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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1995-09-20 Agenda AGENDA IOWA CITY CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING - SEPTEMBER 20, 1995 6.~ P.M. COUNCILLCHAMBERS ITEM NO. 1 - CALL TO ORDER. ROLL CALL. ITEM NO. 2 - RECONSIDER RESOLUTION NO. 95-265 DIRECTING THE JOHNSON COUNTY AUDITOR TO PLACE THE QUESTION OF A PRESIDENTIAL ADVISORY BALLOT BEFORE THE QUALIFIED ELECTORS OF IOWA CITY, IOWA AS A PUBLIC MEASURE, TO BE VOTED UPON AT THE GENERAL CITY ELECTION OF NOVEMBER 7, 1995. Comment: At their regular Council meeting of September 12, 1995, Council voted to reconsider a resolution passed August 29, 1995 regarding the Presidential Advisory Ballot question. If this motion passes the ballot question remains with the Auditor for inclusion on the November ballot. If the motion fails staff recommends proceeding to item number 3 for clarifying purposes and delivery to the Johqson tio.: ITEM NO. 3 - CONSIDER A RESOLUTION RESCINDING RESOLUTION NO. 95-265 WHICH DIRECTED THE JOHNSON COUNTY AUDITOR TO PLACE THE QUESTION OF A PRESIDENTIAL ADVISORY BALLOT BEFORE THE QUALIFIED ELECTORS OF IOWA CITY, IOWA, AS A PUBLIC MEASURE ("CITYVOTE") TO BE VOTED ON NOVEMBER 7, 1995, AS NO LONGER EXPRESSING THE WISHES OF THE CITY COUNCIL. Comment: see item above. ^ctio,-,: ITEM NO. 4 - CONSIDER A MOTION TO ADJOURN SPECIAL M~ETING. #2 page 1 ITEM NO. 2 - RECONSIDER RESOLUTION NO. 95-265 DIRECTING THE JOHNSON COUNTY AUDITOR TO PLACE THE QUESTION OF A PRESIDENTIAL ADVISORY B/%LLOT BEFORE THE QUALIFIED ELECTORS OF IOWA CITY, IOWA AS A PUBLIC MEASURE TO BE VOTED UPON AT THE GENERAL CITY ELECTION OF NOVEMBER 7, 1995o Horow/ Moved by Pigott, seconded by Throg. Discussion. Baker/ A question on procedure. Why do we have two different items? Horow/ Because the last time you voted to reconsider the resolution and if it had fails-If it passes, it passes. If it fails, it is a negative vote and rather than sending a negative action to the County Auditor, we would then go to the next one, the rescention-rescinding it which would ten be positive. Okay? Baker/ I am sorry. Pigott/ It is pretty complex. Baker/ I will accept the explanation. Kubby/ Is there anything in the process in terms of reconsideration for someone who voted negatively the first time around? Woito/ No, you are not precluded from any- Kubby/ In either resolution? Woito/ Correct. Throg/ She just couldn't make the motion- Horow/ Okay. Any internal discussion here? Baker/ Just a point of clarification. Why would we want to reconsider a resolution that has-until we get a decision from the appropriate officials about the appropriateness of the resolution? Horow/ Because four of you voted to reconsider this last time. Baker/ Well, I realize that but I didn't understand the reasoning back then either and I thought I would bring it up again. The question is why would you want to reconsider even before you have a decision from the appropriate officials about the certification and non-certification appropriateness of the This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of September 20, 1995. F092095 #2 page 2 ballot is the question? Kubby/ Well, we have been told by the City or by the County Attorney that he does not believe this is- the original resolution is legal. We have been told by our City Attorney that he is the person that will make that determination. Baker/ I understand and you are actually right but we knew that before we took the original vote. That hasn't changed. I am wondering what factual difference are we operating on now that we didn't operate on before? Lehman/ Larry, as far as I am concerned, this is not a major issue. If this were something that were very directly related to Iowa City and Iowa City businesses then I guess I would be far more inclined to say let's keep going with it. The connecting thread between this straw poll and Iowa City is very thin at best. Baker/ This is-that is the second part of the discussion under actual rescindtion. Lehman/ I am just saying personally, as far as I am concerned, we have got sewer plants, we have got water plants, we got rezoning-a lot more important things for this council to do than hassle over something like this. Baker/ I don't disagree with that at all. I am trying to get a sense of what has changed since our original vote and the reconsideration that would have prompted the reconsideration that we didn't know before. Lehman/ I think most of us assumed that the County Auditor would immediately say hey, folks you can't do this. He hasn't said that and rather than wait for him to say that, I am willing to get rid of it. Horow/ I would like to however disagree respectively with you, Ernie. I feel that all of the items that you mentioned that are of greater importance fall under the urban issues and that this particular process is designed to sensitize people, both at the national level and the local level, about the problems of urban issues which in previous presidential elections has not had, I think, its do. So, for me this has been a very interesting process to take on to sensitize more citizens. so i do see a direct connection but that is only my- Thlsrepresentson]yareasonablyaccuratetranscrlptlonofthelowa CltycouncilmeetlngofSeptember20,1995, F092095 #2 page 3 Baker/ I also think