HomeMy WebLinkAbout1995-08-28 TranscriptionAugust 28, 1995 Council Work Session 6:30PM
council: Horow, Baker, Kubby, Lehman, Nov, Pigott, Thr0g.
Staff: Atkins, Woito, Karr, Franklin, Davidson, Boothroy, Schoon,
Helling (7:10).
Tapes/ 95-99, all; 95-100, all; 95-101, Side 1.
Review Zoning Matters
ITEM NO. $a. Consider
95-99 S1
setting a public hearing for September 12
on an ordinance amending the Zoning Chapter by
changing the use regulations on an approximate 2.02
acre tract of land located east of Lakeside Drive
and south of Highway 6 from ID-RS, Interim
Development Single-Family Residential, to RM-12,
Low Density, Multi-Family Residential. (REZ95-0012)
Franklin/ P.h. for September 12...rezoning...Lakeside Drive and
Highway 6... to RM-12. The P/Z Commission did recommend denial
of this and then they voted to reconsider it and will be
reconsidering at their September 7 meeting ..... It was
basically a design issue they decided they might be able to
resolve at the Commission level.
ITEM NO. 5b.
Public hearing on a resolution to annex a 3.05 acre
tract located north of American Legion Road and
west of Arlington Drive. (ANN94-0008)
Franklin/ P.h. on a resolution to annex 3.5 acres... Windsor
Ridge .... Weinsteins are back in town. Whether they will be
here tomorrow night or not, I don't know. I do have a protest
communication from them .... Also have a formal protest on a
protest form. This is not-they do not represent 20% of the
property, so 6 votes are not required for the rezoning on
this .....
ITEM NO. 5c.
ITEM NO. 5d.
Consider a resolution to annex a 3.05 acre tract
located north of American Legion Road and west of
Arlington Drive. (ANN94-0008)
Public hearing on an ordinance amending the Zoning
Chapter by changing the use regulations of a 3.05
acre tract located north of American Legion Road
and west of Arlington Drive from County RS,
Suburban Residential, to RS-5, Low Density Single-
Family Residential. (REZ94-0013)
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ITEM NO. 5e.
Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Chapter
by changing the use regulations of a 3.05 acre
tract located north of American Legion Road and
west of Arlington Drive from County RS, Suburban
Residential, to RS-5, Low Density Single-Family
Residential. (REZ94-0013) (FIRST CONSIDERATION)
ITEM NO. 5f.
Public hearing on an ordinance amending the Zoning
Chapter by changing the use regulations of an
approximate 29 acre tract of ].and located west of
Mormon Trek Boulevard and south of Rohret Road from
RS-5, Low Density Single-Family Residential, to
OPDH-8, Planned Development Housing Overlay.
(REZ95-0009)
Franklin/ Mormon Trek Village. There has been a bit of controversy
about this project .... Mormon Trek Village is a project which
includes 232 units as it has been revised ..... It is at the
location of Rohret Road and Mormon Trek Blvd ...... The project
is consistent with the C0mp Plan. It now meets the requirement
of the 8 dwelling units per acre ..... 118 of those would be in
duplexes and four-plexes or town houses and 114 in multi-
family structures. The intention of the developer is to
condominiumize this project so that all of the units would be
sold ..... When you approve the project you are approving the
structures and the units and not necessarily that they are
leased or sold. The streets within the project would be
private streets and let me put up the project, itself.
(Presents plat) ..... Shows... project... phasing... They are
private streets within the development. They are 25 feet wide
as opposed to our requirement of 28 feet for public
streets ..... It has met its open space obligation that 3/4
acre are dedicated to a trail and 1/4 acre equivalent will be
paid in fees .... This is a phased development .... First phase
includes these two units here (refers to plat)... and then the
town house duplex units along Mormon Trek here (refers to
plat). Phase 2, another two of the 12's and then continue with
the development on Mormon Trek and Rohret Road ..... Phase 3 is
this section (refers to plat) ..... Phase four we have two more
18's and then the remainder of the development ..... So that is
the idea behind of the housing is that mix of housing
structures and types is there ..... As a staff we have
supported this project since the beginning .... because we have
been looking at areas of the city where we could put slightly
high density ..... RS-8... We are not talking about high
density ..... potential for less expensive units ..... The
median price of s.f. housing... Iowa City .... $121,000. That
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seems high ..... One of the nice characteristics of this site
is the fact that it has arterials on two sides of it and the
interstate on the other side. Traffic that comes into this
development ..... will have access directly to arterial
streets. It will not be forced to go through any
neighborhood .....
Kubby/ Are there any units in the flood plain?
Franklin/ No ....
Larry Schnittjer/ (Can't hear).
Baker/ Talk about traffic .... (Can't hear).
Franklin/ I think it was this council when we terminated Aber
Avenue, didn't bring it across, and changed the name to Abbey
Lane. Jeff can talk about that a little bit more because I
want him to go over some of the traffic issues that we did
deal in... In this development there are conditions .... in the
CZA. One of them is that no more than 150 units will be built
until the Abbey Lane sewer is completed. That is scheduled for
FY97 .....
Nov/
But we are not talking about this year? There are references
in the staff report that said sewers are going to be done this
year.
Franklin/ Abbey Lane is scheduled for FY97 .... is what is in the
most current CIP that you haven't approved yet.
Nov/ We are talking about the completion rather than the start of
the sewer improvement?
Franklin/ Yes, it was construction in F¥97. We are in '96 now.
Nov/ There was a reference to the beginning of ...construction ....
Franklin/ Bottom line... with this condition, no more than 150
units can be completed until that sewer is done. 151 comes in
for a building permit and it is rejected if that sewer is not
done. What we have done in some other instances, we have put
limitations on development projects ..... where the building
permits could not be issued until the contracts was awarded
for the sewer improvements.
Horow/
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Franklin/ Out by Weber School. Second condition is the homeowners'
association is responsible for snow removal on sidewalks and
streets ..... There is a condition for payment for the sidewalk
on Rohret Road ..... Lastly that there be phased construction
which I have already explained to you. One of the issues I
know the council raised was the issue of the traffic signal at
Rohret and Mormon Trek ..... memo from Jeff Davidson regarding
that. Jim Brachtel...said the signal should be in fall of '95
or spring of '96 based upon whenever Rohret Road construction
is completed. That this signal serves the entire west side and
we do not feel that it would be equitable to charge a fee to
this particular development as a condition of rezoning. Now,
I would like to turn it over to Jeff ....
Horow/ .... What is the zoning for that triangle?
Franklin/ RS-5.
Horow/ ...Thank you.
Nov/ There was reference to a farm house on this property, is that
something that is movable?
Franklin/ The farm house is on the triangle that Susan is talking
about, I think .....
Nov/ There was a reference to moving a farm house .....
Gary Watts/ The house is extremely old. I can't answer right now if
it is salvageable ..... Our intent was to demolish it ....
because it is extremely old... willing to cooperate ....
Pigott/
Kubby/ Have somebody look at it to see if it is structurally sound
enough to move it ....
Gary Watts/
Horow/ What was your timing on when you wanted to get the house
demolished?
Watts/ I would say .... prior to start of dirt excavation .... early
spring.
Horow/ ...Have time for the Salvage Barn people-
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Watts/ .... I don't know if I can give you an exact date.
Mov/ ...we would like somebody form the city to go over and look at
it to see if it is movable.
Watts/ That is fine...
Throg/ Karin, what are the innovative features of this project for
Iowa City?
Franklin/ I think the mix within the single project is the unique
characteristic of this project in terms of what other ones we
have seen in Iowa City ...... Court and Scott also has
underground garages.
Throg/ ...curious about the narrowing of streets .... what the
effects on development costs are .... ? How much money is saved
by reducing the width from 28 to 25?
Franklin/ Maybe Larry can speak to some of that ....
Throg/ I am just real curious about that .... implications of using
narrow streets in the future for reducing development cost.
Kubby/ Interesting to figure out a percent decrease per place...
Schnittjer/ I don't have numbers off the top of my head ......
Lehman/ Are the 25 foot streets a matter of area and space or a
matter of cost?
Schnittjer/ In a lot of situations 25 foot streets are adequate ....
Lehman/ I think Wylde Green Road is 25 feet.
Schnittjer/ A good share of the southeast part of Iowa City .....
Lehman/
Schnittjer/ We are able to save a little bit on utilities ....
Throg/ Ernie, I thought I heard-There might be another way of
saving dollars on the project by reducing the width of
streets .... increasing the amount of developable land.
Schnittjer/ .... gives us more flexibility .....
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Pigott/ Did it help with the open space?
Schnittjer/ It helped us .....
Franklin/ Another aspect of this, if you don't have to have more
paving, why put it in? More impervious surface ..... It is
fairly isolated, in a sense, in terms of traffic .... no reason
for people to cut through here ..... You can do that in an area
where you are not going to have much cut through traffic .....
Kubby/
Franklin/ And you have a nice trail ....
Jeff Davidson/ We were able to... Larry and Gary both ..... As Karin
mentioned in both in working with the P/Z Commission and
interaction we have had with the neighborhood group, there are
a lot of concerns about traffic and this development. We took
a look at .... higher number of units .... Staff has felt we
have two arterial streets here .... We do project adequate
capacity on these streets ..... The portion to the south ....
that is going to be a constraint sooner ....
