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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1995-07-17 TranscriptionJuly 17, 1995 Council Work Session 6:30 PM Council: Horow, Kubby, Lehman, Nov, Pigott, Throg. Absent: Baker. Staff: Atkins, Helling, Ogren, Karr, Miklo, Franklin, Davidson~ Boothroy, Denney. Tapes: 95-85, All; 85-86, Side 1. Review Zoninq Matters 95-85 S1 ITEM NO. 5a. Consider setting a public hearing for August 1, 1995 on a resolution to annex an approximately 250 acre property located north of 1-80 and west of N. Dubuque Street. (~NN94-0009) Miklo/ Your first item is setting a p.h. on the annexation of 250 acres located north of 1-80 and west of North Dubuque Street. This is the water plant site. Lehman/ Why don't we just call it the water plant site? ITEM NO. 5b. Consider setting a public hearing on an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance by amending the use regulations of an approximately 250 acre property located north of 1-80 and west of N. Dubuque Street from County A1, Rural; RS, Suburban; and R3A, Suburban Residential; to P, Public. (REZ94-0018) Miklo/ Setting a p.h. on the rezoning of the property from a series of county zoning designations to P within the city. The agenda should have said setting that p.h. for August 1. Throg/ Would activities like the Science Center fit under P? Miklo/ If it is associated with a government entity it would .... If the city grants approval of it. The P designation is for anything that a government entity owns and it is exempt basically from zoning so almost anything goes. Horow/ If we own the property and it was a private concern on the public property, would it still be considered a public property? Miklo/ As long we owned it it would be permitted. Lehman/ Miklo/ ...anything is permitted in the P zone. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 17, 1995. WS071795 July 17, 1995 Council Work Session Page 2 Horow/ Item b. is August 17 Miklo/ Right. ITEM NO. 5c. Consider setting a public hearing for August 1, 1995, on an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance by amending the use regulations of an approximate 7.8 acres located east of Old Dubuque Road and north of Dodge Street from RS-5, Low Density Single-Family Residential, to OPDH-8, Planned Development Housing Overlay, and RS-8, Medium Density Single-Family. (REZ95-0010) Miklo/ Setting a p.h. for rezoning approximately 7.8 acres adjacent to Old Dubuque Road and North Dodge Street from RS-5 to OPDH. This is the project that Bob Burns and Greater Iowa City Housing Fellowship have proposed. You have been hearing a lot about this ..... We do have copies of the staff report and corresponding material to give you some background. Horow/ It will be almost impossible to get P/Z Conunission and council together by August 1 unless you all have some idea of a calendar that Marian and I don't have. Do you-Was there a reason why you put this for August 1 in terms of expediency on their part? Miklo/ That is a normal course of a rezoning in this situation. Typically if P/Z Commission recommends to deny, it is not placed on your agenda unless the applicant requests so. In this case they have requested so ..... Horow/ In other words we still have time after August 1 to have time? Miklo/ Right. Lehman/ I would rather have a meeting with the Co~ission after the p.h. Horow/ All right. Kubby/ I want to review the process with OPDH ...... another process is what the exact OPDH would entail. Miklo/ With the OPDH rezoning there is a development plan that specifies the placement of the buildings, type of buildings, parking, design, etc. The provision allows waivers of some of Thlsrepresents only areasonably accutec ~anscriptlon efthelowa City council meeting of July 17,1995. WS071795 July 17, 1995 Council Work Session Page 3 the underlying zoning requirements ...... building, with an OPDH you can ..... multi-family Horow/ Under council time tonight I would like to discuss the timing of August meetings ..... Franklin/ Your consultation with P/Z occurs if it appears that the council is going to against the P/Z's recommendation and we don't know any of that yet. So we will have the hearing on August 1 .... you'll want to continue the p.h. At that point if you give some indication what your sentiments are ..... schedule it ..... Some time between the 1st and 15th .... That commission's schedule follows the same as yours in August ..... Horow/ Nov/ It is not impossible that we come before their session on the loth? Kubby/ I want more time than 24 hours between where we are voting on the decision ..... and when we talk with P/Z ..... Horow/ .... Where does this stand in terms of protest? Miklo/ At this point I don't believe we have received any official protest. The protest can be submitted up to the close of the p.h. Horow/ Kubby/ I am assuming the P/Z's recommendation was that if it would pass that there be a tree protection plan and that it adhere to elements in the Sensitive Areas Ordinance. Horow/ Lehman/ I think that is significant. ITEM NO. 5d. Consider setting a public hearing for August 1, 1995 on an Ordinance amending Title 14, Chapter 4, "Land Control and Development," Article C, "Historic Preservation Regulations," and Chapter 6, "Zoning," Article J, "Overlay Zones" to allow the City to designate historic landmarks and conservation districts. Miklo/ P.h. on two amendments to the HP Code and also the Zoning Thisrepresents only areasonably accuratetranscription of ~elowa City council meetingofJuly 17,1995. WS071795 July 17, 1995 Council Work Session Page 4 Ordinance. One would allow the HP Commission and council to designate historic landmarks. The second amendment would allow the designation of conservation overlay districts ..... ITEM NO. 5e. Public hearing on a resolution to annex approxi- mately 103.86 acres, which includes the Highway 218/Highway 1 interchange and property located in the southwest quadrant of the interchange. (ANN95- 0001) Miklo/ The p.h. on annexation of the Winebrenner Ford site. This annexation also includes the interchange and portion of the Hwy 218/Mighway 1 r.o.w. Both P/ Z Commission and staff recommended approval of this item. ITEM NO. $f. Public hearing on an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance by amending the use regulations of an approximate 103.86 acres, which includes the Highway 218/Highway 1 interchange and property located in the southwest quadrant of the inter- change from County RS, Suburban Residential, to CI- 1, Intensive Commercial. (REZ95-0011) Miklo/ Rezoning the property from the county designation to CI- Nov/ This is property owner by Kirkwood Community College? Miklo/ Right and Winebrenner Ford is purchasing the property from Kirkwood. Nov/ Are they paying any property tax on that? Miklo/ Kirkwood is exempt but Winebrenner Ford would...pay property tax. Nov/ Miklo/ I believe there was a possibility of Kirkwood locating a campus at this location. Horow/ Do they have land anywhere else that we know of? Miklo/ I am not aware of where they might have other land. Throg/ What does the Comp Plan say about that area? Thisrepresents only areasonably accurate ~anscrlptlon ofthalowa Cltycouncll meeting of July 17,1995. W$071795 July 17, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 