that is a discussion relevant to the ~tem #3. Throg/ And we should discuss it. I would like to respond to that in a way but not right here. Horow/ Is there any other discussion? Throg/ Yeah, I would like to say something. I guess I want to kind of clarify my own thinking about why I voted the way I did three weeks ago and why I want to change that vote. If I remember correctly, the topic first came up five weeks ago during a work session and then-Or maybe it was during the Formal. Pigott/ Council time. Throg/ All right. And I remember thinking oh, that sounds like kind of an interesting idea. Yeah, let's look into it. I didn't understand then that that meant two weeks later there would be a resolution on our agenda and of course, I discovered that, when I saw the agenda roughly two weeks later. So, I have a pretty busy life. Pretty full agenda myself. I focused on what I thought was important. I didn't think the CityVote issue was terribly important. I came in that Tuesday night thinking what I want to do is focus on the constitutional question. I am a bit skeptical about the arguments with regard to CityVote itself but I am curious about the constitutional question. So, I voted for the resolution on the basis that ther~ might be a First Amendment issue that I wish to pursue. Upon reflection I think that I let myself decide too quickly without adequate information and in the interim, in the two or three weeks since then, I have been able to talk to a lot of people. Read quite a few e-mail messages from people, read Kenneth Agran's paper, think about it and it has given me time to conclude that in my judgement I made an error. So, that is the story as far as I am concerned. Horow/ Okay. Pigott/ And from my perspective, I share Sue your interest in terms of the ordinance and I was a supporter of CityVote. I still love the idea. I think it is a great idea in general terms. But once the process stated to move on and you know, I think that we decided-we started to hear from people about how the process of going through the wait to hear decision which is taking a long time and I heard from people that they wanted us to move along. And this is a good way to get that movement Thisrepresents only ereasonably accurate transcription ofthelowa City council meeting of September 20,1995. F092095 #2 page 4 going. I mean, we are reconsidering. We are going to stop instead of waiting for a decision we know is going to turn out one way. We are going ahead with this and I think that's appropriate. So, given the fact that I thought it was good, honorable, interesting idea in the first place, my decision rests on reconsideration of the fact that knowing that I didn't want to fight a court battle and knowing that the decision is going to come down that it was illegal and that we might have to fight one anyway, we might was well get along with business. Horow/ Anybody else? Roll call- Yes means that we want the resolution to stay. Woito/ If your vote on item #2 means that your first vote is wiped out, the slate is clean and you are voting on the resolution as it stands as if it were a new born babe today for you. Throg/ so, what does voting yes mean? Woito/ It means it stands and Tom has to-It stays with Tom. Shall we start over? Horow/ Okay, the resolution does not pass, Horow and Baker voting yes, majority voting no. Thisrepresents only arsssonably e¢curatetrsnscrlptlon ofthslown City council meeting of September20,1995. F092095 #3 page ITEM NO. 3 - CONSIDER A RESOLUTION RESCINDING RESOLUTION NO. 95-265 WHICH DIRECTED THE JOHNSON COUNTY AUDITOR TO PLACE THE QUESTION OF A PRESIDENTIAL ADVISORY BALLOT BEFORE THE QUALIFIED ELECTORS OF IOWA CITY, IOWA, AS A PUBLIC MEASURE ("CITYVOTE") TO BE VOTED ON NOVEMBER 7~ 1995, AS NO LONGER EXPRESSING THE WISHEB OF THE CITY COUNCIL. Horow/ Moved by Kubby, seconded by Lehman. Discussion. Throg/ Yeah, I think I want to say I agree with the CityVote organizers that the selection process does strongly tend to divert attention away from urban issues. In my judgement, our nation's urban issues do, really do, deserve much greater and wiser attention. But that does not mean that CityVote is timely or an appropriate idea for Iowa or for Iowa City. And there it is worth noting that the CityVote organizers, particularly if you read Agran's paper, conscientiously seek to reduce the influence of presidential selection contests in small, largely rural states like Iowa. And as Agran puts it in his paper, one of the principle purposes of CityVote is to provide a creative outlet for the frustrations of millions of urban dwellers, effectively shifting the focus of the presidential primary campaign away from Iowa and New Hampshire and toward America's urban centers. Now maybe that is a good thing but I don't know that it is good for Iowa or the caucuses that are held in Iowa. I also am concerned that it would distract attention away from issues that directly concern the people of Iowa City, first with it's population of 60,000, and with few severe environmental or class or based problems, our city scarcely constitutes the kind of city that CityVote envisions and is directed toward. It's really oriented toward a very different kind of city and city dweller than Iowa City. Secondly, CityVote would be likely to focus attention on the presidential candidates, on