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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1995-09-25 TranscriptionSeptember 25, 1995 Council Work Session 6:30 PM council: Horow, Baker, Kubby, Lehman, Nov, Pigott, Throg. Staff: Arkins, Helling, Woito, Karr, Franklin, Schoon, O'Neil, Davidson, Fosse. Tape: 95-112, all; 95-113, Side 1. Item No. 19 Discussion Reqardinq Increasing The Required Number of At Larqe Appointments to The HP Commission 95-112 Sl Horow/ I would ask you if we could go out of order and have Doug Russell address us .... #19 ...... Doug- Doug Russell/ A couple of fine tuning amendments to out ordinance that are begin requested ....... What we are asking to do is change the statute so we could have four at-large members and then one member per district ..... increase the at-large membership ..... Other change...clerk's request .... unexpired term plus the next term .... Baker/ You don't anticipate any problem with the even numbers? Russell Tie vote... is possible. We seldom have close votes. I don't anticipate it is a real problem. Horow/ Great. Russell/ I appreciate it ..... Thlsrepresentsonlyareasonably accurate ~anacrlptlon ofthelowa Citycouncil meettng ofSeptember25,1995. WS092595 September 25, 1995 Council Work Session Page 2 Review Zoninq Matters 95-112 S1 ITEM NOo 5a. Public hearing on an ordinance amending the Zoning Chapter by changing the use regulations on an approximate 2.02 acre tract of land located east of Lakeside Drive and south of Highway 6 from ID-RS, Interim Development Single-Family Residential, to RM-12, Low Density, Multi-Family Residential. (REZ95-0012) Franklin/ The first item which is the p.h ..... rezoning of two acres ... We are working with the developer on this ..... be able to come to some resolution on a site plan so that everybody is moderately happy. The P/Z .... voted to reconsider this on October 5 and we would request that you continue the p.h. to October 10th and defer first consideration to October 10. Kubby/ (Can't hear). ITEM NO. 5b. Consider an ordinance amending the Zoning Chapter by changing the use regulations of an approximate 29 acre tract of land located west of Mormon Trek Boulevard and south of Rohret Road from ~-5, Low Density Single-Family Residential, to OPDH-8, Planned Development Housing Overlay. (REZ95-0009) (Second consideration) Franklin/ Second consideration on parking for persons with disabilities in the front yard. #b was the first consideration- I am sorry, forget that. We didn't have first consideration of item a. on, I thought we did. Woito/ So you are going to continue the p.h. on item a.? Franklin/ Yes. How could I forget item b. Second consideration of Mormon Trek Village ..... that is a repeat. ITEM NOo 5c. Consider an amendment to City Code Title 14, Chapter 6, Article V, "Minor Modification Procedures," to allow parking for persons with disabilities in the front yard of a commercial zone even when located adjacent to a residential zone. (Second consideration) Franklin/ Is the second consideration on parking for persons with disabilities. The staff would request expedited consideration of this. Doug Boothroy now is working with a property owner Thisrepresents only areasonably accuratetranscrlptlon ofthelowa City council meetingofSeptember25,1995. WS092595 September 25, 1995 Council Work Session Page 3 that if this were to be adopted sooner it would just work out in terms of the timing for the building permit. ITEM NO. $d. Consider a resolution for preliminary and final plat approval of Donohoe Fourth Subdivision, an 11.35 acre, two-lot commercial subdivision located in Fringe Area 1 on the south side of Highway 1 at its intersection with Landon Road. (SUB95-0019) Franklin/ Consider a resolution .... Donohoe Fourth Subdivision. This is an ll acre two lot commercial subdivision in the county in Fringe Area 1. We all did recommend this not be rezoned. However it was rezoned to commercial. This is the plat .... issue.. has to do with the access to Highway 1. This plat does show restricted access to Highway 1. So we recommend approval and the Commission recommended that .... Kubby/ This brings up the whole frustration about the Fringe Area Agreement and our different interpretation. What is the time frame that we are working on now? Franklin/ The Fringe Agreement? Kubby/ We had also written a letter saying we want to hear back from you by a certain date ..... Horow/ They are in the process of getting the letter composed .... The object is to get back to us .... Then we will discuss what we are going to come back ..... Throg/ We still don't know what our negotiating posture is. We haven't talked about it. Horow/ We had to get the letter back first. Throg/ .... We need to meet by ourselves before we meet with the Board to be clear about what our position is. Franklin/ The Board is having a conversation about this again at their October 3rd meeting. I would expect some correspondence back after that. Maybe we can schedule it for October 9th for the council to talk about it ..... ITEM NO, 5e. Consider a resolution for final plat approval of Kennedy's Waterfront Addition, Part Three, a 31.23 acre, 11-1ot commercial subdivision located south of Highway 1 between Gilbert Street and the Iowa Thlsrepresentsonlyareasonably accuratetranscrlptlon ofthalowaCltycaunciimaetlngofSaptember25,1995. W$092595 September 25, 1995 Council Work Session Page 4 River. (SUB95-0026) Franklin/ Consider a resolution for a final plat for Kennedy's waterfront Addition. The legal papers on this are not completed and so we ask you to defer this to October 10th .... Did you have a question on anything? Kubby/ I do and it is about the P/Z-staff work plan and I didn't really get a chance to compare the old one .... just pending stuff, right? It says pending list on it. Franklin/ The pending list is their work program. That does not include a current applications .... it doesn't include anything for HP or Riverfront and Natural Areas. Just for P/Z items but it is studies as well as ordinance amendments. So it is anything other than applications essentially. Kubby/ Depending on what happens with the Sensitive Areas Ordinance, it seems like we are going to need to develop some further educational materials .... for people who live in areas ..... So that people uDderstand .... Franklin/ So interject that as a work item somewhere. Kubby/ I guess maybe wait until it passes ..... Franklin/ We know that the educational component of this ordinance is going to be a big part of it with developers as well as with the general public and we expect that as each of us on the staff has exposure to people who are getting involved with the ordinance ..... Kubby/ The brochures have gotten rave reviews so