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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1998-12-15 Transcription#1a Page 1 ITEM NO. 1 a Special Presentation (Sheila Gill) Lelnnan/You know Iowa City is a very diverse community and we have folks from all over the world that come here and tonight we are really favored to have someone from Leeds England who was a city councilor in Leeds England for 18 years. We think that 4 years is a long time, 8 years is terrible and 12 is almost unbelievable. Eighteen years on a council of 99 council members. And I told this delightful lady that we were just more efficient cause we only had 7, and she said we have a long ways to go. So I would like to introduce Sheila Gill. Please come up. This strange thing is a microphone so everyone can hear your delightful voice. (cannot hear comment by Sheila??) Sheila Gill/Well actually I am here on behalf of the Lord mayor of the city of Leeds. Because when he heard that I was coming over here to be with my daughter and son-in-law and family he suggested that he send a gift over to the mayor of Iowa City which I have here. And he said I have to give it to him first with his best wishes and the best wishes of all the citizens of Leeds. Probably (can't hear) but you know, so we have this little gift for you. Now I don't know if any of you are aware but Leeds is an enormous city in England in the country. It's very well rounded by a (can't hear) university. It has a very fine football team the first famous (can't hear) team and the (can't hear) ladies world heavy weight and that's why they picked (can't understand). Although it's a very much bigger place than this I wouldn't have taken the time going to the west, might (can't hear) of some sort of thing with Leeds with the city of Iowa because Iowa City (can't hear) and I'd like to say now if any of you do come to England I have left my name on this little piece of paper I'm going to leave and if you do come to England I want you to come to Leeds I'll show you around, probably not by me but by the Lord Mayor (can't hear) please get in touch with me because it would be lovely to continue this link because I think it's rather nice when you have them between cities in which are other parts of the world. But Leeds, I thought you might just be interested to know, would you mind holding this, you might be interested to know that Leeds (can't hear) just talk about something that you know. (can't hear) Before, Leeds has 240 males, until 1895, and at that point, Lehman/They can't hear you on TV. Sheila Gill/Oh of course I'm not on TV. (can't hear) Lehman/I'll hold it. Sheila Gill/Thank you very much This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #1a Page 2 Lehman/Yes, your welcome. Sheila Gill/Leeds has 240 males until 1897, and in her jubilee Queen Victoria declared that the first citizen should be entitled Lord Mayor and Councilor Kaplan who is our present Lord Mayor, he is our 105th person to hold the office. So you can see we've been going quite a long time. And (can't understand) sunny side, because I'm not Yorkshire, I'm Lancasteran, which is the next county, and if any of you know any English history, you will probably recall that for many years we had the wall to the roses between Lankishire and Yorkshire. And it's been repeated out with Lankishire actually winning, but of course people in Leeds will not say that, that's, but we used to have great fun on council with me being from Lancaster and I'm not quite sure if you understand this but I was referred to the council as BML, the bloody man??? from Lancasteran. Please don't put me on your council please. Anyway, I will do the presentation and then you can get on with your evening so, work. That's a little note. Lehman/Thank you. Sheila Gill/Of course it's not going to open, it never does when you want it to. You hold that, I'll hold this. Lehman/Thank you. Sheila Gill/That's quite all fight sir. Lehman/Oh this is a plaque from the City of Leeds. Sheila Gill/It's a coat of arms from the City of Leeds. Lehman/Well I thank you very much, this has been delightful. And if I ever get over there I don't want to see the Lord Mayor I want to see you. Sheila Gill/Well he doesn't want to see you either. Lehman/And here's a little token, a little pin from Iowa City, it says it fight on there. Sheila Gill/Yes it does indeed. Yes, oh how very kind of you. Lehman/Yes, and we're so proud to have you here this evening. Sheila Gill/How very kind of you, very many thank you' s. The council meeting will be the highlight of holidays. (can't hear)... permission to leave... This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #1a Page 3 Lehman/No, no, that's quite all fight. Thank you for coming. You know usually we have Citizenship awards to give folks at the beginning of the council meeting which is a lot of fun but nothing has been more fun that the lady from England. Sheila Gill/(can't hear)... grandson's concert... This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #3 Page 4 ITEM NO. 3 CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS PRESENTED OR AMENDED. Lehman/(Reads agenda Item #3). Norton/Move adoption. Lehman/Moved by Norton, seconded by O'Donnell. Discussion? Kubby/I'd like to take one of the Traffic Engineering ones out for separate discussion, #7B, page 5, the Tower Court parking prohibition. Take out for separate consideration, we may still pass it, but... Lehman/Okay. Any other discussion? That is a form of amendment to remove that, is that, to be an amendment? Kubby/Yeah, I already said that. Lehman/Moved by Karen, second by Norton that we take item 7 separately, any further discussion on the consent calendar? Norton/Well, there were a number of items I wanted, one of them approving the start of the Summit Street bridge, there's a biggy, getting underway. Lehman/Right. Norton/I thought we ought to acknowledge that, but. Champion/Hope it takes a couple years. Norton/Yeah, we'll have plenty of time I suppose. Lehman/Wait a minute Connie, you hope it takes several years? Kubby/Yea, so the streets closed. Lehman/You mean we'll building a million dollars for a bridge for a street that you wish were closed? Champion/Well I'm just hoping that the bridge takes a long time. This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #3 Page 5 Lehman/Well I don't quite understand why we need to spend a million dollars for a bridge on a street that we wished was closed. OK. Any other discussion? Norton/The only one I wondered on the Napoleon Park the maintenance building, the park maintenance building, the park maintenance building. Now, is that structured pretty much what we talked about before or is them something brand new here? Steve Atkins/I don't think there's anything substantially different. Norton/The location is the same as, can't hear and all that. Atkins/Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes. Norton/I made myself a sticky note and I want to use it. Lehman/I hope you don't erase it. Terry Trueblood/What he said, that's right. Norton/As it was. And work starts when? Terry Trueblood/Yes we have, work will be starting in very ,very early spring if all goes well. Norton/And finish up in the summer? Terry Trueblood/Yes, that's correct. Lehman/Other discussion? Roll call- (all ayes.) Motion carried. OK Item 7 do you want to discuss separately, Karen? Kubby/Yes, we were so late last night I meant to talk about this last night, but a couple of weeks ago some neighbors called me, some of the folks who do not want the parking prohibition because of the lack of off-street parking where they live and had some ideas about residential permits being another option that everyone in that