pattschull/ I would like to see if you can vote on the parking .... Franklin/ Parking is settled. Pigott/ Go for the parking, right. Horow/ Okay, thanks very much. This represents only a reasonably eccurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 26, 1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 39 Silurian Aquifer Study 95-78 Sl Jeff Davidson/ This is an issue...discussions at JCCOG. The United States Geological Survey has proposed this study of the Silurian Aquifer. It has become a JCCOG issue... does involve several political entities in Johnson County .... The study which has been proposed by the Geological Survey has to do with simply treating this resource... as something we need to manage... There are some trends... need to be doing a little bit better management of the Silurian Aquifer .... I do have Bob Buchmiller from the Geological Survey and well as Ed Moreno and Chuck Schmadeke from Public Works ..... On second page of then handout that you got from me it does show proposed funding set up that we have discussed at JCCOG ..... You also have an alternative funding proposal that Ed Moreno developed which has to do with the use of the aquifer .... Kubby/ Did that include out potential use of the new Silurian Wells or current use? Ed Moreno/ It is a snap shot of calendar year 1994 is what those usage figures are. Davidson/ We are looking at a three year funding commitment .... 28E agreement at JCCOG .... I have discussed this with the University .... nominal contribution ..... Kubby/ I have four questions ..... What will this study do for Iowa City more than the current study that we are doing? Moreno/ I can give you my impressions of a model and what it can do for us ..... It is a planning tool .... for projecting into the future ..... Currently the Silurian is not considered a large piece of our raw source .... Overall plan is going to use the Alluvial, the Iowa River and the Jordan .... We are using it out of the Burgs Dormitories .... It could be a very important source for us ..... We don't know that much .... Kubby/ We are doing a study... to tell us how we are affecting people .... Moreno/ What we are going to be having is a mini-model .... What this model will do is expand into the entire county area .... Silurian could be an important resource for us ..... get a model so we can look and see how it might fit into our future. Horow/ The USGS study would assure us .... Thisrepresents only areasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowa City council meeting of Juos 26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 Council Work Session Page 40 Moreno/ I think it would supplement the larger area .... Pigott/ Moreno/ That is correct, there is some overlap. Davidson/ Kubby/ Bob Buchmiller/ Right now there is quite a bit of data from the state DNR from wells that have been drilled throughout Johnson County ..... There shouldn't be much supplemental information that is needed to put this model together .... There is information on the geology. That is basically- There are different layers within the Silurian some of which produce better than others .... Throg/ I want to know how the models are going to be used in practice. Buchmiller/ If I could I would like to give you a brief presentation on what a ground water model can do .... Throg/ I want to have a sense of how our Water Division might end up using the model and how we as a council might end up using the model. Buchmiller/ .... This illustration up here is out of a report we did for the Jordan Aquifer a few years back ..... covered the entire state of Iowa. (Refers to map). We take a study area of a certain size and divide it up ..... The way the model works is it allows you simulate flow into and out of the cells through any of the six sides of the cell ..... In looking at the Jordan Aquifer (refers to map) ..... Once we have the model calibrated .... similar water levels with time .... Cell 30-56 is the cell closest to Iowa City...results...solid line indicates the water level in the well ..... If you take those pumpage rates and assume approximately a 10% increase per decade and apply them to the model you see that the water levels drop ..... important information for water planners. Other information that can come out of this model (refers to map) ..... There is water fluxes across those boundaries .... quantitative sense of what water is moving .... (Refers to map) ..... relative contribution to the modeled area from the different sources .... Thisrepresents only areasonably accur~etmnscrlptlon ofthelowa CiW council meeting ofJune 26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 Council Work Session Page 41 Kubby/ Why wouldn't you want to do this for our study? ..... Why are we going to collect data for just three years and not do this long term collection? Buchmiller/ The model that we have proposed we will be able to work with the various communities to come up-have them provide their best guess scenarios... put that in a model and we will simulate what that will look like. (refers to map). Kubby/ Buchmiller/ For