5 Miklo/ The Comp Plan indicates this area is appropriate for industrial or commercial development ..... Kubby/ Seems like there are some big issues here for me. 1- .... getting FAA okay about height and .... lighting ..... How do you get that much lighting that doesn't interfere with airport operations? Miklo/ There are other dealerships in the area that received FAA approval ..... Kubby/ Other thing I am concerned about is sewage treatment and water supply ..... language in here is pretty vague ..... Cars are greasy and oily, even new cars at some point .... How do you prevent that contamination of the septic system? Miklo/ The County Health Department will have to approval the wastewater treatment for this particular property. Kubby/ So will there be something on the permit that stipulates that it has to have some kind of a system that either traps this oil and grease or whatever? ...... We don't do septic tanks ..... We don't approve or disapprove them specifically. Miklo/ I can check with the Heath Department ...... Kubby/ ...... some discussion at P/Z level about limiting what was able to go through the septic systems ...... Nov/ In the letter from Winebrenner that they are looking at the possibility of using a community mound system ........ Kubby/ ..... Miklo/ Initially they applied to the county for a rezoning and that letter references that initial application. Kubby/ ...... annexed but limited by how fast you can develop .... Miklo/ Public Works Department has been following this ..... we won't be able to sewer this for quite some time .... City Engineers Office has not raised those sorts of concerns. Kubby/ What is the time frame for sewer and water out in that area? Miklo/ Water we can provide to them upon annexation. Sewer is sometime in the distance .... ten years to twenty years. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 17, 1995. W8071795 July 17, 1995 Council Work Session Page 6 Throg/ Can you help me understand the water part of it? .... Miklo/ The sewage system will require a major trunk line... water line is available .... (refers to map). Throg/ Who will pay for the extension of the water line? Miklo/ That will be a tap on fee. Not necessarily a tap on fee but there is a water main extension fee that is charged for all developments, $354 an acre ...... Nov/ So it is 39 acres times $354? Miklo/ Right. Kubby/ Is that the full cost of putting in a line or is there some sharing? Miklo/ I believe that that formula takes into account extension of the line for development such as this. Kubby/ What about Naples Avenue? ... Miklo/ For previous development in the county there was a requirement that Naples Avenue be improved and that has been delayed for a number of reasons .... We understand from the county that that should be done this summer .... The street is actually an easement ..... We are working with the County Engineer on a maintenance agreement that would specify our responsibility to maintain the street .... Throg/ At some point .... I need to say... I don't share the vision associated with this particular development ...... I will, at some point in this process, have to elaborate on that. Miklo/ One of the staff's recommendation... this probably would have happened in the county even if we would have objected to the zoning .... this way it will have city services and also generate tax revenue. Throg/ ... the Comp Plan has shortcomings in my judgement because it is based primarily on two dimensional land use ...... I think we need to refine our Comp Plan for developing parts of the city ...... Horow/ Okay, item f. This represents only areasonebly accurate transcription ofthe[owe Citycouncil meeting of July 17,1995. WS071795 July 17, 1995 Council Work Session Page 7 Miklo/ Item f. would be the actual rezoning of this parcel to CI-1 if it is annexed. ITEM ~0. 5g. Public hearing on an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance by amending the use regulations of an approximate 0.82 acre tract of land, the north portion of Lot 4, Highlander First Addition, which is located on Northgate Drive from RDP, Research Development Park, to CO-i, Commercial Office. (REZ95-0008) ITEM NO. 5h. Public hearing on an ordinance amending the condi- tional zoning agreement for Lots 4-17, Highlander First Addition, revising the development standard pertaining to rooflines and parapet walls. (REZ95- 0008) Miklo/ Rezoning of a portion of Lot 4 of Northgate Corporate Park from RDP to CO-1. The next item is associated with that in that it would amend the development standards or requirements for Northgate Corporate Park to replace requirement that buildings have flat roofs with a requirement that the architecture throughout the area be consistent. This was brought about in there was a proposal to build on a portion of this lot ..... we agreed with the applicant that there should be more flexibility in the guidelines that are the standards for the park. The remainder of the tract .... more appropriate for CI-1 which is the adjacent zone to the west. Pigott/ Mik10/ Original application was to fezone the entire tract to CO-1. Kubby/ And now it is just the northerly portion. Pigott/ I thought before the southerly portion was incorporated ...... What you are saying now is that it is not inappropriate some places .... Miklo/ There is a topographic change which makes it more appropriate for CO-1. Horow/ Miklo/ This is the lot immediately adjacent the existing CO-1. The topography breaks there .... We would anticipate the rest of the ORP staying as it is. Thlsrepresents only areasonably accuratetranscription ~ theiowa City council meetlngofJulyl?,1995. WS071795 July 17, 1995 Council Work Session Page 8 Horow/ ... the oovenant was really carefully forged out ..... I am questioning because the rest of the ORP is not moving are we in danger of seeing more erosion of this? Miklo/ I don't believe rezoning is likely but amendments to the development standards are something that we have discussed ..... may be more room for flexibility ...... Horow/ Is it possible to look at it within the entire package of ORP area in the city? ..... interim ORP in the Clear Creek acreage. context of the We still have Nov/ But this is research development rather than office... It is not exactly the same. Horow/ Kubby/ I have a couple of questions... Have there been people who have looked at this for research development? But because of the covenants they have said it is too restrictive .... Or is it people are not that interested in that zoning in our community? Harry Wolf/ We have a specific proposal from a specific user who has designs on this line .... There is a natural terrain break in that lot .... Kubby/ I was thinking more of the remaining lots... have there been over the past five years interest in those lots? Wolf/ We have had varied interests .... at this point we have this proposal ..... and they have a concern about the restrictiveness of the roof line ..... Let us to consider maybe taking a more comprehensive look at a later date at the entire park. Our intent is not to change the use. Horow/ Is this use compatible with research development? Wolf/ Yes ..... The need to go CO-1...issue of topography and also restriction that no lot can be less that