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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1995-10-24 TranscriptionOctober 24, 1995 Council Work session 6:30 PM Johnson'County Board of Supervisors/Airport Master Plan Council: Horow, Baker, Kubby, Lehman, Nov, Throg, Pigott (6:35 PM). City Staff: Atkins, Helling, Woito, Karr, Franklin, O'Neil, Burnside, Smith. Johnson County Board of Supervisors: Lacina, Bolkcom, Duffy, Stutsman. County Staff: W~nite, Peters Others: Jerry Searle (McClure Engineering Company) Tapes: 95-123, all. Airport Master Plan 95-123 Sl Horow/ I passed out a letter. This is a draft, an example, for both the Supervisors and the council members to read so that we can focus on sending this letter to the FAA as a tangible example of our spirit of cooperation. This is merely one of these warm fuzzy typed letters. It doesn't set us into cement (can't hear). So if you just all take a look at it, I appreciate it. If possible, I would really like us to say hey, way to go, let's go with it. Those of you who are sitting out in the audience, this is an informal session with the Board of Supervisors working on the concept of the Master Plan, the airport, the FAAdesign. And what I have given to the Board of Supervisors and city council is just a draft of a letter that will be sent to the FAA Administrator in Kansas City as I say indicating our intent to cooperate on this concept and it doesn't get specific. It deliberately states that we are still in the process but we are feeling comfortable with it. Following this letter, if we agree on this letter and Charlie and I send it off, it seems to me is that the next step then would be for our attorneys to come up with a resolution that would agree to whereas and therefores some sort of (can't hear) to this particular agreement. Kubby/ So it would be a resolution versus a 28E agreement? Horow/ I don't see that we are at a 28E agreement yet. If-I don't see that we are at the 28E agreement yet. Do you, Linda? Woito/ We have a draft of this? Horow/ Right, no, no, no but we are not even at that point so that this- This represents only a reasonablyaccurate transcription ofthalowa City council meeting of October 24,1995. WS102495 October 24, 1995 Council Work Session Page 2 Johnson County Board of Supervisors/Airport Master Plan Woito/ And I couldn't hear you. Horow/ I am sorry. I didn't have this on. The resolution, after this letter gets sent, the next step would be for Pat and you to formulate a resolution that would then be worked out among all of you. Woito/ Anne Burnside and I already did a resolution. Horow/ Okay but that is something that wouldn't go with this letter. It would be the next step. Woito/ Right and I will confer with Pat on that, yes. Horow/ Okay. Woito/ If that is the approach that you want to take. Horow/ What are you feeling? Kubby/ I guess I am just asking because we have a Fringe Area Agreement and each body interprets it a little differently and acts upon it a little differently and I guess I want to make sure that we have a clear and mutual understanding of how we will act upon the resolution or if it becomes a 28E agreement or something. I guess a resolution to me sounds a little too flexible for me. I would like us to be all on board on the same wave length with flexibility. But to understand that-I guess I just want to hear from the Supervisors how they are going to behave about these issues and we should be committing to the Supervisors how we are going to be behaving when a developer comes in and wants to do something that may be different than what is in this concept. Horow/ Karen, that is the next step. That is why I put down here that we wish to cooperate in pursuing a joint concept and making every effort to fulfill our obligations. I totally agree with what you are saying. But I don't think we are at that point yet. Stutsman/ That is the way I took this, too. Is that this is a letter of intent saying that this is spirit of cooperation. That we want to work together on this but by no means is this anything that is in stone or made any concrete decision as to what we are going to do with it yet. Thisrepresents only ereasonab]y accuratetranscription ofthelowe City council meeting of October 24,1995. WS102495 October 24, 1995 Council Work Session Page 3 Johnson County Board of Supervisors/Airport Master Plan Kubby/ I guess I am just expressing that I want those next three or four steps to happen or however many steps it is after this. That we need to commit to do that. Bolkcom/ So, are we being requested to send this letter to the FAA? Horow/ The FAA has asked that we send them some sort of an intent of joint spirit of cooperation among our two groups. Jim- Throg/ Are you expecting that we would read (can't hear) ... tonight having agreed to the letter as it is written or minor modifications in which case, I would like to read the letter now. Horow/ That is what I was hoping you did. Throg/ Well, when (can't hear). Horow/ Right now. Throg/ I haven't had a chance to read ito So, we will do it right now, Karr/ You are also going to have to wear your mics up here or speak into those here because we can't hear in the back. Horow/ Okay. Lehman/ It would appear to me that this should take place after the presentation. As long as we both like what we hear then I think we can say yeah, we think this is a great idea and we are going to proceed with it and I think that will be showing our intent. What happens down the line when we go (can't hear). If we do agree with the concept as presented then I think this is (can't hear). Horow/ Okay, I must say Ernie, that that- I hadn't thought of that merely because the Board of Supervisors had been given a presentation and we have been given a presentation and I had assumed that from those two points we could, you know, come up with this sort of a- Lehman/ And I think that is true. If we are going to have some sort of presentation I think that should be first and the letter second. Thisrepresents only a reasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowa City council meeting of October 24,1995. WS102495 