HomeMy WebLinkAbout2001-02-06 Public hearingFebruary 6, 2001
To the City Council:
I spoke to you earlier about the $657,000 increase to Police Department budget proposed
by the City Manager as shown in the City's FY02 draf~ budget.. This is a 9. 73%
increase over last year.
I listened to the City Manager's presentation of the General Fund at an informal Council
meeting, but the ICPD budget was not mentioned at all, despite its position within the
General Fund.
I have sent e-mails to all members of the Council asking that the ICPD fund be put on
the agenda of an informal meeting but did not get ANY reply or acknowledgemere from
any Council member.
I'm told that in order for a Council member to place an item on the agenda, there must be
a motion to do so voted upon and supported by a majority of the Council. I wonder how
many citizens know that. It's a very convenient way for the majority to keep
controversial items ~the agenda.
However:
While attending informal Council meetings considering the budget, I learned that under
the draf~ FY02 budget as presented by the City Manager and apparently approved by the
Council we can expect the following:
Total funding for the Human Services Agencies will NOT be increased. 0% increase.
The rationale for this is that last year it was raised 6.6% - double the inflation rate - so
it's OK to give them nothing more in FY02. The agencies involved are Arc, Big
Brothers/Big Sisters, Crisis Center, DVIP, Elderly Services, Emergency Housing Project,
4Cs+, Free Medical Clinic, HACAP, ICARE, Mayor's Youth Employment Program,
MECCA, Neighborhood Centers, RVAP, Red Cross, UAY, and Youth Homes +. The
"princely" sum to be divided amongst all these worthwhile agencies: $455,500.
I also heard the discussion of the funding for Community Events (Arts Festival, Arts
Iowa City, Friday Night Concert Series, Holiday Lights, Disabilities Awareness Days,
Heritage Trees, Johnson Co. Historical Society, Jazz Festival, and Jaycees 4th of July
Celebration) and the City Sponsored Community Events (Irving B. Weber Day, Saturday
Night "Just Jazz" Series, Weeks of Welcome, Temporary Mini-Park Stage, Downtown
Streetscape Completion Celebration, All Iowa New Horizons Band Concert ,Community
Spirit Banners). The total budget to fund all of these community-enhancing efforts is
$63,222. This is also a 0% increase over last year.
Additionally, crocodile tears were shed by Council members over their supposed inability
to fund a ~A time Historical Preservation position, a V2 time new position for the Animal
Shelter, and one fulltime Natural Areas Manager for Park and Rec. The Council told the
City Manager to write letters refusing those requests and saying, basically, "do the best
you can with what you've got". It was acknowledged that the Animal Shelter needs the
extra position, but that funding it was "up to R.J." because it falls under the Police
Budget. That's the closest you came to discussion of the ICPD budget.
The Council completely refused also to give ANY money to: Arts Iowa City, UI
Riveffest, and the Family Resource Center.
Particularly distasteful were the discussions
· the Family Resource Center ("leave it to the School Board" was the bottom line,
despite the fact that it provides basic assistance - food, clothes, after-school activities
- to needy children. What better place would there be to put the money that formerly
went to the DARE program, which is being discontinued at the initiative of the school
board and superintendent?)
· the Jaycee's request for a contribution to the July 4 fireworks fund (they ended up
voting to reduce that contribution by $2000 from last year's).
So. $455,600 + $63,222 = $518,822. The total proposed City spending for all of these
worthy human services and community events - a 0% increase.
But: the proposed FY02 budget gives a more than $657.000 increase to the ICPD. a
9.73% increase over FY01, and that increase has gotten NO discussion at all.
The Johnson County Sheriff and his staff provide law enforcement for the entire county,
which contains 900 miles of roads and covers an area of 620 square miles; do water
rescues, supervise the Hazmat team and County Civil Defense, maintain a Civil office for
tax sales and eminent domain hearings, and run the County jail. Their FY02 proposed
budget is $5.4 million. Why does the ICPD need $7~412~2837 Including 10 new vehicles?
And 16 new radios?
I would like each of you to tell us now why you have not considered making any changes
to the proposed FY02 ICPD budget?
- Caroline Dieterie.
NOTICE OF PUBLIC DISCUSSION
Notice is hereby given that the City Council of Iowa City will hold a meeting for public
discussion on the 61" day of February, 2001, in the Civic Center Council Chambers, 410 E.
Washington Street, at 7:00 p.m. on proposed alcohol ordinances.
Persons interested in expressing their views conceming said item, either verbally or in writing,
will be given the opportunity to be heard at the above-mentioned time and place. Prior to the
hearing, the ordinances are available for review at the Iowa City Public Library, and the City
Clerk's Office.
MARIAN K. KARR, CITY CLERK
Marian Karr
From: Ju]ie Phye [julie-phye@uiowa.edu]
Sent: Friday. February 02. 2001 4:14 PM
To: council@iowa-city.org
Cc: dale_helling@iowa-city.org
Subject: price specials
Dear Council,
I believe addressing price special restrictions will reach the audience you
hope to reach. According to the statistics for the UI collected by the
Harvard School of Public Health:
Over half of UI students {54%)indicated they participated in a drinking
game within 30 days prior to the survey.
Of those participating in drinking games, underage drinkers make up 62%,
while 38% are legal aged drinkers. In other words, undereage students are
more likely to particiapte in drinking games by a 2:1 ratio.
Julie Phye
Julie Phye, Ph.D.
319-335-1349
julie-phye@uiowa.edu
Stepping Up Program
100 Curtier Hall
University of Iowa
Iowa City, IA 52242
Prepared by: Eleanor M. Dilkes, City Attomey, 410 E. Washington St., Iowa City, IA 52240; 319-356-5030
ORDINANCE NO.
ORDINANCE AMENDING THE CITY CODE OF THE CITY OF IOWA CITY, IOWA, BY
ENACTING NEW SECTIONS NUMBERED 4-2-3, ENTITLED "LOCAL REVIEW OF
APPLICATION/INVESTIGATION OF APPLICANT"; SECTION 4-2.4, ENTITLED "NOTICE
AND HEARING"; AND SECTION 4-2-5, ENTITLED "CIVIL PENALTIES"; REVISING
SECTION 4-5.4 ENTITLED "REGULATION OF PERSONS UNDER LEGAL AGE";
ENACTING A NEW SECTION 4-5-6 ENTITLED "SALES TO INTOXICATED PERSONS";
AND ENACTING A NEW SECTION 4-5-7 ENTITLED "LIMITATIONS ON SALES", ALL OF
WHICH PROVIDE FOR THE REGULATION OF ALCOHOL SALES.
WHEREAS, underage drinking, binge drinking, and the over consumption of alcohol in Iowa City
have a significant and negative impact on the health, welfare and morals of its citizens, and result in
increased burdens on Iowa City's criminal justice system and social services agencies; and
WHEREAS, it is the intent of the Iowa City City Council to address and discourage underage
drinking, binge drinking, and the over consumption of alcohol and the negative externalities associated
with such behaviors and activities; and
WHEREAS, State law authorizes the City Council as the licensing authority to impose
administrative penalties for, among other things, violations of the Alcoholic Beverage Control provisions
of the Iowa Code and ordinances of the City; and
WHEREAS, it is the intent of the Iowa City City Council to hold holders of liquor control licenses,
wine, or beer permits accountable and responsible for fully and effectively complying with all state laws
and city ordinances with respect to the selling and serving of alcohol to patrons; and
WHEREAS, the City Council desires to address negative impacts associated with such activity
and conduct through accountability, enforcement, and penalties; and
WHEREAS, such accountability, enforcement and penalties are in the best interests of the health,
welfare and morals of the citizens of Iowa City, Iowa for the reasons stated above.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT ORDAINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF IOWA CITY,
IOWA:
SECTION I. AMENDMENT. Title 4 of the City Code, entitled "Alcoholic Beverages" is amended, as
follows:
I. Adding a new section 4-2-3, entitled "Local Review of Application/Investigation of Applicant" to
provide additional detail regarding the review of applications for liquor control license, beer permit, or
wine permit, or a renewal of same by the Iowa City Fire Chief, the Iowa City Chief of Police, the Iowa
City Building Official, the Johnson County Health Department and the Johnson County Attorney, as
follows:
Section 4-2-3: Local Review of Application/Investigation of Applicant
A. It shall be the responsibility of the applicant for a liquor control license, beer permit, or wine
permit, or a renewal of any of those, to obtain the appropriate application from the City Clerk.
B. Prior to submission to the City Council, the application must be submitted to the Iowa City
Fire Chief, the Iowa City Chief of Police, the Iowa City Building Official, and the Johnson County
Health Department and the County Attorney, each of whom will approve or disapprove the
application. It shall be the responsibility of the Fire Chief, Building Official, and Health Department
to inspect the premises and determine if it complies with all applicable state and local laws, rules,
and regulations. The Chief of Police and County Attorney shall each make an investigation to
determine if the applicant is of good moral character as defined in Section 123.3(26) of the Iowa
Code and the Rules of the Iowa Alcoholic Beverages Division. With regard to renewal applications,
that investigation shall include any relevant information about prior operations under the license or
permit. Disapproval of the application by any of the above must be in writing and must set forth the
reasons therefore. Each official reviewing the application must complete the investigation and, if
applicable, the memo setting forth the reasons for disapproval within five working days following
receipt of the application.
II. Adding a new section 4-2-4, entitled "Notice and Hearing" to provide the licensee or permittee an
opportunity to be heard prior to the imposition of a civil penalty, suspension or revocation or disapproval
of an application for renewal, as follows:
4-2-4: Notice and Headng:
The City Council shall provide the licensee or permittee an opportunity to be heard prior to the
imposition of a civil penalty, suspension or revocation or disapproval of an application for renewal.
Notice may be given by personal service or first-class mail directed to the manager or contact
person of the applicant as listed on the application. Notice by personal service must be given at
least five days before the hearing. Notice by first-class mail is effective on mailing and must be
given at least six days before the hearing.
Ill. Adding a new section 4-2-5, entitled "Civil Penalties" to provide for the imposition of civil
penalties for violations of the provisions of this Chapter, as follows:
Section 4-2-5: Civil Penalties
A. Any violation of state law, local ordinance, or the rules of the Alcoholic Beverages Division
by any employee, agent, or servant of a licensee or permittee shall be deemed to be the act of the
licensee or the permittee and shall subject the license or permit of said licensee or permittee to civil
penalties, including suspension or revocation.
B. The City Council may suspend a license or permit for a period not to exceed one year,
revoke the license or permit, or impose a civil penalty not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000)
per violation. Before suspension, revocation, or imposition of a civil penalty the license or permit
holder shall be given written notice and opportunity for a hearing in accordance with Section 4-2-4.
C. A license or permit issued may be suspended or revoked. or a civil penalty may be imposed
on the license or permit holder by the City Council for any of the following causes:
1) Misrepresentation of any material fact in the application for such license or permit.
2) Violation of any of the provisions of Chapter 123, the Alcoholic Beverages Control provisions
of the Iowa Code.
3) Any change in the ownership or interest in the business operated under a Class "A," Class
"B," or Class "C" liquor control license, or any wine or beer permit, which change was not
previously reported to and approved by the City Council.
4) Any event which would have resulted in disqualification from receiving a license or permit
when originally issued.
5) Any sale, hypothecation, or transfer of the license or permit.
6) The failure or refusal on the part of any licensee or permittee to render any report or remit
any taxes due under Chapter 123 of the Iowa Code.
7) Violation of any ordinance or regulation of the City of Iowa City relatincl to the purchase,
possession, sale, supply, dispensinq or qivinq of alcohol.
D. When a liquor license or wine or beer permit is suspended after a hearing as a result of
violation by the licensee, permittee, or the iicensee's or permittee's agents or employees, the
premises which were licensed by the license or permit shall not be relicensed for a new applicant
until the suspension has terminated or time of suspension has elapsed, or ninety days have
elapsed since the commencement of the suspension, whichever occurs first. However, this section
does not prohibit the premises from being relicensed to a new applicant before the suspension has
terminated or before the time of suspension has elapsed or before ninety days have elapsed from
the commencement of the suspension, if the premises prior to the time of the suspension have
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been purchased under contract, and the vendor under that contract had exercised the person's
rights under Chapter 656 of the Iowa Code and sold the property to a different person who is not
related to the previous licensee or permittee by marriage or within the third degree of consanguinity
or affinity and if the previous licensee or permittee does not have a financial interest in the business
of the new applicant.
E. A criminal conviction is not a prerequisite to a suspension, revocation, or imposition of a civil
penalty pursuant to this section.
F. If the cause for suspension is a first offense violation of section 123.49, subsection 2,
paragraph "h" of the Iowa Code or section 4-5-4(B) of the City Code, the City Council shall impose a
civil penalty in the amount of three hundred dollars in lieu of suspension of the license or permit.
G. The City Council shall notify the Alcoholic Beverages Division of any action taken under this
section and shall notify the licensee or permit holder of the right to appeal a suspension, revocation,
or imposition of a civil penalty to the Alcoholic Beverages Division.
H. If any licensee, wine permittee, beer permittee, or employee of a licensee or permittee is
convicted of selling, giving, or otherwise supplying any alcoholic beverage, wine, or beer to any
person in violation of section 123.49, subsection 2, paragraph "h" of the Iowa Code or section 4-5-
4(B) of the City Code, in addition to criminal penalties fixed for such violations, the City Council shall
assess a civil penalty as follows:
a. Upon a first conviction, the violators liquor control license or wine permit or beer permit shall
not be suspended, but rather, the violator shall be assessed a civil penalty in the amount of
$500. Failure to pay the civil penalty will result in automatic suspension of the license or permit
for a period of fourteen days.
b. Upon a second conviction within a period of two years, the violators liquor control license,
wine permit, or beer permit shall be suspended for a period of thirty days and the violator shall
also be assessed a civil penalty in the amount of $1,500.
c. Upon a third conviction within a period of three years, the violator's liquor control license,
wine permit, or beer permit shall be suspended for a period of sixty days and the violator shall
also be assessed a civil penalty in the amount of $1,500.
d. Upon a fourth conviction within a period of three years, the violators' liquor control license,
wine permit, or beer permit shall be revoked
IV. Repealing in its entirety section 4-5-4 concerning persons under the legal age, and substituting
in-lieu-thereof a new section 4-54, entitled "Regulation of Persons Under Legal Age", providing for the
regulation of persons under legal age, as follows:
Section 4-5-4: Regulation of Persons Under Legal Age
A. A person or person under legal age shall not purchase or attempt to purchase, or individually
or jointly have alcoholic liquor, wine, or beer in their possession or control; except in the case of
liquor, wine, or beer given or dispensed to a person under legal age within a private home and with
the knowledge, presence, and consent of the parent or guardian, for beverage or medicinal
purposes or as administered to the person by either a physician or dentist for medicinal purposes
and except to the extent that a person under legal age may handle alcoholic beverages, wine, or
beer during the regular course of the person's employment by a liquor control licensee, or wine or
beer permittee under this chapter.
1. A person who is under legal age, other than a licensee or permittee, who violates this
section regarding the purchase of or attempt to purchase alcoholic liquor, wine, or beer, or
possessing or having control of alcoholic liquor, wine, or beer, commits a simple misdemeanor
punishable by a fine of one hundred dollars for the first offense. A second or subsequent
offense shall be a simple misdemeanor punishable by a fine of two hundred dollars and the
suspension of the person's motor vehicle operating privileges for a period not to exceed one
year. The court may, at its discretion, order the person who is under legal age to perform
community service work under section 909.3A of the Iowa Code, or an equivalent value to the
fine imposed under this section.
B. 1. An employee or agent of a person or club holding a liquor control license or retail
wine or beer permit shall not sell, give, or otherwise supply any alcoholic beverage, wine, or
beer to any person, knowing or failing to exercise reasonable care to ascertain whether the
person is under legal age, or permit any person, knowing or failing to exercise reasonable care
to ascertain whether the person is under legal age, to consume any alcoholic beverage, wine, or
beer.
2. Any person who violates this section commits a simple misdemeanor punishable as a
scheduled violation under section 805.8, subsection 10, paragraph "a" of the Iowa Code
(currently $500).
3. A person under legal age shall not misrepresent the person's age for the purpose of
purchasing or attempting to purchase any alcoholic beverages, wine, or beer from any licensee
or permittee. If any person under legal age misrepresents the person's age, and the licensee or
permittee establishes that the licensee or permittee made reasonable inquiry to determine
whether the prospective purchaser was over legal age, the licensee or permittee is not guilty of
selling alcoholic liquor, wine, or beer to a person under legal age.
V. Adding a new section 4-5-6, entitled "Sales to Intoxicated Persons" to prohibit selling, dispensing
or giving any alcoholic liquor, wine, or beer to an intoxicated person, as follows:
Section 4-5-6: Sales To Intoxicated Persons
A person shall not sell, dispense, or give to an intoxicated person, or one simulating intoxication,
any alcoholic liquor, wine, or beer. A person who violates this provision shall be guilty of a simple
misdemeanor.
VI. Adding a new section 4-5-7, entitled "Limitations on Sales", as follows:
Section 4-6-7: Limitations On Sales
A. It shall be unlawful for a holder of a liquor control license, or wine permit or beer permit, or its
employees or agents, to do any of the following:
1. Sell, offer to sell, dispense or serve for on-premises consumption, two or more servings of
any alcoholic liquor, wine, or beer to any one person for the price of one such drink,
2. Sell, offer to sell, dispense or serve for on-premises consumption an unlimited number of
alcoholic liquor, wine, or beer for a fixed price.
3. Increase the volume of alcoholic liquor, wine, or beer contained in a serving, for on-premises
consumption, without proportionally increasing the price charged for such serving.
4. Sell, offer to sell, dispense or serve for on-premises consumption, more than one [2?I
serving of any alcoholic liquor, wine, or beer at any one time to any one person.
5. Encouraqe or permit anv qame or contest or tournament of anv kind which involves drinkinq
any alcoholic liquor, wine, or beer or the awardinq of alcoholic liquor, wine. or beer as a prize.
6. Dispense, pour, or otherwise serve anv alcoholic liquor, wine, or beer directly into a person's
mouth.
B. Exceptions: Nothing in section A shall be construed to prohibit a holder of a liquor control
license, or wine, or beer permit from: (there are a number of options available to Council with
respect to drink limitations - the listed exceptions to drink limitations are identified and
Council will need to identify those options it wishes to include, if any, as part of the
ordinance)
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I. Including servings or drinks of alcoholic liquor, wine, or beer as part of a meal package.
2. Including servings or drinks of alcoholic liquor, wine, or beer as part of a hotel package.
3, Selling pitchers, carafes, or bottles or the equivalent, of alcoholic liquor, wine, or beer which are
customadly sold in such manner and delivered to two or more persons at one time.
4. Time restrictions on "Happy Hour' or drink specials.
5. Fixed price for unlimited or indefinite amount of ddnks for catered events.
SECTION II. Violations; Penalty. Violations of this ordinance may be prosecuted as a simple
misdemeanor or as a municipal infraction, as provided for in this chapter, or as provided for in Title 1,
Chapter 4 of this Code, as amended.
SECTION II. ReDealer. All ordinances and parts of ordinances in conflict with the provisions of this
Ordinance are hereby repealed.
SECTION Ill. SEVERABILITY. If any section. provision or part of the Ordinance shall be adjudged
to be invalid or unconstitutional, such adjudication shall not affect the validity of the Ordinance as a
whole or any section, provision or part thereof not adjudicated invalid or unconstitutional.
SECTION IV. EFFECTIVE DATE: This Ordinance shall be in effect after its final passage,
approval and publication, as provided by law. ·
Passed and approved this day of ,2001.
MAYOR
ATTEST:
CITY CLERK
Approved by:
City Attorney's Office
Prepared by: Eleanor Dilkes, City Attorney, 410 E. Washington Street, Iowa City, IA 52240; 319-356-5030
ORDINANCE NO.
ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 1, ENTITLED "ADMINISTRATION", CHAPTER 4, ENTITLED
"GENERAL PENALTY", SECTION I(B) TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM CRIMINAL PENALTY
FOR SIMPLE MISDEMEANORS TO $500 AS AUTHORIZED BY STATE CODE.
WHEREAS, City Code sets the criminal penalty for a simple misdemeanor, unless another
penalty is specified, at a maximum fine of $100 or a sentence not to exceed 30 days in jail; and
WHEREAS, state law now authorizes cities to impose a maximum penalty for simple
misdemeanors in the amount of $500; and
WHEREAS, the City Council desires to increase the maximum criminal penalty to $500, as
authorized by state code.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT ORDAINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF IOWA
CITY, IOWA:
SECTION I. AMENDMENT. Section 1-4-1(B) City Code is hereby deleted and the following
substituted in lieu thereof:
B. Criminal penalty: The doing of any act prohibited or declared to be unlawful, an offense or
a simple misdemeanor by this Code or any ordinance or Code herein adopted by reference, or the
omission or failure to perform any act or duty required by this Code or any ordinance or Code
herein adopted by reference, is a simple misdemeanor and is, unless another penalty is specified
or the violation is scheduled under state law, punishable by a penalty not exceeding five hundred
dollars ($500) or in excess of thirty (30) days' imprisonment.
SECTION II. REPEALER. All ordinances and parts of ordinances in conflict with the provi-
sions of this Ordinance are hereby repealed.
SECTION III. SEVERABILITY. If any section, provision or part of the Ordinance shall be
adjudged to be invalid or unconstitutional, such adjudication shall not affect the validity of the
Ordinance as a whole or any section, provision or part thereof not adjudged invalid or unconsti-
tutionaL
SECTION IV. EFFECTIVE DATE. This Ordinance shall be in effect after its final passage,
approval and publication, as provided by law.
Passed and approved this __ day of ,20
MAYOR
ATTEST:
CITY CLERK
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THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA j,
February 5, 2001 ,
Dear Mayor Ernie Lehman and [owe Gity City Council Members:
We write to express our appreciation for a)] the efforts that City Council members and ]0 <w~,City~.staff
members have devoted to examining how we can reduce the harmful effects of excessi~,e drinking. We
also wish to express our support for the ordinances currently under consideration, whi~l~' would 'eliminate
drink specials and hold alcohol retailers responsible for sales to minors
As you know, through the Stepping Up Project, Iowa City and the University have been active partners
in changing the local environment with regard to excessive drinking. With your help, we have clarified
the problem: People who drink too much, including underage University students, are hurting others,
cornpromising the educational experience at the University, and reducing the quality of life in our
community as a whole.
College students who drink too much must take personal responsibility for their actions. But the concept
of personal responsibility must extend beyond students. We can't blame college students for
manufacturing and marketing alcoholic beverages with an eye toward creating profits through volume
sales. College students are not responsible for the number of bars located within walking distance of our
campuses. Nor are college students responsible for the price specials that encourage drinking to get
drunk.
Stepping Up's goal is to increase the safety of our community and to improve our quality of life. We
believe we can do that without cornpromising the rights of adults who drink moderately. But excessive
drinkers should not be allowed to compromise our rights, either.
In the four years since Stepping Up was organized, much has been accomplished. The actions you
have taken are impressive and worthy of note:
· You amended the disorderly house ordinance, making it easier for police to shut down unruly parties
before they get out of control.
· Iowa City Police have worked with the University's Department of Public Safety to consistently enforce
the minimum legal drinking age and have also kept a tally of PAULA violations in downtown bars.
· You have supported our "Weeks of Welcome" Street Dance in an effort to address the social needs of
young people without focusing on alcohol.
· You are making it possible for a community group to purchase the Englert Theatre, keeping that
historic building from being converted into another downtown bar.
· Perhaps most important, you have made this issue a priority in your meetings and have actively
sought and responded to public input on all sides of the issue.
As partners in this effort, the University has also taken action:
· We are providing late-night, social alternatives to the bar scene for our students.
· We have increased the consequences for, and consistently enforced the policy against underage
drinking for University students participating in orientation.
· We refused to renew an athletics department advertising contract with Miller Brewing Company
· We have designated an alcohol free tailgate lot at Hawkeye football games.
· We have restricted the service of alcohol at social events in social fraternities, banned alcohol and
tobacco from the entire residence hall system, and eliminated alcohol from the student areas of the
I.MU
Our students have been involved, as well. They are running "Nightgames" at the Ul's Fieldhouse and
"Up All Night" and "Casino Night" in the residence halls. Students have also planned and organized the
alcohol-free tailgates, a Valentine's Day Dance, and an innovative program called "Police and Pizza"
O~ce of the President 101 Jessup Hall Iowa City, Iowa 52242-1316 319/335-3549 FAX 319/335-0807
February 5, 2001
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that gives students a chance to meet Public Safety officers in a friendly, relaxed atmosphere. The UI
Student Government has also passed a resolution calling for responsible drinking. And students have
started a new organization called University Voices for Alcohol Alternatives.
We can be proud of these cooperative efforts. Our entire community is now aware of and concerned
about this issue. Yet, even with all we have accomplished, there is still more to be done. Underage
students, our heaviest drinkers, still have too easy access to alcohol. The following statistics provide an
understanding of the extent of the problem:
· Nine out of 10 UI students say that students who drink too much have harmed them in some way:
sexual and physical assault, property damage, and drunk driving that puts others at risk of injury and
death.
· 86 percent of underage UI students who go to bars report that they are able to get alcoholic
beverages.
· 62 percent of the underage students who drink at bars admit that they drink to get drunk.
· 62 percent of underage students say they have taken advantage of price specials, The bars that target
the underage crowd are also the most likely to use price special promotions.
· Last fall, 21 students violated the UPs self-destructive behavior policy and required medical care for
alcohol poisoning. All of these students were under the legal drinking age.
The proposed ordinances hold out the promise of reducing these harms. Since price specials
encourage people to drink to get drunk, eliminating those specials may lead to moderation in
consumption. Increasing retailers' responsibility for keeping alcohol away from minors will help reduce
their access to alcohol. Studies have consistently demonstrated that reducing minors' access to alcohol
reduces death and injury among that age group.
Of course, adopting these ordinances is only one of the means to the end we seek. We will need to
monitor whether implementing these ordinances actually reduces the harm that excessive drinkers
cause for others. We appreciate that Council members have expressed a willingness to look at a "tried
and true" method of reducing problems associated with alcohol: limiting entrance to bars to people who
are 21 years of age or older. For one thing, such an ordinance would put all the bars on a level playing
field competitively. It would also provide an incentive for entrepreneurs to develop non-alcohofic
entertainment venues for young adults,
Still, the ordinances now being considered by the City Council represent positive steps forward for our
entire community. We are proud to consider what our community and campus partnership has
accomplished so far. There's no doubt we have come a long way. Your support of the proposed
ordinances will keep us on the path of progress.
Sincerely,
Coleman
President Vice President:
And Dean of Students
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Iowa Ci~, Iowa 52246
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Feb~a~ ], 200]
Stephen J. Arkins
Civic Center
4]0 E. Washin~on St.
Iowa City, ~A 52240
Dear Steve:
~ am deliBhted that the City Council plans an Open Fo~m on Febma~ 6th to consider the
several proposed new ordinances regulating alcohol in ~owa City. Un~o~unately,
bc out o[the count~ and, hence, unable to a~end. ?hat is why ] am writin~ you this note.
gates o~bin~e dri~in~ amon8 University oEZowa undergraduates are not only out
comrol, they also rank at the top amon~ the nation's colleges and universities. [
you have a responsibility, with the University, to chan~e that dubious distinction.
judgment, the steps you have been discussin8 will alleviate the probJcm, aJthou~h they
will not solve it. The solution, ] firmly believe~ lies in prohibitin~ underage students ~rom
enterjn~ Zowa City~s bars and taverns.
However, halY a loaE is better than none, and it cenainJy makes sense to assess the impact
on binBe drj~in~ o~the measures you arc contemplatin~ be[ore unde~akin~ prohibition
o[undera~e students in the bars and thereby riskjn~ the cjty's t~ base. ]n any evere,
thank you for having the couraBe to do something about a problem that a~ects aJl o~us,
and many o[ our children.
Sinccr~Jy,
319-135-2427 (telephone) 319-335-0191 (fax) peter-nathan~'c~uiowa.edu
OFFICE OF THE MAYOR
C11'/OF CEDAR FALLS, IOWA
220 CLAY STREET
CEDAR FALLS, IOWA 50613
319-268-5119
FAX 319-268-5126
February 2, 2001
Lynn M. Walding, Administrator
State of Iowa
Alcoholic Beverages Division
1918 S.E. Hulsizer ltd.
Ankeny, IA 50021-3941
Dear Mr. Walding:
As Mayor of Cedar Falls, I would like to encourage your support of Iowa legislation limiting
drink specials that establishments can offer. The City of Cedar Falls believes such a measure
would help reduce the irresponsible consumption of alcohol. We recognize the prevalence of
this problem in college communities like ours and feel a duty to do what we can to provide a safe
and healthy environment for the student population, as well as all our citizens.
Anything that you can do to initiate and support the proposal of such legislation would be greatly
appreciated. Please contact me if you have any questions or concerns.
Sincerely,
xc: Stephen Atkins, Iowa City City Manager
"OUR CITIZENS ARE OUR BUSINESS"
Marjan Karr
From: Graham Dameron [gdameron@co.johnson.ia.us]
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 12:56 PM
To: 'council@iowa-city.org'
Cc: Donna Henn; Kelley Donham, DVM, MS; Mary Ann Murray; Maureen Connolly, MD; Pamela
Willard
Subject: Alcohol Policies
Dear Mayor and Members of the City Council of Iowa City:
I know that you are considering changes in City of Iowa City policies
related to alcohol this evening at a public hearing. I support the City
Council's proposals for our number 1 health problem in Johnson County. The
proposed policies absolutely move the city in the same direction as what has
been proposed by the Johnson County Health Improvement Plan. I applaud you
for addressing this difficult issue. Thank you for your consideration.
Sincerely,
L. Graham Dameron, MPH
Director
johnson County Department of Public Health
1105 Gilbert Court
Iowa City, IA 52240
gdameron@co.johnson.ia.us
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Marian Karr
From: theresa dunnington [tdunn51 @hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 4:43 PM
To: council@iowa-city.org
Subject: Letter in support of "drinking ordinances"
I am writing in support of all four components of the "drinking ordinance"
before the council. I am tired of downtown being filled with bars all too
willing to break the law to make money, I am tired of law enforcement being
overwhelmed with intoxicated minors, and I am tired of bar owners repeatedly
denying all responsibility for their role in the problems caused to our
community by drinking.
Recently my automobile was vandalized while parked outside my home. As I
live a block from City High, the officer who responded to this call said
"well if you were closer to downtown weld know it was drunks getting home
from the bars." To me, it is pathetic that awareness of the realties of
drinking in Iowa City is to this level, yet nothing to date has been done.
In my opinion, all of these measures are doomed to fail until the bar
entrance is restricted to the minimum legal drinking age, but I will take
what I can get. Please enact every possible ordinance to limit the
consumption of alcohol by irresponsible drinkers. Thank you.
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February 6, 2001
Dear City Council Members:
Students at the University of Iowa including myself would like to express our
disappointment that the city decided not to support the students once again. I feel this is a
poor message to send out; especially when students are a large portion of this town end
our money helps operate this city.
It really hurts me to know one mason the mayor voted NO to give RiverFest funding was
because "it seemed like en annual commitment". In my opinion that is a poor excuse.
Recently, there has been much debate on drinking ordinances in Iowa City. The city
cotmcil wanted students to be responsible drinkers and underage students to seek
alternatives to going to the bar. When students approach you for help to expand this
vision and goal, you deny their request.
The past week, I have viewed several newspaper articles end saw some responses of
council members. To my surprise a repeated response was "we know what the problem
is; however we need to find a solution?' The University of Iowa students gave you a
possible solution: help fund non-alcoholic programming. So I pose this question to you:
Are you really looking for a solution to what you perceive to be a problem?
Another reason for denying the request was the city did not went to increase programs
and funding. Once again, this reason is unacceptable. This is the 23ra annual RiverFest,
en event that costs approximately $75,000 end is organized and implemented by 14
students. The money the city and community will receive fi'om revenue end taxes will be
far above that amount. These actions have shown students how hypocritical you are.
The students are asked to give more and more. Especially with the property taxes
increase. As a result to this decision rents around town has gone up around $50 per
month. Where is the reciprocity?
During the past city council election students were viewed as apathetic to voting. Some
reasons are because we felt that the city does not care about the students unless they are
issuing a possession ticket. In the past week, I have seen this notion to have some merit
and truth. However, with this new election in November approaching, I guarantee you
that University of Iowa students voice will be heard.
Sincerely,
Marquez Brown
Concerned Student
UISG Drinking Behavior Survey Question #4
General Comments
4. Why do you choose to drink?
Choice Votes Approximate %
N/A 142 11% *
Reward hard work 55 4%
Relieve stress 90 7%
Social activity 843 65% ......
To get drunk 45 3%
Other 125 10% *
Total 1300
According to the survey results, a majority of the University of Iowa students who
filled out the online survey, say they drink as a social activity. A lot of responses
focused on the "activity" aspect of it, such as wanting to be with friends, and
many also focused on the lack of other activities in Iowa City. There were some
responses that said students drink to reward themselves with a few drinks to
relieve stress. The fewest responses sited "to get drunk."
-Summary by Dan Patterson, UISG
UISG Drinking Behavior Survey Question #7
General Comments
7. Do you feel limiting out-of-sight alcohol sales in Iowa City bars will
decrease the levels of dangerous drinking and/or underage drinking
rates?
Choice Votes Approximate %
Yes 167 13% *
No 1133 87% ........
Total 1300
The majority of students who responded to the survey said they do not believe that
limiting "out of sight sales" would be effective truly affective in reducing underage or
binge drinking. A lot of participants cited reasons such as "if people want it, they will get
it," and also cited those who were under 21 would still attain fake ID's.
-Summary by Dan Patterson, UISG
UISG Drinking Behavior Survey Question #8
General Comments
8. Do you feel that laws enacted by the Iowa City Council limiting price
specials and/or setting a minimum price for drinks will decrease the level
of dangerous drinking behavior and/or underage drinking at the University of
Iowa?
Choice Votes Approximate %
Yes 185 14% *
No 1115 86% ********
Total 1300
Executive summary of responses
In general, most students responding to this survey do not think that limiting price
specials and/or setting a minimum price for drinks will have huge impacts on the
level of dangerous or underage drinking. Most comments state that students
who want to drink, will drink, regardless of cost---and that it is a behavior inherent
in college life everywhere. A number of comments do note that a some students
will be limited because of the financial strains of being a college student. Many
students also believe that people will "pre-party" more before they go out to the
bars.
-Summary by Andy Stoll, UISG
UISG Drinking Behavior Survey Question #9
General Comments
9. If alternative venues (movie theaters, alcohol free dance clubs, shopping,
concerts, recreational facilities) were available late at night, would these
decrease dangerous drinking behavior and/or underage drinking in the Iowa
City community?
Choice Votes Approximate %
Yes 772 59% *****
No 528 41% ....
Total 1300
Executive summary of responses
Yes, alternate activities to the bars would be affectlye in lowering underage and
binge drinking rates in Iowa City. It is important that these activities be well
publicized, constantly scheduled, and at times that reflect students behavior (i.e.
activities that start after 9 pm or so and continue until 2 am or later).
It is likely, that these alternate activities would not affect those students who were
extreme drinkers or who specifically went out to get drunk, but these activities
would have an affect on many bar patrons who are simply looking for a place to
be social and have fun. The most common suggestions included (in no particular
order) a bowling alley, non-alcoholic club, late-night movies at a modern day
movie theater, buses to Planet X or the mall, and more concerts.
-Summary by Andy Stoll, UISG
UISG Drinking Behavior Survey Question #11
General Comments
11. Which of the following actions by the Iowa City Council do you think would be most
effective in decreasing binge rates in Iowa City?
Choice Votes Approximate %
Limiting access... 110 8%
Increased law enfor,.. 60 5%
Restricting special... 111 9%
Setting min price... 62 5%
Working to provide... 315 24% **
Requiring wrist ba.., 54 4%
Limiting # of alco... 24 2%
Encourage business,.. 99 8%
Mandatory ID scann... 49 4%
Making bar owners/... 240 18% *
Other 176 14% *
Total 1300
Executive summary of responses
The main theme of students' responses is that City Council can't stop binge
drinking, because most people go to bars to get drunk. Therefore, most students
felt that drinkers will find a way to get around any rules that City Council passes
against binge drinking,
However, most students also felt that there are several steps that the city council
can take to reduce binge drinking in Iowa City. For example, many respondents
called on bar owners to monitor and act on people with excessive drinking
behavior. In addition, some people felt that binge drinkers might be deter by
higher fines, and that students should be educated on the dangers of binge
drinking.
- Summary by Chih King, UISG
UISG Drinking Behavior Survey Question #12
General Comments
12. Which of the following actions by the Iowa City Council do you think would be most effective
in decreasing underage drinking rates in Iowa City?
Choice Votes Approximate %
Limiting access... 110 8%
Increased law enfor,,. 60 5%
Restricting special.,. 111 9%
Setting rain price... 62 5%
Working to provide,.. 315 24% **
Requiring wrist ba... 54 4%
Limiting # of alco... 24 2%
Encourage business... 99 8%
Mandatory IE) scann... 49 4%
Making bar owners/... 240 18% *
Other 176 14% *
Total 1300
Executive summary of responses
The general feeling of the University of iowa students is that even if city council
takes drastic measures to curb underage drinking, there will always be underage
drinking in towa City. If the bars become 21-only, the minors will still have access
to alcohol through house parties or friends.
However, there are several steps that the city council can take to reduce the
amount of underage drinking in Iowa City. For example, many respondents cited
ID bracelets and mandatory ID scanners as a good way to discourage minors
from consuming alcohol. In addition, the City Council should provide alternative
entertainment options for students in general, such as concerEs, non-alcoholic
dance club, and bowling bowt alley.
- Summary by Chih King, UISG
UISG Drinking Behavior Survey
Additional Comments
Executive summary of responses
A large number of opinions are expressed, there are many insightful and
interesting comments that summarize thoughts found throughout the survey
results.
-Summary by Andy Stoll, UISG
· . Government (UISG) Online Survey on
Drinking Behavior
Presented to the Iowa City City Council, February 6th, 2001
A total of 1,300 students responded to the 14-question survey. Below are the
numerical responses to all questions, and attached to this packet are executive
summaries of the additional written comments from the survey (the executive
summaries are the gold packet).
Please contact UISG President Andy Stoll at 335-3576 or Andrew-
Stoll~uiowa.edu with questions or comments.
!..How often do you consume alcohol?
Choice Votes Approximate %
Never 128 10%
Rarely 362 28% **
Once a week 332 26% **
Twice a week 337 26% **
More that 3 times... 141 11%
Total 1300
2. When you drink, how many drinks do you consume (one beer, one mixed drink, or one
shot constitute one drink)?
Choice Votes Approximate %
N/A 129 10%
1 91 7%
2 219 17% *
3 235 18% *
4 210 16% *
5 or more 416 32% ***
Total 1300
3. When you drink, how many hours pass before you stop?
Choice Votes Approximate %
N/A 157 12%
1 103 8%
2 210 16% *
3 352 2 7% **
4 300 2 3% **
5 or more 178 14%
Total 13 0 0
4, Why do you choose to drink?
Choice Votes Approximate %
N/A 142 11% *
Reward hard work 55 4%
Relieve stress 90 7%
Social activity 843 65% ...... ADDITIONAL COMMENTS
To get drunk 45 3%
Other 125 10% *
Total 1300
5, Of those UI students who drink, do you think that a majority do so
responsibly?
Choice Votes Approximate %
Always 35 3%
Most of the time 542 42% ....
Sometimes 503 39% ***
Rarely 206 16% *
Never 14 1%
Total 1300
6. Complete the statement: Compared to other college students, University
of Iowa students drink:
Choice Votes Approximate %
More responsibly 141 11%
With equal responsibility. 773 59% .....
Less responsibly 151 12%
I have no basis for comparison 235 18%
Total 1300
7. Do you feel limiting out-of-sight alcohol sales in Iowa City bars will
decrease the levels of dangerous drinking and/or underage drinking rates?
Choice Votes Approximate %
Yes 167 13%
No 1133 87% ........ ADDITIONAL COMMENTS
Total 1300
8. Do you feel that laws enacted by the iowa City Council limiting price
specials and/or setting a minimum price for drinks will decrease the level
of dangerous drinking behavior and/or underage drinking at the University of
Iowa?
Choice Votes Approximate %
Yes 185 14% *
No 1115 86% ........ ADDITIONAL COMMENTS
Total 1300
9. If alternative venues (movie theaters, alcohol free dance clubs, shopping,
concerts, recreational facilities) were available late at night, would these
decrease dangerous drinking behavior and/or underage drinking in the Iowa
City community?
Choice Votes Approximate %
Yes 772 59% .....
No 528 41% .... ADDITIONAL COMMENTS
Total 1300
10. How often do the second hand effects of irresponsible drinking (such
as taking care of a roommate, vandalism, noise, etc.) affect you?
Choice Votes Approximate %
Never 177 14% *
Rarely 577 44% ....
Sometimes 340 2 6% **
Frequently 115 9%
Every weekend 91 7%
Total 1300
11, Which of the following actions by the Iowa City Council do you think
would be most effective in decreasing hinge rates in Iowa City?
Choice Votes Approximate %
Limiting access to the bars to those over the age of 21 110 8%
Increased law enforcement 60 5%
Restricting price specials 111 9%
Setting minimum prices for drinks 62 5%
Working to provide other late night activities 315 24% **
Requiring wrist bands for 21 year olds 54 4%
Limiting # of alcohol licenses in an area 24 2%
Encourage business to stay open later/offer late night services 99 8%
Mandatory ID scanners 49 4%
Making bar owners more responsible for what goes on in their bar 240 18% *
Other 176 14% *
Total 1300 ADDITIONAL COMMENTS
12. Which of the following actions by the Iowa City Council do you think
would be most effective in decreasing underage drinking rates in iowa City?
Choice Votes Approximate %
Limiting access to the bars to those over the age of 21 239 18%
Increased law enforcement 54 4%
Restricting price specials 12 1%
Setting min prices for drinks 5 0%
Working to provide other late night activities 323 2 5% **
Requiring wrist bands for 21 year olds 164 13% *
Limiting # of alcohol licenses in an area 11 1%
Encourage businesses to stay open later / offer late night services 83 6%
Mandatory IDscanners 131 10% *
Making bar owners more responsible for what goes on in there bar 51 12% *
Other 127 10% *
Total 1300 ADDITIONAL COMMENTS
13. Which of the following actions by the University do you think would be
most effective in decreasing hinge rates in Iowa City?
Choice Votes Approximate %
Sponsor more student run late night activities 214 16%
Provide alternative activities 290 22% **
Extend facility hours (like fitness facilities 86 7%
Education 127 10%
Promote a more social atmosphere in student
centered buildings like the IMU 323 25% **
More strictly enforce already existing rules 114 9%
Other 146 11%
Total 1300
14. Which of the following actions by the University do you think would be
most effective in decreasing underage drinking rates in Iowa City?
Choice Votes Approximate %
Sponsor more student run late night activities.., 218 17% *
Provide alternative activities 356 2 7% **
Extend facility hours (like fitness facilities 90 7%
Education 67 5%
Promote a more social atmosphere in student
centered buildings like the IMU 290 22% **
More strictly enforce of already existing rules 146 11% *
Other 133 10% *
Total 1300
ADDITIONAL GENERAL COMMENTS
UISG Drinking Behavior Survey Question #4
General Comments
4. Why do you choose to drink?
Choice Votes Approximate %
N/A 142 11% *
Reward hard work 55 4%
Relieve stress 90 7%
Social activity 843 65% ......
To get drunk 45 3%
Other 125 10% *
Total 1300
According to the survey results, a majority of the University of Iowa students who
filled out the online survey, say they drink as a social activity. A lot of responses
focused on the "activity" aspect of it, such as wanting to be with friends, and
many also focused on the lack of other activities in Iowa City. There were some
responses that said students drink to reward themselves with a few drinks to
relieve stress. The fewest responses sited "to get drunk."
-Summary by Dan Patterson, UISG
4. Why do you choose to drink
Choice Votes Approximate %
N/A 142 11% *
Reward hard work 55 4%
Relieve stress 90 7%
Social activity 843 65% ......
To get drunk 45 3%
Other 125 10% *
Total 1300
Social Activity and Being a college student
A few drinks after a long day helps decrease tension and allows for a
better sleep
social activity and to relieve stress
It is a mixture of the above.
I find the effects of alcohol quite enjoyable.
All of the above, depending on the day and situation
i enjoy the feeling. it is in no way an escape, soemthing to make myself
feel better.
several of the above apply: reward hard work relieve stress social
activity
There is nothing better to do in this boring town.
Drink with meal
my friends made me
Thirsty
all of the above except reward for hard work
i don't need it to have fun
all of the above except to get drunk
It's nice to be able to go out, have some fun with your friends, dance,
have a few drinks to relax and forget about the daily rigors of school
life for a night.
Most all normal collge students drink. It's pretty much assumed at all
colleges that weekends are made for partying, which usually involves
alcohol and illegal drugs.
to reward hard work, relieve stress and blow off steam, AND as a social
interaction.
A special occation, a special dinner, etc.
fun
I normally have a glass or two of red wine after a long day of classes to
relax and enjoy with my meals. I enjoy eating red meat, so the red wine
not only tastes good with it, but also is good for my heart (which
unfortunately, the red meat isn't).
special occasions
have fun
Because I like to enjoy a glass of wine or a nice beer once in a while,
socially or with a meal.
I never drink soly for the purpose to get drunk. I use it to Iosen up
after a rough couple of weeks and hang out with friends.
All of the listed answered are true for many students, plus other unlisted
reasons. Most students drink for a variety of reasons. I don't believe
most students can pinpoint it to one single reason.
i enjoy it
I like the taste of beer and enjoy a cold beverage after a hard days work.
All of the above, in different cases.
because I like the taste of beer
it all depends on the time of year and what's going on in my life.. i have
a child so i can't drink often or to get really really drunk
Because I enjoy the flavor of the alcohol I consume. All of the above
assume that anyone who drinks does so for the wrong reasons(all of the
above are indications of alcoholic tendencies). I often have a beer or a
glass of wine or two with a meal. This type of drinking does not fall
under any of the above choices.
communion with others during special occasions (wine with the meal)
Also to reward hard work
Special Occations like New Years, birthdays...
To celebrate
because i enjoy it.
All of the above plus there's nothing else to do in this city. If there
are other activities, they're not being advertised very well.
to toast something, so just one drink
the taste of it
a glass of wine with dinner
enjoy it
its nice to have wine with dinner
I enjoy getting crazy with my friends. It lets me not worry about
everything for one night.
all of the above
Like the taste / is something that I would like right then
Really I do it for all of those reasons but at different times. Usually
it just helps me unwind and relax.
it is for many reasons, not just one. i drink to have fun with friends and
be social, and yes i like the feeling of being drunk as well.
There are times that I just feel like drinking. I don't drink to get
drunk cause I stop myself and I know when to stop.
all of the above and more
It is relaxing to have a couple of drinks at dinner, watching sports, etc.
I choose to drink for many reasons. The reasons listed above are some of
my reasons to drink. I have fun when I drink. However, I do not need to
drink to have fun, I am able to control my actions when I drink.
Depends on the situations. To reward hard work by getting drunk.
For all of those reasons and more
It's an immediate happiness, and it balances the stress that I get from
school, work, and money concerns.
Drinking, for many, is a security blanket; however, I choose to drink in
excess because it seems as though Iowa City offers no alternative and
nearly everyone I know does the same.
I work for a beer distributor. I am out at least three nights a week
working and generally consume responsibly each time I am out in order to
promote our product.
To get drunk and have fun. But I don't drink to have fun. There is a
difference
a mixture of 2,3, and 4
all of the above ... it's fun, it feels good.
All of the above, just depends on the day
Combination of some of the above.
with dinner sometimes
Because of the taste
All of those reasons
Something to do.
Due to religious beliefs, I see drinking as a negative act of
irrisponsibility and a hazard to the whole of society.
How can you limit to just one I drink to relieve stress on the weekdays
and the only way to relieve stress is to get drunk. VVno doesn't think
drinking is a social activity on the weekends? Who wrote this survey?
Relieve stress and social activity
To relax, have fun and interact with friends.
one or two drinks every now and then. Like I do, about every other week I
guess, are good for the soul. I grew up in an irish family, and my dad
always came home from work and had a few beers. If I go out on a saturday
nite, and have one or two drinks. I do not think it is wrong ,and I drink
them slowly over the course of the evening.
often just one or two drinks to wind down at the end of the day or to
reward myself at the end of a huge endeavor (as in an exam or thesis). but
also as a social thing with close friends, but never ever for the purpose
of getting drunk. i prefer to keep my senses with me!
As an occassional night out with friends or my spouse. or as an
accompaniment to a meal.
i have fun when i sit around with my friends or we go to the bar for a few
drinks.
To drink something that tastes good and different then the everyday stuff
A mixture of all of the selections
Sometimes I just want to. not to get drunk but just because I think it
sounds good.
Because it's fun and it makes thing a little more fun than usual and
there's nothing else to do.
All of the above - its college
relieve stress and a social activity....we're in the middle of iowa, there
isn't that much to do
one or a combination of socializing, relieveing stress or rewarding hard
work
because I actually like beer. Ever think of that?
To have fun
I enjoy having a drink now and then
Wine with a meal
Depends. I really like the taste of beer. When I drink, I drink because
I want to, not because I feel pressured to. People who use that excuse
are lame and have no identity. Sometimes I just go Out and have a beer..1
beer, yet since I may do it several times a week the city council terms it
as unhealthy
I have fun drinkning, and i like to hang out with my friends, and drink.
We watch movies, watch sporting events, and sometimes go to parties or
bars.
Tastes good with meals.
I just like the taste of beer.
To relax and loosen up a bit
To celebrate the New Year. Enough said.
I have had drinks with jewish holidays and new years... but not more then
one as answered previously
Very rarely; although sometimes a glass of wine with dinner
the taste of the beverage
To increase the loveliness, communal supportive spirit & relaxation
accompanying sil~ing around w/my friends, talking & just being.
More than one of the above; social activity, relieve stress, celebrate,
relax, meet people
I don't drink because I'am here to grow as a person not a lush!
I don't want to lose control, so i don't. Most that I know just do it to
get drunk.
I believe that I choose to drink for a combination of reasons. There are
times that I go out because my friends are(social activity); times when I
am finished with my classes and I choose to drink(reward); and there are
times that I just have a drink or two to relieve stress. It depends on
the situation.
Personally, i see drinking as a social activity- i am responsible w/my
drinking and do not use it negatively- such as "a release," i never have
intentions to drink to GET DRUNK, and being drunk may possibly lead to
irresponsible activities- not a good idea of course]
to relax responsibly after a tough day or during a social occasion
lots of reasons and it is not to get drunk it is to have a good time
To have a glass of wine with a meal, or with friends
To "get away" from everything.....ifs a way to just "let yourself go"
A combo of relieving stress, reward hard work, and to go out with my
friends
Combination of many things, stress, reward for hard work, it gives me the
ability to be out and be social, etc etc etc
I drink for several reasons. Because it is the only socialy exceptable thing to do on a friday or
Saturday night. And because drinking has unjustly been decleared an
illegal activity for young ADULTs to engage in and I consume alachol in
protest.
I enjoy the taste of the beverages.
I like to do it
I drink once a year at my family christmas party, because there is always
a lot of Baley's Irish Cream flying around and I like how it tastes.
All of the above. How can you generalize (questions 1-4) so blatantly?
All of the above
There aren't many things to do with your friends besides go to the bars.
...besides drinking I can hang out with my friends and relieve stress.
taste (food enhancement)
because i can
Family celebrations and/or holidays
I drink because I feel like it.lhave different reasons for why I
drink. Sometimes it is just to get drunk because it makes you feel
good .Other reasons is because of rewards.A person should not be judge
because they drink,but because of what happens when they drink. You can be
18 or 19 and act accordingly or you can be 45 and still cannot control
your liquor.
Sometimes to releive stress, sometimes as a social activity, always to get
drunk, and for something to do with my hands between songs.
All of the above
Enjoy the taste
good time..nothing else to do
I choose not to drink because I feel excessive drinking is wrong. I don't
drink at all because I feel that it would lead to temptations that I
could not withstand and there really is no real good reason to drink
alcohol. Especially since it has so many bad affects.
Because I like to drink and it's fun.
all of the above and then some
Taste of beer
many reasons
There is no particular reason why I choose to drink.
After a long week at school, it's great to go out with your friends, meet
new people, have a couple drinks and a laugh or two. If it's treated
responsibly. drinking is not dangerous. One needs to be educated and the
education is out there waiting for someone to loot at it.
I ddnk for different reasons at different times. Sometimes it is for
social reasons and others to just maybe calm my nerves.
To have fun,
I like the taste of fine imported beers. Also, as a social activity.
Because I can
All of the reasons above except to simply get drunk. Social, relieve
stress and to reward hard work
usually wine with a meal
wine with a nice meal. or occasionally with friends
UISG Drinking Behavior Survey Question #7
General Gomments
7. De you feel limiting out-of-sight alcohol sales in Iowa Gity bars will
decrease the levels of dangerous drinking and/or underage drinRing
rates?
Yes '167 '13% *
NO 1133 87% ........
TOtal 1300
The majority of students who responded to the survey said they do not believe that
limiting "out of sight sales" would be effective truly affective in reducing underage or
binge drinking. A lot of participants cited masons such as "if people want it, they will get
it," and also cited those who were under 21 would still attain fake ID's.
-Summary by Dan Patterson, UISG
7. Do you feel limiting out-of-sight alcohol sales in Iowa City bars will
decrease the levels of dangerous drinking and/or underage drinking rates?
Choice Votes Approximate %
Yes 167 13% *
No 1133 87% ........
Total 1300
The students here seem so a custom to drinking that I believe they will
find a way to get the alcohol
Because laws like that will destroy the downtown's economy. Look at all
the the restuarants that thrive on the bar crowds.
Because 18- to 20-year-old adult college students are going to drink when
they feel like it, regardless of limits on drink sales, bar admittance,
etc. While limiting out-of-sight alcohol sales in bars may stifle a few
people's attempts to get a drink a few times, it will do nothing to get at
the heart of the binge-drinking problem in Iowa City and will probably
only result in more trips to the bar for the designated of-age drinker of
the party. It will also be an inconvenience for those adults of the legal
age.
Students will just spend more time at pre-parties or drinking in their
dorms.
If people have the money...they WILL buy the beer..it will also only crowd
the bars and create high levels of tension when people get drunk and need
a beer
Because students will always be able to find fake id's that will allow
them to consume alcohol, they will buy other places
Let's face it. The bars make money, and employees who work on any given
night are there to make money. Period. Especially waitresses- most
likely to receive tips.
Drinking is going to happen whether there are drink specials or not. If
bars are more strict than students will just find somewhere else to drink.
I believe that students will continue to drink no matter what the price of
alcohol is or whether or not there are drink specials. My reason for
believing so is the fact that that most students go out on the weekend
when there are no drink specials.
Because people always find a way to get around the system. Someone is
always there to purchase alcohol for underage drinkers and people who tend
to drink "dangerously" will do so regardless.
Kids will always find a way to get booze
Other people would be able to buy for you
They have no real connection to each other.
People will drink no matter what.
people will be able to get drinks one way or another.
Go out on a Friday or Saturday night. Everyone out is 18 and wasted. I
can tell because I am 22 and everyone is so young that is out at most
bars. If the city wanted to decrease drinking in Iowa City-it would be so
easy. But underage drinking makes too much money for the city so it's
gotta stay the way it is. Keep it though-if 18 is old enough to fight a
war, it's old enough to drink some beer. And kids are going to drink no
matter what. Keep the money in the city and away from the house parties.
