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ITEM NO. 3 ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 14, ENTITLED "UNIFIED
DEVELOPMENT CODE," CHAPTER 3, ENTITLED "CITY
UTILTIES," ARTICLE H, ENTITLED "SOLID WASTE,"
SECTION 8, ENTITLED "STORAGE OF SOLID WASTE" BY
AMENDING SUBSECTION E, ENTITLED "LOCATION OF
SOLID WASTE CONTAINER," AND BY ADDING A NEW
SUBSECTION F, ENTITLED "DOWNTOWN SOLID WASTE
CONTAINER CODE" TO ESTABLISH A PERMIT SYSTEM
FOR STORAGE OF SOLID WASTE CONTAINERS IN THE
DOWNTOWN PUBLIC RIGHTS-OF-WAY.
(First Consideration)
Lehman/ (reads item)
Champion/ Move first consideration.
Lehman/ Moved by Champion.
O'Donnell/ Second.
Lehman/ Seconded by O'Donnell. Discussion.
Elliott/ Yes, I would like to put this off until we have a meeting to have
some discussion about it.
Vanderhoef/ I think what I was reading in the ordinance was that this was just an
enactment but as far as procedural which I think are the things that
we are going to want to talk about that will come later as the
resolution. So I'd be willing to go ahead and with this today.
Bailey/ Have we talked to the permit holders ...
Atkins/ Yes.
Bailey/ ...to get a sense of whether this is enforceable and manageable?
Atkins/ Yes, we ordered the stickers. We've spoken with the haulers. Ah,
I'm trying to put it all together just as we have discussed. If you
want some more discussion about it I'd really ask that you at least
do first reading. We can put it on for the 16thand I can tell you or
give you an update on where we are on the matter.
Bailey/ And when I say permit holders i'm talking about the people
downtown, the building owners downtown.
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Atkins/ No, no we've not done that.
Bailey/ See that's where I anticipate a lot of additional discussion. I mean if
we are going to get an enforceable ordinance it's going to have to
involve that.
Atkins/ Well, the ownership of the dumpster is the hauler's, and the haulers
have the obligation now to keep it clean, in order to purchase the
sticker, to secure the position in the public right-of-way, to serve
their customers. I wasn't going to go and say to Enzler's or to
Catherine's and say "Where do you want your dumpster?"
Bailey/ Right.
Atkins/ I don't think we want to get involved in that. We want the hauler to
have a licensed dumpster to serve those businesses.
Bailey/ So we have the expectation that the hauler has talked or will talk to
their customers?
Champion/ They don't have too.
Atkins/ They don't have too, but I am assuming that they would want to do
that because ultimately you're going to, I want to, put a fee on the
dumpster.
Bailey/ Right, that's my concern about ...
Atkins/ I am proposing that the first year be no fee. I will propose that to
you.
Lehman/ Unless the dumpsters are identified...
Atkins/ Right.
Lehman/ ...we can't enforce any ordinance.
Atkins/ We can't do anything.
Lehman/ And the only way you are going to identify them is to license them.
Atkins/ That's right.
Bailey/ So that part of it has basically been taken care of.
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Atkins/ This is what does that.
Bailey/ No, I mean that part of discussion and people understand it and
we're not going this back with "Why are you raising our..."
Atkins/ I doubt that very much.
Lehman/ We're going to get that anyway.
Atkins/ You may get that anyway but I doubt that very much.
Bailey/ That's my concern about voting first consideration on a meeting that
there are lots of people who really don't know about it.
Champion/ But there are still two more considerations. It isn't like ..
Dilkes/ It isn't really the meaning of the permit system it will be in the
resolution and wouldn't come until the third reading of the
ordinance.
Bailey/ Resolution.
Dilkes/ Basically what this does is the way the Code is written right now it
requires a written agreement between the person with the dumpster
and the City and so we would have to send every agreement
through Council ...
Atkins/ Through you.
Dilkes/ and would really be pretty unworkable.
Bailey/ Right. Get that.
Dilkes/ That's really all this does. And the resolution then will have the
meat of the ...
Elliott/ I would compromise with the first reading but I want to know what
the trash collectors, what they have to say, and Steve can probably
tell us that.
Atkins/ yea.
EIliott/ I want to know what the owners and operators of the buildings have
to say.
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Atkins/ That I can't help you with. I mean if I am going to contact every
property owner in downtown we wouldn't get this done for a year.
Elliott/ I just don't like the City doing something that impacts them without
without contacting them.
Lehman/ I agree with you Bob except they're doing something that impacts
the entire City. Everybody downtown, every pedestrian, every
shopper downtown deals with trash blowing all over the alleys. We
have said that's a big problem and we want to see it addressed.
The only way we can address the issue is to find out who is in
charge of the dumpsters by licensing them.
O'Donnell/ This is simply a method of identifying the dumpsters and we'll be
able to go forward.
Bailey/ And I agree with that and it's an 8:30 meeting with no press here
and so that sends a different message then...
Atkins/ That's a good point.
Bailey/ ...then having it at a regular meeting where the people got a heads
up. I mean 1 don't want to send a message that we're trying to slip
something by this community issue we keep talking about it sorta
jointly. I mean first consideration but this may indeed slow down
the second and third consideration and I encourage us not to
consider to expedite this at all. A thorough discussion.
Elliott/ The City has indicated it very much supports neighborhood
associations. As a matter of fact we have a paid position for that.
And one of the ways to make the Downtown Association more
effective is to keep them involved in things like this, and I would just
not be in favor of doing this unless a representative of the building
owners and operators is contacted and we get some information
from them. This is a way to make the Downtown Association more
viable.