their personalities and their frequent efforts to disparage one another. It would be li~ely to divert attention away from our city council candidates. One of them's sitting in the audience right now. And the issues that they need to talk about. So I think we ought to let our citizens debate and discuss which candidate would make the best council member and why rather than which candidate might make the best president, so I think we should rescind. Baker/ Sue, there's a point to clarification here. I think there really are three issues tonight, one of which is the value, and I think Jim has reached a to begin with the value of the CityVote project itself, regardless of Iowa City's Thlsrepresentsonly areasonablyaccuratetranscrlption ofthelowa City councllmeetingofSeptember20,1995. F092095 #3 page 2 participation. Whether that idea has merit. And then whether or not Iowa City, there's a reason Iowa City should be part of that. And that can only come after you establish if you accept the idea that CityVote itself has value. If four people don't think that the overall national project has value, certainly we shouldn't participate in it. So if we clarify that first, then we can talk about whether or not the city, this city, ought to participate in it. Then the legal questions are actually the third issue because once you, if you really the majority believes that it is something nationally to do, locally to do, then you would confront the legal issue. So I'd like to get a sense of the council. I think Jim has established the idea that he is uncomfortable with the CityVote project itself, the national urban primary period. Throg/ I think that the CityVote might be a good idea in general. I do not think it's a good idea for the people of Iowa or the people of Iowa City more particularly and more importantly. Baker/ Okay. Horow/ I would have to respond that the cities in Iowa, now that's 30 over 10,000. That certainly isn't a big city by anybody's mind. But there's nine over 50,000. The cities in Iowa do have the same sources of funding from the federal level. They are threatened with being cut. They have fortunately many of the same problems in terms of those that are in our cities, and so I guess I see the metropolitan residence cities in Iowa having the same concerns only albeit on a smaller level then the residents of the major cities throughout the United States. I guess I am able to see a bigger picture of what Iowa represents, not just rural people. Throg/ Oh, boy. I guess I have to disagree in that I really don't think that Iowa City experiences the same kind of problem for the same kind of reasons as do Chicago, Los Angeles, the Twin Cities, Baltimore, Cincinnati, or any other much larger city. They're fundamentally different. Horow/ (Can't hear) Naomi all the time, having grown up in Chicago. But that doesn't cut any ice to me. I think it's all on a scale, relative. Nov/ Since you brought me into this. Throg/ Dragged her into it. Thlsrepresentsonlyareasonablyaccuratetranscr[ptlon oftheloweCIw council meeting of September20,1995. F092095 #3 page 3 Pigott/ Here comes the Chicago person. Nov/ Well, I really do believe that there are far more urban problems. Our problems are less urban even though we are a city. And I still think there is some value in CityVote. I think the cities that have chosen to participate choose to do so far earlier than we did. I think they've been at it for a year and a lot more public education involvement, a lot more planning time. And perhaps if we had put in that year of planning and public education, we might feel differently about it. Pigott/ I want to touch on it too. I agree with you, Sue, that many of the concerns that urban share in terms of federal funding we in Iowa City share. I share that with you and I agree that that's important, especially since the federal government seems to be leaning toward funding in transit, in Community Development Block Grants, in other areas, that will affect us. And because they will affect us, I'm concerned about them. That was my initial appeal on this issue. Then I hear from people much of what Naomi's saying. We haven't had a lot of time to talk about it. Because we haven't had a lot of time to talk about it, we haven't built a lot of base of public support for doing this. Horow/ Public understanding almost rather than support. Pigott/ Right. Maybe understanding as well. As a result, I've heard an incredibly negative reaction and I hear the public saying to us, no. We don't want you even touching. You're wasting your time on this or spending any money on this. And not just whether it's tens of thousands of dollars or twenty. It doesntt matter. They want us to get on with what we're doing. And yet, I share that same concern about those issues which we're going to be really tough ones (can't hear) and I like the idea of having presidential candidates address those ideas that we can hold them accountable, so that was a big appeal for me in this whole process. Baker/ Sue, I think it's obvious that our discussion tonight is not meant to sway each other. Horow/ Right. Baker/ We came in here with our minds made up. I assume that. But there is I think an obligation to make sure the public understands where we come from, but also to understand the Thisrepresents only areasonably accuratetranscrlptlon