I'd rather see the kid's money be used to better the town that I live in.
I think that there will be some improvement at the beginning but overall I
don't believe it will decrease anything. If kids want to drink, they will
probably due everything they can to get around laws.
people are still going to find out about them
People will get alcohol no matter what regulations are imposed that
ultimately do nothing but punish good people and limit everyone's freedom.
students will find other ways to get alcohol. friends will buy for them,
drinking will move from bars to other places. Such as parties off campus
which might encourage driving drunk.
What happened to carding those who were buying the alcohol? One person
should not be buying several drinks at one time, because chances are that
they are not going to drink them all themselves, and if they are then they
are drinking responsibly.
Alcohol is easy to get through other avenues.
most students will continue to drink even if there are no sales, they
might decide to drink somewhere else besides the bar
That's not to say I think it's a good idea, but it would decrease them.
Students will find a way to drink no matter what the city does, whether by
getting fake ID's, using older buyers, or going to house parties. You can
change the rule but the amount of alcohol consumed is NOT going to change.
People are going to do what they want to do. And the reality is that most
people go to the bars to get really drunk.
If students want to drink they will find a way, whether it is in a bar or
at a party elsewhere
Students will bring their drinking to house parties, which would lead to
drunk driving.
the students will always find ways around it
College students are going to find a way to drink regardless of the sales.
Because it will move the drinking from the close downtown bars to houses
and surrounding little city bars.
People enjoy drinking plain and simple. They will continue to drink the
amount the desire whether these sales are done or not.
Because they will always find a way around the law
When people go to get drunk they ddnk before the bars. because the bars
are too expensive. House parties are where most people get drunk
If an underage person is on a mission to get drunk or to have a few beers.
they will get beer. By limiting out of sight sales you just cause more of
a headache to the guy/girl buying the beer for the underage person.
However much of a headache buying beer for younger people is for the
person buying it, the buying will continue.
because it is just as easy to drink alcohol at a house party
ITS LIKE THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT. IF YOU DO SOMETHING TQ TAKE IT AWAY IT WILL
BE THAT MUCH MORE TEMPTING. IF PEOPLE WANT BEER THEY WILL GET IT
Underage students will get fake ID's so they can drink at the bar.
Students over 21 can just go back up to the bar to a different bartender
to get another drink for e friend. They can get alcohol outside of the
bars and drink anyway.
People that drink are going to ddnk. And limiting any kind of sales in
Iowa City, will only allow people to go other places for it.
Students drink more at house parlies or private gatherings than at the
bars. It's just too easy to get caught in public.
if people want it bad enough...you are going to get it
Students will only figure other means in possessing alcohol.
It is impossible to curve underage drinking because peolpe always want
what they can't have
Seriously, the only thing that is going to reduce underage drinking IN
BARS is a 21 age limit. People are still going to drink and probably more
dangerously because house parlies provide much cheaper alcohol. Proposed
limits will only make the bars less enjoyable for many people and puish
drinking into a more volatile setting.
WE WILL STILL FIND A WAY TO DRINK
Students will drink regardless. At least now it in a safer, public
environment than if it were all underground.
if people really wanted to have a drink then it will be no way of stopping
them. They will find a way to get a drink.
No people are going to drink regardless of this...however by deturing bars
to have this specials...will deter people from going to the bars based on
expense...and this will lead to more parlies where I have foind that
drinking gets more out of hand because there is no regulkation..at a bar
there are boincers or even cops...at house parties people aren't as scared
to go crazy_by getting rid of deals the driking will spred out and be
harder to control...and it might lead to drunk driving if the parties are
further away...all in all people go to bars to socialize...the drink
specials help luire them in..but in the end people are going to drink_the
question is do you want it concentrated in one area...or spred out...for
me I would take the concentrated area
If an underage person wants to drink in a bar, there isn't too much of a
problem for them to find someone 21 to buy alcohol for them if they don't
have a fake ID. People are going to drink a lot if they want to, limiting
out-of-sight sales isn't going to have the effect that the City Council is
hoping for.
There is always a way around
Bars are only one way to obtain alcoholic beverages. At[east when people
drinkin bars they are not alone and unsupervised, they have their friends
to look out for them unlike some other drinking situations.
if people want to drink they will get it.
Because people are going to find a way to drink no matter what.
People don't really care. They will buy alcohol regardless of what the
price is.
Yes. I think there needs to be a tight crackdown on drinking,no one under
21 should ever be allowed in a bar, and fines for underage drinking and
driving while intoxicated should be exceptionally harsh.
People will buy alcohol despite out-of-sight sales and other regulations.
People want to drink and it should be there choice if they want to be
irresponsible or not, not the City Council
Underagers would still get the drinks
I think if the students want to drink they will find a way to do it. even
if they aren't in a bar.
People go to the bars to drink. They are going to keep drinking, no
matter how much it costs.
If people want to drink, they will find ways to drink. Just limiting
"out-of-sight sales" will not stop people from drinking where they live,
or having people who are old enough buy drinks for them in and out of
bars.
If students want to drink, they will no matter what.
If people want to drink. they'll get it from somewhere regardless of the
laws.
Because people will still buy for minors, even if they have to go to the
bar. Plus a lot of drinking begins before the bars where there is no
control.
because now people will drink at home or at parties at a much greater rate
where worse things could happen to them
less promotion will bring about less drinking (at leasst in public
establishments)
Limiting out-of-sight sales has no bearing on the amount of alcohol
someone consumes. Any decrease in underage drinking by limiting
out-of-sight sales at the bars will be offset by more underage drinking at
other locations.
People always find a way to get what they want irregardless of
regulations.
Because at all the bars in Iowa City even the bartenders sell to minors.
They never ask to see your stamp or wrist band. Limiting out-of-site
sales won't do any good. What needs to be done is having responsible
bartenders who will not sell to minors at all.
because people will find some other place and/or some other way to get
alcohol that may be even more dangerous.
If they want to drink, they'll get it whether they am in bars, private
homes. etc.
Students will drink at college...even if the alcohol isn't as easily
available to them, they will find ways. Making it harders to obtain
alcohol will only make students want to rebel and drink more.
if there is a will there is a way
I think the council needs to be really careful how they change the law.
If they mess with the bars too much i fear that padies will become more
popular and I really think bars are more safe than parties.
It is only going to upset people
Because people always find a way to get their alcohol. It will only hurt
the bars' business at most.
If students are at a bar or pub, they are still going to buy drinks
regardless of the degree of drink specials.
Those who choose to drink irresponsibly will do so regardless and no
matter what the limitations are. It'sjust another opportunity to rebel
against an unidentifiable authority.
there will always be other places to go to
there are many other places that students can purchase alcohol
People will continue to drink in the same fashion - they'll just find
other ways to do it!
People do what they like to do no matter what the cost. Where will the
advertising restrictions end? Will cigarettes no longer be on-sale? What
about fast food? These things in excess are also bad for people. As far as
the bars, I think sales are a necessary part of competitive business.
just get it somewhere else
Because under-age drinkers will just get drunk before they go to the bars
or choose to go to more house parties, which are not as safe as drinking
in bars because of driving issues, binge drinking issues and sexual
assault potential.
People are going to drink if they want to. If you make it harder for them
to in the bars, they'll go to a party. It doesnt make a difference to
them.
I think the problem needs to be addressed at the source: irresponsible
individual behavior and poor parenfing. Bar owners should not be held
accountable simply for accommodating all entering patrons. A bookstore is
not held accountable when a psychotic purchases "The Anarchist's Cookbook"
and then proceeds to blow up a schoolbus. Stiffer penalties should be
imposed on all drinking-related offenses, including DUI, public intox
(which is obnoxious anyway), etc. Generate revenue for the city with
those fines, and curb the drinking problem without socking it to bar
owners.
If people want to drink, they are going to find a way no matter what. I
think it may hinder people for a while, but they will find a way
eventually.
If people want to drink...they will drink!
Students will leave Iowa City's bars and find other options for getting
alcohol. I heard a bus driver talking about the out-of-sight policy, and
he said that students were chartering buses to go to TiptoWs bars. Not
only does this show the lengths to which U of Iowa's students will go to
drink, but this will also cause Iowa City's downtown area to lose a lot of
needed business income.
because the changes proposed will only make our problems on this campus
worse. We are legal adults and our parents have sent us on to school. If
they think we are capable of making our own decisions then we must be.
People will always find someone who is 21 to buy for them.
By out-of-sight sales, I assume you mean not advertising... in that case,
possibly, cuz right now I know I have to cut back on drinking, not that I
do it often, because my money supply is dwindling.
Because students will drink regardless of whether the alcohol is
"out-of-sight" or not. They will find a way.
People will drink at every college, no matter what limits are put on at
the bars. If they start cracking down on underaged drinking at bars,
people will go to house parties which are less safe and not restricted at
all. At least at bars there is some sort of supervision.
VVnen a student wants to drink, they'll do it at a bar, in their dorm, at a
house party, or anywhere else. Higher prices for drinking at bars will
only lead to more "pre-partying" and less money made by the bars and city.
At least in the bars students can be looked over, at house parties and
dorm rooms it is much more probable that the students will drink more than
at bars.
It's going to happen. During prohibitition people still a way to drink.
People are going to drink legally or illegally.
Students will still be able to obtain alcohol and possibly drink more
while sitting at home'. Also, people will possibly do more dangerous
forms of drugs that can't be done in public.
students are going to acquire alcohol by other means. students have been
doing this for decades,
I don't think anything will decrease these rates...and I don't really know
what out of sight alcohol sales is...so I can't really address this
specifically.
If people want to drink, they'll find a way
If people want to drink, they're going to seek out the alcohol, Wherever
it is being served.
Underage drinkers have been, are, and will always look for a way around
the rules. By limiting out of sight sales, i believe it will drive
underage drinkers to drink in uncontroled places more so than now. I
believe this is more potentialy dangerous.
People will still drink, no matter what the price is.
People always find away around rules and regulations,
Nearly every undrage minor knows some non-bartender person who is either
1 ) of age or 2) holds wild, raucous parties where alchohol is readily
available.
Because people will buy their own alcohol before they go out and get drunk
at home or just spend more money to drink if specials aren't available.
You won't be changing anything by limiting alcohol sales.
Because the bars are already too expensive, it will just make more people
more likely to drink other places. It will not decrease drinking rates. I
think people will consume more becasue when drinking at home or at parties
there's no on to stop you, where as at a bar they have trained workers who
can tell when someone needs to quit drinking or go home.
They will find other ways around it and continue to drink if they are
underage.
I think that people will drink, whether you limit anything or not! I
don't feel that you can MAKE someone act more responsibly. If it's not
available in bars, people will get it elsewhere,
It is patently unenforceable. There is nothing about any of the laws that
have been drafted that could ever be practically enforced. The lawmakers
know this, which is why they have set the fines so high to establish a
preemptive deterrent effect. But when you're dealing with an economic
incentive that is so great and a population whose drinking will impair
their sensibilities, you are writing yourself an impotent law and a recipe
for student rebellion.
the lack of sales will only draw more students to house parties where
there is a lack of supervision and personel to limit drinks, unlike at the
bars
I don't think much will affect underage drinking in this city. People are
going to get alcohol if they want it. I think the only sure bet would be
to make the city 21. I'm sure people would still drink, but it would be
more of an at home thing which could be safer at least.
No matter what laws are passed, if people want to drink they are going
to find a way to drink as much and as often as they want to.
This is a tough call, if people want to drink a lot they will. If the law
would decrease those levels, I don't think it would decrease them
significantly because people can still buy pitchers (which is the most
common for people getting so drunk, I think), or they may all have to go
to the counter (or a couple more people) to get drinks.
controlling the manner in which a substance is distributed does nothing to
teach individuals about the responsibility of substance use. If students
can't get alcohol in the bars, they will go somewhere else. People are
creatures of habit and will not simply decide to be better people over
night.
nothing else to do
i only think it will become worse because people will drink in houses-
which involves driving and passing other houses- more rape will also take
place
Those who want to drink will patronize the local liquor store instead of
going to a bar. Moreover, those who are underage and want to drink will
have their friends who are 21 or over buy the liquor and drink it with
him/her.
people will get what they want, and it will also slow down the sales
process
I believe that if people try to limit "dangerous drinking" in the bars
that this so called "dangerous drinking" Will only be done else Where.
College students who want to get drunk will find a way.
If people Want to drink regarldess if there are drink sales or not, they
will. Therefore I do not think that limiting these sales will decrease
anyone's drinking,
If people are not going to be able to go to the bars to drink, they will
just find party's to go to. There is a less chance of getting alcohol
poisoning at a bar, then at a party. The bars are better supervised and
can be monitered.
I think that it will make it more difficult for students to purchase
alcohol, therefore discouraging some of them from continuing to drink.
Out-of-sight sales am an extremely simple way for minors to obtain
alcohol.
If people want to get dangerously drunk, or underagers want to drink, they
will find the money somehow, because those people who do these things
consistently, are usually not responsible anyway, because they think they
have no responsibility, financially or otherwise.
I think a lot of students drink because it's simply so much easier to do
so rather than find something else to do.
Bars are likely the easiest group to blame for underage drinking, because
they are easy to define and are all grouped within close proximity.
Removal of out-of-sight sales only moves underage drinking to less safe
environments like house parties. Members of bar staff who I know are very
good at seeing to the safety of their customers, and house parties are
notorious for having a general lack of regard for guests. In all honesty,
eliminating out of sight sales only shifts the problem elsewhere. and
creates no real impact on the problem of underage drinking. The problem
of underage drinking is more of an issue that has to be evaluated within a
larger social context at a younger age than at the college level. People
who drank during highschool tend to drink in college, and vice versa. We
need to target the funds and energies at making high school students see
the harm from excessive drinking. By the time students are in college, we
should not need the City Council to act as a second parental unit.
If kids want to drink they will find a way to do so.
Students still have access to alcohol!
people will always drink stopping one way just will create another
I don't feel that there is currently a dangerous level of drinking.
Therefore they do not need to reduce specials.
someone wants to drink, they'll find other ways to do so.
If people are going out with the intent to get drunk they will find a way
to do it, such as prepartying at someone's place so they only need to buy
a couple drinks when they get to the bars.
Students are going to drink no matter what happens. By limiting the
out-of-sight alcohol sales will just move the drinking to other places.
The University has to start changing the way people look at drinking and
the reasons why they drink. The University need to offer more
non-alcoholic events and have the whole campus involved,
Unfortunately - students will drink regardless of the dollar amount
involved. If a student is drinking in the absence of a "deal" they may
actually become unaware of the money they are spending due to their
increasing intoxication. Concurrently, in the light of "deals" students
will perhaps continue to drink beyond their limits due to the costs
involved, or lack there of. What worries me the most is the idea that
students will go to other locations that may require them to drive in
order to get the "better deals on drinks" this could lead to increased
drink and driving.
People will make up for it with house parties and what not
kids am going to drink regardless
People are going to drink if they want to drink, they'll find a way, which
will probably be in a less supervised public place which could be even
more dangerous to them.
People will find a way to get around it.
Friends who buy for underaged friends will just make multiple trips to the
bar to continue to buy for them.
I beleive that the reason my peers drink is to get drunk. Many will do
that at all costs
If people really want to drink, they will find a way. Take it away from
the bars and it will move to the dotins, apartments, and houses in nearby
areas.
people will drink, whether you try and make it harder or not for them
It Won't cause a decrease due to the fact that if someone wants to drink,
they'll find a way.
students that drink drink because they want to not because of sales.
to be honest people will find the alcohol if they want it anywhere
Friends buy it
If students can't drink in the bars, they will find someone who is 21 to
buy alcohol so they can party at a private residence.
The alcahol will just go back to the dorms, or off campus pady's will
become a lot more popular. If the bars move to an over 21 drinking age
then fake ID's will be accepted that much more easily.
The students will then just find more creative ways to get alcoholic
beverages.
Underage drinking is a reality at this school. If students want to drink,
they will find ways no matter what restrictions the City Council places on
them.
People will find ways to drink. They found ways in high school while they
were living under their parents supervision, and they will definitely find
ways in college. The downtown is a safe environment for drinking. There
are police, and there are people who are paid to watch and keep the bars
safe. The parties and drinking will just move to house parties where
drinking is the most dangerous. Then there will be more danger to everyone
involved, and most likely alcohol won't be the biggest problem. No doubt
ectasy, cocaine, marijuana, and other illegal substance use will rise with
the switch to house parties.
people find ways to drink when they want to--*it might be an inconvenience
but it won't decrease levels of underage drinking.
I don't drink because of "out of sight alcohol sales" either way if i
choose to drink, then i am going to drink that night either downtown or
Somewhere else
If people want alcohol, they will get it. Limiting sales may redistribute
where the drinking takes place. But I see it the whole situation as a
lifestyle choice. I'd just assume go to a party at house or apartment,
because it is a lot cheaper anyway.
I don't think that this would limit dangerous drinking because people will
do it anyways. Also, it is against the constitution to regulate drink
prices. Finally, underage drinking rates will increase in less supervised
areas such as house parties and/or in the dorm rooms.
Students will always find ways to drink no matter how you try to limit
sales
will it stop high school kids that can't get into the bars from drinking?
There is not a high level of dangerous drinking, and limiting out of sight
sales will have no effect on underage drinking, if they can't get it at
the bars they'll get it somewhere else. By passing these laws you just
make it inconvenient for people who are of age.
I may be naive, but I honestly believe that limiting out-of-site alchohol
sales will indeed decrease underage drinking. To me it seems that going
to the bars and obtaining alcohol as an underage drinker is both easier
and more fun than engaging in the same activities outside a bar (i.e. at a
houseparty). "Going to the bars" is a ritualistic cycle that begins very
early on for UI students. Many freshman have grown up hearing stories
(from siblings and others) about the Iowa City bar scene, many come to
this campus and think that is the only thing to do, and others start out
going to the bars and then realize how dangerous and/or costly it can be
(one of my acquaintences decided not to go as much because her friends
were getting so many tickets).
The bars provide a safe place to drink where activity can be monitored and
consumption limited. Limiting out of site sales would probably end up
making more students drink places other then the bars which usually leads
to more irresposable and dangerous drinking.
Beer drinking has absolutely nothing to do with in or out of sight alcohol
sales. We honestly are not that dumb...even if it's out of sight, we know
it's still there!
There will always be house parties if people aren't able to go the bars.
House parties are more dangerous.
they can still have friends that are over 21 get drinks for them
Those who want to drink will find ways to do it, either away from the bars
or with repeated in-sight sales. Barowners will be hurt because their
operations will become less efficient.
There is always going to be underage drinking no matter what people do.
The level of unresponsible behavior is so where near the high level that
many board members are saying it is. There really isn't a problem. The
city of iowa city is creating a problem rather than fixing one.
The thing that everyone needs to keep in mind is that people will drink if
they want to drink. The bars are at least a contained area where there
are bouncers and many more peers around. House par~ies get way out of
hand- and there is way to stop it
People will find a way to drink no matter what
b/c if students can't drink at the bars they will drink somewhere else.
there will always be another way to get alcohol
I think that students will find ways to purchase alcohol even if it is
expensive.
Students are always going to drink whether of age or not, and they are
going to drink in large quantities. It is a part of college life these
days. The only questions really is where they drink.
If we cannot get alcohol at the bars, we will just get drunker before we
get to the bars. It's cheaper that way anyway. You can limit our ablity to
get alcohol in the bars, but that won't stop us from getting drunk.
House parties
They will just go some where else to get the alcohol.
people are going to drink the same amount as they did before, it will just
cost them a little more.. the bar area will just be more crowded with
people going back and forth to get more drinks for themselves and for
others
There is no way to stop someone from getting something they want, they
would just find another way of getting it.
people are going to drink if they really want to. Prices won't change
that.
No, because it would increase the amount of drinkin9 at unsupervised
places, other than bars, such as houses, apartments, etc.
Simply putting something out of sight does not mean that it is out of
mind. If a person wants to participtate in underage drinking, he or she
will do so, no matter what is visible.
People will find ways to consume alcohol whether out-of-sight alcohol
sales are limited or not.
Students will choose to drink or not, regarless out-of-sight sales are
limiited.
Underagers will just go to parties to get drunk, and then they'll drive
home instead of walking home, like most do from the bars. The people that
are drinking and behaving irresponsibly will do so regardless of how hard
it is to get alcohol in bars.
Drink sales my bring students to some bars, but most don't care what they
spend on alcohol if they go the the bars with their friends.
People can still buy for others, fake id's will still work.
Individuals with alcoholism will still be alcoholics. Individuals that
choose to be irresponsible while drinking will not modified by "specials."
i don't think most people drink dangerously. And besides that if someone
wants to drink they'll find a way to do it.
If the alcohol is not as accessible in bars, underage drinkers may not be
as likely to purchase the alcohol or may not be as likely to have others
purchase it for them.
Because we will find our connections to aIchohol no matter what
If they don't get alcohol one way, they will get it another way - you
can't contain it, If you TRY to contain it - as is the case now - it is
going to become even MORE valuable and attractive, so it will happen even
MORE because there is nothing a teenager or young adult loves to do MORE
than what they AREN"T supposed to be doing.
The sources of alcohol are many and varied, if a student is not allowed to
buy alcohol from one source, they will buy from another source no matter
what, so alcohol purchases and consumption would best be served under
controlled circumstances, such as a bar enviornment rather than in
residential neighborhoods.
I think it's just a way of life for some of these people and if they
choose to drink, they will regardless of limits set by the bars
People are willing to pay any prices for anything if it means they are
getting the things they want.
If people want to drink, they will find a way.
Students who are interested in drinking will find other venues.
If a minor wants to drink, he or she will do so at any cost. Also, it
will cause more people to throw/attend uncontrolled house padies where $5
or less will buy you all you can drink from a keg.
Students are going to drink no matter what the sales are. To truly make an
impact against drinking in this town, the bars need to be removed. In
reality, the bars will never leave so students will always go to them.
Because they will find some way to put out the cash. They may even go to
stores to drink, and the bars will lose business. Half of the population
is underage people anyways.
People will always find ways to find the alcohoL. that is not the
problem. The problem is more of a social one where people think it is
cool to get trashed and then brag about it.
Students wiU drink if they want to drink, Less responsibility if the
lawmakers t~ to make it harder for students to get alcohol.
Legislation is not an answer to the problem, it just moves the drinking to
other places rather than bars.
no matter what you do, you can't limit underage drinking
Underage minors tend to drink more because it is forbidden. They know it
is possible to get drunk through others so they drink excessively in
public places instead of in the sa~ey of their own homes.
anyone who goes to the bar can get alcohol, if you're not 21, just about
anyone who is will buy you a drink, that can't be stopped, except to not
allow anyone under 21 into the bar. Basically, anyone who goes in can
have whatever they want.
If people want to drink, they are going to find a way to do it. The bars
are not the problem.
college students am going to find ways to drink anyway.. its better for
it to be in a controlled enviornment likfe a bar rather than out of
control house or apt parties
People are going to drink no matter what and sales have little to do with
drinking, just the place where people drink.
From my experience in the bars, that's how the majority of underage people
get their alcohol. They send someone who is of age to get them one, or
purchase the pitcher that the entire group ddnks from.
Because this city is founded on underage drinking if it isn't permitted in
the controlled enviroment of the bars the situation will result in more
crimes such as property damage sexual assualut and even perhaps police
brutality,
people do what they want to do
the drinking won't stop it will move out-of-sight only means that you
can't see it not that it happens
People will find ways to drink regardless.
Alcohol is a legal substance for those of age and people are still going
to go and buy it...you are just going to see increased revenues from the
bars because people will pay the higher prices for alcohol...this
encourages the bar owners to serve all
I don't think it will help much, but I think it will stop the students who
do not have very much money to limit how much they consume
People will ddnk if they want to, these rules will just punish those who
are drinking legally and responsibly by making them wait in long lines,
pay higher prices,etc.
By decreasing alcohol specials it does nothing to defer underage drinking
or dnagerous drinking. Those that choose to drink dangerously will despite
specials, those that drink responsibly will do so whether a special is
available or not. It is stupid to punish responsible drinkers and bar
goers by abolishing specials. This action only makes it look like the city
council is working to decrease drinking before changing all the bars to
21,
It will increase them because people will go to house parties where all
the bad events happen.
Because now instead of people going to bars they will be going to house
parties thus increasing the amount of alcohol they drink since a house
party runs around three dollars all you can drink, also they now will be
unsupervised. More house parties will make this town dirtier, an example
of this is the university of Illinois, where there is not a strong bar
scene there town is littered with cups and bottles.
because drinking is simply a part of being the age we are- we're going to
drink one way or another
Students will always find a way to get alcohol and drink. If the bars
become stricter, students will just drink at parties first and then go out
or they'll stay and drink more at the parties. If more parties arise then
I think it's possible that drunk driving will increase.
If these people want to drink they will find a way to do so
Students will continue to drink, and find ways to drink. A better
alternative to drinking (better than what the Stepping Up Program has to
offer) must appeal to students to decrese the drinking rates. Students
like the feeling that they will have a night on the town, so alcohol
alternatives must also be present downtown on late nights. Currently,
there are none.
People can always buy drinks for other people, and it's not fair if
someone of age is buying drinks for others of age, but just not even/body
wants to stand in line.
If someone really wants to drink, he or she will do so regardless of the
cost.
college kids will always find a way to consume alcohol, its a rite of
passage, they just need to learn
because the kids will just find somewhere else to drink--they do anyways!
students who choose to drink under age will continue to find ways to
consume alcohol no matter what the laws say. house parties will always be
an unregulated environment where students of any age can drink.
The law will inconvenience too many people to be effective, People that
are too drunk are kicked out by bouncers or waitresses anyway. Minors
will be frustrated and drink unsupervised off-campus.
Minors will get beer one way or another. I consumed more alcohol in high
school than in college and I was always able to get beer or alcohol.
it will not prevent minors from drinking...you can still buy pitchers of
beer. Or go to the four times for drinks for others. Even if it can be
enforced drinking will simply change venues, into houses where it is
virtually impossible to regulate. I'm afraid it will make the problem
worse rather than better
No, in fact I think that by restricting a bar to certain alochol sales
will obly increase dangerouos levels of underage drinking rates. College
students will not have problems finding places to drink, if it is not at
the bars they will do so at house parties. At least the bar offers a
controlled atmosphere where bounoers and security can control drunk
students.
i will drink if I want too,
I would think that most of the dangerous drinking would be done out of the
bars, however, it would limit certain sector's consumption of alcohol
Students will travel to North Liberty, Cedar Rapids, etc. to become
intoxicated, making the roads more dangerous for themselves and innocent
travelers.
This is a college town. The students that really want to will find a way
to drink, even if it involves avoiding downtown. This would only shift the
focus of drinking to parties, where the is a greater dsk of underage
drinking and dangerous behavoir.
Maybe. If specials aren't advertised, people may choose to see a movie
instead of getting plastered at the bar.
Students who want to drink will do so regardless of the petty laws that
are passed.
There will be more people around the bar to get drinks. Underage students
will still be able to find someone sitting at the bar to buy them drinks.
If people want to drink they will find a way to do so. I think it will
just lead to more house parties.
Because no matter how hard you try, if students want to drink, they can
and will find a way. It's inevitable]
All you this will do is allow students to have more house parties, a
person of legal age can go to Kum @ Go and by a 24 pack for $15 instead of
going to the bar and paying $3 a bottle. I personally feel that city
officals have nothing better to do with their time and are just trying to
think of shit that will make them look good in the community eye.
When one wants to obtain alcohol they will find a way regardless
I don't think it is possible to limit out-of-sight sales, it happens all
the time.
It will not change the way that students drink. They will keep their
habit until they are not allowed into the bars.
Students will drink regardless what happens in the bars, if they limit the
availbility of obtaining alcohol in the bar, the will just go to a house
party.
Students will find a way to drink either way, and that other option will
be more dangerous. What those idiots don't understand is that tightening
the laws on drinking will eventually lead to more drinking in random
unregulated areas.
People will find a way to drink no matter what.
If people want to drink they're going to find ways to drink. Whether it's
at the bars or house parties, limiting sales isn't going to change
anything.
If people want to drink alcohol, they will. One solution will not solve
the problem. If one limits out-of-sight alcohol sales, then people will
continue to drive to parties where they can get alcohol, thus improving
the chance for drunk driving.
Some kids go to college to drink, if you deny them that you are opening
the doors for worse forms of rebellion
Regardless of the regulations on drinking, underage students will find
liquor. No restriction will resolve this, only enforcement.
If an underage person wants to drink, they'll find a way.
if people want to drink, they will find a way. It doesn't matter what law
you put in place.
People will just drink more before they go to the bar
People will still drink as they wish. Prohibition in the 1920's is a
perfect example. When use of alcohol was made an offense of federal law,
people still continued to consume alcohol, and in even larger quantities
at times. If we do not learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it.
This does not adequately address the horrendous problem of underage
drinking on this campus. Nor will it encourage responsible drinking
habits.
PEOPLE WILL CONTINUE TO GO TO THE BAR TO GET MORE DRINKS AND TAKE THEM TO
THEIR FRIENDS WHO ARE MINORS. ALSO THEY ARE ABLE TO GET PITCHERS TO SHARE
WITH PEOPLE.
Environmental change not enough to curb behavioral attitudes of the U. of
I. students
People are going to drink no matter what the price.
I don't know what Out-of-sight alchol sales are.
If you want to drink you will find another way
If people are drinking now they're going to keep drinking regardless of
the price. It will just create more house padies.
people are going to drink no matter what. limiting sales is just going to
aggrvate some and that will create a bigger problem.
when bars are full people will drink just as much no matter where in the
establishment the alcohol is sold.
The underage drinking rates are more strongly affected by the ability to
be in the bars underage. And as far as binge drinking goes, it's easier
to hinge in a place with a relatively unlimited alcohol supply (a bar)
than in a place with a limited supply (an off-site pady that has
purchased from the bar). I've personally never been to a pady that
didn't run out of alcohol at some point in the evening. It's harder to
binge when there is not enough to go around.
It's keenly simple to get a bottle or case of beer and drink before one
goes out to a bar. All it will accomplish is to make bars a more hostile
environment and less enjoyable.
people will get alcohol anyway. fake id's, other people buying it for
them.
People would just go elsewhere than the bars to drink
I think that there is no reason for all you can drink specials, but to
limit a person to buying only one drink at a time is unreasonable and
impractical. Many times it is much easier for one person to go up to the
bar and order several drinks for a group of people. If you can only order
one, then there is no way people will get to the bar, it it will become
one big ugly waiting line
If people want to drink, they will find ways around the rules.
People are always going to find other ways to get drinks and to get drunk.
Maybe the amount of people going to bars might decrease, but then the
number of house parties will rise.
people who want to drink, will, no matter what they do With alcohol sales.
People will always binge drink!! No matter what! Remember prohibition??
People still drink no matter the circumstances! Limiting sales is not the
answer[
Because students will go elsewhere to obtain alcohol, such as off campus
houses. This will increase the risk that people will drink and drive.
Underage students would have to be more daring to purchase alcohol from
open public places
Putting regulations on the bars will decrease bar sales, but this will be
compensated by an increase of alcohol purchases at grocery stores.
It may very slightly decrease levels of dangerous drinking in bars, but
then the dangerous activity in the dorms starts increasing....its a no win
situation...i think things need to be left alone...let people have a good
time...most people, underage or not can drink responsibly...but there are
risks involved just like any activity,..
because they will always find a way to get it if they want it. They will
go to house parties or other activies and get drinks there. It will only
hurt downtown businesses and the city.
It's college, Kids who want alcohol will get it. They are probably safer
in that environment than if forced to drink at home or parties.
When you put restrictions on things people will turn to other more
dangarous drugs. When I first came here the campus was not dry and there
was one problem, drinking. Now I can not walk into a god damn bar without
some little shit running into rolling there nuts off. You guys should
stop running by this drinking bullshit, get off your asses and crack down
on the real problem, people altering their dna with new drugs which is
going to cost me a fortune in increased medical premiums in the future.
if people want to drink, it doesnt matter if there is a special that day
or if it't out of site. Alcohol is here to stay no matter how hard the
city tdes to hide it.
Because that is how a lot of the underage drinkers get their alcohol,
People are still going to party. People are not going to stop over night.
Worse case scenerio is that drinking venues will shift to unregulated
areas such as apartments and house parties.
If you want to stop the underage drinking problem raise the bar's entry
age to the legal limit 21.
Underage drinking will always be at high levels at a big university like
this.
it will drive it underground
There is really no magicmandate that is going to be created that will stop
the propensity with which college students consume alcohol. Be fucking
realistic here people. If people want to do something badly enough, then
there is no realistic barrier that is going to stop them from doing so,
whether it be drugs, sex, or whatever else. Especially something as
socially accepted and irreverant as alcohol consumption.
People are going to drink no matter what is done. When the bars are
punished and the community thinks the problems are being solved, they will
realize just the scenery has changed.
Because it's still there
No, students will drink the amount that they wish to drink no matter what.
If people want to drink, they'll find a way, no matter how much it is
discouraged by authorities.
You can't stop college students from drinking ! If you won't allow them to
drink at the bars they WILL go somewhere else, but they are going to
drink!
i think that students will find a way to drink no matter what and that
limiting sales in the bars will only cause them to look elsewhere in
places where the environment is not as safe or controlled as in a bar,
such as house parties.
If people want something. they will find a way to get it. If drinking
does not occur in bars then it will occur in even less supervised areas
like residences.
House parties will increase. which will increase drunk driving.
People will find ways to do what they want to whether or not it's
drinking. When someone is told they can't do something, that's usually
when the situation worsens.
This will promote drinking at house parties moving the crowds from
downtown to the neighborhoods. The laws proposed fail to see the big
picture.
They will just start to hide and drink and then there will be absolutely
no control over how much they have drank
people will still go out drinking even if there are no sales
B/C people are going to drink one way or another, if you make it harder to
do so downtown, people will drink ~ home / parties and then you have more
people driving when they shouldn't
Students will always obtain alcohol, no matter the source.
The alcohol and it's availability is still the same.
In this day and age it is so easy to find alcohol. Limiting drinking in
bars will only increase the amount of parties and other places that
students will go to drink. Atleast at the bar there is some kind of limit
to what someone can ddnk.
People are going to ddnk reguardless. If limitations are placed on the
downtown bars, students will have more house parties. The house parties
are far more dangerous because they are not regulated. No security
(leading to out of control fights, rape), not following fire codes,
absolutely no limitations on the number of drinks a student could consume.
students will drink if they want to, controling it is next to
impossible ....
As has been stated throughout this discussion, if people want to ddnk,
they will.
House parties that sell bottom-less cups for five dollars.
people are going to drink no matter what, reguardless.
It will only increase the number of house parties and drunk ddving.
Drinking is what a lot of college students choose to do, it isn't based on
prices. Besides prices are already high, if they increase more people
will just stay home and drink or go to a party.
The person who had the capability of buying the drink also is smart
enought to know that he/she could hand off the drink to someone who is
underage and then go back to the bar for more or the buyer could go to a
different bar within the establishment
People will still have access to beer whether it is at a bar or a house.
Because students will find ways around that rule, or get into situations
where the drinking would be more dangerous.
if underage students want to drink- they will find a way. the laws have
never stopped them before.
people should be made aware of drinking hazards, making them forcibly
adhere to it will not solve the problem.
No, because the the people who want to drink will do so, regardless of the
methods they obtain the alcohol.
We as college students will always drink alcohol. If the source is
limited, alcohol will become a sort of novelty item that will lead to more
dangerous drinking.
If students have the money to drink, they will spend it on the alcohol
whether or not there are sales.
I am unclear what an out-of-sight sale is to answer this more
substantially
It won't matter how high the prices get. Initially it may look like
levels are decreasing, but in the long run, it will all equal to be the
same as now.
Students will drink regardless of the price. Many students are already
passed the drunk stage before entering the bars, therefore this "dangerous
drinking" has already occured.
there will always be people who will have it, and there will be a large
increase in house parties
It will just cause people to drink other places
Most people underage will usually have a friend who can buy the alcohol
for them.
people will always drink, each chooses how much. Either none, some, or
alot. however no one will say that they desire an institution, to tell
them how much to drink, or where to consume
I think the it will decrease because of the likelihood of it being less
available. It is also sending a more significant message of not as
socially acceptable.
People who are not of age will find a way to drink regardless. It may
just mean sending the same person up to the bar multiple times.
People will drink if they choose to do so. Attempts to limit access to
alcohol by minors does not work.
People do not go to the bars based on sales, they go to each bar to go
where their friends are going, to socialize.
College students will always find a way to beat the system. We are
determined to get what we want, and there will always be a way to obtain
alcohol. Limiting out-of-sight alcohol will only upset and annoy those of
legal age.
I feel there will just be more house parties and fake ids used.
Even with the "one drink when you buy" rule, underagers will still get
their hands on it.
All this will do is waste time and energy of those at the bar and increase
the already long lines at most bars, making the whole experience a pain
for legal and responsible patrons.
Most of the alcohol sold to minors goes through a third party, and if that
sale is limited or eliminated, the use will go down.
if there's one drink at a time, who's to say that a person Can't
repeatedly go back and get drink after drink
Bars don't sell to underage kids, it doesn't matter if the site of
purchase is in sight or out of sight.
because drink specials don't affect students' decision to achieve their
desired level of intoxication. If someone plans to get drunk, they will
get drunk, special or no special.
People who want alcohol will get aicohol. And it is more dangerous for
people to get drunk in private residences than it is in public. If you
limit public drinking there will be more/bigger house parties (which from
what I've seen also tend to increase the illegal drug use too).
People are going to drink no matter what, its just a matter if you want to
make profit off of it or not
Students will drink reguardless
People are going to go to house parties instead which can be more
dangerous than going to bars.
I don't know what "out-of-sight" alcohol sales are
Because people are just going to drink at home before the bars.
Because people will still be using fake ids and find other ways to get
alcohol
People who want to drink "dangerously" will do so regardless.
people who drink are just going to do it anyway, even if there is a sale
or not. i think it will just bring drinking back to the dorms and a lot of
house parties
If they don't do it in the bars they will just do it somewhere else, like
at house parties or even in the dorms!
The people who get drunk and cause trouble will continue to cause trouble
just in other places
Probably somewhat, but the people who really want to drink will find a
way. How well did the prohibition work? Why aren't all bars 21 all of the
time?
It is totally absurb to make laws such as those proposed by the idiotic
council without any scientific evidence to predict that what they are
proposing will actually be successful at stopping binge drinking. Not
that I think binge drinking is either a problem or something that needs to
be stopped.
Younger population follow cultural accepted behaviors related to social
drinking aand are involved in heavier episodes of what is considered by
peers to be acceptable drinking.
You could change all the rules and regulations you want, but college kids
are still going to drink.
Unfortunately, it will possibly only decrease the amount of underage
drinking downtown, due to of age friends who are willing to buy or house
parties/get togethers.
Many students who have chosen to attend this University because Iowa City
bars are notorious for allowing underage drinking. I, for example, visited
when I was 15 years old and have never had trouble getting my hands on
alcohol.
People enjoy drinking as a social activity. Getting rid of drink specials
and advertisements will not eliminate or lessen irresponsible drinking.
Students will just have to pay more money.
If they want it bad enough, anyone can find a way to drink. Limiting
drinks or banning cedain specials is not going to do anything but cause
the ICPD to write more tickets. We all know that doesn't change anything.
Education is better than legislation.
would help decrease the number of people who buy drinks for others,
Because underage drinkers will just find other ways of getting alcohol.
If people want to drink, even if they're underage, they will find ways of
getting alcohol.
Because students are going to drink no matter what iowa City does. If
they cannot drink at the bars, then the number of house parties will
increase.
Sales attract drinkers of all ages, not just those who are underage. I
don't think there is as strong of a corelation between "out-of sight
sales" and underage drinking as the council thinks there is.
This is problem has been around FOREVER. In high schools and youcan't get
rid of it. There is always a way.
Nothing that your group is doing will help. College is the most stressful
time in a persoWs life and going out is one of the only ways to escape
the stress, don't take it away from us.
it will just inconvenince legal bar patrons and bartenders
People will become more dangerous by getting drunk before they go downtown
and increasing the rate of binge drinking.
Students are going to drink whether or not they can get in the bars...at
least the bars are a safe environment monitored by bouncers....at the
so-called house parties in Iowa City, there isn't a mediator or police
officers around to protect innocent people]
Students will find a place to drink, whether it be in a bar or in a house.
At least at a bar, it's somewhat regulated.
Underage kids are going to drink whether they have to pay more or even if
they have to do it other places than the bars.
people will choose to drink or not for themselves or b/c of other people,
not b/c of sales or of rules or laws, etc
Out of sight sales do not constitute the reason why drinking is a problem
on this campus or any other campus. I believe drinking problems mostly
arise because there is a lack of alternative activities that students will
actually want to do, especially on this campus where there are bars that
let underage students in and also serve them. Our school has a history of
being a party school, the fact that the bars are so numerous and so close
to campus is a primary reason why students come here...other aspects of
our school need to be promoted!
It is easy to get liquor if you want it, even as a minor, at most Iowa
City bars because waitresses are willing to take orders to make money,
regardless of age.
People will not be detered, if they want to drink they will.
I am not familiar with the term "out-of-sight." So, I will answer 'no' on
the assumption that very little can be done about the underage drinking at
this point in time. Drinking, as a habit, will only be 'cut off in the
homes. Parents are the only people with the power to reduce the amount of
underage drinking. After people mature out of their parents' homes, there
is little that the city, schools, or friends can do to help.
People will still find other places to drink illegally, but I still think
limiting out-of-sight alcohol sales should take place.
College students that want to drink are going to find a way to drink no
matter what the limitations are.
People will find out somehow. Doesn't matter if you keep them out of site.
It's like keeping toy ads away from kids, pointless.
People will go elsewhere or find ways around it
Young students won't be able to get alcohol so easily.
people will always find alcohol if they want fe. there's not much that
can be done to stop that
they will just drink more before they go out
Most people i know who really enjoy drinking and are underage have fake
IDs. The people that dont have fakes usually dont care to drink, so
limiting sales will affect no one.
Because if underage drinkers want to get alcohol, they will get it
anyway. They are just more likely to binge drink or drink in an unsafe way
if it is even harder to get.
The students at U of l like to get drunk. If the drink sales in the bars
closest to campus are limited, students will go to other cities, or have
someone over 21 buy for them and then party at home.
People will drink regardless.
People will still continue to drink just as much. Their friends who are
of age will simply make more tdps to the bar.
Because it is asinine to believe that if people really want to drink that
is going to stop them.
Actually I'm unsure, but if people want alcohol they will find a way to
get it. However, I think the decrease in sales might help.
If people want to drink heavily they will find a way.
Making the bars more expensive will result in more off campus parties,
which results in unsupervised drinking.
I think that the students who want to drink are going to find places to
drink and ways to get alcohol regardless of what the University, the
council, or the bars do to prevent it. Drinking in the bars provides a
safer atmosphere for the students than drinking in the dorms or at house
parties would.
people will find ways to drink no matter what. this will only hurt
business in the bars.
From what I have experienced in the greek System, most drinking occurs
before going out to the bars, so drinking at the bars is not the dangerous
part, it's actually a safer environment to have a couple drinks because it
is professionally staffed. So no, limiting out-of-sight sales will not
decrease underage or dangerous drinking rates.
VVhen I go out to drink I am not concerned with how much I pay, Instead,
my roomares and I usually just drink more at our place before we go out.
Underage kids will drink no matter what they have to pay because they
think that is their only option for things to do on the weekends.
People have been drinking underage since the first day a drinking age was
established, nothing anyone can do is going to put an end to that,
Students will find a way to drink whether you limit them or not.
Especially students who are first-year students. Those students will find
a way to get alcohol regardless of the consequences.
It will do nothing to help the problem, just make the city more money on
tickets. You need to fix the students, not the sellers.
Kids are going to get alcohol, no matter what you do.
Alcohol is easy to get ahold of, whether it is in a bar or not. The
amount that each person drinks will not substantially be changed by
changing alcohol sales in the bars, it just means that more people will
drink in dorm rooms or at house padies. House parties are often more
dangerous than drinking in the bars because people dont have bouncers at
houses to throw out people to keep them from drinking too much, and with
kegs of beer, its all you can drink for the price of a cup.
No, college students will drink no matter how many ostacles they have to
overcome. If alcohol becomes too dificult to obtain, students will abuse
illicit drugs.
House Parties
People will drink no matter what the costs. It will just hurt the more
responsible drinker, who will have to pay more.
Underage drinking that occurs in the bars of Iowa City and numerous bars
on other college campuses is not the cause or promoter of underage
drinking. Students will find a way to access alcohol and party whether it
be in their dorm rooms, appartments, or in bars. Students attending the
bars have more opportunity for popular social activity and a harder time
of accessing alcohol.
When bar owners devise drink specials, they do so to help the pocketbook,
not to find new and exciting ways to get the students wasted, Limiting
specials will not only cost the honest, law-abiding bar-goer, but it will
also backfire on the City Council, by moving the drinking away from the
relative safety or downtown to the less-structured house pad,/. Therefore,
I think the City Council should explore options on limiting underage
drinking that will actually have an effect, and leave the legal bar patron
alone.
Dangerous drinkers will simply spend more money to drink and it would do
absolufiey nothing to curb underage drinking. Enacting such proposals
would simply make social drinking for legal, responsible adults more
expensive and would hurt business for local establishments, theftore lower
the amount of liqour taxes collected and damaging the local economy.
Students will then decide to go drink at a house party.
There are ways to get around everything
They still can get them else where.
Determined individuals will find away around it if they want to drink
It will encourage under age kids to go to parties.
Students are going to find any place to pad,/if they want to. I think it
would be better to keep the bars as they are. The students are used to
them, and are comfortable with them. They act more responibly in places
they are used to.
no, i don't think that most students concern themselves with drinking just
because it is cheap, they do it when they want and as much as they want.
NOTHING will stop underage drinkers. Limiting barsales (no out-of-site
sales, turning them 21 or other limitations) will turn Iowa City into
Ames-a town where alcoholic activities spill out into the community in
the form of many, many house~parties.
Because as I one who has been an underage drinker I know that if me and my
friends want to get alcohol we can and most of it that we do get is from
places not even remotley related to bars.
Those people who choose to drink irresponsibly and therefore dangerously
will do so despite the restrictions.
people will still find ways. It will piss people off
Students will just choose to get alcohol from other places. There are
always parties all over town!
its not mostly the underage students who drink, and the specials are more
consumed by leagles.
people will just go else where to drink. Drinking is not a new thing,
college students have behaved this way for many years. It is a part of
growing up. You cant protect people from every thing you have to let
them live their lives.
Students will ALWAYS find a way to get alcohol.
There will always be dangerous drinking, and underage drinking. Such
measures, if anything, will push drinking out of the bars to off-campus
parties which are a more dangerous environment.
Because there is always a means to obtain the wanted
Your average college student might like the idea of great deals, but I
have found that it is not the main factor leading to a student going out
to drink. Your tipical student will drink to the extent that they want
to, regardless of cost. People in college want to have fun and blow off
steam. If it costs a student $20 as opposed to $5, they will still do it.
Alcohol will still be purchased some way or another, it will most likely
increase the use of fake ids
Because if people want to drink their going to do it anyway. Limiting
this will just cuz people to be less careful cuz they won't be scared to
get caught by the cops on the way home from the bar so they will goto more
parties and drink more in a less safe environment.
Students will find a way to cheat the system, if not, then more alcohol
will be consumed in the dorms.
The harder it is for students to drink in bars, the more they will drink
at house parties.
The situation with the bars in Iowa City has put most businesses and most
students in a difficult place. Students will find ways to drink, there is
a wide range of ages attending the school and interspersal of ages helps
make it possible for underage children to drink. At least students are in
a controllable area (i.e. downtown iowa city) and not interdespersed
over the entire city.
bars should be 21. contrary to popular belief, many people will no longer
have a way to get alcohol if they don't go to the bars.
Students will find other ways of obtaining it. Or they will just pay
more.
no matter how much they try to prevent it, people will still find ways to
get what they want.
If someone who is underage wants to drink at a bar, they will find a way
to do it regardless of the limitations. They can always find someone who
is of the legal age to buy it for them.
kids will still drink whatever you do
Because if people want to drink then they will just start drinking more
before they come to the bars.
Underage people are still people who like their drink.
If people want to drink, they will drink.
because a socialist measure, such as this will cause more harm than good
B/c nobody cares how much they spend to drink.
It's a habbit, hard to break. It really won't matter what Iowa City does
to the bars, where there's a will to drink there's a way.
You can a get a drink if you want one.
If an underage person is at the bar, he will be able to have a friend buy
a drink for him. The friend could just keep buying drinks, even if the
friend already has one.
If an underage person is dead set on drinking... they will most likely do
whatever it takes to get alcohol.. like start attending more house
parties.
people are going to drink regardless...by doing this, it will just make
another obstacle for students, but it won't stop any drinking that is
going on
People are still going to drink no matter what....it is all part of the
college experience. I have been to other universities and I believe that
drinking in a bar is much safer then parties because there is regulation.
Specials are not affecting hinge drinking, irresponsible people and their
friends who can't make proper decisions have deeper problems than trying
to save a few dollars.
Most people learn of the drink specials by word of mouth.
no, the bars never check ID's anyways, so people can just go up to the bar
and order the same as if they were at a table
It just won't happen. People will get drunk if they really want to and us
underagestudentswilldrinkiftheywantto. That's just the way things
have ALWAYS been. From way back when to right now and it'll probably
continue on like this into the future.
People will look for other place to find alcohol and the limit might even
increase the number of people underage who are drinking. Preferably,
educate people about the negatives of alcohol.
I am unfamiliar with the meaning of "out-of-sight alcohol sales."
There will always be underage drinking. Most students at this university
can afford the bar prices. All this will do is make the bars more money.
if you're gonna drink, you're gonna drink
People are going to drink no matter what. Just like smoking...advertisers
could put a skull and crossbones on the box and charge $5 a pack fo rit
and we would still buy them. Underage persons will still drink, wether it
be in a bar or a home. Even if an underage student is caught and fined,
it won't discourage them from going out and trying again. Limiting drink
specials can be preaching to the choir. There are responsible drinkers
out there. It's nice to go out with a couple friends, spend a total of $9
on 3 pitchers of beer to share. You almost can't afford not to go out.
Kids are going to drink no matter what. Why not just let them do it in a
more responisble enviornment? How many peope die of alcohol posining at
the bar. About none, the reason is because they are at least partialy
monitored in the bars. If you make the bars so difficult to drink in
every underage kid will stay at home a drink. Who will watch them there?
How much more danger will these kids be in if they are drinking with no
one monitoring them?
People will find ways around it and continue to drink irresponsibly.
Limiting out of sight sales will force minors to adjust the way they
purchase alcohol, but it will in now way reduce the amount purchased.
It might reduce the "reported ," and therefore measurable, cases. However,
dangerous and underage drinking will continue regardless.
They will find other ways to consume, most likely in a more dangerous
place
People will still get into the bars and once there will have the chance of
getting alcohol. They will still drink the same as long as they get in
whether they know about the drink specials or not.
People who like and want to drink are going to do it regardless of whether
or not there are "specials". The University of Iowa is a drinking school,
students come here anticipating the night-life. Limiting out-of-sight
sales will have little to no impact, I am sure of it.
The harder something is the more fun it becomes to do. People are going
to drink anyway, hence the legalizaion of alcohol due to bootlegging.
don't punish the bars. the underage drinkers will get drinks anyway
If underage people want to drink, they will pay whatever they have to,
Limiting advertising will not deter them from drinking if they really want
to.
people are going to drink regardless of how people try to stop it.
Limiting out of sight drink sales limits access to minors and allows for
bar tenders the option of not selling to those whom are out of control
No matter what, people are going to find a way to drink, whether through
fakes, older friends, or anything. It's not hard at all.
Because students who want to drink will get alcohol from somewhere.
The mind of man has not come up with a regulation that the mind of man has
not been able to find a way to get around.
of-age patrons could still buy for underage even if they can only buy one
drink at a time; also if a person wants to drink a LOT they will just keep
going back to the bar.
people who want to drink will do so. it's a matter of education and
offering alcohol free, university sponsored or city sponsored events as
options. but also keep in mind that a lot of these kids come to college
and think that drinking and partying every weekend is what it is about, so
they already have that stupid mindset when they get here. it's a matter of
re-educating them in the first year. because i see the danger is most high
in undergraduates.
Because if students want to get alcohol, they will get it. Everyone has
friends over 21, and most people are not afraid of violating rules
governing alcohol consumption in the dorms.
it doesnt matter what the bars do if they limit drink specials or go all
21 students will still drink as much and as often as they do now
regardless of the location
It is not going to matter, either way if a student wants to drink, they
are going to drink
I typically dont pay attention to the prices of what i drink
I believe that that the amount of drinking will not dramatically chance.
Drinking will always be a social activity. There is no way to change
that, as long as students are going to the bars they will be buying
drinks no matter what the price.
Because no matter what laws they pass, kids are still going to find ways.
I think it should be ok as long as they are not operating a vehicle.
Students are students. and they are going to get drunk wherever and
whenever they want. It's not a huge ordeal. Just as long as they are not
harming anyone else I think it should be fine. Just let us have some fun!
I mean we pay thousands of dollars to come here and to "learn", and we're
supposed to not have any fun what so ever. Either we'll drink in a bar, or
we'll drink in a house, or we'll drink in Our dorm rooms. There's only so
much you can do. And trust me, kids will become more creative than ever
imaginable. So just chill out, as long as they aren't hurting anyone it
should be ok. But if they are causing problems, then it's time to crack
down.
More or less, if people really want to consume alcohol, then they will
find alternative ways of doing so, be it fake ID's or more parties,
people will drink regardless
because most people are wasted before they even get to the bars
If underage studens can get into the bars, they'll be able to drink there.
People who want to drink a lot will do it, whether you like it or not. If
not at the bars, then at house parties. 4 Years ago there was a lot more
dangerous activity going on at houseparties. Now that there are less
house parties and the bar scene is bigger, people are drinking in a more
controlled environment. Be grateful that the students are allowing you
the control over their habits that you have. Left to there own devices,
the study body will do what they want, not what they are told.
under aged people are going to find a way to drink no matter what, they
might as well do it under supervision at a bar then drinking a huge amount
at a house party.
if you want to get it you will. there are always ways to get around it.
It just inconvieniences people because that means more trips to the bar.
so i order a drink or shot, but i really wanted four shots. So i ask for
one, pay for it, take it to the table, and go ask for another one, If you
want to buy for minors, you still can, if you want to get rid of the
problem you should not allow minors into bars/establishments past a
certain time or night that sell alcohol.
Due to the possibility of consuming alcohol at other places besides public
establishments. Namely, private houses or apartments.
People will get alcohol from other places.
dangerous drinking on a big ten campus? Get outta here!
Because if they don't have acess to it they don't get drunk
bars will not comply with the law and it will be difficult to enforce
The people who drink know the specials after one week.
Without anything else to do on campus students will always find ways to
drink. There's no sense of University community here, and there are few
University sponsered events. The UI should enhance the coltural community
rather than try in vain to restrict alcohol consumption. As a non-drinker
I am often socially isolated. I'm from a big, diverse city, and the
relative lack of non-alcohol activities and variety has led me to plan to
transfer.
A lot of people have their friends go get their drinks for them.
I think that if people want to drink they will find a way to no matter
what
The people that want to get out on hand Will anyways. The underage
drinkers will drink before they go to the bars, and have people buy it
there.
