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April 25, 2000 Council Work Session 7:30 AM
Council: Lehman, Champion, O'Donnell, Vanderhoef, Kanner, Wilbum (Pfab Absent)
Staff: Atkins, Helling, Karr, Franklin, Davidson, Winkelhake
School Board Staff: Lane Plugge, Jerry Palmer
School Board: Pete Wallace, Don Jackson, Lauren Reece, Dale Schultz
Tapes: 00-50, Both Sides
Zoning Applicability to School Districts
Lehman/Let's start by introducing ourselves, I'm Ernie Lehman, Iowa City's Mayor,
Mike O'Donnell, Iowa City, Connie Champion, Ross Wilburn, Don Jackson, Pete
Wallace, Steven Kanner, Dee Vanderhoef.
Lehman/We have a short agenda, hopefully this won't take a lot of time this morning..
One of the things that, I know that it's going to be amazing to everybody, but
when the (can't hear) lights that were apparently put around City High School as I
recall, and there were some comments and there were some comments from the
public.
Wallace/You're just dragging this out (can't hear) aren't you?
Lehman/Well we could.
Wallace/Never heard this before.
Lehman/Would you like a staff person to bring you up to date? In any bet, there was
some comment made by the public as to whether or not the zoning laws of Iowa
City apply to the public school system and at this point in time they don't and
there is apparently some evidence that it would be possible for the City to pass
zoning ordinances that would require the schools to comply with city zoning
ordinance as they relate to parking, traffic and all those sorts of things. At first, I
talked to Karin Franklin about this oh I don't know Karin a couple three months
ago or more. I don't think there are very many things that in fact probably almost
nobody from the school district does that wouldn't comply with our zoning
regulations and with the permission of the school board I would like for if there's
any interest in having your staff goals work with our staff goals, see what affect
would actually be if you did comply with our zoning and if you find that those
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regulations are not cumbersome, their not (can't hear) and I don't think you will
find they are but if you would voluntarily adopt our zoning regulations I think
from a PR standpoint it would be much much better than for us to decide that we
want to go through the process of making, getting that corrected. But making
zoning ordinances have to go through Planning & Zoning and all that sort of
thing. And that's strictly, I think it's best for the community if you'd look at it,
and there may be things that you don't think you want.
Pete Wallace/A couple questions Ernie that brings up, number 1, we're assuming that
this would not be retroactive?
Lehman/Oh I think you have to always assume whatever is there is there, I think it's
grandfathered in. That's opinion, so don't (can't hear).
Wallace/No I would assume that too but it needs to be made clear. The other question, I
want information does the City particularly the recreational areas and the
University and their recreational areas also conform to the public zoning P-zone?
Champion/Good question.
Lehman/Karin Franklin will respond to that.
Karin Franklin/Well it's easy to comply with public zone because basically the P-zone
says it's publicly owned property and it's not subject to zoning, the other zoning
requirements. Zoning applies to private property and the University, the school
district, City, County are all zoned P for public which means that those properties
do not comply with these specific requirements. In a lot of other communities in
Iowa schools are dealt with as any other type of use, they are not designated as
any particular kind of public use and so they are subject to the zoning
requirements of the zoning which they're located, sometimes there are special
standards. It's usually a site plan review which is basically just looking at the
layout, the parking, lighting, screening, all those kinds of attributes when a facility
is going to be built or expanded.
Lehman/We comply though ourselves don't we you know (can't hear) with our own
zoning. I mean we try to as I remember.
Franklind We try to, we try to, yes. I think the principle there is that the cities or the
County, or any governmental entity is working in the public interest and
sometimes there are some overriding issues that don't allow to comply but
practically speaking it's very difficult to explain that to the private sector and so
we do try in almost every instance to comply with whatever the private sector
would have to comply with.
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Lauren Reece/Do you know how it came to be that Iowa City differs from these other
major cities in Iowa in terms of zoning?
Franklin/It was in this concept of the public zone, what we wanted to do when we
adopted that was to set apart these properties to say that these are publicly owned,
there's a certain stability about them then, one thing zoning does is it enables
someone who is acquiring property to know generally what will be going on
around them and to know too that there can be different ownership over time.
When it's zoned P that means it's owned by a public by a governmental entity and
so therefore there's more stability in terms of that ownership but it also tells
someone that there are different rules that apply there than any other property.
Reece/So why now, why do you want to make the change now?
Lehman/I don't know that it's going to represent much change. We had a request from
the public and I think it's because we try to comply with our own regulations and
sometimes we do it at substantial expense to ourselves. And I would think that
the school board might also be interested in, I don't think most of those
regulations are terribly (can't hear) and I think from a PR standpoint it probably is
a good move. I, well I don't know, we really never debated it, I prefer not to do it
if we don't have to here.
Franklin/I think submissions have changed over time to when the whole concept of
zoning first came to being and schools were at for that matter (can't hear)
institutions were accepted in neighborhoods, they were in a much smaller scale
than they are today and high schools particularly, the level of activity both with
the athletic events and with practically all the students driving make it a very
different kind of land use that was when it was first admissioned to have schools
in all the different neighborhoods and it is the high schools versus the elementary
schools that really become more of an issue over the elementary schools are also
becoming community centers so it's kind of something that's evolving as far as
schools are concerned too.
O'Donnell/What would be a couple of days largest things affected, like signing?
Franklin/I think, no, I think it's parking, obviously lights and noise from activities, that's
the hardest one to control or to have any kind of modification of to make it fit in.
Lehman/There would have to be an exception of that athletic activity (can't hear).
(All talking)
Lehman/And all that, I mean that.
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man/(Can't hear).
Franklin/But those are the points, the most frequent points of conflict are those three
things.
O'Donnell/But other areas we require certain permits for banner signage, would be doing
the same thing in a (can't hear)?
Franklin/I guess I would suggest that if we were going to have either an understanding or
any kind ofregulatory mechanism that we look at schools specifically, the kinds
of activities that schools have and they set regulations (can't hear) schools.
Lehman/But like banner signs there the same regulations for the city because their public
and we put up banner signs and there's no problem, (can't hear) neither of them
would be regulated by the same regulations as private.
O'Donnell/But a Friday night football game if they can go (can't hear).
Champion/(Can't hear).
O'Donnell/And how do we (can't hear)? That's the point I want to make.
Lehman/No, no, I think primarily we'd be talking about (can't hear) and expanded, I
think parking is probably is the largest single issue (can't hear) right now and
certainly was 5-6 years ago before the lot got built at City High.
Jackson/I don't understand the point though, I mean it's like there's no review process
really really today.