oftheloweCItycouncll meeting ofSeptember20,1995. F092095 #3 page 4 basic issues. I think one of the things that you've all sort of alluded to is that's what's been lost in here is that the whole purpose of Iowa City's straw poll vote is to participate with other cities across the country in a national project that began three years ago. Cities large and cities smaller than Iowa City. Cities in the range of 9-10 to 30,000 as well. Not just large urban areas. So that's why I raise a question about, let's clarify what the first issue is and from there to the first issue. I think there's a great deal of merit in the CityVote project nationally. We started late. That is the fault of nobody. But one of the misconceptions that the public may of had is that it sort of sprang full grown here at the council level and that it was an Iowa City straw poll vote. It was never intended to be that way. Kubby/ I don't where that comes from because I never heard anyone say it came from Larry. Baker/ No, but what I say is all the discussion editorially and in the news reporting and internet and everything else has been almost been based upon the idea that this is an Iowa city project. It's an Iowa City issue. It did not start that way, at least at this council level. It came through us. Let me talk to some of Jim's concern, because once you recognize that this was a national project, what you realize is that many of your concerns were the same concerns that every other city had to address and to accommodate themselves to. The only unique situation that Iowa City had was that we are in Iowa. You are absolutely correct. One of the purposes of the national project is to redirect attention of candidates in public, especially in urban areas, towards those issues that most directly affect their lives. There is a comparison and connection between Iowa City and other larger cities. Any time we talk abo~t losing money for transit or CDBG, we know all of that. So the unique situation in Iowa City is our status as a caucus state. I want to come back to that, but I want to address very quickly some of your other concerns. There are two of them that seem to coming back over and over again. This will distract from local issues, local candidates. I think the debate has distracted from local issues and local candidates but the process itself would not have done that if we had started earlier and brought the public along better, absolutely. But one of the questions that comes up is-I mean, it is almost an insult to the candidates to think that they could be lost in a discussion of other issues as well. One of my concerns is that if this is true, if the discussion of presidential issues at the same time we are having a local Thisrepresentsonlyareasonablyaccuratetranscription ofthelowaCitycouncilmeetlngofSeptember20,1995. F092095 #3 page 5 election undercuts the public discussion of local issues, then how is it that we can justify having a Board of Supervisors race in conjunction with Congressional races, state races, presidential races-all of which gets thrown in the mix and people still seem to wallow through that and understand the connection of local issues and the Board of Supervisors and even the state legislative races that are competing against Congressional races and so on and so forth. I don't think-I mean, it is understandable- Kubby/ I think part of the answer is those elections are happening all over the country at the same time CityVote is happening in a very limited number of cities and the candidates have-the presidential candidates with money can get to many of those cities and if there is a choice for the press to have a picture of Julianna Johnston on the front page or Bob Dole on the front page, I believe they are going to pick Bob Dole. Baker/ You are going to have the same problem with Jim Leach versus Charlie Duffy or Chuck Grassley versus Joe Bolkcom. There is always that conflict and it is compounded more with more races that you have. I just don't think that that is a compelling reason not to participate. Pigott/ But you would have to agree that it is more concentrated in this case because it is more likely that presidential candidates would come to Iowa City a lot more than other places and precisely why because it is a caucus state. Baker/ Absolutely. Pigott/ And of course that is going to draw more candidates at the same time. Of course the media angle is going to be covered that way. Baker/ You are totally underestimating Karen Kubby and yourself, Bruno. You really are. Pigott/ Well, maybe. Baker/ You are underestimating Anna Buss, you are underestimating any other candidates out there. Throg/ We are talking about media coverage here. We are not talking about skills and abilities of council people to speak well and articulate. Thisrepresents only areasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowaCltycouncil meettngofSeptember20,1995. F092095 #3 page 6 Baker/ We are also talking about those people, their efforts in getting out the vote, their efforts in educating the public. I think you are totally underestimating those people. Horow/ They are addressing the urban issues. That is what excites me about this particular concept. I think the timing of this is, for me, the frustrating thing because I just would like to see the context of urban