The problem is not the bars. It is the attitude students have after they
leave high school. They just got away from their parents, they are free,
and they want to have fun, and most choose to drink.
people Will either than drink a lot more before they go to the bars, and
faster, or they will buy fake Id's, and use it more frequently because
they themselves can purchase
Ifcollege students want to ddnk, theywill. Iftheycan'tget itat
bars, they will do so in appts., houses, or dorms. Limiting these sales
is not going to curb underage drinking/dangerous drinking.
People will always find a way around the law.
No, people will get it anyway
Cause it will just cause people to drink in less supervised places.
Meaning more accidents and less responsiblity.
people will drink regardless...they'll find a way
I think the people who are going to drink irresponsibly will do so
regardless of the price of alcohol. If I go out for a drink or two, I am
more inclined to go somewhere that is less expensive than somewhere else.
However if I plan on drinking two beers and a beer costs $2 at one bar and
$1 at another bar, I am not going to drink four beers at the second bar
becuase they are cheaper, or only have one beer at the first beer becuase
they are more expensive. Basically, if someone wants to get blitzed, they
will do so regardless of the cost. The only thing that will regulate
underage drinking in Iowa City is more stringent control of fake ids or
limiting their access to bars.
Bars often act as a controlling source of alcohol. The fact that students
are paying for each individual drink and the amount of alcohol per drink
is monitored, dramatically reduces the chance of a student drinking too
much too quickly and dying or getting alcohol poisoning.
I believe that if someone really wants to drink they will manage to find a
way. By limiting out-of-sight sales you create an obstacle in which a
person must go around.
Sadly I believe we are going to drink or not drink according to our own
standards and rules, regardless of what the law says. Most have older
syblings or friends that could easily purchase alcohol for "underage"
adults, or even provide an I.D. which would allow me to get into a bar to
hang out with these older people I may want to socialize with.
Because, people wouldn't get it as readily as before.
Iowa City bars am obviously not the only place you can buy alcohol
People will always find ways to consume, most importantly in less safe
environments/ways.
I don't think that would have much of an effect because if people want
alcohol they will find a way to get it no matter what.
drinking will continue at house parties, which are unregulated and unsafe
in comparison to bars.
Because the Iowa City Council is comprised of old farts who feel that
since they are too old to have fun, why should the young college students
be allowed to.
The more efforts made to tn/to stop underage drinking will increase the
different mutes students go to get alcohol.
If students really want to, they will find a way to get liquor regardless
of any limitations set at the bars.
If people want to drink, they are going to find a way. If they can't in a
bar, they'll just do it somewhere else. They are not going to stop if
they can't get into a bar. And most people have frieds that work at a bar
so either way they are going to be able to get in and get served or
they'll just have their older friends buy for them.
because it has nothing to do with it.
Parties will become more common and alcohol is much easier to obtain at
parties without the security that a bar or another similar establishment
can provide.
I don't think they should change anything
people will drink no matter what if they want to and they will find a way
to do it just as well, limiting out~f-sight alsohol sales only harms
those that are over 21 years of age.
I believe that those who choose to drink excessively will do so, in or out
of bars. If the option to consume alcohol is not readily/easily
accessible to underage patrons in bars, they will simply seek out house
parties. In my opinion, this is even more dangerous, as people have a
tendency to consume more alcohol at house parties than in bars.
Many will find other ways to "get drunk", i.e., more house parties.
Getting rid of the drink specials, or even making bars 21 will not help
the problem, it will probably make it worse.
Alcohol is in supply and students are in demand. where go to drink where
it is the cheapest, funnest, and easiest. Limiting sales will have severe
direct effects on the Iowa City Downtown's income.
If students are determined to get drunk, they will do so. Limiting the
out-of sight alcohol sales will not deter them from getting drunk.
people are always going to find a way to drink underage, no matter what
laws are passed. There are still going to be people who drink
irresponsibly/dangerously, "Where there's a will, there's a way."
People are going to drink no matter what. At least having everyone drink
in one place like the bars downtown everything is contained and easier to
keep an eye on.
if buyers can only buy one drink at a time, it will be harder for underage
drinkers to get drinks
BECAUSE PEOPLE STILL KNOWWHERE TO GO
It might somewhat, but very little because regardless, people will always
be able to find someone else who is 21 to buy them drinks "in sight."
If people want alcohol, they will manage to get it. I do not think
setting limits inside the bars will do much good. If you have a friend
that is over 21, he/she will get you alcohol at stors, etc., despite any
limits at the bars.
no not at all just drink before you go and more people driving drunk
college students drink excessively no matter what the circumstances. the
media reinforces this fact with movies ranging from ANimal house to even
more conservative and realistic sitcoms such as 90210. College students
drink. Nothign wll change this behavior or even deter it.
It will be MUCH harder for underage people to get drinks!
Dangerous drinking- No. Underage drinking- yes a liffle, but many minors
have fake ID's
For most people, part of coming to college is parrying. I don't think
there's much than can stop that, short of a complete shift in attitudes to
toward what college life is all about.
Becuase people don't go out to spend a set amount of money and drink until
irs gone. They go out for whatever their reasons are and stop buying when
they want to.
People will do what they want to do no matter what. WE need to teach
responsibility--not outlaw drinking.
Drinking will be pushed into private residences, where the police can
crack down more effectively on underage drinkers and proriders.
If a person wants to get drunk, they will do it at any price. Drinking is
going to be popular at a college no matter what the price is.
Because if underage students can't drink at bars, they will just go to
parties more frequently. At a party you can spend 55 for all the beer
you want, and thus are more likely to binge drink, I know that the few
times I have gotten very drunk it was at a party, and not at the bar,
Also, drinking is fun, and people like to do it. You know it and I know
it. You like to drink too, admit it.
If students want to drink, they will find a way outside the bars.
One reason: If people want to drink, they WILL find a way and when people
our age drink, we often "binge" drink. It's not a new concept, and trying
to "force" people to do as the city would like, is not going to do any
good.
I think that drinking is primarily a social activity; the college
environment mixes 19 year olds with 21 + year olds. Thus, alcohol is
available to any student who wants to drink through friends who are of
age.
It would make it more difficult for underage or intoxicated patrons to
obtain (more) alcohol
The answer to the problem lies in educating students so that they develop
more responsible drinking habits; creating a more repressive atmosphere
will make the problem worse.
People will switch to house parties and just create more havok.
you can try to limit the sale but that doesn't mean that the bars are
going to follow those limits. they don't do it now they won't in the
future
I think it will just increase the number of fake I.D's used. And it's a
stupid idea, especially if you're out on a date with someone and they
offer to buy you a drink.
Underage drinkers will still be there.
because then there woudl be less underage drinking in bars
If someone's soul intention is to drink a lot and get drunk, sales and
advertising are not going to play a huge role.
Because they'll still get it, not matter if it's not advertized. If
people are going to drink, they're going to find a way.
In a crowded bar, the bartender can't know how many drinks any one person
has had, nor if they are planning on giving that drink to an underage
patron.
No, I believe that this will only hinder the establishments way to make
money and cause overcrowding near the bar area.
I don't think it matters what the laws say, if people want to ddnk, they
will always find a way to do so. It's like any other illegal activity; if
people want to do it, they'll find a way, no matter what.
Because there will just be a lot more keggers!
If people want it bad enough, they will find a way to do it.
college kids drink, that's just what we do, ,,we'll do it at the bars or
anywhere else we can find
People do the majority of their drinking before they go out, not at the
bars_its too expensive.
Students will still spend the money regardless of the cost. It is an
added bonus to be able to drink for a lower cost, but it will not stop
students from consuming alcohol. On top of the point just made, passing a
law like this would not be fair to those who are of legal age.
There is still a desire for alcohol, out of sight out of mind will not
work! People will see it in the media, and other places.
Minors will get alcohol if they want it. Education of children before
they reach teenhood is the only answer.
I have been to Iowa State where minors can't get into bars and the parties
there are unbelievably more wild than any bar is here
It can't huff to limit alcohol sales in bars, although I feel the majority
of the problems with drinking (either underage or dangerous amounts) occur
in private residences (frats, homes, apartments, and so on).
People who want to drink a lot will do so regardless of prices.
Its easy to get a drink. Everybody knows somebody who is 21
people under-age will always find a way to drink...until you lower the
drinking age
If you're going to drink, limiting out-of-sight alcohol sales aren't going
to make a difference
people will still drink just as much, but it will be harder on them
money-wise. They will still do it.
it doesnt matter if underage ddnkers have to pay more for their alcohol,
they will still drink it untill it is no longer a challenge to do so.
Too many people have fakes or know people who are 21, they can go anywhere
to get alcohol.
Just because you limit the drinking prices at the bar just means that
these students are going to drink somewhere else. People can drink at
their houses, parties, or friends places. If you jack up the prices at
the bars, that just means that you are going to have more people drink
somewhere else, and that usually means unresponsibly. Think about it.
Not a very smart idea. At least when they are at the bar they have to be
somewhat smart or they are going to get kicked out or busted by one of the
pesky iowa City policeman.
Won't make it as easy to give to underagers.
Students are going to get alcohol no matter what the circumstances. This
is college.
People that are underage will still find a way to obtain alcohol at the
bars.
People will just make repeat trips to the bar. It will just take them
longer to get drinks.
STUDENTS ARE GOING TO FIND OTHER PLACES TO DRINK THEN IN B~RS. IF YOU
DRINK AT A PARTY MORE DRIVING WILL TAKE PLACE.
They're still going to drink--it's just what they do!
Iowa city politicians can not put that tight of limits on the bars. If
prices get too high people will just have more house and appartment
parties where there are NO regulations.
People will know that the sales still exist, and will still take advantage
of them, untierage or not.
Students will begin drinking in private homes that offer less safety in
some situations
No, because ifa student is going to drink, he or she is going to drink.
If the bars are really expensive, students will rum to house parties,
reducing the economy of downtown Iowa City.
Students are used to drinking underage. They will just find some other
way that they can get their liquor.
Students who want to drink will do so regardless of what is down to
prevent it. In reality it is just making the problem worse, students will
look for other sources and might travel to other cities to do so
increasing the probability of drunk drivers.
All you are doing is moving the drinking from a safe environment to one
that is not so safe. And driving to other towns will increase drunk
driving especialiy since most people walk to the bars anyway
If people want alcohol, it's pretty easy to get whether or not something
is limited
People will simply start having parties...and then people will start
driving to the parties...and then people will die from Drunk Driving!
Because they will still find ways to get it
The underage will find another way to obtain alcohol. Those who want
alcohol when they leave a bar will just purchase it before they go to a
bar. Limiting alcohol sales will not significantly change established
drinking habits.
If we can't go to the bars more house parties will take place which are
less safe for the community because there are no bouncers to stop
unresponsible people. People who want to drink dangerously will find
someway to do it no matter what.
because some one will always buy you alcohol
people are going to drink no matter what the law does. It is not going to
stop anybody from drinking if they want to drink.
People could just go up to different bartenders and order one drink, then
go again to another, and so on.
No it will not decrease the level of dangerous drinking and underage
drinking because if people want to drink they will find means to do it
however they can, nothing can deter people if they are determined to
drink, there are always other ways to get alcohol
Converse will occur.
I know that many of my friends that want to get drunk do so before they go
out to the bars. One reason for this is because it is cheaper for them to
drink before they go to the bars. So I don't think that it will stop
people who want to get really drunk from drinking.
No matter what they do, underage kids are going to find a way to get
And it is really not fair to those who are legal to punish them and not
allowing drink specials.
Out of sight means out of mind. That means that any minors will be able to
drink without being monitored, and the level of dangerous drinking will
increase. Enough said.
There is a reason why students go out and drink. Limiting sales is only a
quick fix solution and doesnt not address the reason why people feel like
it is necessary to drink.
If underage people want alcohol, they will get it.
Some people honestly think that all college is about is drinking. Limiting
the number of drinks they can buy at one time will not prevent them from
drinking. Eventually I think most people either fail out of college or
straiten themselves out.
It is just to easy to get alchole. We were able to get it in High School
underage, why would we not be able to get in college!
if people are determined to consume alcohol, they will do so regardless of
alcohol sales.
Underage drinkers will find a patron of legal age and convince them to buy
them the alcohol. Many of the bars are operated by fraternity and sorority
members. This provides a reliable source of alcohol to the respective
brothers and sisters. In my case I was friends with a member in a
fraternity and still received the same benefits.
People will still go to bars not knowing the deals. They will still
consume alcohol. The deals are an bonus.
any time you try to discorage drinking at bars, people will turn to house
parties, which are proven to be more dangerous due to the levels of
various narcotics. also, there are usually no sober people at house
parties in case of emergencies.
VVhile I do feel that by making the bars in Iowa City have only a certain
area where people can purchase and then consume those drinks is a possible
solution, I also believe people are going to look for alternatives.
The legal age for smoking is 18. Does that keep people who are younger
from getting their hands on cigarretes? When I was in high school, I saw
numerous people who smoked and who were underage. Limiting drinking isn't
going to solve the problem. Did prohibition stop the selling of alcohol
in the early 19th century? It only lead to bootlegging and making things
worse.
Drinking is an activity that underage college students are going to
partake in. So they don't have easy access to alcohol at bars, big deal,
SO they'll get someone to buy for them.
most dangerous drinking does not happen in bars, nor does most underage
drinking occur in the bars
Because limiting alcohol sales in the bars will only make for more alcohol
problems in the dorms and elsewhere in Iowa City. If students want to
drink, they will drink; limiting them from going to the bars will only
cause more problems.
No, Right now the majority of the students go to the bars on the weekend
and during the weekend there are not really any "out-of-sight" drink
specials and underage students still find a way to get intoxicated.
Students will always find another way to drink as much as they can.
if they were legal, why would they be out of sight?
Not every bar will actually be able to regulate these actions due to busy
nights and also if you are only allowed to get one drink or one glass for
a pitcher, the 21 year-old with the minor can still go up on seperate
occasions to get a minor a drink.
I know people who buy for others who are underage
It won't---underage drinkers might be slightly deterred but not
completely. They will just ask their overage friends to make additional
trips to the bar. Limiting out of sight sales will do absolutely NOTHING
except cause a huge headache for overage drinkers who are getting drinks
for their overage friends. It's a ludicrous idea.
People are going to find a way to drink no matter what happen. It is part
of the college experience and should be expected.
The majority of people who go to the bar and get completely trashed are
drunk before they even enter the bar. The bars make it extrememly
difficult to purchase alcohol if one is underage, and even if a person had
a fake, the door-guys can spot it rather quickly. Dangerous drinking is
going to occur whether or not the sales are limited. If a student can't
get wasted in a bar, then they are more likely to go drink in other places
such as houses, apartments, dorms, etc. At least in the bar there are some
controls on how out of control people get, i.e. the bouncers can throw
roudy people out, the bartenders can stop serving.
no
I believe so, because the bars are the easiest places for underage
students to get a drink..,
Students are going to drink no matter what.
If kids want to drink, kids will drink. They will find a way regardless
of the law.
This question does not make sense. I do not understand what "out-of-sight
alcohol sales" are. If you are going to do a public survey, at least ask
questions that the lay public can understand, and not ones written by a
PhD. from Harvard University.
I believe that in a public atmosphere such as the bars, drinking can be
done in a more responsible manner- and moreso, students WILL find other
means of getting alcohol- illegally most likely!
DEFINITELY!!!!!!
People are going to drink, no matter what rules are in place. If you want
alcohol, you can always get ahold of it.
if you want it, you'll find a way to get it, as with anything in a
capitalistic society..duh
NO, because I think the students drinking will jsut find some other way or
place to drink. The people who hinge drink really only care about
drinking and not much else.
Many ways to get drinks.
People will drink if they want to drink, you can't stop that, They will
find other means of obtaining alcohol. If they don't drink in the bars
they will drink the their residences.
It will increase private house parties in which there is no security or
monitoring as there is in the bars in Iowa City.
Because a person can still drink if they want to
If people want to drink, they are not going to be dissuaded by the cost.
They are already paying a bundle anyway.
The drinking will take place whether it is in the bars or not.
If there is a will there's a way.
people are going to drink the same amount regardless of price.
If they can't get it in the bars, they are going to go to house padies
which are more dangerous!!
It's generally accepted that lowering prices on anything is a way to get
people to buy more-- it's a basic principle of economics.
Kids are going to find ways to get beer. period. I think that drawing
attention to the supposed "hinge-drinking" problem in IC actually
normalizes it and makes people think that it is the socially acceptable
way to party on campus.
There is nothing that anyone can do do decrease the levels of drinking at
the university. If they crack down on the drink specials at the bars the
only people it is going to hurt is the students. This is because the
drink specials save us money. I know the university doesn't care if
students save money, but as a student it is important to me.
People won't be able to buy for other people. But it will also cause a
huge hassle when a group of 21 ers don't want to all go to the bar for a
drink.
people will still find a way to drink.
Because if people want to drink a lot they will still pay the money to do
SO.
house parties and other forms of unchecked drinking will increase
Drinking is a social, fun thing to do. Restrictions will only make people
have to go through other means to get drunk besides going to bars. Just
let us drink if we want to drink!
Because people will find a way to get it. When they cant have it, the
ywant it more.
LIMITING THE DRINKING AGE IN IOWA CITY WILL ONLY ADD TO MORE HOUSE PARTIES
WHICH WILL ONLY ADD TO MORE DRINKING AND DRIVING. I, PERSONALLY, DON'T
HAVE A PROBLEM WITH DRINKING, BUT WHEN A PERSON GOES BEHIND THE WHEEL. I
FEEL UNSAFE AS A PEDESTRIAN AND A DRIVER. THE CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO
REALIZE THAT THE MAJORITY OF UNDERAGE STUDENTS DRINK REGARDLESS, WHETHER
AT BARS OR NOT.
I don't think that people learn from past mistakes or other people's
experiences with alcohol. I think as long as people feel invincible and
that "It won't happen to me", alcohol will be a problem on college
campuses and with young people.
People will find a way to get drinks, and it is not fair to people that
are 21 and who are buying for friends that are also legal.
If students want to drink, they will just find another place, a house
party or something else.
I don't think that it will because students will either use more fakes.
attain the alcohol some other way, or go to parties farther away and drive
drunk
The drinking will just move to house parties.
People will find a way to get alcohol despite the efforts being made to
curb it. Limiting the number of drinks one can purchase will just anger
the population of people who are 21 and cause more traffic at the bar.
If people want to drink. they will find a way no matter what.
A person of age can easily buy one drink and take it to an underage
drinker. It is really no different than what happens now. Besides, in
regards to pitchers of beer, how can the server tell who is drinking from
that pitcher and who isn't?
Because it creates a problem elsewhere. You're going to push the students
to apartments and other late night party areas. I transferred from a
different school and when I was there we rarely went to the bars. Instead
we had after hours at the fiats (obviously not anymore in a lot of
schools) and there were a lot of parties in the apartments. Including
Fraternities that sponsered parties in the apartment complexes. Students
aren't going to stop drinking, they're not stupid, they'll find the little
niches to slip into.
Because it is not hard at all to obtain alcohol.
irresponcable individuals will act irresponcable, regardless of age or
conditions. To act irresponcable is what it is to be irresponcable.
people will find ways around it and will drink if they want to
it doesnt matter, students are still going to drink
People will always find ways to get and consume alcohol, whatever the age.
Changing the bars to 21, and or, limiting the amount of advertising and
regulating specials will do absolutely nothing to solve the underage
drinking problem. The only thing any of this will accomplish is forcing
students to go to more off campus parties where violence and sexual
assaults are much more common.
Because the activity will only move from the bars to house and dorm
rooms...kids will find a way.
no matter what people will drink. it doesn't matter where they get it
from. they can get it.
People will still find a way to buy alcohol.
Always ways to get around rules like that. ~ think it will just be a pain
for people who are just buying a drink for a friend with no illegal
intent.
Bars will still have sales and people will continue to drink even if there
aren't any sales.
If someone wants to drink...they are going to drink regardeless of the out
of sight sales in the bars.
I feel that this will just cause many other things... 1 ) Individuals will
get much more intoxicated before they go out to the bars. 2) This will
irritate individuals over the age of 21 immensely!!! 3) There is no way to
stop young adults from drinking if they want to.
In my opinion, house parties and such are more dangerous than bars because
at a house, a person can pay $5 and drink as much as they want. At bars a
person is obliged to spending more, and bars are more controlled due to
bouncers, etc.
Because that will be a rule/law, people do not respect drinking rules/laws
now, that is why we have the "problem" there is no evidence to support the
idea that the new rule/law would be followed more than the existing ones.
Everyone will stil~ drink. If we want to drink, we will. We found ways to
get alcohol when we were 14.
Kids will find ways to get drinks no matter what.
We are kids. No matter what restricitons are made for buying alchohol we
will find ways around them.
because I know nothing about what this term means and I can't skip the
question
Students will always be able to drink somewhere else, in the dorm, at
parties, anywhere they can drink.
The people drinking "out-of-sight" alcohol want it badly enough that they
will find other, perhaps more risky ways of obtaining it.
either way people are going to drink. They will walk or take the cambus
to downtown or they will drive their cars to a party.
No because the people who really want to drink, underage or not will find
a way.
sales or no sales 'dangerous drinking and underage drinking will persist.
Its just another case of barcking up the wrong tree
Underage students will get alcohol anyway they want. The law or "new
ideas" won't stop them.
Underage drinking will continue even with a limited out-of-sight alcohol
sales. They will find ways to get around it.
I feel underage drinkers will continue to find a way to drink, and do so
heavily. I also feel that those who are not underage, will feel no
effects by any of the policies that would be passed - they would still
drink irresponsibly.
Kids will get alcohol no matter what. It's just the way it is. Every
species in the world finds a way to become inebriated. increasing
restriction will only force people to go to more drastic and dangerous
methods to attain what they desire.
Underage students will drink no matter what. If it is in a bar, it is
easier to control.
People that are regulars at the bar know how the bar operates.
NO, we will drink no matter what is changed. It will just become more
expensive and less convinient to do so at the bars. It will move the
problem more heavily to dorms and house parties.
It won't make any difference. It may increase the use of fake ID's.
college kids are going to drink, no matter what measures are taken. by
limiting the situation (not a problem) downtown is just going to move
underage adults to off campus areas to ddnk, in essence creating more
problems. Fights, drinking and driving, etc.
if people want to drink, they will no matter what
If the bars do that, all that will happen are more house parties.
Rapes/drug abuse is much less at the bars because there is someone to make
sure that things are under control (bouncer/owners).
the underage drinkers are going to drink whether people of authority want
them to or not. Obviously they are, and always have and always will,
I dont think that by limiting out-of-sight sales you will hault drinking.
Kids will still drink, this tactic will only cause students to dig deeper
into their already shallow pockets
College students will ddnk no matter what. There are no but's, ifs or
and's about it. And not just in Iowa City, but in colleges EVERYVVHERE.
So no matter what kind of rules or regulations placed towards drinking in
Iowa City, people(underaged) will find a way to drink. If not at the
bars, then at house parties where it will be even more unsafe and people
will drink even more unresponsibly.
Students drink more irresponsibly when they are at a party and alcohol is
cheaper than at a bar.
Kids will still find a way to get alcohol and consume it illegally.
Honestly, if kids that are underage want to drink, They will find a way.
Most of the underage drinkers I know get drunk before they go to the bar
in their dorms or apartments. Limiting how much they can drink at the bar
will not affect their drinking habits.
out of sight, out of mind
Unfortunately, I think underage drinking is one of those problems that is
inevitable or we would not have to deal with it year after year. The
social condition has to change.
because if people don't go to the bars, they will drink at house parties
Most underage drinkers don't pay attention to the specials. They are
still going to drink no matter what the price of alcohol. Limiting
out-of-sight sales hurts those over 21 because they are the ones looking
for deals,
underage will just go to a party to get alcohol
The more off-limits it is to drink, the cooler it will be to do so. Most
people have an older friend who will buy it for them anyway.
See #8
It will only cause more house parties to occur and for more alcohol
consumption to take place there and in the dotms.
People get the same prices at the store and will just have parties.
Underage drinking is so difficult to combat, I'm not sure what Iowa City
bars can even do to prevent it. If they don't want people under 21 to
drink, then they shouldn't let them into their establishment in the first
place. But then they would have to face the hard reality that underage
drinking brings in a lot of money, and the city knows it as well. Money
or human life? Hmmmmm ....
Underage drinkers money is just as green as everyone elses andteh bars are
in this to make money. As long as minors are allowed into bars they will
drink. In addition, it would just push the drinking to other locations,
Increased legislation has never. ever solved any problem.
I think eliminating the specials will net alleviate the drinking problems.
Students who choose to drink will do so regardless of specials.
It will increase the dangerous drinking, People will go to house parties
where there are no bouncers to protect you.
I think that college students are going to drink if you live in Iowa city,
Coralvilre, or Los Angeles. Drinking often goes hand in hand with college
lifestyles across not only our country...but the nation as well.
Because half this University is from the Chicago suburbs, and their
parents give them ridculous amounts of money to spend. And no, this isn't
a broad generalization.
If people want to drink they are going to drink, no matter what.
People will drink regardless
people will just find their alcohol in other places.
College students are going to drink regardless of how many steps they need
to achieve to get the amt. of alcohol they want.
There is no way that any rule will ever stop or decrease the underage
drinking that occurs at ALL COLLEGES. If you make more rules all you are
going to create is more problems with sneaking around which in turn will
cause more accidents.
More minors will start going to house parties instead of bars, and
excessive drinking is more dangerous at a party, where the alcohol is
pretty limitless.
prohibiting it will make it that much more desireable don't luck over the
priveledged because of a small handful of those who break the law in
erroneous fashion
underage people will just drink in homes then
people want to drink regardless what the price is!
People are going to drink regardless of what new rules are put into
effect.
it is dumb because people are going to drink no matter how much it costs.
The City council is wasting time. There is always going to be drinking in
a college town. Deal with it. IT is unconstitutional to tell someone how
much they can sell something for. I thought this was Iowa City, now it is
becomming the People's Republic of Iowa City.
People aren't going to the bars because of cheap drinks, they are going to
have fun and be with friends. Drink specials might make people go to a
particular bar, but they will go out regardless of advertised specials.
Prohibition never works. lowarts are stupid fucks that deserve to drink
themselves into oblivion. The more people die, the better.
Defining out-of-sight alcohol sales becomes a problem and could cause a
number a people to lose their jobs.
College kids are poor and it's easy for the city council to exploit that
People are going to drink what they want, when they want to do it. By
trying to alter the current situation, you are just going to upset the
students who will rebel to this with very irresponsible actions that will
look extremely bad for the UI.
People who are underage and drink can get away with it because they have
fake identification and or know someone that will give it to them if they
are underage. When I was underage laws did not stop me. My friends got
alcohol for me. My age was not a deterence. I actually drink less now,
and I am of age to comsume alcohol now.
People will always still drink a lot in a college town.
people will just drink before they go out to the bars
people will go to parties even more, which is less safe than the bars
anyway
Students drink because it is novilty that is concidered rebellious. Any
meserment taken to ristrict drinking will make it appear that more
desirable.
There are so many other ways...parties, apartments,...its college! Irs
like this EVERYWHERE.
because people like to drink
Because underage kids will always find a way to drink no matter what.
It's a fact of life.
Underage students will continue to find ways to drink, i.e. staying in
their dorm rooms.
Because students will find other ways to get the alcohol.
Because no matter what people do to stop dangerous or underage drinking
rates, students will still find a way to drink no matter how hard it is
and the harder it becomes for a student to get alcohol the more dangerous
becomes because their are more factors involved.
Seeing alcohol sales advertised does not encourage those who would not
participate in drinking or do so in a responsible manner to drink more.
stores must do their part and check id's
If the younger students want to drink they are going to find a way to do
it whether or not it is in a bar or somewhere else. They will probably
move to house parties which disrupts the community more and causes more
uncontrolled house citations. We need to do more than with the bars, we
need an entire attitude change and social atmosphere change. There is a
difference between going out with friends for a social drink and getting
drunk. One is done my older students and the other younger.
Waitresses are currently very responsible about making sure those they
serve are of age.
because if people want to drink they will drink, the out-of-sight sales
just help poor college students
Because out of sight sales do not represent a large proportion of underage
drinking, and if it is decreased then minors will simply invest in fake
ID's. If not they will drink the same amount outside the bars.
People will find ways to drink regardless.
There are always ways around things like this. Someone may go back to the
bar 8 times for a round of drinks, but they will do it nonetheless.
Because legally,correct me if I wrong but underage people aren't really
supposed to be drinking anyway right!But they get a hold to it anyway. You
know that if you really want something that you are going to get it. If
these underage kids really want to get drunk they will.And If Iowa don't
want to sell it to them then they will most likely find another place who
will.
because people will go elsewhere to get cheap alcohol
A significant number of college students are going to drink. Period. They
will find some way to do it.
people that want to drink will do so regardless of specials and what not
I think the more laws that we enact the more a police presence will be in
a the bars. With a larger police presence it will appear that the numbers
are larger. (Much like now.) If people want to drink, they will. Look
what prohibition did.
I don't feel it will have an influence on the students who visit the bars.
I feel that it would change the dynamics of where they drink, but overall
it would be advantageous. I can imagine that people write in, "they'll
get jt somehow or another''; I agree, yet it will in fact decrease alcohol,
and at least get closer to making the businesses responsible.
People are going to dink no matter ttthey are in a bar or at a house.
Them are too many bars and too many students to curb any type of
drinking.
Kids will always find a way to get the alcohol. To think that we can keep
it away from them is foolish.
I belive that young people will always have a way of getting alcohol. I
don't want to sound pretentious, but if they can't go to the bars, then
they'll go to house or apartment parties. Underage drinking will not stop.
You run a higher risk of drinking and driving also if you were to make
people choose to go to house parites instead of the bars. Also, there WILL
be a drastic increase in the number of fake ID's.
this way people can't get their friends to buy them drinks. just so you
know, underage drinking is not synonymous with dangerous drinking. your
answer implies this...assholes.
People will find away of getting alcohol
I believe that students will pay for alcohol at whatever the cost...if
they cannot get the sales from bars, they willl go to local stores to get
the best deals on alcohol.
There are always people who will buy for underage drinkers. If bars go
21 then there will be more outragous house parties and more chances for
people to get hurt since there will be no bouncers at these parties.
The people that want to drink will do it anyway reguardless of whether or
not they personally can buy alcohol, This is something that has gone on
for generations and is unlikely to stop anytime soon.
People will find a way to get it
Because the students will still drink the same amount, they will just end
up spending more money.
If kids want to drink they will do it. Where there's a will, there's a
way. Issuing laws just gives people more motivation to rebel against them.
College students will drink one way or another. Most choose to by their
own free will, are not forced to and are not coerced to do so due to
specials. Most college students view drinking as fun and will learn from
mistakes they may make.
Because its easier and cheaper for a kid to get alcohol outside of a bar
than it is to get it inside. Their are enough 21 year olds in this town
to buy for minors that no one has to go without beer.
No because more Fake ids will arise.
If those under the age of 21 want to drink, they can always find a way. I
know because I was one of them. And I don't drink much at all. I think it
would decrease the simplicity of gaining access to alcohol, but not
decrease dangerous drinking,
Those of legal age can still go to the bar multiple times to get drinks
for underage drinkers. This will probably only increase the number of
fake ID's used in Iowa City,
Because underage drinkers always will find a way to get alcohol, and if
not at the bars then they will turn to other parties where it is easier to
drink even more.
There are so many ways to get alcohol not just here but anywhere. Takeing
away those sales will just increase the house party scene where kegs will
be involved and in a setting where there is no supervision by those who
are paid to do so,
If the students want to drink, they'll find ways to drink.
People always find a way.
people will just use more fake ids and others will make more frequent
trips to the bar.
some people get extremely drunk because of these sales so it might help to
limit them, but underage people can still find ways to drink whether at a
bar or not
Because if a student can not drink in the bars they will go some where
elso to get the alcohol and this could be more dangerous becuase then
studnets may drink and drive or become more destructive to the community
Drinking is going to happen...if you don't let it happen in a controlled
setting then expect it to happen in a uncontrolled setting.
Maybe this will work. Students have already found ways to drink as under
age drinkers. They will continue to do so. The answer is provided other
alternatives to going out Thursday through Sunday evenings to drink.
People will go to parties that are farther away, drink more because it is
cheap, and walk or driv ehome which could result in an accident or sexual
assault
Students will drink no matter what...the bar specials don't even effect us
very much. Maybe some people go to a certain bar for the specials, but
either way we will still pay for alcohol even if there aren't any
specials. This is Amercia, why does Iowa City, or even the state of Iowa
have a right to say how these places handle their business. The
limitations will make more house parties and no one will really care
because we'll pay the regular amount anyway.
Many people choose different times to go out, come to town to visit, or
have town events that people come to, so you can't possibly monitor the
amount sold.
People go to the bars and get wasted easily whether they are of age or
not. It is getting cheaper and cheaper and college students are poor.
No, because students will still be able to get drunk in other social
settings throughout the University including dorms and house parties.
I feel alcohol sales are a product of business competition and therefore
not only necessary but a smart business decision. If a underage
individual wants to get drunk they are going to- despite what the bars
offer.
they will find it somewhere else, maybe in a more dangerous situation.
If people want to drink, they will find a way (e.g. fake ideas, friends
buying). Limiting alcohol sales in bars might help temporarily, but
eventually drinking will resume full speed,
Because people will find a way to get alcohol and limiting the business of
bars is not the way to stop drinking.
If the bars choose to limit these sales, then more money will go into
pre-drinking, which may lead to more OWl's and DUI's. It isn't a smart
idea.
It is a form of prohibition and that didn't work before. If a person
wants to drink dangerously they will, whether it is expensive or not. I
can't see how giving a person with a drinking problem a financial problem
as well is beneficial at all.
If the alcohol isn't as cheap, the students won't be as able to afford it
People will get someone to buy them drinks no matter what!!
Kids will drink whether it is in the bar or at parlies or other.
every bar has it's own reputation, we know what special is where and on
what nights...it's not going to turn into a big secret without the
newspapers!
I feel that most of the dangerous drinking that takes place in Iowa city
happens not in the bars, but at house parties. Severely limiting access
to bars will only encourage more house parties, which cannot be regulated
at all.
people will just find someplace else to do it.
It will force the problem underground, making it harder to monitor
College students will drink no matter what.
People will ddnk when they want and as much as they want, regardless of
the costs. Underage drinkers will still consume alcoholic beverages
regardless of the cost of the fine they may receive for doing so. Why
wouldn't they still buy the liquor, even if it's not on sale?
Kids usually find a way to drink, especially if the bar owners condone it.
Passing laws won't help; the bar owners need to stop being selfish and
crack down on underage drinking,
it will slow down the consumption
underage drinkers will still be able to receive drinks from their friends
that are of age
Limiting drinking in the bars will just push students to drink in private
homes, where there is less security.
If you eliminate a known danger, you will simply force people to find a
different way to get alcohol.,. at least this way you know which direction
the bullet is coming from
If you limit drinking in bars, it will be moved out to house parties,
across the entire city, which are harder to control, and more dangerous.
Because the kids would just have someone of age go and get it for them,
If your in a bar, atleast you're in a safe place if anything were to
happen. If students have to go sneaking around, more problems will occur.
Drinkling is almost guarenteed to increase, accidents, fights, etc are
likely to occur.
I think that no matter what if people want to drink they will.
Out of site sales, If the management of the bar had proper control of
the site this would not be a problem in the first place
Drinking is a part of college culture whether you like it or not. No
matter what you do to slow down alcohol abuse, underage students will find
a way to get it.
IF people want alcohol they will get it one way or another.
I don't choose where I want to go by cost, I go there because I enjoy the
atmosphere and my close friends are there.
Money is never the issue when it comes to how much a person chooses to
drink. If it was, then that person would not go to a bar for alcohol.
Any money spent on alcohol is money gone.
It's going to happen either way.
I'm not sure what you mean by out-of-sight alcohol sales.
It's just a change of where the students would drink.
If people want to drink, they are going to dish out the extra cash to do
so.
Something needs to be done. They shouldn't be able to walk into a bar and
give as many tickets as they do.
Collge students will drink.
People will find a way to drink whether it's through advertisement, word
of mouth. etc.
I think students drink about the same amount either way. Maybe a little
more when there is a special, but for the most part they won't drink more
dangerously.
It simply shifts the problem from one place to another. Sure. limiting
out-of-sight sales will decrease the amount consumed in bars, but the
amount consumed at parties will increase just as much if not more. because
they are not regulated.
Because it is going to happen anyway. IF we are not in a controlled place
like the bars, we are going to be out on the streets making it even harder
for the cops.
I feel that this effort to discourage dangerous or underage drinking is
improperly focused.
I don't know what out-of sight sales are.
no matter what, people will find a way
NOT EVEN CLOSE!!! Simply by making it harder to drink at the bars is just
going to make more people go to house parties. Kids come to school to
have fun and drink.. If the bars aren't allowing underage kids to drink,
they WILL find another way,
Students will consume just as much. if not more alcohol, at their home
before they go down to the bars.
People are going to drink if they want to regardless of laws. look at the
Prohibition.
If kids can't get the alcohol in the bars they'll just go elsewhere to get
it.
because underage drinking will continue no matter what rules you
institute. Limiting drink sales will just make individuals drink more
before they go to the bar.
If it's limited in the bars, students will just find other sources such as
house parties... which provides an un-regulated environment. Much more
dangerous!
If students want to at the bars they are usually willing to spend the
money.
Depends on how attentive the bartender is. If he doesn't notice that the
same person keeps coming up to buy for a large group of underage people it
won't change things.
people will still be able to drink while at bars~for example would they
outlaw pitchers too?~i don't think so-that wouldn't stop underage
drinking, plus it is more of a hastie for people who are over 21 and
buying drinks for their friends who are also 21 -it is much easier for just
one person to do it
if underage people want to drink, they can always have their legal friends
buy for them.
College Life and Drinking go hand in hand
Students will find a way to get drunk if they really want to
no, many students are drunk by the time they get to the bar
if a person wants to drink and he/she cant get it at the bar he/she will
drink somewhere else, Home, house party etc.
If someone wants to drink, they will find a way.
College students drink. Move on to more important issues. VVhat a waste
of time and money. Focus on education to stress dangers of binge drinking
(death/rape),butforgetevertryingto get students to stop. Idrank15
years ago as an undergrad and likely so did most of the adults who are now
complaining about it. Besides, the Iowa City economy would collapse w/o
the alcohol it sells. Education is good. Attempting to end it is a joke
and a waste of money.
UISG Drinking Behavior Survey Question #8
General Comments
8. Do you feel that laws enacted by the Iowa City Council limiting price
specials and/or setting a minimum price for drinks will decrease the level
of dangerous drinking behavior and/or underage drinking at the University of
Iowa ?
Choice Votes Approximate %
Yes 185 14% *
No 1115 86% ********
Total 1300
Executive summary of responses
In general, most students responding to this survey do not think that limiting price
specials and/or setting a minimum price for drinks will have huge impacts on the
level of dangerous or underage drinking. Most comments state that students
who want to drink, will drink, regardless of cost---and that it is a behavior inherent
in college life everywhere. A number of comments do note that a some students
will be limited because of the financial strains of being a college student. Many
students also believe that people will "pre-party" more before they go out to the
bars.
-Summary by Andy Stoll, UISG
8. Do you feel that laws enacted by the Iowa City Council limiting price
specials and/or setting a minimum price for drinks will decrease the level
of dangerous drinking behavior and/or underage drinking at the University of
Iowa?
Choice Votes Approximate %
Yes 185 14% *
No 1115 86% ........
Total 1300
Because laws like that will destroy the downtown's economy. Look at all
the the restuarants that thrive on the bar crowds.
It will actually increase dangerous drinking because students will try to
fit more alcohol consumption in the time before they go to the bars.
Same as above...people find ways around it
students will drink elsewhere
If the bars become too expensive, this shifts the masses to
house/apartment parties. Whereas bars provide a limited safe haven for
those who may feel threatened by a fellow intoxicated person, house
parLies have an increased potential to breed violence and/or sexual
misconduct, simply because there is no hired help (bouncers/possibly
bartenders) to ensure the safety of the individual. It becomes the
person's sole responsibility to protect his/herself from harm, and a
majority of intoxicated persons aren't able to do so.
Because if the City Council makes it harder to drink in the bars, the
students will move into the apartments, houses and residence halls all
around campus. Ask U of Wisconsin or Minnesota if having stict bars keeps
their freshman and sophomores from drinking and then tearing up the
residential areas around the school. It's a pointless endeavor.
Kids will always consume lots of alcohol no matter what the price.
People who want to drink will either pay the new price or just find other
sources of alcohol.
If someone wants to drink and they are underage, they will still do so,
either they will pay more at the bar or they will go to house partys,
which are more dangerous.
If people think the bars are too expensive, they will start going to house
parties and drinking for cheaper.
Again, kids will do anything they can to drink. If this means they pay
more for their drinks they will.
People will drink more before they go to the bars so they don't have to
spend as much money at the bars. All that this is going to accomplish is
running the students money supply dry. The bars are already expensive
enough!
The majority of it happens at house parties right now.
No, I think it will cause more people fighting in lines to get drinks and
if there are no specials, then bars may lose their business
Eventually. Again, I don't think it's a good idea, but it would work.
Students will still do it b/c it is a part of college life for some.
Students who are wanting to drink on a social level will still pay for
drinks regardless of their price, if that is their activity of choice.
People will simply drink more proir to going to the bars. All that these
fascist price limits will do is limit the ability of bars to practice
capitalism.
It will get too expensive and people will go to parties and drink where it
is cheap
Drink specials are only an added bonus. Most of my friends are not
influenced to go out at night because of a drink special. The only thing
beneficial about drink specials is most people will spend a few less
dollars during the course of the night.
Students who drink irresponsibly will continue to drink irresponsibly
regardless of what the City Council does. And the same goes for students
that drink responsibly.
people will still find away to get drunk if they are serious about it
I think this proposal is absurd. Why should 21 year old, responsible
drinkers be punished? Minors shouldn't be allowed in bars anyway. The
age for admission should be 21. The university should put more of an
effort into sponsoring other activities that students could attend.
I think people are just going to be going to the bar more often. Lines
will be longer, and people will get upset about the annoyance of waiting
at the bar all night. Limiting pdce specials may just push more people
to other places, such as less well known bars, where the prices aren't so
high to begin with.
Again, most drinking is done outside the bars.
People who are out to get drunk will, All this will do is make it more
expensive for drinkers (responsible and irresponsible alike) to get a
drink
People are going to drink no matter the price.
It may. Students have limited financial resources. Some who engage in
dangerous drinking behavior may be persuaded to drink more within their
budgets.
people are going to drink no matter what the cost of the drink
Like I stated before...the people who are prone to dangerous drinking
levels are going to go crazy regardless of the specials...this people will
be out of control anywhere.,.but at a bar it can be regulated because
there are other people there..and the threat of cops....forcing bars to
get rid of there specials won't stop this people from going out of
control,, ,the solution to this problem is not a quick fix...to think that
eliminating the cheap deals eliminates binge or dangerous drinking is a
cop out...the city council should spend more time figuring out non
alcoholic events and places to go that would be interesting for those who
don't always want to go out and get bombed...and they should realize that
there is a social problem concerning those who drink dangerously...they
need more help groups or ways in which the students can learn how to
socialize and drink responsibly....in the end their bandaid idea will
solve the problem only on the surface...and it will never really get at
the wound.
That will cause less people to go to bars, it would be much cheaper to go
to the store for alcohol and have a party instead. At a keg party, you
can drink all of the beer you want for around $4, so why go and pay $6 for
one pitcher of beer?
Students drink regardless of what the specials are that night. If you
watch students coming out of the bars they are just as drunk on Friday and
Sat. nights when the prices are high as they are on Thurs. when prices are
low. Students who want to get trashed will do it, regardless of how much
it costs.
People get the money to do there habits, no matter the cost
Bars are only one way to obtain alcoholic beverages. At least when people
drinkin bars they are not alone and unsupervised, they have their friends
to look out for them unlike some other drinking situations.
it may limit dangerous drinking but not underage drinking
Most people don't care about the price. They could be down to their last
few dollers and be faced with the desicion of going out on Friday night or
getting food to last the week, and most students will choose going out.
No....regardless of what your age is if there is a will than there's a way
to purchase alcohol!
Students are still going to drink whether or not there are drinks on
"sale" or special or whatever.
people drink and will continue to no matter what price
People would drink at home or at parties
Students will find other places to consume alcohol or turn to other
substances.
Students don't worry about money when they go to the bars. They are there
to have a good time, regardless of prices.
It might at the beginning, but soon enough people are going to find ways
around the rules. People who want to drink, will drink. With minimum
prices, it just makes them pay more. Its kind of like ciggarettes. Smokers
pay whatever they have to to smoke. Kids will pay whatever they have to to
drink. Its just how it is.
Students will just drink more before they go out to the bars.
As above, if they intend to drink to get drunk, they will one way or
another.
Please don't drink because it's cheap. It might help to slightly lower
the levels of dangerous drinking, although when people are drunk they
don't think about how much money they are pending. There is no way this
policy would do anything for underage drinking.
Same reason as above.
Because the students will just consume more alcohol before they go to the
bars. Limiting the specials and setting a minimum price won't do anything
but upset the students who are legal to drink, and those who do drink
responsibly; it won't detour dangerous drinking or underage drinking
It will just Cause more par~ies at student's houses or aparLments for
students to drink at and there will be a rise in assaults and rapes. The
bars will making more money for each drink if specials are decreased.
Limiting price specials and/or setting minimum price
for drinks does not discourage drinking everywhere. It only makes it more
expensive for the people who choose to drink at bars.
the price is not an issue if you want to drink
However, it will make ordering drinks (one by one instead of 'bulk'
alcohol sales with specials) a more conscious decision.
People will find ways around it.
Students will still go and buy drinks regardless of price, they will just
pay more.
No matter what everyone has access to alcohol, so if they want to drink,
they will, and in turn all they have to do is get drunk before they go to
the bars, in turn not solving any problems.
Those who drink without responsibility would most likely be irresposible
with the consequences of spending money. It would make a difference to
them in the long run of bounced checks or not paying bills. Lets face it,
if your son or daughter asked for money to pay bills because they couldn't
make ends meet... You'd probably do it without thinking there could be a
drinking issue causing the need.
a little push to find other alternatives would ceratilnly make a
difference
it will not make a small impact but is a start
Students are still going to drink the same amounts - the ordinance will
just make it more expensive! If the council wants to end these behaviors,
they need to star~ by requiring all bars to be 21 years or older. I
believe that would stop a lot of the problems. Many of the people Who
begin drinking do so at an early age because various bars make it so easy
for underage drinkers to drink at them.
Again, people will do whatever they like to do no matter the cost.
Not all dangerous drinking occurs at the bars
Like I said, it's treating the symptoms only.
I think that people will continue to buy just as much, but will end up
spending more money. Otherwise, they will drink before they go to the
bars, so they don't have to spend as much. Either way, the students will
still drink as much as they want.
People will still drink, it will just cost them more to do it.
People will pay as much money as it takes to have a good time drinking.
This will just contribute to college students having money problems!
people will pay what they have to
This is a much better idea than the out-of-sight policy because it might
keep students to a drink minimum because they cannot drink a lot of
expensive alcohol.
If people want to drink they will find ways of doing so. It has been
something college age kids have done for as long as most people can
remember.
People that want to drink will pay.
No because people are 9oing to obtain liquor in other ways... possibly by
getting fake I.D .'s or partying at houses rather than at the bars.
Personally I prefer the bars because there's always someone there regulating
the situations at hand.
Because students will be more likely to want to spend only a cedain
amount of money when they drink. Therefore, they will spend less every
time they go out or they will go out less.
find ways around it
People will pay what they must...
To a certain extent. Kids who are not dangerous drinkers, or not yet
dangerous drinkers, might be less inclined to spend a higher amount of
money. Regular dangerous drinkers will probably not be too bothered by
higher prices because they will want to continue drinking.
Students will just drink in their rooms or at house parties. There is
much less drinking taking place at bars than at house parties. And a
transfer to house parties will result in less money made by the city and
bars.
The people that go out to drink will find the money to buy the drinks. I
think that this town sucks enough money out of people. Why do more to
deter people from coming to the town and university.
Because students are still going to find ways to drink.
behaviors and attitudes towards drinking need to be changed. Changing
drink prices or limiting out of sight alcohol sales is not the total
answer here. It's about education; and that education has to be done
before students come to the University (in high school and with their
parents) and after they arrive here.
I feel that if this does happen drinks will then be even more over priced
then they already are, bar patrons will then drink beforehand at house
padies where they are not in a controlled setting, which then could cause
even more problems. Drink specials attracts patrons only to a certain
extent, its nice to have but mostly these specials are on weeknights, with
regard to Thursdays and most students do most of there "bar hopping" on
Friday and Saturday nights, therefore drink specials shouldn't be banned
because you are not only hurting the business but also those that are 21
years of age. By setting a mininum price for bars takes away each
businesses right to attract customers in special ways. This is the whole
point of a business, to compete and see who can offer the best deals and
make the most money. Drink prices are already high, even with the
specials offered and adding a minimum price on top of a cover charge
would, I think. decrease the night life in Iowa City's downtown area
greatly and cause some to go out of business. Then house parties will
become more prevalant and more irresponsible drinking will occur because
its cheap compared to bars and easier accessible.
If people want to drink, they'll find a way
Any city council laws affecting Iowa City bars would discourage students
from going to bars, which would lead to more house parties and drinking in
campus housing. This would be more dangerous in the long run because
activity would not be in a controlled environment. There would therefore
be an increase in drunk driving and dangerous behavior.
People don't care how much they spend...they complain, but they continue
to spend money.
If the people want to drink they will, Not all that much will stop the
person once they put their mind to it.
If people cannot get alochol in a bar then they'll go to a house party and
get it there.
This will not eliminate the problem, but it will decrease the amount of
underage drinkers at the bars, and thus citations for underage drinkers
will go down as fewer students walk back to the dotins drunk. But the
problem will still exist, just in different venues.
All this will do is change the location of where students drink. I can
tell you from personal experience I drink a lot more at parties than at
the bars. At parties a cup is $3, at the bars there's usually a cover
charge plus drinks that range anywher form $3-$5.
They will find other ways to get alcohol.
with or without drink specials, drinking at the bars is expensive. (much
more so than a $4 cup at a house party) people that are going to drink toe
much at the bars will do so anyway - if they can't control they're
consumption of alcohol, chances are they aren't much better with a bank
account.
People drink because they want to drink. not because of the price of
alcohol! If that were the case. everyone would drink pop because pop or
water is cheaper than alcohol. I don't believe that punishing the
general population of Iowa City by limiting price specials is fair OR will
work.
limiting specials won't help. Who actually goes to the bars for specials?
Not many people is what I would have to say.
Slightly, becuase college students only have so much $$, although again,
if they really want to drink that would only be slightly discouraging to
them.
it will only bring the income of the bars down- people will just drink
more in the dorms or houses
specials only save responsible drinkers money, they do not promote
students to drink more
If anything it will encourage underage drinkers to go to house padlos--an
unstructured environment. The police are more likely to show up at bars
than quiet house parties.
I frequent bars when there are no drink specials and still pay for alcohol
there. I don't believe setting a limit for prices on alcohol will
decrease or increase anything.
Students are not able to buy as much alcohol as they would like because
they don't have enough money for higher prices.
I think that there should be a limit on some of the promotions that go on
at the bars. However, I don't think that this will help very much
because those people that abuse alchohol tend to drink before coming to
the bars because it s cheaper and less risky.
People are going to drink and get drunk regardless
people are going to drink no matter what
The price will only be a slight deterrent. Those who want to drink will
not be affected by a price increase; especially minors.
People who plan on drinking to get drunk, will do so regardless of price.
All this does is puts an undue financial burden upon students the majority
of students who wish to drink legally and responsibly. Alcoholic
beverages in bars are already marked up by 200%. If price were a
effective deterrant, people would have drinks at home. The bars are a
social scene, something in which a small town like Iowa City lacks in
other meaures. We, as students, pay to go there and will continue to pay,
provided no alternatives exist.
Most people can afford to drink without the drink specials anyway. if
they can't, they may just limit their drinking to two or less than two
times a week.
People will still drink just not as noticably to the police
there will just be more house parties where people will drink even more
since itll cost 55 for a cup
There is not a dangerous level. If people want to get drunk they will
find a way.
kids are going to drink regardless
It may push alcohol consumption to other parts of town, i.e., apartments.
Younger students on a budget may not be as inclined to purchase alcohol
at bars at higher prices, but this may just increase the amount of
drinking in non-bar settings.
Actually yes and no. It will only decrease the level of dangerous drink
for those who cannot pay for it.
It always seems to me that college students are always bmke...until it's
time to go out. They find the money or take it away from their tuition
money. Raise the prices and you won't stop the drinking, but you will
increase their debt and decrease their chances of being financially viable
to return for another semester.
if people want to drink the small price increase is not going to stop
them. i am currently in a foreign country where alcohol is much more
expensive and people are drinking even more
The drinking in the bars may decrease. but the use of fake IDs and house
parties will rise dramatically.
Dangerous drinking will always happen. The bars are an open environment
with groundrules in which if you take it too far you are removed. In a
dorm situation the drinker is much more at risk because their are less
social restrictions on not going too far.
same
Many people go to bars on certain nights just because of the specials and
tend to take too much advantage of the cheap specials.
I think that peopae will drink no matter what, if it gets too expensive in
bars, people will drink a whole bunch before they go out and arrive at
bars already drunk.
Once again, creativity will most ~ikely come into play.
People are going to buy the drinks no matter how much they cost. If they
don't have enough money to do so, they will iust obtain the liquor from
other places. If people want to drink, they will find a way, and if they
are limited to do so in the bar scene then they will go somewhere off
campus to do it, possibly leading to more alcohol related accidents.
people will drink and many people will drink a lot. If someone wants to
get plotsed then they are going to one way or another. No limit on drink
specials is going to stop this.
People will drink before they go downtown. They will get intoxicated, and
then go downtown to enioy the social scene. That's what they do now, and
that's what will happen if prices are raised.
People are going to drink no matter what the cost is. If it's too
expensive in a bar, they'll iast drink some before they go too, so they
don't have to buy so much there.
People will iust get more drunk before going to the bars.
The only thing that these laws will bring is students realizing we are
living in a police state, and hopefully start to riot
It will only relocate where the drinkning takes place. Either way, I
don't think it will limit how much people drink overall. I feel the vast
majority of University students drink responsibly. Yes, they may drink to
get drunk, but that does not make them irresponsible if they do so in a
manner that does not hurt other people.
Making a change in the rules for the 10 percent that have terrible
drinking habits does not make sense. It is up to students in their
learning to be responsible citizens to make their own decisions.
Studennts will iust get more money and pay the bar fees, Otherwise they
will iust take their drinking elsewhere
prohibition didn't stop people from drinking. I went to UNI for my
bachelor's degree and they have a far worse drinking problem than U of I
Limiting the drink specials may curb dangerous drinking behaviour if there
was a problem with it but there isn't. As far as underage drinking, if
the underage drinkers think its too expensive at the bar they will get it
somewhere else. By passing these laws you just make it inconvenient for
people who are of age.
I truly believe that at some point financial penalities will outweight the
ability to binge drink.
Students will still drink just as much, if not more. They will just find
somwhere else to do it.
While it won't discourage most, those with less income and money will
simply go to unsupervised places to drink.
People will always drink if that is what they want to do.
if people want to drink, they still will, even if it does cost a litlie
bit more
Those who want to drink will spend the necessary money, again either at
the bar or elsewhere.
Once again, when I have the intent to drink- I will drink. No matter what
the cost, people will pay.
Students will find other places to drink--a bar offers more of a safe and
watched place.
i believe most of the dangerous drinking happens outside of the bars
If students want to drink, they will, no matter the cost.
b/c by limiting specials they will only go to other bars to drink.
setting a minimum price will not affect most students. if they can afford
to go to UI, they can afford to drink. many come from wealthy families
I think that students will still drink, but maybe not as much as they used
to if drinks cost more.