large water users ..... (Refers to map) Silurian Aquifer in Johnson County .... exchange .... River, Devonian or glacial deposits .... Based on the work we are already doing for the City of Iowa City .... this is a rough estimate of what the water levels in your study area right now look like .... (Refers to map) .... What we would be able to do with the calibrated model is put in other locations .... at a certain pumpage rate and see how these water levels respond to that type of pumping scenario .... Moreno/ I haven't seen this before. It is interesting those cones there. How the city would use this would be to look at well locations, look at potential interferences, eventually look at water quality impacts and the influences that Bob showed with the River, Devonian and the Alluvian. We would look at also again the potential for the future of this aquifer and how we might manage it as far as pumping schemes ...... That is our intention for the Silurian ..... Pigott/ ...the larger study- Moreno/ Would look at a larger area. Pigott/ Kubby/ I am hearing additional wells which is starting to concern me. Horow/ It doesn't concern me for the future .... We need a data base in order to do this. This bigger study is what you get. It is continually updated through monitoring ..... Baker/ Without this study .... is that like pumping in the dark..without knowing the consequences for source? Moreno/ It would be more difficult .... I was surprised on how little This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 26, 1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 42 was known outside a local perspective .... What this model will assist us with is kind of viewing this resource...a regional resource and allow us to look at it from a larger perspective that would be helpful for all of us... Baker/ Nov/ Moreno/ Or they could impact on us. Kubby/ Ask a question in terms of data collection .... I want to hear some disoussion about the advantages or disadvantages of just doing data collection...Isn't there a way to do some hydraulic interpretation from the data without the model? Moreno/ It is like a snapshot... model will allow you a dynamic way of looking at the thing ...... You have got to collect information .... you can manipulate it dynamically .... You can look at the trends ..... You can kind of put together the information in a dynamic way to assist in evaluating and making decisions. Horow/ Kubby/ I am asking if there is a more manual way .... Can it be done by hand those few times we use it. Is it worth spending the money on the modeling .... ? Buchmiller/ Basically every time a well is drilled for large withdrawals, the driller or the consultant doing that work will test that well... from that they get a specific capacity or the amount of water per foot of draw down that that well will produce ..... This is a fractured bedrock system so it is not uniform flow .... Every time a well is drilled and water is taken out it is a cumulative affect. What is not known is what is the affect of single large withdrawals at various points .... What we are interested in doing is being able to proactively tell what is happening .... In talking with the Johnson County folks (refers to map) entire eastern side of reservoir is primed and ready to go for development .... We don't know whether there are cones right now around North Liberty or Solon or some of these other communities mentioned in here. (Refers to map) ..... CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 95-78 SIDE 2 Thlsrepresentsonlyareason~¥accuratetranscrlptlon ofthelowa Citycouncil meetlngofJune26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 43 Nov/ The regional interpretation is what we are really looking for here. Kubby/ What I am still questioning is why that can't be done without a model...? I am concerned about financial stuff .... Nov/ It is true we may get into it very seldom .... Kubby/ Is it worth $100,000 to the community? ..... Nov/ At the rate that Johnson County is growing we really need a county wide model. Throg/ Who will be doing the modeling...? Who runs it in response to who's request? Buchmiller/ We can provide the model to anyone. It will be public information because the federal government will be cost sharing ...... The software is available... free .... Once it is being used by essentially non-licensed hydrologist, we will not stand behind that model .... Kubby/ If we want to say... Buchmiller/ We have built into the process a few months of time towards the end... to sit down with all the participating agencies and say okay, give us some planning information, what would you like to have us try to do with this, give us some indications on locations and amounts of pumpage. We will crank the model and see what it produces ..... Ten years down the road if these scenarios turn out not to be true, some portions of this study may have to be revisited...polished up a little bit. Throg/ Will the model be able to calculate and predict the effect of 100's of new small wells? Buchmiller/ Right now we don't see a lot of individual homeowner