Horow/ Jeff .... why is Mormon Trek narrowed to two lanes?
Davidson/ That was a design decision made .....
Horow/ Is there any way for us to alter that?
Davidson/ Sure, that is a city street ..... What I have expressed to
the neighborhood association because they are clearly
concerned ..... I did provide them with some updated traffic
count numbers ..... we would show within ten years we would be
getting into a capacity constraint situation ...... In short
term we do think the development is appropriate ....
signalization ... we are comfortable...signalize that .....
Kubby/ What gets shifted around if we were to move this light
forward? .....
Davidson/ That is a $50,000 project ..... we have the ability to do
two traffic-
Kubby/ We have the CIP Plan... just a list of ones we need to do.
Davidson/ We know given the rate of development... we are going to
want to do a few ....
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Kubby/
Davidson/ There were three specific problems that we took a look
at ..... the intersection .... the other thing that was a
problem was the intersection of Highway 1 and Mormon Trek
Blvd ..... cut through traffic on Teg Drive .....
Kubby/
Davidson/ Anecdotal.
Kubby/ From people who live on Teg Drive?
Davidson/ Yeah. The traffic count that we have for Teg Drive would
not indicate-It is consistent with the amount of traffic we
would expect to have generated out of that neighborhood ....
Benton Street was also raised at P/Z Commission .... We
continue to show that as not a significant problem ..... Once
you get east of Sunset Street ..... there is already some peak
period problems there and we do forecast .... in short term to
be a capacity issue ..... That forecast includes traffic
generated from this site .....
Horow/ I have a question... Your looking at the bus route ....
circumferential bus route concept ..... (Refers to map) .....
Davidson/ The Plaen View route goes down Melrose, too. We changed
that routing ....
Horow/ There is no bus or is there that goes down Benton? With
increasing subdlvlolons, do we automatically plan on taking a
look at the bus routes?
Davidson/ This bus doesn't go down Benton. There is a bus that goes
down Benton ....
Horow/ There is a potential for connection ....
Davidson/ This project is access by the transit route that has the
lowest ridership right now .... perfect ..... you will have to
cross the street to get to the existing bus route .....
Pedestrian and bike accessibility will be enhanced by this
development ....
Kubby/ When do .... pedestrian automated signal? .....
Davidson/ I would think because of the school .....
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Kubby/ ...Because this is the second OPDH that originally came
through higher than the density of the underlying zone, does
an OPDH ...process... philosophy allow that?
Franklin/ Two things happening with this particular project. 1-
Increase in zoning from RS-5 to RS-8 and .... 0PDH Plan on
that. An OPDH Plan in and of itself does not increase the
density on a piece of property. It allows you to maximize the
density by clustering the units ..... Doesn't allow you to go
beyond the density in an underlying zone .....
Kubby/ How could we have two projects come to P/Z that have more?
Franklin/ Because in the RS-8 zone, if you have RS-8 zoning in
place, you may have up to 10 dwelling units per acre by right
under that zone. If you were to develop it at subdivision with
duplexes, you could have ten dwelling units per acre. The RS-8
signifies the s.f. development which is 8 dwelling units per
acre .....
Kubby/ With that... if someone comes in with that right .... how is
that against the Comp Plan?
Franklin/ The P/Z Commission has evaluated the OPDH... not only in
terms of what was permitted by the underlying zone but also
what that range of land use designation was on the Comp Plan
map and held very strictly to those numbers that are on the
land use designation from the Comp Plan map .....
Kubby/ .... we should very consistent about it ....
Franklin/ We certainly are now... we are taking that direction...
and we say to developers now you have to be in the 2-8.
Kubby/ I don't know if it is a topic that we need to clarify among
ourselves about those two particular zones .....
Franklin/ The 12 you won't get into that problem .....
Kubby/ I kind of feel like we should clarify some direction, not
tonight ....
Horow/
Kubby/ We haven't giving any direction .... may come to the same
conclusion.
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Baker/ ...Council reserve the right ..... to disagree with P/Z .....
Kubby/ If staff is going to start advising developers are a pre-
planning meeting .....
Franklin/ What we would tell people now is that if they go to P/Z
Commission with it and it is not 8 dwelling units per acre, it
is very unlikely they can get it out of the Commission with a
positive recommendation .....
Throg/ I think it would be wise to codify that instead of just
making it a matter of urging or suggestions from staff .....
It should be something that the council should indicate by
direction.
Franklin/ I think what it is is a matter of... how one interprets
the Comp Plan policy and how strictly one interprets that.
Kubby/ It is confusing for neighborhood groups who are reading the
Comp Plan ..... strange twists ....
Pigott/... could allow for ... a lot of confusion ....
Franklin/ Other thing you could do is change the RS-8 zone so that
there is not that little funny thing in there.
Nov/ That would be my preference.
Franklin/ .... you still could do only 8 dwelling units per acre.
Nov/ RS-8 means a maximum of 8? Or RM-12 means a maximum of 12 and
redo the law so it is no longer confusing.
Franklin/ We are in the process of re-doing the Comp Plan after the
Vision Statement .... This is obviously something we are going
to be very attentive to ..... There are a lot of things I think
we need to do differently with the land use map from what we
have now if we are in fact going to realize the vision.
Kubby/ If somebody could suggest during the Comp Plan discussion...
bringing this issue back up to clarify .... more clear to
everybody involved.
Franklin/ Do you wish to see any elevations of this project, the
buildings in this project?
Throg/ ...mixed of housing size, types and costs. I like that ....
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makes me wonder is about the availability of the inclusion of
public or subsidized housing within the project. What I am
just wondering... conversations with Gary about the
possibility of including some or small number of public
housing or subsidized housing units in this project ..... as a
prototype of future developments .... should include some
number of subsidized units ....
Kubby/ Gary and I had had some discussions .....
Franklin/ If it is a project in which all of the units are
owned .... put up local money... to buy a unit for public
housing .... Section 8 Program wouldn't work unless there were
going to be rental units in the project ....
Horow/ Another
developable
being built
question... Are any of these units at all
for people with disabilities...? Are they either
or capable of being modified?
Watts/ The 18-plex unit ..... they have elevators on
them...handicapped accessible .... then I have some ranch plans
in the duplexes ..... all one level... I am sure something can
be worked out.
Baker/ ..... Advantage of prototype... so many units being planned
at once... Lots of different ways to approach it.
Horow/ Are there any other questions? Let's move on ....
NO. 5g.
Public hearing on an amendment to City Code Title
14, Chapter 6, Article V, "Minor Modification
Procedures," to allow parking for persons with
disabilities in the front yard of a commercial zone
even when located adjacent to a residential zone.
Franklin/ P.h. on a minor modification ... to allow parking for
persons with disabilities in the front yard of a commercial
zone. Susam, would you just strike even from your comment
there .... This can occur in any commercial zone ..... Key here
is that it is for commercial zones approximate to residential
zones. Also the typography and shape of lot have to preclude
compliance with having it in the backyard or side.
Kubb¥/ Is that stated? .... those parameters?
Franklin/ Yes .... standards... towards the end of that section of
the code that gives the standards under which minor
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modifications are evaluated.
Kubby/
Franklin/
ITEM NO.
Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Chapter
by changing the use regulations of an approximate
250 acre property located north of 1-80 and west of
N. Dubuque Street from County A1, Rural, RS,
Suburban, and RS3, Suburban Residential, to P,
Public. (REZ94-0018) (Second consideration)
Franklin/ Second consideration on the rezoning for the water plant
site.
ITEM NO. 5i.
Consider an ordinance amending Title 14, Chapter 4,
"Land Control and Development," Article C,
"Historic Preservation Regulations," and Chapter 6,
"Zoning," Article J, "Overlay Zones" to allow the
City to designate historic landmarks and
conservation districts. (Second consideration)
Franklin/ Second consideration ....
ITEM };O.
Consider an ordinance vacating a 20-foot wide alley
located east of Gilbert Court and immediately north
of Lot 4 of Block 3, Lyon's Addition. (VAC95-0002)
(Pass and adopt)
Franklin/ Pass and adopt on the vacation ....
ITEM NO. 5k.
Consider an ordinance amending City Code Title 14,
Chapter 6, entitled "Zoning," Article S, entitled
"Performance Standards," Sections 10B and 10C, con-
cerning the location of underground storage tanks.
(Pass and adopt)
Franklin/ Pass and adopt on the storage tank legislation.
ITEM NO. 51.
Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance
by amending the use regulations of an approximate
103.86 acres, which includes the Highway 218/
Highway 1 interchange and property located in the
southwest quadrant of the interchange from County
RS, Suburban Residential, to CI-1, Intensive
Commercial. (REZ95-0011) (Pass and adopt)
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Franklin/ I am going to ask you to defer this to September 12 until
we hear from the City Development Board on the annexation. We
have to have the annexation completed before we can actually
zone it.
I~EM NO. 5m. Consider a resolution approving amendments to the
by-laws of the Planning and Zoning Commission.
Franklin/ Last item is to consider a resolution approving
amendments to the bylaws of the P/Z Commission.. deals with
unexpired term issue .... We have deleted morals form the
general welfare statement.