It may prevent some people from drinking heavily at bars but I think that
fixing prices for private businesses is irresponsible legislation.
People like cheap beer. It may not be worth their money to spend more to
get drunk.
As I said before, people will drink more before they go to the bars. The
Iowa City Council is being naive if it believes that we get the majority
of our liq0ur from the bars, its just too expensive even with drink
specials. If people are going to drink dangerously, they are going to do
it whether or not they can get it at the bars or if it costs more. Why
punish those who do drink legally and responsibly for the irresponsibility
of those who cannot control themselves?
People are always going to drink... there are always going to be ways to
get it. The council is taking the wrong steps toward limiting dangerous
behavior.
if people want to drink they will.
if they get rid of the specials less people will go to the bars and the
bars will lose money
People think twice about spending more $
Alcohol at a convience store is Cheaper than a bar, so people would drink
more before goin9 out to the bars.
A majority of people that drink here simply do so because they have too
much money. Mommy and Daddy pay for their education, so these people can
lie and say the price of books or supplies went up. Bingo! More money for
the increased alcohol prices.
Bars in Iowa shoulld run like businesses and the expense shouldn't be
passed on the consumer to limit the prices of drinks
Most Iowa Citians that go to the bars have money to spend on liquor and
will buy drinks even if they are expensive. If someone doesn't have money
to get drunk at a bar and he or she wants to get drunk, it would still be
easy to buy a bottle and/or chug beer and drink at a party, where more
dangerous behaviors exist relative to a bar with bouncers.
People won't want to spend the money necessary to get as drunk.
More awareness, less laws. Until McDonalds is forced to stop
"super-sizing" and Pizza Hut stops sending me two-for-one coupons i will
not agree that small/local businesses should comply with laws that hinder
their sales. If you are considering the price of a cab in going out to the
bars and that many students cannot afford to spend yen/much at the bars,
then getting deals for drinks does not automatically equate getting
excessive amounts of drinks.
The price levels may provide some deterrent, but not enough of one to make
a significant impact. Underage drinkers may spend more for drinks...more
bang for their buck, so to speak.
students don't have a ton of money so maybe they will only drink what they
can afford
I think it will tone down the dangerous hinge drinking. Students wait for
the 5.00 drink all night specials to go out - then just BINGE on it. I
also think that students have limited access to funds. Very few have the
parents that will send them money whenever they want it - or have the jobs
that pay enough to support that kind of continuous drinking... but five
bucks? ANYONE can afford THAT! They need to knock it off - at least
downtown.
People will drink no matter what. The only thing prices might have to do
with it is reducing the number of hinges per week per student, if they
have very limited funds.
People who go to bars usually go because of the social enviornment, many
may pass up the opportunity to binge drink if the price of alcohol is put
at a premium.
People will just drink more before they go to the bar.
I think that would only limit the drinking at bars. Most likely it will
still go on other places
When authority sets limits, people always find a way to pass these and
stretch rules no matter what the problem is.
if people are drinking to get drunk, they will pay what ever it costs.
Yes and no, people can always go to parties which are even more
unregulated, However, some specials just can't be ignored, like All you
can drink night at Brothers.
There are other ways to get drunk... They are making it worst by making
prices high...If they want to drink, they will find money
personally think that lowering the drinking age to 18 or 19 would help
sotp binge drinking, It would become less of a forbidden privUdge.
Not everyone uses their head when they drink. A $5 all you can drink
special does not seem like paying for 2 beers to some people. Some
students may fell like they "have to get their money worth."
If alchohol is more expensive then people will not be encouraged to drink
as much as they could drink with lower alchohol sales.
Did the government tax on cigarettes work? No, and for the same reason,
artificially high prices for alcohol will have no effect but to make the
industry more lucrative for the bar-owners, This solution attacks a
symptom of the disease, not the disease itself.
It will just cost more to drink, but won't effect the amount people drink.
Many people will end up drinking before hand, which is cheaper and then go
to bars, therefore it doesn't stop drinking at all.
I think they will, but not by much.
These programs only make it harder on the pocket book, and imply do not
directly affect the situation if some one wants to get smashed out of
their mind they are going to do it.
it will only make it harder for legal students such as myself to enjoy the
company of friends no more ordering a pitcher for your buddies
I think the problem will just be transferred to less regulated places such
as house padies and off-campus. More people will be having parties and
other problems will then arise.
people will drink regardless
People WHo wish to drink will drink anyway, What these laws do is push
people into buying their own alcohol and drinking at home or at friends
homes wish increases the amount that they consume.
Again, the students will have to spend more money and probably will be
less likely to drink as much.
people will just go to parties
Specials do not promote binge drinking-lack of knowledge and peer pressure
do. Contrary to oe of the councilmaWs belief a drink special is not like
a buffet where people will overserve themselves. College students are not
like fish who over eat themselves to death. People can judge how much they
have had but some choose not to act on it.
It will only increase house and apt. gatherings and they are much more
dangerous.
most students don't have much money to begin with- they won't want to
spend more
See above, The national law of having the drinking age at 21 has not
stoppped or decreased any drinking, I don't think any Iowa City law will
stop/decrease it.
STudents will just consume more alcohol before going to the bars.
I would think most problem drinkers would not be swayed to not drink
simply because they would spend ten dollars (or whatever the amount) more
when they go out.
because the drinking scene will just turn from the bars to house parlies
where police have even less of a chance of controlling excessive drinking
the price of a drink has no factor what so ever on how much i drink. if
the cost of drinking at the bar becomes to pricey i think that you will
find that most u of i students are smart enough to pro-game before the
head downtown so that they can achieve the level of intoxication that they
desire w/out having to pay the high prices associated w/dowtown
Alcohol is an inelastic good for college students. People will just spend
more of their tuition money, no matter what the price.
People who pay outrageous cover to get into bars now will be able to
afford expensive drinks. The same people will be going to the bars and
drinking the same amount. This may increase the number of parties in
apartments and in houses rented by college students.
Students will still buy alcohol....what make the city think that more
expensive drinks will curb drinking? It will just take more out of
already tight student budgets
Underage students will stop going to bars and go to house parties. These
parties are in an uncontrolled atmosphere which can be very dangerous to
students. At least in a bar there is some difficulty in buying a drink if
you are underage, at a party no one cares. Also, a law such as this would
only decrease the amount of revenue going into the Iowa City community,
instead of the bars making money it will be John Doe at his house party
earning the cash. If a bar would charge $5 for a drink, students would
rather go to a party where $5 at the door would mean all the alcohol they
could drink. If a minimum price were established in Iowa City, it MUST be
a standard at all bars in this community, not just bars which college
students frequent, which I cannot see iowa City residents being too happy
about.
that will just be making the bars more of a money making business
It seems that most students who are out to drink will do so by virtually
any means- so they will accumulate the money somehow'p
People will do so even more privately where there are fewer controls
It might. If beer were free, you might be more likely to drink it because
there is little imminent cost. Personally, it wouldn't change my
behavior, but I know a lot of people would drink more if it costs less.
If students want to drink, they will. They will be more likely to drink
before going to the bars so they won't need to buy as many drinks.
It may limit the amount. I know that for myself I like to hit the bars
with the good specials. As far as it limiting underage, if they are going
to drink, they will find a way to do it.
People will still spend the money they will just put more money into the
hands of bar owners. People will just drink more before going out to the
bars.
Students wiJI probably pay whatever they have to, or start having house
parties where alcohol will be cheaper or students will bring their own.
Same as above.
Might help a little because people can't afford to buy as much alcohol,
but there will still be a problem.
Students will drink regardless what happens in the bars, if they limit the
availbility of obtaining alcohol in the bar, the will just go to a house
party.
Again, eveNone is 21 or knows someone who is. This will not stop people
from drinking alcohol. The only way to prevent people from drinking, is
starting young. For example, keeping and reinstating the DARE program in
elementary schools.
Those who want to drink will find the money and oppertunity to drink.
NO, this just means that we will have to pay more to drink. And people
who want to get drunk, will still get drunk, but now they won't take a cab
home because they can't afford it, now they will drive home.
People will not go to the bars if the drinks are too expensive, instead
thay will go to parties and drink even more because they don't have to pay
to refill their cup.
If someone wants to drink, they will be able to do it. Whether at a bar or
a friends house.
People are gonna pay whatever price they have to.
Students here who want to drink will regardless of
financial incentives.
People will go other places to consume alcohol.
Underage people who want alcohol will pay any price.
Once again, most students that are going out to the bars frequently won't
care if the price goes up. They're still still going to get the drinks
and have a good time.
people that go out on nights that there are no specials, or to bars that
don't have specials drink just as much as when they are at bars with
specials. They just have to pay more.
cheap prices encourage more drinking, especially for students who often
have a limited budget to spend.
It is ridiculous to not allow young adults of legal age to buy drinks for
each other. Specials save students money.
It should help decrease binge drinking, because it removes the incentive
to drink as much as possible for as little as possible. But it won't help
the underage drinking issue.
when you are under age, it dosen't matter what the cost is. it just makes
it so you can't afford other stuff but you still drink
The higher prices may cause people to buy one or two less drinks, but they
will still be drinking obsene amounts of alcohol.
I don't know to what extent, but I think that the number of drinks a
person purchases at a bar will decrease if there aren't certain drinking
specials, Everyone knows that a good portion of college students are
poor, so they won't have the money to buy a ton of drinks at the bar.
No, then you will just be giving the bars more revenue to advertise even
more to the students while making students angry and drunk instead of just
drunk!
People have too much purchasing power
First of all, I oppose this because it's a violation of free entreprise.
Secondly, this will lead to more alcohol being purchased at grocery stores
and less in bars.
If specials were limited then you're ruining everything for those who are
of age.
Nearly every freshman and sophomore has older friends who are willing to
buy their equally intelligent, experienced friends the same thing they are
buying for themselves: alcohol. The major problem with binge drinking in
Iowa City has little to do with the age limit. There is a serious lack of
alternative activities for college students, pa~icularly those freshman
and sophomores who live on campus and do not own vehicles. Equally
non-existent are adequate and effective treatment programs for alcohol
abusers. Criminalizing alcohol consumption for one person aged six months
younger than his friend does NOTHING to stop that 20 year old from going
out to the bars next weekend. The system in place for punishing and
"rehabilitating" alohohol abusers is illogical, and that is why it simply
doesn't work.
Same reason as above it will not solve the problem of underage drinking.
Same reason as above. If you want to help the underage drinkers, trying
to stop them won't help, Educate them on drinking safely.
People will throw more parties or binge drink at home then go to the bars
resulting in probably a larger drinking problem and the lost tax revenue
generated by Iowa City will be forced to come out of my pocket so leave
the scene alone.
Even if the the city gets rid of price specials on alcohol at the bars,
people will find ways around it. For example, they can get drunk at their
homes then drive to the bars, which increases drunk driving. The best way
to stop underage drinking is no way at all,
I think that the Council should worry more about the reasons behind people
binge drinking and less about price specials. Raising drink prices will
only cause people to may more to get drunk, it will not stop people from
participating in drinking. Students will always find a way to drink when
other activities are not available to participate in.
Unless the price was set really high, students will still pay that extra
premimum to enjoy, what for some is a legal activity.
The only people who won't want to pay more will be 21 year olds and up.
cheap drinks encourage irresponsible drinking
If the bars get really expensive, people will start buying beer at the
convience store and get drunk before the bar. and some people here have a
lot of money so that does really matter
Same as the last answer. All this mandate is going to succeed in doing is
making students drink more before or after they are at the bar, or spend
more money. Everyone will still be just as drunk, beleive me.
People are going to drink if they want.
No, if students want to drink then they will no matter if it's cheaper to
just pick up a twelve pack or go to the bars.
see above response
i know that i personally would not be affected by such actions. as stated
before, it would be even easier to drink in private residences and those
places do not have the control or safety that can be enforced in a bar
scene
Kids in Iowa City are going to drink, getting rid of greek parties put a
financial strain on the student (55 at a frat party or 505 downtown on a
given night)and getting rid of drink specials will just make the student
pay more, he or she will still drink, dont kid yourself
Price specials do not have a material effect on the amount of alchohol
students consume.
Also, if the prices at bars for drinks are too
high, people will just find cheap booze and drink before they go downtown.
People will always find inexpensive ways to obtain liquor, They may
consume alcohol before they reach the bars and still drink at bars but
spend less money because they have already been drinking at home. People
are goin9 to drink as much as they want no matter how the city tries to
delegate it. The city has no right to decide how many drinks i can buy
when i go up to the bar. A person of legal drinking age has the right to
go up to the bar and buy as many drinks he/she chooses.
The businesses will either re-word the specials or increase the volume per
dollar
More people will just find it more cost effective to go drink in the dorms
or at peoples houses
People will just drink at home if it gets too expensive to drink at the
bars.
students will pay the price no matter the cost
All this will do is effect those of us who enjoy happy hour b/c of the low
prices, people will drink no matter what the cost, for them it is the
"cool" thing to do
Only the limit on drinks bought would help decrease underage drinking.
Even that can be avoided, and is hard to enforce.
Again price really doesn't make a huge difference
When you are out drinking money is no object. Kids do stupid things and
making it more expensive is only going to make it a bigger profit for the
bar owners. Speacals should be kept in place. The only was to curb
underage drinking in a bar setting is to card everytime someone purchases
alcohol.
Student will find other places to drink,
most students that go drinking can do so because they have plenty of
money, adiusting prices will make the bars more money.... who actually
asks how much drinks cost?!?
If people want to drink to much money will not be an issue.
no, we wil~ drink even if it is expensive but, which will suck, but
drinking specials do not influence my decision to drink either way.
Underage drinkers don't care how much they spend at the bars. That's what
student loans are for.
All that does is punish the bar owners. If people want to get alcohol then
they will get it, at any price.
Mostly no-people will then probably resort to house parties and there
could be a lot more drunk driving.
Those who choose to drink, will drink either way. I don't seem to think
that people are all that dangerous, but by limiting specials, students
will search for other forms of cheaper alcohol. For example, house
parties where generally a person pays five dollars for a cup and as much
beer as they can drink. Those pa~ies are far more dangerous than any bar
that I have ever been in.
although drink specials may draw an extra crowd to a certain bar- it is
hardly the reason for dangerous or underage drinking. It's like shopping-
people are attracted to sales, but if there are none- they will still go
to the mall,
they will help only to a certain extent. but again people should be made
more aware of the problems associated with drinking.
It will just make people angry that they have to pay more for drinks, so a
possiblity is that students will "pre-party" more, and then go to the bars
c~runk or much closer to being so
I do believe that many students drink more because it is cheaper at
cer~ian times, however it will not in any way prevent underaged drinking.
If anything, it will increase the dangerous ~evel of drinking. By drinking
in a public place, students are in a safer environment then drinking out
in the country, at an apartment party, in some bizarre location. Further,
what will really happen is peopel will iust binge drink before going out
to the bars.
Again, kids are going to do it, no matter what the cost.
house parties will increase drastically and it will cause more vandalism
due to house parties in residential areas
Students want to drink, they will do it whether the specials go or stay.
If they can't drink at the bars, they will just get their alcohol other
places
All that will do is make more money for the bars because kids are going to
drink whether it costs 1 dollar for a drink or $4
it will make it more dangerous, females are safer drinking in public then
at private parties. a reletivily localized area of consumption lowers the
potential for drunk driving
It is unfair to those who are 21 and the underage people will find a way
to get the drinks no matter what price they are.
Most college students are broke and if they don't have a bar to frequent
with a bunch of "specials" the less likely they are going to go there in
the first place.
If person wants to drink to excess, the cost will not influence them or
stop them from doing so.
People right now for the most part consume enough alcohol before going to
the bar so they do not have to waste their money there. Minimum price
will just increase the outside of bar consumption.
as individuals who like to drink, us college students will drink when ever
and however much we want to to. Limiting drink specials and making it more
expensive will not lower the amount of alcohol consumed. rather it will
our social lives more expensive and make more money for the bar owners.
This is will also encourage more house parties. As we al know, going down
town to a some what contolled situation in bars is a lot safer then
walking all over town to find random house parties where there are no
regulations and no safety percausions.
If the students want to get drunk, they are willing to pay more money for
drinks if they have to. Setting minimum prices for drinks might
discourage some from drinking so much, but the majority of students will
pay the higher price or buy alcohol from somewhere else other than the
bar.
I think that when you are underage, you would pay almost anything to get
alcohol. It is all about getting the alcohol, not how cheap you can get
it. Being at a legal drinking age, I will be discouraged from going to
the bars because I won't be able to afford to buy any drinks.
I feel that limiting specials or setting minimum prices for drinks again
will hur~ more the legal/responsible patrons of bars, many of whom are
college students, and like myself dont have unlimited sources of money.
People who are out to get wasted and act stupid will do so no matter how
much it costs, those just looking for a good social activity already have
to pay cover charges and now may have to pay even more for an evening out
with friends on the town.
Money is less of a problem than jail time or fines. Two dollars will not
make someone who wants to drink decide not to.
If people want to get "wasted" they will. Laws aren't going to change
that. That's the problem here. The Iowa City council feels that laws are
the answer. The way to fix a social problem stads with the individual
not with laws.
because drink specials don't affect students' decision to achieve their
desired level of intoxication. If someone plans to get drunk, they will
get drunk, special or no special.
People who are going to drink irresponsibly are going to do so whether it
is illegal or not.
Perhaps initially, but what needs to happen is that underage people need
to NOT get in to the bars. Drinking is legal and those of us above the
age limit shouldn't be punished for the irresponsibility of others.
It will force students to drink in private areas, which is considerably
more dangerous than an underage drinker possibly having access to alcohol
at a public venue. Also, bars often control the amount of alcohol a
certain person has, and in attempting to "control the control", many
people will drink in more secluded, un-controlled areas.
if you want to drink you will
The bars are a much more controlled environment to drink in, and if the
bars are off limits to a majority of students, they won't quit drinking,
rather drink at house parties, which are much more unsafe and prone to
sexual assaults and fights, rather than having bouncers and police
officers to keep order and safety.
No, this is the most asinine idea they could have come up with.
Essentially, it punishes everyone over 21 with higher prices and will
eventually affect the income of the bars when less people go out and go to
house parties instead.
1. Students will still be able to drink at home / parties / other
unsupervised places. 2. Minimum prices just penalize everyone's wallet
without doing anything.
Either way people will drink reguardless.
i feel that people are going to drink no matter what the special. If
people want to get drunk, whether they are of- or under-age, then that is
what they are going to do. A limiting of price specials or a minimum
price of drinks will not decrease this in any way. people can buy alcohol
in the grocery stores and in gas stations. It is just as cheap, if not
much cheaper to do that anyway.
Probably somewhat, but people will find a way to get alcohol if they wish.
People come to college to drink. That is a social desire that is
ingrained in students long before they come to Iowa City. First of all,
there is nothing wrong with it other than the baseless claims outlined by
the parternalistic administration and city council. Secondly, kids are
going to drink while in college somewhere. You can either have them do it
in bars or at houseparties and in the dorms. By the way the dotins, frats,
and sororities are DRY only in theory, not in practice. Is the so called
"drinking problem" better now than it was when the drinking age was 197
If it is "out of control" now as so many like to say, then making it
harder to drink at the age of 19 certainly has not been effective in the
past so why would making it even harder now be effective? There is no
BASIS for the council's proposed plan.
The alcohol will be available by other means, such as liquor sales.
same reason as above.
while price specials do promote drinking, i believe that most of the
people will drink regardless of price specials,
A binge drinker is a binge drinker.
Students will continue to drink, and will pay almost any price to continue
consuming alcohol in local bars. Some students will stop going to bars and
instead will drink alcohol in private homes where it will be even more
difficult to combat underage drinking.
All it will do is drive the beer to house parties. At least in a bar the
staff can somewhat monitor their patrons.
People are still going to drink, Regardless of whether you limit specials
or set a minimum price, you are just causing students to spend their
financial aid a little less responsibly.
People who want to get drunk will spend the money to do it, no matter how
much it is.
Regulating prices will just hurt the bar owners and take money away from
downtown Iowa City. We have a fun and unique downtown area and I would
hate to see it ruined just because a group of people think that the
students are harming themselves by consuming alcohol.
Students will pay whatever price they have to if they really want to
drink.
No because then people will just start throwing tons of house parties and
that presents more problems. 1) the panic is widespread. Whenthe bars get
out everyone is right there in the Ped Mall, The cops could totally go to
town with tickets if they wanted to. With house parties they have to find
them first and then there is more of a chance for drunk driving. 2) Bars
are in a sense controlled atmospheres. There are bartenders to cut people
off and bouncers to kick people out. At house parties its drink all you
can and as long as you don't break anything most people don't care if
there is a fight. Bars are actuallyhelping a little. Either that or all
the people living in dorms would drink there. And that would casue a lot
of people to get ina lot of trouble. From RA's to student's.
Nothing that you do is going to stop it. House parties will begin to
thrive and then the residents of Iowa City will begin to be irritated.
College studetns will still drink alchol no matter the price or the
location, the Council shoul difguro that out
I think it is ridiculous to limit price specials and/or set a minimum
price; these actions will only burden those of age who already struggle
with larger financial needs and enjoy only a few drinks a week,
Students will drink more at a par~y due to a one time fee for alcohol.
Instead of paying 2 buck for each drink, they can pay 2-5 bucks and
getting totally sloppy and have no control. The bars, whether or not
there are specials, are still much more expensive and limiting than if
they were unavailable to minors,
If kids want to drink, they will find a way.
If you're just concerned with drinking at the bars then yes, But students
will always find alternatives to drink such as drinking more/pre partying
before they go out or just have 'house parties'.
College students are poor...simple as that. Making alcohol more expensive
means that they can't drink as much of it.
Although I strongly disagree with drinking as a practice in general, I
dont believe that the ICC's actions will decrease the level of dangerous
drinking. That is not to say that underage drinking should be condoned,it
just will not be stopped through the actions the ICC took.
Most students I know that drink would be able to regardless of higher
prices and drink limits. They are not short on available money.
Students will find other ways to get alcohol. Limiting pdce specials or
setting prices for drinks is not going to help because it could possibly
make those students who are 21 not frequent the bars as often and sales
would decrease possibly putting them out of business in the long run.
People will still find other places to drink illegally. Also, limiting
price specials and/or setting a minimum price for drinks 'punishes' legal
age drinkers and should not be put into effect.
If the prices are raised in the bars, then people will just get more drunk
before they go to the bars, that way they won't have to drink as much once
they're in the bars.
Because there is VERY little to do in this town late at night other than
the bars! Provide something else FUN, especially within walking distance
for students to do late at night and on weekends.
it will be much more expensive to drink
1 ) Because students will just a)spend more or b)drink something cheaper.
2) Because it is unconstitutional and will be voided soon after enacted.
cost doesn't matter if you really want it
If a person wants a drink they will buy it regardless of the price.
It will not limit underage drinking but it will limit binge drinking
because it costs too much money without the specials to get really drunk.
NO, because for me personally, price is not the issue.
People will drink regardless. The threat of a fine doesn't stop them.
Such actions would punish responsible and irresponsible drinkers alike.
People are basically willing to spend money to drink. Specials are just
seen as an added bonus. When it comes down to it, people will still drink
the same.
Its a very good idea. Sometimes I think bars don't care about how much a
person drinks, but rather how much money they make and more drinks equalIs
more money. Its Sad.
Students will drink how much they want to drink, regardless of cost.
People will go to padies and buy kegs which will increase overall
consumption
No. More off campus parties wilt occur.
I think that dangerous drinking behavior occurs most in the dorms or at
house padies where students don't have to worry about running out of
money, having to walk home, or running into Public Safety. Price setting
at the bars will only punish students who are choosing a safe atmosphere
to consume alcohol.
people will drink no matter the cost. They will either stay downtown if
the prices remain the same, or they will find parties causing themselves
and others danger.
It is cheaper for most students to drink before the bars on their own than
pay bar prices. So, I feel that setting a price floor would not stop
students from purchasing alcohol at the bars, because most students do not
buy more than a drink or two at the actual bar.
Usually on Friday and Saturday nights there are no deals and that is when
most people are the most drunk, Usually deals are given during the week
and that is when I drink the less and maybe will go out for only 1 or 2
drinks just because they are cheap.
Students will find a way to drink regardless of what the Iowa City Council
decides to do.
Just cost more money to do anything in an already high priced town.
Its just going to move the partying out of bars and to off-campus houses,
angering residents.
Students are cheap!
People will drink more beffore they go out
Once again, house parties still will exist and they'll now be cheaper.
If students want to drink, they are going to any way. If not at the bars,
then at houses, at apartments, at dorms.
i don't care how much it costs, it is all about being young and having
fun.
This may decrease the amount of BAR sales, but the students (believe it or
not) are not dumb. They'll just drink more before they go to the bars.
In the end, they get just as much alcohol.
It's just like raising cigarette prices won't keep underage teenagers from
smoking, they just deal with it.
This idea is a desperate attempt by City Council to control something they
can never, and will never control. The problem is not the cost or number
of sales of alcohol. The problem lies in the hands of those would choose
to abuse the privilge of going downtown and enjoying time with friends.
This includes both underage drinkers and those 21 and over
because if someone wants to it is easy to get drinks. More house parties
will begin. At the bars students are also somewhat watched unlike at
house parties. Enacting these laws will make students argery and they
will want to start to drink more just to rebel.
I know myself personally and my friends will pay extremely high rates for
drinks. When we're in the mood to drink, a few extra dollars is not going
to make a difference to stop us.
If students want to drink they will find the money.
If people want it they will pay whatever they want to get it. you shouldnt
take privlages away from people who are 21 just because of underage
drinking. Minors will drink no matter what laws are in place, nothing will
stop that. Its just a fact of college
no, for the same reason above.
Dangerous drinking practices will just move further off campus and away
from the ped mall.
Problem drinkers will not balk at spending an extra $10-20. Also, not
everyone buys their own drinks.
Other specials are still allowed, and will continue to be used effectively
If somebody wants to drink an obscene amount of alcohol, they will do it
regardless of sanctions. And your typical underage student will still
find ways to drink, whether it be through house parties, or having people
of age buy for them.
it just means that when people drink they will have to pay more money that
could be used somewhere else
For people who drink alcohol has no price too high. People just pay for
it anyway and it will cause many more studnet loans to not be paid off.
Money is not much of an object when alcohol s involved.
They will simply piss off students, bar owners, and citizens who object to
illegal goverment control over businesses.
The amount of money college students have to pay for alcoholic drinks
definitely influences the amount of alcoholic beverages they will drink or
whether they will go to the bars at all,
It will help lower it, but again, students will find ways of obtaining the
alcohol.
Usually, when people are going out with the sole purpose of getting drunk,
they will take a large amount of money with them anyway. The city would
not be able to set a minimum price for things such as shoes at a shopping
mall, it is left up to the store to decide how much they want to charge,
just the same as it should be up to the bar owners to decide how much they
want to charge for drinks.
Has raising the price of cigarettes cut down on smoking? Absolutely not.
People will pay to get what they want.
This under minds the freedom of trade for businesses and is
unconstitutional.
everyone will go to parties
No, and maybe. The effects exactly are hard to predict but those you
regularly drink "dangerously" will continue to do so. VVny make the bars a
hard time for those you enjoy a drink once in a while. And for those who
go to local bars for shows to be hastled constantly by police and high
prices.
You can always get a drink
If someine is planning on drinking, they will. People wil~ just drink in
there dorm rooms or at house parties,
also, it will just mean that alcohol costs more, which will
just mean more revenue for the bars
Patrons will consume the alcohol in equal quanities regardless of the
price, also underage drinking will not be affected because older students
can always buy for them.
It'll just increase the amount of house parties because it'll be cheaper
to buy the alcohol at grocery stores.
people will just find another way to drink
As far as I know, the majority of students at Iowa are pretty "well off."
Meaning they can afford alcohol. On top ofthat, when you take away the
bar scene and take away that more controlled atmosphere (it is pretty
controlled with the policed there) then you allow the house party scene to
increase. House parties can have more drug use and there is less chance
for a police bust. Drugs or alcohol? Which is worse?
People will continue to get alcohol, legal or not, no matter what.
I believe that drink specials probably increase the amount an individual
drinks on a given night. On the other hand, I believe that alcohol
consumption in bars is generally more regulated (there are more
"authorities," like bouncers, around, who can check IDs, diffuse
confrontations, and possibly even refuse to sell to an intoxicated
customer) than drinking at a private party. I do not support the idea of
"minimum pricing," on the grounds that it seems a little too regulatory.
Any move to limit ddnking in bars may well have the effect of increasing
the amount of off-campus, private parties. This was the pattern at Iowa
State. Alcohol purchased for private parties is always cheaper than
alcohol in a bar, even with drink specials. I believe the City Council
should be careful not to overly restrict access to bars. The drinking will
continue off-campus in private residences. The Iowa State campus and Ames
are more decentralized, and bars limited access (1988-1992 timeframe) to
21 and over, which led to the very common practice of off-campus private
parties, with the problems of noise in residential areas and completely
unregulated drinking (short of the police breaking up the party).
Money is not an issue when most students drink. Even if they don't go to
the bar it is cheap to go to parties where it is easier to get drunk.
If people do not rely on the bars as their source of entertainment they
will go elsewhere that is cheaper. People will go to house parties where
they can get an almost unlimited amount of alcohol for $5. A lot of
people do not go to the bars to get drunk. they go there to be with their
friends and have a good time. The only other option for students are
private parties. People are more ept to drinking more dangerously at
these places than in the bars where someone (bartenders, security) will
look out for their safety.
Like I said earlier, it won't matter how much you wantt o charge for the
drink, the underage person will still want it and pay any price for it. I
have been bribed by underagers to purchase alcohol for them, they have
offered me $20 to buy them a 12 pack and I could keep the rest. If they
want to drink they will, same as sex, drugs, and smoking.
This could have some effect on the amount of alcohol consumed simply
because kids will not boahie to afford to drink. But it also raises the
question of fairness to the bar and once again the harder it is to drink
in the bar the more kids will drink a home with little or no supervision.
That is too simple of a solution to make a large difference. I don't
think that limiting specials will make a large impact. People will still
shell out the extra money to buy alcohol,
Has increasing the price of cigarettes led to a reduction in smoking? If
anything it will encourage hinge drinking. I, being over 21, will just
drink more before 9oing to the bars so I won't have to pay as much.
However, the economic consequence on students will be severe.
All the drink special do is make the choice easy for the students as to
which bar they will go to for that night. Of course everyone wants to
save money, but it is not as if there were no drink specials people would
choose not to drink.
People will still pay for the alcohol.... it won't matter to that many
people if they don't have specials.
See answer above. There are people who like to drink and people who do
not, They will separate themselves naturally. Alcohol consumption and
abuse has been a problem throughout all of time. No legislation in our
contemporary society is going to change that.
People don't care because the majority of students here get their money
from their parents.
I have a set amount that I spend when going out-raise prices and I can't
buy as many drinks.
The only way to decrease underage drinking will be to raise the age of bar
entry to 21. Fewer students will have access to alcohol and engage in
alternative activities.
anyone can get alcohol. you do not have to be 21.
People will drink more before they go to the bars in order to save money.
Very little, probably not a noticable difference, though.
Because drinking is a part of college whether you want to admit it or not.
The laws that may be passed might decrease sales in the bars but it won't
stop students from getting it from other places... and they will get it
from other places.
If people want to drink to excess, they will. Cheap beer might attract
them, but if the masses want to get drunk, they're going to get drunk even
if they have to pay an extra dollar a pint.
because things like dollar shots and whatnots encourage people to drink
more, and get drunk faster and earlier in the evening so that by closing
time they are completely wasted. most young people don't know that if they
are drunk by seven pro, that means stop drinking; instead they think that
they have more time to keep drinking.
They will just buy it elsewhere.
Kids are going to drink whether there are specials or not. At the
previous institution I was at, all the bars were 21, it just made the kids
drink in their rooms or somewhere else
Again, if underage kids can get in, they'll still drink. Enacting more
laws won't stop it; more laws will simply hamper those who are at
non-student oriented bars legally. There is such a taboo on alcohol that
students are going to experiment. If the drinking age were lowered (or
done away with), and parents were willing allow their children to learn to
drink responsibly (ala in countries such as France), that would help with
later drinking problems more than anything. But enacting more laws making
alcohol harder to come by simply makes it more desirable to kids at an age
looking to rebel and distance themselves from their parents and childhood.
People, not me, are already paying $5-10 just to get in the door. Do you
really think that raising prices is going to affect how much they drink?
They'll just go to the bars one night a week instead of 3, but spend 3
times as much on that one night. Raising prices is just another way to
shake the money right out of the students pockets into the bars and the
town in general. Students are not some golden goose, flown in from
Chicago or Madison here to finance a town with very little industry except
for the college.
People will find someone to buy them alcohol at a store.
bars will just change the way they word or sell beverages, instead of two
for one, they will just make drinks bigger. Like i said before if you
want it, you will get it.
Due to limited budgets, college students may choose to consume less, but
this will not likely lead to an elimination of drinking.
all that does is make it more expensive to drink
I think it could cut back since most students are poor.
beer will always be $3.99 a 6-pack, and there will always be someone
willing to buy. This might defer sales from the bars, but net alcohol
consumption will be unaffected.
No, it will only Cause students to drink harder liquor in order to get
drunk within their budget. It will also be unfair to the patrons of bars
that are not included in this concerned group.
It is stupid parents that are giving the money to their kids and not
knowing what the money is going towards, All the students will do is ask
for more money from their parents. I don't think it really matters what
the price is, if they want to drink they are going to do it.
Students always find money to drink. The last thing we want is students
working more and studying less jn order to fund their binge nights.
You are just going to put students more into debt and they will just find
cheaper ways, such as drinking at home, and this only hurts the waiters
and waitresses and bartenders.
There are many students at the university, both those of age and those
underage do not pay for tuition, rent, etc. themselves. If they are
getting their money from their parents, they will not care how much a
ddnnk costs.
Because an increase in how much it costs to drink in bars would cause an
overall decrease of bar attendance, same as above: Bars often act as a
controlling source of alcohol. The fact that students are paying for each
individual drink and the amount of alcohol per drink is monitored,
dramatically reduces the chance of a student drinking too much too quickly
and dying or getting alcohol poisoning.
I believe that bar owners have the right to set their own prices and that
it is up to the consumer to choose to drink responsibly. You can't blame
the cost of alcohol for a person's irresponsibility, you can only blame
the person for their actions.
Perhaps in the actual bar because people aren't stupid._they'll just have
to booze longer and in more quantites BEFORE hand.
Most people do not drink because of drink specials, it might play a part
in where they drink but they will still go out even if there isn't any
drink specials
It will just make the bar owners richer than they already are by making
the kids pay more for what they are going to consume in one night anyway.
If prices are higher or specials are decreased then students will drink
more before going out and nothing will change, if not get worse.
If people want to drink they will, price isn't that big of a concern for a
lot of people.
people will drink more and more before they go to the bars, and wont buy
drinks, if they are that expensive, which will hurt downtown businesses.
Because the Iowa City Council is comprised of old farts who feel that
since they are too old to have fun, why should the young college students
be allowed to.
The bars are a great place to meet people and hang out, even if the prices
are raised or specials aren't advertised, students will still go there and
buy drinks.
If students want to drink badly enough, they are pretty much going to buy
drinks anyway despite cost increases.
No because bar tenders usually charge whatever price they want to anyway.
If you know the bartender you'll get cheap drinks whether there is
supposed to be a set price or not.
It will only make kids broke, they will buy the drinks no matter what the
cost to them is. It will also promote house parties which is even more un
controlled.
Parties are more dangerous and will clearly become the alternative to
bars.
they will find other ways to get it like before they go and it will just
hurt the bars more
these laws will only violate the rights of those over 21 years of age,
Again, see my answer above. I believe that setting price
requirements/laws will only encourage people (underage and those of legal
age) to attend house parties, which typically are conducive to excessive
alcohol consumption.
As stated before students will find other places to consume alcohol. In
many cases students will find places that are not supervised by sober
people, as bars are.
Far from it: it is easier to get more intoxicated at a house party: kegs
and $5 dollare all you can drink. The city is trying to stop fiat rates
for all you can drink, well they are all around us at keggem! They are
only a few blocks away.
It will just force people to spend more money on drinks.
I feel that this is not right. The university should not have the power
to tell a privately owned business what they can and cannot do.
It might decrease dangerous drinking levels because people will have less
of a reason to drink dangerously if some certain special is not so cheap -
people won't be starting out the night wiht the mindset of "1 can drink a
lot tonight b/c it is only x amount of dollars." But it won't decrease
underage drinking.
People go to the bars whether or not there are price specials. For
example, 21 pitchers for $21 on someone's 21st birthday is a nice special,
but if the bidhday girl/guy has a bunch of friends taking him/her out for
her birthday, they will all chip in so they can binge drink, even if there
aren't specials. Limiting specials won't limit binge drinking.
cause just drink before going to the bar and more people driving drunk
ALthough I drink on rare occasions only, every student I know, literoily,
primarily works over the summer to save money in order to spen that income
on going out (to the bars or parties) the next school year.
People will drink as much as they ever did...they'll just spend more
money.
if a person is focused on getting drunk they will. If that means drinking
more before they go out, then that's what they will do.
People will just buy more beer prior to going to the bar. Plus people
will continue to buy beer no matter what the price is.
First, what specials? AIchol prices at the bars here are outrageous
already!! Second, if drinks at bars get more expensive, students will
just go to parties more frequently. At a party you can spend 55 for all
the beer you want, and thus are more likely to binge drink. I know that
the few times I have gotten very drunk it was at a party, and not at the
bar.
Most people I know who drink dangerously do so in a palce outside the
bars. Students have connections to cheaper alcohol through friends over
age 21 who will go and buy it for them at the grocery store. These
"connections" are far more dangerous than the bars.
If it gets too expensive, people will find other ways to help balance out
the cost, by drinking before they go out, perhaps. The bars will lose
revenue, but at least the city council will feel good about themselves.
Prices have no bearing on why people drink. If students want to drink
they will pay the prices regardless of the circumstances. By limiting
prices or anything of that sor~ will just cause more house parties and
such, which in turn will cause a greater overall risk for students
involved. This is because at a house party there are absolutely no
limitations on how much you can drink. This is a dangerous consequence
because this type of activity is how people die of alcohol poisioning
because of irresponsible drinking. The issue of rape becomes a greater
possibility as well. When someone could slip a date rape drug in a
woman's drink and then carry/escort her to a single room in a given house
is a horrible thought, but these things happen and they are in fact
reality in some cases. By setting drinking prices or trying to control
how bars regulate the sale of alcohol could cause serious and dangerous
consequences for every party involved.
Two-for-one or all-you-can-drink specials encourage over-drinking
if a person wants to drink they are going to drink, no matter want the
price of the drink is. besides that most people go to the bars already
drunk ie~ they did it at home the bars are just places to keep that high
maintained
I think it will just encourage students to go to more house
parties-parties that are unsupervised and where "getting drunk" is the
main attraction.
Most people's parents pay for the colleger's life anyway. The parents
would be more upset having to pay more for their child's college life.
because college students are often rather strapped financially
For much the same reason as the previous question and I don't think it's
fair to punish the ones that drink responsibly but don't want to spend a
lot.
Most people, if they really want to drink, will do so regardless of the
price.
Students will be less anxious to spend money and will chose to get drunk
elsewhere.
I don't feel responsible legal drinkers should be punished for problems
caused by underage drinkers.
If you look at the amount of drinking that goes on you will notice that
price is not an issue. These students are using loan money and credit
cards, even their parents money to get alcohol. Limiting specials is not
going to do much. Money is clearly not an obstacle,
I think this will end up punishing all people who drink; not just those
who do so irresponsibly. Again, anyone who really wants to drink, underage
or not, will find a way.
i think the danger will still be the same, ,,it just won't be chaperoned by
bouncers
Students do not have a lot of money so having the drinks be more expensive
may help them at least drink less at a time or less often.
For the same reason I stated above. Students will pay either way and
unfair consequences will be brought upon those of legal age,
Now it will just become a more expensive addiction.
By making drinking excessively more expensive, I think we can decrease the
amount of alcohol Consumed on campus.
If students stop drinking at bars, they will move to house parties off
campus. This will create even more dangerous situations with less
supervision. There is no closing time at parties and no bouncers to break
up fights, etc.
People are going to drink no matter what. Thats why places that have no
specials still stay in business. You can control when people drink. It
wouldnt be such and issue of the council would stop making it one
If you're going to drink, you're going to drink
Kids aren't going to stop drinking...they will just find alternative ways
to do so,.. Driving to another city for example.
students will find a way to get alcohol no matter what happens. Most
students have friends that are 21
people will still drink just as much, but it will be harder on them
money-wise. They will still do it.
people only bring so much to the bar with them a night. If a 3 dollar
drink goes up to 5 dollors, people will not have enough money to drink
that much,
Students don't always care how much a drink costs-the Union charges $4 a
drink and it's one of the hottest bars.
Once again, people will drink somewhere else. They will travel to other
bars in other towns. You are only asking for more problems by doing this.
More house parties, more drugs, more vandalism, more sex, more rapes, more
everything .......
Prices have nothing to do with it, People will just be drinking more at
home.
Students will consume alcohol at home with friends if they want a cheap
drink.
People will still find ways to drink.
It won't have much of an effect except upsetting those who do drink
responsibly and drink in moderation but don't deserve to pay excessive
prices,
STUDENTS ARE WILLING TO PAY ANY PRICE FOR A DRtNK
The behavior will no longer be at the bar but instead out in the public
and also private residences
I don't know where the Iowa City Council gets off in t~ying to "play
parent" to all the supposedly alcoholic students in Iowa City. I guess we
aren't adult enough to make our own decisions,...so we can't really be
responsible for our actions, right? I am disgusted that this topic has
wasted so much time with the Iowa City Council, but I'm sure it's far from
over.
Students will just get drunk at their own places instead of the bars.
There are many ways around laws such as these,
If people are willing to pay as much as drinks cost now (which isn't
reasonable) they'll pay for them if they cost even more
People will simply start having parties,,.and then people will start
driving to the parties...and then people will die from Drunk Driving!
They'll still buy it anyway
I think it will becasue they can limit the amount of alcohol you can
purchase.
people will just drink before they go out and more house parties will
happen
If the bars are too expensive then the students are going to buy their own
alcohol, and drink before they go to the bar,
People will find alternative ways to drink.
I don't think price constitutes the choice of whether to drink or not, it
just constitutes the choice of what to drink.
NO! I think by pushing drinking out of bars it will increase the amount
of dangerous drinking behavior because students will still find ways to
drink and will probably have to travel farther to get alcohol since they
can't get it at the bars. They will walk to places or drive which will
cause more drunken driving and cause more intoxicated people to have to
walk home late at night which can be very dangerous when you are out of
sorts.
Drinkers will simply have less money to buy books. This is a place of
higher learning and although not the Tipple college of business that
doesn't sound like fair business practice if you mandate prices, Students
will purchase more potent drinks to achelye desired results of previous
weaker drinks.
People like to get drunk before they go so it doesn't cost as much. It
wouldnt' do anything. It may stop the social drinker, but not someone who
wants to get totally trashed.
This is an unfair law, it is not fair to those who are legal for one and
really it is a establishments choice on what specials to have. People will
drink with drink specials or not.
Drink specials are like a night at Old Country Buffet, you just can't
stop. It's a matter of economics, if you drink more, the cost per drink
goes down. So it is to the students' advantage to drink as much as
possible. Enough said.
No, all this will prevent open market competition and should not be
regulated.
The price doesn't matter to college students.
Limiting bars will just make more people drink in the dorms.
Of course, if you place laws that limit drinking, u would hope that it
would decrease the level of dangerous drinking behavior, otherwise why
would a law like that be implemented?
The dangerous drinking will be most likely occur prior to 'going out'. I
would drink more before I went downtown so I would not spend as much
money. I imagine house parties would become more popular with the underage
crowd if things were really tough downtown.
People will still buy alcohol at any price. The bar scene IS the social
aspect of college. Take that away and the amount of people that would
want to attend this school will decline.
possibly...I feel a large reason students are drawn to bars during the
week are te direct result of wel~ known drink specials. However, there js
still the question of whether or not "~egal" students should be punished.
The price isn't why people drink. If people want to shell out more for
alcohol, then they will. It's plain and simple.
As I said before, people who want to engage in this sort of activity will
find a way. It doesn't matter the venue, it will happen.
If students want to drink, they will. Most of the time, the price doesn't
really matter to them.
No, students will just get more intoxicated before going to the bars.
Also, getting rid of drink specials will only make more students poor, not
less likely to "binge" drink
It will drive students to drink at private parties which is more dangerous
because it is not monitored.
People will still spend their money and still get drunk be it at the bar
or at home. Limiting a bussiness's sales and specials is unconstitutional
and is what occurs in a socialist society. We are still a capitalist
society, right?
people may not drink as much, but if someone wants to get drunk or drink
underage, they are still going to do it
Money is no object to many drinkers-drinks are already expensive enough
and that doesn't seem to bother underagers.
People will just pre-party more and drink in their homes before going
downtown,
If people want to drink, they will degardless of drink specials etc.
I don't believe it is even in the jurisdiction of the City COuncil to have
any type of regulation over that. The more they force the bars to raise
their prices, the more the students will drink elsewhere before going to
the bar. The fact of the matter remains that a large majority of students
do not frequent the bars because of the high cost of drinnking out and
instead attend house and apartment parties.
If undersage drinking is allowed, it will be abused.
Students will pay the prices as long as the drinks are still available...
Students are going to drink no matter what.
If kids want to drink kids will drink.
I know of people who are completely willing to drop $3000 a semester on
going out and drinking. While such ordinances might make a difference for
some, for others who have made it their priority to get drunk, we'll have
to accept their decision and make the best of it.
Money is not a factor for so many of the students that you are targeting.
Their parents give them money, or they earn it at a job. It is the
decision or sacrifice that these people will make. They will drink on
weekends and eat crackers and Ramen noodles for the rest of the week.
Expensive or cheap, college students are going to drink
it's unfair to increase the prices for those of us who are 21 and over and
responsible drinkers, when there are PLENTY of other things that can be
done to decrease underage drinking
Because instead of going to the bars where there are a lot of patrons, and
bar personnel that are concerned with safety, people will go to house
parties to drink. No one checks ID's, and there are many places where a
girl can get cornered and raped in a house and no one would see. Also, no
one is overly concerned at a house party if someone passes out.
If large amounts of alcohol are not available legally, it will push
alcohol consumption away from downtown, to unsupervised house parties.
more house parties, including those at greek houses, more problems within
the res halls where the majority of underages drinkers live...
People will pregame in their rooms, then just have two or three drinks at
the bar to lower the cost.
The students will just cease from going to the bars, and start drinking
more at home, or in the neighborhoods around campus.
I think that it may help slightly but not enough to cause a noticeable
difference
because it will just piss us off and we will become more unresponsible for
what we do
There are two problems with this: One: It won't work. Nobody who I know
who drinks is ever dissuaded by the price of drinks. They laugh at this
idea. Most of them would rather drop their dorm meal plan than give up
drinking. Those who are broke will just find someone who is of age and
has an apartment. Two: The IC Council can't handle the responsibilities
they have now. They can't afford, from what I hear, to enforce this
policy anyway. They would have to raise taxes first, which is going to
make most people far more angry than having the bars downtown. Besides,
this is a free country anyway. We have far too many laws as it is.
Limiting the special won't affect any amount of drinking just the price
for drinking the same amount.
They won't stop students from drinking, they'll just cause them to spend
more money on it
Even though I do not comsume alcohol all that often, i still feel very
strongly that the city council should not be able to tell the bar owners
how much they can sell their alcohol for. That is regulating their
business!!
The sales are based on the idea of consuming large quantites of alchohol-
as if that's what's normal and even expected.
If it gets too expensive the drinking will move to house parties. House
parties are much more dangerous than bars, a higher occurence of sexual
assault and an unmonitored situation where fights, extreme binge drinking
etc.. are more likely to get out of control in my opinion.
It will not affect the level of drinking at the bars at all the only thing
that it will do is cost me more money in a night. It will probably cause a
lot of people to drink more before they go to the bars.
It might. However, it also smacks of state planning to the extreme.
People are going to drink no matter what the expense. Look at what people
pay just to get fake ID's
Because then people will stage more "house parties" which is an even less
controlled environment.
People will be less likely to spend the extra money.
house parties and other forms of unchecked drinking will be substituted,
bars are safer environment
All it will do is possibly make business owners upset because the
government is telling them how to run their businesses. If people want
alcohol, they will get it. The city council is doing this to save face
with parents and others, and to show that they're not soft on underage
drinking... It's really a political thing, not really much to do with us
students.. I say this as a resident of Iowa City ( I went to City High
and everything)
Drink specials are not the problem, its the people who give them to the
people.
We have the money!!!!! Oh well!!!!
THIS LAW WILL ONLY INCREASE HOUSE PARTIES, UNDERAGE DRINKING, AND FAKE
ID'S
Specials such as 21 pitchers for 21-year-olds simply equals hinge
drinking.
I don't think that limiting access or advedising to alcohol diminishes
its appeal. In fact I think it makes it more desirable. Drinking is an
adult thing to do. We are in such a rush to grow up and try things that
have been forbidden to us, that the appeal of alcohol is only stronger.
These limits are only making people go somewhere else to drink. At least
at the bars it can be regulated. People are going to house partys where
they will drink the same if not more because it is there and no one is
watching over how much they consume.
If students do not go out to the bars, they may have to drive to get to a
party. Afterwards, they may get back into the car and drive drunk. With
the bars as they are, most students can easily walk to and from the bar,
eliminating the driving hazard.
Students will find a way to drink, that will just decrease the amount of
business that bars get.
If people want to get drunk then they are going to get drunk, no matter
what the city council or the University do. By raising drink specials you
will just hurl downtown businesses because more people will drink at hoome
or at apartment parties.
The drinking will just move to somewhere else besides the bars.
No- people will always pay the price for alcohol. The cheaper price is
not the encouragement to drink, the fact that there is nothing else to do
in this town, is.
people will drink no matter, the specials are just an added bonus
No because many if the drink prices at bars increases, people will drink
more before they go out to the bar. That way they won't have to drink as
much at the bar, and they will save a little more money.
Same reason as above, unless you make this a dry county, the drinking will
go on.
People can still behave stupidly, they will get their own alcohol and then
go out to the bars, but they will just get drunk before hand.
rate at which an individual consumes alachol does not vary with the cost
of the product
The price of the alcohol is not what is causing people to drink. They are
drinking because they want to and almost all would be willing to pay a
higher price for the alcohol. Also, limiting the number of drinks one can
buy will not stop dangerous drinking because one can always go back to the
counter and purchase more drinks, or the waitresses will end up making
more trips.
i feel price is not a big issue when students drink at the bars-they will
pay to drink
it will have no effect
People in Iowa City do not tend to care what the price is to get drunk
(monetary or otherwise), they just do it.
Eliminating competition will do nothing to deture students from drinking.
This will only put bars out of business. Besides, the U.S. is supposed to
be based on Capitalism. If we regulate prices we are no different than
the communists overseas.
Because the activity will only move from the bars to house and dorm
rooms...kids will find a way.
i have witnessed that those who want to drink do. it doesn't matter what
it costs. I have seen people spend $80 in one night(granted they were
legal), and that is because drink prices are already high, it can cost
nearly $5 for one drink. that is insane. If you do raise the prices higher
then you will just have more people coming to the bars drunk. they will
drink at their apartment or a house party because it is cheaper.
Possibly, but probably not because again, people will find a way to buy
the alcohol
Because the bars are usually too expensive to get drunk at anyway. People
drink in their dorms or apartments with alocohol that they bought
elsewhere, and then they hit the bars to go dance and have fun.
People will drink anyways!
If they have to pay more at the bar for alcohol, they are just going to
drink at home before they go out.
People will drink if they want to. They just may not d it in a bar.
Bars will find other ways around the law to attract more business(eg
instead of "All you can drink," "15 beers for 10 dollars."
people will drink no matter what the cost
This might work because spending more money could be a turn-off to some
people.
People are going to do what they want to do, if it gets too expensive to
drink at the bars alternatives to drinking at the bars will surface
would still drink. People will pay $10 to get into bars. That's crazy.
So, of course they would pay if they had to.
This will encourage kids to attend more house and apartment parties, in
less stable and supervised environments.
The rules set forth for drink specials only make us pay more for the
alcohol. It is only punishing the law abiding adults that drink legally.
If people want to drink they will regardless of the price unless it is
extrordinarily high. They will just complain about it but not stop
I know a lot of people who only get rip-roaring drunk because irs cheap
when there's a special. They get it all out of the way on the one day of
the week that it's cheap. If it wasn't so inexpensive that one day, they
would not drink as much.
limiting the prices will not doing anything for the underagers because
many of their parents give them money, but the older students who have to
work will be affected. Limiting the # of drinks a person takes will
affect the underagers, but they will find another way.
When people begin drinking and they are drinking to get drunk, money no
longer becomes an issue. It's not until the next morning that the person
finally realizes how much money they have actually spent. From what I
have seen, there are as many severly intoxicated people at bars with drink
specials than at bars with really expensive drinks. Raising the price of
drinks would put a damper on those of-age drinkers who drink responsibly,
and like to save money doing it.
There is not enough for students to do. It's a favorite past time. These
law makers need to remember their younger yearsH!
If someone really wants to drink dangerously (or do so without realizing
such), they will. Many people I know drink heavily before even leaving
home, then more when they get to the bars.
First of all, telling businesses what price they can sell their product at
seems very un-American to me. Don't we live in a society that thrives on
capitalism? Also, restricting specials in the bars will force people to
consume alcoholic beverages at home or at house parties. This is even more
dangerous. At least when you're at a bar, there are bouncers to keep
people in line.
All the placement of laws will do is drive the drinking into the
neighborhoods around campus.
If people want to get drunk or drink they will somehow
People will pay whatever they have to to drink. Limiting drink specials
will not stop drinking, it will just frustrate people.
It will only move the problem away from the bars. It will be spread out
and less controllable.
People will still consume the same amount of drinks regardless of the
price. Setting a minimum price will also decrease competefion between bars
which is really bad for business and the economy of Iowa City.
once again, rather than going out and drinking i would just sit in my
house and drink more, and then go downtown later so i won't spend as much
money at the bar.
like stated before, it they want to drink, they will- they will always
find a way
All that will do is make the students drink more in the dorms. Also, when
you do become 21 you do not just have much more money than when you are
20.
People that are going to get drunk and fight are going to do it no matter
how much alcohol is. And underage drinkers are more responsible then some
of age drinkers due to the fact that they dont want to cause a scene and
get arrested.
i think this law could cause more drinking in dorms and houses. It will
only hurt the bars business and the community.
For the most pad, kids that are actually well-off enough to go out to the
bars and drink will not care about their degree of spending. They will
sacrifice other things to help supplement their drinking money.
i think that people are going to drink the same amount no matter what.
just because it's cheaper doesn't mean your body can handle more alcohol.
students know how to limit themselves.
Yes and no...It may discourage 'dangerous drinking behavior' but probably
will do little to curb underage drinking. I don't feel, though, that
setting price controls on drinks is an appropriate action for the city to
take.
I have observed many underage drinkers intoxicated before they even enter
a bar. There are too many other ways for them to drink and do it
dangerously. I don't think the Iowa City Council can do anything to
change that.
because people want to drink and will find a way to do it. If that means
house parties and getting alcohol at various other places, so be it.
Most underage drinkers don't pay attention to the specials. They are
still going to drink no matter what the price of alcohol. Limiting
out-of-sight sales hur~s those over 21 because they are the ones looking
for deals.
people are going to drink however much they want
People will just sell plasma more frequntly so they can purchase the
numebr of drinks they want.