Lehman/No.
Jackson/And what your, I mean what we would be suggesting is that in the future that
there be some kind of at least (can't hear).
Lehman/Well we visit with the staff, I mean, and you know.
Jerry Palmer/That' s not totally true there is a review process because when our site plan.
Lehman/Jerry you need to talk up at the table so we can record it.
Palmer/When our site plans are approved for example we follow the planting of the trees,
for barriers for parking lots, the number of trees that are required and green spaces
within the parking lot or (can't hear) the berms and that type of thing and so those
are reviewed by (can't hear). I mean we have to follow the guidelines for, when
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we did the parking lot at City High we had to follow the stringing procedure at
City High.
Franklin/But they don't follow our tree regulations for parking lots.
Palmer/At Weber School we did.
Franklin/Did you?
Palmer/Yea, we that was reviewed, we had to put in, we put in more than the number
that was required but we specifically were required to put in so many under
contract because of City regulations.
???man/That's interesting.
Lehman/Well what I'd like to if there's any interest at least have.
Wallace/I don't have any.
Lehman/Your staff and our staff give you folks what the implications would be, I don't
think we're asking for an answer.
Wallace/No I don't have any problem with that Ernie, it's worth looking at. I think
before, it would be my opinion, before we would want to jump on this we would
want to give consideration to whether Regina and the University of Iowa ought to
be included in the, at least the discussion of this so that it appears equitable
throughout towns that you already conform to your extra public zoning
restrictions should (can't hear) everybody, or should it only be our school district
or should it only be the two school districts? I don't know that.
Lehman/I'm saying I hear you but I think there would be real problems trying (can't
hear) to control the state (can't hear). (can't hear) very very good neighbors (can't
hear).
Wallace/No and that's true but again for the PR situation not that their, well they have
tennis lights I guess. Not that they haven't, not that they wouldn't but for a PR
that yes we are a neighbor, yes we're a community member worth looking at. But
I, what do you guys think about having?
Lehman/Well if the staffs could just visit with each other and find out what the
implications would be and then appraise an interest we'll proceed from there.
Jackson/I mean I'd be clearly interested in understanding what the gaps are relative if,
for useful knowledge.
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Lehman/I don't think there are any.
Vanderhoef/I think Pete has a good point though because we have private schools in
varying sizes around the City and.
Franklin/Private schools are required to get special exceptions before they locate, they
are required to go through complete review process.
Lehman/Because they are a public entity, (can't hear).
Kanner/What about religious institutions, is Regina part of a religious institution?
Lehman/(can't hear).
Franklin/It is part of a religious institution consider private use and is also required to get
special exceptions go through the board of adjustments, as well as have site
review.
Kanner/So schools and the government entity (can't hear) public (can't hear).
Wallace/I learned something this moming.
Lehman/OK well we'll proceed with that.
Tennis Lights
Lehman/Number two is Tennis Lights. I guess we're, what is the status?
Reece/Well tonight we are scheduled to take a vote amongst board members as to
whether we want at this point to have a hearing, have a formal heating from
people from Dunlap Court. As to whether or not the district has violated out of.
So we have to vote on it tonight and we think that our policies have been violated
in this instance and if we get three votes affirmative then we have a heating, if
you can believe it, and then if we don't get three votes, we do not have a hearing
and it's back in Dr. Plugge's lap and those two groups fight it out from there or
work it out.
Lehman/What is the, what do you hope to resolve at a the hearing?
Reece/I thirtk that their group feels that there's more that they need to tell us about
process and we developed and how they feel their rights were violated and how
people were violated. I mean they want, you know they want the lights taken
down.
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Wallace/They made a proposal which was not totally accepted and was compromised on
and I think they want to go back to the original proposal and the only way they
seem to do this is to show that in some way we violated policy and want us to
reconsider.
Lehman/OK.
O'Donnell/How are the lights handled presently?
Lehman/Lane you want to go through all that?
Lane Plugge/We have, there's a timing device on them that allows them to come on at
8:00 and turn off at 10:00. Those also before the timing devices inside is, we still
have to turn them on/off switch at the boards so if it's cold weather, raining,
nobody shows up, they still won't come on. You can't turn them on at 7:00 or
10:00 because of the timing device. They go on and begin the season (can't hear)
and would turn off according to our contract at the end of October. One of the
things that I propose pending the outcome of this hearing business is to turn them
off at the end of September and I don't think that will be a problem but it would
have to change our contract with the city because it says now until the end of
October. The proposal from the neighbors was to turn the lights off at 8:30 and
then not use the lights again after our tennis season is over which is probably
about what June, probably before June that tennis season would be over before
that so.
Lehman/They would not leave the lights all summer?
Plugge/No, that was that their proposal and that's when I made the change to turn them
off a month early so which was I think about a fourth, I think a 14 percent
reduction in the amount of time that they could be on.
O'Donnell/So presently if your not, if the court is not being used there' s a switch that the
lights go off?.
Plugge/Yes, you turn off. Yea, if nobody comes, they have to be turned on, you can't
turn the lights on until after the time or opens that window of opportunity between
8 and 10.
Lehman/OK but they also want it automatic?
man/No.
Reece/Players turn them on.
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man/Yes it's a switch on and off.
Reece/And is that open that is the end timing device that (can't hear)?
Plugge/I think we could even get it more sophisticated than that so that I that's one that' s
been in place and I don't think they understand that that is in place, I know I
talked to Terry and he said there may be even a more sophisticated one but I
would think this would be a fairly workable solution at this point.
Kanner/Were these lights up last summer and did we get a count of approximately how
many people are using them between 8 and 107
Plugge/Well I don't have that information Steven, I know they are heavily used.
Schultz/We asked last time this came up, apparently they are used by some people but
we don't know the count.
man/There supposedly some of the best sports in town, I mean for playing surface and
the lighting is probably the best.
man/They're very evenly located.
Wallace/Yes and we thought we'd advertise this and try to get as much.
Reece/And does the switch turn on all the lights? Is there any way to?
Plugge/Yes, you can't turn off just, as their lit if you've been up there, it's parameter
around all the courts so you can't turn on one at a time.
O'Donnell/And then parking, the parking lights that (can't hear).
Plugge/Yes we have tum two of them that are separate. There was an issue as using the
tennis as lighting our parking lot and it, there are two poles that are turned and
they light the parking lot that in tennis (can't hear).
O'Donnell/And those are separate pieces? OK good.
Lehman/Well obviously I guess the City has some sort of interest if the lights are not
used, I mean if you tum them on all Spring and they can't be used in the Summer
obviously that's (can't hear) variation of what Parks and Recreation (can't hear).