Council/ (All commenting).
Franklin/ Just to update you on the Burns/Greater Iowa City
Project.. You probably all of heard that the P/Z commission
has deferred this to allow you time to resolve the direction
that you would like to give on housing issues and the deferral
is to no later than March '96 ....
Baker/ And the money is still in limbo?
Franklin/ Yeah... the money is still allocated to Burns/Greater
Iowa City Housing Fellowship and we are asking them to make
every effort... by November 1 or there abouts we are going to
need to look at reallocation of that money if we are going to
be able to spend it in time. I don't know if you have received
the letter yet... from HUD. We have until May 31. That is
tight to do any kind of new project ..... One thing I wanted to
insure is we made every effort to get as many units as we
could out of that money because we started out with $300,000
leveraging... supporting 133 affordable units and leveraging
more ..... Now it is just getting less and less .....
Horow/ Are you taking the Housing and Community Development
Commission bylaws?
Franklin/ It is a council issue.
Karr/ Before you move on I would just like to clarify the P/Z
Commission got a memo from Melody on that amendment. On the
unexpired terms does differ from the language of the other
Boards and Commissions where it is specific to a six month
unexpired term and the language for the other commissions
after Rules Committee discussion on it and after Legal review
was unexpired terms in general rather than specific to six
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months° This is a little different language I wanted to point
out.
Kubby/ ...to be consistent among all Boards and Commissions ....
Franklin/ I doubt, Jane correct me if I am wrong, that this is a
big deal for the Commission.
Karr/ I believe Melody said Tom felt very strong about that ....
yes.
Jane Jacobsen/ I am the example. I was appointed for a three year
term and if you left it open ended it could have been extended
to 8 years.
Kubby/ Our intent of the Rules Committee was we were thinking of
six months.
Jacobsen/ Six months is reasonable.
Kubby/ Are there other Commission, Marian, when you changed their
bylaws to say unexpired? How come we didn't catch that ....
Karr/ It came after review from the City Attorney's office and
after the Rules Committee and it was revised on the floor.
Nov/ It was ale0 (can't hear).
Horow/ There are two conversations going on here- Karen and Linda,
hold it a minute ....
Nov/ Well-
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Nov/ We wanted the flexibility to do it anyway.
Kubby/ And it says may, correct?
Nov/ As far as I know it should say-
Karr/ Yes, yes it does. That was the recommendation.
Kubby/ (Can't hear).
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Housing and Community DeveloDment Commission Bylaws 95-99 S2
Nov/ I would like to suggest something on the bylaws for the
Housing Community Development. In Section C I think we should
delete, "New members shall be appointed to the Commission as
vacancies occur." This seems to me to be self evident .... not
necessary to state it and it implies that current members
cannot be reappointed. Also there are two extra prepositions
I would like to take out, a "for" and an "of" ..... And in
Section F it says "if a position/appointment becomes vacant."
I would like us to use just one word ..... get with Marian...
Horow/ Okay, anyone have anything else. Section C... something that
the Rules Committee discussed and we disagreed on and brought
it back and that is "Agendas shall be sent to commission
members and city council representative at least three days
prior to regular meetings." I would like to suggest either
deletion of "and city council representative" of the inclusion
then to anyone who so requests it .... page 2, Article 5,
section C.
Kubby/ I would like to suggest that since- There may not have been
officially a history of CCN liaison but there is one until
January of 1996 which at that point it will be reevaluated
..... The appointment is there in its official capacity until
that evaluation time. That it should stay in the bylaws of
this new Commission and if in January they decide not to have
an official liaison, could delete it at that time.
Horow/
Kubby/ It is not that important .... current thing until council
changes it policy.
Horow/
Baker/ I was never clear on what the policy was to begin with.
Kubby/ Official appointment... CCN liaison .... The agreement was
that we would evaluate it if that was necessary. So the policy
is that we have it until January '96.
Horow/ This is where the Rules Committee disagreed on this .... My
point is that it was not... official .... It was a concurrence
by a request by a council member ..... It was repeated each
year... There is a memo .... Very interesting .... have created
more as we have gone along ....
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Kubby/ Some have been requests from the community.
Baker/ .... I never thought about this distinction about official
and unofficial liaison versus representative.
Horow/
Baker/ I don't think we should have, unless we are required ....
official representatives to any of the Commissions.
Horow/
Kubby/ That is not the issue before us .... staff knows that I want
to get them .... If you feel better about not having it in
..... Trying to be consistent with what was decided two years
ago ....
Nov/
It is interesting to me that we have decided that we would
reevaluate in two years in 1992 and I don't remember us ever
discussing the value of this in 1994. Do you remember that?
Pigott/ No .... I am not attached to official representation ..... I think flexibility ....
Horow/ While we are creating brand new bylaws ..... so they
understand .... That there is no question that anyone who wants
the agenda can get it... 2-there really isn't an official city
council representative .....
Kubby/ Sue feels very strongly about it ....
Throg/ ...better to have a Commission representative attend each of
the council meetings ....
Horow/
Council/ (All talking).
Horow/ Any other issues under any other articles?
Karr/ So,
Council/
Nov/
do you wish this to leave it for tomorrow evening?
(Yeah).
I would like us to make a decision about deleting either
position or appointments at the top of page 2.
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Kubby/ Let's delete positions because we make appointments.
Karr/ Stay with appointments?
Horow/ Yeah.
Nov/
Horow/What about Section C under Article 4, "New members shall be
appointed to the Commission as vacancies occur?"
Nov/ I would like to delete that sentence ....
Horow/ All right.
Kubby/ And no one has a problem with us deleting evening (can't
hear).
Karr/ Naomi, we will talk about that afterwards.
Nov/ I will show you what I have. The idea of letting each
Commission choose the time of their meeting is the way I would
like to leave it.
Horow/ Okay, great.
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Broadway Street Housing Project Update 95-99 S2
Horow/ Broadway Street Housing Project Update.
Boothroy/ .... last chance to have an opportunity to get one for one
replacement and to get additional funds from HUD to provide
additional public housing ..... I talked to HUD on several
occasions .... bottom line was .... wasn't going to be any
money available for us for one for one replacement. The best
thing to do was to consider amending it and use the funds from
the disposition of Broadway to provide replacement housing.
One of the criteria they use to evaluate the disposition of
public housing is that when you dispose of public housing you
don't reduce the amount of low income housing and that you
also provide additional housing .... That criteria is being met
because transitional housing is serving a lower income
group ..... Proceeds from sale would purchase, build, etc.
additional public housing. The difference between this
disposition plan .... and the previous one is the other one was
wrapped in in trying to get replacement units .... specific
parameters .... Once we are in a situation where we are using
the proceeds from Broadway we have a great deal more
flexibility in how we proceed with the use of money as long as
this is being used to provide additional housing. I am
suggestion in the memo that if you choose to proceed with the
sale of Broadway to HACAP and wish me to submit an amended
disposition plan, that I construct that plan to provide the
greatest flexibility ..... all the things that I put here in
the memo in terms of things that we can look at as far as how
we are going to go about maximizing the funds that we have.
The second page of the memo indicates that the appraised value
is $750,000 but that is the value that we are selling to HACAP
for. That would be the amount of money that we would have to
use... building or acquiring public housing. But it would meet
the criteria ...... There are possibly other funds available.
There are some MATCH funds. There may be some additional funds
that might be available. First thing we have to decide is
whether or not you want me to proceed with re-submitting the
disposition plan so that we can execute the sale with HACAP
..... That is what we are here tonight to decide.
Horow/ Any questions for Doug?
Council/ (All talking).
Lehman/ When would this sale take place?
Boothroy/ Our schedule had been to sell Broadway in October.
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Lehman/ To me I am interested in what we discussed the last part of
September .....
Pigott/ Doug, would this plan allow for moving houses or buying a
lot...?
Boothroy/ It allows you to do about anything you want with regard
to providing public housing ..... What you have to do is when
you write the plan is to make it as broad as possible in terms
of ...public housing ...... I would also include... possibly
located outside of the community ..... 28E agreement with other
community .....
Horow/
Boothroy/ That is what a 28E agreement is for is to purchase land
outside of the- That is not a problem .....
Nov/ Where do we estimate that we are going to get $600,000 in
order to do this?
Boothroy/ I talked to Don about it... and Steve about it... Those
funds are available. The principle and interest on the
$750,000 actually reimburses the city for the $608,000 plus
the carrying costs ..... You can ask Steve.
Nov/ Tell me, where do we get $600,000?
Arkins/ We don't have $600,000 sitting around. We have all of our
reserve money invested. What I would propose to do is this
amount of money .... sell short term note ..... Might go to our
cash reserves for a portion of it ..... can package it
financially ..... We could borrow, we could use our own ....
Nov/ We cannot sell bonds for this?
Atkins/ Yes you could ..... This is a small enough issue that
I suspect that we could do that .....
Lehman/ Why are we financing this instead of HACAP going elsewhere?
Atkins/ As I understand the arrangement with HACAP was made some
time ago ..... Why not have them come up with the cash?
Lehman/ Yes.
Boothroy/ I talked to Don about this and Craig. I think we
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concluded that whether the bank did this or the city loan the
money and charge HACAP interest, it was basically a wash ....