October 24, 1995 Council Work Session Page 4 Johnson County Board of Supervisors/Airport Master Plan Horow/ Well, that will hold the Supervisors here. council/ (All talking). Kubby/ Agreement or disagreement about the concept plan. I haven't heard at all any feedback. Horow/ What we are doing right now is reading this as was requested. [Tape Problems] Throg/ If it is timely-Is this thing working? It doesn't sound like it. Doesn't sound like it is working constantly. So I will try. Having read the letter my gut feeling is that we do need to have a quick presentation of the material so we can know that we are talking about the same subject. I don't have any problem with what I see here at all. I think the city does indeed want to work with the county on this in a very cooperative kind of way. But the first sentence is real important because it says the city council and the Board have endorsed the concept for redevelopment as proposed with the current Airport Master Planning process. I think we need some clarity about exactly what that means. Whether it means committing ourselves to what we see up here or whether it means committing ourselves to a few key concepts. Horow/ I appreciate that, Jim, because what I tried to write here was leave out the word land which indicated a specific detail. That the concept was just that and that it is a Mater Planning profess that is now under way. I don't think that this council- I mean I know our council has not agreed on all the aspects of what we see here and I don't think that the Board of Supervisors has either. Kubby/ We have never talked about it as a council. Horow/ We have never really talked about it as a council so that is why I deliberately left it as a concept that is still under going its- We are pursuing a joint concept and making every effort to fulfill our obligations. Pigott/ So this doesn't commit us to that in stone is what you are trying to say. That is not your intent? Horow/ No. Thisrepresents only a reasonablyaccuratetranscrlptlon ofthelowa City council meeting of October 24,1995. WS102495 October 24, 1995 Council Work Session Page 5 Johnson County Board of Supervisors/Airport Master Plan Pigott/ Right. Because I wouldn't want to endorse this plan as is without having a full discussion on council. Throg/ There are certainly elements of it that I think are pretty good. So I would need to hear from the public and from the Planning Department and so on to help me clarify this. It seems to make sense to close down the north south runway given what we have heard about the other two runways. It makes a lot of sense to control with shared understandings on the part of all parties to control land use around the airport, immediately around it. Otherwise we are going to get into a real problem in terms of the future of that particular location and it makes a lot of sense to use that, develop it commercially and industrial. I think it is very wise. The part south of the east west arterial I don't want to commit to because I don't-I mean, maybe it is good, maybe it is not. I don't know but it is a little bit farther down the line for me personally. Horow/ Do the supervisors have a reaction to this? Duffy/ Again, this is just a concept of the airport plan. We did not vote on it in our formal meetings. We were presented with this plan and I am sure that we will have many more meetings before we approve the plan. But this is just an idea that a concept is an idea and I think it is a pretty good idea and we have listened to concerns to the surrounding landowners and other things. But still we did not vote on it and it looks to me like it is going to take several meetings to get this things resolved. Lacina/ It is also a long range plan. I received a couple of calls today of individuals, I think, were somewhat misinformed by some information that is out there. But a couple of key things have to happen. The first being the failure of the north south runway. When that concrete fails, the cost of replacing that runway will be between $3-5 million and at that point we have to look at the cost benefit of replacing it. So, that will be a key trigger. But the other thing is to protect the runway- what is the designation of the-Okay. We are eventually going to have to realign Dane Road in order to do anything with that runway as far as an extension. This is not going to happen tomorrow and if the owners of the property out there decide that they are not going to be doing anything for a while, they want to hold onto that property as is, it is going to remain in their control. So this isn't something that the city and Thlsrepresents only a reasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowe City council meeting of October 24,1995. WS102495 October 24, 1995 Council Work Session Page 6 Johnson County Board of Supervisors/Airport Master Plan the county are buying up and we are going to develop this tomorrow. This probably won't reach completion, in my opinion, in my lifetime. But at least it gives us a direction to start the planning for some of that infrastructure and so that we don't have a house being constructed at the end of the runway which is going to cause us problems in the future. And as Charlie says, it is a concept plan. It is going to long period of time for this to fall into place but I think our joint effort on this is great. Plus the fact that it is, as Jerry will point out in a little while, the lots and things that are in place may or may not happen if somebody comes in and wants bigger property or smaller properties. This is flexible to meet the demand as our county grows and the city. And I like the letter. I think it is very good. Horow/ Joe, Sally- Stutsman/ I would echo what Steve and Charlie said. I like the idea of a concept plan. That this is just a first step in a long process of planning and development and the idea of the city and the county working together towards a common goal. Horow/ Yeah, it helps. Bolkcom/ I think the challenge before us is really one of trying- Well, it is a long term plan and we know that property owners that live out in this area from time to time want