But I guess were going to wait and to see what happens at your.
Wallace/Yea give us tonight and we will go from there and see what happens I mean.
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Lehman/I mean obviously the ball is in your court.
Wallace/Well I mean I'm looking forward to a precedent, you know for 20 years I lived
next to the City High tennis courts and lights and the noise and we were bothered
every night but I didn't think to do anything about it so now if this passes I get a
hold of Mr. Olick and go forward.
Lehman/I think your grandfathered in though.
O'Donnell/At least once.
Lehman/All right, well we'll just keep up with what's happening there, we obviously get
some comments over the last couple years but I'm glad it's your jurisdiction.
DARE Program
Lehman/Steven I think had some interest in discussing that Steve.
Kanner/Well most of you have probably seen the Long Beach study I think that came out
that said the DARE program is effective. I found numerous studies that showed
that it's not an effective and so I was wondering what the school had found out
with their internal studies, I know teachers tend to like programs where there' s
someone coming in and presenting something but I think there might be some
better programs out there that might be better use of money and so I throw that
out to the group to see ifthere's any discussion on that if we can look at some
other things. I passed this out to the City Council before, this is a little bit of
information on two studies that show the ineffectiveness of the DARE program
plus some other possible studies. I'll pass it around again if you want to take one.
Lehman/I guess I'm interested in what the school board, how the school board feels and
I'm also interested in how (can't hear) so whoever would like to start, I think I did
see a letter from you Lane indicating I felt for the program so if you just would
take it from there. I mean if you would like to speak to it first I'd appreciate that.
Lane why don't you just sit down here, we've got extra space anyway.
Plugge/The DARE program as you look at some of the studies there have been
conflicting studies that's to be in affect in itself and I've got some personal biases
as to maybe why it's effective and why it's not. I think that, and that also leads
into the next issue Number 5.
Lehman/Fine we'll take them together.
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Plugge/There, if you look at what our kids are exposed to education wise, the education
is overwhelming toward use of tobacco, use of alcohol so I think we're almost
fighting a rising tide of education and media and so I think it's tough to have any
program be totally effective. The real benefits we see from the DARE program
and quite frankly that I even out weight the education portion or drug and alcohol
is the presence of the officer in the classroom. The relationship that you can
build, I know I've only been here nine months but in the former community I
worked in that relationship had gone on a number of years with an officer that I
found to be from my standpoint I don't know about the law enforcement but very
helpful to the schools, especially the principal, someone that they could even call
and talk to that they had a relationship with so and working with kids. I've even
seen that the DARE program that even if we didn't do the DARE I would say that
it would be, I would miss that relationship and that's what I hear from our
principals and we allow principals and teachers to make the decision whether they
implement the program as well.
Lehman/Is it used in all your schools?
Plugge/I think we're probably in just about elementary school now, I don't think we're
not.
Winkelhake/I believe Weber is not going to have it this year. And maybe one other but
that's all that I know of.
Plugge/And probably the reason they would not would be time, the time that it takes to
institute it because as Steve said it does take some time away because the officer
comes in and does some instruction so. Although the teacher is there in the
classroom as well.
Vanderhoef/Are there any other good programs out there that you are interested in other
than the DARE program?
Plugge/You mean.
Vanderhoef/I'm presuming that there will be some sort of a program so the implication
would be if the DARE program were not there what program might be there?
Winkelhake/Well it would depend on what the purpose would be Dee and it's that
relationship with the law enforcement or it's drug and alcohol programs, that's
part of our health program but you have to understand also that help in school
curriculum is a very small slice of that time and that curriculum so we would do
something as well in that program but my fear would be losing it. That's
personally, I see that as a greatest (can't hear) is that relationship. But I certainly
understand that your resources are stretched as well.
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Plugge/I don't know if it's true, the law enforcement believes that it's also an advantage
to have that relationship with children so.
Vanderhoef/I don't disagree with that, I think it comes around, I've been on Council now
a little over four years and it has come around at different times and it usually
comes around at budget time and we're looking at the number of officers that we
have and then the educational materials and the dollars of course. And so forth
what we've put in there so maybe this is a time to talk about a collaborative effort
with the school district rather than the City totally funding themselves.
Lehman/What does the law enforcement community think of it?
Winkelhake/When you take a look at the DARE program particularly here in Iowa City,
you have to remember we're doing it either in the 5th or 6th grade, we do it one
time. DARE programs across the country is a lot more than that so we're doing a
very small slice of the total program. We take a look at the DARE program too
here and try to evaluate it. You have to take a look at the other things that the
school does to help the program because we do just a very small part of it. I think
one of the things that we see from the DARE program is building a relationship
with the schools in other areas as well, we have safety village, which kind of came
out from the DARE program and we have a number of people who take part in
that in the course of the year. The other thing that you see is that I think it is
easier for somebody to know who that officer is and be able to call him for
various reasons and I think that is a relationship that's been growing because we
do have other officers that we're able to involve in meeting with principals and
working on different plans that aren't necessary for the school. We have one that
we've been on working what about 6 months now, that will be coming up as a, it
started out as a training exercise for us and it's come into a program for school
safety, so there' s a lot of things that have happened. But the DARE program
itself, from our standpoint I think is a good program, we've always been under
the, well we've always worked under the idea that if the school district has
something better that they want to do, fine, do it. The main thing is that we're
able to bring some sort of program for the kids and I don't know what' s the best
program, it's certainly not a feel that I have any knowledge at. But if there is a
better program, fine, I don't have a problem doing it, if this is something that' s
worthwhile for the school I think we certainly have to do it. The other parts,
some people said that the public relations for the school. What is it that we do
that isn't? I mean everything we do has an impact there, and I think anything we
can be involved in, whatever reasons that can put a police officer in a positive
image with the children is certainly a plus and it is a plus in my mind.