one acre in the RDP zone ...... We have specific user we believe appropriate for the zone. The one issue right now is the roof line. Nov/ What was the reason for not putting the C0-1 on a different lot? Wolf/ The scale of this project and this particular user wants to Thts represents only a reasonably accurate trans=lptlon ofthelowa City council meeting of July 17, 1995. WS071795 July 17, 1995 Council Work Session Page 9 be on Lot 4 ...... This is really where they want to be .... Throg/ I don't see any reason not to support the proposed change in the zoning. But in the long run building single purpose commercial zones is probably a mistake ..... There is only one way to get there .... by auto .... There are other images of how to develop communities .... We really need to start to take them very seriously ..... Horow/ If I recall... the whole Northgate Research Park concept was that the bus would be available... get public transportation out there ..... we do have an established area .... I share your concern on this. Miklo/ We do have a request to expedite consideration of this ..... At the time you had the second reading on you would also pass and adopt. I~EM ~O. 5i. Public hearing on an ordinance vacating a 20-foot wide alley located east of Gilbert Court and immediately north of Lot 4 of Block 3, Lyon's Addi- tion. (VAC95-0002) Miklo/ A p.h. on the vacation of a 20 foot wide alley located east of Gilbert Court ..... Vacation of this would allow an addition to an existing house... recommended approval subject to any necessary utility easements .... There is not need for a utility easement on this property. Horow/ There would be position on this? Miklo/ No. no reason for the RR Company to get their Kubby/ So how do we decide how much we are asking for this land? Miklo/ We are anticipating the applicant will present an offer to the city ..... Separate process to dispose of the property. Kubby/ When that point comes ...I would like staff to make a recommendation as to what a fair price is ..... I EM 5j. Public hearing on an resolution vacating Fox Hollow Subdivision, a 31-lot, 52.21 acre subdivision located north of Herbert Hoover Highway and west of Taft Avenue. (VAC95-0003) Thisrepresents only areasonably accuratetranscription oftholowa City council meeting of July 17,1995. WS071795 July 17, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 10 Miklo/ P.h. on vacation of Fox Hollow Subdivision. This is a subdivision in the county of our extraterritorial area off of Herbert Hoover Highway .... recommended approval of this vacation request ..... ITEM NO. $k. Public hearing on an ordinance amending City Code Title 14, Chapter 6, entitled "Zoning," Article S, entitled "Performance Standards," Sections 10B and 10C, concerning the location of underground storage tanks. Miklo/ P.h. on amendment of the performance standards regarding the location of underground storage tanks. Currently there are performance standards in the zoning ordinance. This amendment would refer to the UFC for the regulation for those storage tanks...exception... underground storage tanks adjacent to the residential area would have to be ten feet from a property line. Nov/ I would like to know why there is no distance requirement on small above ground tanks .... Miklo/ I will have to check with the Building Department and Fire Department. Nov/ And I would like to know what types of liquids are to be in those tanks that are stored at zero distance. Horow/ Nov/ It just says zero. It doesn't say commercial or residential .... I am talking about the above ground .... It doesn't make sense and I would like to know why it is written that way. Miklo/ One of the items... for Commission pending list is a revisiting all of the performance standards in the industrial zone. That is an issue that we could tackle at that time. I will try to find out the answers to your questions° ITEM NO. $1. Consider a resolution vacating Oakes Fourth Addition, a 5.21 acre, 11-1ot residential subdivision located at the end of Quincent street, north of Dubuque Road. (VAC95-0001) Miklo/ The resolution on vacating Oakes Fourth Addition. ITEM NO. 5m. Consider a resolution approving the preliminary Thisrepresents only a reasonably accurate transcription ofthelowa City council meeting of July 17,1995. W$071795 July 17, 1995 Council Work Session Page plat of Dean Oakes Fifth Addition, a 6.25 acre, 14 lot residential subdivision located at the end of Quincent Street, north of Dubuque Road. (SUB95- 0013) Miklo/ A resolution approving Oakes Fifth Addition. When we set the p.h. on the vacation of the resolution there was a question on how these two plat designs interrelated to the ravine in the area. (Refers to plat) ..... Nov/ So there is more room between the street and ravine on the second plat .... Kubby/ How many lots in the old plat were getting into the ravine and how many in the new plant? Miklo/ (Refers to plat) Most of the lots on the north side were adjacent to the ravine of had part of the ravine .... (refers to plat) ..... There are four lots in this vicinity that have ravine ....... Kubby/...there are more lots and the lots are more buildable. ITEM NO. 5n. Consider a resolution approving the preliminary plat of Walden Wood, Part 8, a 12 lot, 4.3 acre subdivision located west of Mormon Trek Boulevard, north of Walden Court. (SUB95-0014) Miklo/ Resolution on the preliminary plat of Walden Wood, Part 8. We are asking that this be deferred indefinitely. There is a need to acquire an easement across an existing pipeline easement in the area for drainage ..... Horow/ Does this have anything to do with the proposed trail system that would be along that same pipeline area? Miklo/ There was a request from the neighborhood that the city consider accepting the pipeline easement for a trail system. P/R Commission look at that and chose to accept it. (Refers to plat) ..... ITEM NO. 50. Consider a resolution approving the final plat of Galway Hills Subdivision, Part Two, a 14.71 acre, 24-1ot residential subdivision located in the southeast quadrant of the intersection of Highway 218 and Melrose Avenue, at the end of Galway Drive. (SUB95-0017) Thisrepresents only areasonably accur~etranscription of thelowa Citycouncil meetingofJuly17,1995. WS071795 July 17, 1995 Council Work Session Page 12 Miklo/ Final plat of Galway Hills, Part 2, 24 lots. This was approved by the P/Z Conmission subject to the City Forester approving the Tree Protection Plan for lots 43 and 44 and that has been approved... Also it was subject to legal papers .... those both have been approved... plat is in order for approval ..... Kubby/ ...It is not that our Forester developed this? Miklo/ That is correct. Kubby/ Seems like a fair protection plan .... Throg/ Someone called me...question was about.. qualifications of the organization or the prepared the plan. the technical person who had Miklo/ I believe MMS prepared the plan and they consulted with a tree surgeon. Larry Schnittjer/ I prepared the plan under consultation with people at Iowa City Landscaping .... Throg/ Schnittjer/ I think some of the people at Iowa City Landscaping have that background .... Kubby/ Other thing is our Forester approved it. Schnittjer/ There were slight modifications that the City Forester requested and those changes have been made. Kubb¥/ That is the safety net for us. Horow/ ...How much does it cost to have something like this produced? Can you give me an estimate? Schnittjer/ I don't recall .... put in close to four days work assembling the information .... Horow/ Point out how much the forester ...... This is not an easy thing to undertake. Schnittjer/ About $1600. Horow/ ..... This is not something undertaken frivolously ..... Thisrepresents only areasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowaC[~ council meeting of July 17,1995. WS071795 July 17, 1995 · · Council Work Session Page 13 Nov/ Kubby/ Because everyone has made this commitment .... we do this .... I am interested in giving direction to our inspectors about how important this is to everybody. That they make sure that this is done properly. Horow/ This sort of process would get to Doug's, right?. Who would oversee construction of this? Boothroy/ (Can't hear). Miklo/ The Tree Protection Plan has two phases. 