to develop their ground and whatever planning we do needs to try and accommodate that and so we are looking at probably a long term development of this area. I think we need to move forward fairly quickly in determining at least in concept if not through a 28 Agreement, 28E Agreement, how we see this area developing in the future so that when we have more developments come in like Bob Wolfs that we struggled with a couple of months ago that we can fit those into this plan. And so I do think we have some work to do to try and figure out how the county's needs can be met and the city's needs be met in a mutual way. Kubby/ And really that is only fair to the property owners that they know what the expectations are. Nov/ We have to tell them that we expect to zone the property for industrial or commercial and somehow project the idea that we really don't want residential. Thisrepresents only areasonably eccuratetranscrtptlon ofthelowe Citycouncil meeting of October 24,1995. WS102495 October 24, 1995 Council Work Session Page 7 Johnson County Board of Supervisors/Airport Master Plan Kubby/ Residential is on the concept plan. Nov/ Not immediately around there. Pigott/ No, it is just below the east west arterial. Horow/ Bruno, anything else? Ernie? Lehman/ I think it is a good letter. Horow/ Okay. Are you comfortable, Larry? Baker/ At the end of the presentation and I am assuming-The only thing I want to make sure about, I think it has been mentioned before, is that we are agreeing to concepts here. We will have the concepts in front of us at one time and agree to them because we had individual meetings with various consultants and I have a sense of what is going on but I want to make that that is the common sense. Horow/ Okay, if you all wish, Jerry, do you want to take it for about half an hour or less? Great. Baker/ Preferably less. Jerry Searle/ Well, if I can keep from tripping over this cord here and walk between the two exhibits we will get through this presentation. It pleases me very much to have the opportunity to see both governing bodies together to take a look at this concept plan for the area surrounding the Iowa City Municipal Airport. We were retained to prepare an Airport Master Plan for the Iowa City Municipal Airport and prior to doing so we felt that it is essential to consider off site uses in the entire area as part of the plan because otherwise we would prepare a plan in conformance with FAA requirements, so on and so forth. We would have lines on the drawings but we would not have built a consensus, one that people understood. We felt this process is very important, very crucial, to the success of developing the Airport Layout Plan that will accommodate aviationing of Iowa City and the airport service area over the next 20 year period of time. We have approximately 50 based aircraft at the facility at the present. We anticipate there will be some growth reaching upwards of 70 airplanes and somewhere upwards of perhaps as many as 40,000 aircraft operations. We feel that the concept plan that we have set forth will accommodate that aviation activity and we have set This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 24, 1995. WS102495 October 24, 1995 Council Work Session Page 8 Johnson County Board of Supervisors/Airport Master Plan some priorities in terms of attempting to do that. One of those is to try to move the airport into a position where it is more self supporting, self sustaining that will generate more revenue that will be part of the infrastructure much like the roadway, sanitary sewer system, water distribution system, so on and so forth, that will encourage the development of compatible land uses adjacent and around the airport that will provide for job creation, increase tax base and other opportunities that we might not otherwise enjoyed to date. So with that I did give you a handout that basically, I think, sets forth this and says something about the developing concept from 1995 to year 2015. It is truly a long range plan. It is one that will evolve over time and be responsive to ever changing conditions and the first obligation that we have is to accommodate the aviation activity that we envision to take place within the airport service area. I think this plan also prioritizes the airport projects in order of priorities, being safety first, preservation second. Preservation we mean preserving the investment that has already been made. Making and using as much of that present investment of the airport facility as we possibly can. Third, our objective is to meet current FAA design standards and lastly, to consider any expansion type projects. Expansion being our lowest priority. In fact this plan is basically not an expansion. It basically focuses on the first three of the four categories. The plan also recognizes the public investments that have been made primarily in U.S. Highway 218 or Avenue of the Saints, Highway 1, Riverside Drive, the sanitary sewer improvements, future improvements in infrastructure that will be required in order to facilitate the development. Storm water management plans that have been put in place and so on and so forth. I think the plan also recognizes the investment the private sector has made. As we ought to focus on what the public sector does, I think the private sector itself has made a substantial commitment in investment in this particular area that further promotes the goals and objectives in the community. Horow/ Jerry, you are about to be interrupted. You can wonder- (Change of microphone.) Searle/ (Can't hear). Anyway, the concept plan itself also recognizes the environmentally sensitive areas, Ryerson Woods, the County Fairgrounds, the wetlands and hydric soils. It also recognizes prime farm land and any other agricultural resources as well as sites that may be considered of a historic nature. And lastly and I think the plan really encourages a cooperation between the city and the county and Thisrepresents only a reasonably accurate transcription ofthelowa Ci~ council meeting of October 24,1995. WS102495 October 24, 1995 Council Work Session Page 9 Johnson County