Wilburn/ I'm okay going with first consideration. I will not attempt to expedite
it. It's not totally out of the blue. The concept is out there because
it's been discussed that we have been interested in doing
something related to permitting in the downtown area. That's been
out there, that's been in the papers.
Champion/ The other important thing is this is City property that these
dumpster are sitting on.
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Vanderhoef/ Yes.
Atkins/ Yes.
Champion/ They're not private property. I mean I can't even put a rack out on
the sidewalk whenever I want to but we let people put dumpsters
with filth blowing out of them anywhere they want basically.
Bailey/ And I agree with you Connie I'm just saying that we get a little bit
more cooperation when we have those discussions and I think we
set ourselves up for failure if we are not inviting people in. I mean it
doesn't have to be a long process discussion. I mean this is the
direction we want to go. We're real clear about that but I think that
we need to make sure that people are involved and feel like it didn't
you know slip by on some Friday morning meeting.
Champion/ Steve can get a copy of it to the Downtown Association.
Lehman/ Yea, can we set a note to the Downtown Association indicating our
intentions and ask ...
Atkins/ We intended to send them all sorts of information.
Lehman/ Right.
Atkins/ We turned this over to them a year ago.
Lehman/ I realize that.
Bailey/ Right.
Atkins/ It didn't go anywhere.
Lehman/ Right.
Atkins/ And that's why we...
O'Donnell/ And yet everybody continued to complain about the stuff .... walking
around downtown.
Bailey/ But between now and ...
O'Donnell/ I can't image anybody not supporting this because this is something
that we need to do to clean up downtown and the alleys.
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Bailey/ Here in Iowa City you can't imagine anybody not supporting .....
(Laughter)
O'Donnell/ No, I really can't. I would be amazed if we have anybody .....
Bailey/ I just think between now and May 17 we have to make sure that
people are aware of this and we hear any concerns that they might
have or any support that they might have. It's always fun ...
O'Donnell/ I don't disagree with that at all.
Elliott/ I would also like to know how this fits in with the total
comprehensive look on what we are going to do with downtown.
The downtown sidewalks and streets in general and the alleys in
particular. You know how are going or what are we going with the
sidewalks. Who's going to pay for it? Will the merchants be?
Could we have a zoning code that any new buildings downtown
have to have an outlet for a hose in front so the sidewalks can be
hosed off? Things like that. I think we just need not to take one
step at a time. We need to take a look at downtown area and say
what are we going to do? How are we going to do it? When are we
going to do it? Who's going to pay for it? How do we let people
know about? How do we get people on bound? That's what I want
to do.
Champion/ Well we can do it slowly. Babies take one step at a time before
they run.
Elliott/ But we ain't babies.
Lehman/ Are we ready to vote on this?
Elliott/ Yes.
Lehman/ Roll call. Motion carries.
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ITEM NO. 6 CONSIDER A MOTION TO ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION
TO EVALUATE THE PROFESSIONAL COMPETENCY OF
INDIVIDUALS WHOSE APPOINTMENT, HIRING,
PERFORMANCE OR DISCHARGE IS BEING CONSIDERED
WHEN NECESSARY TO PREVENT NEEDLESS AND
IRREPARABLE INJURY TO THOSE INDIVIDUAL~'
REPUTATIONS AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS REQUESTED A
CLOSED SESSION. (City Manager, City Attorney, City Clerk)
Lehman/ (reads item)
Vanderhoef/ Move the resolution.
O'Donnell/ Second.
Lehman/ Moved by Vanderhoef, seconded by O'Donnell. Roll call.
Dilkes/ Did you want me to give that little overview?
Lehman/ Oh, we will as soon as we vote.
Atkins/ Before you vote...
Lehman/ Yes.
Atkins/ Do you need to take action on those appointments? I mean when
they go into executive and it starts immediately.
Kard No, they have to come back to adjourn anyway Steve so it doesn't
matter.
Atkins/ Okay. Never mind.
Kard So, he's just wants it at the end of the item before you go into
executive.
Dilkes/ I thought we would do it during discussion. It doesn't matter. GO
ahead and vote. (roll call)
Lehman/ Motion carries. Before we go into executive session I've asked
Eleanor to give us just a brief synopsis of the issues that we may or
may not discuss.
Dilkes/ As I indicated the Mayor as asked that I provide just kinda an
overview of what discussion is permissible during the executive
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session that is called for the purpose of evaluating an employee.
There's a lot of line drawing here obviously that I can't do because
I'm not with you when you're evaluating Marian and Steve. I can do
it in my own but not in theirs. (laughter) And you know when we
are in executive session on other matters you know if I think its
heading off into a subject that really not covered I'll stop you and
pull you back on point. But it's kinda hard to it in advance but I
thought I would just give you some parameters. Fundamentally
need to remember that this is your critique of your employees and
their performance and that necessarily involves a dialogue between
you and the employee obviously. In executive session for an
evaluation of an employee is not a time to discuss City policy, the
state of the city, ah you know let me give you an example. It's not
appropriate to go and talk about the alcohol policies of the city for
instance. You would be appropriate to discuss whether given the
policies that the Council has out in place whether the City Manager,
City Attorney, and City Clerk are executing those policies as you
instructed. That's kinda the distinction there. But it shouldn't get off
on just kinda of a summary what's happening in the City these
days. Another issue is discussion of the performance of a staff
member of the employee that you are evaluating. That's
acceptable to the extent that it relates to the performance of the
City Manager for instance if you're evaluating the City Manager or
me if you are evaluating me and you have questions about a
member of my staff and that relates to my performance in your
evaluation of my performance. To the extent that it does not relate
to my supervision, my running of my office, whatever, something
related to my performance is not an acceptable topic of discussion.
So those are kinda the very bound parameters and you're on your
own.
(laughter)
Lehman/ Alright. Thank you. (adjourn to executive session)
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