neighborhood might be agreeable to and would like to offer that as a constructive alternative, I think part of problem is that residents feel that they can't park on the street because it gets filled up with commuter parking. This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #3 Page 6 Norton/Was the suggestion you got, and I got a call too and I'm sure others did, but it had to do with there's not enough parking on the Noah side and this was going to ban it on the South side, right? Kubby/Right. Norton/And was this the suggestion that there be permit parking be considered. Kubby/Yea, that there be a residential permit program and that area. Norton/Yea, it was 15-9 and I understood it for the present action just before us to take (can't hear) parking on the South side, on a 32 that were mailed out I think that 15 approved that and 9 did not. But I don't think they that considered permit possibilities. Kubby/Right, right. I mean when the one option was given that's how the vote came and said we might want to go ahead and pass it but ifthere's another way to deal with the problem that might be helpful to everyone in the neighborhood. Norton/We should investigate that, you mean. But then we could defer this item too, I don't know what the virtue of passing and then repassing something else or. Kubby/Right, it would be??? Lehman/Has Doug been apprised of the concept of permit parking? Kubby/I don't know, I don't know what kind of work the folks who suggested that had done at this point or not. I certainly gave out the correct phone numbers who they should call and inquire about that, and it's not a new concept but we've talked a couple times on the North side about doing that and that neighborhood rejected it, but this is a different kind of neighborhood and maybe they would be interested. It's a much smaller space that we'd be talking about as well. Atkins/If you'd like I'd just encourage to approve the consent calendar, why don't you send this back to us we'll prepare something more comprehensive, talk to the folks you want to talk to so, you'd have a lot more information to work with. Norton/In other words pass it, and then take another look at that. Atkins/Well, just defer this matter. (Several people talking) This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #3 Page 7 Lehman/If we don't take any further action than we have fight now we'll automatically go back and be, you look at it and it will read appear. Atkins/Yes, it's been removed. I assume is that automatic. Karr/Right now you do not have a motion on the floor you have the motion to remove it, so there is no motion on the floor. If you wish it to be deferred or referred back that would be the motion. If you wish it just accepted and to proceed, you would move to accept it as is. Kubby/Well I move we direct staff to investigate further possibilities for Tower Court. Norton/I'll second that. Lehman/That's probably the best bet. Moved by Kubby, seconded by Norton, to defer. All in favor, all ayes. It will appear. Kubby/Thank you. This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #5b Page 8 ITEM NO. 5b PLANNING AND ZONING MATERS. Consider a motion setting a public hearing for January 12 on an ordinance changing the zoning designation of approximately 0.2 acres located at 703 Benton Court from Medium Density Single- Family Residential (RS-8) to High Density Multifamily Residential (RM-44). REZ98- 0015) Lehman/(Reads agenda Item #5b). Thornberry/Move it, move to set the public hearing. Norton/Second. Lehman/Moved by Thomberry, seconded by Norton. Discussion? Norton/I just wanted to remind you there's some interesting discussion in the minutes about this matter, be sure to take a hard look at it, it's kind of a complicated issue and it arises in another couple other places in town the same principle. Lehman/Right. Well obviously there will be some discussion at the public hearing. All in favor. Public hearing is set. All ayes. Motion carried. This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #7b Page 9 ITEM NO. 7b. RESOLUTION DIRECTING THAT PUBLIC PROPERTY WITHIN THE AREA COMMONLY KNOWN AS THE PENINSULA BE CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC WHILE DEER SHARP SHOOTING ACTIVITIES ARE BEING CONDUCTED PURSUANT TO THE CITY'S DEER MANAGEMENT PLAN. Thornberry/I move the rural requiring ordinances must be considered and voted on for passing. Karr/This is a resolution? Lehman/This is a resolution. Karr/Would you like to move it? Lehman/Moved by Thornberry. Thornberry/I'll move. O'Donnell/I second. Lehman/Seconded by O'Donnell. Kubby/If there' s a violation of this, if there are any protester people disregard the sign for whatever reason, would that be a municipal infraction or what? Eleanor Dilkes/Violation of a trespass sign? Kubby/I guess that's what this would be, so it would be a simple misdemeanor then? Eleanor Dilkes/Probably, Yes. I'd have to check for sure, I mean, I think it's a misdemeanor, I think, and I think it's a simple misdemeanor, but I'm not sure. Lehman/I think if I'm not mistaken this is strictly for the safety of the community. Kubby/Oh yea, I think that kind of, cause there a lot of people that do walk down there, who, people don't know, I think it's really good to sign, to sign it. Lehman/Yea, I think it has to be posted. Kubby/Will it be signed throughout the whole months, the range of the sharp shooting or only the times when the sharp shooting is going to take place? Off limits for 4 or 8 weeks. This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #7b Page 10 Lehman/I could be wrong but I believed I talked to Lisa and if I'm not mistaken that is going to posted for a period of 6 or 8 weeks for no trespassing. I believe that is a period of time to do the bating and far in advance of any sharp shooting and then of course at the time the sharp shooting is over with the trespassing signs will be removed, but I think it's for a significant amount of time. Dilkes/That was my understanding. Vanderhoef/I think that' s real appropriate for the safety of the community. Lelunan/Right. Any further discussion? Roll Call. All ayes. Motion carries. This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #8 Page 11 ITEM NO. 8 CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE CITY CODE OF THE CITY OF IOWA CITY, IOWA, BY AMENDING CHAPTER 8, ENTITLED "POLICE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD," SPECIFICALLY, SECTIONS 8-8-2 AND 8-8-7, TO ELIMINATE COMPLAINANT PARTICIPATION IN DUE PROCESS NAME-CLEARING HEARINGS. (SECOND CONSIDERATION) Lehman/(Reads agenda Item #8) This is the second consideration and staff is recommended that this expedited. Thornberry/I move that the rule requiring ordinances must be considered and voted on for passage at 2 council meetings prior to the meeting which it is to be finally to be passed be suspended that the second consideration and vote be waived and that the ordinance be voted for final passage at this time. O'Donnell/Second. Lehman/Moved by Thomberry, seconded by O'Donnell, for expedition. Discussion. Roll call. (Kubby 7/0) Thornberry/I move that the ordinance be finally adopted at this time. Vanderhoef/Second. Lehman/Moved by Thomberry, seconded by Vanderhoef. Discussion? Kubby/There, I want to ensure that the participant gets to respond somehow to what the officer says, is there ever, I know that that could happen in mediation, are there other opportunities in the formal process where the officer or officers and the complainant or complainants are together in the same room and can discuss things so they can react to each others perceptions to what happened? Eleanor Dilkes/The PCRB has the opportunity to interview the complainant if it