Board of Supervisors/Airport Master Plan the private sector. I really think it is going to take a team effort between land owners, potential investors, developers, the City of Iowa City as well as Johnson County, other interest groups, to include even the FAA as a partner in this project and the IDOT. So it is simply something that is not going to be done by one individual or by a group of individuals. I think it will be in essence a collective effort. Let me explain a little bit the rationale behind the concept plan itself. Our primary obligation is to consider the needs of the airport. In doing so we need to accommodate foremost the aviation activity that we envision and in considering those options we begin to look at the existing airport infrastructure, that investment that has already been made and that is in place. One of the tools that we used is a program called Micropaver and we evaluated most of the pavements on the airport site. And this projects the condition of the pavement in about the year 2000 or five years from now. Basically the purple with the yellow represents pavements that are considered to be in fair to excellent conditions, those with the brown and red colors represent those pavements that tend to either be in poor or failed condition status. If we look at the sum total of all the pavement sections on the various runways we basically see that runway 17/35 is going to be the first of the three runway facilities to deteriorate and need to be reconstructed. At that time we consider that to be a major decision point as to whether or not to invest local funds in the preservation and reconstruction of that particular facility. By and large out goal is to have an airport that can get by with one runway. However because of winds and other conditions we need a two runway airport facility. So our recommendation will be in the final master plan to ultimately close runway 17/35. FAA will concur with that in as much as they will fund basically the two runway, that being runway 12/30 and runway 6/24. In conjunction then with that we would propose to accommodate the various runway safety areas, obstacle free areas, so on and so forth, associated with the runway 6/24 and that would include the extension of 1,200 and displacement of the threshold on each runway end. This will give us 1,000 runway obstacle free area beyond each runway threshold location as well as a runway safety area of 1,000 in length. Basically how that really works is that on landing the distance available, the distance between the two thresholds, on take off we can put the airplane on the end of the runway, have that total run available, and therefore have a length beyond that we presently enjoy and allow the aircraft to operate under fewer Thisrepresents only areasouably accuratetranscription ofthelowa Ci~ council meeting of Octobe; 24,1995. WS102495 October 24, 1995 Council Work Session Page 10 Johnson County Board of Supervisors/Airport Master Plan constrained or less of a constrained condition than they presently must operate on. Because of the fact that we can obtain our wind coverage on 6/24 for the larger airplanes, that basically means that runway 12/30 can be built and designed to a lesser standards and to that end we propose a 4,000 foot length along with the runway safety areas and obstacle free areas which we can accommodate on the present airport property. The site itself consists of about 450 acres of land that is currently used for the most part for aeronautical functions. In developing the concept then, it seemed logical to look at what impact and what would have to happen to allow the airport plan itself to take place. Primarily we would look at the relocation of Dane Road and we consider Dane Road to be a major arterial street in a north south direction and it seemed quite logical and made some sense that it should perhaps intersect with Mormon Trek, that being a signalized intersection and would provide then for traffic movement along and parallel as well as across Highway 218 ultimately. It also seemed to make some sense that we would need a east west connector, an arterial or collector type street extending basically from Dane Road on the south end of the airport to Riverside Drive. Those are the two main features in terms of transportation. We would also envision in some time in the future that there would be a sanitary interceptor sewer that would extend up along and through the Willow Creek drainage thus providing an opportunity perhaps for more intense development at a higher yield. we also considered the manufactured housing subdivision and how that would fit into the scheme of things and how that would be located south of this east west connector. We think that a range of housing choices given the lay of the land and so on and so fourth may be a suitable use for consideration. But our primary focus again is on the area immediately adjacent to the airport. With the closure of 17/35 it provides an opportunity to develop industrial and commercial sites on the airport itself and our objective there is to perhaps consider long term lease, 99 year type leases with considerable investment potential that would generate revenues then to the airport owner. We created an area just north and south of Highway 1 adjacent to an already established commercial area and a 60 r.o.w. that extends through the site, upwards of ten commercial lots. Again it was pointed out these lot lines can move from time to time. It is not a plat. It is simply an illustration as to how it might ultimately work. If we move then south with relocation of Dane Road to Mormon Trek, we will propose the acquisition of land approximately 20 acres or Thisrepresents only a reesonably accuretetranscrlption ofthe Iowa City council meeting of October 24,1995. WS102495 October 24, 1995 Council Work Session Page 11 Johnson County Board of Supervisors/Airport Master Plan so that would extend airport property to the intersection of 218 and Highway 1. For the most part, the airport property now follows the drainage way along Willow Creek and extends to a point where it does intersect Dane