far. Franklin/ ...Bob Miklo's idea. Thlsrepresentsonlyareasonablyaccuratetranscrlptlon ofthelowa Citycouncil meeting ofSeptember25,1995. WS092595 September 25, 1995 Council Work Session Page 5 Near Southside Planning Update 95-112 Sl Franklin/ The consultants from Gould Evans are here, Dave Knopick and Brian Hamilton. We have just gone through a meeting with the Advisory Committee and I think learned some interesting things today that have some impact on the preferred alternative. Just as a recap-recall that we are doing this as a consequence of the work that you all did on the Near South Side and the agreement that we needed to look at the design component for the Near Southside. What is included in this plan addresses largely public development, that is within the streetscape, identifying focal points, gathering area, parkland, some parking components are included in it .... Also acts as a framework for private development in this area ..... plays out over a number of years .... beyond all of us ..... It is a concept for the area... vision... idea. This is an update for you. You don't need to make any decisions tonight. Some more work will be done on it... Schedule is to have it back to you for approval in November or December. But before the end of this calendar year for sure. Glen will give a short presentation about the contract .... any input from you... if there are any major things that you see at this point in time that are issues for you. Glen LeRoy/... Nice to be back in Iowa City... present to you .... gave earlier today at the Advisory Committee... proposal that we are talking about. Calling it the near South Side Design Framework ..... talked about concept of the Near South Side...d.t. extension .... recognize some distinct enclaves within the Near Southside ..... needs to be understood in some component parts (presents drawing) ..... Concepts: 1-unified streetscape, 2-parking, 3- green links concept .... streetscape elements are... in the public r.o.w. that can serve to unify a project area ..... We have a number of recommendations for lighting fixtures... banners .... We have a number of suggestions for parking ..... We would like to consider... still working with parallel parking... bring out an ... elephant ear ..... area of green that comes out and narrows the street .... defines the street from the parking... third concept is the green links concept... important to understand ..... provides a backbone or structure... northern part of green links is Burlington .... north-south is Clinton .... Understand ...... subdistricts... enclaves ..... Talk about the concept of d.t. extension .... says that in the one block between Burlington... and Court.. wanting to extend the essence of what d.t. is into that block .... knit together a division that exists .... concept of links.. Here is Thlsrepresentsonlyareasonablyaccuratetranscrlptlon ofthelowaCitycouncllmeetingofSeptember25,1995. WS092595 September 25, 1995 Council Work Session Page 6 Burlington today (refers to drawing) ..... defines edge of d.t. Proposing... create a seam that begins to bind it up... negotiate with DOT... creation of a median in the middle of Burlington.. change the character of Burlington ..... streetscape treatment... blvd. character ..... enhanced pedestrian lighting, banners... call attention to the improved nature of Burlington. There is a picture of Burlington with the median... enhanced lighting fixturest.. proposed Hieronymous Square Development... dramatically change the character of Burlington ..... If we are talking about d.t. extension ..... d.t. streetscape .... pedestrian mall .... interesting paving pattern... plantings... awnings... We think Clinton Street... as you develop south along Clinton that you pull a similar character d.t .... you are using similar kind of paving treatment... planting beds... awnings... unify this area of Clinton... governmental center .... Advisory Committee did not agree with one of the concepts today .... In the governmental center... County Court House, jail, Federal Building .... this is that area...Bounded by Court, Harrison crosses it in the middle .... What is proposed here is really a definition of an enclave, governmental enclave. An area that gives a much needed focal point in the center of the Near South Side. We feel that this is a key cornerstone of the concept because you have a number of governmental entities that have their own buildings... an alliance needs to be forged within these entities to create a governmental complex .... Let's create an enclave that hangs together and has unity... enhanced crossing points for pedestrians at the corners .... Clinton .... proposed a governmental mall... actual closure of Clinton for one block .... Harrison and Clinton... we would propose to extend the brick paving to Clinton .... enhance this kind of very rich texture... define this as kind of a single unit .... If we keep Clinton open that kind of Brick paving will probably go to the north again... still go to the drawing board on that one as well. Kubby/ LeRoy/ They didn't like the street closed ..... We thought we had worked out the parking for the Post Office and they felt that it was not adequate ..... The concept is kind of a super block Court House Square and around this Court House Square there is diagonal all the way around it. They felt that was not adequate to meet that parking demand. Pigott/ Number of spaces or- Thlsrepresentsonlyareasonablyaccuratetranscrlptlon ofthelowaCitycouncll meetlngofSeptember25,1995. WS092595 September 25, 1995 Council Work Session Page 7 LeRoy/ Proximity. And we talked with them and indeed with city staff... provide cluster parking and that people turn into pedestrians... obviously they have not yet bought into that concept as a concept that would govern this particular government district. And we met with probably unanimous resistance. to the closing of Clinton ..... not the modification of Clinton, not the enhancement of Clinton, not the greenspace ..... but the fact that all traffic would be taken off of that one block did meet with significant resistance. In this area you see the governmental center is at the criss crossing action of the southern spine with the east west spine with the north south spine...occurs within the governmental center .... almost in dead center of Near South Side... kind of perfect central focal point .... We were proposing diagonal parking which is consistent with this kind of Court House Square image .... this area is going to have to be re-worked .... (refers to drawing) .... location for potential parking ramp .... great promise for the creation of a proposed civic park. One of your charges to us was to look for opportunities for green space