People don't care about prices. They are looking to go out and have a
good time. There is no limit when you are tt'/ing to have a good time.
People will pay for it even if it is more expensive. It's not going to
make underage drinkers not drink, it's just going to make them poorer.
It will stop as much drinking at the bars, but not overall. People will
have their own parties where they will drink just as much for probably
cheaper which causes a much more uncontrolled environment.
Again, those specials are supposed to be targeted at people who are of
age. It really won't matter if those specials are taken away. Underage
drinking will still take place. It may be pointing out the obvious, but
people who are of age are much responsible drinkers. What a concept.
Those who desire to binge drink are for the most part, underage! The city
and campus needs to recognize just how easy it is for underage drinkers to
get their hands on alcohol!
People still drink even with the possiblity of a 150 dollar fine, paying
an extra quarter won't have any effect.
The majority of students who can afford to drink excessivly in the
downtown bars in the first place aern't going to mind paying more.
NO. It will also anger drinkers who are of age because the specials are
in place for them. It is not their responsibility to watch out for
underage drinkers.
I go out on Wednesday to get dollar drinks at the Airliner, But I ALSO go
out on Fridays and sometimes Saturdays. ~ pay for $4-$5 dollar drinks
then....price is IRRELEVANT to those intenting to go drink at the bar.
Limiting drink specials is not the answer.
If people want to drink they are going to drink. My friends sometiems
don't have enough money to drink, but somehow they manage to find some
more, and it will be the same way if you raise the prices and eliminate
specials.
People will drink more at their houses, dorms, etc. and then go to the
bars.
some people will find other ways to drink
It would only change the majority location of the drinking scene to houses
or apartments.
Same as above!!!!
more binging will just take place outside of bars - the price of a case
of beer will not change
Drink specials are always a big draw for heavy drinkers. While people like
my simply use them to save a few bucks, others use them to get more booze
for less.
i think it will increase student bankruptcy rate people are gonna drink,
deal with it
people who want to drink usually do so regardless of the price - if
they're really price conscious. they don't go to bars anyway -just drink
at home.
Students are just going to drink more before they go to tbe bars then.
But they will still pay the outrageous pdces at the bars for their
drinks.
I have never heard anyone say, "This drink is more expensive. I think
FII just quit drinking."
Some students will still pay for a regular drink price or drink before the
bars and not buy drinks at the bar
Because if the set a minimum price limit on drinks, then people will just
drink more before they go to the bars, which will in turn increase the
drunk drivers.
It is against the law to do so. Gas sations are barred from doing it
along with other companies. It won't take to long before the city ends up
in court of it.
i feel it is not the right of the city to set a price for a businesses
product because this is not mother russia
Again, I think this is going to cost the students extra money and make
them very upset. They will respond in ways that will deface the IC
community and the UI.
I have rarely heard of someone going to a bar and not drinking because of
expense.
A lot of people who drink on Wednesday and/or Thursday nights do so
because it is much cheaper than on the weekends. Personally, I have no
problem with price laws, the only proposed law that bothers me is limiting
alcohol purchases to one drink per bar visit per person.
It will just cost more for everyone to drink....not slow alcohol
consumption.
people are 9oing to buy the drinks no matter what they cost
people will go to parties even more, which is less safe than the bars
anyway
people drink a lot b/c its cheap.
If you want to do it,and have a problem your going to do it anyways!
People usaly stop drinking when they run out of money
Once again, there are other ways. When people go to any college, alcohol
is always on their minds-it's all about ther freedom. College students
are 9oing to do it ANYWAYS.
People won't feel like they have to get their money's worth during drink
specials
if you're gonna drink you're gonna drink, no matter the price,
For the underagers, they're at the bars for the thrill, the price won't
matter; for those of age, it will make their night out a bit more
expensive, but they'll still go.
because the city council is trying to impose on our right to make our own
decisions and i don't believe what they are doing. a lot of people feel
this way
I personally haven't noticed any change.
Even if the bars are abolished college, and i stress college, kids are
going to drink. Every college in America has undreage drinking.
I do not think that this law is fair to the businesses at all and as
always people will find ways of getting around it.
Because students will come up with the money to drink regardless of how
much it cost if they wantto drink bad enough.
No matter what the cost people are still going to drink and it might limit
the amount of times people go out, but their still will be that one or two
times a week that students go out and drink, probably more heavily.
most drink specials don't save the student enough money or make a big
enought difference in the price of alcohol to affect their habits
Those who want to drink irresponsibly will find a way to do so regardless.
people will be more inclined to drink to beat the system
Students will go to parties instead.
People who drink to excess are going to do so no matter what laws the city
passes. If they can't drink at bars, which is a reasonably contained and
well patroled area, then they will drink in the dorms, or in residential
areas. This would endanger residents of both these areas.
People will find new and probably less controlled atmospheres to drink in.
Students will still find a way to drink. If the bars get too expensive,
then they will move to house padies, which in my opinion are more
dangerous.
Unless you decrease these kids allowances or whatever type of money they
receive than there will always be a way.
Setting rules will not teach responsibility. That can only happen through
the people unclefaking such actions such as ddnking more than they can
handle. Staff the solution by staffing with the problem, not in a
roundabout manner that could negatively impact those students who go to
the bars to have a good time (even *gasp* without alcohol), not to get
completely plastered.
High prices haven't stopped students from buying Playstation 2, why would
it stop them from drinking?
We don't drink because there are specials at the bars, we drink to
socialize and have fun. Price settings won't change anything.
There will always be complaints about this. For smoking ad bans, there
are still complaints. If we stick to our guns and say that we don't want
the ads, and that there is a justified reason behind it, let's do it.
People are just going to drink at other places and in turn decrease the
prosperity of the local bars.
Most of the money making its way into the economy of such bars are from
the pockets of students parents.
Price isn't really a concern when people are spending sixty bucks a night
to have a good time (which I have seen).
People will find alternatives. Most people spend their parent's money or
use credit cards when they drink, so prices are somewhat irrelevant. and
if the the bars do become too expensive, house parties will take their
place.
It will cause people to drink more outside of bars, and most likely cause
them to drink more
For the same reasons as answered in question 7, underage drinkers will
find other resources for obtaining alcohol. If they cannot easily obtain
alochol from establishments, they will go to other places (grocery stores)
to get the alcohol.
If people want to drink they will drink, reducing specials will not stop
people from drinking.
Students will still consume the same only now they won't have money for
food and gas while the local businesses make a killing selling price
inflated alcohol. You don't punish everyone because there are a few who
are out of control. Other methods should be considered.
People rarely spend their money at the bars anyway. Most pre-drink
People are going to consume the same amount of alcohol. The only
difference that will occur is that the bars will make more money in the
process, and in return the state will as well.... It's all about the
money!
price is not an issue. ill go to the store if it is cheaper
Drink prices are already pretty high in many bars and people still pay.
Although drink specials do entice some students to consume more.
People will pay whatever they need to for their entertainment and
socializing.
College students will purchase alcohol at other locations such as Hy-Vee
in order to make it cheaper to drink before going to the bars.
The "problem" does not begin or end in the attainment of the drug. The
cultural stimulus is what needs to be focused on-our responses and
education to alcohol and the responsibilities that come with age.
There will be more house parties
No, because people will predrink more heavily before going to the bars.
People over 21 drink too-- this hurts those old enough to buy.
Making drinks at the bars more expensive might limit some drinking
behavior at the bars but when students can't afford to go to the bar they
will just go to a party instead which doesn't really solve the problem.
Still people will find alcohol and drink as they see fit. If not at the
bar then at an apartment party...also people will just pay more drinks if
they want to (the kids at this school have money).
i just don't think that the student body will care. They will still drink
to drink.
It may help, but underage kids will still find ways to drink and people of
age can still drink dangerously
People never think of consequences beofre they do dumb things
If you're going out to drink the price is not going to stop you from
drinking...it's horrible the city council thinks they can do what they
did.
For the same reason that apartment rentals go for so much here: these
little rich shitheads can afford to pay any amount of money to "go out."
Students will find alcohol no matter what. If taws pass, they will try
even harder.
limiting the price specials could help... for example, the 21-pitchers
for $21 is AWFUL, and underage people usually get some :)
It may work. Again it may slow some drinkers up but if they want to
drink bad enough prices won't stop them.
Absolutely not, prices have nothing to do with it. Kids here get all the
money they want...money is no object.
People will pay whatever, and don't really care how much it costs. It is
actually benefitting the bars, not the students.
If people want it bad enough, they'll pay whatever the price
College students are poor. They don't have the money to spend to get
wasted if the drinks are more expensive.
No matter how much it costs people who want to drink will and raising
prices and limiting specials will just anger those of us who are of age
and do drink responsibly.
This will not decrease the number of people who drink. People who got to
the bars to get "drunk" are still going to do whether the price is $5.00 a
drink or $1.00
The city council should stay out of the business decisions of the down
town commerce. As stated above, if an underage person wants to consume
alcohol they will. The price that drinking age individuals pay should not
be set as a punishment by the city.
Price doesn't necessarily hinder students who abuse alcohol.
Slightly, only slightly! It will not take affect right away, but
eventually people will not have any more money to spend on alcohol, but
when they do go out to a bar, they will go all out and really splurge.
Price is not really a deterrant. Most students can find money for
drinking.
if they want to drink they will
People who want to drink will do so; a price special will only lure them
from one bar to another, or from home to the bar.
more poepie will just drink at home
but i hope they do enact laws
Students will just end up spending more of their money on alcohol then
despite no specials.
It will decrease the encouragement of underage drinking, but there is no
guarantee that it will actually decrease the drinking itself.
If people want to drink, they drink. Infringing upon the rigths of bar
owners to sell at certain prices and people of legal age to buy at certain
prices is not the way to go.
Once again, this is not going to discourage the underage drinkers as much
as it will serve to annoy those legal drinkers who are enjoying their
alcohol responsibly... this will only lead to a greater consumption of
alcohol in the individuals place of residence, where supervision is far
inferior
When people decide that they are going to go drink, they go and drink. In
Canada, drinks are three times as expensive, but it doesn't reduce the
amount that people drink, jsut increases the amount that they spend to do
it.
If someone wants to drink they are going to drink, it doesn't matter how
much it costs, they will find the money somewhere.
I don't think it will make a difference. If a person wants to get drunk,
they'll do it. Also, keep in mind that free drinks ssometimes ARE served
to anyone. How can you regulate that?
Student will spend the money go out and have some fun
I'm just wondering where that extra money goes? Does the bar get that
increased revenue or will Iowa City decided to increase a city tax on
alcohol sales and have more funds?
Drink specials are not the reason people binge drink.
I think that people will drink just as much even if they have to pay
regular prices.
It would just change the location of where people drink.
NO, I think that there will be more house parties-for cheaper alcohol and
then the "binge" drinking will get way out of hand. I mean, how often do
you hear of someone dying of alcohol posioning at a bar? How about at a
private residence, At least it would be easier for the cops to hand out
public intoxes when the majority of people are congregated downtown.
People will just find a way to bring alcohol in from other places, Every
weekend you can find someone who is going home and who can bring you
something back. It's naive to think that changing a few prices in town
will have any effect on Ul's alcohol related activities.
Limiting prices at bars will only divert students to other places. House
parties would become more of a problem. It is better to have drunk people
at a supervised venue then avenue that isn't supervised.
People will just end up spending more, they won't care.
For the same reasons stated above. I think that moving the drinking to
unregulated parties where the specials are ALWAYS $3 or $5 for all you can
drink will actually increase dangerous drinking behavior.
Because kids at this school will pay anything to drink. It doesn't matter
what the price is (within reason).
Students only choose the bar on the drink specials. not how much to
consume.
Kids will still drink. whether it is at the bars or in dorm rooms.
apartments or wherever.
if they aren't at bars, people will find house parties to go there, which
could even be more dangerous because they are driving there instead of
walking to the bars
All it will do is create huge lines at the bars and most likey kill the
bars profits. Kids will just come to bars already drunk!! The only thing
it will accomplish is making bar owners less money!
People who drink will continue to do so and it's not a major problem the
city council should devote time to.
Cause it will harm business for bars and liqour stores from their older
customers.
Most people have the money to spend. Again people will just "pre-party"
more Often.
The specials allow students, who are in most cases not financially stable,
the ability to enjoy a good time at the bars at a reasonable price. What
needs to be done is the enfomement of the stamps, not prohibiting
underagers completely.
This will decrease bar attendance and increase keg parties. The high
prices will drive students to buy at baulk from other sourues rather than
1 or 2 drinks at a time.
Price specials may lead students to a certain bar, but the amount they
drink is usually consistent to anyother night w/or w/out a special.
To a certain extent yes, but once people start getting a buzz it doesn't
matter how much it is.
a lot of iowa students could care less on how much things cost-they'll
just end up buying the beer at hyvee or something and drink before they go
out-and the whole thing is not fair to punish people who do drink
responsibly based on the actions of a few drunken idiots
it doesn't matter whether they raise the price, if people want to drink
alcohol, they're going to ddnk. the only thing that implementing a price
floor would do would bring more money in for the bars.
Drinking is a part of American Culture...there will always be way around
any particular law
Because students will drink more before they go out and it will hurt many
businesses in downtown
Only if this includes bee~alcohol sales in grocery stores...but this
would never fly with the city at large.
Alcohol is everywhere, so it will not change. If anything, it will get
worse because people will go against the rules.
Again, this is a stupid focus of both the city
council and the administration. Focus on education on the dangers of
binging - not on attempting to end underage drinking - it will never
happen. Focus on designated driver programs instead - like free soda's,
coupons, etc... increase penalties for drunk driving... that's a LOT more
important and workable than trying to end underage drinking...
UISG Drinking Behavior Survey Question #9
General Comments
9. If alternative venues (movie theaters, alcohol free dance clubs, shopping,
concerts, recreational facilities) were available late at night, would these
decrease dangerous drinking behavior and/or underage drinking in the Iowa
City community?
Choice Votes Approximate %
Yes 772 59% *****
No 528 41% ****
Total 1300
Executive summary of responses
Yes, alternate activities to the bars would be affective in lowering underage and
binge drinking rates in Iowa City. It is important that these activities be well
publicized, constantly scheduled, and at times that reflect students behavior (i.e.
activities that start after 9 pm or so and continue until 2 am or later).
It is likely, that these alternate activities would not affect those students who were
extreme drinkers or who specifically went out to get drunk, but these activities
would have an affect on many bar patrons who are simply looking for a place to
be social and have fun. The most common suggestions included (in no particular
order) a bowling alley, non-alcoholic club, late-night movies at a modern day
movie theater, buses to Planet X or the mall, and more concerts.
-Summary by Andy Stoll, UISG
9. If alternative venues (movie theaters, alcohol free dance clubs, shopping,
concerts, recreational facilities) were available late at night, would these
decrease dangerous drinking behavior and/or underage drinking in the Iowa
City community?
Choice Votes Approximate %
Yes 772 59% .....
No 528 41% ....
Total 1300
An alchol free club might be cool
Planet X Closer to town, STOP Un. of IOWA from being so corporate with its
IMU rooms. The center of student life is the place to buy books and look
for a job. THAT'S IT make the university take some responsibility by
making the center of student life the IMU and not downtown
The bar scene is part of college life and part of the adaptation to
students making their own decisions
I would like to see 24 hour bowling alley. Ever,/time i go there it is
PACKED with people. I think this would seriously decrease the number.
I think it would give students other things to do besides go down town
College kids like to drink, fact of life. To them, no alcohol == no fun.
More shows or special events such as the recent casino night give students
more of an option concerning ways to spend their free time.
Everyone is pretty accustomed to drinking. It is what people like to do
"socially" to have fun, it will still happen, if not at the bars, then
someplace else (houses, dorms, etc). Many find or think that alcohol free
events are "stupid", many alternatives are already available, no one is
forced to go "party" it is a free and willing event.
Because people would rather have a good time at the bars socializing with
everyone else rather than sit in a room and watch a movie that they could
watch any night of the week in their room
People who drink, drink because they want to, not because they don't have
anything else to do.
College kids don't drink because they are bored, they drink when they want
to and when they want to do other things they do. Drinking isn't a last
resort. it is what they want to do.
People want to go out on the weekends and unwind.
people are going to drink no matter what. But if you built this stuff, a
lot of people would go. So maybe it would help a little bit.
I think that there would be more improvement with this policy than with
the others. Often. many students head to the bars because there really
isn't that much else to do. Improved shopping in Old Capitol, more
concerts (free and paying), movie theaters that have deals for students so
that they aren't paying seven dollars to see a movie at seven in the
evening would probably due well.
It may help, but only to a certain point. All ofthe suggestions are good
ideas.
If Iowa City had more of a selection for entertainment, such as bowling,
putt putt golf, and etc, then the underage drinkers would have something
else to do
this will allow students something more to do on days where they aren't
drinking
alcohol/smoke-free clubs,(streetJped mall dances), concerts, plays,
recreational places, cheap movies
I Would like to see a bowling alley uptown with a lot of pool tables where
student could go and have a good time. A movie theater uptown would also
be nice. Alcohol free dance clubs would definitely not work and shopping
late at night would also not work as an alternative venue.
Actually, I just lied. I don't really. I would love to see these kinds
of activities, and I hope they're implemented, but I don't think it's
going to keep people who want to drink from drinking. Any of the above
would be great. I'd particularly like to see free/reduced bus rates to
Coralville mall (to movie theater, etc).
people would still go and find somewhere to drink no matter what
Of course more alternatives will entice people, but there are still those
who wish to just get drunk. I would like to see more alcohol free dance
clubs and recreational facilities.
Karyoke clubs, comedy clubs, etc...
But I don't believe that alcohol free events would attract U of Iowa
students, maybe highschool students of Iowa City would participate though,
more concerts, keep the field house rec center open late
I believe it may decrease the problem, but only minimal. I believe that
college students will prefer to drink even with alternative activities.
College kids are college kids. We are going to drink and have fun no
matter what. Iowa City is a great town as is, adding to it is fine but
taking away from the atmosphere here, ie: only 21 and over bars, would
take away from Iowa City's uniqueness.
I don't believe so. People will most likely drink before they come to
these events,
I life to go out and have a few drinks with friends. I prefer to be in a
bar where each person can decide if he/she wants to drink.
People just need something interesting to do. An alcohol free dance club
and concerts would be nice.
Maybe. I think that these would be great for students that are looking
for other forms of entertainment, but for the students that want to go
drink, it probably won't change their habits, nor should it, if drinking
is what they choose to do.
alcohol free dance clubs with LIVE bands, more theatre performances -
perhaps in the englert
some people feel pressured to drink when they just went out looking to go
dancin' and having a good time
More good concerts, discounted movie theaters
I think it would definitely help. but the thing is, is that there would
have to be a large variety of places. Having just one additional place is
not going to make a big defference, because for instance, people won't
want to go to a concert every night, as they do the bars. I can honestly
say that I don't think that an alcohol free night club would do much good
because if people want to dance I still believe that they will go to
places people they know will be.
Drinking is a unique activity that would be impossible to duplicate to the
point of effectiveness.
I think people are dying for an alternative to bars and anything would be
better than nothing
I don't think it would curve drinking, but I would like to have some of
these activities, such as concerts and midnight movies avalible to me.
But those predisposed to drinking for fun will always go to bars. The lure
is 'letting down your guard'. You can't always do that in other settings.
Obviously they would decrease dangerous and underage drinking, but not by
much
I go out to the bars every weekend because it is the main way to
socilaize...and I can't tell you how many times I have said that I wish
there was something else to do downtown...that didn't cost you an arm and
an leg...I would love to see some more nightlife that didn't envolve
getting drunk....all of those things listed above would be great...and
bowling would be really big :)
Pretty much all there is to do in IC on weekend nights is go out to the
bars. I think an alcohol free dance club would be a good idea.
i say because it probably would it depends on the person. I think having
late, late movies and/or any other kind of activity like this would
probably do it.
A larger movie theater downtown, a jazz club, amature club
Drinking is a choice that everyone has to make for themselves. If they
choose to drink then the avalibility of other activities isn't going to
keep them from drinking.
Because it sounds lame to say "I'm going shopping" at 10:00 on a Friday
night. I think that no matter what there is to do, drinking will be one
of the top choices.
I think if we had more bands (Dave Matthews-Dixie Chicks) We need MORE
nightlife
Such venues would likely decrease ALL types of drinking.
I think alcohol free dance clubs and concerts are a great idea.
People would drink before going to these places.
Most people have alot more fun at bars than other activities wheather they
drink at the bars or not.
I like all of the above ideas
Depending on the appeal of such establishments they could have an impact
on social life for the university students.
As it stands the bars are the only place to go if you want to interact
socially with others. If other opportunities for this were available, it
would decrease drinking. The problem with this though, is you would have
to figure out how to a lot of people to go to other activities. No one
would go if there weren't people/friends there.
To some extent, I think it would decrease under-age drinking. Late night
concerts and alcohol free dance clubs would definitely bring in some of
the under-agers, simply because part of the reason they go to the bars is
to dance or hear a live band.
There should be more alternative venues available but those who drink too
much now will probably carry on doing so.
If people want to drink and can't go to the bars. They will find another
place to do it, such as a house party. People also go to the bars to
listen to the music and dance.
I wanted to answer possible but I couldn't. Alternatives might work if
there is a definite attempt to change the student culture.
This could deture the dangerous drinking because it would give students
another avenue to relieve stress or have fun. Personally I'd like to see
alcohol flee dance clubs, and movie theaters in Iowa City.
That is not interesting and fun for students on a consistant basis
The university does a pretty good job of coming up with alternative ideas
they however always seem to be at the same time. Tonight is a very good
example. I would like to go to the basketball game, mingus big band at
Hancher (both of which I have tickets too), and then casino night is
happening in the dorms. Why couldn't casino night have been last night
when there wasn't as much happening? This is constantly happening to me
that all fun university events are at the same time. LEARN TO
SCHEDULE!!!!!!
Nothing is open past 9 p.m. except for bars, Pancheros, Taco Bell, and
Walmart.
It would be great if there were more movie theaters downtown that were
open late and that gave more than 4 movie choices. Having a theater
inside a mall that closes its doors before 8:30pm is a pain because it is
not easily accessable.
More shopping and movie theaters would be great...there really isn't
anything at night to do in Iowa City except go to bars for those students
who don't have cars.
kids want to drink, plain and simple; More CONCERTS, movie theaters, and
recreational facilities
But it's highly probable that boredom is one major cause for recreational
drinking. More things of distraction may be of value. But if someone is
going to drink, they'll just show up drunk, but at least they won't be
driving or vandalizing.
It gives people more opportunities to do something besides drink, and see
other peoples toes.
I would encourage implementing other options considering Iowa City is
largely cornpromised of students.
I would go to the dance clubs(depending on the age limit, but like stated
before if they want to drink they will do it, so no matter what its not
going to solve any problems
alcohol free concerts / indoor music fests / food fests / amateur theater
- theres hardly anything downtown other than bars
Yes, to a certain extent. People who drink out of boredom might choose
not to drink, but others would still drink. Cheaper on-campus activities
(Hancher, theatre performances) or nighttime social activites might help.
Late night dance halls, where youths can hang out and just chill; get it
out of their system. Be realistic; kids are going to be kids.
I strongly believe that if these alternative activities were available,
fewer people would go to the bars, hence fewer people will drink. I like
going to the bars to dance (and not drink), but I am allergic to smoke in
large quantities, so I don't go very often. As for what activities I
would like to see, the ones listed above are a good start. Basically,
just places where people can hang out with their friends and meet new
people without the pressure of being drunk. I think the biggest hit would
be an alcohol free dance club, because that is why many people go to the
bars is to dance. Concerts would also be popular, I think. I think
Planet X in IC would be a good choice, but it is hard to get there if you
don't have a car. Maybe the cambus could have a Friday/Saturday night
route that goes to that part of town (Planet X, Walmar~, Coral Ridge Mall,
etc.) People without cars are really inconvieniced in this town, and cabs
are expensive.
People are always looking for alternatives. It would be great if the
Fieldhouse was open until 1 or 2 am.
the "dangerous drinkers" probably won't partake in these alternatives
The people Who would take advantage of these venues will more likely be
those who don't drink at or or very much. They will be the ones who
appreciate alcohol-free places.
People go out to the bars to get drunk. It is rediculus to think
otherwise. It's not like it happens on accident that someone consumes 10
beers. It is thier choice.
The people that want to go to the bar will always go to the bars.
Yes because coming from a big city, Iowa City is BORING!! I'm kinda sick
of just going to the bars during the weekend. I do not have a car, and if
more entertaining activities were available in close range (as in
walking), I would definitely expand my pallate.
Because not every student will want o do the same activities. A LOT of
different activities would have to be provided on a daily basis and I
doubt the university has the time or money to offer options to every type
of student.
Hopefully the young people will soon leam that dangerous drinking is not
"fashionable." Adult party goers do not welcome. and will often shun,
extreme drunkenness. A variety of concerts, interactive game activities
(basketball, laser-tag, etc.), late dinner playhouses, and dance clubs
might give young people alternatives to later evening activities.
It's college, when the weekend rolls around the majority of kids want to
let lose and drink. Students will most likey drink before going to any of
the listed venues.
More concerts
Because most students will not be interested in doing those types of
things. Those were things we did in grade school and high school.
There already are plenty. If people want alcohol, they'll get it
regardless.
alcohol-free dance clubs with live bands, concerts where no alcohol is
sold
However to only a certain extent. Just like going to the bars every
weekend gets boring and old, so does movies, which tend to be highly
priced in itself, shopping, which gets expensive, concerts and
recreational facilities. And personally I don't think alcohol free dance
clubs will flourish at all in Iowa City because of the ones that already
exist.
People enjoy the social aspects of the night life at the bars...not just
the drinking
Venues like that would not decrease DANGEROUS drinking. I think they would
be useful in deterring new or occasional drinkers from going to the bars,
but people that go out to get really drunk would still do so.
Prob not as much as the community would like to see though. The
atmosphere of the bars is really what people are into, not so much the
drinking, although that goes along with it.
It would give the people who go out socially another place to go other
than a bar. I would like to see more concerts or dance clubs.
More concerts, more movies showing downtown, more night games.
There would be more places to go. simply. I would like to see
concerts(maybe more familiar names?) more movie screens, a place to just
go and dance or hang out without alchohol...more restaurant OF cares that
stay open later.
If there were nightclubs where you could dance that were fun,
unrestricting, and open late, I think it would provide students who don't
drink to have something to do and probably attract some drinkers
I don't think so. Going to college and parrying go hand in hand, No matter
what it's gonna happen. I think teh university already does a good job of
offering alcohol free events already.
I would love to see non-alcoholic late night venues because I feel that
there is not much offered at this university for those who do not drink.
However, I do not think that it will deter those who want to drink away
from drinking. If people want to drink, they will.
Once again, I think that those who want to drink WILL. Those who don't
will be the designated drivers or will FIND the alcohol free activities on
their own.
These alternative venues would be unpopular precisely because they don't
offer alcohol. Students aren't drinking alcohol because there isn't
anything else to do. They are drinking alcohol because they want to.
more students would participate in these activities instead of drinking,
recreational centers open later hours and more Current movies showing at
the movie theater
I believe it could help. There isn't much to do in this city right now.
More things could help.
Such things as movie theaters or alcohol free dancce clubs.
It's always good to have other things to do than go to the bars. Iowa City
needs one of those dollar theaters!!! The Night Games at the Field House
are good alternatives also.
Perhaps it would somewhat. However, drinking is an activity that is often
combined with other activities. Recently, a co-worker remarked to me that
she "didn't really do anything without drinking," I believe she is twenty
years old. It's a problem that won't go away just by cracking down on
bars. Howevere, if people were given other late night alternatives, there
surely would be a portion of people that might choose not to drink, not to
go to the bars. It's worLha shot. Besides, the nondrinkers can always
use more options in the leisure department.
people are going to drink no matter what- if they want to then they will--
i think iowa city has plenty of things to do at night if you do not want
to drink- including going to the bars- there are other people there and
they can dance- they don't have to drink
sure, but it wont happen
there is nothing but bars in Iowa City.
However, people should stop getting drunk not because there is something
else to do, but because drinking alcohol is a dangerous habit.
Iowa City is net the Mecca of fun by any means and having a bar on every
corner and a mall that has no stores, leaves only one thing to do, drink.
I would like to see more local movie theaters, not just in Coral Ville.
DEFINITELY this option should be strongly considered. The number one
reason students ddnk so heavily at the UI is that "There is nothing else
to do in this town". It would be good to see an alcohol free dance dub, A
paintball arena would be nice to have in town as well. Also, it always
seems that the Coral Ridge Mall plays more of the top movies, and it is a
bit of a hassle to find a dde out to the mall.
There are already plenty of activities planned at night in Iowa City, and
only those who don't drink, or rarely drink, go to them.
People in Iowa City drink for lack of better things to do on late nights.
Unlike the University of Wisconsin. Madison, our Union closes around 11:00
p.m. and events it holds are focused on creation of conference revenue
instead of social activities. I go to Madison's campus often to see
concerts by bands on friday and satuday nights, to hang out and have fun.
If the University were to step up its pledge to students, by improving its
own late night resources for students, we might not have such a major
problem. Iowa City's down town is also to fault for net having any late
night hang outs that don't focus on bar revenue. Bowling alleys, large
pool halls, or a real dance club are activities that aren't accessible to
students living on or near campus. The bars are all they have. Can you
really blame them for all congregating there?
This is college, people want to party not just sit around watching a
movie.
People at the university enjoy going out to the bars more. We already
have these alternative venues and people still choose to go to the bar.
Personally I would appreciate more alternatives, but I don't really enjoy
the bars as much as most people I know. so I really can't comment on if it
would have an effect on the behavior of others.
You have to give alternatives to students in order to give them other
things to do besides going to the bar to drink. I would like to see late
night movies, bowling, alcohol free clubs, concerts, and recreational
facilities,
Students want to drink. Too many students have this notion that drinking
is part of college, to that end they feel compelled to participate.
Number one would be a dance club (which didn't let h.s. kids in!) ...
movie theaters ... better stuff at the old cap mall ... cool bands ...
anything!
concerts would be nice
college kids will always drink to get drunk
Yes, but only to a degree. Iowa City is already a vibrant community with
alternatives. I believe that most young people that claim that "there's
nothing else to do" are simply making excuses for their irresponsible
behavior. However, more alternatives than those that already exist are
always welcome, and may prove to be helpful.
It really depends on what you offer, how much it costs. where it is, and
the other people who will show up, I would go to a non-alcoholic dance
club if it had the same atmosphere as the bars. I would also go to
concerts and the like, I do already. But those things tend to cost even
more money than drinking and many college students don't apreciate the
arts.
the people that were going to drink will still be at that bars
Drinking is way of life for many people and that will not change. The
people that will go to such places will be the people who don't drink in
the first place,
Drinking is a part of life. sure maybe some people will drink less, but I
dent think the percentages will change that much. It seems like a huge
waste of money for a 1-5 percent decrease.
definately more concerts would decrease this. I would love to see more
concerts like matchbox 20 was here this year
Recreation centers for sports such as basketball, swimming, volleyball,
bowling or billiards.
Depending on the cost. The problem with that also could be that people
would just get drunk before they participated. Unfortunately, the element
of alcohol or excessive drinking is a difficult one to deter.
It could quite possibly decrease underage drinking by an uncertain
percentage. (e.g. skate parks/rinks, concerts, bowling, etc...)
There are lots of times that my friends and I want to get out of the dorms
and do somthing, but we don't have cars. Right now, we can see a movie or
occasionally go to a concert. However, the great majority of late-night
activities within walking distance center around drinking. If there was a
bowling alley close by, we would definitely go there.
Maybe, It doesn't seem like there is enough to do socially late at night
besides go to the bars.
I think that iowa city really doesn't have too many things to do besides
go to the bars, so opening up other things would maybe lower binge
drinking, but at the same time, those that want to drink will and those
that don't want to drink still enjoy going to the bars that are currently
opened and have a good time there, without the pressure of alcohol.
What is considered dangerous drinking behavior, if you are fighting in the
Ped Mall you should be arrested, if you pucking in a public place you
should be arrested. But if your minding your own business, the fucking
pigs should leave you alone
maybe. more concerts would be good.
It would definitely help. Obviously, certain people will drink no matter
what entertainment is available. I'm not sure what to suggest. Perhaps
look at what other college towns have to offer and throw those ideas at
Us.
I think that a lot of people at this univeristy were former athletes and
would glady participate in night activities of basketball, football, or
any sport. This would generate a lot of interest, I believe.
Students drink for many different reasons. Just because you give them
other thing to do doesn't mean they won't drink before these activites.
would it have stopped anyone 10 years ago from going out and drinking?
I think that alternative activities would help decrease both, but only a
small amount. If people want to drink they are going to find a place to
drink regardless of alternative activities.
I think eventually these venues would help, but they CANNOT be presented
as blatantly "alchohol free alternatives." If this label is pushed,
students will be repelled simply because they feel targeted. I waited
until I turned 21 to go to the bars and still found PLENTY to do in Iowa
City after 11 pm. I think the problem of students saying there is nothing
to do has more to do with their upbringing and less to do with what Iowa
City has to offer. I grew up enjoying concerts, movies, reading, and just
socializing in a non-alchol environment. And as such, I think it is a
difficult task for the city or the university to instill an appreciation
for non-bar activities if that foundation isn't already there. Herein lies
a major difficulty with the "binge drinking" problem: to really fix the
problem the culture must change, which is a much greater task than simply
tightening up laws or offering alternative venues.
It may help slightly just by giving more alternatives. However those who
want to drink will still do so.
While admitedly few, there is definitely students out there who would take
advantage of those things.
It would give something else for students to do. A Planet X would be a
lot of fun. A dance club that is similiar to the bars but without alcohol
would also be nice.
Those who do not want to drink don't, even if they are at the bar. Those
who do want to drink would ignore any alcohol-free alternative venues.
movie theatres, coffee shops open later
At the very least, students would have a choice to make, whereas it is
debatle whether true alternatives exist to drinking now. I'd like an GOOD
arcade, bowling, concerts, etc.
Because people love to have fun at the bars even with a few drinks. that
is why they go out.
They might, I personally prefer the bars, but I think that it definitely
would steer people to do other activities. I like the concert idea.
These type of facilities are already and have been in use by many
University of Iowa students. Enhancing these facilities are not going to
prevent alcohol use anymore than it has been preventing it now.
Many students drink to reward themselves because they can due to age and
that is what they want to do. Other venues don't provide what those
students want
i think underage students having an alternative and worthwhile activity
will at least sometimes choose an alcohol free activity.
b/c students like to drink on the weekends and if these venues were opened
they would not use them
It would help because most of the people go to the bars because there's
nothing else to do. If there were alternatives, I'm pretty sure people
would go for that. Concerts and dance clubs are good ideas and so are
movie theaters, but we need these in the downtown area where everyone Can
get to them.
It would provide more entertainment for those in the non-drinking
community, whom I think are the major advocates for these things, but to
suggest that it is going to curb drinking is slightly ridiculus. If I had
to choose between a bar or any other social venue, I would choose the bar.
Doesn't matter what the venue is, but it cannot be childish. People will
drink because they think that they are adults. The place in question must
allow people to smoke, like most bars do, or it will inevitably bomb.
For the same reason above, if people want to drink and get drunk, they are
going to do it. They will find other ways than the bars.
Because the people who don't drink are already finding things to do and
those who do drink are going to be at the bar.
Some thing else for the students to do... they won't be drinking,
concerts from well known bands such as the red hot chili peppers.
Offers more options than just bars. I avoid IA City at night.
Because alcohol is not offered at those venues. Anyone who says they
drink because there is nothing else to do lying to themselves.
people are set in their ways and they see drinking as the most fun way to
spend their free time.. it relaxes them and it's fun
bars are a part of college life, don't take that away from us. also,
there are several students that don't binge drink, why punish them?
People who drink, that I know of and have observed do so simply for the
basic result of feeling buzzed or drunk. These people feel that without
alcohol, no fun can be had.
If there are alternatives closer to the UI campus, people would actually
have a choice on where to go rather than just the one choice of going
downtown. I would like to see movie theaters that show better movies than
the ones they show at the Old Capitol. Dance clubs would also be a good
choice, because I believe that many people go to bars in order to
socialize. Concerts would also be a great idea, because there are not
enough bands that come to iowa City.
An expansion and renovation of the Old Capitol Mall
People have nothing to do late at night with friends but meet at a bar or
party. Late night recreational facilities are a great idea: lazer shows,
lazer bowling, concerts, Go Karts, comedy shows, late night mini golf, a
Velcro wall; I think people would take advantage of late night theatre,
too.
It would give other cool alternatives to do. Concerts, movie theaters,
alcohol free dance clubs are good. Try to advertise them as cool, not
"Alcohol Free!". That sounds uriccol and childish. The alcohol free part
will be understood.
I attended a small private college in Iowa that provided such activities
(Graceland University). The evening activities provided an alternative.
Many students wanted to attend, so they either would not consume alcohol
those nights or would consume less. I think alcohol free dance clubs,
concerts, recreation facilities, free movies, dances, entertainers (e.g.
comedians) would really help.
Well, again you are not going to make people change their behavior.
However, having more of these activities available would certainly give
people options. With information and choice available it certainly seems
that you would target some undedcided people as well as open up a new
market for those who choose not to drink. It would also serve as an
preliminary action geared towards getting teenagers/underage people
involved in social activities not based in drinking,
they have to be close to campus though
more choices mean fewer people at the bar alcohol free dance clubs,
comedians, pool houses concerts
Dance clubs without alchohol
I doubt it will change it - it isn't out of a LACK OF ALTERNATIVES like
everyone claims.... it is a choice. If you are bored late at night - you
don't just DRINK to stop the boredom - it is an excuse and a weak one at
that the drinkers use to accuse the city of being the ultimate reason they
are driven to drink "YOU MADE ME DO IT!" says the man who beats his wife
kinda thing.,.. lame.
People want to "hook up", and alcohol is a big part of it, Iowa City
needs a really cool after hours club that plays hard core house music you
can dance to. None of that Fieldhouse dj crap.
Nothing will ever replace the bar in college culture, but people seeking
social activities for purely social reasons may look elsewhere for
interaction other than bars.
It is too difficult to change people's behavior patterns. if people are
used to drinking they are going to continue to drink.
I think there need to be more options for underage bingets. Many drink
because they feel there is nothing else to do.
Sometimes you feel like going out, but not necessarily to the bars. This
would provide other social opportunities for students.
Alternative activities will give "night owls" something else to do. As it
is right now. there is nothing to do after 10 in the downtown areas except
go to the bars. Adding late night movie showings or bringing a facility
like Planet X to downtown would provide alternative activities to students
who do not have vehicles.
Alcohol flee dance clubs are usually lame, we already have movie theaters,
shopping.,. Concerts usually encourage it seems to induldge in unsafe
drinking/drugs... Recreational facilities? they would have to be pretty
nice and expensive.
More concer~s and alcohol free dance clubs Would be most effective. People
would get drunk before them but a few hours away from alcohol would also
sober them or make people tired.
No one wants to be bored or have a ugly weekend after hard classes. They
want to party.
Students associate college, parties, and aJcohol. I even remember hearing
about the parties my parents went to in college. I personally think that
lowering the drinking age to 18 or 19 would help sotp binge drinking.
Drinking is the only thing to do in downtown Iowa City in the evenings. I
would like to see more live music.
it will give a safe alternative to drinking
We could have bowling, more places open late similar to the Java house
where people can get together in a casual public environment with out
alcohol, or a late night movie theater, people would be less apt to drink.
Right now our entertainment options are limited to the bar scene in
downtown Iowa City.
I think if they were just as much fun as the bars, they may be somewhat
helpful. The IMU is not quite the "gathering place" that the University
would like it to be. Old Capitol Mall, if owned by the University, would
make a much better student union. Right now the IMU is just a
conference/meeting center. Only the ground floor is devoted to students.
If I had other things to relieve stress, I would pursue them. I like
athletics, movies... but all that stuff seems to cost too much --
monetarily and the time and effort it takes to get there...
alcohol free dace clubs
Absolutely! I think that the reason so many people begin drinking is that
it's so easily accessable. The bars are pushing it under everyone's noses.
It's being served to everyone on a silver platter. ~ think that if there
were that many alternatives as easily accessable that far less people
would be pressured to make the choice to drink. Right now people have to
look for that's as consistantly available as the bars/alcohol and people
don't want to do that.
people like to drink its a fact they do because they enjoy it. Take
prohibition a small group tried to impose their beliefs on a greater whole
and it did not these self serving ideas won;t help ether
BO James had an alcohol-free night and it was a flop. There just doens't
seem to be that much intrest.
I would like to see more concerts from well known artists
Education and resposivible examples are the only tings which will curb
this alledged problem.
Most students seem to say that there is nothing else to do but go out and
drink so I definitely think alternatives will decrease the drinking. I
think that all the alternatives listed above would be good, especially
dance clubs since a lot of students just go to the bars to dance.
we do live in the most active and liberal city in Iowa but we are no
where close to offering the alternative venues available in other cities
like Chicago or Denver or Boulder. Another issue being skirted is that in
these towns there are many things to do which avoides the "there's nothing
to do but drink" notion. However, you will find that these towns do have a
big bar crowd that resembles any city (including Iowa City). Alternative
activities (besides library chat with Mary Sue on Friday nights) would
spread out the population that normally would settle to go to the bars.
The people who go out want to drink, if you were to open non-alcohol
actvities these would be a lose. because it doesn't matter what you do
people who want to drink will, those who do not won't. The government
tried this once it was called PROHIBITION.
Spoding events open. When the university does do something, they always
make it cheesy and corny and then no one wants to go to it.
it seems like drinking is the only thing to do downtown in the evening
concerts, discount movies
I think alcohol free dance clubs are a good idea. A lot of people.
especially underage people like to go to the bars now just to dance, so if
the alcohol were not available there it would help. Although any
extracurricular activities that the city or University may come up with
need to be very well advertised.
If someone wants to drink, he or she WILL drink.
I said above, people like to go downtown in the evening. This might offer
a good alternative. The dance clubs, shopping, etc., are good
alternatives, but there is little guarantee that these will solve the
problem completely.
People say the only thing to really do on the weekends is to go party, so
the logical line of reasoning would be to provide alternatives to
drinking. I think a discount movie theater. a rec center, and
alcohol/smoke free dance clubs would be good alternatives.
i don't think that it'll help. but for those who don't drink, the late
night activities would be appreciated.
More late-night shopping and concerts that are orientated towards
students.
people can't afford to drink all the time, if there was a cheaper form of
entertainment I am sure many would go. Nightly concerts would be great, or
even late late night movies, People don't want to go to those kinds of
things drunk, or they wont get their money's worth.
the people who drink dangerously and cause the majority of the visible
problems in i.c. are the people who are going to laugh at any attempt to
offer alternatives to drinking. people who don't already place alot of
emphasis on drinking are going to be the people who access these
alternative venues, not the problematic drinkers
Additional entertainment and sports.
The students who drink do it as part of their social life. I am from a
small town and drank in high school for a social activity, I will always
drink as a social activity. It is just what I am accustomed to.
Concerts would be great as would more readily available recreation and
excercise opportunities....there isn' much to do in the winter time in
Iowa City.
College students who drink will find places to go. These alternative
venues would appeal to students who are not currentely drinking only.
it minght give people other things to do, but it wouldnt be as fun
The people who drink will still do so. This wouldn't affect those who
aren't in this high-risk group.
more to do
Dance clubs, additional downtown movie theaters
It may but with late night traffic, it brings potential problems. Try it
and see what happens. Personally. I would love to have a rec center stay
open until midnight, that would be fun!
I think that it would at least give students an alternative to drinking.
Univ of Iowa has the only student union, that I am aware of, that closes
early. Wisconsin and Iowa State have activities within their Student
Unions that go late into the night on weekends.
There would be more opportunities for students to do other things. Movie
theaters, shopping, concerts with various types of music, bowling
alley .....
Yes, to an extent. Some people would make use of such areas, but there
are alot of people who want to drink. For those I do not think there is
an answer. If they are not able to go to the bars they will find a pady.
For alot of people drinking excessively is a part of the college
experience. It has been for quite a while and it seems to be becoming
part of today's culture.
There are those students who could find better things to do now but still
choose to drink. They will continue to do so no matter what other
activities are offered.
Nothing will every stop these so called DANGEROUS behaviors! Students go
to class all week and need to blow off some steam.
Most of these alternative venues are available and people still drink.
Going to the bars is just part of college.
The people who are drinking, want to drink, and will do so no matter what
It might decrease drinking, but I think it would help students who don't
go to the bars have more fun. I think having more concerts and cheaper
movie theaters with more choices would be good. The dollar theatre in
Ames is a popular place for students, I think Iowa City would benefit from
having one.
Concerts, recreational facilities
Possibly, but only if it is coupled with changing the entrance age of bars
back to 21 only. I think that alcohol free dance clubs would be great,
and concerts too.
A little, but students will always drink, and always want to drink.
College students aren't interested in those types of activities.
Possibly.
More coffee/water/juice places with live entertainment
It doesn't matter what other alternatives are in place, people who
seriously want to drink, will.
Drinking holds more of an interest for underage people.
More support for University programming would greatly benefit this
alternative objective
It may possibly decrease the dangerous drinking behavior to some extent.
An alternative is a better way to curve drinking habits than to forbid it.
Example people who smoke more often quit when there are other things to
disperse there cravings. Alcohol consumption in bars is social, so if
other social activities occur, people will do it.
Yes, to a point, but there are still those people who want to go out and
drink in a bar setting.
Maybe, because at times it does seem that there is really nothing else to
do. I am not sure what, but maybe just things like bowling or movies.
This will not affect current drinkers but may offer alternatives to new
students and alter their behavioral patterns so that alcohol doesn't
become a necessity. Alcohol free dance clubs is the best idea posted.
This is college, not junior high school.
To a limited extent. Will never totally replace it.
I think that these types of venues would help to a cedEain extent. Places
like Planet X might help, but then there is the problem of people going to
the bars and then going to the alternatives.
Drinking is in the culture of students, and students think it is a Jot
more fun to drink then to do other activities on the weekend. The culture
of the students would need to change first.
aJthough it might a little, the people that want to drink are going
to...there really is no stop to that.
young people want to have a good time while drinking. They have been
watching grown-ups drink in bars their whole and our society treats
drinking as a grown up thing to do. The only way to curb underage alcohol
consumption is to immitate Europe and have no drinking age.
I wish there were more cheaper, and better movie theaters in Iowa City,
but I don't think this would deter students drinking. They will continue
to do so, regardless of the rules that are imposed on them.
It probably would help both, but as the Iowa City city council has already
allowed the bars to dominate downtown, this is a long range solution to an
immediate problem.
cam busses to planet x. the coral ridge mall open. rock concerts.
More live music acts
They may limit the number of times people drink by giving them an
alternative, but they will not completely keep people from drinking.
Those that binge drink are probably the ones least likely to engage in
alternative venues
I think it would be great to have other venues because iowa city offers
nothing but booze, and nothing else, such as movie theaters, bus times, or
bowling allies stay open long enough, or are not convenient to those who
don't have cars at night. there are so many bars, and it gives us non
drinkers nothing to do, and when organizations want to have parties, they
don't want them to be in the same old drinking spots. I Would like to see
dance/night clubs, bowling allies, the cambus to keep longer times or city
buses, etc.
I think people that hinge drink will not be interested in other
activities. These venues may discourage social drinkers from going out,
but the amount of binge drinking will not significantly decrease. I still
think venues that are aJcohol free for people like me who do not drink at
all.
Kids will probably just get drunk and go to the concerts or whatever all
drunk. Happens all the time.
only if people chose to go to these venues.
Possibly giving others an opportunity to do something else.
It might decrease the drinking just by giving another option, although
there will always be underage drinking. I would like to see more concerts
in Iowa City.
These are not related to the core issue.
You're sure to get at least one person to go, so that one person would
cause a decrease, but overall, the decrease won't be large.
the people who over-consume are goimg to do so regardless of the other
activities available
I think you would see a slight decrease....I think it would be short term
though because concerts are cool but you cant have good ones that are
going to draw a lot of people very often, so when there isnt a concert
going on, people are going to drink at the bars.. ,.and a dance club
without alcohol would be awesome if it was an actual dance club...there
are no true dance clubs in Iowa City...youd definitely draw some people
with that...so even a little decrease would be good i guess so a dance
club would be cool
Yes, I think it would. We are young. We have energy. We are living the
most carefree, and yes, irresponsible times of our lives as undergraduates
at this university. However, that doesn't mean that all we want is booze
and a good time. This is also the time when we are learning the most about
ourselves and our individual positions in society. Downtown Iowa City
caters to one thing and one thing only after 10 p.m.: drinking alchohok
The UI knows it, the City Council knows, and for God's sake the ICPD knows
it. Providing alternative activites/venues from the bar scene may not
stop underage drinking in Iowa City, in fact, it definitely will not. But
it just might give us students a place to go after, say, one or two drinks
at home or at a bar. Often my friends and I ponder what to do after having
a glass of wine early on a Friday night. Since there is rarely an answer
to that question, rather than going home and playing board games or
watching TV (both of which have merit on the appropriate occasion), we go
to another bar for a change of scenery. And what are we to do at that next
locale but drink? Please, please Iowa City and UI, provide us with
cultural outlets by which we can entertain ourselves en masse without the
aid of alchohol and/or drugs. I would love to see alchohol-, smoke-free
dance clubs with good underground electronic DJs in Iowa City, for
instance. There are a wealth of artists and entertainers more than willing
to provide their services to our community. Let's give them that chance.
a alcohol free dance club(s) because some people go out just to dance but
when they get into a bar they see other people having fun with alcohol so
they want some too,
Many c011ege students come here to ddnk and party while they go to
school. You just can't control this. They want to go to bars.
Dance dubs will result in increased drug us and people love to get drunk.
probably not. Unless the city sponsors free concerts and have naked girls
at these alcohol free events.
Because the people who go out drinking to get drunk want to be doing that
anyway. What it -would- do is give the people who don't drink someplace to
go instead of hanging out in their apartments/dorms trying to avoid the
drunk people.
More concerts and it would be good if the coffee shops were open later.
only if under 21 students could not get into the regular bars because of
the age limit
This is the only option I can see that will have any effect on underage
drinking.
because i do not feel that there are a lot of other big social things to
do. i think a bowling alley would be cool
Yeah, I think more options would make more people do things other than
drink. You still have to realize that they are going to, though, and
probably would at these events as well.
Only a few people would change, not everyone.
No, on the weekends all I want to do is let loose and party. Once in a
great while I may decide not to drink one night out of the weekend but
those are few and far between.
There would be toerh things to do! Iowa City is becoming like one huge
bar.
I have friends at other schools where they have alternatives to drinking,
yet they still choose to drink.
all of those options are already closely available either on campus or
nearby yet most students choose to go to parties or drink on the weekends.
I think some people drink because there is nothing else they feel they can
do for entertainment,
Kids that want to drink are going to drink
Students would sometimes substitute these activities for the bar.
Maybe. We've never had those things available, so I don't know whether
they would work or not. Game Night at the Field House seemed to work a
little, but a lot of people don't live close to the FH. It's not
accessible.
The only problem with drinking in Iowa City is that the city council is
blowing this way out of proportion.
It would have to be a gradual process and it would have to be located
downtown
There appears to be "nothing better to do".
The dance clubs would help, but not necessarily. The main reason most
people go out to drink is to either a. get drunk or b. hook up with
someone for the night
Bowling
all of these would be great, and would help a little, but the lure of the
bars would remain.
I think that it would just provide more places for people to drive drunk
to.
The bar is part of the university life. So is drinking in my opinion.
People are spending all this time and money on something that seems to be
an impossible task. Offering other choices on weekends will do some good
but what is to stop people from doing this dangerous drinking before doing
these other things?
Any other social activity would reduce the number of students who drink
socially. Planet X is a great venue, and the Englert theator is another
great venue.
they would to a very limited degree... people go to bars because they have
alchol. not because they have no place better to go..
college students want to party and have fun, and alcohal enhances that
fun, but having other non alcohalic places to party would be fun as well.
the problem is, there is no other fun places besides the bars.
If scope did it's job and got good college bands to play here instead of
arena crap like the Red Hot Chilli Peppers, maybe people wouldn't drink so
much. Also, the Bijou offers quality coffee oriented entertainment.
It is part of Iowa City culture to drink the night away and when they are
unable to buy it at the bar then they start going to "after hours". In
theory the places that were mentioned above would be the best solution to
the problem but the likelyhood that people would actually go to them is
slim to none.
People are pretty much set in their ways of the way they like to do things
and that just isn't the thing to do these days.
For a while any way. As soon as these got boring, students would go back
to the old routine. I would like to see more concerts around here.
i think it would be a good idea to promote more non-alcoholic events
available to students. Concerts are always good.
they would encourage more people to go out and not stay at home and drink.
concerts
well, actually i don't think a lot of people drink because of a lack of
options. again, if they want to drink, then they'll drink. i do think
those sort of alternative venues are a good idea, however, for the people
that think the only thing to do in iowa city is to go to the bars
The people that want to drink will, reguardless, other options would be
good though, to give those that dont something to do.
Most definitely. People complain there is nothing to do. Seems like very
little is being done about this problem. If the community and the UI are
so concerned - DO SOMETHING.
There's not much else to do in Iowa City, unless you have a car and are
able to drive to Coralville. A bigger movie theater with newer releases
or ice skating rink would be cool.
Students are going to drink regarless the atmophere (meaning bar, house
pad-/, public resturant). In reference to your examples above-alcohol
flee dance clubs are not going to happen and if they do, they will go
bankrupt due to lack of customers...shopping and recreational facilites
are not even up for debate...concerts definately will not stop students
for drinking-they will drink before the doors open.
If Iowa city had somewhere that wasn't a bar and had concerts there more
kids would attend this activity. They do it occasionally at the IMU but
the sound there sucks and they never get good bands. Also there is not
good movie theatres in Iowa City. All that the theatres show are lame big
budget movies from hollywood.
dependes people would rather spend money on alcohol, however if it were
cheeper, or free almost anything would work
Probably not because it is getting too expensive to do most of these
activities in this town anyway.
I don't think so. If people want to drink, they will find a way.
Establishing more alternative venues can't hurt, but the crowd that you
see in these venues won't be the same folks that are causing all the
problems now anyway. It will be those who don't go to the bars to begin
with.
As long as they are not too expensive.
these venues can assist some but the bars will still be very popular.
but if they are more expensive then bars, or have too much of a
"babysitting" or "parenting" atmosphere they will not be successful
Most students go to the bars for the purpose of drinking. Alternative
venues would not decrease the number of student drinkers because those who
want to drink will only go to the bars. They will not want to go to other
facilities if they intend on drinking.
I think it will be a help to some students, but I also think other
students are thinking "Hey I'm in college and I want to party." But we
definately need some alternative ideas for underage students.
I feel that this would have an effect on underage drinking in iowa City,
especially alcohol free dance clubs, not just alcohol free nights at bars,
and recreational facilities. The question is not what to offer, most
alternatives are already in place, they just need to cater to the schedule
of many students on the weekends, which means later hours of operation on
weekends for movie theatres, the field house, and old capitol mall, if it
ever gets any stores in it. As for dangerous drinking behavior, I repeat
myself from my last response. There are always going to be a minority who
want to get real drunk and act stupid. These people will also find a
place to do it, whether that be the dorms, bars, or off-campus house
parties.
I know that I am always looking for something safe and fun to do. If I
had a place to go where I would not be threatened by drunk boys, I'd go.
I would like to see some non mainstream movie theatres that show
noncurrent and independent movie theatres
Alcohol-free bars, as well as SMOKE-FREE bars.