Wilburn/I was kind of glancing through this information and coincidentally I used to be
a trainer for the Center of Substance Prevention for their National Volunteer
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Training Center and one of the things that they're really big on is getting groups
in communities to look at that array of services that are targeted towards
substance use, prevention, reduction, treatment approaches. And I think Chief
you're getting at, this is one attempt at building that community event of services,
and you also pointed out that that's one attempt at a specific grade level and so I
think it's important to recognize that in this community we do have an array
several different approaches to addressing this one specific area. You know I
come from the community based services part of this and the skills resistance
prevention affect anything and that's one component of an entire set of
approaches you can take. Some of them in fact, this one has general studies of
one in more significant (can't hear) at changing behavior. There's also two ways
to look at, the effectiveness you can look at behavior change, you can also look at
attitudinal change and yes even cases where it's shown that there isn't a
statistically significant effect at behavior change with the DARE program but
there have been, it has been shown that there have been other impacts and other
lower moderate statistically significant affects with things that you both were
getting at. And you know having worked with teenagers again at a community
based center I always felt, and this is, I felt that it was a benefit to have here
because it was an information dissemination strategy and as someone at a
community base agency working at behavior change I didn't have to spend my
time with young people with information dissemination because they've already
received it at DARE and (can't hear) so I can focus my energies at behavior
change. So you know and again I think that there is benefit to having law
enforcement with presence in the school, having young people getting a lot more
positive with law enforcement than waiting for a negative experience to happen
and if information dissemination about drug, alcohol, tobacco is the vehicle to
getting them in there then I really don't have a problem with it so.
Lehman/How do the board members feel?
Schultz/I can't say that I spend a lot of time on it. It, I think it's useful to have different
approaches because different kids just respond to different things so we're coming
at people with two or three different ideas, one of them as wrong.
Reece/Is there a measurement piece of the DARE program? Is there any way that we
evaluate it's effectiveness?
Lehman/I think it's almost impossible to definitively do it, you know, and I guess.
Reece/Is there anything in place then?
Lehman/Oh I think there are, there are studies that have shown in other communities
(can't hear) I think that have shown that in many cases very minor affects on kids
using alcohol on drugs. To me the DARE program is far more of a drug program,
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it's an opportunity for kids to interact with police officers. And if that was the
only reason that they were there is worth it as far as I'm concerned because it's a
positive reaction to police officers. You know we catch them on the skateboards
on the sidewalks and that's a very negative confrontation, and I think young
people need to know that police officers are, they really are their friends, and their
to help and solve and I think that's one, it's an interaction that they leamed early
that these folks are and are pretty good guys, and so the effectiveness on and so
distantly is an impossible measure but the effectiveness in preventing kinds from
using tobacco or drugs although obviously very important is the only
measurement of whether or not that' s effective, but I'm interested in what,
obviously Lane you feel that way, RJ I think you do, you do Ross but I'm just
interested in what the school board.
Jackson/Well I mean I agree with what you've said and it seems like sort of a strategy
and yet in the absence of anything else the school is coming forth with we'd like
to try this program that DARE seems to do a reasonable job of needing the kinds
of things that we talked about so. I don't have a great (can't hear) to say well Dee
let's go change unless there's clearly some other alternative on the table but I
would not want to lose what currently exists with it.
Lehman/Part of it is mainly the name, we use the name DARE and then I think we
measure the effectiveness of success based on how effective we are in influencing
kids when it comes to drugs or alcohol. I think the real valuable program is far
more than just that.
Wilburn/But I think that what your getting at, you know, the studies look at some of
them look, what's more difficult to measure is the other impact. A lot of the
studies I've seen look at effectiveness at preventing or relapse prevention and you
know some of the short term ones will show, many of the studies will show there
is no long term lasting effect related to DARE in terms of effectiveness at
prevention, but again what your getting at is the difficulty measure where the
other intangible, perhaps intangible (can't hear).
Champion/And basically I think that's, we look at this at budget time but if the school
district thinks that it's still valuable then I think we're willing to support it, the
problem that we get into when you have relationships like this is it is pull out time
in the classroom or the teachers think that they would really have that time
teaching kids to read than having them talk to a police officer so it's kind
weighing all those things but at some times programs like this teachers or
principals don't really want them in their school but they're obligated to have
them, so, but I think it's a decision you have to make.
Reece/It sounds like the issue may be because we want to think in terms of focusing on
police presence in our community through the schools rather than focus it on a
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drug and alcohol problem and that seems to be what's coming up is important to
everyone and so maybe the police officer's time in the classroom could cover a
broader spectrum of what we do in our community rather than just talking about
drugs and alcohol.
Wilburn/And that' s putting it in the bigger context as to not only what we would hope to
accomplish but looking the communities response because there are service
agencies, there's programs whether it be you know the DARE program with those
grades, or the Safety Village related to certain things. So let's put it in context wit
the entire package from the community, and an entire community response rather
than like your saying Dee at budget time, well here's a line we can get rid of. And
so that's my only vices, looking at the big picture and what is it that we could.
Wallace/I agree with.
Wilburn/What is it our one time officers do it.
Wallace/I agree with the group, I think we've known for a long time DARE is not been
an overwhelming success from the change in attitudes as children and older and
so therefore I have no objection if somebody wants to undertake a good study of
every program that's out there and find one that's better, we might consider it. I
think the thing we have to do in the next few years if we have to look at this
whole city wide, county wide situation of multiple programs that are addressing
multiple and different populations concerning alcohol use, tobacco use, and drug
abuse. I mean we have things from Stepping Up to cracking down on underage
drinking to DARE, Mercy just started one to train physicians to recognize
domestic violence or abuse alcohol abuse, what kind of (can't hear) were picking
off the ends. Sometimes the drugs are that has a bad connotation, but you know if
somebody's interested in what are we doing, how can we do it better? And
include the whole population and not just fifth graders or 18-20 year olds or what
have you.
Wilburn/Are there any SADD groups in the school district (can't hear)?
man/Yes.
man/Yes there is.
Wilburn/That' s another example of studies that have looked at is Students Against Drunk
Driving in terms of their impact on effectiveness of behavior change especially
and they are not just sufficient, not sufficient data, not statistically significant but
that's a case where if you have kids that are getting together and saying, trying to
reach their peers, you know funding (can't hear) but just philosophically I'm not
going to say well you guys shouldn't have a Students Against Drunk Driving
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group because it's not effective, you know that's getting into that bigger picture,
(can't hear). Those are intangibles that I think are important to have so, (can't
hear) but that's just a.
Wallace/Sounds like we're reaffirming support on this.
O'Donnell/I think so.
Reece/Well my question, I mean in terms of the budgeting, do, I don't know how it
works, do you pay a specific amount to the DARE program for materials and then
the police officers are paid as well.
Lehman/Well we pay the police officers, for the materials and cost of the city DARE
program is what?
Winkelhake/It depends on how you look at it, I think the cost for materials and so on if
I'm not mistaken I think it was like $12,000 this last year.
Atkins/I think (can't hear) went out, it's about $12,000, we also assign an officer full
time so it's $60,000 plus for (can't hear).