in the Near South Side .... W~at you see is the parking deck in the back and the creation of an area that in the summer you could use for some very formal kind of activities .... in winter you could use for ice skating... adequate parking .... The next area is the Ralston Creek Mix use District .... great opportunity... unenvisioned .... opportunity ...proposing Ralston Creek be enhanced .... kind of introduction point... enhanced by proposed park... gateway to this east west green links concept... crosses along Harrison through Harrison Hill Park and into the governmental center .... into the University of Iowa area .... Lighting fixtures be same as d.t. fixtures... very simple kind of paving... creek is the amenity... bring pathway through Harrison Hill Park... ultimately into the University of Iowa campus on that side and into a potential open space. We think that the Near Southside deserves access... to the river ..... That really completes that green links concept from water on one side to water on the other side and the governmental center i the middle and it seems to really work as an open space concept. In area to the south.. Rock Island Square... Rock Island terminal (refers to drawing). Then there is a commercial cluster to the right hand side...surrounding by additional higher density housing ..... The Rock Island terminal currently being re-used as office space ..... brick buildings... opportunity for enrichment of that environment. The buildings .... opportunities... looks more like this... creating a clustered commercial area .... represents a destination from outside the Near Southside. Again, in this Thisrepresent$onlyareasonablyaccuratetranscrlptlon ofthelowaCitycouncilmeettng of September25,1995. WS092595 September 25, 1995 Council Work Session Page 8 particular area we are talking about enhanced streetscape .... intimate pedestrian environment .... colorful awnings... richer paving pattern .... historic light fixtures .... Get the sense of a different kind of place that now exists... enhancing that. In terms of housing... propose a different way of looking at housing gin the future in the Near Southside. Three generations of housing... 1- you can see the kind of four story with parking underneath... without a lot of paying attention to the pedestrian... 2-it has a richer texture... take a look at how it hits the ground... 3- look at the breaking down of the massiveness of those buildings... step back.. creation of a front area... courtyards... Breaking down of the massiveness and a more pedestrian friendly environment. Finally the University of Iowa district .... power plants, bus terminals, and motor pools... They indicated a willingness and a desire to want to be part of the Near Southside... They want to be good neighbors... encourage them... to explore that green linkage .... somehow you want to get it to the river... connect through that green linkage concept .... utilitarian .... not to be tied into a specific lighting fixture. Over all.. the participants... bought into the overall framework of this concept .... the only objection of serious nature was for the closing of that one block of Clinton.. a lot of discussion about details... beyond the scope.. We think, in summary, that this represents a forward looking and realistic view .... An enhancement of what already exists in the Near South Side... fairly conservative kind of proposal... implementation would be incremental .... project by project... building by building ...... Horow/ Does anyone have any questions? Baker/ I certainly understand the concern about closing Clinton Street. But in your study .... discussion .... was there some consideration given to narrowing the street? LeRoy/ Yeah .... If you do these sort of elephant ear concepts ..... the street is going to appear narrower .... Baker/ LeRoy/ (Refers to drawing) .... Because of the diagonal parking, Clinton becomes one lane of moving traffic and then the diagonal parking that plays off of it ..... d.t. Lawrence, Kansas .... diagonal parking along the store fronts .... still allow that through traffic but it would generally slow down traffic in the governmental center. Thisrepresents only ereasonablyaccuratetranscrlption ofthelowa Citycouncll meetingof September25,1995. WS092595 September 25, 1995 Council Work Session Page 9 Baker/ Seems like an extremely wide street .... LeRoy/ Baker/ (Refers to drawing)... LeRoy/ Whenever you go from parallel parking to diagonal parking you are taking more space out of the street and so the street is actually narrower .... one lane each way .... Baker/ Not just narrowing the traffic lane but increasing the space in front of the buildings .... LeRoy/ We will take another look at that, too... Baker/ Question about the third type of housing that you are trying to visualize .... present zoning restrictions .... look at the density of housing. LeRoy/ It would be our hope...encourage higher density housing in the Near Southside .... We would hopefully create this so that you could keep this same density of housing... scale break down of those buildings... Goal is to keep the same density but encourage a breakdown of massiveness of scale .... particularly for pedestrians .... Kubby/ Doesn't our zoning down there give density bonuses .... Franklin/ The zoning that is there now would allow this type of development to occur. It is a matter of developers wanting to do it that way... feeling that the market would support it .... Dave Knopick/ The other option, too, would be a design review process. LeRoy/ ...zoning overlay... Baker/ ...University would like to have river access. Have you talked to them? LeRoy/ They would like to accommodate river access for the Near Southside. Now how they do that .... we don't know the exact configuration... don't know exactly what they are... Kubby/ ...concrete .... LeRoy/ What we are looking for is a visual corridor to the river. Thisrepresents only areasonebly accuratetranscrlptlon ofthelowa City council meeting of September 25,1995. WS092595 September 25, 1995 Council Work Session Page 10 We are not looking for people to cross the RR tracks necessarily .... That the river is visually present for people in the Near Southside .... Lehman/ How practical are the islands on Burlington Street? .... LeRoy/ Brian has developed...Jeff has taken and talked to the state DOT about this... We feel that you can still make significant enough improvement in the area .... From the feedback that we have gotten... they haven't said no... Jeff suggested an extra 50 feet be given over to it... negotiating posture .... still have enough semblance of a median to make a difference .... Nov/ .... On the commercial area on Dubuque Street .... added peak roofs .... is