Because we are in college now, and peer pressure doesn't force us to
drink. If someone likes to drink, they will drink on weekends, and if
someone doesn't like to drink, they will avoid it. Stepping Up and the
City Coucil underestimate our ability as adults to make our own decisions
based on our lifestyles.
maybe, especially w/freshman. inexpensive activities as listed above
The most part is now. people are in college, this is what they do
Late night movies, clubs, and just places like Serendipity located closer
to downtown, like the bars are.
they need a shuttle to the mall at night!!
There are other things to do other than drink already, but keep stuff open
later
any alternatives could have an effect,
Although I think the effect will be small.
People Will still drink to drink.
no, because most towns have those, and most teens just choose to drink
anyway because it is what they are accustomed to
If the venues were alcohol free, people would just drink before they go to
them anyway.
I would LOVE to see Iowa City attracting great bands or performers, and it
would give us constructive things to do.
Honestly, there is nothing to do in Iowa City. If there are festivals or
concerts my friends and I go. However the numbers of these are SMALL.
Drinking is usually just something to do to pass the time and see friends
on the weekends.
Yes, but again the people who really want to drink and party will anyway.
More options for outlets would be useful. more theater and cultural
activities would be nice. A society and government, which do not glorify
alcohol or make it an issue through law would also help.
I don't think it is appropriate to equate underage drinking necessarily
with dangerous behavior. Many underage drinkers do not partake in so
called dangerous behaviors.
Not really sure this will have a positive impact. I am not really a part
of this younger crowd.
On some nights you could possibly cut down on the drinking, but it
wouldn't be a permanent change,
It depends heavily on how "hip" these other places can become. No one
wants to go to a place that is considered a drag.
Some kind of alcohol-free concert or dance clubs would be attractive to
students who are underage, and would also be very attractive to those
students who do not like to drink. There is currently nothing really
available in terms of evening entertainment for students who do not drink.
Given the price of drinks and cover charges more students may decide to
choose a lower cost alcohol-free event than a night at the bars. Reduced
price movies, dances, cncerts, etc would all be good alternatives.
If people wanted to do that sort of thing instead of drink, they would. if
they don't want to drink when they go out, they don't. Plain and simple
It would give an alternative to the bars for hanging out and having fun.
I would like to see alcohol free dance clubs, concerts, and recreational
facilities.
Again, the people who want to drink are going to drink, regardless of the
number of "healthier" alternatives. "Dangerous" is also a relative term
and I don't see why or how the level of danger in someone's actions should
be determined by another person or group of people.
NO. If people want to hang out in an alcohol free environment they will.
People drink because they want to not becasue of lack of options.
We are not teenie boppets any more.
I would rather go to a club and dance than deal with dumb young drunks
People will do what they find fitting. IF they want to go to a movie, they
will go. If they want to become intoxicated then they will do that as
well. Having alternative venues would not necessarily decrease "dangerous
drinking behavior."
I don't think that any non-alcoholic place is going to stop students from
drinking. but, for non-drinkers, it would be an excellent idea to have a
non-alcohol dance club that way they don't have to be around alcohol if
they don't wish to!!
but only a little after a long period of time, b/c people will get bored
w/non alcoholic events once they have been used to drinking
The best way to stop underage drinking is to just keep them out of the
bars and have alternate places for under 21 people to go. The Quad Cities
has a club like this and people actually go to it. As long as clubs let
in those under 21, there will always be underage drinking no matter what
alternative venues are given. However, if a 21 yr. old only law was
passed, then only I believe that if movie theaters, and alcohol free dance
clubs, and concerts were available there would be less drinking problems.
Besides going to bars to get drunk, some students go there for the social
aspect. Creating alcohol free events, such as dance or sports clubs, would
decrease underage drinking.
Because, it is the culture, not the bars' fault. Raise the price and
students will buy less books.
I think some of the drinking would decrease during these times. But, I
also think that many of the students will just "reallot" their drinking
times to other nights.
I would like to see more concer~s and cheaper movies, like the dollar
theatres in Cedar Rapids.
Right now there isn't much to do around here, so most students turn to
drinking for entedainment. If there were more programs available, more
students would get involved in them and it would lea to less drinking.
I think most people drink because they think irs the only 'fun' thing
available to do, There are not many alcoholic alternatives in Iowa City,
only too many bars.
Most college students enjoy drinking with friends, it's a social activity
that I don't feel too many students are willing to give up.
If there are other things to do than go out to the bars, students will do
it. Especially other types of clubs. If they're alcohol-free, that's just
fine. Make them smoke-free while you're at it too.
De~nately! !! I wish there were alcohol free dance clubs! I think that
any entertainment alternatives that didn't involve drinking would improve
the drinking problem drastically!!!
How about a DECENT concert venue? If Ames can bring good bands, why can't
IC?
college student drink face it
they will either drink or go somewhere else like a house to drink
I Would like to see a non-alcoholic place similar to Gameworks in Illinois
Somewhat, but I dont think that the bar scene can be entirely replaced
with alternative venues like the night games and shopping
Actually, alcohol doesn't bother me. Let's outlaw tobacco. I like dance
clubs, coffee houses, pool halls, and cheap movies.
Although I don't believe the problem is that prevelant, it would be nice
to have other options down town.
Because the people who take advantage of these sorts activities are not
the ones who are out drinking every weekend. They are the people who are
looking for something to do other than sitting at home and be bored.
People who go out every weekend are not going to say "Oh my God, these
alcohol free activites have changed my life and I will be forever sober."
No one's mind works like that.
I think it would help a lot, with the exception of addicts who have a
disease that will not permit them to stop using/abusing until they
recieve proper care. I think more advertising of AA programs would
definitly help the problem. Night venues... midnight bowling, DANCE
CLUBS. board game nights, casino night was fun!, a street dance would be
cool,
Our society sees alcohol as "bad", and as long as people consider alcohol
to be bad, students will continue to want to drink, even if they are
underage. People (especially childen and young adults) love to do things
that they are not supposed to do. I think that all of the attention on
the downtown bars encourages students to go there. It's a challenge to
them: they think "1 wonder what I can get away with".
People would get drunk and then go to the venues.
Movies are already offered pretty late at night. Concerts may help, but
the University seems to ruin that for us (i.e. last concert scheduled at
Carver cancelled). Plus people who live in the dorms do not have any
means of transportation to most of these things. The bars are just a shor
walk away from any of the dorms.
I would do other activities, but there are many who drink for recreation.
A great idea would be to show first-run movies right on campus at (say the
IMU or somewhere on Pentacrest) late starting time such as midnight or
1am.
I'm sure there are several people that never drank before they came to
school here but began to drink because there was nothing else to do.
Only if they are totally free and you give prizes for going
It wouldn't completely stop the problem; however, it might curb underage
drinking if there were alternatives such as dance clubs available.
Sports facilities, shows, movies, anthing with entertainment value.
Unless maybe it involoved recreational pharmecudicals.
Having alternative venues would keep people that want to stay away from
alcohol occupied, but many people like the environment of the bars. Not
because they can get drunk, but because they can socially drink while they
enjoy things like dancing.
I think alternative activites would decrease the amount of dangerous
drinking because they would take the focus off of strictly drinking and
put more emphasis on the chosen activity.
I think it could go either way, some people might and some people drink to
get drunk so they arent' going to stop. I would like to see Conceals, rec
fac., substance free clubs
alcohol free dance clubs
Alcohol free dance clubs would be a good idea. It would have to be
accessable only to college students to affect University of Iowa students.
I know that neither I nor many of my friends would attend a dance club
where younger people were in attendance. The other problem that may
arrise is drugs such as ectacy are more popular in clubs where alcohol
isn't available.
If a student, wishes to get drunk with his friends he or she shall; the
area has ample non-alcoholic activites available.
Offering more alcohol-free events in the city would help a little, but if
underage persons and/or dangerous drinkers want to drink, they are going
to. There is nothing that the city or local law enforcement can do about
it.
I'd love to see an alcohol free dance club. PErsonally I hate drunken frat
boys rubbing up against me all night.
Drinking will always be present no matter the activities
Anything besides pubs.
Often people attend bars for social activity; alternative venues would
aid somewhat. I would like to see more concerts and clubs promoting live
music.
Students are always going to drink.
If students want to drink, they are going to do it. If students don't
want to drink, then they won't. Alcohol free places would be good for
students who choose not to drink.
i always go to game night at the field house when it is offered.
This is college, not high school
I personally would love to have a club of some sort that didn't involve
alcohol in the establishment where you could just go and have fun and not
worry about someone spilling thief beer on me.
People don't want to do these things. These are the things they already
do with friends when they want to. When students reach the weekend. they
want to go downtown, not shop.
Cheaper movie theaters and malls close by. like maybe making a large study
area/coffee shop at old capitol mall
All of the above plus bowling lanes closer to campus
People who want to drink, want to drink...they will not be satisfied with
an attempt to replace their fun.
I think it would help those who go to the bars b/c "there is nothing else
to do"
The answer is yes and no. Yes becasue it will give people something to do
other then go to bars. No, because people will still drink before going to
these venues (i.e. concerts, dance clubs, movies..)
because drinking is just something college like to do. It is a part of
the whole "learning experience."
Movies, recreational facilities.
But, only on an extremely small scale Theaters, concerts
There might be a few people that would take advantage of them. but lets
face it: college students drink to relieve the stresses of college life.
While those things mentioned above are at times appealing. your average
college student will leave those activities for when they are out of
school. The people that would go to an alcoholic free dance club are not
people that are contributing to any alcohol "problems" any way.
it would offer some alternative; concerts and recreational activities
concerts alc-free dance clubs
I'm white and i cant dance and have a fully good time unless i drink a
little to relax. People go to drink a little and dance a little and just
have fun.
I think it would decrease the sheer number of people going out to the
bars.
In many cities they have dance clubs where alcohol is not served at all.
This may be a possiblity. College kids want to go out, give them options
and they'll take you up on them.
Late night movies, all night field house facilities, and other sports
facilities. Just anything to vent stress in a healthy way while being able
to hang out with friends.
It's possible. I am actually skeptical. but I would like to see more
venues for nondrinkers. I think the nondrinkers are being ignored in the
attempt to lessen the drinking. Venues would be concerts, club type
places, someplace fun to go goof off and yet have a great time.
If a person wants to go out to the bars and get drunk, they are going to
do so regardless of any other activities that may be available to them.
there is not that much dangerous drinking._the adults of this town did it
when they were kids so they should deal with it
Any of these. None of them exist at the present time at night (without
driving).
People who want to drink would just go to the places that do serve.
People are not forced to drink, they drink because they want to, just like
they would go to a movie if they wanted to.
people who drink are going to drink
Venues are fun yet restricting drinking, the lightest of recreational
drugs, will increase the usage of other drugs.
It would give people something else to do besides go to the bar.
Student that drink would probably drink before these alternative venues,
or sneak alcohol in.
it would give younger people more choices of things to do on weekends..
they just may decide not to drink one friday night.. and who knows.. they
may even continue to have fun without alcohol.
more concerts and plays. ..maybe bowling or something too? iowa city is
pretty limited, and without a car it makes it hard to get to movies,
shopping, concerts, etc.
College is a time of experimentation and freedom so whether this
expression be through drinking, drugs, etc. high school type activities
(concerts, dance clubs. etc) will be unpopular.
It would give people a choice of what to do instead of limiting them to
house party or the bar alelima. A real dance club or a discount movie
theater (where they show new releases after it's been out a while for
$3~, instead of $7) would be a worthwhile undertaking.
as long as it is interesting, people will probably go there
Seriously, kids enjoy drinking. Heck, I don't drink and I wouldn't really
go to an alcohol free dance club because irs more fun at the bars.
Concerts are the best idea, but they would be too much money.
Yes, definitely! People basically go out that late for social purposes and
when social entertainment is available without the alcohol, people might
feel less pressured into getting drunk. But then again, the individual
impact depends on a person's reason for drinking.
This may work if the activities were fun.
It might create some alternatives to the "party school" atmosphere of UI.
Many students will continue to drink, but any alternatives would give
those "on the fence" an alternative.
Those places are lame. Times are changing and not many students want to
those places.
This would provide more options for students for things to do on the
weekends. There really aren't many alternatives to going to the bars,
Like I said in the last question, a great deal of students go to the bars
just as a time to relax and spend time with friends.
Perhaps some bars could have an alcohol free night, or if they have
multiple levels or rooms, designate one as alcohol free and in order to
get into an alcohol room you must show proof of age and alcohol is neither
served or alowed in alcohol free rooms.
Think about it kids grew up watching animal house and when they come to
college they want to experience that is some way. There are plenty of
things to do now that is just some old mans excuse or that of a student
with little imagination.
I think that there would be a decrease but it depends on what kind of
other entertainment is offered. Most people go to the bars and srink
simplybecausetherearenootherformsofenetertainmenthere. Alcohol
free Dance clubs, or simply just dances, and movie theaters would be a
good start to trying to decrease dangerous drinking behavior.
we need more quality concerts
Yes, definitely, because when you think of it, about the only thing people
do on weekend nights is go out and drink. There aren't enough other
interesting alternatives. Saturday night at Coral Ridge doesn't cut it
for people. Many people say they just go out to dance, so I think an
alcohol free club would be a start if someone would take the risk to start
one.
It would affect it minimally. Iowa City has a culture that encourages
alcohol as its main source of entertainment. Those who want to drink,
will. If not at the bar, at house parties. The University needs to
provide concerts and other bar entertainment. If anything, the University
should host events with alcohol and make sure that everyone merely drinks
responsibly. I would much rather go to a University event and have a beer
or two then go to a bar and blitzed.
I am not saying they are a bad idea. Anything that is an alternative to
drinking in this town is a good addition, but the people who want to go
out and get drunk are not going to change their minds if there is a new
movie theater
Alcohol free dance clubs and more movie theaters. Rec facilities would
also help out... more variety would reach a broader audience.
They might decrease it marginally. Once again, too many students come
here wanting to drink, thinking that is the only way to have a good time.
Drinking is ingrained in the culture of the University of Iowa.
People tend to really like to drink, so they'll probably drink beforehand
anyway. I fell that all ofthose ideas are good ones, and I would
personally really like to see an alcohol free dance club here in Iowa
City.
Rock Concerts!! (like an amphitheater that brings in big names),
This would definitely help decrease not only underage drinking but
drinking of all UI students. The best thing that could happen would be to
turn one of the movie theaters into a discount theater. Either student
discounts offerred or $2 admission, and make the last show start around 10
or 11 pm on the weekends.
At this stage in life it is normal for most students to test their limits
and alcohol Consumption is an avenue Students see as a means to test
themselves
Move an alcohol-free dance hall for young adults into the space left
vacant in the Old Capitol by JC Penney.
Very little. People like to do those things. but they feel that the
alcohol just makes it more fun. Plus, there will be those who go to these
alcohol free venues drunk just to be rebels. i'd like to see skate parks
and theatres,
Somewhat possibly. If there are other alternatives of what to do. you
don't have to go to the bar every weekend night. I think the I-Max
theaters sound really cool, and maybe some sort of recreational
facilities.
Alcohol free dance clubs.
Not everyone who is underage goes to bars is looking to get drunk. When I
was underage I just wanted to go dancing. it is probably very tempting
for a minor in a bar serving alcohol to drink. even if their motivation
for going was just to go out and dance. If there were places to dance
without alcohol, it might curb the underage drinking. Just make sure the
non-alcohol places weren't just for underagers. I'd rather go to a
non-alcohol dance club than a bar full of slobbering drunks.
alcohol free dance clubs. or if one night a week/month or whatever the
clubs like Q bar and spor[s column all got together to offer an alcohol
free night with fun events and such. it would tell people that yes it is
possible to go to a club and not get drunk and still have fun.
Yes, it would help discourage drinking because currently, when you ask
yourself "What is there to do in Iowa City?" About the only thing that
comes to mind is going to the bars. There needs to be a variety of late
night opportunities or else drinking will continue as the favorite late
night activity,
if kids want to drink they will, regardless of alternatives.
A good theater might be a good option to have in iowa city. There is no
way to prevent people from going to a concert drunk...
People will just drink before then.
i think the programs offreed in the dorms are a great thing. however,
those who have moved off campus are not able to hear about these things or
they are not allowed to participate.
I dont think there is much "dangerous drinking" as it is. If drink
specials and out of sight sales were eliminated it would create a much
worse situation than there already is. It would drive more people to
house party's increasing drunk driving, Also, with the bars, atleast it
is confined to a specific area.
It may help teenagers still in high school, but not university students.
I do believe that some students drink for lack of other things to do.
It's an easy way to have fun. Given alternatives, a certain portion of
the student body may choose not to drink when they otherwise would. This
idea beats the hell out of just raising the prices in the hopes of
bankrupting the students to the point of sobriety.
We are in college, we want to drink.
this is a difficult question. I went to a private school for two years
before i transferred here, it was a dry campus, and only alcohol free
clubs etc. We just had lots of house parties, and then went to the clubs
after we were already drunk. We hung out for a few hours and danced, then
went back to the parties. The only thing it will do is increase the
amount of drinking and driving incidents.
Students would have other places to frequent where alcohol is not a
staple.
Some people don't want to drink but just want something to do so they
drink. I think anything else that is open late at night would help a lot.
College students like to drink beer. After learning (generally firsthand)
why overindulgence is a bad idea, they generally start drinking
responsibly.
Becuse there so few fun recreation late in Iowa City
It would divert attention away from the bars scene. However, for younger
students. the allure of the nightlife will still draw them in.
I sit at home ever,/night doing nothing because I don't like and don't
agree with the downtown scene. It would be nice to have somewhere to go
that didn't promote drinking. I think many others would also leave the
downtown scene if there was something else to do in Iowa City at night. I
would like to see a nice movie theater and recreational facility (even
though the field house is nice, it's not open very late on weekends). The
best idea is for the university to by the old capitol mall and turn it
into a non-alcoholic hang out with a bowling alley, a good food court, a
movie theater, and any other activity that college students might enjoy.
I'd like to see more movies and legit theatres and some dance clubs.
Perhaps the school could sponser workshops in international dancing.
Again, I think promoting diversity and multiculturalism would help
increase knowledge and student diversity while decreasing drinking. For
such a liberal, open-minded area. the level of diversity is alarmingly
It may give people more options of things to do instead of just always
having to go to bars because it is there only choice.
I think that they like it the way it is.
lazer tag would be nice. but like I said people will just drink at home go
to these things then hit the bars. Students are going to do what they want
to do.
It would give the students something better to do. I am very disappointed
with the fad that Iowa City draws very few large act concerts.
If there is a fun activity, people will go to that, it is something
different, and people can drink whenever they want. I would like
activities that are free, like musical concerts, or comedy shows, or
karoke put on by the students.
IT'S COLLEGE!!!! It's just a fact, that college students drink while in
college for various reasons. and it doesn't matter if thera are
"alternative venues", kids are going to drink.
People will drink regardless. It is not possible to stop want people want
to do and that is to drink.
New Movie Theatre Concerts!
Cause people would have more choices. Movie theaters.
students will go, but they will drink before hand
Slightly, because often there are few options other than dancing/drinking
at the bars presented.
From what I hear people saying, the only reason people go to the bars in
Iowa City is because there is nothing to do. In my opinion, I would have
to agree with them. There is little to do in Iowa City. Anything that is
not drinking related requires a car or is not open late enough for
students to enjoy it.
Someplace that is as accessible as downtown that you could paintball or do
fun things like that without it costing as much as a U-Bill.
People would still drink if they wanted to.
The University needs to support more concerts and better movies at Bijou
to get students to decrease underage drinking
A concert late at night? What else is Old Capital for! I say the
university starts renting out space in there for alternative options. But
late night concerts and movies would work for me.
People do not like to go to places that are there only to enforce
prohibitionar~ thought. Dance clubs will turn out instead of having
alcohol consumed, more dangerous party drugs such as ecstacy will be
consumed.
I don't think many people would go to the other places, the bars are a
social thing...it doesn't matter if you drink and it doesn't mean you will
drink if you go there. You go to meet people and have fun with your
friends,
there would then be alternative activities for everyone
Because the Iowa City Council is comprised of old farts who feel that
since they are too old to have fun, why should the young college students
be allowed to.
We need better movie theatres with more screens for more movie options.
They would help decrease the problem, but not completely. Concerts and
dances are fun, but people usually drink before they go.
The bars will be packed, and plus decreasing the amount of people only
slightly decreases the amount of bad actions.
If something interesting was actually offered it may help the problem.
the bars are what make iowa city the place to be on the weekend
Actually, my answer to this depends on the alternative venue provided.
Although I have noticed that those students who do not wish to drink
usually find something else to do, venues that do not openly reek of the
Stepping Up Program (which not very many people find effective or
enticing, regardless of alcohol consumption).
I think that it would reduce the problem because there would be something
else to do. Right now in Iowa City it appears that the only way to have
fun is to drink. It is a horrible attitude to have, but what is being
done about it. There is not that much to do other than go to the bars.
Occasionally there is an alcohol free event, like the recent casino night
in Hillcrest. But, these are few and far between. Who wants to sit
around and wait for these once a month things to be planned. I think that
adding venues to downtown Iowa City would be a great idea. Live music
would be a plus as well as late night shopping centers. Also the only
movie theater in walking distance always seems to show the dumbest movies
that are out. If it showed better movies, maybe people would see a movie
instead of going to the bars.
College people everywhere will drink all the time everywhere no matter
what. Its just a matter of where they go or how much they have to pay to
get it. Nothing can curtail or distract students from drinking and having
a good time doing it. This isn't high school.
It would give people the chance to have fun without drinking. Concerts
would be wonderful!!
They might a little bit, but I'm not sure what will work
Drinking is part of college. When people come to college, many of them
also check out the party seen and believe it or not, it has a lot of pull
when a person is picking a college.
because people want to drink
Yes, because there is not much else to do around here that is cheap and on
a regular basis. Late night movies and alcohol free dance clubs are a
great idea. I know at least a lot of my friends simply go to the bars to
dance - and not touch a drink all night.
I answered yes, but I really mean MAYBE. It would depend on the type of
activity and the kind of people who go there. Non-alcoholic dance clubs
would be a nice addition to downtown.
cause there are more people that drink than dont' drink plus it's really
expensive to do all the recreation things here I would do them more but I
don't have money too It should be more like uni where everything is flee
tO USe
This would help some students on some occasions. It would definitely not
eliminate the problem by any means. I would like to see some of these
ideas put into action because when Friday night rolls around I cannot
think of many alternatives to the bars because ntohing is open. However,
once again, you must consider that I do not drink often anyways and these
alternatives may only cater to students like myself who are not part of
the problem you are addressing. Still, some ideas would be shopping,
Planet X type of establishments for college students, or just keeping
anything open later at night.
Concerts, sports competitions, possibly shopping...would be fun.
Everyone loves music so concerts are good. Back home we have a 24hr
fitness club where a lot of people play basketball real late. Also, most
of the people I know go to the bars to dance, so a dance club sounds good.
Maybe a local radio station could run it. Or, perhaps students who mix
their own records could have their own night to do the music and advertise
themselves to get more people out there.
Alcohol free dance clubs would be a good idea.
Most of those are already available and those that aren't always
available-like concerts-don't deter drinking. You can't create
alternatives for people that want to go out to the bars. They go there
because they want to, not because there isn't anything else to do.
Yes becausethere is nothing else to do in IC besides to go to bars, Dance
clubs Would be fun.
Don't know what I would like to see.
Drinking at college is considered a tradition in a way, and it is hard to
change something so set in stone in a short period oftime...if at all.
I think it would help only if the activities sounded exciting and were
cheap. I would like to see all of suggested activites.
Personally, I would rather be in an alcohol free environment. It's true
that not everyone shares my point of view, but I feel a good majority of
people would opt for a fun non-alcholoic event over the bars if it were
available and affordable.
One can't tell for sure, but it sure wouldn't hurt to try. It's not that
you have to drink alcohol to have fun, but often times it can help make a
boring time more interesting. Things like a closer bowling alley, late
night theaters (with up-to-date movies), alcohol (and SMOKE) free dance
clubs and more good concerts seem very appealing alternatives to smoke
tilled bars downtown.
The reason for drinking at a bar is because there is nothing else remotely
aftrecfive to do. After 9 pm in Iowa City, unless you have a car there is
nothing to do in Iowa City besides going to the bar scene.
Alcohol-flee dance clubs
18-21 year olds need something to do.
We have at least 12 bars in the near Iowa City area...is there anything
else to do besides drink???
It might help 2 or 3 people, but everyone else wants to go out, have a
couple of drinks and have a good time. Truthfully, the best way to do it
would be to legalize drinking for 18-year-olds and get rid of all this
bullshit.
yes if they were places that offered a realistically enjoyable
alternative. I would like to see more clubs and social activities on
campus.
I would like to see more late night movies and concerts. As far as an
alcohol free dance club-I doubt it would get much business, unless it was
for afterhours only.
more alcohol free dance clubs, but they have to have good music and a fun
atmosphere or it will become a flop. Maybe some card games or games where
someone wins something like money.
A queer coffee house would be really awesome.
A dance club, billiards, and bands playing in venues that do not serve
alcohol.
I think it would give alternatives to people, who just want something to
do on Saturday night. However, it is not going to stop people who really
want to drink from drinking.
Perhaps, I'm really not sure, but it would provide some alternatives to
the bars.
If there were a variety of things to do in Iowa City, people might be less
likely to use drinking as a sole form of entertainment. More shows or
cares would be nice.
This may give the students reasons not to drink.
I think a lot of the people that drink dangerously go out every night,
every weekend. I think that they believe that's what the weekends at
college are for. People who don't drink dangerously are the people that
for the most part go out to have fun and don't necessarily go out all the
time. I think those people would be more likely to try new activities, or
just not go out.
Anything. Being a non-drinker I find there is not much to do in Iowa
City. Going to bars is about the most entertaining. But who wants to
take care of a drunk all night? Having to go to a place where alcohol is
the main attraction for people my age is not fun for someone who stays
sober all night.
I think other options would help. As of right now, there aren't many
options. The aforementioned options sound good.
but that will probably never happen,,,no one has the initiative to do it
if it hasn't yet
Unfortunately, Iowa City is not New York City. We'll just have to deal
with it.
It would provide more things for students to do. Even if they still went
to the bars they might at least go less often.
concerts
This is a college town, people are going to drink no matter what it done
to try to combat it.
In general providing more opportunities should decrease the number of
dangerous drinking behaviors, but not by a large amount. Either way some
sort of reduction is better than none at all. Activities need to be
intriguing and fulfil student interests. Known bands playing at
non-alcoholic places. spods activities, cheap movies, well known
speakers, etc.
Kids need activities. Alcohol dance free clubs, other chapemned events.
More organized intermural activities (mainly sports) where you can just
show up, because plans make it diffucult do do things like that sometimes
coraville has a huge mall, a theater with 10 screen, yet i do believe if
big name bands were brought in for late shows drinking may decrease, but
this is not feasible
It would be wonderful to have other options for late night
activities--especially an additional art house movie theater. dance clubs,
or additional jazz club venues.
This might make a difference to some extent. However, I don't think a
large number of people will stop going to bars because of the social
aspect.
late night movies would be cool for the weeknights
many come to iowa so that they can drink
perhaps for the high school kids. but not for the university
after-hours basketball leagues, weight lifting, pools, etc,
There are a lot of opportunities to do other activities that don't involve
alcohol but students aren't participating in them.
maybe, it depends. Many students feel a need to drink because of a class
that is going bad, etc. I would say more concerts and rec. facilities
would be the best, I know i use the rec. center quite a bit and do think
the University needs more facilities like that.
It would only help a marginal amount, but more than limiting drinks and
such,
choosing to drink or not to drink is part of the college experiance.
People dont do it for lack of options of things to do.
More concerts and a big movie theater that has a good variety of movies.
More places with live music (like the Sanctuary), that don't only serve
alcohol but food too.
This would defintely help with the underage drinking in iowa city. I
would like to see movie theaters, skate places(ice, roller. or
rollerblading), something like planet-x, These are just a few. Also a
rec center that is open pretty late. There are many more than just that.
There aren't many things to do!
Alternative social settings are a good idea. These may decrease the use
of alcohol by a little margin.
alcohol free dance club
More theaters, better access to Hancher, more plays, comedic shows,
shopping...
NO--STUDENTS WOULD PROBABLY GO TO THESE EVENTS DRUNK ANYVVAY.
There are already alcohol free alternatives but people rarely attend them,
one example is game night.
I would LOVE to see a "thereed" dance club, sans alcohol. For instance,
since the 80s genre is totally "hip" right now. having a dance club that
played 80s tunes would be a fun place to hang out and dance with friends.
CONCERTS!!!!! and definitly more theaters
These things would just give non-drinkers more things to do. (But I don't
think they would be a bad idea!)
Most people look for alcohoFfree events to go to, but since there are
never any going on, they just drink instead,
It would be nice to see more activitys around in town, but those who
choose to drink will do so when they choose,
Movies would be great, conceals would be fun too.
shopping, concerts
because those buisness would lose money because no one would go there
People who want to drink are going to drink and go anywhere they want,
whether it is to a bar, movie theater or dance club. They will drink
before they go.
BECUASE THEN I COULD GO TO THAT! I would like to see a few alcohol free
dance clubs, especially of the swing/jazz variety. Right now, the only
option seems to be to go to the bars, and when you are there, you
inevitabaly drink
I think that more alternatives would decrease the drinking a little. Now,
people have very few options of what to do on a weekend night and if there
were more options I am sure people would choose alcohol free things to do,
People want to go out socially and have fun with friends and alcohol free
venues are limited, but students can have fun without alcohol if there are
fun places and things for them to do.
Many of those activites are available already. Feasibility of people
having social interactions while shopping at 12am on Sat night is severely
misguided
I think so, because it gives an alternative to drinking that would
hopefully be close to the dorms and offer things to do, Alcohol free
dance clubs would be a great idea.
More alternatives Could never do any harm. It would give students more of
a choice. A college town needs some variety, concerts would be an
excellent choice or just different things ever,/weekend.
Some people would enjoy going to a concert where alcohol is not served.
Maybe mud fight would help attract college student who are stressed out
from midterms. Enough said.
At this moment the most popular thing to do on a weekend night is to
drink, I feel a movie theater or alchol free dance clubs would be a
suitable alternative
Drinking is a fun way to meet people and have a 10t of fun. Drinking is a
necessity to a lot of people.
it might decrease a little, but not a large signi~gance
Some people honestly think that college is all about drinking. Possibly if
UI was a wet campus drinking would work its way out or become not such a
big deal.
Because everybody at this age wants to go to the bars have a couple of
drinks and have a good time!
concerts, movie theaters, but still, I want to be able to go out whenever
I feel like it.
Most people go to the bars not to dance, but to drink. However, I would
like to see a nonalcoholic dance club.
Kids wanting to get drunk will just drink, there are plenty of evening
activities already.
Having movie theaters that run later movies or non-alc dance clubs would
offer great alternatives to many people. HOwever. this doesn't mean that
people will not still drink. It would help though.
I wish there was a "somewhat" answer available. sometimes people want to
go to the bars to throw back a few beers and have a good time, in which
case this would have no effect. However. there are times that students,
myself included, have gone to the bars because there is nothing else to do
in this town. The only decent theater is at the mall, which is hard to
get to for people that don't own cars. There should be more venues, but
you MUST not forget that many people feel the bars are the only place to
go due to lack of transportation late at night.
I love going to shows...and that is one big reason I even go out to the
bars--to see bands perform some great music. As far as movie theatres go,
I have one word for you: Englert--need I say more? we should utilize
Hubbard Park to the best of our abilities and provide students with
recreational events such as Ultimate Frisbee tournaments, disc golf, etc.
Why not have barbeques or something with those things going on, a nice DJ
and charge students $5.00, which they can charge to their student ID?
That might be something wodh looking into.
But only if you could get people to go to them. Drinking is such a heavy
activity because it is one of the most widely available activities in
town. There are to many bars, and they are within an easy reach of all of
the students.
There are already many activities here in Iowa City that don't involve
drinking, and it does decrease the amount of people that choose to drink.
I'm not sure what more the community could provide. We already have Night
games. a very popular alternative to going downtown, and with all the
cultural events that come to Iowa City, it's hard not to find something
you'd like to do. However, the problem here is communication. Not enough
students know about all the great things going on, and defer to going
downtown.
I feel that if there were more things for students to do at night, they
wouldn't feel that the bars were the only option at night, thus reducing
underaged drinking. I feel that having more movie theaters or concerts in
Iowa City would decrease underaged drinking some, but not completely,
Part of the problem with Iowa City is that it has nothing to do (within
relative distance from campus) after about 7:00.
Right now I believe that there are plenty of alternative activities for
students to participate in other then drinking. The problem is that
students like to drink and will continue to choose going to the bars over
hanging out at a "alcohol free dance club."
Alternative venues do not lower the inabitions of students.
If there were other options for minors and even those of age I think it
might decrease the risk of people going out every night and getting
"smashed". But, as I said before, people will still go out and get drunk
when they want to.
most of these alternatives are already offered in the evening; I don't
think people would go if they were offered
People who are already anti-drinking will just have more to do. Drinkers
won't go to these functions. they already have choices (non-alcohol
related activities) that they choose to ignore. They will keep on ignoring
them, becuase they want to drink.
But only once they gained general status as 'cool,' on their own terms --
not ONLY as alternatives to drinking,
Dance clubs would be great. A lot of people go downtown to meet people,
this would be a way to meet people and relax without alcohol.
A dollar movie theater with older shows. A bowling alley in the Union.
Itwould give people other options, so they don't feel like they have to
drink to have fun. All of the above ideas sounded great, especially
concerts and movie theatres. Discount theatres would be nice.
There simply isn't that much to do after 9pro, and the bars are about the
only thing open where students can relax, dance, have fun, and drink a
bit.
Especially down in the ped mall build a facility or introduce a place
where you can learn about others
The only thing that is somewhat fun to do at night here is to go to the
bars. More concerts at cheaper prices, close by recreational centers would
be helpful as well. More movie theaters would be a big plus too,
especially if they were closer to the dorms than the bars.
All of these are already in place, except for the alcohol-free dance
clubs; I am satisfied with the night-life here in Iowa City.
Students are going to drink no matter what. This is the scene at the
University of Iowa. Until the university can have the image not of a
"party school," but as a responsible community who offer all of these
great alternative venues, then many more students in the "party mindset"
will flock to our campus.
Kids get drunk because that's what they want do... if they didn't I sure
they could find something else to do. It's a choice not a lack of
options.
Students in the residence halls who do not have easy access to a car (and
that is a lot of students) have few late-night activities besides the bars
and the theatre. I*ve heard that Planet X is pondering a move to the Old
Capitol Mall and I feel that it would be worth their while to do so,
Iowa City is inherently limited in the number or types of recreational
activities that it has to offer. For one, it is in the middle of a plains
state, in the midwest. Few bodies of water, or mountains, or big cities
nearby and accessible. Concerts, parades, non-alcoholic clubs are nice,
but college students will continue to find ways to incorporate ddnking
into the activities. For example, why not drink before event if it is not
allowed there?
Sure, they'd probably provide additional reasons for NON drinkers to go
out and have a great time, it wont stop the drinking that's already going
on! just because underaged students are let into bars, it doesnt
necessarily mean that they are there to drink.
actually, maybe, not sure
People go to the bars because they say they have nothing to do. If there
was something else FUN to do people would go do it.
It Would give both drinkers and non-drinkers alternatives.
people just want to be social..times are changing, what people want to do
is changing, too bad the elders and sophisticates of this town (and our
society) are too oversited to see this,
I don't think it would decrease the behavior. I think that the people
that don't drink, or don't care to be around the people who drink
dangerously would go to alcohol-free places instead.
if the field house pool had late hours I would swim all the time late at
night.
People who want to drink are going to drink. I'm not sure what kind of
alcohol free place I'd like to see around.
I actually think it might help some students, but others just want to
drink, that is what college is about, having fun and exploring without
parental rules.
I think that this may help some as well. Dance clubs would help for sure
as I know that I love the bars but I rarely drink. I go to dance.
when we go to these thing we might want to have a couple drinks to enjoy
our night more
It may have a slight affect, but as long as the attitude amoung students
remains as it is, it will not have a prolonged effect.
When asked why people go to the bars and drink many will say that there is
nothing else to do!!
These things already exist, and don't seem to interest the people who just
want to get trashed.
Because drinking is a large part of society. If anyone were to check the
bars in the surrounding areas they would also see that people tend to go
to the bar there also. I just think that the whole situation is blown out
of proportion. Drinking is a large part of college life, and if people
think that it only happens here I invite them to visit any other college
campus and see if there is a difference.
People drink because that is what other people do. If there was a fun,
viable social option, it would decrease drinking.
first-run movies, comedy club
Sounds like a good idea. If anything, all it is is just another option
for nightlife. The world is too damn inhibited to stop drinking,
therefore not much will change.
Those who want to drink still will and those who don't Won't.
Whatever it was it'd have to be cheap
I can see having more oppurtunities for late night things help the
'problem' but only of they're marketed the right way.. as of now, going
out to the bars is 'the thing' to do, when you have your friends come
visit... the main event is going downtown... I would be interested in a
good club where you could go dance, and if we booked more events at
Carver..,
I think so becuse many feel that is all there is to do, go to the bars or
stay in. There isnt really a good mall in IA City. I know a lot of
people who like to dance, but dont like the guys who grope them and who
are drunk. maybe a dnace club that is dry would be something. Or maybe
late night movies.
NO alcohol means no fun!!!!
EVERY COLLEGE STUDENT I KNOW DRINKS, IT'S A COMMON CHARACTERISTIC.
I think that concerts, open mic nights, and maybe a better selection of
movies in the downtown area would at least give people another option.
Drinking more responsibly should be stressed instead.
sometimes it is good to do something different
Perhaps, I definitely think it's worth the effort. I grew up here in Iowa
City and there never has been much to do. The scene has always revolved
around the downtown area which is heavily populated with bars. I would
love to see more concerts in this town- is the University scared?
A lot of people just WANT to drink-they want to party and get drunk. and
that's that. Even if they did want to go to a concert or something. they
would still most likely drink before hand.
There are already a lot of things to do in Iowa City without drinking and
it hasn't stopped the drinking.
An alcohol free dance club would be good because many people go to the
bars just forthe dancing, This would keep underage students from being
tempted.
My answer is yes and no. Some student will try it but not everyone will.
Concerts, etc.
All of the above are good ideas just build them, make them inexpencive and
advertise them.
I answered no bacause most likely the same people that had been going to
the bar will continue. My answerof no doesn't mean that these ideas are
are bad ideas, in fact they would probably be a good idea, but i don't
believe they would decrease underage drinking or dangerous drinking
behaviors.
possibly, but not by a large amount (personally i love the idea but can't
think of any good ideas)
College students want to drink, it is a fact. No amount of other
activities will decrease that. Some may choose to go to the alternative
venues sometimes, but there will be no noticeable decrease in consumption.
If we had more concerts and a close movie theater that students could walk
to, many less students would go to the bars.
NO,.,that is just a silly question to ask,
possibly. but they have to be things that would be interesting to go to.
some people are die hard drinkers and nothing will change their mind and
others might be persuaded to go to them. but the thing is those that go
and drink don't really do just because they don't have anything better to
do. they obviously do it because they want to. I know plenty of people
that don't drink and they don't go to the bars. they stay home or go out
to a movie. they still may be bored at times but they don't go out and
drink because they have nothing better to do.
I think underage people are searching for something to do late at night
and bars just seem to be the only thing open for social activities. I
would LOVE to see some alcohol free dance clubs in iowa city. Cedar
Rapids and the Quad Cities both have them. It could work.
This is a college town, no matter what you do their will always be
drinking, If alternatives were offered the people that would go would be
the people that didn't drink anyway.
They might...but there would still be underage students drinking.
Concerts and movies are good alternatives.
I think that it would decrease it a litle.
People may say they only drink beacusr there is nothing eles to do, but
that is not true. People will just start drinking at these events or
drinking at home.
I feel that it would help lessen the underage drinking, but I fell that it
will never be totally stopped.
b/c the people who want to drink are going to drink- it would be nice for
those of us who enjoy these types of activities though-
I would like to see more concerts not held in bars, and see more
well-known bands come to Iowa City.
People would rather get drunk. They might go if they could get drunk
first.
Kids don't want to go to these places. There are plenty of alcohol flee
places to go already. Kids that want to drink are still going to drink.
And if they already don't want to drink, then more than likely they aren't
drinking.
I think that a lot of students believe that bars are the only place to
meet people and once they are exposed to that atmosphere they sometimes
think that drinking isn't so bad or that again it will help them meet
people I think that an alcohol free dance club would be very well recieved
There's nothing to do in this city except drink. A rave or some sort of
dance place where drinks are not served. just water and pop, would be
good. Karaoke place is good, too.
One of the few activities availible in downtown Iowa City is going to the
bars. I would like to see an alcohol-free dance club, late-night movie
theater, and/or a bowling alley, withing walking distance of downtown.
more outdoor concerts in the ped mall
I think it would help a little bit, because for the freshman without cars
and that live in the dorms, there really isn't anything else to do on a
weekend night. I would really like to see a movie theater showing a
variety of new releases. It would also be cool if there were concerts in
town. If many exciting things and events were put up and happened in Iowa
City on the weekends, drinking would go down considerably. Another thing
is, the events and buildings would have to be in walking distance and be
reasonably inexpensive. Give the freshman something to do on the weekends
and the number of underage drinking tickets would decrease incredibly!!
stop looking up the wrong tree, will ya?
I think it might give more options for groups to hang out or couples for
dating.
Some people at the University feel that the only place to go on the
weekends is to the bars. Maybe then there will be another alternative for
them, but not necessarily decreasing the drinking rate.
In my hometown, all of the listed options have failed because they didnt
seem to provide enough entertainment for the people -- they would rather
get drunk. I think the same thing would happen here at iowa. I also
think that Iowa would lose a lot of it's good reptuation among the student
body and perspective students.
Many times when people drink it is due to a lack of alternatives. If there
was more to do downtown, I feel that this would prove true and be far more
effective than setting limits on bar owners' prices. For me, more movie
theatres and concerts would be a healthy alternative to drinking.
Underage students drink more for thrill than for drinking itself.
I am not sure because I don't know is available.
Maybe
We will drink no matter what, it's what we do.
Concerts, dance clubs, things for UI students and non-students.
college kids are goin9 to drink. its part of 9rowing up, people may think
that is dosen't need to be but the fact is it is; and there is nothing
wrong with it.
if something exciting enough would be there as an alternative, of course.
If people were going to be there-it would be just like the bar scene.
There is one thing wrong right now, people think that the bars are the
only thing to do on the weekend. With positive community help the bars
could be a second option to kids not the only option.
People like me are going to still want to go out with friends and have
some beers after a week of class, If there is concerts and what-not,
people might be more apt to smoke weed and experiement with mind-expanding
drugs, and that is not an ordeal we want in Iowa City
drinking and dancing is what college age students want to do. I cannot
think of an alternative that 18-24 year olds would choose over drinking.
Take the Zen approach and go with the flow. See if there is any way to
make money off of this,
During the weekends, college students do not want to go watch a movie or
go shopping. They want to drink and get drunk. And I am not taking this
from a biased opinion because honestly, I do not drink that much at all.
I actually do not like getting drunk, and i know more people like me, but
all my friends love to go out and pady and I want to be with my friends
on the weekends. The bar atmosphere is just very fun to everyone and not
something that will becoming out of s~yle any time soon, no matter what
else there is to
The people who would take advantage of alternative venues aren't the ones
with drinking problems.
I would love to see something like Night Games at the Fieldhouse every
weekend. It would be also be great if we could renovate our Memorial
Union more like other campuses where we could have a bowling alley or a
movie theater. Late night alcohol-free dance clubs are also great.
it gives students an alternative activity; similar to the purpose of nite
games
Some people just want to drink. These people would not be affected by the
alternative venues. However, many students drink as a social activity;
these people may find (as I do) that some of the alternatives listed above
are more fun than going out to the bars.
I don't think so. Aren't there already alternatives?
I wish that the movie theatre would stay open later like they do at most
places in the US. More concerts with big name bands would be nice too.
Possibly, most students feel that going to the bars are their only option.
If given more of a choice, students may choose those instead of drinking.
people do what they want to do and that tends to be drinking
It might, just because it would be something else to do instead.
The people who would patron such establishments aren't the ones causing
whatever problems you folks are so troubled by.
I think people would attend, but they would consume alcohol before they
attended. Conce~s would be cool especially if there were some big names
coming to the city.
It might but most people who drink do it because they like it not because
there is nothing else to do
The althematives in place now don't do much so more alternatives probably
won't help. People in college always have and always will like to drink.
Not much can change that. I think there needs to be more focus on keeping
it a controlled environment rather then trying to stop drinking overall.
The majority of people who drink to excess drink that much because they
like to.
I think providing late night alternatives would decrease drinking, but I
don't think it would be a large decrease. There would still be planty of
drinking downtown,
Yes, but not by much. ~ would like to see a smoke free dance club, I
don't care if they serve alcohol.
I think that maybe a juice bar would be a good alternative. As for me, I
love to dance and socialize. Perhaps I would consider going to a great
dance club that is non-alcoholic.
I wish there were some better movies that played in town...but how are you
supposed to compete with Coral Ridge? A bowling alley would be great.
There's no bowling in Iowa City! Come on! Oh, and if the University
would get some good bands to play more than twice a year, maybe people
would go to that to.
If there are more alternatives to the bars, people wouldn't drink so much.
I would like to see more concerts in town.
Many campuses that have a big city and other close venues have many other
opportunities to do other than drinking.
Same as above!!!!
Lots of people don't like the bars because of all the drunks. If there was
someplace else they could go to hang out, dance, meet people, they would.
absolutely i've gone to coral ridge mall ice skating on friday nights with
my girlfriend as opposed to going to the bar
dance clubs for sure - more gyms etc. open later too.
I believe movies, shopping and expecially concerts would help out a lot.
Plus if we had something similar to a Planet X type thing closer it would
help a lot.
Concerts
NO one goes to Night Games if they would rather be at the bar. It is
ridiculous to think that people who drink are just going to stop because
there is an alcohol free dance going on.
Geeks and high schoolers go to those places.
Practically the only thing in Iowa City at night time is bars, so they
definitely need more to do! I think more concerts from well known bands
would be one way to go and also a theatre closer than Coralville or have
the Cambus run later routes to Hawkeye Storage.
People who want to ddnk, will drink. People who don't want to drink,
won't.
People. especially college students like to drink and do so because they
think they will have a better time. I also think that the number of house
parties with alcohol will increase, possibly causing more people to drive
to places that are not really within walking distance from their
residences.
I have personally been to the bars with friends many times because there
was nothing else to do. I would love to see more comedy clubs. I can't
think of other recreational activities. but I would definately like to see
other options.
People who want to drink. drink.
I go to bars because nothing else is going on. we need a decent movie
theater in walking distance and more concerts here.
24 hr. rec. facilities to give people something to do.
Their isn't much to do in IC besides drink
It's all about price...students will see a movie but it's $6.50. Students
would go see concerts, but the prices are ridiculous. They need things
that are FREE.
People won't go, they'll just find somewhere else to drink
if ther're other things to do late night, I'm sure less people will drink
I would like to see all of the above activities, but I would attend them
if these activities were no-smoking.
PEOPLE ENJOY TO DRINK AND THEY WILL, NO MATTER WHAT PEOPLE TELL THEM
It would just provide more things for the people who don't drink to do.
I agree with the above statement only to a certain extent. Those people
who want to drink alcohol will do so regardless of the many other social
activities available to them. Iowa City already offers a wide variety of
late night activities (ie No Shame Theatre, movies, coffee-houses, etc.)
The college students that this will affect won't want to shop on friday
nights. The ones that don't drink now will more than likely be the only
ones who attend.
When I was a teeringer I used to go the First Avenue Club almost every
weekend, at the time we didn't even think about trying to get into the
bars, plus it was closer to my house. I would like to see more similar
alcohol-flee dance clubs.
That way the UI students will have other places to hang out. They will not
have to hang out in the bars.
Most people go out at Iowa City to get drunk on a Fdday or Saturday
night, not to go shopping or weave baskets. So, Iowa City should not
waste their money on that like that.
This down definatly lack in musical venues. I know that I would much
rather go see a good concert than go to the bars.
recreation such as basketball or ice skating.
HOWEVER, THE ENTIRE ATTITUDE OF THIS GROUP NEEDS TO BE CHANGED THAT YOU
CAN DO MORE WITH YOUR FRIENDS THAN GET DRUNK
Those who drink dangerously will not take advantage of these alternative
venues.
There already is options like these available. But such a small percent
of students use them (and will use them) because these venues are thought
of as "uncool".
IF there are more activities, specifically concerts, for students to do,
they might not spend as much time drinking.
2:00 AM at Field House every night and concerts.
There are no other options close to campus. The are no restraunts, no
other activities to do. I think a theater, a few restraunts. a coffee
house are all things that should be open late.
Maybe if that person didn't drink in the first place!That is like taking a
wild beast out of its environment. When these people are used to a certain
way of life than it will be hard to all of a sudden adapt to that type of
change.
maybe somewhat, but people will still drink and go to the bars no matter
what else is avaliable
I for one would like to see more things available at night within walking
distance of campus. Right now, the bars downtown are...pretty much it.
More movie theatres, something like Planet X in the Old Capitol Mall. an
alcohol-free establishment (and smoke free while you're at it -- I'd
prefer to keep my lungs, thank you).
This isn't so much a no as it is a not out of the current population. Not
that I am against these sort of things, I'd like to see them in Iowa City.
We need to have more of a night life than just the bars. But I also think
for the most part, people who go to the bars regularly might not want to
go somewhere else, if nothing else out of force of habit. But placing
making concerts, shopping and movie theaters available at night might get
people from forming these habits in the future.
A cool cafe will do!
As young adults feeling a new found sense of independence, we are expected
to act like adults. Drinking is concidered an adult activity so why
should the standards be different for drinking as they are set for the
rest of our lives. We are going to take part in drinking regardless.
Copy the atmosphere that attracts folks, create an environment that is
safe for everyone, and pray that demand meets supply.
Kids are always going to drink, you have to realize this first, no matter
what alternatives the city may offer. But it would be nice to have more
concerts come to town.
Leave people alone to decide what they want to do. It is impossible to
socialize college students into behavior not involving alcohol
More musical performances! Music is very important to the students that I
know and many of them frequent events at Hancher and area bars.
Sponsoring local jazz. r&b. and rock groups would drew a bigger crowd than
one might think while at the same time giving me a cheap date idea.
all of those, especially the dance clubs and the concerts. I wish Iowa
City would bring more headliners. Also, what is the definition of
dangerous drinking behavior?
More university support for the Bijou. also, people need to realize that
this university is in iowa and that they are trying to stop students from
drinking, this means that this school's rather uncultured population will
not give up drinking and the possibility of getting layed to go watch an
opera or ballet. provide them with alternatives like sports, etc.
The bars are what make Iowa City what it is
I think that late night activities such as rec facilities would help to
curb a little of the underage drinkers. A lot of people feel that there
is "nothing to do at nights" in Iowa City except to drink alcohol. IF
other activies that were to be stimulating and a bit energetic was
available, that might curb some of the frustrations that students have
about the limited number of late-night activies in Iowa City.
Maybe, but good late night venues such as jazz bars, a place that has a
variety of Good entertainment.
One of the biggest reasons evep/one goes out to party is because there is
nothing better to do and people want to have social interaction with their
friends, A college club with music. games, bowling, movies etc, might
help.
Because it is an excellent atmosphere
The bar scene is too fun. It's what college kids do, study and drink. It's
been that way for years, and it's probably going to say that way,
I think there is alot to do already other than drink. However, students
simply choose to go to a bar or party because they would rather. Night
Games is a good idea. Coral Ridge already has ice skating rink. To make it
short, if students do not want to drink they simply wont,
Perhaps they would decrease dangerous drinking behavior, although this too
relates to what I said above, that the ways our culture views drinking (as
a problem and not as part of our culture, as some European cultures do)
creates problems in and of itself. As for late night venues, dance clubs
would be a great addition, as well as all-night cafes/coffee bars.
Because there isn't that much dangerous drinking behavior in Iowa City.
So they know how many drinks we have. Do they know how many fights or
rapes or buildings we set on fire? I mean, the only people that get
arrested in this town are put in jail because they're drunk. Not because
they're dangerous.
Dance clubs where the bar is not the main attraction, with live DJs
A variety of choices other than the bar may deter some from drinking,
especially freshmen that haven't been a part of the Iowa City bar scene
for very long.
There is not much to do in Iowa City but drink, I would do other things if
there were places where me and all my friends could hang out
This I could see helping. For me pulling in a better movie theater close
that plays good movies and is not more expensive than 3 drinks at a bar,
might persuade people to go. Also, getting some more concerts in town and
some big names could really help.
People drink to be social not just to get drunk. I love going to the bars
and having a couple drinks to loosen up. i have never gotten to the point
where i am out of control and i don't think that the majority of hte
people drink to get out of control either.
There will be more parties off campus
These would give kids more options. I think it would be good to have more
concerts and other events.
Maybe for a little while, bowling, movies, rec centers etc...
Drinking is part of the life of college kids all over...if you stop it
here then I would say expect people who enjoyed it to move away from or
never come to the University of Iowa.
I would LOVE to have alcohol free dance clubs and i know tons of people
who would go to them. i also know that night games is also popular, so if
something like that was always available, maybe that would help.
alcohol free dance clubs, concerts, and recreational facilities
If they had 9ood concerLs people would definitely go...other than that the
city is going to have to see that we're young and we like to drink_simple
as that,
Conceals and almost any recreational activity would help decrease underage
drinking. There is nothing else to do, so even/one goes to the bar,
Because right now all there is to do really is go to bars, and even/one
feels they have to drink once they're there
Better movie theaters, really cool dance clubs, popular Concerts, pretty
much anything that is current or attracts college age students would
decrease drinking. The only thing to do here is go to the bars or parties
and drink,
Those who want to drink will, those people who do not would probably enjoy
those activities. I would personally like to see something such as
GameWorks or Dave & Busters or other places along the lines of Planet X in
downtown as alcohol alternatives.
I do not think that it would decrease it enough to make it worthwhile.
People are still going to have to pay for these events and therefore, I
still think they would resort to drinking.
I de not think the answer is making Iowa City a dr,/community. The bottom
line is that in a young college town such as this excess drinking is going
to happen
Having options open to students might alleviate some of the pressure that
they feel to go drinking.
Because college students love to drink to relive stress, be socially
accepted, and have a great time.
There are many people out there who choose not to consume alcohol. Let
them have something to do besides 9oin9 to a bar.
There is nothing to do in walking distance from campus and the surronding
areas. Students have nothing better to do, so they drink.
It would give us something else to do! Coral ridege is far away for those
who don't have cars. A shopping center with a nice theater with recent
movies would maybe help. Other dance clubs, cuz some of us don't have to
drink to have a good time!
I think it would at least decrease the frequency that some people drink.
They to face it, in Iowa City the majority of downtown, close to campus,
is bars!
It might. A club or underground-sort-of coffee house would keep underage
folks busy..... Coffee Cellar used to perform that function but they were
forced out of buisness by the downtown bar economy. It has to be a place
that students can walk to....It has to be downtown. But only bars can
make enough money to pay the rent downtown. Sad, huh?
Gives a better and cheaper alternative to to drinking. nickel arcades,
dollar theaters
people don't want to ice skate, they want to get drunk and have sex
It MAY, just because drinking gets old and new ideas are enticing to
students. I think the most effective venues should be changed monthly to
keep interest among studnets.