wells going in that would make a major impact on the aquifer. It is the community wells .... high pumpage rates are what we are trying to simulate right now ..... subdivisions going in with public water supply well. Nov/ Well for mobile home park .... Horow/ We have got to move on on this folks. Thisrepresents only areesonebly accurmetraescrlptlon ofthelowa CIw council meeting of June 26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 44 Baker/ .... How we use it, what is the cost benefit...? What are the consequences of having that knowledge those few times as far as financial benefits in planning decisions by this city in the future? How does it pay for itself? .... Where does this become a financial factor in our planning? Buchmiller/ It can be a financial factor in the quality of water that is available and three expensive treatment .... financial benefit with relationship to interference... testify a claim... To justify a request to the DNR as to expanding into this resource .... The Silurian in the overall plan is a relatively small piece at this time but it is a quality piece. It could be more .... comparing the treatment of river water with the treatment of Silurian water... is a difference. Nov/ Ed, what does it cost to drill one well in the Silurian Aquifer? Moreno/ The Silurian Well is about $100,000. Nov/ ..... Moreno/ ...it would assist us in where we are going to go and it may preclude it. It is a possibility .... there is still going to be perceptions about things .... that may need to be validated further. Throg/ ...could end up with two competing calculations ..... Moreno/ You could see the consultant taking a model... interpreting it a certain way. Atkins/ When I was talking to the staff about it, after time I was able to see that operationally I think we would run a better water plant .... this information will be helpful to Ed. But then I thought about this body of knowledge .... practically speaking the county and other communities have greater gain by this information ..... County does not have a water plan ..... I was trying to think about more from land use decisions might be .... operationally we could use this information... other parties stand to gain far more than we do. Baker/ Financial sharing- Atkins/ Without us there is no study. I don't think there is any doubt about that ...... Biggest community user in the unincorporated area would be River Hts. Will another River Thisrepresents only areasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowa City council meeting of June 26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 · Council Work Session Page 45 Hts. be constructed at some time in the near term .... other folks are going to have to tell me that .... Baker/ Atkins/ I happen disproportionate we. to believe we are paying somewhat a share of it. Others that gain far more than Horow/ Is that gain in the short term? ..... Throg/ If the issue for the county is how to deal with new development... and they are looking at subdivision applications .... small scale draw downs... model would not be very good at looking at the affect of accumulative impact- Kubby/ Arkins/ .... I am just saying I think there are others that have far better gain ..... Horow/ We need to come to closure to this. Ed has given us an alternative proposal that should certainly be considered as well .... Kubby/ I think if we are going to go back to entities of JCCOG to say we want to participate...I think we can't use 1994 usage rates... We need to somehow project what our 1997 usage rates would be. Throg/ Others should do the same. Kubby/ Arkins/ The whole design of this water plant will give you a whole slew of options and those options we defer to Ed to make those kinds of decisions .... We wanted to have a whole series of fall back positions .... Kubby/ I want to make sure that our usages for us are as fair as possible .... Nov/ Come up with a compromise with usage and population. Davidson/...essentially...deciding tonight whether or not Iowa City wants to participate in this study which then on August 9, the five representatives from the council here that attend that This represents only a reasonably eccurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 28, 1995. W$062695 June 26, 1995 Council Work Session Page 46 meeting will sit down with the other 12 individuals and sort of hash out some of the details .... Horow/ I think a little bit of lobbying has to take place .... Davidson/ Horow/ Are there four of us? I am willing to say this is important .... Throg/ I think I want to support it also with a small caveat... I would like to encourage us to make sure...don't end up in situation where we possess this model... hence, therefore we be able to tell everybody what the situation is .... Arkins/ ...have public disclosure obligations... Nov/ I think we have to do this .... Pigott/ I think there are some benefits and questions... like to see us work from the lower figure .... Rubby/ Baker/ Horow/ You are putting the boundary on our appearance on August 9 as to the cost sharing among everyone. Baker/ (Can't