Lehman/I don't think we're here asking you to pay by money, do we, I just want feelings
from you folks that it's worth our time, I think it's a wonderful program, I love
seeing young folks interact with police officers socially in a positive fashion. And
we call it DARE because we could put any initials on it that we wanted to on it,
just the fact that they're there interacting with the young people I think has
tremendous value but then obviously what I think of and (can't hear) your the
school board. If you ever feel that it's worth while, you know, it would be nice I
suspect if you could, Lane wrote a letter indicating some of that, it would be nice
if you would take a look at it, I don't think extensively but send a letter to Council
indicating your support for or unsupport for so we can you know put it in the
record and just have it in file if it comes up we can indicate to each other how you
feel about it.
Kanner/And again just to reiterate what I heard I think there's two issues, there's the
issue of the police presence and see if that's the DARE vehicle is the best way to
get into the schools. I'm sure there are a number of programs, and maybe we
need to hear more about police interaction with school, what's being done around
the country and see if this is the best vehicle to do that, to meet those ends that
your talking about Ernie. Then I think people, your bring up is something that we
ought to see if we want to move forward on, a community wide response to
people school age and use of alcohol and other drugs and cigarettes.
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Wilburn/Maybe you might also want to look at just so thought, and maybe you have
already as a board what specific programs, I guess two parts. What specific
programs do the schools use to address substance abuse prevention, you can put it,
your putting it in context, DARE context with those, but also looking at the entire
rib of activity that law enforcement does have involved with the schools and I
would be curious to see what your, (can't hear) in context with the groups.
O'Donnell/I think anytime that you have a tool that opens up the communication
between the police officers and young people I think it's a very valuable tool.
We're all talking about other programs, we've got a program now that I think is
very well, I read a study after 92 and there was folks that had gotten so much
better, or quite a bit better but. We should be looking maybe at expanding the
program to cover these things we're talking about and we're eliminating it and
going to another one, because there isn't any recognition.
Lehman/Well if you folks would just keep that on the burner obviously as an interest on
the part of the Council.
Alcohol Issues
Lehman/The next item is really, in some respects is related to DARE but as you might
have read in the paper someplace there has been some concern in the community
about under age drinking and over indulgence and this is something that happened
I think more than just the last week or two. Council has talked about it briefly,
we've received communication from Stepping Up, the University of Iowa, the
County Health Department, from a couple of citizens. Anyway we're going to
meet with bar owners next month, we obviously have, I think the Council, all
seven of us agree we have some sort of problem within the community and it
needs to be looked at. I guess because alcohol obviously and underage drinking
affects folks that you work with and I think we do have no question that we all
read the paper about big parties from one of the high schools where a large
number of under age kids who are having parties so this isn't something that's
limited to high school or college, in fact it's not limited to young people but we
will meeting with the bar owners, I don't know exactly what we're going to tell
them, my feeling is that we're. I would tell them you correct the problem or we
will and I think something needs to be done. But I would, from my perspective,
and I hope the rest of the Council's perspective we would like some thoughts
from the school boards, support for ideas as to how you feel we can address this
problem. And we are going to have to address it I don't think there's any question
about it, we've gotten enough pressure from and I think correctly so but obviously
it affects the folks that you work with every bit as much as it does the University
kids. So I think Council would be very amenable to hearing input from the
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School Board. Does the Stepping Up communicate directly with the school
board?
Schultz/Occasionally they do.
Jackson/At least I get some letters.
Lehman/Well I do all the time you know.
man/It's not individually, it's not a program directed to our age group.
Lehman/It isn't but then they kind of redirected themselves.
Wallace/They have and I've talked to Julie Phye about this and she has no objection to
that but the original concept was.
Lehman/The University' s, right.
Wallace/18-20 year old program which is fine which brings up the first question, and
hopefully my only question but we really have a couple issues, one is the
underage drinking in bars.
Lehman/Right.
Wallace/And that's basically the bars problem, city's problem what have you. And then
there' s the underage drinking outside of bars, keggers, people's homes.
Lehman/Graduation.
Wallace/On the hay rack, whatever it is you know and people are doing it and we may
have to at some time split off and work it to (can't hear) because we may have
entirely different mechanisms there that we need to deal with so.
Lehman/I think that's probably, I have no idea how many high school kids find their way
to the bars, obviously some do.
Schultz/There was a study report on the radio as I drove in that Iowa has a higher rate of
teenage drinking than other states in the union.
Lehman/I know.
Vanderhoef/Would it be beneficial to you folks to sit in on the meeting with the bar
owners just to get a feel for what' s happening?
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Lehman/Well it's a public meeting, your certainly welcome to sit in.
man/When is it?
Lehman/We haven't scheduled that, have we Steve?
Atkins/No we haven't.
Lehman/Next month sometime.
(All talking)
Wallace/If you could let us know and send something to Lane so he could poll the board
members so at least one of us could be there.
Lehman/All right that's fine.
Wallace/That would be great.
Kanner/I guess from my perspective the question is well before the question, certainly
there' s a problem with high schoolers doing some of those things your talking
about. The drinking problems are starting earlier and I don't think it's the earlier
age people going into the bar and purchasing it. So the question in my mind is
how can the City get involved and work on that problem with the school, in the
school setting, that's what I'd like to explore how we could work together on that
issue before people that are starting to drink at 12, 13, 14, 15, they're not going
into the bars, they're drinking other places and so we have to find out and work
together in the best way, what programs are going to work, how could we support
it with money if necessary and try to set up strategy on that one.
Lehman/Well I think that Steve's right we certainly need to be supportive, I do think
obviously that's, that's a problem to all of us.
Champion/You know what I think this all sounds idealistic but I don't think your going
to take kids to take alcohol seriously until you get parents taking it seriously.
When parents continue to buy alcohol for children's parties they're not going to
take it seriously, and when the University allows huge bar adds in their own
newspaper that serves alcohol, their (can't hear) aren't going to take it seriously.
So I have problems with the pressure on me to take care of a problem that nobody
else wants to attack, I guess I shouldn't have said that.
Kanner/So then there are programs, Connie there are programs that are listed here that
start to deal with some of those things, it's not, nothing's going to eliminate it but
there are systematic ways to approach the problem that in the way that your
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talking about and so that's something that perhaps we could look at through the
schools and see what would be most effective and starting to make a dent.
Champion/Yea because I think it's becoming a terrible problem even at the high school
level. lt's worse than when my kids were in school.
man/Middle school.
Champion/It was bad then.
man/(can't hear).
Champion/I certainly didn't buy alcohol for my kids.
Wallace/Same thing can be said for marijuana, if adults smoke it why shouldn't the kids
smoke it, (can't hear).