Road. So if any of you ever go out to that area you might be able to look at the chain link fence that was recently put in and that really demarks the location of airport property at the present. So the actual amount of acquisition is relatively small in comparison to the current site. The amount of land that would be available for commercial research development industrial use is in the neighborhood of 300 acres if we consider the entire site north of the east west connector and on runway 17 itself. What we envision here is an upper end research development park. We have proposed location of Dane to follow a ridge line that would basically begin to curve just north of a series of houses that are located on Dane Road itself. That would allow us an opportunity to create upwards of ten lots that we would recommend might be set aside as a research development park itself. Given the visibility that Highway 218 affords and the fact that the Avenue of the Saints will extend from St. Louis to St. Paul, it may some day carry considerable amounts of traffic and provide an opportunity for folks that own the ground to maximize their return on the investment that they have made in the past. That investment will be enhanced by the fact that we have provided access to the properties, hopefully utilizing federal moneys to pay for the relocation of the Dane Road. Ultimately it is something that is going to be caused by the runway extension itself and with the other infrastructure component we may see development then sometime into the future. As we move to the south we kind of set aside an area that is relatively flat with the northern part of the site being hydric soils, an indicator of potential wetlands whereby we set aside a light industrial area and then simply identified sites to the south and east for future commercial along Riverside Drive itself. The reason we focused on the residential was because we wanted to take the lay of the land, and again, and place a road essentially down the ridge line utilizing cul de sacs to extend between the various drainage ways and provide a transition then from the light industrial to a higher density residential to perhaps a lower density residential as a transitional kind of area as we move then closer to the fair grounds and Ryerson Woods itself which are resources that we think are important and should be protected. So that in essence is the concept plan and the reason that we think the concept plan is so important is that for us to proceed on with the airport layout plan and to deal with Thlsrepresents only areasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowa City council meeting of October 24,1995. WS102495 October 24, 1995 Council Work Session Page 12 Johnson County Board of Supervisors/Airport Master Plan specific elements of the airport such as apron area, hangar location, runway lights, pavement thickness, taxiway location, runway markings, and all those kinds of things that typically bore most people, we really feel that we have to get his out of the way first so we have some direction as to which way to go and then we can get on with the balance of the master plan itself. Horow/ Thank you, Jerry. Any specific questions? Larry? Sally? Joe? Bolkcom/ ¥eah, I had one relating to runway 1735 and the time frame in which that might actually be closed. I received at least a couple of calls from people concerned about that runway after the accident of last month and rather the time frame gets shorter as concern about that are expressed or whether or not we are looking at simply the life of that pavement, when that pavement wears out that is when it closes? Searle/ I consider that to be a local decision that be made by the Airport Commission but we would anticipate that somewhere within a 5-10 year period of time that the pavement itself would be at the point of failure and have to be reconstructed. There is no reason that the time frame could not be accelerated if that were the desire locally and that is why I think it is a local decision and is something that the Airport Commission, especially Howard, would have to wrestle with and make that decision. Another component of this particular plan in as much as these industrial sites are we might consider relocation of some of the municipal facilities to this site on the airport itself. So I think there is plenty. It is such a dynamic environment or dynamic area that I think some of the elements of the plan may be accelerated to accommodate specific needs. Lehman/ Jerry, if and when we extend whatever number that is 1200 feet, will it be necessary to have the north south runway open at the time construction is taking place on the other runway? Searle/ I think it would be desirable to do that but we would still be primerily working on this end of the runway and that would allow us to have a two runway airport. At the time we would still have runway 12/30 because we don't intend to reconstruct the entire runway. Where this area is purpose, it represents basically the expansion. Lehman/ It would probably be wiser to keep that runway open until Thisrepresents only are[~sonably accuratetranscription ofthelowa Citycouncil meeting of October24,1995. WS102495 October 24, 1995 Council Work Session Page 13 Johnson County Board of Supervisors/Airport Master Plan the extension is complete? Searle/ It would give you a lot more flexibility and better local service, yes. We have had airports with one runway that we have had to reconstruct and it always desirable to have two runways. Lehman/ What sort of time frame do you envision for the extension of that airport? Searle/ I think once the master plan is done I think FAA, assuming that they have the funds available, would make Iowa City a fairly high priority and my guess is we could see substantial movement probably within a three year period of time. Once we get the master plan done some time in April, in May FAA approves it. We submit our CIP, their funding is about two years out in the cycle. So, I would say 2-3 years I think. Kubby/ Really that is realistic to give it to them in one month and have them say we will fund