HomeMy WebLinkAbout1999-06-28 TranscriptionJune 28, 1999 Council Work Session Page 1
June 28, 1999 Council Work Session 6:55 PM
Council: Lehman, Champion, Kubby, Norton, O'Donnell, Thornberry, Vanderhoef
Staff: Atkins, Holecek, Ripley, Davidson, Franklin, Trueblood, Fowler, Karr, Yapp,
Rockwell, Schmadeke, Miklo
Tapes: 99-70 Both; 99-72 Both
A complete transcription is available in the City Clerk's office.
Planning & Zoning 99-70 S1
Karin Franklin/OK. First three items to are to set public heating.
a. Consider a motion setting a public hearing for July 13 on an ordinance
amending Title 14, Chapter 6, Zoning, by adding a definition of "adult business"
and changing separation requirements between adult businesses and other uses.
Franklin/For July 13 the first one is the amendment is to define adult businesses and
change the separational requirements between adult businesses and other uses.
Norton/Do we have anything on that, have we had anything in writing about that?
Franklin/No you will before the public heating. The second one you might want to have
a chance to study.
(All talking).
Norton/(can't hear) No I'm just curious (can't hear).
Thomberry/(Can't hear).
Norton/(can't hear) adult businesses.
Lehman/(can't hear). Rated R.
Franklin/OK.
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Consider a motion setting a public hearing for July 13 on an ordinance
amending Title 14, Chapter 6, Zoning to allow off-street parking on a separate
lot in a different zone under certain conditions.
Franklin/The second item is a public heating is off-street parking on a separate lot. This
is the Oaknoll issue.
Lehman/OK.
Consider a motion setting a public hearing for July 13 on an ordinance
conditionally changing the zoning designation of approximately .33 of an acre
from Medium Density Single-family (RS-8) to Community Commercial (CC-2)
for property located on the west side of Gilbert Court north of Benton Street.
(REZ99-0010)
Franklin/The third one is a rezoning of property to extend the parking area for Kennedy
Plaza on Gilbert Court.
Kubby/That to me is a very odd duck.
Norton/Can't find it even.
Kubby/Cause the house that was there which is kind of crazy you have to cross railroad
tracks to get into your drive.
Franklin/Yea.
Kubby/Is odd so maybe this is an improvement I don't know there's a hill so I mean
does it meet all of our zoning requirements.
Franklin/We have, we have a site plan and I'll have to look at it before you know our
meeting in a couple weeks.
Kubby/You can do that.
Franklin/Yea yea.
Norton/The picture.
Franklin/Yea, but I mean this is approval of the rezoning and I don't believe that the
rezoning is contingent upon the site plan approval but I know what your talking
about there' s a ravine (can't hear) a big dip.
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Kubby/Yea and there's residential property there and so I don't recall reading anything
about any kind of buffer being required but that could be on the site plan.
Franklin/Well this is also an area that's shown on the comprehensive plan to become
commercial. It is a transition area definitely. I mean it's one that we've kind of
puzzled over for some time in terms of how to make that transition between
Gilbert Street and the residential neighborhood that is really to the east of the
railroad tracks. So we'll have a bit of discussion about that.
do
Conditionally changing the zoning designation of approximately 7..46 acres from
Medium Density Single-Family residential (RS-8) to Planned Development
Housing Overlay (OPDH-8) and the approval of preliminary OPDH Plan for 72
residential dwelling units within the Windsor Ridge subdivision located at the
east terminus of Court Street.
Franklin/Item D is the continued public hearing and first consideration on Windsor
Ridge. My understanding is potentially will be, you will be requested to defer this
by the developer. But I have not received anything formal in writing so I've
notified him that I need something by tomorrow night. We'll see, if we receive
nothing then you go forward with the 72 unit condominiums.
Lehman/The public hearing and we told him if we close it we also told him we would
vote on it tomorrow night. So in the absence of a request on contrary we will
proceed the way we said we would.
Franklin/Yes.
Lehman/All right.
Kubby/Does that mean he 's thinking of making some changes?
Franklin/Yes.
Norton/That is not a super majority really.
Lehman/No.
Franklin/No. No.
e. Adopting and incorporating the Northeast District Plan into the Iowa City
Comprehensive Plan.
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Franklin/Item E is adopting and incorporating the Noaheast District Plan into the Iowa
City Comp. Plan continued public hearing many times. And a resolution then to
approve. You have received a memorandum with the suggestions of the changes
of the changes in the text. We didn't redo the whole text just for these changes.
Are we on track here?
Lehman/I don't know. Where are we on this?
Thornberry/I'm not going to (can't hear).
Lehman/Well of what?
Kubby/(can't hear).
Lehman/Well if we're going to finish the public hearing.
Thomberry/I'll tell you tomorrow why (can't hear).
Lehman/OK. Well is there something that we should be talking about that you would
like to see changed that would change your mind?