chooses but there is not another opportunity for the complainant and the officer to be in the same room and have that kind of give and take except for mediation as I. Norton/Well we can consider that issue among issues in the next few weeks cause we're gonna have a session with them in early February, right? Didn't we decide February 3 last night? Karr/We extended the invitation to them last night, they are going to let us know after their meeting tonight. This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #8 Page 12 Norton/Oh, yes, so particular time and a date, you mean but that among other things we need to think over, that' s part of the whole business of reviewing where we are. Kubby/In terms of the process right now, if the complainant says I just want to sit down and talk with the officer present, and that's really all I want from this process, is that something that would happen now? Eleanor Dilkes/I would think that would be a mediation. Kubby/OK, but we wouldn't need a third, we'd still need a third party to come in to be present to kind of structure that conversation. I<ZalT/ There is a letter sent to the complainant and to the officer through the police chief that offers that sit down dialogue at the very beginning and throughout the processing. Kubby/Thank you for that reminder. Norton/Are you referring to the mediation possibility? Yea, that's offered several times I think isn't it? So, some ways they have the option to sit down and talk. Lehman/Well I think that's the first option you have. My understanding is this is to make is consistent with state code. Is that correct? Eleanor Dilkes/No, this change to make, we believe the purpose is to provide a due process hearing for the officer and is to make it consistent with that. Vanderhoef/It's a constitutional issue not necessarily a state law. Lehman/Right, OK. Right. Roll Call. (Lehman 7/0) Motion carries. This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #10 Page 13 ITEM NO. 10. CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 9 OF THE CITY CODE OF IOWA CITY ENTITLED "MOTOR VEHICLES AND TRAFFIC," BY AMENDING CHAPTER 3, SECTION 6b HEREIN TO CHANGE THE SPEED LIMIT ON US HIGHWAY 6 FROM THE EAST CITY LIMIT TO A POINT 500 FEET WEST OF HEINZ ROAD. (PASS AND ADOPT) Lehman/(Reads agenda Item #10). This is pass and adopt. Thomberry/This is from 55 to 45. Norton/Move adoption. This is pass and adopt anyhow? Lehman/Right. Moved by Norton, seconded by Vanderhoef. Discussion. Roll Call. This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #11 Page 14 ITEM NO. 11. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION TO APPLY FOR A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT GRANT FOR THE SURVEY AND EVALUATION OF THE EARLY NEIGHBORHOOD NORTHEAST OF THE ORIGINAL TOWN PLAT, PHASE III. (NORTH SIDE/GOOSETOWN) Lehman/(Reads agenda Item #11) This is the north side Goosetown neighborhood. Karr/Mr. Mayor I'd like to know what you've received a revised resolution this evening, it simply revision, they've ~rmed up the amount from approximately $6,000 it's now $6,500. Lehman/$6,500 1 see that. Thornberry/I move adoption of the resolution. O'Donnell/Second. Lehman/Moved by Thornberry, seconded by O'Donnell. Discussion. Kubby/And Steve, we budget this kind of money, this isn't extra money, we had money budgeted for this kind of local match. Arkins/Yes, we do. Yes. Letunan/Further discussion? Roll call, (Thornberry 7/0) Motion carries. This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the, Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #12 Page 15 ITEM NO. 12. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE ADOPTION OF THE REVISED VOUCHER PAYMENT STANDARDS FOR THE IOWA CITY HOUSING AUTHORITY VOUCHER PROGRAM. Lehman/(Reads agenda Item #12). Thornberry/Move adoption of this resolution. O'Donnell/Second. Lehman/Moved by Thomberry, seconded by O'Donnell. Discussion. Maggie would you tell us what this is? I, you know, we, we particularly after we've talked about items they come up on the agenda, we have a motion and then we vote without discussion. That's not because we haven't discussed them. But this is one we have not discussed, so. Maggie Grosvenor/What would you like to know? Lehman/Briefly, what are, exactly what does this do? Maggie Grosvenor/Payment standard is a it's an arbitrary amount so to speak that's used in the voucher program to calculate the subsidy. And that's you know, that's in 10 seconds or less. I can go into a whole lot more detail. Norton/Your adopting 100 percent of fair market rent, has anyone ever adopted 110 percent? Maggie Grosvenor/This is a brand new regulation OK. Previously, excuse me I just ran from my car so, you were moving, I was watching from my TV and you were just going like that, I thought I'd better get there. O'Donnell/Kinda shocked us too. Grosvenor/Anyway, previously to October 21st, payment standards could be 80 to 100 percent of the fair market rent. As of October 21st, it's now bumped up to 90 to 110 percent of the fair market rent. That's the parameter we have to operate within. Lehman/This is to make us consistent with new regulations, is that correct? Grosvenor/Right. And I, this is brand new, cause they've imposed another regulation now tenants cannot pay over 40 percent of their income towards their rent. So if This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #12 Page 16 we don't move up the payment standard there not going to be able to afford to rent units in Iowa City. I'm afraid that 100 percent is not going to be high enough, I'm going to propose that right now and then come back in six months and after we've assessed it. Kubby/The people still can pay more, they can go up to 40 percent if they want to? Grosvenor/And that's the cap, yea, and that's a brand new regulation. Kubby/So, it was unlimited before? Grosvenor/Right. Though we were to counsel them to not pay that much, so. Norton/Is this altogether at the local communities where they set between 90 and 1107 Grosvenor/Between 90 and 110. Right. Vanderhoef/That appears that there are, our community isn't the only one that needed the possibility of more than 100 percent. That the feds - Grosvenor/I would guess, that's why they imposed that regulation. Right. I think it's because they put the restriction of 40 percent. So, when they put that restriction in they had to pump this side up. Otherwise we wouldn't be able to find units in certain communities, so. Kubby/Is it possible to look at people who are currently in the voucher program under the old rule to say if there current income and their current rents were under this new program would 100 percent be the appropriate number to be at versus 1107 I mean is there a way to .... Grosvenor/I'm not sure what your asking. Try again. Kubby/(several people talking, can't hear) currently in the voucher program. Grosvenor/Currently in the program, right. Kubby/The places they are renting could they do so if we go to 100 percent or do we need to go to 1107 Have we looked to see statistically if this would work more currently program? Grosvenor/No, we have not. This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #12 Page 17 Norton/In some sense your going to do that as you put it ...... (Several people talking) Grosvenor/Exactly, this is (can't hear), Kubby/Instead of paper, Grosvenor/This is getting at least to this stage and then we'll look at it, it's a brand new regulation like I said and then we'll look at it and see if we need to go up to 110. 