It didn't seem to make a lot of difference for the City's
perspective since it was viewed as a long term investment ....
Maybe HACAP also has some constraints there, too, .....
Atkins/ We repay ourselves at market rate ..... Not going to lose
money on the deal.
Nov/ My concern is if we sell bonds and pay an interest rate, do we
then get enough interest back from HACAP to repay the bonds as
we go?
Atkins/ I haven't calculated that.
Boothroy/ My understanding is we will.
Atkins/... we don't lose money on the thing .....
Lehman/ Is there any risk here?
Atkins/ There is always risk .....
Boothroy/ The rent they receive on the units, they are going to be
eligible for certificates and that will guarantee an income.
Atkins/
Boothroy/ As long as they have those units filled, they will be
getting rent .....
Atkins/
Baker/ Let's say we had a large scale residential development...
and they were going to phase in those units over a period of
time but they were willing to cooperate with the city in this
sort of program and commit to selling to the city... X number
of units .... units wouldn't be constructed immediately. Can
you commit money for stuff that is not technically-
Boothroy/ There isn't the same kind of deadline on this as there
was under the-The replacement program that grant had to be
extended within a 24 month period. This one does not have that
kind of deadline... you could take 3-4 years to totally use up
the money... phase it in ..... Yes, it could be done that way.
The only drawback... is that the construction costs... have
been going up quite rapidly .....
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Baker/ I was thinking in terms of a commitment
developer.
Horow/ And you want from us this evening?-
Boothroy/ To tell me to go ahead or not.
Horow/ You have got it .....
Go for it. Thanks.
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Economic Development Policies, Strategies, and Action
Horow/
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Kubby/ Can I make a suggestion. We spent a lot of time on one item.
That we should try real hard not to do that ..... try to get
through this whole document .....
Baker/ It looks like three council members have specific
suggestions and it doesn't seem like the rest of the document
was in question .....
Nov/
I would like to start by saying let's eliminate all of the
actions. Let's deal with a plan that has policies and
strategies and keep it as simple and generic as possible.
Baker/ Can I ask where the action statements came from?
Franklin/ .... this is something that we have been talking about for
about a year now in this form. What we are trying to do is get
passed the very generalized statements that we have .... People
have a much better idea of the direction that this city is
going in terms of economic development. That was the reason we
moved from just policies and goals to strategies and actions.
This is what we are going to do... have something that we can
work with ....
Baker/ Where did the action statements come from? .....
Franklin/ It was primarily council and staff. You directed us to
come up with a policy .... we then put in the action statements
Baker/ So there has been some public review of the action
statements?
Franklin/ Absolutely.
Kubby/ (Can't hear).
Horow/ All right, there are four people who wish to keep the action
statements in.
Franklin/ ...I see there are basically three issues that have been
raised here... go through the documents .... suggestions...
reach resolution on each one as we go through it with a goal
of having something at the end of our discussion tonight that
will be subject to public discussion tomorrow. The three
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issues that I see...1-What policies are in here that are
clearly not city responsibilities that you mey or may not wish
to delete. 2-Formation of a commission or committee to
recommend designation of targeted industries and criteria for
financial incentives .... 3-The repayment provision or clawback
if companies who receive assistance do not meet their
obligations.
Horow/... Anybody have any problem with that one?
Franklin/ Repayment?
Lehman/ What happens if they 95% fulfill? .....
Franklin/ Before we talk about that, let's go ....
Kubby/ May be another issue ..... statements that say we are going
to establish this... coordination .... I don't necessarily
think that in each of these cases that we are the point
person-institution .....
Franklin/ Do you have all of them marked, Karen?
Kubby/ I have them .....
Franklin/ Let's just start then. I-Do we want a preamble or
introduction as Naomi suggested?
Nov/ I am not wedded to those words ....
Throg/ I felt myself disagreeing with a portion of the preamble ....
Let me toss out some language... My main point... policy will
be-you basically say to encourage job growth and then other
policies will encourage this, that, and the other thing. So
what I found myself wanting to say... Our policy will be to.
provide a good quality of life for all Iowa Citians in a
ecological sustainable way. That would include directing job
growth to areas already zoned commercial, ....... The main
change I am suggesting is simply to say our policy will be to
provide a good quality of life for all Iowa Citians in an
ecological sustainable way and then with the language to make
it fit.
Lehman/ ...I don't think we can say that we can provide a good
quality of life... or environment where this will occur as a
goal.
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Throg/ Provide an environment in which a good quality of life for
all Iowa Citians can occur in an ecologically sustainable
way .... To provide within which a good quality of life for all
Iowa Citians can occur in an ecological sustainable way that
would include directing job growth ..... I can get them to
Karin.
Franklin/ Okay, so that preamble as amended would become part of
this document.
Nov/ And I would like to stress where we seem to accept... some
kind of financial incentive as a given. I don't agree with
that and therefore the preamble that I feel strongly about is
that economic development policy may include financial
incentives .....
Kubby/ Do we want to use the word "criteria" as the last sentence
in this preamble?
Nov/ ......
Kubby/ I know there has been some criticism of using that word...
Horow/
Lehman/ I don't have a problem with criteria .....
Franklin/ Policy 1, Strategy B, Action 2.
Kubby/ Strategy A, Action 2, the
establish a marketing plan..."
$50,000.
last sentence, "... and help
..... that is why we give ICAD
Franklin/ Okay.
Kubby/ .... Action 3, "...and assist in the performance of .... " ....
Franklin/ The first part we definitely do now .....
Nov/ .... Assist in various economic analysis.
Franklin/ Okay.
Horow/ Strategy B, Action 2.
Kubby/ Keeping this in I think is a interesting radical move
because it is basically kind of political social
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education ....
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I think we should have a part in this kind of
Lehman/ I think we need to provide the perception that the city and
business and industry are a friendly coalition .....
Horow/ Is there a way to word this... that does into say we take
the lead in this sort of thing?
Throg/ Help-
Lehman/ Help increase-
Franklin/ Okay? .....
Nov/ There is a real question about whether this is a city role?
Horow/ ...I would rather have the words "help with" at the very
beginning .....
Council/ (All talking).
Nov/ Take out "through community education efforts" and say "Help
increase public awareness."
Horow/ -promote public awareness.
Franklin/ What did we do? Promote public awareness?
Nov/ Right.
Franklin/ Want to say promote public awareness of the role of
business in the community." ..... Help promote .... public
awareness...
Horow/ ... how about assist in the ....
Franklin/
Kubby/ Wait, Action 3 I have another change. Instead of saying
coordinate, say cooperate in community efforts ..... We want
ICAD and the Chamber to be the primary people but we want to
play a larger role than we have and the language-
Pigott/ Cooperation.
Horow/ Sounds like Rick has been talking to Karen.
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Kubby/ No, not at all.
Franklin/ Strategy C...notion of having incentives... criteria for
financial incentives... Jim, you agree that this strategy
could go under Policy 6.
Throg/ Yeah .... move to Policy 6 .....
Nov/ I really think it doesn't belong under this first part.
Lehman/
Kubby/ So will we be looking at this specific language later?
Throg/ Something very similar to it .... talk about it ...Policy 6.
Horow/ Policy 2-
Franklin/ Action 2 & 3... Naomi questioned the role of the city in
these two endeavors.
Throg/ I want to disagree .... A person ... already what strategies
to pursue... where to look .... I would say there is more of a
structural issue .... mix of jobs are not suitable to the kinds
of people who are in the town... There is a public role for
trying to deal with that structural .....
Nov/ That is not what it says.
Kubby/ The two actions are different.
Franklin/ Let's do 2 first .....
Kubby/ I would agree with Jim on #2 but I could delete #3 .... I
would like to leave #2 as is.
Horow/ City's role with Chamber and ICAD in working with local
employers addresses the whole health of our economic status in
the city ..... So we are participating with the Chamber and
ICAD but not taking a lead in this.
Lehman/
Baker/ I tend to agree with Naomi .... I see a role for us in
working with local employers to help them meet their labor
needs~
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Franklin/ ...what we need in terms of zoning.. Bruno, you brought
it up in saying what do we have in the labor force .... If we
don't have a labor force... maybe we should be zoning ORP
rather than I-1. So that is how we got into looking at ....
find out for themselves, to find out what they do need. It was
trying to match labor with jobs.
Kubby/ ...to say to determine local employer labor needs ....
Nov/ We are talking about zoning .....
Horow/
Nov/ ....
Pigott/ What about looking at labor forces .... to determine what
sort of economic opportunities we need to bring to Iowa City.
Nov/ That is the Action 1. I am not arguing about that one. I am
arguing about Action 2.
Lehman/ Aren't all of these things what we are paying ICAD to do?
Pigott/ Of course.
Franklin/ I don't know that ICAD's responsibility has been
identified as identifying the labor force and doing a lot of
work with the labor force. But more going out and seeing ....
Atkins/ (Can't hear).
Lehman/ How can you recruit without knowledge of a local labor
force? I would think you would have that information.
Kubby/ That is an assumption.
Throg/ A big difference between knowing what the skills of a
current labor force are ..... and knowing what that current
pool of laborers needs in the way of better job opportunities.
Atkins/ (Can't hear) .... implies some sort of a cooperative
partnership effort .... work with them ....