this a possibility? ... Brian Hamilton/ I drew this from an aerial overlay. If peak roofs are shown it is my mistake .... LeRoy/ When you have some of the facades like that that you can do things .... give it that enhancement in appearance... Nov/ I would like to see structurally possible roof lines .... Knopick/ There are some houses that are currently businesses on that commercial strip there ..... Throg/ I attended the Advisory Committee meeting this afternoon... terrific job... like components of the concept .... There are lots of little details. Pigott/ I like it as well... even like the idea of the government mall .... worth exploring ..... LeRoy/ Again. let us talk about the adoption process and the relationship between the Advisory Board and the governing body ..... ultimately you are going to adopt a concept. Throg/ Surely the Advisory Committee said don't close that block of Clinton Street .... It is possible .... LeRoy/ Wondering of getting the way of both worlds .... CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 95-112 SIDE 2 LeRoy/ A way of doing temporary closures in certain times of the week or certain seasons that would accomplish both. Thisrepresents onlyereesoneblyaccuratetranscriptlonofthelowaCitycouncll meetingofSeptember25,1995. WS092595 September 25, 1995 Council Work Session Page 11 Kubby/ .... LeRoy/ We would have to propose it in this...concept of pedestrian...very strong .... even though vehicles are driving up and down... the priority is given to the pedestrian. Kubby/ ...lighting... I like the looks of the historic lights but they really send light up .... still rather inefficient .... lighting the sky instead of lighting down ..... Brian Hamilton/ There is a multitude of fixtures .... not been our charge to identify or outline... There are ways to do that... next step... What you saw up here is conceptual .... different... more historic or rich or traditional. Horow/ Thank you very much. Thlsrepresentsonlyareasonablyaocuratetranscrlptlon ofthelowe Cl~ counctlmeetlngofSeptember25,1995. WS092595 September 25, 1995 Council Work Session Page 12 Airport Master Plan Study 95-112 S2 Horow/ Airport Master Plan Study Update. Howard Horan/ Chairman of the Airport Commission ..... Jerry Searls .... I think he has made it all very very clear ..... Just to review real quickly, his approach was that there is no way to design an effective Master Plan for the Airport without designing or coming up with a concept for all the space around it ...... So he has-he just started on a blank piece of paper... first of all he has moved the main road (refers to drawing)... research development park... s.f. housing down in this area ....... maintained the city park as a nature preservation area... 4-H Fairgrounds virtually untouched .... access... several .... lots industrial...commercial... manufactured housing .... I-4 zoning ..... This runway 1735 .... is most likely the first to deteriorate... let that degrade... fail... 5-7-10 years... logical thing to do... (refers to map)... let that runway deteriorate... and finally close it ..... We would extend 624 about 1200 feet and using a system called declared distances and end up with a runway..200 feet shorter than it is now .... Baker/ Extended it but it will be shorter? Horan/ FAA .... if they say that is how we do safety, then that is how we do safety ..... (refers to map) ....... several other industrial lots to be developed up here (refers to map). Baker/ Extend it and it will be shorter .... 250 feet shorter than it tly ' presen is .... Horan/ (Refers to map) .... displaced threshold... runway begins about here...ends here. Baker/ Why do you have to extend it 1200 feet? Horan/ Trying to maintain a basic level of general aviation service that to date we have had .... Baker/ If you didn't extend it 1200 feet .... Kubby/ The physical space would be there but the threshold would have to be backed up .... Baker/ Is there a figure that makes displacement unnecessary? .... Is there an extension that you can put down that wouldn't be 1200 feet... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the iowa City council meeting of September 25, 1995. WS092595 September 25, 1995 Council Work Session Page 13 Horan/ ..... you talked with Jerry... I am sure this is the shortest possible that he could come up with ..... Baker/ Is there a figure on extension that does not displace people? Horan/ No .... use system of displaced threshold and declare a distance. Without that the runway gets shorter and shorter and shorter. Kubby/ .... talked about the mobile home park. Horan/ I think the Airline has to go ..... Kubby/ Horan/ Most of the landowners have been contacted .... most of their questions addressed... In concept the landowners have supported this. Horow/ What is the potential of using federal funds in term of displacing or help in relocating? Horan/ That is fundable at 90% federal funds from the FAA ..... 10% local funds. Horow/ Horan/ ...... logical place to relocate. Nov/ Horan/ ...relocating the motel... might be possible to relocate on airport property that has not been zoned for commercial. Horan/ I don't see why not. Kubby/ .... type of housing units much different .... too simple to say they can move into Bob Wolf's .... Horow/ ...I don't think it is impossible ..... Baker/ You are assuming that federal government will pay for relocation ..... part of relocating costs is upgrading housing... Horan/ I would think... we would need you to be satisfied. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 25, 1995. WS092595 September 25, 1995 Council Work Session Page 14 Kubby/ Concerns I have are threefold: Dryers in the mobile home court. a hill down ..... 1-relocation issues for the 2-Just the thought...tearing Horan/ I can see where you come from ...... Kubby/ My third concern I am not sure I understand the consequences ...... moving Dane Road... (refers to map)... I don't really understand what all the implications of such a decision is ....... Horow/ What we are looking for is the concept of land use-The overall land use in that area .... pertains.. land around the airport ..... That we deliberately look at the impact on the land around it ..... Pigott/ Horow/ Lehman/ I think this is strictly a concept as far as Jerry is concerned ..... Kubby/ ...he is very thorough... talked to us in terms of relocation ...... I appreciate the thoroughness... I don't understand the implications .... Baker/ Horan/ The real heart of this concept is let's design about a plan for the area .... what we do with it... it ...... and think How we use Baker/ Horan/ I believe he has made contact with almost all the landowners .... The people who are subject to the greatest change have been spoken to ..... Baker/ So we don't have a sense yet of financial obligation? Horan/ We have a sense because we did a relocation study about two years ago .... Baker/ Horan/ In terms of public funds there is a modest commitment in This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 25, 1995. WS092595 September 25, 1995 Council Work Session Page 15 this .... Baker/ Horan/ As well as the Airline Motel .... United Hangar goes because it is in the runway protection zone. Lehman/ It would seem to me..revenue from sale of industrial parkland would go a long ways in paying for our share .... Baker/ Horan/ Marty Kelley has talked with us .... seems to make sense... Throg/ I see three main elements to this concept plan. 1- keep the airport there... meet FAA standards .... 