110 is maximum, we can't go any higher than that. If we find that people are having difficulty finding units, we just don't know yet. Vanderhoef/And you have the opportunity when they come in to renew their leases that when you'll check? Grosvenor/Right. Right. Lehman/Kind of a learning process, see how it works. OK. Thomberry/Thanks Maggie. Lehman/Roll call. (Vanderhoef 7/0) Motion carries. This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #13 Page 18 ITEM NO. 13 CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AMENDING THE BUDGETED POSITIONS IN THE ASSISTED HOUSING DIVISION OF THE HOUSING AND INSPECTION SERVICES DEPARTMENT BY ADDING A POSITION OF HOUSING PROGRAM ASSISTANT Lehman/(Reads agenda Item #13) Vanderhoef/Move adoption of the resolution. Norton/Second. Lehman/Moved by Vanderhoef, seconded by Norton. Discussion. Kubby/For the money, the federal money we get as long as we have the certificate we will have administration money that will pay for this position? Maggie Grosvenor/That's correct. Lehman/This is part of the new grant that we. Grosvenor/Right, we have 2 new grants. Lehman/Right. Grosvenor/100 new vouchers, 100 new certificates and at maximum you know income potential we have about $145,000 a year offof those if were leased up 100 percent of administrative fees. Norton/And what' s the new aspect of these particular vouchers Maggie? Grosvenor/Do you want me to explain the grants? Norton/Yea, we've gotten, we've had vouchers before but these are ear marked in a certain way. Maggie Grosvenor/Right, these are special targeted. The vouchers are with the mainstream program which is targeted to people that have disabilities so they operate the same way as the normal voucher program but their targeted towards that population. The certificates are it's from a program called The Family Unification program and that' s targeted toward, well just what it says keeping families together. And it's targeted towards families with children at risk of being This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #13 Page 19 homeless. At that's paired up with the department of human services, they will be matching the families on that grant. Kubby/That's great we this. Grosvenor/Yes. Norton/Yes, it is. Kubby/Great. O'Donnell/Congratulations on all the grants. Thornberry/Are we on #13. Lehman/We're on 13. Vanderhoef/And as I understand it the new person as long as the program is in place the grant money comes, however, if the grant money doesn't come then that employee leaves the employment of the city. Grosvenor/These two grants are actually contracts, you know annual contribution contracts and we expect, and we've talked to HUD, we've talked to Harkin's office, we've talked to Leach's office and we expect that those will be refunded again. Vanderhoef/But if the program goes away then we don't have an additional employee that does not .... (Several people talking.) Grosvenor/Dee, to be real honest, that's been HUD's change in the last 2 years, they've eliminated 5 year contracts, they've eliminated 15 year contracts, we're all operating that way. If they don't renew our contracts for any of our funding we close our doors and we go home, I mean that's just all there is, so. It's very typical. Vanderhoef/So it's an annual kind of thing, in 5, 10 and 15 year contracts. OK. Grosvenor/Right. Right. Exactly. Lehn~an/Other discussion. Roll call. (Champion 7/0) Motion carries. This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #14 Page 20 ITEM NO. 14 CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AMENDING THE BUDGETED POSITIONS IN THE ASSISTED HOUSING DIVISION OF THE HOUSING AND INSPECTION SERVICES DEPARTMENT BY ADDING A POSITION OF FSS PROGRAM COORDINATOR AND AMENDING THE AFSCME PAY PLAN. Lehman/(Reads agenda Item # 14). Vanderhoef/Move adoption of the resolution. Lehman/Moved by Vanderhoef. Norton/Second. Lehman/Seconded by Norton. Discussion? Thornberry/Is this another employee? Lehman/Is this part of the same or part of another part of the two grants that we're receiving? Maggie Grosvenor/No, this is another grant. Kubby/How, what's the term on that grant for the FSS? Grosvenor/It's one year. Lehman/Yea, but this is one part of the 2 grants we received. Grosvenor/This is not one part of the two grants. It's a completely separate grant. Lehman/It isn't, it isn't. I see. Grosvenor/The family unification is one grant, the disabilities is one grant, the FSS coordinator is another grant. Lehman/This is another new grant? Grosvenor/Right. Norton/Three of them. This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #14 Page 21 Kubby/I'm a little hesitant on this one until we've had our budget talks because why I guess unless you can talked more about the likelihood of if this grant is a renewable grant because we get used to having someone that provides these services and then the grant is over in one year, it's very difficult to take that employee away that's providing those services to participants of our housing program. And I would like this to be a bigger discussion in our 3oyear budget when were talking about a new employee. So maybe can you talk a little bit about what .... Yea. Grosvenor/I can talk historically what's been happening. The first, this position was created in 1993, the previous housing authority that I worked for we wrote a grant similar to this and secured a FSS coordinator position. They have refunded every existing coordinator position since 1993, this year is the first year that they've allowed housing authorities that weren't funded in 1993 to even apply, I mean even apply. So historically they've been funding it for 5 years. Kubby/OK. Grosvenor/So we expect you know that it will continue. Kubby/With new communities being able to apply were there the same number of grants of some of the same communities who did have them, had to compete with new communities, or was it an expansion of opportunity? Grosvenor/It was an expansion. It was an expansion. Kubby/OK. Norton/Isn't it true that the other one the earlier one was the additional vouchers was also the you know your heating that their cutting the number of vouchers or but here there's extra ones, right? We got 100 new ones. Not in the ordinary program but are targeted. Grosvenor/Well you know how politics go, you know for 2 years HUD was a bad name you know, nasty, nasty now the pendulum has shifted and their allotting new funding, I mean they've allocated additional section 8 funding for year 2000 and 2001. So we just don't know what's going to happen. Kubby/Although the other position we just approved of that if the vouchers go away were dealing with fewer people and we don't need as many employees and so there's a relationship there. There's not a relationship with this one. Because the This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. # 14 Page 22 historic record is that they will do it, I'm less hesitant at this point and I guess we'll just need to make sure we lobby. Grosvenor/We desperately need this position, desperately. Kubby/I mean if it's a program we've had on the books for a long time that really hasn't taken off. Grosvenor/It's been nonfunctioning. Kubby/With someone focusing on it, it will take off. Grosvenor/Exactly, exactly, this particular program takes a lot of work networking in the community and meeting peoples needs and helping them you know get through some of the hurdles and it's a good thing we're trying to get people off of assistance, so. Norton/When do you recruit for these positions is it clear to the people that these are what we call "soft money"? Grosvenor/Oh yea, yep. Thornberry/Maggie, the person we've already hired here and they have to do with housing, that person has to do with housing, why can't they do this other job too? Kubby/Because there's only 40 hours in a week. Grosvenor/Are you talking about the FSS coordinator Dean? Thornberry/Right. I'm just