Students would have more options for entertaining themselves. So, maybe it
would decrease. Personally, I would like for there to be a larger movie
theater located closer to campus. The Old Capitol mall needs to fill there
empty spaces with new stores. Maybe the mall could also extend its hours
on Fridays and Saturdays.
There are no decent restaurants in this town; we need more. A movie
theater or two with shows after 9 pm would be helpful.
not sure
People like to drink. There is an image in this society that when people
go to college they go to parties and have some beer. Crappy concerts, or
shopping is not going to change that idea for the majority of people.
think all those alternatives would do is give people more options to avoid
the bars if they want to.
the main one that needs to be open are the alcohol free dance clubs... a
lot of people go out to simply dance and have a good time, possibly
without the intention of drinking, but if alcohol is present, they may be
apt to partake. Unfortunately, those who want to ddnk ain't gonna care
about any other options
I think it would decrease the number of people in the bars, but the only
people who wouldn't be there, would be those who wouldn't drink anyway.
I don't think that it would, because the hot spots would still be the
bars.
My actually answer is maybe. Think about it... What else is there to do on
a saturday night around here? Cowtipping? The choice is usually wither
stay in or go out. There are already a large number of activities that go
on. It's the individual that has to make the choice.
I would like to see dance Clubs, concerts and other recreational
facilities.
A multi-dance club with swing, salsa in a smoke and alcoh01 enviroment.
ALcohol free dance club, better shopping, malls open later.
Yes, but not very much.
Dangerous drinking behavior starts with the person, not the environment,
Anybody that feels the need to "get wasted" and becomes dangerous can do
so on any corner with a case of beer or bottle of liquor. I also feel
that "hardcore" drinking staffs before a person goes to the bar, not
inside one.
There are alternatives now that are not used.
The bars are open until 1:30, where else can you go and stay out this
late? I really can't think of any other social gathering that could be
offered to take the place of bars.
Cheaper movie theaters. Who wants to spend $15 for a ticket a drink and
popcorn for a 2 hour movie, when they could spend the same amount and get
drunk which provides an entire evening of fun.
Like I said before, people like to drink and they will do what it takes
to be able to do what they want
If there are more non-alcohol events to participate in then less students
will drink. I would like to see more activities sponsered by various
organizations. Maybe Blacklight bowling, or dances at the IMU, Just
something to do other than go to the bars every Thurs, Fri, Sat.
The same people will still go to the bars 99% of the time. The new venues
would only most likely interest people who are not "regular'' bar patrons.
Drive in movie theater, concerts,
Because it would give us an alternative to have fun.
They might help, but only if they were well done. No student wants to
attend a lame alcohol free event. The bars are very social, the alcohol
abuse is just as likely to happen in residences. The bars simply provide
a more social atmosphere which probably reduces alcohol abuse because
students are busy mingling.
I think it would decrease the drinking slightly, but I can't see it having
a major impact.
There just isn't a lot to do here, which is why I think that people drink
a lot. If there was something else to do, drinking would probably go down
Earlier mentioned, drinking IS an important part of collge whether leaders
care to admit it or not!! It will go on regardless of what measures are
taken.
The more activities thero are out there the more spread out the drinking
will be. If decent alternatives are provide they wil be acted upon.
Because right now there isn't much to do. If there was stuff to do other
than drink, more students would take advantage of those opporunities.
People drink because it's taboo. Underage drinking will continue, nobody
can stop it.
The activites need to be local and accessible.
theaters!
We are student in college. Some of us choose to drink, some of us don't
this isn't going to change.
Some people drink because they're bored. Theatres, local band venues smoke
and/or alcohol free, rec center (billiards, basketball, etc.)
most of these already exist-the whole idea of going to the bars is to be
in a social environment that you can see lots of people that you know-not
too many people are going to go to an alcohol flee dance club~even if they
don't drink
UISG Drinking Behavior Survey Question #11
General Comments
11. Which of the following actions by the Iowa City Council do you think would be most
effective in decreasing hinge rates in Iowa City?
Choice Votes Approximate %
Limiting access... 110 8%
Increased law enfor... 60 5%
Restricting special... 111 9%
Setting min price... 62 5%
Working to provide... 315 24% **
Requiring wrist ha... 54 4%
Limiting # of alco... 24 2%
Encourage business... 99 8%
Mandatory ID scann... 49 4%
Making bar owners/... 240 18% *
Other 176 14% *
Total 1300
Executive summary of responses
The main theme of students' responses is that City Council can't stop hinge
drinking, because most people go to bars to get drunk. Therefore, most students
felt that drinkers will find a way to get around any rules that City Council passes
against hinge drinking.
However, most students also felt that there are several steps that the city council
can take to reduce hinge drinking in Iowa City. For example, many respondents
called on bar owners to monitor and act on people with excessive drinking
behavior. In addition, some people felt that hinge drinkers might be deter by
higher fines, and that students should be educated on the dangers of binge
drinking.
- Summary by Chih King, UISG
11. VVhich of the following actions by the Iowa City Council do you think
would be most effective in decreasing binge rates in Iowa City?
Choice Votes Approximate
Limiting access... 110 8%
Increased law enfor... 60 5%
Restricting special... 111 9%
Setting rain price... 62 5%
Working to provide... 315 24%
Requiring wrist ha... 54 4%
Limiting # of alco... 24 2%
Encourage business... 99 8%
Mandatory ID scann... 49 4%
Making bar owners/... 240 18% *
Other 176 14% *
Total 1300
Tell the bars not to serve minors
Limiting acess to those over 21 is the clear choice.
this might encourage students to visit other bars out of town
21 year olds binge drinking is ALSO a problem. If you set stricter age
limits 2 things will happen: 1 ) A significant number of students will
decide not to come to the U of I as drinking is the primary rec activity
for 90% of all college students. 2) More keg parties and dorm room
drinking will occur causing probably even more binge drinking problems and
public disturbance problems. Case in point: Iowa State!!!
people are going to drink a lot no matter what. the people who are
categorized as "binge drinkers" already spend a lot of money at the bars.
not much is going to stop them from drinking that much, except the people
serving them being able to realize some one is too drunk to have another
drink.
I feel that whatever is done may have a slight effect in decreasing hinge
drinking at first, but that no matter what it is, students will find a way
around it if they are intent on drinking. And although I don't feel that
binge drinking is smart, I believe that we are ultimately responsible for
ourselves, and that choice should be left up to us as individuals.
Increasing law enforcement would limit fake id's. Minors would be a lot
less likely to try to get into a bar if a cop was checking id's.
When I say police them selves I mean take more responsibility with
watching those that are acting completely out of line. Maybe those being
21 should get a punch card when they go in allowing them to only purchase
So many drinks. That would definitely limit the quantity that people
drink. And if it was low enough, then those under 21, most likely
wouldn't drink because those over 21 wouldn't want to waste punches on
someone else,
I also think that the wrist band idea is good...and the scanner thing for
checking fake ids....both of this would deter the shy from going
out...however once agin won't solve the problem because those who drink
out of control do it for social reason and emotional.., .get to the root of
this....also if people don't drink at the bars they will drink somewhere
unless you have something as an alternative_that is why other late night
activites is my number one choice...give the people an opportunity to so
something else...
Nothing, if people want to go out and drink, they will find a way
I don't think that there is anything that the Council can to to decrease
the drinking. If there is a will there is a way. Besides, if the CounciJ
restricts it even more that it already is, I would guess the rates in
binge drinking will rise. Just because you're being a rebel if you drink
and you aren't 21.
I don't think the city council can stop it. If people choose to drink
then the avalibility, circustances, and consiquenses can't be changed
with an act or acts from the city council.
it has already been proposed, but i guess this survey forgot about the one
drink per customer per trip to the bar
Being 21 has nothing to do with binge drinking, All of the above laws
would do nothing for this problem. A lot of drinking goes on in people's
homes, not just the bars. Education is the only way to approach this
problem.
There are enough police in this town and they need to find something
better to do besides going to bars.
Those wishing to drink underage will just get drunk before they go to a
bar.
This would make a dollar go faster. (VVhats this deal with 21 pitchers of
beer on your 21st birthday?)
16/18 age limit like Europe(to curb binge drinking)
Many students are already drunk when they get to the bars, so it's not
always the bar owners' faults.
leave us alone. The only reason people come to this school is for med
school. law school and the bars.
The only way to stop drinking is to make all bars 21, but then people
would get fake IDs.
VVhy do binge rates need to be decreased?
Nothing.
VVnat people need to understand is that Iowa City is a college town,
drinking is going to occur no matter what, whether that be in the bars or
at house parties, it will occur. I don't think there is much that can be
done, if anything that will decrease "binge" rates. What I think Iowa
City needs to look at is how lucky they are to have these bars within
walking distance from apartments and dormatories. This greatly cuts down
on drunk driving which is a big problem elsewhere. One suggestion that I
think would also help get people home after a night out with less "noise
or vandalism" as stated in the previous questions is keeping the cambuses
en mute til two or three am and expanding there destinations to some
apartment buildings.
Limit the number of bars that are located so close to campus. There are
too many bars downtown and in walking distance of the students. If there
was simply less bar space to attend there would be less people going.
none of these is going to decrease binge rates. all of them will decrease
underage drinking (publicly) but not binge rates. Prob. 80% of the people
who go out to the bars, binge drink (by definition)
More police officers is definitely not the answer, there are too many
already that are on powertrips to bust students any way they can not for
the students' protection or well being but solely to get them in trouble
and make them pay.
Most binge drinking doesn't happen at bars, it happens in dorm rooms or at
parties.
In Iowa, drinking is a social thing. That's just the way things have
evolved. To try and change this is like attempting to throw a wrench into
a person's culture, the very thing that gives a person a sense of identity
and security. This issue is one that's just not going to be very easy to
adjust.
i don't think most of the binge drinking occurs at the bars - it's at
house padies
I don't believe that you can decrease this. People can get alcohol in
places other than bars!! Don't punish the rest of us because of some
people who can't control themselves.
Nothing. Literally nothing will work.
Trying to control binge drinking is like trying to control
alcoholism...it's a huge problem. education is a key, but I really don't
know how to make people be better and more responsible. If people binge,
they binge...either until they wise up or die. How do you make someone
stop hating their life long enough to realize binge drinking isn't really
that great?
i really think they are doing all that they can do- people can only drink
if they are 21 and the cops are always out and about- that's it they can
do nothing else
Educate people to be smart and responsible, not stupid.
It is really the responsibility of the individual person to make sure that
they don't over drink. However the bars themselves can do a much better
job of making sure that someone inside of their building isn't allowed to
overdrink. I've witnessed people who were obviously drunk to the point
of passing out give someone money to go buy alchohol for them. Out of
sight sales are a big problem at the bar and a major contributer to the
problem is the lack of responsibility taken by the bars themselves.
Both working to provide late night activities and getting places to stay
open later are good ways to curb the binge drinking rates in Iowa City,
I think that all of these are excellent ways of dealirig with one (of
several) contributor to the hinge drinking problem. (Bars are certainly
not the only place that binge drinking is happening.) If binge drinking
is largely a problem for younger, underaged drinkers, then the solution I
like best is to make underaged drinkers themselves be held responsible.
That is, underaged drinkers found drinking in bars should be penalized
more. with high fines and either community service or attending alcohol
awareness workshops, similar to traffic school. Money and pride are
important to these youngsters, so the cost of hefty fines and the
embarrassment of attending alcohol awareness workshops may be enough of a
deterrent to keep them from reoffending. Ultimately, we are all
responsible for our own actions. Not others.
i think that if you are 18 years old and can live on your own, than you
should be able to drink. Look at other countries that use this law, it
Works.
I was out tonight and there were raids everywhere. A lot of people just
went home. Ifthey're more likely to get caught, they'll be less likely
to do it.
lowering the drinking age
None of these things will work, I might keep students out ofthe bars,
but they'll just find somewhere else to go where they can drink.
ID's can be borrowed or faked, wristbands could be sold to the highest
bidder. Employers want to make money. I think all of these ideas
enforced together may make a difference, but there will always be people
tryin9 to beat the system.
Things are fine. Nobody has died recently from drinking at a bar, only
frat houses, I don't see a problem. Students will drink... a lot and
that is a fact of life. No law will stop this. Possibly this could make
things worse causing students to DRIVE into other areas to get away from
Nazi Germ... I mean Iowa City to have a good time.
Some of these are good ways of decreasing hinge rates, but is that what
the huge problem is? We are in college finally away from our parents, we
want to have a good time, live the college life most of use we grow up and
those that don't won't make it through school. All that these laws will
do is limit us from the college experience that all you voting on these
new regulation got to experience.
I just don't see any of these alternatives changing the hinge rate for the
city. Certainly they will limit hinge drinkning in bars themselves, but
not overall. It will just relocate where the drinking takes place.
Offering other activities is the best way to get those "who just drink
because it's the only thing to do" away from hinge drinking: Personally,
I don't think the hinge drinking problem is anything new. The ultimate
solution is shown in European countries where they have lower drinking
ages. But that is a national issue, not a local issue.
limit access to 21 year olds, and force wrist bands, also make laws more
strict for underage drinking/possesion of a fake i.d,
I think the only way to curb hinge drinking is to put the pressure on the
bar owners and proriders of alcohol and hold them more accountable. Set
something up where if a significant crime occurs under the influence that
a percentage of blame on the alcohol prorider and make them pay a fine.
Nothing will help, except making alcohol legal across the board. This
decreases the forbidden fruit aspect of it, and people won't be so tempted
to imbibe as much of it in case they don't get another chance until they
are legal.
bar owners and esp, employees already suffer to high of a price for this.
limiting business in the downtown area is NOT a good idea esp. regarding
coral ridge mall and super wal-mart
Limit the number of drinks that can be sold to a person.
fake ids, and 21 year olds buying for minors are the biggest problems.
Also, minors feel pressure to drink, because it is illegal. If the
ddnking age here was like that in other countries, there would be no
problem, cause people would grow up and be responsible about it. I guess
our Puritan heritage causes a lot of kids to lash out irresponsibly when
they do have the freedom. There is no solution to this problem, in the
long-term, other than a fundamental change to the way people think about
consumption - scare tactics aren't going to work, ever.
I don't know ifthera's much the city can do to curb binge drinking. There
will always be ways to get large quantities of alcohol, so if people want
to do it, they will. Education is the key.
limitting under-age people in bars doesn't stop drinking. only where.
Those over 21 are still binge drinkers too so the problem still persists.
None of the above solutions really make a difference. The only way to stop
binge drinking is to make other alternatives that are interesting and fun.
If you want a very effective action I think that limiting the bar access
to 21 is the way to go. I think that the other options will work as well,
but none of them are going to limit it like changing the age limit.
Change societal standards concerning drinking. And make being intoxicated
an unpleasant experience which is impossible since its cheif purpose is to
make you feel a certain way.
If the owners are held responsible by the city then perhaps they would be
more careful about checking ID's and serving obviously intoxicated people
more drinks.
If reserve police checked IDs at the door less fake IDs would be used.
Self-policing is the optimal choice. Again, in big cities police are
rarely in the bars except for protection/security. More clearly
identifying minors or legal may help as well. However, to achieve
self-policing a bar can't have underage bouncers and bartenders serving
their underage friends. The most effective in controlling binge drinking
rates and not just policing is to educate students on RESPONSIBLE
drinking. There are 40 yr olds who can't drink responsibly and there are
18 yr olds who know how to social drink responsibly. Laws and arrests
won't stop someone unless they know how to drink responsibly in the first
place.
Stop allowing people to take surveys. A great man once said "there are
lies, damned lies, and then there are statistics" -Ernest Hemingway
People will always drink. But if there were more alternatives they would
drink less.
The problem with Iowa City, unlike big cities, is that bars serve to under
age students, most of the time, without even checking for a stamped hand.
Underage students drink, and this is empirically proven with the amount of
PAULY citations issued by the iowa City police in the bars each year. In
larger cities, restaurants and bars will lose their liquor license by
serving to underage students. The lack of effort by the Iowa City council
to follow through leads to no enforcement here, VVhile this does not mean
students won't drink off campus, the police, et al., must do their jobs by
enforcing the law. If bars serve to underage kids, the bars should lose
their license, and the bar tenders should be fired,
Make 21 year olds wear a wrist band. and allow them to buy only one drink
at a time. Maybe a mandatory wait (10 minutes?) before buying again.
the i.c. council will never be able to decrease the binge drinking rates
through any action of there own. students who want to and choose to drink
are always going to have oppertunities to drink. attacking downtown will
just move the drinking into houses and appartments where there is no
regulation. the only way to decrease the binge rates is to change our
thinking of alcohol as a whole across the nation. why does the united
states restrict the consumtion of alcohol until the age of 21 ? this law
does absolutely nothing to curb underaged drinkers. in fact it most likely
increases it b/c of the allure of breaking the law and being a rebel. i
believe that the majority of people in the u.s. would agree that the
drinking age is rather pointless. my own parents had different legal ages
when they were in college. were they really more responsible w/alcohol
than students today?
Nothing.
None of these will work. If you want to curb underage drinking then make
bars 21, however it will increase house parties. Law enforcement will only
cause for more tickets, of all of my friends who have recieved a ticket,
it doesn't matter since a vast number of students have also recieved one,
it is almost a joke. Restrict price specials and students will drink more
in their homes. Set a minmum price and students will drink more at home or
before they go out so they are already drunk at the bar. If you provide
other late night activities, they will cater to students who are
currentely seeking something besides drinking. Wrist bands aren't much
different from stamps and we all know what a waist that is. People will
trade them, give them to their underage friends and then go back and get a
new one themselves. If you limit the number of licenses, more people will
go to those bars, unfair to the restaurant/bar community. People will
still go out, they might just do so later. The Airliner had an ID scanner
and I was appalled that though I was 21, my expired license worked! I also
was amazed to find out that it will read the same license twice in one
night. people just pass back ids. The bars goal is to make money, you can
try to restrict them. but a $1000 fine when they are bringing in thousands
of dollars a night isn't much.
making the bartenders more responsible and allowing a certain amount to
patrons to consume.
I could possibly see this as one way you could decrease binge drinking,
even though I do not like it. If a bar tender could resonable tell that a
person was heavily intoxicated and served them a beer, I could see this as
a problem.
There are already to many police at night. If they limit ages into bars
people will drink at home or at parties.
You can try whatever you want, but as I said before, there will always be
somewhere to drink.
Establish drink maximums at bars. Hard to enforce but possible.
as much as the city wants too try, decreasing binge drinking is a task
that is out of thief hands.
the reason the legal age is 21 is because 21 year olds are more mature.
Remember how immature you were at 18, or 197 Now take that level of
immaturity and add alcohol. Mandatory 21 bars are the only answer!
I think the easiest solution is to get rid of all you can drink specials
and specials such as quarter draws. These specials just give people an
excuse to drink excessively. If people have to pay more, they will buy
less. Economics
Price specials just encourage people to drink as much as possible for as
little as possible. As applied to alcohol, this is dangerous.
Make stiffer penalties for undemge drinking. If people knew they were
going to get in trouble when they drank, they would probably be less
likely to do so in the first place. The last time I checked, it was
illegaltodrinkundertheageof21. I don't understand why the
penalties aren't much steeper and why this behavior has been tolerated for
so long.
You'll find that 21 year olds don't get so hyped up about the drinking
scene once they are able to drink legally. Look at ISU, It will just plain
cut down on the ddnking rates.
Even 21 + year olds am prone to hinge drinking. The drinkers have to
exercise msfraint.
Requiring wrist bands for 21 year olds; encouraging business' to stay open
later/offer late services would very much help, as well.
I don't really feel that it is that much of a problem but from my
experience there is really nothing they can do. Students will always find
ways to get around the rules.
Lower the drinking age to 18, if it is not illegal less people would be
tempted to do it.
I'm not sure. People will get fakes if you limit the access age to 21.
People will pay money for something they really want to do. The people
with wristbands will "secretly" give drinks to those underage. Limiting
the number of licenses would be a difficult task. What are your
requirements going to be in order to obtain a license? What will you base
it on? Late night services? Such as? People will use a 21 's ID to get
through the ID scanner. Bar owners and employess won't police themselves.
They just worry about making money so they can provide for themselves.
They don't have the right to tell someone that they can't drink any more.
Restaurant owners don't stop people from ordedng all the food they want.
People have to decide for themselves. If they want to drink so much that
they throw up, let them. If they don't learn, that's their problem. It's
called free will.
There are ways around any rule that would "curb" hinge drinking. To
effectively "get rid of the problem" you need to give people other ways to
socialize.
A lot of those ideas are good in theory but I don't think that they will
solve hinge ddnkin9 problems. the only way to do that is to change the
attitudes of the students who are hinge drinking. restricting the
students behavior will only irratate them and they will eventually adapt.
If you can actually convince them that hinge drinking is bad for them then
you would have something going. but all I can say about that is Good
Luck.
Come to realize that them is nothing wrong with the way that iowa city is
running the situation. All of these proposals would increase dangerous
drinking.
possibly set up a system where a consumer can only buy a certain number of
drinks each visit to the bar. a wristband system possibly
Education is the key. The only way to stop someone from binge drinking is
through their own power. So, if theyre educated on the effects and
conciquences, hopeully theyll make an informed decision.
Limiting the age will only create more drinking in other places, which
Could be even more dangerous when there's not anyone around to help.
Increased law enforcement is the only thing i think that will work
Forget about it. The more you do to decrease this, the more people want
to do it
realize that kids are going to drink, regardless of the location, and it
would just switch to house parties or at home
This and going to the European method -- gradually introduce alcohol by
lowering the drinking age but increasing penalities for misuse.
i don't really think that anything really can be done. the university
should just be happy that the problem isn't as bad as some other schools
A lot of people feel like the only options they have in Iowa City on the
weekends is to either stay home and watch a movie or go out and drink.
There isn't a lot in between.
responsiblity of all people drinking and running bars, scanners, making
bars 21
Making the drinking age 19 - if there isn't a challenge to ddnk fewer
students will think it is "cool."
i think a combination of the actions may be best, as many times one
individual thing may not be enough.
I don't see one specific action as being effective by itself. A
combination of alternative events, wristbands, ID scanners and
self-policing would greatly reduce the drinking rates.
I think that it is time people just accept that it is too late. That is
Iowa City. That is why people visit us. We are fun to party with. They
write newspaper articles about it. It gives the city a fun atmosphere. It
has been like this for too long to try ot change it now. Plus, people come
to college to learn and grow. To learn from their mistakes. That is what
high school and colliege is supposed to prepare us for...the rest of our
lives. And there is not always going to be someone following you around
making sure you don't drink too much or stay out too late. What are
youteaching people if they can't learn from their mistakes? I say let
people figure it out on thier own. That is what life is all about.
Nothing is going to stop underage drinking, if they take away the bars,
kids will just drink in their dorms or house parties which will cause many
more problems.
Even if the bars are 21 and over, people will still be let in.
I would choose scanners to only let in people that are 21.
I dont feel that there is much of anything that the City Council can do to
limit hinge drinking. Putting restrictions on students is the wrong
course of action, however as it is only going to make them rebel against
that "law" and take further, more dangerous, steps to fulfil their need to
drink. I dont condone these actions; I simply recognize the reality of
the consequences of "rules,"
Mandatory instillation of breathalizer machines in all bars. I believe a
lot of people drink and drive (the most risky of drinking behaviors)
because they underestimate their true blood alcohol content. A bar in
Cedar Rapids used to have one of these machines, and I never saw anyone
decide to drive after realizing they were over the legal limit.
i dont find any of these actions will do any good
I really don't understand how anyone expects this "binge drinkning" to
lessen without a huge cultural shift. Taking away a 19 year olds right to
go to a bar is not going to lessen there desire to drink. If anything it
is going to make alcohol seem like an even more forbidden fruit and there
are going to be more and more house parties. Eventually people are going
to die, people who would have been cut off at a bar. These ideas are like
throwing water on an electrical fire.
I think a combination of many of these would help. Especially increased
law enforcement, more night time activities, and restricting price
specials especially! Also advertising AA!
Encourage students to act their age, instead of making others responsible
for adults.
i wanted two of them, Increased law enforcement and I think the wrist band
is a good thing as
Nothing, college kids are still going to act like college kids.
Nothing at all. People will find a way to get drunk regardless of what you
do. It is a human characteristic with a long history that no laws will be
able to change.
Perhaps the city should reconsider the credibility of the new catch phase
"hinge drinking", makes a great slogan for headlines, dosen't it? The
specifications of a "binge drinker' are usually terribly distorted and
often ignored in order to jump on the "binge drinking" bandwagon. They
then use this support to promote their own private agenda. The only
reason why everyone at the University of Iowa is a "binge drinker" now is
because some guy from harvard with a PhD started calling us that in order
to make a name for himself.
There is no way to change peoples mindset. If it does not occur in the
bar, more parties will occur and binge drinking will occur there
None of the above will reduce it. These actions would just take binge
drinking out of the bars and to private houses, where there is a higher
risk of other effects like rape and fights. These are the things you
should be worried about
Making bars financially liable for excessive drinkers that get too drunk
at their bars. Reduce the birthday specials, e.g. 21 pitchers for 21
dollars, to a lower number, e.g. 10 for 10.
As I read this question, I look through the choices and try to find the
answer that is "most effective". Unfortunately, there is no effective
answer. If somebody wants to "binge", they will, and there is nothing
that the city council can do about it. Period. When a person has in their
mind that they are going to get loaded, that is what they are going to do.
All that the city council is accomplishing by trying to control this
"problem" is making criminals out of students. They are not being a
solution to the overall problem. They are just making the problem worse.
More police, less tolerance for the behavior.
Cessation of enforcement of underage possession laws in order to end the
atmosphere similar to the Prohibition Era combined with the use of freed
police time to patrol the downtown area to arrest those who are guilty of
public intoxication
Changing the college culture and give people more freedom to do creative
things such as music/spor~s/art.
Bartenders can tell if someone has had too much too drink, so it would
help if bartenders did not sell to customers who have obviously been
drinking too much.
If there are less younger people in the bars.. the ones at the bars Would
most likely be a little more responsible..
If you limit access to the bars-underagers will get fakes. if you restrict
price specials or set a minimum drink price, then it'll increase the
amount of house parties since it'll be cheaper to go to a grocery store.
wrist bands won't deter anyone because the underagers will find someone to
buy for them as they do now. Limiting the bars will do nothing but
increase the capacity in the remaining bars if you don't offer alternative
activites. Nobody is gonna shop at midnight, but coffee shops or
restaurants with music would do well having later hours. ID scanners still
doesn't solve the problem of having legals buying for underagers at the
bar. Bar owners policing themselves means babysitting their customers and
that doesn't work if the people drinking the alcohol aren't the one's
buying it. Giving people another option than going to a bar is the way to
go.
Tough problem. Unfortunately, the best answers seem to be education,
alternative activities, and law enforcement. Regulating the bars will not
affect binge drinking. since it can also occur in unregulated private
parties, as it commonly did at Iowa State. Even a dry town and campus
wouldn't completely stop that practice.
Refocusing the community from eliminating drinking to a responsible
drinking culture. There will always be bad eggs, but the University
should make it safer for those who drink. Keeping the cambus running
later, allowing people to leave their cars downtown overnight w/out being
towed, using police to focus on maintaining a safe environment instead of
persecuting 60% of the University population that Binge drinks.
Binge rates have nothing to do with age. I think that the only thing to
do would be to not come down on this issue so hard. That way, half the
excitement of doing wrong is gone. I think that might lower the binge
rates.
Bar tenders need to be able to refuse service to those whom are out of
control
Revoking liquor licenses for bars that break the terms of their liquor
licenses.
Even though i dont agree with this i think after a person gets a $145
ticket they would be more careful
also the bars need to whip themselves in shape. the other weekend, i went
to jakes. they were charging 50 cents for beer. i was designated driver
and so i ordered a coke. they charged me $1.25! i am so outraged
Once again, student don't just drink downtown, and if you make it harder
form them to drink downtown, they will just go somewhere else. Anyone who
says otherwise is out of touch with the student body. Give them a reason
not to drink and you'll see the rates go down.
The bars aren't going to try to stop people from drinking since they want
the business so someone else needs to step in.
levy fines against bars for public intox violations also. Ecourage bars
to refuse sales to visibly intoxicated patrons. Target these visibly
intoxicated during bar checks.
I don't think any ONE thing will be effective, but I think if the bars
were to police themselves and know when to stop serving alcohol to
intoxicated persons.
Wrist bands are a great idea, also I think having off duty cops, IN
UNIFORM, bouncing at bars is a solution to the problem, trust me, no one
is going to use a fake ID when a cop is checking them at the door.
Encourage bars to kick out customers who are obviously a danger to
themselves or others. Many already do this. but by encouraging them to,
and maybe even by handing them over to police, could greatly assist the
binging problem. ALSO MAKE FRAT/SOR system dry... but i know that's
irreasonable.
There is already enough being done, and they better not increase the
amount of cops becuase they dont get them all anyway. and they are a
problem to us over 21 people.
I think what really needs to happen is a social change. Right now, it is
o.k. to drink heavily in Iowa City as a student. If social pressures were
in place that frowned upon excessive drinking, we might see more
responsibility being taken by the individuals.
Making under-age drinking penalties VERY, VERY strict.
Combined with making bars more accountable.
It is difficult to reduce binge drinking, because it can take place
outside of the bar.
Working to provide other late night activities would be a start in the
right direction, but I don't think it should be the cities business to
decrease the "binge" drinking rates. They're not trying to tell smokers
how many cigarettes is enough. Why does it seem this is something they
feel they need to control? I understand the concern over "2nd-hand"
effects of over-drinking, but I don't know that that's such a large
problem.
I think that would be the best thing because then if the bars had a
reputation of stopping the sales of alcohol to intoxicated people,
students would not want to go to those establishments.
None. No matter what, people are still going to srink large amounts of
alcohol. Whether at bars or house parties, the binge drinking won't
decrease. If you have looked at an statistics at all, University of
Illinois cut out pretty much all the programs for drink specials and put
in ID scanners at their bars, and now everyone goes to house parties which
are a much more dangerous environment for drinking. Let it be. Don't fuck
with it.
Taking the focus off drinking. Keeping the focus on regulation is only
going to make the students find easier means to get their alcohol. If
they want to do it they will. You have to make them choose not to on
their own. By finding better things to do and realizing you can have fun
without alcohol will be far more effective than restrictions on drinking.
If you plan on limiting access to bars to those over 21, you HAVE to
provide other late night activities or the problem won't go away.
I think many times the bars allow too many people inside and this causes
everyone to be a little more crazy, Bartenders should also be a little
more perceptive to when someone has had enough to drink.
More things to do at night will make people do something else besides
drink. You dont know how many times i have decided that there is nothing
else to do. so we drink.
Raising prices on drinks is not a good solution. It is not fair to the
people who are 21.
These things won't have any effect on binge rates! It will just make the
Iowa City Council feel good about themselves, because they see on paper
that there is less underage drinking. There are other places to drink
than the bars, and there are ways to get around not being 21 in the bars.
The limiting of total alcohol sold in one area.
It would be a sure thing, a fake id wouldn't be processed hopefully. And
then bouncers couldn't "let their friends in" without being held
acountable for it, if the scanners had records of all the people that came
in. The people coming in would have to be legal.
Maybe open up a crack house or something. You know, sometimes you have to
fight fire with fire, or in this case, with some high quality Colombian
cocaine. Enough said.
If someone wants to get drunk they will find a way to. However, if you
give some other options, they'd choose those other options. I know people
who just drink because that is all there is to do so that is how they are
social.
Although the age enforcement of 21 would probably be the most effective-
nothing will become effective enough to decrease the overall drinking. It
will happen one way or another.
Limiting access to 21 and over is fine, but part of the draw of college
life here is the downtown "scene". Increasing law enforcement,
restricting price specials and setting a minimum price for drinks are all
very bad ideas, and would not only hurt downtown business, but would
increase recreation away from downtown areas and carry it into less
heavily patrolled and less expensive private locations. All ofthe other
ideas may be good suggestions. They would have to be tested.
If only 21 year olds enter than there is no underage drinking in the bars.
Very simple. ID scanners would also eliminate fakes.
Refuse to sell alcohol to those people who look like they've had too much
to drink already.
I think that we need to find an alternative to drinking activities. I
know that I am 20 years old and I would hate it if all the bars went to 21
because I like to go and dance. The majority of those at the bars are
underage so if bars go 21 then what will all of those students do for fun?
if you make wrist bands for 21 year olds that sucks because we are legal
to drink so dont put us in discomfort. have employees not let their
customer get that fucked up
Wrist bands, mandatory ID scanners....maybe they could put cameras
everywhere and focus a satellite on IC at all times....Then, by 2004,
we'll be living in 1984.
If the city started revoking liquor licenses for underage drinking
violations, it would help a great deal.
I don't think that any of these options will decrease binge drinking.
People will find other ways to aquim their alcohol if they can't attend
the bars. There will also probably be a lot more parties on campus.
Making people more aware of the consequences involving binge drinking.
Better inform students and encourage more responsible drinking. If you
tell them they can't drink, then they will want to do it all the more.
A combination of some of the above mentioned. I definitely do not believe
in increasing the law enforcement- around here they are not respected. I
think there should be more things to do in this town for the younger crowd
(ex: juice bar with bands) something that does not revolve around alcohol.
I don't really think any of these will help much. There are ways around
everything. If you want to get drunk you will find a way, no matter what
stupid rule gets enacted. It's college, which equals parties, bars, and
drinking, and that will never change. And it shouldn't.
No matter what is tried, nothing can stop binge drinking. If you look at
the definition, it is something like 3 drinks in an hour. Every college
student who drinks binge drinks.
i really couldn't say. i just know that there are ways to get around all
of these. i have seen it done. or maybe somehow limiting people a certain
number of drinks. but again, ways to get around it.
Limiting price specials & licenses will not stop people from having
parties, and neither will ID scanners, wrist bands, etc.
i also think that limiting the # of licenses in the area, providing
alternatives and making the bar owners more responsible would help
This is a college town and most people are students that have for the
first time in their lives are away from their parents. There is nothing
that I can think of that will help to detain this problem.
I think that combining some of the above options would be a good idea. I
know that the club that I go to in Davenpod allows 19 and over in, but it
requires wrist bands for people 21 and over. I think that the ID scanners
would be a very good idea while also encouraging other non-alcoholic
activities.
late night activities and businesses to stay open later
You throw the kids out of the downtown bar area and allow them to roam
around all of town in going to and coming from house parties there is
going to be more civil disturbences throughout the city. Keeping most
drinkers, downtown in a coralled and controlled enviroment will actually
help the binge rates, with bouncers throwing extreme drunks out of the
bars.
while limiting access to bars to those over 21 would be the most ideal
choice. this would create an overflow of underage students on the weekend.
there is no where for them to go. it is very difficult. at this point, to
close the bars to underage students. providing other late nite activities
would be the best alternative.
Some people will binge no matter what--whether in their
home/apartment/dorm room/Greek house or in the bars. The former is
especially difficult to regulate and probably will never be done away
with. Binging that takes place in the bars, though. could be done away
with by getting bar employees to stop serving a customer that has already
had too much.
You can try all of these things, but the fact is; college students are
going to go out and drink. If they don't go to the bars. they'll go to
house parties where it isn't controlled and they have a much higher chance
of getting into drugs and other things. Also, minors at the bar can
always find a 21 year old to buy them drinks.
The problem goes way beyond the UI. It's a societal matter. Why do you
think <i>underage</i> kids want to drink? Does the word underage possibly
have anything to do with it? There is nothing favorable or positive the
UI can do to decrease the underage drinking rates in Iowa City. More
stricfiy enforcing the rules as a universtiy measure (i.e. dorm
regulations, etc.) is one thing and net necessarily unfavorable as there
are issues of students being disturbed by those who drink. However,
stricter enforcement of the rules as a city measure (i.e. more police bar
raids. etc.) is just another way the city of Iowa City looks to exploit
its hold on the university and more specifically its students. This city
flourishes mostly in part to the university and would be nowhere close
economically had the university not been established. Ultimately, it is
the students and their families who are responsible for Iowa City's
prosperity.
Making it so that bartenders don't serve already drunk people more drinks
Personally, being a college student, i don't think that there is much that
anyone can do to limit the intake of alcohol. Alcohol, just like many
other drugs, is availible to those that want it no matter what. The
people who want to drink are going to. Drinking is a social activity that
has been a part of college for a long time. This is going to continue,
The focus of drinking should be to limit the number of people who drink
irresponsibly, not those who drink underage or othewise.
None of the above. Limiting access to bars will simply encourage people
to have more house parites. Increased law enforcement will only work at
handing out more tickets to people who don't even have a drink near them.
Restricting prices is bad business and a hassle for people who are of the
legal age, special prices or not. Other late night activities are fun,
but people will still go the bars. Wrist bands will be ineffective, as it
is is easy to remove one and put it on your own hand. Limiting the number
of alcohol licenses is not a good idea, as the companies are just trying
to do business. Encouraging business to stay open later might work
sometimes, but people want to go out and have fun dancing and drinking.
Mandatory ID scanners? It might stop fakes, but it wouldn't stop
drinking! Bar owners can only tell their employees what to do, they can't
monitor their every move, so the owners cannot truly be held
responsible--the employees might be.
NONE...especially not increased law enforcement. Law enforcement will not
prohibit drinkers, they only punish for the aftermath, I think that
students are going to want to limit there drinks...therefore I think the
only alternative to decreasing binge rates to to open up alternative
venues.
Increased penalty for underage drinking. What is it right now? $1857
Make it something outragous like $400 per offence. I garantee that'll
stop it. It would're stopped me...
All these options encourage people to go home and drink or go to parties,
They have nothing to do with decreasing drinking rates in Iowa City.
Limiting access to the bars will leave a large group of obnoxious people
with nothing to do, but vandalize. People will get around extra law
enforcement. Restricting price specials will upset the students who will
revolt in a way that will hurt others, or properly-same for minimum
price. Mandatory ID scanners is just a wasted added cost to
businesses-people can still by for others.
Mandatory ID scanners and wrist bands would probably be most effective in
limiting hinge drinking.
No matter what happens, kids are going to drink, whether it be in the bars
where it can be contained or somewhere else.
bartenders need to know when to say no to a client, when they have had too
much and shouldn't be drinking
right now, there are very few activities, other than drinking, for
students to do on weekend nights. This is a time when students feel they
have to relieve stress, and options seem very limited.
Binge drinking cannot be effectively controlled by law enforcement, rather
it is a personal issue for everyone whether they want to binge drink or
not. Instead we should have programs that teach students about binge
drinking.
Bar owners need to employ more bartenders on busy nights and employ some
sort of game to recognize the same person that comes up for drinks 6 times
in an hour. They should also be instructed on how to recognize someone
who has had too much and have the guts to cut them off. Considering most
students don't drive to the bar I really don't think this is an issue.
College students are responsible for their own choices and should not be
policed by the city in which they live. Older adults are not treated in
this same disrespectful manner when they want to drink. It becomes more
fun to drink a lot when that's the exact thing someone (who has no right)
is trying to stop you from doing. Do I have the right to stop people from
smoking because we know that it's addictive and most of them will die from
one smoking related illness or another? I don't think so and I think the
city of Iowa City needs to severely reconsider their actions that are
starting to infringe on the rights of adults. Making the campus dry was
enough. This is the time during life when people experiment.
educationals to younger children
Bar tenders and owners need to reserve the right to refuse service to
those individuals that they feel may have exceeded their tolerance. They
also need to utilize that right.
Basically all these would work to keep under age students out of the bars.
However, by doing this, the use of false ID will increase in order to gain
admittance, off-campus par~ies and alcohol sales from liquor stores would
dramatically increase. So The only real solution would be to discourage
drinking by offering students alternitive pastimes.
I think limiting price specials or setting a minimum price for drinks is
unfair to those of legal age that drink responsibly. Why make drinking
more expensive for them? Limiting the access to 21 would only create
problems elsewhere and would do nothing for binge drinking among those of
legal age and the bar owners and employees are probably not going to be
more responsible anytime in the near future so that is not a good option.
Don't ruin a good thing Iowa City has going for it...don't kill the fun
spots that are right there for our enjoyment.
This would include encouraging businesses to provide late night services.
I also think bar owners/employers should be held more responsible also.
It's a risk and responsibility that they have to accept when they sell
alcohol to anyone even under age drinkers. sell alcohol to anyone
Making sure that the waitresses and bartenders DO NOT serve to underage
students
sometimes there aren't any other places to go besides bars.
Nobody can impose any action that will cause a person to drink below the
binge level. Just the drinker and possibly their friends. The bar could
if they don't sell to that person but in a crowded bar with many workers
to sell to that person that would be near impossible.
promote safer drinknig, offer rides home and also more recreational
activities
Eduacate the younger children and teenagers to a greater degree because at
this point in our lives, it is too late to stop our alcohol fondness.
I don't think the bars is the place to target this....binge drinking takes
place in the home or dorm room. Students get fake IDs. Price
requirements would only make a class distinction in who could binge drink.
I've seen people on the street many many times bragging about how much
they spent at the bar the night before. Binge drinking has to become NOT
COOL, otherwise people will continue to do it.
if kids want to drink, they're going to drink. there's nothing you can do
about it. you're good intentioned I know, but if you think you can stop
kids from drinking you're suffering from dillusional hubris
The city needs to realize that people are going to drink, that is final.
If they want the students to be safer, they need to teach kids how to
drink responsibly, not send them to house parties with zero supervision.
After 8:00 everything but Pancheros and the bars are still open. I like
shopping at night, but ther's nowhere to go.
I picked this option because of the people that claim there aren't enough
options for weekend fun. They are the ones that seem to be having the
problem. If you satisty them, hopefully the bitching will stop and the
city can be at piece.
More alcohol awareness programs.
It shouldn't be their top priority now. There are serious drug issues in
the county and economic issues that need to be dealt with ~rst...Iook at
the budget cut of a non alcoholic alternative, Riverlest.
I think requiring wrist bands and having business owners enforce
themselves will help the problem. To expand upon what can help, the city
or university should run buses to transport students throughout the campus
at bar closing time. Cars left downtown are towed and tickets are given.
It's a lose, lose situation, Drink and drive or get slapped with $10
worth of tickets or $70 for the tow.
As I said, most students are drunk GOING to the bar...this means that
something needs to be done in retail sales or in policing these folks at
the college campus.
getting students to talk about the times that binge drinking has
dramatically effected their lives (drunk driving arrests, killing someone
while driving drunk, being raped, etc...)... mandatory community service
requirement to graduate involving some aspect of the consequences of binge
drinking...(RVAP, etc.)
LlloB
UISG Drinking Behavior Survey Question #12
General Comments
12. Which of the following actions by the Iowa City Council do you think would be most effective
in decreasing underage drinking rates in Iowa City?
Choice Votes Approximate %
Limiting access... 110 8%
Increased law enfor... 60 5%
Restricting special... 111 9%
Setting min price... 62 5%
Working to provide... 315 24% **
Requiring wrist ba... 54 4%
Limiting # of alco... 24 2%
Encourage business... 99 8%
Mandatory ID scann... 49 4%
Making bar owners/... 240 18% *
Other 176 14% *
Total 1300
Executive summary of responses
The general feeling of the University of Iowa students is that even if city council
takes drastic measures to curb underage drinking, there will always be underage
drinking in Iowa City. If the bars become 21-only, the minors will still have access
to alcohol through house parties or friends.
However, there are several steps that the city council can take to reduce the
amount of underage drinking in Iowa City. For example, many respondents cited
ID bracelets and mandatory ID scanners as a good way to discourage minors
from consuming alcohol. In addition, the City Council should provide alternative
entertainment options for students in general, such as concerts, non-alcoholic
dance club, and bowling bowl alley.
- Summary by Chih King, UISG
12. Which of the following actions by the Iowa City Council do you think
would be most effective in decreasing underage drinking rates in Iowa City?
Choice Votes Approximate %
Limiting access... 239 18% *
Increased law enfor... 54 4%
Restricting special... 12 1%
Setting min price... 5 0%
Working to provide... 323 25% **
Requiring wrist ba, .. 164 13% *
Limiting # of alco,.. 11 1%
Encourage business... 83 6%
Mandatory ID scann... 131 10% *
Making bar owners/... 151 12% *
Other 127 10% *
Total 1300
Tell them that underage drinking is bad.
nothing will work
Once again! Students are NOT going to stop drinking. You can't stop us.
We will find a way.
have mandatory alcohol tests
Once again, I feel that whatever is employed, students will find a way
around it, The late night activities would probably be the best because
it is taking the students away from the bars that might not really want to
be there anyway. But it still won't change the students who are intent on
drinking.
Lower the drinking age to 18, duh!
None of these ideas will work. Only abolshing the drinking age will have
any effct on this problem.
ID bracelets and scanners would work. 21 year old limits would also help,
but at what cost.
and the wrist band....people wouldn't be able to use a fake anymore..and
the wrist band who make underage people stick out so they could be spotted
better at bars when drinking
I don't know because nothing can really be effective now a days.
I don't think that there is anything that the Council can to to decrease
the drinking. If there is a will there is a way. Besides, if the Council
restricts it even more that it already is, I would guess the rates in
binge drinking will rise. Just because you're being a rebel if you drink
and you aren't 21.
I don't think the city council can stop it. If people choose to drink
then the avalibility, circustances, and consiquenses can't be changed
with an act or acts from the city council.
underage drinking is something that isnt really a problem
You can pass ordinances and increase enforcement for eternity, but
unfortunately underage students are going to find a way to drink if thars
what they want to do. Focusing on providing optional activities and
promoting more responsible drinking would have the greatest effect in my
opinion. Most of the option provided by the City Council so far are just
their attempt to look like they're doing something, rather than proposals
that are actually going to change the drinking climate.
Decreased law enforcement and increased education/bar owners
self-policing.
this would make it tougher to have have access to alcohol
Unless there is some legitimate alternative to drinking, where students
can meet other students, have fun and not have to worry about
transportation/parking, there won't be any decrease in student drinking.
The wrist bands were required at my undergraduate college and were quite
effective. Students did not like the change, but it did curb a lot of
underage drinking, especially at fraternity parties. And wristbands are a
very easy way to ensure bars have NO EXCUSE to serve underage students.
High school kids need stuff to do in this town. I grew up here and went
to CHS. It would be nice if they had more options.
The only way to stop drinking is to make all bars 21, but then people
would get fake IDs.
There's nothing that can be done to decrease underage drinking rates.
It's sad when students have to be harrassed because they want to have some
fun with their friends. Come up with something better to complain about.
Nothing.
I don't think there is anything that can be done because those underage
can get alcohol from those 21 and over and if not in the bars because they
are restricted to 21 year olds it will be at the local gas station or Hy
Vee and brought to apartments and houses. There is always easy access to
alcohol and nothing can be done to stop that.
The city already makes enough money off drinkers between citations and
getting paid off by bars to not drive away business and letting minors
ddnk.
Nothing. Literally nothing will work.
someone can always borrow an ID, but it should be hard to fake one that
must be scanned. Although older people will still buy the youngins drinks
If there was ID scanners it would be very tough for someone underage to be
stamped 21. Fake IDs are something that a lot of UI students have and
most of them are not very good at all. The people sitting at the doors at
the bars are in a bad situation to deal with fake IDs. There is usually a
big line of people waiting to get in. It is dark, and they don't care
that much themselves. Therefore it's pretty easy for someone to use a
fake ID to become 21 at a bar.
Raise the fine for a Minor In Possession to an unbearably high dollar
amount.
I think that it would be the combined efforts of working to provide other
late night activities and to encourage businesses to stay open later /
offer late night services.
It all comes down to the inside. Sometimes it's just to easy for someone
who is underaged to order and drink an alcoholic beverage in the bars.
But then, that's how they make they're money.
lowering the drinking age
Underage drinking is problem that will not go away. Nothing is going to
change that.
Stop making more laws. Things are fine. Tell these people to find
something else to pursue like increasing the amount of classes and
professors in the communications department. I mean my god! How does
anyone ever graduate!
The drinking law has not always been 21. It is a number that congress
agreed on, and will probably change in all of our lifetimes. I am 21 so i
am not writing this as a minor, this is just what i feel.
Other alternatives would be most affectlye. Again, the city needs to
realize that when a college student wants to drink, even if they are
underage, they can AND VVILL get alcohol. In fact, trying to police people
too much may cause more problems than the ones they are trying to limit.
21 year olds can hinge drink, too, but I think this is a step in the right
direction,
This might be an expensive way of doing things but use the magnet strip on
the license. When purchasing alcohol at a grociery or convinience store
have them run the strip to see if they can legally buy the alcohol. If
someone is caught providing beer to minors revoke their privelage to buy
alcohol for a period of time using the license. Require wristbands in
bars.
put a cop in the biggest bars and raid the other ones.
Wrist bands are a good idea, too.
only dance clubs should allow 19 year olds and in these bars wrist bands
area good idea but admittedly often all too easily switched. perhaps its
the underage people that should wear the evident apparell.
Nothing
They really need to combine #1, #2,and #3 - making the third include HUGE
fines to owners for anyone busted in their establishment for being there
with a fake ID, without ID, or just got in because they knew the guy at
the door.
Bars=drinks and by law you can only drink if you are 21, so no one under
the age of 21 has any "legal" reason to be in a bar. Letting minors in
is just asking for laws to be broken.
Make sure people can't buy drinks for other people, aka, one drink
purchase per person. along with raised fines for those providing alcohol
to minors. Bar owners better get a clue as well, or else they will just
be shooting themselves in the foot. Restricting bars to over 21 is not
the answer. When I was a fresh, I loved to go out, but Never drank.
Change societal standards concerning drinking. And make being intoxicated
an unpleasant experience which is impossible since its cheif purpose is to
make you feel a certain way.
both limiting access to over 21 and providing other late night activities
People will drink regardless, you would just be taking it out of public
vision.
to reduce under age drinking "downtown" just make the bars 21, but this
won't reduce underage drinking rates. ISU has bars that are exclusively
21 but they have big problems w/house parties. college students of all
ages aftend house parties in ames not just the 21 year olds, also lots of
house parties give h.s. students oppertunities to drink
This is obivious!! If you are in a bar underage the only reason you are
going there is to drink! Don't listen to people who say they want to
"dance". Limit the age, you will have fewer people drinking underage in
bars, and more house patties.
It is ridiculous that persons under age 21 can even go into a bar. Bars
are drinking establishments.
None of theses will work because if someone is underage, they will find a
way to get alcohol. It doesn't matter.
I don't think any of them would work. Raise the drinking age. Look at what
happened during prohabition.
Can't stop it
you can never decrease the underage drinking--the only thing that you
might be able to do is limit the people you catch.
NO MORE POLICE[!
Let's face it, the students just won't like this idea. Most of them are
under 21, and many of them drink. They will not support any conclusion
that may limit their ability to drink. But that's exactly what this
option would do. The bars are convenient places to obtain alcohol, Once
an underage person gets inside, it's relatively easy to get a drink.
Bartenders often don't check the id's ofthose purchasing alcohol. One
older friend can purchase alcohol for an entire group of underage people.
And guys have a tendency to buy drinks for girls, regardless of whether
they're underage. The argument that "people will drink anyway" has always
seemed stupid to me. Of course underage people will find a way to drink.
The goal, it seems to me, is to make drinking harder and less convenient.
Think about it. The bars all serve alcohol. They're within convenient
walking distance to almost all the dorms (and on a cambus route from the
rest). Once inside, as I mentioned, it's relatively easy to get alcohol
there. And an underage person can get the alcohol in large quanities--as
much as can be afforded. If the bars are completely closed to people
over 21, more obstacles to underage drinking are in place. If we're
talking about drinking in a dorm room, the person needs to find a way and
a place to get the alcohol. Then, the alcohol must be smuggled into the
room and consumed quietly enough to keep from getting busted. The
presence of authority and the risk to the students would probably keep
most students from getting out of hand there. If we're talking an
off-campus party, things get even more difficult. First, the underage
people need to hear about the party. I don't know about anyone else, but
I didn't know a lot of upperclassmen when I was a freshman or sophomore.
Second, the underage people have to get to the par'b/. The parties won't
all be within convenient walking distance, like the bars. And since most
students are forced to park a long distance from the dorms, this would be
a hassis for many underage students. In addition, the people throwing the
pady have huge disincentives to let it get out of control. The apartment
or house could be damaged, or the complaints could get the tenants
evicted. And since the Iowa City police can now break up a gathering
without a complaint from the neighbors, everyone at the party could very
likely be arrested. If that happens a few times, the number of parties
will likely decrease. Like it or not, this is the best solution to the
problem.
This would eliminate any fake ID's and minors from the bars, then you
could dispatch police away from the bars and into other areas of the city.
Much larger fines for being caught.
The city of Iowa City has a rather hypocritical stance underage drinking.
This monster was created by themselves for allowing minors in the door of
bars were alcohol is being served. The either need to kick underage
students out of the late night bar area or just let them alone.
The must effective would probably be limiting access to 21 year olds but
underage drinkers will find other ways to ddnk. It's better to have them
in a structured sort of environment than off by themselves.
Give up and lower the drinking age.
If police really want to regulate underaged drinking, then they should be
the ones to check ID's at the bars.
Since 18 year olds ought to have the right to drink, why doesn't the city
council just focus on drunk driving.
I like a combination of the wrist bands and the ID Scanner.
None of these, they would only encourage house parties.
The fact that the drinking age is set at 21 is stupid. I enlisted into the
armed forces at 17, but not not drink for four more years after that while
in the U.S., but could in every other country I've been to. Binge drinking
should be the main concern, not underage drinking
Making bar owners police themselves, and also checked on by police at
times, and maybe requiring wrist bands and id scanners is they only way to
go about limiting underage drinking without negatively affecting those
over 21.
If the bar owners have consequences against them, they will do a better
job Of making sure that underage people don't get the chance and that
people aren't too drunk. Wristbands would also be a good idea. But
restricting access to those over 21 does nothing to prevent binge drinking
and leaves many, many students with nothing to do on the weekends -- that
breeds even more trouble.
not much can really be done. if they make the bars 21, then that would
just make people get fake id's and bring the problem back to the dorms and
peoples houses. then they would really have a problem. i think that if it
was brought back to the dorms and houses, the problem would be a lot
Worse.
Making the drinking age 19 - if there isn't a challenge to drink fewer
students will think it is "cool."
Make the underage students who are knowingly breaking the law responsible.
High ticket fees for underage drinkers would discourage them. Ifs going
to get old paying a 200 or 300 dollar ticket each time you get caught
drinking. These underage students are ruining it for the of-age students.
It is the only thing that is going to work. But the city wouldn't pull in
all that sales tax then would they.
strunger penalties for underage drinking and providers of those drinkers
none of these will help
Again I feel all of these efforts would be futile.
Where I come from. the bar owners get nailed for serving alcohol to a
minor. The bars in Iowa City get no penalty for serving to minors. They
don't care if minors are drinking their because they are still making
money with no risk involved. The person who pays is the minor caught.
Penalizing the bar owners would make for a more cautious staff in bars.
Nothing.
Simple, press for state government to lower the drinking age. Not
allowing 18,19 and 20 year old adults the right to consume alcohol is
illegal.
none of the above for the same reason as above.
Lower the drinking age to 18. Old enough to vote and serve in the armed
forces, old enough to drink (and learn to drink responsibly).
The only way to stop underage drinkers out is to not admit them to the
bars.
There ought to be no effort to restrict underage drinking, especially not
illegal actions such as price controls.
It is easy for underage students to wipe off a stamp, but if you had a
wristband, it would be very easy to tell the minors apart.
give the younger adults a choice of something else to do right downtown!!
Alternative activites would significantly decrease the underage drinking
because then you'd have something to do other than go to the bar. If
people want to drink they will always find a way. If you make all bars
21, then you need to have a place for the underagers to go and dance, or
hang out. Of course some will get fake id's and house parties will
increase. SEE above comments.
limiting access to bars for 21 year olds and mandatory ID scanners. We
already have increased law enforcement which doesn't decrease underage
drinking.