1-When the streets and sewer and water lines are put in. Public Works would oversee that. 2-Applies to the construction of the two houses on the lots and HIS would oversee that. Kubby/ I would like that both departments get the message then... Horow/ We should follow through with it. Kubby/ Thisrepresents only areasonably accurate transcription ofthalowa Ci~ council meetingof July 17,1995. WS071795 JUly 17, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 14 Amend Consent Calendar/Delete 3d(1) 95-85 Sl Karr/ We have a request from staff to delete 3d(1) from the Consent Calendar which is setting a p.h. on the Curb Ramp Project. That will come back to you. It is not ready at this time. So just delete it please. Horow/ Okay. Kubby/ What is the delay? Karr/ I don't know. I was informed by Engineering. It is just not ready yet. Kubby/ That is pretty status quo stuff, Steve. What is new? Nov/ Thisrepresents only areasonably accuratetranscrlptlon ofthelowa City council meeting of July 17,1995. W$071795 July 17, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 15 F.I.R.S.T. Presentation - Intercity Bikeway 95-85 S2 Horow/ Mr. Cook has given us a fantastic stand up map of Iowa City Trails. Casey Cook/ I understand I have a half hour on the agenda ..... Make some introductory comments of this thing for about ten minutes and then field questions ..... There are four things that I want to talk about: 1-~at we are trying to do here; 2-Steps we have taken to date; 3- The next steps that we would like to take and 4- What requests we have of council ..... There are three aspects: 1- transportation aspect and one of the key transportation aspects is this remote lot of the University. We are trying to connect this remote lot and the family housing into the Iowa River Trail here. 2- Provide a safe corridor .... (refers to map) ..... The point of this link is to provide an access for kids to get over to West High School .... We are trying to take a little bit of traffic off of Melrose .... Second thing we are looking at is a link from Camp Cardinal over here (refers to map) ...... Those are the main things. This evolved from the Neighborhood Open Space Plan and our discussions there ..... wanted to get it in the pipeline. This is a third priority behind the Iowa River Trail and behind the Willow Creek Trail (refers to map) .... takes so much lead time .... Don't know how long ISTEA funds are going to last and we want to have plans in place so we can compete effectively for those plans ..... We have been going to various commissions and affected parties .... need to do more discussion with the Coralville folks .... They are to the point that they want to look at some engineered plans (refers to map) .... CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 95-85 SIDE 2 Cook/ ...try to get a better hand on what their concerns are. I sent a letter to Charlie Denney and Dick summarizing our conversation .... We have also talked to the P/R Commission... preliminary support from them .... Come back with a more refined plan ..... Give you a chance to take a look at it .... questions. So those are the steps we have taken. The future steps that we are looking at .... anticipate that 1-we are going to need some staff time to negotiate with the RR about RRr.o.w. Kubby/ Cook/ ..... unusually wide r.o.w. through much of that corridor that the RR are using .... big easement...effluent pipe from Thisrepresents only areasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowa City councii mestlngofJuly 17,1995, WS071795 July 17, 1995 Council Work Session Page 16 Coralville ..... price involved ..... 2- To put it in the budget to do some engineering on this trail so we can get some clear cost estimates on what it is going to cost. 3- Staff time to incorporate cost and engineering drawing into a grant so they can apply for ICTEA moneys .... Is it not true that the Transportation Funding .... ICTEA funds come up with 80% local match ..... Kubby/ Part of this is in newer... challenging for us to get transportation corridors in already developed areas in town. Where is that in FIRST visions of this whole system of trails? Cook/ Could you start out with an easier question, please? My point of view, I think we need to be very opportunistic about trails. In this case...two land owners... they are interested in making some arrangement so we can utilize the land .... after consensus is built then you are in a position to go to land owners and say we have got a trial here... it could go through your backyard .... I don't think right now that is feasible ..... some future point it may happen .... Until you build that consensus...take advantage of the opportunities that you have .... Kubby/ It is quite of frustrating .... higher density of housing .... hardest place to get people to use their bicycles as transportation tools for most of the year ..... get them out into the outer lying trails ..... Somehow it seems backwards .... I want to do it all. Cook/ .o.We have had so much difficulty in getting parkland in the inner-city because of the expense of it .... bring people where the parks are .... kind of trails that addresses that ...... Kubby/ Nov/ Since there is already a potential trail along Mormon Trek Road .... why build another one so close? Cook/ When we first designed this we didn't know about the Mormon Trek Trail ..... if primarily link is coming from 12th Street and line up ...with West High School...it makes a lot of sense having it there ..... I don't think that is a critical link .... creates a loop system .... along Willow Creek Trail... Out to Clear Creek Trail .... It does a lot of things .... Can also see another loop coming off of Camp Cardinal Road and that area there .... This represents only 8 reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meoting of July '17, 1995, WS071795 July 17, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 17 Horow/ Also eliminate a light system at Highway 6 and Mormon Trek right there by China Gardens .... Cook/ We still have that problem at the RR Bridge .... (refers to map) .... Horow/ I thought you meant you want to connect it with 12th Street extension ..... Cook/ (Refers to map) ..... Still going to be problems in that area ..... Coralville... get people into their commercial area. Kubby/ University has a stake in this, too ..... Lehman/ How much of a problem is the topography at Camp Cardinal Road? Cook/ To this point (refers to map) this is pretty straight forward .... in this area here .... so that is an issue... some difficult topography in this area (refers to map) .... One point that was made... this area (refers to map) .... loops around athletic field .... rehabilitation... incorporated as part of the grant and they said yes. They understand that there is a lot to gain .... Nice opportunity for Coralville and University and Iowa City and University Heights to live together .... Throg/ I don't quite understand .... why not formalize the linkage between what you are proposing here and Iowa River ~cenic Trail .... at ...Highway 6 meets .... (refers to map)..