2-Getting rid of ..1735 runway .... 95% coverage .... It is possible to close that runway .... sounds to me like a good thing to do... 3- Notion of having commercial and industrial development around the periphery of the airport .... That strikes me as very wise .... protects the airport from any further encroachments in the future ..... not open to residential development .... Horan/ That is in the county .... presented it to the Board of Supervisors... great plan .... If Karin has concerns about too many roads on too many ridge tops .... As long as we approach it with a plan... Nov/ We are not going to decide where those roads are ..... industrial ...there has to be a sewer line .... This is going to be a while .... long term plan... Horan/ ...30 year look... What we had hoped is a joint meeting with the city council and Johnson County Board of Supervisors to come up with some specific agreements, 28E agreements, that have to do with zoning and development around the airport ..... Establish that and get the ball rolling. Horow/ I have talked with Charlie Duffy with that idea ..... Supervisors would be available before our meeting on the 23rd, Monday .... Throg/ Horow/ More of particular of how it coming up with concept of cooperation about this concept which would then go to the FAA... details is actually going to be done is in the future .... Thisrepresents only areasonablyaccuratetrenscrlptlonofthelowaCItycouncil meetingofSeptember25,1995. WS092595 September 25, 1995 Council Work Session Page 16 how we look at the airport in the area .... What would be helpful... Kubby/ 28E agreement is a much different document than a Fringe Area Agreement...28E...is law .... Lehman/ This would be a preliminary set of meetings to see if we are thinking along the same lines .... Horan/ I think there is a lot of technical details... Kubby/ Horow/ 6:00 (10/23) ..... I will let the county know Throg/ The expectation would be to discuss the general parameters Horan/ At most...both past the same resolution that said we support in concept the development plan regarding the airport and then express that to the FAA .... Throg/ Horow/ Pigott/ I like the general concept. Nov/ Horow/ Thanks very much. Thlsrepresentsonlyareasonablyaccuratetranscfiptlonof~helowaCIw councilmeetingofSeptember25,1995. WS092595 September 25, 1995 Council Work Session Page 17 Melrose Avenue 95-112 S2 Horow/ Bridqe/Street Reconstruction - Future Procedure Jeff Davidson/ Just a very brief review of how we got to where we are right now. The first ..... page .... memo from Rick to Steve in July 1991 saying they have taken a look at Melrose Avenue Bridge... time to look at a new structure. Council then directed Rick... to begin designing a four-lane bridge .... 75- 80% design... IDOT granted what was called a categorical exclusion which is a basically an exclusion to doing any kind of detailed environmental review .... There then began a ... discussion ..... we were directed to conduct an environmental assessment of the project. Council decided... not comfortable with making a decision on what the design of the bridge should be... The EA also became an alternative analysis...7 alternatives... consultant was then hired .... to investigate the 7 alternatives .... That process has been completed... we have...fulfilled all requirements of DOT, all requirements of federal Highway Administration and we are under the impression that we have also given you all the information that at this point you require .... You received this document a couple of weeks ago... remains to be done is for you to select a recommended alternative that will then be placed into this report and it will be sent to the Federal Highway Administration for concurrence and at that point the funds for both the street reconstruction and bridge reconstruction is about $1.2 million all together would be released. The Federal Highway Commission is one member of the nine member focus group that council established .... Four members of the focus group in the audience tonight ..... I believe this is significant .... that we have come down to a recommendation from the consultant that staff has concurred that we are comfortable with. It is to what we started this with... it is different .... a better design .... a three lane design which also includes seven foot shoulders on either side for transit vehicles and bicyclists. You are aware... has been some controversy... same width as a four lane design .... It is a better design than the four lane design... safer...more functional .... predicated on... take the natural environment into consideration, take the built environmental into consideration..oability of the street to carry traffic and the ability of the street to accommodate all the modes of transportation that exists in that area .... You have all of the alternatives that were looked at. We are assuming council is not interested in do nothing alternative... Alternative to construct a new street through University property ...also has Thisrepresents only areasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowa Citycouncil meetlngofSeptember25,1995. WS092595 September 25, 1995 Council Work Session Page 18 some problems .... remaining five alternatives you may select .... Kubby/ ...talk about how we are going to make the decision .... I have a suggestion about process .... I want to have a poh .... Throw my suggestion out... either at informal or formal meeting that we hear from specific groups .... about what they want us to do .... might each get a certain amount of time. then we get to talk for awhile... more time ...for additional feedback .... Then we continue our deliberations and make our decision. Lehman/ How long has this been going on? Horow/ 1991. Kubby/ Been going on since the 70's. Lehman/ I think if we got 3,000 pages. We have gotten as much input as is out there. I think we are going to be hearing more and more of the same .... Kubby/ Talking about one meeting...structured way of getting comments... Nov/ If we had read all of these letters .... we have heard comments on this report... Kubby/ Nov/ Are you talking about endless people? ..... Kubby/ My proposal was the constituency groups that were represented in the focus groups .... Throg/ April 19th .... someone from the audience asked will there be another opportunity for a real p.h ..... And the response was there will be a number of additional opportunities .... Nov/ Throg/ I still take that as an implied promise that the city council will be holding a hearing. Baker/ Agree we ought to have a formal p.h. as part of our agenda ..... I want a p.h. discussion ..... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 25, 1995. WS092595 September 25, 1995 Council Work Session Page 19 Woito/ You have to have public comment on your alternatives. Horow/ What would this council want to get from the p.h.? Baker/ Has this council ever had a formal p.h? Woito/ No, you haven't.' Council/ (All talking). Nov/.. Do you want public comment on this report? ..... I think we have had that. Baker/ Pigott/ I want a public comment on this issue .... Throg/ .... What we have is really new is recommendation ...that we adopt alternative #4 ..... If we wanted to...indicate our tendency to like #4 and ask for specific responses to that .... Baker/ ...p.h .... people could come... talk about what staff has recommended .... public can give us anything they want to and we can discuss it. Nov/ General p.h ..... prefer that we deal with these specific groups... Woito/ I don't recommend that... The time-You told everyone..that when they got up to speak that they would come back when you made an alternative and now is the time for you to choose an alternative. They have to hear from you. Nov/ Are you saying a p.h. on a chosen alternative or a p.h. on everything? .... Woito/ You can certainly focus it on one alternative .... you can't preclude them from talking about all the alternatives. Council/ (All talking). Baker/ ...my inclination is alternative #4 .... Lehman/ ..One group of folks that I really would like to include in this ..UHts city council. Th~srepre$ents~n~yareas~nab~yac~uratetrans~r~pt~~n~fthe~~waCityc~unc~~meet~ng~fSeptemb~r2$~1~~5~ wsog26g6 September 25, 1995 Council Work Session Page 20 Kubby/ .... Horow/ .... considering holding their own special council meeting... and .... get back to us... give us an indication in terms of where they are coming from .... They are certainly looking forward to doing that one way or another. Lehman/ Woito/ It is not inconsistent that you would do that with the UHts and do it later with the public...sequentially... Horow/ .... looking for...purpose ..is actually to listen to people .... Pigott/ ..... Baker/ ...Linda says we got to have public comments...makes no sense to not have a p.h. I don't see a reason not to do it .... Lehman/ Nice to have a p.h. primarily focused on alternative #4 if we are indicating that we kind of are leaning that way... Throg/ May be elements of alternative #4 that may need to be modified and I want to hear from people .... about what kind of modifications they think might be appropriate. Baker/ Horow/ We are talking about procedure here... if a professional engineer... they would have to be involved... staff would have to be involved .... Kubby/ Matters what kind of modifications it is... tonight is not the appropriate time to get into it .... Throg/ Jeff said something about width .... about how much narrower... clearly an import question. How much narrower can it be and still be safe ? ..... Kubby/ Lehman/ I would like to give the UHts city council .... they represent the entire community... interested in their opinion... very interested in what they have to say. Thisrepresents onlyareasonablyaccuratetransmiptlonofthelowaCItycouncil meeting ofSeptember25,1995. WS092595 September 25, 1995 Council Work Session Page 21 Pigott/ ... talk with them as a body or have them at a work session .... Woito/ It is certainly in your best interests to work cooperatively with UHts- Horow/ Atkins/ Remind you have plans and specs p.h. process also Baker/ Why couldn't we have Uhts council as part of the informal the night before the public...? Woito/ Yeah, that would work. Council/ (All talking). Baker/ I want to make sure the minimum we have to have to make sure in the future we might have to (can't hear). Nov/ Lehman/ I think it is very significant. I did to realize the three lanes are safer than four .... Davidson/ Some pretty compelling evidence. Kubby/ Possibility...tending towards a wider three lane...have a striping configuration of three lanes as a resolution .... Davidson/ ..traffic control device, by ordinance, it has to come back to you for some kind of okay .... Pigott/ Kubby/ Try to make it a positive conscious public decision as strong as possible versus just a nod of a head .... Horow/ Baker/ Atkins/ What did you decide? Horow/ After the UHts people get together on their own, that they would come here for a meeting with us during an informal meeting prior to a formal meeting at which there would be a Thisrepresents only ereasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowaCItycouncll meetlngofSeptembar25,1995. WS092595 September 25, 1995 Council Work Session Page 22 p.ho Kubby/ Jim and Larry said they have specification modification issues that they would like to bring up .... when and how does that happen? Atkins/ ..UHts...are you suggesting you will communicate with them that you expect them to prepare a formal recommendation to you? Horow/ I talked to Don today and that is what we agreed he was going to work on. Atkins/ Do you know when? Horow/ No..special meeting. Kubby/ Maybe talk about our schedule... Atkins/ You expect UHts to make a decision in a form of a formal recommendation? Okay. Following that decision they publicly communicate it further in front of you. Horow/ At the informal meeting... Throg/ Shift .... expecting them to come..recommendation to us... Invite them to come and advise us CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 95-113 SIDE 1 Throg/ It would be more in the spirit of inviting an equal to come and advise us. Horow/ ! tbiDk you are reading too much ..... because it was just a discussion ..... The expectation is what do you want to do .... Nov/ They normally meet on the second Tuesday and so we could then schedule a meeting. I mean schedule a hearing on the 10th, hold it on the 24th ..... Baker/ Vote then...? Horow/ On the 23rd. No we can't. The County Board is doing- Pigott/ We could still do it after that. Nov/ ... we would have to declare the p.h. on the 10th and hold it Thisrepresents onlyareasoneblyaccuretetranscrlptlonofthelowe CIW council meetingofSeptember25,1995. WS092595 