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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2005-01-18 TranscriptionJanuary 18, 2005 Council Work Session Page 1 January 18, 2005 Council Work Session 6:15 PM COUNCIL: Bailey, Champion, Elliott, Lehman, O'Donnell, Vanderhoef & Wilbum STAFF: Atkins, Karr, Dilkes, Helling, Franklin TAPES: 05-11, Side 1 1-80 Land Use Planning Area Franklin/First item is to talk about the 1-80 land use planning area. You had asked that we have some work session discussion of this area, and... Karr/You need to wear your mic because I am recording, even though we're not on T.V. Franklin/...and I put together a very brief memorandum for you on this to get the discussion started. As I did point out at the end of the memorandum, this is something that will need to go through the Planning and Zoning Commission for an amendment to the Comprehensive Plan, and all that sort of thing, but to outline some of the issues that are here in this area. As you recall, it came up as a consequence of your discussion about the TIF, the urban renewal plan in the Northgate area, and what's shaded is a portion of the North Corridor Planning Area, that which is east of Highway 1, and north of Interstate 80, and extends out to Iowa City's growth area, and the growth area, as you recall, is defined by what we believe we can serve with our sanitary sewer system. In this particular area, it's based upon what can be served by the Highlander Lift Station. There are some capacity issues with the Highlander Lift Station, with downstream from the Highlander Lift Station, which will need to be evaluated and may then precipitate some capital improvements that would need to be included in our Capital Improvement Program for full development of this area. So that's one issue to look at. Transportation is another big item that always comes up with when an area is going to develop, and this is the section of the City through which the Oakdale Extension would come; from Coralville, across the Iowa River, crossing Prairie du Chien, then Highway 1 and over Interstate 80 and connecting down to...(someone asks a question)...that's that dark line, yeah. Now we've got an alignment study that fixes some points on that line, but is not an engineered alignment. The points that are fixed in the area that we're talking about are that point on Highway 1... (someone in audience is talking)...the point on Highway 1 and then this point on Interstate 80 are fixed points, based upon environmental concerns, cutting and filling and grading and costs and the length of the route. O'Donnell/Karin, would you show me Prairie du Chien up there. Franklin/Prairie du Chien is over here. Okay? And so, this is just, you know, bolt straight because it's just an idea. It's not a true alignment. So this general area is where Oakdale would come, starting here, and coming through this property and This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the January 18, 2005 Iowa City Council Work Session. January 18, 2005 Council Work Session Page 2 around, and getting down to Scott Boulevard. The concept has been, to date, which of course can change at your direction, and that concept is that the road would be built as development occurred. Now, it may be, depending upon what happens in this area and the ability of a property owner to make Oakdale happen, that the City would need to get involved, in terms of acquiring the right-of-way for Oakdale to come through there, and those are all discussions that we would have as a project came up. So, we've got some issues with sewer capacity, nothing that is debilitating; some issues with transportation, also nothing that can't be fixed with money. The other thing to look at, of course, is what the land use needs are in the community, and we have always looked at this area as office research park, and in fact, it is zoned ID-ORP, which is the interim development indicating a lack of services, and ORP for office research park. Well, as I indicated in the memorandum, office research park hasn't been a stellar performer in our community, partly because of the competition from Oakdale Research Park. It's just a much more attractive package financially to locate in Oakdale than any private developer could provide here in Iowa City, and so the office research park development that we've seen is that which has existed, A.C.T. and N.C.S. Pearson. The office research park zoning requires a 7-acre minimum lot. That's a good size chunk, and the reason was to try to have development for office uses in the kind of A.C.T. type of development in which you had large campus-like settings. So I guess what I'm suggesting is that we maybe need to rethink the reality of that, given the market place. Northgate Corporate Park, which started out as a research