issues more heavily gone into with our local candidates. Throg/ To tell you the truth, I would be astonished if presidential candidates or their spokespersons came to Iowa City and focused on urban issues that are of importance to Iowa City. I would be astonished. Baker/ Jim, one of the things we talked about earlier is the way you are assuming that the council is behind this and the public understood it. No, this is one of those things that local elected officials all over the country in these cities that are doing this are very conscientiously and consciously doing is forcing those issues in the debate. Throg/ Forcing them? How? Baker/ Yes. In the form of confrontation with the candidates themselves. In the form of working with their local media when those candidates come to town. The media has given a list of specific questions from local officials saying here, focus on this. Throg/ We are going to control the Press Citizen and what they ask? Baker/ You know, I think the press, once they understand the issues, they will ask the right questions. I have greater faith in them than probably I should have sometimes. But the issue about the caucuses is it is unique to Iowa City and I thought that was very interesting because you have worked in a caucus. Most of us probably have. It dawned on me one of the interesting things about the Iowa caucus system it is important not because we control conventions. we control perceptions. We start perceptions which is exactly what the urban vote wants to do. I understand it and I agree with them. The perceptions ought to be controlled on certain issues if possible. When you get right down to it the Iowa caucus is a straw poll. It is a momentary picture of sentiment at that time. It is not a binding vote in any way. It begins the process where- I remember it was 1988- I think George McGovern Thisrepresents only areasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowa Citycouncil meeting of Septembar 20,1995. F092095 #3 page 7 won Johnson County in 1968. Does anybody remember this? This was after he announced that he was no longer a candidate. It is a process at this point and then the bickering goes on down the line and I don't believe you have ever seen the delegates split at the end of the process that was the same as the percentages at the beginning. It is a straw poll to shape perception which is exactly what this other thing was. Horow/ Does anyone else have anything else they want to say? Kubby/ I have a couple of things. See I would frame the issues totally in a different way in that I would first ask the two questions° I-Do we want national discussion on the presidential level to talk and focus on urban issues? 2-How can we increase turnout for local elections and one of the options that we might brainstorm is to get involved in CityVote. So I would ask those bigger questions first and then see if CityVote as one of many ways to be involved in those issues because there might be some ways that we as a council want to, during the presidential debate here in Iowa City and during the caucus time, get involved in some of these focusing attention on these urban issues that we probably will all agree on. Baker/ Absolutely agree. Kubby/ I think-There are a couple of comments I want to make after framing the issue a little bit differently. One is that the people of this community have said that they want non-partisan city council races. When you have a partisan straw poll although you will have opened it up to more people because of independent and third party candidates which I am very glad CityVote does as someone who is very sensitive to those kinds of issues. That putting it with a non-partisan race I really think that you denigrate the integrity of that non-partisan race and Naomi brought that issue up at this level first and I thought that was pretty powerful. I hadn't really thought about that aspect of it. I am very glad to see this kind of renewed activism on the part of some members of council, do a lot of research to push staff to get information to bring something up and to fight for ito I am very glad to see this kind of activism from council. I think it will be helpful when we talk about housing, when we talk about development and environmental protection. So I hope it is something that isn't a short lived thing but carries over and transfers. Then I start thinking about all the legal stuff and as someone who has I don't know if the right word is committed or performed Thlsrepresents onlyareasonab]y accuratetranscrlptlon ofthelowa Citycouncil meetlngofSeptember20,1995. F092095 #3 page 8 civil disobedience that when I do that I take that very seriously and when I have done that I have gone through a personal process of saying I want to take a stand on a certain issue and I pick that issue very carefully. It has to be something that is important enough to me to be willing to take those risks. I have to understand the consequences and I have to be willing with my friends and family around me to live out those consequences. When you take on that responsibility for the whole community or not just me as an individual, my family, the whole community will feel those consequences. We have to be very careful that it is worth the struggle because I like that the city council has said we are open to the idea as