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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2000-06-12 Transcription June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 1 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session 6:41 PM Council: Lehman, Champion, O'Donnell, Vanderhoef, Kanner, Wilburn, Pfab Staff: Atkins, Helling, Karr, Dilkes, Franklin, Davidson Tapes: 00-67 Both Sides, 00-68 Side 1 Planning & Zoning Matters A. CONSIDER A MOTION SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR JULY 18 ON A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE ANNEXATION OF 69.37 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF LOWER WEST BRANCH ROAD AND TAFT AVENUE. (ANN00-0001) Karin Franklin/The first two items are setting public hearings for July 18. Lehman/Before you start, do I understand that you have become a grandmother? Franklin/Yes. Lelunan/Boy or girl? Champion/Well congratulations. Franklin/Girl. Lehman/Is that right? Pfab/You should see the pictures at the. O'Donnell/You're too young for that aren't you? Franklin/Yes. It was easy. Lehman/Nobody is going to top that. Go ahead. Franklin/First two items are setting public hearings July 18. On the annexation of about 69 acres just north of the Windsor Ridge Development and then the zoning of that to RS-5 and IDRS and we'll get into the details of that on the 17th. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 2 B. CONSIDER A MOTION SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR JULY 18 ON AN ORDINANCE TO REZONE 30.32 ACRES FROM COUNTY SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL (RS) TO LOW DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL (RS-5) AND 39.05 ACRES FROM COUNTY SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL (RS) TO INTERIM DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL (ID-RS) FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF LOWER WEST BRANCH ROAD AND TAFT AVENUE. (REX00-0012) (See A.) C. PUBLIC HEARING ON AN ORDINANCE TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 190 ACRES FROM INTERIM DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL (ID-RS) TO SENSITIVE AREAS OVERLAY (OSA-5) (APPROXIMATELY 82.1 ACRES) TO ALLOW THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PENINSULA NEIGHBORHOOD, A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OF UP TO 400 DWELLING UNITS AND LIMITED COMMERCIAL USES AND PUBLIC (P) (APPROXIMATELY 107.9 ACRES) LOCATED WEST OF FOSTER ROAD. (REZ000-0016) Franklin/The next item is the public hearing on the peninsula project rezoning. And this is to set the zoning on this site, it's for an OPDH-5, what I've shown up here, it's like a little bit too big for the screen. But this is the sensitive areas that are outlined. This is going to be a sensitive areas overlay, as well as a typical OPDH plan, OPDH-5. And what is being imposed upon the upper level is the Dover- Kohl plan, which the Council adopted July of 98. This will also zone approximately 100 acres in the lower part of the peninsula for the peninsula park and that would be zoned to P. So what your rezoning here is the lower peninsula park about 100 acres for P for public. The upper 82 acres, OPDH-5 or OSA-5. Are there questions about this? I mean the Dover-Kohl plan is the one that you have seen before that we went through all the chariot and everything with. Vanderhoef/Karin there was something in the verbiage that went to P & Z about even accepting more public land in that area and I wasn't ever clear that we had ever made that kind of a commitment. Franklin/What that is primarily concerned with Dee is the wooded slopes. The development land is obviously the flatter property up on the top and we talked about how we would deal with these wooded slopes on the side here. Basically what is going to be purchased is 82.1 acres. That is the total area that is included This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 3 here. Save this part up here which is was retained by the Meardon's. The density will be transferred from these hillsides to the top, the overall density is still 5 dwelling units per acre. These parts in here may be dedicated to the city or to a conservation group or put in a conservation easement to preserve those hillsides. We'll go through that when we go through the actual plotting of it. You will be seeing this again probably around October. And when we see it then what we'll have is what's a regulating plan, a preliminary plat, and a code book which will all be adopted for this site, and basically what that's doing is setting out what we typically see as the preliminary plat with the streets and the lots and the detail of the engineering. At that point we will determine what properties will be dedicated to the public if any, what will be put in conservation easements, what will be open space, what will be used for single family, multi-family, whatever. We'll also have the code book which essentially sets the zoning on this site along with a design code. And that will go through this same kind of process through the Commission and the Council. Lehman/The sale of this property to the developer includes those areas that your talking about is that not correct? Franklin/Yes it does, in payment for this, it will include the whole thing and that's what we pay for the $1.3 million for. Lehman/Right, fight. So if we were to, never mind. I mean it needs to be part of the total purchase package so that you can transfer density. Franklin/That's correct. Lehman/If we take it out and put it in public they will not be able to transfer density and can't do what we've talking about. Franklin/That's correct. Lehman/So we leave it the way it is. Champion/Right. Franklin/Right. Lehman/Right. Vanderhoef/So that's what you were talking about on the 50 percent encroachment. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 Jtme 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 4 Franklin/Now, OK the 50 percent encroachment has to do with the sensitive areas overlay, and as we looked at this from the very beginning because we had our sensitive areas ordinance was to look at it in the context of that in the Dover-Kohl plan to keep the development away from those sensitive areas and maintain those 50 foot buffers. There's also the 50 percent tree removal, is that what your referring to? We have one spot where Foster Road comes in here that we're getting into the critical slopes which as with anybody you can get into critical slopes as long you engineer them. One of the reasons that we're doing this as a sensitive areas overlay is because that's what would be required if it were going through a private, totally private kind of development and we're doing it exactly the same way. Lehman/This really is a private development. Franklin/It is a private development but there's a public partnership for a long time. We've been working through the development agreement and let me get into that a little bit in terms of the process from here on. Because you have I hope an amended agenda which shows first consideration after the public hearing tomorrow night. This is a little bit unusual but because we have gone through this process over some period of time in terms of it being a public planning process, we're asking you to expedite this a little bit to get it done and get the development agreement done by the first of July. The reason for that is so that the investors can be locked in and the development can proceed with this regulating plan and code book which is going to be about 4 months of work. So what we're asking you to do if you are willing is to do the public hearing and first consideration tomorrow night, on the 20th, next Tuesday, wave the second reading, do pass and adopt on the zoning and you'd also have the resolution for the development agreement. The development agreement is going to address issues like phasing, who has obligations to put in what infrastructure, I mean we have basically we have put the infrastructure into the property line, the developers responsible for everything internally. It also discusses the payment for the land, how that's going to be set up. It discusses also affordable housing and what the provisions are going to be in terms of working that out. If we can't get that all together by next Tuesday I may ask you all to meet briefly to have a special meeting to approve that developers agreement before the first of July. But as we're going back and forth right now with it we hope to be able to get it on next weeks agenda. Lehman/Next week, a week from tomorrow night. Franklin/Right, not tomorrow night. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 5 Kanner/Karin will you explain, I guess this is similar to the filtration system, storm water management that we talked about a couple weeks ago for I forgot which project that was. Franklin/As we go through this project with the preliminary plat the design for the storm water management will be pan of that and one of the stipulations is because of where this is that we do not need to provide detention on site, it must be carried to the Iowa River because it going to trovers the public property which is our well fields for the water system there will be special stipulations put on the storm water management system such that it is filtered that there are no chemicals used on the upper peninsula just as we require of the Elks for the golf holes because of the water wells that are located in the peninsula. So they're working through the system of how to deal with the storm water and I believe we'll propose a system which the filtration of the water through the wooded hillsides will act as a way of filtering that water as it make it's way to the Iowa River. Conservation Design is one of the team members on this team and one of the reasons we selected them because they do special kinds of storm water management. Kanner/Is that a local organization? Franklin/No it's, they're located just outside of Chicago. Kanner/And you say that, is it pesticides that won't be allowed? Franklin/Chemical treatment of the lawns. Kanner/And that would be defined what the chemical treatment is? Franklin/Just as we did with the Elks yes. Kanner/And what was that with the Elks? Franklin/I can't remember the exact language. Lehman/Fertilizer, pesticides, herbicides, chemicals, any chemicals. Franklin/Yea. I mean it went through a whole litany 0fwhat those things were. Other questions. O 'Donnell/Karin you're comfortable with the peninsula plan meets requirement, the sensitive areas development. I mean you've. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 6 Franklin/Oh, it, definitely. Lehman/It will, it will. Franklin/Yes. O'Donnell/And we're talking grading, slope protection, trees and erosion. Franklin/Everything, everything. O'Donnell/And everything so your comfortable. Lehman/Well it has to or they can't build on it. Franklin/Right, that's the law. O'Donnell/That's SOA-5 zoning that we have to clear to make sure we meet those requirements, otherwise it's not SOA-5. Franklin/It will meet all of the requirements of the Iowa City codes, it has to. Lehman/Yea. O'Donnell/OK, (can't hear). Franklin/I lost my agenda. Lehman/Your Item D, page 5. Franklin/I just lost my agenda for a minute there. Lehman/Would you like to borrow mine? It happens to grandmothers you know. O'Donnell/I've got an extra one. Franklin/I was waiting for that. D. CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A PRELIMINARY PLANNED DEVELOPMENT HOUSING OVERLAY (OPDH-5) PLAN FOR VILLAGE GREEN SOUTH PART 6, AN 8.69 ACRE, 35-LOT RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION WITH ONE OUTLOT FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 7 WINTERGREEN DRIVE WEST OF SOUTH JAMIE LANE (REZ00- 0010/SUB00-0009) (FIRST CONSIDERATION) Franklin/Everything else is a repeat, D is first consideration of Village Green South Part 6, the 35 lots that are in the westerly part of Village Green and as far south as you can get before you hit the tracks. E. CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 2.01 ACRES LOCATED NORTH OF WASHINGTON STREET AND EAST OF GREEN MOUNTAIN DRIVE FROM PLANNED DEVELOPMENT HOUSING OVERLAY (OPDH-8) TO LOW DENSITY SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL (RS-5). (REZ00-0008) FIRST CONSIDERATION) Franklin/Item E is for the lots along Green Mountain Drive that are split off from the Arbor Hill development. F. CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE TO REZONE 54 ACRES FROM PUBLIC/INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL (P/C) TO SENSITIVE AREAS OVERLAY - PUBLIC (OSA-P) AND FOR APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY SENSITIVE AREAS DEVELOPMENT FOR PROPERTY LOCATED IN THE NORTH PART OF THE AIRPORT PROPERTY, WEST OF RIVERSIDE DRIVE. (REZ09-0001 ) (FIRST CONSIDERATION) Franklin/Item F is first consideration for the north airport commercial park. This is the rezoning to OSA, P, and PCI-1. The plat will come with the final reading on that rezoning. G. CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ZONING CHAPTER 14-6D-5G1 REGARDING THE NONCONFORMING PROVISIONS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION RESIDENTIAL ZONE (RNC- 12). (SECOND CONSIDERATION). Franklin/Item G is the second consideration on the nonconforming provisions in the neighborhood conservation zone, that was in conjunction with the rezoning. H. CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE CHANGING THE ZONING DESIGNATION FROM LOW DENSITY SIN6LE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL (RS-5) AND PLANNI D DEVELOPMENT HOUSING OVERLAY (OPDH-5) TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT HOUSING OVERLAY (OPDH-5) AND APPROVING A PRELIMINARY PLANNED DEVELOPMENT HOUSING OVERLAY PLAN FOR VILLAGE GREEN PARTS 18-20, A 19.6-ACRE, 1 O-LOT, 63~UNIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH ONE OUTLOT LOCATED SOUTH This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 8 OF VILLAGE ROAD AND WEST OF SCOTT BOULEVARD. (REZ00-0002) (SECOND CONSIDERATION) Franklin/Item H is second consideration on Village Green Parts 18-20, these are the extension of the Wellington Condominiums and some single family houses. I. CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT HOUSING OVERLAY (OPDH-5) PLAN, AND APPROVING A PRELIMINARY PLANNED DEVELOPMENT HOUSING OVERLAY PLAN FOR VILLAGE GREEN SOUTH PART 5,A RESUBDIVISION OF A PORTION OF VILLAGE GREEN SOUTH PART 3A, A 12-LOT, 3.33-ACRE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT LOCATED AT WASHINGTON DRIVE WEST OF SCOTT BOULEVARD. (REZ00-0009) (SECOND CONSIDERATION) Franklin/Item I second consideration on the resubdivision of the North Jamie Lane. J. CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE VACATING, THE NORTHERNMOST PORTION OF NORTH JAMIE LANE, LOCATED WEST OF SCOTT BOULEVARD. (VAC00o0003) (SECOND CONSIDERATION) Franklin/And then J is the second consideration on the vacation of North Jamie Lane. K. CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE VACATING AN UNDEVELOPED PORTION OF WOOLF AVENUE FROM MCLEAN STREET SOUTH FOR A DISTANCE OF 240 FEET. (VAC97-0002) (PASS AND ADOPT) Franklin/Item K we're asking you to defer that indefinitely. This is the pass and adopt on the vacation of Woolf Avenue, we're still working through the technicalities of the conveyance of this and remember this is one where we want the conveyance and the vacation to all come together. L. TITLE 14, CHAPTER 5, BUILDING AND HOUSING, ARTICLE H, SITE PLAN REVIEW, BY ADOPTING CENTRAL PLANNING MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DESIGN STANDARDS AND RELATED AMENDMENTS TO TITLE 14, CHAPTER 6, ZONING, ARTICLE A, ZONING TITLE, PURPOSE AND SCOPE. Franklin/Item L is the pass and adopt on the in~ll guidelines and the concurrent change on the zoning ordinance with reference to those. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 9 M. CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 14, CHAPTER 6, ZONING, ARTICLE O, SIGN REGULATIONS, TO ALLOW BANNER SIGNS IN CERTAIN COMMERCIAL ZONES UNDER SOME CONDITIONS. (PASS AND ADOPT). Franklin/Item M is pass and adopt on the banner signs and I'm done. O'Donnell/Pretty quick. Lehman/Who says granny's are slow? Franklin/What was that? Lehman/I said who said granny's are slow. Pfab/I don't think you want to. Franklin/Right. Agenda Items 1). (Item 2e(6). Kent Angerer (Devonjan Fossil Gorge, Inc.) -Devonian Fossil Gorge) Atkins/Ernie I've got four items for you tonight. Most of them you'll find under your correspondence, first one is the Devonian Gorge request for $50,000, there's no legislation on to approve or disapprove, you have been asked to give. Some indication on what you'd like to have done on that. Lehman/Well. Vanderhoef/I would like to support it. Champion/I would like to support it too but I don't think I'm willing to support to the tune of $50,000. Vanderhoef/No. Lehman/At what level are you willing to support it? O'Donnell/I'd do 25. Champion/25. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 10 Pfab/Where will the money come from? Atkins/We'll have to take it from our working capital reserves, we're getting near the end of our budget year and our contingency. Pfab/Is that something that could be taken from the economic development? Atkins/Could it be? Pfab/Yes. Atkins/I haven't thought about it Irvin, I don't, I guess. Kanner/Yea I kind of like the sound of that because it is in terms of economic development, their talking about this project that's outside of Iowa City that's going to bring people to Iowa City. I think it's an exciting project too, I maybe support it a little bit but I would prefer to hold off until the next year. We have, we're trying to put into place a way to support community events and I think it, they're certainly going to need money next year to sustain it and I think it would be great if they come to us at our next budget talks and ask us for an amount and we put it along the list with everything else. Atkins/The budgets you just adopted is in affect July 1 so you almost have three choices, you could pay for it out of your current budget, which would have to come from working capital. It could be a contingency and/or economic development financed item after July the 1 st or we could wait until you do the budget, next budget cycle which is 6-7 months away. Wilburn/Ernie you had mentioned that they had received some state moneys that, I haven't talked to them and the letter doesn't really say what their overall plan for if we don't provide this amount of funding, where does this fit with the funding that they've been trying to pull up? Lehman/I don't have a clue if you want to know the truth. I got the same letter you got, I know that they have received money from the state some time ago and then the City of Coralville gave them $20,000 what a couple three months ago. Vanderhoef/State Historical Society gave them $10,000 and State Economic Development gave them $50,000. Kanner/50? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 11 Vanderhoef/Yes. Lehman/How about Convention Tourism Bureau? Vanderhoef/Well they're real excited about it but as far as I know they have not asked for a grant from there but I would think that there would be some. Lehman/I would think that would be their first choice but. Pfab/That was when it was brought up to me I said why don't you go there to get it and I don't remember the exact response it was but I am very reluctant. I'm not opposed to the project but I am very reluctant to take it out of city budget. I mean any really but if you go economic development I think that that's a logical place if we're going to support it by (can't hear). Lehman/Well do we have four people who are interested in supporting it? Champion/Yes. O'Donnell/Yea. Lehman/1, 2, 3. Kanner/You're saying at the present time? Lehman/Well I think we need to decide if we have an interest in supporting it and then decide what level. Pfab/Well I have interest in supporting it. Kanner/Yea, sometime, yea. Pfab/Subject to you know, not unconditionally. Lehman/All fight then, well. Pfab/I mean I support it but how are we going to pay for it and where is it going to come from? Lehman/Well OK then the second question is to what level. The request was for I think approximately $50,000. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 12 Pfab/Could, might you change the (can't hear) order of questions and ask where the money's going to come from first and then what level. Lehman/I don't think it makes any difference. Pfab/OK. Lehman/But I don't believe that they're anticipating receiving what they ask for. O'Donnell/20-25 Ernie, that's, Coralville gave $20,000. Champion/(Can't hear) $20,000 a lot of money, you know if that was going to be the single commitment but I'm sure they'll be back. Wilburn/I just need to know more information. Pfab/What was your? Wilburn/I, I've, I'm, I have a lack of information about what it is their, ifI had some more information what they decided the number of visitors, I don't know. Are those people that are, are they coming from out of town, is it people just around the immediate area. Vanderhoef/It's some of both is what I've heard in the (can't hear) process. Letunan/I think their anticipating that they will, that this will be, a fairly big draw, you know that's. Vanderhoef/The point is to get it protected before. Pfab/Is it in serious danger if we don't, if we don't put money in it, is it in serious danger of not surviving? Lehman/I don't have any idea. Pfab/I think that's probably what Ross is talking about. Champion/It's going to survive, it could be washed away again I suppose but I think people are walking off of parts of it. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 13 Vanderhoef/I think that's the bigger concern right now is getting it laid out so that it isn't damaged by people who are coming because the people are coming. They had over 100,000 visitors last year according to one of the people on the committee. Champion/I don't know where that information came from but that's what the Kennedy's said. Vanderhoef/The Corps of Engineers has been putting in some of this kind of information. Champion/The thing about it is I think it's a worthwhile project for the area and it's something realistic, it's obtainable and it will be used. It's not like that horrible thing that Cedar Rapids is talking about doing or maybe their not talking (can't hear). Pfab/Well maybe it's complementary. Vanderhoef/The other thing that I asked about specifically was the maintenance of this and the understanding was that the Corps of Engineers will maintain it and this came from John Castle in talking with this committee who were doing the fundraising that they wanted, that they would take over the maintenance of it. Pfab/I would be happy to support it if it came out of economic development or tours type of promotion but out of the city budget I have difficulty. Vanderhoef/In fact. Lehman/Well whether it comes out of economic development or not it's still city money. Vanderhoef/Sure. Pfab/But that has already been taken out of the other budget and. Vanderhoef/In fact, let me read it, I'm not sure that it's on here but I believe that they the Visitor and Convention Bureau gave a grant for them to put together some of their brochure materials. Do you remember on that one for sure? Lehman/I don't remember that, I think that. Vanderhoef/That last grant go around just before I went off the committee it seems like they maybe they did get some dollars. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 14 Pfab/I understand that the engineering work is donated, the legal work was donated. Champion/Right. Vanderhoef/There are a lot of people who are supporting this with in kind. Pfab/It 's really one that has kind of captured the imagination of the public and those who are, have the means to support it and have an interest in it you know I do not wish to get to far in the way but to take it out of the city budget is just out of the operating budget I would get very uncomfortable. Vanderhoef/It was the corps that put in for the grant. man/For the convention bureau you mean? Vanderhoef/The corps yea. Wilburn/Wait a second, I could go along with this. I'm wondering about I was reading, I didn't hear an amount, I was thinking maybe, would anybody entertain the same level that Coralville supported? Lehman/I would, I can. Champion/It was $20,0007 Lehman/$20,000. Kanner/I'd like to see a formal presentation, we had one letter in the paper, I'd like to see, we didn't hear any anmunt except sitting through the mayor an informal figure of $50,000. I'd like to see ifthere's any way that Iowa City can be listed as a sponsor perhaps more so than individual sponsors. I'd like to see what we get perhaps in some physical terms before we agree to give money and so at this time I wouldn't vote for $20,000 1 would wait to see that we got more information, prefer to wait until next year. And if we have to take it out of the economic development money. Champion/Well I don't give money and say I have to have credit for it somehow. Pfab/Kind of piggy backing off what Steve said. I would encourage them to come in a sense to a public hearing. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 15 Lehman/Why don't we just get the information, we get so much stuff at meetings anyway. Pfab/No but I mean that would give them a chance to make a presentation in public and it would find out where the support is and there might be a lot more private support out there than we're aware of. Lehman/I don't think there's any problem getting correspondence from them telling us where the what the budget is and where the money's coming from. I mean they can certainly write us a letter with that affect. O'Donnell/Why don't you see if we have four of us first Ernie that are interested in supporting this to the tune of $20,0007 Lehman/Do we have four people who want to contribute up to $20,0007 O'Donnell/Yes. Champion/I'm willing to contribute $25,000. Vanderhoef/So would I. Champion/Can we start at 257 Lehman/You have four people that are willing to go 20, let's not, we're not going to have an auction. So we've got four people who are interested in going to 20, how do we want to do it and when do we want to do it? Steven wants to do it next year, Irvin I don't know what you want. Pfab/My concern is that it comes from the general budget, if it comes out of the economic development that's fine. Champion/Steve, maybe Mr. Atkins can explain to me a little bit about. Atkins/Suddenly so formal. Champion/I know it, about economic devel0pment money and what would be available. Atkins/If you remember when we set up the economic development account we took money's from our utility accounts to seed that budget and one of the early decisions that the committee would have to make is what's going to have to be This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 16 repaid and what's not going to have to be repaid. The money is available in the economic development account to cover this expenditure if you so choose. Champion/And tell me about the reserve fund. Atkins/If you went to our working capital reserve particularly now, we're getting ready to close out the books, our contingencies are practically exhausted so I would have to go to working capital in order to come up with this if you were to pay this before July 1 st. I certainly prefer not going to working capital. Champion/I agree. Atkins/Now after July 1 we have a new budget and a new contingency and you can cover that account but. Champion/OK. Atkins/It's just a matter of when you would pay the thing not if. Lehman/Well it sounds to me that there are four people who are willing to give $20,000 after the 1 st of July. Is that? Champion/That's fight. Lehman/And we can decide where it's going to come from when we commit. Atkins/Do you want any other, I've heard you talk about having them come into town, to visit with you, anymore (can't hear). Lehman/Well I don't think, I would be interested I guess a little bit with Steve and Irvin I'd like to see where their contributions are coming from, I mean they've gotten rather, they've gotten a lot of money, it would be interesting just to see what groups of folks are supporting them although I don't see that that's going to affect whether or not we're going to support them. We've got four people who. Atkins/Are you asking for other information from them or? Lehman/Yea just. Champion/I'd rather not to have information. Lehman/You would. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 17 Champion/I would like not to have their information. Pfab/What was it you said Connie? Champion/I would like not to have another information, I think we have a lot of information and it can be that we have so much information that it still doesn't help you make a decision. O'Donnell/Well you know it's only been there 6-8 million years it's worth a small consideration to keep it going. $20,000 I'm willing. Atkins/$20,000 are here four of you, payable after the 1st of the year, we'll ask them for some additional information if they choose to do so, if they do, if they don't they don't. Kanner/Steve where's this on the agenda for? Atkins/It is not Steve. That's my next question is that. Dilkes/It's under correspondence. Lehman/It's under correspondence. Atkins/Oh correspondence, I'm sorry. Champion/Steven the problem with waiting a year to do it is their having a big drive now and if you remember we decided that all these groups that come to ask us for money we're going to get a group and it's not going to be us that's going to listen to all of them and help us distribute this money. So I'd like to not put it off, that would be another whole year from now. Kanner/Well as Council Member Mike O'Donnell said it's been here for how many million? O'Donnell/6-8 million but I also followed that up with I think it's worth protecting fight now. Lehman/I heard four people say we're going to do it so. Kanner/Be protected and Connie I think it's worth you know letting that process work and let everyone have an equal shot at that money that we're going to set aside. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 18 We had a lot of groups that came before us during the budget process and they had to come and make presentations and I think that's the very least we should ask of this group and get that kind of information. Pfab/I see another side then, if they come and make a presentation it gives them another access to publicity. Lehman/I don't disagree with you but I hear four people saying they are willing to give the $20,000 and I think that we should move on. O'Donnell/I'm ready. Pfab/Fine with me. Champion/OK let's go. Lehman/What's your next item Steve? 2). Item 2e(10). Mark Martin (Library Board of Directors) - request for joint meeting Atkins/Next item is OK for a joint meeting with the library board Monday next week. Lehman/A week from tonight at 6:30. Atkins/We couldn't get it on this one but next one. Champion/That's fine. Atkins/Are we OK for the 19th? Lehman/Yep. 3). Item 2e(8). Jennifer Glass (42 signatures) - traffic calming on East Court Street Atkins/The third item is that. O'Donnell/6:30 Steve. Lehman/It's a regular work session. O'Donnell/Oh. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 19 Atkins/We'll do it first, it's a regular work session on the 19th. The third item is the letter you received from the folks on East Court Street about traffic calming. What they proposed is not fit within the policy, it's (can't hear) and they specifically asked in affect to separate them out and deal with it at least in my mind, separate them out and deal with them differently. Lehman/If I'm not mistaken we've been told by staff or our policy has been that traffic calming devices measures are not used on arterial or collector streets, is that not correct? Atkins/Arterial only, Jeff's here he can fill you in. Lehman/OK Jeff. O'Donnell/We don't want to hear anything about chicanes. Davidson/When you set up the traffic calming program and remember it is just what you want it to be you specifically included collector streets but not arterials. And then there's a caveat in there and this is the one that affects this couple blocks of Court Street that if there's a traffic volume of 3,000 vehicles a day or greater that constitutes some level of arterial type traffic and therefore would be excluded from the program and we've had at least. Highland Avenue was just under the 3,000 and we do remember the experience that we had there was not particularly favorable. Lehman/Yes. Davidson/We also had a request from folks on Greenwood Drive up at the top of the hill where there are some single family residences near Benton Street and they were over 3,000 and were excluded from the program. Kanner/What's the projection of reducing traffic once you put in traffic calming? Davidson/Well coincidentally we are presently resurveying the College Street Washington area because it's about a year later after those were installed and in the case of those we do a measurement then a year later and there was a reduction in traffic volume and a slight reduction in speeds. Now I don't think you can contribute that entirely to the traffic calming devices but perhaps partially to the traffic calming devices. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 20 Wilburn/How does the width of this, I'm trying to think how does this compare to the College? Davidson/It's comparable, my guess would be it's probably a 31 foot wide street with parking on one side. Wilburn/OK. Davidson/As opposed to like Sheridan Avenue which is 25 feet and appears much narrower when you drive down it. Champion/But there is kind of traffic calming on Court Street, there are stop signs. Davidson/There's an all way stop at Oakland Street which was put in for school crossing and interestingly about it's been several years now but probably 8-10 years ago we did a measurement of that all way stop and found that and this has been supported also with national data that the speeds 200, I can't remember exactly but my recollection is about 200 feet further up the hill were faster after the all way stop was installed than before it was installed. The annoyed motorists factor there of having to stop at a stop sign that's not warranted and those are unwarranted stop signs. That they end up going faster when their 200 feet down the road. Champion/There' s a block a half. Davidson/What? Champion/There's only a block and a half. Davidson/Oh there's about 3 blocks there I think. Champion/Is there? Davidson/Yea. Vanderhoef/From the stop sign. Champion/For a stop sign. Davidson/There's a long block between Clark and Oakland and then there's a regular size block between Oakland or between Clark and Summit. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 21 Champion/So there's two blocks. Davidson/Yea so 2 ½. O'Donnell/2 ½. Kanner/Then what are possible calming devices that might be used on that street? Davidson/We haven't even taken a look at it Steven because they haven't been eligible for the program but we would look at the whole array, maybe not chicanes Mike. O'Donnell/No chicanes. Davidson/OK but we look at everything else, we sit down with the neighborhood when we're doing that and see what they like the idea of or in fact if they like the idea at all, I mean there may not, you'll recall the College Street Washington Street neighborhood was split about half favoring it and not favoring it. We decided to go ahead with those on a trial basis. Kanner/So just to clarify, this is just a request to be put in the ballgame to be. Davidson/To be considered. Kanner/To be considered. Davidson/It certainly doesn't mean that we would install traffic calming devices but we would simply go through the process that you've given us to go through. Champion/I have another suggestion, this is related but I think one reason I have problems with traffic calming when a group comes to us and neighbors oppose it is that it bothers me that if the majority rules, I think it's a major change and I would be a lot more supportive of traffic calming if it took a 60 percent the neighborhood. I mean we've had a problem, this Council has and the last. Vanderhoef/With (can't hear) to, are you talking about. Champion/The parking and with traffic calming because it's always kind of one vote you know or two votes in the neighborhood and it seems, it doesn't seem like you change something for simple majority like that. I'd like us to talk about that some time, that like if it were 60 percent of the neighborhood wanted it then I could rationalize it more or be more supportive of it that feel like I have to go out and make an excuse for why I'm looking at this again. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 22 Davidson/That was something that I don't think you were on the Council at the time Connie but when the program was established that was something very specifically that was discussed and the decision was made, we found examples out there in the rest of country that ranged from simple majority to 70-80 percent required. Champion/I think that's one reason why we have trouble with it as a Council though seriously is that it requires such a simple majority of that one vote. Davidson/Can be, once again ifthere's a majority that would like to change that, we certainly could change it. Lehman/Are you saying that this stretch of Court Street functions as an arterial? Davidson/The traffic count is over 3,000 which indicates, that 3,000 vehicles is not generated by the people who live on Court Street. Lehman/Oh no I'm well aware of that. Davidson/It's generated some by those people but most of the traffic is through traffic. Lehman/And it's functioning as an arterial. Davidson/Well it has through traffic on it that being the function of an arterial yes it has some characteristics of an arterial street. Lehman/(can't hear) in Eleanor's office by any chance? Champion/I can tell you that because I live there. Lehman/No it was just a simple question, does it function like an arterial7 Champion/(Can't hear). Davidson/Yes, the answer to that question is yes, but it's not on the arterial system. Lehman/OK. Vanderhoef/It's the closest bridge. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 23 Lehman/So what's your pleasure? Are we interested in trying to do something with a street that' s functioning as an arterial? Champion/Yes. Lehman/Or do we want to leave it alone? Kanner/Well I think let them look at it, it doesn't mean we're ultimately going to say yes but. Lehman/It doesn't mean we're going to say yes but if the street is functioning as an arterial fight now and we say go ahead and look at it we are in affect saying we are going to look at a street that is functioning as an arterial and in the past we have said we will not do traffic calming on arterials. Davidson/What we will do is start the traffic calming process with this neighborhood if you direct us to do so. Champion/But it's not an arterial. Lehman/But it's functioning as an arterial and we know that so by telling them to move forward I think we're telling those folks in the neighborhood that there is at least some interest on the part of Council. Champion/Oh I see. Lehman/For doing traffic calming on a street that's functioning as an arterial. Champion/(can't hear). Lehman/No I'm not, but I could be. manl/(Can't hear). Lehman/So what do we want to do? Champion/I think we should have them look at it. O'Donnell/I don't. Pfab/I have a question, I was trying to. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 24 Vanderhoef/I have no interest in it, it's, I'm sorry, it's part of our whole transportation system and when we only have two bridges that cross the railroad tracks, one is at First Avenue and the next one is Summit Street and you live some place in the middle, that is functioning as an arterial getting to a bridge so you can get across the railroad tracks. Champion/Burlington is an arterial, it's like a halfa step away as some of the others are. Vanderhoef/But if you live in the Grant and Rundell and all those areas your going to be passing through there to get across to south of town. Champion/Well I think they (can't hear). Vanderhoef/They're not going to go all the way east to First Avenue. Lehman/How many would like to look at it? Champion/I would like to look at it. Davidson/I saw two. Lehman/That's two. Champion/OK. Lehman/OK, what's next Steve? 4). Bar Owners meeting Atkins/The third item is, you don't need to do this tonight but. Lehman/I'm sorry, yes. Atkins/Are we OK? Lehman/I don't know but go ahead. Pfab/Shut off the lights, never mind. Atkins/You need to schedule a bar owners meeting, you don't have to do it tonight but by next meeting. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 25 Champion/We should do it. Atkins/We're going to have to get that settled because we need to get letters out and notices. You meet this next week on the 19th and 20th and you do not meet again until July 17-18. O'Donnell/I would like to get the letter out. Champion/We need to. Atkins/Well we need to have a date on it, I'd like to have a date on it. Vanderhoef/Everybody got their calendars? Let's do it. Lehman/I don't have my calendar. Do you have your calendar? O'Donnell/You don't have to have a calendar, you don't have any life, just fight a date down and do it. Kanner/Steve how much time do you need? Atkins/It's really very much up to you guys I mean, you never even really settled in on an agenda yet. Kanner/No not the agenda, how much time after the letter goes out, two weeks is that reasonable time? Atkins/I think that's very reasonable Steve sure. And the letter's been drafted, Ernie has to finish it up so it can get out. Champion/We need to get moving on this. Atkins/There's no reason it can't go out this week. Champion/Any Tuesday or Wednesday would work for me, without my calendar here. Lehman/How about the 1 lth of July? Champion/The 1 lth of July. Lehman/Is a Tuesday? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 26 Atkins/Connie do you need this? Would that help? Pfab/The 1 lth of July, what time? Champion/Oh the 11 th of July. Lehman/Well I would assume we'd probably do it at 6:30 at night. Champion/That would be fine, the 1 lth that's fine. O'Donnell/When is the 1 lth? Lehman/Tuesday. Champion/It's a Tuesday. O'Donnell/Tuesday, let's do that. Lehman/1 lth of July, we've got a date. Pfab/And what time again? Lehman/6:30. Atkins/You want to schedule it to end at 8:30? Pfab/If we had an altemative I'd appreciate something besides that, 6:30 or later or maybe 7, I'd be happy with 7. Lehman/We can do 7, there's no reason it has to be 6:30, 7:00 on the July 1 lth Tuesday. Champion/July 11, and 9:00 can we have a deadline and have a. Lehman/We can sure try. Atkins/I think in the letter you need to say what the rules are. 7-9. O'Donnell/7-9. Atkins/7-9 bar owners July 1 lth. Lehman/Right. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 27 Atkins/OK I'll work with Ernie and get that put together. That's all I've got. Lehman/OK. Other agenda items. 5). Item #5. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING AN INVITATION TO SELECTED EASTERN IOWA ARTISTS FOR THE PUBLIC ART COMPONENT OF THE NEAR SOUTHSIDE TRANSPORTATION CENTER. Kanner/Karin I've got a question about the selection of the artists. Why are we doing a select invitation for the ramp, the Burlington ramp artists and not an open selection? Or an open selection with also specific invitations to those five? Franklin/It's probably the most compelling reason is the time element, it's a combination of that time element and wanting to have eastern Iowa hopefully very close to Iowa City artists because this is trying to get the artist on board with the architectural team at the very beginning of the project. We are fight now in the midst of the concepts being put together by the architect of the spaces and how they're to be arranged and it's important when you are going to integrate art into a building that you start very early in terms of getting the artist and the architect working as a team. As you know with the transportation center the funding came up last October probably to much of our surprise and we've been moving rather quickly on that to get that project going. So I think that's probably, the timing is the main reason, the other part in having an eastern Iowa artist not only wanting to have an Iowa artist involved is something that the committee is trying to do with all of their projects but also to have someone who is close by because our architect is in Cedar Rapids and Iowa City that we also have the artist be someone local who can work with them again to create this team. O'Donnell/It makes sense. Kanner/We could have an open call to eastern Iowa artists. Franklin/An open call generally takes about two months to execute in terms of getting that all out and giving people response time, what's enabled with the invitational is to make immediate personal contact and see who it is that can respond. The interviews on this are schedule for June 291h which is very quick turnaround from your hopeful approval tomorrow night. Kanner/And the other question is about the budget, you're asking for $50,000, what year budget is that coming out of?. Is that over multi-year? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 28 Franklin/Well it's likely, first of all the $50,000 is one half of one percent of the project and this was just an estimate that was done by the architect. But we needed something to work with as a ball park figure. Remember to that 80 percent of this will be paid for by the FTA grant and we're staying undemeath that $12 million dollars for the total project. So that means that $40,000 will come from the FTA grant and $10,000 will come from the public art budget. It's likely that no more than $5,000 of that would come in this next fiscal year because what we will paying for at the beginning would be just design fees and the time of the artist working with the architect as opposed to the actual fabrication execution of whatever it is. So that will come out of subsequent budgets, right now with the schedule for the transportation center we're looking at a start construction date of January 2002 right, and completion in 2003 so the expenditure for the actual development and installation of the art would be in that time frame so we're talking about subsequent fiscal years. Kanner/OK. Pfab/I have a question while you're saying that there' s not a lot of time for open invitation, is there any set limit that you can't make it shorter and have an open invitation and get it out into the public domain rather than invitation only? Franklin/I don't understand that question Irvin, make what shorter? Pfab/If you went to open invitation process of soliciting that it would normally take longer. Franklin/Yes. Pfab/Are you better off with a shorter open invitational rather than, I'm wondering if it's maybe, if we can't do a perfect open invitation maybe we should do the best we can considering the time constraints. Franklin/Well you either do an open competition where you identify an area that your going to canvass to solicit proposals or do a selected invitational, these are in the procedures that were just adopted, the selected invitations where you have identified a number of artists to whom you would send this invitation and then there' s a direct invitational in which you are asking one artist because you really like their work to do a particular thing. This one is in that second category of a selected invitational in that there will be a select number of artists that will be invited to make proposals or present qualifications and come for an interview. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 29 Pfab/I guess I'm uncomfortable for someone who may be new to this, that may not have, or not gotten into that domain of selected invitations. Franklin/Well, it's a matter of you can't. Pfab/I'm not opposed to. Franklin/There' s this choice of how to do these and sometimes you will use the selected invitational sometimes you'll use the totally open competition. Lehman/Karin, am I understanding correctly that this process is being elected by the committee because of the time constraints involved in designing the building? Franklin/Yes. Lehman/That if that design work is going to be starting in the next, sounds to me like in the next 4 weeks or so or 5. Franklin/It's already started. Lehman/That we want the artist on board from the outset to get the best input for the work. Franklin/The concept, yes. Lehman/Which means that we don't have time to go to a general call. Franklin/Right, the concept has to be back to FTA by the end of September beginning of October. The art component of it has to be in there because FTA has to approve it. Lehman/All right I understand. Franklin/And I think probably one of the complications is use the federal money makes it a little more complicated than other projects. Champion/We also just approved these bylaws at our last meeting didn't we, I mean this was very recently and approved those 3 methods of attracting artists for different projects. I mean we're second guessing the committee on something that we just approved that they could do. Pfab/Well but it's only one of three, we approved all three of them. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 30 Champion/Right. Pfab/So it doesn't mean that we're limited to one, I'm suggesting that we're trying to open up this process and make it wide open to say here's the priority we have to work under. You have to do this, you have to do this, you have to do this and you can still, now does that also preclude you from also sending invitations to some of them? Franklin/No of course not because when you send out an open competition which you are sending them is an invitation to send a proposal. Pfab/OK. I don't, I'm not comfortable with what I understand but I mean I'll understand it completely and that's fine, but that you get my point. Franklin/I think as I told the committee it would be totally inappropriate to do a selected invitation all the time, totally inappropriate because most of the times when we can we should go out for the open competition. And we have done that, we did that with Weather Dance, we're doing it with the sculptures for the downtown sculpture pads. Pfab/My problem is, is that, should we, this is a harsh term, punish the unknown artist that isn't on the invitation list because we have a problem, that we don't have a lot of time? (END OF 00-67 SIDE 1) Vanderhoef/Irvin for me this is the one time that I can see where it is important to have the artists close by and someone who can travel quickly and be on call to work with the architect, and I'm comfortable with it in the kind of art that their going to be doing. For a sculpture kind of thing I don't think this method would be something that I would choose either. But I think it's real important since we're trying to get into a new kind of art that is integrated in to the building design itself that this real important and it gets a lot more expensive the minute we start having an artist travel from far away to try and come in and keep going with an architect. Pfab/OK, OK, my question is as we filter, are we filtering out somebody that would qualify being in the area that will not receive an invitation? Champion/Probably. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 31 Lehman/We don't know but Karin tomorrow night when this item comes up you'll be here or not? Franklin/I will be yes. Lehman/I would like you to explain as soon as we get a motion to approve this why we are doing this and you've also indicated that this is not the sort of procedure that would be normal but under the circumstances and time constraints this is the procedure that the committee has chosen as being the one that would work the best. Franklin/OK, be glad to. Lehman/But I think the public needs to understand that this is not a normal way of doing it. 6). Item 20. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING TIlE DESIGN OF TItE EXTERIOR SIGNAGE TO THE OLD CAPITOL MALL TOWN CENTER ON CLINTON STREET. Atkins/Ernie I forgot I had an item also, Item 20 is the signage, that I wondered what all that was about, well he's out here in the audience to tell you what that's all about, John Shaw. Champion/Oh right. Atkins/Item 20. Lehman/Is that, what we. Champion/Old Capitol Mall. Lehman/Is this what we've got here? Karr/Yes it's one of the same. Arkins/So John' s here to answer if you have any questions. O'Donnell/I think it's great, beautiful. Champion/It looks like public art. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 32 Atkins/John you'll have to step to the microphone. John Shaw/The signage that you see over there was brought in because I struggled a bit with Design Review to explain to them exactly what we were going to do with the Lexan signs over the canopy. You've got a picture of the canopy, drawing of the canopy in there and that occurs six places on the east side of the building, they will have individual shop names, Osco Drug per say, individual shop names. And I had a bit of difficulty explaining to them what this thing was going to look like so I felt that we would bring the verbial picture in and save a thousand words. Wilburn/This is? Shaw/Yes, yea. Kanner/Ross could you hold that up where this is. Shaw/So what you see indicated in the ligther profile there is the Lexan sign, the color you see in back are the existing brown metal panels now that will be repainted hopefully to simulate age copper if I can get our painters to do a little bit better than they are doing right now. Champion/I'm glad you brought that. Vanderhoef/So the lighting is coming up from the bottom? Shaw/Yes, yes. Pfab/That's neat. Champion/It is neat. Vanderhoef/Yea I like that. Kanner/And so this was approved by appropriate committees. Shaw/This went through Design Review and received an unanimous approval. Lehman/All right, good show. Shaw/OK, thank you. Vanderhoef/Thank you for bringing it. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 33 7). ITEM 22. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO SIGN AND THE CITY CLERK TO ATTEST AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF IOWA CITY AND DIGITAL TELEPORT INC. TO USE A PORTION OF CITY STREETS AND PUBLIC RIGHTS-OF- WAY FOR THE INSTALLATION, OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF A FIBER OPTIC NETWORK. Vanderhoef/I have one question for Eleanor, on 22 on the installation of the fiber optic works. I take it there's no way we can charge a fee for this? Dilkes/We can recover management costs and that will be part of the ordinance when we put it in affect and this agreement is subject to that ordinance when we put it in. Vanderhoef/OK that helps. And the other thing that I probably missed it but what about the failure of a business or the abandonment of these fiber optic wires and the requirement to remove them? Is there something there that I missed? Dilkes/I'd have to, I'll have to look at the agreement I didn't approve it so. Lehman/Well I guess I have a question on that. Dilkes/I think there probably is something in there but I'll have to check the agreement. Lehman/To remove them? Dilkes/Well if it's abandoned. Vanderhoef/Well if they're abandoned that they have a responsibility to remove. Lehman/I don't know why, why would we want to do that? Vanderhoef/Because nationally this has been turning into a large problem with (can't hear). Lehman/Oh really. Dilkes/Dee the ordinance will definitely deal with that issue. Vanderhoef/OK. Good. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 34 Lehman/But if things for example under a street and they went out of business were going to make them tear the street out to get rid of the wires? Dilkes/No I think not necessarily, I think you just have to provide for what happens in that event. Lehman/Well yea I mean it would seem to me that the costs associated with having to tear the system out would be but I think there's a lot more to it than just that. Vanderhoef/There seems to be some problems of even laying new lines and never removing old lines until it gets to be a real tangle of abandoned. Dilkes/Dee if you want me to look at the specific agreement I'm going to have to take some time. In terms of the telecommunications ordinance that will deal with all those issues. Vanderhoef/OK and so you think we're OK for through this one? Dilkes/And they will be subject to this to that. Lehman/All fight. Vanderhoef/Pending with that, OK that's fine I just want to be sure what we're getting into with these. Lehman/Other agenda items. 8). ITEM 24. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING CABLE VISION VII INC.'S REQUESTED RATE INCREASE AND ESTABLISHING A MAXIMUM PERMITTED RATE FOR BASIC CABLE SERVICE. O'Donnell/Well number 24, that other rate increase. You hear that other cities are receiving more and paying less and I don't know how much facts that and there is attributed to that but we. Wilburn/Do we have any comparisons? O'Donnell/Do we have any comparisons? Lehman/Well I guess do we have any choice? O'Donnell/Do we have? Well I would say. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 35 Lehman/I don't know. Helling/I think the answer to both of your questions probably no we don't have a formal comparison, we've never done that to see what other AT&T systems you know it depends on a lot of different variables in the area but we also, as long as their rates, their basic rates are within the FCC prescribed formula for the maximum permitted rate we have no leverage. Lehman/So we don't have a choice? O'Donnell/That's too bad. Lehman/It also seems strange that we are asked to vote on. O'Donnell/We also don't have competition. Lehman/Well it seems strange we have to vote on something we have to do. Helling/You, yea, the approval part is just acknowledging that they do fall within the maximum per minute rates. And then the other part of this is your setting a maximum per minute rate which is different than what the cable company has calculated but that's based on the information we have. You know if they want to challenge that they can, they have in the past, but I think the primary purpose of this is to set the maximum per minute rate as we see it and as we calculate it because it is the basis for future calculations in years to come. O'Donnell/That happens when you're the only game in town. Pfab/That's why I suggested (can't hear). Lehman/(can't hear). Pfab/The part that always bothers me is they say that the supply, it costs more to get the programs but when you look behind the curtain your finding out that their buying basically for themselves so they mark up their programs and then they say it costs us more to get the programs, that's, but I, I don't know what the solution is except our own cable, our own fiber optic lines. Champion/Well the other thing is people do have the option of not having cable in their home, it's not like electricity. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 36 Pfab/True. O'Donnell/True. 9). ITEM 23. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF IOWA CITY AND THE IOWA CITY ASSOCIATION OF PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGTHERS, IAAF, AFL-CIO, LOCAL NO. 610, TO BE EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2000, THROUGH JUNE 30, 2001. Kanner/Dale I had a question about Item 23, the fire figthers contract. How did negotiations go and was there anything that the city or the fire figthers asked for that they didn't get? Champion/I don't think we should discuss that? Kanner/Why not? Lehman/Well is that appropriate for an open meeting, or should that be in executive session, City Attorney? Dilkes/You all can decide, if you want, my advice is when you want to discuss negotiation and strategy that that is, should be done in closed session. But you all are the ones who would decide whether to go into closed session and there's no requirement that you go into closed session so, it's up to you all. O'Donnell/I don't want to discuss it. Lehman/Well I think if we do want to discuss it we certainly if you would like to do that we can schedule a closed session to do it. Kanner/My first preference would be to do an open session, I think this is not harmful to negotiations to know what's out on there on the table. I think there's a number of municipalities that do it more of an open session. I think it's good to know that and then we'll be more informed as Councilors and I think it would be more helpful on the vote to have that open discussion and I think it's better for the City. I think it's OK to ask for things that we don't get and find out what they were and see then have public debate in the future about whether we want to give in or give that to the future. Lehman/In other words, are you suggesting that the Council should be involved in negotiating the contract with the unions? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 37 Kanner/I think there should be more involvement. Lehman/I absolutely do not agree with that, now the rest of you Council folks may but I think that we have a program that works very well with Dale and with the unions and I really am not interested unless at some time I feel like we're doing, we're not doing the job we should do. We can certainly communicate that to Dale but I am not interested personally in the Council being involved in negotiations of contracts. Kanner/I think there are different levels Ernie, it doesn't have to be 100 percent one way or another and I think there are other models of how it can be done that are more open and perhaps can be even better. I think, it looks like we do a good job but I just don't have all the information that I need. That I think it would be more helpful. Lehman/Have you talked to Dale? Kanner/What's that? Lehman/Have you talked to Dale? Kanner/No. Lehman/I really think that I would start there. Kanner/But I think it's also something that's good for public discourse, I think that's even more important, to have some of this public discourse. This is public money and it's very important to get the public involved and us as representatives in that body as a public body to have some discussion I think it's real important Emie. Lehman/I disagree, I think that employment matters are not public matters and I think those things are best handled by those folks who are trained to do negotiations. Dale do you do negotiations? Pfab/At this point I would support your position Ernie. Lehman/I don't think it's appropriate. Dale you do negotiations, you tell us how, and in fact your work if these sort of things are partially, one of the reasons I have a problem is that once you start discussing one item pretty soon you discuss everything publicly. I, is that going to interfere with your process? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 38 Helling/Well I think that the process is such that, when you negotiate anything you go in with certain things in mind that you don't share with the other side before you do that. Lehman/And so do they. Helling/Sure, sure. Basic kinds of things like you know are there things that we each put on the table that we don't get or that fall off the table, sure of course they are. If you want to get into those details and start talking about priorities and strategies then I think it's appropriate to do it in a closed session. In terms of an assessment of how the negotiations went, that's always a matter of perspective, and I don't know that that's something that, I guess it's something that different sides are going to share different perspectives. I noted in the comment that this is an arbitrated settlement in this case so that we obviously didn't agree on as many things as quickly as we did with the police where we got a three-year contract voluntarily. That doesn't mean it went bad it just means that it was a different process. I think when you start talking about strategies, when you start talking about the city's position on anything, what our ultimate position should be, I think it should be done in a closed session otherwise negotiations are going to be something other than negotiations and their not going to be as effective. Champion/The other problem with discussing in a public session is that these same things that fell off the table or didn't get approved by one side or the other, this year may become bargaining you miss again next year and I think it's foolish to enter into those things with some pre prejudice view. It's a, when you are involved in negotiations as a goveming body those negotiations are never discussed publicly, never, at least any that I've been involved with for good reason because I mean the same things that your talking about this year may come next year and I think it's inappropriate for us to be discussing anything with negotiations at in the public. I think we treat our employees well and I think that they would agree to that, and of course they're not going to get everything they want and we're not going to get everything we want. That is not, negotiations are compromises. Wilburn/If I were a, this is just a personal note, if I were a full time city employee I would be, I would be uncomfortable with the volatility of, I mean we're the political figures, I would be uncomfortable with those type of negotiations, my livelihood, my salary being that volatile as who's on Council and so I think given our form of government it adds some stability to have the professional staff negotiating those types of things so I wouldn't be interested in. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 39 Lehman/And the other thing that I think is important and Steven I think this is probably as critical as anything. If we were to discuss our position on a labor contract without the other side discussing their position publicly I think there is a distinct disadvantage to one side. And I don't think that anybody's kidding anything that both sides are going to publicly tell everybody what their positions are and given that fact it would seem to me it would be terribly cornpromising to people you represent by placing your position in the public and asking the public to discuss it when the other side is not going to place their items to the public. Kanner/I just think that when I'm voting on something I like to take more of a leadership role in a public leadership role in being part of it, and again I think there are other models and maybe that' s one thing that we can get from Dale of look at what other cities do of comparable size and how they operate and come back and discuss this a little more if we want to change some of the negotiation strategies. Champion/They're not our employees actually, I mean they're employees of the city are. Lehman/They are employees of the city manager. Champion/Right, they are employees of the city manager and that's another big difference, is their, I'm not interested but. Lehman/Well at this point if that's something we want to discuss for future we can do that but for the time being it doesn't change. Pfab/The only thing I was going to say if we're, since this is a contract coming up for approval, I don't think this is the time to discuss it. Lehman/No it's been agreed to. Pfab/And these are vigorous negotiations and well represented and. Lehman/But Steven's point I think is well taken if the Council chooses to become involved we must become involved prior to the contract being reached. Pfab/Right, that was my. Lehman/Once the contract is reached and agreed to by both parties that's kind of a poor time to be stepping in so. Pfab/But the point that you might work if we decide four of us decide we want to do this then later on in the year before you get into negotiation part that might be all right. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 40 Kanner/Just one last, I think it's kind of like the goal setting that we did recently is we're setting general direction to start with and I think we can do a little more of that with the negotiations but then our negotiators can take into their negotiations. Lehman/OK I think we can talk about that. Eleanor. Dilkes/Dee on the agreement with Digital Telecorp. there is a paragraph on abandoned facilities on section 9. Vanderhoef/Thanks. Dilkes/It essentially requires that they be removed but it would be in conjunction with other right of way repair so we wouldn't require them to go in and tear up the street simply to remove them. Vanderhoef/OK, but it wouldn't have anything to do with a failed company? Dilkes/It could. Vanderhoef/It could. Lehman/Other agenda items. We're going to take a quick break before we come back to appointments. (Break) Appointments Deer Management Committee Lehman/Appointments. The first one is Deer Management Committee, the last one meeting we appointed, was it Paul Emerson? Vanderhoef/Yes. Pfab/Yes, Paul Emerson. Lehman/Who did not apply as a hunter who has since said that he is a hunter, and would accept that position. Do we wish to stay with Mr. Emerson? Champion/Yes, sounds good, sounds very good. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 41 O'Donnell/Yes. Pfab/Very good. Lehman/The second one and I think there was a note in the packet from the Deer Committee indicating that the position of master gardener might be somewhat difficult to fulfill and because we have in the case of I think the PCRB where we ask for a certain expertise, person of certain expertise that we would take someone outside of the city that we could consider doing that for someone who' s an active gardener or whatever to take the place of the master gardener who we have not received an application for. What's your? Vanderhoef/I still would be interested in Linda and she moved outside into that fringe area obviously that' s an expertise there in gardening. Champion/Well she certainly would be qualified and we haven't had any other applications and I think we should, and I would support her just because I think we need to get that filled so they can get moving. She certainly deals with deer because she lives in the country. Lehman/Well she's also in the nursery business, where she has to deal with deer all the time. O'Donnell/Sounds like four people. Lehman/Irvin. Pfab/I thought we were, you're saying this person resides outside of the city? Champion/Yes. Vanderhoef/Yes. Pfab/I was thinking that we were gradually working our way back just to see citizens living in the city and what brought that up or what supported my feeling on that was that when this person from Coralville, the person moved to Coralville once that term was open we would just weren't going to reappoint her and see what was available. Lehman/I think we said that. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 42 Vanderhoef/We said that in conjunction with having another at large person. Pfab/I would rather not go outside the city, that's just my own personal feeling. No, no. O'Donnell/I like the knowledge that she would bring to this committee. Vanderhoef/That was what I read in the note and then I did talk to Lisa on that and the committee's feeling as she related to me was they were more interested in having the expertise of someone rather than having a boundary put on to where they live. Pfab/OK I guess I would ask you then since you have information that I don't have. What was the, you said the committee would rather have the expertise now, was there a vote on that? Lehman/Well it's in the packet. Vanderhoef/It's in the packet. Pfab/OK was there a vote on it that's what they would rather have? Vanderhoef/That's what they recommended to us. Lehman/That's what they recommended to the council. Kanner/I think ifthere's. Pfab/I missed that. Kanner/If there's, we're not finding that knowledge in the city I think then we look outside, but I think there's plenty of people, a lot of knowledge about gardening in general in Iowa City and my preference would be to look for that person first and if we don't find it then we go with outside the city if we have to. But I think we'll find someone if we specifically advertise for gardening expertise, we really haven't done that yet and I think we need to give that a shot and we did say that we were going to try to go with Iowa City people and I think we should stick with that decision that we made a couple weeks ago. Lehman/I don't disagree with that philosophy, my biggest problem is that the soonest we can possibly make that appointment is going to be July 17 and this committee's work should be well under way long before then and I think that might be from a time flame that might not be a very good idea for at least this committee. I mean I think they'd like to get their work pretty well under way by the 1 st of September. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 43 Vanderhoef/I agree and the other thing that I'll just report that I did make contact with the master gardener' s and then Lisa followed up on it and it was put in the newsletter for those folks so that they knew that we were looking for someone specifically with a master gardener credentials and no one has come by to apply with that so I think I'm real OK with Linda to sit on that committee. Lehman/What's the length? What's the term of the appointments we're making? I'm sorry I don't know. O'Donnell/That was in that too, was it? Kmmer/I'm not sure. O'Donnell/Was it two years? Vanderhoef/Well it's staggered. Karr/It's an ad hoc committee if you recall that discussion, and you just committed to the one year and then revisiting that. Lehman/I would not, I would favor to having Linda serve for the year, if it's only going to be the year. O'Donnell/That's four. Lehman/Who would? Pfab/For one year since you're getting (can't hear) I would not have an objection but I mean I would agree reluctantly but I would agree. Lelh-nan/From the time standpoint I think we really should do it. Vanderhoef/Get going. SEATS Lehman/All fight the SEATS Paratransit Committee. We need two people, Mike you are presently on the committee, who else do we have on that committee? Dee Norton. O'Donnell/We have the wonderful Dee Norton and he's since retired from the Council. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 44 Lehman/All fight would you care to consider to serve on the committee? O'Donnell/I would. Lehman/Who else would serve on it? Vanderhoef/I would serve on it? Lehman/Well we've got four, you only get two. Champion/(can't hear). Pfab/Get your flipping coin out. Kanner/Actually that might be a good solution, I think we're all qualified, I think just pick a number out of a hat would be all fight. O'Donnell/I'm not in favor of. Lehman/What's your pleasure? Wilbum/Not me. Pfab/Chicken. Wilburn/No, I'm committeed out. O'Donnell/I'd nominate Dee. Kanner/It's maybe time to get some new blood in there, I've worked with people that use SEATS quite a bit, I'm involved with the coalition, Johnson County Coalition people with disabilities and other past history so I'd. Lehman/Who else is on this committee? Pfab/Not to answer your question, it's something else, it should have been the idea of peace of harmony and this just body I'd be happy to withdraw my interest in this. Lehman/We're now reduced the field by 30 percent, 33 percent. Who else is on the committee? Or does Connie have two people? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 45 O'Donnell/Connie has two people, there's Bob Simpson, there's 11 or 12 of us, Marilyn Gelman. Lehman/Coralville has two or one. O'Donnell/Coralville has one city council member. Lehman/They've got one, we've got two, Connie's got two. O'Donnell/And the rest are citizens. Lehman/Just citizens appointed that make those appointments. O'Donnell/The county. Lehman/OK. Champion/I'll second Dee's nomination. Wilburn/I'll nominate Steven. Lehman/Do we have a second for Steven? Pfab/You don't need that Steven, you've got. Lehman/All right how many would support Dee Vanderhoefto be on the committee? All fight Steven thank you everybody is unanimous, I should fight that down so I can remember that tomorrow night. Karr/Is that the one year term or the two year? Lehman/One. Karr/You've got two appointments, one two year and one one year. Champion/Well I think it's two years because she has more than two years left. Lehman/I think we probably should make Mike the one year and. O'Donnell/(can't hear). Champion/We might not be here (can't hear). This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 46 O'Donnell/There's a chance I may not be in Iowa a year from now. No it's a very good committee, it's very rewarding and you leam a lot from this committee and I'd like to see every one on the Council serve at least one term on that because it is nice. Pfab/Well ifthat's the case. Lehman/Now he's going to withdraw his withdraw, cool it, cool it. O'Donnell/Emie let's move on. Lehman/OK Developmental Code Review. Karr/I'm sorry did we do Historic Preservation and HCDC or did I miss it? Wilburn/We didn't do it. O'Donnell/We didn't do it. Lehman/Oh, oh. Historic Preservation Committee Karr/You have no applications for Historic Preservation so I assume you readvertise. Kanner/What was that Marian? Karr/You have appointments for Historic Preservation Commission and you have no one apply for Historic Preservation. Kanner/Yes we do. Karr/I'm sorry. Kanner/Ann (can't hear). Vanderhoef/Who applied? Pfab/It's in the. Karr/It's in the next one. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 47 Kanner/Ann Freerks, is that how you pronounce the last name? Lehman/Well it's in here, I saw it. Kanner/She's our only applicant, and actually I think she's quite talented I think. Lehman/I think your right. Kanner/She'll be a good addition. Pfab/I move that we appoint her. Lehman/Do we have consensus on that? Champion/Right. O'Donnell/Certainly. Lehman/How do we spell her last name? Vanderhoef/Freerks. Lehman/Thank you. Housing and Community Development Commission Lehman/One appointment to fill, the term expiring 2001, it's a little over a year and we had two applications ifI recall. Wilburn/I would support April, what's her last name? Kanner/Gutting. Wilburn/Gutting, her personal background and life experience seem like it might. Lehman/How do you spell her last name? Wilburn/Gutting. Champion/Gutting. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 48 Lehman/Do we have four people who will support that? Champion/Yes. Lehman/Five, six, seven people. Kanner/Before we do an informal vote, they're both candidates and I'm going back and forth and I like the fact that she you know she's had these experiences in the system and she's going to bring that point of view which is good and also I want to say that Joe is working as a social worker, sees it from another perspective. Wilburn/It's to bad there's not two openings. Kanner/Yea I think he's very qualified too and if you feel strongly about April I would go that way and maybe for the next opening we can consider Joe. Lehman/OK, do we have agreement with that? O'Donnell/We already had agreement. Development Code Review Lehman/All right now we're to Development Code Review. Franklin/I would like to introduce Kirk Bishop to you from Duncan Associates, come on over here Kirk. I just wanted to put the face with the project, remind you what we're doing this Development Code Review for is to look at the consistency between our zoning and subdivision ordinance and our comprehensive plan. To look at areas in theses codes in which we can eliminate possibly anything which is deemed to be unnecessary and unnecessarily adds to the cost of housing and smooth out the codes in terms of their usage by ourselves and the public. And it's just good to have an outside look at these things periodically to clean them up and make them more useable and bring them into current usage. But the most important thing is the consistency with the comp. plan. Kirk's just going to tell you a couple things he's been doing now what the schedule is for this. Kirk Bishop/Thanks Karin, it's a pleasure to meet all of you. As she said my name is Kirk Bishop, I am here representing Duncan Associates, we're a firm that specializes in the development of land development regulations, zoning, subdivision controls for cities and counties throughout the United States. We're head quartered in Austin Texas, I'm from our Chicago office. We've kicked this project off the first of May so we're well under way now, this isn't my, I didn't This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 49 come to Iowa City cold, I spent 7 years here in the last 70's and early 80's so I'm getting reacquainted with the community. We're concluding now the what we call the background and reconnaissance phase, whenever we do a project like this, we like to talk to locals, people who know the existing regulations and the existing procedures well. That helps us really in two areas, it kind of gives us the lay of the land locally in terms of your values and your perspectives on things, and frankly it gives us an opportunity to steal some real good ideas that the locals have for things that might need to be changed. As I said we're now concluding that phase, we've conducted individual and small group interviews with 30, I guess 31 individuals throughout the community, and that ranges from staff from Planning and Community Development, Housing and Inspection Services, Public Works, City Engineers. We also talked to a number of representatives from the development and real estate community to get their perspective on the system and the existing regulations. With the two days that I'm spending here now focusing on neighborhood and environmental interest groups to gain their perspective on the existing system and any frustrations or opportunities they see for improvement on the system and I've talked to a number of the Planning & Zoning Commission members. From here we also sent out, I should mention some surveys to development communities and development community representatives and others who we didn't get a chance to individually but wanted to avail ourselves to sit down with them or for them to offer us any written comments and we sent out about 15 of those survey's for people who didn't have time to sit down with us and talk in general. From here we're going to take what we've learned during this background stage and now get into some real heavy independent analysis back in our own offices where we can sift through all of the documents and prepare a written report which we think we'll have done probably at least for administrative first review in August. Probably have a public version of that report out sometime in either late August or September is when I suspect that you'll be seeing it. We'll come to town to present our findings and take any questions that people have and really lay out a blue print for the types of changes, amendments, additions or corrections that the city might want to consider to better implement it's plan to remove those unnecessary regulatory barriers that help drive up the cost of housing and development. We'll identify changes, we have attorney's on our team who will help us identify any changes needed to bring the codes into compliance with changes and state and federal law. And because of our perspective working in other places we hope to identify a number of state of the art practices as used in other communities that you might want to consider as a community adopting. So I'm thankful for the opportunity to introduce ourselves, if any of you have questions or comments oyer time that you want to relay to us of course go through staff, we're happy to hear about anything. Thanks. Lehman/Thank you. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 50 Highway 6 Access and Traffic Signal (1P4 and 1P5 6/8 packet) Lehman/The Pepperwood Kmart area, I think we've had a request or some interest in adding a stop light at the intersection to the west of the Broadway stoplight for what is perceived to be better access to the Econofoods, Kinart area for I suspect to make development a little easier for that area. What's the feeling of the Council? This would be, it's my understanding anyway that the cost of the signalization and whatever is associated with that would be not a cost to the city. We are doing improvements to that road right now or will be shortly in the way of storm water work and some turn lanes and whatever which we would continue. And that of course would be our expense one way or the other, but the cost of any signalization or the intersection from my perspective would be a cost to the developer. I guess the question is are we amenable to adding an intersection to that street to help enhance that area and help the development or redevelopment of the Econofood? Wilburn/Have they given any indication as to the type of and level of redevelopment they're going to do? Lehman/I think we have someone here who can talk about that, Harry. Atkins/Harry' s in the audience. Lehman/Harry would you just step up to the microphone, and we'll take shots at you. Harry Wolff I am Harry Wolf, I am VP of Commercial Development for Southgate, I think you have in your packets the letter that was submitted to the City Council. In that we think specifically to the, well I guess not specifically just to the concept of redevelopment, as you all know the Pepperwood area has taken some serious setbacks over the last couple of years and lost of tenancy. On the flip side we're on the hills of a very aggressive redevelopment effort by Kinart and can bring this store into a their big new K concept so we think we have a lot of good things happening there but at the request not only of Kmart but of some perspective tenants, access has been raised as an issue and frankly it's, senior staff can tell you this is a discussion we've had for some 15 + years as far as a more direct access into that commercial area. Specifically to the question that we have planned, in the Kmart parking lot area specifically we do have plans for new lighting and new surfacing of that parking lot and that's why the timing here is critical as to Kmart's work because of the investment they made, their looking at the landlord to make an appropriate investment of the parking lot. We feel this is an issue that needs to be addressed before we spend that money on lighting and parking. So This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 51 the timing from a positive standpoint of helping Krnart finish it's work is important, on the heels of that positive activity we're dealing with the not only the Best Buy vacancy but now the Econofoods situation and we think the timing is opportune to not only continue the Kinart build out but open up some new opportunities for the Pepperwood Shops area. I can't publicly speak to those prospects we're working with but we have prospects that we're talking to, they've raised the issue, we've talked to them about this process of design going and they're anxiously awaiting some response so they can decide whether to make Iowa City a priority on their expansion plans. Lehman/You're going to redo the lighting on the parking lot? Wolff The lighting in the Kmart parking lot needs to be redone, it would be brought more into compliance with lighting. I mean that's, you know the Kmart is, was built in the last 60's so that lighting and parking lot are 30+ years old and we have talked to Kinart over many years about redoing the parking lot and lighting. We have talked to staff periodically about this access and one has lead to the other and we really again seeing the Kinart work going on and knowing about the Highway 6 project we thought this would be a good time to work jointly with the city and reengineering that area. Your comment, I mean the development, developer is clearly prepared to pay those appropriate expenses, we would I guess only ask that if there is some public resources available the city might help accommodate us. We don't know if there is any federal money, state money or whatever that might be available but we would ask the city to facilitate any applications for that but we feel that's pretty unlikely and more importantly I think it's more important that we do our work in conjunction with the Highway 6 work so that we don't have to redo something a few short years away. Lehman/Well your aware of work the city's going to be doing on that stretch of Highway 6, I mean we're really, I think over a period of three years we're going to spend $3 million dollars or more. I'm assuming that you'll be doing this normal level of work that you do that would be a very attractive intersection and entry way into your parking lot. WolFf That' s our intent yea. Lehman/I have a real concern with that part, you know that part of town has gotten some attention over the last couple of years and a lot of it has not been positive attention and I really feel that if we can do something to help that area development I certainly would be in favor of us doing. My understanding is obviously another curb or another intersection would require the approval of the Highway Commission, is that? This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 52 Atkins/DOT yes, sure it would. Lehman/DOT, and that's a matter of us applying and we would certainly, well obviously we'd have to make the application for that to occur. What's council's concerns? Vanderhoef/I have a couple questions on traffic flow and capacity of Highway 6 and I suspect Jeff has more figures on that kind of stuff. I recognize that we're close to capacity if not at capacity on this strip of Highway 6 which used to be a bypass and I recognize that traffic lights slow down traffic unless we can move forward, we've done a good job recently in signalizing and standardizing those signals so we move through. What do you anticipate the changes that might happen with one more light in there? Will we have to change speed limits? Will we decrease our capacity on that road? Jeff Davidson/Until we know more specifically what S outhgate's redevelopment intentions are and the traffic that's associated with it it's hard to say exactly what the impact will be. But I think all of us are aware, certainly Harry is aware that adding an intersection is going to decrease capacity, now to what degree is a function of the new tenants that they get in there and the amount of traffic and then the degree to which basically the fight of way is shared between the traffic that's oriented to the Pepperwood area and the through traffic on the highway. Vanderhoef/Do we have any kind of counts that show a decrease right now with the lack of retail activity in that area? Have we done anything recently? Davidson/Probably we don't have a count that would show that, I mean all of our counts show increased traffic in general in that part of town. We haven't taken, I'm not aware of any before and after counts unless you have them Harry that would show what the impact has been to that stretch right in front of Pepperwood. Wolff Nothing since the Best Buy or Econofoods, I shouldn't, I should take that back, I personally have reviewed I think it's the 94 traffic count versus the 98 and actually Highway 6 traffic is down from 94 to 98. Don't ask me why, I don't know, but I wouldn't think there would be a cause and affect result of anything that happened at Pepperwood per say but the traffic counts are actually sliding backwards a little bit of those two traffic counts. That's just an observation. Davidson/The highest volume part right now is between Gilbert Street and Riverside Drive, that's where that 30,000 count, in fact it's a little bit over 30,000, that's where that's recorded, it diminishes somewhat as you got either direction from there. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 53 Pfab/I would certainly be a support it as long as the city doesn't have to put funds into it and also the fact that there's plenty of places to stack turning lanes if we need that, I'm not sure how you do that. Davidson/I would imagine DOT would require tuming lanes to be part of the project. Pfab/Right, and so another words the flow of traffic can continue the best it can and still accommodate by stacking lanes or (can't hear). Davidson/Sure that would be the goal. Pfab/And long as the state was comfortable with, the state approved it I wouldn't have any, I would encourage it. Davidson/Yea as Ernie as indicated, it's up to you all, the state will pretty much defer this decision to you. Champion/Well I think they need it, I think. Vanderhoef/I do too. Champion/They don't have an access (can't hear). Pfab/It's a tremendous asset, it's, as it is fight now it doesn't work. O'Donnell/They do need it but anytime we do something that's going to slow traffic on that strip is going to affect in another area. Lehman/No question about it. O'Donnell/And I'm talking specifically of Highland and Kirkwood that might get burden of traffic if we slow this down any. Champion/But why would it slow traffic down? O'Donnell/Well another stop light Connie. Champion/Well you know I would still like to see it timed. O'Donnell/But that would have to part of this, if we could synchronize those lights to keep traffic moving. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 54 Lehman/Is the synchronization of the lights a city issue that we can do or is that something the Highway Commission? Davidson/We control, we control the lights. Lehman/We control the lights so we can synchronize those as would best handle the traffic. Davidson/We can manipulate the lights. Kanner/I have a question for Jeff and then for Harry. Right now City Council and JCCOG's is looking at ways to get children especially across Highway 6, I was wondering if you see any connection here with this light or anything in the future of how we could work these things together? Davidson/Yea certainly there are things we want to work together. The issues being so obtuse sort of right now makes it difficult to address that specifically. You know having a noah south green movement associated with the proposed intersection is an oppoaunity then to also coordinate pedestrians in a north south fashion. And you can with the median you can do that in two steps if you need to, of course the issue of an overpass is one that we really haven't fully developed yet but certainly we want to consider both of the issues together when we finally do get looking at the specifics of it. Kanner/Thank you. Harry I've got a few questions for you. One do you have an estimate probably a rough one of how much, let's say your filled up with tenants there what the increase would be because you have that light? Wolff I would say that the traffic at full occupancy which would be, let's say 3-4 years ago when Best Buy and Econofoods were functioning it's a level of traffic that we would anticipate in the future. I can't imagine a tenant mix that would be significantly more than that. Kanner/I'm saying with the new light, with the new entrance there do you suspect? Wolff Actually using that entrance. Kanner/Using the new light. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 55 Wolff No and actually that's part of, what we're seeking here frankly is a sense from Council that would support this so that we can move ahead with our planning, we have engineers. (END OF 00-67 SIDE 2) Wolff Waiting to produce the designs and the specifics that would answer those questions but frankly we don't want to incur the expense of doing that unless we sense a level of support from Council but that information would be some of the information that would be generated by that work. Kanner/And the other question have you looked into maybe supporting an extra bus route down there, I know we have buses that go there and maybe one or two extra routes. Wolff I think bus service historically has been very good in that neighborhood, I don't live there, I don't use the bus but I, from the standpoint of our commercial tenants, the rentals that we have down in that area, I think bus service is probably as good as it is in the city, I'm not suggesting that it's as good as it can be but as the activity increases I would hope to think that would be reevaluated. Kanner/So you'll look into maybe buses as a? Wolff I'm not sure that's something that we can do, I think certainly we would support it. Kanner/Well financially I'm saying. Wolff Financially I'm not sure we would be in a position to support it. Kanner/OK. Lehman/Other questions for Harry. What's the feeling of the Council? Is it something that we're? Vanderhoeff I want to pursue it. Pfab/Go. Lehman/Move forward sir. Wilburn/I also don't think that given that the 5:12 train isn't stopping or holding traffic there than my concern would be as the Great Pacific. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 56 Lehman/Yea. Kanner/Say it again Ross. Wilburn/The 5: 12, you know I used to take my daugther to Tae Kwon Do if we didn't leave by 5: 12 we would always get stuck by the trains that used to clog up traffic there so I don't, the traffic through the timing of lights would be you know smoother than what has been typically on that. Vanderhoef/(can't hear). Lehman/Right. Pfab/I believe that the traffic would probably improve yet traffic through it because so many times you have to (can't hear) and get in and out of Kmart or Best Buy, and this way you get them on the highway and their gone. Lehman/Well and I think that from the people who live in that area, the Broadway neighborhood, if I lived there I'd much rather exit on Broadway than have to mix my car with all those cars going into Econofoods or Best Buy and all the rest of it. So you really have a commercial entrance to a commercial area and Broadway then will turn back revert to basically a residential street. Pfab/But then also Keokuk too it wouldn't, when the shopping area was in full blast that really. Lehman/Well it should really lessen Keokuk too your fight. Pfab/That was the worst part. Lehman/OK thanks Harry. City Plaza Newspaper Vending (1P7 of 6/8 packet) Lehman/Steven are you addressing this? Atkins/I'll do my best. I sent a memorandum to you a couple weeks ago and I've shared this information with we hope most of the area immediate representatives. We now have the downtown kiosks, their finished, their ready to be used. And we have in place, in the (can't hear) place preceding everybody here at this table and including me a City Plaza ordinance. And what I'm proposing to you was an This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 57 Administrative procedure with respect to how to implement that ordinance. We did receive letters from ICON and a letter from Gazette publications both of which asking a number of questions, they appear to be mostly of an administrative nature and I need to answer those, I have not had a chance to get those answered for you all. But the bottom line is that we are proposing that the four kiosks was 7 coin operated rending machines, each having (can't hear) coin rending machines. And then those newspapers, advertising supplements whatever you call them that do not require the coin operation would be in news racks we would purchase as identified in the ordinance and that' s basically it. Champion/You won't have those funny little things sitting around. Atkins/The funny little things that are sitting around would go. Champion/Good. Lehman/From the plaza. Atkins/Now please keep in mind that this the plaza only. Champion/Right. Atkins/And that's a limited area and that's what this ordinance governs. If the machines appear on other public streets in downtown that's another issue for another day if you choose to pursue that, this is strictly the plaza. O'Donnell/Steve we were talking. Atkins/Would it be easier if I stood up there folks? Lehman/Sure. Atkins/OK. O'Donnell/Are we talking renting these areas in the kiosks (can't hear) and if we are what is our present policy? Atkins/We have the ability under the ordinance to charge a fee, we have the ability to charge fees in accordance with all sorts of federal cases. The fee can only be in affect for our direct cost, I do not know what the number is but maybe I can just give you an example if it. My thinking would be if we buy a vending device, put it in the kiosk and the vending device costs $300.00 and we estimate it's got a 10 This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 58 year life, we would likely charge $35.00 a year, something like that, that would accumulate enough money then to replace the thing, it's cost. Lehman/The cost is going to be nominable when it comes to the fee. Atkins/Well it is intended to simply recover the public investment that you have. No cost for the kiosk Lehman/Why? How about the fountain? Atkins/For those in the media note he said that I did not say that. No it is intended simply to recover our costs and I think that, and I have not read all of the legal work on it, Eleanor's been very helpful on this thing but the bottom line is were permitted to recover our direct costs and that quick arithmetic is what we were thinking about, something such as that. And again I don't know what the numbers are exactly. Vanderhoef/The maintenance costs also. Atkins/We would do routine maintenance on it, we're now into some of the details, I'm not real sure how to handle those just yet Dee, I don't know, I mean their going to be in a mechanism, door closed, it's not like their going to be exposed to the elements. I would likely suggest that we buy the vending device and then have the individual newspaper purchase their own coin operated mechanism, for our research it appears that those are, that's an expensive, and they can take that with them. Again those are some of the details that I, what we need to do is gather them all up, sit down and have a talk with the whole group. But I didn't want to proceed with anything unless I had some go ahead from you all that your willing to do it. Champion/Well I think you can make some executive decisions on that. Atkins/Executive orders it was. Lehman/What I'd like to see us try to handle it the way we presently have the ordinance written and just see if we can't make it work. Atkins/That' s the intent is that, and I talked to a couple of the folks in the media that I thought maybe we're going to have to rewrite this ordinance and you know as a staff we went over it and over it and over it and finally said look let' s take a run at what we've got. Some of the suggestions made by ICON and Gazette publications have some merit and there may be some amendments to the This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 59 ordinance forthcoming but I want to share that with everyone before we would make that, I don't think it's anything particularly dramatic but. Pfab/My only point is that it's the city made a decision to put that kind of vending in and I'm suggesting that we collect a fee that would be comparable to what it would take the newspapers to have maintain those other ones on a regular basis you know, some (can't hear) not exact (can't hear) that kind of a range and I think that's where we're getting. Atkins/My impression from folks in the news media is that they're not going to object, I mean object to a fee that clearly just simply recovers the cost. We're not out there, and we can't justify other than that. Does that pretty well, Eleanor's nodding yes to me that that's how we would approach that. Steven. Kanner/I just had a couple concems that hopefully City Council will discuss about. The suggestion by the Gazette about a two tiered lottery for. Atkins/Eleanor. You direct that to Eleanor. Kanner/Well. Dilkes/You mean about the local and non local? Kanner/Yea business' people. Dilkes/Yea I have a real concern with that because I think your getting into regulation of content there and what making assumptions about what people prefer to read and so I would probably have some difficulty with that. Kanner/And the other thing sort of along those lines that the ICON brought up I think was valid about the free versus paid papers and separating those. And for instance what if the ICON wanted something in the same kind of box that the other places were instead of being associated with something (can't hear). Atkins/If you meant physically the ICON as a newspaper, it's a different shape, is that what you mean? I'm assuming we can accommodate that in the (can't hear). Kanner/Well also, in their comments yea it said there was, we have legal concerns I guess they mention about difference between free and. Atkins/Oh the Cincinnati case. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 60 Dilkes/Yea the Cincinnati case wasn't a regulation by Cincinnati making a distinction between commercial hand bills and other newspapers so there was a clear distinction made in that case between commercial speech and non commercial speech and that's what really lead to the downfall that that's not the distinction we're making, the distinction we're making is between whether it needs to be in a box that you can put a coin operated mechanism on or whether it doesn't have to because it's free. So I don't see that as a distinction based on content. Atkins/OK. Pfab/I think it has a potential to be a win win. Lehman/Oh we did, I think Steve we passed this in 95. Atkins/There was a minor amendment but the ordinance itself has been on plaza ordinance (can't hear). Lehman/Well I know the one we passed to get rid of the newspaper stands was on my first year on Council and I've always wondered why it's taken this long to get rid of them but I'm not going to say anything about it now. Atkins/Well it has a long and sorted history. Lehman/Do we have consensus that we try to apply the ordinance as it's presently written administratively and just see what (can't hear). Atkins/I would like to be able to try that and to the folks in the media is that one of the first things we're going to do is we're going to round you all up and all of us sit down together and I will explain in detail, I'm going to propose a procedure to them. In other words we'll create a target and then we'll work from there. If we have major disagreements between the media representatives and what I'm being asked to do ultimately I'll have to bring them back to you all and you'll have to settle the thing. Pfab/I would be to proceed. Vanderhoef/Absolutely. Wilburn/Sounds good. Lehman/OK you've got it. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 61 Atkins/OK we're going to do it pretty quickly because we want to get this thing on the (can't hear). Lehman/You know in some respects that's going to be like the meeting with the bar owners, you make it work or we will. Atkins/Note you said that. Lehman/Sorry about that. Why don't you just stay where you are, the next item on the agenda is Council goals. Council Goals Atkins/I don't have them in front of me, what I did was I took the goals, the goal session, reworked it into a list, identified the number of votes, did those things, that's the way it shook out for me is ifit's satisfactory because I need to get assignments to departments to get started on those things. We did put in your packet that housing little summary, yea. Kanner/What was that? Arkins/There's a housing summary. Lehman/Yes, yes. Kanner/Oh the housing summary. Atkins/Yea the housing authority, you asked about that. Kanner/It was good. Lehman/All fight, Steve what are you going to do with this? Atkins/That is going to be sent out to department directors, we will discuss it at our regular staff, begin making you know each of those have to be carved up into some pieces and I don't have mine in front of me Ernie but a couple of them represent several of the needs of several departments. Lehman/I realize that, my only concern is do we want to address all 22 of these things or have you and your folks addressed all 22? Champion/Some of them didn't get any votes. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 62 Atkins/If it did not have, I mean I put them in order. Champion/Right. Lehman/I realize that. Atkins/By votes and I will start at the top and work down, if it did not receive any votes then I, other than what we might be doing routinely. However, for example the leash in the park did not receive any votes but folks that's already a law. Lehman/Well Deer Creek Road didn't get any votes but that's one that's going to be addressed too. Atkins/Yea. And it's not that they're not going to be ignored but the priority is how you voted for those things. Lehman/I see that, and I have no problem with that. My only concern is that when we come up with items that are going to require staff time we generally ask that there be at least four council people who want to proceed with it. I and I'm going to pick on one, rent control is one that I think there isn't anybody but one council person who has any interest in that and I don't see us pursuing that. Kanner/I kind of assumed you're just going to go for the wherever there are four votes, that's. Vanderhoef/Start with those. Atkins/Philosophically. Kanner/(can't hear) going to get to. Champion/He was just nice to list them for us. Lehman/How far are you going to go with them? Atkins/I'm going to start with those sort of four and above or clearly those that there's a council majority for. But there are still some ideas that are and the four below that had some interest I mean. Vanderhoef/And flushing them out may bring something. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 63 Atkins/Yea, I may, we may pull one of those out, rework it a tad bit, find something that we didn't get a chance to talk with you, kick it back to you and say by the way did you ever think of this, it may take on a different priority for you later on. It also may get buried. Lehman/Well for example, from Iowa City's a place for retirees to live obviously could very well go into Economic Development which is a high priority. Atkins/Well for example on that one is one of the first things I want to do is take it to the Senior Commission, tell them the Council's interest, let them talk about it, they may have some ideas on how to make this a more attractive community with respect to drawing retirees here but they also have to have, let's cut all the taxes, well OK, then we don't have anything here to offer for. You understand what I mean is that we want to get, well I want to get these things. Lehman/What you really want to know is these, are these the goals (can't hear). Atkins/If that list is OK with you that's the list I'm going to make happen. Champion/It must be, it's accurate. Atkins/OK, that was the other thing, did I get the sense of you all were talking about? Champion/I think so. Kanner/I don't have it before me Ernie I guess you've got it here, but I have a question, Economic Development, did you have child care under Economic Development because we had moved that in there I thought. Atkins/I thought, I remember that discussion Steven I couldn't tell you, I haven't got it. Lehman/Doesn't really say. Kanner/Doesn't really say but I thought we had moved it in there and I think it was a majority of people that thought it should be part of Economic Development. Atkins/That' s what I need to know if I missed something. Champion/I think he's right and that would be an important part of economic development, child care is becoming a problem. Atkins/Well wait a minute, #13. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 64 Champion/Oh OK. Kanner/Yea but just as far as priorities. Atkins/Well we voted on that, I mean you all voted on that one separately, now if you want to figure that one into economic development, oh that's your point that during the economic development discussion that also fit it in. Lehman/Yea. Kanner/We moved it into there, and so we want them young and we want them old. Atkins/OK, I didn't read it that way but I understand what you're telling me. I'm fine with that if you all. I mean that's clearly an issue we're going to pursue with the near southside transportation center anyway. Lehman/I think you start going through these your going to find that #4 and #5 may certainly incorporate (can't hear) may certainly incorporate some things that are later in the list and that child care obviously is one. Atkins/The most important thing is is this a representation of what you decided that day? Lehman/I think so. Atkins/OK. Pfab/Is that a trick question? Atkins/It is not a trick question. I promise you it is not a trick question. Lehman/We don't want any trick answers either. Atkins/OK I'll probably report back to you in 5-6 months on where we are on this thing or sooner if you'd like but we'll start making assignments. Thank you. Council Time 1. O'Donnell/I have one. Lehman/Yes. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 65 O'Dounell/ADA parade July 22, 10:00, I understand Steve we've already kicked in on this. Atkins/I'm sorry Mike I didn't catch what. O'Donnell/ADA parade July 22. Atkins/We usually contribute to that, I mean both financially as well as our own staff, yea. O'Donnell/And I'd really like to see 100 percent participation on Council this year. Champion/I don't have my little yellow truck this year. O'Donnell/We could use your little white Jeep. Champion/Yea. O'Donnell/But this is really good, this is growing every year and it's, it's really a great thing to do. Lehman/OK. O'Donnell/I think that's all I have until tomorrow night. 2. O'Donnell/Welcome back Mr. Mayor. Champion/Yea. 3. Wilburn/Arts Fest. was wonderful that their gone and or if you didn't have a chance to make it down so, lots of bucks to be tweaked up. Lehman/Everything I've heard has been. Steve said it was just wall to wall people Friday and Saturday. Atkins/Friday night was packed, Saturday my daugther went and said something about standing in front of the Sheraton that to be able to have a spot to listen to a young woman Shawn Coleman. Champion/Sounds great. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 66 Atkins/A couple things we did notice, and I'm not sure what we're going to do, one is dogs, people were bring their dogs into that crowd which is not a good idea. I mean somebody, the little three year old or four year old with the ice cream cone and what does the dog do? Goes for the cone, I mean the dog doesn't know any better and of course if your sitting on the bench and the dog comes by and shows an appreciation for your whatever. O'Donnell/Clearly not a place downtown for dogs. Atkins/No it's just, we may need to find something to say no animals in the food service area of the (can't hear). And another thing it got so crowded, we had people with lawn chairs sitting in the planters, plants were smashed, you know I get upset when I know that some of the drunks are out there reeking habit, there' s a lot of folks that knew better so we've got a few smashed plants. But beyond that sounds like it was. Wilburn/There might be something that we could talk to with the Arts Fest committee to try to get the word out about some of the glitches. Atkins/Yes, Vicki Jennings, Vicki is the head of it and I've already spoken with her on a couple things so if you have any ideas give her a call she'd really appreciate hearing from you, this is her first year. Champion/I do want to bring up. Atkins/Oh and drilling holes in freshly fresh concrete. Lehman/It's a lot easier when it gets hard. Atkins/Well we poured all that fresh concrete and the guy setting up the stage drills these holes to anchor the stage and the concrete is still green which means moisture gets in which is going to get a. Champion/Oh. Atkins/I know. Oops, they did not have permission to that. Vanderhoef/They can fix it. Atkins/Yea you can fix it but it's still not the same, yea not the same. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 67 4. O'Donnell/Has everybody here had the opportunity to go out to the Shakespearean stage? Atkins/No. Lehman/No I haven't but. I understand you did a magnificent job. (All talking). Pfab/I was second (can't hear) and third and fourth. Lehman/I would have loved to have been there. Pfab/And he snuck up on you and you didn't even know he was going to do it. O'Donnell/Well it was a. Pfab/It was just his talent, his talent just got the best of him and off he ran. O'Donnell/It often does that. Pfab/But funny I never noticed it before. Atkins/It's the sword and the tights that he wore that really. Champion/Oh I would have loved to have seen that. Atkins/Sorry Mike. O'Donnell/I'll never say no, but if you get a chance go out and see this thing, its tremendous, you know it would be nice to take some of the credit for this but this was proposed by these people, all we did is support it but it's fantastic. The park is full of cars, you drive by and see it it's like it always should have been there so it's really a neat thing. 5. Atkins/While I'm thinking about the park we did have a few glitches on our first go around with the rides but we'll take care of it. O'Donnell/The popcom wagon's fixed. Atkins/Yea. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 68 O'Donnell/Are we going to get that? Atkins/We're going to get it. Champion/Great. Atkins/That's in the glitch department. O'Donnell/That's a glitch. Atkins/We're going to take care of it I promise. Vanderhoef/The one that was on the plaza? Champion/Yea. 6. Champion/OK I'm going to bring this up again and I'm not going to bring it up at council time but we have got to do something about a police presence downtown and I don't care if we have to increase the police budget. I am telling you that our new stuff is being destroyed by hoolihans, what ever they call. Lehman/Hooligans. Champion/Hoodlums and I have chased them down all that I can, they don't, when they see me coming they all stop doing it so I know police can really control it a lot better. Lehman/I'm not sure of that. Champion/I mean the limestone is getting chipped, the plants are being, somebody's in the. Atkins/Understand I heard about that one. Champion/People pulling plants out, people riding bikes, dogs on all over that pedestrian mall. And it's really, it's really not very pleasant and it's so beautiful and it's, when you see all these young people that were there this weekend with Arts Fest and stuff and old people and all ages. To allow that gorgeous thing to be destroyed by a handful of irresponsible idiots is terrible. O'Donnell/If you don't quit holding back Connie your going to. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 69 Lehinan/Well I don't, I agree with you Connie. Champion/It's terrible, we're paying dearly for not having police presence down there. Atkins/I thought we had a pretty good presence over the weekend. Champion/Oh you didn't need one on the weekend. Too many people around nobody could do anything until. Atkins/Friday night was a very difficult night, yea there was an altercation. Champion/Oh I heard about that. Atkins/Yea and we had to call out the calvary. Champion/Yea but that wasn't. Atkins/2:00 AM in the morning. Champion/Right that was. Atkins/It was a bar (can't hear). Champion/That' s when you expect it. Atkins/OK. Champion/But it's, you know but we really are we're paying dearly because people are uncomfortable there with different ages, we're paying dearly because they're destroying the physically, what do you call that? Capital improvements we've done down there and it's really ridiculous and I think it should be, I mean none of the ordinances are enforced. Bicycles are not enforced, dogs are not enforced, smoking by minors are not enforced, none of those ordinances, skateboards are not enforced, none of those ordinances are enforced down there, none of them. Atkins/If it's clearly the Council's direction that can be done, now I want to say one thing, I mean this in all sincerity, the police really take bad rep. when they start enforcing. You're going to get. Champion/By who? Atkins/From the people that are being enforced. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 70 Champion/Well I'm just saying (can't hear) get a speeding ticket. Atkins/OK. Champion/I still get one. Vanderhoef/And I'll support my police force (can't hear). Champion/I will too definitely. Vanderhoef/And if people want to be unhappy with me they can be unhappy with me. Atkins/But it has been, it's difficult. Vanderhoef/I know it is. Atkins/OK. Well we can certainly be more aggressive. Champion/Well you know you can't, like I said one day I had my grandchildren down there there must have been 15 toddlers in that fountain which has been a tremendous success. Lehman/Oh lord it has. Champion/And somebody rode their bike right through it going about 25 mph. Atkins/Yea. Champion/That one I chased down. Lehman/You're fast you know that. Champion/It's hard too. Vanderhoef/(can't hear). Champion/I mean that's the kind of thing that's just got to have some control. O'Donnell/I agree, let's (can't hear). This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 71 Champion/I don't care if people, well never mind I can go on and on about it but you know what I mean. Lehman/You go on and on you might get grumpy. Dee, Steven. Irvin. 7. Pfab/I want to consider Council consider immediately installing camera's to continuously monitor the entire area in the ped. mall. Champion/I think I'd have to know what we can do with the pictures that we get. Pfab/It's yea, this building is monitored, and anytime you go into a public area it's monitored, it's, OK, if we don't know what we're going to do with it at least learn what's going on and who's doing it. Champion/Emie and Connie can tell you what's going on. Pfab/Well which you don't have name, rank or serial number of a lot of them. Vanderhoef/Only when they drive their cars (can't hear). O'Donnell/That' s kind of like a big brothers watching them. Pfab/Well maybe that' s what they need. I think it's one way to supplement the police presence there, it's done all over the world and. Champion/It's not done here though. Pfab/Pardon, it is done a lot of places. Champion/It's not done routinely in public areas. Pfab/Oh. Lehman/Not in public but it's done in businesses. Champion/Banks and. Lehman/I think we probably need to know just exactly what we would gain by that, or what we can, I man we've got, I don't even know where you'd locate the cameras because if their high enough where they can avoid being vandalized their also high enough that you'll be taken pictures of trees. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 72 Pfab/The people who install them know how to do it. Lehman/Cut the trees down. P fab/No. O'Donnell/I think there's a certain level of privacy you can expect when you walk downtown. Lehman/I have a problem, I don't, I have no idea Steve and I don't want to. Vanderhoef/The value of them is what my question would be. Champion/Right. Lehman/But is there some way of coming up with some kind of guesstimate as to? Atkins/Oh yea. Lehman/I mean could, (can't hear) tell us just give us an awfully, I don't want to see anybody go into months of work and (can't hear). Atkins/No but I'll check on, I can check with some other cities. Lehman/What's the feasibility of that? Atkins/I'll check other cities. Pfab/Yea check other cities. Lehman/Feasibility of cameras. Atkins/All fight so the issue fight now is just is it feasible, what do other towns do? That's not a mountain of research. Lehman/OK, I mean I don't have a problem with finding that out. Atkins/All fight. Vanderhoef/And the value that people see. Atkins/Now that's another question. That's something you'll have to decide. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 73 Vanderhoef/I know. Atkins/We can hear the opinions of other city officials. O'Donnell/But are there four people who want to do that? Champion/I don't want to do it. O'Donnell/I don't want to that, I think it's a waste of time. Champion/I think it's OK for a specific problem like the police did it a couple years ago when there was some possibility of some exchange in a illegal substance of some sort. Pfab/There is a specific problem, there are reasons why to do it. It would shorten up our council time by five minutes every time so Connie wouldn't have to explain everything that's going on down there. Champion/No Connie will go on and on about people's rights. Wilburn/(Can't hear). Pfab/That's a suggest but I. Lehman/Now wait a minute there's no point in getting the information if there isn't four people interested in doing it. O'Donnell/There's four. Wilburn/You can get the information but I'm just letting you know I'm not interested. O'Donnell/Absolutely not. Lehman/Ross says he's not photogenic, Mike said he's not, Connie's (can't hear). O'Donnell/We didn't say that, we're very photogenic. Lehman/Steven do you have any interest in this? Steven. Don't worry about it. Atkins/OK. This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200 June 12, 2000 Council Work Session Page 74 Lehman/Scratch your notes, there aren't four people who would. Champion/We're not to that point where I'm willing to do that. Lehman/All fight anything else for Council time? O'Donnell/See ya tomorrow night. Lehman/See ya tomorrow night guys. Adjoumed 8: 55 PM This represents only a reasonably accurate transcription of the Iowa City council meeting of June 12, 2000. WS061200