~.~ Cook/ Makes a lot of sense. We will do it. There is another connection that I think needs to be made over in this area here (refers to map). That is all the more reason to find a good connection .... Kubby/ Helpful for me. I get confused as to what sections we have done, what we are going to do and how much we've spent. If we could have a time frame from the first Iowa River Trail that we did and go through our seven year CIP and have the year and name of project and the proposed amount the project either spent or proposed to be spent and a time line. Horow/ ..... Are you all coming up with new proposed sketches? Cook/ Those are as up to date as the ones I have... Willow Creek, there has been quite a bit of engineering done on that between Thisrepresents only areasonably accuratetranscription ofthalowa CI~ councilmeetlng of July 17,1995. WS071795 July 17, 1995 Council Work Session Page 18 Mormon Trek and Galway Hills Subdivision. I don't know what the current status of that is ..... time frame. Horow/ Are you going to be presenting this to the board of education? Seems to me we are targeting towards the school system and if there was any part of this that the public might persuade the Board of Education to support, they need to know about it early. Cook/ You were aware maybe that we had quite a bit discussion with the high school and Board of Education... Willow Creek Trail .... We have had some conversation with them but we haven't talked at all about this ..... Horow/ Coralville city Council and Board of Education being aware of this in terms of the potential towards West High School .... Just as long as the Board of Education is mede aware of these things so they are not caught. Cook/ Anything else? Horow/ ..... any other questions? Kubby/ When we get that time frame and money spent and to be spent, to then add FIRST money and private money that has been spent to get a sense of where we are at ..... what really are we doing and who is doing it ..... Thisrepresents only ereasonably accuratetranscription oftheiowa City council meeting of July 17,1995. WS071795 July 17, 1995 Council Work Session Page 19 Application For Public Housing Replacement 95-85 S2 Kubby/ If you have questions about H ACAP, Lori Higgins is the staff person. Horow/ Does anybody have any questions on this? Atkins/ How about the application? ....... Horow/ Doug, why don't you take on the application. Boothroy/ I really appreciate the opportunity to go early ..... We have talked about this before ..... Briefly run through it a little bit for you. We have 18 units down on Broadway Street, 1926 and 1946 Broadway .... ten unit building...will be completed in terms of its rehab. The eight unit is occupied. We started talking about the sale of this apartment complex to HACCAP back in January and they did apply for Block Grant funds... to establish transitional housing in the 18 units .... You have two resolutions. They are... the same. The deposition plan for this project is the acquisition of 18 replacement units which is what you are going to have the p.h. on July 27th ..... That is the plan: acquisition of 18 existing s.f. structures and the other part is the application for permission to proceed with the disposition of Broadway. What HUD will do, the disposition plan, they will approve it and as it is presently together...go forward if in fact... we get the funding for the 18 replacement units ..... The opportunities are very narrow for that ..... only funds that are going to be there are for replacement units ..... questionable at this point whether we will get the 18 replacement units ...... At this point in time the window of opportunity for that is to try to get that application into HUD by the end of this month. To try to get this application for the disposition plan into HUD by Thursday, the 20th. Kubby/ Do we have to be specific on our application about the new 18 units that they be existing units versus new? Boothroy/ Absolutely .... The application is very specific. It says acquisition of existing units. You are not allowed to mix and match .... got to do one or the other .... replacement units have the highest priority ..... In talking to HUD officials in Des Moines and Kansas City where they reviewed us, it is possible. Horow/ Doug, will you have whatever has to go into HUD prepared for tomorrow night for signature? ..... Thisrepresents only areasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowa Ci~ council meetlngofJuly17,1995, WS071795 July 17, 1995 Council Work Session Boothroy/ We have a pile of certifications .... Page 20 or Mayor Pro-tem. Karr/ The Mayor Pro-tem always acts in the absence of the mayor. And it has to be in Des Moines by Thursday? Boothroy/ No, I am sending it to Kansas City .... Thursday. We should have it done by Wednesday. We are sending it in Thursday afternoon. Is there any question about the plan which is to acquire 18 in lieu of buying or in lieu of constructing 187 ..... Lehman/ Are we talking about apartments or are we talking about homes? Boothroy/ Homes. Lehman/ And what price range are we talking here? Boothroy/ It is adjusted, just slightly over $93,000 per unit. Lehman/ What is the inventory of homes in that price range? Boothroy/ I can't answer that question. Lehman/ Reservation I have is probably less than a dozen homes right now .... The city competes with the private sector for these homes ..... It kind of skews the market ..... Kubby/ I share that concern ..... Boothroy/ We could do new construction. It is still for replacement units. The method is acquisition versus new construction. Kubby/ ..... have real good dispersion of people in the established neighborhoods ..... Boothroy/ Almost all of the houses that I bought last time were in December, January, and early February .... they was very little competition on the market at that time .... Some of those houses that we bought had been on the market already ..... People aren't buying houses on December 22 ..... Lehman/ Could we have a policy that we don't buy homes until they have been on the market for 90 days? ..... a waiting period Boothroy/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 17, 1995. WS071795 July 17, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 21 Kubby/ That means we don't increase the stock of housing available Boothroy/ It makes it more difficult to disperse it. It would put us in a very difficult situation .... All of the houses we bought were