a council of committing civil disobedience. Of doing something that is not legal. To test a law to make laws better. I am very proud that this council is open to that because I think some councils would just say absolutely not. But it has to be picked carefully. It has to be worth the struggle. The other thing I started thinking about this council race November 7 is going to pick a majority of the council. If CityVote were on the ballot and it was contested, if it was contested in a certain way, there is the possibility that those four people could not take their seat. There is a possibility that there has to be another city council election which takes a lot to time and energy, would not be fun from a personal standpoint or from a community standpoint I don't believe, and would be a waste of resources. And most importantly, the city couldn't go on its business on a bi- weekly basis. So I want to kind of get back to the beginning and to say I agree with the value of how can we increase as a city institution voter turnout and involvement in local elections. I think that is what we should be talking about. I think there are a couple of real easy things we could do as a city. We could do massive voter registration drives. People are transient in this community and need to change their addresses, moving from one place to another. New people are always coming into town. And we could provide information which I-This time, all the candidates are doing a very good job of providing information to people about our confusing hybrid local system for election, having at large and district candidates that during the general election everyone could vote for. So I think that is where we should focus our attention and I will gladly vote to rescind this so that we can go on with some of these I believe more productive ways of living out the talking about urban issues and increasing voter turnout for local elections. Horow/ Anyone else care to address? Thisrepresents onlyareasonablyaccuratetranscrlptlon ofthelowa City councllmeetlngofSeptember20.1995. F092095 #3 page 9 Baker/ ¥eah, I have got a couple of things. One, we really are into two different discussions now. The level public discussion here and the disagreements among ourselves and we are skirting around the private discussion that is going on outside of this council. I am interested in this whole discussion of the Iowa City city council race as a non-partisan race. I think anybody that has followed closely local politics realize that there are all sorts of efforts to make it a partisan race by various people in Iowa City. You know, had I brought my other file with all the internet messages back and forth and we could're gone through that. But let's not waste that time. It is supposedly a nonpartisan race. I voted three weeks ago or whenever it was when we first began with a clear conscious knowing that I did not believe then nor now that the nonpartisan status would be affected by the CityVote project. Now I've also got the, we're not going to do it tonight, but I can go through demographic, statistics, all sorts of stuff and show you how various combinations of voters voted in nonpartisan city elections with a partisan background. And you know what comes out of the research I've done on that? It's impossible to predict in CityVote based upon partisan identification how they will vote in a local election. Nov/ It's also true that there are very few straight ticket voters in Iowa City. Baker/ Absolutely. This is a community that voted for Chuck Grassley with a Democratic majority of 2-1 in registration it voted for Chuck Grassley. I don't quite know how to interpret that, but it points to one thing. It is not labels so much as candidate. And that is always the issue. In this particular race, those candidates that are good will not be affected. Those candidates that are weak would have been weak regardless of that kind of turnout. But that's a long discussion involving all sorts of numbers and I don't want to get into it tonight. The legal questions I think when we voted three weeks ago, we all knew that, one, we had no clear authority to do it. We expected a negative reaction from the appropriate officials. Understandable and they would be doing their jobs. But we also, at least I thought at that time, well get that settled and we can talk about alternatives in some sort of participation. I don't think that's going to happen. I think the issue's been clouded too much. I, like Jim, have other things and other issues that I want to get to work on. I think that we have suffered from starting too late and not bringing the public along with us, but I do not think we were wrong to start the process That'~ ,.,~,, I will not change my vote. Th~srepr~sent~~~~yar~as~nab~yaccuratetranscr~pt~~n~fthe~~wa~~tyc~unc~~m~~~ng~fSeptember2~~1995~ F092095 #3 page 10 Nov/ I would like us to- Horow/ Jim was next. Nov/ Oh, I'm sorry. Throg/ That's all right. Go ahead. Nov/ Go ahead. Throg/ Just another very brief comment about the difference between Iowa City and other cities because it strikes me personally as being quite important. Seems to me that the main problem facing our cities is not a reduction in federal funding for public transit or public housing and the like. I mean, that is important but that is not the main problem in my