Thornberry/I (can't hear). I don't think it's needed and I don't think it's necessary and I
think it's too much, and I think there's too many restriction on there that city
developed by private enterprise. And I think that the Planning Department is just
putting unrealistic expectations on any developer in the area. So I'm not going to
vote.
Franklin/This was a plan developed by some citizens in this community Dean not just
the Planning Depaament.
Thomberry/(can't hear) involved there.
Franklin/OK. Yes (can't hear).
Norton/As far I saw work plan and I think that got a hold of Scott I guess we'd circulated
it the last meeting was it Scott circulated the memo that Scott had identified some
of the points from the comp. plan that spoke to the basis that was the background
of the way for this paaicular plan and I thought it was well said. I was a little
curious if your changes you gave cul de sacs kind of a blessing just simply that
now their a component with many standard plans is that right?
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Franklin/Yes we were asked to describe what conventional design is and that' s what we
did. Is there something in what we did that is appropriate?
Vanderhoef/What you have gone forward with is fine. I'm still look at your memo and
the new section on page 11 under the conventional, let's see, oh the comment with
little or no public space provided. I think historically that was true until such time
as we had the neighborhood open space I don't think that's necessarily true
anymore, and I would question putting it in there.
Norton/Well. But the other space (can't hear).
Franklin/For here in Iowa City?
Vanderhoef/Yea, and so yes in these even if they are large lot individual homes their still
is the requirement for every subdivision to give their fair share of land for public
purposes.
Franklin/OK.
Kubby/...two things, sometimes there's fee in lieu of...
Vanderhoef/True.
Kubby/So there may not be (can't hear) so it may need to be worded differently because
sometimes there is and the amount of open space in both conservation
neighborhood design and neo-traditional tends to be much more than or dictated.
(All talking).
Norton/A little organized. It's organized differently.
Vanderhoef/And the money in lieu of land though Karen because of the rational nexus
that must go with those dollars go in that pot to purchase land in that area if you
don't want it at that specific site so that's the reason you have money in lieu of
land and that money can always be (can't hear).
Franklin/These were intended to be generic descriptions of these different types of
design not necessarily what's in Iowa City but I don't know that there's a big
issue with that in terms of taking that clause out that it will be, that it's going to be
influential one way or another. I'm not sure that it's worth having a lot of debate
about. I mean that we could just take it out if it's bothersome.
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Norton/Does it bother you enough Dee?
Vanderhoef/I just as soon have it out.
Norton/In other words there' s no you can't guarantee that either plan leads to more open
space. It maybe differently organized some of the open space and the
conventional might be (can't hear) in depth of the individual lots and so rather
than.
Vanderhoef/No that' s not public space though.
Norton/No but I'm saying open space.
Vanderhoef/That doesn't satisfy me at all, that doesn't count sorry about that.
Norton/But there not counting that.
Vanderhoef/No.
Franklin/So should we just delete that clause?
Lehman/All fight.
Kubby/That's fine. What do you think Connie?
Champion/Well I think it should be left in there but reword it. Because most of the
property that we're going to commit to development is incorporated into private
ownership.
Franklin/Yea, I mean generally speaking that's that' s true I mean it was a matter of when
you contrast it with traditional neighborhood design or with conservation design
traditional neighborhood design having a focal point with public space and
conservation design having natural open spaces is one the key elements in those
two different kinds of design. The open space public open space is not a key
element of conventional subdivision design as it's typically done.
Champion/You need to say that. You need to say it that way.
Franklin/That it is not a key element?
Vanderhoef/And then explain how that is different in Iowa City specifically.
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Champion/(can't hear).
Vanderhoef/Yea if you are putting your comment in as genetic then put in the additional
comment that recognizes special things that (can't hear).
Franklin/OK so if we say something like public open space is not a key element in
conventional subdivision design, however, in Iowa City due to our neighborhood
open space ordinance open space is required even with conventional subdivisions.
Norton/Right.
Champion/Or (can't hear).
Norton/Right. Right.
Franklin/Yea.
Vanderhoef/That satisfies them both.
Norton/In either case yea.
Champion/(can't hear) I like it.
Lehman/Is there others?
Kubby/Again we lose the context here that is part of the comp. plan they have to and in
the beginning it's going to say you have to follow all our codes and so that's true
the open space plan is true there's a conservation neighborhood design, traditional
design, and conventional design. All those things go into play. I feel like we're
making caveats on every sentence and I mean I don't really if it makes you feel
more comfortable I don't object to it but (can't hear).
Lehman/Other comments?
Vanderhoef/I guess I reread the comment about alleys and your comment is absolutely
correct.
Franklin/Which I'm sorry oh alleys.
Vanderhoef/On alleys, that is correct. What it doesn't recognize is that the opposite of
that is that there is more paving in the rear and more paving in the designed area
when you exclude your density transfer.
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