Horow/ Indicate that future councils would have the ability to
perhaps increase what is paid to ICAD to increase ICAD's
ability to work with local .....
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Atkins/
Franklin/ Does it give ICAD more direction?
Horow/ It definitely will give ICAD more direction.
Franklin/ You may want to leave it just for that.
Horow/ All right. Are there four people who would like to leave it?
Baker/ .... We can work with them to help meet those needs ....
Council/
Nov/ I think they do not need the help of city government .... to
fulfill their labor needs.
Baker/ That is why I suggested help local employers meet their
labor needs which is half of this .....
Nov/ I don't think they need our help .... I really question how the
city can have a role ....
Throg/ I am more concerned about finding ways in which we can help
underemployed individuals find better jobs than I am concerned
with helping local employers determine their labor needs.
Kubby/ ....
Baker/ I am maybe just totally misreading this.
Kubby/ The way it is written here is that we have kind of a social
agency to help people find more appropriate job opportunities
.... find out what are the kinds of jobs to help people become
less underemployed and how do we figure that out .... That is
the value behind I believe what is there ....
Baker/ The whole goal of the whole document is to bring in better
jobs.
Nov/ That is what the preamble ....
Kubby/ .... target .... energies ....
Nov/ You are hearing the words develop a mechanism ....
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Kubby/ I am looking at the values.
Pigott/ Could you repeat what you said? ....
Kubby/ .....
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Horow/ May I suggest you look at Strategy A, Action 3, Policy 1
Throg/ That is kind of a statistical analysis ....
Kubby/ In Policy 2
force .....
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we are specifically talking about the labor
Pigott/ I think everyone agrees that the words in Action 3 are not
correct .... The intent may be something we want to save.
Baker/
Kubby/
Pigott/ I just cut out Action 3 because I think everyone here says
Action 3...is something none of us want.
Horow/ Wait a minute .....
Schoon/ The intent of it was we need to find out who these
underemployed people are so we can find the type of job that
will make them less underemployed ..... If we have a lot of
people with certain backgrounds .....
Nov/ Then we should say we should work at attracting jobs for
underemployed individuals.
Kubby/ .... The action here is that we need to assess what jobs
will help underemployed ..... Do people agree with the
sentiment of that?...
Lehman/ I don't think I do. I think that is not a function of
government at all. I think if I am a business and I can find
a group of underemployed people that have the kind of
skills .... market says here are people that can work in my
industry .... That is the driving force ....
Pigott/ ...It is part of our government structure... proactive as
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to what jobs... to bring to Iowa City ..... So what we are
saying is how do you determine which ones ICAD wants to bring
in.
Lehman/ I have no problem of getting the demographics of how many
and what their skills are. Beyond that I don't know that we
have a function.
Nov/ I think those demographics are not yet available .....
underemployment isn't even discussed ....
Baker/ ...The intent of this action is somehow clarify the range of
skills .... that are underutilized and then use that as a
tool... I have no problem with that ....
Nov/
Franklin/ ...eliminate Action 2 & 3 and under #1 put "Work with the
Local Work Force Center (Job Service) and other sources to
identify the local education and training background of the
local labor force including the underemployed."
Nov/ Okay.
Pigott/ All right.
Lehman/
Throg/ Let me ask a question. Do we want to be instructing ICAD...
to be recruiting new businesses or helping existing business
expand in such a way as to provide improved job opportunities
for currently underemployed persons? Do we want to be doing
that?
Lehman/ Yes .we do.
Baker/ .... I would have always assumed
City... kind of jobs that we want
reward education and high skills.
that ICAD looked at Iowa
to attract are jobs that
Throg/ That is pretty broad.
Baker/ ..... That would have been a goal of ICAD.
Lehman/
Baker/
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Horow/ Can we move on?
Throg/ Do we want to state something like what I just did .... a new
Action 2?
Franklin/ Everything that is in here should be taken by ICAD .... as
direction. Every single statement. I don't know that it is
necessary to state specifically that they should be looking
for-
Throg/ Delete the words ICAD then and just say recruit new business
and help existing businesses expand in such a way as to
provide new job opportunities for currently underemployed
persons.
Lehman/
Baker/
Horow/ Are there four people who wish to include another action
step?
Franklin/ Probably is another strategy .... That a Strategy C,
under the policy of increasing employment opportunities would
be to recruit what you said.
Kubby/ Would you say it one more time please?
Throg/ Recruit new businesses or help existing businesses expand in
such a way as to provide improved job opportunities for
currently underemployed persons.
Nov/ Sounds like a re-wording of Strategy B ......
Pigott/ The difference is the emphasis on the underemployed.'
Kubby/
Pigott/ It is different from Action 1.
Baker/ I don't see Strategy B dealing with underemployment.
Nov/
Pigott/
Baker/
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Franklin/ 2 & 3 eliminate and Action 1 amended.
Nov/ And #4 became ~2.
Horow/
Pigott/ ..... I think there is a difference between working with the
Local Work Force Center and ICAD actually going out ....
Kubby/ Isn't there another section about targeting industry .....
Kubby/ Under #2 I have another help, the new #2, the last clause
..... to say" .... help provide."
Nov/ That is fine.
Lehman/ I think those are very good points.
Horow/ Strategy B-
Franklin/ #1. Okay. #2-
Kubby/ Naomi's inclusion is a very good suggestion.
Pigott/ I agree.
Franklin/ Okay. No change in 3. #4-
Baker/ I have the same reservation about that as I had with the
other one......
Throg/ Do we currently work with any local educational
institutions? ....
Kubby/ Yes we do about recycling .... So we do do that ..... Why is
#3 okay but #4 not.
Nov/ I am questioning whether or not this is a city role. I can see
that the school systems have already been working with the
Chamber .... already have been working with local
businesses .... They are doing these kinds of things ....
Kubby/ ..... We want to encourage that .... promote.
Nov/ There is an implication that they are not doing that now ....
B,4.
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Franklin/
Nov/ Continue is one thing and develop is another .....
Horow/
Throg/
Horow/ How could we put this-Would you be willing to use the words
encourage? ....
Throg/ Using the word encourage instead of work with, sure, that
would be fine and to continue or-
Franklin/ Do you want to say all educational levels?
Baker/ ...we have already got University in Action 2 is what I am
saying .....
Nov/ ...The University capitalizes the T in The.
Horow/ Can we get through Strategy B here?
Franklin/ And we will add Jim's?
Horow/ Yes, "to encourage the local" and to "continue" or develop"
Franklin/ The whole thing says "Encourage local educational ..... to
continue or develop curricula .... "
Baker/ Are we including the double underlined?
Franklin/ Yes.
Horow/
Nov/ I
Baker/
Horow/
Throg/
Horow/
Franklin/
Yes, everybody except Ernie.
am not so comfortable either with this one.
I think this is a very modest suggestion ....
Policy 3.
In Action 2 & 3 forget those notes ..... Action 4 .....
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Throg/ When Naomi and I were talking about this... proposed Action
4 was redundant... Surely be happy to take it out..° didn't
sense it was redundant.
Nov/ This is a zoning development kind of thing that is industrial
commercial encouragement kind of thing ..... This is not a
policy which is specifically created for industrial and
commercial development.
Kubby/ The important part of this is the however part .....
Nov/ Then this belongs in the criteria section of Policy 6 that we
may choose to require this. We may not choose to require this.
It just isn't a given that we are going to do it.
Baker/
Throg/
Horow/
Franklin/ You should be aware we do not have an out of sequence
policy for commercial (can't hear). That is for residential
development. So-
Nov/ I still think it belongs in Policy 6 if we are going to do it
at all.
Horow/ Strategy A, in Policy 6 ........ I am saying your Action 4,
Strategy A, Policy 3 really is covered under Policy 6.
Franklin/ It is reverse approach ..... In what Jim has suggested is
that the norm is that industry and commerce will pay their own
way if it is out of sequence.
Throg/ Unless those businesses meet the criteria...in which case we
would provide an incentive by way of funding part of the
infrastructure.
Nov/ I don't agree .....
Throg/ I would delete the word should and put in the word may .....
Baker/
Pigott/ I don't have any problems where it is ....
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Nov/ Move it to 6.
Franklin/ Move the whole thing as is with the may?
Kubby/ Our normal policy does not mention industry
with out of sequence development ....
Horow/
or commercial
Franklin/ In the Comp Plan, out of sequence, the phasing is only
for residential development. I think what you are saying...if
there are capital improvements that are necessary that are not
already programmed that businesses will have to pay for those
extensions unless they are meeting ..... We will work with
that.
Pigott/ That is fine with me.
Franklin/ So rather than referencing out of sequence development we
will talk about capital improvements program, the need for
capital improvements.
Throg/ All right, so you are going to have to tinker with that
language .... Policy 3, Strategy A, Action 4 move to Policy 6
as a new Action 4.
Baker/
Throg/ Where it goes is trivial .....
Franklin/ And "may assume". Okay. No more on that page. Page 5-
Lehman/ Policy 3, B, Action 1. Could we state this in a positive
manner instead of a negative manner? Instead of using the word
"prevent" use -
Franklin/ "Use zoning as a tool to encourage commercial development
within designated cormmercial cores."
Good. Wonderful.