on the multiple listings .... matter of making an offer .... It appeared more aggressive than it was. I see buying houses during December, January, and February as being good times to buy houses because most people aren't looking ..... until late March Lehman/ .... You offer is a good offer ..... Boothroy/ We were turned down on two houses because of issues with regard to the kind of people that would be moving into those houses .... People would not sell to the Housing Authority .... for Public Housing .... Kubby/ Boothroy/ ..... Kubby/ My ideal would be to buy and sell lots dispersed and do new construction ..... Nov/ ...if we build a new 18 unit complex, we actually increase the number of houses in the city. Boothroy/ The last ten units ...... gets them in other neighborhoods ..... You never know and with the price of housing jumping like it does in the spring time it gets a little bit scary .... March everything seems to pop up 6% ...... Horow/ Any other questions...? Nov/ Explain why the hearing has to be later .... Boothroy/ Legal Department's decision on that one. I can't explain that to you ..... complicated... Linda felt there was some risk because the notice was put in the paper prior to council actually calling the hearing... She wanted that sequence to be pure ..... If we did get the replacement units and everything worked out, we would have to come back and have a p.h. on the disposition .... have to do it through the regular disposition process we do for all public property. These two applications... puts us in a position to do what we might want to do .... Thisrepresents only areasonably accurate ~anscrlptlon orthoIowa C~ council meeting of July 17,1995. WS071795 July 17, 1995 · Kubby/ ..... are afford? Boothroy/ Lehman/ Council Work Session Page 22 there any possibilities of land that we could (No). I don't think there is anything north of Highway 6. Boothroy/ A lot of the people that we buy houses from have bought other houses in the community, more expensive housing. I think there is some trickle affect ..... In some cases they have built new housing. Kubby/ The number of units aren't changed... different people will be living in them .... Boothroy/ Horow/ Can we tackle the other issue? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 17, 1995. WS071795 July 17, 1995 Council Work Session Page 23 Sale of 18 Broadway Street Units to HACAP Boothroy/ They are essentially the same. 95-85 S2 Horow/ Does anyone have any questions on the sale of the 18 Broadway units? Kubby/ I think the most important part for me is the people who are currently living in the Public Housing Authority units will not be forced to become part of the HACAP Program. That they can choose to get the supported services and then if they behave such that they get kicked out of the HACAP services they will get kicked out of HACAP services but not out of their unit ..... Boothroy/ Eviction would be based on normal eviction causes .... There are no relocation issues involved here and of course Lori is here to talk to you about some of the services provided. We have met twice with the eight remaining families at Broadway and HACAP or Lori was there .... Both meetings went quite well. Horow/... Thank you very much. This represents only a reasonably accurate ~anscrlptlcn of the Iowa Citycouncil meeting of July 17, 1995. WS071795 July 17, 1995 Council Work Session Page 24 Carnegie Plaza Design 95-85 S2 Horow/ Back to the Carnegie Plaza Design. Kubby/ What about them windows? None of us had any disdain from windows... Dick Pattschull/ We were thinking we were going to be on the agenda tomorrow .... (Can't hear). Horow/ We have no portable mic today ..... Pattschull/ This is where we ended last time. One of the concerns is the colors we were going to pick... feeling for the scale and size and what is actually happening for these elevations. What we did was develop some elevations or perspectives of the building. I think this starts to give you a feeling (refers to drawings) .... You can see the scale of the building ..... (refers to drawings) .... Kubby/ How does the design of this relate to the buildings that are around in terms of architecture or design elements? Pattschull/ I don't- Pigott/ We got the library, Masonic Temple- Kubby/ Church. Pattschull/ (Refers top drawing). Horow/ The color is designed to blend in the area or stand out? Pattschull/ We want it to be colorful. Horow/ Pattschull/ We are looking for earth tone ..... (refers to drawings) ..... (refers to samples) Unlimited range of brick colors .... Horow/ Dick, if you were a parishioner at Trinity Episcopal, how would you like the colors in the brick to look? ..... What colors would you ask New Pi to consider...? Kubby/ Do we know what the colors of the church are going to be when it is done? Horow/ I am asking whether or not this has been taken into Thisrepresents only o reasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowa Citycouncil meeting of July 17,1995. WS071795 July 17, 1995 Council Work Session Page 25 consideration. This is why this parcel had the restriction on it that it does. That it is to pass design of city council because we were looking at context within which that parcel is located ..... Pattschull/ I think it adds color to the area. I don't think it clashes ..... Kubby/ Thinking about the new apartment on corner of Gilbert and Burlington .... Horow/ (Looks at samples of the brick). Pattschull/ This is ... the brick... red part is the brick (refers to drawings) .... The only color we are really introducing is the green ..... Kubby/ Trinity is green now .... Pigoft/... Horow/ That is why this parcel is so weird. Council was directed to make sure it is compatible with the area. Kubby/ I think the council that made the decision many years ago was talking about compatible with the library and the library was suppose to be changed at that time .... Horow/ Throg/ One of the things I like about your design .... the way that northwestern corner is set back from the street ..... I think that will greatly decrease the sense of mass of that building .... Horow/ May we go to the Gilbert Street and address the window...? Throg/ Pigott/ Pattschull/ These are the elevations .... This .... (refers to drawings)... we have an area that has a great deal of glass across there .... We may not want to utilize all of this as glass. We would like the opportunity to do different things with it ..... This represents only a reasonsbly accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 17, 1995, WS071795 July 17, 1995 . . Council Work Session Page 26 Horow/ Rochell, since the last meeting have you anything to add in terms of the discussion of the window? Rochell Prunty/ I got on the phone to our store designer and talked with him about it a little bit and he hasn't had time to really dig into the floor plan...details on interior... letter ...what he says is .... Now that you got the letter... When this whole site is obviously a really good site for the coop ...good for the community .... It is not convenient and not easy to deal with in any which way... working on so hard...whole series of compromises on everybody's part CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 95-86 SIDE 1 [Power outage problems 8:00 to 8:10 