saying maybe their not that busy, OK. #1, #2 does the money we get from this grant does that go to pay that new additional salary? Grosvenor/First of all are we talking about the FSS Coordinator position? Lehman/Right. Thornberry/Yes. Maggie Grosvenor/And can that person also do some other things? Thornberry/Yes. This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #14 Page 23 Grosvenor/They could if there's time. I'll tell you they won't have time if their doing their job. They won't. It's extremely demanding job. They will be some of the Section 8 certification process probably with the clients that they work with, there will be some overlapping. Thornberry/OK. Norton/Isn't the point... Thornberry/The second part of my question was does the grant money that comes in under this program to go employ, go to pay that person that's. Grosvenor/The FSS coordinator, yes it pays for their salary and their benefits. And that's all. Thornberry/What do you mean "That's all"? Grosvenor/It can't pay, it can't buy a computer, it can't buy a desk, it can't, it's just actual personnel costs. And that's how the grant is constructed. It's a maximum of $45,000 available for the coordinator position. Norton/In some ways if this FSS coordinator were grandly successful they would work themselves out of a job, right, getting people into self sufficiency, right? Grosvenor/Yea, I suppose. Thornberry/Then they wouldn't be very busy. They could work on the other one. Kubby/Thanks Maggie. Thornberry/That' s why I'm considering having only one instead of two employees but if this pays for it by the (can't hear). I know it's two different funds and their paying for all these people, but it's still tax money. It's still tax money that these people are getting paid for. Norton/Yep. Champion/Right. Grosvenor/If we don't get these people, we can't do the grants, we just can't. We'd have to turn the money back. We cannot do anymore than what we're doing fight This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. # 14 Page 24 now, so if we don't get the bodies in there to implement the grants we can't do it. So, it's that simple. Thornberry/I thought we just got through redoing your office to make more room. Grosvenor/We did. But we got 200 additional certificates and vouchers Dean. That's, I mean that' s a lot, that's a lot of work OK. Lehman/Isn't that over a 25 percent increase? Grosvenor/That's a 25 percent of increase in our total budget, total people served. FSS is a separate issue, that's like case management, that's like social work. Your working with people, see them job training, child care, transportation, it's a whole different ball game. You can't put those two together even though they're working with some of the same clientele. Norton/Has somebody been doing some of that though, somebody must have been doing that? Grosvenor/The FSS? Norton/Yea, informally I mean. Grosvenor/We have like 10 people under contract, we're suppose to have 90. Lehman/You know Maggie, I think your, your enthusiasm for this probably influences me more than anything else to think of, something we have to have. Grosvenor/If your concerned about tax dollars FSS is the way to go, let's get them off of assistance, let's help em, so. Lehman/OK. Further discussion. Roll call. (Vanderhoef7/0) Motion carries. This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #16 Page 25 ITEM NO. 16 CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING FUNDING FOR AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE AIRPORT COMMISSION AND HLM DESIGN OF NORTHAMERICA, INC. REGARDING THE RENOVATION OF THE AIRPORT TERMINAL BUILDING. Lehman/(Reads agenda Item #16). Thornberry/Moved to adopt resolution. O'Donnell/Second. Lehman/Moved by Thornberry, seconded by O'Donnell. Discussion. Thornberry/I just think that an elevator going to the second floor of that building for $80,000 just for the elevator is pretty expensive. Vanderhoef/And add on the expensive of installing it, I'm like you are. Lehman/I think that includes installation. Vanderhoef/Are you sure of that? Lehman/Yea, I'm pretty sure of that. Norton/Did we consider the possibility of getting an alternate last night, would that add the cost of this particular contract to get an alternate? Thornberry/$80,000 for an elevator that goes to one floor is dog gone... Champion/a lot of money. That's a lot of money. Thornberry/That's a lot of money. Vanderhoef/For the amount of space that it's opening up up there that was my concern that I was talking about last night. Letmaan/The thing we discussed last night was whether or not we feel that the availability of a public meeting room in the airport facility is a good idea, if it is a good idea then it must be accessible, and the only way it can be accessible is with the addition of an elevator. Now, the question is do we feel that the room, a public meeting room in the airport facility is desirable, and if it's desirable enough are we willing to spend the money to make it accessible. This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #16 Page 26 Thornberry/Well #1, I think the room is desirable. And if your gonna. And it's been 50 years since very much money has been put into that public building, city building, it's sort of out of sight, out of mind where its, it's gotten to the point where we've got to do something or tear the thing down. And I was in favor of tearing it down but the majority of the council would like to, you know thought that it should be renovated. And so I went along with the renovation and still will, but I don't want to renovate half of it, if your gonna renovate it, renovate the whole thing. So, I'm just saying an $80,000 elevator is pretty expensive renovation. Lehman/That's what this motion is. Champion/Dee, could you renovate the second floor without putting in an elevator? I mean, what would the airport use that second floor for if we didn't make it into a meeting room? Thornberry/I don't know, the airport. Lehman/Well, I think we talked about this last night. We, I think the policy of this body and I think correctly so is that we will not make a public meeting room that is not accessible to the public to the handicapped, and without an elevator that room would not be accessible. And that would probably be a kind of bad precedence I think for us to do that in spite of the fact that the elevator is an expensive portion of that building, although I doubt very it's $80,000. Dilkes/I don't think you have discretion if it's going to be accessible to the public to, I mean if it's going to be a public meeting room it has to be accessible. Kubby/Well last night you had mentioned that there might be some lower costs methods for making the upstairs accessible. If it's not worded that way in this agreement, how, or I guess is it worded that way to look at various ways to make it accessible for all kinds of people with disabilities to get up there? Ron O'Neil/We, what were doing now is putting the bid plans and specs together and that's our discretion we direct them want we want. I contacted a couple of elevator companies today, I heard back from one of them, $30,000 was the number that they gave me. I still-- Lehman/There's no basement there is there? O'Neil/There is a partial basement. This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #16 Page 27 Lehman/But the elevator wouldn't necessarily serve that at all. O'Neil/No, they need the, one floor they are they need about a 4 foot (can't hear). Lehman/But there wouldn't be a landing in the basement, so basically there would be 2 landings, first and second floor. O'Neil/That's correct. Lehman/Which is substantially less than going into a full basement where you have another