hear). Nov/ Can we compromise somewhere between these things? Davidson/ At this point you all are the only ones that have Ed's alternative in the way of funding .... Horow/ I think they should see this. Davidson/ Do you want me to send it out? Arkins/ Yes .... Baker/ Kubby/ Horow/ .... Can this study go ahead without Tiffin? Thisrepresents only aroasonably accuratetranscxlptlon ofthalowa City council meeting of June 26, 1995. W$062695 June 26, 1995 . . Council Work Session Page 47 Buchmiller/ We have to have a certain size study in order to get the boundaries of the model away from the center of the pumpage right now .... Baker/ Nov/ Does Tiffin have a central water system using Silurian Wells? Arkins/ They do. Nov/ I would think they have to seriously consider this. Horow/ They don't have to do anything. Nov/ I am suggesting get Tiffin involved through ECCOG .... Kubby/ Invite them to our August 9 meeting. Horow/ When you send the alternative proposal for funding- Pigott/ ...What is the process? Nov/ It is going to be an interesting process .... I heard some people say this is too expensive .... Kubb¥/ I think the county is going to laugh. Pigott/ .... then what? Nov/ Kubby/ Throg/ If the other governments know the study will be funded whether they contribute or not, they will not contribute. Horow/ If we cannot get most of them, the study is not a go? Pigott/ Or we can come back here and talk about it .... Horow/ Iowa City is definitely in. We would like them to consider both proposals .... Thisrepresents only a reasonably ~ccurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 26, 1995. WS06269§ June 26, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 48 East Side Bus Route Evaluation 95-78 S2 Atkins/ We did a six month evaluation. I sent you a copy of that with the memo. The biggest issue for us right now is 1-Do you wish to continue the route, if so, when do you want to do that...? Kubby/ Can we drive it at the school year just at those peak times? Horow/ .... really promote it. Logsden/ The school district does offer bus service in the Lakeside neighborhood for junior high kids .... already have contacts signed for the year. We can run the routes...third page on the memo you got .... has the averages for the routes... We could run those three trips ..... Run it during the school year .... An hour and fifty minutes in the morning session and two hours and twenty minutes in the afternoon. Kubby/ Logsden/ Horow/ ...I don't have any problem with supporting this .... Let's keep going. Nov/ Tell me what is going on with the school bus? Logsden/ I talked to Iowa City Coach... Bob Smith ...Grant Wood Neighborhood, the junior high kids can ride because of Highway 6 and crossing. High School kids cannot ride. It is $147 for the year ..... Horow/ No self respecting junior high kid is going to ride a school bus. Nov/ They have to ride the school bus .... He said junior high kids do not pay. Only the high school kids. Logsden/ Junior high do pay, the high school kids do not have the option. They cannot ride. The $147 a year is for junior high. Kubby/ Horow/ Just peak hours- Nov/ I would like us to consider one loop in this direction in the morning and one loop in that direction in the afternoon during Thisrepresents only areasonably accuratetrane~lptlon ofthelowa City council meeting of June 26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 Council Work Session Page 49 the school year. The 7:41 is only one with a decent occupancy. Kubby/ Can't just do one in the morning ..... Nov/ Logsden/ I can see a slight problem from a labor standpoint of getting someone in to drive that for one route ..... Horow/ Okay, we got it. Go with it. Logsden/ I would like to bring one thing up...entail another position .... part time position. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 26, 1995. W$062695 ~' June 26, 1995 Council Work Session Page 50 Summer $~edule 95-78 S2 Horow/ We need to get a lot done this summer. Throg/ Iwill miss the next meeting, July 6. Atkins/We have on your Consent Calendar we have hearings for July 11 in form of special council work sessions .... Tuesday, July 11 .... Hearing that evening at 6:30... then go to a work session ..... Do need that special meeting. Karr/ Ws¢ould do creative scheduling...don't want to break up your work session with a formal and return into it .... start with fomal and continue work session... or start late afternoon wi~ a work session and conclude it with a formal. Horow/ Asking Bruno... start 3: 30 ..... Nov/ Kubby/ Horow/ Cancel the 6th- Atkine/ Let's go with the 11th .... Horow/ Cancel the 6th- Atkins/ llth is a go. P.h. at 6:30 and work session to follow. Horow/ Yes. Following week, 17th & 18th are back on schedule .... Karr/ Y~ also had on the 18th starting at 6:30. Horow/ We then go to the 31st & let .... Nov/ I may not. Kubby/ Throg/ I will be gone another week later in the summer .... Horow/ The next one 14th and 15th ...... Larry and Naomi are gone on the31st. 28th and 29th...okay .... September- Kubby/ I may not be here on 15th September. This represents only n reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 26, 1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 . . Council Work Session Page 51 Horow/ Naomi, will you be here on 12 September because I may not be ..... Okay ..... Midwest U.S. Japan meeting... banquet ..... Horow/ 25th and 26th ...... 