it the next one? Searle/ No. What they would do is program sometime in the fall. Generally around September 30/October 1 is when the CIPs have to be in. So, if we are done say March, April, May, somewhere in that and make submittals by the coming September in the fall, then we would go into, hopefully, into the cycle and I do believe that Iowa City is a very important airport in terms of a national airport system. It is also an important airport within the state system and given that I do think FAA will consider and look upon it quite favorably. The other is to resolve the issue once and for all because the issues regarding the Iowa City Airport have been around for sometime. Kubby/ Although if the FAA continues to change what they consider to be their safety standards, I mean this couldn't be a confusing issue. I mean looking at 24/6 we can't expand on either end once we expand this amount. I mean as there are continual changes in the safety standards that you are not grandparented in on we still could have challenges in the future, even with a great plan. Searle/ Sure, things do change over time but that with all sorts of requirements. Kubby/ That is just a big given in life. Thisrepresents only a reasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowa City council meeting of October 24,1995. WS102495 October 24, 1995 Council Work Session Page 14 Johnson County Board of Supervisors/Airport Master Plan Searle/ Right and to that end then I think FAA will look at this as providing an adequate level of service for 25-30 years and then it has to be revisited again and when we look at the life cycle, the investment, the return, we are probably in fairly good shape. There is one other thing that is of interest and I would like to pass this out. I happen to be up at Ames last Saturday and they had on display a jet airplane that is possibly going to be manufactured in Ames, next to Ames Airport and located primarily there because of Iowa State University and this airplane is kind of a remarkable airplane. When we talk about runway lengths and how we need in the future, this is more of the state of the art kind of an airplane. It only costs about $1.5 million. Kubby/ State of the art price. Searle/ I want to pass this around because this airplane can operate quite comfortably at about 4,000 foot of runway and at sea level a little over 2,000 foot of runway. It is a single engine jet that carries-what does it carry? Well, I will pass it around and you can look at it yourself. I think we will see more of this sort of thing when we look 20 years into the future. What we will really want to focus on, I think the most important element of this plan is this opportunity adjacent to it and at least wise not let this considerable investment in infrastructure that we have already made not be utilized to the fullest and maximum extent possible. But I think you will find that some interest and hopefully they will get off the ground and they are using various (can't hear) materials that make planes lighter and so on and so fourth. Recycle plastic maybe, I don't know. Horow/ Charlie, Steve, any questions? Lacina/ Well, one point I think I was in error on and I had mentioned to someone I didn't think that the Dane Road alignment would take place for five years and it sounds like depending upon the funding of the FAA that it could possibly start taking place in 2-3 years. Searle/ Yes, I think it really depends onto a large extent, on the FAA and that is why I think it is important that the FAA be a partner in this thing because of 1-they are funding 90% of the cost~ Kubby/ They are a big partner. Thisrepresents only sreasonablyaccuratetranscrlption ofthelowa City council meeting of October 24,1995. WS102495 October 24, 1995 Council Work Session Page 15 Johnson County Board of Supervisors/Airport Master Plan Searle/ And secondly then to keep them fully informed as to what we are doing and why we are doing it. Lacina/ So the idea then is that this airport will be more of a working airport as far as warehousing and businesses around it and also keeping it open for the University and their uses. Searle/ Right. I think we should think of the airport as a commercial and industrial airport facility and develop the lands that are not utilized for aeronautical purposes or needs. Specifically use for other kinds of activities that will promote commerce within the community. Horow/ Bruno? Pigott/ Well, one of the interesting things. I notice that you have some wetlands marked off and tonight we are having a p.h. on sensitive areas ordinance. It seems that when you sort of sketched out this plan you have taken into account at least in part sensitive areas and I was just glancing over at our Sensitive Areas Inventory Map and wondered how you took that into account when you sketched this. Will there need to be refinement of that as we go on? Searle/ Oh, I think there will need to be refinement because I think there will even need to be refinement of that particular exhibit. But what we did is we went to the Planning Department and they gave us a book, a big book, and we went through that and took that information and basically sketched on that. So I think it basically reflects the same thing that is on the map. Horow/ Ernie, Karen? Okay- Nov/ One more comment here. This is a comment that came up at one of the meetings that I went to with other citizens and if we are going to consider industrial development we may need city sewer lines in this area and we may need annexation in the future sometime. So I just wanted to bring this out as a potential. Horow/ Okay. Lacina/ Just a procedural question now. Linda, we are not in a formal meeting to be able to take a vote but at the same time I would like some type of a roll call, straw poll to show the This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 24, 1995. WS102495 October 24, 1995 Johnson County commitment. Can we do that? Pigott/ You don't want to use that word. Horow/ Don't use that word. Lacina/ I am sorry. Pigott/ People said no to that idea. Lacina/ Could we do that? Could we just start Audience/ Madam Mayor- Horow/ Yes? Council Work Session Page 16 Board of Supervisors/Airport Master Plan at one end and- Audience/ In p.h. we are suppose to hear what you are saying. I don't think anybody back here has heard- Horow/ Well, that is part of our problem. We have-our mics are not totally working. This is certainly a public area. We are sorry if you cannot hear it. What Steve asked whether we could have some sort of an informal roll call-right, I am not going to use the word. Linda, what was your answer? Okay. Throg/ Susan, the question does point out something though. Ideally it would have been a lot better if we would have been able to use a 35 mm slide here so that everybody in the audience could have been able to see everything discussed. So I regret that was not the situation. Horow/ I would be interested though in the audience how many of you have already been to one of the gatherings that the Commission has had to give this presentation. Nov/ Many of them. Horow/ That is pretty good. Pigott/ Maybe other people could come up and look at this or we could turn it around if- Horow/ Yeah, I think afterwards if you wanted to take this out in the lobby and have just a mini briefing. I would certainly urge those who have not had an occasion to take a look and talk to Mr. Searle about it. But I appreciate everybody that Thisrepresents only areasonabiy accuratetranscription ofthelowe Citycouncil meeting of October 24,1995. WS102495 October 24, 1995 Council Work Session Page 17 Johnson County Board of Supervisors/Airport Master Plan has come and sustained an interest in this. Okay. Charlie- Kubby/ Is this about the letter? Horow/ This is about the letter. I want a nose count. Is it okay? Lacina/ I would feel more comfortable if we just all went on record as saying yes we support this in concept, yes we realize it is going to have to be flexible and build some things into it. But this gives us direction. Horow/ Charlie? Duffy/ Again I will ask-I see our County Attorney is here. Pat, is this all right to have a straw poll? Not to go over you, Linda, but- Kubby/ Informal indication. Duffy/ We are kind of sticklers on this thing. Woito/ Can you hear me? Nov/ Pick up the little microphone. Horow/ It should be right there. Woito/ I would suggest that you go ahead and take your nose counting and head nodding tonight but that you ratify your actions by form of a resolution (can't hear). Pat, do you agree? Pat White/ Yeah. I got some-You probably regret asking because I have got some substantive questions about this. This meeting didn't turn out to be anything what I expected it would be and I think there are a number of questions that need discussion. Horow/ Okay, can you give them? White/ I have real problems. I don't know anything about the plan. I haven't heard it. I haven't a clue what it is and to ask the Board of Supervisors to endorse a plan that affects land use gives me some reservations. That is what this says. Horow/ No, no, no. No, I deliberately deleted the word plan. This is a concept. Thisrepresents only areasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowa CIW council meetingof October24,1995. WS102495 October 24, 1995 Council Work Session Page 18 Johnson County Board of Supervisors/Airport Master Plan White/ The letter of intent to cooperate by- Horow/ Okay, cross out that word plan. Cross out that top word plan because this is a concept, Pat. I totally agree with you. Pigott/ What is you just said a concept. Horow/ I forgot to take that one at the very beginning. White/ Regardless Sue, it says maps. The question is if this is a land use plan of any sort, don't we need to go through our Zoning Commission and p.h.s and comp planning process before we-before the policy makers say this is how we are going to develop our land? Horow/ This is a letter of intent to cooperate. Does that have the same concern for you? White/ Well, I don't have any problem with that but in reviewing the proposed concept including maps, Johnson County and the City of Iowa City believe it is in our best interest to anticipate how certain areas will be developed- Horow/ Okay, want to take out the word map? White/ I don't have any reservation about cooperation. I am just not so sure that this one doesn't go too far and you need to remember also that experience with issues surrounding the airport will be both an advantage and disadvantage. I have gone through two trials, have either 4-5 more to go and the attorney representing the other side is in the room. But not withstanding that I don't mind saying I have been surprised in the past at things that I didn't realize were there at first blush. I think, for example, when we got to trial on the Hagen case it turned out we adopted an ordinance that said in some places you couldn't build higher than four feet off the ground. And if we would have understood that we wouldn't have done that. But we didn't understand it and so I am very cautious when it comes to land use decisions visa vis this airport. Kubby/ Can the letter be changed to just say that we are going to cooperate about developing a concept plan? Horow/ Look at #3 on the second page, Pat. This is really kind of the gist of this. It indicates that it is a planning process Thisrepresents only a reasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowa City council meeting of October 24,1995. WS102495 October 24, 1995 Council Work Session Page 19 Johnson County Board of Supervisors/Airport Master Plan still under going. White/ The problem I have with #3 although that is a policy question for the Board of Supervisors is whether they really want to participate in the Iowa City Airport Master Plan and what the connotations of liability that carries with it. Lacina/ Don't we now do so, Pat, in that we sign off on the land use policies? And in that example of the law suits we were named as defendants as well. White/ One of the things that I would say to my client when that point comes is if the city needs your signature on something, this might be a good time to ask them to hold us harmless on these lawsuits. Horow/ Pat, how can we get a letter that goes to the FAA saying