landing. O'Neil/I think there has to be some alternatives. We're not looking at the main means of transportation to go up and down there, so I think if we do something that can meet the requirements for the handicapped accessible, you know, I think that's the route we would go and perhaps we could save some money there and put some money where in other places in the building. Kubby/As long as it's functional for a variety of persons with disabilities. O'Neil/Oh, it would have to meet, certainly it would have to meet for any disability that you would normally need in a public building. Lehman/I think we would appreciate frugality when it comes to doing this project. Vanderhoef/That's why we're now looking at this. Thomberry/When the specs get done and its put out for bid then the contractors that would be bidding on this would try to find hopefully the lowest price they can to make their bid the best they can if they want the job. O'Neil/Oh sure, and we will direct Hansen Lind Meyer to look for alternatives even to suggest and then if a contractor would come up with something that would still work I think that, you know, we hopefully can look a couple steps along the way and see if that, if we can't meet that. Lehman/OK. Champion/Well $30,000 is a lot less than $80,000. Thornberry/It is. Well, the $80,000 was the civic center elevator which is 3 floors. This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #16 Page 28 Vanderhoef/OK, the other thing is that if your talking just to an elevator person that may not have the installation cost on it. And that changes it all again. I'm not real pleased with this as I see it at this point. I will be willing to go along with and took a look at it but I still am requesting that we separate out those costs so when we get this back we can take a look and see what it is for square footage, for that space upstairs and that includes the cost of putting that elevator in because it may be cheaper not to even use that space. O'Neil/Yea, I think there's, I did look that up I believe were talking approximately 800 square feet up there. I mean it's about the size, it's a sizable room but we certainly we can divide that out. Vanderhoef/Yea, the split out is what I'd like to see that how that goes for all of our square footage within the public (can' hear). Champion/I can guarantee you Dee that it will be cheaper not to do it. Always cheaper not to do it. Vanderhoef/No, that is not my question, Connie, my question is as compared to the rest of that renovation of that space and for what we could possibly get in revenue from that space or use of that space whether it's worth it. That's my question. Norton/Yea, your talking cost benefit kind of thing. Vanderhoef/Cost benefit. Norton/But I don't think we agreed last night that it's probably unlikely that your gom~a recover much of the cost by rental fees and things like that, the question is is 800 feet the most you can get out of that second floor? I'm sure they look at maximizing that. O'Neil/Yea, that's pretty much your floor space up there. Norton/So, we have to decide right away if, it depends on what the elevator portion of that is, I guess. I don't see why it couldn't be separate. Lehman/Well I think that that shouldn't be terribly difficult I would think. Let me suggest that perhaps in the early stages of this there may be all kinds of factors that are going to prevent us from not doing, for example, heat, mechanical, electrical, plumbing, the windows themselves. If your going to have to replace the windows in the upper portion of the building, This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #16 Page 29 O'Neil/yes Lehman/you've incurred a substantial amount of investment and I can't see us investing in those windows without finishing the project. In other words, we've done part of it. So I think the architect could probably tell you rather quickly whether not it's feasible to break those two things apart. Could we ask that he do that? O'Neil/Absolutely. It's our, it's in our ballpark in what we want them to do to design that 's part of their job. Lehman/And if they feel or we feel or you feel if somebody feels that the cost per square feet on the 800 square foot on the second floor is really not justified then first floor could be done by (can't hear) by can we kind of leave that way with you and go ahead and authorize the design. O'Neil/Sure. Yea, I think the nuts and bolts of redoing that building the mechanical, the electrical, and whatever your gonna have to do the entire build, the windows, you are going to have to do the entire building, you know that only makes sense to do that. What you've got to that point, the elevator is the major cost but the rest of the upstairs has been cosmetic and that would be a small cost. I think what we're getting down to is it worth putting an elevator in. And that's a cost factor that we can just look at. Lehman/Can you get back to us on that? O'Neil/Sure. Lehman/OK. Further Discussion? Thornberry/Well I just think that if were going to renovate a city building that hasn't been touched for 50 years 1 think we ought to just do the whole thing. Lehman/I suspect that we're going to. We will at least have something to look at. Champion/I agree with Dean. Kubby/On a broader note, this is one of the items the terminal building that is not reimbursable with the 90/10 split with the federal government and that I've been a constant supporter of having, but if the whole airport presence and renovation and the master plan in part is for economic development purposes that I haven't seen the community support to help privately fund even a portion of this, I know we keep saying well yea we'll talk about it and we might get something done but I This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #16 Page 30 haven't seen anything concrete in any kind of private investment any private declaration that this is important for economic development and I think that that's crucial for this. I think it's a great opportunity to have you know, the certain sections of the building upstairs the elevator to be donated by a local business who feels that the airport is an important part of the infrastructure of economic development in the community. And I've not seen that and that's why I consistently I think it's so important and I know that you probably feel that I'm harping on this issue but I think it's really important to clarify that and I won't be willing to vote to spend any money especially on the terminal building unless I see some private support out there for this project. Thornberry/Well Karen, it is a municipal, the airport terminal building is a city owned, wholly city owned building on city property. As is the civic center, we saw the need and voted for the rehabilitation of the entrance to the civic center which included tearing out some planters and putting in other things and I don't know if it looks better than what it did or not but that was a considerable expense and you didn't mention one time that people should participate and give us donations to redo the entrance to the civic center. A lot of money has been spent on this civic center since it was built. Very, very little money has been spent on a municipal building just because it happens to be at the airport it is still a municipal building on city owned property and nothing has been paid, spent on that thing. Very very little has been spent on that over the years. And to request privatization for the upkeep and rehabilitation of a city owned just because it happens to be an airport terminal building I think is wrong. And I think we need to keep up the buildings that we own, as a city, and it's an entryway