development park; the difference there being smaller lots, the ability to have manufacturing uses as well as prototype manufacturing, started out that way but mainly has developed for office-type uses, and in fact, was just recently rezoned to commercial office. As we've just kind of preliminarily, and I say "we" being the staff and Southgate Development, particularly, have looked at this area. We've talked about commercial office. We've talked about ID-ORP. The staff's view on ID-ORP has had to do with having an opportunity for that kind of development in our community. So that's what I mean when I say looking at what are our land use needs? What kinds of things do we need in the community, and where are some good locations for them? And this area, because of the access to Interstate 80, has some opportunities that you don't have in other places. So this is just something to think about. The last point I would make has to do with transitions to the rural landscape. Because this area is at the extent of our growth area, at least for our life times, we need to look at how we are going to transition from some of the more urban type of developments to the rural development that would take place just on the other side of the growth area. With Oakdale Boulevard coming through there we've got a main arterial. Sometimes an arterial is a place to make that transition, or it could be on the back of development that happens on the north and east side of Oakdale, transitioning from that to something less intense. So that's all out there. I guess I would then open up to your questions or discussion, but keeping in mind that for this all to actually have some change happen here, we need to look at some of these issues a little bit more, in a little bit This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the January 18, 2005 Iowa City Council Work Session. January 18, 2005 Council Work Session Page 3 more detail, particularly the technical issues of the sewer, and then it needs to go through Planning and Zoning. So...thoughts? Vanderhoef/Just for information, what year did we do this plan? The original North Corridor planning? Franklin/Um...97. Now we talked about ORP in this area before the 1997 Comprehensive Plan. We talked, we've talked about office research park at this interchange from at least 1983, because I know we did it with that Comprehensive Plan in 83. And the whole idea there was we have the interchange with Interstate 80. It's one of those opportunities to have an office research park-type of development. A.C.T. was a proponent of having campus-type development around them, and around this interchange, and so I think that whole concept was popular at that time, and it seemed like a good idea. Elliott/What are the parameters of development that can occur in this area? On one hand to the other hand.., what kinds of things could be developed there? Franklin/Oh, you could do the full range, suits to nuts. I mean, you could have residential to industrial... Elliott/Residential, retail? Franklin/...if you choose. You know, in terms of what actually would work, I think we've got to look at what we've got there right now, which is primarily Northgate Corporate Park, which is a major factor. Elliott/So you're thinking, at least at this time, the preference would be more office type. Franklin/Well, my thoughts now are to open it up more, to keep it open up more to the research development park opportunities, because you can do office within that, and not to preclude the possibility of some kind of manufacturing uses. The only thing that you can't have, well let's see...the only thing that you can have in CI-1, the commercial office, that you can't have in ID-ORP is religious institutions. I think that's a correct statement. Elliott/No, that's what I was looking for, Karin. Franklin/I'm pretty sure about that. Vanderhoef/Couple of things strike me...number one, the Highway 1 that is going to be upgraded at some point in time, to a super 2, and major arterial, so I would look at the Oakdale Boulevard comer, all four comers, both east and west of Highway 1, as some commercial kind of activity. It may well be the gas station/deli-mart, some of those kinds of activities. Certainly, we have plenty of areas within our city that can develop with residential, so buffering the residential that is there, to This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the January 18, 2005 Iowa City Council Work Session. January 18, 2005 Council Work Session Page 4 me seems like an appropriate activity, even if it is some townhouse type things or high-rise multi-family kinds of things. Franklin/So transitioning from commercial to the low-density residential. Vanderhoef/Uh-huh. But very little of that. The topography (can't hear) a couple of big ravines that