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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1998-08-24 TranscriptionAugust 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 1 Council: Lehman, Champion, Kubby, Norton, O'Donnell, Thornberry, Vanderhoef. Staff.' Atkins, Helling, Karr, Dilkes, Franklin, Davidson, Craig, Winklehake, Yucuis, O'Neil, Neumann, Doyle, Logsden, Fowler, Fosse, Scott, Schmadeke, Schoon. Tapes: 98-94, all; 98-95, all (Tape problems at beginning of meeting; See minutes for discussion. Review Zoning Matters 98-94 S1 a. Consider a motion setting a public hearing for September 9 on an ordinance changing the zoning designation of an approximate 4,000 square foot property located at 114 Wright Street from Community Commercial (CC-2) to Planned High Density Multiple-Family Residential (PRM). b. Public hearing on an ordinance changing the zoning designation of approximately 9.27 acres from Low Density Single-Family Residential (RS-5) to Sensitive Areas Overlay/Medium Density Residential (OSA-8) to allow a 72-unit residential development on property located on the south side of Taft Speedway west of Dubuque Street. (REZ98-0009) c. Consider an ordinance amending City Code Title 14, Chapter 6, entitled "Zoning," Article V, entitled "Minor Modification Procedures," to allow the height of free-standing signs to be increased under certain circumstances. (Second consideration) d. Consider an ordinance amending Title 14, Chapter 6, Zoning, Article K, Environmental Regulations, Section 1, Sensitive Areas Ordinance, to add a retention requirement for woodlands in Factory-Built Housing Residential (RFBH) zones. (Pass and adopt) e. Consider an ordinance changing the zoning designation of approximately 22.20 acres from Public (P) to Public/Intensive Commercial (P/CI-1) for property located at 1801 S. Riverside Drive. (REZ98-0005) (Pass and adopt) This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 2 Review Agenda Items 1. 98-94 S1 Kubby/Statement... acknowledging grant... housing rehabilitation. 2. Kubby/(Agenda Item #24- In response to Kubby, City Attorney Dilkes and City Clerk Karr clarified outdoor service areas, sidewalk cafes and ped mall vendors. 3. Norton/(Agenda Item #20- ... the grant for relocating the CRANDIC-Iowa Interstate Railroad interchange? Davidson/... there were not funds for improving arterial street railroad crossings. The benefit of the project was in decreasing traffic congestion on arterial streets...many people in the community wanted this project. 4. Norton/...project to replace the railroad crossing of Highway 6. Davidson/...my understanding that the state grant required the closing of the highway for a week in both directions... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 3 K-9 Unit 98-94 S1 [Tape Problems corrected] Winklehake/Building searches...for locating lost or missing people. And also... narcotics dog .... Types of activities that dogs can be trained for .... patrol and narcotics .... Searches as well as finding lost people .... Animal... make sure that it stays on a lease. As far as the training, there are several different locations all across the United States .... Recommended... cost .... Housing and food for the trainer... Five week bonding period with the handler and the dog and these are costs that we got... suppliers and people that have worked closely with Cedar Rapids Police Department and Marion Police Department as far as outfitting a squad car .... Taking one that we have in the fleet .... Kennel... drop window... cannel built at the handlers location... use the animal... take a look at the number of alarms that we have... best estimate that I can give you. Vanderhoef/R. J., approximately how much do we pay when we call for a handler and a dog to come in for a situation for us? Winklehake/It depends on where we get them from. We have 28E agreements with Johnson County...Marion...Linn County .... Most of the law enforcement agencies will supply us with an animal .... Vanderhoef/So in our 28E agreement, what do we give them for this service? Winklehake/We sign a 28E agreement and say if you need us sometime, we will come and help you. Vanderhoef/So it is a reciprocal service agreement with no dollars. Norton/But you pay overtime? Winklehake/ .... The people we send, we will pay our overtime... Vanderhoef/Do you envision us doing that same thing if we get a dog? Winklehake/As a general policy, law enforcement agencies in this particular area, if they are asked for their assistance, they will provide it for the other agency. Vanderhoef/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 4 Champion/Having your own dog, you would use it more frequently .... I think it is a tremendous asset .... Thornberry/ .... on a search, this dog would be on a lease. If they did a building search, would that also be true? Winklehake/... it would not be... We are researching a lot of general orders that have to do with dogs in building searches. The recommended way would be to announce at three times over a five minute period before you ever released that animal. O'Donnell/How many people are we going to have... to handle the dog? Winklehake/You train one dog with one handler ..... end up with vacation... when that dog is not going to be available to you. Vanderhoef/Your choice would be to have a dog that is dual trained, both for narcotics and for search? Winklehake/For patrol... including apprehension .... Lehman/Patrol... asset of a dog could be the presence of that animal walking around downtown... Could that be a PR tool for the Police Department? Winklehake/Of course it would be. Lehman/I would hope that it would be... a visible sort of thing .... Winklehake/Past experience that I had .... Public Safety Day .... Always the biggest request was for the canine ....Kids see the dog ....People are very interested in seeing that animal. Norton/The dog stays at the officers house? Winklehake/Generally yes .... You will have an agreement with the handler... work 7-7 ½ hour day .... Give you X amount of overtime in the course of a month... training... At this point we have not identified a handler ....Once we do that, then we would discuss that with them... reasonable solution .... Fits into our labor contract. Norton/ .... The implication that dog can be used... tricky... I would be interested in what the history of litigation in units that are using dog .... Limit the number of search situations in which the dog could be used ....Oakdale... When the dog is on a chase, you have got to be able to stop it .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 5 Thornberry/...in his memo he said it would be on a lease... if they are outside ....If they are outside, they would be on a lease. Winklehake/You would have to have them on a lease. Norton/...my point is that there are a lot of complications... Have you visited a training center to see how this works? .... Winklehake/I saw the training center in Chicago. Kubby/For me .... hesitation .... specific idea .... Because of a specific incident .... As we approach and finish the accreditation process .... Providing better police service .... List out all of those concerns .... A canine unit might be one of those many things. I guess I don't want to leap on the canine issue until I kind of see what are all of the needs of the police department .... Prevention of crime in our community .... More receptive to the canine unit... after reading the information... I want to wait until the accreditation process is a little further along .... Prioritize .... I would like to approach it in that way ..... Winklehake/The accreditation process will not identify whether or not you should have a canine ..... It will say if you do, then here is the criteria you have to follow. Kubby/Accreditation process ..... take care of the concems that we have ..... I feel like we are just grabbing onto this one issue .....Prioritizing ....And building them into the budget. Vanderhoef/...I had the same hesitation .... I have moved along in this process .... Talked to a few people that have had some experience with them .... I am convinced at this point that this is a positive thing for our police department. Kubby/That may be... But until I see what the list of possibilities are, I don't know .... Thornberry/I think we should start along this process as soon as possible ..... There have been many times when there have been building searches that this could have been utilized. Norton/How many times have you sought help from another agency and not have been able to get it? ..... I want to know what the litigation history is .... Heavy duty use of force .... It is a difficult thing... highly trained .... I am looking at waiting to see what our budget looks like... I would like to have some testimony from people who have been using them .