September 25, 1995 Council Work Session Page 23 on the 24th. SO if they wanted to come and visit with us on the 23rd as part of our work session .... Kubby/ Nov/ They may decide to just do the formal presentation .... Throg/ I sense some concern that it would not be appropriate to invite two other governmental bodies to the same work session. Horow/ No .... no problem with that .... Atkins/ I assume you were going to schedule the county about 6:00 .... conduct your regular work session and incorporate UHts ...... Kubby/ So the night of the p.h. on the agenda will there also be a decision on our part or do people want two weeks. Throg/ Can't make a decision without hearing the p.h. the next night. Kubby/... Do you want to vote the same night or wait two weeks? Atkins/ I would encourage you to wait two weeks. Lehman/ Woito/ That would be November 7. Council/ Lehman/ What is the time frame for this? Davidson/ It will take the consultant probably a week or so to redraft this according to what you decide. The feds have indicated they might take 30 days. I would guess maybe 60 days after you all decide. Lehman/ Time for design .... Davidson/ After we get the clearance from the feds basically telling us that the money would be released, then it is up to you to direct Rick or some consultant to begin the design. And how long would that take, Rick? Fosse/ It really depends on the option chosen? This represents only e reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 25, 1995. WSOg2595 September 25, 1995 Council Work Session Page 24 Davidson/ If we could use any of the stuff we have used already, will take a shorter amount of time .... it Lehman/ Seems to me this project should be done as quickly as we possibly can .... Horow/ Atkins/ .... Can I step through what I think you decided. On Monday, the 23rd, UHTS City Council is being invited to meet with you in a collaborative effort to discuss the bridge and project ..... collaborative effort ..... Nov/ And from what Susan has said, they will have made a recommendation. Atkins/ On the 24th... you will actually have a p.h. on the issue of the Melrose Avenue Bridge and Street Project. My question to you is what is the target because you have not decided to accept the consultant's recommendation. You have not decided anything. What is going to be the focus of the hearing? Woito/ The recommendation of the consultant. Arkins/ The focus of the hearing and the expectation is that people will be speak to the recommendation that is being made to you by the consultant. Kubby/ Atkins/ Because of to this point you have not decided anything. Davidson/ ... I want to make sure everyone is aware that you have basically five... alternatives that have no constraint with respect to the Environmental Assessment. You are not, in any way, encouraged to take the consultant's recommendation unless you all desire to do that. Arkins/ ..... you have five options from which to choose because they all have been cleared environmentally. Hearing is on the 24th. Then at the next council meeting, 7th, we would place on the agenda a resolution for you to vote and that resolution will say what? Woito/ We recommend option blah blah. Atkins/ I am assuming the hearing on the 24th is a hearing. You are Thlsrepresentsonlyereasonablyaccuratetransc~lptlon ofthelowa Citycouncil meetlngofSeptember25,1995. WS092595 September 25, 1995 Council Work Session Page 25 there to listen. Baker/ Why do we have to frame a resolution? Pigott/ You got to choose an option. Baker/ Woito/ You have to send a recommendation to IDOT. We will have to put it in a form of a resolution. Kubby/ Atkins/ .... right now... lay schedule out so there is no doubt about what is going on. Meeting on the 7th there would be a resolution adopting the consultants recommendation which you may choose to modify anyway you see fit. Pigott/ That is right. Woito/ What you want to do is you are making a recommendation to IDOT. That is your ultimate goal. Atkins/ ...making that option choice in that vote on the 7th. That is going to instruct Rick because you are going to have another hearing several months later on plans and specifications based upon that resolution ...... Woito/ The feds and the state before they approve this have to have something to review. Pigott/ And we will have that opportunity to discuss amendments to that resolution the night before in the work session .... Kubby/ Helpful.. if people have specific modifications .... maybe write a memo to council... appears in packet on 23/24th .... So public has a chance to comment on those ..... Atkins/ Is there anyone you wish to receive specific notice? ..... I Just want to hear the focus groupo..broaden that a tad bit. Is this a p.h .... traditional p.h .... we will make notice .... Pigott/ I think the focus group people should be particularly notified. Kubby/ And the Benton Street neighborhood is included in that focus group? Thlsrepresents only nreasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowa Citycouncil meetingofSeptember25,1995. WS092595 September 25, 1995 Council Work Session Council/ (Yes). Arkins/ Okay. I am all set then. Davidson/ Is there anything prior to Page 26 this process? .... technical Baker/ .... possibility if we go with a three lane road that third- the middle lane being somehow...blvd avenue .... Horow/ Does that take away from the pedestrian width? Baker/ Throg/ Arkins/ If you are going to discuss the project ....... hear what other folks have to say. Pigott/ Is that something we can get an answer to? Atkins/ If you all have questions jot them down, we can prepare written response, then tLey are in the packet .... write those down .... Kubby/ .... how narrow can the road be and still be open during construction. That is already on your list? Fosse/ Yes... Horow/ Put it in the packet ..... Thlsrepresentsonlyarea$onablyaccuratetranscrlptlon ofthelowa CltycouncllmeetingofSeptember2§,1995. WS092595 September 25, 1995 Council Work Session Page 27 Council Agenda/Time 95-113 Sl 1. Lehman/ .... Meeting this important meeting ..... coming Saturday is an awfully Baker/ Can I add something. Lehman/ Saturday I think is some big issues ..... Nov/ Based on what I have read in the Des Moines Register Sunday that the decrease in housing sta£ts based on the cost is 40% ...:. is this because we are dealing with lower priced housing or is it fewer housing starts? Atkins/ I read that and I need to find out because I am not sure how they came up with those numbers. Nov/ Atkins/ .... I just don't know .... dollar value can be very very misleading. Nov/ Can we also get some increase and decrease in terms of building permits in new housing or whatever. Baker/ I just want to get clarification. We are