are on the east of the Northgate Park area. I'm not as familiar what natural barriers are there beyond those two ravines, closer to where Oakdale, or Scott, will cross, over to Oakdale. What's north of there? Franklin/There's a drainage way that goes east/west, about in here. Is that about right? As I recall...I don't know that there's any other major topographical... Vanderhoef/Otherwise just rolling or fairly flat. Franklin/Uh-huh, yeah, it rolls, and the elevation goes up to Linden Heights, up here, this is higher at this point. Now, one of the other factors that we have in here, in terms of just things in the mix, this property right here, is a Century Farm. On this side, this is pretty boggy, but this point was chosen for the crossing of Oakdale because that was the best. I mean, we've got the Rapid Creek watershed coming through here. You know, this is where the cows get up on the bridge when the water comes, so, yeah, there's a lot of flood plain there. So there are some constraints in this area, too. Vanderhoef/But our growth area on the south side of the Oakdale Boulevard line there, clear to the west, to the west, across Highway 1. Franklin/Oh, here? Vanderhoef/Yeah, all the way over there, that's pretty folly, and where's that road that you mentioned in the comments that is slowly developing from an existing rural residential out there? Franklin/I did? Vanderhoef/Yeah. Franklin/Um...there's Rapid Creek Road; we've got rural residential off of there. I'm having a senior moment; I don't remember writing that. What did I say? Or is it in the Comp Plan thing? Vanderhoef/Well, the one, I think it is. Lehman/And that's the one that was written in 97. Your memo from the 12th, I don't think, mentions it. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the January 18, 2005 Iowa City Council Work Session. January 18, 2005 Council Work Session Page 5 Vanderhoef/No, not the... Franklin/Okay. Well, Rapid Creek Road is where we've had some growth in the rural residential development in the county. Vanderhoef/Because I suspect everything between Highway 1 and Prairie du Chien will turn into residential, and keep the arterial pretty vanilla residential, until you get to the comer, whatever you can do in that boggy area. Franklin/Yeah, un-huh. Bailey/In addition to the competition'from the Oakdale Research Park, what have been the other challenges in making this a thriving research development? Franklin/Aside from Oakdale? Bailey/Aside from that competition? Franklin/I think the only other challenge is similar to industrial, in that for large users like that, the market is not as broad as it is for smaller commercial, and so, as with industrial property, it means that you hold on to it for a longer period of time before development occurs, before you get that one special user. That would be the only other thing I would think of. Vanderhoef/Well I agree with your thoughts about keeping the large lot in mind right now, just because at the present time we really don't have a lot of large lots available. We may be opening up some more, but the potential out there is good, and it's from a different location, different area draw, from the north. So, I don't want much residential in there, personally, the way I see it. Bailey/That's the way I see it, as well. Franklin/And that's not what is in any of the documents that we have so far, such that if someone came in for a residential development, it would not be consistent with our Comprehensive Plan, as it now stands. Vanderhoef/Just the, the buffer area there beside the Century Farm might, might be one buffer area that could be reserved for some multi-family at that point. If the cornfield disappears, and the view disappears off the cornfield, some sort of a buffer area might be needed in there. Franklin/So at this point I'm hearing that we don't have to look at any immediate changes. There's concern that residential not take up this space. Lehman/Which is the way it is now, right? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the January 18, 2005 Iowa City Council Work Session. January 18, 2005 Council Work Session Page 6 Franklin/Exactly. Lehman/Okay. Wilburn/Karin, I was just, I just looked it up; religious institution was the one, and that's by special exception. I'm just impressed that you... Franklin/I try to impress you. (laughter) Okay, shall we go on to P and Z items? Plannin~ and Zoning Item 7a. CONSIDER A MOTION SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR FEBRUARY 1, ON AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO REVISE THE LAND USE MAP FOR THE SOUTHWEST DISTRICT PLAN. Franklin/Okay, the first one is to set a public hearing for February 1st on an amendment to the Comp Plan to revise the Land Use Map for the Southwest District Plan. This is the Davis property