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 6 Thornberry/ .... Police departments ....Positive ....Negative .... Norton/I have made a few phone calls .... O'Donnell/I talked to the highway patrol and they are convinced .... This is an extension for the police force .... Norton/It is a dog and a hammer .... Thornberry/ Lehman/I have personally felt... I think this is something we should have done a long long time ago ..... Is... cooperation with Coralville? Winklehake/I spoke with Chief Bedford in Coralville a couple of times... In the past... number of issues ..... Community event ...... Most of the time you are not going to find two communities sharing the resource such as this simply because one community is going to be responsible for the care and the feeding and the grooming of that animal. Lehman/Do you envision Coralville being willing to participate? Winklehake/We already have a 28E agreement ..... Kubby/...North Liberty does not have a police department... They use the sheriffs department .... Lehman/How long would it take if we decided to move forward with this? .... Winklehake/It would take us- We need to put out a notification to find out who would be interested in being a handler .... Process of going through our intemal interviews and then we would want to visit the location... and make sure they understand what kind of animal we want .... One that will be trained to be able to be recalled and try to get as much as a guarantee was you can in that kind of situation .... The whole thing .... Eight weeks. Kubby/I would even suggest that we put this in as part of the budget. Winklehake/...the training is a good five weeks .... Depends... animal that has the kind of temperament .... It is a possible that it could be a while .... Lehman/... Could we... expect to have an animal by the first of the year? .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 7 Winklehake/Providing we can get an animal and training scheduled for that .... Kubby/I prefer to wait until next FY and have it as part of the budget. Norton/I would, too. O'Donnell/I would rather move on it. Kubby/I didn't get to finish my sentence. O'Donnell/Let us see if they aren't four people interested. Lehman/Well, finish your sentence. Kubby/I did get to finish it before. Lehman/How many people would like to proceed? There is a majority who would like to proceed .... I have had conversations with three different groups within the community who are very interested in this. I would like permission from council to solicit funds from the public to fund the dog ..... community support .... I know there is some support out there .... write notes to service clubs and some organizations, soliciting their support for this project. Norton/There are so many things we could have asked for support .... Last year .... Lehman/...I have been approached by some folks. Thomberry/I don't see the harm. O'Donnell/I think it is a good idea. Lehman/Okay, thank you, R. J. Winklehake/Thank you. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 8 Transit Route Study 98-94 S1 Fowler/...basic questions we felt we needed answered before we could go ahead and finish up with the route study. You received some requests for transit service to West High... Two options for transit service to the community and the first option would be a blanket service .... Give transit service to the largest segment of the community possible and it is not really based on fidership demands ..... based on offering the opportunity to everybody in the community ..... to have transit service. Another option .... Demand driven .... Concentrate it in areas that have high density dwellings and large destination points. And to move to a service like that, you would begin pulling transit service out of residential communities... and concentrating it on high density areas .... Drawbacks to go to that type of the system... a segment of the community that no longer had accessible transportation. It is possible to develop a hybrid... and concentrate your resources in a high density area .... Increase operating budget... or start cutting back the service in the residential areas .... We do this in a couple of neighborhoods now... not good service to the residents when you start doing that .... A year ago we had a committee of transit management and transit drivers... looking at streamlining the transit system and trying to serve the larger segment .... Whatever we would proposed would end up back on your table... We thought... come talk to you before we do it and see what form of transportation you would like the community to have and then we will build the system around it. We do have to change. The routes have to be changed .... New requirements .... We know that .... Would you like us to continue with the blanket coverage and offer the service to the largest segment, the largest geographic area of the community or do you want to start concentrating on high density areas and drop service in some of the other areas ....Potential is there for increase in ridership in high demand area. Vanderhoef/How long has it been since we expanded outward to our outer boundaries? Kubby/We added Plaenview. Fowler/Plaenview was added .... '91. Vanderhoef/...so we have a lot of expanded areas that are not receiving any service fight now. Other question... Do you have any information on the new federal dollars available for transit for welfare to work? .... Fowler/No. Vanderhoef/I understand there are some .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 9 Norton/The last time we discussed this... council... interested in both the blanket coverage... not equally thick in all regions ....Maybe even more hybrid .... But thinning it to match our resources ....Think the frequency a little bit ....Outlying areas... Thin the blanket or not equally thick blanket .... Fowler/...We are going to end up in a situation like we have on 7th Ave .... Compromised position where we run 7th Ave. during peak but not during off- hours .... We dropped a lot of mid-day riders... ended up riding para-transit .... Norton/ Fowler/Many people moved into the community knowing that they moved into areas that currently didn't have service .... I guess we would like your okay in advance that what we bring back is going to fit what you want. Champion/How do we know that until we see it? Norton/ Fowler/...What we will have to do... a lot of neighborhoods .... May not end up with service .... Or people that have twice an hour service in the morning may get once an hour service. Thornberry/I do get concems from people... see the buses running with nobody on them .... Norton/Inevitable... part of spreading the blanket. Champion/You got to put sidewalks where people walk and put buses where people ride them .... I think West High, not having a bus go out there, I think that is terrible .... A long walk from anywhere. Vanderhoef/Large businesses that have a lot of workers and potential riders .... Equally a problem .... More interested in looking a bit more towards where the riders area and where the need is being shown rather than going with the super blanket that we had had in the past. Kubby/For me... minimum, thing... blanket service at peak time .... On Court Hill route... it is used extensively at peak time .... Norton/I can buy that, blanket coverage at peak times.. Kubby/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 10 Lehman/How can we be everywhere at peak times? Kubby/ Lehman/If we had them all there during peak times, aren't they still all there during the slack time? Kubby/ ....use the bus more if it was every half hour. Vanderhoef/I would look at new innovative kinds of things... smaller buses or quick shorter routes .... That could be used at peak times .... Norton/Isn't it largely personnel? Vanderhoef/ Norton/ Fowler/We have a lot of drivers who do work a split shift ..... Vanderhoef/I would also like to talk with the school district and see what they could come up to assist us with these loop routes for the schools. Fowler/West High. There are currently two busses that go through the west side of town that go by West High .... Backside .... O'Donnell/ Fowler/The area that is not served for West High right now would be the Hunters Run, Southwest Estates, Walnut Ridge, Galway Hills .... They don't have a bus .... Our problem is we no longer have a bus that goes in front of West High .... Trail that is in will be a very long, undesirable walk in the winter. O'Donnell/Why don't we have a bus going to the front of West High? Fowler/All of our routes end at Westside Drive. O'Donnell/We think we have an obligation to get kids to high school. Lehman/School system .... Champion/I think the state law- This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 11 (All talking) Champion/I don't think they are going to use education dollars to do that. Lehman/If we were to use the blanket policy that Mr. Norton... Could we have a policy that provides a thick blanket during peak times and a thinner blanket