going to talk this Saturday about subsidized housing issue and criteria. Is that the specific focus? Pigott/ Affordable housing in general. Baker/ Memo... on barriers to affordable housing .... were going to talk about subsidized housing federal government role and cutbacks .... I thought we policies and Horow/ ...affordable housing. Baker/ Atkins/ I have encouraged Tim (Shields) who is guiding the discussion to allow as much brainstorming ...... I think it would be productive... have in mind... put it on the table... take ... work out some sort of priority for you .... Baker/ I just want to get a sense of the breath of the discussion. Throg/ Thisrepresents onlyareasonablyaccuratetranscriptlon ofthalowa CltycouncllmeetlngofSeptember25,1995. WS092595 September 25, 1995 Council Work Session Page 28 Council/ (All talking). Throg/ I don't think we should talk only about subsidized housing. Baker/ ...What are we going to be talking about? .... subsidized... affordable... two different issues ..... Affordable housing is the broader issue .... Pigott/ I would like to talk about affordable. Baker/ Are we getting anything from staff as far as material? Can I get Barriers to Affordable Housing memo that came out 3-4 months ago... Nasby ..... long list. Atkins/ Baker/ The memo Barriers to Affordable Housing, can we all get a copy of that? Franklin/ It is not done yet? .... the outline, is that what you want? Sure. It is just an outline. Council/ (All talking). Throg/ Larry, ask staff to give us a copy of your memo, 2-3 months ago and the memo I wrote about affordable housing. Atkins/ Shields has those things. Council/ (All talking). Lehman/ My biggest concern is we set rules and guidelines for developers .... final thing... wait a minute, we don't like this... If we are going to rethink some guidelines, we need to do it up front... purpose of this meeting .... Pigott/ Broad based discussion. Baker/ Horow/ 8:00 to 12:00 ..... 2. Kubby/ (ITEM NO. Z0 -CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CITY CODE TITLE 9~ CHA~TER 1~ ENTITLED "MOTOR VEHICLES AND TRAFFICs" ARTICLE ?, ENTITLED "TOY VEHICLES." (FIRST CONSIDERATION). I feel really uncomfortable voting on an ordinance we haven't talked about .... Thisrepresents onlyareosonably accuratetranscription ofthelowa Citycouncil meetlngofSeptember25,1995, WS092595 September 25, 1995 Council Work Session Page 29 Council/ (All talking). Kubby/ What are the pros and cons? Where do people go? ..... they do this as recreation...way to stay out of trouble .... What do they do? Horow/ Are there four people that wish to prolong this...? Baker/ Seems like a no-brainer ..... Kubby/ Lehman/ Where are they going to ride rollerblades...? Kubby/ I don't know what the pros and cons are. Horow/ ...Bring this issue to P/R ..... look at what is available... this is a safety situation .... ask P/R to make some recommendations to us. Nov/ They are not forbidden from bike path and sidewalks in city parks ..... They are not safe in parking ramps .... Pigott/ ..... I understand the safety concerns .... Nov/ Kubby/ 3. Kubby/ Pizza Hut sign. I wanted to get some time ..... Get an update .... They haven't done anything... Woito/ I have given it to three different attorney's and I don't like their answer .... We can't enforce it .... There is some wiggle room on trying to get them to do something. I need to go back and have someone work .... Lehman/ Matter of where we screwed up? ...... Kubby/ Majority of council said we agree with the change of mind .... We have said it is illegal .... Woito/ ...The problem was we changed out mind... and we can't just rescind it... I need to report on that to you. 4. Kubby/ (ITF~ ~Oo $ g.(1) Letter from Randy Dickson regarding a cultural management survey for the water plant property .... Th~srepresents~n~yareas~nab~yaccuratetranscr~pti~n~fthe~~waC~tyc~unc~~meet~ng~f~eptember25~1995~ WS092595 September 25, 1995 Council Work Session Page 30 Does our staff agree with that assessment? Atkins/ Right now I am not sure... we have done everything legally we were suppose to do and I have asked staff to make a couple of other phone calls to see if it is required. Secondly, if this individual wants to be part of our bidder list... he needs to send us a credential statement ..... We will check it out. To the best of my knowledge we have done everything we were suppose to do. Woito/ And it may be a little premature. When we finally get down to the design stage we will be able to send something off to the State Archeologist and say we think there is something here but we are not at the final design stage. Kubby/ In the meantime can somebody from staff get a hold of Mr. Dickson ..... Atkins/ I think that has been done. I will check. 5. Kubby/ (ITEM ~O. 3 g.(3)Letter from John A. Gross regarding the Bus and Shop Program rates. I thought years ago Park & Shop was at $.35 for specific reason... they would do some of the bookkeeping stuff but they are not doing it. Lehman/ Yeah, we do. The city sends the bill to the Chamber office .... Chamber Office then bills each and every merchant, collects the money. Kubby/ Does it work the same way for Bus and Shop? Lehman/ I think so. Kubby/ How much does it cost the city? Does it cost the city differently? Atkins/ .... Pigott/ .... Atkins/ I did not put a resolution on so you could vote it up or down. Nov/ ... recommendation from staff that our costs were different for those two plans ..... Pigott/ I would be interested in checking that again .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 25, 1995. WS092595 September 25, 1995 Council Work Session Page 31 Nov/ ...... Atkins/ I will prepare a memo for you. Lehman/ Many merchants refuse to use Bus and Shop because they fear it will cost them too much money ..... People do not ride Bus and Shop ..... If cost were the same... perhaps the same group of folks... offer Bus and Shop ..... Baker/ 6. Baker/ .... Steve, staff is looking at a change in the sign ordinance about the temperature/time discrepancy? Atkins/ Design Review .... Baker/ Lehman/ Have you seen the new sign d.t .... attractive .... Thisrepresents only aressonably accuratetranscription ofthelowa City coul~cil meetlngofSeptember25,1995. WS092595 September 25, 1995 Council Work Session Page 32 Appointments 95-113 S1 Historic Preservation Commission - Ruedi Kuenzli Horow/ I have one other thing. I asked last week whether any of you were interested in going to the ...video conference...David Lyons... Tomorrow morning at 7:30 AM ..... urge you to do this .... Arkins/ Tonight... tomorrow morning at 9:00 Maiden Lane. Adjourned: 8:40 PM Thisrepresents only ereasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowaCitycouncll meeting of September25,1995. WS092595