Lehman/Well why don't you, we're going to be, and any input that you have please. I
don't, I guess I'm a little surprised no one on the school board is on Stepping Up's
Board or Committee.
Plugge/I sit on it.
Lehman/That's right, I'm sorry, yes indeed.
Plugge/I sat next to you at some of those early ones.
(All talking).
Plugge/And we have shared, Julie's worked with us.
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Plugge/Survey it's a State of Iowa survey, I can't remember if it's the Department of Ed.
or who it is and we've sort of shared some of that, she's asked for that data this
year, we're starting to gather some longitude data.
Schultz/Before we leave this topic, I've heard Ames and Cedar Falls have regulations
limiting access to the bars.
O'Donnell/Cedar Falls has repealed this, Ames does have one.
Wilburn/It regulates access to, if example there's different ways to do it. In Ames I think
its a 40 or 50 percent of your sales are food then if you're under 21 you can get in.
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Schultz/It was pretty blushy in other words (can't hear).
Wilburn/Or if your spouse or is under 21 or your parents, yea at certain times.
Vanderhoef/At 9:00 at night or something like that.
O'Donnell/I spoke with a Councilman at Cedar Falls and the problems they had is how
do you distinguish a restaurant, and they had 50 percent, or 51 percent had to be
food, well you can get into a .10 cent hot dog or a $10.00 hot dog, you can get
into cover charges, and they really had problems there. It's, I'm just wondering if
you can legislate drinking, can you tell a person no, the only way, I think the only
thing that's effective is penalty, and fine, if somebody goes in and breaks the law
because it's against the law to drink in the State of Iowa unless your 21. If the
penalties commence with it, then I think you can have some control of it, boy, but
there' s just so many avenues today that a kid can go and their very creative.
Lehman/We're going to get a lot of time to talk about it.
O'Donnell/We are, I talked too much.
Kanner/Tangential issue with the cigarettes for Lane and Steve, with the money from the
tobacco settlement, $11 million or so that's coming for prevention from the state.
Are there, do you know if there are plans that that could be used for local
communities for programs, if that's something we should be looking for for grant
money for that, I mean for the school and the City?
Atkins/To my understanding no, we are not going to receive any local, now there may be
something in the education bill that was just signed, I just don't know. From our
perspective in law enforcement Steve I was unaware of that there' s.
Plugge/We'll have to wait and see Steven how if any of those will be our programs we
can apply for them, if there's typically pool money we'll typically apply so.
Wilburn/There's also a couple different funding streams that that money is coming
through because I know the group fight now around here are putting together a
grant proposal to tap into some of that funds.
Kanner/And maybe it's something we can work together see if the schools there is
money.
Lehman/OK we'll keep under this on that.
Highway 6 Pedestrian Overpass
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Lehman/How did this get on here?
Wallace/You're going to tell us you're going to build it and we're going to.
Lehman/I don't think we are but I don't blame you (can't hear).
Champion/I just don't think we're going to.
O'Donnell/We spoke about it.
Lehman/There has been some interest on the part of some folks who live south of
Highway 6 about overpasses, in fact, and I use the word plural because as we were
approached as a Cotmcil I think that there was interest in doing, and Steve you
may have to get involved in this I know that some time ago there was some
interest in looking at overpasses and I think at that time there was some
preliminary work sort of done with some estimates, very very expensive, I don't, I
have no idea the level of the interest on the part of the Council but I do know the
level of expense.
Wilburn/(Can't hear) maybe I don't know if you had heard yet but maybe some of the
other, Pete you might know, how is transportation with Twain and south of 6
now? Is there one bus or are there several buses that getting students over to, are
there (can't hear) say from the Broadway neighborhood or behind Econofoods
over to Twain?
Plugge/I don't know, do you know Jerry what route we have?
Lehman/Jerry you need to speak in the microphone, sorry.
Palmer/We do provide bus access for those students.
Wilburn/Because is it probably the younger ones that are taking advantage of it?
Palmer/Yea because of the distance a lot of the kids are still preferring you know to
walk, it is a situation where safety is a major issue but as long as we provide
transportation because of the safety concern we would (can't hear).
Plugge/And we provide it because of the safety yes, because their walking distance to
Twain.
Lehman/Steve, give us some, we have decided to, I think we asked you to look into costs
and whatever and I don't know how.
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Atkins/It was about 10 years ago we did a study, an engineering study to determine if we
could do an overpass on the First Avenue/Highway 6 area. Basically come up
from where Hollywood Boulevard come down somewhere where the fire station
is, it is at that time about a $700,000 project, rough estimates today it's well over
a million dollars to build that. The question at the time for the Council, and I
think the school board's were involved too was that while it certainly would be
nice safety feature are the kids really going to use it? And I think that's what we
got down to, are we going to spend a million dollars7 Are the kids going to, most
of us have raised children they got in straight lines not all the way around.
Lehman/So do we.
Atkins/Well so do we. There was a discussion about having one installed at Keokuk and
because of ADA requirements the slope for actually pushed the thing back almost
to the point of where the Kmart parking lot was and by the time you start to rise
and you get up and you get down your talking about possibly taking out houses,
and it simply did not seem to be a practical solution and we're talking millions of
dollars. We currently have planned Jeff can give you some brief details about
fixing up Highway 6 anyway, drainage, sidewalks, Highway 6 is changing the
character in sense of it's commercial, more lights are being installed all the time,
I think the bottom line question is do these overpasses really serve their intended
to provide additional safety for the kids. And that was the parents argument,
Jerry was not, and I think he remembers the debate and we just, it's all a good
idea. Are the kids really going to use these things?
Palmer/I think another thing you did do is you adjusted the timing of the lights.
Atkins/That's correct.
Palmer/Because there was a situation where you could only get about halfway across
before the light switched and the city adjusted that so that the timing was.
Kanner/What percentage are using the safety shuttles would you say? A rough estimate,
of those that could use it.
Palmer/I would hate to speculate on that, we can get that information for you (can't
hear).
O'Donnell/Do you know how many young people there are going to Twain, did you
(can't hear).
Plugge/Yea, we can get that information.
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Lehman/Well has there been any concern expressed to the school board or principals or
whatever about this issue because it came up to a Council, at a Council meeting
by some parents and the six years I've been on the Council it's never come up. It
came up about oh two months ago, it was brought up to us and that's the only
time I heard about it in six years and I guess I'm interested if that has come up to
the school board or principals or whatever or if it's just a single instance being
brought up to the Council. It sounds like it is.
Palmer/It has not come into the Central office, whether or not the board members have.