during non- peak times without increasing our total budget? Kubby/A thick blanket during peak times and a varied blanket during the day. Lehman/So we could maximize the number of riders during peak hours .... while not cutting off service totally to areas that we presently serve. Fowler/We could combine some routes midday .... People would have a further walk from where the bus would be .... Kubby/A lot of the drivers really know their routes well... project what the paratransit increase would be ..... Norton/... sales tax consideration... this is one of the clear needs... with our resources are restrained .... Kubby/I don't think we can give them direction based on thinking the sales tax is going to pass. Norton/That is one of the issues .... Accommodate out community properly... with resources that are sharply limited ..... Vanderhoef/I would like to put on the agenda for the joint meeting because I would like to also see what that Westside loop could look like if we were doing something in conjunction with Coralville ..... Norton/We have street layouts that do not permit a loop .... Some places where our streets are incompatible with the transit system. Vanderhoef/ Lehman/Joe, have we given you any indication of where we think we would like to be? Fowler/I think you have... a very good indication. What I think you have told us is that you would like to see the city continue to have blanket coverage during both morning and afternoon peak and then in areas where there is potential high This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 12 demand for increased ridership, to divert some of our resources to those areas so that we increase service in some areas but we maintain service throughout the entire city, maybe not at the current level that it is today. Lehman/That is exactly- You got it word for word. Kubby/And that we talk to Coralville about working on the Westside loop with us and then some of Dee's ideas about using paratransit vehicles maybe at night to do some on demand service for certain routes. Fowler/That has been part of the delay in the route study .... Some of those resources be diverted to daytime. Lehman/Thank you, Joe. [Council Break] This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 13 Landfill Issues 98-94 S1 Atkins/Landfill issues. I want to give you sort of a quick briefing on a number of issues. The council had asked that we bring back to you the issue of the height of the landfill, that 870 and 810 .... We have on your agenda for tomorrow evening a Landfill Policy statement... You have a land purchase .... I also prepared a memo to you an land fill rates .... We feel comfortable with those numbers. It is a two year commitment ..... I would like your impressions... upcoming budget... around these rates... residential rates are also going to go down. The timing of the thing... We arbitrarily picked January 1... Enjoy the ability that we have to reduce those rates. One final item.. recommending to you in upcoming CIP. We had originally planned to have the Household Hazardous waste considered for the new Public Works site south go the Airport. We are going to change that recommendation and have it at the landfill .... That our current staff can then run the thing .... 57 hours a week... provide a very good service. Lehman/...you have come up with a reduced rate... I believe that if we offer a reduced rates to haulers, it is not unreasonable for us to ask haulers to contract with us... two year deal... To get that rate, we should require haulers agree to haul all of their refuse to our landfill. And if they don't, they do not get the lower rate .... Norton/Can we do that? Lehman/You can check with Eleanor .... Atkins/I think we can contract with them... We have charged variable rates before .... Dilkes/What did you say? Lehman/Could we contract with our haulers, offering them a reduced rate if they agree to haul all of their refuse from Johnson County locations... haul it all to our land fill, we will give them the lower rate. If they don't agree to do that they then pay the higher rate. Two year period of time. Dilkes/It raises some issues for me. I think we have to take a look at it. Kubby/...contract with municipalities... that we know we can do. Atkins/We can do that. Kubby/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 14 Atkins/ Neumann/In a contract with a community, it would only be for what they control and that is residential. Lehman/They can require their haulers to come to our landfill. Neumann/If they take over collection. They would have to take it over city wide and contract that out .... Take over the business waste stream. Atkins/Ernie, I hear you saying that you want us to do what we can to direct these haulers in some form of a commitment. We will have to research the thing. Norton/Any leverage on private commercial establishment .... Atkins/A municipality can provide refuge collection services without having them do it with their own employees ..... They control it through contracts .... Lehman/Let's look into it, that is all. Thornberry/What is the reasoning behind lowering the rates? Atkins/Several reasons... we now have an accurate project over the life of the landfill .... Accumulating cash... short term .... Anticipating... We were creating cash more rapidly than we needed it. Now that we have the Master Plan .... 33 life... We know what the capital projects are going to be... good estimates on the tonnage .... Factor all of those things together... We can take some of these costs and spread them over a much longer period of time .... Our projections.. We should be in the position by year 2010 to have our full commitment for closure, post-closure cash in the bank ..... Which means... take those costs and spread them over a longer period of time, you don't have to charge on this end .... Lehman/That is based on the life of the landfill as projected. Atkins/We project the life of the landfill to be 33 years .... Height issue .... 45 years .... Now we know, the thing is going to last a much longer period of time than we anticipated. Thomberry/ Atkins/It will fill up ....Economic decisions ....Accumulate cash .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 15 Thornberry/I spent two hours this afternoon at Nick Yutzy's house. He has concerns .... The city is lowering their rates just after he has made the investment that we know about of taking the garbage out of state. Atkins/First of all, I don't know what kind of investment he has made. He didn't share that with us .... I do not know if he put one nickel into the thing .... CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 98-94 SIDE 2 Thornberry/ .... we know that there is garbage leaving town... We know the reason that it is leaving town is because they are dumping for a lower rate. Atkins/That is one of the reasons. Thornberry/So we are now lowering ours- Atkins/We are lowering ours because you put a Master Plan in place that allows us to make far better long term management decisions and the Illinois land fill guy may be only $20 a ton but he is also not providing any of the services that we provide. We have a whole array of services that we provide out of those landfill fees. It is more than just a economic decision .... Thornberry/But listen to me and try to understand, Steve .... It looks like we are trying to be competitive with the private sector and can do things to affect the private sector in a negative way by adjusting our prices .... To get a long term contract .... I believe .... Something like $40,000 that he dumped in the Iowa City Land fill .... Atkins/We provide a service, they don't .... Thornberry/They can take anything but nuclear waste to Illinois .... Norton/Seemed to me we were looking at those rates .... He says that we do have some additional services .... We were asking him to look for some way to come down to a little bit closer to where the market is .... Thornberry/... I would like them to either come down a lot more .... Or leave them the way they are .... We can bring them down lower. Kubby/How can we bring them down lower? .... Formula .... Operation, maintenance... service .... policies... Thornberry/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 16 Atkins/This is the level of risk I believe you should take ....I could squeeze a little more... I would recommend against it... Champion/...I feel strongly that we run a very clean landfill... services .... Norton/What is the virtue, Dean, of staying where we were? .... That is not competitive at all. Kubby/ Thornberry/I am saying one of the other .... Current rate .... Norton/It would fill up slower. Thornberry/We could go for volume... and really getting all of the volume .... Lehman/ Thomberry/I don't think we should penalize them just because they take some of it and not all of it .... If we kept the rates the same, we could lower the rates- Norton/This is kind of a nice number .... Lehman/...I don't have a problem... we have accumulated cash... We now can project 33 years ....A period certain ....We know how much we can put into that landfill ....Certain things that are known... A master plan ....This is the rate that will take care of it... Two year rate .... Talking about a 33 year landfill based on today' s collection rate .... That landfill may last 100 years .... May be 80 .... If we just get the cardboard out of the waste stream... Thornberry/We also are going to have an increase in population. Kubby/ Norton/ ....we could lower those rates further .... Lehman/ Thornberry/You want a contract with the private haulers... pay a premium .... Lehman/ .... We will provide you this land fill... advantageous price .