PM) Prunty/ ...cub Foods, there is not a window in the place .... and the reason for that is because it doesn't mesh with what the operations of what they are trying to do on the inside. The perimeter of a grocery store is where basically where you make your money .... That space is really critical of the operations of a store which is why you never see in any of it in regular stores. The reason we wanted these here... we do want... to catch people's attention ..... But PJ who is a store designer .... who does coop and natural food store design is on the interior... he did say that this window (refers to drawings). We can arrange the store in such a way that we can give up this amount of space right here .... (refers to drawings) ...... I talked to our graphic designer .... I also got the idea in a coop in Sacramento ..... They broke it up with awnings and banners ..... I got a folder, can I come up and show you? (Shows drawings) ..... You get the feeling that you can see through and into the store but you really can't ..... (refers to drawings) .... Shows you the range of what can be possible. Lehman/ .... It might be possible to put in very shallow windows .... that won't interfere with the operation of the store. Prunty/ That is exactly what we have in mind. Throg/ One of the things that confused me last week ..... it wasn't clear to me whether there would be spaces on the east side that appear to be windows .... whether it would be blank space, just wall .... TitIs represents only a reasoaebly accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of July 1 7, 1995, WS071795 July 17, 1995 Council Work Session Page 27 Prunty/ This is what we have always had in mind .... we hadn't gotten that far with the whole process. Throg/ So we will be looking at what appears to be three sets of windows .... Prunty/ Absolutely .... right. Great. Horow/ Any other questions? Kubby/ Did anybody have any more comments about the colors? I do think they are muted enough. Pigott/ I think the earth tone muted colors are really good. Prunty/ I don't know if you have seen the Bake House in Coralville ... that is the ...kind of color scheme that we use ..... Horow/ Prunty/ The visual thing of what those colors look like .... Nov/ ...This is a large mass .... Kubby/ In the upper stories where the apartments will be, you are going to have a lot of stucco .... window frames to break up this beige? Pattschull/ ..start to pick up some of the curve of the roof (refers to drawing)... a lot that detail we really haven't put on this drawing .... Kubby/ Will the window frames be a different color than this? Pattschull/ Yes .... drawings) ..... together ..... Nov/ Pattschull/ (Refers to drawings) .... stucco .... Nov/ Pattschull/ (Refers to drawings) .... different colors of green ..... (refers to This location is where the apartment comes could be a different color Thisrepresents only areasonably accuratetranscHptlon ofthelowaCi~ councllmeetlngofJuly17,1995. WS071795 July 17, 1995 Council Work Session Page 28 Nov/ So you are really not showing us a finished product. This is not a complete design yet? Pattschull/ No. Throg/ My sense is we are talking now about personally feel very comfortable with building ..... subtle detail ..... I the design of the Nov/ ...there should be a complete design to be evaluated. Throg/ I think we are seeing a complete enough design .... We don't want to be looking at final construction drawings .... Lehman/ I don't think you put in that kind of investment until you get the feeling from council .... Basically we think it is a pretty good idea so you proceed with detail. Kubby/ We have already told them that .... Pigott/ I think it has been helpful to look at these examples .... Pattschull/ Horow/ This computerized drawing really has helped very very much... Kubby/ Horow/ We have this to deal with tomorrow. Does anyone else have any other questions? Kubby/ I do find myself... purpose of this is to know what is being approved .... I am a little concern... that when you come back things have to be final... I do feel with some hesitation... Horow/ We are not following the letter to which the previous council set out ..... We did expect to see it in a more complete manner. Are there four people who wish to defer this? Okay, I think in this case we will take this as it comes tomorrow. All right, moving right along. Thisrepresents only oreesonebly eccuretetrenscrlpUon ofthelowa City council meeting of July 17,1995. WS071795 July 17, 1995 Council Work Session Page 29 Council Agenda/Time 95-86 Sl 1. Lehman/ I wasn't here when the council discussed the sales tax and I really think I have a few comments that I would like to make. I will make them tomorrow night. 2. Nov/ (Agenda #12-ITEM NO. 12 -CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO SIGN AND THE CITY CLERK TO ATTEST AN AGREEMENT FOR F¥96 PARATRANSIT SERVICE BETWEEN CORALVILLE, IOWA CITYAND JOHNSON COUNTY.) On the agenda... There is a reference and a resolution to taxi cab contracts with two different cab companies but we have just one contract here. Are we signing two different contracts? Karr/ Yes you are. It is the same contract, just the name change. Kubby/ On the first page of the contract it says for the purpose of this program a disabled person is defined as- All throughout the rest of the document it says persons with a disability. I guess I would like to change that in the in the contract. I am on the supplemental para-transit service. On first page, item #3 under general terms, first line. Can you-For the purposes of this program a person with a disability is defined as versus a disabled person. And will Jeff be here to talk about some elements of it? Atkins/ Jeff or Joe .... call Joe. Nov/ Karen, does the same language turn up in the SEATS contract? Kubby/ ...I assume... I don't think so .... It is stated differently it says .... So that is fine. Nov/ I think it is fine, too. 3. Nov/ (Agenda #22-CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN HOWARD R. GREEN COMPANY AND THE CITY OF IOWA CITY TO PROVIDE CONSULTING SERVICES DURING CONSTRUCTION OF IMPROVE- MENTS TO THE WATER SOURCE, TREATMENT, DISTRIBUTION, AND STORAGE FACILITIES.) The resolution for water construction contract. I would like to add the fourth water supply which is in the contract and not in the resolution. So it should say Iowa River, Jordan Aquifer, Silurian Aquifer, and Alluvial Aquifer. All four are in the contract but not all four are in the resolution. Karr/ Naomi... which one were you referring to? Thisrepresents oolyereasonabiy accurate transcriptioa ofthelowe City council meeting of July 17,1995, WS071795 July 17, 1995 . . Council Work Session Page 30 Nov/ Let me look .... It is #22, the water source .... The Water Facility Construction Contract with HR Green ..... The contract mentions all four water sources. The resolution mentions 3 out of four and I would like to add the fourth one .... 4. Nov/ I went to see our modular house today... fit into the neighborhood,.. affordable .... Horow/ Ann Bovbjerg has been filming this for community programming .... I was over there Sunday. it really is something .... Nov/ 5. Throg/ I having a true reflux reaction .... graffiti downtown .... Is there someway we can talk about that...? Atkins/ Let me talk to R.J.