I really don't think you'll find a decrease in underage drinking. Once
you take it away from the bar scene, it will become a house party thing
and that's far worse than the bars.
Differentiating between those of age and those underage would help bar
owners/law enforcement. I don't like the idea of making bars accessible to
those over 21. Actually, I think a drinking age of 19 would make more
sense.
None of these will be affectlye. If the bars raise the age limit to 21
there will be an increase in fake ID's purchased, and the bars will let
those people with fakes in
Having a police officer check IDs at the door and a second officer (or
volunteer citizen) to monitor the bar patrons, making sure they have
stamps/bracelets if they have a drink in their hand. If they are in
posession of an alcoholic beverage and no stamp, take custody of them and
escort them to the officer for their ticket. Also wrist bands are more
prominate than stamps and don't wash off.
If arrest and tickets keep increasing at a rate like this no one will want
to come to the University of Iowa. And then these over bearing cops on a
power trip can go work for the meat packing company in west liberty.
Remember the student make up a significant portion of the population of
this town and if you don't start treating them like adults they wont be
here to much longer.
The most effective thing to do would be provide something else to do.
None of the above will work. If you look at each option objectively, you
realize that all of the above are easily avoidable for minors. Limiting
bars to 21 will force freshmen to house parties. There is more binge
drinking at house parties then at bars. As someone who was ticketed twice
as a minor. I can attest that Law Enforcement is in no way a deterrant.
Restdcting price specials encourages binge drinking before you get to the
bar. Setting a minimum price for drinks does the same. Other late night
activities is definetly a great option. Wrist bands do not counter the
mass influx of ID's. If actually enforced. wrist bands would just force
minors out of the bars and into house parties. ID scanners are a joke
since a large majority of Iowa students are from III. and most fakes are
from out of state. Self policing by bars could be effective but once
again will only move the problem. Are you trying to decrease underage
drinking or merely move it out of the bars?
They must realize that if they do limit access to those over 21, they must
concurrently provide alternative late night activies.
Replace bars with other social establishments downtown. Devote more space
downtown to more late night establishments that cater to young adults.
Give grants to attract these kinds of businesses to downtown IC.
limit access and the city should provide bars, clubs and stores with
mandatory ID scanners.
Offering other late night activities.
Kids are scared of cops. case closed. But frankly, how old a student is
when the drink doesn't concern me, it only concerns those who must enforce
the rules. Cops and Bar owners. the university should not be playing a
role in this unless it is in the residence halls. Otherwise, it is none
of their business and should not be taking a popsition other than to say
that they support the law.
limiting the access and mandatory scanners. that way it is incraasingly
difficult to get in with a fake id
Underage drinking is not a problem in Iowa City. Plus underage drinkers
will find a way to drink regardtess.
More of the resposibility has to be with the University.
Nothing will. People will just find alternative places to drink. And if
that doesn't work, Iowa City won't be a fun college town and people won't
go here.
Why are you trying to control this? I know, "because it's the law". But
why are we really trying to control this? VVhO the fuck cares. Question 12
I could understand. I'm embarrassed to be represented by this survey.
Same as above.
Underage drinking is going to occur no matter what. People who want to
drink will find a way.
I know from personal experience that I could always run some last minute
errands and such at a late hour. Personally I would rather go somewhere
than a bar to avoid outrageous cover charges and the threats and
temptations of drinking. It would be better for me in the long run. If
there were more activities for people under 21 or atleast businesses that
did not close at such an early hour the situation would be much better.
I think that wristbanding 21 year old, and increasing the number of law
enforcement officers, would cut down on a lot of problems. Underage
drinkers are very intimidated by police. and will not drink if their
presence is known in the bar. Instead of standing outside on the ped mall
watching. why not an officer or two into the bar to "scare" underage
drinkers.
You really can't, if kids can't drink in the bars they will drink at home.
Limiting the bars to 21 year olds is not a solution to this problem.
Students here already see "going out" and drinking as the sole form of
entertainment and they will not just stop going because it's against the
law. More people will find fake ID's and go off campus to drink in private
houses. By having scanners in the bars, less people will be albe to use
fake ID'S and only 21 year olds will be able to buy alcohol.
the owners need to be responsible for there employees. when I was under
the age of 21. I was getting served by waitresses at tables. wrist bands.
etc won't stop that
The stamps they give at the bar can be worn off and its not a big deal.
By giving people a wrist band it monitors the 21 year olds better.
nothing will stop it. these will only change the places drinking takes
place.
The problem will only become less dificult for bar owners. Students will
begin to drink more outside of the bars especially because it is cheaper
The biggest thing would find some way to want students not really care
about drinking, but I don't know how you would attain that.
Lock the minors in a closet and throw away the keys. Enough said.
I also think ID scanners are a wonderful idea.
Fake ID's are always available- Scanners would help deter them,..
Maybe the university could have more activities such as concerts, or a
juice bar. Also maybe a free taxi. or shuttle to those who dont have
access to a car to places like the bowling ally, Plant X, and other places
where the main activity is NOT drinking. Unless they know someone they
have no affordable way to get to these places that are far away from the
campus.
I think there should be mandatory ID scanners as well wrist bands to
identify those who are of age.
Let's face it the bars in this town make a fortune on underage drinking.
They aren't going to want to police that.
people seem to get scared when they know there will be a bar raid and the
bars are dead-of course that may hurt the bars financially which would in
turn damage the downtown area even more- i think that providing
alteratives would be best- in the old capital mall many new and exciting
activities could take up residency
Community Service. Most people now just have their parents pay for
tickets that they recieve. Having them preform a few hours of community
service might go a little further to show them its not worth getting
caught.
Please don't change the age to more bars. I am 20 and I like to go and
dance or see a concert every now and then.
I really dont think there is a solution to this problem.
I think that combining some of the above options would be a good idea. I
know that the club that I go to in Davenport allows 19 and over in, but it
requires wrist bands for people 21 and over. I think that the ID scanners
would be a very good idea while also encouraging other non-alcoholic
activities.
All of these are good ideas, aside from the price controls that I don't
feel the city has any business dictating. As I said, some people will
drink no matter what-they'll find a way, whether they have to go to
another bar, a house party, etc. Nothing the city does will stop these
people. But providing alternatives would be a big step, as many people
would probably take advantage of them.
There really are other things to do]! Why get drunk ALL the time??
Lower the age.
Reduce the state drinking age, or reduce local enforcement.
There's not ANYthing forthose under21 to do. I remember when I was that
age and there was nothing to do. I think again the answer is alternative
venues. If there is restictions to the bars, minors will still get in.
There are ways. The city council is not going to be able to enforce any
of these.
Make the drinking age 18 or 19. Then there would be hardly any underage
drinking.
Nothing, people will just go to more house parties or drink in the dorms.
But if they do that, then Iowa City will have to find a whole new source
of revenue because IC makes all their money off of 18 and 19 year old
students drinking at the bars.
The majority of employees of the downtown bars are the students
themselves. Letting your friendsffrat brothers/hot girlsN~hatever get in
without a legitimate ID is the norm. The doormen and waitstaff don't feel
the pinch from authorities, and I don't know if it would help if they did,
but it's definitely the avenue to look at if Iowa City wants to get rid of
UNDERAGE binge drinkers.
There is nothing the council can do
If the target is to cut down on underage drinking this will really help.
Anyone that is underage knows exactly which bars they can get served at
and which don't pay attention to who is drinking.
educationals to younger children
none of the above will be effective.
non-alcoholic dance clubs would be awesome too
concets with popular groups
do nothing
Lowering the drinking age to the some as the Selective Service, voting,
and legal adult age.
Decrease the drinking age to 18.
Give us some awesome concerts to go to.
There isn't really a lot that you can do about underage drinking. The
second that people under 21 can't go to the bars, the number of house
parties will greatly increase.
Have more social outlets. Maybe I come from a country that has all those
but I could go for food, coffee without having to to a pub for social
activities after 9 prn up until 6 am.
UISG Drinking Behavior Survey
Additional Comments
Executive summary of responses
A large number of opinions are expressed, there are many insightful and
interesting comments that summarize thoughts found throughout the survey
results.
-Summary by Andy Stoll, UISG
16. Other comments
Pressure Regents to Give money to make the IMU a place for student
life and not corporate meetings
If the university starts to crack down on underage drinking in the bars, it will create a negative effect. It is safer to be
at a bar and be drunk than to be at a house party drunk and then attempt to drive back to your
dorm or apartment. It will also decrease enrolement because the future
students will see an environment where they are not allowed to have fun
with their friends and they will go else where.
Don't hurt the 21+ crowd, We have earned the right to drink!
The bar scene in Iowa City is NOT and evil. terrible thing as many people
seem to think. They do provide a service that is in demand, and provide a
safe atmosphere for people who choose to go there. Individuals and
businesses should be held responsible for the problems that arise. not the
community as a whole.
everything is fine as it is right now.
I think the definition of binge drinking needs to be changed. the number
of drinks that a person consumes contributes to binge drinking, but i
think that the majority of the people at bars consume 5 drinks with no
problem at all. i don't think that all ofthose people are binge
drinkers. hinge drinkers are people who drink a lot and can't handle
themselves when they get drunk.
A karyokee club and comedy clubs would be a big hit!
In all honesty the University and especially Stepping Up should leave
people to make their own decisions. I do not remember asking Stepping Up
to interfere with my social life. Yes, the city could make bars all 21,
but that will only move the drinkers elsewhere.
I have been an underage drinker in the past and a binge drinker from time
to time, but I consider myself a responsible drinker for the most part. I
have kept up a high GPA and am involved in many activities. I may have
made some bad choices before, but I learned from them, and isn't that
important? How are we supposed to learn if we are not allowed to make our
own choices and accept the consequences.
Only 21 will never fly here. Just look at Iowa St. Thats why some students
come here. The 'scene is better' and the youngins{18-20} can get into
bars. My recommendation is for the id checkers to crackdown hard 24-7.
After awhile the fakers will get the point and go drink at a persons home.
Let them have the guilt.
They say everyone was young once, I'm not So Sure that's true.
do something productive, get taxes on books dropped before the semester
book buying star~s. Hopefully this issue is one you will follow up along
with the other state schools and find out more about the taxes on
textbooks. This issue does impact ALL U I students, not just those who
drink alcohol. Thanks!
It's this strict Puritanical attitude towards alcohol that leads to binge
drinking. I come from a culture where I was allowed to drink alcohol in a
restaurant from 16 and could buy alcohol in a bar from 18. My parents
introduced me to it much earlier than that so that I could learn about
responsible drinking. By the time I came of age, drinking was not a big
deal for me. Stricter rules only make it more attractive. Stop patronizing
young adults and assuming you can regulate their behavior.
The students are tired of hearing the negativity about the binge drinking
problem and are not listening anymore (including mysett~. The University
should do something more positive for the students like what I mentioned
above. There needs to be something more exciting going on around here
besides going to the bar.
Binge drinking is not a problem
GOOD LUCK!!!
Eliminating drink specials is one of the most retarted things this town
could do. Only the upper-class could afford many drinks then and the bars
would be increasing their revenue and that is the last thing this town
needs. If this happens there would be an increase in college student's
debt and the didy bar owners could just buy more drugs for themselves-I
used to work at a bar.
Thanks for this opportunity.
I think that the only solution to this problem is for the students
themselves to experience the effects of hinge drinking on their own
bodies. Over time most people get over this behavior,
For the record, I am a law student and not an undergraduate student.
I don't think eliminating drink specials will help because people will
drink elsewhere (at par~ies) or they will just spend more money. More law
enforcement may help, but I don't think it will be a permanent solution.
Fining bars lots of money for serving to minors may get them to be more
careful. The bouncers don't always do their job right, either. When I
was 19 I went to the Sports column, and the bouncer looked at my (real) ID
and stamped me as being over 21. They are asking for problems. Even only
stamping people that are 21+ doesn't work, because you always have a
"buyer" in the group with you, so it doesn't slow your partying down.
How do I sign up for UISG?
Nothing involving this issue can be forced to change. If they become
stricter in the bars the problem will only move elsewhere, which will most
likely be the dorms.
I think that this whole "binge drinking" problem is labeling the
University with a bad name it doesn't deserve, Underage drinking does
occur but 99 percent of the time it is done in a responsibe manner. A few
drunk students who like to vandalize property are giving everyone a bad
name. I believe that the police should be looking for these vandals
rather than bothering the guy who just wants to have a beer with his
friends. College students are adults and they deserve to be treated like
adults. Don't let a few irresponsible people ruin the nightlife of Iowa
City.
kids are gonna drink regardless of what you do to try to stop it. focus
your time on solving other problems instead.
thanks for letting me speak.
Drinking will always be a problem. If the bars are changed to 21, then
people will get fake IDs or go to house parties. Nothing is going to stop
the drinking because this is a college town and no college town is without
drinking.
if I can still get into a bar, that's fine. But please don't raise the
age to 21. That's the only thing to do in Iowa City, unless you have a
car and creative friends, which I happen to not have. People are gonna
drink no matter what, but at least it can be regulated by the cops
downtown. If we can't get in until we're 21, then more house parties will
happen, and that's more disturbing to the Iowa City residents, in my
opinion. The cops would have a wider range of patroling to do.
Give us some Credit! We know what we want and know what we're doing, so
there isn't anything that can be done.
We are witnessing modern age slavery here...by directing public opinion
and by infringing more and more upon their freedoms by the so called
"caretakers". Unfortunately, we have constructed an extremely convoluted
system that really nobody understands that ends up serving the interests
of a base prison industry...bigger government intervention...more
taxes...more law enforcement, etc. People feel disconnected with their
governments and wish it were to go away but don't really have a better
alternative. Bye.
I was a full time student at the U of I twenty five years ago and I use to
hinge drink. I wish someone had confronted me with the facts early on so
that I would not have taken the chances I did as an undergrad student
then. I have since then stopped drinking alcohol because I can't handle
it. Students need to be educated from the first day they hit this campus
and have the issue in front of them on a daily basis until they leave. If
you don't put a face and a story to the problem, they think they are safe
from the problem.
I think that the reason that the drinking rate is so high is because of
the lack of activities for nondrinking students to do. I know that there
are things to do off campus, like Coralridge and things like that, but for
students living on campus without a car it is very hard to do anything
like that. If there were things like that closer to campus, more students
could chose to do them instead of drink.
I don't think it should be this big of a deal. I honestly think that if
college students were treated more like adults they would act more like
adults. The drinking age should be lowered.
I think the city is the major one who needs to be committed to this
problem. I mean what they are considering now with the drink specials
being limited and out of sight sales being limited is nonsense. Do they
really think that'll help? Underage drinkers will most likly be willing to
pay any cost to drink if they so choose. So a 21 law would be beneficial
to the city's problem. Unfortunately students under 21 and of course the
bar owners will fight this and/or get angry at the city. And of course the
city will listen to them. I think they just need to vote 21 and think for
everybody's best interest and not just the bar owner's.
if the bars get twenty one and over, that would really suck- i think the
city needs to relax- they are doing all they can now with the cops
everywhere and still having the underage drinking law- they can't do
anything else- more problems will occur if they do anything else
Having all "partying" going on in one central area like downtown makes me
feel safer rather than having parties everywhere else where people might
be driving!
Andy Stoll and Chris Linn should run for City Council.
As a graduate student with an undergraduate experience outside of Iowa
City, I found that UI students seem to congregate downtown mostly because
everyone else does. My opinion is that students simply lack the interest
to find other things to do, which is primarily their own shortcoming
rather than the city's. There are already a lot of other activities that
could be done. I found the most alarming is that so many students will
"go downtown" as many as four nights a week for several months. Don't
these students have work to do? Perhaps classes are not suf~ciently
challenging? A student's life is well rounded by social activities
undoubtedly, but when classes are a distant second to alcohol, then I have
to ask if the professors aren't being to coddled by in-class whining about
the amount of work they give. There are a lot of other issues to Iowa
City's drinking problem. I've discussed it with some long-time Iowa City
residents (that are still young < 30 years old). I don't understand the
resentment of the downtown police presence, but they do have strong
feelings about it. For some reason, some young people think that it's
okay to get drunk, publicly, and that the police have no good right to
curb this activity. Whatever the solution, it will have to incorporate a
change in mentality, perhaps a collective maturing of the student body.
more activities
the university of iowa is kidding itself, if it thinks that the drinking
rates of people here are any higer than any other school in the country.
it isn't even an issue
If it's not broke don't fix it. This is one of the safest campuses in the
country and although some view drinking in Iowa City as a problem, I don't
feel that changing the alcohol policies in the community will realIt solve
anything.
There has been talk about changing the age for getting into bars from 18
or 19 to all 21-only bars. Although I am not sure if this is still a
solution proposed by the board, I would like to address it for a moment. I
do not think that changing the age to enter bars is a good idea, simply
because there are many people that enjoy going to bars just for the
atmosphere and because it gives them a chance to get together with friends
and dance and hang out. I know that there have been many occasions where
my roommates and I have gone to bars and have had good times without
consuming alcohol. Please give this some consideration before making a
decision that punishes those that don't really do anything wrong.
This is a non-issue. Limiting drink specials and increasing the drinking
age are not solutions for the time honored tradition of college students
getting plastered. This is the way it has always been. My dad and his dad
liked to "Binge" drink back in their college days. It is only in this PC
society that it is seen as a major problem. Society might have a problem
but we can't go changing that. I think the old phrase, "Boy's will be
boy's" sums up my attitude towards this issue nicely.
I'm glad that the University and City are concerned with the "problem".
But I don't know that they will be able to stop binge drinking with more,
and stricter rules. I personally resent the STEPPING UP project the
University spends so much money on. It sort of says, you are either a
drunk or you can choose non-drinking activities. And turning those
University parking lots into alcohol free lots, in my opinion has been a
failure. During a few football games, I have been by that lot and noticed
that it is nearly 3/4 empty. Good use of space!!! The University spends
too much time trying to envoke its "morals" onto the rest of the student
body, There comes a point when you have to realize that people are
people. They will do stupid things. Students will binge drink!! Amen!
Taking action against bars (21 bars only, limit on drink specials, etc,)
will only encourage binge/underage drinking at private parties.
I went to UNI, and it has a far worse hinge drinking problem than U of I,
when you compare total students, and # of bars. I think the police need
to come down harder on underage drinking, bars need to be more responsible
for id'ing people at the door. this was never a hinge drinking issue
untill the cops started walking into bars and writing citations by the
ream. then the iowa city council thought they could kill two birds with
one stone. worry about the underage drinking, and then remember what it
was like to be in college 10, 20, or 30 years ago...not much has changed
in terms of alcohol consumption.
I don't disagree with drinking (I do it myself) but I do disagree with the
drinking culture that thrives on this campus. There are a lot of great
students here who do not engage in irresponsible drinking behavior (but
who do drink some, responsibly) and I think somehow the drinking culture
must change. I think this can be achieved through a COMBINATION of efforts
by bars (I am very much in favor of all bars being 21 +), the city (higher
fines and more enforcement), the university (encouraging as many
alternative activities as possible), but most of all the students
themselves. We must encourage our peers to experience life outside the
smoky confines of the Field House-to find out how many great friendships
can be made by actually talking and going to interesting
events/activities. It is also vital that parents and educators at the
pre-college level become more aware of this problem so that they can
possibly protect against it. This problem is exemplary of the much larger
and graver issue of changes within our society-a society in which kids
grow up much faster and with much less guidance. This is certainly not
going to be a quick fix, but I think it can be done. I know that is
extremely idealistic
I think that this poll is a great idea and a definite step in the right
direction. I know it will take time, but you've actually taken an
initiative which rioone has really done before. As a student who doesn't
drink, I really hope that some alternatives will come up soon.
in a school of 28000, there is no way that these laws are going to
eliminate underage drinking, it may just promote drug alternatives, such
as pot, exstacy, coke, etc.
If you change the laws, we will just find other ways to get around them.
If you tell us not to drink, we will want to drink even more. The MOST you
can do is to educate us on the harmful effects of alcohol and then for
once, let us make our own decisions. Close the bars and we will go to
house parties. Bust the house parties and we will just find somewhere else
to drink. I truthfully believe that the bars are a safer place for us to
drink (albeit some times illegal) because drinks can be limited, and we
will surrounded by people who can help us if, for some odd reason, we do
get into trouble. I believe that if Iowa City tries to get too strict on
its drinking policies, the plan will backfire and underage/hinge drinking
will only get worse. Now we have a close, relatively safe environment to
hang out in. If underage students are not allowed into the bars, I believe
that not only will the hinge drinking rate rise (because liqour from
liqour stores is even cheaper and we have nowhere to go but roam around)
but also we will find higher rates of drunk driving (because people have
to go farther to do what they're going to do anyway). I hope the UISG
considers these opinions strongly.
If individuals want to drink they will regardless of the laws. There are
other places to drink other than bars, house padlos, etc. A bar is a
safer place to drink than a party, since there is supervision at bars.
Bars also offer other activities than just drinking, such as pool,
dancing, and music, in which people drink less. At parties for fun people
usually play drinking games, increasing binge drinking more than a bar
does. For these reasons any strict actions such as changing the age of
bars will increase parties which will, in turn, increase binge drinking
rather than curbing or slowing it down.
The Iowa City Council should look for other alternative means to approach
this problem. Restricting alcohol sales is onnly a temporary solution.
I don't feel that any rules/laws the city or university tries to pass will
be successful in curving hinge drinking. It is a part of many young
people's lives, and I feel a part of growing up and becoming a more
responsible adult, Teaching students how to drink responsibly should be
the city's goal, not trying to become their parents and telling them they
can and cannot do.
Don't raise the age to get into the bars to 21. Many of my friends and I
go there to dance. It would take that away from us if the age were
lowered.
Less tickets for "public intox" when it is not truly warrented would
encourage people to walk more than drive. in my opinion, public intox
tickets should only be given to violent individuals and those causing a
threat in general, ie., following someone and bartossing them. the recent
increase of public intox tickets for things like stumbling have encouraged
people to risk driving. cab rates are excessive leading people to walk,
often alone which is quite dangerous. i am far more concerned with rape
than i am in drinking. looking at Ul's record that is the ugliest mark we
have. I am in no way belittling the deaths of the individuals that have
led to this cause but you cannot expect that students on their own for the
first time are not going to make mistakes. If alcohol was accepted as a
toxin and people were educated to realize that there is a level at which
death is imminent perhaps this would encourage people to take it more
seriously. as it stands you are generally dealing with glorified
adolenscents that see authority as a factor to ignore/get around. don't
say, "this is wrong." say, "this is dangerous when.,."
I think that the City Council is going about this situation all wrong. As
a legal drinker, I feel that their ideas about limiting drink prices are
going to hurt someone like me more than an underage drinker. If they
don't want minors drinking, provide other fun activities for them to
engage in.....activities that the students themselves have expressed
interest in, not something lame.
Programs similar to The Stepping Up are good ways to start, Make this
survery more widely distributed. You will probably find a great number of
people who are willing to suggest late night activities that do not
contain as much drinking. More law enforcement would discourage underage
minors from drinking. But the most important thing is to discourage
excessive drinking and to remind students that it is possible to drink
responsibly,
My biggest problem with the drinking issue in Iowa City is that
responsible drinkers are going to have to pay the price for the
irresponsible ones. Any proposal affecting the price of alcohol is
dangerously out of line. There is no reason why I (a 21 year old) should
be forced to pay more for a drink because of others' actions. Two for one
specials do not lead to binge drinking, pitchers do not lead to binge
drinking, fake ID's do not lead to binge drinking. The problem is the
mindset of the community as a whole. Harsher penalties for underage
drinkers, along with better enforcement of current laws would curb the
underage problem. I see underage people drinking in bars all the time, and
the badenders know it, the owners know it. They are the people who should
be held accountable, not the 21 + year olds who like to have a few drinks
with friends. and not have to pay full price for them.
I think the arrest rate also doesn't reflect our "problem" with drinking
inlC because it is only a response to political pressure from old city
officials who control the votes. I think steppping up should reevaluate
where they put their money b/c the tail gates are nice but people will
stop for free food then go back to drinking.
I hope this University will way the opinions of all people and not just be
against those who use there rights as citizens to make there own choices.
Everyday the rights of the indvidual in this nation are becoming less and
less it is time to stop this trend and start to get our freedoms back.
Without other activities, the laws that are being proposed will not solve
anything. Students will find other ways to continue drinking the way they
have been, which could include more parties in uncontrolled atmospheres.
Therefore. just making up some laws that will effect everyone (drinkers,
non-drinkers, business owners), will not be effective by any means.
yes binge drinking is a problem but is it really a city problem? i
personally believe that it is a personal problem. through education and
alternate activities we can take emphasis away from drinking as a pass
time, automatically changing rules/laws is only going to enrage the
student body and cause more problems.
DO NOT restrict bars to 21 and over. This will drive people away from the
bars and into apartments/houses/dorms, and it will not be just a
'downtown' problem.
These proposals seem outrageous. If I was caught drinking in high school
I wouldn't have to face this kind of punishment. If these new laws go
into affect it will be harder to buy alcohol here than it was in high
school.
Great survey!! I hope more people utilize it!
Raise expectations for students by providing closer mentorship and
learning communities, especially during freshman year.
Drinking is a problem of epidemic proportions here at Iowa. I have spent
my whole life in university towns and have never seen drinking be a
problem to this extent. I think the University and the city need to work
together to provide other options for students while at the same time
attempting to scale back the presence of the bar establishments. The
first, logical step in that direction would be establishing a 21 and over
policy for all bars.
It is inevitable that college students will drink. An emphasis should be
put on drinking responsibly.
From looking at my home town of Winona, MN at the two universities there,
I don't really see how anything would help. The bar age there is 21 but
just recently the police busted a bar and pulled approx. 50 minors out of
the bar, that's not counting the one's that got away. The minors will
still find a way to get in the bars. One thing that the town did do was
to make an ordinance of 1 keg per house. This ordinance requires the
owner of the house, not the renter, to obtain a permit just to get a keg.
As far as I know, it has helped to decrease the number of house parties,
but that just pushed the students back to the bars. Whatever happens, it
shouldn't just be the council that decides. There are many people out
there with their own opinion and less than a dozens people shouldn't be
able to make a chnage to the lives of those people. Put it to a city vote
and see what happens.
as much as you would like to think that you can stop underage drinking.
sure your proposal might help, but think about what you're really doing.
as i said before, college students drink and really there is no way to
stop them, ticket after ticket, we don't really care.
if you don't want underage kids to drink, eliminate their access to
alcohol. Look at Iowa State their bars are 21 only and they have a much
smaller problem
I don't believe restricing drink specials and limiting the amount of
drinks a person can buy will do anything but agitate the consumer. Perhaps
bars should only let in those who are 21 and over, or opt to have the bars
police themselves far more strictly than what they are currently doing.
A majority will likely disagree that binge drinking and underage drinking
is a problem. But the majority is not always right. Please read the
comments and the substance with them. I think you'll find two things.
First, the people against additional limits on being in the bars and drink
specials are under 21, 'cause they are the ones creating the problem.
They are trying to protect their right to drink. Second, the comments
will be "they will just drink anyway" and "it's safer at the bars than
elsewhere". I think I've addressed the first, and anyone who has seen
what happens at the bars should know this behavior is not safe anywhere,
and it needs to be decreased.
There is no simple cure for binge drinking. It is an undesirable
characteristic of our society that must be faced at every institution and
at every age.
There will always be underage drinking. ALWAYS. I feel that it is safer to
let students drink on campus where we can walk home. If on-campus drinking
is prevented, students will go off-campus, and most likely drive to get
there. This will increase the chance that students will risk drinking and
driving. Students will always consume alcohol. Fact of life. It cannot be
prevented. Is it really that harmful?
This survey was an excellent idea. It is nice to know that UI and the City
Council consider the student voice a worthy one to acknowledge.
Kids are young and a majority of them can handle their liqour. Others
that can not should not drink at all, which is where the problem with
drinking so until you can find a way to pinpoint these weak individuals
towards the drinking community, leave the majority of us alone. Coming
out of Chicago I can assure Iowa City that if you think drinking is a
problem here get out of the rural community and take a bit of action in
the night life of the big city.
Basically, I just want you to realize that empirically college students
have relinquished in their propensity for the consumption of alcohol.
Flimsy rules and regulations are not going to change this fact.
Regardless of what is done this is going to remain true. I realize that
your position cannot be in support of these ideals, but I implore you to
realize them. I just want you to understand that most of us out here
drinking are just trying to have a good time, and are really not out to
get anyone. Don't punish everyone for the mistakes of a few, please.
In my opinion drinking is not a problem anymore. Most students know how
to handle their alcohol before they get to college and if not one of their
friends does. My friends and I mostly go to parties or bars to socialize
and relieve stress but we all know our limit.
It is the culture...not a enforceable or changeable event over night.
i feel that any action taken to limit student access to bars would be
detrimental to the situation. students can find ways to drink easily and
the safest place to do that is in a bar. the best way to decrease hinge
drinking and underage drinking is to increase police presence in these
institutions or in the ped mall. as a female, i feel much safer
socializing in a bar than in a house party
If you restrict someone or tell them they can't do something, they'll go
out and do what they're not supposed to.
I would encourage more of this type of survey. Students need to have
their voice heard and most do not have the time to go to a city council
meeting.
By making new rules in Iowa City, the whole community will lose money.
There are so many people that come to Iowa City just to party. By getting
tougher rules, people won't visit Iowa City. They then won't go to the
malls or stores, restaurants, gas stations etc.
If the University is truely commited to eliminating the connection between
alcohol and the social atmosphere, the University needs to help fund
alternative activities. The social activities of the university students
are intertangled with the downtown bars, and only after other aternatives
are provided for the students should the downtown bars have limitations
placed on them.
The City's newest proposal makes sense except for the restriction on
pitchers. Why not just have the bars require an ID for each glass that
accompanies the pitchers as is done in many cities and states already?? I
do think that limiting the number of servings per person per time is a
good way to control both hinge and underage drinking -- causes slower
consumption and prevents buying drinks for others. I think that
regardless of the Binge drinking stats, Iowa City is a safe and wonderful
city to live in. The plethora of bars & restraunts so close to campus is
a major contributing factor to the wonderful environment. Many people are
concerned at an overabundance of bars downtown, but restricting the types
of new businesses is not the solution. Let's face it, most of the
businesses downtown are now and will continue to be geared toward students
(since they don't have to park downtown like others would) -- restraunts
and bars fit that bill. I hope that Stepping Up and city council do
things that don't punish those of us who are responsible and just want to
have fun.
My opinion is that MOST college students at MOST colleges and
universitites display the same types of behaviors as students here at the
University of Iowa do. People all across the country binge drink. This
is not a situation that is just found here. Having visited and partied at
MANY different colleges (from UNI and Loras, to CHICO in claifornia), i
would have to say that i have found them all to be pretty much equal in
the number of people binge drinking. Studies show that there are more
alcohol related arrests etc... etc... however, what those studies do not
show you is that there is not as much police enforcement at these otehr
colleges. For example at UNI, for their homecomming, there were thousands
of underage college students walking around wasted out ofthier mind for
3 straight days. I saw a total of 3 police officers. They were on a
rooftop videotaping the event. Now, i am not saying that iowa City needs
less police action, i believe that they do a fine job. But what i am
saying is that tthis is not a problem that is unique to THIS college, and
i just honestly believe that Iowa City makes it seem like it is. Other
activities COULD cut down on underage and binge drinking, but honestly,
when i was underage i don't even know that those would have stopped me
from drinking with my friends. Drinking is a normal par~ of college life,
whetehre it is legal or not, so what the big deal here in Iowa City is I
have no clue.
Underage and hinge ddnking is a problem you're going to have anywhere you
go. You can educate people and hope for the best.
This is not a university ma~ter. The university is in no way responsible
for the drinking habits of its students. The patrons pay the bars just
like they pay the University. It is a choice, responsible or not. Once
again, educating the public on these maltors may show somewhat of a
decrease in binge drinking but passing legislation to limit it will only
Cause it to increase.
Ticketing more underage drinkers at the bars only causes people to drink
unsafely off campus causing vandalism and sexual assault. At least at the
bars there is supervision which is crucial.
more information and advertising about al-anon is good too. I have found
it to be a great program! Thank you for doing this! I look forward to
improvements coming speedily along!
I have visited several friends at other campuses and I can honestly say
that Iowa students, While they do drink a lot, do not drink any more
heavily, or less heavily than students at other major universities.
The university and Iowa City keeps roughly the same number of people in
the downtown area. But as far as enforcement the police presence gets
larger all the time. Statistics do not seem to take into account the rise
in enforcement only the results of it. Education is the only way to get
things to change, read any book on drugs, addiction, or recovery. Help is
also needed to support but education is the key.
I think that drinking problem here is largely a result of living in an
area with little 9oing on (ex. Pro sports, amusement parks). Because of
sheer boredom, binge drinkin9 has become the culture in Iowa Cily. The
only way to remedy this is to provide other actMties. I feel that
aggressive measures taken to curb underage and binge drinking, 8uGh as
increasing law enforcement and prohibiting underage students from going
into bars is wrong. This will just cause more arrests, and other
problems such a$ increased drug use.
I do not think the situation at the UI is any different from any other
university despite what the Harvard study says.
other forms of weekend entertainment is needed despite the alcohol
questions.
Thanks for asking the students their opinion on drinking at Iowa.
I don't know how many students that attend U of I are traditional students
but I am assuming that a good number of them are and that places them
right at the age when you like to go out and have a few drinks maybe more.
The underage drinking so-called problem will never go away, this is
college you are suppose to have fun. If that involves alcohol, concerts,
museums,or whatever else. If you don't want to have an underage drinking
problem then don't have an age when can legally get a drink.
There's a lot of hype going around hinge drinking, but most people grow
out of it after a couple of years. Making all bars 21 and not offering
other places to go and dance, or have a social atmosphere is unfairly
punishing those who are the last to turn 21 of their group of friends.
It's quite common to have friends that are 2 years younger than yourself
so it would be nice to have a social setting other than someone's house to
hang out with them.
The UISG should take a position to fight the IowaCity police department on
this issuse. There are other issues in this community that would help
students better that trying to combat underage drinking. Remeber that we,
the students, are people in this community too and should be treated
fairly. IowaCity should take a vote among the citizens, including
students, to see what they wish to have their tax money spent on. I bet
you it would not be laws and more police to prevent college kids from
drinking.
Why does the University wish to persecute the majority of its students?
To address the problem most effectively, the University should consider
fostering a culture that encourages responsible drinking over destructive
drunkeness. I would like to see the University say "We realize that 60%
of our student body is going to drink. We do not accept the
dangerous/destructive side effects of this habit. We want to help you
drink more responsibly" Maybe the University could designate a dorm for
those who drink. Not necessarily allow people to drink in that dorm, but
make it clear to those whom do not want to be around those who drink that
other buildings would be better suited for their learning style. We must
keep in mind that a minority of the student population does not drink.
Why must we focus on their discomfort more than helping the majority
become more responsible? By accepting the drinking that occurs and
working with Freshmen and Sophomores to encourage safer drinking, both
side would win. University events with alcohol safely served, late night
cambuses, and dorm events aimed for those whom choose to drink would all
help to eliminate the problem of irresponsible drinking. Underage
drinking is not a problem. Irresponsible underage drinking is most
definetly a problem.
Almost every college student is going to drink at some time in their
college career. I think the most important thing is to teach them how to
drink responsibly. For instance, making aware how many drinks it takes to
become intoxicated and what can happen with intoxication. Drinking and
driving prevention and more.
I'm very annoyed by reports of underage drinkers complaining that the
police come down too hard on them. They are BREAKING THE LAW. If they
think they are responsible enough to be drinking alcohol then they should
be able to take responsibility for their actions. If they are breaking
the law and get caught, they shouldn't whine that the police are too
heavy-handed. Additionally, underage drinkers need to get their
priorities figured out. In an article printed last year addressing the
issue of drinking, a student was quoted as saying she liked to go out
drinking because there wasn't anything else to do; anything else there was
to do was "dumb", like reading a book. Hello? Why are these people at
college? There are some people whose priorities are seriously
out-of-whack. How are they going to get through life? Drunk? Great.
You know what, I drink. Damn proud of it, and it never hurt me. Have I
made mistakes? Yes. Are they anyone's fault other than my own? No. Could
anyone have stopped me from making those mistakes? Maybe a 24 hour
babysitter, but than I never would have learned from my mistakes. I feel
that the Univeristy is really starting to cramp my style. I dont like
feeling that the University says my lifestyle is WRONG, and more than if
they said it was WRONG to be gay, or Jewish. I will not allow anyone to
dictate a lifestyle to me, so you can make whatever changes to policy and
law you feel appropriate, but you won't be changing a thing. If you want
to feel good about yourself, by all means, raise prices, send everyone to
alcohol education class, and keep telling us that drinking is a sin. But
if you want to make a difference, get involved in our lives, take our
opinions seriously, and change us from within, not without. If you really
give a damn about the opinions of the students, I will be the first to
offer it. My name is Marshall Guthrie, you can reach me at
marshall-guthrie@uiowa.edu or 353-5480.
I transferred into the university at the age of twenty. For two years i
went out drinking and consequently my grades affected it. I was allowed
to get into bars, and once you got to know the workers, they served you.
It only took me tow months before i could get served, the problem lies in
the ability of minors to get access to the bars. Granted if they want to
drink, they will. But by changes the age, it will make it alot harder,
and if you enforce the drinking in the dorms rule, then it the penalties
will be alot more strict which in turn wil affect the way they drink.
I believe I participated in the Harvard survey--If I did, it was shortly
after I began my freshman year. I'm sure I was not the only individual
who seriously exaggerated the truth. I would consider that survey
seriously flawed.
if you take the bars away from underage students there will just be more
house parties that have underage drinking. you can't get rid of it, you
can only move the location in which it occurs.
Many think it is cool to drink and I believe that they exagerated their
drinking habits and this greatly affected the survey that was done.
I sometimes find myself getting annoyed with the fact that the City
council makes these "drinking problems" seem as though they happen only at
the University of Iowa. This is college, and you can be sure that at most
universities they are experiencing the same problems.
I feel that imposing a drink minimum will have little to no effect on the
"binge drinking" problem in Iowa City. Students would "party" elsewhere
or would take the bite and pay the prices. In the long run, it would
probably just help the bar owners turn a higher profit. Taking away drink
specials is pretty unheard of as well. This is a big ten college and we
the students are old enough to decide whether or not we want and should
drink. We are old enough to make our own decisions. This isn't high
school.
I would like to say that I don't see the University of Iowa as being any
worse than the other state colleges or Big 10 schools. The "problem" is
one that is being focused on simply because we're dwelling on it. Every
other college could be having this debate right now,
I think that if the Iowa City council raised the age to get into the bars
to 21, then there will be so many more problems with house partys. I
think at house partys people are more apt to binge drink than at the bars
because at house partys it is less of a restricted environment.
The problem is overblown. Concern should be for reducing problems that
have negative outcomes. True, a large percentage of the student
population drinks, sometimes heavily. However, few if any consequences
will come of this. We are punishing majority to protect the minority.
Overall, I do not think anything should be done. Students do need to
understand that they will be held responsible for their actions. Instead
of worring about the people who go and have fun should not be effected.
It is the people who act out when they are drunk. We should be worried
about sexual assults instead of how many drinks the "average" person
consumes. It seems to me that both sides of the issue have to take more
responsiblity. But, I also find it funny that the taxes earned by the
city (through the bars) go back to programs that try to ticket underage
drinkers.
The media needs to stop portraying drinking as a "cool" activity.
Actually, drinking should not be regarded as an activity at all. Underage
drinkers should have to suffer harsh consequences to deter them from
repeated behavior.
The main problems is the drinking age, if it were 18 then people could
drink more at their leisure. That way they wouldn't get "smashed" every
time they drink
Think of all the negative things that will happen if you act too quickly
and don't think about these things in the long run. By eliminating 18-20
year olds from the bars you are only asking for more trouble. Find
alternatives to drinking, and don't ruin it for those of us who are 21 and
can drink responsibly. Don't make us take out loans just so we can go to
the bars and have a few drinks.
Don't do anything to change the existing situation. College and drinking
has been a historical issue problem for how many years... the only people
who are looking to enact change dont go out and drink. Plus for all the
people who are over 21 (including mysel0 I do not want to see downtown
Iowa City turned into a permanent police state. many years.
Limiting access of underage people to enter bars will just increase the
amount of drinking in the dorms and apartment buildings, at least if they
are drinking at a bar, they can be monitered by the bar's staff.
Drinking is not something to proud of or should do regularly- Attheage
from 18 to 22 is just when you star~ doing that mostly because it is
something you are not supposed to do, and it is what happens at that age.
It isn't something that brings society down, it is just a coming of age
thing. Why do you think this is not a big deal in Europe? Like I said,
the only reason it is still 21 is because it generates profits for cities
and thus universities. University of iowa is the worst scare of all with
the drinking and parking situations this campus has!
I would just like to stress how the bar scence is the primary social scene
of Iowa City. Not everyone drinks when they go out. Making the bars 21
and older would result in a lower attendence of this university. Also,
don't the police have better things to worry about. They should be out
driving around in case someone is in need of help on their way home, like
rape. While canning, I observed the police for a night and noticed that
they don't do anything to those who are insanely drunk, climbing up lamp
post or falling over, instead they approach people who are in control of
themselves and have only had a few drinks. Maybe if the police wrote
tickets to those who don't know better, they would learn. Last thing,
I've heard a lot of comments (especially from Chicagoland students) that
would love a non-alc dance club. It's a piece of home we miss. Thanks
for this survey and good luck.
All options listed above to tighten down on underage people at bars
(scanners, wristbands, etc) will force them to house pa~ties. I agree
that something needs to be done, but this is not the answer. I say this a
person who is about to turn 21, who is not doing this in self intrest.
If it is harder for younger students to get into bars then they will goto
private parties where there are no police in close proximity and no
bouncers.
Better to have people drinking downtown than in the dorms or at house
parties. College-age students are going to drink and drink how they want
to.
I don't really like the idea of the bars going to 21.19 would be a good
age. but then it even if the bars are 21, that will not eliminate or detur
underage drinking.
I stress. NEED MORE THINGS TO DO OTHER THAN BARS! When I tell my friends
at home what life is like here the first thing I tell them is that there
are 52 bars within walking distance. Is that what the university wants to
be associated with?
No matter what anyone does-- college kids will binge drink not for any
reason except they think it's fun. Laws may make it harder for kids to
drink but they wiU find a way-- they always do.
Help students find direction and emphasize the importance of good grades.
More than some counselor helping people find classes, students need
motivation and direction. Instituting a big-brother/big-sister program is
one idea. It would allow more senior undergrads to meet incoming freshman
and give them advice on surviving at a large university. This suggestion
is not the same as what you would find in the very clandestine rituals of
the various Greek organizations on this campus. I was never a fraternity
member. I am suggestion that random people, Greek or not, have the chance
to meet incoming students, at a university organized event, that rewards
volunteers, or offers credit for their efforts. A semester hour or two
maybe? Having motivated students may somehow help fight the boredom that
you are calling hinge drinking.
I really love hanging out downtown, and since greek houses are alcohol
free, if downtown becomes 21 and older, there will be no where for us to
hold our sorority events. I think that this community needs to understand
that not all people who go to the bars drink. That is a very important
point.
I vehemently oppose the idea of restricting access to 21. The bars offer a
lot more than alcohol for many people. Especially those of us who like
live music. I wouldn't be able to see any of the local bands or have a
place to hang out with friends or meet people if I couldn't get into the
bars. Where could I play pool, or dance??? If this happened I might have
to resort to drinking for lack of alternative entertainment!! I also
think that the university should provide a safe-ride service which is more
comprehensive.
I think that lowering the drinking age wil be the only way to REALLY slow
underage hinge drinking. If the rush/fear of getting caught or breaking
the law is gone, it's really not as appealing. A lot of kids I know drink
because they feel like they're rebelling against something, and because
it's social and they feel grown up 'caus eit's this big forbidden thing..
.but that's probably not anything the City council can change huh? :o)
I think that binge drinking would not be such a problem if there was more
options that people would like and be interested in. For underage
drinking, I think it occurs because they cant have it. I dont think it
would be as big of a problem in the long run if the legal age was reduced
to 19 - and have all bars be age 19 and up for entering. I think people
would then also drink more responsibly.
i would really hate to see the bars go to 21 because not all people age
18-20 are causing the problems, so it would be ridiculous to punish
everyone and take out our social scene during the prime of our lives.
VVnen the city council passed the ordinance that police could issue noise
violations when there is not complaint, them most not have put much deep
thought into it. If someone wanted to complain they would call in a
complaint( they could even do it anonamously). In other words if it's not
broken don't fix it. If it isn't bothering someone then why is it a
social problem that needs to have an ordinance?
I do see an excess in drinking at the school, but i'm sure that there
isn't a major difference in drinking going from one major public
university to another. and remember one thing if people want to do
something bad enough, they will do it and get around rules one way or
another, raising the age limit into the bars only leads to more house
parties where drinking is cheaper and alot more dispersed throughout the
city. at least at the bars downtown you have mainly everyone in a
condensed area that you can keep track of them. which is definitely better
than going throughout town and students disturbing neighbors and such. not
to mention because house parties are cheaper then that will encourage and
incredibly larger amount of binge drinking.
Alcohol Free (underage) Dance Clubs would work so well in this community
because alot of the time people are looking for that social atmosphere and
a way to relieve stress. Dancing can do that. Plus, there isn't really
anything for people who don't drink to do late at night to have fun.
Please understand that the bars are a controlled environment. Their are
bouncers and bartenders everywhere. These bars are a much safer place to
be drinking at than any place else. If the bars go 21 than the parrying
will not stop, it will move even/where else in the city. To dorms,
apartments, and houses, Their will be more drunk driving cause kids don't
want to walk home from the party, and more property will be destroyed.
Making the bars 21 is the worst action that could be taken. The drinking
can't be stoped, no matter what is done. But at least at the bars it is
regulated better than anywhere else.
It seems like the University and the Community are working against the
expressed interests of the student body, causing bitter feelings between
the groups.
Students don't learn from preaching, they learn from experience. They
need to see others that have been hurt from this.
In my oppinion, enforcing stricter laws and punishments will not stop the
students at the University of Iowa from drinking. Possibly having more
activities to offer will change the binge drinking rate.
Drinking shouldn't be looked down at only for students, you have got to
think of the adults that come to Iowa City also, look at football Sat. and
such, what are you going to do about those individuals?
i would rather have all drunk people in I place, like downtown, where
there's enforcement if they get out of hand than on the road, walking a
couple miles to a party, or drinking in the dorms
Binge drinking is a problem all colleges face and the sad thing is, there
isn't too much that can be done about it. Coming from the stand point of
a 21 year old, drinking habits usually change when you become of age, I
know they did for me and my roomate. I very rady have more than 4 drinks
in a night. And not only that, most students over 21 ddnk a lot more
responsibly.
The drinking "problem" in Iowa City was created as a justification for the
extreme measures the city wants to take against the local bars, purely out
of a fictional need to have more control ofthe downtown area. The only
problems downtown at night are the police using the existing
alcohol-related laws, in ways never intended by thier writers, to arrest as
many people as possible.
This issue is about what is right and what is wrong. Unfortunately I feel
you do not have a right to tell us what is right in this situation. I
drink. I'm underage. So what? I drink responsibly. The drinking age is
a measure that was put in place to try to protect the children. It would
be more effective for the UISG to lobby congress to reduce the drinking
age to 18, when we are considered adults. From the 21 year olds I've
talked to, very few have continued to binge drink after they turned 21.
Binge drinking and drinking in general is a novelty for people who are
underage, so they drink as much as they can and more to be 'cool' by
breaking the rules.
I am frustrated that Iowa City members believe that rules and police
enforcement are going to make a difference. Why not encourage education,
other social activities, and sponsor a late night bus system. I have
visited plenty of colleges in my day and have seen the positive effects of
a late night bus system. If we are sick of drunk driving accidents,
wouldn't the answer be simple??? I vote for education, more social
non-alcoholic activities, and more of our tax money to public
transpodation. Oh, one more thing, perhaps cameras installed in the
police's car so that we don't have to spend so much of our tax money to
see what REALLY happened between a cop and a student
As long as people are not hurting others, why does this continue to be an
issue when other things are much more important? (ie parking, restoration
of buildings)
Just relax and let students be students. I think that by making the bars
21 and older will promote more house parties. These house parties are
more likely to be off campus and therefore more people will drive to them.
You can imagine the devastating results of mixing alcohol and driving.
With the bars being so near campus buses are available. Having the buses
be more available at late hours is you best bet at reducing the number of
drunk drivers and I believe this is the only action that needs to take
place to keep U of I students safer and still happy and able to have a
good
I think if the city restricts specials or the number of drinks a person
can buy at once, the students are going to be very upset and they will
revolt in ways that the city and the university do not want to see or have
people across the state/nation see.
Students are going to get drunk if they want to. The only thing that can
really be done is, making other activities for the students to padicipate
in and only hope that they do it.
If they decide to cut off students under the age of 21 to local bars then
their is going to be a lot of businesses shutting down. It is sad to say
that IC is built around drinking but if they cut off underage students
there will be a lot more places shutting down besides some bars. Imagine
all the underage drinking students who call to get late night munchies
what are going to happen to those businesses. So, if they go through with
this plan watch a lot of things bad happen to good ol IOWA CITY.
eliminating drink specials and making the bars 21 is not the answer, only
an easy, for the time being, fix.
Quite honestly a lot ofthis is the person, not just the community. A
person decides to drink, whether or not from peer pressure. I did not
drink until I was 21. I was in a sorority and parlied, but I was
responsible to know that I did not want the ticket or the side effects.
It takes a strong person to stand against what your friends are doing and
still be accepted.
I think the definition of hinge drinking is inaccurate. There is a
difference between someone having a few drinks to wind-down (which is a
different number for everyone) and drinking with the sole purpose to get
drunk. By your definition, I am a ,,binge drinker,°/co but I am also
extremely responsible when I drink. I think the people who act obnoxious
and out of control after drinking should be picked out and dealt with
accordingly. But for the rest of the majority who are visibly in control
should be looked at with the same adult-like respect that is demanded from
us everyday at the University.
The question is this: how to give the non-drinker U of Iowa student a
valid reason to say that they enjoy the campus life and not have the
anticipated connotation of "going out," short for "going out...to drink."
When students ask, "are you going out tonight?" and students respond,
"no," there is no inferiority to that response. There are things that go
on, I just find that the overall mindset is geared toward drinking.
have no solution, because alternative activities exist already. Thanks
for hearing my opinion.
If students want to drink they will find away to drink. Restrictions at
the bars will only cause underage students to engage in "binge drinking"
behind closed doors. Which could lead to a situation that would be worse.
A bar is more controled then for instance a house party.
Students go to college to branch out and leave the shelter of their
parents. While I understand the concern for underage drinking I do not
agree with the City or the University policing and parenting those who can
legally drink. This will push the social gatherings out of the bars and
into the private sector where more will be consumed and where underaged
drinkers will be welcomed with open arms.
Most college students have started drinking much before their freshman
year in college. They already have determined how they feel about
drinking. If the "problem" needs to be stopped, start with the children
who have not yet experienced alcohol yet. If the bars are forced to do
something stupid, drinking outside the bar will skyrocket. Since most of
the alcohol is purchased and consumed elsewhere, people will just come
into the bars blasted because they know that they wont drink there. I
know a lot of people who choose not to drink, yet i know a lot who do.
Change the younger childtens thinking and the problem will decrease very
quickly.
I think that it is important to remember a few things. First Iowa beer is
3-2 proof which means that it is half as strong as beer served in other
states (5-6 proof) So a person would have to drink twice as many beers in
Iowa to be binge drinking as they would in other states. Second a cup of
beer contains about a half a can of beer so two cups would equal one beer
and one drink, not two drinks. I do not think that you have taken this
into consideration when assesing binge drinking in Iowa. Also I would be
interested to see a study done on house parties vs. bars. VVhere are
people most likely to binge drink? Where are there more problems from
drinking?
Making all the bars 21 will not help the problem. Kids are going to drink
if they want to and most of them will want to. Education can help people
learn to drink responsibly, more options for social activity can decrease
the amount of drinking at bars on weekends. Restricting price specials
will help binge drinking, but none of these things will decrease underage
drinking significantly.
As long as the people drinking aren't hurting anybody else you shouldn't
really worry to much about it. If you were accepted into this school you
should have enough brains to take care of yourself. If you start picking
fights or groping someone then the police need to be brought in. If your
just enjoying a drink responsibly with your friends when your 19 it
shouldn't matter. People who drink too much are only hurting themselves
and it will eventually catch up to them. Don't ruin things for those who
drink responsibily by making them pay more to drink and don't waste
taxpayer money by putting more cops out there because for every one person
that acts irresponsibly and gets ticketed or sent to jail there are 20
others who are ticketed for enjoying a drink responsibly even if they are
under21.
Iowa City's economy is based upon the profits it makes through the bars.
For instance, look at Old Capital- it's going out of business. Take away
drinking privilages and the ability to enter these bars and Iowa City's
economy will be treaching in the downward direction.
relax
i've said all i have to say
I think the community should stop worrying about other people and find
something else to do. I grew up in a college town and there was no
complaining about underage and dangerous drinking. Why? because it
didn't affect the people who lived there, I don't believe this situation
is any different. Why does the city of Iowa City seem to care so much
about these "evils of sin" cornmired at U of Iowa? I also have a real
problem with law enforcement seeking out underage drinking. A person
should have to draw attention to him/herself to be arrested or fined, not
just be standing in the corner with an empty bottle in hand.
Please keep trying to come up with more ideas and activities for those
students that don't want to hang out at a bar every weekend. It wouldn't
be hard to beat a smokey bar, take an idea and go with it. You may be
surprised, and thank you- this was an excellent survey!
It's ridiculous of leaders to think they can control underage drinking.
Irs a part of growing up and I guarentee it took place 10,20,50 years
ago, Let it slide!!
Realize that this is not a HUGE problem. There are other dilemma's city
council, Public Safety, and UISG need to worry about. Understand that
kids will be kids, and that underage drinking will occur. Concern
yourself with bigger issues like parking. Make it easier for us to park.
Maybe then we won't drink as much.
Bring back "in Heaven there is no beer"
Bring up the fact that the city council this week turned down a request by
the RiverFest committee for funding.
NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING ON PLANS,
SPECIFICATIONS, FORM OF CONTRACT
AND ESTIMATED COST FOR
IOWA CITY TRANSIT INTERCHANGE
FACILITY PHASE II PROJECT
IN THE CITY OF IOWA CITY, IOWA
TO ALL TAXPAYERS OF THE CITY OF IOWA
CITY, IOWA, AND TO OTHER INTERESTED
PERSONS:
Public notice is hereby given that the City
Council of the City of Iowa City, Iowa, will conduct
a public hearing on plans, specifications, form of
contract and estimated cost for the construction
of the Iowa City Transit Interchange Facility
Phase II Project in said City at 7:00 p.m. on the
6th day of February, 2001, said meeting to be held
in the Council Chambers in the Civic Center in
said City, or if said meeting is cancelled, at the
next meeting of the City Council thereafter as
posted by the City Clerk.
Said plans, specifications, form of contract and
estimated cost are now on file in the office of the
City Clerk in the Civic Center in Iowa City, Iowa,
and may be inspected by any interested persons.
Any interested persons may appear at said
meeting of the City Council for the purpose of
making objections to and comments concerning
said plans, specifications, contract or the cost of
making said improvement.
This notice ks given by order of the City Council
of the City of Iowa City, Iowa and as provided by
law.
MARlAN K. KARR, CITY CLERK
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