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 17 Thornberry/I think we should have a one rate thing and I don't think it is fair .... Pay the higher rate. I just think it ought to be a one rate structure. Norton/...paragraph 11, need to demonstrate a commitment. I don't know what that meant. Atkins/...I think you need to get to each of those communities in some fashion. They need to demonstrate... they are committed to the use of the Iowa City Landfill .... If we are going to continue to provide this service, we have to do this in an efficient manner .... Some reasonable waste stream... certain agreements .... I don't know what the form of that commitment is .... Thornberry/Do these figures and that length of time reflect the 870 feet? Atkins/We will discuss that in a moment. Kubby/...lowering rates is based on 33 years .... Atkins/There could be a dramatic change in state or federal regulations .... 2-We use reasonable inflation terms .... Cost of labor... leachate monitoring system... direct costs to the landfill... Norton/ Atkins/We are doing the sketches now .... Lehman/Are you asking us tonight, are we blessing your proposal? Atkins/I would like to know if you like those rates. We need to put the word out to business so that they can begin to their advantage, using that number to negotiate with .... Hauler .... Let the businesses take advantage of it. Champion/I would... Kubby/Yes. Let's go. Vanderhoeff Let's go. Lehman/All right. Height of the hill? Atkins/ Norton/I don't want 870 .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 18 Atkins/Do you have the photographs... ? Kubby/ ....We want you to think about...870... There is no other point in west Iowa City that repeats 870. 830 is repeated .... Norton/ Lehman/This is not a decision that needs to be made? Atkins/Option 3 had a Phase 4 .... Allow it to go to 870. We are going to apply for licensing to go to 870 ....Policy position ....Approval to be able to do it .... Kubby/Regulate ourselves to 830. Atkins/Apply for 870 just simply to protect our interests. Lehman/...cemetery .... Time being we are only going to do the first portion of that .... If we have authorization to go to the 870, doesn't mean we will ever go to the 870 .... An option. Kubby/We should not have that option. We are changing the topography. Vanderhoef/A future council can change that option anyway .... If we are going to go to the DNR, let's go with what we think is the absolute maximum and future councils will decide .... Kubby/ (All talking) Atkins/As of right now... permitted to go to 830. Step back one minute. The adoption of that Master Plan... major consequence .... You know what the folks to the north are going through and we have settled in on a decision for at least 33 years .... Lehman/...comes to acquiring ground... certain impacts the value of surrounding property. As we reach the 830 level, if we have not acquired the property around that landfill, those property owners know it is only a matter of a short time. Atkins/You still have its value as a land fill .... Norton/So you are going to go to ski jumps, okay .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session (All talking) Vanderhoef/I do appreciate the picture .... Norton/Everybody should look at the quarry... begins to loom. Thornberry/I don't think we ought to go to 870 at this point .... Norton/ Thornberry/If you go to 870, what is the value of the property going to be?...decrease. Lelmqan/A future council will make that decision. (All talking). Kubby/Make it be a conscious decision on their part .... Norton/ Atkins/ Kubby/We have four for 830. Atkins/All fight... understand the process. We will apply for licensing authority under our Master Plan for 830 .... That is what you want us to do? Norton/Yep. Atkins/Okay. Higher later, we bring it back to you. Kubby/I had another rate question. The decrease in rates, does that include the potential cost of the 80 acres? Atkins/That 80 acres purchase that you are planning tonight was figured into that calculation or 40 acres. Thornberry/I don't think I represented my constituent very well. (All talking). Page 19 This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 20 Library/Downtown Community Center/Sales Tax 98-94 S2 Lehman/We are now to the sales tax/ballot issue. Atkins/We have two more issues this evening, one is the sales tax and then the update on the library project. It would seem to me that a discussion of the ballot proposition and policy statement appear to be the most important issues... Made assumption... meeting on the 16th with Coralville and Johnson County. It might be an opportunity to at least give them a clue what your plans are. What I have prepared for you is what I thought was the last position statement on the part of the council with respect to the ballot proposition, keeping in mind the ballot proposition is much more succinct. I have prepared a policy statement which is an elaboration of that for you to use .... Norton/Certainly some discussion at the end... about whether 5K is enough in that last category .... Some consensus that that might be 10. Champion/I think we begged for the 5. Norton/ Atkins/I put the 5 .... I was almost positive it was 5 but I did give you two interpretations in that policy statement .... Kubby/In terms of those two options, I would like a hybrid of those...relieving some of the General Fund but also putting additional money .... Our community is really starting to focus on services for newborns to three and newborns to five... collaboration amongst agencies... There may be new needs .... A lot of needs out there for newboms to five year olds .... I am talking about whether we totally relieve CDBG and the General Fund or whether we put all the money into additional human service funding and I think we should do some of both. Champion/I agree. Lehman/If we basically did Option 1... wouldn't that always leave us the option of putting that money back into human services? .... Champion/Part of this sales tax... to give us something that we don't already have .... Like to see an increase in the money we are putting into human services .... Another 2.5 would increase the amount of money we are putting into human services .... Vanderhoef/I had a little different spin on it .... Positive in Option 1 was to pledge that amount.. to relieve the General Fund... need to a large lump sum every now and This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 21 then .... Space needs .... Money to buy a building... I would rather leave that money in the General Fund and then when they come .... Big need... not every year... We might be able to say okay, we have got $100,000 .... Collaborate .... Kubby/CDBG money for that .... Vanderhoef/Some other things... need for getting people into the work place .... Get these agencies collaborating in a single space .... Cedar Rapids... campus... professional building... Kirkwood... took top floor...several agencies using that space up there .... I would like to say let's keep this in our General Fund... poised, ready to go... big project .... Lehman/ .... We would guarantee in increase in funding of half of the 5% which would be $125,000... increase in what we currently provide and the other $125,000 could be used there or it could be used as a relief to the General Fund ..... Kubby/I prefer to guarantee that we first relieve CDBG .... Every year we have more and more need ....Goes not as far ....Then the balance used to relieve the General Fund. Champion/ Lehman/ Vanderhoef/ Lehman/5% in $250,000. Kubby/$100,000 from CDBG and $150- from the General Fund. Norton/How is it going to be articulated in the ballot? Lehman/I think it should be in a policy position .... Kubby/Just say 5% funding of current and additional funding... figure out the wording .... Lehman/ Atkins/What is your goal, again? Vanderhoef/I want all 5% out of sales tax. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 22 Champion/I want 2.5 increased spending and 2.5 to relieve. Vanderhoef/...all we are doing is sales tax .... Norton/Trying to make sure there is some increase .... Vanderhoef/ Champion/ Lehman/If the level of funding last year was $500,000 total and this passes, we would be saying that we will spend a minimum of $625,000 this year for social programs. The other $125,000 being available for programs and for to be used to relieve the General Fund. Norton/ Vanderhoef/I still don't understand .... All that conversation into a ballot proposition. Kubby/Some of that is additional funding... It guarantees new dollars .... Norton/In response to progressivity .... Atkins/ Lehman/Do we have any kind of agreement? Do we want to make this kind of hybrid from a policy standpoint7 Kubby/I do. Champion/I agree. Norton/(Can't hear). Atkins/I have to figure out language of the ballot that says $125- new. Lehman/I don't know if it has to be the language of the ballot but the policy has to say- We have to indicate that there will be a real increase in funding of up to- No, a minimum of half of the 5% and the other half can be used at the discretion of the council. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 23 Atkins/The policy has to be very clear. I suspect on the ballot proposition that language is satisfactory to do what you want it to do. You need to settle on the policy position. Vanderhoef/ Champion/It doesn't have anything to do with the budget. Vanderhoef/ Atkins/ Lehman/After the tax passes .... Kubby/I don't think that language really says the value statement that we are talking about. It does not say-It does not guarantee the funds... Lehman/ Atkins/One of the things- An idea we are banging around, you don't have to answer this tonight, was that the issue ofregressivity ..... It is an issue. We discussed the possibility...research... providing for low income citizens a rebate and that they would have to demonstrate income criteria .... And that if they can file certain documentation .... That we would rebate a portion .... Of what they would pay in the additional local option tax. Champion/Great idea. Atkins/Families would have to file with us... state income tax statement .... We would have to put it on the ballot proposition .... 500 cities in Iowa that have a sales tax, nobody else does anything like this. Breaking some new ground. Champion/ Atkins/ Kubby/Our low income policy .... Atkins/ Norton/If we could manage that... fine thing. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 24 Thornberry/Anything that we do, that we give away to our citizens of Iowa City .... Have some sort of time limitation or time spent in Iowa City to know whether they are Iowa City people or not .... Qualify them, have a residency. Atkins/What we did... that issue came up... State income tax form... mailing address .... We thought was the instrument .... They would have to provide us with documentation .... Thornberry/Have like a two year residency requirement .... Atkins/Argue .... Thomberry/ Norton/ Atkins/This is just us ....Trying to deal with the issues. Lehman/Are there four people who would like to look into this to see whether or not it is feasible from a paper standpoint? Okay Steve, go. Kubby/I don't think we should do the residency thing. Atkins/I don't think we could enforce it anyway. I understand the point .... Lehman/Steve, on for 10% for hiring equipment and additional officers, fire fighters and construction of public safety facilities- One of my concerns about revenue from the sales tax is that we be very careful that we are accurate to the public in how we are going to spend that money .... Public safety ....I don't feel we should be tying hands of councils too tightly ....It may be more than we need every year .... I could see us do a lot of things that are relevant to public safety... stop lights... turn lanes... There are things that relate to public safety that should be able to come out of this .... Kubby/If we did community policing... all over town .... The way we envision .... That could take that amount of money every year. Lehman/I would really like to make it flexible enough. Champion/ Vanderhoef/Public safety possibilities .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Norton/Be careful not to bind yourself.... Lehman/Can't give too much latitude .... Norton/ Thornberry/I think it needs to be spelled out rather carefully so the public knows exactly what they have- Atkins/ Lehman/Do we agree that we would like it to be flexible enough? Champion/Sure. Atkins/Help me out now. This says 10% for hiring and equipping additional police officers and fire fighters. That is pretty straight forward. And the construction of public safety facilities. What you are saying is stretching that public safety definition in some fashion. So it is hiring and equipping police officers, fire fighters, construction of public safety facilities, and- What are we saying? (All talking). Craig/Capital projects for public safety purposes .... Norton/Capital projects for public safety purposes... Kubby/If we do one other fire station ....Fire fighters plus community policing .... $1/2 million .... Atkins/Ernie ....Look in the 40% .... That is a little bit of the grab bag .... Lehman/I look at the possibility over the years of this sales tax growing in size .... Producing revenues .... Atkins/Any council .... can go back to the public ....Can be re-done ..... Lehman/They would have to go back to the public. Vanderhoef/I like the broader definition .... Has that flexibility. Page 25 Atkins/Ernie, did I hear a majority? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 26 Thornberry/ Kubby/#3 on the sales tax policy ....Second sentence .... Capital projects for public safety purposes .... Lehman/Public transit... would also do the same thing. Atkins/Have we settled in? Norton/3rd from the last line in paragraph #3 .... And other capital projects directly related to the provision of public safety and leave out public safety/fire/police. Just leave directly related to public safety. Thomberry/ Norton/Redundant. Atkins/I think that makes some sense. Thornberry/Public safety, period. Atkins/Okay. Vanderhoef/I just have one on transportation, #5, very last line... I would like to just say additional parking projects .... Norton/Period, right. Kubby/ Lehman/We could also eliminate the entire sentence. Norton/That is even better. Atkins/ Kubby/It is a good policy position that the parking fund... should subsidize mass transit. Champion/It does. Kubby/But if this sales tax passes, it would not do that anymore. Lehman/It could do lots of things .... Could .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 27 Norton/Karen is saying why commit ourselves to reducing that subsidy. Kubby/ Vanderhoef/If the 10% is sufficient to reduce that .... Kubby/ Atkins/Option #3 is out, is that what I hear? Kubby/I don't think it should be. Lehman/I think it is out. Vanderhoef/It is out. Lehman/Option #2, under 5. Atkins/Do I count enough people to say it is out? Kubby/We have just given direction to change the route .... At least we could do is reduce the fares. Norton/How should we change the wording in paragraph #5? Champion/I would like to leave that option... reduce the fares ..... Lehman/Earlier tonight we talked about bus service... increasing service to potentially heavy use areas .....not going to do that by reducing the fares by 30% .....good service ..... Norton/Let' s get down the wording. Why not say the parking fund could be reduced .... Rather than will ....Change will to could in 3rd line from the bottom in paragraph #5. (All talking). Atkins/'Could' instead of 'will'. Norton/This would increase... could increase .... Kubby/Just take that out. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 28 Norton/Yeah, fight... delete the last sentence. Kubby/ (All talking). Lehman/ .... Let' s do 25% for direct water rate relief. Does anybody want to change that? Champion/What happens to the money when it is gone? Thornberry/Keep the water rates from increasing. Champion/When our... water plant is paid for .... (All talking). Atkins/I assume there is the potential when everything is paid off.... Rates would go way down. It could happen .... About 30 years out .... Champion/Can we add something to that... talk about water rates for 30 years .... ? Lehman/Come back to the voters. O'Donnell/I thought it was for a ten year period. Atkins/Eight years. Lehman/Stabilize the rates for eight years .....apply that to the water rates until such time the voters change that formula .... O'Donnell/I just want to make it clear it is going to freeze the water rates for eight years. Lehman/We don't freeze ..... Let's go after the 40%. Norton/Everything that is in there is going to take 40. Kubby/We are talking about for the first 20 years paying off the library and cultural center. Champion/And that has a new name now, doesn't it? Vanderhoef/I would like to talk about that. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 29 Kubby/Is that correct, Steve, the way it is written now? First 20 years it would pay back bonds for that joint facility? Atkins/Yes, at least 20 years. Lehman/If we see a reasonable increase from that sales tax... pay it off shorter. Atkins/Once you settle in on this... Don and I will go back and we will take that $22.5 million and we will run it out to 30 years... inflation projections .... better idea of what might be available to you when .... You are pretty well locking it up for next 20-25 years ..... Lehman/Is there anything we want to change in that first one? Atkins/We do need to settle in on the project title ..... CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 98-95 SIDE 1 Atkins/Community Center is not a good description. Lehman/Expanded library cultural center .... Norton/We had a proposal from Jessie .... Cultural Center .... Vanderhoef/I like Cultural Center .... or Center for the Arts. Lehman/Library Cultural Center .... Kubby/Center for Arts and Community Events. Vanderhoef/ O'Donnell/Community Center is more inclusive .... Kubby/Connotation .... basketball court .... Vanderhoef/What I wanted to add into this .... Community events .... Great idea .... Dollars into community events .... This is a good way of creating some dollars for those community events... they have an 'and' in there ..... We have community events all of the time .... I would like to add community events to this .... Champion/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 30 Lehman/ Vanderhoef/ ....they are talking about community center .... Kubby/Adding categories now, I feel real uncomfortable with that .... Vanderhoef/...time period out there... supporting cultural center... There will be a time when it should start supporting itself. So if those dollars we available to use for more community events .... That is another way ....We could relieve our General Fund .... Champion/We could always use... library staffing. Vanderhoef/Positive thing... continue to support these community events. Atkins/...Could you say construction of a Center for the Arts; community events; construction of streets, public thoroughfares .... Drop the word an ..... Only thing... This 40% is substantially capital and not operating. Vanderhoef/I am talking about that down on the 10% .... Community events .... Change the name of the community center. Atkins/How about operating expenses for the library; center for the arts; and community events? Lehman/That is fine. Vanderhoef/That is what I would like. Kubby/First years we are subsidizing the cultural center more .... We are going to have community events people coming in wanting money from this pot .... Problem for the first ten years. Vanderhoef/Then it comes out of the General Fund .... Kubby/ Lehman/... first priority if the funding of the additional library staff and cultural center .... Kubby/I think we are going to be relieving the General Fund so much .... Keep this as simple as possible ..... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 31 (All talking). Kubby/ ....need to keep it as clean as we can .... Lehman/It is worded pretty good here .... Vanderhoef/I want to just put the semi-colon in there .... Atkins/It is going to be the Center for the Arts? Lehman/No. Atkins/It has got to have a name hung on it. Lehman/Library Cultural Center. Norton/Library and Cultural Center .... Atkins/ Champion/Can we keep that blank for awhile? .... Atkins/...I need to re-write this for you anyway. Vanderhoef/ ....We got it, Cultural Center. Norton/No, no, no. Lehman/All right, next. Kubby/Folks who are going to be the main players .... Should have some say in what it is called. Norton/Yes, right, precisely. Kubby/ Atkins/Let me write it up, prepare a policy statement, ship it out to the folks, let you mark it up, calling it the Cultural Center and you may come up with another name. Lehman/Can we get a response from the Library Board? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 32 Atkins/ Norton/ Gelman/ ....Cultural Center ....On ballot ....I think we need to be a little bit more community oriented in its description on the ballot .... Group as favored ... art or culture... more descriptive .... One of the names... Center for Community Culture and Events .... Mouth full. Vanderhoef/We have other community centers. Gelman/This is a major... focus is slightly different. Kubby/How about Community Center for the Arts? (All talking). O'Donnell/What is wrong with just a Library Community Center. Vanderhoef/Cultural Center. Champion/For the Arts .... Vanderhoef/We have got too many community centers. Gelman/ Vanderhoef/ Norton/Library and Community Cultural Center. Lehman/There you go. Norton/ (All talking). Vanderhoef/Cultural is broader based .... Norton/Community Cultural Center .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 33 Lehman/Community Cultural Center, how many like that? Library and Community Cultural Center. We got two people .... Champion/ Kubby/I think we should spend some more time. Vanderhoef/Write it up as Cultural Center and then we will- Gelman/I think it is something we ought to be thoughtful about .... It has got to be something that will help the ballot issue ....Ought to be the priority... needs to be honest... has to include community. Kubby/Get a menu... Gelman/We would be happy to give you some options .... Lehman/All right, do it. (All talking). Lehman/Steve, I think we got this. Atkins/You understand that policy statement is yours. Make sure so there is no misunderstanding. Kubby/I would like to see a new draft before- Atkins/But it is your statement. Lehman/Okay, let's go flying onto the Airport. Kubby/Well, aren't there other issues about timing and resolution that we need to... Norton/How do we talk with the other people on the 16th? Atkins/Hopefully I will get a draft for you in a couple of days .... Circulate that. We picked an arbitrary date of March 9 .... For the election .... Listen .... Importance of this date, we need to back you up to when you have to make the decision to put something on the ballot. And that date is- Karr/Not that easy... March 9 .... Final Tuesday before Spring Break, nothing magic. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 34 Vanderhoef/March 9 is fight in there with National League of Cities .... Atkins/ Karr/When you request it by motion, according to state law, you have 120 days maximum notice and 105 minimum notice .... Within that window you have got to request it. That means it can be no earlier to the Auditor's .... than November 9 or later than November 24 .... Other areas affected have ....67 days ....Tough because of the holiday ....Do it sooner than later .... Kubby/...what would it do to us to have it be March 2 since many people might want to go to National League of Cities? Karr/...just move everything back just basically seven days ..... So it becomes November 2 versus November 9. (All talking). Champion/Earlier you get the worst the weather is. Lehman/Do we have to decide that tonight?... think first part of March would be good ..... Atkins/I will prepare a new ballot proposition for you, prepare a new policy statement and get that out to you. Lehman/We got a go. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 35 Airport/South Central Area Projects 98-95 S1 Lehman/...airport. Atkins/I have prepared for you a little summary memo. When we were discussing among ourselves the airport projects... the South Central District has been deferred by P/Z at least temporarily for some other things they want to get done... Clearly this plan and the implications of the airport and surrounding development, we're going to spend a lot of money in this area... make sure we're all on board on that... make sure we have general agreement on where we're going on these. One is the South Central District Plan is a land use plan for the area in and around the airport. Lots of public facilities, lots of development issues, opportunities, those things are all pending. You have to wait for P/Z. The Airport Master Plan... has received your support, support of the Airport Commission. We will begin taking that plan... and its elements and incorporate them into the upcoming Capital Improvement Plan .... Eleanor's planning an update on land acquisition and a couple of other things... The North Airport Commercial Development. That' s the official name we hung on that area up to the northern part of the runway. We have a contract pending for you tomorrow night... first step in initiating the development process. The contract will provide for streets, utilities, engineering, design... Karin .... has spoken with school officials about the road location. The north route is preferred. There is a southerly route. We believe... incorporated into the contract, they will give us both options .... We are awaiting the Iowa Jet Service decision... We believe we have sufficient guidelines from that committee with respect to the need to develop an agreement on this parcel of ground between the City Council and the Airport Commission. Unless we hear otherwise from you, the task for Ron and I and the other staff members to... prepare a draft agreement so that those parties understand the commitments you're going to have on that Noah Commercial area... Norton/There was some concern about timing... Who's waiting on whom on... the location of that road? That's in the contract isn't it? Atkins/Yes. We're moving on that right now. Norton/...will take awhile before that's decided... Atkins/The engineering work will have a substantial beating on where that road' s going to be located ....to my knowledge Noah Commercial Development Project to the airport was a go. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 36 Norton/Yeah right. Atkins/We had to decide where the road was going to exit on to Riverside Drive whether north or whether south. The engineering work will give us the information to make that decision. Karin contacted the schools to see what they were interested in... Norton/Is that going to be timely with respect to Staib... Atkins/...As I understand the Staib decision... We have not received the official location... Ron and some of the commission members have spoken with Mr. Staib and have gotten some general idea on where this building is going to be located. We need to nail that down because that will have a bearing on the engineering. Dilkes/My understanding is there was an August 12 letter to Mr. Staib from Dennis asking for the additional information we needed and we've not yet received a response. Is that correct? Atkins/Ron's saying that's correct. Lehman/The ball is in his court. Norton/Is it his option to decide where it is located? Atkins/No. We need to know what his particular interests are... Thornberry/Doesn't he have to know whether the road's going to be on the north or south? Transverse that piece of property ?... Atkins/No... Thornberry/ ....Doesn't make any difference whether it's north or south? Atkins/It has a bearing on how far he might be from the road. Lehman/75 feet difference in the location of the building. One road or the other. Thomberry/So he doesn't have a location for the building... Lehman/As soon as he tells us where he wants it. Howard Horan/That's exactly Dean's point. He doesn't have a location for the building. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 37 Thornberry/Because he doesn't know where the road's going to go either from the north or the south. Norton/That's my point, who is on first here. Horan/We really feel like the ball is in his court and he .... Could indicate a clear and specific preference .... We feel like we need to hear something .... Thomberry/Does he know the ball is in his court? Horan/Yeah, I think legal has contacted him 3-4 times. Dilkes/I think it is very clear the ball is in his court from our perspective. Kubby/The paper talked about some delays .... Horan/...we are requesting from him an application to become a fixed base operator, a modest fee of $600 and basic business projection .... And we haven't received those yet .... This should be procedural on his pan. Norton/...he couldn't proceed because we were sitting on where the road was going to be. Lehman/I talked to Mr. Staib the morning that came out in the paper... I think everybody understands everybody else at this point. I don't think there is any question that the ball is in his court. Atkins/Moving on, so what we need from the North Airport Commercial is an agreement between the Airport Commission and City Council and we need to settle with the school district .... Issues being worked on. We did Jet Services terminal renovation. Ron provided a summary memo for you that identifies the extent of work that is necessary at the terminal. It would be our intent for us to proceed and make that Airport Terminal Renovation Project and upcoming CIP. Lehman/I would like, for the record... that these items that we are talking about relevant to the Airport, all be items that down the road the city may expect to be paid for. Kubby/We can't get reimbursement. Norton/It is a municipal building. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 38 Kubby/ Atkins/We can't get money from the Feds on the terminal .... Important elements for this terminal renovation, we need to write up for you a project description .... We will have to go back and prepare a program statement. We thought these are kind of the major elements (reads memo) .... We need a public use policy for these facilities. We need to write that up ....Expresses what we talked about. Norton/Was there a number here, $800,0007 Atkins/About $600- We have to have a program definition before I can give you a budget .... Norton/This will provide public space for only one of the FBO? Atkins/I don't know how the space can be divvied up? .... Thomberry/...Why are we going to be building a facility for Iowa City Flying Service and if Iowa Jet goes in, they are paying the whole ball of wax. Atkins/Some sort of lease back arrangements ..... those answers I don't know .... Points for negotiation. Lehman/...I really would like to see us make some effort to make a park .... Beautiful place for a park .... With minimum investment .... It could be Sertoma Park .... Norton/ Atkins/Do we have a nod of the head to go ahead and try to put together a Terminal Renovation Project for you? Norton/We might as well bite the bullet .... Thornberry/ Atkins/We need to develop a program definition ..... Kubby/This is another goal... I think there should be a private partnership here... Atkins/The Commission... that is up to them .... Okay. The next project is the South Riverside Drive Airport Site/Public Works Yard, Office and Support Facilities. I think most of you are pretty familiar with this .... Commission .... Very supportive This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 39 of it .... Bottom line, this is the Administration Building .... I will be putting together a draft proposal to send to both Council and Commission on how it is going to be financed .... Our leasing of Airport land for these purposes .... (Refers to map) DPW Drive... road .... Capital investments...two outlots ....School storage .... Thornberry/Developable lots for what? Champion/Commercial, private- Atkins/ABC company .... Private .... School district storage building .... (refers to map) ....We show a household hazardous waste processing building and that will go .... Kubby/Concem .... Not very accessible. It is harder to get out to the landfill than it is to get to this point .... Atkins/Doesn't mean we cannot periodically hold .... When you build on of these... safety features .... Current site... oil drop off spot .... Norton/Where would the National Guard Armory be? Atkins/(Refers to map) .... Norton/I hope this is going to be nice looking ....Where are you going to get all of the dirt? Atkins/ Schmadeke/We are pulling dirt away from Willow Creek south and west of the Public Works site .... Atkins/... So, we need to put together the general description of this project ....We will put together an agreement...decide on financing .... Finally... new idea .... Calling Riverside Re-development...old Public Works Building .... Investment that we are making... We had to decide what we are ultimately going to do with the Public Works Building... (Refers to map). The Transit Building will remain .... Design about a nine acre parcel .... Difficulty... taking garbage out .... Joe has an obligation on methane abatement for the Transit Building. We ask them to put together a concept of methane abatement for the whole site ....How can we create a buildable site .....making it something that we could sell off. ....Quick idea ....Karin had her staff put together... what we could This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 40 put on the site .... We couldn't afford to dig it out .... Smash it. What you do is you pick the building pad, the site that you want to see developed- Village Inn... that site was burned... allowed for the compaction. There is a process .... Literally...compacts the stuff, then you fill back in and you can create a reasonably sound, buildable surface. We would like to pursue that concept ..... It is about $2 million to prepare the site .... If we can show you a $2 million investment .... Evidently this is so unstable that we would have to do something and this concept of smashing it ..... Most of us were chuckling .... The depth of this stuff is anywhere from 9 - 22 feet of garbage .... Lehman/Steve, can we take his name and give it to the person we sell it to? Atkins/I don't know .... We had this appraised many years ago and as a landfill .... $900,000 appraisal .... I would like to put together the idea ..... Norton/ Atkins/Joe... found out all of this information for us .... HUD has certain economic development initiative fund programs .... To see whether we are eligible .... Kubby/Makes so much sense .... So busy commercially .... Atkins/Seems a natural fit with what is going on at the Airport ....Abandoned the site anyway .... Thornberry/Any possibility... a private road from the Transit Building to Hwy 6 and getting a curb cut? Atkins/We doubt very much whether the state would approve a curb cut ..... Thornberry/Where does exactly... Airport property? .... Is there any Airport property on the east side of the highway? Atkins/No ....