Reece/Was it brought up by an individual or was it a group?
Lehman/Yes, no, it brought up, well no I think the individual may have represented some
neighbors, neighborhood but it was still brought up just at a meeting.
Atkins/I think there was neighborhood support, it just became, it's very much a practical
sort of issue, to spend that kind of money to build those sort of facilities.
Champion/Well if you have to walk a block out of your way to get to it, no you're not
going to use it.
Atkins/Well in some instances Connie it was more than that, a block, of course the
parents pledged to make sure that their kids crossed over.
Lehman/Well in some case they walk five or six blocks to get to the bridge to over.
Champion/Well I was just thinking with the slope even I mean walking.
Atkins/Highway 6 will eventually have sidewalks on both sides and I think there' s going
to be additional pedestrian traffic.
Wilburn/And I think that's why there was, why there was some more interest because
south of 6 is where we're putting that up and so it would be increased traffic and
that was what they were getting it.
Wallace/Well it sounds like Ernie we need to do a little research, you know we need to
know how many kids have to cross 6 to go to Twain, we need to know how many
are on the shuttle buses, we need to get some idea if we didn't have shuttle buses
would they use a pedestrian walkway or if we had the walkway would they
continue to use the shuttle buses and we'd have nobody using the walkway.
Those are questions that we need.
Champion/Do you bus junior high kids from there?
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O'Donnell/Yea to Southeast.
Vanderhoef/I have to bring it up but it's certainly one of the things that I would
encourage you to look at when your boundary changes, besides interstates is
where are the, not just specifically in this issue but throughout the community
how the siting of a school and the safety issues that can come from boundaries
that cross arterials.
Palmer/And Dee one of the things that historically and I think the board now also have
given new direction if we do look at what we call natural barriers.
Vanderhoef/Barriers.
Palmer/And that is one, now the problem that we have is that Grant Wood Elementary
School is at capacity, Mark Twain Elementary has available space so that's, and
those students are very close.
Wallace/So could you move Highway 6 about three blocks from?
(All talking).
Vanderhoef/18 years ago guys, it's just one of those things that we always have to keep
aware of.
Lehman/The other thing that may, I think it really and brought this up and Ross your
exactly right, is this improvement, the city is going to be doing on Highway 1 and
it's a 8 or 10 foot trail on the south side of Highway 6 all the way from First
Avenue?
Vanderhoef/To the river.
Lehman/I think it's that far, that's going to increase pedestrian traffic I'm sure and
bicycle traffic and whatever along the Highway 6 and it may very well be the
push for some sort of pedestrian go get. And it may, we also may end up having
to do something with working with the state longer time to walk through, it's a
big issue, you know the bridge is wonderful but if nobody uses it, it's an awful lot
of money for something that isn't used.
Wallace/Dee we'd be glad to consider all this in the boundary things, but we're waiting
for Karin to come forth with an absolute assured 10 year plan of where
development will occur (laughter) and then we can plan, then we can plan
precisely.
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Lehman/Since I think the medical community could also give us some idea of the birth
rate and whatever and guarantee that.
Wallace/The fertility, yes we could do that.
SIDEWALK/LIGHTING ISSUES ON FIRST AVENUE
Lehman/I think we're, I think that Dee wants to talk about sidewalks and lighting.
Vanderhoef/I do indeed. The First Avenue obviously is my neighborhood and so I (can't
hear) I'm fairly aware the pedestrian traffic in particular to Bates Field and I have
had oh over the course of the last four years more and more comments to me
about how are we going to take care of the safety issue when there are big events
happening at Bates Field. And sidewalks is one of the things that they bring up,
another one is lighting right at the gate where you enter from the east side of Bates
Field and I hate to bring this one up but this is my own and that I always walk
down there and it has to do with all those cars that park in the grass on the west
side of First Avenue and then they back out into traffic, some of them back out,
some of them swing around and do all sorts of things and we're intermingling
those vehicles with people walking without a sidewalk and there's sort of a scary
situation there.
Palmer/The sidewalk Dee is on our improvement plan, it was approved last year, it is
being done as soon as school, as soon as we can actually this spring.
Vanderhoef/OK, that's great.
Lehman/That's wonderful.
Vanderhoef/And then it will be posted no parking along there or?
(All talking)
Vanderhoef/I mean pulling up and breaking up your new sidewalk might not be a real
good idea.
Wallace/Yea because you'd have to cross the sidewalk to get to the (can't hear).
Lehman/Jerry when you locate that sidewalk, I'm just thinking ahead but if First Avenue
were to be, if turn lanes and whatever added, that sidewalk is located in such a
fashion that it wouldn't have to be removed if we add turning lanes. What are you
laughing about Steve? I don't know that but I mean it would.
Atkins/You know we got the sidewalk Ernie don't mess it up.
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(All talking).
Atkins/I don't know that's why I was laughing I.
Lehman/You'd run that, Jeff could tell you where to put the sidewalks.
Vanderhoef/That's part of the city's zoning should we call it. That was all that I really
wanted you to take a look at and see what we could do to make that a safer kind of
thing down there and I can talk to Steve and if we needed more lighting right at
that area or a painted crosswalk let's talk about it.
Plugge/One major problem with City High is it's half the size of the space you need for
comprehensive high school that size, need 80 acres not 40 and that's not going to
happen so when you look at parking, lighting (can't hear).
Palmer/Yea there's five nights where or so during the Fall when we're never going to be
able to accommodate all of the public parking (can't hear).
Champion/Well everybody knows that.
Palmer/But I think the City has posted signs.
Atkins/We can post, we can, there's nothing, when the sidewalk is installed we can put
no parking signs any time, and that would become a question.
Vanderhoef/We can or they can?
Arkins/We can.
Lehman/I don't that they can.
Atkins/It's public fight of way I mean I can't imagine why we would be able to enforce
that.
Lehman/Well of the five times a year that occurs how much problem have we had.
Arkins/It's more than five times.
Vanderhoef/Well it's more than five times by the time you get all of the.
Atkins/Dee can I add something onto it quick? You were saying I don't know Jerry or
Lane, it happens to be in my neighborhood so I drive by with some regularity
also. I'll notice that Bates Field area traffic is just jam packed with cars and the
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out parking lot over off Court is empty. Is there a way you can encourage folks to
walk further?
Lehman/Sure.
(All talking).
Plugge/We can make sure they're open but I'm sure they park there because it's closer.
Champion/Well ifthere's no parking signs they won't.
Vanderhoef/It's by habit at this point, the community is used to doing that.