in the northwest quadrant of the intersection of 218 and Highway 1, not this site here. Ignore the picture on the screen (laughter). That's coming in for annexation and rezoning, but we'll do the Comp Plan change first. Item 7b. AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE BY CHANGING THE ZONING DESIGNATION FROM MEDIUM DENSITY SINGLE- FAMILY RESIDENTIAL (RS-8) TO SENSITIVE AREAS OVERLAY/MEDIUM DENSITY SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL (SAO/RS-8) ZONE AND A PRELIMINARY SENSITIVE AREAS DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR OLDE TOWNE VILLAGE. (REZ04- OOOO5) Franklin/ The next one, Item B, is the public hearing on, which you will start tomorrow night but continue to February 1st because of the notice issue. Lehman/We're going to do this tonight, and we're going to continue... Franklin/I mean tonight; that's right it's tonight, isn't it? Vanderhoef/Which one? Franklin/B. Open it, see if anybody wants to speak, continue it to February 1st. Okay. This is for a Sensitive Areas Overlay in a planned development on the RS-8 property, and a preliminary plat on the RS-8 and CC-2 property that you see shaded. Well, that's very small and not very enlightening, but here, I'll try to enlighten you. This is the commercial area. There are 10 commercial lots included in this. The comer property is owned by another property owner and is not part of this project. This has been conceptualized in such a way that there This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the January 18, 2005 Iowa City Council Work Session. January 18, 2005 Council Work Session Page 7 could be a connection to this property, at a future date, to include it in the commercial development. The southerly portion, south of Old Town Road, we have some multi-family townhouse-style buildings along this area. It is then zero lot line, interior buildings here. These are, they look like duplexes; it's two units of zero lot line in this area; and also around this eyebrow. These are single-family lots here, abutting the single-family to the east; and then single-family along Lower West Branch Road; and the stormwater management area is where the old lagoons were, are, for the Care Center. The Care Center will be on municipal sewer. Those lagoons will be removed, and in this area there will be a reconstructed wetland, in which there will be wetlands constructed in such a way that they step down and filter the water as the water goes through it, and that will also be their stormwater management area. That still has to be approved by the Corps of Engineers, and we will require that approval prior to the final plat. Neighborhood open space will be fees in lieu of, as opposed to dedication; and that is the meat of it. Any questions? Vanderhoef/You talked about alleys in there, and I can see a bunch of the single-loads, but what I was very interested in was the multi-family that faces Scott, and it talks about garages under. Franklin/You come in here, and this is your drive access to those units that are along Scott here and likewise, you have a similar drive here, and access to the units. Vanderhoef/And is that the area that will be the 26-foot wide instead of the 28? Streets? Franklin/No, those...let's see, I have to look. Vanderhoef/I was guessing as I was trying to decipher it, but if all the garages are under... Franklin/Those will be just, those won't be streets; and they're not going to be alleys either. It's like a driveway into those units. So the reduction on the street ~vidth, you know, I'm going to have to look that up, because I can't see it on this. This is too small too. The names of the streets are probably in the staff report. Vanderhoef/Yeah, Glastonbury and... Franklin/Glastonbury is this one; this is the court, Westbury Court; and then Thornbury is here. Vanderhoef/So all those that have garages under, have a front door with no parking in front of them, and accessibility into the house means you walk up a flight of stairs. Is that correct? From the back? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the January 18, 2005 Iowa City Council Work Session. January 18, 2005 Council Work Session Page 8 Franklin/I would have to assume so, Dee. I don't see the elevation in the document, because the only elevations are, it looks like, no...those are the townhouses. I would assume so. Vanderhoef/I just really don't like that design when there isn't this front door usage for any.., pardon me? Champion/It's very common, especially in cities with condos along the arterials. I think it's very attractive, actually. Vanderhoef/But the accessibility of those units are nil. Champion/Nil to whom? Vanderhoef/To anyone who can't climb a flight of stairs. Champion/Well my house would be nil for them too. Vanderhoef/But they can get in the front