9th of August is JCCOG ..... That is it .... Bruno, Karen, Naomi and me for 4th July ..... 9:30 This represents only a reasonably eccurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 26, 1995. W$062695 June 26, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 52 Council Aqenda/Time 95-78 S2 1. Nov/ Recycling information we found out we made some money on newspaper this year. Can we find out what our net was .... at end of year in terms of recycled items? Arkins/ Okay, I will put a report together. Nov/ Letter from a blind man who had troubles with sidewalk cafes. It wasn't even on our Consent Calendar, does somebody know why? Karr/ It is e-mail and your policy is to put it in your packet. Nov/ I would like us to consider how we can accommodate somebody with a cane in terms of sidewalk cafes. Can we ask Public Works or Police or somebody to give us ideas on it? Kubby/ I think you need to ask people with sight impairments. Nov/ Refer it to the Council on Disabilities, Dale- 3. Nov/ Any news about the cable franchise? Helling/ We are in the process of stopping right now. I would hope to have some information to you certainly before your meeting on the 11th about the status of where we are. We are in processing of stopping the pussy footing around ..... Let me put together in some fashion and give it to you .... Kubby/ I am getting really impatient. Helling/ ...In their interest to try to put off agreements until after they see what the federal legislation is going to be .... Kubby/ Closure about concerns about sidewalk cafes... Association of the Blind... direct Dale to contact them as well as the Council on Disability Rights and Education. Nov/ Local people are more likely to be innovative Kubby/ Talking about local people... 4. Nov/ Someone called me about grass clippings on the street .... Like snow removal .... if something similar is feasible .... I promise to say I would at least ask the question .... talked to Chuck Schmadeke... he is still thinking .... Thisrepresents only areasonably accurate transcription of ~elowa CIw council meeting of June 26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 Council Work Session Page 53 5. Throg/ I wanted to let you know that I have written an editorial that I have sent to Press Citizen and it concerns the water and sewer systems ..... Nov/ 6. Kubby/ (Agenda #3(11)g.(3)- Letter from Robert Dostal regarding refuse collection fees) .... asking for a written response about this. 7. Kubby/ Contacted by Linda Eaton ..... very private woman... gift of MIA Flag ask that it be flown on 4th of July... and all the time at City Park... Horow/ ...local military affairs people would like to consider her proposal and I am unable to let her know .... their recommendation I would go along with .... Kubby/... We didn't do that for your flag .... Here is her address and if you would like to try to contact her. 8. Kubby/ You had mentioned, Steve,.. discussion about SEATS llth..o ask for some kind of closure on that. Atkins/ on Kubby/ I wanted to clarify what some of the issues are. One is issue of overpayment ..... 2-dispatching. 3-Information, monitoring. 4- Who pays for service to Chatham Oaks .... Those seem to be the outstanding types of issues. Are there others? Atkins/ Prepared by 11th to answer .... call me .... Horow/ Continuation of the level of service. Atkins/ 9. Kubby/ When we are re-doing the central hub this summer ..... One of the issues is a restroom for the drivers .... 10.Kubby/ Bus thing. A while back ..... parking ticket and doing advertising on the parking ticket...Strange that we didn't talk about that... talked about it years ago and decided not to do it at that time ..... Atkins/ It is toned down dramatically. Thisrepresents only a reasonably accuratetranscription ofthslowa CI~ council meeting of June 26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 54 Kubby/ My question is just the process .... policy issue .... CH~GE TAPE TO REEL 95-79 SIDE 1 Kubby/ Well if no one else had a problem with this. Nov/ I thought that we okay'd it couple of years ago and then we just didn't get any people who wanted to do it. Arkins/ We did okay it and we didn't get certainly bring you back a report information. 11. Kubby/ Memo about the Science Center. Atkins/ (Can't hear). 12. Horow/ The whole business about the Arkins/ (Can't hear). any interest .... I can on it...more detailed special census. (All talking at once). Thisrepresents only areasonably occuratetranscriptlon ofthelowa City council meafing of June 26,1995. WS062695 June 26, 1995 Council Work Session Page 55 Appointments 9§-79 Sl Board of Adjustment - Readvertise No Applications Human Rights commission - Diane Martin Adjourn: 10:40 PM This ropressnts only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 26, 1995. W$062695