Thank you very much.
Strategy C, Action 6.
I like it.
Throg/
Kubby/
Horow/
Throg/
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Horow/
Throg/
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Council/
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like it.
All right. Strategy D, Action 1, page 5 .....
Office Research Park should probably be Parks.
(All talking).
Policy 4, Strategy A, Action 1. Okay?
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Horow/ I don't see anything wrong with it.
Franklin/ Strategy C. You have two versions here.
Kubby/ I like the specific version better .....
Lehman/ Can we put help on that one?
Nov/
Pigott/ Entrepreneurs and businesses are a lot different depending
on what kind of business it is .....
(All talking).
Baker/
Nov/
Council/
Horow/
Pigott/
Nov/
Kubby/
I think there is a difference between a business and an
entrepreneur ....
I would like us to deal with an organization rather than an
individual entrepreneur or an individual business.
Therefore ..... Deal with a group of folks rather than an
individual.
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Baker/ There is a real and semantic difference between... business
and labor... There are other citizen organizations out
there ..... that may or may not be appropriate. Just citizen
organizations will cover some of those other things.
Kubby/ Labor, consumer and citizen groups .....
Nov/ Put in the help-
Franklin/ Got help .....
Horow/
Lehman/
Franklin/ Page 7, Action 5. I don't think that changes anything
substantively.
Throg/ #5 & 6 ......
Kubby/ ...what the strategy is .... Aren't both 5 & 6 a repeat of
what Policy 4 is?
Lehman/ Yes.
Kubby/ Why do we need to say it again?
Franklin/ So delete 5?
Horow/ 5 & 6.
Kubby/
Throg/ ...we should indicate what action we should take to develop
and enhance a means of communication among these various
groups ..... If we do, what do we want them to do... we should
probably say what we want them to do... Do we want to create
a specific task force of some kind?
Franklin/ Can we agree to delete #5?...
Nov/ Yeah.
Horow/ ..... We have not been as specific in the other actions.. we
have left that to evolve into the various policies and
strategies .....
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Pigott/ .... I would like to see us establish .... some sort of
process... criteria .... but also to exchange information ....
supportive of that ..... Establishing a group to discuss ....
and to share information...
Franklin/ What is the difference between Action 6 on page 7 and
Policy 6, Strategy A, Action 1 on page 5.
Throg/ In Policy 4 the point is to facilitate co~unication to an
array of groups. The second thing... there are a couple of
tasks that we might want to have a specific group for .... One
of those tasks appears in Policy 6 ..... The only other
apparent task is to help identify targeted industries .....
Kubby/ .... it needs that extra step...
Franklin/ Why don't you discuss whether you want to form a group or
not ..... Just talk about whether you want to create a
committee, commission... That is a question that you have to
answer for yourselves ....
Kubby/... parameters on which we provide assistance.. That is one
task I would like a group to do .....
Baker/ We ought to have... ad hoc group to put together suggestions
to us .... I am very comfortable with that ....
Horow/
Kubby/
Pigott/ In the end we are the final deciders.
Baker/ ..... diverse group of people who have worked together...
Horow/ Economic development .... comes as situations present
themselves .... I don't care to have that being dragged out.
Kubby/ The purpose of the co~umittee is .... to be proactive to help
us develop parameters .... have them on the front end .... They
know up front what all the rules of the games are .....
Baker/
Nov/ These policies and incentives are set by the city council. We
can put in an ad hoc citizens committee .... that will
recommend these criteria ....
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Kubby/ ..Up to us to adopt these things .....
Horow/ ...seemed to me rather than prolonging the process...
Pigott/ ...other times...process is facilitated by a group of a
broad spectrum of people .....
Baker/ ......
Horow/
Lehman/ I would oppose the creation of any permanent committee ....
I would like the input from ICAD, Chamber ...... University
..... If we do this we give them a definite time frame.
Kubby/ .... Only Sue that didn't agree ....
Franklin/ There is a majority that favors formation of an ad hoc
broad base committee to address the issues of at least
criteria and maybe targeted industries. I think that would be
most appropriately placed in Policy 6 ....
Kubby/ .... other thing was agreed to a couple of weeks ago.
Nov/ I would prefer to delete Action 6.
Baker/ I would also .....
Kubby/ Maybe Jim could talk about what would be the end result of
Action 6. What is that we want to come from that...
Throg/ ..~ At one point we were proposing the idea of creating a
commission, a permanent ..... Clear that there was not a
majority .... Action 6, simply the idea of creating a temporary
organization or group that would provide a forum for
conversation among those diverse groups and then produce two
specific products. 1-Identifying targeted industry .... 2-
Coming up with criteria. If Action 6 can best be moved to
Policy 6, fine.
Kubby/ Adding issue of ad hoc committee .....
Throg/
Franklin/
Kubby/ Even if we just add targeted industries into Policy 6 where
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the ad hoc committee is mentioned .... gets at the end point.
Throg/ ...the philosophy that underlies this. This community is
conflicted over its economic development approach... many
different views about that ..... many of those conflicts can be
worked out .... Idea is to work through the conflict and then
to develop a proposal behind which there is a broad based
coalition of support .....
Baker/ What they will begin with is this whole document ....
Franklin/ Okay, so we are moving this to 6? Okay.
Lehman/ This group will not be really like the ICAD Board.
Pigott/ Broader.
Kubby/ .... be able to direct ICAD ..... these are the types of
industry ....
Horow/ Only aspect of this... we are one of a number of
contributors to ICAD .....
Kubby/ If an industry comes to Iowa City... they should expect they
will probably not be provided public assistance ....
Horow/ ...they will go elsewhere ....
Baker/ If you believe that those are the criteria for public
assistance ....
Nov/
Franklin/ Policy 5, Strategy C.
Nov/ A criteria to be developed by a committee.
Kubby/ I agree.
Throg/ ...I would like to argue that we should suggest criteria
..... it would be appropriate for us to suggest some criteria.
Kubby/ On top of page 9 ..... Encourage energy and resource
efficiency is on page $ .... those things are mentioned ....
Baker/ My ¢oncern..oreward ..... I have a question about Policy 5 in
general which is the city government itself has a very good
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Baker/
Kubby/
Nov/ It could be .....
Horow/ ..o
Throg/ I would think that we
programs that help both
renters ....
Horow/
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energy conservation specialist and are we going to be in a
position of giving free services to businesses to help achieve
these other things ....
...financial incentives may be advice ....
.... Jim.. could be doing what they ought to be doing ....
indeed would want to establish
businesses and homeowners and
Concept I agree with ....
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Lehman/ Business is going to build in Iowa City .... They are going
to build that building as efficiently as they possibly
can .....
Nov/
Throg/ There is a lot of literature that says that larger firms do
in fact have a great deal have a great deal of expertise and
do in fact invest a lot of money in energy efficiency. But is
the smaller firms ....
Lehman/ .,. we are talking about increasing present businesses ....
Baker/ ...use of our expertise in solving private business
problems.
Lehman/ I don't think we should do that.
Baker/
Kubby/ It is mostly for in-house.
Throg/ I have one suggestion .... economic development... to get
local businesses and residences here to invest in energy
efficiency because it keeps money in the local community
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rather than having to flow outside to pay for ... oil...
Baker/
Throg/ So we are going to delete Strategy C?
Nov/ Yes.
Franklin/ Policy 6, ..... Action 1 as it was written we are going
to delete and instead put in some version of this Action 1. I
would suggest as a start we say "Through creation of an ad hoc
committee involving organization. Then you have to say
something about the targeted- How about before develop say
designate targeted industries and develop criteria to be used.
We are in page 9, Strategy B, Action 1, version 2, double
underlined. "Through creation of an ad hoc committee,
involving organizations identified in Policy 4 ..... designate
targeted industries and develop criteria to be used when the
city .... in a target industry."
Throg/ Fine.
Kubby/ Because of our previous discussion we don't necessarily need
the rest.
Pigott/ Yeah, I agree.
Franklin/ Because they will go back.
Baker/ Repayment, where would that go?
Throg/ It could just follow right on after targeted industries.
Baker/
Pigott/
Throg/ On Policy 1 is where I had proposed a Strategy C. Is that
right? And then we talked about talking about talking about
that later... Policy 6. This is where-
Kubby/ We could just keep that last sentence.
Throg/ Which is basically what Naomi proposed.
Baker/ Is local funds the only thing that would be appropriate for
pay back or repayment?
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Council/ (All talking).
Baker/ The repayment .....
Kubby/ Any kind of public money.
Throg/ ...Ernie's point earlier about what happens if they repay
95% .... of it. Surely they should not be required.
Kubby/ It should be noted by staff that that is part of the
discussion.
Baker/ So we are eliminating the middle sentence then.
Franklin/ But keeping "A repayment of local funds .... "and then we
eliminate all of C from 1, Jim?
Throg/ Yes.
Franklin/ Okay ......
Throg/ On page 9, still on Policy 6, we should note that for
Strategy A we intended to move some material from page 4,
right? For us to remember that we had already decided to move
some material from page 4 to Strategy A on page 9.
Nov/ This goes to Policy 6, Strategy A. And we are going to get
more paper tomorrow?