(Winklehake) tomorrow and I will report tomorrow night ..... Karr/ Repeated artwork .... artistic statement .... Horow/ How do you get it cleaned up...? Atkins/ Property owner's responsibility .... Horow/ Atkins/ Discuss it .... Horow/ Ask the media to hold off on this .... 6. Pigott/ (Consent Calendar#3f(1)) Letter from Mildred Flynn .... Kubby/ It is a constant comment. Arkins/ Shoo them off and do the best we can .... chase them off .... Pigott/ Someone talked to me this pass weekend about walking across the street to the mall from the ped mall towards Penney's .... Wondered what it was we could do about making it a more pedestrian friendly.., Atkins/ .... almost have the impression...extension of the mall. Pigott/ Police officer ..... Thisrepresents only a reasonably accurate transcription of ~elowa Ci~ council meeting of July 17,1995. WS071795 July 17, 1995 . Council Work Session Page 31 Atkins/ Is there a time of day...? Lehman/ There are a number of signs d.t. that are obscured by trees .... Arkins/ If you see a stop sign that is obscured by a tree, I would like to know about it .... A quick trim will take care of it. We do need to have those reported .... Nov/ ..... Washington and Linn .... At travel agency... heading east. You are almost there before you see that light .... trees. Horow/ Same problem was brought to my attention ..... major campaign to cut out jaywalking ..... R.J. just said no .... Nov/ Kubby/ I have two things. One is a request for tomorrow night that we have a map of the peninsula that is big enough for a camera to see it so that we can show this is the flood plain... this is how much we are paying for this part of the land and where the moneys are coming from ..... That will make that issue more clear and it will help us to be clear on this issue. 9. Kubby/ When will we talk about transfer station issues in terms of solid waste .... Atkins/ Susan asked me to prepare a letter ...... Horow/ Whole subject of transfer station .... potential of 28E agreement with other communities... depends upon their understanding of the issues .... Similar to the meeting we had on sales tax .... getting mayors or designees ..... take the information to councils ..... They have to come back to us .... gives a better picture of what it is they are talking about .... but we really don't know... who is actually going to participate in this ..... Until we get the Johnson County communities to at least make a decision based on educated amount of material, I personally don't see how we can really tackle and deal with it. Kubby/ We need to meet with them whether or not there is a transfer station ..... I would like to refer it to our legislative committee ..... DNR had nothing to sit on and say there is legislation that doesn't allow us ..... DNR said yes to the Thisrepresents only ereasonebly accurate transcription ofthslowa City council meeting of July 17,1995. WS071795 July 17, 1995 Council Work Session Page 32 transfer station and one of their reasons was that there was not legislation that allows them to say no and part of it how the legislation about solid waste plan that we have .... how that is written. So I am interested in having our legislative committee look at how to re-write that so communities can have some control over solid waste so the DNR has something to say .... Arkins/ Why don't I draft a letter .... Nov/ ...could that plan be amended to require local approval of transfer stations? Is it something that we have discretion over? Horow/ I don't believe that we can. They make it as odious as possible because the transfer station owner will have to come up with their own analysis .... It is not impossible. Atkins/ I would like a little discretion in writing the letter because the proposed transfer station operator doesn't have to pay its own taxes. Kubby/ There should be equal responsibility. Atklns/ I will look into it. I will draft a first letter for you. Horow/ Actually that will be very useful. Atkins/ ...I will draft something for the committee. 10. Horow/ In your packets you have the letter that I sent to Don Swanson. You also have the memo about the evaluation. Have you all gotten back to Marian today? Council/ (All talking about schedule). Karr/ I need Jim's. Ernie and Larry to a large extent said I will make it ..... If we could take them in two sections .... University Heights .... September 5 ..... Throg/ Why is it we end up with the likelihood of four meetings in one week? ...... Karr/ The other ones .... Horow/ We have city council meetings... 14th and 15th and then the Thisrepresents only areasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowa City council meeting of July 17,1995. WS071795 July 17, 1995 Council Work Session Page 33 evaluations do take two nights .... Next week would either be the University Heights meeting on 21st .... I am going to be out of town the 22nd and 23rd. Nov/ University Hts. better in September .... moving something like evaluations .... Throg/ Four meetings during any one week is just dreadful. Karr/ 21st is not available .... Horow/ Karr/ 21, 28 and September 5 .... You would rather leave it at the 30th and 31st .... Kubby/ Horow/ 30th and 31st you are out of town (Kubby). Karr/ I have Karen gone the 30th, 31st and a no on the 16th. No from Bruno on 16th. Karr/ 21 and 24 .... started a little later. Pigott/ I might be gone on those days .... Karr/ 17th I have got Bruno gone .... Throg/ Break up .... Karr/ 17th and 21st? (Discussion re: scheduling). Kubby/ Council Horow/ Karr/ 17th and 24th ..... he doesn't know what his next schedule will be ..... September 5th is subject to hearing from University Hts ..... 17th and 24th at 6:30 and then September 5, 7-9 PM ..... Horow/ University Hts ..... is everyone else available for the 21st? Okay, this will be second choice. Karr/ First choice is September 5, second choice is 8/21 .... Thisrepresents only areasonably accurate transcription ofthalowa Citycouncil meeting of July 17,1995. WS071795 July 17, 1995 council Work Session Page 34 Throg/ Evaluations... conclusions last time about how to do it .... If we could extract what those conclusions were, it would be very helpful. Pigott/ Horow/ I have some notes ..... 11. Horow/ The League of Iowa Cities meeting is October 4,5, and 6- No ..... night of the 5th'and 6th & 7 ..... I would like you to really consider this ..... I would really ask anyone else...to go .... Ends noon on Saturday .... Get to Marian on that .... 12. Nov/ One more thing. I did a little research on what is going on with reduction of property tax and elderly service rates and I sent everybody some copies ..... Horow/ Thank you very much. Thisrepresents only areosonably accurate transcription ofthelowa CI~ council meeting of July 17,1995. WS071795 July 17, 1995 Council Work Session ApDointments 95-85 S2 Board of Adjustment - Lowell Brandt Human Rights Commission - Osha Gray Davidson Meeting Reminder~ 95-86 Sl Karr/ Couple of things... tomorrow 6:30 and also you special meeting that you set 27th at 7:30 AM. Kubby/ Karr/ That is the Public Housing that Doug was talking about. Horow/ Adjourn: 9:00 PM Page 35 have your Thisrepresents only areasonabiy accuratetranscription ofthelowaCItycouncllmeefing of July 17,1995. WS071796