(Refers to map). Not that I know of.... You have easements. Ron O'Neil/You have control. Atkins/Runway protection zone .... We would like to put that together .... Norton/Are you suggesting on light things? Atkins/No .... talked about an automobile dealership .....interest .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 41 Norton/It has never lived up to its promise, the whole corner .... Atkins/...corner .... (All talking). This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 42 Appointments 98-95 S1 Historic Preservation (Brown Street): Marc Mills Library Board of Trustees: Winston Barclay CHANGE TAPE TO REEL 98-95 SIDE 2 Housing and Community Development Commission: Reappt. Gretchen Schmuck & Dan Coleman Animal Control Advisory Board: This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 43 Council Agenda/Council Time 98-95 S2 1. Champion/I read in the paper about the other side of the street parking. Where is that at? Vanderhoef/The whole north side. Lehman/If they are parked on the wrong side of the street .... Kubby/Parking violation. Champion/The paper said, people park on both sides of the street .... Concerns of ambulances and fire trucks. I think we had to decide what we want here. Do we want to keep these streets clear for emergency vehicles or do we want a revenue source for the city?... Dilkes/I think there is limits by State Code on the parking. Vanderhoef/Two different areas .... What I was reading in the packet...meters... Champion/We already ticket every two hours .... We certainly do. Lehman/...the whole idea is to get cars off the street .... Champion/ .... prevent people from parking in the first place instead of ticketing them all of the time .... Vanderhoef/What comes up for me... public safety problems of people parking in the alleys and loading zones .... This needs to be looked at equally ..... Champion/...should be prevention instead of ticketing .... Norton/All we are doing here is talking about them being able to go to $5.00 every two hours .... Lehman/That is all we can do at this point. Norton/State law limits us. Thornberry/ Lehman/Joe Fowler... State law prohibits us from fining more than $5.00 Champion/ This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 44 Lehman/Limit is set by State law .... Vanderhoef/Can we make sure that is also for alleys?...consistent for all of our safety fire lanes .... 2. Champion/I think it would be beneficial if we televise these work session meetings. Have that ever been talked about? Lehman/Yes. Champion/ Kubby/We had cost estimates 3-4 years ago .... Norton/It is too slow moving ....Not conveying as much information to the public at our regular sessions .... Champion/ Vanderhoef/Concern .... Watcher only that catches only a little piece of it... in a free flow kind of discussion... leads to possibilities for more misinformation .... Lehman/Work sessions are great places to ask stupid questions. Vanderhoef/Great place for someone to come in and sit here and listen to the whole discussion. Norton/Be sure... public gets some understanding of what we are doing .... Lehman/Public Hearing... prefer .... our discussion take place after we have heard from the public .... Norton/ Champion/ Kubby/I am for televising it. Norton/Some of the informality would be lost .... People can come and see .... 3. Thomberry/ .... kegger ordinance from Greenfield, Mass ..... I kind of wanted to know what everybody else thought about it ..... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 45 Lehman/May have been sent to council without you getting a copy, Marian? Norton/...take registration ....Sell beer in another form... Thornberry/They made that from a city council thing into a state law .... Interesting process .... We did looked at a keg ordinance .... Norton/A keg registration seems like it would be something fairly straight forward. Champion/You can't make laws to control people's own responsibility. Thornberry/They did in Massachusetts. Champion/I would just tear that tag off and pay that $50 fine. Thomberry/ (All talking). Thornberry/It is something to look at. Norton/I don't see how it can hurt .....Still need a decent party ordinance. Dilkes/There was discussion of keg registration ..... 4. O'Donnell/I got a letter in the packet from the lady at Ecumenical Towers .... I think it is very disturbing, the last sentence .... After dark she is speaking of downtown .... It is a zoo, be careful, don't feed the animals...don't go there. What a terrible thing to say about downtown. Champion/She would say that about almost any area where there are bars and restaurants. Thornberry/I don't know the person. Norton/Has to do with our policing... I went down there the other night... It was very pleasant .... O'Donnell/...I am just saying, when you get a letter like this .... I have heard this for quite awhile. I think we need more police presence down there .... Champion/I agree to that .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 46 Norton/She wasn't harassed except mentally maybe. Lehman/This particular person might be nervous... concerned about the impression .... We have a couple of patrolmen .... They are there .... Norton/I noticed... there is quite a bit of driving through that alley. Why is that? .... Champion/They are doing the loop. Lehman/...There are cars who do use the alley .... Kubby/Police officers... use that alley, too. Norton/...police auxiliary .... 5. Vanderhoef/I want to know if anybody else is going to go to the Chamber Legislative Forum on September 27 Norton/I am planning to. Karr/Let me know and I will put them all together. Champion/ Karr/Wednesday, September 2, 11:30 - 1:30. Norton/...one way to get to see them .... 6. Vanderhoef/The School breakfast, the Foundation breakfast .... Norton/At $60 a head ..... Champion/I am going. Vanderhoef/I think we should be represented. Norton/I sent the money in already .... 7. Vanderhoef/Did everyone get the invitation to the groundbreaking on the Medical Education Building? Norton/I can't go. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 47 Vanderhoef/There is a lunch available to it. Norton/What day of the week is that? Karr/I think it may be a Friday. Vanderhoef/Friday, September 25 .... Norton/You are in Omaha that moming. Vanderhoef/ 8. Kubby/Two short things... Water deposit issues when people are moving within the city. I want to make sure that gets scheduled. Lehman/I think there is some work being done... by staff....I talked to Don Yucuis a week or so ago .... Where somebody already had one deposit and was going to be asked to make a second deposit before the first deposit even came back. I think Don is addressing that. Kubby/I had nine calls about that issue...lower income people .... Some people did not have a good record of paying bills, some people did. Thornberry/If they have a poor record, do they have a higher deposit? Kubby/No. Lehman/That is something we are looking at. 9. Kubby/We got this letter from Bradford Houser about wanting a change in siding material...Certificate of Appropriateness .... Official appeal. Atkins/I am not sure how to handle that. Kubby/Maybe we need to get back to him .... Atkins/I am not sure how to handle that. Norton/There are at least two houses in that district that already have vinyl on. Lehman/That is what he said in his letter ....Not on Summit Street .... This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498 August 24, 1998 Council Work Session Page 48 Kubby/We need to make sure he understands what the correct process is if he wants to implement it. Dilkes/I think he has met the formality of filing a notice of appeal. I think there is going to be some staff suggestion to Historic Preservation to re-consider .... Kubby/ 10. Kubby/September 29... date for Student Senate, 6:30 to 7:00 with refreshments .... 7:00 to 9:00 safety issues .... 11. Lehman/One thing .... Think about it. We have had several meetings... decided to move public discussion from the end of the meeting to the beginning of the meeting... Public discussion gets going long into the meeting .... Staff folks who are sitting here. I believe we need to set a limit on the amount of time at the beginning of the meeting for public discussion ....Stop at 8:00 and then resume it after our agenda .... Champion/ Thornberry/We have a time limit .... Lehman/I think we need to tell the public, think about, we will talk about it. Norton/We need to do something. (All talking). Meeting Adjourned: 11:15 PM This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of August 24, 1998 WS082498