into the city as are some of the other streets that come into town, Dubuque Street and so on, it happens to be an area that people fly into. But it is an entryway into Iowa City and I'd like it to be as beautiful as some of the other entrances in Iowa City and that building is an eyesore. Kubby/But you know we do have private donations for entrances. Project Green is a private nonprofit that donates time, expertise, and landscaping materials for the entrance, many entrances into our city. The civic center is a building that many many many people come into and out of every day and every week, The airport terminal even when we renovate it and have public meeting space and get more people down there because the science center may be down there and other programs is not going to be the kind of building that is accessible, there's not activities going down there that many many people in the community make. We have lots of public donations for soccer fields, for the Scanlon gymnasium and so this is not an outlandish, radical strange request or philosophy that I'm talking about. And I'm not even talking about privatization, but since you brought it up, I am totally, well I shouldn't say I am very much against privatization in general, This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #16 Page 31 but the airport is one facility that I would be totally for privatization on. So, if there's a move for that I'd work for that one. (Several people speaking.) Norton/But I think it would be appropriate for the commission to consider whether they could do some fundraising. I think the Scanlon was raised, quite a bit of money was raised by due to a particular interest in recreation even though it's public facilities. I don't think it could hurt to ask that. I'm not going to make my vote contingent on that, but I think, or conditional, but I think. Thornberry/By god, if your going to go that far then your going to make Dubuque Street a toll road into Iowa City. Norton/Hey, that's a great idea. Thornberry/You can't do that. (Several people speaking.) Lehman/Ron, would you like to convey to the airport commission that the council look favorably upon any effort that was made on their part to help raise money for the terminal for renovation. O'Neil/Absolutely. Lehman/Well, there may be, well there may very well be folks in the community who would be interested in helping fund part of that renovation. Roll call. (Norton 6/1 ) Motion carries This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #18 Page 32 ITEM NO. 18 CITY COUNCIL INFORMATION Kubby/Your never going to believe this I have nothing your honor. Champion/Oh my God. Lehman/Your right Karen I don't. Champion/Well I got to thinking about what Dee talked about last night and that is trying to work more with people who are asked to help us make decisions and they feel like they haven't been listened to. And I don't know why this stuck in my mind but is it possible at all what I was thinking of was the First Avenue extension and the business with going by Hickory Hill Park. Maybe it's not helpful but maybe the Parks and Recreation Commission and since a lot of them are here tonight could maybe do a little study on the impact at that road would have on that park so we would have something to base our decisions on instead of just this emotionalism that you get from people who want First Avenue and people who don't want First Avenue. Is that a possibility or is that even worthwhile? Lehman/Connie, I'd rather suspect that the Parks and Recreation Commission and staff has looked at the impact on that park. I think that was probably part of their recommendation to start with when it comes to buffering and all of the kinds of things that their recommending that we do. I can't believe that we would make a recommendation to put a road in without looking at the impact it has on surrounding neighborhoods. Now, neighbors don't have to agree with that recommendation. Champion/Right, I understand that. Lehman/But I have to believe that we have done that. Champion/Well there are a few guys .... Norton/Well I know for a fact that they have done some talking because the concept of buffering the park was in the hopper and there are different ways in the two plans that are in front of us, they are slightly different ways and how you fund those, how much they cost, both of them made efforts to do that. I think that's for sure. But I want to say in response to your thing Connie, when you look at the two plans we have to be sure that we are open to looking at other suggestions too, we don't have the keys to the kingdom, it's our. But we'll look at two plans and see whether, how they work. This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #18 Page 33 Champion/Right. Norton/But their gonna have to also be willing to give some places and I think that's what I was urging last night that we look at those, we're all in this hopper together. It's not, everybody is interested in whole town, it surely is not going to be broken up into little segments but we all have to look at it, I'm asking people that are on the outside, not here to do that, and we've got to do the same. Lehman/Well I think we're also going to have the benefit of the Planning and Zoning discussion which will take place Thursday night, I believe. Anything else Connie? Champion/No, I was just wondering about that. O'Donnell/Karen shocked me so much by not saying anything I forgot what I was going to say, so I have nothing to say. Lehman/All right. Dean. Thornberry/I've been driving around town observing the lights and the decorations and the houses. Lehman/Are you cutting through anywhere? Thornberry/I'm cutting through a few places only because I can't get there in a more directly so. But if you get a chance to go by Connie Champion's house on Summit Street do that. That's beautiful. Kubby/There's some lights. Lehman/But don't take Kirkwood to get there, right. Thornberry/You can take a lot of different streets, it is, but everybody should congregate on Summit Street, and use the bridge while you still can. But take a look at the Champion house it's beautiful... Champion/Thank you. I'm really embarrassed. Thornberry/and even the back yard has been fixed up and it's just, I tell you what there's some nice looking, I know people have made a lot of effort and put forth a lot of This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #18 Page 34 effort and madetheirplacesjustreally really pretty and some veryunique ones, veryunique. Norton/You come by and see the Santa hats on my lions. Thomberry: I've seen those Santa hats. Lehman/Your turn' s coming. Thornberry/There' s a lot of places, take the time and go out and look at some of the effort that' s been put out around town. Thank you. O'Donnell/Beautiful lights. Vanderhoef/I'll keep it fairly short. But I have one thing that I'd like to bring forth for consideration in the not too distant future. The last couple years I've been working on the energy and enviromnent natural areas of policy committees in the National League of Cities. And as I've listened and talked to a lot more people I'm convinced that it's time for us to start looking at our storm water management in this city and I recognize that our staff has been working on this now for some time and I would like to see us move forward in this next year. There are cities already in Iowa, Ames and Boone in particular that I have talked with, with their mayors and they have a storm sewer utility at this point in time which our state law allows us to do. And I would like to start conversations about the pros and cons of whether that might be appropriate for our city. In the past I recognize that been critical