Champion/Was part of your agreement with the neighborhood when you put that parking
lot down to open it for athletic events, was that?
Plugge/No I park there for athletic events before but.
Palmer/We have it open for athletic events but we do have some regulations as far as
when it's closed after midnight.
Vanderhoef/When you have it for athletic events do open the Court Street gate for
entrance that makes it easier to get to?
Palmer/The entrance does come through our regular entrances.
Vanderhoef/I know it.
Palmer/Not it comes through the Court Street gate, that is.
Vanderhoef/Would that be something to look at? That for out-of-towners trying to find
number 1 a place to park and giving directions to folks and directing them to
come via the Court Street.
Palmer/No, I'll visit with the City High administration regarding that, I will say that at
least the football games all of that parking is utilized to it's capacity. Again as
Lane said we've got about half the space that we really need.
Lehman/OK.
Mobile Home Tax
Lehman/I don't know why we're talking about this this is a State Legislative Issue.
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Vanderhoef/Well I'll tell you why.
Lehman/I'm waiting.
Vanderhoef/I figured you would. This issue came up to my attention last summer, I sit
on the State Legislative Committee for the State League of Cities and this was one
of the issues that was presented to us as a possible issue for our lobbyists in the
State Legislature. As we looked at it we thought it had some merit but what we
saw also was that it had implications for school districts and for counties as well
as cities. And it was like we need to get the word out so that there might be
awareness with all of the organizations that might have some affect on the State
Legislature. I bring it only to your attention for that purpose that if you see
something here that is of interest to you and if you wanted to take it to the State
School Board Association to State Administration groups and I'll be presenting it
also at the Joint meeting with the County but it's something that we might move
forward and it's an equity kid of issue it can, it is nothing more than that and I
bring it to your attention and ask you to consider it. Any questions about it, if
you'd like me to go through it, it's basically, the rule has not changed on taxation
for the collective, all the modular mobile homes since 1970.
Lehman/This is true for manufacturing homes as well?
Vanderhoef/They all fall in this category, anything that sits on leased land are taxed
differently than when you own the property even though the modular home may
be identical.
Lehman/Do you have numbers that would indicate the amount of property taxes paid on
the land that it sits on? For example the average size home pay them a lot as well.
This one your not, do we have any idea when mobile home court operators?
Vanderhoef/No I don't at this point for that land.
Lehman/Certainly (can't hear).
Vanderhoef/And the school district I think might be the biggest player in this whole
thing that mobile home court parks are into County and all your little towns and
your City, and so forth, and so it was just something to look at. When the law
was written it was written with the idea that the value of mobile homes decreased
over time and I think this has changed considerably in the last 30 years and you
can read it for yourself and make up your own mind, the only thing I would add
down there on the League recommendations is that all classes of taxpayers receive
the same access to services such as fire and police protection and I would ask, add
schools to that, this is something to look at.
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O'Donnell/Dee are you saying that mobile home value increases now over a period of
years rather than decreases?
Vanderhoef/Yes.
Lehman/Manufactured homes too.
Vanderhoef/Manufactured homes do, we have some here in the City and I mention to the
City that the appreciation is there and they are built differently, they do last and.
Champion/They are as big as houses now.
O'Donnell/Yea.
Vanderhoef/Oh certainly, the double wides (can't hear) are there.
Kanner/Dee is this .20 cents per square foot subject to the roll back of that other
property?
Vanderhoef/It's subject to the decrease right now on after five years the home is only
taxed at only 9 percent and then it goes on down after that and after 10 years it
drops to 80 percent. It has it's own and it's a decreasing value on the tax (can't
hear).
Kanner/There that, but it still might so it would lessen the amount that we're just
supposedly losing the 310 if you have it subject to real estate tax like other
property with the 58 percent roll back.
Vanderhoef/No the roll back, this is the.
Kanner/It would be a different, we wouldn't be losing as much as that's put here.
Lehman/I wouldn't hold that these are just (can't hear) but I'd hold on because it doesn't
say.
Vanderhoef/The roll back would only fit on the property undemeath the land, not on this.
Lehman/That' s not what he's saying, the roll back on top of that.
Vanderhoef/I know what he's. it doesn't.
Lehman/I don't think it does either.
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O'Donnell/Dee do you does these modular homes increase at the same level that the
stick built homes do?
Vanderhoef/They're made of the exactly same materials.
O'Donnell/But is there any study that says (can't hear)? Because I can't imagine that.
Atkins/I don't think they do but Dee is fight because of the popularity of these homes
they have become an item that they are appreciating where traditionally have been
depreciating. One of the reasons it has to be dealt with is a tax policy standpoint
it clearly is an equity issue. You own a stick built house the lot you are paying
more than someone under like circumstances that might be one of those modular
homes. And we have made a policy clearly we're going to encourage that
emphatically.
Lehman/Well.
Atkins/Because there's potential to have loads and loads and now those neighborhoods
have lots and lots of kids usually.
Lehman/But I know people who have moved into modular homes retires there, one of the
reasons they told me was taxes, because taxes are significantly less, it's something
obviously we want to look at, it's too late for this Legislative Session.
Vanderhoef/Well that, the pattern for League of Cities is that we will set Legislative
things from the committees point in July and August and then it will be ratified by
our State Organization in October to be put onto the list then for the next Iowa
Assembly and I don't know what the patterns are for your organizations but this
might be an opportunity for you to get it into those folks for legislative
consideration.
Palmer/Dee just so that you know the impact that that would have on the school district,
this is not saying it should or should not be changed is that for our operating fund
we only get so much money, it would only change who the money is coming
from, it would not increase our revenues to the operating fund. On the physical
plant equipment levy we'll do that in dollar per $1,000 dollars evaluations, it
would have an impact on that but for the general operating fund.
Vanderhoef/That's a different formula.
Palmer/Yea the way that it's funded is the way to do it, yea.
Vanderhoef/That (can't hear). OK that's all I have. Thank you.
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Lehman/All right guys. Anything else. Do please look at the zoning thing and I really
think we should have something in case we back reaffirming the value of DARE
programs, let us know on the lights.
Reece/Is this, is the joint meeting, is this an annual joint meeting?
Lehman/No it's whenever you'd like to meet with us.
Reece/It's great, let's do it more, it's really helpful.
O'Donnell/I'd do it some more, I very very much appreciate it.
Wallace/So see you this afternoon?
O'Donnell/Yea we'll see you this afternoon.
Champion/Tomorrow.
O'Donnell/Tomorrow at 4:00.
Palmer/Tonight is the education (can't hear).
Adjourned 8:50 AM
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