door without... Champion/Can't get in my front door without climbing the stairs. Vanderhoef/But not a full flight. Lehman/Well, there's an awful lot of homes that you can't get into without climbing steps, and topography sometimes dictates what you have to build. Franklin/This does drop away from Scott to the east. I ... O'Donnell/Well there's a lot of homes in this area also, and not all of them you have to climb steps. This is a portion of them. Franklin/Right; I mean all the ones on the, this little one here you won't; here you won't; and these are all single-family. No; they're front-loaded. Vanderhoef/Just the ones along Scott? Again, are... Franklin/Just here and here; and these, I mean, I can't say absolutely on these whether they would have to be that way. These, unless you had driveways all along Scott Boulevard, which we wouldn't allow, you'd have to have some other kind of housing type. Vanderhoef/Just to drive in the front door, past the whole .... exit from the back (several talking at once). No, I know we've got them all over the city; I just do not like that design because I think it makes everyone (can't here). This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the January 18, 2005 Iowa City Council Work Session. January 18, 2005 Council Work Session Page 9 O'Donnell/That's the wonderful thing about Iowa City. There's a lot of different housing and you have the option of buying exactly what you want. Vanderhoef/I know; I understand. Elliott/I agree with you, Dee, but if a developer wants to build them, somebody's going to buy them or else he'll be stuck with it. I don't know why somebody would want to have a front door they couldn't use, but apparently they do, so...doesn't bother me. Champion/You can use it. Bailey/You can use the front door. Elliott/Why would you? O'Donnell/So you can go in the front of the house. Elliott/There's no street. (laughter) Why would you use the front door? (several talking at once) They'll build it and somebody'il buy it. That's fine. I don't care. That's their house, not mine. Franklin/There is a choice here, which I think is probably an important part of it. Lehman/Moving along. Elliott/Yes, let's do. Item 7c. CONSIDER A LETTER TO THE JOHNSON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF A REZONING FROM COUNTY A2, RESORT TO COUNTY RS, SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL, FOR A 3.25 ACRE PROPERTY LOCATED EAST OF SAND ROAD AND SOUTH OF SYCAMORE STREET (CZ04-00002) Franklin/Okay, Item C is a letter to the Johnson County Board of Supervisors, recommending an approval on a rezoning from A-2 to RS. This is at the Sycamore L and Sand Lake, or Gilbert Street; not Sand Lake. Sand Road, Gilbert Street. There are two existing houses on this 3.25 acres, and the request is to rezone it to enable them to split it into two different lots. On our Comp Plan it shows it for commercial; however, what this does is it reflects an existing situation, so what our suggestion, the Planning and Zoning Commission's suggestion, is that this be subdivided, or that this be rezoned to the RS to enable this to happen, but commit to just two lots, as opposed to three, and eliminate one of the driveways that now... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the January 18, 2005 Iowa City Council Work Session. January 18, 2005 Council Work Session Page 10 O'Donnell/So they'll share the driveway? Franklin/No, they'll each have a driveway, but now there's two on Sand Road, and one on the L. There's a drive here for this house; there's one here and one here, and this one is the one that's suggested to be closed. O'Donnell/On Sand Road...okay? Franklin/Yes. Elliott/This is at the owner's request? Franklin/To do what? To rezone it? Elliott/To do these changes. Franklin/Yes. To rezone it. Elliott/And we're requesting Johnson County's approval for what we want to do? Franklin/Well, the way that, this is part of our fringe agreement, and whenever there is, because this is in the County, whenever there is a rezoning that comes before the County that's within Iowa City's two-mile extraterritorial jurisdiction, the County has agreed by a 20/80 that the City can comment on that zoning, and so we review it through Planning and Zoning, and the Council and make comments. Elliott/So we're not requesting approval; we're just...here's our comment. Franklin/Yes, your recommendation to the County Board. Item 7d. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION SEVERING APPROXIMATELY 194 ACRES OF TERRITORY FROM THE CORPORATE LIMITS OF THE CITY OF IOWA CITY, IOWA. Franklin/ Okay, and the last item is a resolution severing approximately 194 acres from Iowa City so that it can be annexed to the City of Coralville. This is on the west side; it's part of the whole Clear Creek Master Plan and the Camp Cardinal Project, Camp Cardinal Road Project. This severance and the contemplated annexation to Coralville is something that has been in our planning and documents for a number of years. We do have a 20/80 agreement with Coralville that outlines this possibility, and so this is kind of bringing to fruition something that has been anticipated for some time. And I'm done. Lehman/Thank you, Karin. Franklin/You are welcome. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the January 18, 2005 Iowa City Council Work Session. January 18, 2005 Council Work Session Page 11 Agenda Items Lehman/Agenda items? Item 12. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION TO FILE AN APPLICATION FOR A HISTORIC RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM (HRDP) GRANT TO OBTAIN FUNDS FOR THE PURPOSE OF UPDATING THE 1992 IOWA CITY HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLAN. Elliott/I have Item 12. Lehman/Okay. Elliott/I really hate to do this because I would like for Iowa City to promote historic preservation, but I don't like to do it in absence of what appears to me, reason, and if precedence holds, we will reappoint someone to Historic Preservation Commission with an occupation that deals with this, and a Masters Degree in this area, and yet we want to hire a consultant that will spend $13,000 of our money and $13,000 of the federal government's tax money, and I don't see a reason for doing that. Vanderhoef/I guess I would like to follow on with a question with that. As I started reading the fine print on the grant request, it's like... Franklin/Uh-huh, you mean the part we tried to sneak by ya? (laughter) Vanderhoef/No, didn't say that at all, Karin, but I got surprised on a previous one that we approved. So I'm... Franklin/Where are you, Dee? Vanderhoef/Well, wherever the grant application is. Franklin/Just where in... Vanderhoef/Yeah, it's G. Statement of Assurances; and what our requirement is if we take the grant, and we study the area, and then the Item C, under G, that if the proposed project impacts the property listed on or having qualities making it eligible for listing on the National Registry of Historic Places, the applicant will consult with Historic Preservation Section State Historical Society of Iowa, and will act in accordance with the Secretary of Interior's standards for archeological and historic preservation. So, this is sort of like, we got caught on the other time in that we didn't understand that once we approved a grant, and if the study came This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the January 18, 2005 Iowa City Council Work Session. January 18, 2005 Council Work Session Page 12 back and said this is eligible for, then they went forward and put together the application and proceeded with it from the Commission level. Franklin/The Secretary of Interior's standards do not require an affirmative action to put something on a register. But, if you are going to put something on a register, then you need to comply with the Secretary of Interior's standards. I know exactly what you're saying, Dee. The implication certainly is, if you are going to use money from the State for the purposes of historic preservation. If you're going to take it from those funds, which the State has designated for historic preservation, you are going to consult with the State when you do anything in the arena of historic preservation, and you're going to follow the guidelines that are the Secretary of Interior's standards. Yes? We are under this obligation as a CLG, a Certified Local Government. I don't think this particular clause ratchets that up any higher than where we already are, but I can understand why it has given you pause. Lehman/If the property is listed, or having qualities that make it eligible to be listed, then that property will act in accordance with the Secretary of Interior's standards. Franklin/Then we will consult with the Historic Preservation Section of the State Historical Society of Iowa, and will act in accordance with the Secretary of Interior's guidelines, but the Secretary of Interior's guidelines do not say "you must designate a property as a historic property." Lehman/No, no, but it says, if it's listed or would qualify, it doesn't say it has to be listed. It says if it qualifies. Franklin/Yes; if it's eligible or if it's listed. Lehman/If it's eligible, then the action will be in accordance with the Secretary of Interior's standards. Franklin/Right, right. Elliott/And it's out of our hands then? Vanderhoef/Well, that's the way it came back to us this last time. Franklin/No. Vanderhoef/That once we had accepted the grant, that they could, the Historic Preservation Commission, could apply for and did so, and it never came back to Council. Franklin/Yes, because that grant was to designate a historic district. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the January 18, 2005 Iowa City Council Work Session. January 18, 2005 Council Work Session Page 13 Champion/Right, this is to update. Franklin/This is to update the Preservation Plan. It's two different kinds of grants. That was a matter of that being the...the purpose of that whole grant was to designate that historic district. Vanderhoef/But the plan, the previous plan, that was sort of surprising to Council, or that's what .... was the fact that the previous plan that had been done back in the early 90's, before any of us were on the... Franklin/The Preservation Plan? Vanderhoef/Uh-huh, was done with a similar type grant, and once that plan was put together, it was approved and the Commission took control of doing that, not the Council. Champion/Well that would be their role. (several talking at once) Vanderhoef/But the point is that once it's on the Plan, and we've accepted the Plan, Eleanor, you're shaking your head. Tell me what. Dilkes/The problem Council had in the last time around was the Gilbert-Linn area is that when the grant for studying and designating that district came through Council, Council did not pay attention to it, or pay the attention to it that you wish you had when it got to the point of designating. Then designation was what the grant was for. This is, that didn't have anything to do, the bind you found yourself in in that situation didn't have anything to do with the fact that there had previously been an historic plan adopted by the City. It was the fact that you had taken money from the State to designate the district, and then decided you didn't want to designate that district. That's a different situation than taking money from the State to update an historic preservation plan. Vanderhoef/But ... Franklin/Because then you have to adopt the plan when it's updated. It goes through quite a lengthy process, and it's part of our Comprehensive Plan, and it has to then be adopted as part of the Comprehensive Plan. Vanderhoef/So we would have, it would come back to Council to be approved or disapproved or some deletions, some additions, those kinds of things. Franklin/Absolutely, yes, yes. Vanderhoef/Okay. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the January 18, 2005 Iowa City Council Work Session. January 18, 2005 Council Work Session Page 14 Lehman/Okay, Karin, addressing Bob's concern, is it possible for someone who serves on the Historic Preservation Commission to do this kind of work? Franklin/Do you mean would they do it for free? Lehman/Or could they do it? Franklin/They could do it if they would be willing to do it. Elliott/I think that's why you get on a commission, to contribute. We have people on commissions who are in their profession, and they make their contribution through that. Franklin/If they met the qualifications of architectural historian, I guess. Bailey/I think that that's a little extreme expectation of a commission member. I mean, they do already contribute... (several talking at once) Elliott/We have a gentleman sitting in the audience who just chaired the Charter Review Commission, and... Champion/And, did he do a (can't hear) Elliott/No, but he was calling on his professional... Champion/Yeah, but that's different. This is an in-depth study for a part-time commission member. Elliott/Yeah, the Commission does it... Champion/I disagree. Elliott/...under the guidance. Appointments Lehman/Are there other agenda items? Well, let's, no, no, we need to do the appointments. For the Board of Adjustments, we have two applicants. O'Donnell/I'd like to nominate Ned Wood. Champion/That's good. Vanderhoef/I would go with Charlie. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the January 18, 2005 Iowa City Council Work Session. January 18, 2005 Council Work Session Page 15 Bailey/I would too. Wilburn/I would also. Lehman/How many would go for Ned Wood? Ned will be our appointee. The other one is Richard Carlson for Historic Preservation. O'Donnell/Richard Carlson is on his first term, and... Bailey/No, he was on, and then he wasn't reappointed. Vanderhoef/He had filled an unexpired, and then he had one term, and he applied for a second term on top of that. (several talking at once) Bailey/I'm good. O'Donnell/I'm fine with Richard. Elliott/I would hope that the other individual who appeared to me to be a very good applicant, I would hope that he would apply again. Champion/All the candidates for these commissions were excellent. Elliott/To me, the precedent is that Mr. Carlson, Professor Carlson, gets appointed. Lehman/We're going to take five and then we'll be back at 7:00 PM to start the meeting. (TAPE ENDS) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the January 18, 2005 Iowa City Council Work Session.