of previous councils in not getting up and moving forward when we needed to have our water plant increased capacity and our sewer plants and this time I like to see this council pro and be up there and moving and looking at these kinds of things and this is not new to Steve I've been talking with him for some time and I don't mean to rush staff but, I would like to see ifthere's other people on this council that are interested in starting this conversation. Kubby/Well they're on our pending list, what at this point what is staff schedule for bringing this to us? Steve Atkins/We have an EPA permitting process, remember you all gasp when we-- Lehman/Well it's in the CIP. Vanderhoef/That part is. Steve Atkins/He's correct. The project is, the question is, once you've gone through the permitting process I would suspect your opening a whole new world of capital This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #18 Page 35 improvements for which we don't have a formal funding mechanism other than our traditional general obligation debt or general fund. Of those of which we try to jealousy guard. Dee is correct that the state now permits a storm water utility. There are a couple cities that have tried it in fact a number of years ago we talked about adding 1% percent to our utility bills, council then rejected it. In order to accumulate cash to do some of these projects. I don't think there's any doubt that your going to be seeing this thing within the year for sure, as we've got to figure out some way to pay for these things. Kubby/Yea, we have got from our experience at the water plant, we have got to accumulate cash. Vanderhoef/Well and this is some of the things I have talked to people. 'Ames, for instance puts a $1.00 storm water utility charge on every utility bill and accumulating cash in that fashion. Now that's just one example, what we do will be whatever we come up with but I'd like to start the conversation soon to accumulate cash. Kubby/Yea, I agree about the accumulating cash because the decision to accumulate that 20% percent cash for the water plant was a very painful one. I think it was good policy, a painful policy to implement and still feeling the effects of that, but I think it was in the best interests of people to do that because we couldn't get 4 votes from previous councils to accumulate cash. There's a philosophy that we shouldn't accumulate it because we don't need it yet, we should let people have that $1.00 now so they can do with it what they will but it costs us really bad problems so I'm with you on that. Atkins/I can almost assure you'll be dealing with sooner than later. Norton/Well, we're obliged to deal with it by certain years we've got certain aspects that I think the question of getting a handle on what were looking at in terms of ultimate monies for a storm water treatment process and that means a storm water management fee that have to be a part of the action and that's got to be started sooner than later. Kubby/But it may be that we don't have the specifics of the plan before we start accumulating cash which is difficult to do. But is there any legal problem with us having some kind of surcharge to accumulate cash so that when we do have a plan we can implement it? Eleanor Dilkes/I don't know I'd have to look at it. This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #18 Page 36 Kubby/Because that might be part of our budget discussion. Atkins/I don't believe there is Eleanor. Norton/In our sales tax. Vanderhoef/But that's what I'm looking at as the possibility of accumulating that cash because we know what it's gonna do to do our mapping, that we've been talking about with the budget and that's a big part of it and of course the minute the mapping is done why then we will see where we have cross connects and those kinds of things that are. Kubby/Let's bring this up during our budget talks. Thomberry/Yea, I'm not real excited about adding another $1.00 onto the utility bills just because of what might happen later on. Kubby/No, we know it's going to cost us money. Thornberry/I understand that I don't want to raise the utility bills at this point. Lehman/We'll have a storm water contingency plan. OK. Norton/Yea. Thornberry/Yea. Norton/I just have one quick note. Mike and I met with Chief Winkelhake this week and or last week and will be meeting further to talk a little bit more about in more some more detail about how we might go about this matter of security issues downtown. He mentioned it a number of times that he said he had information from several other communities and would put together some numbers and talking about what kind of personnel whether they be community service officers but at least were making a little progress to get the plan together, get a proposal together, right. We'll hear more about it the first of the year. Lehman/Good. Champion/Good. Lehman/Two things, first of all this coming Saturday at 11:00 there's going to be a dedication at Terrill Mill Park of a memorial to Irving Weber. And anybody who This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #18 Page 37 knew Irving or has heard about him I think has nothing but the greatest respect for the gentleman, probably the greatest historian Iowa City's ever had, and probably ever will have and I will be attending that on behalf of the city. The second thing I would like to wish all of our council folks, a very very happy holidays. Steve, you and your entire staff at the city, even though we don't like to think about it it's only the 15th but this is the last meeting this year. We won't get together again until next year. It's great year and council I personally appreciate very much the way we've worked this year looking forward to next year so happy holidays you all and a happy new year. Steve. This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #19 Page 38 19. REPORT ON ITEMS FROM THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY. Dale Helling/How did you know? Steve Atkins/Not a thing sir. Lehman/Dale has something. Lehman/Because you told me, or I told you. One or the other. Helling/I told you earlier. (can't hear) Your first meeting next year is January 12 and that's, that particular night we have two cub scout dens, fourth graders from Regina who would like to come in about 45 minutes before the minute, learn about city government about what city council does, their gonna sit in here and talk to them for a while and then their going to sit in on the first part of the meeting and kind of see folks in action. Well I've told them that we will have some staff here and also the Mayor's agreed to be here so if anybody else would like to join him I have no idea if we need to limit it to 3 people? Norton/Is that (can't hear) Lehman/I think it should be a lot of fun. Norton/Just a regular session? Kubby/Yea. Helling/Yea this is a regular meeting. Lehman/Only those who would like to be here but I think it would be a lot of fun. Vanderhoef/Oh, I think it would too. Norton/But if there's too many .... (can't hear) Thornberry/Marian will be here. Norton/Not a meeting it's a social occasion isn't it? Lehman/Visit with the young folks. Helling/Anyway, just let us know somehow whose gonna be here and then we'll work it out. This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998. #19 Page 39 Lehman/All right, we'll let you know. Eleanor, do you have anything for us? Eleanor Dilkes/No sir. Lehman/Do I hear a motion to adjourn. Moved by Kubby, seconded by Norton. Vanderhoef/Happy Holidays to all the citizens (all ayes) Lehman/Meeting is adjourned 8:20 PM. This presents only a reasonably accurate transcriptions of the Iowa City council meeting of December 15, 1998.