that we have a feeling of mutual CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 95-123 SIDE 2 Nov/ I have no problem with having Pat revise the letter and I am sure Pat and Linda can get together and do that. I think we have all nodded our heads and conveyed our intent to cooperate and not to take off on a tangent on our own. I think that is all we have to do here. Horow/ I wanted to use the word comfortable but that is such a warm spongy fuzzy word that it was totally inappropriate but that is what we are talking about. Baker/ If Pat's concern is something that he's uncomfortable with this .... Horow/ Yeah. If you're comfortable. Baker/ If that's something you're comfortable with, knowing what our intentions are. White/ It certainly is easily done to write a letter that says we're going to cooperate. Kubby/ Can we just address our legal council to do this? Horow/ Do you to do this tomorrow so that I can get the names or signatures? This represents only e reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meetbig of October 24, 1995. WS102495 October 24, 1995 Council Work Session Page 20 Johnson County Board of Supervisors/Airport Master Plan White/ I have not five minutes open for the next two weeks. Horow/ Oh, Pat, can you delegate this to somebody? White/ I guess. Horow/ Okay. I'd really like to push this on, just get it off here. White/ I don't have anybody else who's been involved in this very important litigation. Nov/ Well this is not a settlement of litigation. This is just a letter of intent to cooperate. I think we can get it done. White/ Had I known what you were going to do I would've dealt with it. I thought I was coming to a meeting to hear both boards discuss this plan. Kubby/ Not to agree on a document? I was taken aback when. Horow/ It's used as a tool to kind of move us forward on it. White/ It skips over what I thought you were going to do, but maybe you've already done that, which is fine. Woito/ Is there something tonight that is motivating this that we could not wait two weeks for Pat and I to get together? Is there something I am missing in terms of timing? Horow/ No, I don't think so. Just move. Pigott/ Let's just arrange for- Kubby/ The Airport Master Plan is still going to go forward in this time period. So it is not like we are going to wait to do anymore planning or have our consultant or Airport commission be waiting while we are- Woi~o/ But if you are going to use these two weeks to be comfortable and come back with something worse I would like to hear it. Kubby/ You two can figure that out. Pigott/ Yeah, why don't you do it? Thisrepresents only a reasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowa City council meeting of October 24,1995. WS102495 October 24, 1995 Council Work Session Page 21 Johnson County Board of Supervisors/Airport Master Plan White/ I can write a letter that says we are going to cooperate. I am scheduled to be at the Board's formal meeting on November 2 and I think that is the next time I see you and I could have to them that day a revision of this. Woito/ Okay. Horow/ Let me ask Scott Horan, our Chair of our Commission, are you comfortable? God this word is driving me nuts. Are you comfortable with this two week period of time? Scott Horan/ I think so. I am really happy to see everybody cooperating and getting involved in it. We are just volunteers trying to do a good job and take care of some community infrastructure. Two weeks is two weeks after all. That puts it off a little bit farther and it is of some concern to us and we would hope that if there was anyway to get it done sooner we would- Kubby/ I don't understand this. We are not going to be sending our Airport Master Plan in the next two weeks or the next six weeks. We are not going to be asking for any decision made by the FAA within that time frame. So I guess I don't understand. Horan/ When we were waiting to be funded for this particular project and time went on and time went on, two weeks became pretty important. So it is a consideration, Karen, that is all. Kubb¥/ I guess I still don't really understand because we are not slated to have out master plan finished and turned into them for quite awhile. Horan/ That is true. Kubby/ I mean until the beginning of the year, into spring. Horan/ We would like to keep, you know, we would like to keep Jerry working and on his own schedule. Kubby/ Oh yeah. I would not want to hold up them, the consultants, doing their job in this time frame. Lehman/ But isn't this meeting really kind of twofold. i-To let the FAA know of our agreement to agree and the other to let Jerry know that we think he is going in the right direction? And we Thisrepresents only areasonably accurate transcription oftholowa City council meeting of October24,1995. WS102495 October 24, 1995 Council Work Session Page 22 Johnson County Board of Supervisors/Airport Master Plan have in fact let him know. So, his work can continue if this letter is ten days or two weeks. Kubby/ But conceptually we can agree. Lehman/ I think the important thing is Jerry knows that there is conceptually we have agreed to agree. Horow/ And if there is anyway Pat that you can get this to the Board quicker than two weeks, fine, that is, you know- White/ I leave town Thursday morning and I am in trial Monday. So that there really isn't- Horow/ Okay. All right, thank you very much. Lacina/ I might be right after all. It may be five years before Dane Road is relocated. Horow/ Thank you, Board. Lacina/ I do want to commend Jerry and Karen Countryman for the work that they have done on this plan. They did a lot of work meeting with people and I want to commend them for that. Balkcam/ So, will we get together again to do more on this. Horow/ I hope not. Why would we? Kubby/ To talk about this- Horow/ Oh, yes, but not the letter. Balkcam/ We might want to set aside some time soon to talk about that Fringe Area Agreement between us. Horow/ Yes, Charlie and I have to get dates for that. Adjourned: 7:28 PM This represents only a reasonably accurste transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of October 24, 1995. WSI02495