Franklin/ The only question I have then, you decided not on the
recruitment of business in Policy 2? .... We were talking about
Policy 2, Strategy A, and Jim suggested to recruit new
businesses and it just kind of died.
Throg/ What I heard was a majority saying keep Action 1, get rid of
Action 2 & 3, forget the recruit thing.
Nov/ Action 4 became 2 and put in a help. All right.
Kubby/ I need some example, just for my own clarity about what we
mean about Policy 6, page 9, Strategy B, Action 2.
Horow/ I want to know what we mean by this.
Franklin/ That is something that came out of the social service
task force. If we were to encourage... businesses in which
there was a wage level that was below 85%... CEBA criteria...
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transportation .....
needs ....
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day care,
Horow/ How do we realistically do that with the turn around time
that quite often accompanies .... CEBA ....
Franklin/ If by design of your criteria you get into this living
wage issue .... I am sure it will come up ..... Some of these
issues should already be addressed. If the criteria are well
written ...... possible to address these concerns at the get
go ....
Kubby/ This doesn't say .... we need to go to our Boards and
Commissions... I think it is fine.
Franklin/ You might want to clarify economic development matters.
Matters is pretty broad ..... policy or initiative .....
Lehman/ Any economic development matters involving incentives.
Horow/ Hate to have it interpreted as any company... now has to
come to a screeching halt...potential impact ....
Lehman/
Kubby/
Lehman/ Last CEBA one that came in we had two days notice.
Kubby/ I don't see this as being we are going to do a study .... But
just the general issues ..... housing... transportation ....
consequences ..... We are acknowledging and being conscious of
those social consequences.
Lehman/ How long will it take?... where you get two days notice...
impossible...
Kubby/ We don't get two notices with CEBA.
Nov/ It is pretty quick.
Horow/ David, what is the time frame we are talking here? ....
Schoon/ ...It is often a couple of weeks ....
Kubby/ it is still quick .... It doesn't say we have to do anything
about them .... have to look at the impacts ....
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Nov/ All right.. delete commlss10ns, boards and committees.
say "Before action .... by city council, the potential
impact .... will be considered."
Lehman/ That is much better.
Kubby/ What about ad hoc committee ..... Page 9, Strategy A, Action
3 that we will have .... review these on a regulate basis ....
Baker/ Assistance from the community might also mean a different
form .....
Kubby/ What about the word matters .....
Nov/ I would like to say (can't hear) rather than matters.
Pigott/ ..initiatives.
Kubby/
Nov/ Incentives rather than matters.
Kubby/ Incentives is too restrictive maybe.
Horow/ Issues-
Baker/
Horow/ Instead of "matters" we are putting in the word "issues".
Kubby/ Action 3, target the use of CBG funds towards economic
development projects ...... I want to say a portion of just to
be very clear .....
Pigott/
Kubby/ "A portion of"
Franklin/ On page 10 there were no changes.
Kubby/ I have another help type thing. Strategy C, Action 1, take
out "With the assistance of". To say request that local
financial institutions in cooperation with the city identify
shortfalls .... "because it puts the more responsibility on the
financial institution ...... "Request that local financial
institutions, in cooperation with the city, etc."
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Horow/ Yeah, I would agree with that.
Kubby/ In Action 2 .... to say "Help establish
Horow/
Kubb¥/ We did a really good time ....
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Presidential Straw Poll 95-100 S2
Horow/ Larry, Linda-
Council/ (All talking).
Nov/ We haven't read this thing .....
Baker/ ..the state disagrees and says we can't do it.
Woito/ It goes farther and says .... it is not a local matter.
Pigott/
Woito/ The Charter is silent on whether we can do this straw vote
and there is an argument that FirstAmendment protects you as
an entity as well as any ordinary citizen in doing what you
want to do .... There is a possibility that you can do this by
initiative but you have to be prepared for someone to
challenge it ..... I don't want the electoral process to be
jeopardized and four people not able to take their seats ......
Baker/ Backtrack ..... misunderstanding and misinformation ..... This
morning. Linda, I, Pat White and Tom Slockett sat down
together with the purpose of finding out how they felt...
concern .... two different directions... strictly the legal
direction and the other one was political discussion of pros
and cons of whole concept. Tom and Pat can talk about those
concerns .... Their legal position is extremely relevant to
what we do or do not do. They are very consistent ..... say you
do not have the specific authority to do this .... you are
prohibited from doing this based upon lack of clarity in home
rules and .... Charter... no compelling connection between as
a legitimate city government function ..... Not directly related
to city business ..... Tonight's packet we had two resolutions
.... 1-we would direct the County Auditor to put it on the
ballot as our direction. The other resolution involves a
separate ballot to be administered in cooperation with the
County Auditor and neither one of those cases was the County
Auditor willing to agree. He feels strongly that this is not
something the city can do .... If you took literally the
initiative section of the Charter .... citizen signature
initiative drive ..... 24,000 signatures of registered
voters... If it came to us as a council .... he would put it on
the ballot.
Woito/ ...it is up to decide whether it is valid.
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Baker/ That they would not object to that if it was in the form of
an initiative .... It did not protect you from someone
objecting to it .... in which case you would have to defend
your position .... You indeed have the power to do this ....
That is one alternative .... Technically, if you wanted to prep
ballots yourself as a city, send them on your own to
registered voters, arrange for the collection of those ballots
separate for the polling process .... you could do that .....
city expense .... There is also a provision in the state law if
you want to conduct an exit straw poll .... and ask people
coming out after they have voted .... you can be near the exit
door of the poll .... You cannot be inside ..... Some of the
problems with that is it cannot be done with absentee ballots.
It cannot be done with satellite voting ..... It is a much less
precise registry of public sentiment .... Service groups who
might be interested in handling this .... We could do it or
help facilitate it with another group ..... Other groups,
individuals, can do their own exit straw polls ....
Baker/ It would avoid challenges ....
Woito/ Did you talk to Tom or Pat after they got the opinion?
Baker/ No.
Woito/ .... they went a step further and said this is not a local
affair... and a subject of your Charter initiative.
Pigott/
Baker/ This is a ruling by the Attorney General's office .....
woito/ It is not controlling. The Iowa Supreme Court has not moved
on whether cities or counties or states can have straw polls
Baker/ It has never been tested in court as far-how much latitude
Home Rule gives us in this particular instance like this.
Pigott/
Woito/ Some states have adopted legislative statutes .....
Pigott/ But it is up to the state to allow that? .....
Woito/ That is not entirely clear.
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Baker/ .... This is what I think .... I have been doing tons of
reading the last seven days on this issue ..... I would like
very much to adopt this position. I firmly believe that we
have the constitutional right to control our own ballot
issues. That we can determine...citizen... or the council...
ballot issues .... First Amendment .... inconceivable that the
state has to power to restrict a city's First Amendment
rights .... That is what Larry Agran told me. So, I firmly
believe that we have the absolute right to determine and
control our own ballot issues. I would like to see this
council take the first resolution in front of us... I would
like for us to approve that tomorrow night and send it to the
County Auditor ..... he will refuse to put it on the ballot...
I think our public position ought to be we absolutely have
that right and if you will not certify the election then we
will have to consider other alternatives ....
Throg/ What I don't understand is why we would go through that
first hoop ..... and begin deliberating what to do instead.
Baker/ One of the options beyond that... is to legally disagree
with the Auditor's decision, the AG's decision. They have to
stop us .... before we can act on that action .... One of the
options then becomes .... In every other case .... we have
always won .... Some version has been accomplished to do what
we want to do.
Pigott/
Baker/ In almost every case they have gotten the right to put it on
their ballot .... One of our options to simply say we disagree
with you...go to court. The first step is go on record that we
believe it is our right to do this and then respond to their
response ....
Nov/
Lehman/
Pigott/ Your question is do we want to send this resolution on?
Baker/
Kubby/ Do we want this particular thing on the ballot?
Baker/ ...I expect him not to certify it.
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Horow/
Kubby/ .... is the test case about something much larger about our
power to put whatever we want on the ballot versus the
specifics of a straw poll .....
Woito/ I think it would be both the subject matter as well as the
whole concept .....
Pigott/ The court might rule on specifics...general opinion ....
Woito/ .... secondly is this a local affair?
Baker/
Nov/
I would like a legal opinion about whether or not we can
legally spend city money on printing extra ballots .... The
cost of that is my concern.
Woito/ We need to articulate very clearly what the public service
is .... encouraging discussion of national urban policies ....
Nov/
Kubby/ ...Once we talk about presidential politics we open up the
whole gamut .... How do you control that discussion? ....
Baker/ I think you can indeed lead that discussion .... CityVote...
subject of the forum is urban issues ..... that is the only
thing under discussion in CityVote ..... You can indeed set up
the purpose of this whole exercise to help educate the
public .... candidates relationship between federal, local...
consequences of decisions here .... There are consequences
locally about whoever is in charge .... I think we could
articulate a public purpose .....
Kubby/ ...some of us may say we like the idea of a ballot but we
don't want to spend a lot of city energy in helping
presidential candidates get people here ..... What would be the
whole program. What happens besides the ballot issue? ....
city expense and time .....
Baker/ The primary expense would be the cost of the election .....