judgement. I think the man problem is the existence of vast pockets of poverty largely of consisting of minorities caused primarily by racism and economic disinvestment. I think that is the core problem and there aren't such large pockets of poverty and so on in Iowa City. We face fundamentally different kinds of problems here than those large cities do. So, I think the CityVote organizers, if in fact they really are trying to tap into all these different kinds of cities, small, large, suburban, urban, all of that. Baker/ It is not if, they are. Throg/ They are diffuse. They are too diffuse. Horow/ Naomi- Nov/ I would like us to continue this process based on changing the state law because I really believe the city should be allowed to put a straw poll or any other issue on the ballot if they feel that it is important to their city. So, I don't want us to just drop this. Horow/ I totally agree with you and I at no time did I ever think that Home Rule gave First Amendment right to change things. On the contrary, my position has been knowing Home Rule I feel that this is something that should be changed by the legislature. I feel very comfortable with that. I think there is definitely regulations and the way it would be worded as to control to avoid frivolous interference in an election process or straw polling process. But it definitely has, in my mind, something has to be changed. Thlsrepresentsonlyareosunably accuratetranscription ofthelowa Citycouncil meeting ofSeptember20,1995. F092095 #3 page 11 Baker/ Sue, I would like to ask the indulgence of the council for two minutes. Horow/ Two minutes, two and I am timing you. Baker/ I just want to read you a couple of paragraphs from a letter from Larry Agran sent to you last week and because I think it sort of encapsulate our debate. "From the beginning the whole purpose of CityVote has been to give municipalities a collective voice and collective power to shake the national debate on urban issues. Iowa City, as you know, is not immune from those problems common to cities across the country. You are receiving money from the recently adopted federal anti- crime legislation in order to hire new police officers. At the same time your transit system is facing cuts in federal aid, your subsidized housing and rehabilitation program are in jeopardy, your CDBG funding is at risk. As you know, the list goes on and on. As I go through (last paragraph) as I go through the list of objections voiced in Iowa City I am reminded of similar debates in some of the other cities participating in CityVote. Elected leaders, democrat, republican, and non-partisan work diligently with the public and local election officials to answer those objections and make CityVote a reality. Unfortunately, the biggest problem in Iowa City, I think, has been one of timing. You entered the process late and were unable to bring the public along step by step with your plans. The initial response in Iowa City was very positive. The public and press responded with (and I like this phrase) intuitive common sense." Throg/ Why did he write that phrase, Larry? Baker/ The initial response of not only the council but the community. Pigott/ Well, we don't know that but we do know at the end that the public said don't spend your time, don't spend- That is the bottom line. I think a majority- Horow/ Okay, a resolution is on the table. Kubby/ I guess I wanted to reiterate something that Jim started to talk about and that is our normal protocol has been when someone brings something up at a formal or an informal meeting and the majority says yes I am interested in this issue, we schedule it ~or an informal so that we can talk about it and it doesn't appear on our next agenda as a formal item. I don't Thisrepresents onlyareasonably accuratetranscription ofthelowa CltycouncilmeetingofSeptember20,1995. F092095 #3 page 12 really understand how that came about. But it is not our normal protocol and feel our normal protocol should be followed. It is one that has been working well for us to make sure that we have information in time to talk about it among ourselves at our work session before something is on our formal agenda. I am sure that must have been your call, Sue, but I would have been more comfortable with our normal protocol. I think it is a good one. Baker/ We had a deadline in September to meet anyway and the whole purpose was to get it on the agenda and give us some flexibility afterwards but I understand that and I agree with you. In the best of all possible worlds we should have started a year ago, bringing everybody along and getting this thing solidly setup. But at the time when you vote, again, I did not deceive the public, myself, or anybody else. I believe what we did was right, I voted for it and there is nothing that has transpired since then. Tonight I think we made a mistake. Horow/ All right. I would appreciate letting you know I voted for the resolution to begin with but the majority of council has spoken and I strongly support when a majority of council speaks that I lockstep with it and on this issue I will be voting for rescinding the resolution. Is there any other discussion? Roll call- The resolution is adopted with Baker voting no. Thlsrepresentsonlyarea$onably accuratetranscrlptlonofthelowa CitycouncllmeetingofSeptember20,1995. F092095