The city obligation as far as energy or money... energy
involves members of council... organizing public discussion of
these issues ..... I do think we ought to be considering...
weekend... Homecoming weekend ..... There is not any hotel
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rooms in this county .... impossible .... I would expect Tom
Slockett ....
Kubby/
Baker/ .... larger context... state is chipping away at local ....
Nov/
Baker/
Kubby/
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Kubby/ Progressive taxing issues for the city
Baker/ I read Naomi's list of things .... state legislative
agenda... Local option taxing ability ... talk about with the
state .... Remember there are lots of goals here .... Nationally
it is expected to increase voter turnout .... impact locally
.... opportunity for all sorts of groups... opportunity to
focus attention on that nexus between federal decisions and
local consequences ..... Very clear specific questions on urban
issues ..... Get people in here to discuss local issues... All
sorts of public benefits .... I didn't dream this up ....
This... has been a three year project...
Throg/ I know we are not going to decide this tonight... I would
support your notion of having your request go to Slockett ....
I am real interested in the generic question about whether the
city has the power to put questions on the ballot. I am not
entirely persuaded about the merits of doing an overall City
Vote idea .... I am just open to talking about this more... Not
entirely clear to me that we are focusing attention on urban
areas... would be... We are different .... 2-I am just
beginning to read Larry Agran's lengthy paper... There is a
sense that the overall CityVote process is really an effort of
large states to draw attention away from Iowa ..... May not be
good for Iowa... for Iowa City.
Baker/ ...Exit polling°.. something that is workable... it is
further away from CityVote concept .... there are limitations
.... In CityVote Project you have communities from 9,000 to
600,000 .... Common denominator is somewhere in their budget
they are affected by the federal ..... Whether it is something
that is going to actually detract from Iowa City/Iowa...
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yeah ....
Lehman/ Do we have four
discussion should
down ....
Kubby/ What if Slockett
Baker/ ....
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people to vote for this tomorrow? This
take place only if Slockett turns it
changes his mind? .....
Woito/ In terms of putting the best issue in front of the court ....
Your best shot ..... September?
Karr/ 21st at 5:00.
Woito/ Your best shot is initiative because the Iowa Supreme Court
has said that you have the authority ....
Baker/ Under current law.
Woito/ ...do it by initiative.
Baker/ ...that is not something we can do ....
Pigott/ Get someone to do it.
Woito/ It would certainly strengthen your First Amendment argument
in terms of the people have a right to speak.
Nov/ Linda, if this is turned down .... tomorrow... If we vote for
the resolution to put this issue on the ballot .... Then we
have the County Auditor say no... do you really want to go to
court with this?
Baker/ That is not Linda's decision right now ....
Nov/
Woito/ .....
Baker/
Kubby/ I want to bring up these two issues .... says independent...
they are not independent. They belong to political parties and
it should say .... 2-There may be some third parties who have
not selected their candidates yet .... Socialist Party USA ....
they don't even have the opportunity to be reflected through
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their criteria to see if they are considered for City Vote ....
Baker/ General concern would be true any date you pick ....
Pigott/ Could we amend that list? .....
Kubby/ We could amend that list ....
Throg/ And we could include other questions, correct?
Baker/ I think you have to establish the principle first.
Horow/ Let's go to sidewalk cafes-
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Sidewalk Cafes 95-101 S1
Karr/ August 11 you received a letter in your packet from the...
committee with some suggestions for Council on Disability,
Rights and education for Public Accessibility for sidewalk
cafes. I would like council direction on how you wish me to
proceed .... develop something and come back to you?... hold on
to it until '97? ....
Kubby/ If there aren't any other changes .... I think I would like
it to work for a little bit longer before we amend it .... I
am not ready to amend the ordinance ....
Throg/ I would really like to support that .... do nothing in the
short run.
Karr/ So we will just keep this in a file and take a look at it in
~97.
Council/ Yes.
Nov/
...more likely you will get more applicants next spring ....
You could ask them to consider some of the ideas in the
letter...
Kubby/ We could even send the letter of suggestion to people who
have already gotten permits .... think about these options ....
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1. Kubby/ (Consent Calendar-#3.f.(2)- letter from E. Kral re Des
Moines scooper law) .... We had a letter about dog excrement ....
Animal Control ... pass this on
Nov/ Forward this to the Advisory Committee .... might want to
answer the letter... she should report it...
Kubby/ Can we send a letter to this person saying we forwarded this
to the Animal Control Advisory Committee?
Yes ....
Baker/
Kubby/ (Consent Calendar #3.f.(3)-Letter from R. Alatalo re
traffic problems Highway 1 and Kitty Lee Road) We got a second
letter from Regina Alatalo. To send her a copy of whatever
letter we send to J.C Board or to the DOT ....
Horow/ I thought she was in the audience .... we have not received
the signed copy back from the County Board ....
Kubby/ We can still send her a copy of the letter we sent to the
Supervisors ....
Horow/ Okay ....
3. Kubby/ Got a letter back from the Corp (water shed management)
saying we have done what you have asked us to do. There was an
additional suggestion that if there are sites on federal
land... filter strip... let us know. It would be worth our
while... have Ed Moreno take a canoe trip ....
Throg/ ....
Kubby/ Had talked about water shed management investment on our
part .... make sure that gets back inserted into the discussion
at some point ....
Nov/ ...we have a far greater water shed to protect...
Kubby/ A discussion on what is it that we can do ....
Horow/
Kubby/ I think we need to continue our discussion about what kind
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involved in ....
Horow/ We do not have this
Kubby/
Nov/ Federal grounds ....
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management upstream the city wants to
item scheduled for discussion .....
be
just Coralville Lake.
Atkins/ The original filter strip legislation .... requiring farmers
... bumper strip.. and water ways .... Iowa River primarily ....
simply never got anywhere .....
Nov/ Letter... I thought it went beyond Corps ....
Arkins/ The map that we made up...Iowa River...shore line ownership
... up to J.C/Linn County line.
Nov/ ...just around Coralville Lake ....
Atkins/
Nov/ So we would like them to extend that.
Atkins/ It would be nice if the Corps of Engineers had a Corp of
Engineers policy to deal with that issue ....
Kubby/
Atkins/ Expand the question.
Kubby/ So that mean you are going to be writing a follow up letter
asking them about-
Atkins/ That sounds fine .... Okay...
4. Kubby/ I put in an article from "Public Management" .... about
putting collective back into bargaining. At some point I would
like Dale to talk about the philosophy of the system ....
strategy or approach to bargaining ....
Helling/ .... I think this is very clear bargaining strategies...
suggest that we do it in closed session ....
Kubby/ It is important for us to understand that process ....
Helling/ I read the article and have some observations about it ....
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Kubby/
Horow/ I don't have any problem with that.
5. Kubby/ Letter from Gloria O'Donnell who asked for information
about definitions of adult daycare in your zoning code ....
Atkins/ ...letter went off .... notification from the county ....
Kubby/ What would have to change to allow it to happen?
Atkins/ We answered her ....
6. Kubby/ Call today..people who live on Rohret Road... dark out
there .... concerned .... winter... very dark... kids.
Atkins/
Kubby/ I talked with Charles Lyle...check on that .... find out ...
make sure gets information...
Horow/ Work that staff has done... incredible .... School bus ....
proposed detour .... was more than 60 minutes... City and
County and State Patrol... are going to position a car out on
Sharon Center blacktop .... issue... staff has done excellent
job ....
Nov/ I wanted to bring up Legislative Policies... committee...
met last Wednesday .... next step is this goes to Board of
Directors... cities vote to approve all of these things in
October.., let me know before October .... behind the colored
sheet about three pages over ....
Baker/ Local option income tax .... ability for a local option
income tax with no restrictions...no exemption for state
employee ....
Nov/ This is an issue that should have been proposed... not sure I
can add ....
Kubb¥/ We could write a letter and propose it to the Board.
Pigott/ Let's do it.
Nov/
Baker/ ...2-other states legislation which allows
balance
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Horow/ If you want something proposed in the letter for the city
could you please give it to me the language that you want.
Nov/
Linda's letter ..... City access to the Iowa Communications
Network was deleted based on the fact that it may be sold ....
If it is not sold and remains a state policy issue, they are
going to lobby for city access ....
Pigott/
8. Nov. City of Cedar Falls is putting their own fiber optic cables
... plan to compete with TCI .... lot of money...
Pigott/ It would be great economically
Lehman/ I would hate to invest that ....
Nov/
Helling/ City of Cedar Falls has an electric utility... allowed
them to do this .... have the poles in place... We did check
into it .... makes a lot of sense for them to do it.
9. Nov/ citizens Resource Group on the Airport Master Plan ....
having another meeting September 7 .....
10.
Lehman/ I asked Steve to check into an ordinance that Cedar
Rapids has giving preference to local contractors on contracts
and he got us information on that... I would like to see a
little work done to show advantages and disadvantages ....
Kubby/ I would like to see pros and cons ....
Lehman/
Horow/ Go for it ....
Kubby/
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Appointments 95-101 S1 and S2
Housing and Community Development Co~umission:
1 year: Linda Murray
James Harris
Elizabeth Swenson
2 year:
Christina Randall
Charles Eastham
Ann Donoran
3 year:
John Falb
Tim Ruxton
Gretchen Schmuch
Adjourned: 10:30PM
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